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Honoring Our Country’s Flag

October 1, 2010 by  

Honoring Our Country’s Flag

Do you live in a community of flag flyers?  I’m happy to say that I do. Several of my neighbors fly the Stars and Stripes proudly every day of the year. My immediate neighbor has his up shortly after dawn and takes it down solemnly every night at dusk.

But it’s not just my neighbor. On July 4 and then again on Sept. 11 there were flags flying on most of the houses in our neighborhood. One gentleman had an entire row of them running along the sidewalk in front of his house.

How about in your neighborhood; and at your house?  If you haven’t been flying the U.S. flag lately may I encourage you to do so?  You’ll feel better seeing the Stars and Stripes waving bravely in the wind. And so will the other people who see it; or at least most of them, I bet.

I think there may be an age thing going on here. I live in a community of people who are mostly retired. Heck, I’m supposed to be retired myself, but I got so bored after I sold the company I founded, I had to find something to do or my wife was going to kill me. Well, not really. But there are only so many hinges you can oil and light bulbs you can change.

So I took on a part-time job. Then another one. Then a third one. Now I find myself with more to do than when I was working full-time. No complaints, you understand. Writing three columns a week for Personal Liberty — and seeing some of the comments and controversy they stir up — is one of the great joys of my life.

Back to the flag. I’m sure there are many communities where it would be hard to find a flag flying, even on the 4th of July. If you happen to live in one of them I feel sorry for you. And even more for your neighbors; sounds like they may be such poor citizens they don’t even read Straight Talk.

But here’s an idea: Why don’t you try to start a new trend?  Go to your local hardware store and buy a flag and a mount for it. It will only cost you a few dollars. 

Put it up near your front door or on a tree in your front yard. Or on your garage or by an attic window; you’ll know where it makes the most sense.

Then start flying it and see what happens. Every day is a good day to fly the flag, but some holidays are especially appropriate. I’ve already mentioned the 4th of July and Sept. 11. Later this month there’s Columbus Day (Monday, Oct. 11) and Navy Day (Wednesday, Oct. 27). Don’t forget Veterans Day on Nov. 11, or Thanksgiving two weeks later.

By the way, if you would like to have a really special flag to fly outside your home, here’s an idea: Get one that has flown over the U.S. Capitol. You may not know it, but it’s possible to order such flags through your United States Senator. In fact, you can go one better — you can request one be flown on a specific day of the year, such as your anniversary or birthday.

Years ago I got one for my mother that had been flown on her birthday. She was so thrilled, she cried. She had me mount it right outside her front door. We put a spotlight near it so she could fly it at night. (Contrary to what many people think, the U.S. Flag Code says it’s perfectly all right to fly the flag at night, so long as it is properly illuminated.)  Whenever I pulled into her driveway, her flag was one of the first things I saw. And I always felt better when I did.

If you don’t know who your U.S. Senators are (you have two of them), let me tell you how to find out. Just click here for the government website and type in your state. When you do, the names, addresses, and contact information for your senators will appear. Pick one, call his or her office, and a member of their staff will be delighted to be of assistance.

And here’s an extra treat: Your flag will arrive with a certificate from the Architect of the Capitol certifying that your flag was flown as requested. If you mention that the flag is for a special occasion that information will be included on the form. Perhaps you know someone, like my mother, who would be thrilled to receive such a gift. May I remind you that Christmas is just three months away?

Let me mention a couple of other things you may not have known about the proper etiquette for flying the U.S. flag:

  • The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered more slowly. This applies more to raising it on a flag pole than it does to mounting it on your home, but keep it in mind.
  • The flag should never be allowed to touch the ground (or the water, if on a boat). But it is not true that if the flag does touch the ground, it should be destroyed.
  • When a flag becomes too faded to be a fitting emblem for our country, it should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. If you are in doubt how to do this, your nearest American Legion or VFW Post will be delighted to assist you.
  • If the flag is to be flown at half-mast, it should first be hoisted to the peak, then lowered half-way down. It should again be raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day.
  • If you are ever at an event where the “Pledge of Allegiance” or the Star-Spangled Banner is performed, the proper thing to do is to stand at attention with your right hand over your heart. (Servicemen and women in uniform should salute.)  If you are wearing a hat or cap, remove it and hold it in your right hand, with the hat at your left shoulder. If others are not as respectful of the flag during such a ceremony, it is appropriate to remonstrate with them. If you’re at an athletic event when this happens, the ushers should do so.
  • And — I think you knew this — no other flag should ever be flown higher than the flag of the United States. In fact, our nation’s flag should always take precedence wherever it is flown. The only exception to this rule (and it’s not one I’m happy with) is at the headquarters of the United Nations in New York City. There, all country flags are flown equally high, and the U.N. flag is flown a little bit higher. You can guess how I feel about this.
  • Finally, when the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed so that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the ground but carefully removed and folded. Last year I was honored to be invited to the burial with full military honors — including a horse-drawn caisson and 21-gun salute — of a friend at Arlington Cemetery. It was so incredibly moving that I still get goose-bumps remembering it.

By the way, the U.S. Flag Code specifically prohibits wearing the U.S. flag or any clothing based on its design. I know that many people think wearing a jacket, polo shirt, or sweater that consists of the stars and stripes is somehow a demonstration of their patriotism. I appreciate the sentiment but it’s not appropriate. If you own such attire, please dispose of it.

If you are going to wear a lapel pin of the flag or part of it, it should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. I’ve been guilty of violating this one myself. In fact, it wasn’t until I read the Flag Code, in preparation for this article, that I realized my error.

Finally, if you enjoyed this column, please do two things. One, share it with a friend. And two, say a “thank you” to my wife, who suggested it. And she says I never listen to her.

Until next time, keep some powder dry — and the flag flying.

— Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DaveH

    Sorry, but flying a flag kind of reminds me of those right-wingers who like Big Government as much as do the Liberals. Somehow, for me, flying a flag flies in the face of the Individual Liberty that this country once embraced.

    • http://None Ram

      How did you make that connection??

    • Roger Daniell

      Hey Dave,

      Flying the flag has absolutly NOTHING to do with politics. It’s all about being proud of the country that you live in. The respect to those that have given you the right to say what you say any time any where. But most of all it means that you enjoy the FREEDOMS and Rights that you have in this country. OUR Flag represents all that is good and right about this country along with so many other things to numerous to mention here. Patriotism has NO color, NO party affiliation, NO politics. It is a representation of the GREATEST country on the face of the earth that you have the privilege to live in.

      • Red Mitch

        AMEN! To me it also represents the men and women of our Armed Forces who stand ready to defend our rights to be greatful, or to be ______
        (you can fill in the blank).

        • Denniso

          Amazingly, I have to agree w/ DaveH. The people who idolize the flag are often more concerned w/ sybols and appearance rather than the reality and complexity of the country, like flying a flag takes care of everything. Flag waving is essentially meaningless and sometimes harmful,since it can lead to a blind nationalism that is destructive and certainly not helpful in solving our serious problems. Virtually everyone who lives here loves the country and flying a flag has no bearing on someones deep feelings for it. It’s a show and usually not much more.

          • Amy Emerson

            Hey Denniso….you obviously never served your Country as a soldier.
            My father-in-law did and flys the American Flag EACH DAY proudly.
            My Father was an immigrant who became a United States Citizen after many years of waiting. He said America was the greatest country in the world after coming from soviet-ruled Hungary as a child. He said when he walked up the street with his father to school (during that time) that he saw the bodies of his countrymen hanging on poles as an example to promote fear from the Commies. Maybe YOU should go live somewhere else and see if you have ANY freedom like you do HERE IN AMERICA !

          • Denniso

            You have no clue fella…actually most who have fought in war don’t fly the flag since they don’t feel the need to ‘show’ their love for the country. I’m not impressed your father in law served, what’s that got to do w/ you? Nothing.
            My father was in the battle of the bulge and threw a german grenade back out of the foxhole he and his buddies were in…does that mean I’m special because of what he did?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            denniso, your a communist bastard, and thats all there is to it, and frankly, no one in here cares to hear about the baloney you have to say, so just shut your pie hole, until you can come up with something of value. Your doom and gloom is old and worn out, as are your excuses and finger pointing at everyone else except your own party. Your anti American, so I understand your not liking the flag, but not many are like you, and thank God for that.

          • denniso

            Beberoni, thanks for the kind words and constructive comment. It’ll take me a while though to try and find the ‘value’ in your words.
            15 secs, no, I couldn’t find any.

          • Bill


            Go to Saudi, Iran, Mexico or any other Country and allow their flag to touch the ground. In those Countries, doing so will get you the death sentence or a long stretch in their nasty jails. How do I know? Benn there seen that first hand. I do wave my American Flag ever chance I get and yes I do have a flag pole in my front yard and am proud to display Old Glory each and everyday.

          • Pete

            You obviously don’t get it. What a dull life you must lead.

        • Granny Mae

          I fly my flag every day and have for years and so did my father while he was alive. It is a sign of my patriotism, and my belief in this country and all my family member gone before me that fought for the freedom in this country. My people started coming here on the Mayflower and just kept on coming ever since. They came here for a chance at a better life and they never left. They loved this country and willingly gave their lives and limbs for her. They were hard working poor folks that had to pick themselves up and start over many times but they didn’t complain, they just did it ! Old Glory has flown in their yards and draped over their caskets when they passed. For this family she is a sign of freedom and always will be !

      • Christin

        I fully agree.
        Wish your post had been first.

        We are flag flyers in our neighborhood, too.

        And we fly the American flag in the country when we are there even though hardly anyone sees it, but we can… and you’re right, Chip, it does make us feel good.

        Thank you Roger, Chip, and …your wife (smile)

      • Tinwarble

        First, I would like to say HI all!

        Now DaveH, you go a little far with this one. The flag is not a representation of the government, nor is it some type of idol. What the flag is, is a representation of our country.

        The flag represents what is best about our county, it represents liberty, justice & the American spirit. It is no more an idol than the Constitution. The Constitution is the law of the land & the document that secures our liberties & the flag represents those secured liberties. After all, the flag & the Constitution are brothers, they were born nearly at the same time from the same mother.

        When you denigrate the flag, you do more than denigrate the government, you dishonor those that have sacrificed so much to ensure that we have liberties. From the soldiers who suffered through the bitter cold at Valley Forge who looked at the flag hoping for a free country of their own, to the soldier who has thrown himself on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers & comes back in a flag draped coffin. When you compare those who honor & respect the flag to Nazi’s yelling “Heil Hitler”, you spit on the memory of those policemen & firefighters, who with the flag proudly on their uniforms, rushed into 2 skyscrapers to try and save their fellow Americans, even though they knew they might not make it out.

        These are the things that the flag represents, it has no ideology or political agenda, it does not care what color anyone is nor does it care how much money you have. All it does, is fly high to say to everyone that there is a country with people who believe in freedom, liberty & blind justice. That even though we may be flawed, we are in the end a force for good, that when the metal meets the road, we will stand up in the face of evil & that even when our leaders do dumb things or try to push a social agenda, that “We the People” of America believe in “liberty & justice for all”. If that is not a banner that you can get behind, then what, as a libertarian would you approve? If the banner that those, who have bleed & sacrificed everything to provide you with liberty, have stood under does not mean anything to you other than what the government in power represents, then I truly feel sorry for you. Because you will never see the history, honor & yes, even the flaws written upon those stars, stripes & patch of blue.

        • Nancy Williams

          I TOTALLY agree! I ALSO get annoyed when people leave the flag up in the RAIN.

          • Tinwarble

            Actually, if it’s an all-whether flag, you can leave it out in the rain.

            “Most flags sold nowadays are all-weather flags (refer to the packaging). These are permitted to fly during inclement weather, according to the Flag Code.

            The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed. (Section 6-c.)”

            Visit for more info.

          • Jana

            We fly our flag proudly! We do not believe in big Government!
            We have family that has fought for our freedom, and that is what this flag represents, freedom.

          • Denniso

            Jana…we’ve been through this before, but you don’t usually follow up
            on your thoughts. How big is ‘big’ when you say you don’t like big gov’t? Do you realize that the biggest aspects of our ‘big’ gov’t are:

            1. Military spending
            2. Medicare
            3. Social Security
            4. Medicare drug plan

            Tell me which of these you plan to cut in order to create a ‘smaller’ gov’t???
            Do you realize that we have one of the largest countries in the world?
            Do you realize that we have the largest military budget in the world? Do you know that we have the largest nuclear(‘nucular’, Bush)arsenal in the world?
            Do you know that we have the most poor people in the world except for a handful of countries?

            Does it take much thought to understand that we would need a large enough gov’t to manage and deal w/ these aspects of our country?

          • Fed Up

            Deniso, you are a twit! Do you not realize that when you say America has ‘the most poor people’ of any country in the world ‘EXCEPT A FEW’ you are lying? A more correct way to state your idea would be to say we have one of the highest rates of poor prople per capita. Then again, that wouldn’t be true either.
            I guess you haven’t been to the third world lately. I live in Honduras and work as a humanitarian worker. The poor in the USA are NOT poor in comparison with the people here. I would venture to say that MOST of the world’s countries have a lower per capita income among their ‘poor’ and a higher percentage of their population that can be considered ‘poor’ than does America.
            Your statements are exactly the kind of leftist dribble that makes most patriots angry these days. You say half truths in an attempt to ‘prove’ a lie, and THAT only to further your agenda, which is based on lies that are put forth as truths.
            The left has HAD their long coveted chance at the wheel and they have driven us into a ditch. I’m certainly hoping we can pull ourselves out of that ditch, but in order to do that we will have to put all this false agenda BS to the side and think about the welfare of our country and citizenry in light of the truth.
            Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Extremist, Ultraconservative…it really doesn’t matter any more. We have wolves all around us and they are howling with a lust for our blood. We had better start working together and stop lying to ourselves and each other before it is too late. (It may be already…)

        • Claire

          Tinwarble–I agree with what you have posted. Good to hear your common sense too.

        • patrick H.T. paine

          Plus it’s easy to tell your country’s flag, from the government
          one………the government one has 14 stripes, the last is a yellow
          fringe, which borders 3 sides of your country’s flag. State government
          flags are the same, they hang in all courtroom’s, and inside
          government blgds and are prominently displayed at all public events,
          speeches etc. Its meaning is one which hasn’t quite reached the
          consciousness of most “citizens”, and probably never will.

        • Linda

          Sounds like Sarah Palin talking ! I hate to inform you but the majority in this country don’t hate paying taxes, don’t hate those who need help and we don’t hate social programs either. Social programs came about because our leaders back then realised that too many people were going hungry and dying without being able to pay for health care. As the cost of living grew along with the poulation it was no longer acceptable to just let these people suffer when churches, families and neighbors wouldn’t or couldn’t help them.
          Well look at where the cost of living is today and tell me if people could survive without these programs and no help ? Some of you want to see Social Security, Medicare,Medicaid and Disability done away with too ,,tell that to the millions of elderly,disabled, poor and children who would suffer or worse yet die without it .

          • Karlly

            I wouldn’t mind paying taxes if the taxes were used for what they were intended in the first place. I don’t mind giving a helping hand to those who truly need help and not these welfare mothers who have 5-6 children, all with different fathers and who live off welfare and keep having babies to keep getting it. I don’t want my taxes to go to illegal aliens. Let their own countries support them. And I certainly don’t want my taxes to go to foreign countries. We are giving 2.5 BILLION dollars to China every year, yet China is loaning us money (probably our own!!)! Government is WAY TO BIG! These Congress men and women could let some of the interns, secretaries an no telling who else go and do their own speeches and research. Geeze, what a novel concept. Problem is, Congress think we work for them and we actually are. Our taxes are what supports them. We already work until May every year to pay our taxes. Pretty soon we’ll be working all year and the government will be getting the majority of what we make all year long just for taxes to give away to foreign countries who hate our guts anyhow. I say we stop doing that at least and use our tax money here at home. Our seniors, many of them, don’t make even poverty level and they’ve paid in all their lives. My mom gets $880 social security. That is less than poverty level. Give her the money the illegals are getting. They are actually getting better benefits than our senior citizens. What moron in the government decided they were even allowed to get anything???

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The social programs most of us hate, are those that give our social security monies to illegal immigrants. Those that willingly allow, help, and pay for illegals to sneak into the country and have all us tax payers pay the hospital bill for them to be born here. The social programs that give more money to people, that already have 5 children, cant take care of them, then have another one, so that the social handout agencies will give them more money. The social programs that allow people to live all their lives on the public dole without going out and getting a job. And why do you think we all pay such high taxes? To pay for all these social agencies. Its time people stood up and were held accountable for their actions, and not given a free handout as a reward for irresponsible behavior. And taking care of the poor is not the job of the government, it is the job of the church, and if all of us that call ourselves Christians would tithe 10 percent as we should, there would be “food enough for all in the storehouse”, as it is written. Im sick of watching every democrat that comes into office, expand and grow more and more social agencies. I mean come on man. One of the first moves Obama made, was to extend unemployment, expand welfare, food stamps and a few other hand out organizations. Right out of the gate. The more people they can keep dependant on them, the more power they have. And do not forget, as Thomas Jefferson once said, “A government big enough to give you everything, is also big enough to take everything away”. We dont need to go there.

          • BrotherPatriot

            ^^ Beberoni…that above post of yours is…Spot On!!! ^^

          • Bill

            Social Security when orginally started was by law suppose to be put into a seperate account or lock box if you will within the Federal Government and was not supposed to be touched by Congress, The Senate or any other Federal Government Agency. I might be wrong on the date but, I believe it was in the 1960 that a Democratic Congress found a way around the Social Security law and opened the Social Security accounts/box and started shoveling out the funds for other government agencies. They also promised to repay the funds and put the funds back into Social Security. This never happened and the box is still opened for any government agency to use as they please. This is the very reason Social Security is running in the red today. A Democratic Congress that skewed the orginal law and then lied to the American People.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Bill’s post about Social Security, you are right on sir. And Im sick of hearing today, how the “baby boomers” are draining it out because there are so many of them. Did not these same “baby boomers” pour thousands of dollars into this same Social Security for 40 to 50 years each? So where did all that surplus that they poured in there go? The crooked Washington politicians saw that large amount of money, and didnt have the foresight to see that there was a day coming when the baby boom generation would be drawing out the funds they put in, and they stuck their greedy little fingers into it, illegally at that, and now when people like me retire, as Im only 52, there isnt going to be any in there for me to recoup the thousands Ive poured in there. Meanwhile, some illegal alien hack has been collecting it for who know how long, because of bleeding heart liberal politicians. The is the dirty crooked politics we have since lawyers are running things. They are the scourge of society as far as Im concerned.

        • Louise

          Thank you Tinwarble. What you said about our flag and what it stands for is ‘right on’ and beautifully put.

          • Denniso

            The point is not whether a person wears a flag pin or flies the flag,but rather you have the right to try and force others to do it and whether it means you are any more patriotic for the display. We are supposed to be a free people,so do what you want,but don’t disparage those who don’t do the same.

          • Tinwarble

            And you miss the point all together, because no one is trying to force anyone to do anything. It is about showing respect; respect for something that represents those that have fought & died so that people like you can have the freedom to disrespect the symbol of what they fought & died for.

          • Tinwarble

            And thank you Louise for your kind comment.

          • Denniso

            You have selective vision, apparently. Look up above and see the people condemning Obama for, what? NOT WEARING A FLAG PIN! The rightwingers all over the country were blasting him for not wearing one…is that not trying to force conformity to do what some think he should do to show patriotism? You’re not being intellectually honest, and I suspect you know that. You can’t force a show of respect on others based on what you or anyone else thinks is proper…I thought you rightwingers loved ‘freedom’???

          • Tinwarble

            As I said you miss the point. It is not about Obama NOT wearing the flag pin, but why he refused to NOT wear the flag pin. He did so as a protest, & I will not defend the CHOICE of those either on the right or the left to use the flag in that manner, though I will & have defended their FREEDOM to do so. Just as I don’t condone flying the flag with the union down, and I have told those that have suggest that to me that it is not the proper use of the flag, but that is more out of not knowing why you don’t do that rather then being disrespectful.

            You speak of being intellectually honest, but can’t seem to distinguish between the freedom to do something & doing what is right. I condemn the choices of those who wish to show disrespect to the flag, but I do not infringe on their freedom to do so. My condemnation is also an expression of my freedom and there is your honesty. If you hear of someone doing something like the lefties do, when they go and take someone’s flag down; and you hear of someone putting up a flag on someone’s house that doesn’t want it or putting a flag pin on someone without their consent, then you can tell me about how “right-wingers” don’t care about freedom.

            Also, to be “intellectually honest”, it is not freedom that we “right-wings” embrace, but LIBERTY. And as Edmund Burke said:
            “But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.”

          • Fed Up

            My goodness Denniso,
            Of all the comments I have read so far, it is YOUR stuff that appears to have the least anchor in reality. Did you even READ Chip’s article? Nowhere in it did he EVER say you MUST fly a flag. Nor did he even mildly suggest we should FORCE anyone else to fly a flag. He RECOMMENDED the flying of a flag for those who wish to do it. His stated reason is that it to “see what happens”. He then went on to talk about flag etiquet and shared some useful information about flying a flag.
            Don’t fly a flag if that’s your personal preference, Denniso…but don’t try to belittle those who DO fly one, or their reasons for doing so. They have their reasons and I don’t think there’s any way you could even know what those reasons are, let alone criticize them.
            You are the one trying to FORCE your opinion here. This article was well received by most of the readers who commented. That means that this comment forum is, obviously, in favor of flying a flag. You’ve been outvoted, overruled and sidelined. Your comments are not appreciated, nor will they be heeded. You have the right to express your opinion, but might I suggest you do so in a more liberal forum? What you’ve done can be compared to walking in to a dog kennel wearing a cat costume. How can you expect to be welcomed?

        • Meggars53

          Tinwarble – From someone who spent the majority of his adult life serving this great country sailing the seven seas, I must thank you for such a perfect description of what this country is all about. I traveled the globe for many a year, and every time I would come home and the ship would moore pier side, I thanked the good Lord above for coming home to the greatest nation the world has ever known. As you stated, we have flaws, but flaws that can be corrected. We have some many freedoms and have opportunities that no other country can match. If other countries did, no one would be trying to get here.

          I fly my flag out of respect for what this country stands for and for those that have given their lives for our freedom. Sadly there are only two on my street that fly their flag with me. The rest never fly the flag-ever. That saddens me greatly.

        • WARTOOH

          I agree with a lot of the comments, including Dave’s and Denniso. I think it’s time to take back our flag AND our country.

          As to the people that constantly talk about how FREE America is, you’re crazy and not paying attention. The United States has more people in prison than any other country in the world, including Communist organ-snatching China. Our president has said it’s okay for our govt. to execute citizens without a trial, without any reason, except that the govt. thinks they’re a threat! Just execute them on the street! Exactly WHAT, WHAT, WHAT is so free about this country? This is an electronic Nanny state with a lot of ninnies living in it who think just talking about freedom and flying the flag will make everything okay.

          • Pete

            Well go out and try to find a country more free than this one. And if you don’t appreciate it, get the hell out! But stand by, with the current administration it’s bound to get worse. Get a life.

      • ruth

        so true, so true.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I would have to say in response to denniso’s comment about wearing the flag and such, that if you refuse to acknowledge the flag denniso, and are against wearing it, showing it, flying it, etc., then seriously, you need to get out of this country. Because this is America, and the flag represents America and the freedom’s we have. One of them is allowing dirty rotten jerk anti American idiots like you to roam around free here. And you spit on it, and the rest of us dont take to kind to that. And there will be a day of reckoning, when what people like you do, is recognized as wrong again, and you will be dealt with, and righteously so. I hope your prepared when that comes, because it cant get here soon enough.

          • denniso

            Calm down Beberoni, you’re going to blow a gasket.Your radical and extreme nature is showing and it’s not flattering. What I’ve said is that neither Obama nor you should be condemned for not wearing a silly flag pin or not flying the flag. Anyone can fly a flag…nazis,morons, and it doesn’t mean a thing. It’s nothing more than a symbol and can’t on it’s own mean true love of one’s country.

            I no more spit on our flag than I would guess you do. The important thing is to live a life that is helpful and supportive to the people of the country…flying a flag does nothing, people do things that are positive or not.

            And you can’t wait until we might get rid of free speech that is protected by the constitution(that you pretend to love),so that those who could care less about the flag as a symbol can be chased down?
            Sounds like you are hoping for a resurection of Nazi Germany.

          • WARTOOH

            We should all be flying the flag, but FLYING IT UPSIDE-DOWN as a sign that the country is in distress and needs help. If you see somebody flying the flag of our country upside-down you shouldn’t insult or assault them, but salute them b/c they know what’s going on.

    • CherylB

      I feel very sad for the thousands of men and women who have given their lives in the name of freedaom so you can utter such garbage. If that’s the way you truly feel about our flag, please find another country to live in.

      • DaveH

        It is people like you who blindly follow Big Government wherever it leads them that have ruined this country. And now because a person believes in the individual liberty that benchmarked this once great country, you say he should leave?
        No, Cheryl, it is you Big Government Sycophants that should leave, so the rest of us can get our Liberty back.

        • Brenda

          You seem to be very confused about who likes Big Government. It is not the conservatioves who want it but the liberals. This should be obvious since the liberals are in control and the government keeps growing. Yes, conservatives do tend to be more patriotic because the democrat party wants us to be more like Europe which I believe we fought a war to get away from. They are the ones trying to take away your rights, liberty and freedoms for which so many people died.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Good job, Brenda. Well said.

            It’s about being proud of America. It has nothing to do with politics. It’s the belief in American exceptionalism. This belief transcends the secret meaning of the #13 that is implied by the people who control America…the 13 colonies, the 13 arrows in the eagles/pheonix claws, the 13 steps of the pyramid…etc. The American experiment is a success due to the patriotic support of her people and backed by the moral fiber of what is right in the eyes of God & supported by her people.

