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Hey, What’s That Smell?

December 1, 2012 by  

Susan Rice? Whoopi Goldberg? Bill Clinton? Or is it just Yasir’s last meal? All this — plus — the Democrat Channel and Obama’s anatomy. Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Michael J.

    Susan Rice smothered in camel gravy is a treat not even dead terrorist could resist.

    Sandra Fluk has agreed to field testing a new line of products for Trojan. “If you do something you like, you never work a day in your life”.


      I always thought “ARAB SPRING” was a new soap that left you smelling like a wet camel.

      • pfbonney

        Good one, Jukebox.

      • http://naver samurai

        D’oh! :-) :-) :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “My only hope of salvation is in the infinate, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but his blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!”

        Benjamin Rush

    • mark

      Rice and Fluk are also deservedly celebrating President Obama’s historic reelection win over the forces of conservativsm and libertarianism. Congratulations to all three!

      • Michael J.

        Agreed, As a reward for his accomplishments, a tattoo of you on his forearm might be appropriate. Then he could refer to it as the mark of communism.

      • mark

        No, the mark of victory!

        • Tony Newbill

          Who Here would support Obama signing a Decree to suspend the US Constitution ?

      • JeffH

        Michael J, what would you get if “mark” was tatooed 3 times on Oman’s forearm? A tatoo of a hairlipped dogs bark…(mark, mark, mark)

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Mark said: “celebrating historic reelection win”?
        Mark, Get your facts right. STEALING is not “winning”.
        “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” – (I Samuel 24)

        Mark said: “No, the mark of victory!”
        Mark that was the MARK of the 666 – LIE, DECEPTION, FRAUD, TRICKERY, CHEATING, SMEAR – EVIL !!!

        When you, LIBTARDS, start to CALL A SPADE A SPADE and not put your lying commi faces on each your treachery.

        But we know that there is NOTHING new under the sun:
        “What has been will be again, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WILL BE DONE AGAIN; there is NOTHING NEW under the sun … It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.” (Ecclesiastes 1)

        And all you, WICKED, are warned:
        “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” (Mathew 10)


        “[H]e who pursues evil pursues it to his own death.” (Pr.11)

        Now, just shrug off the warnings and keep moving FORWARD to the hell. You have a “great leader”

        Good luck

        P.S. “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4)
        But you, LIBTARDS, are despising the TRUTH.

      • eddie47d

        Poor Alonda, mean in spirit and revengeful in thought! Then hiding behind God to peddle that hate and division. How appriopriate if you read Mark 3:24-25 If a kingdom is divided against itself that kingdom cannot stand.If a house is divided against itself that house will not be able to stand. Your name calling and self righteousness proves your attempt at dividing. Your as angry as the secessionists who are peddling that same division. Romans 12 : 17 Return evil for evil to No One.

      • Kate8

        eddie – Satan is expert at twisting God’s Word to his own ends, but defiles himself in so doing.

        So, what you are saying is that conservatives are responsible for the division? So…all we have to do is start seeing everything your way and we’ll all sing cumbaya?

        You just can’t handle the truth, can you.

      • Peter Sagi

        What’s that smell? It is the odor of hypocracy, from all the phuggers on here who tout their so-called “conservative” ideology but who never discuss the truth about socialistic insecurity and its relationship to the income tax, both of which are out of the Carl Marx playbook. What truth(s)? Try these: Socialistic insecurity is a huge Ponzi scheme … that is, a pyramid game where the current recipients are payed from the pockets of those currently paying in; there never was a trust fund … the funds collected via FICA and payroll taxes were always paid directly into the general treasury, so saith the 9 learned orangutans in the earliest of decisions upholding the Constitutionality of the program; that FICA and payroll tax are just that … taxes, plain and simple; that anything anyone gets out of socialistic insecurity is considered a welfare payment legally; that there are no guarantees whatsoever … Congress can raise or lower benefits at will, change retirement age, institute mandatory drug testing as a requirement, or even proctology exams at the hands of TSA agents as a prerequisite if they so desire; that it is your participation in socialistic insecurity/use of a socialist slavestate number on the job that incurs liability not only for FICA, payroll tax and Medicare tax but also federal income tax, state income tax, and local income tax … the latter two as a a result of a reciprocal taxing arrangement between the federal govt. and the states known as the Buck Act; that Obamacare is predicated upon participation in socialistic insecurity … no SSN use, no Obamacare, plain and simple; and the most important point … your participation in socialistic insecurity/use of a socialist slavestate number on the job or anywhere else is by law 100% voluntary. If you are forced to use an SSN on the job that is due to the policies of your employer and not any law. Don’t believe me, verify that with the slave enumeration bureau at ssa dot gov via email or even via snail mail for that matter.

        Not Obummer, not the RomNut, and not even Ron Paul mentioned that socialistic insecurity is voluntary and that it is your participation in same via “employment” that is allowing the federal govt. into your contract with your employer as a third party and thereby allowing them to stick their filthy hands in your pockets. Now as I see it, if a politician is not aware of the above relationship between the use of a socialist slavestate number on the job and the income tax, he or she is woefully negligent. I would say that ignorance on the part of a politician in or seeking high office is tantamount to criminal negligence. If a politician does know and understand and is remaining silent, he or she is therefore a co conspirator with what is probably the largest financial fraud in the history of planet Earth.
        And since not a one of them says diddly squat on the issue, they are all criminals, plain and simple.

        At root cause of the socialistic nonsense here in the US or at least real close to root causes is all of the FDR new deal crapola. The only way of digging out that ugly wart is to gouge it out at its root, and the place to start is with the socialist slavestate number … a law needs to be passed allowing for one time, official denumeration and part of the deal needs to be a full disclosure in plain language, both written and oral, anytime anyone anywhere for any reason asks for an SSN. Said disclosure needs to completely disclose all liabilities including tax liabilities, should be initialled off point by point, signed by both parties as well as three witnesses or a notary.

        To profess pro Constitution/”conservative” ideology and to not address socialistic insecurity, the socialist slavestate number, and/or the income tax is tantamount to playing in the sandbox.


      • Kate8

        Peter Sagi – Actually, this topic has been discussed before. The thing is, there are SO MANY issues that need to be addressed, and first we need to find some way to speak so DC will listen! I’m sure that you’ve noticed that they really aren’t interested in what we think.

        First things first. We have to get back control of the government. I’m not talking about Republican control, either. I’m talking about patriots restoring our Republic.

        Until we do that, we can speak about all kinds of wrongs which we’ve let happen by our apathy, but there is little we can do about it.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Well, here we go again.
        “The mouth of DUNCE pours forth foolishness.” (Proverbs 15)

        eddie47d(onkey), WHATa total incoherent NONSENSE. Just libtardic Mumbo Jumbo rants.
        As always you are with your nasty libtardicly brainwashed & twisted concept.

        You wrote: “revengeful in thought”. REVENGEFUL??? “REVENGE” what for?
        Please care to point your liberal finger at MY “REVENGEFULNESS”.

        The God’s Magic Book teaches me: “Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, ‘VENGEANCE is Mine, I will repay,’[a] – says the Lord.” (Romans 12:19)

        You pointed Romans 12:17. Why did not you read the next two verses – Romans 12:18-19?

        eddie47d(onkey), I am NOT “hiding behind God”. I am pointing at God’s TRUTH, but you, libtard, are “hiding behind” your master Satan methodology – LYING, TWISTING, BLAMING & ACCUSING.

        “He (Devil) was a murderer from the beginning, and does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

        And you, eddie47d(onkey), are speaking from your own stupid resources.

        You wrote: “your self-righteousness proves your attempt at dividing”. What disjointed illogical absurdity.

        eddie47d(onkey), again please care to cite where I claimed to be self-righteous.

        I TRUST God’s Word and It says “…as it is written: ‘There is NONE righteous, no, NOT ONE…” (Rom.3; Ps.14; 53)

        eddie47d(onkey), the last four years the country is divided as it was NEVER before thanks to your “unifier”, who so greatly “unified” white, blue & red America; same-genders; 47% & 49%; whites, blacks, Hispanics and others.

        Dear, please stop your incoherent NONSENSE and MEANINGLESS libtardic talking points.

        Do NOT waste space.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        eddie47d, afraid of Alondra quoting Bible verses. But your little group have been saying that the Book doesn’t say what it says and none of the words mean what they mean. But the reality is that the Book doesn’t keep silent even when your group tries not to discuss it you end up discussing it more than the rest of us.

      • eddie47d

        What a shame that Alondra continued with her hate filled diatribe. Yes Mark was a little cocky but you take the cake!. You proved my point about you being self-righteous and are about as humble as a mosquito trying to take a bite. If Mark become testy God will take care of him but I have no idea what He will do with you and your troublesome arrogance. 2 Timothy; You are a lover of yourself…self assuming,haughty,a blasphemer…unthankful without any natural affection,not open to agreement,a slander without self control..headstrong and puffed up with self pride. That is God speaking not me! When you head straight to the name calling “donkey” your shallowness is front and center. Making a phony claim that “stealing is not winning” shows your Revengeful spirit and that you are willing to lie to console your loss.

      • eddie47d

        Kate 8: I said Alonda is very divisive if you care to listen about whom I was talking about. You know really and truly listen to her comments instead of reacting to her hate with kindness. So that is the truth you need to be concerned about not some lame poke at me.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Kate8 and anyone else interested in reading David Greenfield’s Sultan Knish, Saturday 1 December 2012 article The Working Class and the Government Class. Extremely good reading.

      • Kate8

        eddie – To you, anyone who disagrees with liberalism is divisive.

        Alondra is speaking her truth. She has every right to do that, even if you find it offensive. God knows, the liberals on these threads are never offensive, right? (sarc off)

        The Bible speaks the truth about people, eddie. If you don’t like it, you need to take that up with someone higher than I.

      • Kate8

        Nadzieja – Thanks for the read. Good indeed.

        eddie and Jeff are part of the parasitic class. I guess it’s small comfort that a parasitic government can’t sustain itself forever…hopefully we won’t all die in the process. Guess it’s up to us whether we allow it to bleed us dry.

        This is yet another example of upside down thinking/liberalism. If the purpose of the NWO/Agenda 21 is to “prove” to us that we are unsustainable so we will accept their “noble solutions” (eugenics/genocide), then it looks like they’re doing a find job.

        Amazing the difference in how we look at things. Some see creating a world for everyone to enjoy…, abundance, unbound creativity and innovation, a thriving world filled with love, peace and promoting freedom for all based on common law…

        And others see a world of too many people, seeking to restrict the land and reduce our numbers through any means, taking away all freedom and creating misery for all but the select few at the top…and becoming a (very small) society of mindless slaves.

      • eddie47d

        What’s the matter Kate 8 you’ve lied about me before so why am I surprised about you still doing it. I could almost take every one of your words and make it sounds like you and Alondra are the craziest people on the planet. You’re bigger macho bullies than some men I’ve seen or heard of. I see you two have taken the Women’s Liberation Movement to heart and you don’t even know it.

      • sam1966

        Ah yes! Mark seems to be a little drunk on the kool aid today, but what else is new? Here is something that has the atheists worked up in California. I think that whoever did this did a good job of tying their panties in knots around their nads.

        I guess that they can’t take what they are dishing out in California. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves out Mark. Good posts Alondra, Kate 8, Jeff H., and other fellow patriots.

        “If we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catasrophe may overwhelm us that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”

        Daniel Webster

    • TimO

      Having to use up 3300 condoms is gonna make that hour a very tight squeeze She’ll probably supply the condoms for that hour out of her Obama stash. Maybe she can get her sex life entered as an Olympic sport. That way she could get condom manufacturers to sponsor her. Good luck to anybody trying to beat her $3000.00 worth a year.

      • Jeff

        I suspect you’re kidding and aren’t actually as ignorant as you pretend. But you do support what your Leader Fatbaugh had to say. First, birth control pills are not used like condoms (or oxycontin). You might ask a woman about this if you can get within 15 feet of one. Second, many women take birth control pills not for contraception but to prevent ovarian cancer. I believe that is the point Sandra Fluke was trying to make before Blabberbaugh made an even bigger ass of himself than he normally does.

      • Kate8

        Jeff – BC pills to prevent cancer? That is total BS. Quite the opposite.

        In any case, people should pay for their own notions on things like this. It’s like elective surgery…Your choice, you pay.

      • Kate8

        jeff – You can believe that kind of BS if you want. Every day you see studies making claims for pharmaceuticals, and for every one you see, there are others who say the opposite. There is no synthetic drug or hormone that is bio-compatible with the human body. The drug companies have 2 main agendas: huge profits and eugenics.

        People are wising up to this charade and are making other choices for their health. This has got Big Pharma in an attack mode to promote their system and discredit the natural health industry.

        It amazes me that you libs, who claim to be so opposed to large corporate greed, would support a medical industry that exists to serve the elite only. You have been conditioned to believe that it’s smart to turn your health care over to an industry that is based entirely on a false paradigm, false premise, rather than trusting yourself and relying on natural means which can only harmonize vibrationally with human physiology. These are the same people who are poisoning our air, food and water to make us sick, so they have a huge profit base.

        I have told you repeatedly why I do not want to be FORCED to sign up with a travesty such as Obamacare. You do not hear me. You are interested only in your own beliefs and in doing the bidding of those who employ you in treachery of your fellow Americans.

        You have no credibility whatsoever. You do not know enough to make a judgment about anything which would take away the right of choice of the rest of us. You, who claim to be so interested in choice…for things like abortion and the corruption of children… yet, wish to deny the choice of those who see things differently from you.

        • Jeff

          This is not new information. I know if it’s not in WND, it’s not real, but my wife was taking birth control for that purpose 20 years ago as she has ovarian cancer in her family. Sandra Fluke was trying to say this before she was drowned out by the mountain of BS from Fatbaugh and his acolytes.

      • Kate8

        Jeff – I don’t care what you believe about it. And just because someone has cancer in the family doesn’t mean they will get it. Despite the reports, cancer is not hereditary.

        The issue is, should I have to pay for someone else’s birth control. I say, absolutely not. I don’t care what the reasoning.

        Nobody pays for any of my needs, and I don’t ask them too.

      • sam1966

        I don’t believe in paying for someone else either Kate 8. I figure that she is not entitled to anything she hasn’t earned. If she wants these things, perverted woman, she should pay for them herself. Here is something new, but I am surprised to find this in a blue state.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity in acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.”

        Pennsylvania Supreme Court 1824
        Updegraph vs. Commonwealth

  • nc

    Hey Ben Crazy, did you forget that Daddy’s Boy Bush said that Arafat was not a terrorist but a man working for the best interest of his people! Look it up!

    • Michael J.

      Did you forget that over stepping his negotiation requests with the Right-Left Rothschild Party, is what got Arafat poisoned, and dead? Look it up!

      • nc

        Michael J., I’m not quite sure where to file this conspiracy theory on Arafats death! I have read so many here! Was this a part of the conspiracy made to make Obama President before he was even born? Or a sub level to the creation of the Fed years before it came to pass? Maybe it has something to do with the FEMA Camps or the dictatorship!

        There are depths of the human mind at work here that I never knew existed! Fortunately they never have that UREEEAKA moment when any of this happens!

      • Michael J.

        Let me break it down so even you will understand:
        I’m not sure = no clue = nc squared

    • http://Personallibertydigest Roland

      Hey stupid, he was looking out for his people! He did what is being done to the almighty ob’s people now!

      • Ted Crawford

        Arafat was a Saudi not a Palestinian!

      • eddie47d

        Arafat was born in Cairo,Egypt to Palestinian parents.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The palastinians are not unlike the Dems/Progs/Leftists in the US, they have to have their messiahs not unlike O so they had to have Arafat and anyone else that claims to be one.

      • alex

        there is no such thing as a palistanian they are arabs trying to steal israeli land

      • eddie47d

        Alex: That is like saying that Native Americans have no rights because they no longer control their original lands. Each side has an entitlement to Israel or at least a two country proposal.

      • Kate8

        Has anyone ever wondered why not one of the surrounding Islamic countries lifts one finger to help the Palestinians? All we hear is how Israel is responsible for their living conditions, how it’s up to them to take care of them, how they are supposed to give up their land…

        The Jews were given this tiny slice of land (which is of their origins) because it was a desolate desert where scarcely a soul resided. Israel developed a system to bring water to it and made it flourish, where it was nothing before.

