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Hey, Washington—Reconcile This!

March 5, 2010 by  

Hey, Washington—Reconcile This!

Thank goodness for a conference in Scottsdale, Ariz., last week. I had day-long duties as the master of ceremonies—which meant I was not able to watch Barack Obama’s seven-hour healthcare summit on TV.

If you did, please tell me what you thought of it. (If you’ve never joined our comment club before, it’s easy to do. Just go to the end of this Straight Talk column, type in your raves, rants or whatever, and click “Submit Comment.” Assuming your remarks aren’t obscene, you’ll see them posted a few moments later.)

The analysts I trust—and even a few I don’t like—say the whole affair was bor-ing. Apparently our president came across as smug, arrogant and condescending. Do you agree? This doesn’t surprise me; I think that’s pretty much what he’s actually like.

Peggy Noonan, a conservative commentator who is frequently much kinder to our opponents than am I, said of Obama’s manner, “The president has entered a boorish phase.”

But boors don’t win in politics. I’m beginning to wonder if some of the president’s most avid supporters don’t see the handwriting on the wall. (The word they’re seeing is “failure.”)

In the television coverage of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, Obama’s water carriers in the Senate and House, both looked as though they had been sucking on lemons all morning. No jovial, back-slapping, “glad to have you here” gushing for them. It was more like “Line up the victims, boys, and let’s get this execution underway.”

In fact, the New York Times said as much in its coverage the next day. One of its lead stories started this way:

“Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she is confident she will be able to get the votes needed to pass sweeping healthcare legislation in the House, even if it threatens the political careers of some members of her party.

I put that last part in bold italics because I wanted to be sure you saw it—and recognized the significance of it. How would you like to be a moderate Democrat facing a tough reelection battle this November and read those words? Think it might send a chill up your spine?

Nasty Nancy has already lost at least one vote. Representative Marion Berry (D-Ark.) announced last month that he won’t be running for reelection this year. In his remarks, he lambasted the White House for pushing Blue Dog Democrats “into the abyss.” His words, not mine.

One astute analyst of the Washington scene commented thusly:

“The thing to know about President Obama’s health talk-fest is that it had zero to do with Republicans or their ideas. The GOP came, it spiritedly debated, it left. The president never budged. He never intended to.”

Precisely!

If the president had actually meant for the summit to lead to compromise and accommodation he would have said so up front. He knew that every Republican in Washington—not to mention an overwhelming majority of Americans—wants to toss out those two disasters that the House and Senate approved under extreme pressure.

But instead of agreeing to kill those bills and, as the Republicans have insisted, “start with a clean sheet of paper,” the president has made it clear it’s “my way or the highway.”

It was apparent to me long before the summit started that the Democratic leadership had absolutely no intention of achieving a “compromise” with the Republicans. The White House had been dropping hints for days that the president was going to set aside the velvet glove and instead take out his heaviest hammer. In this case, that means endorsing an odd legislative practice called “reconciliation” to get his health-care bill passed by both branches of Congress.

I’ve written about reconciliation before. Basically, it means rigging the rules so that legislation already approved in the Senate by 60 votes can be ratified—when it comes back from a House-Senate conference committee—by a simple majority.

Normally, neither side would attempt this parliamentary slight-of-hand when major changes have been made in a bill. But apparently the powers-that-be in the Democratic camp have decided that this is the only way they’re going to get Obamacare passed this year. So the heck with precedent, the public, or the outraged cries of the opposition. It’s “damn the torpedoes, guys, full speed ahead.”

In an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal, former Senator Majority Leader Bill Frist wrote that using “reconciliation” to get Obamacare approved would be “an unprecedented, dangerous and historic mistake.”

Actually, Bill, I kind of hope they’ll go for it. I can’t imagine anything the Obamacrats could do that would stir up the opposition more than to cram this odious piece of legislation down our throats. You think the Tea Parties, town hall meetings and other gatherings have shown some spirited opposition? You ain’t seen nothin’ compared to what will happen if this happens. It’s going to take a lot more than a few hundred million in Cornhusker kickbacks to bully this bill through Congress. It’s going to take a few dozen acts of political suicide.

We’ve already seen the first sign that the deal is breaking down. Both Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are insisting that the other one be the first to bring the bill up for a vote. Watching them toss this hot potato back and forth would be amusing, if the situation weren’t so serious. (Actually, it’s pretty amusing even so.)

I’m sure many of you are getting all sorts of anxious emails from all of sorts of conservative groups, organizations and coalitions urging you to “write your Senators” and “call your Congressman.” Far be it from me to dissuade you—even though you can be certain they already know their constituents don’t like this sleazy effort to socialize medical care in this country.

Instead of telling them to “just say no,” how about we try a little legislative ju-jitsu here? Ask your elected representatives to support an amendment by Representative John Fleming (R-La.) that would require all members of Congress and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health plan.

I can’t think of anything that would get these pompous planners to switch sides faster. They already know—as most of their constituents do not—that they have exempted themselves from most of the legislative shackles they’ve been so eager to foist on us. Enough of this “some pigs are more equal than others.” Let’s level the playing field and see how they like it.

As soon as we get Fleming’s amendment passed, let’s take away their fancy pensions and force them to join Social Security and Medicare. That will teach them to fuss with our freedoms!

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Nanette Olson

    I didn’t watch it either because I knew it would just be more of Obama’s lies. In calling the summit, Obama thought he was digging a pit for the Republicans to fall in, but instead Obama and his Obamacrats have dug the pit for themselves. The whole summit thing was a big joke and only shows that Obama has no leadership ability.

    • David

      I listened to about half of it off and on throughout the day and it was very amusing because the Republicans did come to the table with viable solutions and would not let obama interrupt them with his double speak. Heck even CNN liked it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYkAVtiarRY&feature=player_embedded

      • denniso

        Reconciliation is not ‘rigging the rules in the senate’, it is one of the rules itself. And the Repubs used it many times under Bush for major legislation….be honest.

        • Marty

          Who cares what has “gone on before “? The point is that Obama
          and his minions are determined to shove a disastrous bill they are
          calling a “healthcare” bill (but it is so much more…encroaching on
          every facet of our constitutional freedoms)down our throats with total
          disregard of what responsible Americans want or need. THIS should be
          our focus….not who did what, or to whom, at some other time! This is part of our problem…while Obama etc.remain focused on their goals and objectives, Reps are running all over the place, trying to put out this small fire and that burning building, while there is a HUGE forest fire burning that will eventually destroy everything in its’path. We need
          to stay focused, people!

          • Norm

            Marty
            When The Republicans use it, it’s “a thing of the past”. When the Dems use it its jamming something down our throats. Double standard???

          • zack

            norm has anybody ever told you, you are an idiot? Well you are an idiot

          • AM

            Perfect, why should we learn from the past?
            I guess you’ve been to the government web sites and read the bills that have been passed?

          • Jana

            This is way too important to ram down the American public’s throat. Everyone is acting like its going to take place next year. This isn’t even going to go into effect for several years, yet we will all be paying for it NOW.

            Not only that but bo has promised us that our electric rates are going up considerably, and that the coal industry was going to die. Unemployment is still unmentionable. Our pompous Congressmen have stated that we only lost 36,000 jobs last month and they think this is good. Sure they do, they still have their jobs, as well as their raises that they got in January.

            Obama, fix the economy first. Remember the old cry that used to be shouted out? “IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID” Well, it’s till the economy stupid, and I am talking to Obama and the lefties.

          • JC

            AM Heres a lesson from the past narrated by Ronald Reagan:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

        • Cathy

          Yeah, for the tax cuts…but this is something that will affect every single person in this country. You’re talking about 1/6th of the GNP. That’s huge. Their arrogance is what is pissing me off in that they think they know better than us. Add to that…the majority of Americans DO NOT WANT this “health care,” which is nothing more than CONTROL. What part of NO don’t they understand?

          • Norm

            Cathy
            Tax cuts didn’t effect everybody in the country? Look at the Bush deficits.

          • john

            Norm, you moron, tax cuts don’t cause deficits, spending does.

          • Tom

            So John says Tax cuts don’t cause deficits. Let’s try an example. If John’s job got sent to China because, as President Bush said, “Outsourcing is good for America,” leaving John with no income, how much will his bank account continue to grow?

          • Mike

            Cathy, you couldn’t have been more to the point! Idiot Libs view this as a “tit for tat”, and an opportunity to get theirs. Well, they’ll get theirs, if this bill passes.

            For those who are awake, know the disease is not the free markets.
            It’s the wolves in sheeples clothing, the almighty INSURANCE COMPANIES, who are the problem. The cure~ Get rid of Insurance Companies all together, and get the costs back in line to where they were historically, that is, up until I.C. came in the picture and screwed things up. We already have medical programs for the poor.

            Insurance Companies are directly responsible for driving prices through the roof, and making $BILLIONS$ along the way. And, to top it off, they get to decide who will get care and who will not. Who needs them!

            Medical services are already offered to all. What makes it unavailable, is the sky-rocketing costs for those services (inflation not considered).

            Doctors and hospitals raise their prices HIGH, as a result of I.C. negotiating the prices down to low levels that are unsustainable to expand care, or even stay in business!

            Those who do not have insurance, are the real victims of this I.C. scam! Many go bankrupt! Are we that dumb that we allow there to be a middleman between us and the right to get proper care!

            It is not the Dr. who would ever turn us down for a procedure. However, Insurance Companies would do it in a second. Don’t forget that! All in the name of profit.

            Now, the goverment is forcing us to get that insurance, or get fined, or even go to jail. How insane is that! That’s tyranny! This goverment needs to go!

            Enough is enough! The people have spoken!! However, corrupt politician are still pushing it, even though they know it’s political suicide. This means they have been bought! Vote, all who helped pass this, out of office this fall…and take away their benefits!

          • Jana

            Sure Tom, so bo decides to make government bigger and spend spend and spend some more, put us into a bigger debt than ever before, add 7000 more government jobs last month, and that makes sense to you?

            What are people thinking with now days?

          • SiliconDoc

            They have to try to shove it through by any marxist means possible before the NEXT financial crisis hits with the crushing A R M commercial loans on commercial properties starts hitting mid year.
            The people who predicted the first one have predicted the second one coming mid year and the MSM has barely peeped about it.
            So the next giant ax is going to fall, and the commies want this in place before that happens so they can more fully implement the new world order – COMMUNISM with a “pretty, modern, regulated, computer controlled, reamed to the hilt, not so private – private sector ” that they can continuously suck the blood out of and claim their new system of soviets for all is an astounding success.
            That’s what is really going on.
            When the world financial breakdown happens, all those kensyian commies that made certain it would, will be ready to jump for their party comrade spots where they can praise themselves forever while sucking in the govey tax dollars till the day they croak and beyond, while making multi million dollar blood sucking deals for themselves and all their commie friends.
            They have a real chance of pulling it off, because they are starting on the (once firm) foundation of free market capitalism.
            Their success will stand on how much blood they suck, how quickly, and how well they manage to morph the minds and hearts of the populace to their new world order.

          • JC

            Absolutely right Doc. They have an agenda and its on a timer for damned good reason.

        • George McMurtry

          Lets get one thing straight denniso, reconciliation has never been used for anything except reconciling budgetary items within a bill. It has never been used to pass significant new legislation and was never meant to. This bill is between 1/5 and 1/6 or our entire economy AND it is unconstitutional, this belongs to the States, not the Feds. Read the Constitution. This is as illegal as Welfare, Medicare and Jimmy Carter’s Department of Education. Thank God America has finally awakened and we will undo what the progressive movement has shoved down our throats for the last century.

          • AM

            let’s get this straight, George: Reconciliation is being used to merge the house and the senate bills, not to pass them. The house and senate have already passed their bills.
            And by all means, lets go back 100 years, you’d love that because a black man wouldn’t have been able to vote let alone be elected to the white house. call it what it is, Geoge, you’re a racist.

          • markk

            Oh yeah and AM is going to play the racist card in here on this.
            We aren’t going back 100 years and guess what, the black man can vote. We aren’t talking about 100 years ago, we’re talking about whats going on now.

          • JC

            Typical Liberal BS. When they haven’t got anything logical to back themselves up with they start hurling insults. And because we have half black President they’ll resort to the race card because it’s all they’ve got. What a bunch of spoiled children.
            Obama’s color is RED…Communist Red. And that’s the only color I see when I look at him.

          • Mike

            AM played the race card! Hahaha Enough said! The boy cried wolf too many times! The House and Senate Bills are not even the same bills. You don’t know history very well, except what serves your agenda! Read a little and come back…Leave your race cards at home! You look like a fool!

          • Mike

            JC
            Oscama is only +6% African. He’s only half when he needs votes! Red is correctly put!

          • Time

            AM or Hi Tim how are you, I see your back to your old self.

          • usmadgirl

            AM,
            Here we go again! Where did you come from & what progressive organization is paying you to come to this site to play the “race card”? You can take your “race card” back from where you came! None of the “regulars” on this site play that game & frankly we’re sick of it! Do you liberals forget that he’s HALF WHITE intentionally so you can use the race thing? The biggest racist is O-dumbo himself because he disowned his own white mother!

            The “reconciliation” has NEVER been used on ANYTHING as huge or as extreme as this Socialist Health Care take-over hoax! Like you’re even here to discuss that! If you can’t bring something to the table besides the “race card”, then you don’t have anything worth straining my eyes to read!

            I’ve had a very bad day & thanks to progressives, I’m having a very bad life so I’m sick of your progressive BS!

        • Jay

          It has been used before,but never in such an extremely important piece of legislation that is one sixth of our economy. If you depend on medicare as I do, how would you like to see your only means of medical care taken apart. Wake up Bud, this bill is all about socializing this country. That is what Obama’s agenda is and it won’t stop with health care. Go to Canada (where I was born) and go to Europe and see how well socialized health care works.

          • Cella

            Wow Jay. you say you have Medicare. Be prepared to start paying more. Most people working do not have health care. Do you expect them to keep paying for seniors while they can’t pay for their own insurance. The hate for this bill is real. Just remember, everyone is going to be paying more because there is no stopping the high cost of insurance and medicine in this country. Everyone is not a senior, and since they now have government run health care the next step is to do away with it. Make everyone go out and buy it from the insurance companies. If you can not pay your own way join the rest of the country. No pay no insurance.

          • Jana

            Cella, these Sr.’s have paid into this all of their lives. I have watched my parents work and work hard to put into Social Security. No, the Government shouldn’t have ever started it, but they shouldn’t have started welfare either on the basis that it is with all of the fraud going on, but it would be wrong to just all of a sudden cut it off like you want to do with Social Security. Evidently with your mindset you have no objections to the death panels that are in the HCRB either. Wow what a sweetheart you are.

        • David

          Go ahead and do it democrats, see what happens. The nuclear option was not designed for power grabs (1/6 of the economy) and paying off unions while creating 30 million illegal voters for your cause. I did not know anyone was as stupid as Harry Reid but I think we have both of them on this blog…..denniso & norm.

          This legislation has zero benefit for Americans….you know the ones who belong here, mind their business, pay taxes, etc.

          • AM

            The nuclear option has nothing to do with reconciliation. they are totally different things. The republicans and their puppets at Fox Noise are LYING about meaning because “nulcear option” sounds more sinister than “reconciliation”.
            FACT: The Republicans created the nuclear option and it is; changing the senate rules to eliminate the filibuster. The republicans used it 5 years ago to prevent the democrats from filibustering Bush’s judicial nominee.

          • Radical RW’er

            AM – you are the first to interject race! I expect no less than the left to start playing the race card. You are PATHETIC! When you run out of logic and reason – call someone racist if they disagree with your opinion. Grow up.

          • JC

            RW….seems like racism is never very far from “their” minds.

          • Mel

            No It’s never far from my mind because I open my eyes. Racism is very recognizable for someone that came from the south. I know exactly what is meant when a whit person calls a black person “upity”
            you ever heard that term used? It’s used by white folks (mostly in my grandparents time) to describe a black person who dresses nice, has an education, and basically makes a mark for him/her self.
            He can say things like “I’m the president” when the pubs are nit picking about hou much time each person has spoken. He is the president and those dumb asses opposing him need to be reminded of that obviously..I am the president so I can say what I want when I want. One of my fav moments of the summit

          • J C

            Thanks Mel for the regressive look into an ugly past. Fortunately the “South” as you’ve described it is pretty much gone. So let’s look at the reality of the 21st century…we have been railroaded into having a President who is ineligible to hold that office. His credentials are “community organizer”. Wow! A guy who has been practising communism at street level is now practising it at White House level. His animosity towards America is about as bald faced as it gets and yet somehow we’re supposed to shut up and be patriotic servant to this “dictator lite”. I don’t think so. And that’s got nothing to do with the color of his skin…it’s the color of his (commie red) politics that should have every patriotic American protesting in the streets.

            As for his being black? Well he is half black correct? So, other than the typical Liberal race card play, I guess the white world has just as much claim on his ethnicity as the black world…so it’s just not an issue…is it?

          • eyewideopen

            JC, dude what country are you living in? KKK dead in south, are you kidding? Just for you, since you are in denial, or on drugs.
            http://www.americablog.com/2010/03/scenes-from-kkk-rally-in-georgia.html
            http://www.sunherald.com/2010/03/07/2006517/bias-incidents-roll-university.html

          • Weavi

            Well said!!! I am also on medicare and for the information of these that think we who are receiving medicare are going for a free ride—we paid for our whole working lives and the money is supposed to be credited to our individual accounts!!! The money would be there if the government had kept their hands off!! Now there isn’t much there but a bunch of IOU’s where the government has used it to balance?? the budget so they could look like a big shot. Now they want to take the money in the medicare and use it to pay for everyone else and give us death panels—I guess this sounds fair to you obamacare fans, but it sounds extremely unfair to the most of us. The government has also brought people to the US and then allowed them to draw social security and they have never paid in a dime—again, is this fair???? Now we are too old to work and they say–sorry, we need the money left in your fund to set up this scam so we can fleece the country—–FAIR???? WE MAY BE TOO OLD TO WORK BUT WE CAN STILL VOTE!!!!!!

        • ScottB

          Danniso,
          Reconciliation is for “BUDGET BILLS”, not a Health Care Bill. Why do you Liberals keep throwing out the false argument that Bush did it, Bush did it, so it is ok for Obama. The proposed Health Care Bill changes everything related to Health Care forever, and needs a clear super majority in order to build consensus in this Country. If the Dems procede with reconciliation, and are succesful, they will rue the day. Republicans will regain power and at that point all bets are off!

          • Marc

            So isn’t that what you want? The Democrats out? What is your beef if doing this accomplishes what you say you want ? Maybe you want them to drop health care and stay in office……getting confused on what you really want…

          • JC

            How about we just get rid of the communists and repeal everything they’ve done? Everything!

          • eyewideopen

            Scott, you are aware that Reagan also used reconciliation when he increasd our SS taxes in 82. Bruce Bartlett a conservative economist stated that Reagan passed the largest tax increase in America history. http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh103103.shtml

        • Brian H

          It was used with bipartisan support, for budget adjustments necessary to get existing bills to work. Never to pass original pieces of legislation, especially controversial ones.

          New territory, new arrogance, new destructiveness.

        • skipfoss

          Sure Bush used it but not to take over half of the control of the country. I thought it was a health care reform and now we find out they are taking over education loans no more private loans for students so that the gov can decide who gets the money to attend college ,it is hard to tell what we will we will find when tis bullshit bill is opened to the public,if it ever really is. I don’t trust Pelosi or the half breed bastard that has taken over everything he can get his Muslim Communist hands on

    • George McMurtry

      What has not been said is the fact that this bill is unconstitutional. If nazi pelosi gets enough DEMs to fall on their swords, it is not over. The States can reject this since it usurps the authority granted to them by the Constitution and its amendments. I believe there are several States that are gutsy enough to follow through with this and then many others will follow. Someone needs to get in obama’s face with the promise that this will happen. Hello! Glenn??

      • http://godzilla8662@yahoo.com Mike Sidman

        Texas has always led the way in “Flipping the Bird” to that cesspool on the Potomac. As California goes, so DOES NOT go the ENTIRE NATION…States like AZ,ID, MT, ND, NM, NV, SD, UT, and WY tend to go as TEXAS goes… Secession II, anybody?

        • Cathy

          I’ve seriously considered moving to Texas. (from Nevada)

          • George E

            I’ve been a Texan since 1957. I don’t care for the weather too much, but I do like the industriousness and independence of the people and culture, and the politics (colorful and conservative). We’ve considered retiring other places, but have a hard time pulling away for reasons cited. Overall, we think Texas is a great place to live.

        • JC

          I’m in!

      • Mel

        Glenn, as in Beck? That explains so much. you really should get your info from real news journalists.

        • Jana

          Racist!

        • usmadgirl

          Mel,

          If you actually WATCHED Glenn (yes, as in Beck), you might have a clue what’s going on in this country since he’s the ONLY one who explains it & backs it with FACTS (as I’ve said before) RIGHT FROM THE DONKEY’S MOUTHS! You can’t get anymore factual than that! They obviously don’t even care NOW that the American people know who they are & what they are! They think we’re all so stupid that we won’t notice or understand their agenda, but SURPRISE!

          If YOU can’t see or hear it or figure it out, then you’re evidently blind, deaf or not as “brilliant” as you think you are!

          • Jana

            usmadgirl,
            How right you are. Thank you.

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            Thanks! I’m very rarely down or in a bad mood. I’m just not a moody person, but I’m really getting tired of the progressive lies & their agenda. They say what they please, but if WE do, we’re racist, wacky nut-jobs! So, I had a 15 minute meltdown yesterday from circumstances beyond my control & I decided I’d just “let her rip”! We’re beating “dead donkeys” on this site!

            I just got an e-mail from a friend. It’s a “Divorce Agreement”. I’ll just copy & paste it for all to see. Sounds like a winner to me!

            DIVORCE AGREEMENT

            THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT THAT I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT’S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I’LL VOTE FOR HIM.

            American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists,Marxists, Obama supporters, et al:

            We have stuck together since the late 1950′s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course.

            Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

            Here is a model separation agreement:

            Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

            We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).

            We’ll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks. We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood ..

            You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.

            We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill. We’ll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

            You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We’ll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute Imagine, I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

            We’ll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.

            Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you Answer which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

            Sincerely,
            John J. Wall
            Law Student and an American

            P.S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, & Jane Fonda with you.

            P. S. S. And we won’t have to press 1 for English.

          • JC

            I say we give them California…that’s it!
            Then we build a wall. ;)

          • http://BobLIvingston Virginia

            You actually watch Glenn Beck??? No wonder you’re confused.

          • Mel

            Yes, unlike some close-minded amoung us, I have watched Beck…and O’Reily et. al. It’s pretty amazing to me how Fox can be the only one to report things in the manner they do, filled with right wing retoric and all the rest of the news outlets on the hundreds of stations out there report the news. Is that because Fox has a corner on the facts? Not likely, and if you believe that then, yes, you are stupid. Glenn Beck is a phoney, he’s a satirist (by his own description whenever called out on journalistic errors)and not a very good one at that. If you thing that any of the commentators on Fox are 100% for the average citizen, then you are sadly deluded….they are all about their own bank accounts (or gold reserves). Their boss, the Autralian Rupert Murdock, is all about the corporate interests he holds and he uses his network to keep it intact.

          • STY

            before you kneel again at the alter of Faux News, here’s the man in charge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5z-quW2E8&feature=player_embedded#

          • Jana

            Bill Moyers??? Lets see, he was Pres. Johnson’s White House Press Secretary, he is quite involved with Public Television by producing documentaries and some of those documentaries have sure been leftist and not complimentary to the United States.

            He has become well known as a trenchant critic of the U.S. media. Since 1990, Moyers has been President of the Schumann Center for Media and Democracy.

            Center for Media and Democracy explained.
            Established in 1983, the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) aims to “strengthe[n] participatory democracy by investigating and exposing public relations spin and propaganda” — focusing largely on what it views as the transgressions of political conservatives. Another CMD objective is to assist liberal and leftist “grassroots citizen activism that promotes public health, economic justice, ecological sustainability and human rights.” Toward these ends, CMD produces articles and blog posts on the political, social, and economic issues of the day.

            The key words here is focusing largely on what it views as the transgressions of political conservatives.

            Yeah, right, we can certainly trust what this liberal says.

          • Jana

            Bill Moyers is the one talking about Fox News in the piece that sty wants you to look at.

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Connie funnell

      I agree with anyone who disagrees with Obozo and the disrespectocrats. He will ruin this country if the populace doesn’t stop him and I’m afraid the only thing left is violence because that’s all they have given us as a choice. We have tried everything peaceable and now I’m afraid he’s forcing the hand of the American public. I think the complete American public should outright refuse to enter into the agreement for his healthcare bill, everyone should simply say NO and do nothing. Can you put the entire United States in jail for refusal to adhere to an unconstitutional measure.

      • Cathy

        I totally think that’s a great idea. However, you and I both know that there are the nanny state mentalities out there that will join because they will think they’re getting something for free…

      • Jana

        I think we all ought to send bo a pink slip.

        • Joe H.

          Jana,
          Little lady, I’m ALL for it!!!!

    • Time

      So Folks Eamil, as well write and phone your Congress and Senate people and tell them you want them to support the John Fleming bill as noted above in Mr. Woods blog. Lets see how fast they all rush to do that.

  • David

    Republicans had about 1/3 of the speak time and still managed to hammer the democrats who kept repeating the same highlights that we’ve been hearing. They were ill prepared and are either that dumb or just haven’t had time to read Stearn’s 2,700 page bill yet.

    • DaveH

      They’re not dumb David. It would be impossible for anybody to successfully defend their crooked ill-conceived agenda. All the rest of us need to do is get educated in reality, and the Liberals won’t stand a chance in a legitimate debate.

      • Norm

        DaveH
        You obviously didn’t watch the presidents so called “health meeting”. The right wing Republicans looked like what they are, obstructionists.
        It was political theater on both sides but Cantor, Bohner, McConnel, and several others were so nasty it was hard to believe they are American citizens, much less a part of our government.
        If they really want save tax dollars they should resign. Maybe others might actually bring some ideas to the table.

        • George McMurtry

          Let’s see Norm, if someone invited you to a discussion on what your health insurance was already predetermined to be – and you had zero input, in fact you had been shut out of all the closed door meetings that determined your fate, you would be thrilled, wouldn’t you? It is difficult arguing with idiots, but not impossible.

          • Phil

            George, you didn’t pay attention to the healthcare summit did you…. Republicans were dismissing parts of the bill that they had put in the bill themselves… They’re goal was just to stall and kill the bill , nothing more. They had no intention of cooperating … So now were going to use Reconciliation just like Bush did to give tax cuts to the rich ( which will expire in 2011) and if you don’t like reconciliation then ” tough” you had your chance to participate…

          • George McMurtry

            Phil,
            I paid more attention than you did. Have you read the 2,700 page monstrosity, I have. There is not one thing in that bill that didn’t come from one of the closed door meetings. There is absolutely nothing about tort reform (we must keep the trial lawyers happy), insurance industry reform that trumps the States and forces all health insurance packages to be sold anywhere in the 50 states, nothing on Medicare reform (and there are 10′s of billions in fraud and corruption that could be eliminated). These are the things the Republicans were pushing for – they are not in this bill. I am not a Republican. I have voted both ways my entire adult life and I am a registered independent who doesn’t trust either party. I have started six high tech businesses, the current one in 2005. I ain’t no dummy and I know a snake oil salesman when I see one and there is one in the Oval office. He got that snake oil from Alinsky and Ayres and the wonderful Reverend Wright and his racist professor buddy at Harvard and on and on and on. What he is should be obvious to anyone with average intelligence. If you don’t see that then God help you – nobody else will.

          • DaveH

            Are you still going on about Bush’s tax cuts, Pill? Give it a rest. Heaven forbid we should let the 1% of wage earners that pay 40% of the income tax bill keep a little more of their money.
            You are just a common thief who thinks giving away other peoples’ money is charity.

          • JC

            The Bill that His Hopiness is trying to pass is Communist and unConstitutional much like Changey Boy himself. Both need to be flushed. There’s no debate here…none.

          • Cathy

            I keep seeing all this moaning about “tax cuts for the rich”…how many of you libs have ever worked for a poor person? Capital gains taxes are NOT just for the rich…they also affect small investors (like me).

            And as far as deficits and tax cuts, here’s how it works: Tax cuts to small businesses (those evil rich people) and then they hire more employees who in turn pay more taxes which decreases the deficit…UNLESS the spending continues. Why is this so hard to understand?

            Right now small businesses are NOT hiring because they are worried about what taxes are coming there way, thanks to the current administration, who has it ALL WRONG. It’s all a matter of common sense, which apparently does not exist in this government.

          • usmadgirl

            George McMurtry,

            You are right on the money & you’ve proven that it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to argue with idiots…I’m not naming names! It’s just impossible to understand where they come up with their illogical ideas!

          • Norm

            George McMurtry
            The Republican Congressmen and Senators had plenty of opportunity to contribute to the discussions. I believe it was Senator Demint who said he wanted any healthcare bill endorsed by Obama to fail. Waterloo was the the way he put it.
            By idiots I assume your reffering to the Republicans or maybe the brilliant “zack” above.

          • eyewideopen

            DaveH, you keep using the 1% pay 40, totally forgetting that the people making 153,500 to 388,500 pay the other 60 %. So in other words the middle class is paying more into the system, while having a lower salary and standard of living. You probably should be using your 1% mantra, makes the really, really rich types look bad. Why don’t you ever mention that 2/3 of the corporations don’t pay any taxes at all? Hiding that fact?

        • David

          Norm even your beloved CNN said the democrats looked like idiots while the Republicans came with real content to fix the problem. Obama looked like a scorned play ground bully. He literally got his a$$ kicked.

          So now he offers to take the 2,700 page bag of garbage, sprinkle powdered sugar (a couple republican ideas) on top and expect us to eat it? No! That’s why it has to be rammed down our throat.

          • mel

            Real content? really, I lost count of how many times I heard, “start over with a clean sheet of paper” and I had the thing on all day.
            I think the most some of you obviously saw were snippets on Fox news.
            Face it, it’s been debated ad nausium for over a year, time to act.
            Anything productive the republicans had to offer is in the bill in one form or another. And no, I don’t for a second believe either of you Davids have read 100 pages let alone 2700.

          • Joe H.

            Mel,
            Gee, that’s funny, cause that’s what 70% of the people were saying also. Maybe you don’t believe in the reps representing the people they were supposed to, right???? your Obummer wants to pass something by a 51% margin yet you don’t think 70% should be listened to! Real AMERICAN of you!!!

        • john

          Norm has a point, DAVEH, on the top of his head to hang Prez. DAN’s hat.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          We don’t want the Government involved in our health care decisions, Period. There is no compromising on that.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans medical care. You don’t have government involvement? It’s there. It’s just fragmented and inefficiant. Incidently the Senate plan (which has already passed by 61 votes), as bad as it is, has no government option. It does require everyone to be insured the same as with auto insurance. Can you imagine the costs if people elected to have car insurance?

          • George E

            Norm,

            Of the government health care programs you mentioned, Medicare appears to get the best rating by the American people, based on my reading of the situation. However, it has some serious problems like underpayments to health care providers which appears to be forcing more and more providers out of the program. This will make it more and more difficult to get health care under Medicare as time goes along. Medicare has also been reported as denying care more often than commercial insurance programs for all their problems. Finally, Medicare is bankrupting the country because more and more of the cost is being pushed off on the taxpayer at an unsustainable rate. Some of us just don’t want another government-run health care program. We can look ahead and see where all this is leading and we don’t like the destination. We think the private sector can and should provide care better than the government. However, some of us will concede that the government probably should support and guide these private sector programs to some minimum extent.

          • DaveH

            First of all Norm,
            I don’t have to imagine the costs. I was there before Mandatory Auto Liability Insurance. And we got along just fine. Since it is mandatory now, of course the costs have gone up as it creates a captive audience. As a result, the people we need most protection from can’t afford it and skirt the law.
            But you are mixing apples and oranges as usual. Auto Liability is to protect potential victims of an auto driver, not the driver. Unlike in the Healthcare Bill where you are trying to force the person to protect himself not somebody else. You have stated before that Health Insurance is too expensive, so your solution is to add Government Bureaucrats to the costs, and force people to buy that uneconomical product? You Liberals are unreal. How do you stay afloat on those clouds?

          • eyewideopen

            DaveH, people are forced to purchase Home Owners insurance, car insurance, yes, years ago, before we had 305million people, things were different. Someone hit you wrecked your car, injured you, you got attorney and sued. Now if a Dr. cuts off wrong leg, some of the states have cap, that you can only collect $250,000. Not alot for a leg. The reason insurance became mandatory is that some refuse to get it, leaving your insurance to cover you, then they raise your rates, when you were the victim in the accident. Same kind of thing, with people who have no healthcare insurance, they go to hosp, have surgery, it costs 50k, they don’t pay, and the rest of us have our premiums go up. People don’t want to be responsible for their own care,that’s why everyones cost goes up. If those who don’t want insurance would post a 75k bond guarranteed that they will pay if they get hospitalized, that would work. But since the average savings of 55-64 yr olds is less than 48k, you can see why those with no insurance can’t pay for emergency visits requiring surgery can’t you?

        • Radical RW’er

          Political theater with Obama as the leading role! Get your knee high boots on and start marching. Here comes the government intrusion into our lives and the blatant disregard of our Constitution.

        • cr747

          Norm,,
          Sorry to tell you,, but the A$$HOLE leading this group was the one that treated the Republican’s like they didn’t even exist.. Obama is the most arrogant,, disrespectful,, uneducated president the US has ever had in office..