            To help summarize…I’m learning abit about computers. One of the things is knowing what a baseline is. One definition of a baseline is: a basic standard or level; guideline: to establish a baseline for future studies.

            That said, I believe I would be correct in saying that America doesn’t have a TRUE baseline because everything has been warped since the beginning by the group of social degenerates who have been running our country. They have this power due to their attempts to control our money…which we now know was eventually successful by establishing the 3rd central bank, the Federal (not) Reserve (not America’s reserve). This control of the money leads to the control of everything else. Everything is warped. It’s truely unfortunate to come to this conclusion but it’s one I feel is correct. Of course there are somethings in which a baseline is there…but to the greatest majority and concerning some very important topics…there is no ability to create a baseline due to the corruption that is in most of the highest positions of authority in our land. This trickle down effect corrupts and warps the baseline.


            P.S. I still love our flag even though I know much of how & why it is the way it is. As I said, the symbology of it has transcended the secret meaning and has become something that people of good heart can look upon with pride.

          • Vicki

            There IS a baseline. The Constitution itself.

            Citizen – ‘Sir, what have you given us?’
            B. Franklin -’A Republic Ma’am, if you can keep it’

          • Linda

            Wrong party Brenda ! Maybe if the party of no decided to do some work in Washington then more could get done. Conservatives believe in welfare alright ,,welfare for the very rich .Well my friend if you think Big Corp can handle running our country better than We The People then by all means your voting on the right side. Dems aren’t perfect but they sure don’t hate the middle class and the working poor the way Republican’s do with their tax cuts for the very rich and wanting to stop people who lost their jobs from getting unemployment. Republican’s are the party for the heartless and mindless .

          • Tinwarble

            Oh, Linda you are so confused. Yeah, the Dems don’t believe in corporate welfare do they, just bank bailouts, car company bailouts, pushing an agenda so that their buddies like GE can make a lot of money from “Green” products.

            And if you think that the rich actually pay more taxes when there is a tax increase, then you are as daffy as a duck. Those taxes are passed along to the in the price of the products you & I buy which the are made by the companies the the rich own & they will not hire more people or they will lay off people. So who do you think is really hurt by tax increases on the rich.

            I’m glad the Repubs are the party of NO. No tax hikes, no to Obama-Care, no to socialism, NO, NO, NO. This country could use a lot more NO’s, letting people live off the dime of others never made anyone get off their rear ends to make something better of themselves.

            As Ben Franklin said:
            “The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty”

          • Denniso

            I’m not surprised that DaveH is confused, as are most of you, but it is nice to see you rightwingers fighting…keep it up!

            DaveH thinks that it’s big gov’t trying to force people to fly flags and wear stupid,little flag pins, when it’s the rightwingers who are trying to make it a mandatory display of blind patriotism. It is meaningless because flying a flag doesn’t actually ‘say’ anything at all. There are plenty of total idiots and wackos who advocate violence who fly the flag, what does that ‘say’? It takes NO thought at all to stick a flag pin on or wave a flag. NONE…

            Like I said below…the nazis and there supporters were the finest flag wavers ever, and they forced it on people. Is that your model for America?

          • Denniso


        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          to me the flag is the symbol of what we are fighting to preserve, in spite of Big Gvt. The flag was ours long before these megla maniacs took control.The flag represents freedom and a free people, not the tyranny and serfdom proposed by Big Gvt. progressives. Remember when BO refused to wear a flag lapel pin? He claimed he was a citizen of the world.

          • StevieP

            Remember when the dipwad was photographed with his hands folded in front of him during the National Anthem while Hillary and the other people on the stage all had their hands over their hearts as is accepted protocol? God, I so wish Hillary would have won the Presidency over this azz clown we have now. And I am not a Hillary fan by any way, shape or means.

          • BrotherPatriot

            This is for StevieP…

            Hillary wasn’t allowed to win…she left onna secret meeting on a plane with Obamma and some Bilderberg type people. Soon after she withdrew her nomination for the Democratic slot. However, that said…if she had won over Obummer…I believe McCain would have beaten her in the polls…if the votes werent tampered with/rigged for her.

            That said…McCain is also a traitor to the UN/CFR/TC/Bilderberg people so howmuch better would things be? I dunno…we can only speculate.

            I think we can all THANK Obummer for helping to awaken so many of us to the truth of what is going on in the world. God has a plan and things do work out for a reason…even if it seems everything is chaotic. I truely revile what is happening but due to the political moves & body actions of Obummer…he did help us all begin to open our eyes to what has been allowed to go on for far to long. Vote this November because the future of America depends on it!

            God Bless!

          • spike

            Then let him go govern the UN and leave us the he** alone!

          • ruth

            i saw when the so called prez would not even look at our flag or pledge to the american flag, i knew right there and then that this muslim was not for us. he is sure proving it now, if only the fools of this country could hear and see that.

          • Jana

            You are so right. I saw that too. It was very disgusting!

          • Denniso

            I guess that to BrotherPatriot, everyone is a ‘traitor’. I again get amazed at the absurd and childish comments here. You are in dire need of some help w/ your education and thinking, as it’s clear that you have neither one.

        • ChuckL

          Your attitude if followed by everyone in this country would result in our being taken over by Somalia, or any other Theocracy in the world. Please leave and take the Obamas and all of their friends with you. We would have no defense, and no reason to have a defense. Of course Usama bin Laden would really like that situation. You however, might find it somewhat disconcerting.

          Ideology without reality is NOT defensible.

          What is really unacceptable, though, is that you disparage those who fought in defense of the flag of this country and the country itself. You have the right to hold and expound your incorrect ideas because of those heroes. They are American Patriots, whereas you expound simply taking without contribution.

        • rwnut

          DaveH must have just made a trip to his main connection.He’s smoking that good sh-t today! Have another toke Dave and burn another flag!

          • rwnut

            Chip Wood and wife…thanks and keep it flying patriots!

        • Tony

          Dave, Your such a lonly guy, thats what happens when your stuck in the “Left Wing” Bet you spit on the Flag and us Military too. You are a nobody abd you know it.

          • JeffH

            Tony, you couldn’t be more wrong!

          • Denniso

            Poor DaveH, under attack from his rightwing allies. They don’t like it when you don’t follow along nicely…

        • usmadgirl

          Hey DaveH,

          Haven’t been here in awhile until today (thankfully, because I’ve had lots of work, sadly, it’s mostly foreclosures & that might end soon with BOA & a lot of other lenders stopping foreclosures on those that “Bawney Fwank” insisted should have homes that couldn’t afford them) & if you’ll notice, your comment even brought “Tinwarble” out of hiding!

          I have to ask, “Who peed in your cornflakes today”? I’ve rarely read comments like this from you! Aren’t you the one who told me I shouldn’t talk down to people or name call unless personally attacked?

          The flying of our flag has nothing whatsoever to do with BIG GOVERNMENT! Are you serious or were you just opening a can of worms?

          The flag represents the Liberty we were SUPPOSED to have endowed by our Creator & the release from tyranny, NOT Big Government! It’s a symbol of the beginning of the greatest country in the world & of all the lives that have been sacrificed since for our Liberty! Just because the progressive Big Government has been, until now, slowly taking away our Liberty & now, this administration has revved it up to hyper-drive, is not the fault or the representation of our flag.

          The flag represents the idea of the founders & the people of the nation NOT the government. The country & the government are two separate entities – or at least they were until these dictating thugs took office & started running everything! But, again, that’s not a representation of the FLAG! I don’t think about the GOVERNMENT when I still get teary eyed seeing the flag waving & hearing the “Star Spangled Banner”!

          The flag is more beautiful to me now than ever, because for the first time in my life, I’m beginning to relate to the tyrannical government the original settlers were trying to escape! But DaveH, we have nowhere to escape TO!

          • Jana

            Good Job usmadgirl,
            This doesn’t sound like the DaveH we all know and respect.

          • azsequaya

            I believe it`s the tyrannical POLITITIONS that are ruining OUR COUNTRY, WE THE PEOPLE are the TRUE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Hi Jana,

            Thank you! And no, it doesn’t sound like DaveH. He’s usually a lot more rational! He KNOWS that none of us (the common sense Conservatives) want Big Government!!! Our flag doesn’t represent Big Government! It represents the people!

            And yes, I know that SOME of the people voted for politicians who ARE Big Government, but I didn’t (except for McCain & that was because he was the lesser of 2 weasels & because Sarah was NOT for Big Government so I had no other choice)!

          • usmadgirl


            You are absolutely right! We The People are SUPPOSED to be the TRUE GOVERNMENT & have been for some of the time since our Constitution was adopted, but the PROGRESSIVES have hijacked the rights of the people to govern several times over the past century. This radical, criminal thugocracy is on the ‘fast track’ of eliminating ALL our rights & is ‘breaking the sound barrier’ in completely destroying every aspect of this country as we’ve known it, in order to finalize their agenda of “Social Justice & Global Government”! They don’t care about the “globe” or “justice” for anybody! It’s all about the money & power…period!

            We the people have every right to charge the entire bunch with treason! I just wonder what we’re waiting for! Are we waiting for them to finish us off, because if we do, it’ll be too late?!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Spot on…girl! I agree…seemed someone did piss in DaveH cereal. Your replies are all very well made & correct. The US Flag is indeed…very beautiful and comforting to me. It doesn’t stand for the government or the people that currently hold it and are doing so many illegal things behind our backs & in front of our very eyes…it stands for the American Dream and for the belief in what is right and proper that Patriots yearn to have. It stands for all those that gave their lives for us to have all that we have had down through the years…and it stands for what is supposed to be right. For what we have in our hearts and what indeed…many of us may just have to die for again. God…I pray not. I honestly pray we don’t have to go there…but when you look at this world and all that is going on…the writing on the wall screams that we are heading towards what Nazi Germany became…and that, that I will not stand for without giving my all to stop.

            And in that…I KNOW I dont’ stand alone!

          • Denniso

            You’re going to stop a march toward nazism all by yourself? And you’re wrong, the flag does represent the gov’t because the gov’t is the people. And, 1/2 or so of the people are liberals and moderates…the flag represents us too.

          • Tinwarble

            Demsho, once again you show how obtuse you are. The government isn’t the people, it is only supposed to represent the people’s interest, which it doesn’t. And flag has no politics, you have a lot to learn.

          • Denniso

            I wonder who you think is in the gov’t and who runs it on a daily basis? Illegal aliens? Martians? The gov’t is made up of American citizens and run by American citizens. Certainly sometimes citizen groups do political battle w/ ‘the gov’t’ such as civil rights groups, ACLU,peace activists, but that doesn’t mean that the gov’t is not the people. It is…

          • Tinwarble

            This is were you show how obtuse you are. Being run by citizens, does not mean that it is the people. There are companies that are run by citizens, does that mean that it is the “People” too. As I said, the government is supposed represent the people in matters of the state, that does NOT mean that it is representative of the “People”. If you think that someone who looks at the government should be able to tell what kind of person you are, then you are in a lot of trouble. Although, you and the government do seem to have the same reasoning.

          • usmadgirl


            Thank you for your kind words & your comment is “spot on”! Unless God allows us to take this country away from the control of these EVIL “drug-fried” radical “left-over hippie” Progressives, I’m afraid we’re on the path of permanent destruction & I just don’t see most conservatives letting that happen without resistance!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Dave, your wrong on this. Because I proudly wave the American flag, means absolutely nothing about big government. I hate big government. I fully recognize it as the source of our problems in this country. I am an American, and I proudly wave this flag in honor of those who fell before me, first gaining our independance from Britain, and for all those who fell in the World Wars protecting freedom, and those who fight to maintain our freedom, of which I was one of them in my youth. Flying this flag means nothing at all, and I mean nothing at all, about big government, nor following and supporting big government. It means nothing about left or right or middle. It means I am an American, and I love the freedom’s I have living here, that others gave all for. To insist otherwise is an insult to all who gave all that we might be here free today, so I say shame on you Dave for having lived here all your life, and not embracing it as so. No, it has nothing to do with big government. I say shame on them also, as they are a big threat to the flag themselves. They are the ones that are going to make it cease to fly one day, so no, the two are as different as can be, and you surely should know that.

          • denniso

            Seriously, what is big gov’t? What parts of gov’t would you get rid of that would substantially reduce the overall size and budget of our gov’t? What freedoms have you lost due to this ‘big gov’t’?

            And, how small a gov’t couls we realistically have and still deal w/ a large country,a nuclear arsenal,CIA,FBI,terror threats,modern industry and finance?

            Has it occurred to you that we have the size of gov’t that most people have voted for over the past century and more?

          • Tinwarble

            What is big government. Really! Have you been living under a rock? How about a government that picks winners & losers by bailing out certain company’s, how about a government that forces banks that don’t want bail out money, to take it anyway. How about a government that bails out auto companies instead of letting them fail if that make bad business decisions or a government that passes a bill that punishes you for not buying a product. And how about a government that thinks it knows better than the people that it is supposed to serve. That is big government.

            And what would we get rid of. Well, how about we start with getting rid of TARP, auto bailouts & the Health Care bill. Then we can get rid of social programs like welfare (you can include corporate welfare in that), privatizing social security by allow people to invest in their own retirement programs & pretty much everything that the Constitution doesn’t give the government the right & power to do.

            And what freedoms have we lost. Well how about the freedom not to have insurance and not be punished for it. How about not having the freedom to use the products that we want to use because they are being made illegal (ie: incandescent light bulbs becoming illegal in 2012). How about making it illegal to have salt on the table in restaurants or not having the freedom to buy things with as much sugar in it as we like. These are just a few of the freedoms the government is taking away, there are many more.

            And yes, you are right about one thing. We do have the big government that we voted for, although, I would argue that much of it is done by those that said one thing to get elected and then forced their ideals down our throats once they are in office. But then, that is the point of what is happening now, it is an attempt to amend what has been done & bring about a smaller government.

          • Denniso

            I’m a liberal and me and others have railed against the insurance mandates since they were discussed. It was a deal made w/ the insurance co’s to get them to agree to cover everybody…bad deal,since the co’s fought the plan anyway. It will not stand as it will be determined to be unconstitutional and there will be a change that improves the law.

            How can anyone in this economy still talk privatising SS? Imagine the carnage if most people had all of their retirement $ in the market of the last 2 yrs. And we’re not out of the recession yet.
            The very reason for gov’t run SS is to be immune to extreme market swings and not go back to people dying on the street or living on dog food. Check out the record before FDR instituted SS.

          • Tinwarble

            Oh yes, we can’t privatize SS can we. Let’s just keep on with a already bankrupt system, a system that is has no money in it because the government has spent it all on their own agenda’s and is being funded by borrowed money from China. So instead of some people not having money in their later years, we all are going to be broke because of the mounting debt.
            The only reason the market is in the shape it’s in is because of the actions of the government any way. Letting the Fed continuously print money back by nothing but air, the actions of Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae (and their actions still). By bailing out the banks, car companies & pretty much anyone they determine to be to big to fail. If not for these things the market would have bounced back along time ago & people’s retirements would be secure. Also, if the money that was given to the government, to spend on everything but SS, was in the market, it would have helped the market recover since investment is what drives the market up.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Ok Denniso, since you cant figure it out, here is what you can get rid of in big government, and this is just a start. There are thousands of others that need to go also. 1. The Department of Energy. This was started by the great Jimmy Carter, as an agency to wean us off our dependance of foreign oil. Now all these years later, we are using more foreign oil that ever, and paying for some 260,000 Department of Energy workers, plus another 100,000 contracted out through the department of energy. Since they didnt do what they were started for, and we survived before their inception, lets get rid of this clear waste. 2. The IRS. It costs us billions of dollars to fund the IRS. Eliminate income tax, go with a straight sales tax, and eliminate the IRS. 3. Do we need separate corporate offices running the CIA and the FBI? Consolidated them under one envelope, where they are basically one agency, and get rid of the thousands of government red tape jobs that keep things from getting done. 4. Eliminate the 260,000 dollar a year pensions that anyone gets for serving two terms in congress. This is rediculos. Why are they paid more after they retire, for their entire life, than they were when working? Stupid, stupid, stupid. That would save billions. 5. Stop the madness with making welfare and food stamps a way of life. Light a fire under these peoples butts and get them back to work and stop living off of handouts. Stop rewarding people for having more and more children that they cant take care of and afford. The billions we pay for running these social programs, along with the millions we pay people to run these organizations is crazy. There are thousands more denniso, but here is a good start. And just these few Ive mentioned, we are paying thousands and thousands of people some hefty salaries for this work that needs eliminated.

      • spike

        AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

    • John Demello

      Hey Dave, One can only sit and stare at that load of garbage you wrote. It is possibly the most ignorant comment I have read this year. If you’re not proud of being an American and flying the greatest Flag in the World, no matter your political ideaology, GET OUT!

      • DaveH

        The Garbage is the personal attack coming from a Big Government loving Liberal. You are the kind of person that has ruined this country. Don’t fancy yourself a patriot. You are no more patriotic than the masses in Germany who shouted “Heil Hitler”.

        • S.C.Murf

          Dave, you don’t want to fly the flag that’s fine but how in God’s name does one who likes to fly it mean that they are big gov. or liberal or anything else except patriotic. You have so much hate, maybe you need to get down on your knee’s and ask for a little help.

          • Richard

            S.C.Muff: The American Flag holds a special place for Americans above and beyond that of the flags of anyone else on earth. The flags of most countries in Europe do not hold the same reverence or meaning to their citizens that our flag means to us. Dave is a decent guy but he has not yet been convinced of even the existence of God so how could he fully understand what the flag means to those who have fought for what it represents and often died for what it represents. Give him time. None of us got to where we are in a year or a decade.

          • usmadgirl


            I haven’t been on this site for over a month, but you are obviously new to the site; so welcome to all the insanity!

            Just to let you & some of the other NEW people on the site know, DaveH is NOT a liberal/progressive! He’s a die hard Ron Paul supporting Libertarian (too close to anarchy for me) & an atheist (way to scary for me), but he’s not a bad guy, very smart & despite his being an atheist, usually takes up for Christians on this site when progressive loons bash them. He just has this one WAY wrong! We just continue to pray for him because he’s our friend! See my comment from earlier today, because I have to work 20/7 for a living & don’t have time to be on here any longer today!

          • JeffH

            usmadgirl, my sentiments also.

          • usmadgirl

            Hi JeffH,

            Have you missed all my long, detailed comments? I’ve missed you guys & gals!

          • JeffH

            usamadgirl, always glad to have you back.

          • Vicki

            There you have it. We do not know for sure which DaveH wrote the lead comment.

          • usmadgirl

            DaveH & Vicki,


        • Larry

          Dave, when you leave please take our Big Government with you. We need about 50 good men, and start over again. Where can we find them ///

          • spike

            YAY, LARRY!!!!

        • Tony

          I’m sure you meant to say, “Heil Dave”

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I’m not gonna bash you as I think I understand what you are trying to say. Guys, you need to remember that EVERYONE here has a right to their opinesand I will and have defended that right! I will defend that right even if I don’t agree with the opinion the person is trying to bring forth. That, I think, is what our founders were trying to express when they helped give birth to this, the greatest of countries! Remember guys, the next opinion YOU express may well be the one the majority disagree with! It may not be a popular thought I’m expressing but I believe it is the correct one!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Hi JoeH,

            I just told JeffH & the same goes out to you, I’ve missed you guys! Did you notice that DaveH’s comment brought “Tinwarble” out of “hiding”? There goes my working partner again!

            I should be working, but I’m just burned out! I’ve got to let my brain rest for a little while & argue with progressives (or Libertarians in this case). We’ve been really busy & completely stressed out. Our customers want their title searches back in 24-48 hours, but they’re all long difficult CRAP & I’m about to lose it!

          • Claire

            usmadgirl–Your common sense has been missed. Hope you are back for a good long while.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Mad Girl,
            Delited to see you back and yes you have been missed!!! don’t let the blahs get you too far down, we need you here!! Take care gal!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats it. I dont think this is DaveH writing this trash. No way. Ive read his educated comments too many times, and I find it hard to believe that this is really DaveH. Im thinking we have an imposter here people, someone using his name to insult him.

    • spike

      That’s about the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard. The flag is the only part of this whole discussion that simply says: I represent AMERICA, AMERICANS, AND I have NO party affiliation whatsoever. My sole agenda is to symobolze the freedom of people who died to preserve it. I do not belong to Obama, Bush, or any President. I show that to every man, woman, child who cares to respect my presence that there is Hope. Hope for Liberty, Hope for freedom, and Hope for the Republic for which I stand. Amen.

      • DaveH

        No, Spike, the Flag is just a false idol. So many people think flying a flag is patriotic. Rather it is just a symbol for the Big Government masses to rally around as they blindly allow more an more growth of the Big Government machinery. The Government Leaders love you. Baa-a, Baa-a.

        • http://PLD TomD

          Betsey Ross had a flag company

        • spike

          Bulls**t, Dave.
          The Flag is only an IDOL if someone worships it. Even Isreal flys a flag. You are a little warped, Dave, Sorry. It is a symbol, SYMBOL, not and IDOL. We ask that one stand and respect it, is all. Not bow down and worship it. THE DEVIL IS A LIAR, HE’S THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHEREN, and I think he’s in your thinking. You need to straighten your thinking out …have you thought of asking God’s help? He’s not an Idol, either.

        • Tinwarble


          I’m not sure what your problem is with the flag, but what’s next, if someone says they respect the bald eagle because it’s a symbol of America, they are bird worshipers?

          And don’t you think that it’s a little hypocritical for an atheist to accuse others of idolatry?

      • DaveH

        And by the way, Spike, those people aren’t dying for Freedom. They are dying for the Military State. They are just pawns in the Big Government World Chess Game. The soldiers have been giving their lives in vain around the globe for nearly 100 years. Are we freer now? Hardly. While you sheep have been cheering for your “team”, the Government has grown out of control.
        I very much appreciate the sentiment of our soldiers, but they are just being used.

        • spike

          Since there is no draft, at present, DAVE, I think if they’re ‘BEING USED’ it’s with their concsious consent. I don’t know who or what you worship. However, even the God I worship called men to war when necessary, and Proverbs says “a time for peace and a time for war”. As for a Military State, I doubt it…not til the Anti Christ reveals himself, most probably. You don’t have to believe as I do, but don’t smear my flag and my country. I mean this with respect: you’re just ignorant. Ignorant means you just don’t know better. I choose to believe you aren’t an ass**le, just a little un informed.

          • Kinetic1

            There may not be a draft, but the economic situation drives a lot of young people towards the military and the recruiters are ore than happy take advantage of the situation. Many is the soldier that felt compelled to join and fight after 9/11, only to be deployed over and over again. More and more of these men and women are stepping forward to confess that they were duped. There may not be a draft and I sure wouldn’t want to see our kids dragged off to war, but at least the draft was honest.

          • Tinwarble


            Actually, although some do join because of economic reasons, most join, as I did, because they want to sever their country & they want to be a part of something greater than themselves.

            You can’t buy the honor & patriotism displayed by our troops, nor can you purchase bravery or valor. These are things which someone has to have in themselves, & can’t be bought & is usually the driving force for them to join.

          • Tinwarble

            I was just informed by my better half & the “word police” that I misspelled something. That should have been “SERVE” not “SEVER”, sorry for that.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          So now you say our soldiers gave their lives in vain to stop Hitler and his march of hate? That is the biggest hate filled lie I have ever read in my life. You should be ashamed of yourself. Shame, shame, everybody knows your name. I still think this is an imposter using the name of DaveH.

          • usmadgirl

            Hey Beberoni,

            I think that’s right. Tinwarble logged in as “DaveH” & as “Liberty Train” to prove that an “imposter” could pretend to be whomever they choose. We need to have our user name assigned to one person only so others can’t use it!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I love my country and freedom for which it stands. I love my flag, as it represents the bravery of those who fell defending this country, and for the freedom we experience because of this. I hate and abhor big government. The two are two separate entities. This flag I fly has nothing to do with big government. Big government are the very ones that shame this flag and shame this country and shame its people. WE THE PEOPLE are this country, and this flag represents us and our liberty and freedom. It does not represent big government. You sir are mistaken. And there is a Lord Jesus Christ. I know. He has revealed Himself to me and He lives inside of me as He does in many of us. If you knew that, you would surely see that this flag you are professing your hatred of, does not stand for big government. It stands for the very freedom that allows you to say those evil things you are now saying. And it supports your right to do so.

      • BobS

        Okay, Dave is obviously an idiot. Just ignore him and the liberal marxist sheep will go away.

        • S.C.Murf

          Hopefully sooner rather than later.

          up the hill

        • Tinwarble


          DaveH is not a liberal nor a marxist, and usually comes down on the right side of things (no pun intended), he is actually a libertarian. Just this time he appears to be misinformed or in the least seeing a meaning in something that isn’t there.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I think someone is posing as DaveH and using his name. This does not sound like him does it? I dont think so.

      • Anna

        I so much agree with you Spike. You keep tell it like it is.My family & I have 3 hand held Flags,2 are out side in planters & 1 is in the living room where we have it sticking out from the book case for all to see.
        By the way we don’t have any flowers in our planters.
        GOD Bless you & your family as well as Chip Wood,his wife & their 2 daughter’s.

    • TIME

      I see your post has stirred up quite the hornets nest.

      Well People Dave is 100% right, {flying a flag is not going to fix anything at all.}
      As a matter of fact being “PROUD” is a Deadly SIN.

      Wake up people and stop being so hard headed, for heven sake LEARN about who you place in office ~ I mean really learn everything you can about them thats far more important than flying a flag.
      WAKE UP.

      You who fly flags good for you I am happy for you, just due to one not flying a flag that fails to make them any less American that you are the idea that they are insulting you, or the flag is utterly stupid and mindless, let alone child like.

