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Home Schooling To Harvard

January 26, 2012 by  

Personal Liberty’s Wayne Allyn Root, a home-schooler, discusses school choice, home schooling, parental freedom and the disaster that is the U.S. public school system in the video "Home Schooling to Harvard."

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle Class Wayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site:

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  • Jeannine

    Some children are gifted others are not.

    • DaveH

      A psychology professor once told us that there had been an experiment where the gifted children were told they did poorly on their IQ tests and the non-gifted children were told they did well. After that, the non-gifted children performed well in class, and the others didn’t.
      The moral of that story? I think it’s all about attitude. Those who have good attitudes will succeed even if they do really have some slight mental handicaps. Above all, when your children do well, give them positive reinforcement. Make them feel good about doing well.
      And always remember that you can’t force children to learn. The more you try, the more they will rebel against learning.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Dave, you are so right. We have three sons. Our middle son was extremely shy. When he started school he was a very average student who struggled to remain invisible. We relocated as he was entering the 2nd grade. His teachered decided that he belonged in the lowest reading group. I protested because at home he was reading books that were at a 5th grade reading level. I told her that he loved reading and was an excellent reader. She refused to believe me and said that he was placed where he belonged. He struggled with reading out loud and succeeded at remaining invisible. In the spring the results of the standardized tests came out and my son was in the 99% for reading and math. She was quite surprised and apologized profusely. Before 3rd grade began I spoke with his new teacher and explained that he was very shy and would perform up to her expectations but probably not beyond. I asked her to please treat him as if he were the smartest child in the class and to expect a lot from him. That year and forever after, he bloomed and flourished. No more average grades. He was a straight A, honor roll student. It was all about attitude and expectation. If only all children could be “expected” to succeed, and be treated as if they were valuable. It makes a difference!

        • FreedomFighter

          American Failure in Education, Reason- Moyers, Susan Jacoby

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Tom W.

            Good link FF! I look at a lot of people around me and it’s hard to tell what day of the year is halloween anymore. It’s been reported that the wiccan religion is the fastest growing religion in the United States, especially among our young people. To much halloween I’d say is the problem, but we know that it’s all just fun and games, right? Boil, bubble, toil, and trouble. Young people and children are fasinated with the Harry Potter stories. And I was totally shocked when I heard on the O’Reilly Factor that the Harry Potter books were banned in our school system for promoting witchcraft. Well, praise be, hallelujah!!! Our school systems did that?! I didn’t think they had it in ‘em! It’s reported that J. K. Rowling is one of the wealthiest if not the wealthiest person in all of Great Britain, although I believe she still has a ways to go to catch up with the Rothchilds. Sit down and watch some of the cartoons and kids’ shows that they’re watching on TV anymore. Unless it’s Christian TV, and I’ve even got a problem with some of them. There’s not hardly a one of them that hasn’t got something to do with the occult, witchcraft, or the gay agenda. They’re using Scooby-doo to promote the wiccan religion to our kids! “And Tango makes Three”, The story of two gay penguins ( Whoever heard of such?) raising a infant penguin is mandatory reading for a lot of our first graders. Getting them used to the idea of same-sex marrages and alternitive life-style families. It’s indoctrination folks! And let me tell you grandparents something that you don’t want to hear, there’s none more guilty of indoctrinating our children into witchcraft and the gay agenda than Walt Disney studios. They’ve been tuning our little girls into princes and our boys into princesses for eight decades or so. Jesus says that you can tell whether a tree is good or evil by the fruit it produces. (Matt. 7:17) So let’s take a look at some of the Disney fruit; Michael Jackson, so taken with Disneyworld, that he built his own Never-never Land. Brittney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Milie Cyruss, and I’m sure there’s probably a few others. Oversexed, narcistic, middle-aged infants who refuse to grow up. Well I guess I can’t say that about Michael anymore, now can I? And Disney does it in such a cute way. Have you watched the Disney channel lately? It’s not Ole’ Yeller anymore folks. Their mask is starting to come off. Is this what you call wholesome family entertainment? You hav’nt noticed? It’s all about me, me, me! (Isaiah 14:12-15) And don’t listen to your parents, you know that you’re smarter than they are. I wonder if Al Gore was a mouseketeer?!!

          • MindOpenWhy

            Just a note that this reply is somewhat off topic, but is in reply to another comment regarding Harry Potter books and how the commenter was pleased that a school district had the courage to ban them (something I find wholly uncourageous for the record).

            That being said it does touch on the topic of critical thinking, which in my opinion is one of the most neglected, yet most important, topic in regards to how we teach our children. Some people seem to be more afraid of their children being exposed to ideas, rather than teaching them how to think for themselves.

            The fact that some take away from Harry Potter that it “promotes witchcraft” is a clear sign that somewhere in the process these peoples parents or the educational system they were brought up in, completely failed to teach them how to think critically and think on their own.

            Harry Potter is strictly fantasy. Saying it promotes witchcraft is like saying witchcraft is actually real, as if they have actually figured out how to harness magical forces…

            Show me a person who says they are going to use witchcraft to harm me, and I’ll show you a person I have no fear of. At least no fear that they are actually going to use witchcraft to harm me. Because there is no such thing as real witchcraft.

            It’s amazing that some people can completely miss the more important themes of books like the Harry Potter series. The magic part, the fantasy part is for your entertainment, to inspire your imagination.

            But if you dismiss it because, you think it will encourage children to practice witchcraft (how?), you miss more important elements like the struggle against evil, perserverance when facing difficult or life threatening circumstances, the importance of friendship, the importance of being able to tell the difference between right and wrong and good and evil, the importance of choosing to do the right thing even when it is difficult to do.

            For me at least, these are the things that make Harry Potter appealing. Not the ridiculous notion that “maybe magic is real and I can learn how to do this in real life”. Of course a child might believe such a notion, but that is why it is so important that parents and enducators engage with children on things like this, that they find so appealing, rather than banning them and competely ignoring their real responsibility.

            I understand peoples fears – “I fear my child will associate with dangerous people and engage in practices that are harmful to themselves and others”. The irony is that the Harry Potter stories can teach young people about the character qualities that can enable them to avoid these very things. Harry Potter isn’t a hero in these stories because he practices magic – there are other characters, that practice magic that are clearly evil – he’s a hero because he has the courage to stand up to evil even at great peril to himself.

            If a person thinks Harry Potter promotes witchcraft, or reads Harry Potter and thinks “I’ll go learn how to practice the dark art of magic!” there is a serious failure of critical thinking and a serious lack of the ability to tell the difference between what is real and what is pure fantasy.

            Banning books doesn’t solve the problem. Rather let children’s imaginations run wild in reading books like these, but then by simply taking the time to engage the child in conversation (not to mention actually reading the books or seeing the movies for yourself) a parent can easily use it as a teachable moment, without attacking the story, characters, or the author.

            Simple, thought provoking questions can easily help a young person gain valuable understanding:

            “Why does this character put himself in this dangerous situation? Do you think he’s being reckless or brave? What would you do? What do you think makes life in Harry Potters world more interesting than in real life? Is his world more dangerous because of magic or less so? Do you think the way Harry Potter faces danger is different or the same than how a real person faces danger? Harry Potter faces some pretty scary things. Are there things in real life that are just as scary? What gives Harry the courage to face danger? Is it just his magic ability? Or do you think he gets strength from his friends?”

            What is gained if the book is banned or a parent says “You are forbidden from reading or watching Harry Potter!” Guess what – the child will find a way, yet since the parent (or educator) has removed themself from the process the child absorbs it all without guidance.

          • libertytrain

            MindWideOpenWHy… I remember when I heard goofy stories about banning Harry Potter books. I’ve read all the books of Harry Potter and it has nothing to do with anything other than encouraging good imaginations.

          • MindOpenWhy

            Tom W. said “They’re using Scooby-doo to promote the wiccan religion to our kids!”

            Tom, please forgive me if you meant this as a joke, but I have to whole heartedly disagree with this statement.

            The characters in the Scooby-doo series use reason and detective skills to unmask villains who use stage tricks to play on peoples fears to benefit themselves (hmm, that description sounds just like the defintion for American politicians!).

            There is no real element of magic in the original Scooby-doo series, only the appearance of it.

            In fact, I would argue that if anything, Scooby-doo teaches kids not to believe based on superstition and fear, but rather to ask questions, investigate, and find the real solution to a mystery.

            That was always a big part of the plot of any Scooby-doo episode – most of the towns people were just completely fooled by the special effects and were running around too fearful and superstitious to actually do anything to solve the problem. This is where Mystery, Inc. gang would step in:

            “Each episode featured Scooby and the four teenaged members of the Mystery, Inc. gang: Fred, Shaggy, Daphne and Velma, arriving to a location in the “Mystery Machine” and encountering a ghost, monster, or other supernatural creature, who was terrorizing the local populace. After looking for clues and suspects and being chased by the monster, the kids come to realize the ghost and other paranormal activity is actually an elaborate hoax, and – often with the help of a Rube Goldberg-like trap designed by Fred – they capture the villain and unmask him. Revealed as a flesh and blood crook trying to cover up crimes by using the ghost story and costume, the criminal is arrested and taken to jail, often saying something to the effect of “…and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for you meddling kids!” ”


            Personally, I think more kids should watch Scooby-doo, then as they grow up they can apply those some tactics to unmask the “flesh and blood crooks” in the real world who are trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes.

            Okay, I have to give you credit Tom. You’ve opened my eyes to a whole new way of looking at what is wrong with the current American political system and the discourse being spewed on major news networks and coming from the politicians mouths.

            If we can all just keep a lookout for those that “use stage tricks to play on peoples fears to benefit themselves” and use our detective skills to unmask the villains, we may just have a shot.

            We have a lot to learn from Scooby-doo and the Mystery, Inc. gang, and maybe “those meddling kids” will have a much bigger positive impact than we could imagine.

        • texastwin827

          Nancy, I also have a daughter who, in the first semester of the 5th grade, tested at a 7th grade reading level, 11th grade vocabulary and an IQ of 123. While she was not shy, she excelled both socially and in all classes but math, thus the school’s reason for testing her.

          In the 7th grade, our state test results hadn’t come back so she had to go into the mandatory reading class (required unless you test at least 2 grade levels above the 7th grade). At one point (not sure how it came up) my daughter told her teacher she didn’t belong in the reading class to which the teacher said “Well, evidently you do, or you wouldn’t be here!”.

          Two weeks later, the state test results came back and she was transferred out of the reading class. 70 was the score for 7th grade level…she scored 95 on the state test, meaning she was 2 1/2 yrs ahead of her grade level. While my daughter had been taught (and expected to use) respect for her teachers, her parting words to the teacher was “See, I told you I didn’t belong in this class”. That time, the teacher didn’t open her mouth because she knew my daughter’s test score and why she was leaving.

