Homeless? No Food For You!

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In Raleigh, N.C., a nonprofit group was threatened with arrest last week if it went forward with its weekly plan to feed about 70 homeless people sausage biscuits and coffee at a downtown park.

The Rev. Hugh Hollowell of Love Wins Ministries wrote on his organization’s website that the ministry showed up at Moore Square to pass out food at 9 a.m., as it had done almost every Saturday and Sunday for the past six years. This time, officers from the Raleigh Police Department prevented it from handing out the food.

“An officer said, quite bluntly, that if we attempted to distribute food, we would be arrested, Hollowell wrote. “We asked the officers for permission to disperse the biscuits to the over 70 people who had lined up, waiting to eat. They said no. I had to face those who were waiting and tell them that I could not feed them, or I would be arrested.”

According to news reports, a city ordinance passed in 1998 “prohibits the distribution of food without a permit” in city parks. The ordinance states: “No individuals or group shall serve or distribute meals or food of any kind in or on any City park or greenway unless such distribution is pursuant to a permit issued by the Parks, Recreation and Greenway Director.”

Love Wins is one of several nonprofits that distribute food to homeless in Raleigh, which has no government-sponsored food distribution system. Another nonprofit, Human Beans Together (HBT), was also instructed that it could not distribute food on public property. So HBT moved across the road to private property with the owner’s permission, but police made HBT leave that location as well, according to HBT volunteer Todd Pratt.

More than 50 cities, including Philadelphia, Atlanta, Phoenix, San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami and Oklahoma City, have adopted laws that prohibit organizations from feeding homeless people. This is further evidence statist politicians and authoritarian government functionaries, motivated by a misguided altruism and collectivist mentality, really care little for those suffering under policies implemented by other statist politicians authoritarian functionaries. What they really care about is control.

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  • hydro

    Why don’t the people of Rawleigh get to gether and toss out the individuals that feel they can control everyone’s lives and put in Christian people – remove laws that don’t make sense like this one. Run all the Power Hunger clowns out on a rail

    • Stephine

      Read between the lines and you see this is just a blatant attempt to generate more funds for the fat coffers of these bureaucrats. “You need a permit to distribute food” is nothing more than we want to TAX you for handing out free stuff because we get no revenue from free stuff.

      Looking back as to why people came to this country originally “government oppression” and guess what 200 some odd years and we are back to that state of affairs again, only this time there is no “new land” to go to to escape the bozos who say they are for the people but really are for themselves.

      • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

        Looking back at this: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
        it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
        institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and
        organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to
        effect their Safety and Happiness.~ Declaration of Independence Seems like we’re going back to the start soon.

      • Chester

        Stephine, read the lines as written, no need to try reading between them. The city doesn’t want any homeless people living inside its boundaries, thus will tax any attempt to support those who do live there. I saw no mention of it, but there is a really good chance that this city also has or soon will have an anti-vagrancy law, so that being in town with less than fifty dollars cash in your pocket, or a provable job and residence, will be sufficient grounds to have you tossed in jail, then evicted from the city after your time has been served.

        • Ted Crawford

          Vagrancy laws were deemed UnConstitutional years ago, but not before States like Georgia had built extensive road systems with “Vagrant Labor”, AKA: “Chain Gangs”!

          • Chester

            Ted, most of those “Chain Gangs” weren’t guys doing time for vagrancy. That was generally ten days in the county lockup, instead of the one to five in state needed to put someone working the roads. As far as vagrancy laws being unconstitutional, how hard is it to phrase a law so that simply loitering in a given area for an “unreasonable” amount of time would be a crime? Loitering, in this case, would not necessarily have to mean hanging around a certain business or other building, but could include simply being in an area determined to be conducive to homeless people congregating longer than necessary to pass through or conduct your normal business.

        • Karolyn

          We already have the capital of SC, Columbia, instituting a law that homeless people cannot be within the city limits, and this city and state are pretty solid Republican conservatives.

          • Chester

            My point exactly, Karolyn. The homeless are fast becoming the new outcasts, deserving of nothing but a swift kick in the seat of the pants to help them on their way to the next city, county, or state. Couldn’t use the word that truly should have been in place of outcasts, or this post would have been edited to death.

    • FreedomFighter

      1st step to filling the FEMA camps with workers.
      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

  • vicki

    Time for a little civil disobedience. Start with a really big picnic for a bunch of “friends”.

  • Phillipe Violette

    What kind of country has thousands of homeless children and adults in it’s population?

    • Robert Messmer

      Pretty much all of them that don’t just outright kill them first.