      “Freedom” {carries with it the ability to be offended} if you can’t grasp that, then you are no better than a Marxist or Nazi.
      Can you grasp that?


      • Bob

        The American flag stands for liberty and justice for all. All of the innocent people being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t getting any liberty or justice. That is not what our flag stands for.

        • TIME

          The flag is a flag, its based on things YOU nor I have anylonger of what Dave has tried to point out, we have sold our Freedoms to allow Corrupt leaders to gain wealth and status while we burden the YOKE.

          As for what has been and what will come, I can only PRAY for the best outcome, and hope for a break even point.

          Knowing that 45% of the US population is on some government hand out programs, plus at least 22.5% are unemployed – thats much higher than the reported 9.75%, and that brings us to a total of no less than 60% of our nation is on a Government system of some type.

          Then if we add in of the remaing jobs 70% are Government jobs, by the way that pay better than 95% of all Non Government jobs as well have better benifit packages, – thus leaving so few that are paying for everyone else.

          That alone displays we are in dire trouble so much so that if one flys a Flag or not is so far down the list of problems that its not even worth the effort to waste energy nor time on it.

          Our Flag is our flag not the flag of Freedom for Africa, nor the Middle East, Nor Asia, nor anywhere else but here.

          What Dave has tried to point out; and I could be wrong but I see it as we have lost what {{Freedoms}} we had do to our letting them be taken from us as we rally around a flag with pride for something utterly stupid we have done by way of being pushed into some mindless game that has been of a 100% ZERO benift to this nation.

          Anyone who can explain how these absurd behavior patterns have been a benifit to us as a whole; “please feel free to do so,” otherwise drop it and move on.

          Lets fix the problems we have, then and only then will we as a nation have anything to really be PROUD of again.

          This job is not going to be easy and if something of this nature creates the out crys I have seen posted, then
          “WE as a Nation have lost.” And its all over.
          How SAD is that?

          A piece of cloth or your FREEDOM. What are you all thinking?

          Oh; for you that think you have some special rights due to your loss, My GreatGrand father was killed in WWI, He won the Purple Heart, and Bronze Star, my grandfather was awarded the Purple Heart x 3, The Bronze Star The Silver Star, and the Distingusished Service Cross, during WWII.
          My Grandmother has a Star on the wall if you understand that.
          My brothee who served in Nam, won the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star.
          So we have given and I am not offended by Dave statments.
          My younger brother who is still serving he is a Full Bird in SF, with more awards than most of you can name, has been overseas now for nearly 8 years and at age 54 he has spent his life defending this country, Oh he was also in the first Gulf War.

          • Steve N.

            “Men since the beginning of time have sought peace…Military Alliances, Balances of Power, Leagues of Nations, all in turn failed leaving the only path to be by way of the crucible of war. The utter destructiveness of war now blocks out this alternative. We have had our last chance. If we will not devise some greater and more equitable system Armageddon will be at our door. The problem basically is theological and involves a spiritual recrudescence and improvement of human character that will synchronize with our almost matchless advance in science, art, literature and all material and cultural developments of the past two thousand years. It must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh…” ~ General Douglas MacArthur

          • Tinwarble


            The problem is that you and DaveH seem to think that the Flag is about something that you have or don’t have. It is not. The Flag represents the idea of the freedoms & liberties.

            As stated under Title 4, Chapter 1:
            Proc. No. 2605, Feb. 18, 1944, 9 F.R. 1957, 58 Stat. 1126,
            The flag of the United States of America is universally
            representative of the principles of the justice, liberty, and
            democracy enjoyed by the people of the United States; and
            People all over the world recognize the flag of the United States as symbolic of the United States;

            When you say the “Pledge of Allegiance”, you pledge your allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America & to the Republic for which it stands; one nation under GOD, with liberty & justice for all, not to the United States Government & the political ideology for which it stands. You have apparently confused the two.

            The flag represents what is, was & could be great about our country & is not just a colored piece of cloth.

            And I don’t think that there is anyone who thinks that they have special rights because of any loss that we may have had. But there are those of us who know what it is to sacrifice & to lose people we have fought alongside in defense of our liberties. And we know that those sacrifices & losses are represented by that piece of cloth that you think is just a flag.

      • S.C.Murf

        God our heavenly father raised up America to defend Israel along with the U.K. He has made us as great as we are to fight this battle. Our flag shows the world what we stand for. It’s not an idol, it’s a symbol,big difference. Maybe it’s TIME for you to take a close look at who you are really for

        • Richard

          Yes, and it’s false pride that is a sin, not “being proud”. If we lose our freedom the country or countries that replace us will have a flag and although it may be hated, all WILL SALUTE IT and not by choice. Our founding fathers told us that this nation and the way they set it up would not work for any but a spiritual people who believed in the God and in the basics of the Bible, not church, not religion (man’s idea of God) but the universal truths of life as expressed in the Bible. Interestingly that Bible speaks of many interesting things in the future such as a one world money system that will be compulsory (even for a king) and a leader of most of the world who will not believe in the God of his fathers and will eventually demand to be worshipped upon pain of death. Hopefully this will still be a long way off. If anyone reading this doesn’t like what is going on they need to vote someone new into office, and if they don’t do what is right, vote them out at the nearest chance. No more can we just vote an assume that all will be well and they will do what is best. Watch not what they say but their every move, and as they sell out to the special interests replace them as soon as you can. The night is far gone and that is the only chance we have of saving our nation. Additionally belivers need to pray more than they have because you have to carry the spiritual weight of those who not only don’t pray but don’t even don’t ever understand the power and necessity of pray. Next week is the last to register in many places and if you don’t vote than don’t bother to complain at the results.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            WRONG! I salute only one flag!! The Stars and Stripes!!! That is the only flag I will EVER salute and honor!!! I don’t know if you fought under that flag, but I did and I respect it! There is nothing at all political about it! there is only a love for my country. As Mark Twain said, Respect your country always, Respect your government, when they earn it!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I will not bow down and salute to another flag, or to another human being. If they want to put me do the sword for refusing, then so be it. But just as I will worship no one other than Jesus Christ, I will not be forced to salute anothers flag either. And I will gladly go to the grave with my righteousness intact. I fear no man, nor should I.

        • Bob

          Smurf You’re talking about the real Axis of Evil.

      • Anna

        Time, just to let you know like my family & I well as a lot of very good people that did not vote for that Resist Pig & his Democratic cohorts.
        We are very proud to show that we are Americans.

      • JeffH

        TIME, again as usual your feel and explanations are pretty accurate.

        There are still those that fly the flag for the memory of what it once stood for…Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To fly the flag without fully embracing those freedoms would be nothing more than waving a false flag. Having know DaveH through this website for several years now I think I somewhat understand his “shock & awe” approach.
        As you and many of us know, Dave ain’t nowhere near a liberal and he believes 100% of what he posts. He’s not here to get a bunch of “atta boy Dave” pats on the back. He’s just trying to get the message through.

        This is what inspires me from time to time and I’ll share it for everyone else. The oft forgotten Pledge of Allegiance as recited by a great patriot bu the name of John Wayne.

      • spike

        Hey, ‘TIME” I am awake, and I voted AGAINST THE CURRENT REGIME. However,Nobody claims that flying a flag makes you better than the next guy. Alot of men died to defend what THAT FLAG REPRESENTS. THAT’S WHY THOSE MARINES HOISTED THAT FLAG ON IWO JIMA as soon as they could.
        Let me tell you something, TIME; you don’t have to believe as we do, that the flag is A SYMBOL of what we in this country believe, As the other guy says : in liberty and justice for all. I’ll have a little of that justice for all stuff–I’m a Christian, and we’re not getting much justice. But the muslims sure are. Perhaps you would prefer a flag with a half moon, or a hammer and a sickle. Even the muslims, who hate us so much, burn our flag as a form of protest. I don’t see us blowing up mosques, or whatever, and even the borderline bonehead who wanted to burn a Qu’ran was begged to not do it. These are symbols of what we believe and what we stand for, TIME, DON’T MAKE IT SOMETHING IT’S NOT. And for heaven’s sake, those who believe in our country, and what our forefathers died to protect and obtain,FLY IT!! FLY IT PROUDLY!

      • ChuckL

        You have completely missed the point, TIME. This is not a question of “pride” which is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, but of respecting your country and its accomplishments. It is unfortunate that the same word is used for multiple meanings. The use of multiple meanings allows an attack to be made when no attack is called for. The sinful definition also includes the requirement that the self esteem must be inordinate or unreasonable. This multiple meanings is an unfortunate characteristic of most languages. It has the capability of providing detractors to choose an out of context meaning for the sole purpose of demeaning the speaker.

        DaveH has chosen to berate patriotic Germans as being not patriotic because their patriotism was misplaced in the wrong leader. Their patriotism was misplaced because Hitler had taken over the schools, in the same manner that Obama and the Liberal, Socialist, Progressives, are taking over the education system in this country. The true history of the origins of this country are no longer taught. The fact that most of the original colonies were founded on religious freedoms with a Christian basis is ignored or denied. The reasons for the Constitutional limitations on the federal government are ignored. The permissions given to the federal government are ignored. Almost all of them are covered in Article 1, Sect. 8 and in the 10th Amendment.

        To paraphrase what the federal government is to do;
        -1. Defend the country from all invasions.
        -2. Maintain a level playing field for the conduct of business throughout the Republic.
        -3. Prevent religious discrimination and disqualify itself from making a decision in any religious matter. It may only act on the civil aspects of a legal matter. i.e. In a matter of a religiously mandated human sacrifice, the federal government may act because the government has a vested interest in the protection of life.

        We have the freedoms that we enjoy because of the sacrifices of military personnel.
        DaveH is correct that the Government has grown out of control. That is not the result of the military, but of selfish voters always voting for more welfare payments, which incidentally the federal government is not authorized to provide.

        Quotations of our Founding Fathers are:

        “The instrument by which [government] must act are either the AUTHORITY of the laws or FORCE. If the first be destroyed, the last must be substituted; and where this becomes the ordinary instrument of government there is an end to liberty! “–Alexander Hamilton, Tully, No. 3, 1794

        “The proposed Constitution, so far from implying an abolition of the State governments, makes them constituent parts of the national sovereignty, by allowing them a direct representation in the Senate, and leaves in their possession certain exclusive and very important portions of sovereign power. This fully corresponds, in every rational import of the terms, with the idea of a federal government.” –Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 9

        “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” –James Madison, Federalist No. 45

        The Federal Government of this country was never intended to control everything in the country. It was intended to create only a defensive capability to defend against the massive countries of Europe. That is why the States were given the right to have the State legislature select the Senators for the Federal Government, while the representatives were elected by popular vote.

        When someone wishes to berate the government for what it has done, or not done, perhaps they should first read the Constitution to see if what was done was allowed. Much of what the current congress has passed such as: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is NOT authorized. It was passed by the Progressives by intentional misinterpretation of the “Commerce clause”. They deliberately misinterpreted it to mean that they could determine the products, in addition to insuring fair and even handed behavior between the states.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Being proud and being prideful are two different things, so dont prostitute the Bible here. We should take pride in our work, and the things we do, which is different that being prideful, where we think we are all that and can do no wrong. Two different things. I proudly fly the American flag, and I gracefully give God thanks everyday for the freedom’s He affords me living here, and for those who gave all that we for one could establish this country, and for two, to maintain this country. For them I fly the flag, not for the Republicans, or the Democrats, or for any President or Governor or Senator or government. No, the United States of America is WE THE PEOPLE. I mean, geez, isnt that written somewhere, like maybe the Constitution? WE THE PEOPLE are the United States of America. Not no big government, or some political party. You guys got it all wrong.

        • usmadgirl



    • Bobby B.

      Dave, you have to be one of the most confused people in the world. How in the world did you ever make that connection?

    • Jim Butler

      How sad that you make that connection with flying the flag of our Country. To me flying the flag actually stands for liberty and all the things this Country was founded on.

      • DaveH

        What Liberty? We used to have Liberty. We foolishly gave that away to power hungry leaders decades ago.

        • Renee

          I totally agree with you about the government. However, I fly the flag for what it used to mean. I don’t see much changing in our country uless we all stand up together and acknowledge what has actually happened. We need to be more aware that the gov. is not there for us anymore but (We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of American.) WE have let this country down by our ingnorance. I fly the flag for what I want this country to stand for again. YES, the government has been given the power they have by us and we need to figure out and quick, a way to relieve them of that. They were put in office to work for the people but because some who are voting (which by the way they shouldn’t) are only looking for a free handout, they vote for those that tell them they will get it. All that does is cause people to become lazy and dependent on this big government you are talking about (and we pay big for the lazy). The flag doesn’t stand for that, it isn’t an idol, it’s a symbol. I don’t worship it, I worship God. The government has abused it’s meaning, but I know what it used to stand for and that is why I fly it. Soldiers, my heart breaks for them, they want to serve this country because in their hearts they are fighting for freedom and we need to respect these men and women. The government lies about everything and all they want is more powerand I agree they are being used. There is blame that they alone deserve and our service men and women do not deserve that blame. I believe their hearts are in the right place.

          • TIME


            A very good post, thank you for seeing the value of Daves post and understandingit root meaning.

          • Steve N.

            Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” John 18:38

            WHAT?!? What it USED to mean!??! When did it’s meaning change!?!?! WHO changed it? YOU?!?!? It still means the same as it always did. I served in the military during the cold war. I remember standing on a hill in Southern Bavaria, beyond the 1K “kill zone” overlooking a valley into Czechoslovakia and thinking: ‘how did their pride & sovereignty ever degrade to this?’I served proudly, blah, blah, blah…. does anyone REALLY give a crap? Well, I did then & I do now and the flag has never ever stopped meaning the land of the free, and the home of the brave. I fear that poor Dave, being an atheist, may never comprehend the profound meaning of the Crucifixion, and yet, so many “believers” are even now being deceived by their religious leaders for lack of true scriptural discernment….I will pray for Dave (to a God he sadly doesn’t believe exists), and I will pray for our country, and I will pray for Mao-Bama to find his way, & I will pray for everyone here who posts on Bob’s site….

          • usmadgirl

            Steve N,

            Thank you for your service to our country! That’s still what the flag means to me as well! My eyes still well up every time I see the flag when our National Anthem is playing!

            I can’t comprehend how many “non-believers” we have in this once great country. I am such an undisciplined “believer”, but I always have someone to talk to no matter how things are going in my life. Who do “non-believers” talk to? How can they not be lonely even in a world filled with people when they don’t have God to talk to?

            Thank you for your prayers for DaveH, the others on this site & O’Dumbo. I hope you’ll remember me as well. I haven’t been on the site much in the past several months because my business has picked up. NO, that’s NOT a sign of the economy being better. I’m a real estate title abstractor & fortunately for me, but unfortunately for others, 95% of my business has been title searches for foreclosures.

            2 Chronicles 7:14

            God bless you & God Bless America!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Steve, I agree with you. God is same then as He is now, and always will be. The flag means land of the free, and home of the brave, and always has and always will. There are those who try to change what it stands for, and it has nothing to do with big government as Dave says. Nothing. It has all to say about those who gave their lives forming this country, for those who died fighting to establish freedom for all of us, that we still enjoy today. Land of the free. To see it as any other thing, is an insult to those who gave all for it, and an insult to all who live free under this flag. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with any “big government” that Dave is paranoid about. Me, I have the peace of God in me, and no government is any threat to me. I know whose I am, and I fully know who is in control. And it isnt no stinking eartly government. They are here today, and gone tomorrow, always have been, and always will be. But God is always here, and never leaves. When Dave comes to know that, I fully believe as it says in the good Word, his eyes and ears will be opened, and only then will he see the truth. Until then, fear shall have it’s hold on him, as Satan has his way with those in the dark. Thats just how it is.

        • spike

          Well,Dave, what say we all grow a pair, and take our LIBERTY back?

        • Richard

          We still have the LIBERTY to support someone entirely new. THAT is what the TEA PARTY is mostly about. It’s also why the establishment Republicans do not support the TEA PARTY candidates, but since the TEA PARTY has to join one side or the other to get elected in the present set-up most of their beliefs are closer to the Republican than the Democrat. Either the Republican party will change or the TEA PARTY may eventually replace them.

          WE HAVE the Liberty to assemble. Try that is Communist China. The Chinese massacre of 3,000 mostly students in 1989 is almost forgotten over there where they are told that it was only 300 dissents trying to topple the government because they had a thirty food paper mache’ STATUE OF LIBERTY and wanted the freedoms we have. WE HAVE freedom of religion. Try that in Russia where the state church is the Russian Orthodox or in Saudi Arabia where not a single church or synagogue is allowed (but they sponsor some 80 percent of the mosques in the USA including 100 in NYC) or in Central America where many churches have been invaded by the theology that we can be god and everyone is the same or should be. What freedom don’t you have?

          It’s true that since the Democrats gave our money system over to those who set up the FEDERAL RESERVE we don’t have as much financial freedom as we once did, and it is those same socialists who are trying to solve our economic problems that were caused by spending to much money (yes, both parties spent to much), by spending even more money. I have never quite figured out how one stops a flood by adding more water but maybe the socialists know something I don’t If we don’t get off our high horse of being better than the next guy and knowing what is the answer to everything then those whose goal is to reduce the USA to just a component in a new system of things will have won. Don’t just vote next month but do all you can to get all you can to vote too. Neither establishment Democrats nor establishment Republicans are going to solve this financial mess we are in and it is going to get incredibly more difficult before it gets better. It is going to be hard work and if you are not willing to do what you can I have no advice to give you. All are needed. That is how the whole system was set up. We don’t have kings and Lords and Barons here but some in Washington have forgotten that. We can remind them next month. Register and vote!

    • DaveH

      And there we have it. It is so obvious from all the comments, why we are at the current state of affairs. Only a few of the above commenters have a clue as to what Liberty really is. Thanks for blindly following the Big Government leaders and helping to create the very UnFree country in which we now live.

      • Patriot Pamela

        I would have 2 agree w/ U; Dave…so few citizens this day R aware and Urself included{based soley on the previous comments}of just what liberty is! I obviously come baring several points that may B of interest. First I include U among the many w/out a clue due 2 the fact that U neglect 2 aknowledge the demonstrated liberties that opposing views have verbalized and demonstrated! Secondly Ur demeaning comments include a hint of the past 4 which I care NOT 2 repeat… remember the words All Men R Created Equal? Seems not by U; Ur attempt 2 publicly express Ur desire 2 SURPRESS Freedom Of Personal Opposing Views clearly denotes Ur lack of intellegents! Since I do not care 2 B included in that I will attempt 2 edgucate, enlighten and inspire: I personally disagree that flying the flag is not political; I consider it 2 B a broadly based opinion that supports MY government! YES, I fly the flag and was raised 2 do so by MY father whom served proudly in the Navy. I do not think arrogantly that MY government nor it’s general population is PERFECT I do however feel that it is MY responsability and duty 2 help shape the neighborhood, state, nation and even the world that I live in!! So 2 all practice tolerance and keep Ur wits about U learning is the greatest gift U can give Urself and the oppertunity of teaching others is the greatest gift U can share with others. Certainly Dave had I just blurted out insults at U; U’d not continue 2 read this! Where then would U have gained ground? Or ME 4 that matter…Surpression of knowldge has NEVER served this Country nor any other well.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        We, the people, are the ones that put them there. And we, the people, are the only ones with the power to remove them. Get educated before you pull the lever on voting day. Thats all.

    • refuse2lose

      You left one thing out…… when your country is in distress,like we are now,you should fly the flag UPSIDE DOWN.

      • Mike

        Yes, upside down is appropriate for our current situation.

        • Marten

          I agree with you big time!!!!!

    • KooKKy

      Now, that’s a whacky comment. I’m not a republican, but I love to see our flag waving. Many a democrat has fought to defend that flag. It represents ALL of us. Why can’t you just appreciate the fact that it represents not just your country, but the freedoms associated with it…which I’m sure you enjoy and love?

      • Richard

        I think the problem is that many have already adopted the European viewpoint that it is JUST A FLAG and since they do not believe in good or evil they do not see that we have been special and different from all other nations. There is world wide jealousy of the USA and rather than find out why we became great it is easier to just try to tear us down.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with you. Im a republican, but God bless every democrat, every republican, every Christian, every atheist, every race color and creed that fought for our independance, and fought to put down the racist hater Hitler, and gave all that we might continue to fly the American flag as a symbol of Peace and Freedom. And to anyone who says it represents big government, they need to pull their head out of their arse, because big government is the biggest threat to making this flag cease from flying. They are two entities at separate ends, and shame on anyone who says the flag belongs to big government. What an insult to all of us, especially those who gave all.

    • JeffH

      DaveH, I would call that a false flag waving for anyone who embraces the BIG GOVERNMENT ideals.

      • Richard

        Indeed! Big government is best represented by the flag of the UN.

        • JeffH


        • BrotherPatriot

          BINGO! OMFG…I have been researching those bastards for awhile now and it the equation just keep coming back to them & their Agenda.

          Say NO to the NWO!

          Bunch of social degenerates…!

    • Carolyn

      More than ever, I would like you to explain why, WHY are there now flags being made with 59 stars??
      A lady in Florida went to her child’s first day of school, was given a booklet with the flag on front.. This flag had 59 stars and this was not explained… What is this administration doing now?
      I am outraged

      • Tom in Tennessee

        Puerto Rico!!!!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          I hate to break it to you but Puerto Rico is NOT a state!! There is supposed to be one star for each STATE!!

          • sylviam

            They may not be a state now but just wait and see. Remember, DO NOT TAKE YOU EYE OFF THE BALL, meaning, don’t listen to what they say but watch their hands,—– It is the Plan of this GOV. to be in the NWO you have to have MORE LAND, They are called, AMERICAN TERRITORY, but most likely SOON TO BE THE NEXT STATE, ergo they just snuck another STAR on the flag.
            In other words they have slid past the right way to do things and thats how they work.

          • usmadgirl

            Hi Joe H,

            Tom in Tennessee & Sylvia M are right except it’s only 51 stars (to my knowledge) not 59, as someone said. Shame on you if you haven’t been watching Glenn!

            As you know, ever so often, Puerto Rico is asked if they want to become a state. They have the best of both worlds if they don’t, but THIS time (thanks to our radical, unconstitutional criminal administration & some Pureto Rican political thugs to promote statehood) the question was going to be asked differently (sorry, I don’t have time to look at my “Glenn notes”) so they would pretty much have to say “yes”! That would mean another 3 million (I think) more Dumb-o-craps to vote! Sorry my information is so vague, but I’m trying to work & do this at the same time!

          • Christin


            Yes, the progressives want to trick Puerto Rico into having to say yes to USA statehood not only to get what they believe is more Dem votes, but it would also add TWO MORE DEM SENATORS and FIVE MORE DEM HOUSE SEATS!!!!!! (Got that from my Glenn notes!)

            Progressives are just trying to beef up their Dem base to stay in power even if it is underhanded and cheating since most of America think they are socialist loons.

          • usmadgirl


            You are exactly right!!! Just like what I’ve said ever since O’Dumbo took office, they will grant amnesty to all the illegals. I saw Janet Napolitano on O’Reilly last night saying that they had “deported” more illegals than anyone ever had (or something to that effect). I don’t believe ANYTHING they say & if what she said is true, you can bet your butt, there’s an ulterior motif!

      • Tinwarble

        These flags are coming from China. Everyone needs to know to never buy a flag made in China, or any other country for that matter. These flags are not made by the standards that they should be made.

        See this:

        • Claire

          Tinwarble– I had to buy two flags this past spring, I found them at Menards–Made in the U.S.A. — I gave my old flags to my neighbor and he took them to the VFW. I love to fly my flags. To me Old Glory is the symbol of freedom for all Americans, including the past history of the flag, the wars,and how the flag came to be. When I look at my flags I think of this, not any administration.

        • jrvause

          I’m in the business of selling flags, I must agree with you that many United States flags being sold today are made overseas. I’m sorry, they are not the flag of the United States. I will not sell a U.S. Flag that is not made in the USA. Maybe I’m just too proud. Semper Fi,

          • Claire

            jrvause— Good for you!!

          • independant thinker

            You can find flags madee in the USA. You might have to look for them and pay a little more for them but they are there.

          • BobinTX

            Good for you jrvause.

            I proudly fly the flag everyday. I fly my nylon flag in inclement weather, and my cotton flag on clear days. I’ve worn out several flags, as I’ve been flying them for years, rain or shine. I don’t care what others may think of flag flying, to me, the flag has no politics… it represents the sacrifices of all those that fought to preserve our liberty and freedoms. I dedicate each new flag to either to my father, (WWII, B-17 pilot Europe), or my father-in-law, (Korea, infantry).

            Out of respect, I will never, nor have I ever, bought a U.S. Flag that is not made in the USA.

    • sylviam

      I bet you haven’t even heard of Old Glory and the way it stood even AFTER it had been bombed,shot and wind revaged, when the FIGHTING stopped IN HONOR OF OUR UNITED MEN won the battle. IT S A SYMBOL OF OUR GREAT RUEPUBLIC. Now if you cannot find any other venue to bash your so called LIBERALS & RIGHT WINGERS, then find another subject to do it in

    • CF

      See the trailer for the new documentary film GLENN BECK – TROJAN HORSE…

    • Bluejacket

      You’re off topic, and you hate conservatives, yea, I got that.