          To me, the teacher’s original comment was a “put down” comment, since she read aloud as well as she read, silently. A real teacher would have realized, the minute she heard her read aloud, that the student was correct…she didn’t belong in the reading class!

          • Chris Schilke

            There are good teachers and bad teacher just as in any profession. It’s a shame(or maybe a good thing) that your daughter had to experience a bad teacher. I can remember being told by one teacher that the only reason she was there was to collect a paycheck and she was right. I didn’t know what to do with this kind of a thing as a student and if I had to raise children now I’d have a more active part in my children’s education. What I’d do is probably what you had to do and that is to explain to your children the truth about people: there are good ones and bad ones and it’s not how they behave but how we respond to their behavior. A student can disagree with an authority figure like a teacher and still be respectful. Respect doesn’t mean to cow tow to improper behavior. Your daughter was right in responding as she did to the teacher.

        • Renee

          I totally agree. Teachers need to have expectations but they don’t. They go by what the teacher before wrote about that child and don’t take the time to get to know them as an individual. I know, I worked in the school system and teachers are notorious for lack of expectation. At their defense, parents are sending their kids to school without proper training, no discipline, no manners, no food in their stomach, no hygiene and teachers are having to pick up the slack. (at least in the area where I taught)They are also expected to teach things, I PERSONALLY don’t agree with and that is a huge waste of valuable learning time! Parents…get your act together, train up your children in the ways they should go so when they get old they will not depart from them, spend more time with your kids, they didn’t ask to be born, remember that!!! Teachers are meant to teach, you are meant to do everything else! If you homeschool your children, remember to teach them all the other stuff besides reading, writing and arithmetic, they need other skills as well. MAKE SURE they have interaction with other kids their own age so they can learn social skills. That is one of the areas I see lacking with some homeschooled children. Children are so amazing and they will only give what they are expected to give.

          • Tom W.

            Renee, the parents you refer to are the products of the same system that you are defending by blaming the immature, uncaring, sociopathic, lazy, drug and alchohol addicted parents! Young adults refuse to grow up these days, and I know that y’all think I’m full of bunk, But I lay the blame on the children’s entertainment industry!

        • Tom W.

          Great story Corn Husker Nancy!!!

        • Kay

          go to February 13… Kay says:

      • TIME


        How odd that science backs your post. Let me explain we all have the ability to have 200 plus IQ’s and thats a fact.
        We have also learned that most children tested at age 3 are highly creative and display all positive traits for mental growth.

        BUT – the same children tested at age 7 show slowed brain growth. Why?

        It’s the social enviroment where kids are tought that they CAN’T do, or that they are not as smart as others etc..
        From this point on its all down hill for way to many.

        • independent thinker

          This all goes back to the old “nature or nurture” argument. Here is the what has been decided about that discussion.

          We are all born with a certain inate ability beyond which we cannot go. How we develop that ability and how far we go with it is affected by our enviorment with a few exceptions. And Time we do not all have ther ability to have 200 IQs. With the proper teaching/learning enviorment we can reach our inate ability but we cannot all go beyond it to reach 200.

          • DaveH

            And your proof is?

          • TIME

            I agree with Dave on your post, where’s your proof.
            I only quoted the Science aka, a study done on thousands of children of what I do have the papers somewhere in my hundreds of piles of papers on Political rhetoric.

            The facts as far as PUBLIC schools is, that they are little more than PRISONS, yet the best of all “PROGRAMED” class’s, perhaps better stated PROPAGANDA.
            My God man every possible way to kill the Creative spark is used to shut kids down to include DRUGING them into a mindless state so they have no drive nore direction and will do as they are told like good little Zombies.

            Hey who won WW II? Do you know what they teach kids on that issue?
            I bet you don’t.
            How about who’s the best President ever? Bet you don’t know the answer.
            Or how about how to take care of a baby? Really why is that again?

          • Tom W.

            We must all play the cards we are dealt! Everyone is not going to be an Eienstein, but neither do all of our kids need to turn out as Sponge Bobs and Patricks!!! If you’ll aren’t watching what your kids are watching you have NO IDEA what you’re missing!!! Our children are being indoctrinated by very sick individuals into the GLBT community!

          • Dennis48e

            Time I only dissagreed with one line of your post that being EVERYONES ability to have over a 200 IQ.

          • Dennis48e

            oops I should have said he instead of I.

        • Robert Smith

          From Time: “Let me explain we all have the ability to have 200 plus IQ’s and thats a fact.”

          No it isn’t.

          Some do, most don’t.


          • DaveH

            And you know this how?

        • Tom W.

          My sentiments exactly TIME! Turn off the TV’s, no tube until all homework is done and then only wholesome educational shows!

          • Tom W.

            OMG!!! I sound like my parents!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        That was an odious experiment considering that children believe what they are told. So to save one group of children the experimenters destroyed another.

      • Tom W.

        Do you want to know why your child got sent home with a note from the teacher saying that they were acting like a goof-ball?! All you have to do is watch one episode of Sponge Bob!!!

      • Randall R.

        I wish I could have seen that experiment because I have yet to see it in a classroom. The students who do well are by far those who have reinforcement at home from their parents not to just make the grade to but in conduct as well. The biggest problem in public education is that teachers no longer have the ability to paddle the insolent child who disrupts class. Every single teacher I know and have worked with and have been taught by years ago who have taught recently ALL agree. The lack of freedom to maintain classroom discipline in this way is the single biggest problem to education in America. Just the other day I had a first grader tell me he didn’t have to do what I said because “I couldn’t spank him.” He was emboldened and condescending at that early age by this truth that gives students the upper hand against the teachers. We mock our educators and education system with these laws and then mock them more for it doing exactly what we’ve created them to do, fail!

        • MindOpenWhy

          Randall R.

          I am curious if you have ever read “How to Talk So Kids Will Listen & Listen So Kids Will Talk.”

          I think it provides some interesting perspective on the non-punitive tactics that can be used by both parents and educators in eliciting a positive, cooperative response from children.

          It would be interesting to see how the techniques outlined in this book might impact your relationship with the first grader you were speaking of.

          Obviously though it will be a lot tougher if the parents don’t agree with the approach and aren’t willing and able to apply it consistently at home. Some parents can be their own worst enemy when it comes to giving their own children the best chance at success.

          I wouldn’t agree that the inability to use corporal punishment is the “biggest problem” in public education. That certainly presents some challenges, since the “old way” of maintaining discipline is no longer possible in a public setting.

          Discipline, is certainly an issue but perhaps the real issue is that we haven’t done a very good job giving educators alternate tools for eliciting positive cooperative responses.

          In my own experiences with my 5 year old son, I used to get very frustrated at his lack of cooperation, and his apparent “insolence”.

          But I have found that as I learn and apply the techniques in this book, that a much more pleasant and meaningful resolution is achieved.

          You can judge for yourself, if you decide to check it out, but in my opinion this book is not just presenting a fuzzy-wuzzy, all positive approach, but rather challenges the reader to develop a deeper level of connection and communication with children, by helping us work together to find the root causes when problems arise and also by getting the child involved in creating working solutions.

          I hope you’ll consider checking it out and would love to hear your perspective on it.

    • RadiantT

      Some parents are gifted, most parents are average at best.

      • Tall Ted

        Considering the state of daytime television, I doubt that many people who stay at home during the days will be successful at home schooling.

        • RevNowWhileWeCan

          That may make it as the most prejudical statement of today’s comments. Obviously you don’t get the meaning of home schooling. My uneducated guess is that you were brought up thru the wonderful public school system?

          • Tom W.

            And just what system was responsible for your enlightenment RNWWC?!!

        • Greg

          I was home one weekday and I turned on the T.V. After 1 hour of daytime television, I thought I was going to DIE!!! That is the most moronic crap I’ve seen in a long time. I understand what you’re saying.

          • FreedomFighter

            George Carlin Illuminati New World Order Exposed


            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Old Henry


            How do you come up with all these links?? That was good. I was unsure whether to laugh or cry, so I did both…

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So who told you to turn on the television?

          • Tom W.

            Try a hour of Nickelodian!!! I’ll guarantee you’ll have a better understanding!

          • Tom W.

            Awesome link FF!!! You were right OH! Just how long has this been going on?!

            Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
            “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”


            Now I do not claim to be an expert on hidden meanings by any means, but there are a whole lot of things going on in this painting, especially on the floor!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You are totally ignorant about homeschooling, considering that homeschoolers and their parents rarely sit in front of the television without a specific program to be watched.
          Homeschooling is also done by religious and non religious so don’t even go that rabbit hole.

          • Tom W.

            But I JUST love exploring rabbit holes Naddy!!! As Elmer would say, “Shhhhh… Weir hunting bunny wabbits…”

        • a marvin

          What is a television ? So, if you are sitting at home that obligates you to watch TV ?

        • Tom W.

          Amen to that TT!!!

        • independant thinker

          Obviously you know nothing about stay at home parents. Many do not watch daytime TV or if they do they only watch one program such as the local noon time news and information show.

    • John

      “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
      ― Albert Einstein

      • Lee

        I understand this concept all too well. As a child, all I ever heard was, “How did I get such a stupid kid?”, or “Don’t mind her, she just isn’t too bright.” “You’ll never learn to read, you just aren’t smart enough.” I was held back in the second grade! After both parents, one at a time, abandoned me, Mother when I was 9, and Daddy when I was 17, leaving me with my paternal grandparents, I slowly began to learn that I wasn’t stupid. I was in the 11th grade by then. All through high school, I attended summer school, for Spanish, History, English. I was never an A student, and never got to receive my diploma, because I still had to finish summer school. As it turns out, knowing what I know now, I have dyslexia. Reading, math and spelling were torture for me.
        After I was married, I still got the feeling that my husband didn’t think I was too bright either, always correcting my spelling, or making me doubt whether I had spelled something right. The dictionary became my best buddy.
        Somewhere along the way, I came to realize I wasn’t all that slow, and have even been asked what college I had attended. Although I know I’m not stupid, I fail to accomplish the things I want to, because of that constant self doubt. I’ll go so far, then think I can’t do it. I know — that isn’t right, and it actually isn’t a conscious thought, because when I look back now, I wonder why I didn’t just do whatever it was that I thought I couldn’t.
        So, the point of this post, is say that early impressions of oneself, inflicted by ‘loving’ parents, have a lifetime of either consequence, or success, depending on the praise or criticisms.

        • RevNowWhileWeCan

          I hear you Lee. We are all definately a product of what we are told we are growing up. Perception is reality.

          • Tom W.

            I complained to my dad one time when he had a chore he wanted me to do, that I had a headache. He told me, “A head like that’s suupposed to hurt son.” Oh how I miss him!!! He was my buddy!

        • texastwin827

          Lee, I am sorry that you did not have very supportive, nor very kind, parents, however, that said, I am GLAD that you eventually learned you own true value.

