House Pitches Sweet Debt Limit Deal To Obama As Senate GOP Readies Tougher, Competing Offer

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House Majority Leader John Boehner is set to wave the olive branch at the White House, with an offer to raise the Federal debt ceiling for a six-week period while still keeping the government shut down until a lasting agreement on spending limitations can be struck.

President Barack Obama reportedly “would sign” such an agreement, according to White House press secretary Jay Carney.

The House offer seems to play into the hands of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who (again) said Thursday that Senate Democrats will “negotiate” only if the House first sends over a naked bill that raises the debt limit and omits any new spending limitations.

Meanwhile, Senate Republicans are organizing a tougher counter-proposal that, if first approved by the House, would authorize a temporary increase in the debt limit while level-funding the Federal government for a year.

That offer also provides for the repeal of the Obamacare medical device tax and strengthens the verification requirements for anyone seeking a Federal subsidy to pay for an Obamacare insurance plan. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is reportedly behind the new Senate talks.

The President was scheduled to meet with some House Republicans late Thursday to discuss the new House offer. A House vote could follow if later in the day if both sides leave the talks with an agreement in principle.

Boehner called the House plan a “good-faith effort on our part to move halfway” in the long-running standoff over negotiating a bipartisan agreement to fund the government while stanching what conservatives view as unnecessary spending initiatives – including Obamacare.

You may be frustrated with your Congressman – but don’t dare treat him or her the way Congressman Gary Miller (R-Calif.) treated this reporter when asked about his stance on the House proposal:

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Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • rog363

    The reporter should have reported him to the police for assault, it is on video, isn’t it?

    • Andy

      The reporter should have been smart enough to stay beyond arms
      arms length when being obnoxious.

      • rog363

        Obnoxious would have been calling him A**hole not Congressman, when asking him a ligitimate question, as reporters have to do, when doing their job. I have a question for you Andy, what would you consider as being obnoxious?

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Republicans should stand their ground for defunding Obamacare, but no surprise that RINO, I want to be re-elected Boehner is proposing the temporary debt ceiling lift which will be permanent!

    • smilee

      It is the equivalent of suicide for them if they keep this nonsense up!!

      • momo

        So is going 17 trillion in debt!

        • smilee

          You default on anything it would be 100 times worse the debt, that is easy to manage compared to a deep deep recession which would result by default

          • Andy

            BS, there’s enough money coming in to pay the service on the debt.

          • smilee

            SO that is not the reason this would be so dangerous as it would throw us into a far worse recession than 2008 and that is a price that no one should have to pay for this GOP stupidity.You obviously do not understand how the economy works.

          • PatriotVet

            You do understand that there are 90,000,000 Americans out of work? We are in the midst of the greatest depression that has ever been. If you compare the data from the 1930’s with today you will see. The middle class has shrunk to almost nothing and the poor are the largest class in America. You think that this is all O.K.? Can you say the half BILLION Dollar American note? Coming soon to a bank near you.

          • smilee

            90 million that is 29% of the total population when you include all the children and the retired people, do you really want to stick by such nonsense, probably puts puts working people at about 50% unemployed. It was a deep recession not a depression and they claim we have been out.of it since 2009, The economy quit sliding downward and has been gaining admittedly slowly since then. The middle class was in great shape after the depression ended and has only gone backward since 1779. You do not understand how the economy works,

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            You are so funny. You are so arrogant that you think you know what makes economics work, but when you open your mouth, you are showing how stupid you are. All you know is what NBC news taught you

          • daveH234

            Patriot Vet here in the reply to you shows his ignorance and blinder mentality. The Republicans are the ones shrinking the middle class and increasing the 1%’s increasing wealth..Keep it up Koch Bros. spend all your money to keep Americans subservient. They pervert the Government and Economy to the detriment of the middle class.

          • smilee

            Your right. I would invite everyone to go see the movie “Inequality for All” playing in selected theaters right now IT does a real good job explaining how our works our economy

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            You are so out of touch with reality. You must be a product of what Force Recon calls the dumbifacation system

          • smilee

            What would you know about reality? You deny it all the time!

          • Deerinwater

            You know this?

          • Jacxk

            Andy:

            Servicing of the debt is not the only thing that has to be paid. You are forgetting the costs of running the government including the military, VA, Homeland Security Social Security,, Medicare, FEMA, contractors, etc.

            There is not enough money coming in to pay anywhere near all of these expenses. So who doesn’t get paid.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Comrade Smilee, Don’t worry and stress out your Communist/Marxist brain too much. There will always be plenty of cowed and shackled U.S. Citizen Tax Payer Slaves ready to be sheep sheared, plucked, harvested and forced to pay the 17 Trillion+ and growing morbidly obese Federal monster national debt. Many Tax Payer Slaves are not yet born. Democrats are blood sucking and insatiable ravenous Federal Tax Sucking Leeches. You need vinegar to remove the Democrat Tax Sucking Leeches and that will be very painful for both the host(the U.S. Citizen Tax Payer Slaves) and the parasitic Democrat Tax Sucking Leeches. The U.S. Federal government will never default when there is always a plentiful and bountiful supply of always cowed and very obedient hard working U.S. Citizen Tax Payer Slaves ready to work for the Washington Democrat National Federal Debt Plantation known as the Federal government in D.C.. We is workin hard for ya Massa Smilee and Massa Obama too! Please don’t whip me Massa Smilee!

          • smilee

            I’m not impressed by your smart azzed stupidity!!

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Wow. You really got insulted! I never expected that. You get insulted easily. That’s only one sign of your insecurity and low self esteem. Be careful. Your Joseph Stalin totalitarian personality is showing.