    • Alex K

      Dave H

      You’re a freakin idiot. Buy a ticket to anywhere out of borders because you’re wasting our resources and contributing to the degradation of symbol that allows you to be such an idiot without penalty.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I usually whole heartedly agree with you Dave, but not on this one. However, Im not one to say your wrong and Im right, its individual preference on this, but for me individually, flying the flag means that I am an American, that I love this country, and that I will die defending this country against any attacks, outside or inside. The only problem I have, is when I see places put the Mexican or other flags on top of it, which is against the law, but it seems it happens more and more, and nothing becomes of it. Kind of like illegal immigration. Its illegal, and nothing is done about it. But flying the flag is as American as it gets, and it transcends Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or anything else. And if your Libertarian Party is against flying the flag of the United States of America, then I dont foresee them garnering many votes in any election. If this is part of their platform, and the general public comes to know this, that party is doomed before it takes off. And thats not my personal opinion, that is a fact I know will be echoed by all American’s of every race, color and creed, regardless of being Republican or Democrat.

    • Andee

      Thirty six per cent of Americans think our national flag should be eliminated..I find this repulsive and I find a President standing on our flag on the ground even moreso if that is possible!

      Our flag has a story to tell and it should be treated with respect and all the respect it deserves. Contact your local VFW, they have the 21 regulations affiliated with respecting and flying our flag…it is never to be worn as clothing, head scarves, flown off an antenna, flown at night unless a light is shining upon it.

      Our flag: The red stands for the blood, and it was massive that was shed for the beginning of America, the white is for the purity of the God we were settled under, the blue background and the stars…this is where our forefathers and ancestors fought the battle to free this nation from the English…remember, that is why they came over…we are under similar persecution now but no place to go….New Zealand, don’t come unless you have a job, same in Denmark and that is the way it should be all over…cannot take care of yourself and your family, stay home where you are…………..thanks.
      Oh, one more thing. Look into Oathkeepers and then ask them about the duties of your County Sheriff under the laws of the Constitution. You will no doubt be surprised and amazed…

  • JM

    Great article Chip,

    Your words recapture the feeling I had when I became an American citizen and first took the Pledge of Allegiance. We live in Canada now but every 4th of July our family proudly flies the Stars and Stripes.

  • s c

    I respect the flag for what it is SUPPOSED to represent. I respect it for what it USED to represent. If I made a habit of flying one, I would feel compelled to hang it upside down.
    Until this administration is history, flying the flag to me would be no different than saying I respect the two current White House occupants. I don’t, and I won’t.

    • dan az

      You would be correct in flying it in the distress position and I feel that all americans should do the same as to generate the take over of our once great nation that needs to be cleansed from the filth that has taken it over!Remember in November!

      • JC

        No! Absolutely not! While I agree with your view of the current administration, our great flag is not representative of them. It represents the ideals that many of my friends and I fought, killed, and some died for. To fly the American Flag in the distress position is to disgrace our country, and to disgrace us. I too, am looking forward to taking our country back in November, but the flag represents what is great in this nation. Our freedoms, our liberties. Please don’t fly the flag in this manner. Find another way to voice your opinion. Although, I did fight for your freedom of speech to, so you may do so if you choose. I simply ask that you not be disrespectful of us.

        • BrotherPatriot

          I’m a former Navy SEAL. I hold true to what America is supposed to be. I will not let the social degenerates who currently have positions in my Government get me to discrace America by flying the flag upside down. By me flying my flag I’m standing up saying that I still am proud of the American Dream. I’m totally against what is going on in our government and I’ll not let them divide me from my faith.

          America is the greatest nation in the world. We still can turn this around if we unite, under God and channel our energy into fixing the numerous problems that plague us.

          God Bless America and all her People!

        • dan az

          This is not a disrespect to vets or our country it was used many of times to warn others of what is happening to our country as when we used it on our ships at a time of war to warn others that something is wrong and would come to their aid.I too am a disabled vet but do know the meaning of flying a flag in distress.We have been invaded in more ways than one and are about to loose every thing we have fought for.Im sorry you dont grasp the meaning but look to history to find it.

          • dan az

            this is for anyone that does not understand why the flag is flown up side down
            An American flag or for that matter any flag flown upside-down is considered a sign of distress…
            Mutiny, piracy, sinking, coup, rebellion of the people/government.
            The fact that any flag flown upside-down means distress is not the whole story however… flags flown upside-down can and are used as a form of protest.
            The flag is a symbol of control and superiority. The use of such in any other way is considered “desecration”. . .

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are correct JC. Dont let these two un-American thugs in the White House make us disgrace our flag, that these two obviously do not represent at all. They do not hold close to their hearts the ideals of America. They seem to undermine us at every turn. Michelle is as street as they get, and she is just spending as much money as she can while she has the chance, and is the un-classiest first lady there has ever been in my life time, and that spans over 50 years. Barack hasnt a clue what to do, and his life is lived in darkness, clouded by his muslim hate of America. I thank God these November elections will render him powerless to stop the damage he is doing, and for 2012 where he will be kicked to the curb, probably by his own party before the election even gets here. They know he is toast, and they will throw him under the bus, when the whole democrat party is guilty of the un-American ways these two have partaken of.

    • Doc

      You are wrong to associate our flag with Obama. He has NOTHING to do with it. Never did, never will. I actually think that flying the flag upsets him. He refused to wear a flag lapel pin ( stated he is the citizen of the world…), has his armes dangling when everyone around him salutes the flag. So to all of you angry with the current situation, remember it in November, and please PLEASE do not disrespect the flag. Our president does it for you.

      • BrotherPatriot

        He’s not my president and I would be in the same boat as Lt. Col. Terry Lakin if I still served actively.

        • Bluejacket

          He might be my President. As of yet, he’s paying a legal team to prevent the proof from becoming public.

      • usmadgirl


        I completely agree with your statement! I don’t idolize the flag. I only worship my Creator, but I’ve always been patriotic… NOT to our over-bearing, out of control, abusive, radical GOVERNMENT, but to our FLAG & what it stands for – one NATION (a nation of individual people with individual God given rights – NOT one GOVERNMENT that thinks IT has the power to give people rights), under GOD (which some here don’t believe in, but without HIM this country wouldn’t have made it this long), with Liberty & Justice for ALL (NOT the ones that O’Dumbo & his thugs choose to grant Liberty & Justice)!

        So I completely disagree with Dave H & a lot of the other comments & think you’re looking at the flag as a symbol of GOVERNMENT not the INDIVIDUALS for which it stands!

        I started flying my big flag on a pole in a bracket on one of the end posts on my front porch shortly after 9/11/01 & just bought a new one before 9/11/10 this year because the sun & wind have faded & worn out 4 since 9/11/01. After that terrorizing day, we were individuals united together, angry at those who had murdered our CITIZENS – NOT our government!

        I now fly the flag because I still can where I live. There are so many places that won’t allow the PEOPLES’ FLAG to be flown. It’s politically incorrect in so many places now that it should REALLY irritate Dave H & all the other Libertarians to not have the right to fly the one symbol that represents us as a people -NOT a government!

        I mainly fly it NOW to p— off O’Dumbo because he refuses to wear it or recognize it as the symbol of our once great nation before he & all the other progressive, Social Justice imposing, Earth Worshiping, Global Government loving, radical, left-over hippie, dope-smoking, Marxist freaks & all their progressive ancestors started trying to destroy it a century ago & have, in 2 years, almost succeeded in doing so!

        My ideal way to really PO the anti-Americans in POWER, is for ALL the Liberty loving, Constitution abiding, flag waving citizens to fly as many flags as they can afford in order for O’Dumbo to be able to see nothing but an ocean of RED, WHITE & BLUE when he’s flying all over the country to spend all our money playing golf, going on date night with the “little woman”, vacationing at our expense, traveling across the country spewing his lies at various functions, campaigning for his radical friends that lose every time he does, going to schools to indoctrinate kids of all ages, apologizing for America’s greatness & having Michelle campaigning about “food deserts” & telling us what we can & can’t eat!

        If we actually get to have an election in November & O’Dumbo hasn’t created a “crisis” to stop it, I pray that “we are 31 days away from fundamentally transforming this country” BACK to what our founding fathers intended. God bless this country!

        • BrotherPatriot

          ^^ Whooo Yaaahhh!!! ^^

      • Andee

        He is no one’s president that lives in the States; however, there are the sheeple that still worship his highness…they are not part of America either.

        I bet in other countries, if you disrespect the flag, there are repercussions and not gentle ones..

        It would be faster and better to annul this Presidency; that way he could be prosecuted. If he is impeached we cannot touch him nor his ugly family of freeloaders in OUR HOUSE and disrespecting it every day they are there….feet on the lovely furniture sent from France as a gift decades ago…smoking in OUR HOUSE…etc.

  • jack stuart

    too much mail can’t read it all !! Have a life too!!

    • BobS

      Oh come on Jack. Set your alarm 1/2 hour earlier and let us know how you feel about things. It’s good for the soul.

      • rwnut

        BobS….Jack just needs to let it flow.Shout it out Jack.First Amendment is yours.Use it or lose it!

        • rwnut

          I know what you mean Jack.I’m just prodding you a little.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Two more things. If flown outside the front of your home, it should, if possible be flown to the left of your front entrance. Two it should never be flown all night unless there is a spotlight on it! I fly one 365 days a year and will till the day I die! I fought for that flag and it runs in my blood!!

    • Keeper

      God bless you Joe, for your dedication and the love for this country. Thank you for your service and helping others keep safe.

    • BobS

      I second that!!!!!!

    • Codger

      Bad choice of words, Joe. The flag doesn’t run, it lives in your blood. Thanx for your service and your message.

    • OLJingoist

      Sempre Fi Joe

      • Steven W

        oorah 2nd 2 none

    • Jim OK

      Thanks for your comment Joe H. and thanks for your service!

    • Tinwarble

      Joe H,

      Actually the rules for flying a flag on a residence are as follows:

      “It is traditionally flown either to the right or the left of the front door. It can be on either side. When there is a choice, find a position of prominence. Sometimes that is the left of the door, sometimes the right, sometimes away from the door, but centered on the house (when you have a porch, for example). Use your best judgment to find a nice position for the flag. However, if you fly a second flag, then the US flag must be on the viewer’s left of the other flag, as you approach the house.”

      Visit for flag rules & regulations.

  • Claire

    I have my flags up every day–I put them up at dawn and take them down at dusk. At this time I will not fly my flags in a distress position unless the situation warrants it. Otherwise, I will put it up correctly. I will stand up for my rights.

  • Jim H.

    I don’t let the current leadership diminish my love for this country, our flag represents the U.S. people not an administration. I proudly fly my flag.

    • BobS

      Thanks Jim, I was getting ready to reply the same thing to DaveH and then I saw your post. When I fly the flag I do not even think about our government. I think about our wonderful founding fathers and the men and women that have given their lives for our freedom. That’s okay though DaveH, you are an American and you have the right not to fly our flag. I hope in the future you will join us and fly the flag for what it stands for not necessarily who is occupying the white house at the time.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Bob S…
        Great post… I agree 100%!

      • Richard

        Good Point! I agree completely!

    • Bill Clarkson

      My flag flies to represent my devotion to the principles espoused by our founders. As a Nam vet (1st Cav Div, (69-70)), I am aware of the costs of liberty and did defend Liberty as a valuable concept in uniform. I fly my flag as an indication that I will defend liberty in my pjs, if needed.

      • Steve N.

        HERE! HERE! Bill! Thanks for your service. I was too young to take a vacation in the jungles of Southeast Asia, but I DID join 10 years after you got out. Brave new world back then, eh? Post-nam military was a strange transition for everybody it seems. I dunno. Anyway, combat pj’s would be a helluva lot more comfortable than the dreaded “pickle suit” and “rattle-battle” right? LOL

    • Claire

      Jim H—Your words are correct!!! Thank you. I agree with you 100%.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yes sir. WE THE PEOPLE. Not them the politicians. WE THE PEOPLE. We are the United States of America, One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. WE THE PEOPLE.

  • Michael J.

    The stars and stripes are proudly exibited in front of my house each and every day (unless it’s raining). I will not be dettered by our bogus potus because we the people are the protectors of liberty, not the America haters who currently infest the White House.

    Besides, I owe it to my ancestors who fought to make this country a place that the whole world desires to imigrate to.
    My great, great grandfather ten generations removed settled here in 1680, raised family here and died here 100 years before this land was called The United States. Since then we have been knee deep in every revolution, civil war, world war and fist fight that was required to make this country the place that illegal aliens can now enjoy the fruit of our blood, sweat and tears.

  • MsAmericanPatriot

    I think the code should be changed to allow flag themed clothing. Also I like what one house in my neighborhood has done to denote itself as a Tea Party Patriot. It flies the Stars and Stripes upside down over the Naval Jack flag.

  • Ramiro Barrera

    I have proudly flown an American Flag in front of my home since September 11th 2001, I have now gone through six flags. I feel I owe this to our troops until the last one comes home or we find and kill Osama Bin Laden, that was my pledge. I almost took it down when Obama took over office but decided my support was for my country and our troops and the President could not take that away from me.
    I am very proud of being an American and flying our flag.

    • Codger

      Remember in November!!! BHO can’t take America away from us, but we
      certainly can take him away from the White House. Semper Fi.

    • independant thinker

      I fly three flags.

      I fly the American flag because I am glad I was born in the US and am a citizen.

      I fly the Confederate battle flag because by the grace of God I was born in and still live in the south.

      I fly the Gadsden flag because I want to be left the Hell alone. I was flying this flag long before it became a symbol for the Tea Party movement

      I fly all three because where I live there is a large hispanic (mostly mexican) community and want to be sure they know I am proud to be a citizen of the United States of America.

      • sylviam

        Please tell me how to respectivly fly my flags, {1} Old Glory, {2} State, VA, {3}The Union Jack, {4} The Southern Flag? I know that Old Glory is ALWAYS FIRSTits the others that I don’t know.

        • Tinwarble


          Depends on how you have your flags. If they are on your house, though, on separate poles, then it should be “Stars & Stripes” on the left of the person viewing it, with the others to the right, I’m not really sure if they have to be in a certain order, but you can refer to here: They should also all be at the same height if possible.

          If they are on a flag pole, then the American Flag should always be on top, but you really shouldn’t have more than 2 flags on a pole.

  • K. D. M.

    Interesting article. Learned a few things I didn’t know.

  • FreedomFighter

    I refuse to get rid of my flag adorned garb.

    They need to change that rule, its anal.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Ken

      I have shirts that are adorned with the flag. These are NOT the same as making a garment out of a flag. That would be disrespectful to the flag that you fought for!

      • Tinwarble


        As stated on the Betsy Ross Homepage:

        “According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything “by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag.”

        The words “flag, standard, colors, or ensign”, as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

        Source: Flag Code, Section 3

        Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

        The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): “The flag should never be used as wearing apparel.”

    • Carolyn

      Leave the rules as were written.. Everyone starts changing everything and before you know it, the constitution does not resemble what was first written.. Does that ring a bell?
      Respect what our founders ruled on, and the rules of the Flag..

    • Andee

      Why is it anal? Did you die in this war that set the Europeans free? This is our flag you are talking about…it is not meant to be worn, it is meant to be respected and sitting on it, washing it, ironing it, spilling food and beverage on it does not respect the flag…………get real…Americans are so very spoiled and they think whatever they do is a o.k. It is not a o.k. to disrespect our flag in anyway…a lot of history is behind it and a lot of that history is painful. Do you think Betsy Ross meant for the flag to be treated as we do in today’s America. As she stitched each precious, little stitch do you think she was thinking, “I hope they wear this, I hope they spill food and drink on it, I hope they tear it?” I don’t think so. God Bless America, land that I love…………..

  • Ken

    One correction to your article. The flag code now allows ALL veterans, whether in uniform or not, to salute the flag during a pass by, or during the national anthem. Civilians should still place their hand over their heart… not like our President that clasps them over his private parts!!!

    • Reno

      Thank you Ken. I was going to comment on that. Here is the law that was signed by President George W. Bush on October 14, 2008.

      New Law Allows Retirees and Vets to Salute Flag
      Traditionally, members of the nation’s veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag only while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.
      The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 contained an amendment to allow un-uniformed servicemembers, military retirees, and veterans to render a hand salute during the hoisting, lowering, or passing of the U.S. flag.
      A later amendment further authorized hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel. This was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14, 2008.
      Here is the actual text from the law:
      Section 301(b)(1) of title 36, United States Code, is amended by
      striking subparagraphs (A) through (C) and inserting the following new
      “(A) individuals in uniform should give the
      military salute at the first note of the anthem and
      maintain that position until the last note;
      “(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who
      are present but not in uniform may render the military
      salute in the manner provided for individuals in
      uniform; and
      “(C) all other persons present should face the flag
      and stand at attention with their right hand over the
      heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should
      remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it
      at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

      Note: Part (C) applies to those not in the military and non-veterans. The phrase “men not in uniform” refers to civil service uniforms like police, fire fighters, and letter carriers – non-veteran civil servants who might normally render a salute while in uniform

      • Tom in Tennessee

        I am really glad that I am able to render the hand salute as a veteran; but it is still greatly misunderstood by people who do not know about this law. It is a privilege to hand salute our flag; and stand when it goes by in a parade.

    • Andee

      So good to know! Thanks a lot Ken! As for the bum that is in OUR HOUSE, perhaps clasping his hands over his private parts is what he considers most important in his life.. he no doubt has double up use for same…what an embarrassment he is to all and even to other countries except when bowing to the King of Saudi, the Chinese, the Japanese, North Koreans, etc.

  • charles e lewis

    Great article. I was fortunate to have just missed the Vietnam war. But I fly my flag proudly 365 days a year out of respect for those who have fought and are still fighting to keep our great republic free.

  • http://aol don

    i fly the flag each day.lately our country has been under attack from many different directions…this includes the white house……in november i hope that we all get out and vote them out of office.and in 2012 we send the socialist barry back to chicago…we can see november from here…

    • Ken

      I do also, and even fly one on my vehicle! Used to see a LOT of them, but these days very few. Oh how quickly we forget. Being an Officer in the American Legion, keeps me very aware of what is happening in America today. Sad, but patriotism seems to be dying out, except for a few, and most veterans.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I used to fly one on my vehicle till I started noticing how many were laying along the highway from vehicles! I now display a magnetic flag on my cars! I never could bear to see one laying on the ground!!

    • BobS

      Nov. 2 cannot get here fast enough. I hope someone takes a video of the wicked witch handing over her gavel.

      • Bluejacket



  • George Irrgang

    Very informative however: On a ship the flag is flown from the mast; on land it’s flown from the staff.

    • Bob Henderson

      A little correction. The flag is flown from the mast while underway, but from a staff at the stern when not underway.

  • Bill H.

    One correction. No other flag should be flown above the American flag ON THE SAME HOIST. For example, if you have a mast with gaff, the place of honor for the flag is on the gaff. Just as on a sailboat, the place of honor is at the stern or when underway if gaff rigged, at the gaff, or 2/3 up the leach of a non-gaff rigged mainsail. It is NOT appropriate to fly the American flag at the masthead of a sailboat and particularly not at the starboard spreader unless you are a foreign registered vessel visiting America.

    Also when flying at half mast, the flag should be at 2/3 to 3/4 the height of the mast (flagpole), not 1/2.

    To Dave H. and SC and others who won’t fly the flag or fly it inverted: The American flag (or more correctly the United States Ensign) is not a symbol of our government, current or otherwise. It is a symbol of the principles that this nation was founded upon. Today I view the flying of the American flag (and the Gadsden flag I fly below it) as a statement of my firm principles AGAINST the current administration.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Bill: I like you, fly the American Flag with the Gadsen Flag on a seperate and lower poll and for the same reason. I think some nationalities have servitude to an overbearing gvt. in their DNA. That comes from generations of serfdom. We Scots-Irish are a rebellious breed and freedom is in our soul.

  • S.C.Murf

    Thank you Mrs. Wood and keep talk’en he does listen!
    Thanks Chip

    up the hill

  • H B Edwards

    A small correction in flying the flag is that the Chaplain’s pennant may be flown above the National Flag only during services.

  • Jon

    Chip, you forgot to mention how to fly the flag for distress, which is upside down. Thanks for the article on the flag. It’s needed, I am a retired military vet and fly our flag every day. It’s my way of thanking my country. Jon W

  • iceman

    flying a distressed (inverted) flag and will turn it right side up soon as we can call the usa– THE U.S.A.again and be proud of it ….remember freedom is not free… my blood has spilled for our freedom and i should not have to guard my freedoms from my neighbours (a neighbour tried taking my flag down while it was right side up because they were not American and it was offensive to them)

    • independant thinker

      “(a neighbour tried taking my flag down while it was right side up because they were not American and it was offensive to them)”

      As mentioned above that is a part of the reason I fly my three flags. If I caught anyone trying to take them down those people would rue the day they thought about it and tried.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        independant thinker,
        God help the person, official, whatever, that tries to take down my flag!!! That flag represents my freedoms according to the constitution, and anyone that tries to remove my flag will get a boot in the azz or something a whole lot more harsh!!! If you get my meaning!!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      In some places flying the flag upside down as a sign of distress is considered illegal. People have been charged and fined for doing it.

  • Jon

    Chip, you might write an article about what the different parts of the flag mean. Keep up the good work. Jon W

    • independant thinker

      Good Idea.

  • Ray

    You wrote “Obama clearly believes that our rights come from government, not from God”

    Maybe Obama should read our Nation Anthem “The Star Spangled Banner”

    The fourth verse:

    O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
    Between their lov’d homes and the war’s desolation;
    Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land
    Praise the Pow’r that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause is just,
    And this be our motto: “In God is our trust”
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

  • Vigilant

    Chip, I thank you and your wife for the article.

    My ancestors came here in 1754 at the beginning of the French & Indian War, joined the colonial militia to fight against tyranny during the Revolution, and have fought in every war of the US since. Nineteen of my ancestors fought for the Union during the Civil War.

    I retired after 24 years of Air Force service and then worked for NATO as a civilian for another 14 years.

    The US Flag and the 1775 Navy Jack fly proudly in front of my home.

    As for Roger Daniell’s comments, I could not have said it better.

    The day after the 2008 election, I DID take my flags down, until I talked with some friends and realized that the flag represents the glory and sacrifice of the loyal Americans who fought and died to make this country great. I pledge allegiance to the country for which it stands, not the communist usurper that through some travesty now holds the office of President.

    God Bless America!

  • http://Yahoo Ralph Kautz

    You forgot that congress passed a law that allows Veterans,Military personnel out of uniform and military retirees to render the hand salute vice the civilian salute when rendering honors to the National Ensign.This was done to honor their service to this country,and as a retired military Vietnam Veteran I appreciate that.

  • Andy R

    We fly a flag in front of our home every day. We are proud to be Americans and will not give up our feelings for this country no matter who is in the White House. I expect my elected officials to uphold their oath to protect and defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic and hold myself to this same oath as a citizen. This country is strong and will overcome this latest attack on our freedoms because there are still more people who understand how precious a thing that freedom is than do not. We need to show our pride in our country’s long and unique history of exceptional accomplishment and our resolve to reclaim it from the current threat by flying the flag. As long as we stand together in defense of the flag and Constitution, it is not the United States that is in trouble but the Obama administration and legislators Democrat and Republican who ignore their oath of office.

    • usmadgirl

      Andy R,

      Thank you for this positive, encouraging comment! This administration has made me so negative, that I needed to be reminded that there is still hope. If ALL the freedom loving people stand together, united as one, we can bring this country back to what our founders intended, NOT to just what it was before this administration declared “war” against its own citizens!

    • independant thinker

      “This country is strong and will overcome this latest attack on our freedoms because there are still more people who understand how precious a thing that freedom is than do not.”

      I hope you are correct Andy I hope you are correct.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Well said Andy and yes, there are more of us than them. However, voter fraud with the electronic system needs to monitored closely for accuracy.

  • http://AOL john

    I am English and I fly the Union Jack and proud of it.

    • iceman

      if that is where your from more power to you…. but i dont see you trying to take down other peoples flags ( isn’t flying of flag part of the first admement sp?)

    • Gabe

      Dear Sir

      I thought this was settled 07/04/1776 but you are welcomed to fly your flag next to ours if properly positioned

      any way it does have red white and blue just in a different way
      no disrespect intended Sir

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      God Save the Queen !

    • S.C.Murf

      We are brothers, truly

      up the hill

    • spike

      Well, John, that’s nice that your respect your native land, but respect our land, too, and if you chose to live here, then you should choose to respect our flag, too.That is my basic problem with immigrant-minded persons. They don’t seem to get it. This is America! Not African-America, British-America, Canadian-America, Spanish,latino,hispanic-America, Irish-America, Chi-America—IT IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! We fought long and hard for that title, and, damn it, RESPECT IT OR LEAVE!!!

      • usmadgirl


        Amen! People come here supposedly to escape their own tyranny or to live their “American Dream”, but bring the “baggage” from their previous country with them. I don’t get it! If they want to come here to be Americans, then they need to be Americans…PERIOD! Not hyphenated Americans! How many “African-Americans” do you know that have EVER been to Africa? I’m part Irish, English, Spanish, German & American Indian. Too many hyphens for me!!! I’ll just stick with American!

        • sylviam

          Amen!!! again, I am Native AMERICAN & Irish American & German American, but I AM AMERICAN. Try filling out a document of any kind and having to put all that on the{?} origen of birth or what-ever the ? is. I say to HELL with POLITICALLY CORRECTNESS, I AM AMERICAN proudly, and to the ones that do not “immegrants” understanding that don’t just leave but GET THE HELL OUT.

          • usmadgirl


            My thoughts exactly!

          • American Citizen

            Just say, “I am an American.” What difference does our ancestry make? I am of French/German descent, but I am a “just plain American” since this is the land of my birth.

      • Andee

        Ask we Native Americans about immigration! I bet we could tell you a lot………………yep, if any of you out there feel you do not respect our Constitution, our Flag, our Declaration of Independence and if you are a Muslim that is impeding upon our rights as Christian, please do us all a favor, if you don’t like how we were settled, what we believe in, whom we trust, then leave and don’t let the door hit you in the as you leave…just leave. We will not miss you at all.