          Will continue to be that way until November when the,”WE THE PEOPLE,” vote out all the idiots that are following him,, and we get someone in there to IMPEACH him,, and get this country back on track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • JC

            Exactly cr, exactly right.

          • Norm

            cr747
            You the people are a right wing extremist minority.

          • cr747

            Norm,,
            After November you will be looking at a lot of sick people,,even the president himself..

            I’m beginning to believe what zack said is right about you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • JC

            We’ll see how “minority” the conservative movement is in November.

          • cr747

            Norm,,
            And just what would you be considered?? Don’t count your chickens until the eggs hatch.. We shall see a lot of crying Democrats in November.. November just happens to be my birth month,, and I am a Scorpio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Weavi

          Have you ever seen Obama even look at an idea brought to him by the Republicans???? His idea of bi-partisianship is–You come see me and I will tell give you some double-talk about the healthcare bill-disreguard any of your ideas and tell you to go back to the capitol and vote for MY plan!!!! You know this is not my idea of bi-partisian–they must have changed the dictionary the same way they change the history books!!!! The republicans are doing what their constituents are asking them to do which is go against the obamacare!!! It is a shame the democrats are deaf and blind–or is it simply they don’t give a rats a– what THEIR constituents want??? By the way I probably should not reveal this, but I am a registered democrat but if my party doesn’t wise-up, that will soon change!!! They moved waaaaay out to the left and I refuse to move there!!!!

    • markk

      They don’t want to read it they just want to ignore the American peoples wishes and keep on spending. Obumma is depending on this legislation for his so called legacy.

      His legacy? Worst President in history, least qualified, and very hard of hearing.

  • http://naver Brady

    I understand that there may be people in this country who don’t have health insurance, but it is usually the ones on welfare or are too lazy to go out and get some type of coverage. Let’s remind people of two of our founding principles of self reliance and personal responsibility. A federal health care program is unconstitutional and is not what our founding fathers wanted for this country of ours. The president should stand before us on national TV and declare an end to the self destructive welfare state. Sanctifying everyone on it as a victim and remind them that this country was built and preserved by people who refused to be victims. Hand up and not hand outs.

    • Vikoria

      This is a selfish statement. There are plenty of people out there working and working and can’t afford the health insurance premiums, all they want is reasonable premiums and no pre-existing conditions. May be you are a fortunate person of good health, if so, may you keep it forever, but do not judge all people with the the same measuring stick. People should also aks themselves “why do we have so many people on welfare?” what is our social net like? Viktoria

      • DaveH

        Selfish, Vikoria? You want to force people to buy Health Insurance and add a middle-man to their Healthcare costs? You want to force Insurance Companies and their policy holders to pay for somebody’s pre-existing conditions? You want to dictate lower profits for the Health Insurance Companies who already have lower profit ratios than many other sectors of the economy? From the below article:
        “the truth is that health insurance companies’ five-year average profit margin is about 5.3 percent”.
        http://www.aetna.com/about-aetna-insurance/initiatives/health-care-reform/myth-realities.html

        The free market offers a choice. You do not have to buy their Health Insurance. You can do like me and many other people choose to do – Don’t buy it! But what you really want to do is get on free ride on the shoulders of others who would be your unwilling slaves.

        You, my dear are the selfish one.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Unfortunatly most of the people who “don’t buy it” are the people who need it the most, and are the people who free load on the system.
          People who can prove that they can afford the cost of medical care, I agree, should be exempt. But they are a small group.

      • Denise

        Vikoria — to answer your question, the reason we have so many people on welfare is because of liberal policies. It has created a culture of dependency and entitlement. Look at all the big cities in this country, and look at the slums, violence, drugs, unemployment, drop-out rates, single parent households, etc. etc. The vast majority of cities, the worst of the worst in particular, are run, and have been run for decades, by Democrats!! Democrats who keep promising more goodies, and a better tomorrow. Which of course never comes. These politicians only take care of themselves and their cronies. They steal our hard-earned money for the supposed good of others. HA! It’ll never happen. You can’t “buy” better lives for people. A better life comes from within. Politicians prefer to keep people in poverty — keep them dependent on Big Brother. That’s how they keep getting their votes. Giving goodies, paid for by working Americans, and always promising more. And the recipients don’t have to give anything back in return. It’s pathetic. It’s insane. And it’s unsustainable.

        People have to wake up and stand on their own two feet. The government is not their daddy. Obama is not their daddy. There comes a time when ALL able-bodied people need to take care of themselves and their own families. This country is on its way to financial ruin. We’re on the fast track, thanks to Obama and his socialist friends. Once he’s completely broken the capitalist system, where will the revenue come from then? The govt doesn’t produce anything remember? They have no revenue until they first take it from someone else. If the producers are bled dry and put out of business, where is Big Brother going to get the money then? I repeat….time for able-bodied adults to stand on their on two feet and find a way to make it. It takes hard work and sacrifice, but there is no better feeling in the world than the feeling of accomplishment and worthiness.

        As for your comment regarding good health being equal to good fortune……in the majority of cases good health and good fortune have nothing to do with one another. How many people out there are committed to good health? How many people out there make healthy choices every day to stack the deck in their favor? When 20-25% of the people smoke, and almost 3/4 of our population is over-weight or obese, I would say not nearly enough. I am tired of paying for everyone’s bad choices!!! Most people have access to the internet…..instead of parking their fat, lazy arses in front of the tv every night why don’t they do go on the internet and educate themselves about diet and nutrition? Why don’t they go out for a walk? Why are they moving more and eating less crap?

        The cost of health care will go down in this country when more Americans chose a healthy lifestyle and abandon the cigarettes, donuts, soft drinks, Doritos, processed foods, junk food, etc, — and move their bodies more!!

        Vikoria, the quality of your health has more to do with the choices YOU make than the money I give you!!

        • Barbara

          Denise, you are so right, and thanks for putting it in print, in plain language that states it as it is!

        • Ken123

          I’ll take a healthy smoker ten times faster than a lazy SOB who expects to get something for nothing. Smoking is a personal choice as is the puchase or non-purchase of health insurance. I damned sure don’t need my government making my health decisions for me nor taxing me to pay for someone else’s coverage. People, death is inevitable, we all will die and meet our maker someday. Let’s not let our government take our god-given rights of free choice from us in the name of health.

          Socialized medicine is not the answer for free people, it’s just government control of the weak.

          • Denise

            Ken, I know where you’re coming from, I really do. But, here’s the rub:

            1) True, the govt has no business telling you what you can and cannot do with your health. But I do wish more people would stop being slaves to cigarettes and quit the deadly, nasty habit. The smoker’s choice to smoke means higher insurance premiums for all of us. That’s a fact. And for those of us who don’t smoke, it sucks.
            2) How many smokers say it’s my right to smoke, but then when they get sick with cancer or COPD or Cardiovascular disease, also say, it was my choice to smoke, therefore I alone expect to bear the financial burden for the consequences of my actions? I’m guessing not many. Just saying. Your choice, our dime. It sucks.

            Lastly, sorry, but I can’t resist asking: Is there really such a thing as a “healthy smoker”? Some may “appear” healthy today….but it’s only a matter of time. There is no up side to smoking. Sorry. It’s an unhealthy habit, plain and simple.

            I implore you Ken, if you smoke, don’t be a slave to the cig companies one more day! You don’t want to be a slave to govt, but you allow yourself to be one to cig companies?! You have fallen into their trap, they control you, and you allow it. Control yourself…kick the butts to the curb. Today! You’ll never regret it. No more shame. No more stink. No more shortness of breath. More money in your pocket. More spring in your step. More years on your life. Go for it!

          • JC

            Denise, I like what you say and I’m not starting an argument…BUT! ;)
            I think most smokers die younger and cost less in the long run. They also pay more taxes on cigarettes. And as a smoker I can tell you that for me personally, I won’t be doing the Frankenstein Chemo Therapy. I’d rather make peace and stick a .45 in my mouth.
            Which leads me to another personal right….Guns!

            Denise we can’t have it both ways, you’re in the social engineering business or you aren’t. So after smokers who would be next? Fat people?

            Again not starting an argument, just demonstrating a thought.

        • DaveH

          Very good comments, Denise and Ken.

          • JC

            Think that last one through Dave…it’s about “choices” right?
            The freedom to choose…

        • paul

          we need people like Denise in office,she is 100% correct,i am a old disabled-vet.i get only enough to live on for 2 weeks of the month,so i sell items on the internet,i taught myself how to use a pc.anyone can buy stuff on ebay and turn around and sell it for more money right on ebay,they got so many good deals you cnat buy them all,if you do buy all the good deals go to ebay.france or australia ebay and buy stuff turn around and sell it.anyone can make money with a pc.we all need to pray the dems and this healthcare bill goes down in flames,it is too expensive,and will NOT give us better health care.many vets do not know they can use the va system,if you served over 6 months in any service,the va healthcare system will give you a dr,in many cases it is free,depends on your income.but if broke,just go to any va hospital,there you give them a dd214 and you will get a dr.i did not know the va changed things in the 1980′s so you do not have to be retired military,nor injured in combat.they will see any vet who has 6-months in service.

        • Cella

          They also need to ban all alcohol and wine. Get the drunks off the road. All alcohol is make people alcoholics. Ban smoking. Ban Pot. Force everyone to be healthy. Ban all junk food. Clean this country up.

          • Tom

            And because so many people get injured in auto accidents, we really need to ban driving.

          • Denise

            No one is saying ban anything…..only that individuals should take financial responsibility for the consequences of their choices, whatever they may be, not the collective.

          • Jana

            Uh oh Cella, do you smoke pot too????

          • Time

            Chello,
            So your a total control freek, “petty tyrant” I have a great idea, Let’s ban you, rather than you tell everyone what they can and can’t do.

          • eyewideopen

            Ah, the voice of the conservatives, who want to control your life AND they have the nerve to critize the dems, too funny, just hypocritical, Cella, what kind of clothes do you want everyone to wear, Brown Shirts??? lmao.

          • cr747

            No eyes,,
            We wouldn’t look right in the same color you wear.. Besides brown reminds me to much of how the president acts.. Do you know what is Long and Brown has 4 Wheels and Lays on the ground.. Give Up?? A turd, I was joking about the wheels.. Reminds me how messy the president and the Democrats are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • cr747

          Denise,,
          Being a Lawyer I have to agree with your statements 100%.. Smoking is a bad habit,, and a habit that without will power cannot be overcome.. Smoking takes life’s everyday.. I lost a Brother-in-law to smoking.. I do not smoke or drink,, and I don’t condone anyone that does smoke..
          For your on health,, and well being I strongly encourage anyone that smokes to at least give it all the will power you have got for your own good..

          Start a healthy diet,, and exercise program fit for you with a trainer.. Believe me you won’t regret it,, and you will have a different outlook on life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Joe H.

            cr747,
            I disagree, they can quit if they TRULY want to and make up their mind to. They can’t do it for others like wife, kids, mother, or father, you have to do it for yourself. I smoked for almost 40 years and quit on my own, no gum, no patches, no crutches. I carried a half pack around in my pocket for a week. Every time I took out that pack, I looked at it and said NO, I’m stronger than you! I chewed gum like a cow chewing a cud, and still do, but I quit and have been free for ten years. Started at 11 years old and quit at 49! If you truly want to quit you WILL!!

          • Norm

            cr747
            Holy Crap I actually agree with your comment in principle.
            I gave up smoking 25 years ago and it’s difficult but far from impossible. I drink my share of red wine and believe, in moderation, it is a positive.

      • Ken123

        Pre-Existing Conditions??? If this scam passes, can I get fire insurance after my house is on fire? Let’s get some common logic in this debate. Insurance is a odds business, the Insurance Company is betting that only a few of it’s policy holders will file a valid claim which can be paid from revenue profits without destroying the company.

        • Cella

          You are so right Ken. Maybe DNA testing should be done, and if they think someone could get breast cancer in the next 30 years they should cut them off now. Why should the insurance company pay because your family has bad genes.

          • Claire

            Cella—Be careful of what you say. You may be one of those women that get breast cancer.

        • Phil

          It’s the rightwingers and Republicans that are overweight and also smokers….how do I know?… Next time you see a tea party protest look at the people there…. These people will be needing healthcare soon….you know as well as I , if it was the republicans asking for healthcare you rightys would think it’s wonderful….You rightys didn’t have a problem with Bush wasting trillions on Iraq but president Obama wants to
          actually spend money on Americans you oppose it… Why?ohh Iraq thanks you for their healthcare… We paid for it… Still are… I also think we owe them healthcare after killing close to a million Iraqis … I saw a new artical this morning about birth defects caused by radioactive weapons we used aginst them… You rightys should be very proud..

          • J C

            As opposed to you lily livered latte licking lettuce eating parasites?
            Fine…at least we recognize each other! ;)

          • Radical RW’er

            Phil – you espouse moronic filth and recite perfect statist lies. Move to Cuba if you hate freedom & the US so much. I’m sick of hearing about the “trillions” spent on the war – honestly do you get your figures from the Daily Kos? I’ve checked it out and we were up to 600B – a few months ago. This was even a liberal website.

          • Time

            Phil,
            So now your an outright bigot too.
            WOW, you just never stop do you.

          • cr747

            Phil,,
            The biggest part of those Iraqi’s where killed by their on people.. Don’t go and try to blame the US for all those deaths.. Even before we entered Iraq they where fighting and killing each other,, and they are still doing it today..

            You and Norm need a little refresher course on your history,, and a little common sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Joe H.

            Phil the phool, those “radioactive” weapons we used were spent heads. they can be handled all day and not cause a problem. Our troops handle them all the time. Please check on what you spew before you go Anti-American!!!! Try to know what you are talking about. those are a new armor piercing type of ammo. Have you heard of “depleted uranium”??

          • Marc

            And Agent Orange still causing birth defects in Vietnam….in addition to our own troops that were there. And I was there…….

          • cr747

            Phil,,
            If you saw an article on birth defects, then it was not because of The United States.. We have not used anything that would cause any radiation whatsoever.. Make sure you get your stories straight,, and learn a little bit of what you are talking about before letting your mouth overload your rear end..

            Things are bad enough without you having to make up lies,, and blowing off on something that is entirely a big LIE.. In other words keep your trap shut.. People are sick and tired of people like you Norm,, and others spouting off about something that you have no clue of what you are talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jana

            CR747, I have completely disregarded certain people and do not even bother reading their posts. Phil and Norm are among them. They post absolutely nothing worth reading.

          • cr747

            Marc,, I was there to.. I happened to be a fighter pilot.. I was around the agent orange,, but I’m not crying the blues,, just hated the welcome home from hell..
            Got a lot better welcome home from Iraq,, and it was not near as bad as Vietnam.. I lost some very close friends.. One is still MIA,, I fly a POW-MIA FLAG 24/7–365 days a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • eyewideopen
          • Jana

            Yeah sure, just more leftist propaganda. You have to take these sights with a grain of salt, and blinders on as you know you are being lied to.

      • Lorene

        My question is why can they not afford to provide insurance to their family? I raised four Children and worked in plants all my life. I wonder is it because they are going to movies? buying pop? Junk food? I had insurance for mine and even the short period of time I didn’t when they got sick, I paid for it. me! out of my pocket. Nobody gave me a handout, no body supported my kids. We didn’t have the finest of everything but we had love and we had free parks I took them to. They had many friends over, it didn’t cost so much that I could not afford insurance. Now we have the give me generation, and I am told shame on you that you don’t want to pay for their Health care. This so called Health Care is NOT free, it is going to cost us all, yes all, very dearly. I hope our State says NO because I am going to be right there by them saying the same thing.

        • Arkham Grundy

          I have several friends who, when diagnosed with a serious illnesses after paying their insurance premiums for years, were dropped by their insurance companies for trumped up reasons. Then, because they now had “pre-existing conditions” could not buy insurance elsewhere.

          These hard working, play-by-the-rules people are now going bankrupt, and one of their kids will die.

          Is this the kind of health care system you support?!

          • paul

            in cases like this,this ins.company is wrong and should be sued.which is why we have lawyers.this problem can be addressed without turning all our healthcare and decisions over to the us goverment!!!!,it is sad when this happens,and it does happen,but to turn over the whole health care system,because of a few bad ins companys is down right crazy.those ins.companys should bear the responciability,this can be taken care of at the state level of goverment,sorry for your friends,they should of got a good lawyer.paul

          • markk

            paul I doubt seriously that Ark G really has that many friends that this happened to. When Obumma tried to play this game it was proven false (aka: lies).
            The Quran says its alright to lie to an infidel, and the socialists have adopted that tactic.

          • JC

            Exactly! So what kind of lawmakers do we have that have given us a legal system where this can happen? The trick here is get government OUT of the health care business…not take it over.

        • Cella

          I am so with you. Why can’t these people pay a couple a thousand dollars a month for insurance? Who do they think they are. Even though the costs have gone up 39 percent in California. That is a small price to pay for insurance coverage for their family. You know if someone makes 12 dollars an hour that is 480 dollars a week. If they are lucky they could put their kids on the state insurance program and just forgo any insurance for themselves. If they make 12 dollars an hour they do not deserve insurance.

          • Arkham Grundy

            Many “good Christians” are so worried about someone “undeserving” getting something they forget the basic philosophy of their own faith. Did Christ ask for insurance cards before healing the poor?

          • libertytrain

            Arkham – I doubt if He asked anyone else in the crowd to ante up for the guy’s healing either or ask for insurance cards. I think He did it cause He could.

        • Jana

          Lorene, you are so right. Most of those who can’t afford insurance, and even those who are on welfare are those you see eating out at these fast food places several times a week.

          I take my lunch to work, I cook meals at home, and we may eat out maybe once a month. That is a choice we have made to be able to have some financial control over our lives.

          Taking advantage of parks and playing outdoors and not spending on renting movies and things that cost a lot are viable options. It seems that everyone has to be entertained any more. We see the commercials of people camping out and all of them are on their cell phones or whatever they are. (I have no need for anything other than the basic cell.) The monthly bill for these other things are expensive and that sure could be cut out too.

          We teach our children that they have to have the most expensive toys, and designer clothes, but we fail to teach them family values, morals, and even manners.

          • Claire

            Jana—Well spoken.

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            We already get taxed for the library so “rent” them there!!! We do it all the time. I don’t buy books other than political as I can get them there. I figure if I’m going to be charged for it anyway I might as well get something for it!!!

          • Jana

            Great idea Joe. I use the library already for checking out books so might as well go all the way and use the videos.

          • Claire

            Jana and JoeH–my town is in such dire straits that they closed 3 of our libraries. All we have left is the main library downtown and the parking situation is a nightmare. And the homeless camp in front of the building at night. And they leave one heck of a mess. I think you can imagine what I mean, it is deplorable. But I will still go there to get my books.

          • Dennis

            Its a dam sham that this country has fallen so far down that we can’t even teach our children the true history of this country and what it was built on.

      • June R

        I personally know of people that don’t have any insurance at all. They
        have access to any hospital they choose to go to. The truth is, the
        hospital cannot refise to treat them. I know of one man that owes well
        over $200,000.00 and does not pay any on the bill. He keeps going back
        when the need arises. They don’t refuse him.

        • Cella

          You are so on the point. But, the first thing to do is kick all seniors off Medicare. Let them go out and buy it on the open market like everyone else. I am sure they would love to get off government run (welfare insurance) Who do they think they are getting cheep health care dragging the cost for everyone else paying full price up. Next on the agenda. anyone in a nursing home on Medicaid, kick them out. My dad pays 5000 dollars a month. He is 85 years old and has to pay his own bill. This country spends over a billion dollars a year paying nursing homes for seniors on Medicaid. I am tired of paying for these people. They should have saved enough money to pay their own bill. Many have moved or hidden their money so that they qualify for Medicaid. Many have already given their money to their kids so they can stay free from the government paying for their care. Next thing to get rid of is FEMA. If you build a mansion on the ocean and a hurricane blows it down…..too bad. Or if a tornado blows your house down, too bad. Hope you have insurance to rebuild it. I am sick of rebuilding everyone a new house.

          • Phil

            Cella, I’m with you… If these senior citizens are dumb enough to get old why should we have to pay for Medicare … They’re just a drag on our country…..same with the people that have lost their jobs, they must be lazy… And if they’re dumb enough to catch cancer the hell with them… Why should we pay…they can always go to an emergency room for great treatment…. Same with the children of these bums that lost jobs, if their parents were so lazy to lose their jobs I don’t want to pay for healthcare for these bloodsucking children….and why should us hard working republicans and conservatives have to pay for the goverment to do research on cancer, heart disease, MS and anyother disease these lazy people get…. We all know anybody that gets a terminal disease must be a lowlife liberal….I’m tired of paying for these sickly lazy scums……. But let’s make sure we protect the unborn babys so we can deny them healthcare if they’re dumb and liberal enough to become sick and you know these sickly old people , babys and leeching liberal only get sick so they can have a free ride on my dollar…

          • Cella

            Phil, I am with you. Everyone in this country wants only what will benefit them. God help them all…….

          • Jana

            Phil’s brilliant statement says it all, and Cella agrees. Too funny.

          • cr747

            Cella and Phil,,
            You two have got to be the biggest JOKES on here.. Do you think that someday you will be a senior citizen.. Maybe not,,then you won’t have to realize what the seniors of our society are going through..

            You two are a complete waste to breathing up the oxygen and taking it away from the one’s that need it most.. Both of you should be ashamed of the accusations that you both made.. What a disgrace to society!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747 — And I agree with you 100% — Thank you, finally, someone with some common sense.

          • Claire

            Cella– Well, I can tell you one thing, if you live long enough and Medicare is still in effect, how are you going to feel when someone wants to kick you out of Medicare/Medicaid? Your are not going to stay young forever so start saving your money kid, you’re going to need it.

          • eyewideopen

            Phil, they didn’t get that you were being facetious. You can’t be a liberal with rantings like that. Cella, was serious.But maybe we should cancel all of medicare and let everyone but the rich die. They can afford insurance at all costs, so let’s just do away with the medicare program.

        • Time

          Jane, A very good point you bring up.
          We know a guy I will call him Dennis just for fun, thats not his name but as I said its just for fun.

          Well Dennis is 62 years old, he has never held a job for longer than six months, yet he wants to be paid in cash for his work, when he works. He has never paid a single cent in to SS or Income tax.

          Yet when he drank his liver and kidneys into near total faliure, he got medical care / aid from “Medicaide,” yes indeed he has had now well over $350.000.00 dollars worth of aid / care paid for by the US Tax payer.
          He still smokes, does; Coke as in Cane, drops acid now and then, still drinks, and again has never paid a single cent into anything.
          You ask him how to get money from the state and he knows every trick in the book.

          Guess what – He is 100% all in for the “Barry care package,”

          We offerd to pay him to wash our cars, once a week and pay him $100.00 per week, he turned us down, why you may ask?

          He explained that his time is worth $55.00 per hour, he has {zero work skills at anything,} but wants $55.00 per hour.
          He quoted us $275.00 to wash our cars once per week.

          And as a fringe benifit’s he also wanted to be able to drive the cars for the day, BUT; he has “no licence, nor insurance.” As far as I can tell he has never driven a car.
          And to add to that he also wanted us to provide him with lunch and dinner, of what he handed me a list of foods he can’t eat. But oddly what he can eat is top shelf stuff, yes indeed he can eat Crab, Shrimp, and Lobster, only USDA Grade Prime beef, and steamed veggies.
          Of what were all on his lunch and dinner menues he handed us.

          We didn’t hire him for the obvious reasons.

          Yet he complains all the time when we see him about what rotten doc’s he has and that he should sue them for the misshandling of his Health Care.

          This is a claer example of whats out there he is just one of Millions!

          Add to this, he is on welfair and gets food stamps, shops at the most expencive food store we have around. And yet even gets his appartment paid for by the state!
          Yea its a nice water front apartment with a view even. All his bills are paid for by the US Tax Payers.

          And if anyone wants to know whats wrong with the US now, this is a clear example of whats wrong, and again he is just one of the MILLIONS like him!

          • Cella

            Time, your story is so stupid. Nice ocean front apartment on Medicaid. Almost 300 dollars to wash your car. Your spelling is really bad. It is so easy to type a letter wrong once in a while, but yours is so bad it is laughable.

          • Phil

            Time, I believe your story about as much as I believed Bushs case for war aginst Iraq…. I have to tell you that I believe your story is a LIE…. Why don’t you throw a few bible quotes at me to convince what a fine rightwing Christian you are….only an idiot would believe the hogwash you posted..did your nose grow… Disgusting..

          • Time

            ChellO and Phile,
            No lie’s all 100% TRUE, So Bubbas thats just the way it is in Wilmington NC, land of a lot of flakes.
            Hey you too would fit right in there. Land of the Crack heads.

          • Claire

            Phil —Your comment “If these senior citizens are dumb enough to get old” is one the stupidest things I have ever read on these sites. You should be careful making childish and immature statements like this since you could very well die at a young age. Is this what you want? When you were a young child, did your parents ever teach you to have respect for your elders or respect for anything in life? Yes, I am a senior and proud of it. I have had a good life and am fortunate in many ways. I hope to continue my good life for a long time. And I will match my wits with yours any day of the week. Maybe with age, and I do hope you live long enough in spite of yourself, you will learn the facts of life and realize how silly you are for making statements like this. Life is precious.

        • paul

          most states have a budget set aside for indigent care,they will pay his bills,and most likely have been paying them.our local hosp.ask you to sign a form if you need assistance when you first go in with a problem.some people cannot pay,others may just be after pain meds.he may be one of those,paul

      • George McMurtry

        Vikoria, I totally agree with you for the need for reform of the current insurance industry practices and the Federal government does have the Constitutional right to regulate across State lines. The Feds can mandate that any insurance company selling health insurance must sell it anywhere in the 50 States at the same policy cost structure. The Feds do not have the right to usurp the States rights, which is what obamacare does. I have a 3 year old granddaughter with leukemia so, believe me when I say I want reform – but not 2,700 pages of madness and big brother.
        As to Welfare, welfare begets welfare. The system is broken and must be abolished. Welfare works best on a local level, it always has. The local churches and synagogues, the food kitchens, the local merchants making donations and hiring the “hard up” soul. We are now into the 4th generation of Welfare – 4 generations used to getting something for nothing. That cycle must be broken.

      • DonFL

        Victoria people on welfare do have medical insurance. Just like Senators they pay nothing and have the best care FREE on you and me

    • Cathy

      I do not have health insurance. I don’t want to go to doctors who just give you pills to alleviate the symptoms and don’t cure the cause. So, I’m into NATURAL cures. Those prescription drugs have many side effects that are killing more people than the freakin’ diseases they’re treating. Of course, “they” don’t admit that fact.

      • Jana

        Cathy, actually neither do I. However, I have put aside money every month as though I did. When it hits $2500. I put it into a CD. It has come in handy a few times, and I will also add that when I do go to the Dr. I watch every penny that is spent to make sure its necessary. People on Ins. just go in and don’t pay attention to the details of their bills. One more reason for Ins. to be so expensive.

        • Cathy

          I also no longer smoke and am a vegetarian too. I go to a doctor in Tijuana once a year for blood work, chelation, foot bath (detox), and whatever else I might decide to do. This doctor helps his patients beat cancer, diabetes, hepatitis, MS…you name it, with homeopathic treatment and DIET consisting of alkaline food. Disease cannot exist in an alkaline environment.

          • eyewideopen

            Cathy, are you on the PH Miracle diet?

    • Norm

      Brady
      Every time you use the medical system you pay for the uninsured. You also pay the multimillion dollar salaries of the insurance execs. American healthcare is a disaster and is getting worse daily (20%-30% increases this year alone). The current Senate plan is flawed, but I believe it will be cheaper and more efficient in the long haul.

      • Time

        Norm,
        I guess you would also say that the Post Office is loosing money, but in the long run it will get better, right?

        Or that Social Security that will be totaly broke in just 10 years will make money someday, right?

        Or that Medicaid that is now totaly broken will some day make money. right?

        Dude look I know you have a brain as I see some flashs of light now and then, but for GOD sake man, will you please wake up.

        • Norm

          Time

          Some wisdom from Warren Buffet:

          Buffett said health care costs are a major drain on U.S. businesses that put them at a competitive disadvantage. He said America’s health care system needs fundamental reform to attack costs because it’s not practical to continue devoting roughly 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product to health care.

          Buffett said much of the rest of the world is paying about 9 percent of their GDP on health care and have more doctors and nurses per person.

          “That kind of a cost, compared with the rest of the world, is like a tapeworm eating at our economic body,” Buffett said.

          He said he hopes Congress will develop a new health care reform proposal that will restrict costs more than any of the current plans would.

          • TIME

            Norm, I really don’t care what Buffet has to say, we here in the US support the helath care plans in these Europen states he noted.

            How? They pay pennys on the dollar for their meds and scripts, WE here in the US pay the differance, thus its passed on in all ways to YOU the persons who have Health Insurance.

            So this also carrys through to equipment that they buy. I know this first hand, we here in the US make up the differance in what they loose selling such products to the European states.

            Whats that add up to, Higher cost in scripts and meds, as well equipment cost, all of what is passed on to you.

            So Mr. Buffets numbers are wrong from the start.

            Why do we pay a lot for Health Insurance here in the US note the above reasons for a start?

            Then add in Government interference.
            Lacking abilitys by Federal laws for these companys to cross state lines.
            Crazy malpractice insurance rates due to frivolous law suits.
            Crazy amounts of money given to persons who win such laws suits.

            Who do you people think pays the differance?
            “Anyone who has health insurance,” Thats who.

            This plan of Barry’s is from page one “100% wrong” and anyone who has a single brain cell can clearly see that.

            Its nothing more than control from Birth to the Grave.
            Have you read any of it? I can’t fathom you have if anyone read it
            they would never say they want it.

            Why This plan is so great will the Congress and Senate and Barry not sign up for it, and toss their current plans?
            Why is that? You know why. Its stinks rotten to the core.

          • eyewideopen

            Time, they pay lower costs as they negotiate with Big Phrma. That is something that Medicare Advantage prevents the government from doing. Why? because the repubs wanted to reward the Big Phrma and that was the best way to give them subsidies. Welcome to United Corporations of America.

          • Norm

            Time
            When you make your first billion $, you can be critical of Warren Buffets knowledge of business in the US.

  • Kris

    I saw the potus get angry and then cut the republicans off whenever they brought up an item that was in the bill. Then I saw the potus lie time and time again saying that it wasn’t true. Time for the rest of this country to wake up and see what this idiot in the white house is doing to this country! He is marching us to a one world govt. with communism as it’s base. What do you expect from him when he hangs a Christmas bulb on his tree with a picture of chairman Mau on it! This is his idol, not George Washington or any of our founding fathers. This is what he plans for us, total slavery and domination and a 3rd world country! Wake up folks, it’s almost to late already!

  • s c

    Let’s see. I have to choose between 7 hours of BO or 7 hours of Plan Nine From Outer Space. I tear open the envelope, and the winner is Plan Nine From Outer Space!
    It was obvious that this prez would have nothing new or helpful to say, so there was no point in enduring his rant-o-thon. Watching paint dry or dew form on the lawn is more rewarding.
    BO seems to think that everything that comes out of his mouth is gold-plated or amounts to more wisdom from the gods. He needs to get many independent opinions on that topic. Over the past year, I think it’s safe to say that the Obummer ‘movie’ never had the intelligence or wit of an old movie titled Plan Nine From Outer Space. In fact, Plan Nine From Outer Space did offer a bit of humor. Its director had more talent than Obummer. The movie’s director would be considered more pc today than Obummer. Over the last 45 years or so, Plan Nine From Outer Space has attracted a faithful, cult-like following. With Obummer’s cast and self-destructive plot, I’ll keep watching Plan Nine From Outer Space. At least that movie is worth watching.
    Obummer and his cast and crew will never have what it takes to rise to the level of acceptable entertainment. Score a big one for Ed Wood. Score
    zero for Obummer [don't call us. we'll call you. let's do lunch.].

    • Jana

      sc,
      yes, then he has the audacity to say we now have a bi-partisan bill? Sure he has a 2700 page bill and gives the ‘other side’ possibly 3 pages? Oh how big of him.
      We the people do want insurance reform, but lets scrap this trillion dollar atrocity and give us something we can live with, that is truly bi-partisan.

  • http://www.PureHeartsInternational.com Geoff Pace

    Chip ~ I’m taking you up on your allowance of “extreme ” thought without racism nor profanity. Here it is in an ontological bent:

    Two things to consider: 1) A 1912 Kenyan prophecy that one of their native sons would arise and become the head of the USA whose sole purpose would be to dismantle it by any means necessary.
    2) That Barak Obama/Barry Soetoro is not AT ALL who he purports to be!
    In ancient Aramaic Barak is translated to being “lightning falling from the skies.” Obama means simply SATAN. Now, go fetch your scriptures and look up Luke 10:18. “Satan falling from the skies like lightning.” OMIGOD!

    What we have here is the anti-John the Baptist who is paving the way for the REAL anti-Christ. May the Lord preserve us!

    • June R

      Wow, I had never thought of it exactly like that. I do believe he has
      some evil powers working for him. That is truly scary!

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Very good post Geoff. I never thought of an anti-John the Baptist -since Satan mimics everything Jesus and God his father did/does even down to the trinity (Anti-Christ, False Prophet, and Satan). Where did you find Item 1 – have never seen that before.

    • Norm

      Geoff Pace
      That is the most ridiculous nonsense I have read or heard in a long time. Are you into Voodoo as well.

      • cr747

        Norm,,
        if he is then you are the voodoo idiot that he is using..You are just like Obama,, arrogant,, Obnoxious,, delusional,,and just plain dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Norm

          cr747
          I’ve been accused of a lot of things in my life, but dumb isn’t one of them. Surely you can think of something smarter to say …or maybe not.