          • smilee

            I’m not insulted you just assumed that. I only expressed the truth about your idiotic post

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Comrade SmiIee, I just don’t believe you. I really don’t. Somehow, I unintentionally insulted your inner commie.

          • smilee

            Believe what you like, I do not care.. Your an arrogant idiot who will only believes what fits into your bias!

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Now you are showing your anger by lashing out. I did expect that.

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            Are you throwing a tantrum again

          • Deerinwater

            An insult is to accept offense. ~ Mr. Holiday, ~ you have not offended a person but the rational thought process that some people have a better grip on then others.

            For example , ~ Senator Ted Cruz of Texas has placed himself in “check” and has only so many moves before he will be Checkmated and this little charade will be over. Come election time, those voters displace by these unnecessary and unfruitful event will not forget it.

            That Ted Cruz, the GOP and the Tea Party needs more votes to advance their agenda while they go about driving voters away ~ really does not make a lot of sense considering the form of Government that we employ here in America today. ~

            So this leaves me to ask you, ~ what form of government do you intend to change our government into if you don’t approve of the current one?

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            As Doctor Ron Paul has said many times, “We must return our Federal Government to the original principles of the Constitutional Republic as written by the Founding Father’s” and “Democracy is synonymous for unchecked and unhindered Mob Rule and Tyranny against any minority”.

          • smilee

            The Constitution has been amended 27 times between 1791 and 1992 a period of 201 years and every amendment is as valid as the original ratified in 1789 and some of these amendments changed the original with the 13th, 14th, and 15th provided the most changes from the original and not one of the original founding fathers was alive when it happened so this is not a document written only by the founding father but also by many later generations over 201 years. The original Constitution for the most part has been much improved over the years, they ended slavery, better defined citizenship, made it so laws have to be equally applied, guaranteed the vote for woman and blacks. I do not think we want to go back to eighteenth century laws. You are ignorant and arrogant and have a lot to learn to over come this.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Comrade Smilee, you do not have even the slightest clue or even the slightest hint as to why the Constitution was drafted. The Constitution was written mostly because of totalitarian government authoritarian centralists like yourself or Monarchs like King George III and a totalitarian British Parliament during the 18th Century who want to centralize all or most political power to be able to control the minutest details of both public Life and private Life which is known as slavery and that means that you have an insatiable subconscious or conscious desire to be a slave owner and you have an insatiable subconscious or conscious desire to be a slave which is known as modern Communism, Socialism and Marxism, also known as Democrat Ultra Left Liberal Fanatic Progressive Socialism or Marxism Light. It is too early to know if you are only a Socialist or if you are a milk toast Communist.

          • smilee

            Your fricken nuts!!

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            You’re talking to yourself again.

          • Tony Kennedy

            HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jack

            John Holliday:

            Sorry to let you know you are wrong.

            First there was the Revolutionary War. Then the first government was formed under the Articles of Confederation. The Articles established a very weak federal government and the States had all real power – a state’s rights utopia.

            The system under the Articles was a disaster. Because the system with the federal government being weak and the states being strong didn’t work, the Constitution was written and then adopted by the states. The Constitution reversed the roles making the Federal government the powerhouse and the powers of the states were greatly weaken. That is why federal law overrules any and all state laws.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Sorry to let you know that you are wrong. If a Federal Law is Unconstitutional, like Obamacare for example(unless of course if Obamacare is surreptitiously considered a TAX and that is really pushing the Constitutional envelope), then Federal Law does not overrule any and all State Laws because The Constitution does not permit and does not grant the Federal government any powers and any jurisdictions that are SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY RESERVED TO THE PEOPLE in each separate individual State. The Bill Of Rights are the attached Amendments to the Constitution to insure that the integrity of the Constitution that protects the guaranteed individual rights and freedoms of the people are respected by both the Federal government AND all State governments sort of like an insurance policy to protect, preserve and guarantee the individual rights and freedoms of the people in each separate individual State AND also at the same time to protect, preserve and guarantee the individual rights and freedoms of the people in the Union of the States as represented and managed by the Federal government. The Constitution specifically dictates the powers and jurisdictions of what the Federal government can do and what the Federal government cannot do like allowing and permitting the Federal government to maintain a standing army and navy and to control all international trade with foreign nations. The States always have separate jurisdictions and powers reserved for the people in each separate individual State that are not relegated to the Federal government. Because “the Constitution is the Supreme Law Of The Land”, Constitutional Law is dictated to both the Federal government and to the States so both know what powers the State governments are specifically permitted separately in the State jurisdictions and what powers the Federal government is specifically permitted separately in the Federal jurisdictions. What powers and jurisdictions the Constitution does not specifically mention and what powers and jurisdictions the Constitution does not specifically grant or permit to the Federal government are the powers and the jurisdictions that are specifically, separately and exclusively reserved to the people in each separate individual State.

          • Bob666

            those pesky Supreme Court decisions!

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Yes, unfortunately the Constitution does not mandate that brains must be a necessary requirement to be a Justice of the Supreme Court Of The U.S.. Nothing new there.

          • Bob666

            John,
            I am starting to think that you are a sore loser?