          Do not EVER let the words of others, hold you back! While it may require hard work to achieve what you want to, you can do anything that you set your mind to.

          • Lee

            Thanks. The good news is that I survived it, and am stronger for it, in some ways, and weaker in others. I like to think I am strong where it counts. Thanks to the internet, I have developed a hunger for knowledge. Searching for answers, now a days, is lightning fast, and I have the world at my fingertips. I am learning more about our country, than I ever learned in school. Then there is the knowledge I don’t really like learning, which is about how the government works today. Don’t even get me started.

        • Tom W.

          The one that got me was, “He isn’t the brightest Crayola in the box, is he?” Look at Albert Eienstein, his teachers thought he was stupid because they couldn’t understand him! Duh….

      • Tom W.

        Awesome quote John!!! That’s akeeper!

    • Greg

      Some people write gifted comments, then there is you.

      • Tom W.

        What you mean willis?!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Who are these “some” children that you are refering to? Who made you expert on all children?

      • Tom W.

        Get ‘em Naddy!

    • Tom W.

      Jesus loves the little children, all the little children of the world, weather they’re yellow, black, or white, they are precious in his sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world!!! Everything is beautiful, in it’s own way…..
      All children are gifted! In one way or another!!!

    • Joe Joe

      Hey, there;s a good cop out. “My child isn’t “gifted”, so we don’t expect much”. That’s the spirit! Thought provoking comment you put out there. If your child isn’t “gifted”, then I guess they’ll just have to work harder. If your child isn’t “gifted”, this doesn’t mean that they cannot reach great heights. It’s every parents duty to give their kids every opportunity at success! There is no denying that our public school system (in most areas around the country) are a colossal failure, That’s Failure with a capital F. Two problems; No child left behind, and Unions. In their most ideal form, unions are great. Problem is, lazy sets in, and motivation goes out the door. When you can keep your job regardless of performance, that is a HUGE problem. Union leadership dipping off into politics is a real problem as well. It slants opinion and puts bias on things. As with government, things become unnecessarily complicated and you end up with a bunch of LAZY BUMS who have jobs with outrageous wages! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! Our kids (collectively) are in last place with no prospects for the future. Our schools have become indoctrination/brainwashing breeding grounds. Some of the crap going on in our public schools is nothing short of disgusting. Teaching our kids that homosexual relationships are “normal”, taking parents rights away from making critical decisions for OUR children, global warming hoaxes, the list goes on and on. For those insane, trendy, hip, up to date moronic idiots that say “what’s wrong with my kid learning about penis puffing (or vagina huffing)”, or “global warming, I believe everything Al Gore says”, or “my child not needing my permission for an abortion or getting vaccinations, what’s the problem”? You are brain dead, brainwashed turds, who need a Mommy and Daddy yourselves. YOU are what’s wrong with this country, you and your ignorance and naivete!

      • Tom W.

        Preach, Joe Joe, Preach!!! I’m not going to quit beating the entertainment horse tonight folks! Young girls, their moms, and God-forbid even some of their grandmothers hypnotized by the macabre romanticism of Stephenie Meyers’ “Twilight” series, nothing more romanic than a cold, pale, blood sucking vampyre I suppose. You’ve got authors like Richelle Mead, James Patterson, Laurie Faria Stolarz, Christopher Pike, and others, proudly self-proclaimed vampyres, witches, and warlocks. And their serious folks! There’s even a series of vampyre novels by author P.C. Cast in which one of her books entitled “ The Fledgling Handbook 101” tells young impressionable teen and pre-teenage girls and boys that if they display certain signs and symptoms shortly after puberty that they are members of the vampyre race, and that if they don’t get themselves to one of these “Houses of Night” where they can be surrounded by and nurtured by other mature vampyres that they’re going to die! Now if you go online and do some digging, they say that it’s just a fantasy series, but the book itself states these things as if they’re fact and nowhere does it say that it’s simply fiction. The book is also full of occult signs and rituals. So when your teenager comes in with a tattoo across their forehead, with a crescent moon in the center of it like a third eye, you’ll know whose book they’ve been reading.

    • jgray

      Every child has a talent – the trick is to watch for it, identify it, and encourage it.

  • alexa

    This is one of many success stories when addressing home schooling. Home school educated consistently out perform ‘every child left behind’.

    Pick a system that government gets involved in. education, health care, pension programs, etc. government fails.

    The US education system ranks very very low (14th to 25th) compared globally when others spend less money.

    Get government and unions out of education and it will immediately improve.

    • Lynne

      Right on, alexa, and bravo to this man and his wife who were so very much involved and dedicated to their children’s education!

      • s c

        Lynne, anyone who knows what’s going on in public schools can tell you that it’s classic Uncle Scam. His only ‘skill’ is to throw good money after bad, because he knows most American trust the old fart enough to waste time thinking twice about another failed social engineering project.
        ABORT the Department of Education. Run so-called education experts out of town on a rail. Stop letting your kids be indoctrinated in utopian schools. To do otherwise is to risk becoming another lemming (like the poser below who’s borrowed a military title).
        In education, Uncle Scam is your mortal enemy. Your kids get ONE chance to get an education. The odds are too high that if your kids survive public school, they’ll become potential voters for the next Obummer. CHOOSE. It’s your KIDS or your EGO.
        We have NO friends in public school. Unless your kids are in a small school in a small community, they belong to Uncle Scam. Please, wake up while you can.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Parents may think that it is the teachers who are teaching the kids in the school system but the probability is that the bad behaviors are learned from each other and the childrens’ peers have more influence than even the teachers.

          • Greg

            No!!! Most parents are aware of at least three teachers that should be FIRED!!! Unfortunately, we have a “teacher’s union” that will fight to the death (literally) to keep those bad teachers in place.

          • Vigilant

            To an extent, you are both right.

          • Tom W.

            You are both right, but I lean alittle more with Naddy on this one, our kids are spending way too much unsupervised time with their friends and provocatours of THE agenda. Parents have to be constantly on their toes and in most households these days, both parents have to work to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. This is going right along with THEIR playbook, The Rockefeller Foundation started telling our wives back in the early 20th century that they weren’t socially fulfilled being the glue that has held our world together since the beginning of time. That they needed to get out of the home and find that self-fulfillment in the rat race! Now women are starting to find out that this was just a lie strait out of the mouth of the father of all liars!!! (John 8:44) Our kids need mom at home!

    • NC

      Alexa,how much better would our low income students perform if they could have the benefit of several retired teachers working with them one on one everday like DAKOTA? Or the benefit of the teaching aids available to a high income family?

      Have you ever wondered how we got to the moon and Mars with people who BEGAN with “just’ a public shool education.

      Home schooling has some advantages but I can’t see it as a workable education system for a nation of 315 million people if we abandon our public education when both parents must work just to KEEP the home??? The vogue in education use to be to “send the children abroad” for a “better” education. How practical was that?

      • DaveH

        This is reality, NC:

        For sure, most parents don’t have the time and luxury of being able to home-school their children, but that, by no means, makes Public Schools the preferred choice. One major problem is that Government Schools have a big incentive to Propagandize children in favor of Big Government. Another is that Government Schools have little incentive to stick their necks out and work efficiently since their jobs are very well protected. And if parents don’t like the school’s performance, what then? They can send their kids to another local poorly run school, or they pay again to send their kids to a private school. I say “pay again” because they already pay for their kids Public School education through their taxes, and they get no refund when they send their kids to private schools instead.

      • John

        We got to the moon because of people who where educated in Germany and the 3rd Reich. We got where we are because of ‘operation paperclip” after WW-II. Without that, the western world would be lacking and we may about right now would be able to go to the moon. Research operation paper clip and think about its implication on the progress of this country. and then look at the decline after that generation started to die off. After WW-II, this country hat a steep curve of advancements, and after its peak in the early to mid 70s it is declining again. Are you aware that most modern military equipment is build in license obtained from other countries? Are you aware that the US is in a steady decline in the issue of real patents and real inventions? We still have lots of patents…junk and applications patents but no real inventions.
        If this continues without fundamental changes in education, we will not be able to retain our position in this world.

        • ValDM

          I’m grateful to you for mentioning Germany in your post. Most Americans are woefully ignorant of the fact that America obtained missile technology from Germany as “spoils of war”. If America hadn’t obtained this knowledge, think of what our military would be today, or even our transportation!

          • NC

            VALDM, I’ll be the first admit that this country is where it is today because of what we absorbed from the entire world. What bothers me is when a certain element in this country writes off “foreigners” as stupid or to be hated when they were composing great music, building great buildings and writing great literature back when we were still killing bears with a stick in this country.

          • ValDM

            The last half of your post was completely unnecessary, but you being you……………..obnoxious & a pandering fool of the left; you just couldn’t leave well enough alone.

            Just as an aside, exactly when did we as a society kill bears with sticks????? If you can prove ANYONE (domestic or foreign) killed a bear with a stick, I’ll kiss your heinie on the courthouse steps at noon next Wednesday. LOL,LOL,LOL………..what a maroon.

          • DaveH

            A purple moron?

        • RevNowWhileWeCan

          Great point John. Alot of the populus have been brainwashed into thinking that American’s are so innovative and brilliant when most of our great thinker’s and scholar’s came from abroad. Not all but more than the MSM would lead you to beleive.

      • Tom W.

        NC, your screws loose!!! Teachers already make enough money that our children in the PSS should be the smartest in the world! The problem lies in the fact that the union protects lazy, incompetent, immoral eachers! They need to be fired, our future depends on it!!! Wealthy people wouldn’t send their children to private schools if our public schools weren’t broken! They didn’t get rich by wasteing money. and if you think the problem only exists in the PSS, you are sorely mistaken!!!

    • John

      There are unions and the government involved in schools in countries that are on the top of the list. That is not the problem, The problem is that the curriculum will need to be reworked and be universal and the same in every school. Get rid of the high focus on sports, bands and other nonsense that has nothing to do with education.If students are interested in it they can do all of this in their own free time. If parents are interested in it they can pay for it.

      Structure schools to give a NEUTRAL foundation, no religion, no political preference strictly neutral.
      It should be the parents task to teach/learn what ever else they believe is needed. And it is the parents duty to teach their children the religious and political foundations they believe in keep the government out of it. if the parents do a good job and provide the right foundation, it will never mater what other ideas children will be exposed to as long as they are presented in a neutral way. In fact, exposure to ideas other then their own believe is what makes for a person that is educated and secure.
      But that would mean that there is an involvement of the parents and that is the real problem in the US, this involvement is lacking.
      Parents stick their kids into the public school system (and private school system) and walk away from the responsibility. In this country it is more important for both parents to work so they can have the flat panel TV,the newest electronic gadget, the new SUV, the next big home with more space then they need…. consumerism has taken over our life’s and the government and corporations are using this focus to control the sheep.
      There is nothing wrong with government education if it is done right, but unfortunately, the US system has degenerated into a system that is eerie similar to the indoctrination system used in N-Korea and Iran and has nothing to do with education and all to do with turning the masses into consumer and government slaves. And the parents in their laziness and misguided focus have let it happen. Why do you believe the elite is sending their kids ab road to go to school or have private tutors? They don’t want their kids turned into consumer slaves but turned into productive human beings that are able to function without being brainwashed sheep to the bankers and corrupt government.