        • cr747

          Norm,,
          It seems all the names have been used against you on here.. The only thing I can think of that you are is an Imbecile..

          Not very educated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Norm

            cr747
            Actually I am well educated!!!!!!!!!!!! About 18 years formally!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you are the A–hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jana

            Now we all know what Norm’s problem is, he is one of those educated idiots. Been indoctrinated by the likes of those ‘professors’ that hated the United States.

          • cr747

            Norm,,
            Seems as though you wasted your money on education.. It didn’t help you any..
            Go back and see if you can get your money back.. Might get you a lawyer,, but don’t call me,, you can’t afford me.. There’s not anything any body can do for a person of your caliber::Sorry Norm,, life’s a bitch sometime.. Get the drift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Norm

          cr747
          Actually my BSEE and MSCS degrees did me very well. They are part of the reason I was able to retire at a reasonable age in fine financial shape.
          As far as affording a lawyer, I simply never needed one. If I do someday, it sure won’t be a hack like you. Frankly, I have a hard time believing that you finished Jr. high school.

          • Norm

            cr747
            It’s pretty sad that the conversation here has come to nothing more constructive than name calling.

      • Cathy

        All I can say is…birds of a feather flock together. Have you noticed who he hangs with and who he associated with in his life? What is wrong with these O’Bummer worshipers?

    • Marc

      So if you believe this “1912 Kenyan prophecy” to be true……there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Prophecy comes from God, correct ? Then the fulfilling of it is meant to be. The thing you can do is get right with God in your thought and actions….because this would seem to presage the coming of the Rapture.

      • Pat R

        Marc:
        Not all prophesies are from God; nor are they true! Consider all the prophesies floating around a few years ago (around 2000 0r 2001) about the ending of the world! Idiots prophesize all the time.

        • DDC

          Oh you do, do you?

      • eyewideopen

        Good Points, Marc and Pat.

  • Mike

    Obama doesn’t care about anything or anyone else other than having power.He’s a showman, a community agitater. He’s the least qualified person in any room he walks into. No history of accomplishments before or after being elected. The American people and even fellow democrats are beginning to see this. As far as I’m concerned he’s already becoming a lame duck.

  • James Duncan

    I can’t really post what I would like to about Obama. But I have no use for the person, he is going to be the downfall of this country. His better than thou attuide makes me want to puke and his wife comes across the same way to me. As far as I’m concerned this coutry doesn’t have a president just someone setting in the Oval office. I agree with a person who I get emails from his goal is to destroy this country.

    • Dorothy

      Is everyone out there aware of the book obama is carrying around, and
      I assume he is reading or has read it (or wrote it!!)..It is called
      “The Post-American World”. He has to be de-throned immediately!! He’s already preparing for the Big Change!!

  • Michael Hicks

    The Republicians allowed Obama to talk down to them. Why are they afraid of this guy?

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Boy John McCain didn’t let him get away with anything. Obummer certainly tried to overtalk and shut John down but he couldn’t. The only way was to call a recess so that the reps could go and do their vote. I wouldn’t vote for John again and I think he should retire but I really really enjoyed his slam which was the truth. Had he been that forceful when campaigning, we would have the Kenyan in but we really did need the wake up call.

      • Norm

        Sally
        I don’t remember it exactly that way. All John did was make an ass of himself by contradicting many of his own ideas. For someone who has been on “government option” healthcare all his life he really should have just shut up. He just needed some right wing brownie points for his upcoming political challange.

        • cr747

          Norm,,
          Obama is the one who made an a$$ of himself just like you do with everything you comment on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747 — Hi there! Welcome back.

          • cr747

            Hi Claire,,
            It’s good to be able to relax a little..Have had a busy 2-3 weeks..
            I have missed you and all the others that we have commented with,, I’m sure they know who they are.. Love You All,, and God Bless,,,,and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747–We need help on this site if you get my meaning!

          • Norm

            Now there you go again. Did you say you were a lawyer?

          • cr747

            Norm,,
            One of the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Joe H.

          ABNormal,
          At least Mcain has paid in spades for his care, can you say the same thing??? I sincerely doubt it!!!

          • Norm

            Getting shot up in war is a terrible thing but it doesn’t make you a hero, only a victem.

          • cr747

            Norm,,
            Yes I did,, but you can’t afford me.. You need to learn how to spell also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • D.H.

    Yes, I sat and watched the whole thing. The President tried to do the campaigning thing that worked so well for him in the election — didn’t work this time.

    Democrats will be the party of gone. I predict that you will not be able to find anyone who will actually admit to voting for Obama.

  • Sam Hammond

    I think it is time to cleanup our Gov. and get some good old red blooded Americans in office again.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I actually watched and listened to most of it. I was struck by the constructive tone that President Obama presented. I think both sides of the congressional participants were more dug in to the positions they’ve held over the last year on this. The Deomcrats wanted to get this done and all the Republicans wanted was for it to fail. There were a few of the Republicans I thought had a genuine interest in moving forward with some form of health care reform but their party’s leadership was shutting the debate down.

    • J C

      Socialized health care does not work. It is destructive in every aspect and has no “constructive nature” to it.
      This is not to say that we don’t need some kind of change.
      But the solution is less, not more government.
      Free market health care…”Genuinely” Free Market health care is something that hasn’t been tried yet and I think that’s the way to go.
      But, until we get an American who respects our founding principles and is willing to rout out the existing system of graft….
      all we can do is vehemently oppose communist health care.

      • Doc Sarvis

        What is on the table is not Socialized Medicine. It has some “social” aspects to it, as many other government programs do, but it is not a government take over.

        • DaveH

          It is Socialism. It may not be full-fledged yet, but it is a necessary step to their ultimate goal of complete government control. Most people (unlike yourself) just haven’t been thoroughly enough brainwashed to accept Full-Blown Socialism, so of course the Liberals have to be more subtle about it.
          You accuse the Republicans of being obstructionist, but answer this:
          If a guy approached you and said “I want your Car and your Wife”. Would you be obstructionist if you answered “You can’t have either!”. Or, should you compromise and offer him just your wife?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Your car and wife scenario is not at all analogous to the opposition to health care reform.

          • Right Wing George

            Doc………..you’re a dumb ass! That’s the only description that fits!

          • DaveH

            I wouldn’t expect you to get it Doc.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Right Wing George, you always add so much to the discussion.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Dave H – and I wouldn’t expect you to come up with an aplicable scenario.

          • Radical RW’er

            Thats why they call themselves Progressives. Step by step they progress to the left. Before we know it we are sitting on Mao’s front porch. This administration and the other stooges in Congress reject liberty. Isn’t it quite obvious by who they surround themselves with?

        • Denise

          It is the foundation of socialized medicine…..the “starter home”. Control of healthcare is the keystone to socialism.

          What’s on the table has nothing to do with HEALTH, and it has nothing to do with CARE. It has to do with power. Period.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com chuckg

            Denise,
            You are an intelligent, true conservative patriot. Doc Sarvis is an idiot who deserves a response only out of sympathy to his naive, liberal drivel. The current ‘health reform’ agenda is taken directly out of Saul Alinsky’s playbook for radicals. In fact, the usurption of our Constitution by appointing over 30 czars that are not accountable to anyone other than the POTUS is alarming. If the language in the current health care bill is implemented, it gives the Secretary of Health broad powers to define ‘later’ what is allowed and not allowed for care. If this is not government control, then I’m not sure what is.

          • Radical RW’er

            Bingo!

          • Dennis

            Thank you, I’m so glad to see that we are not alone, Now we just need about 250,000,000 more people to see it this way.

          • usmadgirl

            Denise & Chuckg,

            “Well said!” to both. I just thought of something when you (Denise) said this HC bill was a “starter home” & you (Chuck) saying it gives the “Secretary of Health” broad powers to define “later” what is or isn’t allowed.

            If you’ve ever been on any topic where I post a comment, you’ll know that I usually write a LONG comment. That comes from being a stickler for detail. It takes me forever to get all my thoughts together or proof of some facts just to write a comment (unless someone really POs me & I do a quick rant)! I just can’t present a thought in “shorthand” & I proof-read 10 times so the “progressive typo/grammar police” don’t issue me a citation!

            I’ve also been trying to write a book (in spare time that I don’t have much of) since September. I’ve only written 40 pages & I’ve already highlighted about 35 years of my life.

            My point is, have any of you considered how long it took to write over 3000 pages (for both) of this faux health care bill? Have you considered how much BS it would take to fill 3000 pages? Do any of you think that this thing was just thrown together right after O-dumbo took office? Do you think that CONGRESS wrote this thing, seeing how NONE of them KNOW what’s in it?

            I was taught that CONGRESS writes the bills that are voted into law. I was also under the impression that they were SUPPOSED to write the bills that represent THE PEOPLE! I honestly thought they sat down together, put on paper what their constituents asked for! So why is it now that Congress doesn’t even know what their arguing about? This crap has been written by SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS & in the works for a LONG time (before O-dumbo was elected), otherwise they couldn’t have compiled 3000 pages in such a short time & if Congress had written it & debated it as they were writing it, they’d at least remember most of what was in it!

            Not only is our Constitution being ignored, but even the very process of our 3 branches of government has been all but eliminated! I know that Republicans (I didn’t say Conservatives) have been guilty of not doing some things by the book, but the Progressives (I didn’t say Democrats) in office NOW have thrown the book into the flames!

            They have one agenda & they will stop at nothing to move forward…not the Constitution, Congress nor the People. They are making up the rules as they go! They & their agenda need to be exposed by more than Glenn & a few more brave souls! Since the MessiahStreamMedia is still enamored by his eloquent tele-prompter reading & wouldn’t dare defy anything their “savior” proposed, then we need to find some way to OVERWHELM the system. That’s what THEY’re doing so WE need to use their Saul Alinsky’s rules ourselves in order to retaliate!

          • Jana

            usmadgirl,
            These are some very thought provoking statements that you have just made. I do believe you have hit the nail right on the head. Of course it makes sense that the “special interest groups” have written most of this way before Obama even became Pres. Probably started when they backed him to run, so no, Congress didn’t write this bill. Some Congressmen were privy to it and added more radical views to it, but this really makes a lot of sense. How else could this happen so fast.
            I heard someone talking about how long it took the lawyers to write the agreements up for the Global Warming Summit. They said it took over 9 months to write and haggle over the details of a much smaller agreement than a 2700 page life altering so called Health Care Bill. There is no way they could have written this in one year, no way.

            Good Work.

        • RoBoTech

          Yes, it is.
          Simple as that.

        • Warrior

          Doc,

          You friends couldn’t pass the public option in the senate so they got creative. Don’t fool yourself, your party ultimately will craft this piece of &%^& to lead us into public option ONLY. That is the goal and if you really believe this is not in fact the case, than I feel you are not being honest with yourself.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Not my party, I’m an Independent.

        • J C

          Dave is right. Give them not one foot in the direction of controlling our health care.

        • cr747

          Doc Sarvis,,
          BULL

          • Doc Sarvis

            cr747, I’m impressed. You took three letters and made a four letter word out of them. Keep working on it.

      • Cella

        Right, right, Right. Kick all seniors off Socialist Communist government run health care. Problem solved, money saved. The budget is fixed.

      • Cella

        Socialized health care does not work. Smart people. GET RID OF MEDICARE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let everyone buy it from the insurance companies. That is the only way to be fair.

        • Tom

          Get rid of all government programs! Let’s hear it for privatizing freeway construction! Kick Gramps off Medicare — now there’s your ‘Death panel.’ Let have no education for anybody! And dismantle the military! I’m sure all the true Patriots on here are just typing while they are waiting to be shipped off to Iraq

          • Radical RW’er

            What an ignorant representation of what a conservative is/isn’t. Its not they we don’t want Gov’t – its the over reaching government. The government that is not adhering to the Constitution. Gov’t is granted certain powers which are needed in a civil society. Article 1 Section 8 – read it.

          • DDC

            Tom, I am a Navy Seal, but I’m not waiting to be shipped out to Iraq. Have already been there 3 times and to Afghanistan 1 time, and going back to Afghanistan in June

          • JC

            Plug your nose and blow hard, your head will pop right out! And don’t be alarmed…that’s “daylight” you’ll be seeing.

          • Jana

            DDC, thank you for your service.

          • DDC

            JC I don’t know a lot of our work is done in darkness. Maybe we will have a bright moon lit night. Well, sometimes that doesn’t work either. Thanks for the advice, all is good

        • DDC

          Jana, thank you, I do need your prayers. I have a bad feeling about this mission for some reason.

          • Joe H.

            DDC,
            Keep primed and God Bless man!!! RVN 70-71

          • Jana

            DDC, I will pray for you as I did for my husband. I prayed Isaiah 54:17. He had some very close calls, even had an IED go off on him less than 2 ft. away and it blew in the opposite direction from where he was sitting in the truck. He and his driver were spared. His convoy even drove over a live IED and it didn’t go off. The EOD’s came out and blew it up. They all knew Who kept it from going off.

            I have put you on my prayer list. When do you go?

            Though you walk in the valley of the shadow of death, fear no evil, for God is with you.

          • Jana

            DDC, I reread your previous post and see that you are being deployed in June.
            Isa.54: I pray in the name of Jesus that no weapon formed against you can prosper.

          • DDC

            Jana, Joe H, Claire, and whoever I missed, I can’t express myself enough to let you know how I feel to have people praying for all of our seal platoon while we are out of the States. In situations that we are in at times, we know that we can turn to God, and He will help us through. Also there are times when we think of family, friends, and even though I have never met you personally, I feel that knowing you are praying for me, and all soldiers on the battlefield that makes it a lot easier to fulfill our mission of keeping The United States of American soil free from terrorists and Wars here at home.

            So from me, and all the others over there keeping America safe, may the riches blessings of God fall upon all of you.

            Thank you and God Bless:

          • Claire

            DDC—-God bless you and keep you from harm. God’s arms will be wrapped around you wherever you go. My prayers and thoughts will be with you too. God loves you. Thank you from me and my family for your patriotism to America.

          • JC

            Come home safe. We need the good Americans here.

          • usmadgirl

            DDC,

            Please don’t say that! I was already worried about you! I haven’t been on here much in the past few weeks & on the few topics I’ve skimmed, hadn’t seen your comments. I had asked you in a topic awhile back when you were going back & couldn’t find which topic I’d asked you to see if you’d ever answered!

            I’m so glad you haven’t left yet! I like reading your comments! I know that you “have our backs”! I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciate your service & all the branches of the military, past & present! You guys are the reason we can still make our comments here, at least for the moment.

            That’s what angers & saddens me more than anything – all our rights, that you, my deceased husband (Marine sniper/squad leader Vietnam), a lot of my family members (Dad, Army WW II, Uncle-wounded Korea, husband’s greatnephew-3 tours Iraq), Tinwarble (Air Force-Saudi-Khobar Tower bombing)& so many others have sacrificed to protect & defend, to have these evil progressives determined to “transform” & destroy!

            You & all the others will be in my thoughts & prayers until you all return home. I also pray that when you do return, our country will still be a free, capitalist REPUBLIC & not a “Global State”! But for now, I’ll still be praying for you & continue enjoying your comments! God Bless You & Keep You Safe!

          • Jana

            Amen!

          • DDC

            usmadgirl, Deep in my thoughts today I kept telling myself that there was another Prayer Warrior that I had commented with. Was just going through the lists and came across your name, and I am so sorry that I had left you out.
            During my prayer time today I thanked God for all the Prayer Warriors on here that are praying for our country, and all the Girls, and Guys that are fighting in different parts of the world. With so much on my mind I had completely drew a blank.
            Thanks usmadgirl for remembering. It means a lot to know that I have another one praying for, not only me, but all soldiers and their families.
            Again, God Bless you, and all the rest. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

            PS
            God keep these praying safe from harm, and allow them your richest blessings,
            Please remember the families that have lost their loved ones in battles that have already been fought, and the ones that are still being fought.

          • JC

            DDC…
            The above “Plug your nose” comment was in NO way directed at you.
            I was responding to the same post you were.

          • eyewideopen

            DDC, I lost my son in Iraq, I will ask God to watch over you. Tonight you will be at top of my prayer list. Best of luck.

          • DDC

            Eyes thank you so much for the prayers, you don’t know how much they mean to me.
            Eyes I am so sorry about your son. As a seal we try to make everybody safe, but these people that we are fighting against are ruthless. God Bless You For The Lost Of Your Son.
            My prayers will be with you to.
            In another post I stated that I had a bad feeling about this mission, but knowing all of you are praying, and I am a Christian I know God will be with me while there.
            Again God Bless All Of You–and GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Yvonne

      Doc Sarvis, I also watched virtually all of the dog and pony show, and I was struck by how smug and arrogant the POTUS is. He smirked whenever he had to listen to a Republican, and answered condescendingly. He is unsuccessful at putting a few sprinkles on a dog turd and persuading the Repubs to eat even though he keeps telling them it’s a delicious donut. They say “throw it out and let’s make a donut together; we think it’s a dog turd you’re trying to feed us!” Yes the Repubs want a donut (health care reform) but not the one that was left on the lawn in the dark of night by the Dems.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Then you would think that the Republicans would have been working with the Democrats throughout the year to come up with something both sides could, if not agree, at least feel that they both have good input into the final legislation. President Obama left the door open for Republicans to work with the Democrats at the recent forum with no takers I believe.

        • Jana

          doc sarvis, You are wrong.
          The republicans have been treated like outcasts, and still are. Remember, bo said “I’m the President”. So he is in charge now, and he leads, he doesn’t listen. He is too good to listen and learn anything.

          • cr747

            Jana,,
            exactly the words that the ARROGANT president said.. A very foolish thing for a president to say.. Sounds like a 10 year old arguing with his sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • steven jeffries

          You’re a real piece of Work The embrace of Gov’t will take care of me Sucks This Man was picked and Groomed by likes of George Soros to dismantle The US!! I submit to the likes of You it makes my day and me stronger while working That 5 useful idiots I suport will be the 1st to go in the Boxcar THINK! Be self sufficient! its not bad and its healthy

        • eyewideopen

          Doc, this is from GAO in 1998 they knew we had a problem.
          http://www.gao.gov/products/T-HEHS-98-199
          Repubs didn’t want to address healthcare for the same reason they didn’t address immigration. Power!!! They wanted to keep the power. Both issues are hot potato’s. Feel sorry for Bush as he wanted to address both the mortgage issue and the immigration issue, but his republican Congress said no. I say, cancel the reforms and leave it for the repubs to try and fix, within 6 years it will be so bad, and then the repubs will have to raise taxes and try to get the dems to work with them. LMAO

          • Jana

            Eyes, I know you lost your son, and that is unimaginable to me as I have not lost any of my children, but I was wondering do you have any other children?

      • wwjd

        The republicans goal from the beginning of Obama’s presidency has been clear; to obstruct and do anything possible to “bring him down” (their words).
        What they have shown is that they are not interested in doing the jobs they were elected to do. They are not working for the country, they are working against the administration.
        All the venom and fear that has been spewed in the name of patriotism is very Un-patriotic and dangerous to the personal liberties of all citizens. Do you not think the Glenn Becks and Bill O’Reilys out there are motivated by their own greed? The BS they spout daily is so far out there, most of the time you only need use google to prove that they have no facts to back most of the hateful things they say.
        It is not contructive, it is destructive. If half the energy spent thinking up lies and moranic conspiracies was used to help our fellow Americans we would be in a much better place as a country.
        I’m sure there is someone here that will post and call me a ##@$% commie, lefty, yada yada yada. That is the kind of response those of us that still have HOPE for the country expect from those of you so filled with anger that you’ll say anything. Maybe you need to go build a house to the poor, or dig a well for the children in Africa that have to walk over desert for days to get water.
        God has blessed us with good people that will do it and they are in the majority. I’m sorry for those that can’t see.

      • usmadgirl

        Yvonne,

        You just can’t imagine how much I needed a laugh! (Had a bad day yesterday & like a lot of people, have a lot of stress on me right now!) This is the most honest, colorful, precise description of the health care debate & the summit that I have ever seen! You have described the faux “bi-partisan summit” flawlessly! Thank you for putting it into words everyone should be able to understand & for making me laugh out loud! I’m still laughing!

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      I don’t have access to the copy that I had. I did post it on one of these blogs, anyway the Repubs had many alternatives that they tried to propose on Nov 5th 2009 to no avail – that is what is so sad – that your pres not mine was trying to lead the US citizenary that the Repbs had not put forth any ideas of their own. I surely hope that his constiuants now really understand what a d___ lier this man is.

      • DaveH

        Sally,
        many of the Republican proposals, although admirable, couldn’t Constitutionally be mandated by the Federal Government, any more than the Healthcare Bill can Constitutionally be mandated.
        One power they do have though is to pass a law invalidating State laws that keep people from buying Health Insurance across state lines.
        Any laws they can Constitutionally pass should result in lesser Government, because Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution!

    • JeffH

      Eh whats up Doc Sarvis, do you really believe what you have just said? Of course you do! Obama conducted himself like a school marm scolding her pupils. He gave nothing that would significantly change his health care debacle. His contuct was unbecoming to the title he holds and his antics and speeches have become boorish. This is not a man of substance and might well be what we, the people, and this country have needed to snap us out of the daze we’ve been in for many decades. Yeah, there are many that need health care, but there are many more that want to go back to work so they can live a free life without big brothers help.

  • Lloyd

    Give grandma a pill was the key to obammas plan. One only needs to look at who he surrounds himself with. who think seniors are
    non productive and are a drain on the government. By getting rid of grandma, he achieves the following: 1. He rids himself of a generation of people who know why this country is great, 2. When this generation dies, he saves on Social Security, and 3. The government gets the Death Tax.

    • DaveH

      I’m inclined to agree, Lloyd.

      • Cella

        Yes, but the seniors are killing this nation. We the people can’t continue to give them great insurance. Maybe seniors children will have to start paying for their parents health care. But when everyone agrees that they do not want the government telling them they have to buy health insurance or providing free health care for people that just do not make enough money to pay for their own health insurance but then tax them to pay for seniors. Is is crazy. Seniors are just going to have to suck it in and pay a couple of thousand dollars a month like everyone else has to.If they can’t pay, oh well, not my problem. My sister is 61 years old. In perfect health, She has to pay 650.00 a month. If some senior is not healthy, they probably would not be able to get insurance unless they paid over 2000 dollars a month. Join the rest of the country. No free ride for anyone.

        • Larry Stanley

          You are way off base, I am not retired yet, my statement sent annually says I have paid so far over $100,000 in to Medicare?
          I wish I wish I had been given the opportunity to invest it rather than let them keep it and now say “Oh we spent it” and can’t afford to provide for you whe n you retire? Makes Bernie Madoff look like a Choir Boy?

          • eyewideopen

            Larry, don’t worry, with the cost of surgery and a 5-6 day hospital stay you would have used up that 100k in one visit. If you had it in the market, you would have lost it last year. Sitting in bank making 1.65 % interest isn’t very much either, so at least you have paid for care for the rest of your life. If you paid in 100K, you have been making one hell of a good salary, as we only pay 1.2% of our annual salaries. Good going. It takes a long time and a big salary to accumulate 100k paid in. However, since you did, the rest on this site should be grateful that you helped underwrite their care, prior to your useage.

        • Jay

          So the seniors are killing us, so what do we do just forget them (the ones who gave you your freedom and fought and sacrificed).I don’t know Celia if you know anything about medicare, but it isn’t free. You pay into it your whole working life and then when you retire, or are disabled as I am, you still have to pay every month. About $100 a month and that doesn’t cover any Meds. You have to pay extra for that. So don’t say we don’t pay for health care, because we do. If you want to jump all over someone who is free loading, then jump on the illegals. All 20 million of them. They walk into a emergency room for any kind of treatment, be it a cold or a cut finger, and walk out without paying a dime, and you and I pick up their tabs. They never just go to a doctor, they go straight to the ER. They know the system better then you or I ever will. You should go easy on seniors and people who are disabled as you will be one or the other in the future.

          • Cella

            We would not be having this talk about health care if the cost was only 100 dollars a month. The point is the cost is so high you retard that most people are getting to the point they can’t pay for it. Wages are down, you know union people make too much money. All the talk is about socialized medicine being so bad. Making us all live in a Communist country. If socialized medicine is sooooooooo bad, why the hell do all the seniors love it. Cause it is so cheap. Why would they want socialized medicine? They think they deserve cheap great insurance. Just go out and buy it like everyone else has to. Read all these blogs. If you can’t pay for it you do not deserve it. Seniors do not deserve health care no more than some woman with 2 kids out working for 12 bucks an hour.

        • http://betty@fwcofjackson.org Betty Lovett

          I do not think you know what you are talking about. I am 76 years old and I have worked since I was 15 years old. and I am still working. I Pay for my supplement insurance which goes up every year. I payed for A and B of medicare also each month. I do not make very much but I thank God I can still work. Don’t start talking till you know all the facts.

        • Jay

          Oh one more thing Celia, how do you expect a senior to pay $2000 a month for insurance when most only make about $1100 per month. You really don’t know what you are talking about. Why don’t we just do this, put them down like you do a sick animal. Hell they’re only seniors, not real people. You idiot, those seniors are why you can get online like this and spout off about nothing you know about. Let me ask you this, have you served your country in any capacity besides opening your big mouth. Have you fought for your freedom like I and millions of others have. That freedom that you take for granted. If it wasn’t for those bad seniors, you might be speaking German or Japanese today. But us poor sad seniors wouldn’t allow that. As for your poor sister, when she hits 62 she can start collecting social security and receiving medicare. God you really are pathetic.

          • Cella

            She can’t get Medicare till she is 65. If she draws her SS, she will take a cut. She is going to continue to work. My god, you can’t afford to pay for insurance. Join the crowd. Serving in the army has nothing to do with being able to get Medicare. The Medicare tax has not been around that long. It came way after 1965. That is when President Johnson signed it into law.

          • Claire

            Jay–Wonder if she is all “for” the so-called death panel?

        • kammie

          CELLA:) CAN NOT WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE A SENIOR. YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE AN ADOPTED CHILD WITH NO BONDS TO FAMILY. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND READ SOME HISTORY! THOSE SENIORS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LEFT YOU THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. AGAIN NO WORRIES WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND! HAVE A NICE END OF LIFE WHEN OTHERS ARE MAKING CHOICES FOR YOU:)

          • Cella

            The seniors that left us with the greatest country have no connection with being in the service and being on Medicare. The people fighting in Iraq today have no connection with Medicare. Down the road I guess they would qualify for insurance from the VA.

        • Pat R

          Cella:

          Do you consider yourself an authority on senior citizens? If so, you are lacking a lot of information!
          For Seniors to be able to get Medicare, they have to have worked and be qualified to be eligible to receive it. It also is not FREE. I, for one, have worked all of my life and paid all taxes just like everyone else. The Medicare Tax is on your tax stub or it should be. That amount is supposed to be paid to the Medicare Administration. Whether or not it is, is another matter resulting in Government procedures.
          Your remarks are totally off base and very selfish. I hope you will pray for your God to forgive your selfishness!
          I myself, have been paying every month and have never used one penny of it. (-$.01). I signed up when I became eligible because it would cost over $100.00 a month to sign up later on. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!

          • Cella

            Why would you want socialized health care? I thought this is what this is about. Like I said before, the medicare tax came long after medicare. All I am reading is socialized medicine is communist, bad stuff. Yet all the seniors think they deserve it???? Why would you want the government taking control of your health care. Just go out and buy it on the open market from a private insurance company. Remember it is not in the constitution, so why do we have government controlled socialized medicine. MEDICARE.

          • Claire

            Cella– May I ask how old you are? Just curious.

          • eyewideopen

            Cella, I must admit, it is pretty funny that the repubs and conservatives want to keep their medicare. For years, the repubs have been trying to privatize it, but NOW they are all screaming to keep it. The shoe is on the other foot and the repubs want socialized healthcare. Funny, just too funny. If Bush would have gotten his way in 2003 it would have been privatized and broke today. Oops, broke last year. SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE FOR REPUBS!!!! What a hoot.

        • Dorothy

          Cella – You sure made my day by saying “Seniors are killing this
          Nation.” You fit right in with Big O. I’m in my late 70′s. I have
          been working since I was 16 years old. God forbid you thank me and
          my friends for providing you with Freedom up to this point. The ball
          is in your court now – and God help us since you think like Big O.
          Oh, by the way, I have contributed lots and lots of dollars to Medicare over the years – I do not go to doctors, I do not use prescription drugs – I basically do not cost you a cent for my good health.

        • Jana

          Cella, good grief. You are stuck on one thing. Yes, its all the Sr.’s fault. It couldn’t be that your glorified hero is spending us into the poor house. It couldn’t be that we have so many illegals sucking us dry. It couldn’t be the welfare recipients who are in good health but choose not to work. It couldn’t be that you have blinders on.

        • Claire

          Cella — Seniors are killing this nation? What the heck are you doing? Saving the nation? Not hardly. Grow up.

          • cr747

            Claire,,
            I believe her to be about 6 the way she is sticking her nose in everybody’s business,, and up Obamas arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • cr747

            Claire,,
            so sorry for the language.. These comments are getting to me worse than court has the last two weeks..

            May God forgive me is my prayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747— And it is kids like this that will someday be running the country, or should I say “ruining” the country even more? I keep telling myself that there are still good kids out there. Maybe these two on this post will grow up eventually.

          • cr747

            Claire,,
            I don’t know,, nowadays young people don’t have any respect for the seniors.. Someday they will look back and see what a mistake they have made..

            I do have to say that I have a 26 year old Son that has not given my wife and I any trouble what so ever.. He is a super Son.. Also have a perfect Daughter that didn’t give us any trouble.. I thank God for them every night..Also have 2 Grandsons,, and a Granddaughter..They are all precious..

            I read where your Daughter was coming home,, I believe on another post..I know that your Children are precious to you also.. God Bless Them is my prayer for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747–It is libertytrain’s daughter that is coming home in June. My daughter got called back to work at Caterpillar, thankfully! And I agree about our kids. We are fortunate that they are good people. Bless all of them. And thank God we have them.

          • cr747

            Claire,,
            I remember now,, yes glad your Daughter went back to work,, my apology.. Claire may God bless your family,, and I pray they will continue to have plenty of work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Libertytrain,,
            Sorry,, Am so glad YOUR Daughter is getting to come home.. I know you are excited,, and can’t wait.. I am sure she wants to see her kids to.. May God Bless,, and keep them safe.. My prayers are with them,, “all of them”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • libertytrain

            cr747 – thanks – my daughter is just coming home on her 2 week leave, she still has at least 6 months to go. My son-in-law should be home in June sometime – unless they extend it more than the 3 months it’s already been extended.

    • Doc Sarvis

      This is completely false.

    • Joe H.

      Lloyd,
      Yeah that was Obummers idea, give gramma a pain pill instead of trying to make her better so she can be there for her grand kids a little longer. Just because he lost one so soon he expects everyone else to!!!

    • gfu

      You are stupid if you believe that, Lloyd.

      • J C

        Is he? Really?
        Actually I think he hits the nail right on the head.
        Think about it. His Hopiness himself said that older people would have to deal with “end of life issues”.
        And Lloyd is right about the financial aspect too.
        The way the spend without end government is going, they won’t be able to support SS any more. So just get rid of the problem seems to be the underlying approach.
        That and now the government serfs who have had the latest education
        (indoctrination) and know nothing of real freedom, who’s to stop the globalists from walking all over what was once a great country?
        Certainly not you people who’s input is…
        “If you believe that you’re stupid”.
        Gee, thanks for the intelligent and thought provoking input,
        now there must be an empty stool at a Starbuck’s somewhere…off you go!

        • Doc Sarvis

          I don’t know where your from but in this world all older folks have to deal with end of life issues. What is the big deal. All of us have to deal with it and the issue grows as we grow older.

          • JC

            The issue is a government held authority that can deny health care to someone just because they can no longer pay taxes. I don’t know what world you’re from but here its plain to see that the psychotic entrenched bureaucracy cares only about its bottom line and should NEVER be trusted with life and death decisions.

          • Jana

            The ‘big deal’ is it isn’t the governments place to decide when it is appropriate for someone to die that has done nothing wrong but to, as one person on this board put it, be stupid enough to grow old. That sounds like what some in the government thinks too. You know the Socialists?

          • DaveH

            My parents generation bought into the swan song of a compassionate government. Then their children got stuck with the mess. So our generation had to pay all our lives into a system that has been poorly managed by the “saviors”, and now that we are near the collection point, many Liberals are threatening to bankrupt our country with their profligate ways. Since Social Security has been nothing but a Ponzi scheme, the baby-boomers face the strong possibility of getting nothing back from all those years of forced investment.
            Only completely ignorant or greedy people can ignore the fact that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

          • eyewideopen

            Yup, dave and all the rest of us are paying for your parents ss and medicare, as they probably didn’t put in enough to pay themselves the 12k per yr for ss payments and within 6-7 period they usually use up all monies they put into medicare, while they live another 20-30 years. Most people have not paid that much into SS or medicare. Look at the chart and unless your parents were very wealthy and not making the average wage, they probably paid in around 200 a year in SS and 42 in medicare taxes. The average salary today is less than 42k, so, they are like everyone else, who is taking more than they paid in.
            http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html

          • J C

            EWO…unreal. You’re blaming working people for government theft?
            Well, you are after all a good communist, so I guess it’s understandable.

  • Paul Dawson

    First, it is a grave concern that the American people have filled our nation’s capital with the caliber of politicians that are now running (using the term loosely) our country. They are a disgrace to our founding fathers. These people need to remember that we hired them, we pay them, and they work for us. And, how did Nancy Pelosi get to become speaker of the house. We need to take America back before it is too late. I hope this November is a landmark election.