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            I am a strict Constitutionalist. The Constitution is only effective when the people’s elected and appointed public servants(not leaders because the people are the leaders who choose their representatives, not leaders) obey and enforce the Constitution. The authors of the Constitution used late 18th Century logic and common sense that is reflected in the direct, simple and very explicit language of the Constitution. The Constitution is not written in some George Orwell type of 21st Century ultra flexible disingenuous, dishonest, unnatural, twisted and distorted witch doctor contortionist “I see the light” moment of revelation, mysterious manifestation or epiphany intellectual acrobatics. The phrase “shall not be infringed” in the Second Amendment simply means exactly what it says “shall NOT be infringed”. Not to be infringed only just a little bit, and not to be infringed only once in a while and not to be infringed on a few rare occasions and not to be infringed in a few rare exceptions. If a violent crime is committed, you do not infringe on, attack and punish the Second Amendment, you punish only the person who committed the violent crime. So I will pay the Obamacare TAX which Obama mistakenly, disingenuously and dishonestly proclaimed is NOT a Tax.

          • Jack

            John Holliday:

            You have a very mistaken idea of what the Constitution and its system of governance actually provides for.

            No matter what you or I or anyone else might think or feel, if the Supreme Court says Obamacare or any other law is constitutional then it is constitutional. If they would have ruled the other way then it would have been unconstitutional. A majority of those 9 people in black robes are the only ones that say whether or not anything is constitutional.

            You state the Federal government only has the powers specifically given to it. Actually, the federal government has all powers not denied it. Things like the “Commerce Clause” and the “Provide for the General Welfare” provisions are extremely broad and thus they are only limited to the extent that the Supreme Court from time to time says they are.

            The powers of states are always limited by the powers of the federal government pursuant to the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2, specifically states:

            “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United
            States which shall be made in pursuance
            thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States,
            shall be the supreme law of the land; and the
            judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state
            to the contrary notwithstanding”

            This means that if a state law conflicts with a federal.

            law then the federal law prevails and the state law is invalid. The Supreme Court has upheld this principal many, many times.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Mr. Jack: You are simply wrong again. Every Supreme Court decision can be reversed again and again which has happened before such as in Furman v. Georgia and reversing the court decision again in Gregg v. Georgia. Roe v. Wade may or may not be reversed, only time will tell. The Constitution clearly delineates exactly what powers and jurisdictions that the Federal government is permitted and what powers and jurisdictions that the States are permitted. There is no middle ground and one jurisdiction cannot infringe on the other jurisdiction. The Supreme Court only has jurisdiction over Federal Constitutional Law or only those laws or statues or powers that the Constitution dictates that are specifically reserved and delegated exclusively and only to the Federal government. The powers and jurisdictions of the Federal government are limited and the powers and jurisdictions of the States are limited which is explained by the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution. Unfortunately the 9 Supreme Court Justices are not GODS and are only human, not infallible, not perfect and are capable of bias and prejudice based on their own personal political ideologies, their own personal philosophical or religious ideologies and or on their own personal backgrounds which may consciously or subconsciously influence their desires to deviate from or even to subvert their prime directive which is to remain 100% neutral, non-prejudicial, objective and unbiased and above all else to remain impersonal and unemotional more of how a cold calculating robot or a computer are programmed to operate. What is Constitutional now may become Unconstitutional at a later time and what is Unconstitutional now may become Constitutional later until there are 100% undeniable and verified facts presented and proven beyond any doubts to the Supreme Court that cannot be contradicted and that cannot be denied and that cannot be disproven as the proven fact that the earth revolves around the sun and that the sun does not revolve around the earth. Many completely innocent people were tortured to death or were burned at the stake for witchcraft and religious heresy simply because of their belief that the earth is not the center of the solar system. Placing too much power in the hands of 9 imperfect humans is very dangerous and very foolish and can have very lethal and very deadly consequences. The Supreme Court must be very ideologically fluid and very open minded because we cannot remain living in another version of the closed minded and ideologically stagnated Middle ages.

          • Jack

            John Holiday:

            The Supreme Court has jurisdiction over any case it chooses to consider.

            Of course the Supreme Court can change its mind. that’s part of the “its a majority of the 9 people in robes and only them who decides what is or is not constitutional”.

            Regardless whether it is good, bad or indifferent, that is the way it is. All the ranting and raving cannot change it.

            I would suggest that you consult some real constitutional scholars and not the right wing know it alls who really know nothing..

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            You are thinking in legal fantasy land. You apparently are attempting to argue or artificially create an argument where there is not really anything to argue about by an irrational attempt to overdramatize known facts. You are partly repeating known facts and partly subverting reality to imply that the Supreme Court is perfect and infallible and will not make mistakes, miscalculations and errors in deciding a case. The Supreme Court can only consider cases that are issues with Federal Constitutional Law and those cases in State Court cases and those cases in lesser courts such as city municipal court cases that have issues with Federal Constitutional Law. That’s it. You seem to have too much faith in a court of 9 imperfect humans and you believe that on some occasions the SCOTUS can and should interpret the Constitution and it’s attached Bill Of Rights to contradict the opposite of the explicit language and mandates of the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. Even the SCOTUS is not above the Constitution and the Supreme Court must never overreach the Federal mandates and the Federal jurisdictions of the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights and that is why the Supreme Court on some occasions will correct itself by reversing some of it’s own court decisions to insure that their own court decisions are Legally and Constitutionally within the Federal mandates and the Federal jurisdictions of the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. The Supreme Court exists only to insure that the Federal government and all State, County, City, Town governments and any and all U.S. Citizens and legal residents, businesses, corporations, non-profit charities, religious groups, churches, educational institutions, publishers, news media outlets, law enforcement agencies, etc., etc. are all equally protected by the Constitution at all times and that they do not violate the Constitution in any way at any time especially considering and judging which Laws are Constitutional and which Laws violate the Constitution. You are arguing where there is really nothing to argue about in some type of overdramatized legal kabuki dance. I know what I would like to say, however, you might take it personally, so enough is said already.