        The Palestinians are mostly Jordanian. Why is it that no one wants them? Could it be because they serve a purpose… to garner world sympathy for the Muslims? Why is it allowed to remain a refugee camp, when wealthy, oil rich Muslim countries cover all but that infinitesimal slice of land that no one wanted before it became Israel?

        There’s more to this story, folks. Side with Israel, side with “Palestine”. They are both being used as pawns.

      • Deerinwater

        Excellent question Kate! Wish that I knew the answer.

        “The Centenary of the First Oil Well in the Middle East

        2008 marks the 100th anniversary of oil discovery at Masjid Sulaiman in southwest Iran (Persia), which ushered in a new era in the history of the Middle East. This is the story of the men who made this discovery…

        On 16 May 1908 a strong gas smell in the rock was noted. Reynolds kept on drilling, and on 26 May the well hit oil – the gusher shot more than 20 m above the rig. Reynolds, in high spirit, called for a camel courier and sent off a message to the telegraph office in Baghdad to inform his company: “I have the honour to report, that this morning at 4 a.m. oil was struck in the No.1 hole at a depth of 1180 feet.” Wilson, who had been sleeping close to the rig, also broke this important news to the British government but in a coded message so that clerks could not notice: “See Psalm 104 Verse 15 Third Sentence and Psalm 114 verse 8 second sentence.” Un-coded, the telegram read: “That he may bring out of the earth oil to make him a cheerful countenance … the flint stone into a springing well.”

        The following day, Well No. 1 was tested to flow about 297 barrels of oil a day. On 5 June, Well No. 2 at Masjid Sulaiman also hit oil at 1,010 feet – another gusher. ”

        Oil in Israel ?

        The first oil well ever?

        The history of the oil business as we know it began in 1859 in Pennsylvania, thanks to Edwin L. Drake, a career railroad conductor who devised a way to drill a practical oil well.

        Before Drake sank his first well in Titusville, Pennsylvania, people around the world had gathered oil for centuries around “seeps,” places where oil naturally rose to the surface and came out of the ground. The problem with collecting oil in that manner was that even productive areas didn’t yield large amounts of oil.

        In the 1850s, new types of machinery being produced increasingly needed oil for lubrication. And the main sources for oil at the time, whaling and collecting oil from seeps, couldn’t meet the demand. Someone had to find a way to extract oil from the ground.

        Edwin Drake Enters the Oil Business

        Edwin Drake had been born in 1819 in New York State, and as a young man had worked at various jobs before finding employment in 1850 as a railroad conductor. After about seven years of working on the railroad he retired due to ill health.

        A chance encounter with two men who happened to be the founders of a new company, The Seneca Oil Company, led to a new career for Drake.

        The executives, George H. Bissell and Jonathan G. Eveleth, needed someone to travel back and forth inspecting their operations in rural Pennsylvania, where they collected oil from seeps. And Drake, who was looking for work, seemed like the ideal candidate. Thanks for his former job as a railroad conductor, Drake could ride the trains for free.

        The First Oil Well Was Known as “Drake’s Folly”

      • sam1966

        Well said Alex and Kate 8! You just have to ignore ed-duh and NC (no cajones), for they care not for which path this country is taking. Here is something that tells about the real threat to America, which may be in conjunction with Obama bin Laden.

        Since Obama bin Laden has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, he may be helping them by destroying this country from the inside. Kind of like the 5th columners on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves the 5th columners out.

        “To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys… Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them.”

        Jedidiah Morse

  • Michael J.

    Jenifer’s flower has wilted. Tugging on the only string she has left available in search of a second 15 minutes of fame will net her nothing. Such is the bitter reality of becoming a worn out oportunist. Better off auditioning for the lead role in the upcomming XXX version of Gumby.

    • kathy c

      Laughing at all your replies. This one is especially good. Thanks for the laugh to start off the day. Not much to laugh about since November 6th.

      • Jeff

        Perhaps you could laugh about the new shooting of an unarmed Black kid in Florida by one of your gun nuts. In a gas station no less. Apparently the kid was sitting in an SUV with friends listening to music. I believe that crime now carries the death penalty in Florida.

      • phideaux

        Jeff perhaps you could provide a link we could use to find out about that. It has not made the news where i live.

      • Average Joe

        Yo Jef-fro…what the he!! did that have to do with either comment posted above you? Just ranting to see your name in print…or are you simply lost in the conversation? Try to stay on topic ( your rant was completely out in…LEFT field…..)

        A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
        Douglas Adams


      • Michael J.

        kathy c,
        Glad to oblige Miss, no better way to start the day than by cutting limp wristed, panty waist liberals to the bone and exposing them for what they are truly about.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Lori

        @ Jeff… Was the shooters gun supplied by President Obamas Fast and Furious Program??? Looks like his illegal gun sales to the wrong people have already killed alot of innocent people. Oh ya… thats the program we don’t talk about… never happened. Ignore it and it will disappear… regardless of how many were killed by it. Stick to the topics also… and quit making everything racial. I miss the Clinton days of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”… ;-)

      • Kate8

        Lori – Slam…bang…and knockout punch! Way to go!

      • eddie47d

        Phildeaux;That shooting happened 3 days ago in reference to what Jeff was saying.A man walked out of a Florida convenience store and didn’t like the music these kids were playing . He pulled out his gun because they wouldn’t turn the music down and shot 2 of them and one died.

      • Kate8

        Perhaps that person had had enough of rude, inconsiderate, savage young people who don’t give a rip about anyone else. I hate loud, obnoxious music, too.

        While there is no excuse for shooting anyone, this shooting would not have occurred had the kids been just a little bit respectful. Maybe kids should be taught to be more considerate instead of pushing people over the edge.

        I suspect this is more in the democrats ploy to justify gun confiscation. We’ve gotten so used to faked, orchestrated violence by the PTB to shove their plans down our throats. At the very least, they jump on every shooting to “prove” how we need to take away guns.

        • Jeff

          Yes, whenever I see someone potentially scary downtown (read: anyone young, male, and Black not wearing a Brooks Brothers suit), I immediately pull out my gun, shoot him down, and continue to my destination. That’ll teach him to listen to the wrong kind of music in MY presence. Self defense, my ass!

      • Average Joe

        As usual, you haven’t got a clue.Stop giving us “your” interpretation of the events….and let justice do it’s job.
        I live in Florida and according to local reports:

        MIAMI — In what could become another test of Florida’s broad self-defense law, a software developer charged with killing a Jacksonville teenager said he reached for his gun and fired eight rounds only after he was threatened with a shotgun.

        The suspect, Michael Dunn, 45, of Satellite Beach, was arrested Wednesday on charges of second-degree murder and attempted murder.

        Dunn told his lawyer that the victim, Jordan Davis, 17, who was parked at a convenience store in Jacksonville on Friday night with three other teenagers, pointed a shotgun at him through a partly rolled-down window, threatened to kill him and began to open the door. The shooting occurred after a dispute over loud music coming from the teenagers’ sport utility vehicle.

        Davis, a junior at a Jacksonville high school who had moved from Georgia two years ago to live with his father, died after being shot twice.

        The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said officers had not found a shotgun in the car.

        Dunn and his fiancee, Rhonda Rouer, fled the convenience store in his Volkswagen Jetta after the teenagers left because he was afraid they would return, his lawyer, Robin Lemonidis, said. He did not call the authorities; the police arrested him the next day, finding him because a witness noted his license plate number.

        The case has drawn parallels to the Trayvon Martin shooting because of the age and race of the victim, the fact that no weapon associated with the victim has been found, and Dunn’s self-defense claim. Lemonidis is considering using the state’s “stand your ground” law, which allows people who fear for their lives to retaliate with lethal force, as a defense.

        But she said the shooting bore no resemblance to the case of George Zimmerman, accused of second-degree murder in the death of Martin.

        “There is no racial motivation here whatsoever,” Lemonidis said. “He would have never, ever, in a million years pulled a gun if his life was not threatened. He saw a shotgun, and 4 inches of the barrel, and the guy said to him, ‘This is going down now’ and popped the door open.”

        She said the teens could have thrown the shotgun away.

        Ron Davis, Davis’ father, told CNN that his son, who recently got a job at McDonald’s, did not own guns and that the teenagers in the car had tried to flee when they saw Dunn’s gun. “He did something that there was no defense for,” Davis said of Dunn.

        The victim’s mother, Lucia McBath, said Davis had hoped to join the military. She said she did not view the shooting as a racial crime, despite the fact that her son is black and the suspect is white.

        Dunn, a gun collector who has a pilot’s license, was in Jacksonville for his son’s wedding last weekend. He had one drink at the reception and a glass of champagne before he left, his lawyer said. When he and Rouer stopped at the store for wine to take to the hotel, the teens were blasting music. He asked them to turn it down. At first they did, Lemonidis said. But then they turned the volume back up and began cursing him.

        When he saw the shotgun and heard the threat, Dunn reached into his glove compartment, unholstered his Taurus 9mm gun and fired two rounds into the back seat, and then two more, his lawyer said. As the car with the teens left, he feared they would try to shoot back, so he fired four more shots.

        He returned to the hotel, believing no one had been hurt. But the next morning, after learning a teenager had been killed, Dunn decided to turn himself in, but in Satellite Beach, about 170 miles away, where his neighbor has ties to law enforcement, Lemonidis said. He went to the neighbor’s home, and the police, already on their way, arrived to arrest him.

        [Last modified: Nov 29, 2012 09:12 PM]

        Pease note the following: “Dunn and his fiancee, Rhonda Rouer, fled the convenience store in his Volkswagen Jetta after the teenagers left because he was afraid they would return,”
        In other words, if there was a shotgun in the vehicle…they had plenty of time to get rid of if before being searched by police….because…. “they fled the scene”.


      • kathy c

        Jeff, from what part of my post were you able to infer that I’m a gun nut??????

      • sam1966

        Well said Lori. Just ignore Jeff as he was dropped on his head when he was born. His doctor had butter fingers. Here is something that all libs/protards ought to buy each other for Christmas.

        Maybe they’ll open up the bottle and drink what is inside. Michelle would probably love it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하거 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “I don’t know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is One Nation Under God.”

        George H. W. Bush

    • Mikey

      Good one Michael…..She could “do it” with Pokey!

      • Airangel

        @Jeff, he’s not our nut job so stop the rabbid attacks and grow up. Your lies are no better than the whored out media – this division is exactly what the Soros profiteers want… to create chaos so people give up their freedom and liberty in order for big Brother Government to take care of them as long as they’re loyal to the Crown! *sarcastic – Do you realize Big Pharma meds kill hundreds of thousands every year, the psychotic cocktails spark mentally unstable people. The Columbine shooter, Virginia Tech shooter, Giffords shooter – all on meds and mentally unstable – put blame where it belongs, people like you are part of the “HATE” problem!

      • Kate8

        Airangel – This I posted yesterday. There have been several reports coming out about this of late. Just bear this in mind when reading and responding to trolls:

        This just in from


        The FBI and the CIA are using trools to monitor ocial media and interact with users to discredit information diseminated on the web.

        The CIA provides training videos to new recruits on how to troll the internet. Once a target is locked in, the open-source information is obtained on the individual and they use any angle to discredit them in a public forum on social media sites and other sites. Software is used to sift through the mountians of users … and the open source center is where recruits and personnel are USED BY THE GOVERNMENT to troll and analyze websites for information pertinent to the objective the the US government. This means discrediting targets on certain websites.

        The also, as a tactic, use a “codename” when they want to discredit a topic, that is a signal for all trolls to go on the attack.

        Also bear in mind that one troll (one IP address) uses several names to make it seem like you are being attacked by many and he has a lot of agreement.

        • Tony Newbill

          be willing to be involved in debate with any and all and be on their list as doing such or be silenced !!!

        • Jeff

          Yes K8, the CIA and the FBI are working together to bring you down. But they can’t get you if your blogging is done from under the bed. It’s the protective power of linen.

          • Tony Newbill

            Heres some Info that exposes things in a Different Light , Obama should be brought before Congress and questioned extensively , this should have been the center piece of the election !!!!
            ht tp://

      • Kate8

        Airangel and Tony – You misunderstood my point.

        When I said to bear in mind who they are, it was not that we should fear them and not post. It is to be aware that they are paid, and trained to be nasty and spread disinfo. Arguing with them is an exercise in futility, because they are not going to hear a word you say. They have their talking points, and they are just mocking us.

        I get caught up in their provocateuring, too. It’s hard not too. But they are really just getting the response they’re after, and we have far better things to discuss among one another than to keep having the same inane debates with people who have no interest in real discourse.

        Their rules are to mock, malign, ridicule, refute… regardless of what we say. How often have you seen any of them confess a point well taken? NEVER. If we don’t say anything they can use, they just put words in our mouths. Case in point: their constant accusations of racism and hate.

        We give them exactly what they want, and they will continue to misconstrue and hurl nasty attacks at us regardless of what we say. We may as well be banging our heads against a wall, and it produces the same results (except a wall won’t attack you.)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Kate8, the idea is to let the Dems/Progs/Leftists or the trolls (the same bunch) keep talking and let them hang themselves with their own tongues. They do come on sites like this knowing full well that that if they get thrown off they can sue and drag the cases out for years but their biggest gain is to scare people off and shut down these sites.

        • Jeff

          My, you have a high opinion of yourself. Who would sue for the right to communicate with nitwits, right wingers, and conspiracy theorists? If you really want to talk only to people just like you, just talk to the mirror.

      • eddie47d

        Those on the right “hang themselves” everyday here. If you can’t comprehend their nastiness then you have no reasonable right to criticize those on the left you disapprove of.

      • Kate8

        Okay, eddie. Just why DO you come here, day after day, year after year? Why DO you spend so much time on a conservative site, where you know you will be in disagreement with pretty much everything?

        The last place I’d go for converstation would be a liberal blog. I know I’d have nothing in common with anyone.

        It makes no sense at all, eddie, except that you have another motive. It’s human nature to talk to people with whom you share common ground. All you guys do is attack, mock and name call, while we’re here for meaningful exchange.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Airangel, there is one MAN, that Soros is afraid of. That is Putin.

        1) Putin issued international ARREST WARRANT for Rothschild & Financial TERRORIST George Soros.

        Watch the video and you’ll understand why Greece in mess & financial chaos.
        Now the terrorist Soros and also the Rothschilds & the Rockefellers can’t continue the evil speculations that has devastated the entire GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM.

        2) By 2006 Putin had PAID OFF Russia’s DEBT to the Rothschilds. Russia’s financial dependence on the foreign financiers is now OVER. Therefore U.S. & West hate Putin because he does NOT permit them to control & manipulate him.

        3) Putin wins the battle for Russian oil over the Rothschilds and removes him and all his minions from Russia and sends the Rothschild’s agent (Mikhail Khodorkovsky) behind the bars for 14 years.

        • Motov

          Sounds like Russia will be a major world player soon, and the new envy of the world

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Motov, America needs her Putin.

      • Kate8

        Alondra – I’m confused about Putin.

        Back in the ’50s, when the communists (Soviets) were purged from our government (?), they said they would crush us, take us over from within, without firing a shot. They have had a game plan which has been implemented incrementally to corrupt, dumb-down, demoralize and destroy. Now the commies are in our WH and every locality.

        So, now we are being told by some that Putin is a good guy. Sure, the USSR fell, but did it really? Or did it just rise up in a new form? Is it still communist?

        Is Russia fulfilling her promise? Obama was brought forth from the Soviets.

        So now we have people telling us that Russia is good? That Putin is a good guy?

        From appearances, it does look as if Putin has resisted Rothschild domination. But there is so much deception regarding EVERYTHING… How do we tell?

        The Bible tells us that the deception is so complete that even the “elect would be deceived, if it were possible”. Which elect? The NWO elite are referred to as “the elect”. Or is the Bible referring to God’s elect?

        The Bible speaks of the Beast who rises up, and then another Beast who arises with all of the power of the first Beast.

        These prophecies are open to wide interpretation. There are so many ways to apply these symbols to historical and current situations.