    • Ken123

      Paul, I agree completely but, we must find patriots that want to serve the country as opposed to those who want to place their loyalty to a specific party. Not saying one party is better than the other, just that there are people who understand the priciples of the founding fathers and we need to convince them to run independant of the parties. We, as voters mus place term limits on our representatives and make them live under the same laws they write for us. Cut their golden parachutes and place them on social security the same as the rest of us.

      • Right Wing George

        How about this…we remove anyone, NO MATTER WHAT SEAT THEY OCCUPY IN THE HOUSE OR SENATE, with more than two (2) terms. No more retirement with full pay with a minimum of one term and they get the same social security benefits and medicare that we all (average Americans)get and have to work for. AND no more old codgers that have been there for so long they can’t get out of their chairs!

        WHAT makes them all think that they are elite and we are not? Too many of them think they belong there!!

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          You don’t get it.
          Why have term limits?
          Many would loved to have Regan for another term.
          Many would love Obama have less than one term.

          Our founding fathers set up this country assuming that because it was “by the people” that we would know what we were doing, by at least learning how our government works, and watching what our “representatives” were doing.

          No, We have to clean house, but term limits is another binder on freedom to choose. We would be removing our freedom to choose to keep someone on that is better than anyone else running for that office. I choose to throw out those that do not represent us, and next vote, pick the person that is better.

          The answer is education and self responsibility, and stop looking at the government as the big teat in the sky. That is what made this country the greatest ever in history, and it requires us now to learn what that was and to do likewise. The ignorance and current course is killing us all.

          Unfortunately, the Democratic plan of dumbing down the people has been a resounding success. Proof? Obama got elected with his rhetoric instead of his qualifications. Only idiots buy what a liar says, instead of finding out who he really is.

          I weep for my grandchildren.

          • Claire

            JRBeaman— I agree with you 100% on this post.

          • Joe H.

            JRBeaman,
            the only problem with term limits is if you do get someone in that goes strictly by the constitution you loose him too soon. how long before you get another? I would rather do it by the vote. Get people to do their duty, don’t let them stay lazy!!!

  • James

    I agree with Brad, this health care thing is unconstitutional, and it is not what our founding fathers want for this country. And it is not what the American people want. This is just a matter of control for the Obama, and democrats he is already controling. We must all go to the poles in November and vote out all we can and take back OUR country

    • Cella

      Health care is so unconstitutional. How did they ever get Medicare through? Take our country back. People are going to stand up to seniors and get rid of government run health care now!!!! Pray for people to be free of the government. Buy your own health care from the insurance companies. I am sure the price will come down. If it doesn’t….too bad. Pay up or shut up….Down with Medicare. Working people are fed up with not being able to pay for their own insurance by keeping seniors on government run Medicare.

      • Jay

        Celia you really are an idiot. I hope you make it to be a senior and then you can see that you are not paying for me or any other senior. We have paid into the system all our working lives. And we are still paying for it. You should really read up on a subject before you get out in public and make an ass out of yourself. Oh by the way did you have a mother and father. Have you put them down yet because they are a burden on society. I would take one senior over any 10 of you young people who don’t know what it is to suffer and do without. If you were alive back in the 30′s and 40′s you would have never survived.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          You are correct.
          She might look into Hitlers “useless eaters”.
          She seems to feel the same.
          But then she is obviously ignorant,
          how else could she promote the userper.

          Sorry, but Barry is only the snakeoil salesman for Reed and Palosi,
          and she is buying it hook line and sinker.

        • Cella

          Yes, Jay. My father was employed by the federal government. He has some of the best insurance anyone could imagine. He is in a nursing home and pays 5000 dollars a month for his care. He is not on Medicaid. No free care for him. PS, I am 57 years old and work for a company that has great insurance at no cost to me. Worked there over 35 years and have a great pension and SS coming.The problem is you people did not pay enough compared to the young people today that are paying big taxes out of their checks. You paid pennies on the dollar. It was a great bang for your buck. The generation today will never get out of the system what they paid into it. If it is still around. Your generation paid little and got allot. Social Security should be a taxable income once you have got out more than you paid into it. The only problem is half of the country is on SS. And to even talk about a cut, or no raise is like a political massacre. It just boggles my mind that people complain about government run health care being so bad but seniors sure beat the door down protecting it, as a guarded little secret. Did you watch the show 60 minutes a couple of months ago. It was about senior health care. An 85 year old man weeks from death. Putting a pace maker in him to keep him alive a couple of more weeks. Crazy,,,,, The cost of health care has become so expensive, that maybe rationing might be the norm. Medicare for seniors is going to change. Mark my word. With millions of people being uninsured. When they have a job they are not going to continue government run socialized healthcare while they have none. Get a life.

          • Allen

            I am with you Cella, in a way, and I wish people would actually think about their comments before they contradict themselves. Yes we do need to get rid of all government run healthcare and other social services, but just dropping it and saying “pay your own” will never get through, as it should not. There are better ways. If people have paid more into the programs than they have received, then give them the choice of keeping the money where it is, have it placed into an interest bearing savings account, or have it fully refunded. If people have already received move than they have paid in, then, if they truly still need it, then continue but begin weaning them off. If they are still able to do anything at all, then have them work jobs or teach them web skills so that they can do some sort of work at home jobs, maybe ebay like Paul was saying above, or one of the many other opportunities available. If the people are truly unable to do anything for themselves, that would pretty much mean being bedridden in a coma, and they have no family, friends, church, or any other local help, then continue as is.

            But, the biggest thing to do now is to stop all funding of these programs. I am sick of looking at my pay-stubs and seeing nearly half of the money that I work hard for being garnished to subsidize these programs. I have no problem giving money to someone that really needs it and I have done a great deal of work with homeless shelters and food banks, but I do not give to large organizations that take 10%+ off the top for “administration fees”, so I have a huge problem with the government taking the money where I have no idea what admin fees are taken off the top or who it actually helps.

            Why can people not see that if you work on a job or if you give something to someone else, and that other person gives you something of value in return, let’s say that something in return is money, then that money in return is your property. The 5th amendment of the U.S. Constitution clearly states “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” This would include all tax money taken from us by the government, not just the money for the bogus programs. Now, I can accept military protection as just compensation (as long a the military is used for protection and not for controlling us), but money going to help lazy people to be lazy? I think that really requires compensation, and since it would be stupid for the government to give back a dollar for every dollar it takes away (assuming both transactions took place at the same time, otherwise the government would also owe interest), what other compensation could the government really give that they have not taken from someone else?

            So, what I am saying is that all of these programs are unconstitutional and need to be abolished. Otherwise, we might as well burn the constitution and bow down to the people gods of the earth.

            Now, in order to help healthcare prices, first lets get the government out of the business altogether. That means the FDA and government funded organizations like the AMA. This would also mean removing government control of the medical schools so that our doctors can actually learn how to cure or prevent diseases and not just throw countless pills at the symptoms and the side-effects of other pills. The FDA states that the only thing that can help someone has to be a drug. Why do we just accept this?

          • Jana

            Cella, why do you think that the SS is broke? Because they kept taking the money that was paid in and put it in the general fund.

            Like he said before you go spouting off maybe you had better learn your facts. Look at how you are presenting yourself.

          • Claire

            Jana–

            Thank you for speaking my mind.

          • cr747

            Cella,,
            Not that I owe you an explanation,, but I have payed in enough taxes each year to pay for 10 of your Dads expenses each month for the next 30 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Joe H.

            Cella,
            your story is bull. My Dad only had so so insurance and my mother had coverage from him. she was in a nursing home for the last four years and between his coverage and medicare, oh and a small gap policy from
            aarp it didn’t cost anything near that. If I remember right it was about 150.00 more a month!!!

        • Claire

          Jay–

          And thank you for speaking my mind!!

      • Marc

        Must be on the Republican/TeaParty Death Panel……oh, wait that’s supposed to be ours…..

  • Charlie Denger

    Time for reconsiling is near. The citizens (voters) surely know our political system is drastically flawed (broken). Now is the time
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    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Sorry but GOOOH promotes the flat tax instead of “none of the above”.
      They support term limits, thereby removing our freedom to choose.
      When they get this right, maybe I’ll support them.

  • Gul B.

    The President is a Profoundly Prevaricative Politician whose quality of Mendacity is Monumental.

    Such arrogance was never even exhibited by Al Capone or any of the other Godfathers.

  • George F.McLaughlin, CPA/MBA

    Ladies and gentlemen,
    It is time for our country to WAKE UP!!! We cannot continue to spend money that we don’t have and continue programs that we cannot afford as the dseficit continues to grow exponentionally. We must reduce government costs and spending so that the rest of the economy will be able to thrive!

  • Jennifer

    That man has classic narcissism. Indeed, he is not who he (unsuccessfully) portrays himself to be. I can undertand that he is convinced of his own subjective importance and righteousness as that happens often with those who have been elevated to power, but how do so many others look at him and not see who and what he is? So many of us have more than a niggling feeling that something is terribly wrong in the USA. Obviously, monstrous evil is afoot, and the battle is heating up. I can honestly say I will fight to the death for my children, grandchildren and subsequent generations. My question is whether there is an ability to repeal this health care monstrosity (should it pass) when conservatives are back in power.

  • http://danny Dannyboy

    I think Obma ,Nancy Pelosi,Harry Reid are Nephillims

    • Yvonne

      Dannyboy, You’re obviously not a scholar or you would not put an “s” (English plural) after “im” (Hebrew plural) making a double plural. Also it is spelled with one ‘L’ not two.
      So are you saying they are a race of giants that are sons of God and stand head and shoulders above all the others, or that they a human/alien hybrid that will bring about the destruction of the earth?

      • JeffH

        Yvonne, we’re not judging the scholarly or the grammar here, were judging Obama’s threat of reconciliation and his massacre of health care.

        • Yvonne

          That still doesn’t answer my question. Sons of God and Race of Giants or Alien Hybrids bringing about destruction?

          • usmadgirl

            Yvonne,

            Bible Dictionary

            Nephilim

            (Gen. 6:4; Num. 13:33, R.V.), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Gen. 6:4, “mighty men.”

            http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html#0woV2BFxzVWl

          • eyewideopen

            Usmadgirl, I sure hope those “Revisers” got it right. The human hand of man make a mistake? Do you believe in free will given by God?

        • Yvonne

          Also, Jeff, my “scholar” comment was in reference to Dannyboy trying to sound erudite by throwing out a word very few people know, without a followup explanation.

          • JeffH

            Yvonne, “erudite”?…practice what you are preaching.

          • Jana

            Yvonne, you might be surprised at how many of us know what a Nephilim is, so what’s your point? It’s not nice to be a smart alec.

    • Marc

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

      doesn’t all seem like a bad thing…..depends on which scholar you go with

  • Robin

    America’s got BO and he stinks. Ovomit is his name. All he does is barf up whatever one of his America hating hacks writes. What is it going to take to have the military arrest him and march him out of the White House? that guy is committing treason-did so in his private meeting with Holder when they decided to give aid and comfort to the enemy during war time-by trying KSM and company in NYC. Then the military should round up Pelosi, Reid and the rest of Congress, who have violated their oaths, as they are the enemy within. Have special elections, cut their pensions and house them at Alcatraz.

    • Tom Teacher

      I do agree wholeheartedly with your point of view but I think Gitmo would be a better location for their incarceration.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

      Robin, I understand your frustration relative to our military not simply going into the WH, arresting the “Narcissist-In-Chief” (NIC) for treason as well as the other members of the pirate crew from the “Pirates on the Potomac”. Chip, Glenn Beck or one of the legal analysts at Fox News can provide (after some research) a more comprehensive answer but until then I’ll provide some useful information to work with. Our military forces in both the active component (AC) and the reserve component (RC) are bound by three major precepts that preclude that from easily becoming a reality that we would see reported by all media outlets (should that happen). First is the oath everyone takes when they enter the service. The training and indoctrination they receive shortly thereafter and subsequently reinforced during their continued duties and military education stress the covenants of that oath. Service members take that oath fairly seriously in peacetime but live by during wartime. Review the oath for yourself. Next relates to the commissioned officers who have not only taken that oath but operate within an enforced code of professional ethics. Mutiny is punishable under the UCMJ and as such is a deterrent to executing your (and many others desires) for military personnel to arrest these puking oxygen thieves. Unlike our NIC officers have been relieved for cause and had their careers ended for violations of this code especially for violating integrity. I’ve seen it from 1st Lieutenant to Colonel. Some of them as simple as lying about having submitted a report they had not and others with far greater transgressions. Unfortunately not all the reported allegations of wrongdoing were actually investigated which allowed certain senior officers to proceed untouched by the routine enforcement others were subject to. Look up who can have federal arrest authority as it concerns military forces. I think you’ll find (generally speaking) the only American military force I am aware of that has federal arrest authority capable of arresting US citizens and foreign nationals is the US Coast Guard. They have had the mission of smuggler apprehension and coastal security since their inception. That later entailed drug interdiction and, due to necessity illegal immigration enforcement (usually from Cuba) but not always.

      In conclusion, other than not having the legal arrest authority, strong appearance of mutiny and serving under the code of ethics of commissioned officers, what you (and countless others) would like to see happen will not be done by them. Pose the question to those with the background and resources to get the answer of who can do that. I suspect it comes thru the findings of a special prosecutor as coordinated thru either the Department of Justice and/or the Supreme Court.

  • Fred Crosby

    I am not an authority but I believe once a bill has passed the senate and goes back to congress if the cingress approves it as is it goes to the President. If I am right all this BS is just that,a smoke screen. If pelosi(lower case intentional)gets her votes it is a done deal. obama has never presented a bill to either house. Watch these sneaky Devils(upper intentional)at all times.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Kupuna Dane

      I understand there are several law suits waiting to be submitted should the healthcare bill pass. I, for one, certainly believe it is unconstitutional to force everyone to have healthcare if they choose to not want it. Those that do want it believe it will be free, but wait until they have to pay a penalty for not purchasing healthcare.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Kupuna Dane

    I did not watch, but did listen on CSPAN. It appeared that when Republicans did get to speak, they voiced concerns from their constituents about the current health care bill and provided some very good points that apparently got Mr. Obama (can’t calling him President) upset because his tongue was tied trying to make a statement. Instead, the Democrats had to jump in to attempt to put the comment in a bad light. It appeared to me that Mr. Obama purposely chose the two opposition teams and hoped that the Republicans would look bad, however, I think that backfired on him and it was actually the Democrats and Mr. Obama that looked foolish.

  • Barb

    I didn’t get to see the Big Show but I did get some play by play and apparently a couple of our Republicans hit a raw nerve on Obama. I was told that if looks could kill both these men would be instantly dead! That Obama looked about as evil as anybody could. I’m sorry I missed that. I guess one of these Republicans was a junior congressman or senator not sure but young and refused to back down and be interrupted by his majesty. I’d love to know who it was, at least one or two does have balls! Obama never intended to listen to the Republicans, he was hoping to make them look bad but from what I gathered it went south for him, HA! What a monumental waste of time and effort and OUR money! Any guess as to how much that little show cost us tax payers? Chip, I like your suggestion I’ll be emailing my Senators and Congressmen today and we’ll see what transpires!

    • usmadgirl

      Barb,

      I think you’re talking about Paul Ryan. I like him! My Senator, Lamar Alexander gave him a pretty good run for his money too, but I’m mad at him because he voted to approve the so-called “Jobs Bill” hoax the day before the “summit”!

  • mlrose

    I liken Obama to a Tinker Toy, the ones that have keys in the back to rewind them when they run down. The key has run down and there is no one in back of him to re-wind. How tragic it is to see a man so enmeshed in his own self-adoration that he ignored the fact that this could have been an administration worthy of immeasurable accomplishments. It is also very sad that after giving so many Black people a real reason to be proud of their race, he has disgraced them, put a finger in their eye and didn’t even bother to thank them before he kicked them off the cliff. Thomas Sowell would never have done anything so terrible.
    As to the Healthcare joke, even if congress were to accept the same plan as they are determined to INFLICK upon us, you can bet your last Dollar (and it might be) somewhere hidden where none can see, they will still have access to their present perks, we just won’t see them. There is no one on the Hill that should be trusted and they all need to go. Let’s start a rally for: 535NEWFACES.COM

  • Robin

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/obama_the_african_colonial.html

    the best article I have read on the sick king baby in the White House.

    • Warrior

      Thanks Robin,

      This is a must read for everyone. It certainly gives clear perspective to current situation. He will attempt to destroy us before 2012.

    • DaveH

      Very good article, Robin. I especially liked this line:
      “Imperialists are not interested in equality for all. They are interested in controlling all.”

      • eyewideopen

        Just like those Birchers right? It is interesting that the Libertarians and the John Birchers are hoping for a blood bath between Americans. http://www.livingston.net/wilkyjr/link28.htm
        I was so surprised that the Koch family was so involved with funding the Cato Inst. Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity and they helped start the John Birch Society. Since they are the second richest private company, they probably have even more funds to donate than that bad man George Soros. Koch ind. gross is around 90billion. You go Dave, your guys have more money than the dems guy does.
        I was starting to like the libertarian ideals, until I found out they are hooked up with the John Birch Society. Really a big disappointment that Ron Paul endorses them.

        • J C

          ewo, I don’t believe Libertarian’s are hoping for a blood bath. They do seem to be more aware of the history of maintaining liberty and less afraid of the task that may be at hand though. As for the Birchers…well I guess we can’t help that some groups may attach themselves to us. I’m not si sure it’s a bad thing though, time will tell.

    • Barb

      Robin,
      Thanks for posting this great link,what a great article. The dems aren’t gonna like this but I’m glad the truth is finally trickling out! Thanks again I needed that!

    • Yvonne

      Excellent, Robin! That fits him to a “T.” I certainly see the “despot” in him. And he just can’t understand why Americans don’t want that. He did not get all of his education in the US so he is clearly not as knowledgeable of American history as he should be. What a travesty this administration is.
      Thanks for the link; I’m sending it on.

      • J C

        Yvonne, perhaps in his self adoring vanity he actually believes that the entire country is as stupid as the people who elected him…yes we can yes we can…zeig heil zeig heil…
        See what I mean? Mindless morons.

    • usmadgirl

      Thanks Robin!

      Great article! American Thinker is one of my favorite sources of information. Just more proof of what we already think!

  • ConnieJ

    After watching this fiasco, even the Democrats are getting fed up with all the corruption and are ‘retiring’ like rats leaving a sinking ship. What I would like to know is — Just how much ‘retirement’ benefits (money and health care) are we being stuck with, paying these miscreants for the rest of their (and their spouses) lives? How many billions of $$$$$ does it take to get rid of them? TERM LIMITS! TERM LIMITS! TERM LIMITS! And get rid of the lifetime retirement and healthcare benefits. Go on Social Security like the rest of us are forced to do.

    • Barbara O’Bryan

      Way to go Connie! I’m a Senior Citizen (73) and still working full-time because I like it; I resent what this administration is trying to do to us. Their presence is a SCAM and if this bill passes, then I can hardly wait for them to age and get a taste of their own “pill”!!

      • Denise

        Well said Connie! Yes, we need TERM LIMITS!
        Barbara O, You rock! I want to be doing the same when I’m 73! You’re an inspiration.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      TERM LIMITS?

      You want this because you don’t have the balls to vote someone out?
      Remove our freedom of choice because you don’t want to bother doing your homework and making an educated decision? Too hard for you? Wimp.

  • http://hihdalh@uwstout.edu Rod Hildahl

    Obama comes across as arrogant, elitist and condescending. This health care charade is merely the tool to totally control the American people….many of my friends see this,as do I. Tied in with this will be the ultimate destruction of our econmic system, again, “health care” being one of the tools to do it. Sol Alinsky, mentor to Obama and a student of Karl Marx, considered universal health care and the corresponding financial chaos that goes with it, fundamental in de-stabilizing a country. Many of us in fly over counter see this. I am a very active 68 yrs. old and have seen an incredible change in American culture since I first voted back in the early 1960′s. JFK, Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan would be appalled for the ease with which this travisty is being foisted upon America. I am so thankful for people like you who are standing in the breach. May God bless your efforts !!

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      The Palosi/Reed Obamacare is payback to the unions that helped get him illegally elected. It would give the unions total control of the entire health care industry, and require all health care professionals to join and pay them dues money.

      It has NOTHING to do with “helping” the people. DUH!

      All of this is arguing about details instead of just saying NO!

      It is a famous ploy to give concessions for your vote. But it still is a vote for socalized medicine and huge administrative costs like all the other government run programs.

      The correct answer is: NONE OF THE ABOVE. PERIOD.

  • Emily

    Obama is not only stubborn, he is sooo arrogant. I stopped watching after he told Sen McCain “the election is over” in other words I won you lost.I can’t wait till 2012, in the meantime lets take Congress back in Nov.

    • American

      Emily, don’t you think it’s odd that even though “the election’s over” obama continues on a daily basis, and at every opportunity, to campaign not only on his own behalf but on the behalf of other democrats facing elections? Just another example of who not to be an effective president. It seems to me that any viable president would spend his time on the real job at hand and not on running around the country campaigning for his friends. Then again, we don’t have a viable president.

  • http://JOLSONBALDWIN.COM CLIVE BALDWIN

    IN ANSWER TO THE GENERAL COFUSION ABOVE AND OF THESE POST WOODSTOCK TIMES, HERE’S MY IRREFUTABLE RESPONSE AS A 75 YEAR OLD YORKSHIRE BORN- PROUD CITIZEN OF THE U,S.A. WHERE ONE IS NOT A SUBJECT OF QUEEN LIZ—-OR ANYONE ELSE—-YET.

    THE SUMMER OF LOVE

    Bars on the Windows locks on the doors that’s the fruit of the summer of love.
    Panhandlers drug Peddlers Clinton and Gore that’s the fruit of the summer of love.
    In 1967 you had aged to twenty-one the permissive generation; not controlled by anyone.
    You are our sons and daughters and you’re here to orchestrate the one-world governmental power that will have a sorry fate.
    To homogenize humanity is clearly your intent, in defiance of the lessons taught in God’s Old Testament.
    You’ve built a Tower of Babel called the worldwide Internet, and perversion is approved of by the gay and lesbian set.
    And you do not respect the past it has no relevance, you disobey your parents, their traditions make no sense.
    “Trust no one over thirty” was your destructive bawl well now you’re over fifty and there’s no trust at all.
    You children of the new age have transformed wrong to right your non-judgmental P.C. declares it’s wrong to fight.
    But fight we must against a foe Satanic as can be, who’s emptied churches, filled the jails, it’s plain for all to see.
    It is written in the Scriptures that children shall oppress, and if we tend to spare the rod, they’ll do it more, not less.
    This honest observation proves the bibles words are true, read Second Timothy Chapter three, it is describing you.

    Quote, “In the last days perilous times shall come, for men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, proud, boasters, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. For of this sort are they that creep into houses of silly women, laden with sins and led away with diverse lusts, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” End quote.

    I need to add a postscript to this rhyming expose’ you’ve had your revolution we see it more each day.
    Of course you couldn’t know it but, God is using you, you’ve proved the truth of prophecy with all the things you do.
    It’s not God’s thing to force you to recognize His power. He pleads for you to come to Him before the final hour.

    Clive Baldwin. August 9, l993.

    • mlrose

      Clive, I have been preaching this Woodstock thing for a long time. Yes you are 100% right. Between Woodstock and Roe V.Wade we have been royally screwed. No pun intended. Why in the world would we ever want to celebrate either one?

    • Barbara O’Bryan

      Thank you, Mr. Baldwin, for bringing God back into the picture/equation. I still believe in …”unto thine own self be true”… but, sadly, it doesn’t exist in Washington.

    • Yvonne

      Bravo, Clive. Well done.

    • usmadgirl

      Clive,

      Thank you!

  • Tea Bagger Tim

    There are several objections to this legislation.

    The primary objection is that our government can not afford to provide for the public what the public should provide for itself.

    Another objection is that the road to spiraling health care cost was paved by government intervention through Medicare, medicade and an unchecked litigation process. The current legislation being purposed will not produce a different result, but rather lead to further cost increases.

    The root of the health care issue is actually beyond the objections and may be difficult for many to accept. The fact is that health insurance should have never evolved to the point of covering every nuisance of health care.

    For example, we do not expect our home owners insurance to pay to have our house painted, nor do we expect it replace the roof unless it is damaged by a catastrophic event. We also do not expect our automotive insurance to fix the transmission in our cars. These examples can be quite costly. Yet we expect our health insurance to pay hundreds of dollars a year for our medication, when there are changes that we can make in our lifestyle that will eliminate the need for mediation. We would be much better suited to adopt those changes rather than expect to be rewarded with health care that at best can only prolong the problem.

    In the Great American experiment, if nothing else, we have learned that freedom is never free. The obvious conclusion is that we can not expect that we would or should receive any benefit without providing the means to pay for it. We must adopt individual responsibility, which can not be legislated and corporate charity, which can not be shackled by the bonds of law.

    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

    “You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.” Abraham Lincoln

    • DaveH

      Well said, Tim.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Psalms 2009

        Obama is the shepherd I did not want.
        He leadeth me beside the still factories.
        He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.
        He guideth me in the path of unemployment
        for his party’s sake.
        Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
        I shall fear no hunger, for his bailouts are with me.
        He has anointed my income with taxes,
        My expenses runneth over.
        Surely, poverty and hard living
        will follow me all the days of my life,
        And I will live under his debts forever.

        I am glad I am American,
        I am glad that I am free.
        But I wish I was a dog,
        And Obama a tree.

        • J C

          Now there’s some poetry to suit the times.

    • GFY

      (comment removed for offensive content)

      • JC

        Now that’s an offensive remark.

      • usmadgirl

        GFY

        You’re disgusting!

  • John O

    I watched about two hours of Obama’s rhetoric and couldn’t take it any more. I had to give him the benefit of the doubt about how bipartisan he was going to be. After his opening statement I knew there was not going to be any bipartisanship on health care. This egotistical maniac only had a plan for “my way or the highway”. After Senator Alexander gave the Repub remarks and Odumbo response to those remarks were all negative, I knew it was going to be a long day and switched channels to avoid raising my BP any higher that it was at that moment. This wasn’t a summit on healthcare but a dog and pony show put on by Odumbo, Nancy the Botox Queen and Dirty Hairy.

  • Jeff Mikos

    I was very aprehensive going into the last election. The USA had fallen into a deep form of political alcoholism called Big Government and Big Government spending, but they are one in the same. Like an alcoholic we had not yet hit rock bottom. If we had elected a RINO like John McCain it would have simply slowed the rate of decline and further delaid our eventual recovery. It was a fine line we had to cross with obama, but he did not disappoint. If he had been a moderate we would only be slightly worse off than with McCain. Luckily he has proven to he a far left socialist who is arrogantly forcing his left wing agenda down our throats. This has allowed us to reach rock bottom and the recovery has started. With the help of the Tea Party movement, people like Glenn Beck, and the few true Conservatives in Congress we are on our way back. As political alcoholics we will never again be able to take a sip of the socialist soda again knowing that it will take us right back to this moment. We must never again forget how close we have come to the total destruction of the greatest country in the world. The only thing the obama administration and left wing will be able to reconcile is how much they have underestimated the American people. Liberty, Justice, and Freedom for all – God Bless America!

    • Yvonne

      Jeff, I agree. When Obama was elected I said, “That’s the best thing that could happen to the Conservative movement. This will get the “Silent Majority” shouting from the roof-tops.” Thanks for the “Wake-up Call.”

  • Eric

    This is just one single avenue of attack against the nation by these globalist power mongers. When you note each act they are invested in the picture comes into focus. The intent is to dissolve sovereignty, financially regulate the people into submission to laws imposed by an elite group of people with whom you will never mingle or converse. The description of this scenario was not invested in by the founders simply because it was so far fetched they assumed we would see it coming and take whatever action was available. They did not have the foresight to assess the modern communications, transport and weapons but they did want us to incorporate the threats made possible by them. Read federalist 28 and in particular p6. There was a great deal of investigation into the possibilities examined throughout the Federalist papers as that is basically what they are. In this p6 instance, they offer little hope of the people recovering from such an act. We are there and this health care debate proves it. The votes will seal it. Then the cap and trade financial harness will be placed on you, the anti-gun treaty will be implemented and no matter what the supreme court rules in Macdonald the power we will face, yes it is global, will require a divine stroke to defeat. I am reminded by a Shakespeare line from Macbeth “To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
    Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
    To the last syllable of recorded time;
    And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
    The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
    Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.”

  • http://mac.com Stutz

    This President is already bought and paid for George Soros, the labor unions, more specifically SEIU, and the like. They will jamb thru every ounce of government regulation and anti American (green) growth legislation they can because they are betting against us, the American people. It is so preposterous that honest hardworking folks like ourselves can’t believe this reality. It is time to throw them all out and bring in all new folks who will campaign on a pledge to VOTE for term limits and to END their own lifetime benefits as the reward for being elected.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Why does everyone want term limits?

      It removes your right to re-elect the better
      candidate when no one else better is available?

      Giving up your options is NOT A GOOD THING!

  • Bud H.

    I watched from the start and was very pleased to hear that the Republicans had done their homework. But very quickly one could see from which direction the wind was blowing. Everything said by the Republicans was immediately labelled as “talking points” by the appointed one and so so often he’d interupt with “I don’t mean to interupt” (but just doesn’t know how to keep his mouth shut). The icing came early when he called “HIS” bill, the whole big 2000 plus pages, “a prop” brought in by a young republican representative. I knew right then that the rest of the day was a waste of time. And as it turned out, it was………

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Throw everyone out?
      Term limits?

      Are you too lazy to do some research and choose who would be better, the one in office, or the new candidate?

      Was Bush Senior better than Ronald Regan for those 4 years?

      I think not. You need to think thru the options instead of parroting the uninformed, be it from either party.

      Childish categorical new rules do not allow us the freedom to think for ourselves and choose someone that would represent us better.

  • GUssery

    OBAMA is a STRICT “BRED in HELL” Progressive Socialist and that’s why he persistant and obsessed with destroying the America as We know it. Progressivism is the root of all evil in america. Just Look at History.
    I do Have A QUESTION, Why Do Most All DEMOCRATS hate america, and many of them disguise themselves as RINO Republicans. We must pass TERM LIMITS and revamp our american government back to the constitution and constitutional form of government. It Was Never Intended that Politicians have a lifetime Job in Washington, Just Look When The Are Voted out of office, most of them stay in Washington become Crooked lobbyists. We Must Send them Back so the have to face the people back home everyday for their evils.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Term Limits and Flat Tax are promoted by only ignorant and lazy people that want the decisions made for them. We need less constraints on our country, not more, like they would be. We need more responsiblity from “the people”, not less as this would do. Think thru the entire process again, or are you too lazy? Term Limits and Flat Tax is just another way of giving the government the power to manipulate us at our own request.

      • GUssery

        This Reply from JRBeaman, Does Not Respond To My Comments, It Tries To Change The Subject, Term Limits Is What The Original Founding Fathers Intended, not eternal power grabbers or dictators, Anyhow, Who said anything about Flat Tax. Read and comprehend More And Show Your Own Laziness And Ignorance less

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          No, it addresses your promotion of the flat tax.
          That is what I was replying to, right there in your statement.

          Again, instead of debating the issue at hand, you attack the messenger.
          It is so obvious that you do not think, nor read, and your reply to mine is nothing but the temper tantrum of a spoiled child.

          • GUssery

            Flat Tax Is Never Mentioned. Attacking The Messenger seems to be a characteristic of yours. I have read many of your comments and you are definitely mis informed in many of your answers.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Go re-read your history.

          Our founding fathers offered George Washington the position of king, if he wanted it. The term limits were added much later, and not by any of our founding fathers. You need to do some more homework before parroting the ignorant that have obviously influenced you.

          Term limits takes away our option to re-elect.
          Term limits force removal regardless of value.
          Term limits make the decision for the lazy.

          Of what value do you see in term limits?

          I have seen nothing in your whining that shows that you have thought this out under the guise of our Constitution or Founding Fathers divinely inspired plan.

    • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

      GUssery;
      Term limits are not the answer. Why would you want to loose a good conservative in Washington that represents what you stand for, to “term limits”? Vote the rinos and liberals OUT! Use the voting booth! That’s what it’s for.

  • Mark

    It is completely evident the Mao Bama (AKA Barry Soetoro) is a fraud, is a total empty suit clown, and is unqualified for that office. This health care charade is just one glaring example. I just can’t understand the sheep who voted for that charlatan. Whenever I hear a twenty something asked why they voted for Barry, they invariably say they don’t get into politics!! Are these kids stupid or just dumb? This is the future of our country? Unfortunately it is. That generation is the most uneducated in our history. This is why we have Barry the party boy in chief as our so called leader. But I truly believe that charlatan pretender born in Kenya is going to go down in defeat in November and 2012. We the opposition will turn out the vote and Barry’s minions will stay home out of embarrassment.

    • Eric

      How about putting the voting age back to 21? That takes out a huge chunk of lemming and would place more weight on the wisdom of age.

      • DaveH

        We just need to be more vigilant in our school choices for our children, all the way up to college. If your kids are coming home with Socialist ideas, find another school.
        We need to push hard for the voucher systems, so parents can choose which schools their kids attend.
        No More Propaganda Schools!

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Seems the Democraps have had this plan for years, by federalizing our education system. Since then, their plan to dumb down the people has been a resounding success. Proof? Obama got elected.

          I think to vote you should have to pass the same test required to become a citizen. Maybe then you would know what the hell you were voting for.

