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Herman Cain: Banning Mosques Is ‘Not Discriminating’ Against Muslims

July 20, 2011 by  

Herman Cain: Banning Mosques Is ‘Not Discriminating’ Against Muslims

Herman Cain, a businessman seeking the Republican nod in the 2012 Presidential race, spoke out against a planned mosque Sunday. The CEO-turned-candidate said communities “have the right” to ban mosques, and to do so would not be “discriminating based upon (Muslims’) religion.”

In an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, Cain spoke about the planned construction of a mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn. Critics have said the group building the mosque is trying to impose Sharia law in the United States.

“Chris, let’s go back to the fundamental issue that the people are basically saying that they are objecting to. They are objecting to the fact that Islam is both religion and (a) set of laws, Sharia law. That’s the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it’s just about religious purposes,” Cain said in the interview.

When Wallace asked Cain whether a community could ban a mosque, Cain said: “Yes, they have the right to do that. That’s not discriminating based upon religion — against that particular religion. There is an aspect of them building that mosque that doesn’t get talked about. And the people in the community know what is it and they are talking about it.”

Wallace later asked whether Cain, as someone who had faced racial prejudice, was being discriminatory in being “willing to restrict people because of their religion.”

“I’m willing to take a harder look at people that might be terrorists. That’s what I’m saying. Look, I know that that there’s a peaceful group of Muslims in this country. God bless them and they are (free) to worship. I have no problem with that,” Cain said. “I have never discriminated against anybody because of their religion, their sex, or origin, or anything like that. I’m simply saying I owe it to the American people to be cautious because terrorists are trying to kill us. And so, yes, I’m going to err on the side of caution, rather than on the side of carelessness.”

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  • s c

    Cain has a point. If that point isn’t ‘comfy,’ that’s tough. If Muslims need more mosques, let them try their luck in Cuba. It’s not as though they can’t afford to fly to and from there for “religious” purposes.
    It would create jobs and let them have what they want at the same time. I’m sure Fidel would approve.

    • Jerry Owens

      This is the thing about Cain,He will do and say things that he thinks the average person wants to hear or see,and his opponents can’t say the same things.He will come off as Mr. do good but and there is always that but. He thinks if Obama made it into the white House,it should be a cake walk for him.

      • Freedom

        Jerry, The truth hurts. Get used to it. Herman Cain is telling the truth stright up, something that too many people do not like to hear.

        • Iris

          You are Correct. It is NOT a religion, it is a THEOCRACY…A GOVERNMENT BASED UPON RELIGION. We have a government that expressly forbids the government to have a religion..You know, the one that is always misquoted!

          • Kate8

            In America today we are not allowed, because of PC, to speak the truth. In order to make everyone feel fuzzy we have to sacrifice common sense.

            It’s good to hear someone tell it like it is. Islam is a danger to us. Muslims tell us they are here to conquer and install sharia. We should be talking about that.

      • Crystal

        That sounds so stupid. This is a businessman and obviously you have never listened to him. If you believe it to be a race thing, you’re as stupid as your comment.

      • USAF VET

        You really need to start checking on things before you start saying thing you know nothing about. Herman Cain is absolutly correct in what he is saying. Also I hope and pray that the people in Murfreesboro have the same understanding now about threats like this as they had when I was living there. It’s been 26 years since I left, but I hope they have the same faith in God and Country as when I was there.

      • vicky

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    • Freedom

      Islam is NOT A RELIGION. It is a political ideology (Sharia Law), that is cloaked (disguised) as a religion.

      • Stunned at sunset

        Freedom is correct. We need only study our history. During the great Muslim Conquest epic just after the crusades, Muslim leaders (politicians) declared war on everyone around them (Jihad) and those that were conquered were either “encouraged” to convert to Islam or taxed until they bled out of their ears! The one thing that only the more advanced history literature will detail is that they made Muslim “holy law” (what you guys are calling Sharia), the “Primary Rule of Recognition.” Now, everybody look up that phrase and see what it means. I am in agreement with those who are opposed to Muslim political intervention in the guise of “religion.” I’m not falling for it and neither should any of you.

        • professor

          “Taxed until they bled out their ears.”

          Sounds like what the muslim, currently occupying the White House, wants to do to Americans!

        • USAF VET

          Stunned, you need to go back and check your history one more time. Those who didn’t convert to Islam, were murdered. You had 2 choices either capitualte to their wishes or die, no in between, no leaving to go somewhere else. Either you became a muslim or you became a corpse. Not much of a choice.

      • Lost in Paradise

        I’am surprised you know the truth and are not afraid to speak it. Islam wants the world, and they now know how to get it.

    • The Other White Meat

      …as long as it’s not on “their corporate jets”.

  • Karolyn

    “Look, I know that that there’s a peaceful group of Muslims in this country. God bless them and they are (free) to worship. I have no problem with that,” Cain said.”

    Well, if they can’t build mosques, how can they properly worship!

    • Cecilio

      Proven pacific, Muslims can build as many mosques they need. The problem is building mosques first in order to bring in bomb-carrying Muslim terrorists. Cain is making a lot of common-sense commentaries the PC Americans fail to see. Waiting for the bombs to go off, is too little too late.

      • The Other White Meat

        Muslims where I used to work did it in the rest rooms. Evidently, there’s a loophole in the qran.

    • Bert Cundle

      Don’t they believe that God is in their Hart & Mind? The Place to worship: Is a place to show others. And for Unity… Unity, is Power & Defense!

