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House Reaffirms ‘In God We Trust’

November 3, 2011 by  

House Reaffirms ‘In God We Trust’

Last December, Representative Randy Forbes (R-Va.) sent a letter to President Barack Obama correcting the President’s assertion that “E pluribus unum” — the Latin phrase meaning “from many, one” — was the national motto of the United States in a speech at the University of Indonesia in Jakarta, Indonesia.

A portion of the letter reads:

E pluribus unum is not our national motto. In 1956, Congress passed and President Eisenhower approved the law establishing ‘In God We Trust’ as the official national motto of the United States. This motto is also referenced in our national anthem and is engraved on our currency.”

The conflict encouraged Forbes to introduce a House bill that would reaffirm that “In God We Trust” is, indeed, the national motto. On Tuesday, the bill was approved 396-9, with two abstentions, according to The Associated Press.

Representative Jerold Nadler (D-N.Y.) called the bill a “distraction from the nation’s real problems,” but Forbes said the reaffirmation is a fight against a “growing and disturbing pattern of inaccuracy and omissions regarding the motto” and a protection to the country’s history. He said that the Capitol Visitor Center opened in 2008 was “sanitized of any reference to our nation’s motto” in a government effort to remove any mention of God from public domain.

According to The Hill, Obama ripped lawmakers later in the day for their decision to vote on the measure.

“That’s not putting people back to work,” Obama said during a speech about infrastructure. “I trust in God, but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people to work.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • FreedomFighter

    Some good people still in goverment, hope is rekindled.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Rusticus

      “e pluribus unum” is a meaningful statement that is unique to the United States. “In god we trust” is meaningless crap that can describe any group of superstitious fools from Saudi Arabia to any country dominated by ignorance.

      • http://yahoo Surveyor

        Move to Russia…

        • Robert Smith

          So much for diversity from Surveyor.

          BTW, was Jesus feeding many from a fish and a loaf socialism?

          Rob

          • Joe H.

            robbie,
            you forget, he did it WILLINGLY and he stole from NO ONE!!!! Go shuffle your acorns!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights. Enough with the lies! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Socialism only works till people run out of money.

          • cawmun cents

            In God We Trust…..all others must pay cash.

            If it had said that on our money,our nation wouldnt be in debt up to our necks.

            -CC.

        • Joe H.

          Surveyor,
          Better yet let him move to Greece!!!

      • Mustang Patti, AZ

        Rusticus, obviously you are an atheist. I will not dispute your right to be one, however, I would rather believe in God, which I do,
        than not believe in Him. When I die, if I find out I was wrong, at
        least I would not have lost anything. If correct in my belief, then
        I have everything. I have everlasting life and will be in the presence of my God.

        • Robert Smith

          How many jobs has your god created, Mustang? (Is that from the Mustang Ranch?)

          How many diseases has he cured?

          Rob

          • Joe H.

            robbie,
            Look to the Bible. He cured the leper, the cripple and many others. how many have YOU cured???

          • http://naver samurai

            He has done a lot more than your worthless backside. BTW, he’s also pro-life and not pro death like you.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQ0Cvthw-o

            “The United States Congress assembled…recommend this addition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States…a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”
            United States Congress 1782

            “By Law the United States Congress adds to U.S. coinage: In God We Trust.”
            United States Congress 1864

            They did the second one due to the overwhelming increase of Christians in our great country. This leaves your kind out there Rob.

            “And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust.’”
            U.S. National Anthem 4th verse.

            “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer (God) of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation.”
            SCOTUS case Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States 1892.

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Robert Smith, you sure seem to have a large piece of ignorance working for you. Oh and as to your comment to the lady about the Mustang Ranch, just because that was where your mother lived, had you
            [even though the father was unknown] is no reason for you think all women come from your place of birth! And it’s sure nice to know idiots like you will get to burn for a very long time!

          • Joe H.

            WWWHHHOOOOMMMPP!! Hey robbie I think I just detected a slap down!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob has left the building and is not returning anytime soon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “Rob has left the building and is not returning anytime soon.”

            I can understand how you would like to censor me. Facts appear to be so alien to you.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Only because you did so few postings, but I see you did your favorite tactic of posting when others have moved on. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Mushin

            OMG ROB, ARE YOU STILL COMING HERE WITH YOUR PINK ATTITUDE!? AHHHH!

        • theotherrhalf

          That bill WAS just a freaking waste of time. ONLY to serve the purpose of appearances for re-election. to make the Pubs look like they “have a heart”.

          Start thinking that “your god is bigger than their god” and you will become a fundamental extremist of any faith. Be ye Christian, Jew or Muslim or Yabadabadoo…I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes.

          • http://naver samurai

            It was to reaffirm that we are a Christian nation and our believe in our Christian founding principles. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Thetherhalfof, nothing is still nothing and you are a perfect example of it!! Were you always stupid or did you just slowly evolve in to it.

          • http://naver samurai

            “Doh!” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • M. Schwartz

          Of course you’ll be so dead that you will not see “god”.

          • http://naver samurai

            Another waste of space. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Mike

        Move TO Cuba ! ! ! !

        • Robert Smith

          Their health care is as good as ours is.

          They have about the same infant mortality and about the same life span as Americans.

          Rob

          • Hank, MO

            So, move. Bye.

          • Joe H.

            Hank, MO,
            Nah, he won’t move there, they don’t have oak trees and acorns!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Care to cite a source or is this just another unfounded lie? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • KUSA

            Trusting in man will burn. All what we cans see is changing. God never changes. In God We Trust!
            I moved from communism it is your turn, move to China.

          • http://naver samurai

            Weel said KUSA. Welcome to this great country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai wants a reference.

            For life expectancy and America and Cuba being about equal go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

            For infant mortality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks for the source Rob. I’ll look into it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            Actually robbie, if you read your own list, you will see that OVERALL we have the same life expectancy and in FEMALES at birth we have a slightly LONGER life expectancy.

      • deathtononbelievers

        if russia is not a good place for you, saudi arabia would be. although in saudi arabia you would be executed for making the post you made.

        • Jay

          Rusticus, was that a brain fart, or a bong moth? lol

      • http://naver samurai

        You seem to be the only one controlled by ignorance, atheist. If you don’t like it, then you won’t like this:

        http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/west-volusia/2011/10/18/deltona-city-commission-approves-spoken-prayer-to-start-meetings.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

          If you need the government to sanction your belief in God then you are like the man who built his house on the sand, and when the rains come and the winds pound, your house will crumble.

          As for Jesus, he never appealed to the authorities to sanction his faith. He already had the ultimate authority on his side. What need did he have for government sanction of his faith? Why should any person today who truly believes in the same God that Jesus put his faith in (and was depending upon your particular brand of theology) need any government to officially sanction that belief?

          You put your faith where you want to. I’ll put mine where I want to.

          Let’s keep the US government out of it. It can be a slippery slope when any government sanctions one form of religious belief or another.

          • http://naver samurai

            I understand what you are saying, but we were founded on Judeo-Christian principles. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from samurai: “I understand what you are saying, but we were founded on Judeo-Christian principles.”

            You seem to forget “We the PEOPLE.”

            That’s what we were founded upon.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Rob. We were founded a Christian nation. Have you forgotten that our laws are based on the 10 Commandments? We were not founded on your version of We The People. You don’t even know what that means. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai lies again. Let’s watch: “We were founded a Christian nation. Have you forgotten that our laws are based on the 10 Commandments? ”

            Really? The ten commandments says that Americans won’t have the government offering a religion?

            The Constitution says that kids gotta honor their mommy and daddy?

            The Constitution says we gotta worship only one god?

            BTW, killing, stealing, and the others that make common sense in a SOCIAL CONTRACT are in the defined paramaters of most religions and it is only conicidental that they have some overlap.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Same old refuted crap, eh Rob? Since you can’t prove what you say to be true, I have nothing to worry about. Go back and play with your very small acorns! BTW, aren’t you going to answer Ron Johnson’s replys to you or are you just going to bother me? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        Rausticus, you and Robert Smith seem to have the market swed up when it comes to ignorance

        • Ronald R. Johnson

          Rausticus, make that sewed up!

    • http://www,pappymart.com John Hanna

      True but I don’t like religions using the law either.
      Religions differ but all believe they are correct and some use the law to enforce their beliefs to varying and sometimes severe degrees.
      I believe in God too but even if I didn’t the motto is good.
      In my study of the constitution I found that ‘In God We Trust’ refers to the rights we possess, the freedoms.
      One thing that makes America great is that our freedoms are ‘God Given’ as opposed to ‘King Ordained’. ‘We The People’ don’t have to pay or ask any other man for our freedoms.
      Even if you don’t believe in God the difference between naturally inherent and royal assignment is obvious

      • Jana

        John Hanna,
        Great Post. Thank you for some great common sense.

      • JeffH

        John, I also agree.

      • Robert Smith

        John says: “In my study of the constitution I found that ‘In God We Trust’ refers to the rights we possess, the freedoms.”

        Sad. I guess “We the PEOPLE” doesn’t work for you.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          This coming from a man that had a child of his aborted before it was born? Here is something you should know.

          In God We Trust: The Motto
          One of the first found references of the motto “In God We Trust” is heard in the U.S. National Anthem, THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER. The song was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814 and later adopted as the national anthem. In the last stanza Key writes a variation of the phrase “…And this be our motto: In God is our trust. And the Star Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave, O’er that land of the free and the home of the brave.” The words were shortened to In God We Trust and first applied to U.S. coins in 1864.

          In God We Trust: The History
          The U.S. Department of Treasury states “the motto, IN GOD WE TRUST, was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, Urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Reverand M.R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania. As a result, Secretary Chase instructed James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, to prepare a motto, in a letter dated November 20, 1861:

          “Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except on the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins. You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition. It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States.”

          Pollock suggested “Our Trust Is In God,””Our God And Our Country,””God And Our Country,””God Our Trust.” Chase picked “In God We Trust” to be used on some of the government’s coins. The first time “In God We Trust” appeared on our coins was in 1864 on the new two cent coin, and by 1909 it was included on most the other coins. During the height of the Cold War, on July 11, 1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Public Law 140 making it mandatory that all coinage and paper currency display the motto.

          In God We Trust: The Foundation
          American history demonstrates repeatedly that the nation was founded on Christian principles and its founding fathers wished to acknowledge that fact all over Washington D.C. buildings, in official documents, and historical speeches. Less than a hundred years after its Declaration of Independence, In God We Trust was proclaimed on its coins. America is a free nation, and freedom of religion is still guaranteed in the Constitution’s First Amendment.

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Edward

            The motto “In God We Trust” was added to coinage in 1861, just in time for the Civil War. I am offended that the politicians of the time used God for propaganda and the hope that He would help them defeat the Confederacy just because His name was added to the coinage. President Eisenhower added “In God We Trust” to all coinage and paper currency in the 1950s. The Soviets were “Godless” so it was a propaganda stunt to differentiate the US from the Soviets. This current reaffirmation of the motto is just like the events of the 1860s and 1950s and contrary to Matthew 6:1. Perhaps behaving and thinking more like a Christian would be more effective than a motto written on money. The meaning and sincerity of our actions is far more important than empty words.
            When the Bible says “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” Why would we put God’s name on money and seek His approval?

          • http://naver samurai

            I understand what you are saying Edward, but we put it there to reaffirm our belief in God and our Christian founding. I hope you understand what I’m saying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Samurai, Well said. Thank you! After seeing what some of the idiots on here are saying I’m wondering how hell will have room for all of them!

          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from samurai: “This coming from a man that had a child of his aborted before it was born?”

            I never “had” anyone aborted. Such never has nor never will be my decision.

            It’s clear to me that you think so little of women that they can’t decide such things for themselves.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First Rob, you posted it and I’m reminding you of it. Second, abortion is not the subject, so knock off the nonsense. Just like a pop up target, you libs. You take a shot and knock them down, then they pop back up for more. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai lies again: “First Rob, you posted it and I’m reminding you of it.”

            Nope. Lots of threads are on record in this forum. I’ve suggested several times you prove your claim. You have not because I never posted any such thing. I’ve told you repeatedly I never posted any such thing, thus you are knowingly lying.

            Put up or shut up. Your swift boat lies don’t work on me.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Lie as much as you want, but we both know you posted it. You’re just pissed because someone remembered. No be quiet and go home. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from samurai. His claim is NOT proof. Without proof after being corrected samurai is lying.

            The old threads are available. Still he hasn’t produced anything.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            More condicending censorship from samurai: “No be quiet and go home.”

            What’s your game samurai? Are you trying to swift boat any opposition out with lies and demands that we leave?