          • DaveH

            If I had my way, every adult would pay exactly the same taxes. Those that couldn’t pay would be the ones that had to fill out paperwork explaining why. And in any year that they were behind in the tax payment, they couldn’t vote.
            If every voter had skin in the game, you can bet they would vote for a lot less government.

          • eyewideopen

            DaveH, does that mean that the 2/3 of the corporations who aren’t paying taxes now would have to pay?? Oh, goodie,,finally the corporations would have to contribute, wouldn’t that be nice for a change? Let me guess, you would let all the coporations be tax exempt wouldn’t you? Yup,I knew it. United Corporation of America is your goal.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Dave, I’d like to add to your idea.

            If you can’t read and write English, you don’t vote!

            If you’re on welfare, you don’t vote!

            If you’re an illegal alien, you don’t vote!

            If you’re NOT a U.S. citizen with an actual BIRTH CERTIFICATE, you don’t vote, and you don’t become POTUS either!

  • Rod RiveraSandoval

    Being a smug, arrogant and condescending person is common. Combination that easily rebounds in a boorish attitude. This shows the unbalance feelings that produce controversial manifestations. That makes the person conceive failure as a common companion. All this happens when feels pressed in a way that could lead towards an offense. The president is a common person. Lets give him a chance!

    • Eric

      He’s had a chance and refuses to comply. When you misbehave in DC you first get discord then you get the cold shoulder and then you get the subpoena. Obama has had a subpoena since before he was sworn in. That ought to tell you something.

    • Jennifer

      Hunh?

      • Eric

        Don’t say you weren’t aware of Obamas’ dodging the law since before the election. His skin is only on his butt because our courts are slower than glaciers. Actually that has been good for only one reason, the rest of the rats are being uncovered as the bailout fraud investigations proceed.

        • DaveH

          I think she was talking about Rod’s difficult to understand comment.

    • Jana

      Rod Rivera Sanoval, You are so right that Obama is a common person.
      He is definitely a smug, arrogant and condescending person with a boorish attitude, as well as being unbalanced. Just as you stated.

      He has had 13 months now and we are in much worse condition than when he started. He has had his chance. He doesn’t need more ‘chances’ to ruin this country further.

  • Warrior

    The progressive’s see this as probably their best and last opportunity, for possibly a very very long time, to push a major agenda item of theirs to finally gain absolute control of American’s lives. They WILL make whatever sacrifices necessary to push this legislation through including MAJOR losses of governing seats. The recipe for the perfect storm this November is almost complete.

    Identify each individual who votes thumbs up and come November, we will give them a resounding thumbs down! Stay strong Americans.

  • diane

    The summit was a tragic boondoggle for the dimocrats. It showed up how outrageous Obozo is and what kind of non leader he is. I could only watch about an hour because all of the crooks….i.e.astroturf pelosi, reid, obozo et. al in one room made me want to puke. I cant stand hearing them lie about every awful thing they are doing to We the People. It was obvious the Republicans hammered the s…t out of them

  • DaveH
    • Warrior

      DaveH,

      Go to the link on Robin’s message above. In case you haven’t read yet, this sums it all up.

  • DaveH

    John Fleming on his Healthcare Proposal:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrwS_FOFjpA

  • http://ordy@fedtel./net Eric g

    I’am in favor of medicare for evreyone , Already the people on welfare have healthcare if they have medicaid . I’am also in favor of amendment 28 , Making the government pass no laws that doesnt treat all US citizens equal . As i have mentioned before a mailman and a paperboy do kinda the same work , accept a paperboy has to collect too . There is considerable difference in their compensation . Social security should be the only government pennsion , this would strengthen social security . and would cutback on runaway government liabilities . We just have to have a more just honest government , that stops making all these promises that can only be kept by rigging another ponzi scheme with inflation .

  • George M

    I watched just long enough to confirm my suspicion that this was but a sham. This arrogant S.O.B. of a president thinks he is emperor, not president. I am serious about this, his wife has 22 personal assistants (at a taxpayer cost of $1,375,000 annually) – All other First Ladies have had one (except Hillary who had 3 and I bitched about that). I vetted this guy long before the election and told many people about him and what would happen if they should vote him into that position. (I was castigated by my Democrat “friends”) Most of those who did vote for him have quietly approached me since to say I was right. Other than ACORN, SEIU and some other idiot union members, I don’t know a single Republican OR Democrat who will vote for him in 2012. We have a “stopper” in the Senate now so no more progressive legislation will see it through the super-majority vote but this sick horse of a bill is already out of the barn. Somebody needs to shoot it and put it out of its misery.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      AH HAH!

      Someone who did their homework before voting, and acted as a patriot by helping educate his fellow man.

      You are too rare.
      Our founding fathers assumed the majority would do likewise.

      How sad the ignorant sold us all out.

      Kudos to you, God bless you and those you love.

  • Ronald D Johnston

    This political suicide is planned. These traitors are not interested in health care. They are purposely tearing down our country. They think that the terroist obama can use executive orders to finish taking over the country.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Osama Bin Laden must be relieved that he does not have to continue his plan to defeat America, as the Democrats and ignorant followers are doing it for him. He must be rolling in laughter in his grave/cave.

  • Eric

    Let’s take a look at the big picture. Next up is his Cap and Trade off of our sovereignty. Hiding it in the UN global climate change agenda is no less than a slick manipulation of your fears. Given that will fail and likely become a legal nightmare for all involved ; http://www.pjtv.com/video/Specials/_COMPLETE_PJTV_INTERVIEW_Climategate%3A_Al_Gore_Doubles_Down_%26_Lord_Monckton_Ups_The_Ante_Against_Him/3174/

    There in nothing much left but for the constant distraction of the American people lest they come calling with a demand he surrender under oath to their will. Let me count the lawsuits he is avoiding with the aid of Holder and his progressive buddies infecting the federal courts…..thats a list too extensive for here and I suspect most of America knows enough of it already. Bye Bye Barry!

  • Bonnie

    It was the same sob stories from the Dems who have no defensive for this obvious healthcare takeover instead of healthcare problem fixes. The Republicans offered construction criticism and viable solutions that fell on deaf ears. Cantor brought a copy of the bill, which was the subject of the summit, and was accused of using a prop. Maybe this bill is a prop to cover up this administration of socializing our healthcare. I think Obama used the word prop, because that is exactly what it is.

    • Dennie

      Yeah, don’t you love how he accused the right of using “props” at the HC summit because they brought an actual copy of the point of discussion into the room…..then less than a week later, he used the “docs” in the white lab coats again as his very own prop. His actions are consistently hypocritical, his words are lies…consistently!

  • Donald Cox

    It was obvious that the meeting was a Sham.The powerful RESIDENT that
    lives in the White House never intended anything,except to force his will upon the Public,in spite of their not wanting his version.Obummer
    needs an attitude adjustment!

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him?

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Oops, then Biden would be pres……
        So then we would have to….

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          O crap, then Palosi would be pres,
          and I think that would be worse…

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            We in deep doo doo folks, and simple answers will not fix it.

            We MUST go back to what made this country great, and require the Supreme Court to throw out all laws and Government agencies that are unconstitutional. Until then we will continue the path to our own destruction, just like Lennin predicted.

            The first one is to reverse the “money given to politicians is a form of free speach” when it is truly bribery and graft.

      • Claire

        JRBeaman—Shame on you. How dare you say such an evil thing? I am not perfect and I do not agree with what is going on in our government right now, but I would never say anything like that regardless if the President was Republican or Democrat. There are enough nuts out there in the world. Why egg them on? Think about this–if something were to happen as the result of your comments, how would that make you feel? Judging from your comments, it would probably make you feel real good. But remember this- be careful what you wish for and what you say–it will always come back to haunt you. Think about this the next time something “bad” happens to you or your own family. What goes around comes around. Have you ever heard of voting people out of office if you don’t like them? You have the freedom to vote for whomever you want, so do it, instead of spewing evil.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          I only verbalized the process of thinking thru this possibility.

          In no way was this to be seen as anything but a fruitless process not only in the outset, but also when you follow the process to its conclusion, which I also stated, as being a bad idea to begin with.

          I fear you have misread it as the initial shock of the first idea clouded your comprehension process.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          I wonder, did you even read the one just above your reply?
          If you had, I think you would not have replied as you did.
          My conclusion to the sequence of thought showed your
          assumptions to be incorrect. I was in no way promoting it.

          • Claire

            Fine, but if you weren’t promoting it, then why say it?

  • Ric

    The Summit was nothing more than a platform for more of Mr. Obama’s political grandstanding. It will now allow Mr. Obama to say that he offered an “olive branch” to the Republicans and they turned it down. If it had been an honest forum on Mr. Obama’s part, he would have acknowledged the serious divisions within his own party and the fact that the American public is overwhelmingly against Obamacare. I wish I knew precisely what Mr. Obama’s agenda is. It is apparent from his actions over the past 14 months that he is systematically dismantling our Republic as we knew it. His dictatorial manner is reminiscent of the Nazi takeover of Austria. It starts with sweet talk and promises and ends up with an iron-fisted, dictatorial rule. I categorically reject a neo-Nazi or neo-Soviet government in this country. Fortunately, people are beginning to wake up and realize that it could indeed happen here if we let it. Thank God for forums like this where we can examine the truth.

  • SLC

    I call for another American Revolution! One to keep what our Founding Fathers fought for us to have today because it is now quickly being taken away from us!

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      The frog was in the pot around 1930 and he is now being eaten.
      (From how to cook a frog, go look it up)

      The obvious answers by the thinking American are being ignored by those we trusted our well being to. Seems we need a few businessmen in the whitehouse, and not more lawyers.

  • RAY DE MEO

    On a cold grey morning not to long ago, I watched this man raise his right hand & swear to protect & uphold our constitution……well you can’t lie to we the people of America and expect our respect. Speaking as a Navy vet ( 1974-1977 ) I am sad to report, I have no comander & chief at this time. Even the poor saps who voted for Obama feel betrayed & lied to. The pompas ass liveing in our White House has to stand down & change his unAmerican mindset !!!

    • Barbara

      YES! YES! YES!

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Unfortunately he has no reason to do so, he has 3 more years to do even worse for this country than he has already done, and he knows he can do it without repudiation.

      Deadlines, like three more years, give him the room to continue to work his devastation on our country. I believe that the only way to thwart his plan at all is to remove his minions as our ‘representatives’ that do his bidding are no longer there. It will not remove the cancer that he is, but it may at least slow it down until he too can be replaced.

    • J C

      Thank you for your service and thanks for noticing the Obamunist usurper told yet another lie, broke yet another oath…
      I hope all the military people have noticed and feel the same way you do.

  • Barbara O’Bryan

    You got it, Bonnie. Washington has been stripped of conscience and it will not be restored without the Grace of God!

  • Bill

    I did watch the first 30-45 minutes of the summit
    I thought it sad. Sad how potus conducted this so called
    joint venture with the enemy. He had no desire to find any common ground. It was sad to watch.
    Not long ago I had lost faith in our people, you and me, I thought we would sit and let the fall of our nation happen before our eyes. I was wrong. WE see you now Mr. president. Your time is short, your message of disrespect is exposed. You and your friends are DONE. You need not fear God, or Allah, for may the wrathe of the American people fall upon your vision in November.

  • lowell

    Not only sign on to Rep Flemming but to all legislation that they vote for the American Public…..How about letting the American people decide on their pay raises intead of them, lets try COLA. They got a pay raise and refused cola increases for the next two years to the elderly. If they pass the Obama HC, how can it be reversed, we will be stuck to try and regulate it. How did Obama, who never made more than 65,000 dollars a year, until he went into the legislature for 142 days, live in a million and a half mansion in chicago and have 4 million dollars in the bank, never produced a legitimate Birth Certificate, and why are so many people unwilling to look into it. This is probably the worst case of crossing the border I have ever seen. May we wake up before it is to late.

  • Allen Humphrey

    I for one am friggin’ tired of listening to Obama pontificate whenever he needs to hear the sound of his own voice, which seems like every hour on the hour. The mute button is my friend, as is the NFL network. Everything about his administration is an embarrassment to the US of A. Hopefully he will fall on his own sword, or something like that as in……please just go away !

  • Phil

    You don’t like the idea of the democrats using reconciliation?… To Bad….. It’s going to happen and for you goverment hating rightwing radicals that destroyed our country during Bushs failed presidency think you want to tell the nation how to run the country need to get use to this… Right now it’s time for the democrats agenda and they should push it through just like Bush & Cheney did… Don’t like it?… Tough, when you get the goverment back you’ll get your voice back then you can finish destroying the country again…and it’s a joke if any of you American hating anti goverment Radicals think the Republicans had any intention of being productive during the healthcare summit…

    • Bruce

      The small percentage of government hating right-wing radicals are necessary to balance the small percentage of left-wing socialists. Government is “We the people of the United States.” Together we decide. Your comment could have been made by a government hating left-wing radical who are also, thankfully, in a small percentage. You, Phil, are also included in “We the people” and that’s why this country is so great. Reconciliation is unwise for many reasons. One of the main reasons? – it would take away from “We the people”. Would it not be better to be able to say our Health Plan vs my Health Plan?

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        How about none of the above.
        No government plan at all?
        Why does this escape everyone?

        As the chicken with two wolves,
        why bother discussing whats for dinner?
        It only shows you getting sucked into something you cannot win.

    • American

      It’s people like you Phil, who have assisted this nation in it’s fall to it’s knees. You have been so brain-washed by the baby-booming, “gimmee, gimmee, gimmee” screamers that you can’t see what’s really going on in this country. Obviously, you are not one who can rise up and make a difference….you’re a follower. Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and do a little history study. You will see that every major failure this country has been hit with over the years started in the mind of a democrat. The recent economic downfall isn’t President Bush’s fault. It started with Jimmy Carter and was pushed along by Bill Clinton, both with the help of many dems while Republicans offered one warning after another and Barney Frank kept defending Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac saying there was nothing to be worried about. Oh, I’m not assuming you will trust this Republican’s words but do challenge you to look into credible information so that you will truly have an understanding as to why we all see you as so very misinformed. In fact, if everyone would do a little fact-finding before elections we’d have a much better group of people representing us.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Very well stated.

        It is too easy to blame Bush.

        Unfortunately Phil, like the majority of voters,
        have no clue to what this country was founded on,
        nor how it is supposed to work. Or what the government
        has been doing “to us” under the guise of “for us”
        for many decades.

        I’d rather have him in office now than Obama,
        as much as a wimp he was. At least he wasn’t a Nazi like Palosi and Reed with their shill Obama. (Nazi = “to Nationalize”)

    • Bill

      Your so right Phil. It is Bushes fault, Channey too, Congress had no say in anything. How can anyone question BO and his policies.
      All he and the dems have done has been so above board and transparent.
      I saw it on CSPAN. It must be true.
      Just look at the numbers. All the movement has been in the right direction, jobs, unemployement, national debt, support for small bussines and lets not forget foreign policy for that too has been outstanding. How can we right wing radicals even question potus and his oh so positive ventures. I must realy hate my coutry for I do not trust big government. And why not……Social Security, Medicare, Medicad, bailouts. And when I look around the world I see how great
      socialism and communism is working for all the people.
      Yours truely, USA hater, radical, Redneck S.O.B.

    • DaveH

      More useless Liberal Venom from Pill.
      Can you come up with something more original than your personal attacks, Pill?

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Phil is quite typical of uneducated ignorant children given the responsibility to vote for representation for the people. Promoting Obama in any way since a year before he was elected shows only complete stupidity and lack of understanding of the responsibilities and duty of the people. I would tear up his voters card till he learns what made this country great. Unfortunately, it has all but been removed from our schools, so the fight to get back to what made us great, and so many people gave their lives and wealth for, is unknown to these brats.

        How else could they make such obviously ignorant statements.

    • zack

      Phil its coming back to the republicans,and soon
      Has any body ever told you that you are an idiot? Well you are an idiot

      • Doc Sarvis

        DaveH brings up origninality and personal attacks. How about your statement above zack?

        • DaveH

          Doc,
          I fight fire with fire. Phil drew first blood. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I thought you were better than that. My mistake.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I don’t spend a lot of time in the kitchen. I am more in the great American outdoors where realism is in your face 24/7.

        • zack

          Doc-what about it? do you fit in that same HEHEHE category Damn what a laugh. everybody here in the barracks are laughing HaHaHaHoHo

          • Doc Sarvis

            I’m sure you have a lot of fun with your guys in the barraks. I’m happy for you.

    • Doc Sarvis

      As a proud American, I think you stated this well Phil.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        I think you meant a “proud Socialist”. (or Nazi?)

        We are a Republic, run on the rule of law.
        Democracy is mob rule, by the unthinking masses.

        Democrats, then by definition, are working to overthrow
        our Constitutional government. (treason>)

        They are not patriots.
        Not in any way shape or form.

    • Peggy

      Keep pushing you idiot provocateur. There are a lot of angry people out here who hate both parties, and if you keep pulling this same crap that we had to endure during that moron Bush’s regime, things are going to explode.

      I don’t see any hope, or any damn change. All I see is Bush X 10. Bush’s tax cuts didn’t help one single damn person in this discussion.

      Reconciliation is supposed to be for budget matters, not for seizing control of 20% of our economy. Not for making it mandatory that everyone buy insurance they cannot afford. This piece of shit legislation will make criminals of millions of Americans, who cannot afford health insurance.

      If these freaking idiots try ramming this down our throats, the American people wont wait for any imaginary aspirations of repealing it.

      This is as stupid as marijuana prohibition Phil, hows that working out? Make millions of more criminals?

      Things are about to get real ugly Phil, and you are fanning the flames, egging it on.

      You disgust me Phil, you are nothing but a hater and a provocateur. You want something bad to happen, so this country is destroyed from within. Then you’re precious united nations can come to the rescue with “peace-keeping” forces. I’ve seen this movie before.

      I’m pretty sure that I smell cabbage. You aren’t from Canada are you Phil?

      • DaveH

        Don’t let Pill get to you, Peggy. He is just the typical Ignorant Liberal who uses Personal Attacks in Lieu of Facts. In fact, he is helping our cause by showing the fence-straddlers what Liberals are really all about, and it isn’t pretty.
        So relax, Pill is hurting his cause more than he’s helping it.

      • Joe H.

        Philly,
        You said to bad, it’s too bad not to. how’s it pheel phil??? Like it when someone calls YOU on your spelling? Next time let it go boy!!

    • zack

      - hahahahahahahahehehehehehehohohohohohahahahahehehe -HEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHA WHOOOOOOOO
      (Words removed for offensive content)

      • Doc Sarvis

        I love it when people can’t convey any valid points they just string the letter “h” togetehr with various vowels over and over.

  • Sylvia Keppy-Dow

    In my opinion the so called Healthcare “Summit” was a big farce, a total waste of TV time, as well as the time of the Senators and Representatives.Obama was rude beyond all measure to Senator John McCain and although I am not a fan of McCain’s performance in the Senate (and I’m even an Arizonian) he did not deserve the disrespect of the president. Obama never intended to take their suggestions seriously, it was all a big show for him. As a senior citizen this whole healthcare reform matter is frightening to say the least and we can only hope and pray that Pelosi doesn’t get her majority vote to pass it on to the Senate. The Blue Dog democrats have to hold the line here otherwise they will also lose their credibility with their constituents.

  • http://gmail i41

    We see how spawn of a tie dye dam and a muslim keyan bushman sire create a worthless product. I always wondered who footed the bill on all his travels and education, in eleit schools and all his wanderings to foriegn countries.
    The protests and demostrations were instigated and promoted by the communists and anti-USA organizations. This era also turned out the eleitist John Fony Kerry. The democrat party has always endorsed and promoted a government run, commune style, non-responsible, and everybody gets equal pay society. The democrat party vetted this idoit Bammister clown and his socalistic agenda and hypothetical, theory designed society which just doesn’t work in the real world. The democrat party has been feeding this socialist progressive agenda for years, and now the Woodstock nut jobs are in the drivers seat. We get acorn and tax cheats in offices of the country that are place there by the 18-35 year old dumb assed spoilt num nutted brats. When I asked a group of acorn workers in Wyoming and Montana, if they had jobs or who was bank rolling their rambing around. it was their parents and federal funding that supported them. Great use of our tax money ya think.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      That was really good.
      Now get mad and tell us how you REALLY feel…. LOL

      Kudos, my friend.

  • Bruce

    I think the summit was to sell fellow democrats on the president’s health care plan. Doesn’t look like they are convinced. I think many of them are wondering if reconciliation might be political suicide.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      So what?

      They vote in something they don’t have to use,
      and retire on all the great perks paid by us.
      And they get to stay friends with their boys club.

      What would deter them from this obvious result?

  • GCF

    I watched the whole thing other than when CSpan cut away for a while when Obama was so obviously tanking. He was rude, dishonest, and disingenuous to the Republicans and cut them off whenever, and sometimes before, they made points against his “health care” bill. I was proud of how gracious they were.

    In contrast, the Democrats were content poor. They came off for the most part as whiny little children. They, along with Obama, were so hypocritical it was almost unbelievable. In contrast, the Republicans skewered them on many issues.

    Among the rude things that occurred during this “summit” as others here have already observed, is that Obama called a copy of the healthcare bill a “prop” when one of the Republican Senators had it on his desk. Perhaps, the rudest moment was when Obama told Senator McCain he was “no longer in campaign mode” when Mc Cain was obviously exposing much of the hypocrisy of the bill.

    All in all, it was a great demonstration of just how conniving the Democrats are being with this issue.

  • James

    A 2700-page health care document is federal takeover of the medical profession, as they gradually accede to it. Forcing everyone to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, are they promoting health care or pimping for insurance companies – who provide no health care at all?

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Not quite.

      They are pimping (giving payback) to the unions tha helped get the POTus get illegally elected, and who will control another 1/6th of our economy by making all health care professionals join the union. Its in the bill, read it. It is a lot bigger than even the insurance companies benefits who at least have to be competitive till then. (The American way?)

  • Tierra Naomi Teneil

    Well, the way I see it, Joe Wilson had the guts to call Obama a liar to his face on the floor of congress and recieve no support from the rest of the Republican cowards in Congress. All the pundits and bloggers that I run across, and the ones that send me emails don’t seem to be able to call the man a liar, so like you they skirt the word with idiotic phrases to say it. These days the majority of Americans are either really stupid or just incompetent like our government and our society to date. If they had any sense, Obama wouldn’t be President. I just can’t concieve the fact that this man is an illegitimate President, an imposter, a scam artist who some how got a whole bunch of powerfully people to protect his folly. We need to rid ourselves not only of all members of Congress, but all most all judges, starting with the Supremes on down and start over. After that we have to go after the press. It is time for violence to make the changes America needs to survive. Lets call it war, America is to squeamish with the word violence. Time to stop talking and start talking action and forming a real plan of war. For this we need strong leaders,….unfortunately, all we got are a “ho bunch of wimps”.

    TNT

    • Cathy

      Oh, but John McCain did have the balls to call O’Bummer out on the Louisiana Purchase, Nebraska Cornhusker and Florida deal. About time someone did! Did you see the look on O’Bummer’s face? Like, you know, I can do anything I want (I’m the President). Smack, smack…grrrr…

      • Tierra Naomi Teneil

        well sweetie, I live in Arizona and I know who the real McCain is and what he really stands for. He out spent his usefulness and trust during the Keating 5 episode.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Still would have been better than Obama.
          Heck Bush would have been better than Obama….

        • Claire

          Tierra–You go, girl!!

        • J C

          And he went after our second amendment rights in AZ. NOW he’s going after our freedoms as they pertain to holistic health and multi vitamins. Don’t be foolded my McCain. He’s a great a globalist as Obama…he just wears a “blue” tie.

    • RT

      If you have that much contempt for Americans, our government system, our voters and our legal process, I suggest you leave the country. No one will miss you and you can go hide and foment hate and violence with your buddies Al Qaida or the PLO or Hamas or whoever fits your angry, anarchist philosophy.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        The contempt is not for TRUE Americans, but ignorant idiots like you that promote Nazi (nationalizing) policians.

      • J C

        Right we should just shut up and do as we’re told…like “good” Americans. Just like the colonists did in the late 1700′s.
        Oh Wait! Didn’t they actually take a stand against tyranny and earn us the right to call ourselves Americans?
        Blow it out RT…”you” are the anti-American here.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-27473-Baltimore-Political-Buzz-Examiner John Stratemeyer

    I watched the “bipartisan healthcare summit” for about ten minutes, long enough to hear Mr. Obama say, “I’m the President.” The disdainful look of patronization that seemed frozen on his face was too much to look at any longer. It was obvious that the President and his liberal/socialist/Democratic (LSD) allies have every intention to ram the legislation through, if they can, willing to take the hit in November, even if they lose both houses. They’re betting that the Republicans will not be able to win enough seats to repeal HCR as they would need super-majorities in both houses of Congress in order to override a veto. Once it becomes law, it will be very hard, if not close to impossible, to repeal, and they know it.

    • Cathy

      Yeah, that arrogant “I’m the President” statement…just wanted to smack him in the face, right on his purple lips. He sucks!

      • mel

        you are one —- up chick

      • zack

        Cathy you know what i believe he does to or he has got into some of slick Willy’s cigars HeHeHo

    • RT

      If you didn’t watch, you have no right to comment. Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to politics.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Talk about ignorant….
        Where did she say she didn’t watch?

        You are a fool RT, and a disgrace to any kind of adult thinking.

  • http://hotmail JoAnn Foss

    this pompus ass has done his best to destroy the very people who stupidly put him in this position of power ~ and, THAT POWER HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD arrogant? FAR FAR worse thanthat ~ he’s on the verge of insanity !!! Who does he think he is to go AGAINT the will of the people who elected him & try to ram this guff down their throats? He has done more harm to this country than the AlQuaida & THAT is the truth ~ his lump it & like it attitude has gone too far!! This healthcare garbage truly does need to not only be scraped & started over, but, those who wish to continue to represent us & I mean REALLY RESPRESENT US ! not that (jerk) should consider finding ways to bound, gage & cage this arrogant Animal until the people can get rid of him & correct their heinous mistake of actually trusting this O’Bummer character ~ & when you say Obama, the next words said in discust are “O-BUMMER!” that’s the general concensus in my next of the woods ~ even those claiming to be democrats are frothing at the mouth they are so angry upset frustrated & in general big time M A D !!! even those who say they are democrats are talking of wyas to dispose of the trash !!! how abouit going for the pharmacutical companies for FAR cheaper medications ( how about only 1% over their cost? THAT would REALLY bring costs down ~ Without costing our great great grandchildren ~ & the insurance companies? isn’t there some regulation on how they manipulate the premiums they have increased over 200% ??? how about those manufacturing companies that charge outragious prices for simple testing e

  • http://hotmail JoAnn Foss

    he’s rigged the withholding taxes to allow us to spend more during the year so, at the end of the year we (99% of us) are forced to pay in oodles & gobs to IRS ~ he has promised so much & so far, he has stabbed the American people in the back ~ he’s trying to force us to pay for insurance ~ what is insurance but a gamble? Big corp. is gambling that they will ge more than enough out of your premiums before they have to give back ~ then, they find ways to drop those who actually need medical payment assistance ~ you say O Buttkiss is arrogant ~ are you kidding? arrogant is too mild of a word ~ he’s attempting to be the next Stalin, Hitler, Moussalinne (spelling?) History give graphic testimony of those who ruled in a reign of terror ~ aren’t we at that point ~ a reign of terror, fear, frustration, abger & so much more ~ he wants to regulate how we spend our hard earned money & wants to control the people in too many ways ~ he needs to be stopped ~ not just the health care (which DEFINITELY needs to be stopped) but they need to treat him like any other spend`aholic & cut off his ability to waste our hard earned noney ~ as it is, we are going to have to pay for his actions for the next 100+ years ~ when is this insanity going to stop> Words are cheap true ~ but there are those we have given power to that can & MUST stop this monster !!!!!!!!!

    • skipfoss

      JoAnn I was just wandering ,after I saw your last name what paret of the country you are from and to say I loved your post keep it up. Skip Foss

  • skipfoss

    The one thing I can not understand is where these welfare people come up with the idea that they have a RIGHT to have the government pay for their insurance? I have read the Constitution and the bill of rights and nowhere can I find that we are to even to supply them with anything. The biggest problem I can see is that in 63 they stoped shooting to soon they shuld have gotten Johnson to before he and his bunch put welfare into effect. All that program was for was to assure that the dems had a prepetual supply of black votes ,all they did was to make them and the lazy ass whites and wet backs “SLAVES” to a new master(A government check)I love how well that they all have been educated when they “acks” for more hand outs.Ifought for three years in a place I hated and did things that are still keep me up at night to stop the communist take over and look what it has gotten a sorry ass half-breed that is selling us out to Muslims and Communist.This son of a white trash whore is is trying to enslave use all to a Dictatorship controled by a puppet for the super rich just as that stupid ass cowboy did . I have decided to hell with both parties ,I beleive we as a free people while we are still free need to get rid of this bunch of political whores and leeches and start over by WHATEVER means it takes, if it be armed or what ever

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      You tell ‘em.

      Kudos for your service, as true Americans appreciate it.
      The rest defer the conversation to aspects of why you were there.
      They are the idiots, and you are the Patriot.

      Keep telling the Obama suporters what it means to be a true American.

  • J.D.

    Love this letter, sic’ em Chip!!!!!! I’ll write my senator, who happens to be Max Baucus, A.K.A crooked b-st-rd, right now and tell him he better be enrolled right alongside me on this festering crapball of a healthcare plan or I’m coming for him come election time. In fact, I’m coming for him then anyway-2014, no more “Kickback Baucus”!!!!!

  • Michael McCune

    While Obamacare is a disaster, the economy is a disaster and the myriad government programs enacted since Feb. 2009 are not working, and people are dropping out of the Democratic Party in record numbers, Republicans must be aware they are going to have to work for Americans’ confidence in the November elections because we blew it when we had our turn. We accelerated spending deficits, debts and put the economy in jeopardy, we continued to increase entitlement programs that are patently unConstitutional and also twisted arms when it suited our purpose. So we are on the black list too.
    The average American is totally fed up with both parties. Personally I think it would be very interesting if we had 435 first-time, unsullied members of the House come December 1, 2010. Maybe we could get back to the way the Constitution is supposed to be: a free market system where the individual takes risks and earns rewards or fades into the dust of failure, where businesses are actually allowed to thrive or go bust on their own and where our politicians keep their fingers out of my daily life!

  • Barb

    Clive, your “Woodstock Rhyme” is very,very good! This is what I was eluding to in another Liberty blog a day or so ago but didn’t state it nearly as well of course. I realize you are chastising all of us as you should, conservatives back in the 60′s felt that it would be good to reach out across the aisle a play nice. We allowed the progressives the power to kill our unborn babies while at the same time demand we pay for prenatal care for illegal immigrants, we allowed them to take God out of our schools, we allowed them to turn a once proud work force into a workforce that has very little pride in what they do now and in their employers because the unions have forced the work force into a corner or out of work and the employers took their jobs out of the country! We have a large segment of this country that seems to think, thanks to the progressive dems that they don’t have to work to get what they want they just have to ask their government. And we allowed this to happen. If there is a silver lining in any of this it is this. Obama is so extreme, and so determined to to it his way or no way that a lot of people are waking up, some took a little longer than others but more and more are. Let’s pray that if God is using us, that his intentions are to save our great nation as it was and should be, One nation under God, with freedom and liberty for all it’s citizens with a government of and for the people.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      John Smith started the day early,
      having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6 am.

      While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking,
      he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG),
      and put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA),
      designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE) and
      tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA).

      After cooking his breakfast in his new
      electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA),
      he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO),
      to see how much he could spend today.

      After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN)
      to the radio (MADE IN INDIA),
      he got in his car (MADE IN JAPAN),
      filled it with GAS (from SAUDIA ARABIA)
      to continued his search for a good paying AMERICAN JOB.

      At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day
      checking his Computer (made in MALAYSIA),
      John decided to relax for a while.

      He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL),
      poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE)
      and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA),

      and then wondered why he can’t find
      a good paying job in AMERICA.

      Now he is asking the president (BORN IN KENYA)
      to give him a handout.

      If we would only require OUR government, when spending OUR money, on OUR behalf, to ONLY BUY from American companies, all of this bailout would be unneeded. Do the math. Why is it so hard for OUR “REPRESENTITIVES” to understand this simple idea?

      Because they do not ‘represent’ us, they want more power over us, and socialism along with the perks they voted in for themselves will sustain them long after they help Palosi/Reed with their agenda to do the same.

      Visit: http://www.MADEinUSA.org

      • J C

        Absolutely right. I’m all for world trade. But we need some competion from our own shores in the game.

  • Airangel

    I’ll swallow their healthcare bill if they will! What’s good for the goose should be good enough for the gander! If they exempt themselves from it,,,then REJECT IT! It’s full of flaws and they know it! Email I received…Vote-in those that agree with American thinking for the people!

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States “.

  • Phil

    The only thing you rights hit right is” We the People ” voted for president Obama … And concidering the mess the reoublicans left him I think he’s doing pretty good….Republicans only spoke 1/3rd the time President Obama and the democrats spoke ?.. Yes, the democrats won the election…so they should have more time to speak…. Besides it didn’t take much time to say “start over”… I hope president Obama keeps his backbone and passes Healthcare with Reconciliation.. If it was good enough for Bushs tax cuts to the rich… Which will expire in 2011 , then Reconciliations good enough for healthcare for America….. Looks like the economy is picking up and job loses have stabelized … Good news for America … Good job president Obama.,. I’m sure we all like good news for America… Right?

    • Warrior

      Jesus Phil, we really have to stop funding computers and internet access for you white house staffers.