        What do you think, and why do you think that Putin is a good guy? Or is he, in fact, the “savior” who appears on the scene, whom the world will embrace, to bring “peace and safety”? You know who I mean.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Kate, I spend one week searching all about Mr. Putin after I read an article “The Real Crime of M. Khodorkovsky” by Christopher Bollyn [Journaliste Sans Frontieres – Reporters Without Borders (RWB)] about former Russian oil oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who was finance by Jacob Rothschild and who was Rothschild’s agent “along with Rothschild’s high-level agents Henry Kissinger, George W.H. Bush, and the late Richard Holbrooke”.

        First Jacob Rothschild created The Menatep Banking Group in Russia, which was associated with the Rothschild-Soros Carlyle Group. Then thru Khodorkovsky they bought Yukos Oil for $309 million. In 2003 the same company was ASSESSED AS WORTH $45 billion (or 145 TIMES the purchase price).
        The 40% share of his Yukos stocks would pass into the hands of Lord Rothschild.
        But Putin won the battle for oil over the Rothschilds & Company (The Bushes, The Clintons, Soros, Kissinger and others) Therefore he is hated so much and demonized.

        Kate, read this article and all links it provides.

        I read not only English press (USA & UK), but Russian as well (as you might remember I am fluent in Russian). I listened Putin’s speeches in original:
        1) 43rd Munich Conference on Security Policy (February, 2007) (It Transcript you can find at
        and also on YouTube)

        2) In Munich Conference Putin openly exposed the NOW

        3) World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland (January, 2009 – O’Homobama already was elected) (Transcript at and on YouTube: and

        “Putin answers questions at Davos”

        In this speech Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to the world economy saying that the world should avoid the Soviet mistake. The speech was totally ignored by the West & USA press. WHY?

        In the speech Putin said:
        “Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another possible mistake … In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.”

        “THERE IS NO REASON to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.”

        “The unjustified swelling of the budgetary deficit and the accumulation of the national debt are just as destructive as adventurous stock-jobbing.”

        What we see in the U.S. now? Precisely what Putin warned about. It is a destruction of USA economy.

        After my searching I understood why there was Russia-Georgia “conflict” (watch

        and the US missile defense complex in Poland & Czech “supposedly” against Iranian “threat”.

        You have to ask: Why U.S. & Poland forces deepen the military cooperation?
        Why U.S. & E.U. want to surround Russia under FALSE pretexts?
        Because Russia is very reach with OIL, GAS, GOLD, WOOD, etc.

        Kate, there are much, much more issues about Russia vs. USA & West. They didn’t want Putin to become the president again and that’s why they are using the dirty dishonest propaganda against Putin and Russia (“angry Bear”)

        BTW, in 2003 Jacob Rothschild funded several Russian parties thru Khodorkovsky, including the Communist Party with the purpose to defeat Putin.

        They hate Putin because he is NOT afraid of them and do NOT want to be Western’s vassal. Putin wants to be the EQUAL PARTNER of the WEST with the same rights.

        I know one thing: Russian people are highly intelligent. More than 70 years they suffered under communistic tyranny. They did NOT have ANY FREEDOM.

        Kate, America needs her fearless “Putin”, who LOVES his Mother-land.

        God bless Putin and Russia.

        P.S. Isn’t it amazing? I confess from the bottom of my heart, that yet three weeks ago I would NOT praise this man. Of cause he is not without faults. He is a human. But He is a TRUE Russian Patriot, who UNCONDITIONALLY loves his country and his people.

        Compare Mr. Putin with the “American” bastard fraud, who hates the country in which he was raised.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Alondra, it is good to be wise about what is written in the Bible. But how the bloody hell can you be so stupid about Putin?

      • Kate8

        Alondra – Thank you for your response to my questions.

        I have read things praising Putin, as well as the opposite. I have heard that he is now defending Christians and working for the good of Russia.

        I have also heard that he is ex-KGB, that he is has power over Obama, etc etc. I also read that we had thousands of Russian troops in America. Some said the were “here to help”. Others said that they were trained soldiers who garnered experience in gun confiscation in Bosnia (or somewhere) in training for confiscating American guns.

        Looking at Bible prophecy, it’s hard to know what to think. There are even factions who claim that Obama is a “light worker” and is one of the “good guys”. In my book, someone who is so proficient at lying can’t be all that good, and satan is said to come as “a being of light”. He is called the “light bearer”.

        I would like to think that Putin is what you say, but how can we know the truth? The conspiracy of world domination is so all-encompassing, so ingenius, so diversified, that many who are part of it don’t even know that they are. There is so much that is put out in order to influence our perception of things…

        I will check out your sources, and I will pray about it. I do trust that the Lord will prevail. I just don’t want to be one of the deluded and deceived.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Nadzieja, DO YOUR research. As I said in my posting, I spent more than ONE WEEK reading statements, positions, standings, opinions, views of the THREE sides: Putin’s HATERS, Putin’s SUPPORTERS and UNBIASED journalists-investigators, who just wanted to find the TRUTH. I watched ALL his speeches and press conferences in original. And I discovered many unknown facts to me not only about Mr. Putin, but about the Rothschilds, the Bushes, the Clintons, Soros and how “Rothschilds Run British Intelligence Operation into Russia through JNR”:

        “The main investment vehicle of the Rothschilds into Russia and Eastern Europe is JNR UK Ltd, an investment bank specializing in Eastern Europe and Russia. JNR stands for Jacob (father) and Nathaniel (son) Rothschild. Since Feb. 2003, Nathaniel Rothschild has been director of JNR. JNR has offices in Guernsey and Switzerland. The decision to run JNR out of its Swiss and Guernsey offices was made for tax reasons. Most of the revenues are derived from outside the UK.”

        “Through JNR the Rothschilds run their operations inside Russia and Eastern Europe in conjunction with the Russian oligarchy. As previously reported, Nathaniel Rothschild, as director of JNR, is the chief advisor to Russian aluminum oligarch Oleg Deripaska and Deripaska’s Rusal, the world’s largest aluminum company, in which Rothschild is also heavily invested. In addition to his relationship to Oleg Deripaska, Nathaniel Rothschild’s best friend is another Russian billionaire oligarch, Roman Abramovich. An earlier operation, the Wellsian, Open Russia Foundation, which was set up by the Rothschilds with Russian oligarch Khodorkovsky, was shut down in 2006 by Russian authorities after Khodorkovsky’s criminal conviction.”

        “Just prior to his arrest, Khodorkovsky attempted to hand over control of the Yukos oil company to Jacob Rothschild. Khodorkovsky had a “previously unknown arrangement” with Jacob Rothschild for the latter to take control of the former’s Yukos stock in the event that the former could no longer “act as a beneficiary” of the shares. This effort to give control of Yukos to Rothschild was THWARTED when, in 2004, the government of Russia [Mr. Putin!!!] seized and sold Yukos’s largest production unit in compensation for large back tax bills” – read more on

        LaRouche wrote a lot about Big Banks’ financial speculations and fraud and long ago predicted the 2000s WORLD’S FINANCIAL CRISIS.

        Greece Financial Crisis was orchestrated by the Rothschilds.

        Read “Bush, Khodorkovsky & Associates” at

        Nadzieja, you made your comment based on the stereotype of the Soviet Dominant Style ruling without even go thru the links I provided for Kate.

        Putin isn’t a communist, and the communists are not in power today in Russia. The communists are in opposition to Putin. The Russian Communist Party is highly critical of the policies of Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin won presidential elections with 65% votes; Communist Party’s competitor got 17.7% with the 64% turnout to the polls.

        Watch this:

        Nadzieja, first read and watch and then reply.

        Nadzieja, I think that only time will demonstrate and prove who is stupid.

        P.S. Mr. Putin deserves RESPECT only for standing up AGAINST the Rothschilds and NWO. He is not puppet like the FRAUD. He is the MAN of honor and dignity and I applaud him. That was my conclusion after my deep research.
        But I understand very well that Mr. Putin not immune from mistakes (which would not be depend only on his decisions and actions).

      • Kate8

        Alondra – I really do appreciate your viewpoint and your information. I have been watching this and wondering for a long time. Threre is so much disinfo…There is definitely something afoot that is not what it seems.

        From what I’ve gleaned from non-mainstream sources, Putin is, indeed, as you say. We must, of course, realize that what we hear from the mainstream sources is more than likely propaganda…

        I’m so glad you had the chance to post this. I am going to do more research. We’ve been so conditioned in the US to believe that all other countries are bad…and how we are good… And now we’re finding that evil forces have been behind our government for a long time. I wouldn’t believe anything they say.

        I heard recently that, although we believe we are the free-est nation, we rank something like 47th in terms of freedom. That’s startling. It’s time for us to look upon the world with new eyes.

        BTW, what’s your take on Revelation’s battle of gog and Magog? I know that these have become Illuminati terms, as well. It has long been believed that it involves an attack by Russia on Israel. It all depends on who we interpret as “Israel”, and it’s hard to tell who the good guys are and who the “bad guys” are.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Kate – Yes, Putin was KGBst. He is fluent in German and he also speaks English.

        1) Putins/KGB:

        2) Putin speaks English w/CNN:

        3) 22 Russians from the airborne forces visited US military base in Fort Carson in Colorado for the joint training with US Green beret. It was in 2009. I found only one video from the Russian TV News channel and it’s on Russian. But video description is on English.

        4) 2600-years ago, along with the other prophets of the Bible, the prophet Ezekiel foretold us about the re-birth of Israel as a nation, which will be gathered from the nations (Ezekiel 36 & 37). Ezekiel predicts that a league of nations will attack a reborn nation of Israel (Ezekiel 38 & 39)

        This event in the Bible is known as the battle of Gog and Magog or the final battle – Armageddon – which will be in Israel and God will defeat the nations who went against Israel.

        “…I will gather all the nations…and I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of MY PEOPLE and MY HERITAGE ISRAEL, because they have…divided up My land…” (Joel 3:2)

        “…The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.” (Isaiah 25:8)

        READ: Ezekiel chapters 36, 37, 38 & 39; Zechariah 12:1-4; 14:1-9; Matthew 24:14:30; Rev.15:14-20; 19:7-21.

        WATCH 4 videos (4parts) on YouTube “Gog and Magog” by farsider1975
        1st part
        2nd part
        3rd part
        4th part

        The Jewish people are God’s legitimate real justifiable children. God CREATED THEM FOR HIS GLORY.

        “Israel is My son, even My FIRSTBORN.” (Ex.4:22)

        “…for I am a Father to Israel.” (Jer.31:9)

        “Do we (Israelites) not have one Father? Do not have one God created us?” (Is.43:1; Mal.2:10)

        “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way[e] ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED…As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, THEY ARE LOVED ON ACCOUNT OF THE PATRIARCHS, 29 for God’s gifts and His call are IRREVOCABLE. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that THEY TOO MAY now[h] RECEIVE MERCY as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound EVERYONE over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them ALL. Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[i] knowledge of God! How UNSEARCHABLE His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out! For from Him and through Him and for Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.” (Rom.11:25-36)


        “For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said[b]:
        “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE PEOPLE OF JUDAH.
        It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the LORD.
        This is the covenant I will establish WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL after that time, declares the LORD.
        I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I WILL BE THEIR GOD, and THEY WILL BE MY PEOPLE.
        No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because THEY WILL ALL KNOW Me, from the least of them to the greatest.
        For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”[c]
        By calling this covenant “NEW,” He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.” (Hebrews 8:7-13)

        “NOT ONE of the good promises which the LORD had made to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL failed; all came to pass.” (Joshua 21: 45)

        P.S. Kate, look at my response to Nadzieja. There you can find some additional information about Vladimir Putin.

        God bless us, Israel, America & Russia.

      • sam1966

        Ah yes! I see that Jeffy Weffy is up to his old tricks of using the personal attack again. But alas! They will never learn. If our country falls apart, then they will learn. But this would be way to late. Here is something that all patriots can do for their country. This was passed during the tenure of John Adams, but all patriots and Christians should do this for our great country now.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

    • mark

      Her fifteen seconds of fame will far outlive that of Mitt Romney and Ron Paul, two inconsequential non-entities in our nation’s politics and history.

      • Michael J.

        How true, I have skid-marks that will probably outlive your re-marks.

    • eddie47d

      Average Joe: It sounds like Dunn had much more to drink than what he stated for he was out looking for more. How long does it take to walk out of a convenience store ? Maybe 2 minutes and your gone. Why threaten anyone over a very Temporary inconvenience of noise. Dunn was a jerk who had to open his big mouth and abused his right to carry a weapon. You are right about one thing once again the whole story isn’t being told. Every state has these kinds of stories where one side is rude and the other side is even ruder. I don’t think either side deserves much pity.

  • hipshotpercusion

    Whoopi Goldberg a national treasure? I’ve flushed better looking things than her.

    • Karolyn

      Why do peoples’ looks bother you conserevatives so much? All I hear is knocking liberals’ looks. I often wonder what you guys or your wives look like. Looks mean nothing. Whoopi is a very smart, talented and down-to-earth woman.

      • Granpa David

        I am a conservative, and I agree with you. We have a few haters and immatures. Have you noticed the haters are really and more attracted to atheists and Democrats. I don’t know why? It is not good wherever found.

      • Steve E

        The Democrats are as ugly on the outside as they are on the inside.

      • nickkin

        Time for an eye-check Karolyn….whoop-whoop is a down to earth creature….I can’t pick her out of the cast in “The Living Dead”.

      • Mikey

        I like Whoopi too, as a performer. Unfortunately, like many self-important Hollywood personalities, she feels it necessary to excessively preach her political views, instead of sticking to entertaining. She’s not an economist or political science expert, she’s an actress. Her job is to pretend to be someone she’s not (and she does that pretty well).

      • Kate8

        That sure pushes a button with you, Karolyn.

        People who are “celebrities” set themselves up for this when they make political comments. In the first place, their opinions are worth no more than yours or mine, so they’re bound to get all kinds of reactions.

        Come down off your high horse and let the guys blow off a little steam. Of course, you don’t react when it’s a liberal smearing a conservative, so go figure…

      • http://midcontent beand inspector

        There is several litters of mud ugly socialist/marxist democrats on display. Starting with the contant scowling of Michele Omoron, or Whorehond Willly Clinton’s supposed main consort, Hillary.s frumpy looks. Both have millions of taxpayers money to friiter away. . Anything freaky,weird, or abhorrant, is the first choice for socialist/democrat party. As for Whoopy-Poo-Poo, she got hit the ugly stick on a power swing and again on the return back hand stroke. She needs to ditch the braids, it needs some ckicken bones to dress up the head gear. As stated in job fairs, dress and look like someone with skills that are useful and needed by society, not a stand out worthless idoit. When socialist/marxist democrat females ever laugh, it proves they do get off of their padded broom stick, sometimes to just let the corn brush power boost thrusters on back end, cool down. For

      • Average Joe

        Well, it’s been a week since I last commented to you..Aparrently you still haven’t shaved your back or braided your armpits….who woulda thunk? Once again, I think thou doest protest too much. Find a sense of humor,claim it for yourself, take your shoes off, inhale….exhale….relax….


      • Michael J.

        Just last week Karolyn said:

        “The stache and goatee are not attractive Ben. Not much to say today, huh?”

        Take my advice, if the shoe is on the other foot, wear it!

      • Karolyn

        Kate – People who make fun of others, no matter who they are, probably will make fun of anybody and use words like “retard.” Strictly old-school childishness. They were probably bullies when they were kids and possibly still are.

      • Matrix


        It’s a sad fact that the great majority of Liberals, Democrats, Progressives, Communist, Satanist etc, have hideous looks (Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Whoopi Goldberg, Barbara Streisand, Osama Bin laden etc)

        These extremely mentally and physically deformed humans are the product of severe mental, physical or sexual abuse, and have become as ugly as their thoughts on the human race.

        Because of their abuse, they wish evil on all that is good, as the abuse they suffered justifies this immoral behavior and thought process.

        This is what now runs America, and we the people will pay dearly for our political correctness.

        We have a president that was severely abused as a child, with a drunken, communist father that despised all good, an insane mother, homosexual-transvestite nanny, Grandparents that were ashamed of him and mentors that worshipped Satan.

        No love or support from a normal, caring human being, just the constant demented belief in revenge for being born.

        This is the American democrat!

        The Obama black has been duped by these evil beings in believing that they are entitled to get everything handed to them, without knowledge, work or faith.

        The Spanish population is becoming the same useful idiots, as they follow the dysfunctional democratic cult Against the America that saved them from their hell.