      • denniso

        Cain is crassly trying to woo the rightwing christians,and looking like a fool doing it. He says it’s not just about religion,it’s the Sharia law that comes w/ it. How many times have we heard someone say,
        “our country was founded on Christianity and the ten commandments”?? So, Christian law is OK w/ Cain and the rightwingers,but another religion’s laws are not? We are supposed to have separation of church and state,and this is exactly why the founders were brilliant in that regard.

        We have had many Christian terrorists,most notably Tim McVeigh who burned to death 150 or so innocent little children…should we ban all Christian buildings as well? Maybe…

        • independant thinker

          To the best of my knowledge McVeigh never claimed to be a christian. The only place I have ever seen him refered to as a christian is from you, eddie, jovianus, etc.

          • eddie47d

            I.T.; Are you sure I.T. that I said McVeigh is or isn’t a Christian? Didn’t happen troll!

        • Lost in Paradise

          I’m currently 8000 miles from you and can smell your stench as if you were sitting next to me!!!!!!!!!

        • Brenda Choate

          Yes Denniso, this country was founded on the belief in “Freedom to worship as one chose”. There are many who worship freely the religion of their choice, but they do not attempt to change the whole of the country to their beliefs. The Mormon church practiced polygamy and was scorned by many for their beliefs. As a result of that outcry, the congress passed a law forbidding the practice. Islam is infiltrating our court system and demanding deference to the Sharia law. Sharia is not the law of the land, it is Constitutional law. It is those of like you, who refuse to see the danger of allowing Islamic law into our society. Can you immagine for one monent the chaos it suddendly we were subjected to Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, and other religious laws?

          • Another Voice

            Brenda, what about all of these so-called Christian churches that are trying to shove their brand of Christianity down everybody else’s throats? Their beliefs sound very much like Sharia law.

        • Brad

          denniso said this and I quote; “We are supposed to have separation of church and state,and this is exactly why the founders were brilliant in that regard”. Let me ask you one quick question, where in the constitution will we find this quote? In a nut shell congress shall make no law recoginzing a speciafic religion, and congress shall make no law restricting a persons right to religious freedom.

          Now we have Herman Cain whom is against a group of muslims who want to build a mosque and use Sharia law as their guiding religious law for them and others around them whom are non-muslims. Well, we live in a country built on the rule of law by man and not by the church, show me one law writen by the church. Sharia law does not trump US law no matter how you may want to slice it; muslims who want to live by the Quran and sharia law can pack their bags and go live in their country of origin and practice sharia there!!! If they forsake sharia law and accept the laws of the US, I have no problems with them practicing their religion.

        • Mac

          Christian Law is okay because it upholds the Constitution. Islam/Shariah Law is intrinsically Unconstitutional. Take a look at Saudi Arabia and tell me how much “freedom of religion” is in that country – or any other Muslim country. The only freedom in Islam is “Submission” to whatever the Imams say.

        • VirginKiller

          Seperation of church and state, not government and God. We are a government founded on the priciples of Jesus Christ. Bend it, warp it, wrap it what ever yet the fact will not change. Where does one find this writting that says we will have seperation of church and state? Sounds like the same old athiest mantra, straight out of Carl’s book. I have fought and killed jihadist, radicals or what ever title you will chose. They all had the same mind set, destroy the Christain. Either you are with us or you are against us, death to all that oppose our cause.

        • Crystal

          You’re talking about one person in comparison to “Sharia Law?” You’ve got to be kidding. Have you ever see what Sharia Law does to a nation. It has nothing to do with the Qur’an. It’s a distortion of what Nomads were not willing to give up.

        • USAF VET

          The thing about the muslim law is, they are trying to have their laws put into our system of laws, and Sharia law just doesn’t work with our system. And by the way, denniso, Timothy McVeah was not a Christian, and his bomb didn’t burn those people up, it blew them up. Some of the people who were in that building were never found.

        • vicky

          Muslims do not separate church and state. Why do you defend something you obviously do not understand?

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Miffy

          Back up a minute. Timothy McVeigh, while reprehensible, did not kill 150 children. Yes, there were children that were killed, but there were many more adults killed. Before making statements, you need to make sure you are correct. I lived in Oklahoma when the Murrah Building was destroyed.

    • Chuck

      Karolyn, Do you require a church to worship? I don’t … I can worship God at home, in my car, at the beach, on the ski slopes, at my friend’s home, or anywhere else I am. I can pray anywhere I am. I can get on my knees almost anywhere I am. And Muslims can get out their prayer mats and pray (which is worship) almost anywhere they are. Yes, both the church and the mosque serve the function of getting their respective believers together, but they are not necessary to worship. And yes, I do worship and pray at church every week. But I also do that wherever I am … because God is both glorious and omnipresent. To God be the glory!

      • Karolyn

        There are faiths that REQUIRE worship in a house of worship.

        • independant thinker

          name several.

        • zaq001

          Legally speaking, if they choose to build a religious facility, the local government has to approve said facility before it can be built. During this process, the local citizens have the right to voice their concern or support for said facility.If the citizens have an issue, they have every right to voice concern. And, the citizens have every right under law to attempt to stop it even if by the council approved it. Mr. Cain has never said that he would do anything unconstitutional to stop a mosque. He has never said that he didn’t support PEACEFUL muslims. He said that he felt that a community has the right to say NO to a mosque IF they feel that it’s going to bring Sharia law to the area. It is neither bigoted nor hateful.