          • Jack

            John Holiday:

            Perhaps you would better be able to address my comments if you read and understood them.

            I never said one word about the Supreme Court is perfect and infallible. l said it is the 9 people in black robes who decide whether or not something is constitutional whether you, me or anyone agrees with them or not – no else has any say.

            I never said anything about having faith in the Supreme Court. In fact with its current makeup I have little faith in the Court.

            You are sadly mistaken that the Supreme Court can only consider cases that are issues of federal constitutional law. I suggest you do a little research. Below is the pertinent part of Section 2 of Article III dealing with the Court’s jurisdiction:

            “The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;–to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;–to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;–to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;–to controversies between two or more states;–between a state and citizens of another state;–between citizens of different states;–between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

            In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make” . .

            You say the “Supreme Court is not above the Constitution … ” In theory this may be true but in reality it is not. If the a majority of the Supreme Court “exceeds the Court’s constitutional authority” who has the authority to make sure a determination and then do anything about it. No one outside of the Court itself – if a case comes before it and a new majority of the
            Court makes a decision overruling the prior decision.

            Your failure to even correctly understand the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction – what it can do – causes the rest of your contentions to also be wrong..

            Again, educate yourself by reading more that just things published by some right wing source.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            I must say that you are only repeating known facts and overdramatizing those known facts as though you are the only person capable of understanding those known facts simply because you have some odd desire to imply that only you know those known facts. The SCOTUS is only mandated to examine, hear and decide any court case before the SCOTUS that involves Federal Constitutional Law. That’s it. You only look silly typing down in verbatim the exact part of the Constitution that you want to be an issue. Anyone could type the exact text of any part of the Constitution. You have simply verified that the SCOTUS will only hear a case that is involving Federal Law itself, a State Law or any local law or ordinance or any issue within a State that may conflict with or contradict or change a Federal Constitutional Law which is in the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS. Federal Constitutional Law does inflict itself in many different ways in many different States, Counties, cities or municipalities, businesses, private citizens etc. Also if Congress makes a determination that a Justice of the Supreme Court has abused the Judicial branch in some way, then Congress can begin impeachment procedures against that Justice, although that has not happened yet and probably that has not happened for the purpose of preserving the status quo for political reasons rather than Constitutional or Legal reasons.

          • Jack

            John Holliday:

            SCOTUS is not mandated to hear a case just because it involves the federal constitution. The Court selects the cases it will hear. Each year thousands of cases petition the Court for review but only a handful are ever selected for review.

            You must have some real comprehension problems. I did not verify what you claim. I totally refuted what you said.

            If you want to know what the SCOTUS is “supposed to do” then you look at the constitution says. You on the other hand want to mock what the constitution actually says and go on with your fairy tale ideas that you heard or read some right winger say.
            .

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Comrade Jack: You absolutely have a hang up about repeating known facts as though you are revealing something unknown to anyone except yourself. You apparently are inflicted with a severe case of Asperger’s Syndrome as you demonstrate an obsession with repeating known facts. The SCOTUS must hear a case that yes is under Constitutional Federal Law or you can say Federal Constitutional Law and is also under Federal jurisdiction as mandated by the Constitution. Federal jurisdiction could possibly be anywhere in any State or even in a private home but all cases must be concerned with the Constitution or Bill Of Rights or Federal Laws or in Federal jurisdiction. Those cases that are not selected are not selected because they are not in the Federal jurisdiction or are not an issue with Federal Law as indicated in the Constitution. The Supreme Court will not be interested in wasting valuable time hearing any case concerning a parking lot in a State Park unless there are legitimate legal issues with the Constitution or Federal Law or Federal jurisdiction. The Supreme Court will decide if a potential case will be an issue with Federal Law or Federal jurisdiction or the Constitution in a case by case basis and not in some blanket Constitutional and Federal Law and Federal jurisdiction coverage for all potential cases. You need to stop drinking and overdosing the Communist/Marxist Anti-Constitution Kool-Aid and get a grip on reality instead of overdramatizing known facts. Even the SCOTUS knows when to keep their noses out of lower Federal Court rulings and State Court rulings

          • Jack

            John Holiday:

            Its quite apparent that you don’t want to discuss reality, you only want to discuss your fantasies.

            You keep saying I am repeating known facts while going on rants about how those know facts aren’t true. It is true I keep stating the facts and you keep denying them.

            Okay smarty pants – provide me the constitutional provision that says the Supreme Court MUST hear any particular case. i will eagerly await your admission that there is no such provision. The Court itself chooses the cases it hears.

            It is amazing how many people will never admit that they were mistaken/wrong. I previously pointed out that you were wrong in your claim that the Court could only hear cases involving a federal constitutional issue. You go on with your rants trying to tell me how things are, never admitting that your original premise was 100% incorrect. While not admitting you were wrong you are now agreeing that the Court can hear cases that do no involve a federal constitutional issue..

            For one last time, the 9 justices on the Supreme Court are the only people who decide what cases they will accept for review. Not you, not me, not Congress, not the President, no one, nada. If they want to consider a case they will do so. If they don’t want to consider a case NO one can compel them to do so.