        The homosexual, child molesters, rapist and every other sexually transmitted disease that is created by this demented childhood they survived, is 100% democratic cult supported.

        Muslims, Satanist, and all of America’s faithless are also a product of their demented childhood.

        Ugly runs much deeper than the skin in the Democratic cult, and like a cancer, needs to be cut out for the good to grow.

      • Kate8

        Matrix – Sadly, what you say is all too true. When people become so enmeshed in evil, it becomes exciting and a rush for them. They become addicted to it. There have actually been studies on this. And these elite inflict this damage on their own children, whom they train to carry on their legacies of evil.
        Karolyn, That is so not true. There is a great difference in seeing people who are ugly inside (which will quite naturally translate to their appearance) and having a negative gut response toward them…, and mocking people who have disabilities but are good inside.

        I know no one who would make fun of people who don’t, somehow, merit it by their behavior. These control freaks who are attempting to rule over us with an iron fist are deserving of every ounce of contempt we have toward them. They have nothing but contempt for us, or they wouldn’t be elevating themselves above us (in their minds) and trying to make us feel powerless in the face of their tyranny. They wouldn’t be calling us things like “useless eaters”. And this goes for those who enable and support them, too.

        Their only job is making up rules to control the masses, and inflicting pain on us if we try to resist. They produce nothing of value. They are the scum of the Earth, and making fun of them is a way to blow off some steam, since we can’t stop them from what they are doing. At least, not yet.

        It is you who react like a playground child. We are no longer children, Karolyn. There are real things at stake. Nothing less than our lives and the lives of our children. These people are attempting to enslave our minds as well as our lives, and I have no problem with calling them what they are.

        It’s the same old PC cr*p liberals love to shove down our throats. You cannot tell the truth if you deem it “insensitive”; unless, of course, the subject is a conservative/Christian. Then it’s open season.

      • Karolyn

        Matrix – You’re way out there! The people you mentioned are not ugly. I guess if they were conservatives, they would look fine to you. I read “Dreams of My Father” and did not take away that assesssment of Obama and his life.

      • Matrix


        You are always right on the spot when it comes to these corrupters!

        I love your view on life, liberty, truth and America.

        You are a true patriot and America needs many more women like yourself!

        I truly believe Karolyn is a good hearted person, but as millions of other followers of corruption, will end up corrupt.

        This is very sad how our government sold out their own, but keep the faith in America and continue to fight for her, as we will fight for you!

        • Tony Newbill

          I agree Karolyn has a good heart , its like so many that get frustrated with the system so they give up on the dream . The system is corrupted for a Reason and Wake the Sleepers hit on the reason with this Link , , and its because of what Kissinger wrote in the NSSM200 study that they are following today .

      • kathy c

        Substance should be worth more than appearance, but in the real world people tend to judge by appearance. Since they are superficial, they lack substance and they just don’t seem to care that they are ugly. Maybe they just want to appeal to the bewildered.

      • Kate8

        Thank you, Matrix, and right back at ‘cha.

        BTW, did you see this one? Perhaps there is hope for nailing the Big O before Jan 21 after all.

        • Jeff

          Hold your breath, K8. WND? The organization that makes Fox look legit? You’ve got to be kidding. Who will be the experts saying Obama is ineligible? Donald Trump, Sheriff Joe, and Newt? You may as well dig up the Marx Brothers.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, your often referenced sources of information come through the Democratic Underground, Media Matters, TPMuckraker, etc. and you want to critisize WND? WND is a far better source to seek truth when compared to your propaganda sites.

        • Jeff

          So, you think the WND report is legitimate and Obama’s inauguration will be cancelled? The South might still win the Civil War, too. Stick around.

      • JeffH

        No, Jeff the childish progressive troll, that’s not what I said, that’s what you said. Try as you may, you progressive morons can’t put words in anybody’s mouth, let alone mine.

        This is what I said…”WND is a far better source to seek truth when compared to your propaganda sites.”

        • Jeff

          WND is either a legitimate news site or it isn’t. It has nothing to do with other sites, opinion sites, my being progressive or a troll or even your being a damned Nazi. BTW: the sites I read predicted Obama would win the election because he would win most of the swing states. Your “objective” sites all predicted Romney would win 100 more electoral votes than he did. My favorite is Dick Morris. Who knows how many hookers he had under the table while he sneered his predictions for you right wing saps to lap up.

      • JeffH

        Gee whiz sparkey(short for childish progressive troll Jeff)that was quite a little off topic rant you just made there. Do ya feel all warm and fuzzy getting that off yer chest? Whoopie ding and who cares about Dick Morris, who predicted Romney winning or Obama winning…certainly not me. It’s always been a lose-lose proposition as far as I’m concerned. You’ll realize that when you are no longer a usefull idiot to the elites that pick & choose who’s gonna be POTUS and who’s gonna be the faux front man to the people.

        There’s a sucker born every minute!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Grandpa David, if you are agreeing with Karolyn you are not a Conservative or a Libertarian. The only way people can walk together is if they agree to take the same path. So if you are claiming that you are a Conservative you are walking ideologically in one direction and Karolyn and her bunch here are walking the other way so at what point are you walking together?

      • Kate8

        JeffH – One of the rules in the troll bood of tactics is to attempt to discredit all sources used by the “opposition”. He’s just doing his job.

        I still say he is among the paid trolls. Probably is actually several of them. He’s always on the scene bright and early, and he’s got the nastiness down.

        WND does sometimes sensationalize. But the story is either true or it isn’t, and it seemed pretty straight forward. The question is whether it goes anywhere. Obama’s thugs have a way of making legitimate questions go away, unanswered.

        BTW. did you survive the storm last night okay? We’ve got major flooding here, and it never floods here.

      • kathy c

        She was very funny in “Sister Act”, but I would not want to bump into her in the dark. Not everyone is born beautiful, but most can do something with what they have. She probably has a very poor sense of esteem in spite of her success. Too bad I won’t get to see any more of her movies (as well as those of Pitt, Hanks, Baldwin, Streep, Jolie and any other liberal). Just not going to pay big bucks to support liberal causes. Goes for Striesand, Springsteen and others. Just threw away their CDs. I’m saving money and de-cluttering. But, I will go to Macy’s in NYC and buy a Trump tie.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, for sure. I checked out your Occupy Corporatism link in fridays thread regarding the CIA/FBI sponsored trolls and wrote a response. That just confirms what we’ve pretty much known all along…and notice how pointed the attacks have been against cetain commentors. They have a tough time dealing with those of us that understand what they’re attempting to do and refuse to play their game by their rules.

        We missed the bigger storms in N California but we’ve had a pretty consistant rain down here in the central valley all week long. I was barely able to get one round of skeet in yesterday morning before the rain started. How about the Auburn area…imagine it was a pretty good series of storms for you.
        Stay safe!

      • sam1966

        Really? I thought that was Michelle bin Laden in drag. Here is something that compares Obama’s messiah complex and thought to that of Hitler’s. Very interesting listening.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “Give me liberty or give me death!”

        Patrick Henry

        • Jeff


          You are quite gullible for a “teacher.” The moron who made the video shows Obama quoting the Bible and he says Obama is declaring himself to be God. Unbelievable that anyone could swallow such crap whole like you do. Interesting Hitler footage though. Honestly, comparing Obama to Hitler should be enough to have you committed.

      • http://naver samurai

        I see that Jeffy is still up to his old tricks of attacking someone when he is proven wrong. Such shame on him and his family. In fact, here is how you sheeple are. A person painted a picture that depicts Obama bin Laden as Jesus on the cross. Such blasphemy on the part of the 5th columners, like you Jeffy.

        I guess your side will never learn till it is too late, eh Jeffy? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.”

        John Adams

        • Jeff

          Doe anyone believe this nut case is a teacher? What could he possibly teach – bad comedy writing? I think he finished dead last in the I Want To Be Don Rickles contest.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry dude, but your constant personal attacks don’t phase me and they show your immaturity and ignorance. Just like the average 5th columner being lead by the nose by their messiah in the White House. Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Since you resort to attacking someone and not posting facts or sources, I’ll have to give you this to try to increase your low intelligence level.


            Pelosi, who claims to be a catholic, is about as catholic as I am the Pope. But alas! Why let the Constitution stand in your way of getting what you want, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out Jeffy.

            “Let his days be few; and let another trake his place.
            Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”

            Psalms 109 vs. 8 – 9

          • Jeff


            How will I ever live down your disapproval?

      • sam1966

        Its not my disapproval you need to worry about, but you do have to worry about the judgement of God. I don’t disapprove of you, but I pitty you.

        See what Obama bin Laden is going to do to our seniors, even the ones foolish enough to believe his lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Jeffy out.

        “The fool has said there is no God within his own heart.”

        Psalms 14:1
        Psalms 53:1

        • Jeff

          OK, Faque, lay it on the line. What was your position during Viet Nam? All you right wing a*holes were in favor of the war and called yourselves patriots. All the great patriots and their murderous war told all of us against the war to “love it or leave it.” Sounds like you haven’t learned a thing in the last 40 years. You still think anyone who disagrees with you is a traitor. You sound like a stupider version of J. Edgar Hoover. He loved killing all the *&^%) in Viet Nam. Now, how might Jesus have felt about that war? Your boys during the 60s would have crucified him all over again for opposing that war, in the name of Jesus of course. You self-professing Christians are the least christian, least religious people on earth.

          • sam1966

            Sorry dude, but since I wasn’t old enough to go to Vietnam, born 1966, I couldn’t tell you much about it, except from what I’ve studied. My father did 3 tours of Vietnam, to count fighting during the Tet Offensive, and came out unscathed. He’s always comparing his Vietnam War medals with my medals from serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, though I have 2 purple hearts, a silver star, and a bronze star, he and I are alike in some ways. We believe that if you start something, you should see it through to the finish. No matter how long it takes. Though I was wounded twice in Iraq, I couldn’t wait to get out of medical hold and go back to my platoon. I always told my soldiers our job isn’t over till we have won. I asked my father in 1987, he retired with 32.5 years in the navy, if Vietnam was still being fought today, would you want to go back? He said yes, because the mission isn’t finished yet. Now there is a good patriotic attitude, not the attitude of the moronic bleeding hearts. You and your ilk always wish to follow Jane Fonda and her treasonous actions. You talk about Jesus and we Christians, but yet you are no Christian. So how would you know what we think, feel, or believe? Just like a child of satan to bring up our faith. Since my father served, he’d probably asked if you served during Vietnam. If you told him no, he’d probably slap you and knock you to the ground for being a “p****.” Even Jesus had his disciples purchase swords to defend themselves, so what is your point? Do you even have a point, not counting the one on top of your head, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “Traditionally, Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle.”

            General George S. Patton Jr.

    • mark

      I think you flushed your brain down the toilet, too, and all sense of reason and humanity. Welcome to the Republican Party fit in fine.

      • Matrix




        Obama’s win shows democrats have neither.

        Pity those who deserve sympathy, not the corrupted, demented, lazy, morally ugly, useless American democrat!

        Pity our once awesome, strong, God fearing America, for it is we that will need true mercy from God for the sins you have committed!

      • Kate8

        Hmmmm. Why is it that Karolyn never calls the trolls on their nasty comments?

      • Karolyn

        Ah, but I have, Kate.

      • eddie47d

        There are so many on the right that we just don’t have the time to get to them all. By the time we get done battling the dishonesty coming from Conservatives its time to quit for the night.

  • Paul Wells

    Good job, Ben. You can always tell when you hit the mark when the haters come out (of the hills) and begin the insults :) Keep up the good work!

    • Deerinwater

      So opposition and offering any defense to any attack is being “hater” to you Paul Wells?

      Myself, ~sometime back I quit watching Ben Crystal little attempt at humours political commentary , finding them trite, banal with a catatonic bathroom humor slant.

      So I really can not comment on what was said but with the heading of “Hey, Whats that smell”? I can only imagine.

      Do I qualify as a “Hater” as well?

      • Nobody’s Fool

        Deerinwater, if you quit watching Crystal’s clips “sometime back”, what are you still doing here?? I know your fellow commies have no sense of humor, so I guess that’s why you continue to hang around. You can go now. We release you to go skulk on your fellow commie websites. You’ll feel much more at home there.

      • eddie47d

        Actually FOOL there are a few times where I won’t watch Ben’s videos. They are sicker than what you “flush down the toilet”. If you fawn all over some of his trash talk then you and a few other Conservatives must eat road apples for dessert! Not many of you can claim the high road either with these continued slutty moments you seem to relish. At least Granpa David gave me some hope but for now he only has minority status!

      • Paul Wells

        Deerinwater, I don’t know if you qualify as a hater or not, to my knowledge you haven’t slammed people that much. I believe if you’ll look above where my comment is, there would be comments more relevant to what I referred to. Have a great day!

      • Deerinwater

        I review what I wish and come and go as I wish , thank you very much. ~ I’m looking for a worthy opponent and a just cause.

        Make my day, fart smell’er,~ if you feel a little froggy, jump on out there with another statement. If it amuses me, I will respond, if I doesn’t ~ think about it and try again. I might enjoy packing your bags.

        Mr. Livingston is using Ben Crystal to reach out to a select audience for sear numbers and viewership, the less pleasant side of business. If you expect to sale lumber, you got to sale nails.

      • Kate8

        Deerinwater – “If it amuses me, I might resond. Otherwise think about it and try again.”

        Really. I think you overestimate your importance here. As if a response from you is something to be aspired toward.


      • Deerinwater

        Content is what’s important Kate, ~ let us not be under some illusion to think otherwise.

        So ~ you know any good “fart jokes” without getting to far off Ben Crystals topic?

      • Kate8

        Deer – I agree that content is important. However, trying to discuss anything with a liberal is a huge waste of time.

        BTW, I abhor tasteless comments that deal with things like bodily functions and obcenity. Nowdays, it’s this kind of gutter talk that too many people find normal.

      • Paul Wells

        Deerinwater, You are a moron, idiot and nincompoop. No intelligence there between your ears as far as I can see. Go [expletive deleted] yourself!

      • Deerinwater

        Kate8 says:
        December 1, 2012 at 3:19 pm
        Deer – I agree that content is important. However, trying to discuss anything with a liberal is a huge waste of time.”

        Well, if you feel that way, winning hearts and influencing people that make up 47 to 52 % of the voting public creates it’s own set of problems doesn’t it Kate?

        The biggest problem that I have with such a statement that you make might surprise you. I really don’t believe the label “Conservative” accurately describes or is befitting many of the people that make the claim of being conservatives today. Then too, this notion that conservative and liberal ideologies are some kind of an absolute antonym , completely opposite, is absurd.

        I find both conservatives and liberals today are just annoyed and angry and wish to blame anything that they don’t personally prescribe too or feel alienated from. To employ conservatism must clearly mean different things for different people. It seems that conservatism today is something to subject “other people too” and not something that is practiced by self.

        We hear talk of conservatism constantly, while we don’t see it practiced much. Can anyone out there, tell us what a conservative is without telling us what one isn’t? And if you can, ~ can you direct me to the nearest one? I want to met this person!

        By no means am I a liberal but for the life of me I can not accept today’s GOP position on just about 75% of the arguments that they make to defend their position on to do or not do just about anything. ~

        The GOP today, is not the GOP of yesterday, a GOP that would place country first. A country make up of all citizens. Today, the GOP much like yourself, refuses to recognize honor and respect all citizens with a sense entitlement that has never been fully explained.

        It is not I that is confused, ~ In the last four years the number of government employee has be decreased by the thousands from an all time high in 2009 after 8 years of a conservative lead administration. However these number do help make up a signification part of today’s unemployed that conservative complain about while at the same time, ~ flying banners for smaller government. ~ Ain’t that a kick in the head?

        Ron Paul was the only strong conservative in the lineup and look what the GOP did to him. ~ so how could Today’s GOP possibly claim to be conservatives?

        Herman Cain was sexual predator and a lush, created a habit long ago of bonking hired help at his pizza joint, women of either loose morals or just needed a job and was promised rewards working at his “gag and puke” 60 to 70 hours per week.

        Santorum? get real ~ Newty ? The paid Historian? No character, for $500 dollars he will offer you a certificate that documents that he knows you well.