          Before knocking Mr. Cain view point, you should review what our own government officials are saying and the testimony that is being put before the US Congress. It is both eye-opening and revealing:

          U.S. Army Lieutenant General (ret.) and former senior Defense Department official William Boykin has stated, “We need to remember that Islam is not a religion, but a totalitarian way of
          life with a religious component. Yet we protect the entire thing under the [F]irst [A]mendment. … Islam’s objective in America is to replace our Constitution with Sharia law.”

          from 2007 Congressional Testimony: “So far we have discovered and identified many of the nodes that are exercised by those who are attempting to radicalize others, the venues that forge the radicalization process venues such as universities, prisons, RELIGIOUS institutions, the internet, propaganda, leaders, and even rights of passage such as going to a training camp of some sort. These all have transformative effects. It certainly is the case that Adam Gadahn did, in fact, use some of those venues and we are aware of that.”

          from 2010 US Congressional Testimony: As we sit in the halls that make our laws, across from the other two branches of our Government that enforce and judge those laws, I want to remind you that for the violent Islamists, that concept–of a rule of law different than God’s Law–Sharia, is violently inconsistent with their own belief. There is no need but for Sharia, judged by the Ulema, and its basis is the Holy Quran.

          To fail to internalize this reality is to fail to understand the motivations of most of these warriors for God. It is also why, at the extreme, this is the battlefield of the mind, and as much an ideological battle for the definition of a global citizen as it is about which rule of law should be the rule of the land. Violent Islamists believe in only one interpretation of that concept. While they are not trying to change our Constitution or its foundation, so clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence–the concepts therein must, in their minds, be subservient to Sharia.

          This makes the challenge of this ideological war unique, one that mandates new learning by our own leadership and citizenship about a NEW ENEMY, by the need for the creation of new alliances, by new and clear clarification of goals, by clear knowledge between defensive actions and offensive actions, and in examining the physical and ideological borders of our own Nation as we provide for our citizen’s common defense, in this, yet another challenge to our revolutionary concepts that all men are created equal, under a rule of law, with the freedom to believe as their own judgment best guides

    • Lost in Paradise

      Who cares? They can figure that out. Rent an old factory building.

    • TIME

      K,
      Really that question is totally wacked.

      I walk in the woods with my dogs & horses when I pary. I don’t need a Temple, nor a house of worship of any kind. I am free in God natural world where all energy freely flows and there is no man made agenda’s that slip into focus.

      God speaks to those that open their “minds and hearts,” thus no groups are needed. In 61 years God has not failed me yet, thats saying a lot as every major turning point in my life I have asked for guidance and the guidance was dead on each time.

      • Karolyn

        TIME – As I stated above, there are faiths that require a coming together in a house of worship.

        • Mac

          Karolyn, I’ll repeat what someone else said: NAME a religion, any religion, that demands a building for proper worship.

          • Karolyn

            Under ordinary cercumstances, Jews are required to attend Temple and Catholics, church. The temple and the Catholic church are sacred. I was raised Catholic. Attendance at Sunday Mass is a requirement to be a good Catholic.

          • Karolyn

            circumstances

    • Chas

      All they should need to worship is the Koran, a prayer rug, and knowing which way is east. I don’t “need” a church to worship the one true God, they shouldn’t need a mosque to worship Lucif..ugh, I mean Allah either.

    • Palin12

      People on welfare should be spayed or neutered and forfeit the right to vote.

      • Karolyn

        Wow! I thought you espoused the Constitution. You sound more like a communist to me. China anyone?

        • Brad

          Karolyn,

          Palin12 was expressing an opinnion, by the way communist china does practice sterilization amoungst it’s population. It’s getting mighty hard having to feed 1.4 billion people.

          • Karolyn

            Yes, I WAS using China as an example of what Palin is advising.

        • Palin12

          only for welfare bums.

      • Bud Tugly

        My mother was a welfare case worker in New York. Some of her “clients” were indeed lazy by generations of the culture of ignorance and just ride on the dole. However there are also those who through a series of unfortunate circumstance have lost everything despite doing their best. I am proud that American society helps these people get back on their feet and can once again contribute to society.

        Many on welfare are truly incapable of functioning and these people need our help as well.

        A society can be truly judged by how it treats the least of its members.

        A harsh and unforgiving nature without compassion reflects poorly on all of us and becomes no one. Consider the philosophy of Jesus who was always ready tp extend a hand to even the worst among our species. That is why His teachings will endure until our species is no more.

        • professor

          Everything in “Moderation,” or America will become “extinct” from all that compassion!

      • Crystal

        What does that have to do with the topic at hand. In this recession my friend is an engineer who’s been out of work since January 2011. I don’t think he should be neutered. That’s just insane.

        Palin, better check out your relatives. One of them may have needed help in this economy.

    • DC/Tex

      A Masque is just a building, you do not need a building to worship. Our Friends meet all over the world in homes and worship Jesus.

      • eddie47d

        DC; Are you saying it is okay to ban Mosques? How about church’s since they aren’t needed to worship. It’s calming to worship at home yet it is nice to know our fellow travelers of Christ. The music,friendships,community services are all important to grow my religion and those I attend church with. I’m a Lutheran yet I admire the Jehovah Witnesses for their courage in practicing what the Bible teaches in going out into the world and spreading His message. I occasionally see a Christian praying in a restaurant but that is rare.We should be less afraid to express ourselves(pray)in public(Such as parks). Praying in public should not be a political statement but a personal reflection in our joy for Christ. I get tired of people who label all Muslims as terrorists and not allowing Mosques in very much against our freedoms. Hermann Cain would be a dangerous President for who would be next? Sharia Law could be another matter if it goes against our established laws. (women’s right,equality,abuse,Etc) I have no fear of American Muslims but they must be respectful of our laws such as the Bill of Rights.