            Please get a proper education. Doing so will help you make better decisions instead of merely repeating right wing drivel. If you are true to the pattern, I have a better chance of winning the Powerball than you do of ever properly educating yourself.beyond right wing fantasies.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            You can believe or disbelieve what ever fanatasies you want. Frankly it is a waste of my time to reply to your repetitious meandering vibrations about what you believe the Constitution delineates as the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS. You repeated the Supreme Court’s ability to hear a case that involves an issue with the Constitution, Federal Law or Federal government jurisdiction which can be a wide latitude but it does limit the Constitutional or Federal jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. The previous Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court, Chief Justice William Rehnquist, and the current Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court, Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., both recognize and admit that Article III of the Constitution does give the Congress the power to define and limit the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court to hear a case and does give the Congress the power to define and limit the jurisdiction of all other Federal Courts to hear a case. Yes, Congress has limited the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction to hear some cases and yes the Congress has prevented the Supreme Court from hearing some cases. Also the Congress has allowed the Supreme Court an extremely very wide latitude to hear cases. You are a funny person who is trying desperately and hysterically to pretend to be all knowing and all seeing when you are only being an arrogant pompous and petty individual with absolutely no understanding of the limits of the Constitutional and Federal jurisdictions of the SCOTUS to hear a case. The Founding Fathers would consider you to be a LOST CAUSE and so do I.

          • Jack

            John Holliday:

            Its amazing how you keep changing what you have previously said. Here’s a couple of your previous posts:

            “The SCOTUS is only mandated to examine, hear and decide any court case before the SCOTUS that involves Federal Constitutional Law”.

            “The Supreme Court can only consider cases that are issues with Federal Constitutional Law and those cases in State Court cases and those cases in lesser courts such as city municipal court cases that have issues with Federal Constitutional Law. That’s it”.

            You obviously don’t know what you are talking about when you try to discuss the Supreme Court and the Constitution.

            The founding father’s would have found you embarrassing.

            Have a nice life in right wing fairy land.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Clearly you understand absolutely nothing concerning the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. You got caught with your pants down humiliating yourself by misunderstanding your own repetitious meandering vibrations again and again and again and now you are again attempting to hide your obvious stupidity and ignorance. Please stop humiliating yourself. You look pathetic attempting to deflect attention away from your non-intellectual voodoo witch doctor twilight zone misunderstandings of the SCOTUS. You must be typing by candle light from down in your mother’s basement. Get out of your mother’s basement and educate yourself to the 21st Century. I knew you would eventually type a total inaccuracy regarding the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court so I waited for you to type another inaccuracy but I did not expect you to repeatedly type your same inaccuracies again and again and even over emphasize your inaccuracies again and again. I would have no problem assisting you to further humiliate yourself again and again, however I do have work to do and so I do not have time right now to assist you in embarrassing yourself again and again and I do not have time right now to assist you making an ignorant stupid fool out of your self again and again by assisting you to commit more self inflicted embarrassing and foolish humiliations against your yourself. However, I will try to make time to assist you to further commit more self inflicted humiliations on yourself. You are a comedian and a silly foolish clown who enjoys humiliating yourself.

          • Jack

            John Holiday:

            As a true rightee you will never admit you were wrong. You were confronted with your own statements and all you could do is more ranting and raving, ignoring your previous statements nailed you.

            The rightees code of conduct: (1) never admit you were wrong; (2) when confronted with your own statements, deny you ever said them; and (3) lie, lie and then lie some more.

            No need for you to respond with more of your drivel.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            You poor pathetic disingenuous dishonest leftist elitist liar loser. You got caught with your pants down typing more than one inaccurate and untrue statement again and again(I lost count of how many times you cited inaccuracies and untruths). I was deliberately very general and vague to see if you would be more specific and bingo, you did exactly as I had expected. You and I both know exactly what inaccuracies and lies you stated again and again and I will only repeat what you said if that becomes necessary. At the moment you are full of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and more unintelligible blah, blah, blah and more blah, blah. You really need to get out of your mother’s basement and get out into the sunlight for a change.

          • Jack

            John Holiday:

            All you do is make unsupported claims. I posted your own comments as well as the applicable portions of the Constitution.

            Maybe resorting to name calling and disingenuous statements makes you feel big and important. In reality it makes you a little and inconsequential man.

            The only thing that you were deliberate about was your ignorance on the subject You choose to envelope yourself with your delusions and reject honest facts.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            What you are attempting to say is only more blah, blah, blah and more blah, blah, blah because that is all that you are capable of typing from your extremely very limited and very tiny little pea brain.

          • Tony Kennedy

            The supreme Court called obama care a tax. The obama administration argued that it was a penelty. Currently, the obama administration and the dems are treating it as a penelty. Or else, how can they grant tax relief to certain groupes or individuals without congressional approval?

          • Bill

            John.
            Don’t waste your time arguing with the socialists who support a form of government that has killed more people in the last century than any other source

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Bill, I understand you loud and clear. Yes, you are 100% correct. Comrade Smilee is definitely a waste of calories.

          • Bill

            Deer,
            How about a free market capitalist economy instead of your utopian Marxist economy where everyone is poor except for your elites

          • Deerinwater

            well ~ sounds great! Where do I sign up?

            but wait a minute, who is going to make sure that it’s “Free”? Who’s to make certain that ~ conflict of interest ~ and the Con ~ is not being Employed ~

            Is there people that will tell me , not to worry about such things?

          • Deerinwater

            It seems Mr. Holiday does a lot of assuming with a Center of the Universe complex.

          • smilee

            He is just another smart azzed know nothing jerk

          • Bill

            Smilee is just an adolescent, living with his momma. He does not know how to take care of himself

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            The secret is out. Smilee’s momma throws raw meat down the basement stairs to Smilee to keep him alive, nourished and typing on his keyboard down in his momma’s basement.