        Willard Romney? ~ another LUSH, ~ much like Donald Trump, ~ they are not conservatives ~ these are men that have used the law to skirt responsibility and avoid going to jail and amass a fortune by refusing to be the stand up kind of men we all respect and look up too. . Clearly, they are good at what they do, ~ but they are not conservatives! They are confidence men, swindles, carpet baggers.

        The GOP has a problem today. ~ they has dug themselves a big deep hole and built a tall brick fence around it. ~ Nothing is getting out and and very little is getting in.

        But let us attempt to understand today problems will not be solved just because the GOP or the DNC won an election. We need each other. ~

        If today’s self proclaimed conservatives continue to believe a white skin affords them an entitlement by virtue of pigment, these people are out of time and out of step with today’s world. They have a single option left for them to do and that is keep digging that hole and building those walls.

        You are not a conservative just because of a certain pigment preference or sexual orientation, or because of some faith affiliation. ~ You are a conservative by practice.

      • Deerinwater

        Paul Wells says:
        December 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm
        Deerinwater, You are a moron, idiot and nincompoop. No intelligence there between your ears as far as I can see. Go [expletive deleted] yourself!”

        I say, Oh Paul , don’t be coy ~ tell us how you really feel. ~ Don’t give up, ~ let it all out , cry if you want too. ~ It’s okay ~ .

        Seeing ~ is a big word ~ I do not believe that you do “see”.

      • Kate8

        Deer – If you’ve read any of my posts over time, you would know that I ditched the Republican party long ago. I have commented that ideologies exist only in the rank and file masses, not at the top where they are all part of the same club. The Right has completely sold us out, and conservatism does not exist.

        My problem with liberals is that they idolize and worship Leftist politicians beyond reason. They support them no matter how treasonous they are. Nothing they can do is bad enough to lose their voter base.

        As opposed to the condition of the RNC, which conservatives are abandoning like rats from a sinking ship. And it’s because of this very reason…they’ve abandoned us, they’ve sold out, they’ve joined the Left.

        That being said, I also know that it was all part of the plan.

        I would identify with true conservative values for the most part, which has nothing to do with politics. It is a way of life. And I don’t care how any one else chooses to believe or live, as long as they don’t try to impose on my natural rights.

        That is pretty much it for me, and it really distresses me how so many Americans buy into beliefs without ever questioning their validity. This goes for both R and L.

        True freedom is freedom for all, not one side rules the other. R/L is just another maifestation of polarity/duality, which only divides and separates as long as it is fed. It is the purpose of those who control us to keep us in a perpetual state of division, that “never the ‘twain shall meet”. It is only by keeping us fighting over meaningless causes and ideas that the elite can perpetuate their will and agenda over us. Until we wake up to the truth of what’s going on, and unite in the cause of freedom, we shall continue to plunge into darkness and opression.

        Meanwhile, while we’re betraying one another as Americans, the elite are putting in place that none of us are going to like, except, perhaps, the most Borg-ified. Freedom will not exist in any manner. It is evidenced even here that there are those who do exist who are willing to commit treachery against their brothers for a paycheck.

      • Deerinwater

        Kate say; “My problem with liberals is that they idolize and worship Leftist politicians beyond reason. They support them no matter how treasonous they are. Nothing they can do is bad enough to lose their voter base.”

        I say; ” I’m left to assume that you speech of the current administration and not Ronnie Reagan’s. And it is true, ~ the more attacks from the right will be answered with more defense from the left. One begets the other. ~ and of course like some Reagan lovers , some people go gaga overboard. ~ I liked Reagan and have said on many occasions, my family were instrumental in helping him carry Texas. But , I was disappointed and did not approve of the means to many of his efforts. He was just a man, a good, loyal man.

        Kate say; “As opposed to the condition of the RNC, which conservatives are abandoning like rats from a sinking ship. And it’s because of this very reason…they’ve abandoned us, they’ve sold out, they’ve joined the Left.”

        I say; ” I agree, the GOP has sold us out. ~ while no man is an island unto himself. I’m not so sure about them joining ranks with the left though, ~ but the DNC is an all inclusive party wishing to believe each loyal American is worthy representation on some level. Even suspected criminal are entitled to representation.

        Kate says; ” That being said, I also know that it was all part of the plan.”

        I say; ” If they had a plan, Mich McConnell and company hid it well. Like the night that I beat up a police officers night stick with my head then I hit him in the fist with my nose. I remember having some kind of plan at the moment, while the details elude me.

        Kate say; ” I would identify with true conservative values for the most part, which has nothing to do with politics. It is a way of life.”

        I say; ” Well said Kate

        Kate say; ” And I don’t care how any one else chooses to believe or live, as long as they don’t try to impose on my natural rights.”

        I say; ” We agree ~ however some do not ~

        Kate say; “That is pretty much it for me, and it really distresses me how so many Americans buy into beliefs without ever questioning their validity. This goes for both R and L.”

        I say; Total agreement

        Kate say; ” True freedom is freedom for all, not one side rules the other. R/L is just another manifestation of polarity/duality, which only divides and separates as long as it is fed. It is the purpose of those who control us to keep us in a perpetual state of division, that “never the ‘twain shall meet”. It is only by keeping us fighting over meaningless causes and ideas that the elite can perpetuate their will and agenda over us. ”

        I say; The same basic freedoms should be available to every citizen, while certain opportunities and privileges are to be earned and should come with responsibilities. While I do believe notions of freedoms vary among people as I see true freedom as death and even then it’s debatable just how free one might be. One being left to perhaps believe freedoms must be balance with responsibility. Where as we see some would want for freedom while refusing any responsibility if given freedom.

        Kate say; “Until we wake up to the truth of what’s going on, and unite in the cause of freedom, we shall continue to plunge into darkness and oppression.”

        I say; ” The forces in play do not wish for that to happen Kate and where as in a rare instance, that I concur with my arch nemesis Jay. The wizard that hide behind the curtain in the Land of OZ is real.

        Kate say; “Meanwhile, while we’re betraying one another as Americans, the elite are putting in place that none of us are going to like, except, perhaps, the most Borg-ified. Freedom will not exist in any manner. It is evidenced even here that there are those who do exist who are willing to commit treachery against their brothers for a paycheck”.

        I says; ” In a heartbeat without giving it a thought” ~ As long as the wolf is not scratching at their door, ~ all is well in the Land of Oz . Myself, ~ I feel for others where it be just stupidity, foolishness or the luck of the draw and do what I can to make a difference, knowing for the grace of God , there go I. I was born naked and very dumb into a home of simple people where unconditional love was the only abundance they knew. I feel blessed for it and sometime even rich. We might lose a few battles but be of good cheer, there is more good in the world then bad as we each do our little part.

        We can’t stand by and ignore what it happening around us yet we can’t get so overwhelmed with it that it festers in the mind and bring forward evil thoughts. We create our reality as we “think” it’s so.

        good-nite and carry on

      • Kate8

        Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, Deer. Freedom cannot exist without it.

        Only people of high standards of morality and ethics can remain free. That is why would-be tyrants set out to corrupt. Once corrupt, they cannot stand, because when common rules and standards are breached, there is no trust.

        It is necessary in a free society that people DO take responsibility. They must have self-restraint and a respect for life. They must respect their countrymen and their world neighbors. It requires being good stewards of the land and resources, and a desire to support the success of others as well as self. It is necessary that people always strive for excellence in all ways.

        Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Love God wholly, and love your neighbor as yourself.

        If people would understand these things, we could create a world that would be beautiful for all.

    • Deerinwater

      Clearly, some people like fart jokes, ~ Larry the Cable Guy is a big hit to such people so there is room for everyone without calling people “Haters”.

      • nickkin

        Did you hear the one about Pretty-Pelosi ? She farted during one of her speeches and claimed that it will take awhile to find out how long the smell will last and in the meantime, just blame Bush.

      • Carlucci

        I believe you meant to say “sell”, not “sale”.

      • Deerinwater

        I did indeed, Thank you Ms. Carlucci ~ no excuse offered.

    • RAB

      ditto Paul W. you are correct :) plus they can not spell, or talk with correct American for poor Whoopi, she can not dress like a lady, with all that $$$ ABC, gives her, even on TV, her hair is so bad, looks so dirty, well lets face it, she is ugly in all, she wants to be, everytime she opens her mouth…bad for our Children, bad example; GOD BLESS AMERICA; IN GOD WE TRUST…

      • eddie47d

        What’s the matter RAB is she too black for you? Is her hair too kinky for you? Is her clothing style too casual for you? I hate to tell you there isn’t much a person can do about their natural looks and if they are born black they generally stay black. “looks so dirty”. You probably think the same about a coal miner whether black or white because they don’t fit your perfect image. I’ve seen whites who spend thousands on plastic surgery and monthly hairdos to impress folks like you who can’t tolerate someone being themselves. Its too bad she can’t be your Barbie Doll but that is the way REAL LIFE is.

      • JUKEBOX

        Stupid is as stupid does, and Ugly is as ugly does. I cannot understand alleged smart, talented people dressing with a “JUST CRAWLED OUT OF A GOODWILL BOX LOOK”, with apologies to the Goodwill box.

    • kathy c

      I totally agree. Most of those folks are the 47%, who have nothing better to do. They love to see their vitriolic comments in print. Gives them a thrill like Chris Mathews tingle down his leg. Wonder how the liberals are going to feel when they discover that The One has used them, got their votes, and does not need them any more.

      • nc

        Kathy c,I doubt seriously the Democrats will do to Obama what the Republicans did to Daddy’s Boy Bush! They buried him while he still alive and they are about to do the same thing to Mittens!

      • Mikey

        For once, I agree with nc! Yes, the Dems will stand behind everything Obama does, right or wrong. He could commit murder, and would still be praised as “the savior”.
        Those fools on the right have something called “principals”, or “values”. If their selected leaders turn out to be liars and back-stabbers, they dump them.
        Come to think of it, there were a lot of socialists in Germany that blindly followed their leader to the end back in the 30′s and 40′s. Look what that got them.

      • Kate8

        Mikey – COULD commit murder? Actually, he has murdered many, and still does nearly every day. Look up “Obama body count”. Same with the Clintons (“Clinton body count).

        And yet the dems love them. But then, they love to embrace the perverse. The more perverse, the more they love them.

        But then, they have to love perversity in order to feel good about themselves.

        • Jeff

          How about naming names K8? Or is that too much detail – the names of the people they are accused of murdering? And evidence, sometimes that helps too. But then conspiracy theories only have to sound good in a right wing echo chamber.

      • mark

        Yes but they won. While your side lost. How does it feel to be associated with the losers?

      • Mikey

        Conservatives may have lost this battle, but we still have our values. The lack of values our opponents foster, will drive the destruction of this country. Then, nobody will have anything. The middle class will cease to exist, only the very rich (including the crooked politicians) and the very poor.
        Throughout history, every time there has been only the very rich and the very poor, it only ends one way… revolution. It won’t be long before history repeats itself.

      • Kate8

        jeff – Are you too disabled to do your OWN RESEARCH?

        I’m not wasting my time catering to you trolls. These links have been posted several times, so I gather that anyone who wants to can PULL THEM UP.

        Again, do a search on “Obama body count” and “Clinton body count”. Believe me, names are named, and the list IS LONG.

        I don’t believe you really care about those who’ve been popped. Just remember, kharma can be a real bummer.

      • Deerinwater

        Kathy say, “Wonder how the liberals are going to feel when they discover that The One has used them, got their votes, and does not need them any more.”

        I say; until it happens ~ it is just your wishful thinking but if by chance there is some voter remorse, ~ I only need to consider what were my options. ~ McCain/Palin or Willard and what’s his name? ~ I feel better already!

        So would you tell us today that you hold no remorse with a two term “W” vote? The 7 trillion down in committed protracted spending , 9700 coalition armed soldier dead with a 700 million dollar welfare package to Wall Street bankers before “43″ could remove himself from Capital Hill, or are you proud of his administrations “handy work”?

      • eddie47d

        Oh yes Kate 8 those “famous” Republican body counts which are fodder for the extreme right but never proven. The Republican Party continually throws out accusations but seldom have the correct facts. Those rumors do make book writers lots of money and the gullible buy into their spiels every time. I think what many Americans wonder is when these books will be made into a movie not if they are factual or not.

      • Kate8

        That’s exactly why I refuse to pull up links for you libs, eddie. You won’t even give them the time of day.

        Those lists are right on, and many people know it. But these politicians are gods to you, so you just continue to lick their shoes.

      • Average Joe

        ediie says:

        “The Republican Party continually throws out accusations but seldom have the correct facts.”

        As opposed to eddie who always makes accusations…and never has ANY facts…but hey, his opinion is a good as it gets……
        When eddie speaks…people laugh……. ’til thier sides hurt……..


      • eddie47d

        If you don’t agree with something I say Average Joe then question those facts or opinion. You won’t hurt my feelings but why the cheap cocky remark.

      • Average Joe


        “You won’t hurt my feelings but why the cheap cocky remark.”

        Is it truly a cheap, cocky remark, if it’s the truth? It has become quite obvious to most of us… that you have no credibility. You never bring anything to the conversation, other than your opinion…and your opinion isn’t worth the time it took to type…without validating that opinion. If we ask for validation, you tell us to look it up ourselves, but when we provide links to validate our opinions…you ignore them (or, you have a reading comprehension problem)…because “your” opinion is far superior to that of someone who provided source material.
        Yes eddie, you ARE a laughing stock to most of us on PLD….and have absolutely no credibility. No “cheap, cocky shot” here…simply the truth.

        I am not mean, I am Blunt. Which means I will tell you the difference between…a bit naive and completely frigging stupid…….


        • Jeff

          I don’t know much about Eddy except that he is the target of many of DaveH’s creepy insults, so he’s in good company. As for you, I guess you feel “empowered” because most of the cretins on this blog agree with you. In the rest of the world, yours is a distinctly minority opinion.

    • Karolyn

      You got that very wrong Paul. The insults started right off the bat with Ben and then with the first post of the day.

    • mark

      Haters and insults? The very title of Ben’s piece is: “What’s that smell? Susan Rice? Hillary Clinton? Bill Clinton?” Ben Crystal’s hatred and contempt for all those he disagrees with politically naturally initiates replies that are hateful and insulting. He, Crystal, is the progenitor of this hate. Just like his boy, Romney. But what is most evident is that both of them lost and remain what they have always been: irrelevant.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So Ben C. is not allowed to say that your pack of she wolves doesn’t pass the smell test because your feelings get hurt and Ben C. must do what you want.

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – Did you not read the post the responses were in reference to accusing liberals of throwing the first punch?

      • sam1966

        I see Mark is still drunk on kool aid, as usual. Here is a little ditty dealing with our government under the lib/progtards/ and Obama bin Laden.

        It’s truthful and funny at the same time. Especially that part dealing with our Christian founding fathers turning over in their graves. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.”

        Charles Carroll
        Signer of the Declaration of Independence

  • Nobody’s Fool

    Brazzos, pleeze git a spel checker….or use de one dat came on yer cumpooter.

  • dan

    hey Ben …don’t know if you’ll get this far,but love the ‘stache but unsure of soul/love patch.
    Consider going full mullah…and started giggling with the waste of good urine and missed your first line so I had to back it up. Love you always,my man.

    • SmartA$$

      I was going to ask him what happened to his face.

      • Kate8

        Smart – Are you criticizing his looks?

  • Roger

    I don’t here any comments about that Crystal boy with those bushy eyebrows, sideburns,mustache and little thing under his bottom lip.He must have had a Wooly Willy toy when he was a kid.

    • jcfromdc

      It’s “I don’t HEAR”…

      • Roger

        Sorry I was not paying attention to my spelling I was thinking about that magnet toy and not what I was doing.Thanks for correcting me.

  • http://Green Bob

    Really enjoy your biting humor, Ben…always incorporating a strong element of truth. That said, if Susan Rice had any integrity at all left, she would publicly withdraw her name from consideration as the next Sec. of State, resign her current position, and then apologize to the country on national TV (everywhere she spoke on that Sunday) for her deceitful and shameful apologist behavior in the face of the revealed truth about the Benghazi terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of 4 brave Americans.

    • Ted Crawford

      Not likely to happen, given that she still owes the families of those killed on 9/11 an appology, for refusing the Sudanese Foreign Ministers offers to arrest and hand over bin Lauden , BEFORE 9/11!