    • Kate8

      karolyn – I agree with Bert. If they need a mosque to be able to “properly” worship, that doesn’t say much for their faith. If they want to gather, they can do it in their homes, the way many other faiths do, especially in places where they are not ALLOWED to build churches (like MUSLIM countries).

      There are many of us who worship God every day, but do not belong to a church. God is not contained in a building.

      I’m sick of Islam’s double standard. When they are the majority, they don’t allow other faiths AT ALL to exist. Yet they whine and whimper if Americans object to them building mosques all over OUR country, even TELLING US OUTRIGHT of their intent to dominate and subjugate us all to Islam.

      It’s about time they get to taste their own medicine.

    • professor

      Muslims can “pray properly” by going back to the Middle East. They can build their mosques, practice their Sharia Law, threaten infidels, and discriminate against Christians all they want…in their own land!

      Americans should not be obligated to admit “settlers” into their country! Especially when these “settlers” represent a National Risk! Muslims are not coming here to become Americans! Muslims are coming to promote their way of life, their Laws, and “Fly their flag over the White House.” The way things look, with “the muslim” pretending to be an American President….they have made some progress toward that goal!

    • http://RobertRinger Jim

      In the Middle East where they belong! Then they can blow each other up ! Just like they do evry day !

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Karolyn:
    Right on with your assessment. The Muslim have a right to build a mosque according to the first ammendment of the constitution. I may not agree with their religion but they should be able to worship god they way they want to. You know, as stated upteen times, i’m a conservative and follower of the constitution. However, what i’m seeing from my fellow “conservatives” is utter hypocracy. You people seem more like reactionaries. This is suppose to be a website that believes in liberty. If you people want to have these hateful views then post on Amren or David Duke’s organization, Stormfront.
    Sorry for my bluntness and rudeness but you have to call attitudes for what they are. Thanks!!

    • GRusling

      If you think “Sharia Law” is a religious movement, you have little if any understanding of religion. If a Mosque teaches the tenets of Sharia to its congregation it is a “political” organization, not a religion and it’s teachings are unconstitutional as an attempt to overthrow our constitutional form of government.

      All you need to do is look at those who are proposing to build the Mosque. If they and/or their organization teach “Sharia” it’s perfectly legitimate to deny them a permit to build, since their teaching is the antithesis of and inimical to a Constitutional Republic.

      Herman Cain is right, and it has nothing to do with religion…

      • apple-eater

        You are absolutely right. For those who feel “Sharia Law” is innocent and not a political program, you need to look at the condition in England where the Muslims have taken over the country. There are now 21 LARGE areas that the police and fire departments WILL NOT GO and, God forbid someone gets lost and goes into the areas as they don’t come out.

        “Sharia Law” is all about killing “non-believers” and any woman who makes the mistake of thinking she has any human rights. It is strictly a male society that not only uses and abuses women, but also teaches death to the infidel – any non-Muslim. That is a militant political organization. They use the mosque as the central warehouse for their military actions, training, and weapons storage NOT just for worship on Friday evening. They teach warfare and terrorism there and because the USA has opened its doors to all religions, they take advantage of the laws and use their mosque as terrorist camps.

        This makes them illegal and any organization that supports terrorism is subject to punitive treatment and permits are not issued for “politically correct” reasons. If a permit is issued, it is a license to kill all residents in the area and it is used to that means by every male Muslim that goes to that mosque. That makes it a terrorist camp and subject to military action to annialate all of its members.

        Don’t believe me, There are communities in Illinois that have let this happen and “sharia law” is now the law of the land and those who don’t go along with it live in fear for their lives.

        This man is the only politician who I have heard of so far who has the backbone to stand up and call a spade a spade. This is not discrimination, but standing up for freedom and the protection of our citizenry. I take my hat off to the man for being strong enough to tell the truth. Bush showed his ignorance when he called them just like everybody else. I really think he knew what they were but was afraid of the political fallout if he told the truth. I also feel that is why we have what we have in the White House, as there is no proof Obama is anything but a Muslim. He has been quoted as saying “If the going gets tough, I will stand with the Muslims.” Does this sound like anything but a Muslim talking to you???

      • Karolyn

        Islam is defined and accepted as a religion. Does Christianity not have laws? Does everybody abide by them? Not all Muslims adhere strictly to Sharia law, as a matter of fact I will go out on a limb to say that most of the Muslims in the US do not adhere strictly to Sharia law. If they did, we’d be hearing more about stonings and women being beaten to death.

        • Roger

          Maybe you should go out and marry an Islamic. My present wife was married to one for 22 years. I have seen how these people are, not just the ex but others connected with him. They are not trust worthy. They will smile while they’re cutting your throat. Come back in a few years and see if you still feel the same.

        • Lost in Paradise

          NO laws!Christianity is all about the word of God, and Jesus. Not all christians are perfect as none of are. Islam is using your small mind to conquer you and it will. Then you will learn “real fear”. It will also be too late. Study history, and follow the Muslim trail back in time. It is really an easy trail to follow, because it is strewn with blood and bodies. It is fools like you that will get us all killed. DO NOT compare christianity with Islam. That is really DUMB.