            ROFL… Ain’t happened yet. Maybe you should pray. Oops, you said you and your wife have. Doesn’t seem to work samurai.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Another ignorant respose, but what did I expect? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        I like this better then “In God We Trust”

        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

        • http://naver samurai

          You know when they said “Blessings” there must be a blesser. Only God has the power to bless and not humans. This is a reference to the Declaration of Independence where it says our rights are “…endowed by their Creator…” This means blessed by God. Ergo, In God We Trust is the appropriate motto for this great nation. Don’t forget to take your meds. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Quit lying samurai: “You know when they said “Blessings” there must be a blesser. Only God has the power to bless and not humans.”

            I sneezed while I was putting gas in my car and the woman filling her car on the other side of the pump said, “Bless you.” She didn’t mention your brutal christian god at all.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            There we go with the name calling again, lying. Since you can’t show where I was lying, I shall not worry about your hatred towards anything Christian. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai, you said that if there are bessings there must be a god.

            I correctly pointed out that one can bless another (I’ve pointed this out several times before to you) withour your brutal god in the picture.

            Thus you KNOWINGLY made a claim about your god that isn’t true. Thus you lied.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            A human being does not have the ability to bless anyone. We can give permission, orders, etc., be to bless someone takes a higher power. It takes God to do that. You said you have pointed this out many times, so go ahead and tell us when this was. Post every single time you did this. I’ll bet it’ll be “0″. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Hank, MO

        At the moment, atheists are attempting to use the laws to enforce their non-beliefs– just as they did in the old communist Soviet Union.

    • mark

      Yes, what a tremendous hero this Randy Forbes is! With this valiant act alone, he surpasses Lincoln, Washington, Churchill, Patton, MacArthur, and Audie Murphy combined! He has restored America with his awe-inspiring courage. What a man! What courage! What a crock of sh%t!

      • JeffH

        mark, mark the Marxist speaks once again. You can always draw a line through the phrase on your own money if you don’t like it.

        Just the idea that this was a victory for people who care about this country and morality over those who don’t is galling to some of you liberals.

        The phrase was conceived by Salmon P. Chase, the U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln. Believing that no “nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins” wrote Chase in a letter to James Pollock, the Director of the Mint in Philadelphia. “In God We Trust” has appeared on U.S. coins since 1864 and on paper currency since 1957.

        In Zorach v. Clauson (1952), the Supreme Court has also held that the nation’s “institutions presuppose a Supreme Being” and that government recognition of God does not constitute the establishment of such a state church as the Constitution’s authors intended to prohibit. Constitutionalists object to sworn judiciaries employing historical context in what they believe ought to be a raw textual interpretation.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

        • mark

          The phrase has did not appear on all coins until 1938. And the law that it must be on all coins and currency went into effect in 1956 at the height of the Red Scare against those atheist Soviets. But since it is already in law why reaffirm it. Don’t they have anything else to do in Congress with their time but reaffirm already existing laws? Also if Salmon P. Chase, a Lincoln appointee, first introduced this phrasing on coinage shouldn’t the law be revoked on principle ALONE? After all, as everyone who reads this blog knows, Lincoln was the greatest tyrant in American History! His printing of paper money began the long downward slide that has now destroyed America! On this fact alone, I say we strike the phrase from all U.S. money. It’s the patriotic thing to do.

          • Gary

            There are already enough laws that are not enforced.
            Many need to be reaffirmed.

          • JeffH

            Marxist mark…I hope your not trying your luck at lawyering!
            Weak, weak, weak! Is your father named eddie by any chance? Just curious.

          • Joe H.

            mark,
            Id recommend they strike your brain, but with something that SMALL, that would take too much time away from congress!! Plus, they would have to find and identify it!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Mark you are a lying crock of s***! Read the post I’ve written above and have your little lib mind awakened. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            The 3 stooges are rather touchy about Marks remarks! Jeff should have made a rebuttal but instead made the usual cheap shot. What a hoot!

          • http://naver samurai

            And what are you ed-duh? I know. You must be bozo the clown, because your posts always sound like they have a circus mentality. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            That is utterly ignorant comming from you, who takes cheap shots at all, never substantuates any statement and basically has his head permantly planted so far up his wazoo that it would take a backpack nuke to extracate it!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Hey Jeff H, you can also look at this site:

          http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/in-god-we-trust/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • madog2

      The brainless attack dogs on the left have made big and stupid remarks about Repubicans making mistakes in speaches or comments but never have they mentioned all the childish uneducated statements the great pretender has made over and over. This man is totally ignorant of our history, our dreams, our religeons our needs, and our place in this world of uncertainty

  • Jan

    It’s about time we have reps that actually go with the majority, not the few that want to change US.

    • eddie47d

      Actually it was only a few who decided to put In God We Trust on our coinage. That took almost 100 years to accomplish and E Pluribus Unum was accepted as our original Motto before they changed it. Both are fine with me but it was placed on coins by a hand full of those pushing the red scare issue in 1956. There was no vote or popular consensus which only proves that anyone can have their agenda placed in public.Many individuals,politicians or groups push their agenda so is that right? I am only showing that it does happen and not crusading against it or our Motto.

      • Captain Mike

        oooooooooooooooooh, the Red Scare. What a bunch of dolts. Who could believe there are Communists and Marxists trying to infiltrate our political system and destroy our country.

      • Hank, MO

        Eddie, I keep seeing this “red scare” phrase as if it was such a silly thing to be afraid of world domination by the communists. The 38 million or so victims of Stalin probably would not think of it as a silly thing if they were still alive; the 70 million or so who were victims of Mao probably wouldn’t agree either. I remember the Cuban Crisis, and if you think people weren’t ‘red scared’ at that time (and for damned good reason), then you must be one naive little puppy. The ‘red scare’ was legitimate and cost this nation thousands of lives and billions of dollars to combat. It’s my opinion that you and your “comrades” should not pooh-pooh that threat for we have not likely seen the last of it. Such light treatment of such an extremely dangerous threat leads me to believe that those so treating it may be part of that threat, slyly and cunningly creeping toward my foxhole.

        • Joe H.

          Hank, MO,
          I think a few million cambodians and Vietnamese would agree with you!!!

        • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

          No one questions that a healthy fear of being ruled by communist nations is a good thing. We should all have a healthy concern about being ruled by a government that decides what is best for us and uses force to get its way.

          What was wrong with the red scare was the tendency for people to jump to conclusions and label people as “marxist” or “communist” without having any proof that such a thing was the case (hmm, like some comments here?).

          Democracy can’t function when people just scream derogatory terms at those who don’t agree with them, regardless of the issue, and how “right” each side is certain they are about it.

          Democracy functions when people truly listen to one another, respect one another, and treat each other as adults who have the right to chose their own path.

          And this includes the choice of whether or not to believe in God or not – this is a choice that is a fundamental human right.

          I’m pretty sure that derogatory language, name calling, and other tactics that attempt to belittle the other person are not going to be effective at convincing anyone that your “way of believing” is any better.

          “You will know them by their fruits”. Name calling, jumping to conclusions, and failing to be those basic respectful people our parents expected us to grow up to be – these all seem to be rotten fruits in my opinion.

          You want a strong country where freedom is cherished? Don’t look to the government – look to yourself. Act like a responsible adult and treat your fellow citizens with the respect and dignity that they deserve – regardless of whether they believe the same or differently than you.

          • http://naver samurai

            First, we are a republic and not a democracy. Second, read my post on November 4, 2011, 1:19am. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Warrior

    Boy oh boy does this get under “progressive’s” skin.

    • JeffH

      Hear Hear! :)

    • Robert Smith

      Used to be, “In god we trust, all others pay cash.”

      Now our cash is just about worthless and he hang on the brink according to many.

      I thinik it’s appropriate that so many scare mongers are worried about our cash and suggest we get gold.

      Really… How trustworthy does that make our money and your god?

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD, eh Rob? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      “Boy oh boy does this get under “progressive’s” skin.” better to be regressive in your mind

      • Joe H.

        SMsgtz,
        no just better NOT to be like you!

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    What is really concerning about this article is that our president didn’t know what the motto of our country was. Maybe it’s because he is not an American!

    • Jeryl

      Right. And I might add, that whether he was born here or not, he certainly is not an American in the true sense of the word.

      • eyeswideopen

        jeryl, could you please give us the standards or rules that make a true American? Maybe you should print the requirements, so that we can check and make sure that all you Conservatives meet the standards you expect everyone else to meet! Go ahead and print it, I can’t wait to see what they are.

        • Tim Halpin

          @ eyeswide open. An American is sombody who respects and upholds the laws of this country? Who builds this country up in the eyes of the rest of the world. Somebody who is willing to fight for his or her country. Somebody who respects our election laws. Somebody who is Proud to be an American, and supports the American way of life which is Capitalism, and a free market society.

          Tim Halpin
          Vietnam 67-68

          • Joe H.

            Tim Halpin,
            I’d say that puts the glow on it pretty well!!!
            Joe H.
            Red Knight Vihn Long 70-71!

          • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

            “An American is sombody who respects and upholds the laws of this country?”

            No, an American is one who respects and upholds the laws of this country when they truly serve the purpose of freedom and justice.

            A true American will stand up and fight against the laws of this country when they become unfair and unjust, or only serve the purpose of benefiting the lawmakers and those that fund their election campaigns and won’t just stand idly by out of “loyalty”.

            “Who builds this country up in the eyes of the rest of the world.”

            Yes, when the country or it’s representatives are acting justly and honorably. But when those that represent this country do things that are against human freedom and dignity, a true American will gladly denounce those actions even if some will claim they are being “un-American”.

            “Somebody who is willing to fight for his or her country.”

            You just again forgot to add ‘when the cause is just’. No one should blindly fight for this country without first asking some hard questions.

            “Somebody who respects our election laws.” …when they are fair and just. If what’s on the books isn’t fair and just do we just sit idly by?

            “Somebody who is Proud to be an American, and supports the American way of life which is Capitalism, and a free market society.”

            Somebody who is proud to be an American, and supports the American way of life which is liberty and justice for ALL and respects the United States Constitution. I sure hope Capitalism is not the defining element of the American way of life. Capitalism is a valuable tool, when it is used well within a free society, but when the rights of corporations (those with the Capital) becomes more important than the rights of individuals (those whom the Capital is meant to serve) then we have a problem.

            You need to read up on your history of how past American leaders (including said founding fathers) viewed with caution the forces of a free wheeling under regulated market. “Free markets” without proper restraints (regulations) will always lead to abuse by the few at the expense of the many and our forefathers knew this and took great pains to keep those forces at bay. Unfortunately, recent times have seen their fears start to become reality.

            We’d better fear free market wealth hoarders who own the government, just as much as we would fear communist or socialist dictators who rule with an iron fist, or theocratic rulers who do the same. All of the above will gladly trample or tamper with the Constitution in order to protect the status quo.

            True Americans had better wake up and stop all the infighting. We have to show the world that we are better than those who feign to be our “representatives”. When are we going to wake up and stop fighting each other and see who our true common enemy is?

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said, fellow patriot!

            Samurai
            Crusader platoon Afghanistan 2001 – 2002
            Dragonslayer platoon Iraq 2003 – 2004

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • JeffH

          That’s easy enough…just doing the opposite of liberals like yourself, eyes, would be a good start! :) :) :)

          • Jana

            amen!!! :)

          • http://naver samurai

            I second that Amen! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Gary

          Eyeswideopen…but still blind.

    • JUKEBOX

      I noticed that the Communist President was apoplectic that Congress wasted so much time on the frivilous “IN GOD WE TRUST” law, while not spending one minute on his world saving “JOBS BILL”. That should tell the world what his true feelings are.

      • eyeswideopen

        jukebox, WHERE ARE THE JOBS YOUR TEA PARTIERS PROMISED 10 MONTHS AGO? This action, just shows how your buddies waste time on a ridiculous effort, while not trying to solve our huge problems. What do you think that cost us for the day in salaries? What is next reaffirming that the flag is red, white and blue?

        • Tim Halpin

          @eyeswideopen. Nothing is going to happen till Obama and his regime are ousted. Republicans have sent several bills to the Senate but Harry Reid won’t bring any of them to the floor for discussion. Thanks to all the new rules and Obamacare and a radical left wing Democratic Senate nothing is going to happen
          We don’t have a do nothing congress, we have a do nothing Senate.

          • Tim Halpin

            Also, These new Republicans were elected because they said they would stop the over the top spending. Democrats lost by the biggest landslide in the country’s history, but you still didn[t learn anything. There will be no more big stimulus spending bills that only go to unions and cronys. There will be no tax increases as Democrats will just spend it on new government programs.

        • JeffH

          Gee eyes, in your own words, “GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT”!

          • Jana

            JeffH,
            We can all sure see how eyes stil believes in fiction. Better yet she thinks we will fall for the lies uhh I mean fiction she spouts.

        • daniel

          I would bet the cost in salaries was a lot less than the Solyndra debacle. I would also bet that it will be a lot cheaper than O’s other vote buying schemes.