  • William Conaway

    I fly my flag continuously. It has a light on it and has flown since our soldiers went to Bosnia. It won’t come down till all our troops come home. I didn’t serve, but I do support all our troops who have.
    My homeowners association hasn’t made any issue over it. If they do, then there may be a local war.

  • Alan

    Blatant disrespect for the ‘Stars and Stripes’, such as that demonstrated by the current Liar in Chief, should be a criminal offense in my opinion.
    Our flag is a big part of the landscape around our home. From mounted 3′x5′, to 4″x6″ versions, to window stickers, to lapel and hat pins. They are a symbol of pride and patriotism in and for the greatest nation in the history of the world.
    One of my most prized possessions, which never leaves its display case, flew over Camp Fallujah Iraq in Nov ’06. Dedicated to my wife and myself by my nephew, a Marine Corp officer, for our support of the 5th Marine Regiment. He was KIA in Afghanistan nearly two years to the day after that dedication. So, you can imagine what that flag means to me. God bless our troops, and God bless ‘Old Glory’.
    Semper Fi

    • OLJingoist

      I honor your nephews sacrafice.
      Sempre Fi

      • http://?? Joe H.

        As do I. God Bless your nephue!

    • Renee

      I was never in the service but my father and both brothers served. I have my father’s flag, the one they gave me at his funeral and it’s a treasure to me too. Our prayer is that the evil in this current administration will be removed and that God fearing, country serving, liberty loving, constitution protecting men and women would replace those that take everything we hold dear and step on it for their own perverted use. I proudly fly our flag daily for what it stands for no matter who is in office because they can never take away how this great country was founded even though they are trying to polute the minds of our young people with trash and lies. Pray for this country and pray hard!

      • usmadgirl


        My sentiments exactly!

    • Claire

      Alan–God blees your nephew, you and your entire family.

      • Claire

        I am so sorry–I meant “bless.” And I mean every word I posted.

  • Miguelina Lewandowski

    I lived in a retirement Community and I guess some of my neighbors gave up in life and don’t fly the Flag anymore but I do (everyday)It remind me of how lucky I am to be part of this Beautiful Nation I love it!

  • Barb

    Hi Guys I’m Back! Our neighborhood is a mixture of ages an economic groups. We and a couple of others have flown the flag proudly for many years. Since Osama Obama got elected and he dissed our flag EVERYONE for three blocks flies our flag proudly now!! Says a lot doesn’t it? We are proud of our neighborhood and city for the amount of flags that are flying the last couple of years! And more and more are going up too! There are still a lot of defiant and proud Americans in this country and you should see the campaign yard signs too, HA! The Damndemocrats don’t have a chance here!

    • independant thinker

      Glad to have you back.

  • Gabe

    What can we do about all these foreign flags some people fly in front of their homes? I am truly convinced most of them do this out of ignorance of the law
    Any suggestions

    Thanks from one american in a sea of immigrants

    • Vigilant

      I don’t think they’re breaking the law by doing so.

      • Gabe

        The Flag Etiquette I found is at the Junto Society website and contains information regarding the issue of another country’s flag being flown alone which is in section 8.
        to wit:

        The following flag laws and regulations are contained in the Public Law as amended July 7, 1976 by the 94th Congress of the United States. They set forth the existing rules, customs and etiquette pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America.

        Section 8

        Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation.

        No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

        • BobS

          Gabe, you found the proverbial can of worms. :) Good for you. I never knew such a law existed. Thanks

        • Tinwarble


          I’m not sure were you got that information. Under Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8, it has to do with “Respect for the Flag” & does not state what you have written.

          Section 10 does state:
          §10. Modification of rules and customs by President

          Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation

          And under Section 7 is states:
          (c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the
          same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of
          America, except during church services conducted by navalchaplains
          at sea, then the church pennant may be flown above the flag during
          church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall
          display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or
          international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior
          prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United
          States at any place within the United States or any Territory or
          possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall
          make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed
          of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of
          superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions
          of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United
          States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
          (g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to
          be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should
          be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the
          display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in
          time of peace.

          Visit and for more rule & regulations.

    • Kinetic1

      Showing pride in your heritage is not illegal. In fact, what could be more American than recognizing the diversity of our citizens? If your neighbors are flying their foreign flags above the American flag, then that’s a problem (though not a legal one,) but I hate to think of the day when we are so “American” that we forget about the freedoms our founders fought for.

      • Vigilant


        I think you are correct. The Flag Code is not binding in law for individual citizens; it is, rather, an “etiquette.”

        It’s hard for me to believe that protesters can legally burn a flag as a First Amendment right while others can’t fly the flag of their chosen (or birthright) nations.

        Don’t get me wrong; I love and respect the flag of the US. But I believe that the all-encompassing wisdom of the Founders left room for this freedom of expression. It’s been said (and rightly so) that the First Amendment was included not to protect polite speech, but to ptotect rude and offensive speech, as long as it didn’t advocate the overthrow of the government.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          When you see someone burning the flag, help them out. as they’re lighting it throw a can of gasoline on them (by accident) and tell the cops it was an accident—-OOPS ! you were just trying to help.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            i have always maintained that they have a right to burn the flag and I have a right to express my anger over it! My only problem is I have a hard time putting my anger into words so if I use a prop and plant a number 9 1/2 up their azz so be it!!!

          • Claire

            JoeH—And I would be right there with you raising hell.

          • Tinwarble

            How about we combine the 2. Exchange Joe H’s 9 1/2 for a gasoline soaked flag, then tell them that they can now burn it all they want. I know that this may be disrespectful in oh, so many ways, but I think at the same time it would be patriotic.

      • s c

        K, consider a double career as a pre-programmed parrot and a lisping ventriloquist. How do you get off daring to imply that your White House “God” gives one royal damn about our freedoms when that space cadet basket case is doing his WORST to destroy our freedoms?
        Take your frickin’ pills and go back to bed, comrade. if you’re ‘better’ in any sense of the word, it’s physically – not mentally.

        • Kinetic1

          I didn’t say a word about President Obama. What is your problem?

    • spike

      yEAH, I have a few suggestions. They should either love this country, or leave her the hell alone. Maybe you could get a few more flags, and put up a sign. Play the star spangled banner.


    It puzzles me, why certain foreigners who detest our free nation, stay? they desicrate our flag, complain about our freedom & liberty well go back to your perfect, controled dictatorships and let us enjoy our GOD given free NATION the greatest on earth!!! The USA will survive this CORRUPT, fraudulant ADMINISTRATION, WITH ALL THEIR LIES & DECEITFULNESS, THE distroyers of our GOD GIVEN FREEDOM & LIBERTY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE!!! I, JAMES, WOULD BE HAPPY TO PAY THEIR PASSAGE TO ISLAM, SINCE THEY CHERRISH ITS BRUTALITY & HATRED SO MUCH TO BE PART OF ITS SOCIETY? FAREWELL TO CORRUPTION & INCIDENCE! ALAS WE HAVE OUR BEAUTIFUL COUTRY BACK!!! “HOME OF THE BRAVE, LAND OF THE FREE. AMEN AND THANK YOU LORD, SHALOM WE ARE SAVED REGARDS JAMES

    • Kinetic1

      “ALAS WE HAVE OUR BEAUTIFUL COUTRY BACK!!!” Are you sorry about regaining your country? What is your point, or is this just another delusional conservative rant?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        K. you’re confused, this is the United States, not the Soviet Union.
        We are losing our nation of a free people.

  • Josh

    I was born in Canada but my parents moved to the United States of America when I was two years old. I now live in Canada and want to say that “NOTHING MAKES ME MORE PROUD THAN TO SEE THE US FLAG WAVING IN THE BREEZE.” It’s a thrill to me and I will always feel that way. God bless America.

    • R. Bruce Davin

      God Bless America!! I hope this revered phrase makes all the leftist liberal degenerates bile flow like Niagra Falls. What a nasty comment huh? God Bless America.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDiges Norma

    The flag of the United States of America is neither Republican, Democrat or Independent. But, it represents me! It belongs to ‘my country’! It represents the freedom that Dave (above), and lunatics like him in other countries, have a right to disrespect.
    Dave talks a big story, but when push comes to shove, I well imagine that he would drape himself in that same flag in order to save his sorry backside.
    I am 65 years old, and I never had the opportunity to serve my country in any branch of the service. But my father did, five uncles did, my brother-in-law did, my nephew does, and my two grandsons do. They are the ones who have stood toe to toe with the enemy to protect Dave’s right to be so sarcastic and ill informed, and to spout a liberal, anti-American biased babble.
    My father’s casket was draped with the flag that Dave seems so hell bent on disparaging. It also gives me the right to let Dave know how I feel about him. His political correctness is enough to make me want to vomit.
    And just incase you do not know what political correctness is: “It is a foul smelling doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical MINORITY, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous and smelly mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possble to pick poo up by the clean end.”

    • DaveH

      You obviously know little about Freedom, Norma.
      Unfortunately, to most of you, Freedom means doing things your way. I hate to burst your ignorant bubbles, but that is not Freedom. The Negative, Personally Attacking commenters have proven my point about the flag. It has just become a rallying point for those on the Far-Right who have taken away our Freedom just as effectively as those on the Far-Left.

      • BobS

        Hey Idiot, most of the people in here are writing about the article that Chip wrote, and a very nice one I might add. We are patriots. We don’t fly a flag to support our government. We fly a flag for the love of our great country and to remember the ones that have paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. If you don’t like the topic of discussion go take your meds and go to a terrorist site and rant your garbage about our great nation. I am sure they can try to find a bus for you to drive somewhere.

      • spike

        Dave, After reading all of these comments you make, I have come to the conclusion that not only do you have a hard head, but a hard heart.
        If you don’t like the flag, and and you don’t like our DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, where we are guaranteed certain rights: We hold these truths to be self eveident. That all men are created equal and endowed BY THEIR CREATOR (NOT THE U.S. OR ANY GOVERNMENT)certain inalienable rights. Among them: life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. Our forefathers fought long and hard. Suffering incredible hardship and indignities for not only the Constitution and Declaration, and the Revolutionary War. I WILL NOT HAVE YOU DISSING MY COUNTRY, MY FLAG, OR THE PRECIOUS SOIL THAT WE CALL AMERICA. Your jerkery is very disturbing.

        • JeffH

          spike, sorry to burst your bubble but the elected elite and their hardcore supporters have been dissing our flag, our Constitution and our freedoms for decades now. Our republic is anything but a republic anymore. Money, power and greed has replaced what our forefathers had envisioned for this once great country and they set up the warning signs to prevent it. We, the people, have allowed the systematic theft of freedom and liberty that is taking place, from within, by a worldly group of elitists that continue to set in place our ultimate demise.

          We have a chance to make a difference in November…I just hope their is enough change left to make a difference.

      • Tinwarble


        Now why would you go and denigrate people by saying that they don’t know anything about freedom, just because they love their country & the flag for which it stands.

        You can love your country, even if it has become or is becoming something that you don’t like, just as someone can love one of their kids, even when they do bad things. I don’t really understand what your problem is with people proudly displaying the flag. It is either that you don’t understand what the flag stands for or that you can’t separate the difference between the flag, which represents the country & thereby represents us, the people, from the government, who is supposed to act on our behalf, but usually acts on its own behalf.

        You should probably take a step back and take a deeper look at how you see the flag. I’m not asking you to change your views, but only to try to see the flag as some of us, who have stood on the battlefield in defense of freedom, see the flag. To see it not as a representation of the government or what the government does, but what it really is, a representation of the American people, who are capable of great things.

      • Bill

        No DaveH,

        It is you that obviously doesn’t know one D**N thing about Freedom, Liberty and the battles fought to make and keep America Free.

        I am a Military Veteran that served 31 years protecting and defending this great nation and insuring that the Freedoms we enjoy now can continue for my children and grand children. Yes, I fought in some of battles and wars in recent American history and have the battle scares to back it up. I almost died four (4) times defending and protecting America from those who would do it harm. I watched many of my Brother’s and Sister’s in Arms removed from the battlefield in body bags and metal coffins.

        I and my Brother’s and Sister’s did this of our own free will. We did this so no American has to look out their windows and see battle’s raging in their front or back yards. We did this so people such as you can express yourselves without fear of government intervention. We did this knowing full well we may not live. knowing full well we might die in some foreign country. I always carried a small American Flag in my combat pack right next to the picture of my wife and children and when I needed a reminder of why I was doing this, all I needed to do was look at the American Flag and the picture of my family. That’s all the motivation I needed to help me fight harder.

        Yes, The American Flag means a Great Deal to me and countless other Americans. I display it not only for the Honor it brings and means but, I also display it in Honor of the young men and women that have enough Pride, Honor and sense of duty to pick up that torch of freedom that myself and countless other have passed to them in order to keep America free.

        By the way DaveH, I am not a Democrat or Republican. I am not left wing or right wing. I am an American that’s proud of my Country, Our Flag and those that fight to keep it that way. What have you done for America lately??????

  • susanburnette

    thank you for this i did not know about the pin but i fly a flag every day of the year .I’m proud of what our country was at one time and pray we get back to the time when all our people our proud . if there not just leave i’ll be proud of that.

  • American

    In response to the code regarding retirement of worn flags: It IS proper and certainly dignified to burn the American flag if done correctly. I’d hate to think anyone reading this article would burn the flag in a way that looks like something happening in another country you may see on the news. May I suggest calling a local Boy Scout troop and asking them to perform the ceremony? Not only can you attend the event and show your respect for the Nation’s symbol of freedom as it’s put to rest but it’s a great way for the young boys to learn what the flag represents as well.

    • Kinetic1

      That’s a great idea, however I must tell you that our troop has a backlog of flags to burn. Seems like there just isn’t enough time for our local VFW and scouts to deal with all the retired flags that come our way. Sometimes i seems like we could have a ceremony at every meeting!


      I have to apoligize to those, that I was trying to honor, by flying the Flag. I have flown a tatered and worn flag, not knowing it was improper. I thought of it as a flag that has shown it’s perserverance and still hangs proudly. I didn’t know I should have retired it and that the condition of the flag was representative of our pride for it. In all actuality, I was extremely proud of it, for it’s many years of usage. (For ex., Like the hole in Willie Nelsons box guitar from years of usage he was proud to show and the wear on something vintage that has sentimental value.)
      But I will retire it now and replace it with a new Flag. To those Service Men and Women and patriots of our great country, please except my deepest apologies for my ignorance of this point. Thanks to those of you who have honored and shared the proper etiquette of flying our country’s Flag. I am deeply grateful.

      • Kinetic1

        I understand and appreciate your view. I don’t mean to suggest that you are less of an American for flying a tattered flag as not all of us can run out and get a new one every time they wear out. My complaint was for those who insist on showing us all up by flying a 30 foot flag and then complain that it’s too expensive to replace when it is worn out. The size of your flag says nothing about the level of your respect.

  • http://NONE Bill

    I agree with everything about the flag except the negative comments. My biggest concern is how soon will pres OB,the ACLU, and Eric Holdup make us fly the swastika flag or the hammer and sickle fly also.

    • Kinetic1

      Give the “nazi communist” rant a rest, Bill.

  • Kaye Leidy

    Thank you, Mrs. Wood.

  • jenersea

    Anyone who does not get emotional when the flag goes by, they play the Star Spangled Banner, or John Philip Souza marches like The Stars and Stripes forever is way beyond my comprehension. Maybe its because they have never been half way around the world lonely, scared, and fighting in some hell hole, not knowing if you will ever see your homeland again and the only thing that you had of the United States was that flag that was flying over your head.

    • Vigilant


      Many, perhaps most, of the people under 50 years of age, don’t get that emotion because the media and schools have gone out of their way in the last 40 years or so to dilute, denigrate or deny the best of American history.

      Instead, they concentrate on any negatives they find (or fabricate) about our Founders and other great Americans. Have we made mistakes as a country? Of course we have. Have the mechanisms for redress in the Constitution been employed to make things better? Yes.

      University professors today, by a substantial margin, have abdicated their responsibilities to objectively educate their charges, instead relying on a leftist agenda and marking down or failing any student who dares challenge them with conservative viewpoints. This is not opinion, it’s proven fact.

  • s c

    At the moment (69 feedback entries so far), I haven’t seen any progressive responses on this topic. Could it be that progressives avoid topics like this one?

    • Kinetic1

      Sorry, sc. I was ill yesterday, but I finished up my post today. I’m not sure what made me feel so sick, but it could have been the number of people on this site who want to use our flag as a tool for protest instead of a symbol of our nations honor, it’s history and it’s potential.

  • Kinetic1

    Sorry Chip. As you can see the uber patriots on this site can’t even bring themselves to fly a flag so long as they can’t have their way. Sure, I couldn’t stand Bush and I had many reasons to suspect him of stealing the election, but that wouldn’t stop me from flying my flag.

    As far as those who do fly their flags, my biggest problem is those people who insist on flying a GIANT flag and then use the cost of replacement as an excuse to fly a wind torn, tattered edged flag. We may have flown flags in this condition in battle, but it says something about a persons pride and patriotism when they allow our nations symbol to be seen in such a state. I suppose it would seem appropriate to those who can’t separate our nation’s politics from it’s core, but I can’t abide by it.

    • Vigilant


      I’ve respected the way you present your views, and I know we agree in some areas. But I’m afraid we part ways on your statement, “I couldn’t stand Bush and I had many reasons to suspect him of stealing the election…”

      Were you aware of the several news organizations and/or independent scholars who did their own recount of the FL ballots? I think every one of them (reluctantly) came to the conclusion that Bush did indeed win the popular vote in that state.

      It was, if I’m not mistaken, the Gore advocates who insisted on “recount, recount and recount until we get the result we like.” Gore, of course, would have won the election were it not for the Electoral College, and there is, or should be, reasonable pressure to revoke this antiquated institution, but that’s exceptionally unlikely to happen.

      There’s some persuasive evidence that JFK lost the popular vote, too, such as Daley’s using the cemetaries of Chicago to vote him (JFK) in. But Nixon lost the Electoral College vote by a larger margin.

      The egregious errors of recount are evident in the installation of Al Franken as Senator, and indicate the lengths to which zealous lieutenants can go to skew an election in their favor. Anyone, regardless of Party affiliation, should be incarcerated if they engage in such nefarious activities.

      I didn’t agree with much of what Bush did, but I won’t challenge the legitimacy of his election.

      • Kinetic1

        My understanding is that, had the precincts requested by the Gore campaign been counted, Bush would still have won. However, if all of Florida had been recounted (and it was by several sources) Gore would have won. I may not feel this way had the Republicans not sent plants to Florida to protest and the conservatives on the Supreme court not chosen to bypass our right to a proper election in favor of avoiding conflict. Also, in 2004 Ohio was ordered to hold all ballots for a recount, but witnesses saw poll workers dumping them in stacks. For these reasons, if no others I will continue to question the Presidency of George Walker Bush.

        • Eric Bischoff

          And Kinetic1 let’s not forget Bush/Cheney’s IT guy Mike Connell who was diverting the vote count to his servers first. He was also the guy who was hosting the illegal email accounts for Bush and Cheney and unfortunately he died in a mysterious plane crash before he could testify/spill the beans on what he had done for them. But I am sure that is just another coincidence.

          For anyone interested in election theft, BBC investigative reporter Greg Pallast has done a couple of documentaries and written books on the subject. He dug up a lot of stuff that make you really angry about the mess our electoral process is in. We certainly have no leg to stand on anymore when we criticize other country’s for their unfair elections.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Vigilant: I used to believe, as you do about the Electoral College. Then someone pointed out to me that with a Popular Vote System the major population centers such as NY, LA, Atlanta, and a couple of others could elect the pres. by themselves. The rural and less populated States wouldn’t have a say. We need to keep the EC. for that reason. If there is anything that needs changed it is how the primaries are held. They should be held on the same day in every State. That way all candidates are available to everyone to vote on. As it is now by the time some primaries come around many worthy candidates have been eliminated, limiting voters choices. While I’m on my soap box I’d like to say a word about voter fraud. It should be considered a felony with those participating willingly and knowingly should be prosecuted by severe fines and imprisonment. All votes gained by such methods need to be immediately dropped and those involved should lose their voting rights for 10 yrs. Voter fraud is a treasonous act against the citizens of America.

        • Kinetic1

          While we’re on the subject, let’s try public funding and no ads. Our “leaders” spend much to much time raising money and courting big donors for the next election. We need them to be concentrating on the needs of our country, not the wants of special interests. And the campaign ads offer little or nothing to the education of our voters. So many people base their votes on what they hear in these ads, never taking the time to investigate what has been said. If all who were running were seated for a few publicly televised debates, then we might get somewhere. Go ahead, make some outlandish claim in front of your opponent! It’ easy to get away with lies when you can outspend him, but when he’s right there, ready to defend himself it’s another story.

          One more thing, instant runoffs. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this concept, let’s say you wanted to vote for Sarah Palin, but you felt like Mitt Romney had a better chance of winning. You know you can’t risk letting the Liberal win, so you would vote for Mitt. With instant runoff you could vote for Palin as your number 1 and Mitt number 2. If Palin fails to win, your vote is shifted to Romney. He may still lose, but it had nothing to do with your taking a chance on a Independent. This finally gives us a real path to a third party. No more concerns over splitting the vote.

          • Vigilant


            Very good post. I recently wrote a letter to the editor of my local paper lambasting the practice of placing political signs in every intersection and on lawns and highways. When the cynical politicians treat us as idiots by depending upon name recognition and bandwagon effect to get themselves elected, it does not apeak well of the wisdom of universal suffrage. What’s worse, they wouldn’t be doing it unless some people were actually swayed by sound bites, media ad blitzes and name exposure.

            The runoff idea seems to have a great deal of merit.

        • usmadgirl


          I agree whole heartedly!!!

        • Vigilant

          The “leveling” effect of the EC is precisely why the small states would never allow a Constitutional amendment, as you say. Still, there seems to be something eminently unfair in electing someone who does not have the backing of a majority or plurality of the voters.

          In this thoroughly blue state of NY, I always feel that my votes for non-liberal candidates are wasted.

          As a philosophical matter, is it right to give some votes a greater weight than others? It’s a knotty problem.

  • norman l corbin

    Chip, It is really a shame that men and women have given the highest price for helping keep their fellow men (and women) the opportunity to live their lives in peace. If it were not for people like us who believe and try to live to make a difference for all we would still be living in the caveman era! UNDERSTAND THE REAL MEANING OF OUR FLAG AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS NOT JUST A PIECE OF MATERIAL USED TO HOIST ON SELECT OCCASIONS. I PERSONALLY THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT GAVE, AND IS still GIVING ME THE OPPORTUINTY AND THE RIGHT TO LIVE freely!

  • TPDN

    Just make sure your flag (and everything else you buy, really) is not made in China, nothing is more infuriating than a “patriot” with a flag clipped to their car or a giant flag on their home that gives money to our creditors.

  • L.J.

    Thank you Chip for informing people on how to respect our flag. In this day and age people need to be not just reminded, but TOLD how to respect and display our flag because the educational system has done their very best to DUMB DOWN Americans on this and other matters.
    Thomas Jefferson wrote that if the people are going to govern themselves, then they need to be educated. Herein lies the reason for the NEA, teachers unions, etc. for dumbing down the electorate and here’s another shocker for you–the dumbing down BEGAN in the late 1800′s!

  • Wanda

    Mr Wood,

    Thank your precious wife for me!

    Have a very Blessed Day!


  • Joan Dever

    Thank you so much for this wonderful informative article about our wonderful American Flag that represents our great country. God bless and keep up the good fight. We the people love our God and the country that He has blessed so we honor our Flag.

  • Julian Carnes

    A recent (2009) law permits veterans and military retirees to render the hand salute during the playing of the “Star Spangled Banner” and when the Colors pass by. The Commandant of the Marines has directed former Marines NOT to salute but to place their hands over their hearts. I am proud to salute as it warms my heart to know I am honoring my flag and my country as I did during my 20+ years of service as a soldier.

  • Al Kidder

    I found this artical a few years ago.I believe your readers would enjoy.
    How many steps does the guard take during his walk across the tomb of the Unknowns.

    This is really an awesome sight to watch if you’ve never had the chance.Very fascinating. Tomb of the Unknown Soldier
    1. How many steps does the guard take during his walk across the tomb of the Unknowns and why?

    21 steps. It alludes to the twenty-one gun salute,
    which is the highest honor given any military or foreign dignitary.

    2. How long does he hesitate after his about face to begin his return walk and why?

    21 seconds for the same reason as answer number 1

    3. Why are his gloves wet?

    His gloves are moistened to prevent his losing his grip on the rifle.
    4. Does he carry his rifle on the same shoulder all the time and if not, why not?

    He carries the rifle on the shoulder away from the tomb.

    After his march across the path, he executes an about face and moves the rifle to the outside shoulder.

    5. How often are the guards changed?

    Guards are changed every thirty minutes, twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year.
    6. What are the physical traits of the guard limited to?

    For a person to apply for guard duty at the tomb, he must be
    between 5′ 10″ and 6′ 2″ tall and his waist size cannot exceed 30.” Other requirements of the Guard: They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives. They cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives and cannot disgrace the uniform {fighting} or the tomb in any way. After two years, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin.
    The shoes are specially made with very thick soles to keep the heat and cold from their feet. There are metal heel plates that extend to the top of the shoe in order to make the loud click as they come to a halt.
    There are no wrinkles, folds or lint on the uniform. Guards dress for duty in front of a full-length mirror.
    The first six months of duty a guard cannot talk to anyone, nor watch TV. All off duty time is spent studying the 175 notable people laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery. A guard must memorize who they are and where they are interred. Among the notables are: President Taft, Joe E. Lewis (the boxer) and Medal of Honor winner Audie Murphy (the most decorated soldier of WWII) of Hollywood fame.
    Every guard spends five hours a day getting his uniforms ready for guard duty.