          • eddie47d

            Christianity is far more civil in 2011 than the Muslim culture yet Christians have had our trail of blood throughout the centuries.

          • Brad

            eddie47d,

            Yes christianity has had blood on their hands, but has cleaned up nicely over the last 700 year’s where as Islam has been killing since it’s inception up to today. Case in point Pakistani Taliban insurgents captured 12 or so Pakistani security forces in the tribal region of NW Pakistan. The taliban video’d the execution of the men claiming they violated the Quoran and sharia law for waging war against women and children. So, do you still call islam a religion of peace today because I don’t and never will.

          • eddie47d

            I replied to Brad and the “authorities” told me I posted too fast. That’s a new one on me. There is only one way to hit the submit comment button so what is up with that?

          • libertytrain

            While it’s easy to jump to “conspiracy” conclusions, generally when something that doesn’t normally occur during posting comments occurs, the odds are good that something is going on with the site like an error or work being done on it.

        • Morduin00

          I am curious as to what you are referring to as “Christian” laws. The Ten Commandments are not solely Christian as they predate Christ by several hundreds of years. Incidentally, you will find them in all of the books (bible, koran and torah) of the 3 major religions.

          The some laws of the United States do have a basis in judeo-christian values but there is a difference while other laws do not. However, there is a difference between having a basis in a value set and defining a value set. Sharia law defines the value set of the muslim religion. Where as the judeo-christian values were used to define some laws.

          Another fact to consider is that mandates of Christian churches only apply to their congregations, not society as a whole. Proponents of Sharia law want to impose it on everyone… no choice allowed.

          • Brad

            Well said my friend, hit the nail right on the head.

          • http://RobertRinger Jim

            Thats why ISLAM and,its fools that bought into that BS should practice it in the middle east.Before muslim season comes around !

        • TIME

          K,

          Really you would hear more about stoning etc. in the media?
          Hello, my God the media can’t get the weather striaght, and you think your going to get media coverage of what goes on in the Middle East?

          You can’t be serious.

          Here in this small town where we live, there are people being killed every month, and yet not word one about any of it in the media.
          I know whats going on only due to the contacts I have here otherwise I would not know anything that goes on here, to include the weather of what has not been correct ever!
          Of what BTW ~ Right now it says its 91*, with light clouds, –
          Well its really 103* with a real feel based on Humidity levels and lacking winds its really 113* its very overcast and about to rain!

    • ValDM

      Tony,
      If you think Murfreesboro needs another mosque, I suggest you google it & find out how many of them the muslims already have & how many more they NEED. In fact, I challenge you to actually find out how many the whole state of TN has. There’s a reason Islam has the other side of the coin dubbed “creeping Sharia”.

    • Maranatha_Mark

      Tony, you obviously don’t know what the thing that Herman is referring to when he spoke about, “There is an aspect of them building that mosque that doesn’t get talked about.” The aspect he is referring to is the fact that Islam (which Muslims are members of), is a ‘theocracy’, meaning that see government and religion as 2 sides of the same coin which is why they subscribe to Shariah Law, and their stated goal is to set up a world wide Caliphate, in which the whole world is forced to live under Shariah or die. I am not making this up, read a Quran and the Hadith. The other aspect of building a Mosque is the fact that to Muslims (Islam) building a Mosque is a statement of victory! It is like us planting a flag on Mt. Suribachi on Iwo Jima during WWII. Most times, they will come in and buy a old Christian church to convert to a mosque, which to a Muslim is like saying, “Muhammed is superior to Yeshua Hammashiach and Allah is the true god!” Ever heard of the “Cordoba project” that is what the Muslims called their plans to build the mosque at site of the World Trade Center? Do you know the significance of the name? During the Crusades, around 784 A.D. the Turks (Muslims) took control of the Cordoba, Spain Catholic Church, and converted it to a mosque to signify their victor over the Christians.

      When religion wants to worship their god(s), they are protected by the 1st Amendment, as long as they want to worship their god only, but when they want to subvert the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America by implementing their own laws by which they live, then they live the realm of pure religion and enter into the criteria for being a foreign invader or treasonous at the least, which takes them out from under the protection of the 1st Amendment. You can’t come into this country and use the 1st Amendment to set up your own laws at the exclusion of our Bill of Right, to live and operate by. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. If a Hindu temple was set up in Murphysboro, TN, or a Buddhist temple, there would be little problem, but when a theocracy type religion tries to move in, any sane person would resist the construction of a center of power. The mosques are where the Imams preach their hate and give marching orders to the zealouts (radicals).

      One last fact, the so-called “radicals” are not the ones trying to subvert Islam. The Quran is broken up into 2 sections just like our Bible, the Mecca verses (front half of the Quran) and the Medinah verses(last half). However unlike the Holy Bible in which the Old and New Testaments are non-contridictive and compliment one another, in the Quran there is the law of supercession, in which the Mecca verses are superseded by the Madinah verses, so when Mecca verses conflict with the Madinah verses, the Madinah verses is what they go by. The Mecca verses were Muhammad’s hippy days – Make love not war; Live and Let Live, but that was before Islam was rejected by the Jewish and Christian elders, and Muhammad moved to Madinah, which his attitude changed drastically, and he became a “Kill anyone who doesn’t convert to Islam” type… you know, what we call a “Radical”. Our liberal news media and most Muslims like to quote the Mecca verses as proof that Islam is a peaceful religion, and try to hide or ignore the Madinah verses. And in Islam, according to the Quran, it is expect all good Muslims do whatever it takes, including lying to infedels, to further the cause of Islam – which is making Islam the one world religion and governoring system (Shariah Law).