        • JeffH

          Such the hypocrit. You talk of the government wasting time and money on something so frivilous(your opinion)…I have a few names to mention about that…Charlie Rangel, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds!

          Rangel violated numerous House rules and federal laws and his punishment was swift. He was censured by his peers.

          Let’s compare Rep. Rangel’s “punishment” to the Federal Government’s perjury cases brought by the United States Department of Justice against two former baseball players – Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.

          Bonds was indicted from testimony made 8 years ago and a case filed over 4 years ago – so much for the Sixth Amendment and a right to a speedy trial! Bonds perjury charges relate to the use of “the cream” and “the clear:, two chemicals which were not deemed controlled substances by the FDA and therefore not illegal at the time of Bonds purported usage, Bonds is actually being charged with lying about taking legal substances. What punishment does Bonds face if he is convicted or perjury? Thirty years in prison!

          Roger Clemens was indicted on August 19, 2010 on charges of perjury related to his statements that he never used performance-enhancing drugs. What punishment will Clemens face if convicted of perjury? Up to thirty years in prison and a $1.5 million fine, but most likely a 15 to 21 month sentence in federal prison.

          Charlie Rangel has lied to Congress and committed perjury, what consequences will he bear beyond the censure, reprimand or maybe even less than that – a mere slap on the wrist and a strongly worded “ don’t do it again” letter or speech from the floor? Meanwhile, two others who dared defend themselves and face the federal government’s unlimited budget and manpower at great personal financial cost (Rangel has the cojones to whine that he has been forced to spend money in his defense!) could go to jail for up to thirty years!

          FYI, the request that perjury charges be filed against Clemens and Bonds were bi-partisan. Talk of frivlous waste of money! Nuff said!

          • Gary

            The idea that congress would charge anyone with lying is the epitome of hypocricy.

        • Hank, MO

          It probably didn’t cost nearly as much as your comrades cost us by shutting down the port of Oakland last night and creating havoc in the streets of that city.

        • JUKEBOX

          It probably saved a couple hundred of million on some goofy program that studied the bathroom habits of Rhesus Monkeys in the jungles of Paraguay.

        • Joe H.

          eyes,
          Where are all those “shovel ready” jobs that obummer promised THREE YEARS ago?? My dog SAM has produced more shovel ready jobs than him!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Ha, ha, ha, ha! Very funny! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            They’re hiding in the deep crevices of Republicans posteriors searching for light of day Joe!

          • http://naver samurai

            Now that response could be called a cheap shot, now couldn’t it ed? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            samurai,
            like I said above, cheap shots and his head permanantly planted up his wazoo!!

        • http://naver samurai

          This effort shows our country reaffirming our beliefs in God and our Christian founding. If you don’t understand that, then you really are a moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Ted Crawford

          Eyes
          At least 18 jobs bills and several budget proposals are laying untouched on Harry Reids desk. The Progressives claim they will not create any jobs. If that were really the case wouldn’t it behove him to bring them to the floor, exposing their uselessness and soundly vote them down? Could it be that they, in fact, deal with our problems with our unemployment in a substantive, fiscally sound and sustainable manner? He certainly can’t allow anything like that to be brought to light, can he?

      • Robert Smith

        JUKEBOX says: “That should tell the world what his true feelings are.”

        Jobs are more important for Americas than your version of a brutal god being paid tribute to? I’ll go along with that.

        Rob

        • JUKEBOX

          You don’t realize that Barry’s real objective is “LESS JOBS”, not more. Oh, well, so much for the Dumb Masses who will vote the fraud back in office.

        • http://naver samurai

          Bzzzzz wrong answer! Didn’t anyone tell you that you need God and prayer for this country to succeed in its endeavors? No God, no jobs, and no country. Its that simple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Hank, MO

        That should also tell the world what they think of his “Jobs Bill”, too, Jukebox.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      And Cain thinks the Chinese may develop Nukes (first nuke test in 1967)

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    On July 30,1956 President Eisenhower signed HJ 396 into law making “In GOD We Trust” the official US motto.To me the time spent on the reaffirmation of the law was not in the best interest of the country and a waste of our money

    • Lastmanstanding

      and the time spent on barry’s health care plan wasn’t???

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Health Care reform has been an issue since President Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 campaigned for a health insurance industry.In 1946 the term “Socialized Medicine” was born when the AMA,the AHA, American Bar Association, Chamber of Commencer fought President Trumann reform effort.The Health Industry was lobbing to the tune of 380 million a month during the debate on health care reform.My final thought on that debate is time well spent.It’s to bad the single payer option was killed

        • TheBigG

          Sir, First, I must say, thank you for your service to this country.
          Then I might add to that, while you go to the local Vets Hospital for care would you consider it one that provides excellent services, or one of the many that just shines you on and gets you out the door as soon as possible ONCE you have seen a lead nurse or doctor.? I have issue with a national health care program for a few reasons: One, personal choice, I have to pay for something that I do not believe in, and will not use. I believe in alternative medicines, this cut, chop, and pray it works program is not in my best interest. Second, the government has had nothing but hit and miss at helping and tending to our vets over the last many many years with the veteran hospitals. Before I get on a soap box and really make a point of this, (if you have not already gotten one), I will say this, you put your life on the line for my freedom to choose what I want, and I should not have to pay for something that is not beneficial to me.
          Now on the original posting of the reaffirmation of the USA Motto, mabe we as a nation need to get back and shore up the basics before we can get a handle on the real issues facing this government, like over spending, and grandstanding. I say we vote all new blood in and get the slackers and the old timers who have lost track of WHY they are in office out of there. I find that sometimes a walk outside to get fresh air is good to reset the thoughts that we not coming the way you wanted them to.. maybe this is the type of “break” for a moment that congress needed to get their buts on track and start thinking of more than just themselves. It is evident they d**n sure do NOT think of the people who put them in office nor the people who still are paying taxes.

        • Joe H.

          SMSgtZ,
          If you think government run Healthcare is so good perhaps you should check into the scandle at Brecksville vets hospital near Cleveland Ohio a few years back. Short version, they had a quadraplegic in there that the nurses would bring in his food tray and just walk out. for a couple of days they scolded him for not eating!! Another vet in a wheelchair would come in after that and feed him, but was chased out after a few days. One of the local news networks came in and placed a camera innthe room to catch it going on. Imagine that, SCOLDING A QUADRAPLEGIC MAN FOR NOT FEEDING HIMSELF!! Fantastically inept healthcare is what it is!! I could go there to get my care but thanks but no thanks!!

      • JUKEBOX

        Don’t forget the Trillion Dollar Stimulus Bill.

    • Jeryl

      Why? I would think that rebuking a socialist president is definitely in the interests of the country.

    • firefight

      SMSgt Z, Stand down Sgt. This counterfeit leader presumes to speak for God now. He and his ilk have done everything they can to take God out of our halls of freedom and distribute his socialist vomit on our nation and you think correcting his spew is a waste of taxpayer money and time? Sgt., it has to start somewhere, sometime and whatever it costs and how much time it takes is part of the acceptable budget. No time spent on vigilance is ever wasted. Lt. O, 1968-69 Nam.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Lt. O, 1968-69 Nam (REMF)
        “He and his ilk have done everything they can to take God out of our halls of freedom and distribute his socialist vomit on our nation and you think correcting his spew is a waste of taxpayer money and time”
        What has anyone done to take God out of our country ?

        • Everyday Politics

          Whats a matter? Can’t you read?

        • JeffH

          It’s more like Obama and his minions are playing God themselves.

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            Some Representative spent time reaffirming a already existing law because obama believed “E pluribus unum” was the country motto Think that correct No were in this piece did it say obama was trying to remove God.So I can only believe you have trouble understanding what you read

          • JeffH

            sarge, not at all! I think you just didn’t understand what I wrote and you read…wouldn’t be the first time and won’t be the last time.

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            since HE uses the term so loosely, I kinda wonder if the good sarge was a REMF!!!

          • JeffH

            Joe H., you’re not the first person to raise that question about the sarge. :)

          • eddie47d

            You’re always up someones rear Joe!

          • http://naver samurai

            Voice of experience again ed-duh? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            samurai,
            eddie’s at least 65 years old(retired) and still has brown hair. Guess how he dyes it????

        • JUKEBOX

          Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and all of the Progressives wil bring GOD into the equation when it is propitious to do so, otherwise they put Him in one of their famous “LOCKBOXXES”.

          • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

            I’m just curious what sort of “God” is this that you believe in?

            The mere acts of men can “take God out of our halls of freedom” and put him in a “LOCKBOX”?

            Sounds like a “god” perhaps, but certainly not the “God” described in the Bible.

            This is why Jesus never requested or endorsed official sanction from the government. He believed in an all powerful God, and niether needed the actions of men to affirm that God’s power, nor feared their actions to hinder God.

            The arguments from within the Bible (and within Christian history) are much stronger against government sanctioning of any religious belief. The government of a nation of people consisting of both “believers” and “non-believers” should be neutral when it comes to belief in God. It should neither endorse nor disallow any individual from making a public expression of their belief or disbelief. If the government being neutral about belief in God (taking no stance for or against religious belief of any kind) somehow “removes God” or in any other way diminishes the power of this “God” in your life, perhaps one should ask what sort of “God” they have placed their faith in.

            I have no objection to people chosing to believe in God. But if you are going to bother believing in the God of the Bible, well then believe! I may chose to believe differently, but I will gladly challenge those who say they believe to consider a more robust belief in what they believe.

            Peace to all regardless of your belief, and here’s to hoping we can continue to respect one another while discussing this relevant topic.

            But let’s not lose too much time on it…while we’re distracted with this one important matter the country is being stolen right out from under our noses (and those who are doing the stealing are more than happy to see us asleep at the gate distracted with other things).

        • Ted Crawford

          Have you forgotten, or was it just not shown on the progressive networks, when the President, on National T.V. stated that “we are NOT a Christian nation”?

    • mark

      You’re cetainly right there. This is a total waste of taxpayer money and time. No wonder the Republican-dominated Congress has a 9% approval rating while President Obama who is doing a pretty mediocre job has a 45% approval rating.

      • Jana

        To give hope back to America is NEVER a waste! They were showing the world that we are still a Christian nation. Praise God.

      • http://naver samurai

        Congress has an approval rating this low due to the libs in office messing things up since 2007. Neeeeed to get you facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. Be careful as your stupid atheism is showing.

    • eyeswideopen

      HANDS CLAPPING!!!!!

    • Mustang Patti, AZ

      SMSgt Z retired Nam 68
      First, tho it has been quite a number of years, I do thank you for
      your service in Vietnam.
      You fought for we the people of this country along with the beliefs of
      many people and what this cuntry stands for. One of those was freedom
      of Religion. While Religion has nothing to do with the national motto
      “In God We Trust”. it does have a special meaning to a lot of people,
      I feel it was money and time well spent. There are numerous organizations in this country that are attempting to put God
      aside and are trying to force their beliefs on the rest of the nation,
      even though they are in the minority. since even our President was not
      aware of these words being our National Motto, it not only affirms to
      our President but also brings it to the mind of the people the very fact that WE TRUST IN GOD. Yes, we desperately need jobs, but as long
      as those who are now in Congress, it will never be done. They do not
      like our present President and will work any way they can to see that
      he does not succeed. In doing so, we, the people, are the losers.

      • Hank, MO

        We are NOT the losers, Patti. This man’s success diminishes this nation, and I believe that is his intent. Thus, anything the Congress can do to stymie his success is, by definition, profitable to the country.

    • http://naver samurai

      Actually it was Public Law 140. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    the only word oby knows is SPEND other people’s money. god bless rep. forbes

  • http://No Rajah

    “House reaffirms – In God we trust”

    If this statement is to mean anything at all then we need to ensure that we live our lives in conformity to Godly statuetes to the best of our ability. If we all practiced this ideal daily, the world would be a better place – try it and see for yourself.

    • jeanelane

      @Rajah – You are so right. But too bad, the word “God” means absolutely nothing to most people in this country, no matter what the motto is. They are their own ‘god’. And that is why . . . . .

      • Hank, MO

        Let me finish that sentence for you jeanelane: …and that is why the nation has the problems that it does.

      • Joe H.

        jeanelane,
        luckily, christians are still a majority in the US. Maybe not for long, but at this time!!

  • EARL KNUTSON

    Reaffirming this motto is critical at this time when there is such an amazing effort by ” Un Americans” to take the very basics away from us. God is not just a basic, but an absolute to our survival as Americans.
    GOD BLESS THE USA

    • Ellen

      Earl, I agree. Removing faith from our lives has not been a good strategy for our country. Obama blasted Republicans for this reaffirmation as if it was a partisan ploy, yet all but 9 representatves voted for it. That’s a bipartisan miracle. Instead of pointing out that reps do agree on some things, he criticized it. It is most likely because he considered this a slap in his face for his error. He can’t take criticism.