  • leefromok

    The globalists/elites/new world order people don’t want people to be dependent on the goodness of other people. We have to dependent on government.
    They will take away our tax breaks for contributions to charities and churches.
    They will tax churches.
    Feeding the hungry is part of practicing Christians.
    This is another way to stop people from practicing their religion.

    • Karolyn

      Feeding the homeless is a part of practicing being human.

      • leefromok

        It should be.
        It used to be my perception that there were far more good people in the world than bad people. My perception is changing.
        It’s getting to the point where no good deed will go unpunished.

  • Liz

    Looks like there might be more than one thing going on here. One to make people get permits, generate more money for the city. The other could be they don’t want Christians feeding the homeless, could be systematic discrimination against Christians.

    • rbrooks
      • topmah

        Since you reference the huffpost, I won’t even bother to read the article. As a North Carolinian, it’s been exquisitely humorous to see the whining, screaming, writhing of libs as a century of democrat rule came to an end. Their pet programs are in danger, their free gov’t money for grants, etc., is drying up, their ‘vote early & vote often’ tactic is being compromised–whatever are they to do! When folks like Bill ‘Foul-mouth’ Maher, Jon ‘I’m-smarter-than-you’ Stewart & Stephen ‘Baptist-hypocrite’ Colbert, bash our state’s policies, you know we’re doing something right! And you can be certain that the new leadership would have never instituted a stupid policy like this one…

        • rbrooks

          lol. dixie democrats being replaced by the gop. hilarious. your ignorance is simply astounding.

          the bill being suggested will allow the state to establish a state religion.

          this should be interesting. which religion will you christians go to war over this time.

          • Glen Johnson

            On the establishing a state religion, that is specificly prohibited by the anti-establishment clause of the 1st admendment.

          • rbrooks

            not according to the two senators that authored the bill.

          • Robert Messmer

            Just because something is prohibited or required by the Constitution is no guarantee that someone won’t try to circumvent it.

          • Robert Messmer

            Sorry not from there any chance we could have a link to a copy of said bill?

          • rbrooks

            http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2013&BillID=h+494&submitButton=Go

            you will have to click on filed and edition to read them.

            hope that is not to difficult for any of you.

          • Robert Messmer

            Thanks for the link. Wow what a couple of whack-os. And while their bill doesn’t establish a religion it certainly lays the ground work for one. But the Constitution does state that the Supreme Court and other federal courts are the determiners of Facts and Law arising under the Constitution. Which means, at least to me, that the Supreme Court is indeed the final say on what is or isn’t Constitutional. Even when it is wrong which takes another law to undo their stupidity.

          • rbrooks

            most of the members on this site will support and approve this action.

        • Karolyn

          How do you feel about the recent McCrory cronyism scandal?

          • topmah

            As long as McCrory doesn’t let someone drown, get kinky with a female aide, or have a Benghazi situation, I could care less about his ‘cronyism’…

    • Ted Crawford

      They must prevent this action! It belies their disgustingly disingenuous rhetoric that ” Christians and Conservatives want all poor people to starve in the streets”! If the poor were to actually see the true values of Christians and Conservatives it would undermine their control agenda!

    • Karolyn

      Here we go again! “Christians being persecuted.” if it were a secular organization, they would do the same thing. Why do people like you have to always make it a persecution issue?

      • leefromok

        Judaism and Christianity are being persecuted, and Islam is being promoted. I’m not here to complain, but to warn people that we are losing our freedoms.
        Here’s how it works. Our unalienable rights were endowed by our Creator.
        If the globalists/elites/new world order people can take away the Creator from the constitution, then the only place left to give us our rights is the government.
        You don’t have to believe in God to enjoy the benefits of our God given rights.

        The persecution here in the US is nothing compared to what is happening all over the world in communist countries, but mostly by Muslims.

        • rbrooks

          islam is just another version of the christian mythology. like all christian mythology’s, they believe their version is the one true version.

          they want their plate to be the only that is being filled.

          nothing new.

          remove mythology from govt.

    • Chester

      Liz, more like a systematic discrimination against the homeless.

  • rbrooks

    lost in your rant about another poorly run conservative state, is the fact that we have so many homeless in this country.

    you demand an end to any govt assistance for the poor, relying on the ‘charity’ of churches, business’ and individuals.

    their solution is feeding them sausage biscuits two times a week.

    the reverend is providing a gesture without any substance.

    what these folks need is a decent paying job. that would allow them to provide for themselves.

    many of these people wound up homeless as an end result of the reagan and gop low wage neo socialist policy.

    it is a bit ironic that you wrote this. considering you are against the ‘liberal’ policy of enabling the poor by giving them sustenance via social services.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear rbrooks,

      You write: “lost in your rant about another poorly run conservative state, is the fact that we have so many homeless in this country.” Lost in your rant, probably shielded by your progressive blinders, is the fact that I have written about this before.