    • Tazio2013

      Phil,

      Continue thinking and writing the truth; maybe someday a few of these white, racist, statist, xenophobic, homophobic, conservative/neocon republicans will finally get it, but don’t count on it any time soon.

    • DDC

      Phil, Obama does not have a backbone. Remember he is a dope on a rope. If you turn him around, and let him go, he would fall down. all he is is a puppet on a string. I am beginning to believe he is illiterate. He has to have everything written for him, and then he uhuh don’t uhah know uhuhahuh how uh to ah read iiiit.

    • J C

      Actually Phil, I think it’s “You the Morons” voted for Obama. Leave the rest of us out of your socialist circle.

  • DaveH

    If you want Individual Responsibility, Individual Freedom, Free Markets, and Limited Government, Join us, the Libertarian Party. Help us make a difference:
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    And watch John Stossel on Fox Business News to learn about Real Freedom and why it works.

    • RT

      Aren’t libertarians the people that fight for space in airports with Hare Krishnas?

      • DaveH

        Libertarians are a threat to anybody who likes Big Government, whether Democrat or Republican. Which are you?

        • Al B Tross

          Which explains why there has never been, nor will ever be, a functioning Libertarian Government.

          I have asked this dozens of times before, name 1 functioning Libertarian Government!! C’mon, name one!!

          idiot; Greek origin, coming from id, or self, and ote, or devotee.
          described a person so self-absorbed in personal pursuits, ie monetary, as not to care or participate, in government, or democracy.

  • alg

    smug, arrogent, condecending? Come on, Chip, say what you mean. Our grandparents generation would have called it “upity”. These descriptions are nothing more than a mask (used to be a hood) to hide the racism behind it.
    The right wing radical feeling is that a black man should not hold the highest office in the land. It is driving you crazy and all the lies you tell cannot change the history or the facts.
    Get over it and stop trashing the United States. As so many of the so called patriots that hold the tea party mentality….love it or leave it. You are the ones that are undermining our liberty and freedom.

    • DaveH

      More useless and unsubstantiated personal attacks from a typical Liberal.

    • Cathy

      Oh, here we go with the black thing again. First of all, he’s not black. He’s half-black since his mother was white. He’s a mulatto. Every time I hear that he is the first black president, I could scream.

      Secondly, we’ve had five presidents with just as much or more black blood than him, so maybe you should study your history a bit: Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Harding, and Coolidge

      Thirdly, his policies are what are wrong, not his skin color, besides the fact that he’s a fraudulent, arrogant narcissist. I personally can’t stand the fact that he’s going to destroy this country, not that he’s black. Get it? My three black friends hate him too!

      • RT

        Okay Cathy, here’s the test: if you didn’t know him and just saw him walking down the street, would you identify Barack as black or white? Yes, his mother was white. He was raised in a white family environment. But when he walks down the street, no one can see that. They see a tall, skinny black man. Got it? Good!

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Interesting that you go off on a tangent and ignore
          her entire statement of why she does not approve of Obama.

          An obvious ignorant childish ploy to focus on a detail for argument when she thoroughly explained her position. This is what the democraps are doing to suck in the repubs on Obamacare. None of the above is the correct answer, and don’t give me obstructionists conversation is does not apply to the real issue of giving 1/6th of our economy to the unions thru another government run program that is doomed to fail by definition.

          • J C

            That’s because he is an ignorant childish liberal who is too small minded to actually form thoughts larger than playing the race card.

      • alg

        Me doth think thou doest protest too much.
        makes you want to scream? nuf said

        • Jana

          alg
          Me doth think you runneth your racist mouth too much.

    • Barb

      Give me a freaken’ break! You libs can say anything you want but when we speak about his majesty we are racist! BULLSHEVICK!!!! I agree with Cathy! His MAMA was pure white and there are credible accounts that his Daddy was one half Arabic and one half African or maybe less that make his majesty a whopping 1/8 black!!!!! He just drew the black card as they say when he was ill-conceived! I am white but since my Daddy came from the deep south there is black blood in my family tree as in many. I probably have as much black blood in me as his majesty if not more, therefore am I a racist,alg???? HMMMM???

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

      Alg suffers from what is left of his (or her) unskilled and uneducated mind when it comes to connecting the dots from observation of behavior to determining adequately accurate words or terms. Arrogance and condescension are characteristics noted by ones demonstrated behavior regardless of race. Such behavior is neither nice nor pleasant to have done to you nor to others yet has been done by men and women from every ethnicity and an excellent example of this behavior and attitude was seen exhibited by Obama at the Blair House Theater.

      I was recently in the Washington area and saw they had a locally produced new dictionary for sale. Curious as to the new entries I looked up one of the new sections called commonly used phrases for the moniker, “flaming arrogant ——”. It not only gave a definition but included Obama’s picture to solidify its meaning. It was by far the most recent publication out of that area that told the truth without fear of arm twisting or having to be bought with taxpayer’s money.

    • RT

      Awright! Keep on speaking the truth to madness. G-d loves you for it!

  • Bob from Socal

    I’ll bet that Obama would love to have his face on our currency. Instead of that, since he likes beer so much I found a beer that his face should be plastered all over. It’s called “Arrogant Bastard”. Quite fitting I think.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      And you thought Billy Beer tasted bad…. ROFLMFAO!

      • Joe H.

        JRBeaman,
        I didn’t think it it DID!!!!!! I still got a couple around here somewhere and I’d be afraid to open them. I KNOW they’d stink up the air in the house!!!

    • zack

      who would want to look at a horses a$$ while drinking beer. Damn what a scary thought.

  • garm

    Has nothing to do with health or care, but everything to do with one of the fastest ways to bankrupt America, spend these trillions and break our back good so we go whimpering to the One World Government, which is what henry kissinger says Hussein was Put in place to do. dont kid yourself.

    • JC

      That is absolutely right, and the very reason arguing left v right is a ridiculous waste of time. Both sides are out to do the same thing, one just does it a little slower.

  • Bill Little

    The triune dictators in Washington have lost sight of what leadership really should be. They seem to be bent on negating the true intent of our constitution and dragging us all into a communist nation. I believe their real intent is to destroy the economies of the world and bring about one world gavernment. We must stop them through every legal means at our disposal. To do nothing is to encourage them.

    • RT

      What, you mean the Republicans? Well, just quit voting for them then.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        I don’t think you have the capacity for an adult conversation.
        All you do is throw out ignorant and childish remarks that do not even address the issue you are replying to. If this is your form of humor, it is not appreciated as you dilute the effort to help the country most of us love. Contrary to what your crappy remarks indicate.

  • Cathy

    I even saw a comment on another forum from a guy in Norway who stated that he thought that O’Bummer was “un-American.” He and his ugly wife hate this country. Get it? Five days before the election, he stated, “In five days, we are going to fundamentally transform the United States.” *I’m not sure whether he said US or America… whatever. Everyone cheered. Did they REALLY hear what he was saying. I did and a chill ran through my body.

    BHO and a handful of far-left Congresspersons are driven by ideology and really do want to see the U.S. transformed into a socialist (if not communist) state. Wake up Bill O’Reilly, who “doesn’t believe for a second that Barack Obama doesn’t have the best of intentions for his country.”

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      To me this was quite obvious.
      When 90% of American enemies promoted the election of Obama,
      how could the voters not get the hint? Maybe cause they had no clue?
      Uh Huh.

  • http://NewsMaxreferral Robert from Maine

    The Democrats who are afraid of Pelosi should consider what our forefather writers of our CONSTITUTION went through. They were harassed, bankrupted, put in jail and didn’t waiver. If the Congress does not know our American history, they should read a few history books, …before they are rewritten…. again, by money making publishers. If the Democrats who do not agree with Obama Care they should hang together or each hang separately. Speak to the media about harassment by Pelosi and stop the back channel punishments. Speak to NewsMax.com. If the Democrats do an end run around the Republicans and get away with it this time, when or what will stop them? Next will be total disarmament, and the criminal illegals will love that. No one will be safe. Check Germanys’ 1938 history, of the step by step government CONTROL! Your health records will be computerized, and if you are an anti-Democrat, you will be open to denial of benefits and “whoops” …your file has disappeared. Has anyone read the 2400 plus pages being pushed forward, as health care for all? Maine Senators have kissed up to Obama, and now the Federal pork money is flowing into Maine. Surprise!

  • alg

    Is stupidity a pre-existing condition….I hope so and those of you so against your fellow citizens being able to affort health care, we’ll see how you feel when you lose yours.

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      Stupidity is, in your case, a lifelong goal, it seems.

      We don’t need a government health care program. We do not want to give them another agency to cost us trillions with no additional benefit to the people. If you really think this is a good thing, then you have so little clue about reality, that you should not be given access to the internet so you can post such childish dribble.

      • alg

        Like Ron White said, “you can’t fix stupid” and you are beyond repair.

        • Joe H.

          alg,
          And so is the demoncratic party!!!!!!

    • zack

      alg na I here stupidity runs in the family.So dont you feel sorry for all of obamers family.Is it true

  • DaveH

    A guy, who can’t spell or put together a coherent sentence, is calling other stupid?

    • Cathy

      Don’t let it bother you. If you say something that a liberal disagrees with, they ALWAYS revert to name-calling. Touche’

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Or change the subject,
        Or criticize the messenger,
        or interrupt, or talk louder….

        All child like ploys to avoid truthful debate.

        • Barb

          You three are all right on, alg is just baiting us! He, she or it has nothing intelligent to say obviously so he turns to insults.

  • Marc

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she is confident she will be able to get the votes needed to pass sweeping healthcare legislation in the House, even if it threatens the political careers of some members of her party.”
    Asking office-holders to do something for the good of the voters that put them in office instead of being concerned with getting re-elected…? That’s a radical concept. Seems like President Obama is more interested in doing things to help people than trying for a 2nd term.

    On reconciliation… “rigging the rules so that legislation already approved in the Senate by 60 votes can be ratified—”

    Reconciliation Bills have been signed 17 times by Republican Presidents 6 times by Democrat Presidents. Since 1980, Reconciliation Bills passed 9 times when Republicans controlled House/Senate…6 times when Democrats controlled House/Senate….1 time Democrats controlled Senate, Republicans the House…7 times Republicans Senate Democrats House.
    So which Party has made the greatest use of this procedure ?

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      So, your point has nothing to do with Obamacare being a good or bad thing, you only want to focus on what you think the Repubs did?
      Are you going to next find spelling mistakes?

      • Marc

        just addressing some of the specifics brought up….not the generalities

    • American Citizen

      You are not concentrating on what “reconciliation” was used for in the past. It had to do with budgets, not bills, especially one as big as this one.

  • http://gmail i41

    The bull crap about the conservatives being racists is pure shit. For one thing he isn’t a black President, Bill Clinton said he was, Obull is more white with a muslim up bringing and still embraces that pedphile mohamaded bildge. He has never worked and continues to live off of taxpayers money. The money he made was selling drugs, using drugs, creating misery in housing units, agitating communities, and hates USA. Despises whites because on averages, earn more than some minorities, because stealing,illegal drug use and trafficing is a crime. Yes the Bamister hates that in his backgroung there is a lazy ass gene and has a procivity to need a bush leader, which he wants to be and all dems are dreaming of. The white race has had a couple, the wop, and the knaut Hilter and his idiol Karl Marx.

    • Marc

      Hmmm….are public schools not teaching spelling ? What a shame. Of course I’m an elitist intellectual…..I almost graduated from a two year rural junior college 30 some years ago……

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        That does not remove you from being an intellectual idiot.
        Nor from childish replies that don’t address the issue at hand.
        Typos are not a result of spelling errors.
        You really need to grow up.

    • RT

      Man,have someone help you look up Racist in the dictionary and don’t be surprised if your picture is there. Every thought you expressed was racist. And brotherman, I’m white and your sick.

  • BigIron

    Has anyone considered that a select number of Dems (whose silence may be trusted) may have been told not to worry about being re-elected in 2010? Because ….

  • cerebus23

    harry reed is racist also, look at what he said about obama. :P

    so is his vp.

    good old senator bird was wearing a white robe and pointy hat when most you you were still in diapers.

    anyone that has any critisicm against obama is a racist, so i guess 60% of the american public is racist also since a majory of us do not like what he is doing the way he is doing it period.

    i really want the obama admin to start accusing the whole of the country of racism, why not they do it with everyone else that dares to question them?

    i dunno why anyone bothers with norm if obama, reed, or pelosi came out tomorrow said the sky was green, he would swear up in down it was true and that to say it was blue was a right wing plot.

    bottom line washington is broken period. as time has gone on the two sides will not compromise on anything. the dems this cycle had no reason to while they held the 60 vote majority. thank god reed and pelosi are so inept that they cannot even get their houses in order or count votes.

    for all the f ups that clinton did, at lest he understood the concept of compromise, usually in the form of stealing the republicans plans and twisting them a bit to his own side, but lest he got things done with a republican congress, and thanks to them he managed a few balanced budgets.

    what will be worth getting popcorn to watch is if the dems get slaughtered in the mid term elections is will obama be able to swallow his pride, and pull a clinton and get things passed that he can take credit for, even if they were republican programs to start with.

    get the power out of washington period. the amount of centeralized power in that garbage heap causes all these power struggles, back stabbing, theft, bribery and pettiness going on and on and on and it will not stop until washington is put into its place and is no long the center of this country.

  • Sherry

    I have watched this disaster coming for years. Insurance used to be 80/20. I pay for 20% after I reach my deductible. (And those deductibles were generally low.) The insurance company paid the rest. But when HMO’s came in, I started noticing that those patients lost common sense and showed up for complaints that could easily have been handled themselves. Why? Their co-pay was $5. Yes this was in the early 80′s. :) Bu the principle is the same. When I have to take responsibility for my costs, I am much more inclined to be wise.
    Bad decisions cost me more. (Those HMO patients began to act like the Medicaid patients. See the similarities?)
    We want insurance companies to be profitable. They have to be in order to pay. And since pre-existing conditions mean more risk transferred to the insurance company, it does make sense that they would cost more. HOWEVER, if we opened up competition across state lines, that would drive costs down. I have watched more than one insurance company leave my state. Our family is self employed and have to buy our own insurance.
    How about tort reform? Twenty-six percent of all medical costs are to cover the doctors’ behinds. I have friends who horrify me with the costs of their malpractice insurance.
    Will this be easy? No, we have three generations of entitlement mentality to fight. But it has to be done. We have to stop the train wreck approaching.

  • Michael

    It was clear from the onset that the Health Care Summit was nothing more than a political ploy to provide Obama with the appearance of transparency and bipartisanship when in fact his administration has been secretive and partisan. It was apparent that Obama had no intention of changing his stance on his “signature” Health Care legislation, which is some of the worst legislation to ever see the light of day. The Summit was the epitome of boredom, Obama was defensive, condescending and most apparent was his “I am right and this will benefit everyone” arrogance…I find the opposite of what Obama says to be more close to the truth than what he actually says. For me, the bottom line of the whole 7+ hour boredom marathon was that Obama wasn’t going to do anything different other than claim transparency and bipartisanship…his closing comments (I am paraphrasing: “agree with us or we will move forward anyway and that is what elections are for”) were quite revealing and his push for a vote under reconciliation supports his closing comments. He is in a desperate situation, things have not gone well for him and his continual push for Health Care (even when he said 2010 should focus on jobs) is an act of desperation and his administration desperately needs a win even if it is to pass a bad piece of legislation.

  • http://FreakOutNation.com Anomaly100

    Do you really want to know why most of this country considers you to be racists? Rush Limbaugh, birthers, Glenn Beck, Rupert Murdoch and your own words saying, “We’re gonna take our country back!” This is what WE hear from all of you. The very day after President Obama was sworn in, I heard Republicans saying, “Where’s the change?” What’s wrong with you people! Look at what this man wrote about our president! It is not fact based at all. Reread this;

    “But boors don’t win in politics. I’m beginning to wonder if some of the president’s most avid supporters don’t see the handwriting on the wall. (The word they’re seeing is “failure.”)

    “Beginning to wonder….” Do you have any opinions besides what you hear on FOX?:

    The author of this kindergarten piece of garbage didn’t even watch the summit, yet he said it was BORING! We try our best to reach out to you & you call this BORING. You praise Bunning for hurting his own state and now that he’s agreed to the unemployment extension, I don’t hear any of you saying, “He shouldn’t have.” So, he’s right by obstructing but when he doesn’t he’s still right?

    If just one of you condemned the words of Rush Limbaugh when he played the song “Barack The Magic Negro” over and over again on his show, we might think you weren’t racists, but you defend that man. You defend Michele Bachmann who has done nothing for her state.

    Your biggest fear is to be called what you are. You let your own bought and paid for news station tear him apart even if it means this country fails. You defend James O’Keefe after he was caught tampering with a Senator’s phone lines. You’re unreasonable.

    You think Obama wants to take away your guns, and why? Because Glenn Beck, et al, told you so!

    You defend the tea party’s signs which were racist. “Nigga” is a racist term. One of the leaders of the Tea Party held that sign. Sarah Palin did not try to tone down her rallies when racist rhetoric was used by her fans. Stormfront attended those rallies. For God’s sake, do you see what you are doing?

    Robert Byrd is an idiot. I will never condone a racist & I stand firm on that one, but can you say the same? I wouldn’t let Robert Byrd stand next to me or break bread with me. Tancredo was a speaker at the Tea Party convention. What is going on with you people? You don’t want to be called racists, but you let them speak for you?

    • RT

      Love ya! My thoughts exactly.

    • Radical RW’er

      Do you even know what you are talking about? Have you EVER listened to Rush etc. The magic Negro was him making fun of the LA Times headlines. Yes Libs can say it, but not a conservative. You calling people teabaggers is homophobic I suppose. You truly shown how ignorant you are with the incoherent rant above.

    • American Citizen

      You apparently have a comprehension problem and don’t really understand what Obama says. He is the most “chilling” president we’ve ever had in my 76 years. Some of you on here must be very young and don’t really understand what is going on.

      • J C

        Agreed. He is the most calculating cold hearted unAmerican and illegal President the globalists have ever installed. Beware this man and his treachery. We the Free must prepare.

      • STY

        You poor ignorant fool.

    • zack

      I think there was as many black people at the tea parties as there was white people. Guess they could have called it coffee party if you dont like tea. Besides obama is the biggest racist I have seen in a long time.

    • Barb

      Let’s see, Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright, Jessie Jackson, all racists in no uncertain terms and lib’s heros!!! Yet WE are racist! Those are just a few I could go on and on but what’s the point. Obama is the most polarizing president this country has ever seen and he is just past his 1st. year! I don’t even want to think what this country will be like this time next year the way things are going. You think what you want about Rush, Beck, Hannity etc. but the underlying truth here is is simple. Number one they are not racist nor do they spread a racist theme. Number 2 you libs have no one out there to compare with these guys, nobody with the intelligence, humor, and love for their country AND Knowledge of American politics and history as these guys do and you resent that! Too bad just because we have intellectual knowledgeable people in huge numbers on the Right does not make us racist! Just makes us wary and savvy and not so easily duped. That burns your side up so you stoop to kicking below the belt, we really don’t care any more, we know in our hearts it’s all a bunch of bull and that’s all that matters.

      • J C

        Beautiful Barb, and exactly right. The Libs either can’t see of don’t care that they are simply considered useful idiots by the globalists.

    • truth

      Finally the voice of reason……in the middle of this cesspool of fear, hate and ignorance there comes hope.
      You are completely right but unfortunately these poor souls are too far gone to recognize the truth because it means they’d have to admit their errors.
      Keep hope alive, though, the majority still rules and it isn’t what we see on this site, thank Heaven.

    • ann

      Anomaly100,
      I was sent this site for reasons I can’t understand, went to spam but I was curious as to what some might be saying. I’ve read a good bit of these posts and am disgusted that these people call themselves good Americans and Christians. Yours is the first post I’ve read that shows any real intellegence, I’m sorry to say. You are completely right and say it well….I’m affraid that it is falling on deaf ears though. The ones that are racists will never admit that fact, they may not even be aware…sad in this day that there’s anyone out there with such a narrow view.
      God Bless you for your words and I feel the frustration, like screaming at a brick wall.
      I’m going back to sanity now, take care not to get too wraped up in what these fools say.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    I was travelling on business the day of Blair House Theater where Obama attempted to direct and emcee yet every airport TV seemed to be locked on the central news network’s coverage which is why I probably got unusually ill.

    Not only are the Republicans the party of “NO” but they are, in fact, the party of “KNOW”. *For those who lack the educational prowess of those possessing poison Ivy League degrees, it sounds the same as “NO” but translates to having credible information or knowledge unlike the party whose entire argument against the facts articulated by those who “KNOW” consists of two words: “shut up”!

    The Republicans are the party of KNOW as much as the party of NO because they do understand what the American citizens want, and equally important, what they do NOT want, and they do NOT want Obamacare in any form.

    It was painfully obvious to the most casual observer that BO, Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer and the rest of the crew from “The Pirates of the Potomac” had an extremely difficult time just sitting there as the designated attending Republicans rendered oral statements (without the aid of a teleprompter). Statements that incorporated the will of the citizens with actual cogent thoughts on why to scrap the crap they call HCR and then provided viable concepts of market based change and the crucial one of tort reform which results in less government intervention versus an overt takeover of healthcare by the government and kept their personal liberties intact. The most visibly upset was BO himself. In fact, when parts of the bill(s) were read to him followed by a question for him to explain which left him simply frustrated, and it showed.

    After having seen a few live tidbits of pseudo-transparency conducted by the “oba kabuki theater” and a few more of the relative reports I wonder why the Republicans didn’t fake them out by verbally accepting then not showing up while someone as devious as the deviants left alone at the Blair House perform the mission, albeit more aggressively, that Robin would like to see executed. I would have much rather seen a newscast showing all those pukes in flex cuffs frog marched across a bank of cameras for being the treasonous pukes they are. Of course I didn’t mean to sugar coat it that much. Where’s Vince Flynn’s character by the name of Mitch Rapp when you need him? I’m sure some nut-cutting enhanced interrogations by Mitch Rapp would help truly patriotic Americans drain the swamp of nefarious officials, their financial backers and sympathizers.

    Anyway, Chip, Obama and the other Democrats were seen as arrogant piles of excrement whose entire defense of their sleazy HCR bills consisted of, “shut up!” They cannot reasonably defend an indefensible position with cogent reasoning skills. Of course, remember, Obama doesn’t have his own bill. He only has the two versions of crap Harry & Nancy produced.

  • Simon says

    Maybe this is the wakeup call this country needed. Was it conceivable before that a Communist Socialist person could become president of this great country. The sad part is so many young people in college helped put him in office as they have been brain washed by so many of the college professors who are being governed by their belief that they are huge intellects and look down to the average person as do most dictators.

    The college professors in my opinion are one of the biggest problems we have in this country. Obama is the personification of this attitude as he was a member early on of The New Party group in Chicago that wanted to change this country to a socialist and communist philosophy. Change was his bye word and change is what we need in our colleges. When we rid ourselves with the radical far left instructors in our colleges, we will be better off.

    Now we see Obama selling Judgeships for Healthcare votes. Scott Matheson, house Democrat Jim Matheson brother has been nominated for the Tenth Circuit Court to help change Jim Matheson’s NO vote on the healthcare bill.

    Let’s also mention Obama being in bed with the Unions. Why, union members are being visited by directors of the union with threats for various reasons, that the member will not receive his pay check unless he votes the union way. This can also be used to make a member vote for who the Union leadership wants. I do believe the former terrorist, William Ayers, is Obama’s main advisor as he is an expert in our laws and the rules that govern us.

    Do we need a change Now!!!!!!!!

  • http://none Ronald

    Watch all health issues get resolved when congress and all are required to enroll in SS and loss ther 6 figure income retirement that they don’t even pay into. By the way Who are the rich and wealthy that some keep talking about I benefited from the tax changes and I’m not rich or wealthy! Give me a Figure!

  • Eric

    Ha, Ha, Ha, and Ha. I wouldn’t waste my time on watching. I know the deal. LOL! Obama is starting to sound like an annoying little kid who finds it amusing to copy every little word you said; except in this case I would think every little word himself said before. I bet the whole brorecast made for nice little cut outs for future political ads. Have a nice day friends.

    • American Citizen

      I didn’t watch it either, as I could have written the script for it. Obama’s arrogance is so blatant, his “my way or the highway” attitude pervades over everything he says and does.

  • Larry Stanley

    Assume the position ….. they are hell bent on ramming it through … now.

  • Eric

    Oh, yes you lucked out with that meeting Chip.

  • Woody

    I didn’t have time to read all these posts, so if this has already been stated I do apologize…but it seems to me that everybody is taking one side or the other (Reps vs. Dems) as if they are different entities, when in point-of-fact they are just two sides of the same “Big Government” coin. This Nation has not fared well from the leadership of either Party for at least the past 60 years or so. What we need is a new Party…or NO Party! The existing political system is governed by those whose agenda is a One World Government which allows for NO individual national sovereignty, let alone individual PERSONAL freedom! And all this IS the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy, if one wants to study enough to dig it out. Our only hope is in Jesus Christ and His soon return.

    • Tazio2013

      Woody,

      You were making sense until your last two sentences; jesus is not going to return and save all you war-mongering, racist, tea-bagging, crusading christian conservative republicans because you are the problem, not the solution! In my considered analysis secular humanism, skepticism, pragmatism and existentialism are all more effective psychosophys than christianism.

      • DDC

        Tazio, sure hope you are ready to meet Jesus during the rapture. It is not going to be to long according to the good book, better known as the BIBLE.

        • Tazio2013

          DDC, could you be specific in your and the other crusading christian conservative clowns (4Cs) prediction on when you all expect jesus to return and rapture the 4Cs, leaving the rest of us to burn in hell for eternity.And if you can’t be specific, let’s pick December 21st 2012 at Noon and see what happens. Looking forward to your response!

          • Jana

            Tazio,
            If you even own a Bible please read
            Romans1:22 and
            Matthew 7:5and 6. These fit you and will tell you why we shouldn’t respond.

      • Meteorlady

        EWE – BIG WORDS and more name calling. Good work that always makes a point and solves problems.

    • DaveH

      If you want Personal Freedom, Woody, you might try the Libertarian Party. If you mean a government that respects our ownership of our bodies and our property, then they are the party for you. If you mean freedom like many people do, i.e., freedom as long as it is your way, then you probably won’t be interested. We respect people’s right to live the way they want as long as they don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others (that includes their money).

      • Cathy

        I AM a Libertarian. Freedom, freedom, freedom…

    • Mike

      Yeah, Woody! I was with you until your last 2 sentences!

      • J C

        Me too. I’m all for people who wish to worship having the freedom to do so in any way they see fit. But it’s not part of my (personal)political ideology.

    • usmadgirl

      Woody,

      I agree with your statement that our country is headed toward a One World Government, however, I disagree that our GOVERNMENT is taking us there. It’s this ADMINISTRATION that’s taking us there! I also disagree with making a new party or NO party. We have to have SOME sort of structure of voting. We can’t just run around here “willie nillie” with NO government. That’s anarchy!

      Our government was based on the two-party system & that’s good enough for me. What we have to do is research the candidates & watch them…like a hawk! God gives us the ability to discern right from wrong, good from evil & truth from lies. We just have to listen! If people had listened to what O-dumbo was REALLY saying instead of what they THOUGHT they wanted to hear we wouldn’t be in QUITE as big a disaster as we are now!

      I know that there are a FEW decent Dumb-o-crats, & I know there are a few RINOs in the Republican Party, but the Republican Party can’t hold a candle in lies, deceit, evil & progressivism as the Dumb-o-crats. Nobody in the history of our country since Woodrow Wilson & Teddy Roosevelt, & not even they, could come close to taking us down the path of destruction & Global Government as THIS administration! At least on the issue of this so-called Health Care prank, the Republican Party has proven that they’re standing up for the views of the majority of the American people!

      We were excited about Scott Brown winning his election in Massachusetts in hopes that he could prevent the Health Care bill from being passed, but HE is a RINO! He TOLD us that he was an INDEPENDENT-thinking Republican which is another name for RINO! He’s NOT supposed to vote HIS independent views. He SUPPOSED to vote the views of the people he represents! He was truly the lesser of two evils, but that’s what we continue to do. THAT is why the Republican Party isn’t as Conservative as it should be. It’s OUR fault, not the Party! The Republican Party BELIEFS are still the same as they’ve always been & are my beliefs. It’s not the BELIEFS of the party that have changed, it’s the people that we’ve elected that DON’T seem to share these beliefs! Until NOW, we haven’t screened the Republican candidates or taken part in the process of selecting them & have left the process up to the Party. It’s OUR duty to research the candidates because it’s US they are supposed to represent & we need to make our voices heard!

      We don’t need to “wipe the slate clean” & start over. That would be “cutting our noses off to spite our faces”! We need to research how the incumbents have voted on all the issues. If they voted your views a majority of the time, then why would you want to take the chance on replacing them with someone who won’t?

      My Senator Lamar Alexander did a great job standing up to O-dumbo at the Health Care circus summit, but the day before, he voted to pass the “Jobs Bill”. He also voted to approve the racist, Progressive Sonya Sotomayor, to the Supreme Court. If there is a candidate running against him that can PROVE that he/she is more conservative, I’ll vote for that person.

      My Senator Bob Corker (who just took office in 2006) has voted my conservative views 100%. I’ll continue to vote for him as long as he stays true to my values.

      My Congressman Zack Wamp, who is now running for Governor of TN, has been in office for YEARS, but he’s voted my conservative views ever since he took office & I will vote for him as our Governor. If he wins the Governor’s race, I pray that we can replace him with someone with his values!

      If your state has representatives that don’t vote your views, replace them, but if some do, you might want to re-think replacing EVERYBODY. I don’t put ANYTHING past the Progressives in this administration, including planting more Progressives to run as Republicans! Until our Savior returns, we have to try to do HIS will for our country & we need to right the wrongs of the party whose beliefs most represent our conservative values, not create a new party that insures the Dumb-o-crats a victory that will finish off this great nation!

  • Tazio2013

    If chip wood and his fellow-traveling, tea-bagging, racist, white, right-wing-wacko republicans continue to speak, write and act as moronic and extreme as the left-wing-loony democrats, the real winner of the November 2012 election – it matters not whether POTUS 44 is re-elected or POTUS 45 is elected as both will be republikrats – will continue to be the NWO/GPE 1%ers. Suggest you all read / re-read Monday’s PLD: “How Does the 1 percent Control the 99 percent” along with The Daily Bell, LewRockwell.com, August Review and myriad other intelligent Libertarian and Austrian Economics oriented Internet sites and re-educate yourselves re the big picture; i.e., END THE FED and THE GOLD GAME: Honest Money / Austrian Economics (Gold Bullion) vs. Fiat Money / Keynesian Economics (Dollar, Euro, Pound, Yen) and realize that we are all in this mess together and nobody gets out alive. FYI, the dollar market price of gold is the single best and most accurate socio-politico-economic indicator the world has ever known. Remember what Deep Throat said as the way to discover the truth about Watergate; “Follow the money.” And don’t get your knickers in a twist over socialized health care; we have Social Security, Medicare and the VA so, a bit more “socialism” won’t be fatal. We did survive 8 years of cheney bush; the most dishonest, destructive and criminal administration in American history so, let’s learn from our mistakes and direct our anger at the NWO/GPE 1%ers!

    • DaveH

      Wow, we have here a Liberal who has established new records for Personal Attacks. And you think, Tazio, that any intelligent people are going to embrace your comments?

      • libertytrain

        DaveH – whatever do you mean? – According to the liberals they don’t ever do what the liberal you replied to did – so since they don’t do it the comment above yours probably doesn’t exist and if it does is W’s fault, or Fox’s fault or your fault, or my fault -

    • Warrior

      How about this for new flat tax brackets:

      Progressives – 100%
      Liberal – 70%
      Republicans – 30%
      Conservatives – 10%

      There, that should pay for all the added socializing that the progressives want to undertake. Don’t stop at medicine, we still have the world’s environment to take care of, illegals, free education, free willy, free everything.

      • American Citizen

        I like it, I like it. Let them live by what they are proposing. I especially like the last percentage.

        • Joe H.

          American Citizen,
          the only problem is if they have to pay for it there won’t be two libbies or progressives! At least they won’t admit it!!!

      • Meteorlady

        I like it, but they never spend their own money – they just like taking our.

    • zack

      tazio, I have one question for you, but you might have to go look in the mirror, are you black

      • Tazio2013

        zack, just an old white guy of irish+ german heritage and recovering catholic looking forward to when jesus returns on 12/21/12.

        • Barb

          If you weren’t such a boorish progressive Marxist I could feel sorry for you Tazio. Obviously somewhere along the way someone hurt you very much to make you so bitter towards your own people, culture and religion! That is sad but not our problem, so call us anything you like as I said we know better! As the old saying goes, sticks and stones etc. etc.

    • Meteorlady

      Ewe wow! What a rant. You covered name calling and Bush/Chaney. Gads I think that’s a new record for this site. Oh- I guess I am a right wing nutcase wacko, though really thought I was pretty normal until I read your post.

      Are SS, Medicare, Medicaid and VA well run programs? SS has been gutted by the congressional looters Medicare is about to be, while medicaid and VA struggle to even provide services. Dr’s are refusing new Medicare or Medicaid patients and some hospitals are turning them away. So what’s wrong with another socialist program? WE CAN’T AFFORD IT ANYMORE!

  • Steve

    People is makes no sense to argue with the Dumba$$acrats, they don’t know the truth and they can’t handle the truth either!!!

    Thank God for abortion because it keeps their ranks thinned out. It’s them that uses it the most because they have no sense of responsibility!!!!!