      • firefight

        Got that straight Ellen. This egotistical butthead does not like to be corrected or told anything that goes against his socialist,marxist, communist philosophy.

      • JUKEBOX

        Obama’s GODS are Karl Marx, Lenin, Alinsky, Big Government, and his personal wealth.

      • Karolyn

        Are you kidding? The vote was totally political. Don’t you think that no matter where they stand, the congressmen aren’t going to worry about an issue like this? They had to vote for it or be labeed un-American, Godless, atheist or whatever. they had to follow the herd no matter what their true feelings.

        • JUKEBOX

          This was a totally “BI-PARTISAN” vote, and that’s what the man/child has been begging for. Now that he got what he wanted, he complains. Can you spell “DUPLICITOUS”?

        • http://naver samurai

          How do you figure it was political when many libs voted in favor of it also? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Duh, they are ALL politicians, samurai, and ALL want to make points with their constituents.

          • http://naver samurai

            You could be right Karolyn, but I think their voters will know who is truthful and who is not. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        Also, Ellen. Wouild you please tell me how anybody can remove faith from your life? Either you have it or you don’t, and no matter what mottos, signs, prayers are or are not used, that’s how it is.

        • http://naver samurai

          This is easy. You have faith removed from your life by not believing in the thing or person you have faith in. Just look at all the weinner atheists on this site. They were probably Christians before, but look at them now. Enough said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            I repeat, that is up to the individual, and nobody can TAKE somebody’s faith from them.

          • http://naver samurai

            Tell that to anyone that lived under Hitler, Stalin, or Mao. I’ll bet you’ll get a different answer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Hank, MO

        Good point, Ellen. It makes you wonder how many atheists were in that group and how many of them voted FOR this re-affirmation, doesn’t it? What would you call a representative who doesn’t believe in God but who voted for the motto, “In God We Trust”?

    • Jeryl

      Absolutely right!

    • mark

      What a crock of patriotic pablum. As if this nonsense will do anything to solve our problems. And oh yes we have to watch out for those evil UnAmericans. Make yourself at home, Mr. McCarthy. Welcome to the New Amerika.

      • jeanelane

        Mark, you are right. This will not solve our problems. The only thing that WILL solve our problems is the acknowledgement of GOD as GOD. We have each gone our own way and created ourselves as god. But saying outright lies, like Obama has, needs to be brought attention to.

        • mark

          OK but there is not a human being alive nor one who has ever lived who has not at sometime in their life told outright lies. Actually I stand corrected there was one. His name was Jesus Christ. Everyone else has been a liar and a sinnner at some time in their lives. I know I have certainly been both. If you think you will ever have a President of the United States or any political leader who will not sometime of his career tell a lie you are living in a fantasy world. Human beings lie, cheat, steal, sin, and fornicate. And all politicians are human beings. In fact as Will Rogers once said when asked if politicians were liars, thieves, tax cheats, skirt chasers, crooks, and rascals. He said: “Yes, and they represent a good cross section of the electorate.” In that answer Rogers summed up the state of humanity. It has never changed and never will change no matter how many sermons, masses, and morality campaigns are held across the world. Man is fallen and this is his predicament. We can certainly try to improve and most of us do. But history has shown that leaders are fallible human beings. Were the fantasy Weapons of Mass Destruction an outright lie by President Bush that cost the lives of 5000 Americans and 200,000 Iraqis in the Iraq War? Probably or maybe they were a failure of intelligence. To the 205,000 dead and their families, I doubt that it matters either way.

          • Tim Halpin

            @Mark At the end of the first gulf war Sadam (Can’t spell his last name and don’t feel like looking it up) Gassed the Kurds killing whole villages. Gas is a weapon of mass destruction. He had gas at one time. It might still be there some place. We just didn’t find it.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bush, baaaaa! Iraq, baaaaa! WMD’s, baaaaa! Atheist rhetoric, lies, and innuendo, baaaaa! Can’t you people come up with some new material? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • eyeswideopen

          jeanelane, just who has been saying that we don’t believe in GOD?

          What movement is underfoot that is trying to do away with our motto?

          Show me anything, anywhere that would indicate that we needed to take the time and money to reaffirm that In God we Trust was in jeopardy of falling by the wayside?

          • Tim Halpin

            @eyeswideopen Probably the worst is the ACLU

          • eddie47d

            The ACLU only wants the separation of church and state. To keep the government from rendering religious decrees on the public.

          • Hank, MO

            @eyeswideopen– probably the BEST one is the fact that your president didn’t even know that it IS the nation’s motto!! If that’s not “falling by the wayside”, I can’t imagine how you might define it.

          • JUKEBOX

            Have you ever heard of REVEREND BARRY LYNN?

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Is that why they are assisting a muslim group in sueing a Catholic PRIVATE college that recieves no federal funding to remove their crusifixes from their rooms and hallways as it offende the muslims, who BTW don’t even have to be allowed to attend according to FEDERAL LAW??? show me where the separation of church and state is situated in THAT situation!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong answer ed-duh! You show me where it mentions seperation of church and state anywhere in the Constitution. I won’t hold my breath as it is not there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Where did I say it was in the Constitution? Nice try Samurai

          • http://naver samurai

            I understand what you said ed, but the atheist, communis, looney liberal disunion believes in the destruction of Christianity. You can google about their founder, an admitted communist and atheist, about what his goals were for the aclu. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            What, eddie, no answer to mine?? BTW, how about you answer the question as asked instead of beating the heck out of the bush before hand!!

      • Tim Halpin

        @ Mark. Our laws are founded on the 10 commandments, which still hang high in the Supreme court. Probably the only place left.

    • Reality

      Yes, acting like a 5-year-old child to reaffirm something that has only been around for 55 years and goes against the founding fathers of our country was a great use of Congress’ time.
      Our original motto was “E pluribus unum”, and “In god we trust” was only put in place, because of the fear of commies. Yes, let’s continue to go backwards and live continuously in fear of people with different beliefs. Sounds great.

      • Opal the Gem

        I thought obama was acting more like a 3 year old when he pitched his hissy fit.

      • http://naver samurai

        Read my post on November 4, 2011, 1:19am. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Dave

    As in sports when things are headed down-hill, it’s time to get back to basics. Re-affirming our national motto for the likes of Obama is critical, to show that we haven’t forgotten that we DO trust in Jesus Christ, that he and his word are the reason and the foundation of our country and our way of life and that from this foundation is our exceptionalism both in our founding documents and in our Hope and Change. That Hope is in Him and that Change comes from what he has done and will do for all who put their trust in Him.

    • jeanelane

      Sorry Dave. Our motto says nothing about Jesus Christ. Most everything else you have written is oh so true. But Jesus Christ and U.S.A.? No.

      • SHAWN T. CARSON

        You are so right. The motto IN GOD WE TRUST could equally apply to Muslims as well as Satanists: there is no inference to Christ at all. Ask any Muslim if they trust their God: they will reply in the affirmative. Ask the same of a Satanist of their God Lucifer and they too will reply in the affirmative. So is that enough to affirm a belief in God? Not really since I am sure most on the planet believe in some form of god/deity. Perhaps they should have made the ultimate declaration… IN CHRIST WE TRUST or some such motto. Cause the IN GOD WE TRUST is just too darned generic and falls far short of what we really mean; which is that our faith in Christ Jesus is what we place our eternal trust in. Why could they not have affirmed that?

        • Jana

          Good point!

        • Karolyn

          Are you serious? That would be a blatant slap in the face to all non-Christians, who do, by the way, make up a sizeable portion of our population.

          • SHAWN T. CARSON

            “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” President John Adams.
            Adams was no fool as evidenced by this quotation: I happen to agree with his sentiment The Constitution was designed to fit a particular body of men and women: people who escaped the oppression and corruption of the Old World to setup a new form of government never before seen upon the earth in two millenia. That government, guided by those principles, has worked very well for over two hundred years: until moral and spiritual decay has resulted in a country that has to a very great degree, turned its back on God and what the founders truly believed and practiced.

          • http://naver samurai

            The majority of Americans are Christians. You lose on that one. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Sheldon

            @Shawn… you don’t need to believe in God to be a moral person.

          • http://naver samurai

            Ah yes, another atheist waste of space. Where do you think this country gets its morals, ethics, and freedoms from? You have to look no farther than the Bible, God, and Jesus. Remember, a person cannot do anything really good or moral without the spirit of God leading them, Kang. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the Trinity. If you have one, you have them all. Jesus and the U.S.A.? Of course the two are together. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://www.twitter.com/troop1028 MEarthcaller

    Too bad they cant pass other measures just as quickly! Tell that Democrat to shut up and sit down. SOunds like he voted yes anyhow, then turns around and talks about the more pressing issues, well you cronies been working on that and havent come up with jack squat! so shut up!

  • Lastmanstanding

    i’m very happy to hear that something pissed barry off! the pos is the biggest loser ever voted in office in the us…hopefully he’ll end up in prison with that pos corzine.

    • Fred

      Hurray! Even in a recession the problems of the country are not so much economic as they are moral and spiritual!

    • JUKEBOX

      Don’t forget the perjurious Attorney General Holder. Many of Nixon’s men went

    • SHAWN T. CARSON

      Maybe the paddy wagon…OR…maybe not!

      As I was out for my daily walk on this beautiful autumn day, I began to ponder the state of affairs
      and just what the president… Mr. Obama might now be thinking? The jig, as it were, is just about up and Veteran’s Day “draweth nigh”. That’s THE day when Vets and indeed many angry Americans will be marching on Washington to display their extreme anger and disgust of government in general and of the president in particular. Make no mistake… Obama knows it and I am sure that because of it, he is a very desperate man. History teaches that desperation can indeed make mortal men do desperate things. And such a time is now at hand.

      If you were Obama and you knew “the jig was up” and that the paddy wagon might soon be coming for you and your cronies, would you not be thinking as to how you might avert this eventuality and perhaps, how to avoid it altogether? What IF? What if some great and catastrophic event were to occur? Something along the lines of 9/11 in magnitude…maybe even bigger. Some event that would allow you to seize absolute control and to declare a state of martial law: whereupon you would in effect, assume dictatorial powers and suspend habeas corpus, the rule of law and all personal freedoms. Including the right to criticize the government. Indeed, such criticism might be construed by “government” as a treasonable act in and of itself. Certainly this would at least for a time, postpone the arrival of the paddy wagon, for you and your cronies. A partial reprieve from the inevitable and one last chance to hold onto the reigns of power… at whatever the cost. And make no mistake; the cost would be… could be, very high indeed. But what if… ?

      • Hank, MO

        @SHAWN– It might delay the arrival of the paddy wagon, Shawn, but it would assure the arrival of the firing squad!

  • Alex

    This despite the GOP’s pledge to halt the practice of “symbolic” votes—heck, they even turned down a proclamation honoring the Squeal Team Six for getting Osama bin Laden—”Goes against our pledge”, they cried!
    Yes, America, the GOP that promised to get to work creating jobs rather than taking up Congressional time on non-legislative, honorary motions lied again.

    • Jeryl

      I guess that means they’re getting more like those socialist democrats every day, huh?

    • Hank, MO

      Alex, I have to believe that you didn’t misspell “seal” by mistake. Anyone who would so denigrate the men who put their lives very much at risk for this country does not deserve any credence be placed upon his words for you are as dishonorable as your comment.

      • Joe H.

        Hank, MO,
        Get used to it my friend, alex is obummers little bullyboy here! He is always downgrading the vets and active duty folks here. Perhaps it’s the little green animal rearing his head because HE doesn’t have the stones to serve himself!!!

    • http://naver samurai

      I see we are drunk on the kool aid and our little lib mind is experiencing a large buzz by now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Sue

    Everyone should praise God and put their faith and hope in Him. Believe upon the Lord and He will turn this country around. Man cannot do it. Man will destroy himself.

  • Ronald W. Sprague

    Stop putting our trust in a government(and central bank), that has botched up our lives so bad that I wonder why we trust them even a little bit.
    ‘With GOD all things are possible’, it is never a waste of time to spend on passing a bill to remember where our true rights (and prosperity and LOVE) are comming from, or to take some of our valuable time to give thanks to our loving Creator.

  • Jay Hoglund

    It is interesting that our nation’s motto “In God We Trust” was omitted from the new George Washington dollar coin that government is currently minting. We all should protest this omission by not accepting the coins…..ask for paper dollars instead.

    • jeanelane

      @Jay Hoglund – You are so wrong. This misinformation has been going around the internet for a long time. Look it up. Check it out. Have you seen a dollar coin and actually examined it? I understand that the motto is on the edge. I have not actually seen a dollar coin. They are not in wide circulation and I don’t make many purchases with cash. Maybe I’ll ask the bank for one the next time I go.

      • Joe H.

        jeanelane,
        I collect coins and the motto is, indeed on the edge!! They were gonna take it off and such a stink was raised they left it on.

        • Joe H.