    • eddie47d

      Your key point is “revealed truth” She gave information she knew was truthful at the time. Yes the “truth” changed as this event unfolded no different than any person can do. Pick any subject to discuss even your job ! Believe it or not even you know more today than you did yesterday.

      • Kate8

        eddie – Yes, truth is a very pliable thing with people like you…and politicians.

        Got that list of 52,560 (or whatever the specific # was) of petitions ready yet?


        • Tony Newbill

          A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor, he speaks in accents familiar to his victims and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

      • Tony Newbill

        Rice has massive Conflicts that Need to discussed in a Court of law and in Senate Hearings and In the UN Courts as well ,

      • Kate8

        Tony Newbill – You may enjoy the articles on this site. Especially scroll down to the article about how the commies and NAZIs sell out and turn on their own when they are no longer useful. It should be a lesson to all those who are tools of the current regime.

        This is a great site.

        • Tony Newbill

          Thanks Kate8 !!!

      • JeffH

        Kate8, LMAO! eddie responded in the other thread(you should read it)…said he signed 308 more in an hour yesterday and now his total far exceeds 53,600+. (52,560+308=52,568)…and he’s tired of being called a liar. Go figure?

      • JeffH

        …pardon me..that was 53,000+ not 53,600+…my apologies!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff H; That was as I stated, about 100 per hour over a 3 hour period. Remember you said “Eddie has been caught in so many lies he lies about lying” Hmmm! OR “same crapola from Eddie’s mouth” or “Eddie is a straight up liar” Why should anyone believe anything you say when you lie about me so much?

      • Kate8

        JeffH – That’s so funny. Just where on Earth can someone even find so many petitions? Not only that, but he couldn’t possibly read them all if he signs them that fast. So, he signs anything and everything without even knowing what he’s signing?

        LOL. Is it just me, or is this actually feasible?

      • Kate8

        Oh, I get it, eddie. You’re a professional blogger and petition signer! LOL.

        It’s like the people who hold signs and picket. Ask them what the issue is and THEY HAVE NO IDEA. They’re being paid to do it!!!

        This is how the dems operate, folks. It’s all hired, and it’s all fake.


      • JeffH

        eddie, what you refuse to admit is seen by many others besides myself…you’ve made your bed and your slanderous lies have been pointed out so many ties…that’s why no one believes you(except yourself) and why you haven’t had any credibility on this website for a couple of years now.

        But that’s OK, you just go on believing that you’re not a pathalogical liar…because that’s what liars do.

    • mark

      Two of the dead Americans were paid mercenaries, earning giant Blackwater bucks and well aware of the danger. Under George W. Bush, hundreds of these “brave” American mercenaries working for Blackwater and other firms were killed in Iraq. But not one conservative spokesmen said a word about it. Gee, wonder why? But when two Americna mercenaries died in Benghazi, suddenly this is an impeachable event. Could politics be involved? Was this why no conservatives called for Ronald Reagan’s impeachment when his criminal negligence led to the death of 241 – not 4 – Americans in Lebanon in 1983, all of them U.S. Marines? Starting to detect a pattern here?

      • http://none Marilynn Marshall

        I totally disagree. It wouldn’t have mattered if those men were connected wth Blackwater, or our Mafia. The fact that they were aware of the risks, makes their actions even braver. They saw people were in serious danger; someone had to help them. They went in and did their best; they saved some & died with the others. These were not the kind of men who could stand by and watch the innocent & helpless massacred, without trying to save them. Unfortunately, not a trait shared with our president or his advisors, etc. The point is they cared enough to try, even though they risked their lives doing it, and eventually lost them.

        The criminal part of this affair, involves several factors:

        1. They had to step in because Obama gave orders that no one was to try to help or save our people at the Embassy. They stepped in, because no one else was going to.

        2. Obama and his advisors sat back and watched the whole thing, and still refused help, and watched brave people die.

        3. The Ambassador and the embassy staff had placed their trust in Obama, Clinton & Rice; none of whom provided assistance either before, during or after the event. To state that their faith and trust were seriously misplaced, is a serious understatement.

        4. The entire debacle has undermined many Americans’ and much of the military’s faith in any one of the three. Obviously, there are several others involved in this nightmare, who did not exactly shine, either. Hopefully, they’ll all eventually get what they deserve.

        You know, they say “What goes around; comes around. Just wait, and eventually they’ll get what’s coming to them; even if they have to wait till they die, for God’s justice.” The problem I have with this is that it often takes that long, and those people cause hurt and damage to a lot of people, in a lot of areas in the meantime.


      • eddie47d

        The problem with you Marilyn is that you danced around Marks question and that has been continuous with all Conservatives on the Reagan involvement issue. That’s not a trick question! Not a lick of you are honest either but you parade around with your smugness. The embassy bombing in Lebanon was by far much worse yet all we hear is crickets. (71 died and 6 within the compound.) Now if you want to claim honesty then either back off on your conjectures or admit the terrible mistakes made under Republican administrations. As far as the Blackwater doings they were hardly committing themselves out of patriotism but the huge salaries they were being paid. Not much different than other contractors. They were no more than hired mercenaries or assassins. Besides when they killed those 17 innocent civilians their lives were not in danger and are hardly heroic in any manner. Now is the harm they did a concern for you or does God approve of those kinds of killings?

  • jcfromdc

    Is Ben a Frank Zappa fan?

    • Roger

      Zappa, thats it I couldn’t think of of his name

      • Motov

        Not too many musicians can play like Frank Zappa did, He was a genius and someone who believed in our own constitution.

      • Average Joe

        Motov ,

        Not too many…but there is one ( BTW, Dweezil played guitar on this) Enjoy!

      • Motov

        “and little thing under his bottom lip.”
        I believe that is called an “Imperial” Frank Zappa’s moustache will be as famous as other great ‘staches” of the past Charlie Chaplin, Adolf Hitler,(one that is very rarely seen due to obvious reasons) Groucho Marx, and maybe a few others.

    • Carlucci

      I miss Frank Zappa………I wonder if he is now raising dental floss in that big Montana in the sky…. :-)

      • Average Joe

        Simple… Frank’s doing fine……he took “Mighty Little” with him…. ;)

      • Motov

        And his heavy duty zircon encrusted tweezers in his hand

      • Average Joe

        And…He’s still hanging tough with….. Dinah Mo Hum…. ;)

  • Tony Newbill

    The indictment of Congress to ask the hard questions of the Obama Administration is Needed or the Fall of the Republic is Eminent !!! The Contempt that Congress is showing for the peoples Rule of Law by Not Holding Public hearings NOW On the questions that Beck talks about in this Video is why we the people need to Indict Congress on Contempt of US Constitutional Law !!! And Contempt for the Peoples Fiscal Business on Not Making Sure Our Nation is ran on a Budget , its Been 4 Years without a Fiscal Direction let along how our economy is to pay for this massive Debt thats Been how these Elected People we have Running the Nation have been running our Nation Into the ground , enough is enough and Now its time to Indict them all !!!!!

    After Listening to Glen Beck in this Video ,
    , there is this question that’s needs to be asked in a Court of Law , even a United Nations Court of Law , Like where is Our UN Ambassador in Calling for Inquiries into this Breakdown in security and destabilization in the Areas ??? !!! Oh that’s right Ambassador Rice is caught up in this Breakdown and is Compromised , man what a Mess !!!!

    There are humanitarian Crimes here that are Not being followed regarding the rights in Regions of the Middle east because of these Lack of Actions to Up hold the Security of the Security detail in charge of the Stabilization of the Involvement in countries in the Middle east which is Now leading to the Destabilization of the religion with Radical Dictatorships springing up like Egypt !!

    Was it the Interest of the CIA to silence this Detail at the Libyan Embassy for what they were Involved in running weapons and whatever else here Beck is detailing and this was the perfect way to accomplish this needed goal so that there would never be a Leak of this Knowledge of involvement in the Arming and interaction with the enemy of the USA named al Qaida ??
    The American People desire Action and the right to Know what happened here , there are Issues here that relate to National Security that this kind of Breakdown can lead to Massive Breaches in Economic stabilization a national Security threat if the Destabilization in the middle east leads to Hostile takeovers of the 40 % of worlds Oil supply that Travels through the Suez Canal !!! This would open the door to World Oil prices unsustainably inflating and causing Obama to have to nationalize the Free Markets in the USA and all due to This dereliction of duty to Up hold the Security Interest of the USA and United Nations Charter under Humanities rights and issues related to that !!!

    • mark

      Were already had a referendum on all this, Tony, and the Republicans lost badly. Obama will be our president until Jan 20, 2017. Get used to it.

      • Motov

        Unless we are lucky enough to impeach the bastard, Voter fraud, and a host of other violations of the Constitution, he should be facing a firing squad for his crimes against the USA.

      • eddie47d

        Motov;Unless one of you extreme right wing nutcases decide to assassinate him which has been advocated on this site and in the public realm. I would take those threats more serious than some of the things you claim.

      • Deerinwater

        I hope that you devote the next 4 years trying. Seems the least you can do if you think you have a case. ~ That should keep you busy and out of the way for awhile.

      • Motov

        The whole system is corrupt, Congress won’t do it, They need to be replaced, The Supreme Court won’t do it, until We get people in there who believe in the Constitution,
        It won’t happen. Corruption has been their way of life for so long, it has become the normal way things get done. It is up yo US to raise their standards of living.
        We must make them accountable for the laws they break. We cannot trust criminals to enforce the laws they make everyone else follow but themselves.

      • Deerinwater

        quote;” Corruption has been their way of life for so long, it has become the normal way things get done. It is up yo US to raise their standards of living.
        We must make them accountable for the laws they break. We cannot trust criminals to enforce the laws they make everyone else follow but themselves.”

        Well this is all true and we are trying harder today than in the past to address this corruption. 43′s administration was fraught with lack of oversight, from a “rubber stamp Attorney General office to a scandalous inert Securities and Exchange Commission.

        In eight years the “Good ole boy system” installed many a rotten apple into government positions to compliment the rotten apples that were already serving in government position. If you think about it, it’s easy to understand how this could have happen over 8 years time. Today we have harvested the fruits of this “business as usual” ~of this rotten apples gang.

        If you will look, you find that every week a bad apple has been cornered and is being brought to justice and subjected to his rights of trial. This effort is ongoing as we speak. Much is afoot in ferreting out white collar criminals today.

        There is still enough of them in places of power and position to where they offer their influence, to the likes of John McCain or ambulance chasers like Rupert Murdock spreads their message via mass media to halt the current administration efforts to clean up the HILL by casting false illusions of the administrations abilities and intentions, seeding contempt and doubt.

        It would be foolish to think that such powerful men would slip out quietly in the night as now they feel “entitled” They fight back the best way they can ~ attempting to sway public opinion against the forces that is leading this attack against them. They don’t sleep as well these days with this attack on corruption unfolding all around them.

        Are you willing to be “Foxed” for another year?

        I would hope not, but I dare say, ~ most will. ~ Change is not something humans are keen on and for those that claim to be “conservatives” , they are impervious to change, leaving Rupert in business spreading news, weather, sports and horse manure in 5 languages, world wide with running caption 24/7. Rupert only like a pole dancer and a 2 dollar steak to capture everyone’s attention.

      • Kate8

        deer – I agree that Fox is another propaganda outlet, but if you think that any of the other news sources are better, you are not getting the picture.

        There is so much that the liberal MSM does not report…Which is quite obvious by the ingorance of the Leftis posters here. They are less informed than those who watch Fox.

        And both sides distort the truth beyond recognition.

        Pointing your finger at Fox is no different than laughing at MSNBC or CNN, or the alphabet channels. They report nothing with any real significance except to skull-plug.

      • Deerinwater

        Kate says; “Pointing your finger at Fox is no different than laughing at MSNBC or CNN, or the alphabet channels. They report nothing with any real significance except to skull-plug.”

        If all that you allow “in” is Fox News, I could see how you would think that would be so Kate

        Fox is a mouth piece for a party affiliation that attempts to make the claim that it represents most Americans by virtue of rating systems and popularity whole offers news weather and sports and vivid colors , attractive personalities and running caption.

        This coupled with an attractive cable package while in October 11, 2009 New York Times article, Fox articulated that its hard-news programming runs from “9 a.m. to 4 pm and 6 to 8 pm on weekdays” and “[is] objective”; however, “it makes no such claims for its other broadcasts” which primarily consist of editorial journalism and commentary.

        Fox News is the only News media outlet today that offers no accounting to the objective of editorial journalism and commentary Kate, making Fox different from all others.

        Well Katie, beside the fact that one is representing news that related and supports the current American administration and the other ” attempts” to create a ruse to make people believe it supports the majority of voting Americans today while in fact their are supporting party affiliation, special interest and the corruption of Capital Hill, you are correct Katie.

        Foxed News supported W’s administration until the bitter end, only beginning to wane slightly in support in early of 1998, while they have openly attacked the current administration before Obama took the oath of office February of 2009.

        While that is not to suggest there is no scandalous activity taking place in the House or Senate on behalf of both parties. For clearly that is while is desire to hold the current administration responsible for every foul deed that is committed during it’s tenure is most understandable. While in truth, in doing so we serve ourselves poorly in the process.

        Case in point, ~ No President alive or dead has every Marshaled the forces of weather or what people might do when comforted with inconvenient news. ~ The people of New Orleans confront with Katrina bearing down on them acted unwisely. While it might be said that the Bush administration was caught flat footed and unprepared can be a just and fair statement, That FEMA was most recent headed under the newly created office of Home Land Security, was indeed lacking and unprepared.

        Yet that said, ~ The President and the Federal government was never intended to take the place of prudent personal judgement and be everybody’s Daddy. While many attempt to blame a sitting administration for their misfortune was unrelenting with contrived blame.
        GW Bush got a black eye for his efforts while it was not entirely his fault. In fact ,very little fault was his ~ if you wish to ignore the question of the need and scope of Home Land Security. ( wish is another issue that could be debated)

        Fox was launched on October 7, 1996 to 17 million cable subscribers. It grew during the late 1990s and 2000s to become the dominant cable news network in the United States. In 2010, its programs took the top ten spots for most-watched cable news programs in the 25–54 age demographic, and the top twelve spots among total cable news program viewers.

        In February 1996, after former U.S. Republican Party political strategist and NBC executive[15] Roger Ailes left cable-television channel America’s Talking (now MSNBC), Murdoch asked him to start Fox News Channel. Ailes demanded five months of 14-hour workdays and several weeks of rehearsal shows before its launch on October 7, 1996.

        During the September 11, 2001 attacks, Fox News was the first news organization to run a news ticker on the bottom of the screen to keep up with the flow of information that day. The ticker has remained, informing viewers about additional news which reporters may not mention onscreen and repeating news mentioned during a broadcast; it has proven popular with viewers.

        Most programs are broadcast from Fox News headquarters in New York City (at 1211 Avenue of the Americas), in its streetside studio on Sixth Avenue in the west wing of Rockefeller Center. The remaining programs are broadcast from Fox News’s Washington, D.C. studio, located on Capitol Hill across from Union Station in a secured building shared by a number of other television networks (including NBC News and C-SPAN).

        In an October 11, 2009 New York Times article, Fox articulated that its hard-news programming runs from “9 a.m. to 4 pm and 6 to 8 pm on weekdays” and “[is] objective”; however, it makes no such claims for its other broadcasts, which primarily consist of editorial journalism and commentary.

      • Kate8

        Deer – So, just what IS your point? I still say that they are all part of the same misinformation campaign. I mean, they are all owned by the same corporations. You just have the leftwing media, and Fox is only different in that they are geared toward conservatives who still believe there is any major media outlet who looks out for them.

        I do not watch Fox nor any of the other major media. Why waste my time? I don’t trust ANY OF THEM.

        I do take exception with your assertion that liberals are the majority. We all know that is so not true. They just make the most noise and do the most activism, as well as cheat the most. We all know the election was a sham. Liberal voters just seem like the majority by requiring no ID so we have no way to know how many times they voted, or whether they had a right to vote at all.

        Don’t bother refuting this. It’s a given that you will. But we know it’s true, and so do you deep down.

        I say that most Americans are pro-freedom and of conservative bent. We cannot count the vast numbers of immigrants who reside here to siphon off the system, and who vote. They are not of true American stock, and do not possess the spirit of our (once great) Republic.

        Again, we have liberals to thank for this.