      You write: “you demand an end to any govt assistance for the poor, relying on the ‘charity’ of churches, business’ and individuals.” And your point?

      You write: “their solution is feeding them sausage biscuits two times a week. the reverend is providing a gesture without any substance.” Perhaps no substance, but certainly sustenance, as opposed with the city’s tact which denies them both.

      You write: “many of these people wound up homeless as an end result of the reagan and gop low wage neo socialist policy.” So you are saying they have been homeless for going on 25 years?

      You write: “it is a bit ironic that you wrote this. considering you are against the ‘liberal’ policy of enabling the poor by giving them sustenance via social services.” Non sequitur.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • rbrooks

        yes bob, the irony is that you have written about this before.

        the point is one you can not contest. the ‘private’ assistance is far less than the ‘public’ assistance. neither have proven to be a viable solution.

        the homeless population has been growing rather dramatically for the past 25 years. it will continue to increase under the current policy’s.

        your ironic philosophy is the very definition of non sequitur.

        perhaps you could write a story detailing your, viable, solution to this problem.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear rbrooks,

          You write: “the point is one you can not contest. the ‘private’ assistance is far less than the ‘public’ assistance.” This is nonsensical.

          You write: “the homeless population has been growing rather dramatically for the past 25 years.” Please provide statistics that show this is so.

          You write: “perhaps you could write a story detailing your, viable, solution to this problem.” I have many times. You are free to scan the archives.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • rbrooks

            2 meals a week vs meals 7 days a week. it is non sense to try and sell your believe that private aid is currently working better than govt aid.

            there is no argument that govt has done a poor job.

            replacing that with a program that provides even less is not a viable solution.

            the internet is your friend. tho i doubt you will believe the reports of the rising homeless population.

            you missed the viable requirement.

    • Ted Crawford

      Yes we know Comrade, it’s only big daddy government, the benevolent benefactor that can provide for them! OH! Wait! It’s that same government that now denies them even this small relief! You are as transparent as your Dear Leader!

      • rbrooks

        tis amazing that the faithful few are unable to comprehend a simple post.

        not unusual tho, for this site.

        • Ted Crawford

          Au Contraire! It isn’t a lack of comprehension that’s bedeviling you, but rather the fact that many are well aware of this tactic! It’s been used , in modern times by other despotic Regime’s from Lenin, through Hitler and Mao! Standard Operating Procedure for any dictatorial wantabe!

          • rbrooks

            the lack of comprehension is a problem for you. perhaps you can point out where i stated that govt was doing a good job? or that only govt could provide the solution?

            try broadening your view. or just open your eyes. replacing the current govt programs, poorly run as they are, with a program that provides even less, is not a solution.

          • Ted Crawford

            Constantly babbling Narcissistic, Ideologically Petulant Criticism, is even less a solution! Belittling those who do whatever they can, no matter how little that is, while demanding prefection, is to simply allow Perfect to become the Enemy of good!
            “Nothing in the World is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity” Martin Luther King

          • rbrooks

            a different tact to cover your lack of comprehension.

            demanding a viable solution is not demanding perfection.

            whining about the poorly run govt programs without a viable solution to replace them is what most of you folks do.

            you must have been looking in the mirror, eh.

    • Steve E

      NC may be a conservative state, but I can assure you that Raleigh is not a conservative city. It has a huge bureaucracy. If you ask anyone who does construction in Raleigh, they will tell you how ridiculous they are when getting permits and certificates of occupancy. Many construction companies avoid working in Raleigh for that reason. The other contractors that do work in Raleigh just double their bids when they quote on a job.

      • topmah

        Yep, Steve E–this incident is just another example of the never ending interference of liberals who ‘know what’s best’. And you’re so right about Raleigh & its neighbor, Durham–many in our state would just prefer to erect a huge fence around them & declare it ‘Little Cuba’ or ‘Mini-Venezuela’. rbrooks would fit right in since he believes that only gov’t can care for people. And as one who DID give a homeless guy a ‘decent paying job’, only to have him skip town in less than 3 weeks, I suggest rbrooks take his/her own advice & give it a try–they’ll soon find out that even their rose-colored glasses won’t hide the truth about many homeless folks–they’re there for a handout (& the guy I helped would even complain about dinners I’d take, saying he didn’t like this or that) & have no intentions of being independent. But then, isn’t that the way of most libs? Totally ignorant of real life…

        • christie

          Not all homeless are like that guy so why deny help to all homeless because of an incidence?