          I also forgot to add that there were a few hundred that were mis-stamped that didn’t have it BY MISTAKE!!

    • mark

      I don’t want to live in a theocracy. Eliminate all references to God and religion in all publically funded endeavors. Everyone can and should worship as they please; this is a private choice. But don’t get the government involved in it. “In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash,” might be a better motto. A whole lot closer to the truth.

      • Hank, MO

        You have a choice as to where you live, Mark, but in this country, we choose “In God We Trust” as the nation’s motto. Live with it or not– we don’t care about where you live.

        • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

          That’s the “True American” spirit there…believe as I do, otherwise go live somewhere else…

          (that was sarcasm, just for the record)

          I really think it is wonderful to see the various affirmations of faith that some here have expressed. This, to me is part of the beauty of living in a free country. You get to experience the deep devotion that different people have to different causes and ideas. And that was NOT sarcasm, but a sincere expression of my appreciation for the freedom of religious expression in it’s many forms that we have the priveledge to enjoy in this country.

          The right of public individual religious expression, and the right to abstain from any type of religious expression are both of equal weight in this country.

          What purpose does it serve to belittle the “other guy”, that is the one who believes differently than us?

          Was this the way of Christ?

          Did he preach to His followers “Belittle those that believe not as you do”?

          But the sentiment expressed in suggesting that someone should leave the country if they don’t have the same religious beliefs as you?

          Perhaps it was intended as a “joke” but it hardly seems like a respectful way to treat a fellow American, regardless of how deeply you may differ on your religious beliefs or opionions about this topic.

          So let me ask you, can you have a conversation with someone of differing beliefs or opinions and still treat them with dignity and respect?

          To me, the ability to do just that, to respect and live at peace with those who believe differently than you, is at the heart of what being American is all about.

          There is nothing I find more distasteful and un-American than the suggestion that someone who believes differently than I do, has any less right to live in this great country.

          We may have differing beliefs, but we should be standing shoulder to shoulder when it comes to defending each others rights to freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

          Why would we want it any other way? Do we want people to freely chose their belief? Or have belief imposed on them?

          “Let those who thirst come” seems like an invitation, not an order.

          Where in the Bible does Jesus ever call on the government or current authorities to sanction his belief in God? He lived in a climate that was highly hostile to his teachings, under religious and government authority that opposed him, and yet, he was one of the most highly successful preachers of all time (some might say the most succesfull but who am I to make that call, to each his own).

          I fail to see how official sanction of belief in God by the government makes that belief any more powerful for those that choose to believe.

          Who do you put your faith in? Ceasar? Or God?

      • http://naver samurai

        That phrase has been used by different posters on this site. They must be viewing the same lib websites. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68
  • http://monroeriddle@gmail.com Monroe Riddle

    God bless rep Forbes Monroe Riddle

  • EdinNola

    Jerold Nadler: The number ONE problem in this country is absolutely reflected in this argument. The problem we face is a continued growth of Communist influence in our government and the country generally. Communists and their fellow travelers still number less that 30% of the nation, so I hope and pray that this influence is severely reduced at the next election, and effectively Communists / Progressives driven from this country.

    • Tim Halpin

      Ditto

    • eddie47d

      More like one tenth of one %.

    • JUKEBOX

      I thought Nadler, AKA the MICHELIN MAN, claimed to be a Jew, and I thought Jews believed in God. Is Jerry another one of those duplicitous Democrats?

  • Jim

    Only problem with this motion is that the very ones in Washington who voted for it are not following it. If they trusted in GOD, then they would not be allowing abortion, homosexuality, greed, and all the rest of the stuff that is tearing our country apart to happen. The worst problem in this country is exactly that there is no fear of GOD anymore. If my people will turn from their evil and repent and call on my name then I will hear and heal their land. That is what GOD tells us to do. America, if we do not repent of our evil ways and continue along like we are then we will be judged by GOD. All of us sinners in this country need to understand that this is the only way that our country will survive. This is what every church in the land should be screaming as loud as they can. Our President should be saying this, other Presidents in the past called for a National Day of Prayer to seek out GOD’s will when the country was in peril.

    • jeanelane

      You are so right. But too bad, the word “God” means absolutely nothing to most people in this country, no matter what the motto is. They are their own ‘god’. And that is why . . . . .

  • mark

    These are all nonsense votes, like the ban on flag burning, making the pledge of allegiance mandatory. What nonsense when our country has real problems. It gives more support to Samuel Johnson’s assertion that “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” Next they’ll pass a resolution on Mom and Apple Pie as central to American culture and then pat themselves on the back for their tremendous leglislative courage. No wonder Congress’ appoval rating is 9%.

    • Jerry M

      Our country was built on the idea of Belief in God so why are so against it. Could it be, you don’t?

    • http://Personalliberty LJ Cap

      @Mark, you seem misguided, The loss of what our founding fathers intended by building a country based on the acknowledgement of God is in a large part what is bringing our country down. This is a manuver tried many times over by Progressive Socialist/Marxist in the slow erosion of morals and values of a country. We have had this happening in an aggressive push from the 60′s, infiltration of schools, the E PA regulations, entitlements & government controlls.. These stem from an acceptance of the removal of God as standard. We are a Country of many religions and many understandings of their “God” …. Keep this and we will not become an Iran take it away and we will. As you, maybe are aware of the infiltration of radical Islam & Shuria is here, we are living with judges ruling in our USA that Shuria is acceptable on our soil..we are at a tipping point that you welcome??

      • mark

        You’ve got a problem with your historical analysis here. In God We Trust was never used in the United States from 1776 until 1956 when Eisenhower and the Congress caught up in the fear and paranoia of the Cold War against “godless” Communism passed this ridiculous motto. So if God was so central to our republic why was this phrase NOT on our currency for the FIRST ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY YEARS of our nation? This was also true with the phrase “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance. This phrase was not in the original pledge written in 1892 but was only added in 1954 during the height of Cold War paranoia against the atheist Soviets.

        • http://Personalliberty LJ Cap

          @Mark, I didn’t feel it was necessary and had a suspicion you’d interject..a history lesson. I understand your reasoning in regard to “In God We Trust” I just find your reasoning to not be benificial at this time for Our nation founded as “One Nation Under God” a quote from Abraham Lincoln. Here In its entirety: “we have been the the recipients of the choicest bounties of heaven” To be born in a land of freedom, to live in a nation founded as “Ine Nation Under God” by those who hold the one true God of the Bible, is both a tremendous privilege and a great responsibility. As I said in an earlier post & you chose to ignor to make a point I was already aware of..Our reality Now is that the Morality & Values of our Country have been and are being compromised, by the Progressive Lefts agenda of the 60′s the systematic dismantling of our rights and freedoms is in high gear…Obama and his Marxist cronies and their lies and double speak to

          • http://Personalliberty LJ Cap

            Double speak to turn our country into a Godless immoral society run by repression guised under the banner of entitlements, Social Justice, welfare and that we just don’t know, they’re all knowing… Is that why sharia is allowed by some Judges here on USA soil… My take it that you’re a Progressive Liberal & if so end of discussion..

          • eddie47d

            One thing Mark got right is that Conservatives are pushing fear and paranoia to achieve their agenda just like they did back in the 50′s. I just wish that Congress and private enterprise would get the ball rolling on jobs. Knock Knock is anybody home?

          • Jay

            Eddie, i would change the label “Conservatives” to just plain politicians, or mongrels. Today’s so-called Conservatives don’t deserve that label!

            Mongrel: a dog of no definable type or breed.

          • Joe H.

            LJ cap,
            Very good post!!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Bzzzzz wrong answer! It was put onto U.S. coinage starting in 1864. Look it up! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Tim Halpin

      @ Mark. It’s people who think like you that are the cause of all thois country’s problems.

      • Karolyn

        You have got to be kidding!

        • bob wire

          Seems the cat’s is calling the kettle black Karolyn.

          What is killing us, is people that have a head full of notions and feeling that was placed there years ago ~ and they haven’t clean house since.

          Life magazine and a TV guide with Tiny Tim’s picture on the front as still on the coffee table.

          • Hank, MO

            Well, Bob, at least an image of the hammer and sickle isn’t there… yet.

          • Joe H.

            bob wire,
            On YOUR table is a copy of Mad magazine with a picture of Alfred E. Newman on the cover saying “What, Me worry???

  • Jerry M

    Make sure the ones who voted against it won’t still be in office after 2012.

    • mark

      I feel the opposite, vote against everyone who wants to turn this country into a theocracy like Iran.

      • Opal the Gem

        mark are you as stupid as you are dense? The government acknowledging the existance of God is in no way, form, or fashion an attempt to turn the US into a theocracy. When the government passes a law favoring a specific religion at the expense of all other religions then you have the beginings of a theocracy. I know of no religion as commonaly defined that does not recognize a supreme being (God).

        • mark

          Well many members of the Christian Right want to make Christianity the official religion of the United States. I am a Christian, a Catholic actually, and I want my governmnet to stay out of all religious issues, to remain religiously neutral, while granting me and my neighbors the the freedom to practice all of our various religions as we see fit. I also think that given its history, our country trusts more in gold than in God so the phrase seems hypocritical to me.

          • JUKEBOX

            You need to be criticizing OBAMA for nearly swallowing his tongue, he was stuttering so bad, when he said “GOD IS FOR HIS JOB PLAN”. That is speaking with a forked Kenyan tongue.

  • Rachelrao

    Obama thinks that he can change, reverse, destroy America’s very principles and foundations for his pure “nonsense”. Do the minnions who follow him know that his “help” for tuition is just $10(?); do they know that the housing help is really “no-help_….. when is this child going to grow up? Or is he a as “chaloo” as Scotland says (sneaky). We all know that God is not a word Obama wants to think about, but whether he likes it or not God has given him the good fortune he enjoys and he should be on bended knee (not prostrate)for this. His KARMA is not going to be pretty. I am glad that the Republicans thought “In God We Trust” had priority. Thank you Republicans.

    • mark

      Yes what a courageous bunch they are taking this valiant vote. What strength! What courage! What a crock!

      • isBubba

        Yes, what a crock of Mark.

      • http://naver samurai

        What a moron strung out on lib crack. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • MGySgt USMC Viet Vet

    Raised a Christian but realize there is not an atheist in a foxhole, we all pray to our God whom ever or what ever our GOD may be to make things right. But in my upbringing I was told God helps those who help themselves and to have a politician tells me he is speaking in GOD’s name means grab your 782 gear, dig your foxhole and prepare for battle.
    Belittle my God, our Constitution and our Oath of office offends me GREATLY.

    • http://Personalliberty LJ Cap

      @MGY Sgt USMC Viet Vet,,Bless you and thank you for your service..

    • JeffH

      MGySgt USMC Viet Vet, you have obviously taken your oath seriously. Thank you for your service. Are you familiar with The Oathkeepers?

      Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

      Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
      http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

    • Joe H.

      MGySgt USMC VIET VET,
      god bless and welcome home brother!!!

  • Mirage

    SHOULDN’T THE RIGHT BE CONCENTRATING ON CREATING JOBS? WASN’T JOB CREATION WHAT THEY RAN ON IN NOVEMBER ’10?

    VERSUS FOCUSING ALL THEIR ATTENTION ON DEFEATING ABORTION, “IN GOD WE TRUST” ISSUES, AND STONE WALLING THE PRESIDENT ON ALL ISSUES?
    THE RIGHT IN POLITICS ARE TACKLING ALL ISSUES BUT JOB CREATION.

    HYPOCRATS.

    • JeffH

      WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

    • isBubba

      Obama is a liar. He is not a Christian. There is no denying his actions and words. Whoever still thinks he is Christian after all the evil he has loosed upon this country, has their head in the sand, plain and simple.

      As far as the Capitol Visitor Center goes, everyone who visits it should bring some very sticky stickers with them with the words “In God We Trust” printed or written on them. Clandestinely stick them anywhere and everywhere you can. That will put the Anti-God crowd in government in their place.

      Without God’s aid, this country would never exist. Without His help, it will never recover from the likes of Obama and his headless henchmen like “Mirage.” Mirage is an untruth…it is not real. God is Truth…He is the author of all that is real.

    • isBubba

      @mirage – “HYPOCRATS”…exactly! Why didn’t I think of that one! :)

      I think you meant to say “hypocrites,” but it was just as hilarious as the rest of your comments.

      (or should I say “Hillary-us”)

    • Hank, MO

      It will HAVE to be the right that concentrates on jobs if it gets done. Obviously, the leftists can’t and won’t do it. If they were really interested in jobs, Reid and his leftist buddies might try passing at least one of the SIXTEEN jobs bills passed by the right in the House of Reps. during the past year since Nancy Pelosi had the gavel jerked from her hand.

    • Joe H.

      Mirage,
      Then why didn’t obummer concentrate on jobs, jobs, and jobs instead of obummer care??? Oh, that’s right, he didn’t want to and you can’t make him. NYA NYA!!