    In 2003 as Hurricane Isabelle was approaching Washington, DC, our US Senate/House took 2 days off with anticipation of the storm. On the ABC evening news, it was reported that because of the dangers from the hurricane, the military members assigned the duty of guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier were given permission to suspend the assignment. They respectfully declined the offer, “No way, Sir!” Soaked to the skin, marching in the pelting rain of a tropical storm, they said that guarding the Tomb was not just an assignment, it was the highest honor that can be
    afforded to a serviceperson. The tomb has been patrolled continuously, 24/7, since 1930.
    God Bless and keep them.

    • Bob B.

      Al, thanks for sharing that great information about the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and about the proud and honorable Guard unit that stands vigil. Very interesting and enlightening.

    • independant thinker

      “They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives. They cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives and cannot disgrace the uniform {fighting} or the tomb in any way. After two years, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin.
      The shoes are specially made with very thick soles to keep the heat and cold from their feet. There are metal heel plates that extend to the top of the shoe in order to make the loud click as they come to a halt.
      There are no wrinkles, folds or lint on the uniform. Guards dress for duty in front of a full-length mirror.
      The first six months of duty a guard cannot talk to anyone, nor watch TV. All off duty time is spent studying the 175 notable people laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery. A guard must memorize who they are and where they are interred. Among the notables are: President Taft, Joe E. Lewis (the boxer) and Medal of Honor winner Audie Murphy (the most decorated soldier of WWII) of Hollywood fame.
      Every guard spends five hours a day getting his uniforms ready for guard duty.”

      Some of this is either incorredt or only partialy correct. A couple of examples, the average time served as a tomb guard is one year and they are not required to live “in barracks under the tomb”.

  • Michael


    I could be wrong but I believe I heard that us active & former service members are now supposed to salute the flag even when out of uniform. I don’t know if that is a new DoD reg or something but I remember hearing that recently. It would be great if you could please verify that and, if correct, update your guide. If that is not correct I would appreciate knowing that as well.

    Regards, Michael

  • Mr_Darrell

    A recent change: Veterans can also render the hand salute.

    A change to Section 9 of the US Flag Code, written into the Defense Authorization Act of 2008, now gives veterans and members of the US Armed Forces the authority to render a hand salute to the flag, whether or not in uniform, or wearing the apparel of a VSO (veterans service organization) such as the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, or Vietnam Veterans’ cap.

  • NuSparkey

    Geez, I never knew it was that complicated.
    I fly MY flag to remind ME where we came from.
    The fact that we left England because of their 3% tax and are now at 40% all by ourselves should make us all think about the mess we’re in and how government needs to be shrunk. I get reminded every time I see her!

    • Vigilant

      Jefferson listed 27 abuses and usurpations in the Declaration of Independence, and taxation without representation ws number 17. But the point is valid.

  • Kate

    I too fly the flag, although intermittently. (Every day would signal to the neighborhood when I’m not home and the house is free to pick.) The flag is the symbol of this wonderful and unique country and of our patriotism not of any political party or person. If by flying the flag I can get even one more person to realize this country’s greatness and not take our liberties for granted I feel that I will have accomplished something. We must stand up for what we believe. In unity there is strength and we must unite to keep this country the greatest the world has ever known.

  • Margaret Randerson

    Thanks for you informative email about proper way to handle our flag. And also, thanks to your wife for her part in getting this out to us!
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  • James Hay

    i HAVE an SHIRT THAT HAS AN American Flag On it Which I Feel Shows My Deep Rooted Love For Our Great Country Iwill Not Destroy It Or Dispose of it Simply Because it Represent The Country I Love And right Now Needs Defending From Traitors Like the OneS In Washington Who Are Actively Trying to Destroy It From Within. Every One of these Traitors Should Be Summarily Exrcuted.

  • JUROR 64529


    I pledge allegiance to (the flag) not one with a gold fringe adorning 3 sides of it. The flag code can be seen at:
    The United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag
    1. §4. Pledge of allegiance to the (((flag;))) NOT FLAGS manner of delivery
    The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the (((Republic))) for which it stands,NOT THE DEMOCRACY one Nation (((under God,))) NOT MOHAMAD OR SHERIA LAW indivisible, with liberty and (((justice for))) all.”, THAT SAID WHY DO WE HAVE GOLD FRINGE ON OUR NATIONAL FLAG? When the laws of the pledge and the flag clearly do not permit its use by law §8. Respect for flag it says in law on line g.The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. So let me point out one more thing The letter of the law says that when you ad a letter S at the end of any word in the Webster Dictounary it changes that word fron singular to plural.
    This means we now have duel allegiances to the flags. This is what I call doubble standards one to the government. AND ONE TO ITS PEOPLE.

  • Patriot

    I fly the flag every day; have done so since 9/11, used to put it up only on holidays, everything changed for me on 9/11! I still get chills every time I look at it and every time I hear the National Anthem. If you do not feel the same way, I feel very sorry for you! You may want to read up on your history of all the men and women that have given up everything for this great symbol of hope, libery and freedom! God Bless America!

    • Vigilant

      I would enjoin everyone, left and right, to read up on the history of the founding of our nation. My interest has always been American history, but there were many years when I failed to go back and extensively refresh my knowledge. Around 15 years ago I resumed my journey, and what a trip it has been!

      The trick is to get good history books that haven’t been subject to the revisionists’ pen in the last 40 years or so. There are many good ones out there, but you need to check out the author before buying.

  • jopa

    Some of my neighbors fly what look like ornamental flags and mine is the only US flag.Growing up in a poor part of Americas mid-west meant you were going to war if there was one going on which is usually the case.I have been to many military funerals with the flag draped coffins of my relatives and neighbors so when I look at that flag I think mainly of the men and women in harms way today and in the past.To think of all the sacrifices that were made to make this country what it is truly amazing.When President Obama was elected to office we were able to show the rest of the world how far we have come and the rest of the world was also amazed and now they know what America is all about.

  • Hugh B. Mulvaney Jr.

    you do not fly the flag from, in, on, over or under a tree. the flag code (not enforceable, by the way) requires that the flag always be flown ALOFT and FREE. that means no bushes, telephone poles or wires, mini-flags stuck in flower pots or planted so they’ll fall over and NOT ON CLOTHING!!!
    old (81)soldier (25 years and two wars)

  • Don

    Thank you Josh from Canada, that says a lot, and from one Vet to another,, thank all you Vets for your service !!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Jopa: If you think BO is representative of what America is you have a very twisted idea of America. Poor man, you must be a recent product of public education. I will remind you that BO wouldn’t even wear an American Flag lapel pin when campaigning, because as he claimed, he was a citiazen of the World.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Barack is an insult to America. He has weakend this country before our enemies, and has put us in a bad light to the world. He has our enemies laughing at our ineptitude, and planning more of their murderous acts as he seeks to “talk” to them, instead of spanking them like they deserve. He can try his timeout all he wants, but he is arrogant to think that will work. His alliance to the Arab muslim nations is obvious, and he is a shame to this country. For anyone to say he represents us in a good fashion is an out and out lie.

  • Linda


    A big thank you to your wife for suggesting this article. I feel sorry that so many people seem to use the reply feature in these columns as an opportunity for a rant and for saying such demeaning things about the posts of others. Thankfully, that does not take away from the impact of the article itself. I guess people wouldn’t go on such tirades if it wasn’t for being impacted in some way! Please keep up the great work with your columns!

  • guyb

    Flying the flag of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in America is nothing less than showing your proud and your love for our great nation. Anyone who says flying the flag is not right is not an American. If anyone does not like to see Americans fly the American flag in America then please use your right to freely leave this great country.In America,Americans should be pround to fly our great flag and stand up for our wonderful nation. I know obama and his wife have been to many American flag burning parties but I am talking about people who love our great country,if any true American wants to proudly fly the American flag then I would say awesome…..

  • Bob B.

    I also try to fly OUR Flag every day, except when rainy weather. It is lit when I leave it up at night, or taken down at dusk.

    While I have not had the privaledge of serving in the armed forces, I did proudly serve 28 years in the fire service. Service to Country is something that we should all do in some way.

    I am exceedingly proud to be an American Citizen and proudly fly OUR symbol of freedom! It is also a symbol that we survive as a nation because of WE THE PEOPLE, not because of a political party or ideology. WE THE PEOPLE must remain true to the United States Constitution and to the principals of the Declaration of Independance and never, ever let our guard down in defense of those God given rights. We are a strong, proud and free nation and we need to ensure that we forever remain so.

    May God Bless OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the men and women who defend her every day, both military and civilian and for those who served previously.

    Thank you Chip for sharing the information on the Flag. And thank you to all have helped to further increase our collective knowledge of OUR Flag through your comments.

  • Tom

    In addition to your local VFW, many Scout troops will also take unusable US Flags for proper disposal. I am an Assistant Scoutmaster and out troop recently performen a Flag retirement ceremony and retired over 100 Flags. Also a change to Title 4 in 2008 now allow military members not in uniform as well as veterans to render the salute during Flag raising, lowering, passing and during the National Anthem, or reciting the Pledge of Allegience. I served over 23 years in the Air Force and consider it a privilidge and an honor to be able to render the slaute to the symbol of the greatest country on earth.

  • Elmer S Corby Jr

    Iam a 23 year vet 4yr USN 19 yr USAF. Loved it got my 1st choice of every assignment (Don’t Volenteer is a lie} 12 yr in Hawaii 1 in Thailand 1 california rest near east coast Mom and Dad were in Pa.
    while in Hi I took night courses on base a nd in 1974 Graduated from
    Chaminade U. I fly my flag 24/7/365 and will till all our troop[s are out of harms way. I get discusted when the NFL and other pro bames are
    televised and the National Anthym is played and players and spectators
    just stand there with a dumb look on their face.One game a whole row of hispanics were standing and carrying a conversation I hope that they were illegal aliens who don’t really want to be Americans. On my
    own street Iam the only one that flies the flag.I am thinking of putting in a Flagpoll and flying a big on with 4 spotlights. You can
    further understand me by reading my latest book. “1897-2007 110 years
    of memories with more smiles than tear. Amazon has it.

  • http://Na chuck

    Mr. Wood I totally agree with your flag remarks,especially about it being worn as an item of clothing. Well you should get a copy of the
    latest emblem and supply catalog from the veterans of foreign wars.
    In fact should you mail me a Label with your address on it I will send you one which should surprise a lot of people.Our own organizations are selling everything sacred down the road.

  • Marty C. Keef

    GOD BLESS AMERICA and the flag that represents US. May it wave, proudly, forever.

  • http://Na chuck

    Mr. Wood I totally agree with your flag remarks,especially about it being worn as an item of clothing. Well you should get a copy of the
    latest emblem and supply catalog from the veterans of foreign wars.
    they have items of wear which abridge that item.

  • http://Na chuck

    Lets be honest it matters not to those whom have never served.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Here is where we part ways! There are a great many that proudly fly the flag out of respect to our servicemembers, out of respect to what our founders envisioned for this country, and most importantly out of love for this great country and its people and to hell with the politicians!!!

    • Claire

      chuck–My son was in the Air Force for 4 years and then in the Air Guard for 12 years. He almost went to Desert Storm, but they didn’t call up all of the 183rd here in Illinois. My husband has a 7-inch piece of steel in his left leg, due to a motorcycle accident when he was a sophomore in high school. After high school, he tried to enlist but they would not take him so he went to college instead. My husband and my son are patriotic to the core of their very being. Just because people have not served in a war/armed forces does not mean they are unpatriotic. I didn’t serve and I am patriotic. Plus the fact if I had ever served and went to war, you can bet your bippy I would get as many as I could and I certainly would “cover” my fellow soldiers’ backs.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Hello all:
    Yes, the flag is indeed a significant symbol of this country. In fact, it is a profound and deeply felt reflection of our country’s history.

    Symbols are very important to those who perceive them as such.In accord with that concept, may I submit that the proposed mosque in Manhattan will be perceived by Islam as a victory shrine dedicated to the memory of 19 muslims who martyred themselves on 9/11/01 in the name of ISLAM.Think that one over in the light of Article lll, Section 3 of the Constitution pertaining to giving aid and comfort to the enemy, namely, TREASON.That mosque will not stand.End of story.

    • spike



    DAVE, You are correctaboutBIGgovernment , but TOTALLY CONFUSED about our flag and what it stands for. The American flag,Stars and Stripes, The RedWhite and Blue, Old Glory . Use which name you like and they all mean the same. Our Flag stands for and represents Our Country, Our Freedom,Our Government and all of US-whether you like it or not. Now, Big Boy, get your think straight and realize where the real problem is the Good People of this country voted wrong and let the IDIOTS get us in bad trouble. And yes, the wars are necessary to preserve our freedom..Do you want another war here?? Long time no war here. Do you know why?? One reason President Bush and our good military stopped it after 911. Now the real trouble is OBADMA is a MUSLIM and too many IDIOTS are going along with the LONG TERM PLAN to give complete control of this country and the PEOPLE to the Muslims. Read the Koran. If we are not THEM, KILL us. BEHEAD US and our FAMILIES. Brush it off and we will all suffer by the sword. GOD SAVE THE WORLD-Wecan’t do it by ourselves.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You are correct that these muslims are not a peaceful religion. They seek our deaths and all who are different than them. Yet our own weak kneed left wing liberals preach to all that we should have “tolerance” of them, while they are busy planning on how to cut off each and every one of our heads, including those same liberals who empower them. Wake up lefties, your dragging us down the slippery slope right into their swords.

  • guyb

    Hello America,,, I say fly our flag boldly and proudly.Countless men and women have stood up and died for our flag and what our great flag stands for. Freedom to express yourself even if you do not know what your talking about. Go-Go-Go America and may our flag fly high always…… Thank you for all who have served our great and wonderful nation. May GOD continue to Bless and protect all of our wonderful,standup,military men and women and there families for there awesome Patriotism to our great country,AMERICA!!!!!!!!

  • Retired Military

    DaveH & Time, you both have a screw loose. First, nobody is saying if you don’t fly it that you aren’t Patriotic. They are only saying IF you fly a flag by choice, it’s a nice Patriotic gesture and it can mean as little or as much as you want it to mean. MAYBE you wear a Ball cap or Only wear Button up Collar shirts MADE IN AMERICA, whatever, those are Your Free choices to make. Don’t SLANDER Good Americans that choose to fly THEIR flags as a representation of what it means to “THEM”, NO YOU DAVE OR TIME, Screw what you two Nut-cases think.

    I served 21 years in the military, and I choose to fly the U.S. Flag on a flagpole in my front yard, with NO regards to my political affiliation as you two airheads believe it stands for. I’ve an idea, you two should start a NO FLAG neighborhood and move there. I’m sure you and all your new neighbors would get along great sitting around whining about absolute useless subjects that have nothing to do with anything, but it would make YOU feel good.

  • GreenLeaf

    While each of us show our respect to the flag & what it stands for, plus those that gave their lives defending these principles, I also think we need to remember that the flag represents each of us, even when we disagree in a civil manner. Left or Right, liberal or conservative, we are all Americans!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      You’re correct Green Leaf; we’re all Americans. The difference is that some fight to preserve her and some fight to destroy her.

      • spike


  • Retired Military

    DaveH = Stupid = Time = DaveH
    Get the connection?

  • Rossman

    Folks, I understand what Dave is saying….Dave is confusing “Patriotism” with “Nationalism”….the difference is that Nazi Germany under Hitler required “Nationalism”….that is, a blind adherance to the State and its leaders and laws….it is a “requirement” and comes from “outside” the “heart”….lets just say it is a forced emotion….whereas “Patriotism”…is quite the opposite…that is it is an emotional adherence to the Country that is completely voluntary…lets say it is a Love for the Nation and its laws and what it stands for, but emulates from the “inside the heart” rather than “outside”….Dave is confusd as are many people…I am a “Patriot”….Obama and his ilk are “Nationalists”….thats why true “Patriots” are so fed up with this “Government”…its “UN-Patriotic”…”GOD Bless the United States”

  • GypsyP

    I knew about flag clothing but I have often wondered about our flag on umbrellas, buntings, etc. Do you know if this is appropriate?

    • Evan

      GypsyP, In terms of flag etiquette, it is not appropriate. The article is excellent and a great reminder for all Americans of a patriotic nature to fly the flag. It stands for the freedoms and liberty this country was founded upon and true patriots love and encourage us all to be true to that heritage. The founding fathers really did set a foundation of limited government and extraordinary liberties for the citizens of this country. And, yes they believed in and infused into their work of the government the ideals of Christian values which they grew up in. The political parties involved in running the government have certainly strayed from those ideals, much to the detriment of the people and their liberties. Fly the flag and remember the liberties and values that have been fought and died for. Keep that in mind, and the question of what do you want in your life, more liberty or less, when voting. Less liberty dumbs everyone down to the lowest common denominator. More liberty raise raises everyone to the highest level of their abilities.

  • Rick Rhoads

    I fly the flag too. I designed a new flag which should be flown below old glory. It’s white with two crossed Marine Sabers. Above center top, thirteen gold stars, then below the stars three words in red from left to right, UPHOLD, DEFEND, and PROTECT. Bottom center in blue the words U.S. CONSTITUTION. This much better than the One Nation Flag designed by the progressives.

    • usmadgirl

      Rick Rhoads,

      Your flag sounds great! I’d love to see it! I’d like to inform the “progressives” exactly what they can do with their “One Nation” flag! I don’t think that “One Nation” has anything to do with THIS nation, but instead the progressives’ “Global” nation.

  • Gregg

    Say Chip…. I’d thought I’d add a few items to your blog on the proper displaying and ‘definitions’ regarding our country’s flag, under The Title 4 U.S.A. Codes, Chap. 1, Sect. 1&2 & under Presidential Executive Order # 10834, Aug. 25, 1959.
    The ‘NATIONAL’ Flag Sect. 22-25, Part III Sect, 31&32 are those flags used by the Executive Branch of the Corporate FEDERAL Government in D.C and all entities under IT’s Jurisdiction. A yellow fringed flag is not authorized on a Title 4 U.S.A. Codes Chap. I Sect.1&2 Flag. It is a mutilation ( Sec.:3) The yellow fringed flag represents no nation and no constitution. The gold Tassels that usually accompany that same flag represents ‘Admiralty Law ( military law). You will find that flag in ALL courts, FDIC banks, and All FEDERAL enclaves etc. under the District of Columbias jurisdiction.
    The ‘People’s’ Flag, same as the one flying in your article, for example, IS the only one and official united states flag which preserves the rights of the people, protected by the U.S.A. Constitution, under which, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty.
    NATIONAL flags are Government, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA flags. They DO NOT preserve Constitutional Rights. You are guilty until proven innocent under them. No! you weren’t taught this in schools. And, how many people do you know, research U.S.Codes and FRCP, and can even decipher the ‘ words of art’ used ? Lots to learn, for the understanding.
    Semper Paratus

  • Warren Domke

    I fly my flag daily with my state flag, or a military service flag, flown immediately below it on the same staff. I greatly respect my nation, which I have served as an active and reserve Air Force member. It follows that I greatly respect Old Glory.

    Many policemen and firemen, along with members of our Armed Forces, wear the flag on their uniforms. I have several items of apparel, a very nice leather bomber jacket and some ball caps, that have the flag as a decorative addition. On the occasions that I might wear these items I do so respectfully and to honor the flag and the nation it symbolizes.

    I understand why there are rules–they are to prevent mutilation or disrespect to the flag. I promise not to mutilate or disrespect the flag.

    That said, I have no intention of disposing of any of these garments. I will continue to wear them appropriately and as correctly as possible.

    Having served under this flag for many years I believe I have a small stake in it. I have seen our flags burned, used as doormats and mistreated in many other ways. These offend me as much as they do anyone else.

    It seems there are good issues and bad issues, and each is in the eye of the beholder. If we honor our nation and its flag there is no reason for any dispute.

  • http://LivingstonDigest-ChipWood Jacquelyn

    Great article pertaining to our US flag….. and we are so
    proud when it does wave. It’s always a thrill to see patriotism
    in action by the red, white & blue rippling on houses up and
    down the street, on flag poles in the city, and around the
    countryside….. Makes me proud to be an American citizen!

  • Carolyn

    I hope I Didn’t say anything wrong.. I left a post and it was taken off.
    My question is: Why are the new flags being made with 59 stars??
    Google this and you will find the article but I don’t see exactly why.

    A woman went to her child’s first school class. She was presented with a booklet that had our flag with 59 stars.. Can someone out here tell me why?
    I don’t like this…

    • Evan

      I purchased a flag a few months ago with the correct number of 50 stars. There was, a while back, some hoopla about Obama mentioning that he had been to all 57 states in his run-up to the election, or something along those lines. Some people have likened that statement to the 57 Muslim countries in the world. Hmmm.

    • Uncle Steve

      I found an article about a drawing of a flag with 59 stars on a booklet (DOE handbook) but couldn’t find anything about that being on an actual flag.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Maybe BO designed it. He thinks there are 57 States.

      • Kinetic1

        Just to make this clear, it’s obvious that then candidate Obama was thinking about how many of the 48 continental states he had been to (47). While considering “all” the states (continental). He was likely running the total number of states (50) through his head and what should have been 47 came out 57. No doubt, it was an amusing error, but no one believes that he really thinks there are 57 states.

        As long as I’m at it, Gore never claimed to have “invented” the internet either. What he said was that, as a Congressman he “took the initiative in creating the internet.” Now you can distort this if you like, but he is clearly talking about advancing the creation of a national/global internet in his capacity as a congressman by authoring a bill or an amendment to fund such a project.

        I know, we pick on Bush and Palin so it’s only fair to let you folks take a stab from time to time.

        • JeffH

          …and just to be clear Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her back porch.

          • Kinetic1

            You’re right, what she said was “They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.” The “back porch” line came from SNL.

            Now, Let’s put it in context:
            CHARLES GIBSON: Let me ask you about specific national security situations. Let’s start, because we are near Russia. Let’s start with Russia and Georgia. The administration has said, we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

            SARAH PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable. And we have to keep…

            GIBSON: You believe unprovoked?

            PALIN: I do believe unprovoked. And we have got to keep our eyes on Russia. Under the leadership there.

            GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?

            PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.

            Now let’s face it, suggesting that being able to see the most remote regions of Russia from some of the most remote land in Alaska gives you ANY insight into Russian political activity is pretty lame. She was really reaching for anything that might give her some credibility with regards to foreign policy, and she fell flat. She would have done better to just avoid the subject or admit that she would have to depend on McCain’s experience.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          K1: ARE YOU THE PAID EXCUSE MAKER FOR THE LEFT WING? Can I hire you the next time I come home late ? See honey, like he said, that lipstick on my collar is really just bloody bird crap.

  • sheldon

    Chip… you wrote “Finally, when the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed so that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder.” What part of the flag is the “union”? I’m not sure what this means. Secondly… for my Canadian “snow bird” friends… the US flag must be flown on top (highest) and the Canadian flag (or any other flag) can’t be bigger than the US flag… am I correct?

    • Evan

      The “Union” is represented by the 50 white stars on the blue background.

  • sheldon

    Trivia question… there is a US Flag… which is never lowered… but it has no artificial light source to light it at night… and it’s considered a perfectly legal flag. Where is it?

    • Evan

      I’ll take a stab, and it’s a guess: The flag on the moon?

      • Sheldon

        According to the tour guide at Mount Moriah Cemetery in Deadwood, SD… the only flag allowed to fly at night… without artificial light… is on… the moon. Well done Evan!

  • Lindy

    One of the things I love about visiting your country is seeing the “stars and stripes” flying EVERYWHERE! From ridiculously large flags outside of restaurants, to flags flying atop tall building, and the ones so proudly flown in front of houses on tree-lined residential streets, that pride (for me) it’s what makes America such a special place. The discussion above is disheartening. I thought the flag represented America and I thought(although you might not always agree with each other) that you all stood united together under that flag.

    • Evan

      You are right! The flag does stand for the freedoms and liberties our founding fathers fought and dies for. We don’t all agree on how to keep those liberties intact, but that may not make a liberal or a conservative any less patriotic. And they each display the flag as true patriots. Some idiots believe that if one political idealogue or party has sullied the founding father’s intentions, the flag is no longer a symbol of them. The flag is always a symbol of the America in its finest hour and of its finest ideals and values. Personally I believe the founding fathers’ intent should be reinvigorated and in many instances, reinstituted.

    • Evan

      “A man’s country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle.”
      ~ George William Curtis

      And I say show your patriotism by flying Old Glory, the sign of that principle!

  • Bob Hauser

    The stars and stripes have come to signify far too many different and CONFLICTING things to far too may different and CONFLICTING kinds of people…the last time I displayed the American flag on my person, vehicle or premises was on July 4th, 1977….and on that day I flew it upside down…

    Three days later I accused federal judge Thos. G Mc Bride in Sacramento of being an oath violator….that was back in the good old Posse Comitatus days and we got a lot of press around the Gay Area because of our militant love of the Constitution and commensurate hatred of the i.r.s., the hoaxically misnomered and Rothschild owned “federal reserve bank” and all the other of myriad threats to the Constitution. The day that the stars and stripes becomes unambiguously and exclusively recognized as the symbol of the letter and spirit of the Constitution and of the White gentile European heritage that created and gave us the single greatest legal document ever written…and not the sewer dredgings of “democracy”, “multiculturalism”, “brotherhood”, interracial sex and mongrelization, then I will once again fly it with honor….not until then.

  • guyb

    Many people have fought and died for our flag. Its a symbol of freedom and more. If you do not like the flag to fly here in America,use your freedoms. move to the middle east or?



  • jopa

    Sheldon & Evan;I was under the impression the moon does’nt rotate on it’s axis like the earth and where the flag on the moon is, it is always facind towards the sun.Therefore no need for a night-light.I may be wrong does anyone know for sure?