      Just thought you would like to know the TRUTH, Tony. And, Yes! Herman Cains was right and NO! he isn’t be anti-1st Amendment or a Hypocrite!!!

      Blessings and Shalom!

      • Karolyn

        How can you say the two books of the Bible are non-contradictive?

        • Maranatha_Mark

          Because they are “Non-Contridictive”, if you would bother to study the Whole Bible, you would find this out for yourself.

          • TML

            Contradiction: A combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that is mutually exclusive.

            1 John 4:8 – “…God is love”

            1 Corinthians 13:4 – “… Love is not jealous…”

            Exodus 20:5 – “… for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God…”

            2 SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

            I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

            James 1:13 – “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.”

            Genesis 22:1 – “And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham.”

            Apparently some of us have studied the bible much closer than you have.

          • Maranatha_Mark

            Excellent TML! You just can quote scripture… you don’t understand what you are quoting, but I applaud your ability to quote it!

            Let’s look at what you have offered up:

            Contradiction: A combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that is mutually exclusive.

            1 John 4:8 – “…God is love”

            1 Corinthians 13:4 – “… Love is not jealous…”

            Exodus 20:5 – “… for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God…”

            *******
            Since Old Hebrew has one and only one word for Love, which is ahav – Verb, and Ahava – noun, it becomes difficult without context to understand which of the 4 words the Greek Septuagint uses in translation. But looking at the context it appears that 1 Cor. is talking about a different meaning of the word ‘love’ than the one cited in John, and it is true that YHWH does not tolerate worshipping other gods or idols. Admittedly, I don’t have my copy of the Greek New Testament on hand, so I am having to pull this from memory.

            2 SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

            I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


            Not sure where your contridiction is in the last 2 verses. Often is the case that the Father allowed Satan to act on individuals as well as nations.

            James 1:13 – “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.”

            Genesis 22:1 – “And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham.”

            Nice! You hunted for translations to suit your needs with these 2 verses and ended up using the KJV but if you use the NKJV,NASB,21st Century KJV, all translate Gensis 22:1 as “tested” not tempted, but translates James 1:13 as ‘tempted’ as the KJV. Why did the translators see the need to change these translations? I guess I am not as smart as you are, but it seems like the meaning of what went on between Abraham and YHWH and what James was talking about didn’t quiet mean the same thing. This isn’t my first rodeo, and the fact that you are trying to use these verses tells me your who purpose in reading the Bible, is to try to trip folks up. Ha Ha Ha! Good Try! You delight in trying to trip folks (Christians) up, and that is kinda sad in a way, cause I know you will succeed in some cases. I apologize for not have the time to put more effort in my retorts to your efforts, but you’ll just have to forgive me.
            Apparently some of us have studied the bible much closer than you have.

          • TML

            “But looking at the context it appears that 1 Cor. is talking about a different meaning of the word ‘love’ than the one cited in John,”

            Of course it does… how else could you try and defend it than to come up with different meanings of the word love. Nice try… keep picking and choosing.

            “Not sure where your contridiction is in the last 2 verses. Often is the case that the Father allowed Satan to act on individuals as well as nations.”

            That’s your defense? LoL! So god sends in his fall guy to keep his hands clean? Lol … isn’t that the equivalent of a mob boss hiring a hit man?

            “Why did the translators see the need to change these translations? “

            Considering the contradiction, it makes ya wonder huh? Ah, you’re getting closer to the truth! Yay!

          • Kate8

            Maranatha_Mark – You offered a good explanation for the questions posed by TML, but you waste your time trying to expound on Scripture to anti-Christian liberals.

            The Bible also clearly states that those who read Scriptures without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit see it as so much foolishness. It is Spirit who opens the eyes and heart to understanding, as the Bible has many layers of Truth, much of the deeper meanings being veiled.

            I’m sure those who’ve made translations from Hebrew and Greek to English did the best they could at the time. It is only now that scholars are correcting some of the finer meanings of the original text to clarify some of the passages that have been misunderstood. And also, words tend to be altered in meaning over time, so that they don’t always mean exactly what they say. Even the original text was written using idioms of the time, so understanding the Bible takes much dedicated study and prayer.

          • TML

            Just so you know… I am as relentless against the Muslim as well.
            Like I’ve said… I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight till my dying breath to protect the right you have to say it.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Why do you characterize all liberals as “anti-Christian?” I certainly am not, and neither are most of the liberal posters here. (I know there is one who is totally anti-Christian.) My liberal friends are not anti-Christian. We just have different beliefs.

          • TML

            Let me make one more thing clear… I am not a liberal, I am not a republican, or any other label. If you wish to label me, then label me HUMAN… not humanist… just human.

            Thank you

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Where did I say that ALL liberals are anti-Christian? I said “anti-Christian liberals”, a distinct subset. If the shoe fits, wear it.

            TMR – You can resist labels if you wish. If it quacks like a duck…

          • TML

            LoL… then what are you labeling me? lol

            I’ve mostly been called a conservative republican, but but I guess everyone has their own ideas.

            Have fun

          • Kate8

            TML – You flatter yourself.

            You are just another Christian bashing, self-important pseudo-intellectual who doesn’t really interest me enough to try to figure you out.

            Have a nice day.