          • Bill

            Good comment, John
            We need to throw off the chains of the collectivists and let their heads roll. Your time is coming, Smilee

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Bill, I will pay good money to witness that, that is of course if I had any money.

          • Tony Kennedy

            And you think your way is going to keep this nation solvent, smilee? I could care less about you, it is your children and grandchildren that I care about. They are the ones that will have to pay for your irresponsibility.

          • smilee

            You don’t believe in paying the bills we have already made a commitment to pay?? That is the GOP method or threat thereof, pretty stupid, right!!

          • Tony Kennedy

            Not if circumstances have change to where we don’t have the means to pay. Just because I make a pledge to buy an automobile doesn’t mean I have to go through with the deal if I lost my job and no longer have the means to pay.

          • smilee

            This is not a pledge sonny, you have already bought the car and have payments to make! Don’t make the payments you lose the car and damage your credit rating.

          • Tony Kennedy

            No you are wrong sonny, I only made a pledge that I now discover that I can’t keep. I will renegotiate.

          • smilee

            LOL you think you can renegotiate your debts once you take on the debt, What a joke you are. It is not a pledge it is a commitment. Why could not all those with under water mortgages then not renegotiated, people lost their homes,instead .

      • jerry1944

        If they cave is the suicide. We want ppl that fight for the country. You KNOW MEN like T Cruz

        • smilee

          Cruxz has no idea what he is doing, he is dangerous for this country and he is failing now and wise ones will stop him in his own party on this so that should go hard on his credibility of which he really has none

          • Deerinwater

            Ted needs to take a Cruz. somewhere far,far away. ~ and he will with all the money that is being throw at him as he stages this dog and pony show. ~ as he will become just another Michelle Bockman and no longer relevant,

          • smilee

            He is even more dangerous than her so that says he is really dangerous.

          • Deerinwater

            yea, dangerous for the welfare for both the nation and the GOP. While he’s the best thing that has happened to the DNC since Governess Palin.

          • Bill

            Deer,
            So this conservative democrat stuff is just a bunch of crap you are trying to feed us. You are a true progressive in sheeps clothing

          • jerry1944

            OO so you are one of those that help get obambo in office and we really see he hasn’t even a clue whats going on Other than he thinks he is the king muslumm of the country

          • smilee

            Your opinion, it is stupid and just plain wrong, don’t say we your not speaking for anyone but yourself.

          • Bill

            Smilee, And your Marxist buddies are not dangerous for this country?

    • Tony Kennedy

      Never had any doubt. They never have stood for anything. Atleast the old so called leadership in the party have not. They are pork barrelers only. same with the old guard in the senat.

  • 1Reddevil

    Harry Reid must think he is a dictator.I guess he has picked it up from Obama.Everytime I hear that weasel talk, I would like to punch him in the mouth.Birds of a feather flock together.

    • smilee

      MY MY MY

    • Deerinwater

      Harry Reid thinks that he has the votes. The First Chair is calling for a vote. The Honorable Speaker is declining.

    • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

      Harry Reid is a modern 21st Century slave owner and his slaves who are the tax payers are paying taxes on an ever expanding and increasing Federal national debt to keep the Democrat hijacked Federal government, also known as the Democrat Liberal Progressive Socialist Plantation operating at the expense of tax payer slaves.

      • Deerinwater

        The conservative States of Utah and Arizona don’t pay enough taxes to build it own roads.

        • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

          With such small populations in Arizona and Utah compared to much larger populated States like California and New York, how many roads and highways are really needed by the populations in Arizona and Utah?

          • Deerinwater

            Not very many I suspect, ~ but what few they do have ~ you and I paid for. Road and bridge building is not cheap.

            Here in Texas, We had a tug barge hit the bridge spanning the distance between main land and Prada island a few years back ~

            Skipper got caught in a outgoing tide, and it pulled him into it. ~ a 4 year project ~ just to clean up and make right again. ~ Hopeful the Conservative State of Utah does not need such bridges, for if they did , ~ we have to buy them ~ or they’d be left to swim.

  • Lie breaker

    I got a pitch for them how about holding your pay checks until your brains clear try using the poop pill may even work on GOP STUPIDITY in addition to the crap leaving the mouth as well as the butt. Tired of all this …

  • Gerry

    Reid is the rigth hand of Emperor “O”.
    Any questions?

    • Deerinwater

      The Dem’s have the votes to carry , the GOP does not, ~ in a GOP lead House.

      Any Questions?

      I didn’t think so.

    • smilee

      Where did you go to school???

  • Robert Wood

    RIED = GERBER!@#$%^&*()_+

  • Bill

    And the dog and pony show continues

  • Al Chemist

    This crap will continue until the fall of 2014 and the elections. Hopefully, we will have a lot more Conservatives after that. If not….?

    • DavidL

      Sorry to burst your bubble. The Conservative/Republicans are going to get a well deserved beating at the 2014 polls. Why? Because they continue to put the extreme interests of their party ahead of the best interests of the country.

      • Bill

        DavidL
        In your definition, not moving towards Marxism is extreme

        • Deerinwater

          You are misapplying a “label” for what purpose?

          • smilee

            He has no idea why, he just says. what he is told to

          • Deerinwater

            yea, seems so ~ from time to time ~ I call them on it. Left unopposed , they start believing their nonsense,

          • smilee

            They have no idea what they believe or why they believe it!

          • Deerinwater

            pretty much, ~ like a train rolling down the track ~ predictable.

            They believe that they can Steamroller their agenda through somehow by shear force and determination, and screw the salesmanship side of politics.

            This train will come to a stop ~ on it’s own or when it leaves the track. ~ It’s either /or.