      • ValDM

        You make some valid points, but I will take you to task over some of your more blatant goofs. My mother HAD to work, because after my dad put in 12-16 hours a day, there wasn’t enough money to support 3 children & a wife. But, we were a family & survived. We kids did all the housework & yardwork while my mom cooked after she worked all day. BTW, this was WAY before flat-screen TVs. In fact, this was before we had a TV (we didn’t even have a radio). Our society has been planned from long ago, that both parents should work, & become so exhausted & distracted that they couldn’t perform their parental duties.

        The problem is that we’ve been fed a steady stream of garbage that we “need” certain things (part of the indoctrination thing), that credit is good, and that tomorrow will take care of itself.

        You say we don’t need any religion. On that point you’re right. We don’t need religion, but we DO NEED GOD. We’ve lost our moral compass, & have only degenerated since the lefty loons have tried to move heaven & earth to have GOD removed from everything.

        • Robert Smith

          Can we have your god AND age appropriate sex education?

          Can we have your god AND get rid of that creationism garbage in science class? (It’s OK in a religion or political class.)

          Can we have your god AND have kids in school who don’t have any interest in him?


          • ValDM

            I knew I could flush you out. You are such a rabid anti-God twit, any mention of Him sends you into apoplexy.

            Too bad you think you’re the greatest thing on the planet. You’ll soon find out that there is an Entity FAR greater than you. But I’m sure when the truth hits you it’ll be too late for you. Sucks to be you.

          • Opal the Gem

            I suspect Robert Smith thinks he is so superior his poop don’t stink.

          • Robert Smith

            Val posts: “You’ll soon find out that there is an Entity FAR greater than you.”

            Or not…

            The only talking bush I’ve heard is a failed president.


    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      So true Alexa. What’s also so funny is the fact that so many people ridicule the kid’s that are home schooled. Alot of them are labeled as “different” by the majority. I think it’s mostly a label put on by the most insecurest of people.

      • independent thinker

        I think you are only partly correct. While insecurity of those making fun of home schooling does play a part they are encouraged to (or at least not discouraged from) making fun of the home schooled by the higher ups in education. I seem to remember a home schooled person who scored the highest possible score on the SAT. When that can happen it naturaly undermines the PTB in education and they are not going to willingly admit that home schooling can do that so they will allow those in the public education system to make fun of the home schooled so their egos will be appeased.

    • texastwin827

      In a large majority of cases, home-schooled children actually score higher than public school children, even if they went to an academically high ranked high school.

    • Robert Smith

      Alexa says: “The US education system ranks very very low (14th to 25th) compared globally when others spend less money.”

      Our health care system is right there next to Cuba around 20 something also. Yet that is private.

      How do you explain the rising prices and failure of our health care system?


      • DaveH

        Oh Please, Robert, are you kidding? We haven’t had Laissez-Faire in our Health Care system since Teddy Roosevelt:

        I love the way you Liberals stack the decks in your favor, Robert. First you regulate an industry into inefficiency, then you offer yourselves as the solution with even more regulatory poison.

        • Robert Smith

          Claimed: “First you regulate an industry into inefficiency…”

          Really? What regulations in place for the medical community reduce efficiency?

          Please be specific.


    • Tom W.

      Listen to the words real carefully alexa! Preach, John, Preach!!!

  • Phillip in TX

    My wife and I are home schooling our children. We refuse to put them into the “public indoctrination system.”

    • s c

      Phillip, THANK YOU! Your children thank you. Americans who CARE thank you. You’ve made the best investment that parents can make.

    • moonbeam

      Phillip, My hat is off to you and your wife for making the sacrifice to educate your children at home. Sacrifice, the operative word here, is what Mr Root is talking about. Being a parent, rich or poor, means you SACRIFICE to give them the very best education and other necessities you can possibly give.

  • KaosMethod

    I would prefer to home-school my 4 year old daughter, I just have a couple concerns. I work from home for many hours a day and my wife is the CEO of my home. My wife is a nationalized citizen and feels that her English is insufficient to effectively teach our daughter.

    So my available time and my wife’s teaching skills are the two constraints keeping us from home-schooling. I want the best education for my child but I don’t see how to make it happen. Has anyone else suffered a dilemma like this? If so how did you address it?

    • Paul Riggs

      Excellent question/concern. Community used to be about helping one another, as we ALL have a vested interest in the success of our children. There are different options depending on state laws/regulations , however, small groups of like-minded people can come to a consensus to utilize one parents house as the “school”, a homeschool church group, but there’s a limit on the children and you have to calculate in the financial aspects of everyone [ie. you use my house, but this parent teaches, all parents contribute snacks (bulk items), this requires dedication and trust… Are we still one nation under God indivisible?

      • DaveH

        The question is — Are we still Free? The answer is obvious.

        • John

          The citizens of this country have not been free for the last 100 years. They have slowly been brainwashed and transformed into nice little consumer slaves, beholden to the banks , the corporations and gadgets they provide, and to the government who thinks we can’t even take a dump without them telling us how much water we can use to flush. How many of you are terrified your credit rating gets lower? Fear is the first means of control, and so all government and private corporations have to to is to swamp our life with rules, regulations and laws. Ad to that the religious suppression of the masses and the control through brimstone, guild and fire and what you have left are slaves.
          Anyone who believes that this is still the land of the free, is utterly delusional and either need to seek professional help, or need to take a big step back, stop and examine his / her everyday life to get a clue.
          Are other countries much better? Sure if you want to life in the middle of the Gobi desert and be a sheep herder. Otherwise nope, some are slightly better most are worse and all suppress their citizens in the name of civilization.

          • NC

            John, I am so sorry that you are so miserable that your freedoms are bing surpressed in this country. What church can’t you go to? What church are you forced to go to? What would you like to say that you aren’t allowed say? When have you been jerked off the street and questioned by the “thought” police? What government TV programs or movies are you are you forced to watch? What papers are you forced to read? Who brainwashed you? I hope you have the number of the ACLU! They are in the business of protecting people from the infringement and/or denial of their civi rights! I have never seen as much “fear” anywhere as here!Is this the “fear” that controls you?

          • John

            Take of your blinders, stop and think…… look at what and who controls you, and you may wake up to reality. Judging from your post though, you rather don’t want to, its probably easier for you to just go with the flow.

          • DaveH

            NC says “I have never seen as much “fear” anywhere as here”.
            Then please explain to us, NC, why you and your fellow Liberals constantly advocate for more Government to protect us from myriad paper tigers, such as those Rich people who are taking advantage of us, and the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax, and the Health Care Scare, and the Terrorist Scare, and the Energy Depletion Scare, and the ….
            There is no end to the Fearsome things that you Liberals want to protect us from, and of course that protection you offer us is at our own expense.
            If you are such a brave man, NC, then face those dangers with your own money, not ours.

          • DaveH

            It’s comical that a ‘feed me, clothe me, shelter me, provide me free health care (waa, waa, waa)’ Liberal like NC would attempt to label US as the Fearful ones.

          • Tall Ted

            John – there are three major institutions that keep people from doing what they please: the governments, the churches, and the insurance companies. And when two of them get together, we are really screwed.

          • DaveH

            Only one of those institutions, Ted, has assumed the Power of Force.

      • Robert Smith

        From Paul: “Are we still one nation under God indivisible?”

        I hope not. That was added to the Pledge of Allegence in the 1950s during the McCarthy commy scare.

        In FACT America has been a melting pot of all sorts of folks who worship a wide assortment of gods, goddesses, or not at all. Remember NO STATE RELIGION.


        • DaveH

          Where is that in the Constitution, Robert?

    • Helen2

      KaosMethod, Use tutors. There are still a lot of tutors out there. No one says you have to have school at certain particular hours, teach when you can and let your wife teach what she can. There are lots of good curriculum that she could use to teach your daughter and she would learn things too. It would be your job to ensure your daughter was learning to speak English correctly. You will both be surprised at how well she will do. I don’t know where your wife came from, but what a blessing to be able to learn two languages at such a young age. It’s been proven kids learn a second language quicker than adults. Good luck and I really hope you homeschool your daughter.

      • independent thinker

        KaosMethod, use your wifes difficulties with english to your advantage. It has been proven that a child who is bilingual from a very young age has much less trouble picking up a 3rd, 4th, and even more languages. As far as her difficulties with english hurting your childs learning, It will have a negligable effect if she is otherwise able to teach your child. As Helen2 said you can help with the english or get a tutor to help with that.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You are first trying to develop the character of the child since she still is 4 years old. But you talk to her and show her pictures that you describe verbally, read magazines and newspapers to her, read books to her, sit around the dinner table and discuss issues, watch the TV news together and comment.She will pick up how you feel and think. Help her make decisions about clothes and food, why something is good or bad.Exercise together, takes walks together,etc..
      Essentially what you are doing is living life with the child and not necessarily having the child sit behind the desk all day.There will be time when curriculums can be bought when she is school age.

    • Sue

      We homeschooled our 4 children even though both my husband and I worked full time. Nobody says school must start at 8am and end at 3pm! As a matter of fact we (and most of the home school families we know) only spent about 2 hours per day actually sitting down giving instruction. When my husband and I were at work our kids completed assignments and projects indipendently – some were on the computer, others were worksheets and practiced their instruments, etc. After dinner we “graded” their work and worked on other skills like cooking, foreign language, etc.

      All four of our children went to college (our youngest graduates from Syracuse University this spring!) and are doing great. All four speak 3 languages (not all the same ones), ski, each plays an instrument (our daughter is in the NY Symphony Orchestra,playing the flute) and they are happy, smart and successful young adults!

      • DaveH

        Good job, Sue.

      • Mike W.

        I really enjoy hearing success stories like your’s regarding home schooling. I hope all of your grandchildren will be able to receive the same education, too.

    • Tanya

      I would encourage you to give homeschooling a try in spite of what you perceive as your family’s limitations. Every family is unique, and I think the fact that you work from home and that your wife has experienced multiple languages and cultures could provide a rich learning atmosphere for your daughter.

      I have homeschooled my seven children from the start in spite of income limitations, chronic health problems, and a husband who has very little time at home. Believe me, I have many times wondered if I’m shortchanging their education, but I have two teenagers now and I’m amazed at the results in spite of my own limitations. Simply keeping kids out of the school atmosphere and close by your side gives you the opportunity to encourage them in their unique interests and gifts. My teenagers are responsible, self-directed learners who know how to interact with people of all ages.