      • http://Personalliberty Tony

        To Maranatha Mark:
        I don’t know what your religious views are but from the way you ended
        your post it sounds like your Jewish. First, let me start would saying , as mentioned in my first post, i’m not a fan of the Muslims.
        Let’s face it, they practice slavery on women. They , even, have slave markets where women from Africa, the Philippines, even women from Europe especially from France and Ukraine are sold like chattel.
        In addition, Muslim nations have some of the worst human rights abuses
        on this planet. Good example, look what’s going on in the Darfur region of the Suda. Thus, the Muslim way of life is nothing to be desired. However, my point is, they should have the liberty to worship the way they want, as stated in the bill of rights. Furthermore, you have to be careful stereotyping Islam as a movement to take over the world. A person could say there’s a zionist/jewish plot to take over the world. If you read bizarre books such as “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, people would believe this. Of course, any level headed in dividual would dismiss this rubbish with a
        big laught. Yet, again, lets watch the claims about different peoples.
        I’ll leave off with the Voltairean principle, that’s, “i may not agree with what you say or believe, but, i defend your right to say it along with believe it.” That’s my approach when coming to Islamic thought. Thanks!!

        • http://Personalliberty Tony

          A correction, Sudan. Thanks!!

          • Maranatha_Mark

            Tony, I am not Jewish, I am a Messianite – A Messianic Gentile (follower of Yeshua Hammashiach), but many confuse me for Jewish, they are my Father’s Chosen People. I am only relaying what the Quran and Hidith teach here. Just as with Christianity, I am sure there are Muslims who are only “Muslim” by name only or who try to cherry-pick the parts of the Quran they profess to believe, just as there are those who claim to be Christians who cherry-pick parts of the Bible they want to follow and ignore the rest. In fact there are “Christian” denominations who elect to not teach any Old Testiment between the end Exodus and Malachi, but that doesn’t make them “Christian” in my humble opinion, as if they believe “the Word was with God, the Word was God…” and that Yeshua Hammashiach was the Word made flesh, then to reject any part of the Word, means they reject Yeshua, for the Word they spoke in John 1:1-3 was the whole of the Old Testament (the New Testament wasn’t written at the time). We can claim to be whatever we wish to, but it doesn’t make it so, what we are concerned about are the “Whole Book” (Whole Quran) Muslims, as they are the ones that radicalize. The trouble is, once you have the mosque built, no non-Muslims know what goes on behind closed doors, and many mosques are used to organize, plan and carry out terrorist activities. Once a school full of children are blown up, it is too late to do something then.

            That said, we can agree on your last statement, and I too, while not in agreement withh what you say, will defend your right to say it… provided you don’t endanger someone’s life.

          • Kate8

            Tony – There is a vast difference between the Rothschild Zionist movement based on the occult teachings you mentioned and God’s Holy People.

            The Zionists are not of the Jewish bloodline, but are actually edomites. They pervert Scripture and, in fact, are followers of Lucifer. They are of the line of Nimrod and the Nephilim.

            And Islam is mandated by the Koran to subjugate the world by force. If you study Islam’s movement throughout the nations, you see that they will talk of peace until their numbers are great enough, and then they go on a slaughtering rampage in order to set up dominion. Just look at what they did in Lebanon in recent decades: exactly that. And pay attention to what many Europeans are lamenting now, as Islam gains a stronghold.

            Our PC attitude toward Islam is nothing short of suicidal.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Excellent post, and thankyou.

    • Cecilio

      You do not agree with “their” religion but it seems that you do not know anything about it either. “Conservatives” like me dislike people who cloak behind our Constitution and claim benefits without shouldering any kind of responsibility. Too many Muslims dislike anything American, yet they come here and make claims under OUR Constitution. Now; how about you and all other defendants of Muslims go to the Middle-East and build Churches, Temples, Sinagoges and other non-Muslim, Judeo-Christian, houses of worship?

      • Karolyn

        ” Too many Muslims dislike anything American” That’s a pretty general statement.

        How many? Have you taken a survey of American Muslims? You would not even be aware that many of them are Muslims, they are so Americanized.

        • Chuck

          Karolyn, either you have blinders over YOUR eyes, or you are a Muslim yourself, or you are ignorantly believing those who are TRAINED to “lie to infidels”. Look up the life of the pedophile Muhammad. Learn about this man they revere. His favorite “bride” was less than ten years old, still playing with dolls! Muslims STILL have child brides to this day, all because their “prophet” did! Start learning the truth!

          • Karolyn

            The BOTTOM LINE is that there are different sects or groups within the Muslim RELIGION, and more of them are for living peacefully rather than “killing the infidel.” My niece married a Muslim last year. He and his whole family are wonderful people and good Americans (and a lot of fun to party with!). They do not adhere strictly to the edicts of Islam but do consider themselves Muslim.

          • Karolyn

            I might add it ‘s like Catholics who don’t go to church on Sunday, never receive communion and are divorced.

        • DC/Tex

          This must be the same Karolyn that is a proponent of teaching our children the Gay agenda in grade school in Califirnicate and has many good queer friends and now has many Muslim friends, sure is a suspect circle she resides in.

          • Karolyn

            My circle is the circle that is humanity and all the things of the earth. We are all one.

          • eddie47d

            I would never harm a gay person or a Muslim and will allow them to live their lives as they choose as long as they respect equality for all in America.They must show respect to my religion and my personal beliefs and I will respect theirs. Live and let live. I don’t know what DC/Tex would do because his statement makes me wonder what this person is capable of doing.