    • zack

      Steve yea I noticed the other night during the address to the “Republicans” that all the democrats pants were unzipped.

  • DaveH

    This is what it has come to. Rat out your friends, your neighbors, your relatives, and get a reward from the IRS. Reminds me of the stories I used to read about the USSR. After their Government impoverished the country, they were well known for encouraging the subjects to turn in their acquaintances:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/taxes/article/108952/rat-out-a-tax-cheat-collect-a-reward?mod=taxes-advice_strategy

    • JeffH

      If memory serves me right, one of the biggest anti-American socialists and a huge Obama and Democrat supporter named George Soros used to rat out his fellow jews to the Nazi’s during WWII.

      • Meteorlady

        Can that really be? Soros? The Obama puppet master? Soros is evil and I hate that he calls himself a citizen of this country.

        • JeffH

          Meteorlady…thought you might like to read this;
          http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/george_soros_and_the_alchemy_o.html

          • usmadgirl

            JeffH,

            Too bad some of us (like ME) had NOT discovered American Thinker BEFORE the 2008 election! Although I didn’t vote for O-dumbo, I would still like to have been more informed of all the shady crap going on in the world with the likes of Soros, et al! Boy, have I learned a LOT in the past year & 1/2! Tinwarble tried to tell me that I needed to read history & keep up with what was going on in the world! I just used my “gut” feeling & listened to what candidates said, but never did any research!

          • Barb

            I am sooooo glad that information is FINALLY coming out about Soros. I think people were afraid to touch this with a ten foot pole but maybe now it’ll become common knowledge. I was informed of an article on him during the campaign and it scared the begeevers out of me! I became an instant activist for the 1st. time in my life at age 58! And will continue to my death if need be.

  • Roger

    A few weeks before Christmas, a man, who lived in a remote area in the forest, decided to get a Christmas tree. He took his 2 oldest children, Harold and Nana, and off they went. They found a tree that they liked, cut it down and dragged it back to their house. The man’s wife met them at the front door and said, “Were do you think you going with that ugly tree?”. “Into the living room” said the man. The wife retorted, “You are not bringing that monstrosity into my house. It is too big, it has big bare spots were branches are missing, and it is lopsided. Besides, it is just plain ugly”. The man replied, “But honey, if you put some of your beautiful ornaments on the tree, nobody will know the difference”. “Are you crazy?” said the wife, “You are not bringing that monstrosity into my house. Go get another one.” “But we spent so much time getting this one and besides it is getting late and the children are tired”. “GO GET ANOTHER TREE”, yelled the wife. MMMmmmmmm. Sound a little familiar? The President wants his tree and doesn’t much care about ornaments. The Republicans refuse to have this really ugly tree in the house.

  • RT

    I watched about 5 hours of the debate. (And man, if you need to be constantly amused, I think the WWF is what you’re looking for. The serious people in this country looked on this as an opportunity.)
    I thought the GOPers came equipped with their talking points and little else. If you start the conversation by saying “Start over” after a year of debate, you’re talking to hear yourself talk.

    • Larry Stanley

      Does appear there was a debate, but one party or the other missed listening or embracing the others agenda.

    • Joe H.

      RT,
      yeah it wouldn’t make sense to do what 70% of the people were telling them to do would it???

      • usmadgirl

        JoeH, J C & Meteorlady,

        Short, simple & right on the mark!

    • J C

      Government involvement in our personal choices…in the organizing of industry…is unConstitutional, period. So there is no debate.
      Obama the usurper should just STFU and be thankful that he is still perched in the Oval Office at all.

    • Meteorlady

      There was no “debate” there was just a defense of the current plan(s). No moderator, no one to try and get the two sides to read consensus – nothing. It was a show and you seem to have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

  • RebelBooster

    I did bother to watch Obama care summit. What a joke, just another platform for the arrogant communist who occupies our white house. The thrust of the whole thing was, we are doing this no matter what people think. Taking ove health care is NOT about saving money or cutting costs. It is power and control. It is about Eugenics, abortion, and an ever bigger government.

    Is our system really broken? Break your leg, in minutes there is an ambulance, minutes after that you are in an emergency room. Your broken leg will be set and casted with or without insurance or payment of any kind. Just ask the illegal aliens if this isn’t true.

    Where our system is broken can be traced to big pharma, the FDA, the AMA and goverment interferance. Vaccinations (all of them) are bad.
    Antibiotics for a common cold helps the super bugs gain resistence to them.

    My solution. Don’t go see a Doctor unless you are badly injured. The last time I saw an M.D. was when I out-processed from the army in 1975. My kids never had a vaccination. They never went to a Pediatrician even thogh my cousin is one. My kids are grown healthy adults now, and to my knowledge neither has ever seen an M.D. as a patient. My wife and I take a total of zero medications, never have and never will. The one sixth of the economy related to health care would be out of practice if it has to wait for us.

    We do not have health insurance either, don’t need it, don’t want it. If everyone would just stop this nonsense on their own it would become a non-issue. Save all the cash you put out on premiums, and if you do need to see a Doctor, pay him or her. They will love it and treat you much better.

    What’s broken is the government. They need to to quit poisening our water with flouride and who knows what else, stop with the Eugenics,
    stop with the world police function, and most of the rest of what they have self-proclaimed themselves to be in charge of. Shut down the IRS, HUD, and especially the NEA (national education). Everything the government tries to do turns into a beaurocratic nightmare. I’m just saying…

    • RT

      Cool. Love ya, man. And can I have the Social Security payments you’ll no doubt refuse when it comes time? I mean, with your philosophy you won’t need them, right?

      • RebelBooster

        Exactly, don’t need or want Social Security. Would like to have back what they took and put in it, but am willing to let that go. I did my patriotic duty and served the politicians by going to a “police action”, which sure didn’t seem like a “police action to me.”

        I pay the IRS every month forever, I’ll trade Social Security benefits for getting rid of them any time. I rely on myself and God’s grace. He is still the great physician, and by the way there is no un-employment, no recession, no sickness or shortage of gold in heaven. There is an idea. Bank with God, you can actually trust Him.

        You go on with your meds and look forward to that day you too can retire to an old folks home, and you are ENTITLED to your So-called Social Security. Be sure and set up a trust so you can soak as much off the government as possible. Oh jokes on you, it’s all fiat fake money anyway. You are nothing more than a debit made up on a data base in some beaurocrats dreams. They are betting you are going to die soon after your productive work years are done. Just to hedge the bet a little, please roll up your sleve, it’s flu season and N1H1 is raging. Oh you don’t want to pay for it…Hmmm how about we give it tou you for free. Seeing as how you stupid taxpayers already bought it anyway.

        You brought nothing into this world and it is certain you are taking nothing out. Time to switch banks and Doctors.

        • American Citizen

          I’d like to hear you after you get cancer or another debilitating disease. You’ll wish you had some kind of insurance, believe me. I am a 13 year cancer survivor and had to go on COBRA first as my husband retired right after I was diagnosed, then I became eligible for Medicare. As to that, we still pay $8,000 a year our of our Social Security for our healthcare premiums, deductibles and co-pays. Under Obamacare, it will cost us even more. His bill will solve nothing, only make healthcare more expensive and harder to get.

      • Meteorlady

        Hate to burst your bubble – but SS was put in place as a supplemental retirement income for the American people. Those people worked years and years and paid into that program. Just like an UAW pension fund. People are owed their SS money back. The reason it’s going broke is because the congress has looted it for other failed and bloated social programs. So think if the UAW started looting the worker’s program until it was bankrupt. They would be in court. Medicare was the same thing – paid for by workers through special payroll taxes. We have a right to expect to get that money, or at least services equivalent to the money we paid in, back when we retire.

        With that said I would rather have had all those special payroll taxes instead of having to forcibly pay them. If I had that money I would be retired and living very comfortably with great health care insurance.

        • Barb

          Thank you very much for pointing out these very important yet often distorted facts. Every hard working American who has been working since before my time has paid SS tax every pay check and tax for Medicare to make retirement easier for the workers of the US. A forced savings plan if you will. And as Meteorlady pointed out we got robbed and continue to, to the point that now after 40 years of our paying into these two accounts there will be nothing there when we retire next year! That my friends is not an entitlement like Medicaid or Welfare or “free” healthcare to any and all at taxpayers expense, it’s hard earned money we had to put in and now may never get back. If they were entitlements I would say no thanks too but they are NOT, they are funded by us and are due to us, we EARNED them! To RebelBooster You earned that money, you put it in and now YOU take it out while you still can and with PRIDE. It is NOT a double standard when it is our own money we are getting back, money we earned, not held out an idle lazy hand for. Please excuse my poor sentence building here. Sorry libs but Medicare is paid for by the working class and it goes to everyone 65 and over whether they worked or lived off of the government their entire worthless lives, and I’m referring to the healthy people out there who could have worked but chose not to because they knew the libs would pave the path for them.Oh and by the way RebelBooster sounds like you were in Nam. Just wanted to thank you Sir for your service to your country, more feel this way than you know! Thanks to all the veterans out there especially the Viet Nam Vets!

          • Jana

            Another point, my mother has about $100. a month taken out of her SS for Medicare Ins. then she has to buy Medigap insurance which is another $120. plus pay for a Part B which is for Medicines which runs about $41. through AARP which is not being a member of this organization, they just put her in touch with an insurance company. So, by the time its all done and said she pays about $260. a month for Insurance and from what I understand that is not a family rate if my daddy were still living he would have to pay that much too. They don’t get anything free.

          • American Citizen

            Anyone who thinks Medicare is free is sadly mistaken. You’d better have something laid back to supplement SS as your standard of living will go down. As to Medicare, it costs us upwards of $8,000 a year for the two of us for Part B, Medicare Drug ins., deductibles and co-pays.

  • Roger

    RT: The point is that there has been no debate. Those that created this monstrosity have done so behind closed doors, making deals and giving out favors in exchange for support. That is not debate. Even the so called “Summit” was not a debate. In a debate the moderator is neutral. In a debate both parties have equal time. In a debate the winner is chosen AFTER the debate, not before.

    • RT

      That’s absolutely wrong and ridiculous on the facts. We’ve had a year of nothing but debate. There have been votes in the House and Senate. And Barack even offered to take up 4 points suggested by a Republican at the summit. Don’t even bother me with that specious argument, Roger.

      • Radical RW’er

        Ha! Where have you been for the last year? They have not once included the repubs in any debate. Are you kidding me?!

      • American Citizen

        When it came to crafting the bill, no Republicans were invited to the table. They wouldn’t even give the Republican bill a hearing.

      • Joe H.

        RT,
        We had a year of hearings all right and all behind closed doors and no repubs allowed!!!

      • Meteorlady

        RT – did you watch any or all of the program? If so, you would have seen that no one offered anything that could or would change the Democrats minds or Obama’s. Obama was boring, condescending and just plain arrogant and he provided no direction to either party. He also did not try for consensus on any point that came up. He had his mind made up and this was all a show that was supposed to appease the American taxpayer into believing that there was a fair trade of information and ideas. I think that the republicans had some very valid points about the budget and the cost of the program.

        Next question – why are they trying to ram this down our throats with no cost controls, rationing to older Americans, illegals will still receive health care, and abortions are taxpayer provided. Many religions do not believe in abortions so theses people will be forced to actually fund them with their hard earned money. Bottom line is we have three failed government health care programs and none are being addressed or fixed. Obama wants to take from Medicare which was a payroll tax for a specific program. Medicare is “owed” to the workers that paid into the plan. He has never said he will get rid of the waste and fraud in Medicaid because it’s too big and corrupt. He has not addressed fixing VA either. So, with that said do you really think we need another bloated, poorly run, program that is riddled with waste and fraud?

        It’s a state right and the federal government should butt out of it.

  • http://Consolidated Barbara

    Hey! We’re talking 1/6 of our economy here. The President was arogant especially with John McKain. I think before he ever came into that room it was decided to ram it through with or without the Republicans!! They should start from scratch and what is the hurry?? We don’t want a government Health Care Bill!!

    • RT

      And John McCain was boring everyone with his old campaign speech.
      After a solid YEAR of debate, there’s no reason to start over. Amend yes. But a do-over? No bloody way!

      • DaveH

        You’re right, no more debate. Just kill the Bill!

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          EXACTAMUNDO!

      • Mike

        DaveH you’re so right! Stop this bill and focus on the real problem!

        For those who are awake, know the disease is not the free markets.
        It’s the wolves in sheeples clothing, the almighty INSURANCE COMPANIES, who are the problem. The cure~ Get rid of Insurance Companies all together, and get the costs back in line to where they were historically, that is, up until I.C. came in the picture and screwed things up. We already have medical programs for the poor.

        Insurance Companies are directly responsible for driving prices through the roof, and making $BILLIONS$ along the way. And, to top it off, they get to decide who will get care and who will not. Who needs them!

        Medical services are already offered to all. What makes it unavailable, is the sky-rocketing costs for those services (inflation not considered).

        Doctors and hospitals raise their prices HIGH, as a result of I.C. negotiating the prices down to low levels that are unsustainable to expand care, or even stay in business!

        Those who do not have insurance, are the real victims of this I.C. scam! Many go bankrupt! Are we that dumb that we allow there to be a middleman between us and the right to get proper care!

        It is not the Dr. who would ever turn us down for a procedure. However, Insurance Companies would do it in a second. Don’t forget that! All in the name of profit.

        Now, the goverment is forcing us to get that insurance, or get fined, or even go to jail. How insane is that! That’s tyranny! This goverment needs to go!

        Enough is enough! The people have spoken!! However, corrupt politician are still pushing it, even though they know it’s political suicide. This means they have been bought! Vote, all who helped pass this, out of office this fall…and take away their benefits!

    • Meteorlady

      They should not start from scratch. They should fix the programs we already have. Medicare, Medicaid and VA. They should also stop looting Social Security – that’s money that every worker in this country has put into for a specific reason – “supplemental retirement income” – and it should never have been opened up to the crooks in Washington DC to steal from in order to finance other doomed government programs. Medicare is the same, workers paid for that and the rules should not have changed in the middle of the game.

  • Louise

    Chip Wood,
    Once again you got it wrong,the Republicans won’t reconcile with the President or the Democrats!
    You have joined the rest of the WHINNERS who read you column.
    We need health care reform. I know the plan before the senate isn’t perfect but it is a starting place if the Republicans would put the health of the people before politics.

    • JC

      Keep your filthy commie hands off my freedom of choice.

      • DaveH

        Louise,
        It is you who are putting politics before health. Socialism has never worked in any country that has fully implemented it. If you and your Liberal cohorts succeed in passing the Healthcare Bill you are setting in motion the trashing of our economy, thus impoverishing those you feign concern for. It is a fact of life that the more Government control there is, the worse the economies are.
        Make no mistake about it, Louise, you want to take other peoples’ money and force your way on others. You are no better than a common criminal.

    • Mike

      Startin place, Loiuse! Wrong-o!

      Idiot Libs view this as a “tit for tat”, and an opportunity to get theirs. Well, they’ll get theirs, if this bill passes.

      For those who are awake, know the disease is not the free markets.
      It’s the wolves in sheeples clothing, the almighty INSURANCE COMPANIES, who are the problem. The cure~ Get rid of Insurance Companies all together, and get the costs back in line to where they were historically, that is, up until I.C. came in the picture and screwed things up. We already have medical programs for the poor.

      Insurance Companies are directly responsible for driving prices through the roof, and making $BILLIONS$ along the way. And, to top it off, they get to decide who will get care and who will not. Who needs them!

      Medical services are already offered to all. What makes it unavailable, is the sky-rocketing costs for those services (inflation not considered).

      Doctors and hospitals raise their prices HIGH, as a result of I.C. negotiating the prices down to low levels that are unsustainable to expand care, or even stay in business!

      Those who do not have insurance, are the real victims of this I.C. scam! Many go bankrupt! Are we that dumb that we allow there to be a middleman between us and the right to get proper care!

      It is not the Dr. who would ever turn us down for a procedure. However, Insurance Companies would do it in a second. Don’t forget that! All in the name of profit.

      Now, the goverment is forcing us to get that insurance, or get fined, or even go to jail. How insane is that! That’s tyranny! This goverment needs to go!

      Enough is enough! The people have spoken!! However, corrupt politician are still pushing it, even though they know it’s political suicide. This means they have been bought! Vote, all who helped pass this, out of office this fall…and take away their benefits!

    • Meteorlady

      Did you actually take time to watch any or all of the debate (if that’s what you want to call it)? If not, why such an ugly comment?

  • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

    I watched the debate on and off all the day of the health care summit_it was clear 20 minutes into it, Obambi was driving his agenda of health care__it’s quite clear these Dems are willing to jump ship for health care even if it means their jobs__this admin wants to be the ones who got public option health care through, and I say letem’ hang themselves, we’ll bury them in November at the polls___while the Economy tanks and more and more jobs are lost, Obambi and his cronies continue to create the health crisis, just to get this bill through__i’m not saying we don’t have a problem in health care__we do__but people are not dying in the streets!!!!__ how’s ’bout worrying about this economy first__
    My husband’s dad was in politics in both in the state and the federal level__we are in our 50′s, we’ve been around politics for more than 30 years, egos and all__we’re conservatives__but I’ll tell you what, I’ve never seen a more arrogant SOB, that one half of America voted in the White House last year__I’m not sure if being the first black President has gone to his head or what__but Obama needs get off the pedestal he’s put himself on and stop trying to collapse our economy into socialism__and Govern America as One Nation Under God and keep the unions out of it!!
    May God Help Us were going to need it___

    • STY

      No Angel, they’re dying quietly behind closed doors. I guess we should wait until they’re in the street, then you’d be finding some other lame example why we should turn our head.
      For God’s sake, how can you call on God when you are so far from the teachings of His son?

      • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

        STY,I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE YOU CAME FROM, BUT I WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE BEEN AN ABORTION, THE DAMN GOVERNMENT DIDN’T SAVE ME FROM IT__ GOD DID!__AS FOR HEALTHCARE__IF YOU GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM FOR TREATMENT__YOU CANNOT NOT BE DENIED TREATMENT–REGARDLESS OF THE ABILITY TO PAY??__LOOK KID___I TAKE IT THATS WHAT YOU ARE??__I TOOK CARE OF MY MOTHER FROM THE TIME I WAS 7__SHE WAS SICK ALL OF MY LIFE AND ALL BUT 11 YEARS OF HERS___’I’M 53!!__ I DIDN’T RUN TO THE HOSPITAL EVERY TIME SHE HAD AN EMERGENCY__WHILE SHE WAS A PATIENT___17 TIMES IN 15 YEARS__I LEARNED FROM THE HOSPITAL STAFF HOW TO GIVE SHOTS AND TAKE CARE OF CATHETERS__ FEEDING TUBES__ALSO ADMINISTER_I’V SOLUTIONS__CARE FOR HICKMAN PORTS AND CENTRALS___IS THE GOVERNMENT GONNA MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL THAT_IF YOUR OLD AND CRIPPLED, JUST TO KEEP YOU ALIVE IF NEED BE??__KIDDO, I HAD A DOCTOR WHO WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH DOING WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY WANTED RATHER THAN CARE FOR MY MOTHER__-TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT___HMO’S WERE THE INSURANCE BACK THEN___MY MOTHER NEEDED OXYGEN TO GO HOME WITH HER TO MY HOME__BUT HER O2 LEVELS HAD TO BE 83% OR BELOW IN ORDER FOR THE INSURANCE TO COVER IT__OTHER WISE I WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY IT OUT OF POCKET, I COULDN’T AFFORD AND NEITHER COULD SHE___THE NEXT DAY, I FOUND MY MOTHER IN HER HOSPITAL ROOM, WITH HER OXYGEN MASK OFF__HER WATER PILL WAS STOPPED AND TWO NURSES WERE DRAGGING MY MOTHERS 69 POUND BODY ACROSS THE HOSPITAL ROOM FLOOR–TO MAKE HER BREATH HARD ENOUGH TO GET HER O2 LEVEL DOWN 3 POINTS TO SATISFY THE INSURANCE COMPANY!!!I LATER FOUND THAT OUT FROM THE DOCTOR___IF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WERE RATIONING CARE WHEN WE WERE PAYING FOR IT THEN__YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS THE GOVERNMENT GONNA’S BE EVEN WORSE___GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE BLOGG-ER-ARENA AND TALK TO SOME REAL WORLD PEOPLE__WHO KNOWS ABOUT WHAT RATIONING CARE REALLY IS___I LIVED IT!!!
        ANGELWANNBE

        • Jana

          Angelwannabe,
          What you have lived through has been horrific. However, it shows that we need to listen to people like you who have lived through it. The nurses found a loophole around the insurance by getting your mothers CO2 down, but there won’t be any loopholes in the gov’t’s health care debacle. They would say just let your mother die. They want to be our god, not capitalized on purpose.

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, what I revealed above was only the half of it, I worked in geriatrics, sadly I know what death looks like__my mother had hours to live___i asked the nurse to notify the Dr. and have a morphine drip put on her_that she suffered enough in life__the Dr. refused and said he would be over to check on her in the morning___I said she’s not living out the day__he flatly refused to give the order__two of my mothers formers doctors, one of which who originally diagnosed that my mother only had weeks to live, overheard the conversation___these two doctors__said” that they would give the order for my mothers morphine and deal with that bastard later””___thankfully she died peacefully two hours later___My hands were tied to sue him, my father was still living, and in charge, he was 76 and too tired to fight and refused___health care just isn’t about beaucradic control, it’s about each of us learning, knowing the ropes and tools to do what needs to be done__we cannot rely on government or anyone else for our own or our families survival__we need to inform ourselves__we need to stay alert__family is everything!

        • STY

          Thanks for the complement (KID) but I’m 52 so you’re not my elder I have paid attention to what’s going on in the government more than you know.
          Your post above (life story of struggle with the healthcare and insurance industries is the perfect argument for health care insurance reform. Couldn’t have said it better.

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            STY__THIS TOOK PLACE UNDER THE OLD HMO SYSTEM OF HEALTHCARE___THIS PERTICULAR HMO SYSTEM IS NO LONGER IN USE__WHY??___BECAUSE OF THE EXAMPLES LIKE THE ABOVE!___THINK ABOUT IT__IF YOU RATION MEDICAL SERVICES YOU GET RATIONED CARE__PRETTY SIMPLE__YOU LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE CARE OF YOU__YOUR RESULT IS GOING TO BE SOMEONE ELSES IDEAS AND OPINIONS, ACROSS THE BOARD, HEALTH CARE WILL NOT CREATED FOR YOUR PERTICULAR PROBLEM____YA CAN’T DUMP FAMILY IN THE MEDICAL SYSTEM AND WALK AWAY AND THEN EXPECT GOVERNMENT OR SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE IT BETTER___YOU GOTTA FOLLOW UP AND WACTH WHAT GOES ON!__YA BETTER BE ABLE TO HANG WITH THE BIG DOGS IN THIS LIFE,DOLL, OR JUST STAY ON THE PORCH ___THERE ISN’T ANYTHING FAIR IN LIFE__NOTHING’S FREE EITHER____GET OVER IT!

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            STY_healthcare insurance reform won’t weed out scum doctors either who are only in the job for the money___human plants posing as patients may advert it___tort reform, on frivilous lawsuits__allowing people to buy insurance across state lines_increases competetion__QUESTION, if our health care is so bad, why in the hell do people come here from canada and all over the world for treatment, operations and health care?__it’s because we have the best care there is___
            NO ONE SAID IT WAS CHEAP OR FREE!
            if ya want free healthcare go to medicaid, when your older theres medicare___BUT WAIT, BOTH ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS ARE BROKE!__so is the damn post office!!!__ and then you believe adding another entitlement program like public option healthcare is going to be different, WHILE TAKING 500 MILLION OUT OF MEDICARE AS WELL__WOW, EUPHORIA NEXT LEFT!!
            if you want to give all of your pertinent medical DATA to government bureacrats posing as health care professionals who care, and your bank account numberS SO THEY CAN TAP YOUR ACCOUNT WHEN IT’S TIME TO PAY THE PREMIUMS__ THEN you go ahead a VOTE FOR IT__IT WILL BE THE SAME AS THE HMO OF YESTERYEAR!__Obamas health care reform is nothing more than another power grab and one more of our american freedom that’ll be lost. And when the major companies we all work for realize it’s going to be cheaper to go with public option healthcare_we all will be forced on public option wether we want it not____LET’S SEE__30 million people who don’t have health insurance as opposed to 300 million of us here in the US???__and you want to agree to change 1/6th of the economy__I’d be DIFFERENT if more than half the country didn’t have healthcare___do some homework__YOU SHOW ME AND TELL ME WETHER IT’S CONSITUTIONAL TO BE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE OR FACE A FINE IF YOU DON’T__ and by the way_I am your elder_ I’m 53

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            FOR ANY DOUBTING THOMAS’S

            RONALD REAGAN WARNED US ALL IN 1961 OF THE DANGERS OF BUREAUCRATS HIDING BEHIND THE DIGUISE OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE
            CLICK LINK BELOW__IF LINK DOESN’T WORK __GO TO YOUTUBE AND TYPE
            “RONALD REAGAN SPEAKS OUT ON SOCIALIZED MEDICINE”
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

          • Jana

            angelwannabe, yes he did and he is still right.

  • Roger

    RT: Four points. Really. Over 2 thousand pages of oppressive, destructive and expensive law and you say the President is reasonable because he was willing to give in on 4 points. The facts are that very little if anything that has been suggested by anyone has been put in this bill besides what Reed and Polosi want in it. That is not debate. Regardless of what was said on the Senate and House floor, the bills came from behind closed door. This is attested to by the fact that no one saw the bills until Harry and Nancy wanted them to see them. The way these bills were created and the deals that were made are corrupt government at its worst.

  • Roger

    Louise: You are absolutely right when you say that the Republicans will not reconcile with the President and the Democratic leaders. We want Constitutional government and the President’s bill ignores the Constitution. We want freedom of choice and the President’s bill takes away freedom. We want the relationship between our doctors and us to be protected and the President’s bill takes away that protections. These are non-negotiable issues and yes we will not reconcile on them.

  • http://aol borderlinedevill

    its only been used once an that was for the budget now let me add theres 8% of the people without i so the rest that has insur?nsurance that cant afford it the rest dont wanna buy insurance

  • Charlotte McCommon

    If they put through this HC bill then everyone in the government need to be on board and change their plans too. They should never be able to exempt themselves from the laws they make for us. I hope that the ones who are standing for the anti-abortion language keep standing firm, and don’t cave in. Our President doesn’t seem to care what the people want.

    • DaveH

      Charlotte,
      They just need to kill the whole bill. No “just a little bit of government” compromises. Government involvement in Healthcare is what got us to this point. We need less, not more.

  • Roger

    I favor an Amendment to the Constitution that would require all three branches of the government to be subject to all laws passed by Congress. That would mean that the President, Senators, Representatives, their families and staff would be under this crazy healthcare plan. That would put an immediate end to all of this bickering.

    • Charlotte McCommon

      How do we start this?

    • Dorothy

      Roger – Your statement was the most intelligent thing said on this
      forum, barring none!! Right on – now try to sway Big O!!

  • Mike

    JC
    Oscama is only +6% African. He’s only half when he needs votes! Red is correctly put!

  • http://NewsMaxreferral Robert from Maine

    I keep reading and viewing the fact that some of the stimulus money hasn’t been spent yet, or is unaccounted for. Is there a possibility that this money has been held back to be infused into the various 50 states, at specific times, after being tipped off, (through back channels), in order to make the phony statistics being released by the government….. ‘look better’ ? Only released at crisis periods, to mollify the press, and “the American people”. Not to mention the illegal freeloaders.
    I have read ALL the reply/posts, and can see no matter what your opinions, there is definitely a problem with our government, and if this Obamacare does get passed, the ones approving of Obamas’ plans will eventually find out the truth,….but it will be too late. If we don’t hang together and call our congressmen and Senators, we will all hang separately.

    • DaveH

      Robert,
      There is little doubt in my mind that they are planning to use that money to buy votes.

  • DaveH

    The only acceptable bill is one that cuts back government involvement in the Healthcare Field.
    If we let them get away with any increased government involvement, it will just cause more inefficiency and higher costs. Then they will use that for an excuse later to get even more involved. Liberals rarely admit they screwed up. They will just keep trying more and more socialism until this country is bankrupt.
    This is the only Real Solution:
    http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

    • Cella

      Republicans bombarded Americans with false but effective talk of death panels and a government takeover of their doctors. Before Jan 8 of 2009, I never once had people complaining of the country going broke. As the budget was going into the trillions not one concerned citizen was worried enough to start the Tea Party. After Obama had been in office about 2 months, as banks businesses and the world economy was going down the creek putting us on the path of a replay of the 1929 stock market crash. The Tea Party started. I am glad everyone had a great answer and a fix to the problem.If it was so easy, why was it there to begin with? This country will stay divided. Even if the stock market rebounds and we double our money, it will be Obama’s fault. Socialism is people making over 250 thousand dollars a year and paying less taxes than someone making 50 thousand dollars a year. Watch out what you complain about. Your beloved Medicare could be gone for good. Keep calling government medicine socialized medicine.

      • Roger

        Cella: I am probably much older than you. I remember discussions about deficit spending going back 50 years. Depending on which party you belonged to, the opposing party would criticize the party in power for spending too much. This was the criticism of Johnson’s Great Society legislation. Nixon was criticized for this and so was Regan. Kennedy won the 1960 Election mainly because there was a mild recession in the later years of the Eisenhower administration. One of the first things Kennedy did was to lower taxes to rev up the economy. There have been efforts to start third parties for a long time. Teddy Roosevelt tried to break away from the Republican Party and started the Bull Moose Party. George Wallace wanted to start a third party as did Ross Perot. So you see the Tea Party movement is not a new thing. The aspect of the Tea Part that is new is that they don’t seem to want to create a new party but want to influence an existing party instead. I think that is a wise path for them since starting a third party has not been successful in the past. As for this recession, the root cause goes back at least to the Carter Administration if not before. Our government, in an effort to allow everybody the opportunity to buy into the “American Dream” encouraged banks to give mortgage loans to people who could not afford them. This created the housing boom of the early 2000s. In the late 2000s, the chickens came home to roost. Foreclosures began to rise and the economy began to go into the dumper. No one was at fault, but everybody was at fault. The problem was that we had wandered away from the principles of good government and no one wanted to make the sacrifice to get back on track. Well here we are at a cross-road. We can either accelerate the follies of the past and hope that somehow something will save us or we can get back to good government principles that will require many very, very hard sacrifices. That is the basis of this whole discussion. Which path do you want to take?

        • Cella

          Rodger: You have some points. All of not which I agree, but at least it is an opinion with some merit. When I read musslims want to rule. Obama knows he is one. Stupid talk, radical to the point. Almost makes me think like Conservatives are the American Taliban. Tiger Woods is a Buddist. Maybe not a good one, but even if Obama was a Musslim. Even though he is not, This constitution says freedom of religion. To say stupid things takes away from different points of views. that is one good thing, this country has many different views to the point that a civil war could be brewing and to have so much hate is quite scary. I have not always agreed with every president, but I have never hated one like the hate that comes across the internet. Before people get too radical, they better be prepared to destroy this country with a war, or if after 4 years you do not like how things are going, vote him out.Thats the way this country works. Our children will never recover from a civil war. It is no secret allot of the hate is white people fear having a black man at the helm.PS… I am white.

          • American Citizen

            Celia, every white person I know could care less about Obama’s color. It’s his policies they don’t like or want. We can see where this country is headed and it’s not pretty. Do you really want to become a slave to the government?

          • American Citizen

            As to a war, that’s going to happen in November at the ballot box.

          • Joe H.

            Cella,
            If Obummer is not a Muslim, then chalk it up to another lie he told!! He said he was a Muslim during hia campaign!!! google is obamma a muslim and you can find it!!!

          • usmadgirl

            American Citizen & Joe H,

            You are “beating a dead dufus”! Cella has been ranting about the race thing & all the same old same old, over & over! She or he or whatever is not going to GET IT…EVER…PERIOD!

      • American Citizen

        You must be young. If you read the bill, there will be rationing of health care. Common sense says there will be because if you add 30 million plus to the healthcare system willy nilly, where will you get the doctors? There is already a shortage. Have you tried lately to make an appointment with a doctor? Unless it’s an emergency, you will most probably wait two weeks or more. It will only get worse unless the medical schools take in more applicants. One Medical school here in our state had 20,000 applicants for slots of 200. So if you’re old, the government may tell you you may not have a procedure that will save your life such as stents, etc. That’s where the death panels come in, bureaucrats deciding whether you can have the care or not. What will decide is the cost, that’s how they’ll save money.

        • American Citizen

          This is for Celia.

          • Jana

            She said she was 57. Go figure some people never grow up an get out of that gimme mentality.

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            Is that ever true! Give me a break! If insanity is doing the same thing over & over expecting different results, does that also apply to SAYING the same thing over & over expecting different results?

      • Meteorlady

        Cella – you might want to research and get your facts straight….

        The top 20% of all earners in the US pay about 80% of all taxes. While the bottom 50% pay less than 10%.

        It’s a myth that the rich don’t pay taxes. There are tax breaks that are generally available only to wealthy investors but they do pay the majority of all taxes in the end.

        Here’s a little scenario backed by Richard Vedder of Ohio State University. Between 1998 to 2007, more than 1,100 people EVERY DAY moved from nine high income tax states such as California, New Jersey, New York and Ohio and relocated to more tax friendly states. He also found that over these same years the no-income tax states created 89% more jobs and had 32% faster personal growth than their high-tax counterparts. Now put that at a federal level and know that if you start taxing the “rich” they will just move out of the country to more “tax friendly” places.