      I have also learned so much teaching my kids, I would encourage your wife to read, read, read to your daughter if she wants to improve her language skills. One great advantage of being a homeschool parent is you get to be a lifelong learner! If you want to make sure you have a firm grasp on a concept, just try to explain it to a seven-year-old!

    • s c

      KaosMethod, your choice is simple, and you can answer your own question. CHOOSE between doing the right thing [homeschooling] and doing the ‘convenient’ thing (public school).
      Uncle Scam specializes in doing the ‘convenient’ thing. What kind of results does Uncle Scam typically get?
      Do the right thing while you can. Convenience is for people who don’t like to THINK.

    • UnPCdMOM

      You could try a prepackaged curriculum such as Calvert and just adapt it by adding your personal beliefs when you disagree with subject matter or feel it doesn’t go in depth enough. It has a step by step, lesson by lesson plan already written for the parent, textbooks, workbooks and online activities for the student. You could assist during evenings or other spare time with the language and proper pronunciation.
      In my state we also have ‘virtual’ schools, some with only exactly what is taught in the district but also others where the parents get to personally choose each book/lab/etc and the group that oversees ‘family choice education’ pays for those items (my state = approximately $1200- per student per yesr. While I teach at home, the child reports weekly to a certified advising teacher, there are monthly progress reports due by the parent and mandatory testing once a year. Also forms that must be filed with local school district regarding homeschooling or district release.
      There are many homeschool coops and other organizations. Check your state for laws, rules and testing requirements. Check SOON! Knowledge is power!

      • Tanya

        Just be aware that charter and “virtual” school programs are public schools. It’s technically not homeschooling. I know a lot of people get funding for their homeschooling that way, but I’m personally opposed to it because it forces others to pay for your homeschooling.

        Homeschooling doesn’t have to be expensive. There are tons of curriculum options out there in every price range. A lot of people start with a pre-packaged curriculum and as they find what works for them they take a more eclectic approach. Some just live life with their kids and completely unschool, teaching concepts as they come up in everyday life. I need a little more structure for myself, but I applaud those who can do it. My teenagers are now completely self-directed.

        There are some great computer-based curriculums available that can free up some time for busy parents. I used Switched on Schoolhouse one year when I had a new baby and I was very happy with it. Alpha Omega is another option. Time4learning is an online subscription program that actually has some great stuff for preschoolers. I use the computer for the stuff I’m not great at teaching and save my time to read aloud to them and teach what I love. I can’t say enough about Teaching Textbooks for math.

        If you spend some time looking around, you will be amazed at the options that are out there. These days it’s not a problem of finding curriculum, it’s the problem of making up your mind what to use!

    • moonbeam

      Excuses, excuses, excuses!

    • KJQ

      I strongly suggest that you home educate your children. My wife has stayed home with our sons while I work full time. We have fewer ‘comforts’ than some families with both parents working, but what value do we place on good relationships with our children and their ability to think for themselves. Schools teach what to think, home educated people are taught how to think.

      My wife didn’t even finish high school, but that has not stopped our sons from excelling. All of the studies show home educated people with the lowest level of educated parents still far outperform those in public or private school. One of the big differences, even in the earlier years, is that home educated children do a lot of thinking and work on their own. Yes, the younger ones need more supervision and guidance. There are so many resources now from full curriculum including tests and diplomas to general reference books. Pick what you are most comfortable with. We’ve used mostly curriculum with teacher guides, student workbooks and tests. Some with DVD for more complex things (e.g. math, science).

      Give it a try. You won’t be disappointed.

    • KaosMethod

      I appreciate all the replies. I will definitely use your suggestions.

  • Helen2

    Two of my children are in their mid thirties and the other is in her mid forties. I homeschooled all of them. In addition, I substituted for other homeschooling moms when they were having a baby, or were ill. There isn’t one of the children who are not doing well in life today. Their SAT scores were all in the upper 90% of the scores. Like Mr. Root’s children, they were working on a grade level far above what their peers in school were. One of the kids I helped teach even went to Yale. My kids wanted to go to work instead of college. The two youngest currently have excellent jobs. My son was made Shift Supervisor at the age of 19 – the youngest ever in the company. My daughter writes technical manuals for the aircraft industry. The manuals she writes are used by the mechanics on how to take an engine apart and put it back together. The oldest daughter though is disabled, but is homeschooling her daughter. My oldest granddaughter who was homeschooled, is currently homeschooling her children.

    And Jeanine, it’s not because they were gifted. It’s because the classes are smaller, we taught things they were excited to learn. And we actually taught academics instead of self esteem and other things like that. Our mantra was; school is not for being socialized, it is about reading, writing and math, as well as history, geography and science. And we even had a class on the constitution!

    One of the boys I taught, was actually failing in public school and both his parents worked. He was a friend of my son’s from church. They begged me to help him and I did. At the end of the first year, he had gone from being behind three grade levels in everything to being four levels above his grade level. Someone who the public school teachers said would never amount to anything, today has a good job and he and his wife are ministering to kids in the foster care system.

    And all this was not because I had been to college and had a degree. I never went to college, but I did make sure I was well educated (to keep ahead of my students).

  • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

    All three of my children were educated in the public school system all three received a great education.One is a Nurse;one is studying overseas and one is in her last year of high school.My last child has a learning disability the teachers could not have been better through out her whole public school career.I and my wife were involved parents the wife was a stay at home mom. home schooling is a good idea my middle child was home schooled 8 month’s her last year in middle school.Mr Root is just a cheerleader for the anti union,anti middle class sector of America Society.

    • Helen2

      Sir, while I respect you for the time you served your country, you are totally off about homeschooling parents. We are not anti union anti middle class. We are pro children. We wanted to ensure our children got an excellent education that didn’t entail political correctness. Maybe the school system in your place of abode is a good school, but the majority of the public schools are wrapped up in socialing, and feeling good instead of the basics of a good education. In addition, they have too many children in each class and the ones who have problems get forgotten and begin failing.

      • moonbeam

        Helen2, you are a POINT OF LIGHT! Shine on, girlfriend, shine on!!!!

    • DaveH

      Government now takes 44% of our country’s GDP. Does anybody, who understands human nature, think they will stop there?
      So almost half of our productivity is now taken by Government. What constitutes a Slave, half of our labor, 5/8 of our labor, 3/4 of our labor? If we let them go any further, do you think they will show mercy when we decide they’ve taken enough? Do you think their paid-mercenaries will care about stepping on you to please their bosses?
      Some of you might think good soldiers would not fire on their own countrymen. And maybe many of them wouldn’t, but that’s no obstacle. Government would just bring in soldiers from France or Germany or some other country where they not only don’t care about stepping on us, but might actually enjoy it after years of hating the United States for its meddling with their country’s politics.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      If all things as so good for you why are you even commenting. Apparently you have been lying to yourself all along and feel guilty.

    • s c

      I admit it. I’ve had enough of you. If you’re not a poser, you might as well be. Second, you can take your utopian rhetoric and STICK IT wherever it feels best (don’t want you to feel deprived, comrade). Last, when it comes to education, maybe you should be a fricking czar. That’s about your level. Whiz off. You’ve got a loser god in the W H, and he’s got a dumbed-down utopian for a follower.

    • DaveH

      And by the way, sgt, the middle class is shrinking (if at all) because Big Government encourages sloth by supporting people (with other peoples’ money) who do nothing but vote for the right (more like left) politician, and Big Government supports their Crony Capitalists with favored regulations, tariffs, quotas, and outright subsidies, at the expense of their competitors, their customers, and the taxpayers.
      Big Government plays their military state propaganda against one group, and their welfare state propaganda against another group. Their left/right tag team sucks the wealth from the rest of us.

    • Sue

      My husband and I homeschooled our children (see my post above) and we are SQUARELY middle class. As a matter of fact ALL of the homeschool families I know personally are either middle class or below. It cost NOTHING to homeschool your kids. My husband and I both worked full time jobs, raised and homeschooled all 4 of our children. They all went to college on scholorships. THAT’S how the middle class can afford college!!!!

      As far as anti-union…well, what has the teacher’s union done for any student? Nothing, that’s what. It’s all about protecting the teacher’s salaries, benifits and perks – which is fine – but let’s not confuse ourselves about exactly what and who the teacher’s unions are really for.

    • Dr. smith

      “Mr Root is just a cheerleader for the anti union,anti middle class sector of America Society.”

      wrong, the middle class is not represented by teacher’s unions, unions are ruffly 11% of society. look up your facts before spouting your ignorance. 2nd. unions destroy, look at GM and the car industry. 3rd. homeschoolers as a group perform 30 percentiles points above public schooled peers. you can’t take 40 children and teach them all at the same speed, period. you must of smoked too much gangee in NAm.

  • DaveH

    We need Not just School Choice, but Educational Choice. Learn the difference. Your child’s education depends on that. Get Government out of the education of our children. They have proven to be inept at everything they do. Why would anybody think they know what’s best for our children?

    • Robert Smith

      DaveH asks: “Why would anybody think they know what’s best for our children?”

      At least they know that the earth is more than 6,000 years old.


      • DaveH

        Surely you know by now that I’m Atheist, Robert?
        At any rate what does your comment have to do with the discussion?
        Speaking of unfounded beliefs, the Progressive belief system relies on Big Government which has been proven be destructive to economies throughout history and in today’s world. Yet, you Liberals continue to cling to it.
        I’d rather be with people who believe in a 6,000 year old Earth, than to be with Liberals who believe my earnings should be theirs to divvy up as they please.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Wayne Congratulations on your children and I totally agree with you. We brought our children up in a Christian school because it was the thing to do back then and they turned out well, but if I had to do it over again we would home school. For thirteen years we were involved in a ministry to send young people on missions around the world. We could almost always know those that had been home schooled because they knew how to work and had been taught manners. I would encourage all parents to home school as you know better than government what is best for you and your children. Proverbs 22:6 tells it all.

  • TN Mom

    The education that our physicists, engineers, astronauts received that got us to the moon with “just” a public school education is NOT the same as today’s public school “education”. You are trying to compare apples to oranges!!

    • NC

      TN MOM, there is still an awful lot of hi tech stuff being invented and made in this country today and I dare say they are all home schooled or private schooled people who are involved. One draw back of home schooling is that it’s a cloning of todays parents. A lot of whom are religious nuts who are afraid of their children being exposed to “sinners” so they keep them at home and make ‘POSTAL” killers and other social misfits out of them! Maybe
      a little more exposure to the out side world would have benefited them greatly. My work brought me in contact with some very strange homeschooling parents!!!!
      My three children went to public schools and graduated from college! One is a quite conservative politically. one is a liberal and the other is a moderate with a Mexican wife who works three jobs and speaks four languages.All appear to be happily married> I was a school teacher before they were born and I am 100% certain that they are are much better off having been “schooled” wth their peers than at home by me and/or their loving mother.