    • Evan

      No artificial light at “night”. Still a guess on this.

    • Uncle Steve

      Jopa, one side of the moon (where the flag is) always faces the EARTH, so at full moon it is facing the sun but at new moon it is facing away. So that flag gets roughly 14 days of sunlight and then 14 days of darkness.

  • C E Summers

    Thanks Reno for pointing out the new law. I am 65 years old and a Vet and will be very proud to salute. WOW that is great. I also live in Las Vegas,NV and I am praying that Nevade does the nation a favor and gets rid of this JERK Senator Reid. God help us if we don’t. The US will disown this state.

    • usmadgirl

      C E Summers,

      I’ll definitely be praying that you get your wish! Just because he’s in Nevada doesn’t mean that people in other states don’t want to see that progressive moron out of office & out of our lives & personal business! I don’t know anybody with a brain that would vote for that phony Communist!

  • Neil G Barrett

    NO US Flag will ever be flown by me or my family. No way! If you love Liberty and Christ, you will fly a Confederate Flag. If you love Tryany, you will fly a US Flag. If you love Abortion (you know, where inoncent unborn babies are killed), you will fly a US Flag. If you love the US Empire (yes, I said Empire), you will fly a US Flag!

    • spike

      Pardon me, sir, Wasn’t it under the Confederate flag that Jefferson Davis and the Confederate Army fought to succeede from the union and continue slavery? Well, sir. If you do not like the fact that the stars and stripes was the flag of the REVOLUTION against England, then, by all means, why don’t you go to Africa and fly that flag (somalia or darfur may be good places.) and, by all means, if you hate the stars and stripes, so badly….I hear there’s desert property in Iraq and Iran…Russia…China…

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Neil G. Barrett,
      I know I said I have and would defend the right to have any opinion, but I must make an exception in your case!!! This flag has never stood for abortion, it has never stood for the U.S. empire, it has never stood for tyranny. You, however, have stood for all of these with just your last thought!!

      • usmadgirl

        Joe H,

        Thanks for responding to that comment. I just didn’t even know how to respond to that!

    • Claire

      Neil G Barrett–Tyranny??? Seems to me you are committing an act of tyranny yourself. I will also call it an act of treason. Grow up–Old Glory does not stand for the issues you posted. Educate yourself.

    • American Citizen

      Another wallowing in ignorance.

  • guyb

    Nothing like freedom. Here in America,we voted for a flag burning socialist as president,we were asleep when most of America did that.Now we are awake…… This coming Nov-Out with the far left commies and in 2012 out with the socialist president.That is of course no elected offical makes our president show his birth certificate now….

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Which one are you talking about, Clinton or BO ?

  • Tom in Tennessee

    Question: Is it correct to drop the flag to half staff – say in a cemetary (non military) in honor of the deceased’s funeral that day? Can a city or county mayor “order” the flags to half staff in honor of local situations? Beside, the Commander in Chief and Congress (God bless ‘em, please), who can issue that order?

  • http://N/A Charles Thomas

    I have a flag I need to dispose of and can not burn it.Someone said I could bury it.Is this so.Would appreciate an answer on this.

    Thanking you in advance

    • Evan

      Most local Boy Scout troops will be glad to do the honor for you. Alternatively, a local VFW chapter can also do it.

  • Earnie

    Dave people have died so you can be Stupid. I have found that is one thing about the human body you cant fix. I for the life of me cannot figure where folks like you get these dumb ideas. I fought part of a war because of what our flag stands for don’t you dare desecrate our flag in front of me because that would be like telling me you cant handle the sacrifice it takes to maintain our freedom. So go somewhere where they feel like you do. This is America and we are still free. For now

    • spike

      Beauty fades, but dumb is forever…Or, stupid is as stupid does….

  • Jess D. Landers


  • Frankie Reinkopfs

    I think the American flag is the most beautful thing on earth and what it means. I get chills just thinking about it and all that gave their life for it. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

  • Nancy

    Dave, what are you doing to turn our country around??

    • JeffH

      Nancy, If you or anybody else that is not a regular poster were here on a regular basis you wouldn’t ask a question like that.
      I’ll turn it around, what do you do?

  • Evan

    “A man’s country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle.”
    ~ George William Curtis

    And I say show your patriotism by flying Old Glory, the sign of that principle! But it is incumbent upon all Americans to do their homework. History is the best educator.

  • MC

    I like reading Personal Liberty Digest, even though I’m not an American.
    What I find objectionable is that you and others think USA is the world. Most of us are proud of our own country – who do you think you are demanding the US flag flies higher than other flags!
    In my country we don’t have to go around displaying our patriotism by flying flags, bragging, and demanding other countries and flags kowtow to us.

    • libertytrain

      So sorry but I think you are reading far more into this than exists.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      I’ll answer that real simple. That is why you live in YOUR country and we live in OURS!!!! We happen to cherish our flag and what it is supposed to stand for!! Perhaps you do not cherish yours or what it stands for. We don’t demand that you fly your flag below ours in your country, only ours as is our right! you would be very upset if we demanded that you fly yours below ours in YOUR country as well!

    • Jim H.

      Mc, When flown within the borders of the U.S., no other flag should be higher. I don’t know where you are from, but in your nation your flag is probably flown on the highest staff.

    • Tinwarble


      Apparently you are so proud of your country you don’t even mention where you are from. This is not about your country, nor your flag, what you in your county to show your patriotism, or don’t do is your business.

      This about what our flag means to us. That it represents more than our country, it represents all those that have fought & died to preserve our freedoms.

      And, no, we don’t think that the U.S. is the world, but we do know that without the U.S. the rest of the world would have been plunged into darkness a long time ago.

  • Ron A.

    Great article, Thanx Chip. As a disabled Vietnam Veteran I have been flying the American Flag and a Pow – MIA Flag on my house since coming back from Southeast Asia. As you said I have the American Flag on my Deck which is above my garage door and the POW – MIA Flag just above the garage door, centered but below the American Flag. I am a proud grunt and happy to have served OUR country when needed!

    I went to a “Vette’s for Vet’s” rally last Sunday, at a VA Hospital and ALL 300+ Vette’s had flags flying from them. We had a Police escort to the VA and made the Vet’s inside and out feel really good. They truly enjoyed seeing the showing of gratitude for their service and sacrifices! God Bless their souls! Thanx Again…. A proud veteran!

  • C.J., CA

    DaveH is just another leech who suckles from the benefits of living in the United States of America and has no idea of what it has taken to make the U.S.A. the greatest country in history.

    The poor child just needs attention, so shoots off his pitiful ignorant mouth.

    God bless our troops who we have always owed everything to.

    • JeffH

      C.J., CA…I’ll not try to defend Daves comments as I think he’s responsible for his own actions…BUT…he isn’t a leech or a liberal, he’s a stout Libertarian with very strong beliefs in liberty and freedom and small government. I just think his whole approach on this particular subject was not well thought out, which is why he’s recieving all of the negative comments.

      • C.J., CA

        Hello JeffH,
        When DaveH made comments about our military being sheep, that did it for me. Of course I don’t know DaveH’s history but wonder if he was around to spit on our troops as they returned from Vietnam. I find it difficult to make excuses for him and stick by my statement that he is a leech.

        • JeffH

          C.J., CA…I assume you’re in California. I live in Fresno via 58 years in NorCal…El Sobrante. Always good to see a fellow non-liberal Californian around here.

          • C.J., CA

            Yes JeffH,

            I live across the state from you in San Luis Obispo County via 57 years in SoCal and am a far to the right native Californian. Now we got to get both California and the country back from the LaLa Land disaster of the liberals. Good to hear from you!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Heya JeffH…I’m in the same boat w/you about DaveH. Normally his posts are better thought out…to bad so many hammering him so hard.

            Here is a link to some information that I stumbled upon during my research of what & why things are the way they are today & in the past. It’s about Cali’s current govenor…to the best of my knowledge with cross researching the alligations are true.


            And now this wannabe president is rubbing shoulders with the Bilderbergs/Rothschilds…go figure. It’s sad that such a man can become a prominent figure in our society…this due to the media/Hollywood controlled NWO as they push forward with their Agenda.

      • libertytrain

        JeffH – perhaps DaveH isn’t being understood correctly – words are the source of much misunderstanding – this doesn’t sound like the DaveH we’ve been reading for months

        • JeffH

          libertytrain, I am miffed at how he approached this whole thread. I agree, this just doesn’t sound like the DaveH we’ve come to know and agree with. I think I get the gist, I just don’t understand the method.

          • sylviam

            Well maybe its not DaveH, or maybe he’s having a bad hair day, orrr????

          • libertytrain

            I agree – he might have just not written what he thought he wrote and one thing that does trouble me more is the amount of hostility aimed at him, from the right – that would be akin to attacking you from the right – ridiculous

          • Tinwarble

            This might not be the DaveH, we know, that is the problem with how you log on this site, you could pretend to be some your not. Mr. Livingston should really look into changing the way people can log in to make comments so that once you chose a screen name, that name is yours & no one else can use it.

            As for the attacks, most come from those that don’t know DaveH & I believe that the attacks come from both sides. You can’t attack peoples patriotism & tell them that they don’t know what Freedom is with out expecting some reaction.

  • Herbert Surman

    I love the U.S. Flag, and fly it proudly.

  • BSW

    I very proudly fly our flag on my home every day of the year. My great,great grand father fought and died for old glory during the civil war. My father fought for her during WWII. I served during the cold war and my nephue fought in Irac.
    Question is how many of you are willing to fight to get our country back?

  • Dan

    Actually the only flag worth flying is the Gadsen Flag. Stars and Stripes has been disgraced way to many times to have any meaning anymore.

    • C.J., CA

      Dan: I believe the U.S. Navy was ordered to fly the Gadsen flag along with the Stars and Stripes on the ships in the far east a few years ago but don’t know if they still do, considering the present administration.

      It did not replace Old Glory which we all should be proud of flying. The only disgrace for the United States at this time can start to be corrected in November by voting out the Marxists.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Dan: only our so-called leaders have disgraced the country and the flag.

  • MRF

    You are a sorrya** COMMUNIST & A TRAITOR. You are probably amongst those that loves to burn the US FLAG. Perhaps you are one of those DRAFT DODGGERS like BILL CLINTON who ran instead of serving. To me you are a looser. You think that just because you are granted freedom and liberty it gives you the right to mock MY COUNTRY AND MY FLAG. Don’t do that !! YOU REALLY PI** ME OFF!!! I was not born here, but as soon as I touched American ground I served!! I SERVED PROUDLY, and YES I WOULD HAVE AND STILL AM WILLING TO GIVE MY LIFE TO GET RID OF A**HOLES LIKE YOU.
    As it ever occured to you that… IT TAKES A DAMN DEMOCRAT TO SCREW UP A COUNTRY? All you Democrat commies complain about the REPUBLICAN government, that only inherits crap from you Communists. Want examples?
    Let me give you a few:
    Finally, I think that about 50 or 60 years ago we had more true americans than we have today. What we have today is a bunch of looser (like you) that can only criticize but is not willing to fight for your own country. Unfortunately the Dept of State don’t do nothing about stopping the immigration onslaught. The let all these looser in, because they cannot make a living in their own country or are not willing to fight for their rights. When they arrive in the US they think have everything for free. Give them a car and a cell phone and they will be happy for the rest of their life.
    On the other hand you have immigrants that come to this country and embrace the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE! The majority doesn’t! They rather sell dope, steal, rob, mug, murder.
    I firmly believe that military service should be a requirement before someone can obtain residence or citizenship in this country, and that you should be required to hold only one citizenship = AMERICAN.
    Here are a few words from G. SKYPECK for you to think about:

    • sylviam

      Man, your on a roll KEEP IT GOING, Welcome to AMERICA,bet some ears are still burning on that one. Thank YOU.

    • usmadgirl


      I know DaveH is a big boy & can take up for himself, but I have to tell you that he is neither a Communist nor a Traitor & as far away from being a Dumb-o-crap as you can possibly be.

      None of the regulars on this site know exactly why DaveH made the comment he made. Dave is usually very rational, but he is a staunch Libertarian who HATES BIG GOVERNMENT. Maybe he feels that ‘we the people’ have allowed the big government to take away our Liberty by voting for Democrats & RINOs instead of the Libertarians who would have eliminated big government (or pretty much any government at all – too close to anarchy for my taste) & that the flag represents that to him. Who knows?

      I just don’t like for people to be falsely accused! If you don’t like what he said about the flag, that’s your right, but the rest of your comments about DaveH are just not true!

      I do, however, agree with the rest of your comment!!! I wouldn’t vote for anything with a “D” beside it under any circumstances. It should be changed to a “C” for Communist Party!

      • JeffH

        usmadgirl, yup!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I very strongly agree with you on that whole post!!! I have read DaveH’s posts for over a year now and even though we disagree about “wasting” a vote, I have found him to be a very staunch libertarian!!! This posters name doesn’t look familiar so I would explain his lack of knowledge of Dave on the fact that he is new!!!

        • usmadgirl

          Joe H,

          I didn’t recognize the name either, but I haven’t been on here much for months. That’s why I wasn’t “MEAN” to him! Ha Ha! I’ve been accused of stuff that I wouldn’t even dream of doing; so I had to take up for DaveH! I think he would do the same for me.

          Did you see the deal where “Tinwarble” logged in as DaveH & Libertytrain? That’s scary!

    • BrotherPatriot

      I hear your rant, MRF, and agree with the majority if it. However, I honestly don’t feel that DaveH is a traitor and I will stand for his right to speak his mind (even if I don’t agree with it). You & others judge to harshly…but I do understand why. Many regulars here state that it doesn’t sound like the DaveH that we have gotten to know…but then again perhaps he’s so damn pissed off he just wrote in anger. Who knows…

      From what I know…he is indeed a stout Independant and has spoken much Patriotic wisdom in the past. I don’t say I agree with him on everything (Especially this post on the FLAG!) but there is such an enormous amount of pressure to divide us all from one another to make it that much easier to conquer us. I say…lighten up you angry masses and remember that we all have differences in opinions…but yet, we still are all Americans. We must stand United and get ourselves back to the country/baseline that we are supposed to be. We must respect each others right to the 1st Amendment and for that matter, the entire Constitution which is the highest Law in the Land. By doing this you then have a right to speak out as well…what is right in the eyes of God will bear fruit if we all hold true…and hold true to each other.

      God Bless.

    • Eric Bischoff

      I have to admit, I get a good chuckle when I watch the not so well informed argue with each other. Thanks for the laughs guys. You’re not as clever or eloquent but you guys could do an alternative version of Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert.

  • Mark

    I fly the flag everyday. I was the only in the neighborhood flying a flag until my neighbors son join the Marines. Now they fly The Stars and Stripes along with The Marine Corp flag.

    I would like to make one correction to your article, the only flag that is alouded to fly above The Stars and Strips is The Church Penant!

    I did not know that the un flag is flown higher. I don’t like it one bit! But that is for another Time.


    • http://?? Joe H.

      The UN flag will never be flown above Old Glory on my property! I believe that is only at the UN, but I, like you, don’t like it!!!!

      • BrotherPatriot

        To Hell with the UN…literally. Pack of social, degenerate, demon/lucifer loving bastards…

        That goes for the whole lot of them that are in all essense…the same damn organization. CFR, TC, Bilderbergs/Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, etc…etc…etc.

  • William Barry

    Even though I never served a day in uniform, I think that playing the bugle call “Colors” as you raise the flag in the morning makes for a nice touch of class. It’s all about RESPECT.

    • Leo

      No offense, Will, but at some point this would turn annoying everyday and it would wake up people. I’m a conservative right-winger but
      even this would get to my nerves. I’d rather
      live in a peaceful quiet community without bugle. I think lots of people would be annoyed
      by the recurring sound.

      • William Barry

        Actually, I wasn’t thinking of doing “Colors” with a bugle. A nice, high-quality recording on a CD player volumed down so only you and any others nearby can hear it will do for the purpose. Follow it up with a brisk brass band-style rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner,”(similar to what you hear in several movies)and you’ve got the makings of a proper American morning… WITHOUT disturbing anybody else’s sleep.

        You won’t even know we were there, Leo…


    I have a neighbor who flys the flag 24/7/365 without a light and has donso for years. I have informed them several times with no results. I’ve reported them to the Americanan Legion and was told there is nothing that can be done because there is not pealty for braking the flag rules so flag rules can not be inforced. We need to call our law makers and get some enforcement of these rules and fine people like my neighbors.

    • JeffH

      PATRIOT, that attitude is idiotic. Where I come from we’d call you a snitch! Who assigned you as the flag police. You’re comment is exactley what I would expect from a liberal…change the law and fine ‘em. Right! Here is a guy who worships the flag and you’re butting in on his own personal business. I sure don’r want a busy body neighbor like you living in the same community. I hope he had the cahones to tell you where to stick you complaint, you’d deserve nothing less.

      • Kinetic1

        “Here is a guy who worships the flag”
        If that were the case, he would follow the rules. I could just as easily argue that he is too cheep or lazy to treat the flag with proper respect. I don’t believe we need laws regarding the flag, but there is nothing wrong with informing those who may not know the customs.

        • JeffH

          Kinetic1, nothing PATRIOT said or did indicated anything more than an attempt at “forceing” his will on his neighbor to comply with flag flying “protocol”. There shouldn’t be any arguement, PATRIOT stepped over the line when he went beyond informing his neighbor and started complainig and snitching to the authorities. That’s something a I’d expect from a liberal.

    • usmadgirl


      Your patriotism is fine & dandy, but there are “guidelines” for the respectful treatment of the flag – NOT set-in-stone LAWS! Just be thankful that your neighbor shows his patriotism by displaying his flag instead of desecrating & burning it.

      We fly our flag all year & don’t light our flag & forget to take it down sometimes at night because we work 20/7, 365 days a year to just barely make a living; so sue me!

      Let’s talk about a REAL issue, like why we can’t AFFORD to light our flag at night because our electric bill has more than doubled since we moved into a brand new completely energy efficient home two years ago & have since gotten an energy efficient washer & dryer! It hasn’t been any hotter in the Summer or any colder in the Winter!

      I don’t care for “tattle tales”, “snitches”, “busy bodies” or whatever you call those who have enough spare time on their hands to worry about what their neighbors are doing! Are you too scared to address the issue with your neighbor directly instead of running to the “authorities”? If they’re not doing something illegal or damaging YOUR property, then talk to your neighbor yourself or mind your own business!

      • libertytrain

        I have to agree with you on this one. We all have enough to worry about with the government snooping into our little worlds –we don’t need neighbors telling us what we should be doing as well. I figure if the flag is flying they are trying to be patriotic.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Well with that kind of logic if I was an Arab terrorist or Illegal latino immigrant, I would fly the flag so you would definitely know how patriotic I am. Come to think of it most of the flag wavers in my Long Island neighborhood are mostly latinos and Italians and they fly it more and more as the wind turns to hating and blaming the immigrants more and more.

        • libertytrain

          Eric – your opinion doesn’t mean anything to me — to date nothing you have said is more than one-sided bias.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I agree, and if you truly want to light your flag without the cost of electricity, do like I did and look for a solar flag pole spotlight. I hunted and found one for fifteen dollars. You have to mount it up higher on the pole, but it works very well. It burns every night, and all you have to do is make sure to knock the snow off the panel and maybe use mild soapy water to wash it once in awhile!!

        • usmadgirl

          Joe H.

          Thank you for the info. Our 3′x 5′ flag is hanging on a pole in a bracket attached to one of our front porch posts. We want to put low voltage landscape lights in because I don’t like the solar lights a few of our neighbors have. Since we’re up all night working, we watch theirs go out about 1:00 AM. I wouldn’t mind using a solar ‘up light’ for the flag tho so we’ll look for one.

          That “busy body” just teed me off. We have great neighbors on our street of 10 houses (who are our friends & help each other out) where we’ve been for 2 years. We’re “puppy sitting” our next door neighbors
          tiny “Yorkie” this weekend. We’re in a huge new “country” subdivision with 150 one acre lots with only 45 houses built. A couple of neighbors at our previous place, liked to stir up trouble all the time. We work all the time & don’t bother anybody so we expect the same from others. If people worked as many hours a day as we do, they wouldn’t have time to worry about what everybody else was doing.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Doesn’t she remind you all of Kate8? (Pssst…that’s a compliment!)

            Nice to see ya post, Joe, JeffH, usmadgirl, Anthony, Kate8 and others…!

            Love to see the Patriots coming out to play!

    • Claire

      Patriot_- I am certainly glad you are not my neighbor. One of the main reasons I have lived in this house for almost 34 years is BECAUSE of my neighbors.

  • jopa

    Patriot; I feel your neighbor is more patriotic than the one not flying the flag at all.

  • Poppi

    I am a daily American Flag flyer and I appreciate all the clarifications of the proper methods we need to adhere to in order to show our love and respect for this (United States of America)country.
    Thank you all. When I take the colors out to our flagpole in the morning and retire them in the evening I kind of hug it with much emotion within me. I think it is out of a feeling of security and with a thankfull rememberance or our nations’ heros who placed their lives in harms way protecting it while protecting us. I feel a brotherhood with them.
    I sure am glad my family lives in America.

  • Leo

    I understand your feelings about not wearing
    the Flag, Chip. but you know, I think it’s a thousand times better if kids or even adults
    show their Patriotism by wearing it on their garments. I often do it and think it’s cool
    and patriotic. I’d rather have the kids wear
    it and feel proud of it than burning it
    or turning into Commie Liberals at a later age.
    Also, let’s not get OverPatriotic by having
    everyone display an American Flag, I mean,
    they can just choose to display some other
    American Symbol such as The Eagle, The Great
    Seal of the United States, Mt. Rushmore, or
    simply wearing Red, White And Blue colors
    or simply telling jokes about country or states – anything American. That’s what I call
    Cool Patriotism. Standing for The U.S.A. in
    any way, not just the Flag.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      I may be mis-informed, but i had it explained to me that it is wrong to wear a flag sewn onto your clothes and that it is ok as long as it is printed on the shirt!! I have one that says 9/11 Never Forget! over a print of the flag. I said something to a friend that is on the Honor Guard from our local American Legion and that is what he said to me.

      • Kinetic1

        Times have changed. When I was a boy, many adults were up in arms over kids sewing flag patches onto their jeans. The first flag shirts created a huge uproar, but now every tea party gathering is awash with flag print clothing. From shirts to socks, from boxers to shoes, everything comes in a flag print. Growing up when I did and being a scout at that time has left me a bit cold to the idea of the American flag as a marketing tool and fashion accessory. Maybe it’s uniquely American to make every dollar you can off patriotism, but it feels dirty to me.

  • Thomas P. Young

    I understand that all veterans can salute the flag uncovered. American Legion magazine. It sad that innocent people are killed in war. Allied service men and women including U.S. tropes were killed by friendly fire. I fore one say, WAR IS UGLY. I know not what else to say will I due but I am not going into that. Ho WAR IS UGLY it is also a liven HEAL. Flay the Flag.For GOD AND COUNTRY. GOD bless America. We need it.

  • American Citizen

    We do not have a flag pole, so I put flags in our front window. I have left them there since Memorial Day and will keep them there until the boys come home. It’s time to get out of all other countries and let our troops defend our country here. They could secure our borders north, south, east and west. They may also have to defend us against the socialists/communists within this country. Did you see them on YouTube at the leftist rally today? What a waste of humanity.

  • Henry Gilbert

    Mr. Wood,

    Enjoyed your input on proper flag handling.

    We just had a block party for a neighbor who just became an American citizen and we presented him with a mountable American flag so he can join the rest of the neighbors who celebrate waving our flags.

    You have one discrepancy of proper flag height when flown with other flags. The Texas flag can be flown at same height as the American flag. It is awesome to drive around Texas and see all the businesses who can afford those tall flag poles that have their Texas pride displayed the same height as US flag. This is authorized by law and not someone’s agenda.

    Keep up the good work. A proud Texan.


  • MRF

    Maybe this is the problem with MY COUNTRY:

    New Pledge of Allegiance (TOTALLY AWESOME)!

    Since the Pledge of Allegiance And The Lord’s Prayer

    Are not allowed in most Public schools anymore

    Because the word ‘God’ is mentioned… ..

    NEW School prayer:

    Now I sit me down in school

    Where praying is against the rule

    For this great nation under God

    Finds mention of Him very odd.

    If scripture now the class recites,

    It violates the Bill of Rights.

    And anytime my head I bow

    Becomes a Federal matter now.

    Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

    That’s no offense; it’s a freedom scene..

    The law is specific, the law is precise.

    Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

    For praying in a public hall

    Might offend someone with no faith at all..

    In silence alone we must meditate,

    God’s name is prohibited by the state.

    We’re allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

    And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks…

    They’ve outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

    To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

    We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

    And the ‘unwed daddy,’ our Senior King.

    It’s ‘inappropriate’ to teach right from wrong,

    We’re taught that such ‘judgments’ do not belong..

    We can get our condoms and birth controls,
    Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles..

    But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

    No word of God must reach this crowd.

    It’s scary here I must confess,

    When chaos reigns the school’s a mess.

    So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

    Should I be shot; My soul please take!


  • MRF


    • Mick

      MRF says:
      October 3, 2010 at 10:34 am
      BRAVO MC:
      It’s exactly the way immigrants should feel and act…
      America has let many within their borders and that fine but every immigrants should comply with our customs and laws if they don’t they should be expatriated immediately.
      America has been the best country in the world but are allowing foreigners fleeing their own shit hole countries to bring their filth with them and pollute our way of life and values and destroying it in the process..
      ENOUGH of this political correctness Bull………..

    • Angel

      Hey, MRF – go home you illegal!

    • usmadgirl


      Thank you for your 22 year service & for your loyalty to the place you chose to make your new “HOME”!