      • http://naver samurai

        True that! True that! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • pacman

    What happened to the job creation that the new congress ran on in the last election??? Instead we get the Cantor and Boehner stalling with congressional agenda’s on reaffirming in god we trust and other non-critical agenda items!! What a con by the CONS!! Keep up the good work and the people will reaffirm their approval rating in the next election!!

    • isBubba

      @Pacman – Cantor and Boehner have plenty of time to do important things like re-affirm God because they already passed a slew of job-creation bills that the impotent Reid-run Senate refuses or is afraid to even take a vote on.

      You saviour, Obutthead, and his Senate crony-meisters have never even produced a budget in the 3 years they’ve been screwing us. Their policies are the cause for the lack of jobs in the first place.

      No, they’re down and out in 2012. God won’t save those scoundrels…

      • JUKEBOX

        Godless Harry Reid refuses to bring Cantor or Boehner’s House Bills up for a vote in the Senate, because his Fallen Angel told him not to, because he will lose his favored seat in Hell.

        • Joe H.

          JUKEBX,
          Save your fingers, friend. I’ve seen too many try to tell them that and not one of these progs here have tried to touch it, let alone answer it!!

  • http://Personalliberty LJ Cap

    Pacmann, Congress is the House and Senate we have only the House Not the Senate or the Presidancy that leaves us with 1/3 … Senate, Harry Reid blocks all Republican jobs bills that do not comply with Obamas Big spending and government jobs programs…the Republican House has been working on this..keeping in God we Trust is important we lose this we are no Longer the The great America we were meant to be.

  • DavidL

    Where are the jobs you promised Republicans? All you have given is gays, guns, abortion, misogyny, attacks on seniors, the middle class, and minority voting rights. What is your latest “looking busy” agenda item? Oh, that’s right. Trivia pursuits. Why don’t you just pick up the fiddle while the country still burns from the fire you set starting in the 1980′s?

    • JeffH

      DavidL, that’s all they’ve done? All of that while Obama continues on with his perpetual presidential campaign to divide the country? Wow!

    • Opal the Gem

      Where are the jobs obama promised us when the democrats had TOTAL control of the house and senate?

      • JeffH

        The Census takers?

      • eddie47d

        I thought Capitalism and private enterprise were to supply the jobs not government? Maybe Opal is confused again.

        • isBubba

          Capitalism and private enterprise WILL, despite the tremendous effort this administration has made in destroying our economy and making a mockery of our Constitution. If Obutthead and Reid would step aside, or when they are thrown out, small business WILL resurrect our economy.

          What do you think has driven the world economy for the last 120 years, Eddie?…Socialism/Communism/Progressivism?…the poor creating jobs?
          No. It’s been the United States economy, powered by innovative small businessmen and women. So you wanted “Change?” You got what you asked for in Obama…boy, did you! He’s been a real winner there.

        • eddie47d

          Taxes were much higher in the 50′s and jobs were plentiful.Now we have crony capitalism controlling everything so there is a bigger picture out there to consider. They aren’t doing small businesses any favors and those cronies can be a bigger problem than blaming socialism.

          • Jay

            Eddie, i would say that crony capitalism is in essence, some retarded form of socialism, as it has the capacity, or the force, that a very few, should determine how the rest are to live their lives. Oh wait, that’s a dictatorship! Correction, crony capitalism is in essence, a dictatorship!

      • bob wire

        “Where are the jobs obama promised us when the democrats had TOTAL control of the house and senate?”

        for the better or worst of it, “O” spent his equity pushing HCF through and as you know it was a major battle that took up much time.

        His think was, Only now might he have the power to secure a victory.

        I think that he was right but it took two years and everything he could bring to bear. Bearing in mind, it was his first year on the job.

        Why did he choice Health Care over jobs. The answer is lengthy. The short answer is he seen the need great in reform as it drains discretionary spending of all Americans like a bucket with a hole rusted through and can never be filled. You can never save with a hole it your bucket.

        AND, I believe he underestimated how bad the job situation would become and the willingness of the GOP to run the nation into the ground and block all spending. If you will recall Obama calle out, “WALL street got their bailout and it was Main Street time.”

        He never got to main street ~ as he had to bail out the ungrateful states. ~ The people that “DIDN”T” lose jobs are left go their way and wonder what the fuss is all about?

        As short an answer as I can give you.

        • Hank, MO

          Really, Bob, I wish it was shorter. Your failure to grasp the basics of the situation is genuinely astounding.

          • Opal the Gem

            Ain’t that the truth.

          • http://naver samurai

            I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • JUKEBOX

      You must be referring to “NEROBAMA”!

    • Joe H.

      DavidL,
      where are all the jobs that obummer promised with over a trillion dollars?? where is the 8% unemployment he said we would have if we passed his stimulus package??? Guess that don’t count???

  • http://none daniel jacobson

    eyes wide open you want some examples of taking god out of our country?? how about taking the 10 commandments out of public buildings?? how about taking crosses of of war memorials?? idiot

    • Karolyn

      The removal of symbols does not take God out of anywhere. Faith in whatever God is believed in cannot be damaged or destroyed by symbols or the lack thereof.

      • isBubba

        Here, Here, Karolyn!

        But removal of those symbols can keep others without your faith from realizing what God had planned for their lives. The fight against God can harm the burgeoning faith in those without our faith. The lies of unbelief can poison the seeds of belief.

        • Karolyn

          We all have the right to believe what we want. If a lack of the 10 Commandments on a wall, a cross on a hill or “In God we trust” on a coin can steal someone’s faith or prohibit him from establishing a faith, that’s pretty sad. I have to beg to differ with your analysis.

          • Joe H.

            you really don’t understand a thing, do you??? It is not that they are trying to remove God from OUR lives, they are trying to remove him from all future generations by removing all symbols of his presence. They do the same thing with the constitution. We already have kids that know next to NOTHING of the constitution because they are skipping over it to teach about johnnie has TWO moms, how to properly use a condom, how to get a quicky obortion,all those “important” things!!! Ask any twelve year old being educated in public school who Daniel boone is and see what answer you get. most of the kids will just look at you and say huh?

          • Karolyn

            Joe – I repeat. Symbols don’t mean anything. Don’t people get their education at home about religion? Why do we need symbols? Are you now saying the govt. has to have a hand in educating people about religion and that these sayings and symbols are essential to keep Christianity viable? A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

          • Joe H.

            Karolyn,
            They are still in violation of the constitution in that it says no law prohibiting the FREE EXERCIZE THERE OF!!!! Those symbols you speak so hautily of are the symbols of my religeon and they are to be free of encumberance!!! If that bothers you, then DON’T LOOK AT THEM!!!

          • Karolyn

            Joe – Wowe! Your mind is so narrow, it’s amazing you can squeeze any thoughts out of it. Please reread my post and see if you can understand what I am saying. I am not attacking you or symbols, only saying that they are not necessary for the free exercise of faith. Faith comes from within. A cross, saying, book or anything else is not essential to a belief.

          • http://naver samurai

            The cross and the Bible are part of our beliefs, which make up our faith. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jay

        Stellar comment Karolyn. Bravo!

        • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

          “you really don’t understand a thing, do you???”

          The bellitling comment wasn’t really necessary was it?

          “It is not that they are trying to remove God from OUR lives, they are trying to remove him from all future generations by removing all symbols of his presence.”

          Is this the God of the Christian Bible you are referring to? How exactly do you “remove him from all future generations”? How do man made “symbols of his presence” benefit God? In my reading of the Bible, no action of man can in any way hinder the God described. Do you believe in this God? Or a puny “god” who can be hindered or helped by the puny actions of the puny US government?

          “They do the same thing with the constitution. We already have kids that know next to NOTHING of the constitution because…”

          I’ll agree with you on the importance of teaching our children about the constitution and the fundamental rights it protects.

          But I don’t see the connection between the whole “In God We Trust” controversy and the constitution. Who is the “they” that you refer to and and what do you mean by they do this same “thing” with the constitution.

          Do you think there is a conspiracy? What evidence do you have to support this that the “they” who doesn’t want religious symbols in the halls of government also has some agenda against the constitution. I think you need to provide a little more supporting evidence before you make such a sweeping claim.

          But you are right, we do a poor job of teaching our children about the consitution and what it means to live responsibly in a democratic society, especially perhaps the importance of being involved in the democratic process if you don’t want to see the whole thing fall apart and the rights of people tramped into the ground.

          You and I could argue all day about the stuff we disagree on.

          What about the common ground? What do you think we agree is worth fighting for in this country of ours?

          • Joe H.

            Mindopen(?) why,
            I have dueled with karolyn since she came here. she claims to have an open mind, ready to listen but all I have seen from her is BS and trying to tear down others beliefs, all the while getting mad if anyone questions HER beliefs! As long as she chooses to belittle MY belief in God, the Bible, and theHoly trinity, I will continue to spar, duel and battle her at every possible point!! Clear enough for YOU??

          • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

            Joe H. – first let me introduce myself. My name is David, I’m the father of three young kids. And despite the heated rhetoric I enjoy this conversation and want to share that I still respect you and your opinions regarding this important topic.

            In the above quote I see several things, but since you wrote it you deserve the chance to correct me if I’m reading this wrong.

            Obviously you care a great deal about your faith, and when someone says something that seems to question that you get upset. Fair enough.

            You stated “Those symbols you speak so haughtily of are the symbols of my religon and they are to be free of encumberance”.

            So because they are the symbols of YOUR religion it upsets YOU when someone says or does something that you interpret as belittling of those symbols.

            But I don’t think you are reading into Karolyns comments very deeply. She seems to be making the point that FAITH is far more powerful than SYMBOLS. Is that truly bellitling of your faith? The God that you believe in is not subject to the whims of humans, including acts of Congress. God was no more in the halls of government by the act of Congress that made “In God We Trust” the national motto, and he was no less in the halls of government prior to that act of Congress! By that same argument we could flood the halls of government with all sorts of religious symbols, or do the opposite and completely rid the halls of government of any religious symbol. I’m sure you would agree that God’s power is not dimished by these acts, and that his power to come into someone’s life is not diminished by these acts either. If you disagree than I must conclude that you believe in a god that is lesser than the omnipotent all powerful being that is described in the Bible.

            I think I could soundly conclude that those who believe in God (i.e. the God of the Bible) would say that God’s presence in the halls of any place is entirely at his WHIM.

            If I were a person who believed in God, I would be highly skeptical that the current reaffirmation by congress of “In God We Trust” means that God’s presence will be more fully evident in those halls…talk about a godless den of thieves…can we think of one more corrupt than the halls of Congress?

            Why should any person who believes in God take comfort that such scoundrels have made a public proclamation affirming their “trust in God”? The bill was passed 396-9…hmm, so 396 of 405 representatives put their trust in God, but the country is being stolen out from under our noses on their watch? Are these really the people you want to associate with as fellow trusters in God? (there’s more than a hint of humor in there Joe and I hope you and others can smile with me on this, regardless of which side of this debate you fall on!)

            Let me put this one more way…you remember in the New Testament when Jesus went into the temple and overturned the tables of the people buying and selling etc? I can picture a similar scene today:

            Jesus storming into the halls of Congress: “You call this a place where it is ‘In God We Trust’, yet you have sold out to the highest bidder and pay no heed to the needs of the people you have sworn by oath to serve. You have made this place into a den of thieves!” (Jesus then ransacks the offices of every lobbyist in Washington DC in disgust)

            I think Jesus would see right through the lip service to God that Congress just served up with it’s 396-9 vote and would pay a lot more attention to the fruits that congress has been serving up lately.

            But back to the point you made about it being YOUR religion. Is it everyone’s religion? You mention that “They are still in violation of the constitution in that it says no law prohibiting the FREE EXERCIZE THERE OF”. That is only HALF of the equation.

            You seem to be selectively pointing out that the goverment shall make no law prohibiting the free excercise of YOUR religion. You are correct.

            The other half of the equation is the first part of that ammendment which you ommitted. Here is the first ammendment in it’s entirety:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

            http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

            So Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

            At the time the constitution was written most Americans believed in God. There was no controversy about whether the country as a whole believed in God. But the agreed upon motto was “E pluribus unum” – out of one many. As has already been discussed the motto “In God We Trust” came much later in our history.

            Now you will find many things written by the founding fathers expressing their personal views about belief in God. And without doube I’m sure you will find examples of where they may have argued for or against government policy, and their religous views informed them on this, and may have been used in the argument. The question is did they ever pass a law where religion (for or against) was part of the law itself?

            Don’t you find it interesting that they didn’t make the motto something related to belief in God? Maybe it is because they believed fully that the “free excercise thereof” should be fully protected? That is each persons exclusive and individual right to chose their own path on religious belief should be protected. Even though they themselves strongly believed in God and had particular convictions unique to whatever church they affiliated with, they didn’t feel the need to make their faith part of the official government position.