          • topmah

            Are you assuming that I would ‘deny help to all homeless’? If so, then you’d be wrong. I help with clothing & food, but usually thru a group that works directly with them. If I encounter one who’s asking for a handout, I’ll offer to bring them food but I do not give them money. Sadly, many of my offers are refused since it’s not actually food they want but $$ instead…

  • red neck

    UH…Well… It’s like this….

    The government does NOT want any organization ( unless it is government ran ) feeding people because the government is NOT in control especially if it is a Christian organization or church… It’s called totalitarianism not authoritarianism…

    Permits are an avenue for the government to sneak in and control… For a better understanding look closely at obama-care and how the government will ultimately control 100% of the health care complex.

    Sorry for the disagreement with your interpretation BOB but authoritarianism is a horse of a different color.

  • dan

    God gave me a permit …it’s called the Holy Bible.
    Feed the poor ,heal the sick….in Jesus name.
    You want to take that up with Him ?

    • rbrooks

      that certainly explains why we have so many who are not being fed or healed.

      • dan

        …more a suggestion…I wasn’t called to that but to live quietly
        and raise my own food and family . ..but I’ve never turned someon that was in need away without trying to help.

  • Strangerinastangeland

    If you want to ruin the parks for the citizens’ use, just announce that you will be feeding the poor and hungry on certain days and times. The poor and hungry will come from your town and other towns. The parks will be trashed and full of homeless/mentally ill people. Those folks need help, but there are better places to distribute food, etc. without taking the parks away from the public.

    • JLouisK

      It already is happening!

    • Karolyn

      Apparently, they have had no problems in the six years they’ve been doing this! And, of course, the homeless and hungry ARE the public!

    • Libertarian58

      So, you’re saying that the poor and homeless are not part of the “public”?

      • Strangerinastangeland

        I’m saying that to sponsor a gathering in the park which will diminish the public’s right to use the park is to elevate the poor and homeless over the rights of the public. There are other places to feed the hungry. The poor and homeless are part of the public but by naming them as a separate group, you take them from the “public” and give them special rights as a “group.”

        • Robert Messmer

          Now see I read the article that the Love Wins Ministries was just answering a need that existed. You read it to say that the Ministries actively advertised it.

    • JUSTME

      shame on you Stranger…. This has not ruined the park in the last 6 years, why would it now?

      You obviously are the new generation of “I, ME, MY, MINE”. No thought for others

      Maybe you should go hungry for a week or two and then you would understand. Or probably not. selfish people only care about themselves

      • Strangerinastangeland

        Been there, done that. Been poor and got through it. They may not have ruined the park in the last 6 years but they denied the public the use of the park. There are better ways to do this.

        • Robert Messmer

          There was nothing in the article about denying the public the use of the park on Saturdays or any other day of the week. Yes there are better ways to do it but Raleigh apparently didn’t bother to do so.

  • Sassy3000

    So the “Caring Liberals” don’t want Churches feeding the poor. Why? Because they would be blessed by The Ever-Living God? Because they prove that the Govt is NOT required to help the poor?

    Or that the Govt should get something out of it? Even though as always, they do nothing to earn the money. they just reach out their greedy hands and pretend it’s to “help the Poor”. RME

    • Karolyn

      Why blame liberals? It is the fascist government.

  • http://www.alaskalive.net/ Alaskalive.net

    How about if they just laid the food out on a table, and let the hungry people get it themselves.. that way they are not DISTRIBUTING OR GIVING IT TO THEM…. the people are just taking it!

    • Robert Messmer

      Won’t work cause then the homeless will be arrested for theft.

  • Karolyn

    Just plain sick and heartless!

  • ibn insha

    A vast majority of Americans have this belief that we are a nation of rules therefore more rules are better. You wanted more rules you got more rules. Now live with it.

  • Libertarian58

    Statutory law (this nonsensical ordinance) is an affront to the common law and permits are nothing more than the government converting what used to be your right into a privilege granted by them for which you must pay a tribute. Someone please explain how anyone is being harmed by this humanitarian effort.

    • Robert Messmer

      No one was being harmed, except the reputation of the city council. Our city has (gasp) homeless people. Wait we won’t feed them and they will go somewhere else.

  • IBCAMN

    remember food is control!they want to control every aspect of your life,even when you volunteer or give something away!around here,they want us to pay taxes on rummage sales(garage,summer sales too),so the town got one low cost permit and everyone joined in at one place and sold all their stuff!(by the time the city workers got their lazy buts over to do reciepts,almost the entire town was gone,hahaha!!!
    and the same bunch went around trying to get local bands that play at taverns to pay a tax on the music they played or they couldn’t play!

    it’s all about control!!…and money!