          • Bill

            Deer,
            So now you are buddies with Smillee? Any credibility you ever had just flew out the window

          • Bob666

            Bill,
            Other than being a cheer leader for people on the extreme right,
            “that’s a great comment______________”

            Do you eve make a comment with any substance?

          • Bill

            Bobby,
            It is obvious which side you cheer for. So where is your image of you stepping all over people. That is a good indicator of how you treat people

          • Bob666

            Bill,

            “So where is your image of you stepping all over people”?

            Let us remember the first exchange that we ever had was a snakie comment were you suggested that I might be on drugs Bill.

            I generally treat people with more respect than shown to me and that would be true in our relationship.

            As far as the side that I “cheer” for? I would bet that I was a libertarian before you ever heard the term and I left the GOP to do it.

            I don’t cheer for a side Bill-I cheer for concept like freedom and truth as I have the Balls to stand on my own two feet and my exchanges tend to be more on substance than “Wonderful comment Ralph-your just the greatest” .

            when you do this-frequently, You remind me of a character in Star Wars by the name of Salacious B. Crumb

            Darwin is a pretty decent guy and often makes some
            insightful comments-you sir just have to open-minded enough to see and hear them and think about his comments.

            “So now you are buddies with Smillee? Any credibility you ever had just flew out the window”

            Here is a thought for you Bill, maybe you need to “cheer” for the facts and truth rather than a side.

          • Bill

            Bobby,
            That is quite a lot of emotional assumptions you just made while you were tooting your own horn about the facts

          • Bob666

            No Emotion to it Willie,
            Where was I wrong in the facts?

          • Deerinwater

            I keep up with a few here, ~ I find wisdom seems to belong to it’self ~ no body Owns it. ~ Smilee has been known to throw a nugget down.

            To be so predisposed ~ a simple nugget of truth and wisdom is not really that hard to overlook.

            “To behold”, ~ is a personal voyage. ~ for a party of “one”.

        • Deerinwater

          The GOP will take it on the chin for the Tea Party on this deal. ~ while the Tea Party will just disappear, only to return later with a New Name and a new purpose.

          Being a Conservative Democrat ~ I hate to see it happen. We need true conservatives inside both parties today.

          • Vis Fac

            There is no such thing as a conservative democrat. No such thing as a conservative republican either. If you want to revert to our republic I suggest voting for the candidates that want smaller government and adherence to OUR Constitution.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Deerinwater

            There are too , my friend ~ if there were not ~ we’d really be in a pickle

            And when you say ~ “Smaller Government” ~ in what way do you wish it smaller?

            The largest expansions of government have been lead by alleged Conservative leadership if you will take a moment to review history.

          • Vis Fac

            Have you checked all the surplus agencies that have various sub committees that in turn have redundant committees that oversee others. Government is all consuming that finds a way to spend more than it takes in If we pare down all redundancy government would shrink by two thirds. I was closely associated with government and know about these needless agencies and the pork they consume while doing nothing.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Deerinwater

            We all know that such waste exit FR. ~ Killing a few sandmen with a 5 million dollar missiles instead of a rife butt is just as bad.

          • Vis Fac

            It is easier and to sit back and safer to push a button than but boots on the ground. BTDT but why engage in hostilities with those who aren’t a threat? Doing so is a waste period. Doing so without the intent on finishing is a total waste. Doing so and having politicians dictate rules of engagement is plain stupid and a COLOSSAL waste

            Our politicians like to stir the hornets nest poke here poke there until the public gets tired the media gets political and reports disscention among the people the enemy gives the enemy resolve as they see America as being weak giving the enemy resolve because we don’t see things through to the end. Now that’s a PATHETIC waste. Because no only do we incur more unnecessary casualties, we loose our credibility.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Tony Kennedy

            So, Alcada won the war after all. They have destroyed our economy, and divided the people. I would call that a win because by attacking the world trade center it was their intention to destroy the economy and cause distrust in our government.

          • Vis Fac

            No in fact the liberals’ lost the war. Liberals are big at jumping on the bandwagon at first but when things heat up quickly they abandon ship and those they put in harms way for POLITICAL gain.

            Because of one dimensional idiot-ology Al Queda and the world knows the US is a Paper Tiger and that the American public is squeamish when it comes to finishing what ever liberals start.
            Case in Point immediately after Al Queda attacked the WTC the United States was once again UNITED It didn’t take long for the liberal lame stream media to take tactical advantage to promote their political liberal agenda.

            When the liberal demonstrations against the war were reported worldwide Al Queda, the Taliban and everyone took notice which provided resolve to the enemy because Americans are weak and can’t see things through the end, a lesson the world learned from our involvement Vietnam. From then on EVERYONE knew we have no intention of ever winning any conflict. As a result we continue to be on guard afraid of being attacked held hostage by the DHS IRS FBI NSA etc.

            It’s not rocket science just being observant and realistic.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Bill

            Deer, so instead of talking facts, play the blame game and talk politics

          • Deerinwater

            You remove your train robbers off the GOP train ~ and lets’s discuss facts and lies.

            This using of an Ideology to make excuses for spending is no more then a blame game.

            Facts are, ~ the GOP has not been conservative since 1952.

            Facts are ~ it’s always politics ~ and always will be.

            Facts are ~ the Tea Party is not really comprised of monetary conservatives ~ but only social conservatives.

            Facts are, ~ there only exist scant small enclaves through out the world that employment a Libertarian form of government in the world today.

          • laura merrone

            If you expand government, you are not a conservative, whether you say you are one or not…

          • Deerinwater

            Well , that is your definition, ~ which make us never to have had a Conservative administration if we employ it.