      • Deerinwater

        You are correct , Kate , I will respond ~ You use the term “LIBERAL” too liberally. It;s like some big catch-all box of all the things that your believe that you are not and hence other’s must be.

        While you attempt to tell me that both parties are equally flawed, ~ why then this HUGE liberal box that you attempt to fill with everything that seems to offend?

        If we might stop this insidious effort to demonize and demagogue political affiliations with language that does not fit the values and concepts, we just might get somewhere with this “accounting process” that you are attempting to make.

        I would agree with your notion that there are probably more conservative Americans then any other group ~ but as you yourself has admitted, the GOP today does not represent them all. This using of the term conservative to represent an absolute and Liberal to represent an opposite absolute ~ quit frankly does not offer the language to confront and address complex issues.

        As for the vote ~
        I do not believe in the single vote itself as being somehow manipulated in numbers that offer margins of concern. ~ While I know for a fact, that the popular vote and the electoral vote both is attempting to be manipulated by special interest and politician with money, rules and media coverage, redistricting, limiting voting hours, days. ~ It took days for Florida to get the vote in Thanks to the efforts of a GOP Governor. I look forward to seeing him pack his bags.

        As for the GOP
        I refuse to be a part of the GOP ~ I will not accept the direction that it offers American today. ~ The GOP does not have the Average Americans best interest at heart as they pander to crony capitalism, and corporate greed and hunger for more power that can never, ever be satisfied. As a nation of people we might well finally arrive there, cash cows for the elite ~ but for myself ~ I’m not ready to go there. Therefore I am a conservative democrat not willing to accept the GOP parcel and sum.

        Now you might refuse to accept the DNC direction, ~ fine! good ~ but why. ~ morals, ~ right to life? ~ These are the wedge issues ~ that you are allowing to divide us. It’s the man behind the curtain pulling his strings motivation you into action.

        I’m not asking you to be anything other then be true to your convictions , while I am asking you to use language that is possible that we might work with.

        While you have already told us,I quote; “Kate say; ” I would identify with true conservative values for the most part, which has nothing to do with politics. It is a way of life.”

        Kate say; ” And I don’t care how any one else chooses to believe or live, as long as they don’t try to impose on my natural rights.”

        If this statement be true Katie, allow the Church to do it good works and let our Government do the works of the people, protecting our sovereignty and defending the bill of rights for all citizens and not a select few.

        And this paid Troll accusation, Kate~ you wound me. ~ I’m not even a troll much less paid!

        I’m a citizen that has for the moment ~ time to spare while I ready could be doing something more self reward ~ spending time with family or friends. ~ I could craft some dull reports or invoice Ms. Walker plumping job. ~ a $120.00 buck just waiting on me to craft an invoice. ~ I don’t always have such time to squander ~ but I do enjoy this and our little visits.

      • Kate8

        Deer – If the government would stick with defending our borders, our sovereignty and our Bill of Rights, I’d be happy with it. Unfortunately, the nature of government is to grow and grab power until it becomes a bloodsucking beast. And it does it all in the name of “compassion” and “fairness”. Except, those things are never it’s job.

        I’m puzzled about how you so blame the GOP for all of our ills when the democrats have held power for the vast majority of the past century. Communism has ushered in on the wings of the democrat party. The GOP no longer even tries to slow them down, but has completely caved. Out of fear and threats, no doubt. Bucking Obama has proven hazardous to ones health.

        That said, I still say that the 2 party system consists of two heads of the same beast.

        Living in CA, I’ve seen what the democrats have done to my state. We’ve gone from being beautiful, prosperous (one of the leading economies of the world) to being overrun with illegal immigrants, having become a welfare state with once thriving cities little more than crime-ridden hell-holes, businesses fleeing faster than a speeding bullet… and here we are, in collapse. We were thriving when we were a red state, and now this, thanks to the democrats taking over.

        When Gray Davis (D) became governor, he took the surplus left by Ronald Reagan and Pete Wilson and in nothing flat we were deep in deficit. We’ve never revived, but have plunged deeper and deeper into debt and misery. And still, the democrats can only see to continue to raise taxes on the struggling populace to cover their appetite for big spending of what we don’t have.

        That you try to sell me on the notion that the Republicans have created our nations troubles is a no-go with me. You listen to too much leftwing news.

        Both parties have to go. We have become a one-party system, anyway, and it is wholly corrupt.

      • Deerinwater

        Kate say; “We were thriving when we were a red state, and now this, thanks to the democrats taking over.” ( Speaking of California)

        I say; ~ I see the core of your contempt now Katie. ~ I can only imagine how you might feel. California’s problems are regional problems and not indicative of but a few of the other 51 states.

        That you would blame your states fall from such great heights on just democrats is understandable but not very realistic. Being a native Texan and lived in Texas border towns on both side of the river on and off over the years affords me some notion of what California is being assaulted with.

        The USA has occupied and taken undeveloped, barley inhabitable land by an indigenous Central American people and made it thrive and beautiful with hard work, and investment and the Mexican people have said , This is nice, Gracia , mucho gusto, I’ll invite my friends and family up to share this wonderful land you have created for us. Yo is mue mucho tavaho aque ,I will help you No? fruit picking, concrete work, roofing and domestic opportunities that pays well and they can stay in the spare bedroom closet and sleep in Antonio old car that has no motor parked out back with the dog. Rosa can sleep with me and the boys can sleep on the floor.

        After 50 years of this, ~ it does become a serious problem. ~ The civil unrest in Mexico over recent years has compounded this problem. The Mexican people have been able to pass through our borders like water through a screen door.

        This is a very long topic with many facets to it ~ so just put it all in your liberal box and feel justified that you have made the correct decision and blamed all the right parties.

        The GOP likes the cheap labor, hell, everybody does, but the GOP does not like DNC voters. The GOP party will never support any immigration reform but they will built a pretty fence and then fail to install the gate somewhere around Arizona. The GOP only bring forward immigration reform when they are out of the Oval Office.

        I feel your pain Katie, ~ it must be a sad thing to see happen over a single lifetime. I’ve only been through California as points of exit and entry during my brief military career. She must have been pretty in her heyday.

        In as far a political dominance, ~ over the most recent 30 years, GOP administrations have dominated while you speak of the last 100 years. In-fact President Reagan called California home and was responsible for sweeping government reform that seriously affected all these United States ~ why didn’t he serve his own state well? ~ He held the power, he had the opportunity and clearly there was the need?

        So why is it just the Democrats that affords you misery Katie?

        I am not attacking Republicans as you say, Katie, ~ I’m defending democrats ~ There is a difference . ~ If you were not attacking, there be no need to defend ~ but then ~ what would we talk about then?

        • Jeff

          Loved you on “Homeland” last night. California’s problems began with Prop. 13 in 1978. We used to invest in education in a big way. The University of California system was really cheap when I went to school in the 70s; it now costs a fortune to attend. Even the State University System, which was practically free, is now pricey. And K-12 has been negatively impacted as well. Prop. 13 also added fuel to the overheated real estate boom, leaving millions of homeowners under water in their houses.

          Fortunately, California now has a legislature with the Democrats firmly in control. You need that here as it takes a super-majority to pass a budget but only a majority to amend the State Constitution on a ballot initiative. And some of the worst get passed in off-year elections (like Prop. 13 in 1978) when Republicans make up a disproportionate share of the electorate.

          The Governor’s tax increase proposals were just passed by the voters. You should hear the screams from the right wing radio jocks! But there’s too much inherent value in California for it not to come back – despite the Republicans.

  • Elton Robb

    The democrat channel?

    • Ted Crawford

      Progressive Channel if you prefer or Socialist, Communist, Marxist, they are an equal opportunity Leftist group!

      • mark

        Right, and their candidate overwhelming won. While Romney, Ron Paul, and Gary Johnson woke up this morning as the same insignificant, inconsequential politcial losers they have always been.

      • Average Joe

        Apparently they aren’t as “insignificant” as you would have us believe…you keep mentioning them…thereby emboldening them….thanks so much for helping to keep thier message alive and well.
        Feel free to Open Mouth….and switch feet……..


        Allow me to laugh at you now…before you reply with something sillier than you already have…..Bwahahahahahaha!

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        That’s a good point AJ. Though mark refers to them as insignificant and inconsequential, yet oddly enough, they always seem to be at fore-front of his comments! Not to mention he takes great pain in correctly spelling their names. A sign of respect, perhaps?

      • Average Joe

        Wake The Sleepers(Jay) ,

        I don’t think it is out of respect, so much as it is about fear. The government scare tactics work primarily on weak (liberal) minds and once something scares them, they obsess over it…whether terrorists or anything else that they don’t understand….they become gripped with fear of…the boogeyman……


      • eddie47d

        Are you serious Joe Average? “Liberals”! Its the Republicans who chastise Obama for NOT talking up terrorism all the time. Its the Conservative who have been pushing the terrorist threat 24/7. Its the Republicans ( except for Ron Paul) who enthusiastically endorsed the Patriot Act to deal with terrorists. It was Gingrich who lambasted anyone who wasn’t gung ho on the terrorist issue, (The Cell). He advocated more military style actions (SWAT teams and armour) in the US. Gingrich is the Joe McCarthy of today and sees enemies under every rock. That your overzealous and obsessive bogeyman king.

      • Average Joe

        pssst….hey eddie, did you forget that your democrat buddies also signed on to all of this crap as well? None of this stuff has passed soley with Republican votes…they don’t have a majority in the Senate…Dems do and since nothing gets voted on unless Harry allows it on the floor, I would suggest that you reconsider your statement. For your personal edification, I am not a Republican, nor am I a Democrat (some of us actually grew up and out of the left/right pardigm…some of you still haven’t). As for my comment…liberals are simply gullible and believe whatever they are told by thier handlers….conservatives are less likely to buy into the scare tactics created by the government ( both sides of the isle). The scare tactics are provided by both sides….not one or the other…BOTH.


      • eddie47d

        I don’t see anywhere where you have left the Republican/Democrat paradigm and are lose with facts to boot!

    • Roger

      Democrat channel – Any channel that is NOT Fox News

  • hangman

    Hey, Brazzos, if you get your head out of Ben’s behind, you might not notice the smell.

  • nickkin

    That picture that Ben has showing on his video that supposedly is Whoop-woopie…I think that is a pic of Arafart. Let see…..goldberg down the gene lines….ara..arafar….araberg. I wonder!

  • Roy Koch

    Hey Flashy, Go to the Playground and Flash!! What World do the Libs live in?? What is the name of the Planet? Better a Rabid, Right Wing Republican Conservative, than a Commie Idiot, Worshiping a Kenyan Kommie, Lop-Eared Little Tin God! The Goal of Obama is to have “The Poor”– Lazy ,welfare grubbing, Never worked a day in their lives, [Like their "God", King B. Hussein Obama] Dope Dealers and Jack-Men[Robbers] Merge With/Take over the Middle Class. There will be two classes Then, Rich and Poor! All but the Evil Rich will Be Govt. Dependent Recipients. These Evil Men will Leave the Country, They’re already Leaving as we speak! WHO, Then,– will Pay the Taxes to Fund King B. Hussein’s Commie Caliphate? By the Way, If you Libs think the Election was Fair, ??– Georg Soros–”DARTH Schwartz” The Nazi- Renegade Jew, -Obama and the Dems “War Daddy”,Owns the Electronic Vote Tabulating Corp, Shytle. Lets see, –Rigged Machines, Opposition counting the votes,No voter IDs required, Massive Numbers of Wet-Back and Somalian Illegal Voters, Bussed in and Voting, in All White Precincts, -Black Panthers at the Polls, Republican Poll Watchers Thrown Out, We Are the New Soviet Socialist Republic!!

    • Motov

      You forgot the planned baby trashers,… I mean parent-hoods. BTW soon you will discover that the NWO no longer need your services, and mandatory vaccinations, with a healthy GMO diet will do the trick to help free up resources for the rest of the working slaves.

    • eddie47d

      Hope you enjoyed your rant Koch? I have a good block of cheese to go along with your whine.

    • eddie47d

      Motov: Wakey Wakey! Almost all GMOs come from Monsanto and Monsanto is a Corporate conglomerate run by Conservatives. Maybe they can do us all a favor and “leave the country” as you said earlier.

      • Kate8

        eddie – Uh…Both sides of the aisle are heavily invested in Monsanto. Both sides of the aisle support GMOs, including Obama. Why do you suppose Moosie is pushing kids to eat their (franken)veggies?

      • Motov

        For your info,… I’m a libertarian conservative, and not a neo-con type.
        I view the neocons like I view the liberals, because both increase the size of government, both shred the constitution and both are owned by the Bilderbergs,..
        I’m for massive shrinkage of our way over bloated government. That alone will go a long way in bringing down the costs of our government. I am also for restoring the Constitution as the LAW of our land, meaning our President needs to prove he is eligible to even hold that office, and not with forged documents, SSN numbers coming from states he never resided in, thinks there are 57 states, (And he graduated from college?) Doesn’t have a clue about economics, or only knows how to destroy it.
        The only “jobs” he has created are more government jobs, accelerating our debt rate, and expanding corruption. Both parties are guilty. The Shrub was not a good president.
        But he’s no longer running the show, OhBozo is, because we are stupid enough to vote for “the lesser of 2 evils” instead of someone who is not backed by the Bilderbergs.
        You are the one who needs to wake up.
        Our government is not our’s but owned and operated by the very people who Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln warned us about.

      • Karolyn

        Did you know that Clarence Thomas was a Monsanto attorney?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – So, what’s your point? Monsanto has plenty of Leftis attorneys, too. They are supported by Congress and Obama, too.

        What part of “both sides of the aisle” don’t you get? We’ve been sold out by ALL OF THEM, Karolyn. Finger pointing has only one purpose: to keep us divided.

      • eddie47d

        Sure gets silly around here Karolyn. I love all the Republican deniers yet they still go to bat for them.

      • eddie47d

        Does Kate really know that Michelle is “forcing” kids to eat “franken veggies”? I personally have no idea which schools or homes serve GMO products since most companies won’t label said products.Hopefully Kate can prove such a statement because she always insists she is factual.

      • Kate8

        Since Michelle has been on this NAZI food campaign, forcing children to eat certain foods of their choice over the choices of the parents; and since over 80% of the produce in American is now GMO (and growing); and since Obama is wholly behind Monsanto and GMOs, and behind Agenda 21 and population reduction….C’mon. It’s not rocket science.

      • eddie47d

        With all that flowing out of Kate 8′s mouth then she must positively be a Fascist headhunter and if I made that claim about her it must be true. No rocket science needed. Conjecture Kate 8 nothing but CONJECTURE!

      • Motov

        The only time Christ got “violent”was when he tossed out the money changers from the Temple, which is equivalent to today’s “Feds” or the “Ultimate banker” since they wield the power of issuing currency, These “den of vipers” as Christ called them, are the worst in humans, they have no conscience, don’t care who gets hurt as long as the are “raking in the wealth” They NEED the IRS to do a full audit on. Presidents, congress people come and go these people stay.

  • http://midcontent beand inspector

    Susan Rice is just more congenital lying coming from the maddrass educatedv /marxist adminisration. Onumnutts can not tell the truth, lead a dog out side to toliet train it, or solve any problem him self. He wants someese to do the jobs that need to be fixed, not off flying somewhere wasting more taxpaters’ money.Rice is just lap pooch of Onumnutts and the socialist/marxist democrat party. No wonder Black Pups and every anti-USA scumbags vote for socialist/marxist dems time after time

  • Norm

    What is it that you are #1 at?
    Being loud, arrogant, untruthful, and obnoxious doesn’t count.

    • Average Joe

      What is it that you are #1 at?”

      Semms that he is pretty good at pissing off lowbrow,knuckle-dragging neandrethal, regressive / liberal’s…like yourself.


      • Norm

        Below average joe
        It’s better to be pissed off than pissed on. Obama took care of the latter.

      • Average Joe

        “Obama took care of the latter”….He’s done that for the last four years to the Nation and the Constitution…and you are just now figuring that out?…..A bit slow on the uptake there Norm? That explains an awful lot….. maybe you can get Cliffy to buy you another beer…..Cheers!


        (Whining isn’t pretty…don’t do it)

  • Norm

    Compared to Congo Rice, Ms. Rice 2 is a saint. It’ all part of politics.