      • DaveH

        So much Conjecture, NC, so little fact.
        Of course there are still innovative people in this country. If somebody is standing on your chest, you can still breathe too, but does that make it right?
        And I’ll tell you what, NC, I would take the cloning of Religious People (me being Atheist) over the cloning of Liberals any day of the week.
        Your comment about Postal Killers was way over the top, NC, even for an ignorant Liberal.
        You were a Teacher, NC? OMG, one more reason for Home Schooling.

        • NC

          DaveH, what percentage of home schooled kids would you say are home schooled for “religious reasons”? For “racial biased reasons”?For “Government biased” reasons? Biases, not of the children but of the parents. What chance do the children have to be somthing different if they don’t know there is something different? If their education “process” is designed to shelter them from what the parent hates not what they hate or even know?
          I am as close to being antheist as anyone but I never once told my children they should shun religion or not attend church. I fact I attended church with them on occasion.I never once told them they should be of any political belief. My parents left it to me to decide and I felt that I should do the same for my children.My conservative son and I have hunted together over years yet we have very different opinions about the 2nd amendment and other political matters when we visit in each others homes. That is usually just before we hug good bye and express the fact that we love each other very much!
          Personally I believe very much like Martin Luther.”I would rather be governed by a competent Turk(Muslim) than an incompetent Christian.” I just live through 8 years of an incompetent “Christian”(?) from Crawford!!Not real good!!WE can do better with a little help! In fact things are getting some better with no help. Better, Except for some folks who see nothing but doom and destruction in our future but can’t escape the fact they can’t name a better place to live?? NEVER GIVE UP THE SHIP UNTIL YOUR A$$ HITS THE WATER!!!AND REPAIR THE LEAK REGARDLESS OF THE COST. It’s a little too late to build another ship!!Especially with a captain who has only 13% of the “tools” needed for the job!

          • DaveH

            You’re grasping at straws, NC. Those parents will teach their children religion whether they send them to Public School or not. And it’s none of your business what they teach them. You try to tell me you’re not meddlesome, yet you advocate for Big Government, which is Force, and is just people, to meddle in other peoples’ lives. Do you somehow think since you just “vote” for them, that you aren’t part of the Force machine of Government?

          • DaveH

            It amazes me how pushy controlling people, like NC, can convince themselves that they’re tolerant human beings.

  • Thinking About

    My first comment to Root, why not provide their Harvard education from home also. We have too large of a number with their glass being half full which prevents them from seeing the full horizon so they only see a small portion and try to explain to every one else their opinion is the best and results in condeming those who has a half full glass. have observed on both sides of home schooling and public schooling. I doubt there has ever been a true study on the outcome of each. If parents would be as involved in public schooled I am sure there would be many successful students. Thinking public schools indoctrinate our children would not be any different than home schooling indoctrinating their own children

    • s c

      T, your comments show that you see no difference between having an opinion and knowing what you’re talking about. College and university ‘recruiters’ seek out homeschooled kids. They DO NOT seek out public school grads.
      Why do you seek refuge in acting like a political fence-sitter? Homeschooled kids are taught by a PARENT. Kids in public schools are taught by government bureaucrats. Do you understand the difference?
      Consider becoming a politician, and leave education to those who have at least one foot on the ground.
      Kids can have a) a good education via being homeschooled or they can have b) a poor education and get indoctrinated at the hands of those who should be digging ditches.
      Are you an Obummer shill? Do you give a damn, or have you sold your arse because the ends justify the means? Choose, mac. By the way, you forgot to mention the FACT that American schools are documented to be INFERIOR to schools around the world. Perhaps you need to spend less time in that cave, bud.

      • Thinking about

        sc now you don’t know what you are talking about, universities also seek students educated in public schools. Maybe this is a surprise to you and I am happy to provide this information to you. Enjoy

        • DaveH

          If you’re going to tell somebody they’re wrong, TA, the least you could do is supply some references to back up your conjecture.

    • moonbeam

      Sorry, Thinking About. You are not seeing the forest for the trees. With a Harvard education, Dakota has “Paper”. She will get hired for a job faster than someone with just a community college education or an education received online.

      What is it with people hating on a man who was intuitive enough to educate his children properly? I don’t get it.

      • Thinking about

        I don’t hate those who home school and very well understand getting paper from Harvard, my point if home schooling was so great for their children then it should be continued for further training.

        • DaveH

          To compare Harvard to Public Schools is a non-sequitur, TA. They are two completely different environments.

    • DaveH

      The difference, TA, one is voluntary, the other is not.
      You know, TA, Voluntary, Free Choice, that concept you Liberals seem to know nothing about.
      This study indicates Home-Schooled Students perform better than Public School Students:

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        And this from a website that considers the U.S. Department of Education to be “unbiased”. Really? Maybe that was said tongue-in-cheek.:

      • Thinking about

        There are failures in both no matter what study can be displayed. Whose choice is it, the parents or the kids. Again, if parents was involved in students who are in public schools those will probably be more successful. As stated in the first post some are just gifted.

        • DaveH

          Obviously the kids don’t know what’s best for them.
          And given that Liberals advocate Big Government which has been proven by experience to be a failure throughout history, Liberals don’t either.
          It is none of your business, TA, what choices the parents make.

  • http://yahoo scout

    Won’t be long you’ll be able to run for president with a third grade education. The dumbing down of America. It has already happened. Just look at our diet.We are a nation of fat slobs that can’t think.

  • fbl

    I have been mentoring homeschoolers for over ten years. I started with my nephew who was going to be permanently incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital. He was 14. The authorities allowed him to leave MD because I have a MA in Guidance & Counseling-no, no teaching credentials.

    Several things became quite obvious to me. He had vision problems which required therapy with a Behavioral Optometrist, a head/neck problem that required a specialized Chiropractor and then major diet changes and vitamins/minerals.

    Since my start I have schooled several other children, some of whom spoke no English. I also tried several different homeschool programs and have wound up with the Robinson’s Curriculum. It is flexible and can be used for any child-at any age. It is also cheap!

    Most of the children I have worked with have been about 16. A couple months ago I started schooling a 16yo who couldn’t even read at the 2nd grade level and could not write longhand. His printing was illegible. We have come a long way and he is now at the 4th grade level.

    Anybody can homeschool their children. One family runs a fishing boat in Alaska and couldn’t figure out how to school as their children were needed to work on the boat. We figured it out and the kids are doing great.

    If anybody need help they can contact me through the Robinson’s Curriculum. Just leave a post and I will answer it. No, I do NOT charge for my assistance. Schooling children has been my mission for many years.

    • moonbeam

      Many, many blessings to you fbl!

      • DaveH


  • Independant Observer

    As a parent who was unable to homeschool my children, I still home schooled when we were together. Home schooling begins as soon as the child can talk teaching children to be responsible, respectful, and resourceful. Teaching children to read and learn before turning on a TV is recommended, too. There are so many learning opportunities within the home most parents fail to utilize. I, too, worked full time, but made it a point to be involved knowing what was being taught in the school system and sometimes challenging their book material.

    What I find most disturbing is children are being indoctrinated what to think, but not how to be a critical thinker. In reading “The Leipzig Connection” by Lionni, an understanding of the public indoctrination system was made clear.

    By the way, a school superintendent once mentioned to me teaching students to write cursive is no longer necessary. Hard to believe until a bank teller related a teen could not write his name in cursive on a bank document – said he didn’t learn that in school.

    Parents, we owe it to our selves to teach our children because they are our children first! Whose values do we want our children to learn and demonstrate to others? Work together and find like-minded parents because no one can be as crazy for our kids like us. We may be amazed of how much we know and are able to teach with home schooling materials.

    • DaveH

      I can’t write cursive either, Independent. After years of printing on programming sheets, I just became more comfortable with printing, and about all I can write is my signature.
      I can still type at blazing speed, though, for an old fart.

  • FreedomFighter

    If you dont have what it takes to home school:

    A good Christian School is a viable option.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • NC

      FF, how about a GOOD non-Christain school like Jesus attended while he was still telling everyone he was the Jewish Messiah. I believe they called them synagogues!! This was before the Romans borrowed him ,changed his name and made him famous! A man with a great message of love and peace before his “followers” statred torturing the message to fit their human beliefs that only they knew what he really meant. See a different church on every corner in every town which has the ONLY TRUE MESSAGE WITH many more to come when their mortgage goes through!

      • DaveH

        This coming from a guy who believes in forcing people to do things they don’t want to do; from a guy who has no pangs of conscience when he spends other peoples’ money.

  • HarryButtle

    Studies have shown that home-schooled kids do great at the grade school level, average at the middle school level and below average at the high school level. Once the school rankings from backward and underfunded states are factored out, US public school education is quite good. Former First Lady Barbara Bush explained it in an op-ed piece in the Houston Chronicle about the disgraceful Rick Perry attempt to destroy public education in Texas:

    We Can’t Afford to Cut Education

    As Mrs Bush explains, the very policies you advocate here are the cause of the apparent decline in education.

    Then there’s this problem with private schools:

    We don’t need no education: How to get a diploma in eight days for $399

    Then there’s the inevitable denial of science and indisputable historical fact that comes from some religious schools. It’s a god-awful mess you advocate here.

    • s c

      H, you have not a clue. 1957 is long gone (when Uncle Scam got into ‘education’). It has been sinking into the toilet ever since.
      Washington is full of public school losers. Their biggest cheerleaders are in the White House. Follow retards, and become retards. Homeschool, private school or church school. _____ public school and every retard who thinks it serves a purpose.

    • DaveH

      Spare us, Harry. Here’s some reality:

      The Liberals talk a good show. That’s all. Experience trumps jawboning every time.

  • Tom W.

    In my humble opinion, there is absolutely no reason on earth why we don’t have the best education system in the whole wide world!!! Public, private, whatever! It surely can’t be lack of funds. We need to be able to fire teachers who aren’t performing! And we should be paying our teachers on a performance scale!!! I don’t care how long that they’ve been employed by the school board, if you’re not performing, you gotta go!
    I also don’t think that the entertainment industry gets their fair share of the blame, and parents receive too much blame for our failed system. I’m well aware that there are exceptions to the rule, but our children are not encouraged to succeed but rather to fail! I don’t know where we should start to change things, but we need to start somewhere!!!

    • DaveH

      Educational Choice is where we should start. Let the Parents or their Children (if old enough) decide for themselves what to learn and where.

  • Mary Ann Martorana

    Most of our public schools are a mess. I didn’t send my child to one and my grandson isn’t going to public school either. If you live in a very affluent community the public schools may be good, but for those of us of average means or below, that is generally not the case. My sister was a special education teacher in a public high school who was very dedicated. I watched as she struggled with idiot bean counters and short-sighted public policy makers on behalf of her kids. It was a losing battle. She retired frustrated and exhausted and died not long after. I do believe in the concept of public education but not in this system which is dedicated to creating a permanent underclass and producing mindless wage slaves.