      That’s my real problem with most of the people who have “invaded” our country recently. They’ve brought their disgusting “baggage” here. If they didn’t want to come here to be a part of what WAS (until O’Dumbo & his thugs took over as dictators in chief) the American Dream & make this country even greater, then they should’ve stayed in the hell hole they came from.

      Most of those who come here now, want to TAKE OVER this country, not unite with the rest of us! Why would they want to escape their crappy country that they felt they had to leave to come here & wave the flag of the crap hole country they had to escape? Doesn’t make any sense to me!

      Despite what the media tries to spin, most of us have no problem with immigrants – as long as they come here LEGALLY! It isn’t fair for all those who try to come here legally when the ILLEGALS have as many or more privileges than the ones who do it the right way.

      So, with that said, I thank you for your love for YOUR country!

      God Bless You & God Bless Our Country!

  • http://personallibertyalerts Tyna Dickerson

    What r u going to do when these men and women that have been trained to protect us are also being trained to come in our homes and arrest us and have orders to come in and shoot you and your family.
    Like at the massaqure at herricane Katrina.
    And now our boy scotts are being trained to carry guns against there own families. Like hitler said” If you have the youth you have the bation.”
    The youth has and is being trained to bear arms against there family and friends. Look out world.
    But it says in the bible that this has to come to pass. And for those of you that says “They do not believe in something, that does not mean it is not true/ or exist,like there belief that God does not exist does not mean it not true. It means they are closed mind and on there way to hell, will you follow the unbelieves and go to hell with them? Wake up guys before it is to late.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Tyna: that is a very good question. During the Clinton admin. that issue came up and was presented to the military in the form of a poll. As I recall the results, about 10% of enlisted men and 30% of officers would violate their Oath to the Constitution,would follow illegal orders from their superiors, and fire on American citizens. The rest would either refuse, ignore, or openly rebel against such orders. I don’t think we have much to worry about with our troops being used against us. These are the best and most patriotic of our young people. That is maybe why they are being kept out of the country on long tours of duty. I stopped by Camp Lejune a couple of years ago and it looked like a ghost town. Globalists like BO or Hillary are more apt to call UN troops in on us if necessary. As fighters they’re next to worthless and blue helmets make nice targets.

      • dan az

        that is more truer than allot of people would believe.
        Head shots only!

  • http://personallibertyalerts Tyna Dickerson

    I believe in God and which it stands, not in a courupt gov and the evil that exsist in this world. Praise God for this country and the people that want to save it/us.
    Don’t get the wrong idea, I served in the in the Air Force to stand up for our country, But we are to have no other Gods before us and i will serve my loyallty to God and he will protect me. Look at all the High ranking officers have stood up for what is right and ended up in prison for it. How can anyone partiscipate in a government that is going behind us and killing us softly. They do not care for the people! They care about getting rid of us worthless eaters and about lining there pockets with our wealth…
    They hang our flag pointing down in our mickey mouse maritime courts for the national debt they have created, not sideways , meaning we are free of debt.
    You stand for god and which it stands, not a mans control and thier killimg machine.
    Stand for God and become independant thinkers, don’t let them take anymore freedoms from you, honor your neighbor and put ur pride in God not these material things. It is smoke and mirrors to keep you busy on other things, instead of what really matters. Treat your neighbors as you want to be treated. Respect the order of life. The flag does not mean what you are lead to believe and stop fighting over the lttle things. My pride is in god and my love and respect goes to my neighbor and friends that are working to resatore this country that was founded on, “In God we trust” not a uniform and a peice of material that carries a false pride. But the men and women that stand up for what is right. Not all of us wear a uniform.
    Hey but Hitlers army wore uniforms and they also believed in the same things, where faithful to there arny. Does that make it right? No like I said believeing in the wrong thing, does not make it right or untrue for ur lack of belief in it… bu tthe truth is, is we are all being taught socialism right before our eyes and most do not see. Stand up for reclaiming our kids/nation and family not in the things our gov are teaching us is right to fight for our flag, but in what god says to teach. for get all the rest and focus on your Fathers believe. Get rid of the false prides amd gods you put before the one true thing, “GOD”

    • Tinwarble


      I don’t really know what you are saying here, I’m not try to insult you, but it really seems to be rambling.

      I was in the Air Force too, but you seem to be confused. This is not about placing anything above GOD, but rather about respecting the flag of a country that was formed on the basis that without GOD this country would not succeed. Our flag does not represent the politics of our country or the government, but it represents its people and the sacrifices that have been made to ensure our freedoms. Freedom to worship GOD as you wish, & everyone should have pride that they have a country in which they are allowed that freedom & should respect the flag of that country.

      And if you were in the military, you would know that it was not a “killing machine” as you seem to be referring, but it is a force for good & for freedom. And I don’t know were you get your information, but I know of no “High Ranking Officers” who have been imprisoned for doing what is right. That you make any comparison to Hitler & the Nazi’s only shows your ignorance of what it is to be a U.S. soldier.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689


        I don’t know much about the Air Farce but I did spend 7 yrs. in the Marine Corps and two combat tours in Nam. The Marine Corps is a killing machine and thank God it is. Killing our nations enemies is an act of good, anything less is appeasement.

        • Tinwarble


          Yep, you Navy men do a pretty good job when you put boots on the ground. But, I would have to disagree with you a little, none of our military are “Killing Machines” but rather “The Bringers of Justice”, putting foot to arse to those that would threaten liberty.

          GOD bless all those that serve & have served.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            NAVY MEN, NAVY MEN !!!!! yes the Marine Corps is part of the Dept. of the Navy; the mens dept. (don’t tell my SEAL son I said that)

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  • Anthony

    Like some others, I have no idea what DaveH’s politics are. I also don’t care, because the flag, as it has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread, is not a political instrument. His take on flying the flag is misinformed, period.

    • American Citizen

      I believe he’s a Libertarian.

  • Ron Poteet

    Just a brief note about retiring (destroying) a flag in poor condition.
    Contact a local boy scout or cub scout troop and talk to them. Both my boys are in scouts and we have had ceremonies several times for organizations and private businesses for properly destroying an aged, worn flag. The newer scouts also get proper etiquette training by performing in the ceremony. Help train a scout while retiring your flag.

  • Thomas P. Young

    I BELONG TO THE American Legion. We have what is called a flag ceremony were we (destroy)the flags by fire. I have been part of several of them. I am sure you would enjoy watching a ceremony.Fly the FLAG. For GOD and country. GOD BLESS AMERICA, we need GOD’S blessing.

  • Tinwarble

    Here’s a little information that most people don’t know.

    Any flag of the U.S. that was adopted as a U.S. Flag, weather it was a flag flown during the Revolutionary War or anytime in between is OK to fly. Because all flags are considered “living flags” & therefore are appropriate.

  • http://gmail i41

    Remember another area schools are failing, to do is talk about Sept.17, Constitution Day. I have called several school’s superindents and principals before and after the 17 to see what was dicussed in the history classes or even in school cirruculm. Ususally nothing is taught about the Constitution or it just announced, in one school it was Constitution Day. They do not teach kids to shut up and stand at attention, or show any respect or the flag or the anthem. In the 80′s and early 90′s I had no problem in uniform, marching the disrespectful brats out side or if they wouldn’t remove their lids, removing the caps for them. Only had one parent every act like a liberal jackass, for voilating his spoiled s–ts rights. It never went anywhere, but some ink on the daily rag. The schools adminastrators are so worried about hurting the little maggots feelings. People need to make the disrespectful citizens show some respect. The best was a little 5 year old girl that sang the National Athem at a rodeo and a couple of drunks torists started making fun of her, and a few lads help change their attitude and gave them hope in week they would be able to see and eat again. When Onumnutts disrespects our country and flag, He and his Big Mamee need to be straighten out to see the flag in a new light.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Remember when BO refused to wear a flag lape pin when he was campaigning? Claimed he was a citizen of the world. Dopes still voted for him.

      • Denniso

        I remember…He was one of the few who was willing to buck the meaningless show of phony patriotism w/ a little pin worn on a jacket.
        Meaningless,pointless and juvenile. Much like the politicians who are afraid to admit they are not believing Christians so they fake it for the public so they don’t lose even one vote over the phony issue of having to be a Christian in this country.

        If it were popular suddenly to paint your face with a flag design and you were told it was unpatriotic not to join in, would you do it? Just to go along w/ the masses? What possible good does wearing a little flag pin accomplish? None…

        • Tinwarble

          Meaningless, pointless & juvenile. Yep, that sounds like liberals to me, always wanting things for nothing, believing that their freedoms aren’t from the sacrifices of others. Wearing a flag pin isn’t about going along with the masses, but showing your respect for a country that has allowed you the freedom to run for an office that you have no qualifications for. It shows respect for a country that allows you to be a socialist, communist or marxist, even though the majority of the country does not agree with your views. It shows respect for those that have died fighting against tyrants with those same views, so that you can have the freedom to express the views that they fought against.
          So have a little RESPECT.

          And are you talking Obama, who claims to be a Christian, but is clearly not. You say this is a phony issue, but this once again shows your ignorance. The reason the people want a Christian to be in positions of power is because the majority of the people of America are Christians and they want their leaders to share there values. Not the values of someone who would like something like Sharia Law imposed.

          • Denniso

            Tin…you haven’t appeared to be mundless before, but you broken the pattern. Who ever said that to be patriotic a person has to wear a flag pin? Who’s rule is it, yours? Where did it come from,the flag pin manufacturers of America? Do you wear a flag pin every day? If I make up a ‘rule’ that real patriotism means painting your car as a flag, are you going to do it? And, if you don’t, I can then question your ‘patriotism’? The issue is bogus and manipulative and idiotic,
            and still, juvenile. Grow up and think rather than plaster your body w/ mandatory symbols.

            I can only guess that you never saw film or photos of Nazi Germany, full of flags and nazi symbols everywhere…I can also only imagine that if people like you were alive then and there, you would be spouting the same crap in support of ‘patriotic symbols’, like your dumb flag pin.

            How about I come to your house and paint it as a flag? Would that make you feel even more patriotic?

          • Denniso

            Your comment was ‘mindless’, my spelling was ‘mundless’.

          • Tinwarble

            Once again you show your intelligence, no wearing a flag pin is not mandatory, but neither is it really about patriotism. It is about showing respect for a country in which you wish to serve. That is what being President is about, “SERVING” the people of this country. By saying that you’re not going to wear a pin because you think it is making some sort of protest, only shows the disrespect you have for the people you wish to serve, and a disrespect for those that have given their lives so that your liberty is preserved.
            It is not about not wearing a simple little pin, but rather the reason for NOT wearing the pin. Patriotism can be shown in many ways & does not necessarily require that you wear or putt up a flag. But as I said, our flag, unlike the flag of most countries, does not represent the government, it represents it’s people & those that have sacrificed to insure the freedoms of this country. And displaying the flag show your respect for all those that have done much more than you ever have to make this country great.
            Also, you comparison to to Nazi’s is a little off, & only shows your lack of knowledge of history. Those standing in the squares waving their swastika’s, yelling “Heil Hitler”, were doing so because of ideology, an ideology which their flag stood for. Much the same as those that gathered in a square and yelled “Yes We Can” as they waved their signs with the Obama globe on it. Unlike that, the American flag is not about an ideology, but about liberty and true justice for all, something that we should all be happy to flaunt.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Thank you for showing us how a progressive defines patriotism.

  • MRF

    IN OTHER WORDS: “WHAT THE (offensive word removed)HAVE YOU DONE!!!
    ONE (offensive word removed) CALLED ME AN ILLEGAL. HERE’S MY ANSWER…

  • Judy

    Personally, I have been flying my U. S. flag upside down and at half-mast since that fraud was erroneously placed in our White House. This country is in deep distress because we are without an eligible president–that is why my flag is upside down. This is a time for deep mourning because our Constitution has been virtually “murdered” by both Republicans and Democrats (but predominantly the progressive Benedict Arnolds and socialist, communists such as Pelosi and Reed)–that is why my flag flies at half-mast.

    Until we again have a legitimate president–no matter of what party–and until we return to our Constitutional limits and authority, I will consider this country in distress and in a state of mourning and my U. S. flag will reflect these sad conditions.

    • Denniso

      I hate to call people names,especially women, but you are pushing the envelope. Your comment is so ridiculous as to be laughable. I can only assume you are totally uneducated and at the lap of Beck/Limbaugh and Savage. You are doing a huge diservice to the human mind by aping such baloney and really need to stop following the hack rightwing leaders that have fed you this crap that you’ve actually come to believe. Please think for your self…you’re really not an automaton,are you?

      • Tinwarble

        OH YES Demsho, the right-wing hacks! And the progressive lefty’s aren’t at all hacks, condemning those on Wall Street, then taking money from them. How about when they tell everyone that they should not use so much energy, right before they jump in their private jet that uses more energy in one flight than most households uses in a year. Or how about when they say that everyone’s problems are because of the “Fat Cat’s” to win favor from all their lefty supporters, only to turn around and bail the same “Fat Cat’s” out. What about when they pass a “Health Care” bill and tell everyone that it’s not a tax, but when it goes to court their argument is that it IS a tax.

        No, there are no left-wing hacks are there, they are all just so honest & upright aren’t they. When you start talking about other peoples baloney, you should really stop eating the baloney that has been fried up for you.

        • Denniso

          Here I thought you wanted people to respect the flag, but I guess if the person is a fellow rightwing extremist than it’s OK to disrespect
          it. I guess as well that nothing your rightwing zealot buddies say can be considered ridiculous or asinine, because they are basically on your side.

          • Tinwarble

            Talk about intellectual dishonesty. I’m pretty sure that there was no defense of anyone in that statement. It was, in fact, purely an attack.
            And there is a difference between disrespect and ignorance what you are supposed to do and not do.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Judy you must mean since Bush stole the election with the help of the supreme court and then let some yahoos take down our twin towers and then lied and started 2 wars.

      • libertytrain

        wow, you are a little scary.

  • MRF

    I guess the mediator did not have the guts to post my last comment. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN FAST!!! I GUESS HE’S A DEMOCRAT TOO! Or did I offend someone?? Geeezzzz!!!!

    • libertytrain

      MRF – I don’t think it’s about the guts to post but rather the use of obscenities.

    • Vicki

      MRF. Just a gentle reminder that this website is not Congress. They can censor any way they please as is their right under the 1st amendment (See freedom of association).

      You do of course still have freedom of speech. Start your own web site. Of course the folk here will let you post if you avoid obscene statements. Just read and notice that liberal and conservative views are expressed by lots of folk.

      Once upon a time Freedom of the press was for those who owned the presses. With the comming of the World Wide Web EVERYBODY can own a press.

    • usmadgirl


      I think a lot of people on this site agree with a lot of what you’re saying, it’s just the “colorful” language that they frown on. These are the rules at the top of this page that we try to abide by.

      Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.

  • MRF


    • usmadgirl


      I’m hoping & praying that it was a good omen (that his seal fell off the podium) & sign of things to come very soon!

  • MRF


    • Vigilant


      Not true; Jimmy Carter was brain dead when he walked into the office and was brain dead when he walked out.

  • MRF


    • MRF

      My apologies for my unethical words. There goes my freedom of expression!!!

      • Denniso

        You should apologize. I’m a liberal and for you to want the oil to be gushing into the gulf to ‘wake up the liberal morons’ is childish and ridiculous. You want to poison the whole earth so that you can teach the liberals a lesson?? Come on now…

  • Stan

    PS: the Naval church penant can fly above a US Flag while a naval vessal is commissioned at sea…and while ‘divine services’ are being conducted for the sailors

  • http://personallibertyalerts john despard

    I wouldn’t dream of burning the flag. I don’t feel quite so strongly about honoring it as you do because I think a lot of laws and other things about this nation are dishonorable. If I were to hang a flag from my car antenna or put one on my car window it would be upside down not out of disrespect but because I consider our country to be in distress. What would your response be to seeing an upside down American flag?

    • JoCoBlonde

      I seriously considered doing that when Obama was elected 2 years ago but my retired Navy husband talked me out of it.

  • 1 Son of Liberty

    Want to keep the Democrats in power and not fly the flag. Just look what the Liberals have done here in Michigan. Over 15% Unemployment(more like 20%) and that doesn’t include the people who lost jobs before all the extensions and gave up and left the state. And the funny part in the Unions deep pockets got all these fools elected and the workers had no choice where their dues went? With Billions in dues to spend they got Obama elected and then got sold down the river by the same people that used their hard earned money. I fly my flag daily and am a proud American. Just like my Father and his Father before him and so on.(One relative signed the Declaration of Independence) That’s the problem today RESPECT kids don’t have it and neither do the lazy Welfare loafs that I suspect put all the negative comments here. Everone on Welfare is a Democrat right. Everyone knows that! Maybe when someone always pays your way your not very patriotic. Well thank your wife for me Chip and keep up the fight and keep your powder dry. Best Regards, 1 of The Son’s of Liberty

  • JoCoBlonde

    We fly our flag to not only honor the flag and our country, but to also make a political statement. We fly the 1776 flag indicating that we are Constitutional Conservatives and will vote so this November. Also, on holidays such as Memorial day, 4th of July, Labor day, Flag day, etc… we set flags in rows along our sidewalk and driveway and in a V going towards the main 1776 flag on our pole in the front yard. We have had several neighbors complement us on our display. We are VERY patriotic – from the generation that would start every school day by saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

    • libertytrain

      JoCoBlonde – very nice – I’ll remember about the 1776 flag – I have one as well and I do recall saying the Pledge – with honor and dignity in the classroom.

  • Mark Brown

    Any flag representing a country, state, commonwealth or territory, etc., deserves respect as that flag represents those living within that particular land area. The possible exception is when the flag symbolizing a governed people is when the populace are not shown due respect within their homeland by the government that represents them resulting in threats to themselves and their neighbors. I shall leave that idea to your own thoughts about rogue governments strewn about the world that are not responsive to the internal welfare of their people. Disrespect starts with those mistreated by their respective government, not by outsiders to judge that entity.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Let’s be honest, most of you fly your flags because you are afraid of looking unpatriotic and that is the worst reason I can think of.

    The whole Support our Troops stickers on the cars is another one that nauseates me. If you really supported the troops, you wouldn’t put them in harms way over lies and deception. You would take great care of them when they came home sick physically and mentally.

    The whole my country love it or leave it that was prevalent during the Vietnam war is back again here in force. I guess we are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes.

    Blind patriotism has given us the Patriot act. Why that is acceptable and has not brought on another revolution is a testament to the stupidity, apathy and cowardliness of the general population. You all have big mouths right now but you seem to be incapable of making courageous choices. They scare you and you march in file like good little soldiers.

    You wear your pins, sticker your cars and fly your flags and you think that makes you great Americans. Pathetic.

    I have more respect for whistleblowers than flag wavers.

    Some day we’ll grow up and realize that just respecting humans and all life on earth period is really what it’s all about and waving flags just means we are still playing our toy soldier games.

    • libertytrain

      I am certain that you don’t know what you are talking about.

    • Claire

      Eric Bischoff–I fly my flags because I RESPECT the symbolism that the American Flag represents. I honor the American Flag and I could give a rat’s rump what you or anyone else thinks. I have never conducted my life based upon what others think. I am my own person and I do what I want, so don’t categorize me. Grow up?? I think you are the one that should shape up and fly right. Remember, Dems voted for the war too. It was not one-sided. And now the Dems are continuing the war. Perhaps you could call this toy soldier games, especially since it is still going on. Why don’t they pull out and come home?
      I do care for human beings, the earth, and wildlife. However, I do not care for human beings that wish us harm.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Oh Claire why don’t you grow up.

        The US harms more people all over the world than any other nation. We are in perpetual war. We have 1000 Military bases on foreign soil. We spend more on the military than all other nations combined. And all of this while poverty and hunger is on the rise in America. We’ve been bombing foreign nations every year for as long as I can remember. These days kids playing video games bomb others on the other side of the world from Las Vegas using drones. We constantly meddle in other country’s politics. We overthrow democratically elected governments. We invade and occupy countries. We support, finance and arm dictators. We are the only nation that has ever used nuclear weapons and we dropped them on civilians even though we knew they were exhausted and about to surrender. We’ve used Chemical Warfare in Korea and Vietnam. We experimented with infecting our own soldiers with syphilis and now we’ve been caught doing it in Guatemala. Today we use depleted uranium all over the middle east. These are all crimes against humanity.

        All of this is done under the flag you are so proud of.

        I am sorry but this does not sit well with my values and long as this criminal behavior continues I cannot be proud of or respect this flag or the clueless hypocrite patriots that do.

        • Claire

          Eric— Grow up? I am probably older than you. That said, I do not approve of war, I did not approve of Viet Nam nor the current war. These wars did cause tremendous grief for all concerned and for what? To satisfy the politicians’ egos? I will admit you make a strong point. I am well aware of the “syphilis” experiment. And I do not approve of meddling in another country’s affairs when we cannot take care of our own problems here at home.
          However, we are still at war in Iraq, Afghanistan and who knows where else we will be in the next 5 years. But, while our soldiers are in these foreign lands, I will support them. Our soldiers and their fmailies are the ones I care about, not the reckless administrations we have had in the past and currently. To me, our soldiers and their families come first, to heck with politics and politicians. My flags are flown because of our troops, and I hope and pray if and when they all come home, that they come home to a good and healthy life.

          • Claire


          • Eric Bischoff

            Claire I see that you do not like to be told to grow up anymore than I do. But as I recall you threw the first one. It’s never too late for any of us to grow up and learn something new. But I do owe you some respect as an elder as I am only 59.

          • Claire

            Eric—Elder??? Geez, that sounds terrible! It is funny–I just cannot believe I am this age! I don’t feel like it, at least not yet. It is amazing (appalling) how fast the time goes.

        • libertytrain

          Yes Claire – Eric says grow up – I mean heck you are over 70, you work for a distinguished book publisher as an editor and in your spare time you raise championship dogs. Good grief – what a silly little boy eric must be.

          • Claire

            libertytrain—Don’t make the time go so fast! I will not be 70 until January 23rd! LOL I have to “make hay” while the sun shines! I cannot let any grass grow under my feet! I have to make each moment count! The dog shows are this coming weekend here in town. I have “Vinnie” entered. I can still run and keep up with my Shorthairs! I savor every moment of every day! Life goes by so fast and life is so precious. I get up about 4:30 every morning-get those dogs out-get them fed and then to work. Bob is retired of course and he keeps them out all day. The weather here has been glorious. I am only 3 miles from work and I go home for lunch. I am so grateful for my life, I have a wonderful husband, son, daughter (that looks a lot like Sarah Palin, brunette like her dad used to be)a sister, and my granddaughters. Oops! Can’t leave out my dogs.
            Oh! Tim (my son) has a new Shorthair puppy. He is adorable. He got it from a judge in Indiana. Beautiful puppy.
            All of us do have much to be thankful for in various ways. I just want all the problems of the world to go away. I guess I dream too much since it will never happen.

          • libertytrain

            Sorry – I forgot you were almost 70! You are still my personal hero. I’m glad you’re back, I don’t like it when you’re not here.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–Thank you, I appreciate your kind words. The feeling is mutual. Godspeed!

  • William

    To Denniso,

    Social Security would be in great shape if President Johnson had not stolen the money and put it in the General fund. Obama is not just a citizen, he is the president of the greatest country in the world and he should act accordingly. Don’t excuse his lack of support for the very country he represents.

  • UncleSam101

    There a few things in the U.S. Flag Code that I think should be changed. Here is a partial list:
    1. The flag should be allowed to fly at night without being lighted.
    2. The flag should be allowed on clothing if done respectfully.
    3. The flag should never be flown at half mast.

    I don’t know the history or authority of the U.S. Flag Code. I would venture that is not actual “law of the land.” I am a most patriotic individual and can lay claim to recently becoming a significant part of the history of Fort McHenry. First amendment rights probably trump the U.S. Flag Code in any event.

    As to the UN…I assume it is not on US soil. I personally do not consider the UN to be on US soil. Embassys are not considered to be on the soil of their host country. It’s a fine distinction, I know.

  • MRF

    It is very unfortunate that what you stated is correct:”I personally do not consider the UN to be on US soil. Embassys are not considered to be on the soil of their host country”. That is why they can invoque CONSULATE PRIVILEGES, BRAKE THE LAW, NOT PAY PARKING TICKETS AND CLAIM IMMUNITY. We need to change that!!! The enemies of America attacked our Embassies, killed, tortured and kidnapped our people, while the OUR LIBERAL rulers did not do nothing about it. Our flag is disrespected. WE the people are getting nothing in return, Did you know that all the aid that is given to these other bastard countries never reach the needy people? That is one side of the coin. The other is that what is supposed to be free and to be handed out to those who needed, it taken under control of the same government that asked for help, and they sell our aid to THRIR PEOPLE. Did our government ever asked for an explanation? NO!!! About the flag ans stickers…I feel like Eric. IF IT IS IN…COUNT ME IN, IF IT IS NOT COUNT ME OUT!!! WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH THE TOUGH GET GOING…AND FAST. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRIT PATRIOTS. Tell them to volunteer to go to war. They run and hide somewhere and very fast. I had parents asking me how could they have their children revoke their contract and or deployment from their military service. My answer was: THEY ARE REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS, HE IS PUTTING HIS LIFE ON THE LINE SO THAT ALL THE REST OF YOU CAN LIVE HERE. I certainly would love to see the DRAFT get back! DRAFT THEM AND SHIP’EM OUT!!! Let’s get the world back!!! Other nations cannot live without AMERICA!!!

  • MRF

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

    • libertytrain

      There was a good clip on the news last night showing a debate that was about to take place and the debaters wanted to say the “Pledge of Allegiance” and the woman in charge said no. So the entire audience began saying it on their own. It was wonderful.

  • MRF



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