        The government is the problem, not the solution to creating jobs or providing social services.

        • DaveH

          Then as we lose more of our manufacturers, the Liberals (in both parties) will be blaming that on too little government, and saying we need more regulation.

  • Joe

    “the president has made it clear it’s “my way or the highway.”

    Hmmm… Didn’t the democrats rant and rave at George Bush for 8 years, repeatedly LYING in THEIR accusations, insults, diatribes and general deliberate disrespect for all things non-liberal for having a ‘my way or the highway’ attitude?

    Then again, if George Bush had truly had the “my way or the highway’ attitude that they accused him of while attempting to make him look like a fool and obstruct every thing he tried to do, he would have used his veto pen on some of their pet pork barrel projects.

    I used to be one of those people who say “I vote for the man, not the party”. Well, not any more. Voting for a democrat anywhere seems to me like sitting in the stands at your sons highschool football game and cheering for the quarterback on the other team. Granted, the republican ‘team’ leaves a great deal to be desired, but unless they devolve to the point where they are deliberately trying to turn our country into the United Socialist States of America (USSA ? ) they get my vote by default. I will ‘vote for the man’ or the woman during primary elections, but come general election time, it’ll be a cold day in hell before I’ll vote for a democrat.

    If a third party arises, it had better be a really good one, a really strong one, or else I suspect the democrats are not going to loose as much as some seem to think they are. A split conservative vote will result in liberal victory, I am afraid.

    The Republicans need to learn how to stand up, fight back, damn the verbal torpedoes, full speed ahead and work as a team for a change. If they can do that, with some real leadership (whoever that might be) then America has a chance for survival as a country our grandfathers would recognize.

    • usmadgirl

      Joe,

      You are right on the mark! I wouldn’t vote for a Dumb-o-crap NOW (not that I ever would) if someone said they’d kill me if I didn’t!

      See my comment to “Woody” (not TOO far up from this comment) who said we needed another party or NO party. That will explain what I think we need to do (if you’re interested) as Conservative Republicans.

  • jon

    chip Someone needs to CUT OFF the WHITE GLOVE!! IF we don”t he is going to do away with constsition TOO!! IT”S just the start of AMERICAS down fall. North africa LOVES obama,wonder why, HE”S from there!! That he get the BLUE lips! WE need to drill for oil here. And tell sodies to sud it. Drill here and sell to them for 3 times as much. That help AMERICA. We have 8 times more than the sodies had to start with, whats wrong with this picture!! this is in montana,HELLO!! The goverment is blowing a lot of smoke up our REARS!! IT”S all about how money they can get for them selfs! and lie to us. The musslins want to RULE!! obama KNOWS!! HE”S ONE!!

    • Roger

      Jon: I would like to comment on your posting. I agree with some of your comments, but not all. First, President Obama was not from North Africa. His birth father was from Kenya which is in Central or Equatorial Africa. Some believe that he was born in Kenya, but that has not been unproven. He was trained as a Moslem in his youth but converted to Christianity in his 20s. In the last 20+ years he has attended a church in Chicago which preached severe racial hated from the pullet. I am not sure what effect it had on him, but it must have had some. As far as energy is concerned, many of his proposed policies have merit, but not all. We should be developing alternative energy sources as fast as we can; nuclear, wind, solar and biochemical. But we should also be developing coal and petroleum. If we could take full advantage of all possible sources of energy, we could significantly lower the price of energy around the world. This would not only help the US, but would benefit every nation in the world. It would assist poor countries to feed their people. It would allow more countries to advance into the modern era and we know as people throw off the shackle of poverty they tend to become more peaceful. Obama has embraced some of these ideas but his government based approach will not accomplish that which needs to be accomplished. Lastly, Jon, the comment about blue lips was derogatory and unnecessary. It has not place in this discussion.

    • Marc

      Why does this seem like calling an offshore consumer service line…..? You want them to speak English when people who are from here can’t seem to….. I have heard Indian/Pakistani accents that were clearer. And much more coherent.

    • STY

      YOU WILL BE PUNISHED FOR THE THINGS YOU SAY. IT MAY NOT BE IN THIS LIFE BUT IT’S COMING.
      YOU CAN HIDE BEHIND A FLAG AND UNDER YOUR HOOD BUT THE TRUTH IS THERE.

  • ABinGA

    Dig for coal, drill for natural gas and oil here which in turn creates more jobs. Keep the jobs here. I agree with Roger. The derogatory comments we can do without. As far as health care, the government needs to stay out of it, the way they want to head anyway. To much control.

    • Marc

      You’re right , the government (which is supposed to be by the people, for the people ((sounds socialist)) ) should stay out of it and leave it to the insurance companies that have done such a good job of it…..

      • J C

        Marc, assuming you’re being sarcastic about the insurance companies…
        I’d have to say that the only reason these BIG CORPORATE INSURANCE COMPANIES are able to get away with the things they do is because government is already involved and is already complicit in this.
        So when we say get the government out of health care, we mean out of it altogether. That includes repealing any laws that allow the insurance companies to side step their commitments to their clients.
        The cure for too much government isn’t “more” government.

        • usmadgirl

          J C,

          Ditto! And, have I heard correctly that those EVIL insurance companies make a whopping 3% profit? Wow, what a HUGE percentage! I’ve also heard that those horrible pharmaceutical companies, who have to spend exhorbitant amounts on research aren’t the ones who make the big profits, but instead the pharmacies, like CVS, Rite-Aid, Walgreens, etc. That’s why they can afford to have a store on every corner. I didn’t research this, just heard it so don’t hold me to it!

      • http://grockit.smugmug.com/ MIchael A. Beck

        Hey Marc,

        I have degenerative Bone disease and I have had four surgeries in the past three years and have another one coming up soon. We’ve paid less than $10,000.00 out of packet. I sleep just fine knowing my health insurance company is on the job. I can deal with the post office losing my mail because I don’t have to use those idiots. But when it comes to the healthcare for my wife and me, I want to see something a lot less feckless than Uncle Sam. Name the last time the government has gotten anything right. Between the half witted cast of czars that King Barack would offer up to run his nightmare and the profit motivated private sector, I’ll follow the cash. If you’ve got anything rationally constructive to say I’d sure love to hear it. But the off handed sarcastic quip you offered doesn’t rise above the intellectual expectation of my 10 year old nephew. C’mon man, dig a little deeper.

  • cr747

    They,,
    the congress has let Obama get completely out of control.. He thinks he knows what he is doing by beating a horse that is already dead..
    This man claiming to be president of the US is no more capable of being president than Biden, or Pelosi.. Either of the three would ruin a good dream.. That’s exactly what we have got in the Whitehouse, and if we don’t put a stop to it we are doomed..

    We have all got to come together and quit bickering on who is right or who is wrong.. We can win this battle in the Whitehouse by voting out all the cronies.. Then when that is done we will have some leverage to work with to remove the top three people that think they are irreplaceable.. Get started now and lets let them know that we will not stand for what is going on.

    Get in touch with your Senators and Representatives now and let them know how you feel,, and tell them you are watching their every move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Steve

    Let’s vote all the politicians out of office this time, there is a couple I would like to see stay but basically all of them needs to go let us vote them out America,it doesen’t matter to me wheather they are Rebublicans or Demorcrats if they are not pushing what the CONSTITUTION OF AMERICA says down with the bums.I for one am sick and tired of Lawyers,Judges and Politicians who make thier own laws instead of what our rights are.Americans it is time to stand togather and take back our country.The reason the 10 commandments can’t be posted in publick is Politicians hate when it when they you shall not steal,Bear false witness and commit adultry.I love my country and my freedom if some of you out there don’t like it go to some other country and live.

  • Meteorlady

    I watched 2-1/2 BORING hours of the debate – if you want to call it a debate. The Democrats and Republicans were to have equal time. Nice gesture, but each time a Republican talked a point, Obama argued the point then turned it over to a Democrat to also argue the point. So, equal time turned out to be triple for the Democrats after Obama quit talking.

    He is not a leader. Leaders help people reach consensus. Instead he came across at petty, boring and really condescending and arrogant. He is a control person and did not take the time to even try and get the two sides together – he just rattled on endlessly defending his plan.

    The Republicans at least came with facts and figures and have some very valid arguments about both plans. I never heard Obama or the Democrats once defend their plan with facts and figures. All they did was dispute the CBO’s facts and figures as presented by the Republicans and talk about all the “poor” citizens that needed this health care plan. There was not substance to the Democrat stance, no real facts and figures presented, and it was obvious that they never intended to waiver from their plan.

    So much for a strong leader, working together, and reaching an agreement.

    • usmadgirl

      Amen, Meteorlady!

      He had no intention of having input from the Republicans. They looked so smart, well-prepared & well-informed. O-dumbo looked like the arrogant, narcissistic smart a$$ he truly is & his cohorts looked like a bunch of unprepared goofy goobers!

      I don’t care for McCain (even tho I had to vote for him as the lesser of 2 weasels) but I respect his military service. When McCain reminded O-dumbo of his campaign promises, & I said this on another topic, how much do you bet O-dumbo practiced in the mirror & prayed to Allah for the opportunity to say, “John, we’re not campaigning anymore, the election is over” or “I don’t count MY time, because I’m the president”? As if, not only to rub it in McCain’s face, but also to say “the campaign is over, I won so I don’t have to keep those promises. They were just more lies to get get elected so we can pursue our evil agenda so you need to sit down & shut up”!

      I’ve encountered a LOT of arrogant men in my life, but this one (& his progressive thugs) is beyond my wildest imagination!

  • Bill G.

    How about this. Think of Obama’s push for ObamaCare as a sort of Pickett’s second charge at Gettysburg. They’re hitting the Angle and hoping to break through. Then it’s clear sailing all the way to the capital. Two differences between the charges: 1. The Confederates were slaveowners, Obama’s people are would-be slaveowners, and 2. The Confederate grunts were for the most part honorable people fighting for a dishonorable cause, and these Obamiacs have no claim to honor…

    • http://grockit.smugmug.com/ MIchael A. Beck

      Hi Bill

      Your accurate point notwithstanding, the thing I hate most of all is when Obama uses MY name to bolster HIS point by saying, “the American People have said that they want this bill” or “the American people don’t care about the process of the Senate, they just want a vote.” Have you ever noticed that he never refers to polling data to back up those claims? He just puts his bovine byproduct out there and expects that we’re stupid enough to just lap it up simply because it is carried on the “majesty” of his voice. I’ve had all I can take being called a moron by this guy. He works for me and he has shown that he doesn’t have the intelligence of a bag of cat litter by the way he has gotten pounded every time he’s taken the field and still hasn’t changed his game plan. You want to know how we could raise enough money to retire the national debt? We could hold a raffle for the opportunity to drag his magesty by the ears out to the curb on January 20, 2012 in accordance with the 20th amendment of the U. S Constitution (which he swore to uphold and then set about to destroy). I’d buy at ten tickets at any price.

      • usmadgirl

        Michael A. Beck,

        Any kin to my hero, Glenn?

        You’re exactly right about not being as intelligent as a bag of cat litter. At least my cats’ litter soaks up pee, poop & the odor! Oh, wait, he has soaked up the poop & the stench of Rev. Wright, Communits Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, Andy Stearn, Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Cass Sunstein, Mark Lloyd, Mao, Marx, Saul Alinsky, Cloward & Piven & on & on!

        • usmadgirl

          Correction “Communists” for the “typo police”

  • DaveH

    Argentina in the early 1900s was among the 10 richest countries in the world. It is now ranked about 30th. It has had inflation rates which averaged 220% between 1975 and 1988, and got as high as 5000% in 1989.
    What happened? Big Government is what.
    Look at their Economic Freedom Ranking to get a clue:
    http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

  • Scooter

    The only solution is to say no. No to career politicians. Do not vote for any incumbents in either party. Get them all out-they have lost contact with the people and live in an unreal world. Say no to lobbyist. Say no to corporate money in politics. Say no to lifetime government appointments. Say no to taxes greater than 10% of your income. Say no to any law that infringes upon the Constitution and your personal liberties. Say no to greed. Say yes to term limits. Say yes to less government. Mostly, just say No.

  • remmy

    I,m loving this i wish all American can log in to this, and really see how self centered the republicans are. why do you repuilicans have such a short memory span, did you forget that a little over a year ago we were lossing jobs at an average of 500000 a month hmmm i wounder who was in charge then. I,m very glad my beloved president, and lets not forget your president OBAMA , stopped the bleeding and now the job lost is averaging about 35000 a month. ooooh in case if you forget my self centered and blind folded repubilican firends electing Obama the president of the United States of America is one of the best decisions American voters made in 2009. The repubilican party have alway been “no to everthing party” when ever they are minority .I,m not suprised that they would hold this country to stand still and watch millions of Americans lose thier jobs and healthcare while they are happy scoring political points. Well my friends my life and millions of America peoples life is not about scoring political point is about helping to solve the problems we have today. so that our groundchildren do not have to face them. And been mr no to everything is not the way to do it. Do you repubilicans remember saying no to everything president Clinton proposed, including the budget democrats passed without a single repubilican vote. That budget pass created millions of jobs to american people and also created the surplus you guys embezzled once you get into office. This health care will be just like that and you repubilican will do what you do best claim creat to the idea which you once opposed. sounds familiar. You guys claim to love of this country makes me sick, how can you hate what you love hmmm thats something to think about. so guys, we have president Obama for three more years and after that American people who decided the last election will decide it again. so stop crying Amertican people knows stinking rat when they see one. Remember Continuous emprovement leads to perfection and Continuous oppossition leads to failure to yourself and to your country.

    • JC

      And a continuous movement toward thieving socialist globalism leads to slavery and no economy. So you go ahead…I’ll try and catch up…in about a thousand years. So, don’t wait up.

    • Barb

      Good answer JC, but I’m afraid I’m going to have to lower my standards a bit here, down to Remmy’s level. What the hell you been putting in that bong man? What a rambling bunch of trash! I’m not sure where you get your recent history facts from or even your not so recent but I assure you they aren’t exactly accurate to say the least. But you are out there in LaLa Land obviously so I won’t waste any more time on you, besides being down in this gutter is uncomfortable. Yuck! When can we get some intelligent feed back from these people?????

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      REMMY, WOW, WELCOME TO THE OBAMA MESSIAH HOUR__HE DID ALL THIS IN A YEAR??_ AND IN THE THROES OF RUINING AMERICA TO BOOT___I’M GLAD THAT HOPEY CHANGY CRAP HE’S BEEN SELLIN’ IS WORKIN OUT FOR SOMEONE,SOMEWHERE,CAUSE FROM I STAND, I SEE THE COLORS BEGINNING TO FADE___

  • Dennis

    boys & Girls,
    ITS CALLED COMMUNISM. Thats the path we are being lead down.

    • Barb

      Progressiveism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism, all the same to me! AND I for one refuse to be led down that dark, dank,crooked, filthy, deadly, nightmarish path! I’ll take what we still are barely clinging to but will get back in full one day soon. Our beautiful country as it was and still is a free and great country!

      • Dennis

        I’m with you all the way Barb.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    I can not see how any lib, dem, or progressive socalist can defend the President, who claims to be a constituational professor, with the socalist agenda he is promoting? Most of the posts I’ve seen by lib dems all have veiws that are same redunant beleifs with Hilter, Stalin, Mao, and Marx. Either they don’t read or only revised history books, they anti Christany veiws are the one of the first things to go in a country bedore a dictator takes over, guns confisication is second, and the next is free speach. All strong planks of the democrat party in various strengths. Over the years several Senators and Representives have been in the communist or socalist party. Classic example is Professor then Senator Goerge McGovern. He was even against card check promoted by Ogagme and the democrat cotton cord string pullers leadership. Now you worshiping dems should go to a home schhol group and ach them to fetch you up to read history!!!! Because your hero and his thugs will have you picking shit with the chickens soon along with everyone else to survive.

  • John

    Thought you might find this interesting. MikeB

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    Michael Stafford

    Omments »
    The Obama Eligibility Question Lives On
    March 3rd, 2010
    By Paul R. Hollrah, O.E.
    Beyond surviving the current political madness in Washington, the American people have no greater task ahead than to insure themselves that another Barack Hussein Obama can never again hold political power in our country.
    When the Founding Fathers met in Philadelphia in September 1787 to sign the final draft of the U.S. Constitution, the physical scars of the War of Independence from Great Britain were still visible all around them and a deep-seated animosity toward all things British colored every aspect of their daily lives. So is it even remotely conceivable that just five years and eleven months after the British surrendered at Yorktown, the Founders would have presented to the states for ratification a Constitution that would allow an individual with divided loyalties – e.g., an individual with dual US-British citizenship – to serve as president or vice president of the United States? It is not, and they did not.
    In order to forestall that eventuality the Framers included a provision…Article II, Section 4…requiring that candidates for president and vice president be at least thirty five years of age, that they have been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years, and that they be natural born U.S. Citizens, owing allegiance to no foreign power because of the circumstances of birth.
    Expressing the prevailing concerns of the time, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers,
    “These most deadly adversaries of republican government (cabal, intrigue, etc.) might actually have expected to make their approach from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?”
    In recent columns we have discussed the controlling legal authority, under U.S., British, and Kenyan law, necessary to determine Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
    If we can agree that Obama’s father, a citizen of Kenya, then a British colony, was a British subject at the time of his birth, a fact that Obama himself has attested to on numerous occasions, it is evident that, under Part 2, Section 5[1] of the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was born with automatic British citizenship “by decent” from his father. Thus, it is an inescapable fact that Obama held dual US-British citizenship from the date of his birth, August 4, 1961, until December 12, 1963, the day that Kenya won its independence from Great Britain.
    However, Article VI, Section 87[3](2) of the Kenyan Constitution states that “Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (Obama Jr.), or a British protected person, shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.”
    Therefore, setting aside the possibility that Obama may have acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian Lolo Soetoro and moved to Jakarta in 1967, it is clear that Obama held dual US-Kenyan citizenship from December 12, 1963, the date of Kenyan independence, until at least his 21st birthday on August 4, 1982, when he claims to have been a student at Columbia University in New York.
    In either event, Barack Obama is clearly not a “natural born” U.S. Citizens and is, therefore, ineligible to serve in the office he occupies. So how did we manage to get ourselves into this mess? Three successive systemic failures combined to provide us with a usurper president.
    The first failure occurred in Denver, Colorado during the last week of August 2008 when Democrats met to nominate candidates for president and vice president. The delegates to that convention had an obligation to put before the American people fully qualified candidates for our nation’s two highest offices. They did not live up to that responsibility. Instead, they certified to the states a candidate for president who was, and is, ineligible to serve in that office.
    The second failure occurred on December 15, 2008 when the Electoral College met to elect a president and vice president. In Federalist Paper No. 68, Alexander Hamilton referred to the “investigation” necessary to the selection of a president and vice president. In describing the duties of the Electoral College, he said, “A small number of persons, selected by their fellow citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to so complicated an investigation.”
    Although the Democratic members of the 2008 Electoral College were forewarned that Obama may not possess the necessary qualifications, they were apparently so anxious to regain control of the White House that they simply ignored their constitutional obligation to select a candidate who was fully qualified to serve.
    The third and final failure occurred on January 8, 2009 when the Congress met in joint session to certify the vote of the Electoral College. As the final and failsafe step in the electoral process, the Congress had the duty to insure themselves of the qualifications of Barack Obama and Joe Biden…which they failed to do.
    So where does this leave us? Obama Kool-Ade drinkers, and Democrats in general, are blithely dismissive. Their view is that the people have spoken; they went to the polls and voted, so that’s it…leave it alone. Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution be damned. But that cannot be the case.
    In a December 8, 2008 discussion of the congressional certification process, Dr. Edwin Viera, Jr., Ph.D., J.D., a leading authority on the Constitution, argues that, “…the question of Obama’s eligibility vel non is not within the discretion of Congress to skirt or decide as its Members may deem politically or personally expedient.
    “Even by unanimous vote, Congress cannot constitutionally dispense with the requirement that Obama must be ‘a natural born Citizen,’ by simply assuming that he is such, or by accepting something other than what lawyers call ‘the best evidence.’ ” (e.g. Obama’s published certificate of live birth, versus a certified Hawaiian birth certificate)
    Dr. Viera argues that, if no objection is made on the basis that Obama is not a natural born citizen (in which case an Elector cannot constitutionally vote for him)…the matter cannot be said to have been settled to a “constitutional sufficiency (emphasis added),” because Congress has no power to simply waive the Constitution’s eligibility requirement…
    This leaves us with the question, if the Congress acts irresponsibly, indifferently, or not at all, is the issue foreclosed forever? Not at all. Instead, Dr. Viera suggests that the time will come when the Justice Department will attempt to enforce, through criminal prosecutions, some of the controversial legislation that the new Congress will enact and Obama will sign into law. Then, “as a matter of undeniable constitutional right and practical necessity,” a class of litigants with absolute standing will come into existence.
    With Obama occupying the Oval Office, that day has already arrived. We need only to await the courageous individual(s) who will stand on principle, demanding that the laws they are required to obey were signed into law by a president eligible to do so…that they are, in fact, the law of the land.
    Above all, the American people must understand what it means to simply ignore Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution…for no better reason than that it would be incredibly messy to remove Obama at this late date. For one to take that position, one must then also be willing to cavalierly set aside other provisions of the Constitution, such as the 1st Amendment rights to religious freedom, free speech, a free press, and the freedom of assembly; the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms; the 4th Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure; the 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination; and the 7th Amendment right to trial by jury.
    Are we to question citizenship rights for African Americans under the 14th Amendment, black voting rights under the 15th Amendment, women’s voting rights under the 19th Amendment, or the eighteen-year-old vote under the 26th Amendment? And how about presidential election voting rights for District of Columbia residents, guaranteed under the 23rd Amendment?
    It is safe to assume that, among these latter groups…blacks, women, 18-20 year-olds, and DC residents…there are a substantial number of Obama voters. Are they truly serious about simply ignoring Article II, Section 4, while demanding that we hold fast to everything else in the Constitution? Would they have their cake and eat it too?
    The United States Constitution means exactly what it says…nothing more, nothing less…and if we expect to reap the benefits of its many rights and freedoms we cannot allow the document to be selectively enforced. Stay tuned, America.

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    • JC

      B-HO is a fraud. No question.

    • American Citizen

      This has always been my argument, the even if he was born in Hawaii, he is also a citizen of Britain due to his father’s citizenship.

  • Dennis

    The fake healthcare summit was merely a side show to munipulate people in believing that he is trying to bring the republicans on board and working with them. Just like now, trying to keep everyone focused on healthcare while they try working on the ammnesty crap next week. Just like having the terrorist trials in New York, it was all a set-up. First it was take our attention off of what they were working on that same day on Capitol Hill AND also to use as a bargaining tool to close Gitmo down.
    There is a professor that had worked with The Great “self proclaimed” professor B.O. at Columbia U, and he said that Mr. B.O. was NOT a professor but merely a part-time lecturer. He also mentioned that B.O. was hell bent on his socialism ideas and did NOT like to associate with anyone who disagreed with him.
    This man is paralizing America, the economy, and jobs with dragging the H.C. on and it is totally on purpose!
    It’s the Marxist way.
    We have got to UN-BRAINWASH our children and we must do it NOW!!!
    How does everyone feel about $7.00 a gallon for fuel?
    What a way to crush the job market and increase crime!

  • http://mbuttonsnbows@aol.com Mildred Trueblood

    I can’t believe any member of the white house or any congress could go along with his stupid Ideals for our country, I think it is time we took our country back and get back to what this country stands for we should stop those that don’t want god as our guide we were a christian nation from the start of our country and people come and tries to take everything we believe in. I say it’s time for those people that don’t like our country to go some where else and leave this country alone.we are the USA and it is time we act like it. thank for the chance to commit on this it is time we stand up for our country. Mildred and William Trueblood

    • Jana

      Mildred, the reason the people in the White House are going along with our Socialistic Pres. is because he has surrounded himself with communists and other Socialists, as well as those who used to practice blowing up buildings and are sorry they didn’t do more. It seems like we have a bunch of people in Congress who are supposed to represent us, but instead have decided that they know better than us and now have decided its their job to RULE us. This is not called freedom, its called dictatorship and Communism.

      • Barb

        Amen Jana, But Mildred is right we must stand up and fight now and stop looking the other way. It’s time for the silent majority to really show just what a majority can do, starting in May 2010 and finishing in November. And we have to continue to be loud and annoying from here on out till those pompous asses finally realize what they are dealing with and finally listen or else! AND there is an or else!

      • Dennis

        We are at WAR with Communism and the sooner every red-blooded American realizes this, the safer we will be.
        Communism has infiltrated every conceivable sphere of activity: youth groups; radio, television, and motion picture industries; church, school, educational and cultural groups; the press; national minority groups and civil and political groups.
        We cannot defeat Communism with Socialism, nor with secularism, nor with pacificism, nor with appeasement or accommodation… a “soft” attitude toward communism can destroy us.
        Its time for this Country to get LOUD.

        • Barb

          Dennis,
          I’m with you all the way too! It’s high time for the silent majority to speak up, stand up, and stomp on if necessary! I just heard Obama is trying for a vote this Thursday March 11! Call, email, write, gather in the streets do whatever you can to stop these animals! If they win this Obamacare mess we may never recover folks!

          • DaveH

            It will be their Waterloo, if they do pass the bill.

  • liz

    It will be interesting to hear the howls and moans from so many of the supporters of this health care bill who will be paying for health care 4 years in advance of recieving it.(esp. young libs who would choose not to pay for health insurance in favor of other life choices)

  • Dennis

    What is C O M M U N I S M ?

    Communism is a disease of the intellect. It promises universal brotherhood, peace and prosperity to lure humanitarians and idealists into participating in a conspiracy which gains power through deceit and deception and stays in power with brute force.
    Communism promises Utopia. It has delivered mass starvation, poverty, and police state terror to its own people and promoted world-wide strife and hatred by pitting race against race, class against class, and religion against religion. Treason, terror, torture, and Moscow-directed wars of “national liberation” spread communist “brotherhood, peace and social justice” around the world.
    Communism is frequently described as a philosophy – but it is not a philosophy in which intellectually honest men can believe for long. It is a conspiracy in which hate-driven men participate.

  • Barb

    Hey Guys! Wanna have some fun? I just found via Newsmax that his majesty himself has a grass roots organization going on online! Talk about indoctrination! Anyway it’s called Organizing For America, isn’t that a hoot? Get on and read some of their crap and HIS! Can you believe this guy? Actually it is very chilling what these sheep are saying.

    • American Citizen

      I read that article, too, and you forgot to say that the DNC is behind it.

  • Barb

    Addendum to the above: This is what I mean by the most polarizing president ever! I can’t believe a leader of the greatest country in the world could possibly have time for this, but this is how the brainwash I guess! Talk about stooping down to low depths, omigosh! You really need to Google this site!

    • TIME

      Barb,
      Saddly its the kids that eat this load of crap that Barry toss’s out like candy. The end result is not going to be pretty. As far as the United States of America goes, its almost no longer.

      To address a stupid comment from Phil, no we don’t think there will ever be a 40′s or 50′s again most of us know that. But we will be going back to the stone age.

      There will be SLAVES, and there will be MASTERS of SLAVES.

      Hey the good news Phil you will not need to worrie about it.
      Your type are rounded up and removed first just like in Russia, China, Cuba, and lets not forget Germany.

      Its the same story time after time.

      Man lives in chains, he breaks the chains of bondage, only to return to them. Or as Forest Gump said, Stupid is as stupid does.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    This “health care ‘bill’” is a complete farse. No intelligent person wants THIS kind of health care. This ‘modern’ drug company/MD controled monopoly of “health care” is a smokescreen as they put in place a far more sinister plan. Codex Alimentaris is a UN, international law that will take every healing herb and essential vitamin of the shelves WORLDWIDE. No more Vit. C, no more Vit. E (being debated currently in Congress), no more natural progesterone. Experts expect millions to die within the first 3 years due to beri-beri and scurvy and such stuff.
    LISTEN, NO ONE SEEMS TO BE GETTING IT, THERE GOAL IS TO KILL US OFF. JOIN A TEAPARTY IF YOU LIKE, BUT IF FREEDOM IS ESSENTIAL TO YOUR EXISTENCE THEN NO MAN OR WOMEN GIVES IT UP WITHOUT A FIGHT TO THE DEATH. THIS IS OUR GOVERNMENT, we either take it out, or it will take us out. PLEASE, PLEASE, consider the consequences. Your daugthers used as “comfort therapy” (The Chinese army needs women and there aren’t nearly enough in China), your sons (already dying from DU and killer vaccines), used for medical experiments or cannon fodder. Is this what we have paid the price, WWI, WWII, KOREA, VIETNAM, to cower in our hovels eating inflated food that we can’t even afford. People stand your ground, “one hour of glorious life is worth an age without a name!” O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave on the land of the FREE, and the home of the BRAVE. God wants warriors, there is a battle finale that he is going to win. Potus and his acolytes are turkeys at best, toads at worst, they will never be part of the eternity, but bravery will be there and even the very angels will be flying our colours.

    • http://grockit.smugmug.com/ MIchael A. Beck

      Hi Annie,

      I would submit that the bill is not a farce based on the fact that the [Webster's] dictionary describes the word as a ridiculous or empty show or a light dramatic composition marked by broadly satirical comedy and improbable plot. I know that I sound like I am marginalizing your view point by splitting hair. But these hairs are worth splitting.

      There is nothing farcical, comical or satirical about this bill. They’re not putting on a show, they’re waging all out war. I would also suggest that they are not trying to kill us off; they’re trying to control every aspect of our lives. What they are trying to kill is the constitution. That being said, there is no question that as the resultant failure of health care quality in our country takes place, there is no question that people will die in the process.

      The other thing that we know is that the left won’t care until it is members of their families who are lying in the morgue. But not to worry, they’ll always have “W” to blame.

      All of that being said, I whole heartedly agree that everyone has to get up and get involved. I have done it and it has given me a whole new outlook.

  • American Citizen

    Received an e-mail this morning about Obamacare. It seems another official, Judge Kitmith (sp) has read the bill and determined that the government will decide if you live or die. It will require the hiring of another 150,000 more bureaucrats to administer it. Don’tcha just love it?

    • American Citizen

      Just checked, his name is Judge Kithil.

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/georgiansociety/ Pat Fields

    It says a lot about the great lengths that the Marxie propaganda machine have achieved in transforming The People into Pavlovian salivators, when the first words that come to our minds in protest against this government healthcare boondoggle is argument over its effects and particulars in its scheme!

    It simply isn’t a Constitutionally authorized endeavor for Congress to even CONCEIVE of! Beginning and end of discussion! ALL else is diversion and prevarication.

  • Michael Peters

    Why can’t we all sue them for breach of contract and for non representation, each representitive and senator has a contract with their state when they put their hand on the Bible and swear an oath to God and country. Lets take away all of their retirements, benefits, perc’s and all bonuses.

  • Charlie Motsinger

    Impeachment proceedings should begin imediately, there ARE rules of ethics that must be followed. And anyone who votes for this bill has committed a crime against not only the American people but our Constitution. Also they are taking over the student loan program to reap the benefits to help pay for this fiasco. I say HANG EM HIGH !

  • Ken

    I can entertain sensible criticism, but this Right Wing rubbish is beyond the pall. I feel that if the American public do not want a Health Plan that includes ALL AMERICANS then they should remain with the second- and third-world countries without one. It’s their absolute right. They might wonder why every industrialized country has a Health Plan and why Americans spend more per person on health than all the others! Does that make their heads ache?

  • James Corbin

    I used to be a Democrat but not anymore. They didn’t listen to the American People. We cannot afford this debt and more government control. I can’t understand why they are taking from Medicare to create something else. They could have fixed what we had. No body will get in to see a doctor and the older people forget it!!!! It isn’t creating jobs either—-only government jobs for people to make sure that we, the people pay our taxes. LOL. Did you people hear what Obama’s new pastor said? He said the bible said to spread the wealth!!! The bible doesn’t say that at all. Obama just can’t get away from corrupt people! We are headed for destruction111 Thanks to Obama, Nancy,and Harry. Ididn’t include the Biden, he doesn’t know up from down. He is a puppet!!!!

  • Jim Keller

    We have just witness the most corrupt legistation in Obamacare Healthcare by Socialist Obama and his Chicago group of corrupt leaders ever to occur in our Federal Government. The American people need to realize this is the first major “change” Socialist Obama promised in his camapign. If unchecked this Nov. 2010 election to vote out all Socialist voting Democrats the country will be headed to a government run country like Chevez in Venezuela or like other Socialist leaders. The American people lost over 20 freedoms in the Nationalized Government run Obmacare Healthcare Bill. A call to all Americans to be reminded of this Socialist act by Ombamcare and get everyone out to vote the Socialist Dem’s out of office this Nov. 2010. We can save our freedoms and this country form Socialist takeover like our fore fathers did once before. VOTE – VOTE and get as many others as possible to vote out these Socialist Dem’s in November. Freedom will prevail to get our U. S. A. Government back to government by the people for the people! Act now through Nov. 2010 at every opportunity to get our message out for freedom and voting.

  • Paula Gutow

    Gee, for the Love of God!

    Knowledge is Power! Business doesn’t mix with politics!

    Read the Constitution! The Library of Congress has all .gov
    documents on line. It is also in pocket form at the bookstores.
    Read and learn all prior to 1900.

    This supposed “HC-bill is tax$ control” Did not anyone read it online! There is corruption and greed in both parties! Now lobbyists are getting excited they can make up to one million in salary!
    Since when does business, special interest groups, unions etc. speak for the taxpayers?

    • http://PersonalLibertyNews Neal

      Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

      The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.”

      “The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

      The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.

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