  • Michael Willemsen

    What do you do when parents say they are home-schooling their children and really are not schooling them at all? Ignore the problem and let the children grow up illiterate? Establish and enforce government standards for subject matter and performance? Put the children in a foster home?

    • Christa

      “It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent’s refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father.” -Thomas Jefferson

      • Michael Willemsen

        I hate to disagree with Jefferson. But his statement, and some others in this blog, speak only of the rights of the parents, and not of the rights of the children.

    • Jay

      Clever, yet faulty argument. The same argument that is applied to bully people into accepting, Gun-Control-legislation; Because some may be irresponsible, the whole should be controlled!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So how is that any concern of yours? If they want to be ignorant slobs that is their choice.

      • Bill

        It becomes our business when someone, for whatever reason, becomes a burden on the “State” since we, the taxpayers, end up paying for them. So to a degree, it si in our (the taxpayer) interest to try to help as many children become productive contributors to society rather than burdens or takers.

        • Jay

          What about the burdens, and takers produced by the education system?

        • DaveH

          You see how that works, Folks?
          First the Liberals give you a gift (insurance by the Government) that you didn’t ask for (paid for with your own money), and then when you want your Freedom they say you can’t have it because you will be a burden on them if something goes wrong. Quite a neat little game the Liberals play.
          They are only a “burden” to the state, Bill, because Liberals created the condition that forces people to pay for other peoples’ mistakes. By doing that they create a “moral hazard”, meaning that the Liberals have incentivized people to behave slothfully or carelessly as somebody other than themselves will pay the bill for their mistakes.

        • Jay

          It should be self-evident, even to the casual observer, that our education system does not teach our progeny, how to think, but rather, what to think!

      • Michael Willemsen

        The children don’t want to be ignorant slobs.

  • http://none Ben

    Seventeen of our nineteen grandchildren have been or are being home schooled. Our oldest grandchild is 19 attending college and plays on the school’s girl basketball team with no educational or social problems. Our second oldest granddaughter passed her high school equivalency exam, administered by the state, at the age of 16. All the others are now being home schooled or entered private schools at the 6th or 9th grade. In every case, within two years of starting home schooling they were tested to be well ahead of the public schools both in scores and grade level and continued this pace after they entered private schools. Each of their parents take the time to visit historic spots all over the U.S. so their children can see the actual spots where history was made. Most are involved in various music programs and have been equally advancing above public school children.

    The most important aspect related to home schooling is the fact that they learn self-discipline and how to be responsible for chores within the homes each and every day. (This makes up for the time the parents spend in the home schooling process.)

    There is no other way to really educate children. Not only that, parents have complete control over what they are taught.


    • Jay

      Congratulations to you, and your family, Ben. Keep up the good work!!!

  • Jay

    A little background, of the the roots, and origin of our Education system.

    The General Education Board started by John D. Rockefeller Sr. in 1902– “In Raymond Fosdick’s memorial history of the Board, he indicates that it was part of John D. Rockefeller Jr’s effort toward “this goal of social control.” [as cited in Research Manual: America 2000/Goals 2000, p. 54] The Rockefeller Foundation History also states: 1923…John D. Rockefeller, Jr., creates the International Education Board in 1923 with $20 million to promote education abroad, a parallel effort to the U.S. General Education Board.”

    The RF History also adds this important information about the activities of the Rockefellers: .”..The American Council of Learned Societies, which from the beginning derived most of its support from the General Education Board and then from RF, receives the first of many additional grants to support fellowships in humanistic studies….Beginning in 1933 and extending for more than 20 years, RF expends $1.5 million in identifying and assisting 300 scientists and scholars from Nazi Germany to settle in friendly locations; many relocate to U.S. universities.

    1936…Raymond B. Fosdick becomes president of RF and serves until 1948…1948…Dr. Albert C. Kinsey, professor of zoology at Indiana University, publishes Sexual Behavior in the Human Male-popularly called the “Kinsey Report.” Kinsey received his first RF support in 1946…1971…RF funds the Population Council’s newly established International Committee for Contraceptive Research to develop and test new methods of fertility control….

    In 1962 Edith Roosevelt, writing about the “Universal Theocratic State” stated, “Curriculum is being drafted to indoctrinate our children in what “John D. Rockefeller Jr. calls ‘the church of all people.’…Plans are being made to set up regional World Universities whose objectives would include ‘to instruct in all religious but will not make religion it’s aim,’ ‘build a world outlook’ and teach the physiological , psychological and spiritual aspect of sex.’…

    On July 31, 1962 Dwight D. Eisenhower endorsed setting up a World University to provide ‘World Thinkers’ to funnel into the United Nations….Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara is a sponsor of the Temple of Understanding, the $5,000,000 “Spiritual UN’ for the six major faiths…UN official lecture at meetings of the Arcane School, the international ‘group of New World Servers’, who form ‘Triangles’ to work for UNESCO.” These were established by occultist Alice Bailey’s Lucis Trust, which was to be affiliated with the U.N. Meditation Room.

    UNESCO 11– The first director -general of UNESCO (1946-48) was Sir Julian Huxley, an ardent defender of Darwin’s evolution, and who wrote the 1948, “UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy.” “The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a scientific world humanism, global in extent and evolutionary in background…its education program it can stress the ultimate need for world political unity and familiarize all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization…

    Political unification in some sort of world government will be required…Tasks for the media division of UNESCO (will be) to promote the growth of a common outlook shared by all nations and cultures…to help the emergence of a single world culture….Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”


  • Jay

    The Education Mafia

    When Dewey came to Columbia in 1904, at the invitation of James McKeen Cattell, the university and its Teachers College became the undisputed training center for the new scientifically based “progressive” education. Its graduates fanned out across America to become deans and professors at other teachers colleges and superintendents of entire public school systems. Their loyalty to their mentors was demonstrated by how well they implemented their teachings in the schools of America. Among the alumni were Elwood P. Cubberly, George D. Strayer, George H. Betts, Edward C. Elliott, Walter A. Jessup, William H. Kilpatrick, Bruce R. Payne, David S. Snedden, Lotus D. Coffman.

    Cubberly became dean of the School of Education at Stanford; Strayer, professor at Teachers College and president of the NEA in 1918-19; Betts, professor of education at Northwestern; Elliott, president of Purdue; Jessup, president of the University of Iowa and president of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching; Kilpatrick, professor at Teachers College and a founder of Bennington College; Payne, president of George Peabody College in Nashville; Snedden, Massachusetts State Commissioner of Education; Coffman, dean of the College of Education at the University of Minnesota, and later the university’s president.

    These were just a few of the men who created a network of control and influence that was to change the face of public education in America. David Tyack, in his revealing book, Managers of Virtue, describes the tremendous power the network was able to wield:

    Networks resist definition. The word itself is a metaphor for a connecting web with much open space. As we use the term here, we mean an informal association of individuals who occupied influential positions (usually in university education departments or schools, as policy analysts or researchers in foundations, and as key superintendents), who shared common purposes (to solve social and economic problems by educational means through “scientific” diagnosis and prescription), who had common interests in furthering their own careers, and who had come to know one another mostly through face-to-face interactions and through their similar writing and research. They controlled important resources: money, the creation of reputations, the placement of students and friends, the training of subordinates and future leaders, and influences over professional associations and public legislative and administrative bodies.
    The education mafia became known as the “Educational Trust” and they held annual meetings under an umbrella called the Cleveland Conference, named thus because the first conference had been held in Cleveland in 1915.

  • Maggie

    There is a sister program to Every Child Left Behind that deals with our children’s economic future. It is called NO CHILD LEFT A DIME.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Thank God I went to school in the “good old days.” And thank God I sent my kids to Lutheran schools.

  • Thinking about

    I agree, I learned social skills in interactin with those from different homes and have used those skills in my every day life. I also learned from my parents, it was not left to the public schools to provide all my education.

  • joe jones

    It’s insane that public schools keep 1 curriculum for each child depending on age. I believe this intentional dumbing down to keep the elite on top. I happen to know that well to do people DO NOT use the public school system EVER! The fact is that some can exceed and some cannot. The current ed. system is is a total failure to those who are capable of excel learning.

    • MindOpenWhy

      Joe Jones said:

      “It’s insane that public schools keep 1 curriculum for each child depending on age.”

      Joe this is blatantly false. As a child I attended public education and I like many other children had an IEP (Individual Education Plan) that was tailored to my specific needs. My children attend public school and the same is true. My wife, who works as a special education teacher, would especially take issue with this comment. Imagine having to develop, maintain and implement IEPs for 30 different children with varying needs. My wife does this every day. Dedicated teachers in her district, the district I grew up in, and the district my children attend do this every day.

      Certainly what you are saying may be the case in some schools, but if you provided specific examples or scientific studies to document and support what you are saying it would add some credibility.

      “I believe this intentional dumbing down to keep the elite on top.”

      Perhaps this happens in some schools it is certainly not characteristic of the education system as a whole. The federal government only has limited authority in determing the curriculum at the local level. Local school boards with input from both the educators and local citizens have much more control over this, and teachers in my experience still have some flexibility in the curriculum. No parent would be kept from attending classes at their school or keeping in close contact with their child’s teacher if they had concerns about this. Parents in succesfull public school districts are involved at this level and this plays a crucial role in keeping the schools accountable. If their is any dumbing down occuring it is due to a lack of parental involvement, which leads to less accountability, and if you have evidence that this is coming from the “top down” I would love to see it.

      “I happen to know that well to do people DO NOT use the public school system EVER!”

      You are claiming to have knowledge that is quite broad in scope. I know from first hand experience that what you are saying is FALSE. Many well to do people I know DO use the public school system and are quite pleased with the results.

      “The fact is that some can exceed and some cannot. The current ed. system is is a total failure to those who are capable of excel learning.”

      There are certainly many cases of failure and we should find acceptable solutions to address this. Saying the “system is a total failure” is false. I know many people who have attended public schools, send their children to public schools, or work in public schools who would argue based on their experience that this is not the case.

      While I don’t think exagerations of this nature are helpful, I’m glad to see you are passionate about this issue. Let’s hope that we, in our communities and as a nation, can come up with solutions that truly solve the actual problems facing our education system so that all can have a fair chance at a quality education.

  • Randall R.

    I loved your commentary but ironically, it was conducted in similar fashion to the way our kids “being left behind” would have done it. There were no sources shown concerning the data which means those who were excited about it don’t need it or expect it which is just as big a travesty as the subject you were speaking about. You, in essence, were demonstrating the worst in education practices while putting them down. My suggestion: do your homework and show your sources so your monologue can be considered not only credible, but repeatable by those of us who are judged by others who do are educated in these matters as well. Thanks.

  • Randall R.