            And the really telling thing is that they didn’t see this as a threat to their faith! They didn’t need the governments official approval of their faith for it to be valid in their eyes, and they felt no less secure in their faith in the absence of the government making any official proclamation about it.

            The founding fathers, in my opinion, remained true to the first amendment, when it came to making a difference between their personal expression of faith in public life (something they did quite often) and the endorsement of any position regarding personal faith in the laws and doctrines of the US government.

            I often see the religious views (personal writings) of the founding fathers quoted as “evidence” that the founding fathers felt that religion had a place in government. From the standpoint of an individual having the right to express their personal stance, even offer prayer in the halls of government I would say, this is fully inline with the constitution and should not be prohibited.

            But when it comes to making an actual law or other official statement of the US government I would challenge anyone to provide an example where the founding fathers passed any law involving religious belief, stating that one form of religous belief over another should somehow be part of official US law or doctrine.

            We have an example from more recent history. It is when the law was passed to make “In God We Trust” the official US motto.

            My opinion here is that they somehow felt more secure by making this the official government motto. And in that respect they differed from the founding fathers who I daresay might have balked at making such a law. I think the founding fathers absolutely would have PERSONALLY felt that not believing in God is a terrible choice. But would they have condoned a law that essentially makes belief in God the official government position?

            I challenge anyone to provide a similar example that involved those who wrote and ratified the constitution.

            You are speaking for yourself, and many others who believe like you do, that “In God We Trust” rings true as a fitting national motto.

            But you forget that there is a significant portion of the population for whom “In God We Trust” does not ring true as a fitting national motto. You incorrectly assume that those who find “In God We Trust” out of place (as something given official status by the government) are less moral because they chose not to believe in God. If this is not the case please correct me, I want to be fair.

            Perhaps you personally do not feel this way, but there are those who do feel this way. Let me state as a person who, at this point in their journey, does not find belief in God to be the choice for me (it’s an option on the table but I’m not settling on this great mystery just yet), that those who think that belief in God, or the public declaration of belief in God serves as some litmus test for personal virtue, that I wholeheartedly find this postion to be incorrect.

            And thus, I as a matter of constitutional principle, take issue with “In God We Trust” as the official motto made so by a law enacted by congress. One it sets up belief in God as a litmus test for US citizens. So the official stance of the the US government is that belief in God is a fitting choice for its citizens. Do those of us who chose not to believe in God fall into a lesser category in the governments view? How many US citizens are left without an official US motto because they chose not to believe in God? And if this is so how can it be constitutional for the US government to pass such a law, which in its essence endorses belief in God?

            There are many who find a path to virtue and sound morals and yet also choose not to believe in God. I personally find it offensive, when anyone suggests that those who chose this path are less moral than those who chose belief in God. They certainly have a right to believe that, but that does not give them the right to insist or expect in any way that their government should show a preference for belief in God just because it agrees with their view.

            Freedom of choice is the heart of our democracy and the heart of the first ammendment.

            Many freely choose religion or belief in God as their path to understanding life and a path to virtue and moral standards. This is their constitutionally protected right. They would call it their God given right. I stand shoulder to shoulder with them in saying that this right should be protected, and would hope that all Americans who chose not to believe in God would do the same.

            Many freely choose other non-religious paths, or the absence of belief in God as their path to understanding life and a path to virtue and moral standards. This is their constitutionally protected right. They might call it their natural right. I would hope that all those who chose belief in God would stand shoulder to shoulder with them in saying that this right should be protected.

            Because that, in my view, is what the first ammendment, and the protection of “free exercise theorof” and the prohibition against any law respecting an establishment of religion is all about.

            That is that government should not promote any view regarding religious choice (neither for or against). And that government should not interfere in the free choice of individuals when it comes to matters of religious belief. It’s a slippery slope those of us on both sides of this debate should want to avoid at all costs.

          • Joe H.

            mindopenwhy,
            If you had been here at the beginning of my conflagration with karolyn, you might have enough understanding of wha has transpired to judge. you haven’t been therefore you don’t. I don’t belittle peoples beliefs as a rule, I believe in live and let live, so to speak. I have had my beliefs trampled by karolyn and others here to the point that I refuse to stand and idly take it any longer. you say the founders purposely left out God? BS say I. They purposely put at the beginning of our ammendments that religeous beliefs are a right that CAN NOT be trampled in any way by the government as they knew the royals had a habit of trying to control it.
            Secondly, TPTB have been trying to do away with anything that denotes your beliefs or pride in your country. even right down to telling you whether you can fly the United States flag or not. This is not the country I know and love. you may not agree with me and that is your right, which I will defend with my life, if need be. all I ask is the same consideration from you!

          • http://www.mindopenwhy.org MindOpenWhy

            “Joe H. says:
            November 5, 2011 at 7:10 pm
            mindopenwhy,
            If you had been here at the beginning of my conflagration with karolyn, you might have enough understanding of wha has transpired to judge. you haven’t been therefore you don’t.”

            I agree with you on this, Joe, I don’t have a right to judge and that was not my intention. Nor did I intend to take sides between you and Carolyn. Obviously I have a bias in this debate that is evident, so it would be completely hypocritical of me to not acknowledge that and pretend to be some objective neutral observer. I don’t think there are many of us who fall into that category!

            My intention was to offer my perspective with the hope that you would continue the conversation by clarifying your position on this. You obviously believe that ‘In God We Trust’ is a fitting national motto for you and fellow believers. Can you see how someone who chooses not to believe in God would be of the opinion that the government making a law that the official US motto is ‘In God We Trust’ would be a violation of their constitutional rights? And how they might view this as an unfitting motto for the nation as a whole given their personal choice regarding belief in God? Do you think that the first amendment only protects the religious freedoms of Christians? Do other groups that don’t fall in this category have less of a right to expect that their government remain neutral on religious matters? In what way would a government that is truly neutral on religious matters impede your right or anyone elses right to believe as they wish and practice religion in they way they wish?

            Here’s my opinion: the government should not say to an individual “you can’t pray here in this school because it is a public place” or “you can’t chose to use your alloted time before congress to offer a prayer”. That being said the government should not make OFFICIAL policy that endorses prayer. The key difference being individual choice versus official government policy.

            “I don’t belittle peoples beliefs as a rule, I believe in live and let live, so to speak. I have had my beliefs trampled by karolyn and others here to the point that I refuse to stand and idly take it any longer.”

            Here’s a tough one. I’m sorry that the conversation between you and karolyn broke down to this point. But what about these words: “Forgive and you shall be forgiven”, “Turn the other cheek” and “Love your enemies”. I find these to be some of the toughest words of Jesus to follow, and so I feel hypocritical bringing these up, but this is the high standard Christians are called to, and that many of us non-believers also choose to strive for. Is it not worth it to strive for these things as we engage with those who differ from us in their beliefs and opinions about such important matters?

            “you say the founders purposely left out God? BS say I. They purposely put at the beginning of our ammendments that religeous beliefs are a right that CAN NOT be trampled in any way by the government as they knew the royals had a habit of trying to control it.”

            They certainly didn’t leave out God. God was part of the fabric of their existence, belief, way of being. They were deeply devoted to God. I just think they were very wary of making any official government doctrine pertaining to belief in God. I could be mistaken, and I honestly look forward to the opportunity to be proven wrong. I love to learn new things and be challenged in my presuppositions about things.

            I imagine that they didn’t see a need to address belief or non-belief in God, because perhaps to them the idea of non-belief was to far fetched. But they didn’t live in today’s America where there is a much broader diversity of beliefs. It is certainly interesting to speculate what opinion they might have regarding today’s diversity, but impossible to say for certain what the might have to say about it.

            “Secondly, TPTB have been trying to do away with anything that denotes your beliefs or pride in your country.”

            You’ll have to enlighten me on what TPTB is.

            “even right down to telling you whether you can fly the United States flag or not. This is not the country I know and love. you may not agree with me and that is your right, which I will defend with my life, if need be. all I ask is the same consideration from you!”

            I’ll try my best Joe to do the same. And I would defend with my life, if need be, your right to believe in God in the way that you choose; and to fly the flag (I fly mine on Memorial Day, July 4th, Sept. 11th and I’ll be damned if anyone is going to make me stop!); and let me tell you, I don’t know if you have kids and honestly it doesn’t make a real difference when it comes to love for this country and the liberties that we are fortunate to enjoy, but from my perspective my kids are my greatest motivator at this stage in my life. I desperately want to pass on to them a world that is a better place and a country that will offer them the liberties, opportunities, responsibility and accountability that they deserve. It worries me greatly that there seems to be so much harsh rhetoric, not only in government but amongst the people! It breaks my heart and worries me greatly to think that my kids may inherit a world and country more torn with conflict and strife then what we see already.

            Peace to you Joe, and I hope you and I and the rest of our fellow Americans (whether God fearing or not!) can continue to carry on this conversation with the civility and respect that this country so desperately needs.

          • libertytrain

            Mind Open Why – why do you need such lengthy posts. Good grief – how greedy you appeared.

          • http://naver samurai

            MOW is just long winded. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • OldMan

    To Rusticus: What group of fools do you belong to?? Bet you don’t know a damn thing about any religion or faith !!

    To Mark: What do you have against Pablum ??? I’ll bet you are one of those guys who just likes to hear himself talk. Bet you don’t know anything about faith/religion or history other than a few isolated facts you use to back up your myopic attitude !!!

    • JUKEBOX

      Mark must be one of those people who loves sucking on the Government Teat, since he was weaned off Pablum.

  • Julius Roberts

    Trusting in God and the Lord Jesus Christ (God’s Son) is our only way out of the mess we are now in.The Bible tells us: “If God’s people will humble themselves and pray, seek God’s face, turn from their wicked ways, then will I (God) will hear from Heaven,and will forgive their sins, and HEAL their land.”

    Our nation is sick and needs healing. Obama is out to destroy America is my belief.

    • bob wire

      Right, our nation is sick and will get only sicker with Christian Telban trying to install themselves into government and force their X Brand of religion on everyone as they enter ours houses and the wombs of our women with not need of consent. As they encroach on our personal liberties and freedoms in the namesake of “their” god and protect us from ourselves in the quest of righteousness, smaller, less intrusive government.

      Right! I got cha mother Teresa

      Your rewards are not of this world but in heaven ~ don’t allow yourself to be distracted in claiming them and stay too long.

      • Joe H.

        Instead YOU would put your faith in a bunch of idiot boobs in government to help you?? NOW who’s the fool? YOU!!!

        • bob wire

          I don’t place a excessive amount of faith in either money or government Joe. Must I?

          Does it have to be multiple choice from your selection?

          I know my Divine, and not sure I really know yours and I don’t really want to hear much about it. I prefer to spare you unsolicited information about mine. DEAL? You might not like mine and I won’t care. It’s personal!

          Nor do I what to hear and will not soliciting information about your sexual preferences, hemorrhoids,piles,shingles, gout,thrush, the size of your Johnson, personal worth or indebtedness.

          I’m left to assume ~ you are a human being and subject to having experiences with all of these things common to all.

          Allow us to dispense with such “personal things” and speak instead of ideas and feelings.

          • Joe H.

            bob wire,
            Then don’t insult MY beliefs!! There is no “Christian Taliban”!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert Smith and Bob Wire are pretty close to being American Taliban. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • GDC

    It doesn’t matter if they reaffirmed the “motto” it IS unconstitutional.

    Religion IS a mental sickness and ALL who believe in ANY religion ARE mentally sick, delusional, psychotic!

    • JeffH

      I can only imagine what GDC stands for. G*d Da***d Chr*st**ns?

      I’ll bet yer one of dem thar hily edecaded liebrals athiests too.

      • Jay

        Yeah, no doubt his pa is also his brother.

        • JeffH

          :) …married to his sister, err, his ma!

    • Tim Halpin

      @ GDC. Thats right out of the Communist handbook.

    • JUKEBOX

      You must realize that Alinsky, Marx, and Lenin’s teachings are all the religion of Communism.

    • http://naver samurai

      OMG! I didn’t know Karl Marx was still alive! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://Personalliberty LJ Cap

    @GDC–And you are not? You angst is an example of your ignorance.

  • Buck

    It seems there are a few politicians aware of our Christian heritage . God Bless You Gentleman !!

    • bob wire

      and they felt it necessary that today they go to capital Hill and like Angel likes to says, cram it down everybody’s throats.

      Just in case someone was not up to speed and somehow missed it over the course of a life time.

      Makes perfect sense to me. ~

  • jean

    Finally… confirming what our Founding Fathers were all about in creating the foundation for our country, and the ones who followed knowing what has made this country strong and free.

  • J J

    Finally, something to be proud of – right Mrs. Obama???

  • FreedomFighter

    A little faith in God from our reps in goverment, sure does bring out the Lucys.