    • Deerinwater

      I liked Condoleezza Rice myself, I feel if it hadn’t been for her constantly pulling George W. chestnuts out of the fire as a “handler” ~ it’s hard to imagine the damage W could have done. A PHD in political science, ~ they don’t give PHD’s away. While if I remember correctly Ms. Rice herself offered us notions of a mushroom cloud that never was to be, she too is guilty of spreading misinformation~ what Mc Same is claiming Anita is guilt of in her current lesser position.

      My feelings are that Anita Rice is equal bright. ~ As far as Head of State, it only rumor that she is being considered and all of this nasty talk is premature and perpetuated by right wing pundits that wish to make headlines ~ feeling neglected and irrelevant to be certain after recent events. Print Whores ~ no more, no less. This current hype is all political fodder to sell print and get the right stirred up and appear relevant once again as they attempt to drive from the backseat.

      What we don’t know about Anita Rice is what should concern us. How does she get alone with piers? Is she persuasive? Can she take a $hit is a flat on hard run and not miss a step? It’s a tough , demanding job and very important job to be considered for.

      Kerry is rumored to be in contention for the slot as well. ~ a man that has paid his dues and served the time, ~ and we know him, or at least I do.

    • Average Joe

      Norm says:
      “Compared to Congo Rice”

      Racist much, Norm?

      Yup….The party of tolerance and understanding (hypocrites).


      • eddie47d

        Norm! Condoleezza Rice may have been George’s damage control agent and she did do a lot of duck and cover for him but cut out the sleazy name calling.

  • fred buschbaum

    When it becomes more important to snipe and snivel at the opposition over your own personal interests than to demand that all elected officials honor their oaths to defend the constitution, bill of rights, and the laws of our republic from all enemies foreign and domestic, Then we as a nation are lost. Those who mistakenly believe hey will be immune to the purges have not read Adolf Hitlers play book. Remember, those documents were written to protect us from the european and asian governments that oppressed people all over the world.

    • Tony Newbill

      Thanks Fred . The Idealogy at work here is acting with their Idea that they Know whats Best for you and me and everyone and all these Academic Scholars are all calling for population controls all over the world and that is always what has followed past Communist movements , and this time is what they call History repeating itself .

  • Norm

    Hitler and his band of merry men far more closly resembled the right wing tea baggers than than they did the current administration. Armed gangsters with extreme social beliefs and little use for the rule of law and the rule of the majority are pretty much neocon virtues.

    • Tony Newbill

      Norm its all the Lefty Technocrats that are calling for population Control Fool !!!!

    • Tony Newbill

      Norm do you know this guy is co Author and associate of Obamas Science CZAR and hes saying you need to be gone to save Earth ,

      • Jeff

        Hey, Schmuck, “this guy” has been world famous since Obama was a toddler so don’t act like you “discovered’ him. Plus, I see no indication he’s an advisor of any kind. He’s 80 now, so you can’t expect him to be quite as “sharp” as a youngster like you.

      • Randy W

        Jeff says: “Plus, I see no indication he’s an advisor of any kind.

        Tony said the man referenced was an associate of Obama’s science czar, John Holdren.

  • Deerinwater

    MY My! such a fine crowd you attract Mr. Crystal ~ you must be proud?

    Have a great weekend everybody, ~ This darn leaves and pecans keep falling, begging address. Where’s squirrels when you need ‘em?


    “Ben Crystal” – SIR, THAT IS YOUR BEST, “Great Eight.”

    • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      I beg to differ, no offence!

  • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    Why study Hegel?

    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…

    “… the State ‘has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State… for the right of the world spirit is above all special priveleges.’” — Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Hegel in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959)

    Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831) was a 19th century German philosopher and theologist who wrote The Science of Logic in 1812. For many historians, Hegel is “perhaps the greatest of the German idealist philosophers.”

    In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels) used Hegel’s theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure.

    The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision for the future.

    Hegel’s dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels’ grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can’t be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda.

    The Marxist’s global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to stop land grabs, privacy invasions, expanded domestic police powers, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. Only then can we be released from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

    When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. Then we become real players in the very real game that has been going on for at least 224 years.

    Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American politicalparties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal.

    The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what’s really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel’s and Engel’s ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

    Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks.

    No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

    • Tony Newbill

      Yes this is a Worldwide effort by the elite ruling class that wants to fundamentally transform the middle Class into the one world order class and chaos is their tool for transition like destabilizing every corner of the world financially that will be on the Chaos they can call a Crisis that they have to remedy .

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Reinventing the World

        Part 1: The Seamless Communitarian System

        Conforming people, schools, corporations, governments and churches to UN standards.

        • Tony Newbill

          And WHO makes up the Majority of United Nations Officials …. UGG Radical Islamists !!!!!

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        The corporate portion of the NWO pyramid seems to be dominated by international bankers and the big pharmaceutical cartels, as well as other major multinational corporations. The Royal Family of England, namely Queen Elizabeth II and the House of Windsor, (who are, in fact, descendants of the German arm of European Royalty -the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family-changed the name to Windsor in 1914 ), are high level players, along with the British oligarchy which controls the upper strata of the Illuminati. The decision making Illuminati nerve centers of this effort are in the London (especially the City of London), Basel Switzerland, and Brussels (NATO headquarters).

        The United Nations, along with all the agencies working under the UN umbrella, such as the World Health Organization (WHO), are full time players in this scheme. Similarly, NATO is a military tool of the NWO.

        The leaders of all major industrial countries like the United States, England, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. (E.g. members of the “G7/G8″ ) are active and fully cooperative participants in this conspiracy. In this century, the degree of control exerted by the Illuminati has advanced to the point that only certain hand-picked individuals, who are groomed and selected by the Illuminati are even eligible to become the prime minister or president of countries like England, Germany, or The United States. It didn’t matter whether Bill Clinton or Bob Dole won the Presidency in 1996, the results would have been the same (except maybe for Zipper Gate ). Both men are playing on the same team for the same ball club. Anyone who isn’t a team player is taken out: i.e.President Kennedy, Ali Bhutto (Pakistan) and Aldo Moro (Italy). More recently, Admiral Borda and William Colby were also killed because they were either unwilling to go along with the conspiracy to destroy America, weren’t cooperating in some capacity, or were attempting to expose/ thwart the Takeover agenda.

        Most of the major wars, political upheavals, and economic depression/recessions of the past 100 years (and earlier) were carefully planned and instigated by the machinations of these elites. They include The Spanish-American War (1898), World War I and World War II; TheGreat Depression; the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917; the Rise of Nazi Germany; the Korean War; the Vietnam War; the 1989-91″fall” of Soviet Communism, the 1991 Gulf War; and the recent War in Kosovo. Even the French Revolution was an orchestrated
        into existence by the Barvaian Illuminati and the House of Rothchild.

      • Mikey

        Thank you Jay, excellent information! Too bad the lefty trolls that infest this site wont get it.

      • Deerinwater

        Why concern yourself with a few lefty’s when half of the rightie’s are failing to see this big picture Kingmasobby?

        Jay has just described activities that few conservatives actually understand or willing to accept. Why throw stones in the Left’s direction when Jay brings it forward for review?

        Such a disjointed reactionary behavior makes little sense.

        If you wish to pick a fight, the lest you might do is know “why”.

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Mickey, thank you for your compliment. However, if you re-read the information i posted, you will come to the painful-realization that most on the “right” don’t get it either!

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Deer: If you wish to pick a fight, the lest you might do is know “why”.

        Precisely, and the whole point behind the articles i posted! TY, Deer!

      • Kate8

        Deer – You claim that you are not a liberal, and yet you continually defend liberals and attack conservatives.

        Methinks you are just another paid troll. You have all of the signs.

      • WTS/JAY

        A song for you, Kate.

        Van Morrison – You Don’t Pull No Punches, But You Don’t Push The River.

  • jopa

    I have been in the Bahamas for the past week and didn’t watch any news so I am not sure about Ben’s introduction today.Was he sampling Glenn Becks urine and other secretions or was all that just a slip of the tongue.I had to go back and listen to it several times and it sounded pretty gross and nasty.Then he went on to claim he is very knowledgeable in the number two scenario and becoming a little too anal for this site..He must be watching more porn than news.

    • Jeff

      I’d say there’s a good reason his “act” is available for free. This guy almost makes Dennis Miller look like a comic.

      • jopa

        Very familiar with Roger Miller who is Dennis Miller??

      • Kate8

        Dennis Miller is an actor/comedian turned Libertarian commentator/talk show host.

        Roger Miller – old singer of songs such as “King of the Road” and “Chug-a-lug”?

  • Tunaman


    • Nadzieja Batki

      The difficulty is only yours since you have difficulty making decisions in what you believe. Sit yourself down and do some heavy cud chewing of ideology to determine what makes up your character and beliefs.
      As to your sentence about “You had better be right with “God” and not fallin’ man!!!”, what you are saying is that all should be quiet because you say so. Evil loves it when people don’t speak up or confront it.

  • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    The Science Behind the Social Sciences

    The most popular social sciences – sociology and psychology – were conceived as sciences but do not resemble science in its popular conception, except in one respect – revelation was rejected as a source of knowledge.

    Each expands with every new theory postulated alone or attached to an observational and/or statistical study. But there is little science underlying all their vast proclamations. Innumerable definitions, generalizations, abstractions, and assumptions mask the truth that most of their causal constructions are hypothetical.

    These social sciences were established and staffed by Progressives and became their scholarly haven.

    The two most influential foundational thinkers were sociologist Max Weber and psychologist Sigmund Freud.

    In the German tradition, Max Weber wrote convoluted sentences typically over ten lines long and invented or redefined words. He coined “Protestant ethic” and “lifestyle,” and helped change the definition of “charisma.” With his definition, charismatic authority became the new force for change within any given organization.

    Weber studied all the great religions, the resulting economies, and the values they promoted. When he claimed that all religions were myths, their values became relative. This led decades later to the Values Clarification approach used in our public schools today.

    Weber was an antipositivist who thought ethos must reject what reason demands because of the widespread irrationality of society. In Economy and Society, he wrote, “Under the conditions of mass democracy, public opinion is communal conduct born of irrational ‘sentiments.’ Normally it is staged or directed by party leaders and the press.”

    He also wrote, “We know of no scientifically ascertainable ideals. To be sure, that makes our efforts more arduous than in the past, since we are expected to create our ideals from within our breast in the very age of subjectivist culture.”

    Freud was also concerned with the irrational. He searched the unconscious for answers to our brutal behaviors. He used the German term for “soul,” but his conception was godless. To Freud religion was myth.

    The British psychoanalyst, James Strachey, seemed justified when he mistranslated Freud’s “soul” as “mind” – leading British and American psychologists felt psychology should be categorized as a medical science, and the “soul” was distinctly unscientific. Strachey’s translation redefined Freud with a spurious scientific consistency, typical of Progressive deception.

    Sigmund Freud had a poor view of the masses of humanity, with their untreated neuroses and animal instincts. In The Future of an Illusion, he wrote, “Among these instinctual wishes are those of incest, cannibalism, and lust for killing.”(Projecting, perhaps. -emphasis added)

    Earlier he wrote, “For masses are lazy and unintelligent; they have no love for instinctual renunciation, and they are not to be convinced by argument of its inevitability; and the individuals composing them support one another in giving free rein to their indiscipline.”

    He added, “It is only through the influence of individuals who can set an example and whom masses recognize as their leaders that they can be induced to perform the work and undergo the renunciations on which the existence of civilization depends.”(Meaning: only he, and others of similar ilk were fit to oversee and govern man-kind, of course. -emphasis added)

    When psychologists observe and describe human behavior, they resemble scientists, but when they explain human behavior, they propagate hypothetical opinion.

    Several observations are apparent: The more popular psychology becomes, the more widespread our problems have become. The more couples are referred to marriage counselors, the worse our divorce rate gets. Our problems are not being solved by our psychologists or the pop-promoters of this pseudoscience, like Abby and Ann Landers.

    There could be a simple reason: If God exists, much of the social sciences become theoretical nonsense, which means society is harmed by their neglect of “the soul” and their mockery of religion.

    The Frankfurt School

    Another ominous event occurred in 1933. With the rise of Nazism, the “Frankfurt School” fled Germany, settled in Geneva for a year, and then temporarily relocated to New York City as an affiliate of Columbia University. Founded by Marxists in 1923 as the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University, it was modeled on the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow.

    Their philosophy built upon Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche and his radical successor, Martin Heidegger, who carried forward much of Nietzsche’s extremism into the 20th Century. Their social sciences relied on Freud and Weber. And they drew upon the revolutionary theories of Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci and Hungarian Socialist Georg Lukacs.

    Gramsci was shocked that the Bolshevik Revolution didn’t inspire their oppressed fellow workers in Europe to rise up in rebellion. While in a prison cell, he discovered that Judeo-Christian values was the problem and must be destroyed before revolution was possible.

    Gramsci called for a methodical approach to infiltrate, capture, and reform education, the press, the cinema, theatre, the government, and the church, what he called “the long march through the institutions.” He said Capitalism had a cultural hegemony through violence and coercion, both political and economic, but also ideologically, which is where the battle lay.

    Lukacs, perhaps the most brilliant Marxist theorist of the 20th Century, was more discerning regarding mass uprisings. All the successful revolutions were engineered by a small cadre of intellectuals. In 1922, he met with the early Frankfurt founders for a week in Ilmenau, Germany. A year later, the Frankfurt School was conceived as a think tank that trained agents of change.

    One of the directors, Max Horkheimer, developed Critical Theory as opposed to Traditional Theory. Critical Theory doesn’t offer any solutions. Instead, it criticizes in a concerted attack until it creates an atmosphere of crisis. Crises lead to changes – opportunities to incrementally engineer society towards cultural Marxism.

    The Frankfurt elite, Horkheimer, Erich Fromm, Herbert Marcuse, Wilhelm Reich, Theodor Adorno, Walter Benjamin, and later, Jurgen Habermas, used verbal engineering to facilitate their social engineering. They wrote extensive attacks on the Judeo-Christian institutions and traditions, and redefined them as evils.

    They rebranded the foundational words. “Private property” and “profit” became selfish pursuits. “Individualism,” “personal industry,” and “self reliance” became oppressive, as the world was divided into two types of people, “oppressors” or “victims.” Religion became the greatest evil – a superstition that led to intolerance and war. Nationalism was the second greatest evil and also led to war.

    The Frankfurt School studied the psychological techniques of the Nazis. One result, Adorno and three Berkeley scholars wrote The Authoritarian Personality, which was widely acclaimed by our social scientists. It was later debunked as left wing propaganda. Allan Bloom called it meretricious fabrication. Among other theoretical heresies, it redefined fatherhood as tyrannical. This was a triumph for feminism as women became an oppressed class.

    This verbal engineering set in motion the long march to undermine the love of God, family, and country.

    From 1937 to 1941, Adorno worked for the Radio Research Project alongside future president of CBS, Frank Stanton and three other social scientists. Funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, its purpose was to study the effects of the mass media and develop more effective methods of mass persuasion.

    Meanwhile, Edward Bernays, the premier of propaganda, used his uncle’s psychology – Sigmund Freud’s – coupled with that of B.F. Skinner to create a consumer society. Eventually, the masses became too concerned with their own interests to have time for the deeper concerns, like those of their civilization.

    In 1946, Kurt Lewin, the founder of social psychology, laid the foundation for sensitivity training as he pioneered applied psychology. He fine-tuned the methods that overcame the “resistance to change.” This spawned the National Training Laboratories in 1947, located in Bethel, Maine, far from everyone’s comfort zone. In a group setting, the training takes three steps to change the trainee’s perception. First, they attempt to bypass the natural defense mechanisms and dismantle the “mind set” using peer pressure and other psychological techniques. That leads to the change, a transitional period of confusion. Then the new mind set is “freezed” in step three, and comfort levels return to normal.

    This training disorients the recipient and then reorients them in a relative world. In 1962, in their manual “Five Issues in Training,” the NTL defined their training as, “coercive persuasion in the form of thought reform or brainwashing.” Since then, the NTL has expanded and developed specialized labs for industry, universities, churches, and community organizers.

    Lewin associated with the Frankfurt School scholars, but he was also the director of the
    Tavistock Clinic in 1932.


  • Jim

    Is that woopie’s mug shot?


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