          • Deerinwater

            Well , that is your definition, ~ which make us never to have had a Conservative administration if we employ it.

          • laura merrone

            Yes, I agree with you. We have pretty much trashed the Constitution…Now, all we care about are our gov’t benefits and what the gov’t can do for us. So we are all slaves now and I don’t think we care much about “unalienable rights” endowed to us by “our Creator” or anything else. Its the selfish cry of “what’s in it for me?” that rules the day… It would take a huge social upheaval to return to the dictates of the Constitution and I doubt that’s going to happen soon.

          • Bill Fleming

            Why do you turn to the “blame game” what does “who increased the government” have to do with changing course and pushing for smaller government have to do with blame? I really think you come off as petty when you start down that road. Too bad too since you were actually doing okay with your perspective up until that.

          • Deerinwater

            Point taken ~ Bill. ~ good observation!

            I suppose, ~ it comes for being shot at ~ on a regular bases.

            That ~ and just not believing what I’m being told by the Right today.

            Remember, ~ “let’s get the Federal Government off the peoples backs” ~ ???????? I do ~ remember it well.

            That Reagan kept that promise, ~ by slashing and cutting and shifting the tax burden around. ~ leaving Local Taxing authorities to address this shortage by scaling down, raising taxes, and user fees, fines and penalties. ~ it was the middle class and soon to become the working poor that actually paid for this alleged “Less Federal Government”

            That the invested earned dollar rose in value over the labor earned dollar by virtue of a lower taxing rate and did spur investment, ~ this is true, ~ while among those that never found themselves in the position to save, much less “invest” ~ found the following 34 years of earning disparity and disappearing entitlement , where by default, hostile take overs , down sizing , outsources or out-right fraud or thief. ~ so did Reagan really get the Federal Government off the peoples back, ~ or just move some tax liability around in a “shell game” that would require a Philadelphia Lawyer to figure out , who won and who lost. ~

            That after all this slashing and cutting, ~ Reagan was still unable to run inside a budget ~

            To say, ~ “government” ~ encompasses a lot of territory.

            What is it about government, that you would want “small” ~ ?

            I don’t have a problem with “small” ~ or “big” ~ while I have a huge problem with disparity and cloaked intentions.

            That I’ve been fooled before ~ don’t take it personal Bill ~ that I remember ~ who and how that I was FOOLED and i’m not really in a very trusting mood today ~

          • smilee

            Your sour grapes just got more sourer!!

          • Bill

            And more words of wisdom from someone who lives their mothers basement

          • smilee

            Have you ever said anything intelligent?????

          • Vis Fac

            And your feeble responses are becoming more inane

            That is why I OWN YOU

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Bill

            Good advice, Force

          • Tony Kennedy

            Are you saying that the democrat party has conservitives in it? There are no more blue dog democrats.

          • Deerinwater

            You are wrong about that. ~ I’m a Democrat , not a Dixiecrat. ~ It’s meat & potatoes, old boots and 25 year old pickup trucks that make up the life I lead, ~ I offer no excuse for my humble appearance and simple ways.

          • Al Chemist

            Name one Conservative democrat in the Senate or House.

          • Deerinwater

            I would be happy too ~ while you would only shot them down as not being conservative enough.

            If the DNC was comprised of all radical lefties ~ as you suggest, ~ only then might you appreciate my efforts inside my own party.

          • Bill

            Deer, isn’t that an oxymoron being a conservative democrat?
            The democratic party has swing so far to the left that if you call yourself a conservative democrat, your fellow brethren will demonize you and ostracize you

  • Lizard

    John Boehner needs to stand his ground and not lets this Muslim break any more laws or force things on Americans that we do not like or want .. Obama can go to he// Along with his free loading sheep

    • Deerinwater

      Who exactly are these “Free Loading Sheep”?

  • Deerinwater

    The Honorable John B. is beginning to look worried. ~ Maybe it a sour stomach or his scotch monkey has missed it’s feeding-time and giving him a fit.

  • Debbie Hogan Tate

    Tell Harry Reid, on raising the debt ceiling, NO WAY! Kiss the American taxpayers butt because we are done contributing to his greedy fascist hand! Cut the Debt Ceiling! MAKE A BUDGET and Live within your budget, just like the rest of us have to do! No more money to the debt ceiling! LOWER the debt ceiling! Tell Obama his vacations have been CUT from the budget! Cut Funding to NSA! Cut funding to the Middle east terrorists, AQ and MB! Cut funding to the White House and decrease staff !

    Article 33. No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

    Pillage is prohibited.

    Reprisals against persons and their property are prohibited.

    Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a war crime! Time to IMPEACH him is NOW!

    You sir are going to prison. and it can’t be soon enough!

  • Patriot66

    Until we can boot the communists out and repeal “The free healthcare for illegal aliens” the requirement that “strengthens the verification requirements for anyone seeking a Federal subsidy to pay for an Obamacare insurance plan” NEEDS to be upheld without exception. There’s a reason the communists in office have imposed this socialistic medicine upon us in conjunction with attempting to transform12-22 million illegal aliens into legal aliens. All with the ability to get subsidy for this plan from our tax dollars. Without contributing one dime for the benefit. The USSA is in the crossroads, with the socialists starting to gain the advantage by importing millions of totally useless people to our shores.
    Does this concern anyone else???
    I’m glad Congress is finally taking a stand. Although I don’t believe they’ll go through with anything significant. Unfortunately, the American people seem to be happy with mere posturing and idle threats.