    I read somewhere that speaking of God and/or Jesus physically hurts demons…or was that the exorcist movie, either way sure looks like this affirmation stung some Lucys.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Jay

      You got that right FF, and i’m sure “The Hawk” would agree with you!

  • Jay

    I honestly don’t see what the fuss with the phrase “In God we Trust” is all about. I suspect that only knuckle-dragging, baboons would take issue with such. Bill Maher?, Richard Dawkins?, Sam Harris? Did i miss anyone? Oh right, mark. I suspect mark is right about now throwing faeces at his computer screen, frothing at the mouth, while babbling incoherently! Oh, poor marky!

    • Jay

      I failed to include GDC to the list. Sorry GDC, didn’t mean to exclude you!

    • Joe H.

      Jay,
      you forgot the big Obam!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Don’t forget Robert Smith and his ilk. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • bob wire

    ““In god we trust” is meaningless crap that can describe any group of superstitious fools from Saudi Arabia to any country dominated by ignorance”

    WoW! Just when I thought it was clear and settled in everybody’s mind!

    I guess Congressman Randy Forbes need to go back and submit another house bill and identify which god is implied that we trust! We know who but maybe they don’t!

    “Similar phrases or derivations can be found in the Bible (including Psalms 20, Psalms 56, & Psalms 62). The phrase has been incorporated in many hymns and patriotic songs.” So I guess it has been plagiarized, once again.

    In 1864 it was stamped on American coin, in 1957 on our paper money, ~ so tell us ~ who hasn’t got the message by now?

    Just more God issues the Tea Party is rubbing the Federal governments nose in today while they do a little victory dance and run out the clock, refusing to address the serious issues of business that’s before them.

    do I hear an Amen! God is great and pass the gravy.

    That should tie Congress up until their next recess.

    I have always thought is was somewhat silly wording myself as it implies we feel it necessary to state. It’s a less then eloquent superfluousness statement that has little place on money something that to lust for according to this same biblical text “is” the root of all evil.

    So we can trust both God and money? Hmm? Trust God to be God and money to be money?

    Okay! I think I got it! Can we move on or does this require more discussion?

    • Jay

      bob wire says:I have always thought is was somewhat silly wording myself as it implies we feel it necessary to state. It’s a less then eloquent superfluousness statement that has little place on money something that to lust for according to this same biblical text “is” the root of all evil.

      Excellent catch bob! And i agree, let’s move on, but i suspect betsy is going to get milked for a little while longer!

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      well stated

      • bob wire

        thanks guys ~ not to recant as I really don’t like to see Gods name on money but you know, at the end of the civil war, trust in anything was probably a serious issue. The nation was struggling to heal and be whole once again. It was with this backdrop of chaos, mayhem, great human loss and suffering that this “In God we Trust” was considered a good idea to put on money. Federal money was not the only money being offered. This was most likely an attempt to borrowing from God a common unity that 99.9% of American understood and agreed with at the time. A cheap shot perhaps but Federal money had to be honored for this healing process to take place.

        So I can~ maybe see why, it’s seemed to be a clever thing to do in 1864.

        But after 147 years, I very much question if that need still exist. We have united, rallied fought two world wars,Spanish American war, Korean War,Viet Nam war, and a host of other wars as one nation, under one God and one Flag. I failed to see how anyone might see us as a divided nation just because we consider descent a freedom, a right as we can strong disagree without the streets running red with blood.

        Tradition is a good thing, it does unity people. But times does change things and the need for review is always worthy consideration but “IF” ~, especially “if” this same tradition is being used to divide rather then unite people, that is something I find not right and unsettling.

        We need to be mindful of these tricky rascals on the Hill and what constructive work they claim to do in our behalf.

        I think Betsy gal is about milked down and her tits are raw from all this tugging. Let’s hope it’s over.

        Get out the rope,saw and knife, let us dehorn and pride-cut a few of these lobbyist that wandering the hall of government today. They are far too cocky and causing problems.

        • Joe H.

          bob wire,
          you have a definate vision problem. just look at the posts here on this site and tell me we are NOT a divided nation and most of the division is caused by the freakin government!!!

          • bob wire

            I know that you want to believe that Joe. After two years of fanning the flames of discontent people are lathered up pretty good. But if you are ready to break and run, I wouldn’t expect the rest of the nation to follow you.

            You and like minds and political pundits have distorted facts and events in some attempt to test the metal of this great nation. To exercise your rights! But the lid is still on and the nation is still intact and you are still here Joe.

            I’m curious to see what you people are going to say and do after 2012 election. Win, lose or draw, X amount of free men and women will choose descent over resolve and resolution Joe.

            It’s a freedom to descent, it’s a given, it’s expected. Life in America has never been booked as some voyage on the “Good Ship Lillie-Pop”

            Some people are determined to show us just how mean and nasty they can be if they don’t get their way. ~Some people live by the feud, it doesn’t matter how good or bad it gets or if they win, They love it!

            I’m suppose to worry? Right? ~ I can’t control you Joe, have no plans to even try. I have no plans for you other then reject the plans you have for me.

            Most of the people on this thread represents a small minority harboring an illusion of some majority, it’s been so from the beginning. They all see themselves as “victims” of me! of a system, a victim of everything but their own actions and deeds. Does that not sound somewhat immature and childish to you.

            325 million Americas and 7 billion souls on this planet today. Plus or minus a few Joe’s. And your unhappy? The line is rather long Joe, what make you so special? What have you got to defend the rest of us don’t?

            You need to put things in perspective Joe. Things are not anywhere as bad as you seem to believe. You’ been sold a story to worry you and so you worry. I don’t know how the debts to be paid, I know that I didn’t spent it. I know it all a game to make us all worry about things we have little or no control of.

            You are made the puppet to serve another’s purpose with this behavior. If you have little choice in the matter, I think you might consider chilling out and enjoying the ride and the screwing that follows. I plan on dieing and cheating them out of it Joe. You wanta follow along?

            I helped father sit up today ~ 2 minutes! actually put his feet on the floor. It’s been 52 days. He’s going to screw us and leave soon. Have you ever thought about all the people in the world that are starring up at the ceiling 24/7 for months on end?

            What a view that must be! What a life! Take control JOE and look at something else, something uplifing while you still can.

          • Joe H.

            bob,
            do me a favor and tell me and the rest of the world just what the hell your post had to do with what I stated?? I mentioned NOTHING about my personal wants, needs, or dreams. I stated that this nation is again becomming a nation divided directly along party lines and beliefs. now if you have a problen with comprehension, bud let me know and I’ll try to word it to your ability!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            If this division continues, it may lead to revolution or another civil war. Which I don’t want either one, but I do have lots of dry powder and 5.56mm ammo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe, you claim: “just look at the posts here on this site and tell me we are NOT a divided nation and most of the division is caused by the freakin government!!!”

            Depends upon whic “division” you are talking about. Certainly the right wing tax breaks for the top 1% are the falt of the government caving into that monied block of funders for their political ambitions.

            But the religious devide comes NOT from the government but is precipitated by a small minority of right wing religious nuts who worship a brutal “christian” god. They are attempting to use the force of government to force their religious beliefs upon the rest of America.

            I look upon them as the American Taliban.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Right wing, baaaaa! The rich, baaaaa! Christianity, baaaaa! God and Christian bashing speech, baaaaa! Sheesh Rob, you really sound like your being lead by the nose by the progressives we have now. Neeeeed to stop lying on this site and start making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H.

            Mindopenwhy,
            That last post to me from Robbie is EXACTLY what I described to you!!! Understand NOW??

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually Rob, you and Bob Wire seem to be candidate for the American Taliban. Anti-Christian and always looking for ways to blow someone up on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Hank, MO

      There is “silly wording”… and then there is Bob Wire’s comments– the very definition of silly wording!

  • Hank, MO

    If you don’t trust in God, in whom do you place your trust? Obama?

    • Joe H.

      NOT A CHANCE HERE!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Me neither!!!!!! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • bob wire

      I trust in my faith Hank.

      Walk by faith and not be sight. Your eyes will fool you and get you side tracked.

      Calling me silly is your decision and belongs to you Hank. It doesn’t belong to me. I do not require programming, slogans or anyone’s validation to guide my life. I live a validation rooted in faith. Why? ~~ It’s simple, because it works. If it didn’t I wouldn’t do it.

      What do you trust in?

  • CJM

    While chastising Congress, it is interesting to note that obammy hasn’t done a thing to create jobs for the American people; he has, however, been busy selling our birth rights to the highest bidder and further inflating his ego with his wasteful jaunts across the US and overseas. obammy doesn’t believe in God–he only believes he is god.

  • http://naver samurai

    True that! True that, CJM! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Robert Smith

    Actually it is an effort to STOP right wing christians in the name of their brutal god from taking over America.

    Rob

    • http://naver samurai

      Taking over America? Look no farther than the atheists and muslims for that. That would be you Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. Why do you care if we keep “In God We Trust” on our money? If it affects you very badly, then go to another country and live there. Then you won’t need to see our motto. BTW, does this mean you don’t like the national anthem? It even states, “…And this be our motto, In God is Our Trust.” I guess you don’t like that either. Just a waste of space Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Ivan M.

    I appreciated this article. I am a Christian and an American who likes our country, mostly. What I don’t appreciate or even understand are all of the folks on the comments who are acting very un-Christian. Jesus didn’t rub sinners noses in their sins. Neither did the Apostles after him. What makes you think that it is a good example for others.
    “You will know them by their love, one for another…” right? He showed them love and forgiveness and left the condemnation up to God. If we are indeed still a Christian nation, we should act like it. I now get why someone said that “The leading cause of Atheism is Christians.”

  • Thinking About

    What a waste of any effort in Congress to take care of important business. They want to reaffirm “in God We Trust”, well wrap their empty heads around this one, “In Congress We Don’t Trust”, you already have a 9% approval rating and you apparently want the rating to be 0%. Get busy and do your job or resign and some one important the position.

    • http://naver samurai

      Our Christian beliefs are important business. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        samurai says: “Our Christian beliefs are important business.”

        To you maybe. If you just aren’t using your bible as a weapon to bully others.

        And others don’t care about your brutal version of christanity until you try to jam it down our throats.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Same old rhetoric, lies, and innuendo, eh Rob? When are you going to stop lying and realize this country was founded differently than you have been programmed? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound.

          http://www.wallbuilders.com
          http://www.keepgodinamerica.com
          http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/a-christian-nation/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Joe H.

          robbie,
          no, not to just him or the majority of people here, to a large majority of the people in the US!!!

        • Mushin

          HEY ROB, YOUR LIKE A BAD HABIT – WHY DON’T YOU GO HAUNT ANOTHER SITE LIKE SAY, THE ON PAUL REUBEUNS HAS FOR GUY’S LIKE YOU ( AND HIM! )…AT LEAST THEIR YOU’D BE IN FAMILIAR COMPANY AND APPRECIATED!

          • Mushin

            NO NEED TO THANK ME! …..REALLY. THIS ONE’S ON THE HOUSE.

          • Mushin

            Hey Wobbie….diz iz fer yoo!

            He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
            Thomas Jefferson

      • Mushin

        HEYYY SAMURAI! I’D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AVAILABLE FOR YOU IN DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE KNUCKLEHEADS (LIKE ROB) – I’VE BEEN BUSY WITH BUSINESS AT HAND. SEEMS THOUGH YOU DON’T NEED ME! HA,HA,HA! In case I don’t catch up with you sooner, GOD BLESS YOU and your family and have a great Thanksgiving Day. M.

        • Mushin

          And PLEAAAASE stop doing that thing you do Rob – your going to give yourself stretch marks!

  • FedUp

    Holy Crap, Robert Smith… you sound like an elementary school kid on the playground. Get over yourself. We all know that you think you are the most intelligent person here. Please shut the hell up.

    thanks.

  • simian pete

    The United States of America legally AFFIRMS the existence of GOD….

    Our Liberty is founded on the existence of God. Because the Creator exist we have rights and we are free men (and women).

    This is a Philosophical stance – not Theological – Philosophy comes to it’s limit and says “God exists ” !!

    Now the next step, for all who are free and choose, to find out who is this God …

  • always right

    would somebody PLeAsE put a .50 cal. though that dumb, lyin’ bastard, muslim, illegal alien’s head?? Even a .308 would do. Heck, Sirhan Sirhan (an early muslim terrorist) used .22 on Bobbby Kennedy. Roadside IED? An RPG-7 into the side of the presidential bus (I wonder if he rides in the back, onr maybe only ½ way back?) Where are the muslim terrorists when we need them? Oh that’s right. He’s one of their own. Otherwise there’s be a fatwah to take him down for his apostasy, to become a “christian” infidel

  • Mushin

    IN GOD WE TRUST – NOT OBAMA NOR ANY OF HIS CRONIES! {that includes you Robbie – we don’t trust you either – no arguing now – I said no Robbie! NO!

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