    Typo: who are not who do are

  • MindOpenWhy

    Some are going to comment about how long my post is. It is what it is. But if we oversimplify this problem of “How do we make sure that all children in this country get a fair, quality education that gives them the best chance of success in this world” there is a good chance we will completely blow it, and sabotage the future. Complex problems require well thought out solutions.
    I work everyday with complex instruments used for chemical analysis. This by no means makes me an expert on “how to fix the American educational system”. But one thing is clear, and I encounter this everyday in my work – when people take something complex, oversimplify it and jump to conclusions, they tend to make a mess of things (and my job is to then sort it out and get things working again). I think that the whole argument of “Home School” vs. “Public School” vs. “Private School” is moot, and is being oversimplified both by the commentary in the video above and in many of the comments following. Oh, that and the media and politicians on both sides, just fuel the fire, and in my opinion, we as a country, because of our inability to have a calm, rational discussion about this are on the path to really screwing up our children’s education.Instead of just taking a serious look at what is working, and making genuine efforts to improve areas where things aren’t working, we seem to be heading down a perilous path that will lead to only further degradation of our education system as a whole. This is just my opinion, and of course I hope I turn out to be wrong.Any child’s success is going to depend on several factors – probably the most important of these is the parents’ level of involvement. Secondly is the teacher’s dedication and effectiveness. Social and economic considerations also play a big role. A child’s ability certainly plays a role, but it is the responsibility of all adults in society to make sure that all children have an opportunity for success regardless of the abilities they are born with, and regardless of the economic and social conditions they are born into.Simply put parents who are highly involved and concerned about their child’s success are more likely to home school their kids, esp. if they have the time and resources to do so.To put it another way virtually all home schooled children have parents who are highly involved and dedicated to their children’s success.Uninvolved parents aren’t going to home school their child that is probably a near certainty.I agree that home schooling is a great alternative, esp. if you are in a situation where the public school is failing to provide a quality education. I believe that communities and our government should empower families, and not hinder them if they are inclined to home school. But just because your experience is one thing does not mean it is the same for everyone else. Home schooling or private education is not always a good fit for everyone for a variety of reasons. It may not be financially viable, or parents may not agree with the ideological perspective of the private schools in their community. And frankly, too many children in this country are born into families where the parents just simply don’t care enough (or so it seems, who am I to judge the heart or intent of anyone?). But we as a society still need to take care of the educational needs of those children, do we not?This ideological point is a good one raised by many in regards to apparent bias in the public schools. I agree with many Christians on this point, but conversely we would probably disagree on the place of public prayer and other issues (I believe kids should be freely allowed to pray, or self organize, but have issues with any public official in a school setting making ‘official’ prayers in a public school setting).
    In regards to that, I pose the following question to my religiously conservative friends. Do you think it is possible for a school to provide a genuinely neutral educational experience? I think this is an important problem that maybe we as a society have not quite solved yet. It’s a tough question, but I think a very important question, but so important because we live in a society where many religious and non-religious views are held by members of our communities.If we are to have a publicly funded education system, I think it is fair to say that it should not promote or discriminate against a particular religious view (no easy task!). So this raises another question that I would have for those who do hold a Christian worldview: Can you conceive of a public education system that would be fair to both believers and non-believers? More specifically, what would public education need to offer for you, as a Christian parent to feel comfortable sending your child, while also respecting those who do not share your beliefs?If there are legitimate answers to these questions, I think they will only be solved when those with differing views (regarding religious belief) can sit down and civilly discuss them. I am curious to see what that solution would look like from the perspective of some of those who have commented here. But I’ve also already experienced it, in my opinion, in two ways – my public education was neither anti nor pro religion, and my children are also attending a public school that in my opinion is very respectful towards people of all sorts of beliefs. I was schooled in a rural, public school, as was my wife. While it was not a perfect solution, it was the best solution and I think provided the best outcome, in our situations.I don’t understand why arguments are made as if one solution will work for everyone. I think the direction of the public discourse needs to change towards a truly solution based approach for education.How can we truly meet the education needs of all the children in our communities while respecting the varied beliefs of their families, and also tackling the challenges of diverse economic conditions and varied levels of parental involvement? Is it reasonable to expect that home schooling or private education will work for all families in this country? Is this a solution that will work for everyone? What will the effect be if we take a ‘fend for yourself’ approach and neglect to provide a quality education to all? Home schooling works because parents that choose home schooling are highly involved and highly dedicated to their children’s success. Private schools typically have better success than many public schools because private schools typically have more financial resources than public schools AND private schools typically have a cohesive support system based in the local community. Some public schools do very well, and others struggle at providing a quality education, and often for these same reasons (more financial resources and strong community support). This notion that public schools are failing wholesale across the country is nonsense. We certainly have serious problems and should seriously look to address those problems. What public schooling attempts to do is provide the best opportunity to those who don’t have the opportunity, know how or privilege to either be home schooled or attend private school. Yet as a society, the question that bothers me is “What will our future look like if we fail to provide an affordable, yet effective, educational solution for those children who don’t have the opportunity to be home schooled or attend a quality private school? “If home schooling or private school isn’t an option for those children how do we meet the educational needs of those children, while also being fair and allowing families who want to home school or send their kids to a private school a fair opportunity to do so? It’s by no means an easy social problem to solve. But I firmly believe it is a social problem (meaning it is a problem that will impact the future quality of life for all of us if we fail to address it). I believe that families who want to send their children to private schools have a valid point when it comes to the double payment effect (i.e. if they do send their kids to private schools they are still paying taxes to support the local public school). I just wonder what will happen to many of the children from difficult family environments (poor, parents not involved, etc.) if we don’t make a good faith effort to improve public education? Is home schooling or private education truly a valid option for those families? Even with full voucher programs in effect, will private, profit oriented schools allow families who can’t meet the full cost (even with the voucher money) attend? What if we abandon the public education model, allowing everyone to decide where their money goes? What will the net effect be for those children who still won’t have an opportunity to be home schooled or go to a private school? Will there be a viable alternative to provide those children a quality education? Will voucher programs truly allow all children an opportunity to receive a quality education or will some children be left behind by this model? One question I ask myself is what things would have been like if voucher programs existed when I was attending school.Would there have been enough money, such that those wanting to opt out of public school, could have done so, while still having enough money left to support the local public school for families who still, even with vouchers, couldn’t afford the private school or didn’t want to send their child to one? What will the future look like if we abandon public school altogether?In both my case and my wife’s case, we were able to become upwardly mobile, in large part because of quality public education. Here’s all I am saying.Home schooling is great solution for those children whose parents are able to do it! Why? Because those parents are highly motivated and dedicated to their children’s success. So home schooling works for those children.Private school is also a great solution for those children whose parents are able to do it! Private schools succeed because a) they have greater financial resources but also because b) they have a strong community support aspect (often centered around a church or religious organization). No doubt these are good things.But what will the long term social impact be if we fail to ensure that all children, especially those in disadvantaged situations, do not receive a quality education? Can local communities come together and find real solutions that will provide the best outcome for all children?What do we do about economically disadvantaged communities? What solutions will truly allow those children the best chance at escaping a bad situation and finding success? Speaking for myself, and my wife, we definitely both had involved caring parents, and were fortunate enough to go to quality public schools, even though we lived in districts that were not the most economically advantaged. And neither one of us ended up “brainwashed” into any type of ideology. She is now a teacher working in an economically disadvantaged public school district, with a large non-English speaking population, dedicated to her profession, and definitely not overpaid. I’m a chemist. I have a lot of admiration for the teachers who taught me through the years (a lot more know that I am a mature adult, a lot less when I was a young lad!). Their dedication and hard work were definite contributors to my success.I don’t think we are anomalies of the public school system.I think that there are better ways forward but we won’t achieve them without genuine civil discussion.And that it may require us to think about things from more than just our own perspective.
    If this is truly the land of personal liberty we have to be willing to accept that people who believe differently than we do (no matter how much we disapprove of their belief) still deserve the same opportunities to succeed.
    And coming up with that type of solution is going to be hard work and will take a lot more patience and maturity than is currently being displayed here and elsewhere throughout the public discourse. I do have some level of expertise in what an immature discussion looks like being a father of a 3, 5 and 7 year old – name calling, bullheadedness, a stubborn disregard for anyone’s thoughts or feeling but their own, unwillingness to listen or consider the other person’s point of view, a stubborn insistence that only their way is the right way. Did I mention name calling? Yeah I know what that looks like… It unfortunately looks more like some of the comments you see on threads like this one, and less like what you would expect from adults.Thank goodness that many here and elsewhere do have the common decency to practice civility when it comes to such important topics!
    Often in my case the three less mature voices just all try to drown each other out…but through a lot of patience and calmness (when Mama and Papa Bear can manage it!) there is a pleasant calm after the storm.
    Here’s to hoping that voices of calm and reason and respect will drown out the less mature ones and that we can as a society find a solution that does right by all children and is worthy of this great country we live in.

  • Gene Berger

    The problem is that the public schools practice “no kid left behind “. When they should practice “no kid held back”!
    It all in the motivation! If we advanced the child to achieve his or her best, and reward the teacher for training and advancing the child, all the children would be better.

  • Jeanne Stanton

    Dear Mr. Root, About a year ago I received an Email that was info from you about the history of Obama. Since then I have received the info about Obama’s birth certificate, no, not Hawaiian, birth. I
    wanted to send this info to Donald Trump but I don’d have anyway to get it to him. I have tried. Obama was born August 4, 1961, 7:24PM in
    Mombasa, Kenya. I have a copy of the original birth certificate and
    would be willing to send you a copy if I knew where. I have been working with birth certificates for 40 years and I am convinced this is an original certified copy. Please get it into the right hands to
    save our country from ruin. Thank you, Jeanne Stanton

  • Rob Phillips

    We plan on putting our daughter through public school, but believe that the public school systems highly underestimate a child’s potential and subsequently teaches down to the level of expectation.

    Based on that line of thinking we’ve taken the initiative of starting our daughter’s formal education at home. At three years old she starting reading, and now at four years old she tests at a “six year old level” (by public school standards) and prefers books to toys as often as not. She’s also capable of basic addition and subtraction.

    Her memory and eagerness to learn are inspiring, and we’re glad we didn’t let her waste the best years of brain growth watching TV. : )

  • Truth Or Fantasy?

    And yet Catholic school enrollment is down. Go figure. Of course, someone will menion pervert priests. Public school has its perves too.

  • Kay

    to Nancy in Nebraska, that was my experience when I was in fourth grade. I was asked to read aloud which I had done before successfully. This particular time, I tripped over many words for some reason, and from that moment on I tried my best to remain invisible. I wouldn’t even try to answer when called on, I just said I didn’t know… Did this all the way through college somehow. When I was 30 I went back to community college for something that really meant a lot to me (psych nursing) and was on the dean’s list all the way through and received an AA degree after my BS degree 6 years earlier. I love your testimony!!! Bless you.


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