          • DC/Tex

            Eddie, I pray for these folks, I too believe they should worship as they wish and live a lifestyle they wish but do not come to the US and cram their customs, laws, and religion down our throats. The worst cancer on the morals of the US is the gay agenda and I will not be shut up about this evil agenda wanting to brag about this life style in our public schools. Have you seen there evil parades? All of us are sinners but most of us are not proud of it. Again I pray that they find and have a relationship with Jesus.

          • Brad

            Karolyn and eddie47d,

            Both of you can keep your gay and muslim friends, but rule the day when Islam rises up they will kill your gay friends and kill you or enslave you for life. What they preach behind closed doors doesn’t make it out out onto mainstreet.

          • eddie47d

            Bob Livingston: This is the second time I posted to Brad. Another screen came up again and said ” I was posting too quickly.Slow Down.” The other comment was at 4:01pm. Please explain ,for it looks like a form of censorship to me. Why would you post this comment and not the original?

          • TML

            “What they preach behind closed doors doesn’t make it out out onto mainstreet.”

            Then how would you know what that is I wonder, lol

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear eddie47d,

            You have been here long enough to know we don’t censor comments that follow our terms of use policy. There is a lot of maintenance going on behind the scenes on the site to accommodate the increased traffic and also some changes you will see in the next week or so. That maintenance has led to some glitches. I apologize, but I think the site will be better for it.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • eddie47d

            Thank you Bob Livingston for your gracious answer.

    • Freedom

      Islam is NOT A RELIGION. It is a political ideology (Sharia Law), that is cloaked (disguised) as a religion.

    • professor

      Tony is wrong. Since when do foreigners have a “Right” to come to our country when they are not compatible with our way of life, could represent a danger to our country, or OUR laws! Americans deserve to choose “who” is allowed in this country and who is not! There is NO obligation to allow foreigners all the “Rights” of American citizens…just because they demand them! What makes radicals think that this country MUST accept “anyone and everyone” that desires to be in our country!

      Every other country in the world reserves the “Right” to restrict “outlanders.” Many countries protect and preserve their way of life and their population by these restrictions! They will not admit foreigners that are disruptive, or are not compatible with their own Society…..as each country should be!!

      Our founding fathers never imagined that Constitutional Rights would automatically be given to any foreigner that set foot upon our land!

  • Bob

    Islam is not a religion per-say it is political movement to undermine our way of live in the west. Look at Europe for the past 30 years they have let these people into their countries to support there socialist lifestyle. So they brought in “guest workers”. The Europeans thought these people would become European in their life style but they can’t happen because if these Muslims did they would will be killed based on the teaching of Islam. So these Muslims have decided to change Europe and have demanded that their Hosts change to there way of life. Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!! The ruling class in our country are so PC that they are afraid to take any action because they will be called racist. Our Political hacks are selling our country down the river. Herman Cain is correct and we should ban all Mosques and this is a man who knows what discrimination is in his lifetime. Listen People.

  • Julius Lohr

    9/11 should have been a dramatic demonstration of how political correctness is completely ineffective and fostered unforgivable complacency toward a growing segment of the world’s population that openly wishes to exterminate us and all we stand for. Muslims clerics’ unbridled vitriol and open condemnation of us, combined with the “peaceful muslims’” deafening silence regarding jihad, is enough to arouse suspicion about the true intent of the occupants of ANY meeting place where indoctrination of politics, law and religion may occur (those that deny that possibility are too starry-eyed to realize we really need to be vigilant when a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION has a radical hierarchy that willingly professes suicide as part of their means to bring about our doom). I don’t confine my opinion to muslims only but I hear far less life-threatening rhetoric spewing from the tentacles of judeo-christian ideology and principles than the “destroy the west” islamic factions. Why aren’t the “peaceful” muslims making a greater effort to vocally separate themselves from those who have openly professed that our destruction is their ultimate goal. I agree that freedom of religion is a right to be protected but I believe the “peaceful” faction needs to make a greater effort to demonstrate their respect for the laws of America by denouncing the encroachment of Sharia law…..I give Cain credit for not ‘dancing around the issue’ with the oft-regurgitated platitudes of insincere political correctness and imparting how he truly feels. (since he’s not technically a politician I tend to believe he’s more through-thinking and rational in his analysis)

  • mary

    H. Cain is ignorant about governing. Religion is not a local issue,
    but a constitutional issue. We don’t need another african dictator in the white house.

    • Michial

      Speak of ignorance. The above comment by Mary speaks volumes of her intelligence challenged mind. There is always hope that she and others of her ilk will someday see the light and come out of the darkness.

    • Julius Lohr

      African Dictator?!?!?!??? Cain bears no resemblance to Idi Amin……….Maybe you should look at the policies of one Barack Hussein Obama if you want to use the term “African Dictator” (in the literal sense!)

      • mary

        that is what I mean no more african dictaors!
        we have obama now

      • mary

        I am not a fan of muslims. I don’t, think they should be living in this country due to their archaic beliefs. But denying ones constitutional rights is living in the dark ages

        • Julius Lohr

          Another generous helping of political correctness. No wonder America is rapidly coursing its way to becoming the sort of nation we’ve always subsidized. I don’t see why anyone in America should have to make special accommodations for a “religious” sect whose clerics openly challenge America’s (or Israel’s) right to exist. The more license we allow (with starry-eyed tolerance that ignores their tacit reaction to radicals carrying the standard of their religion at the front of global conquest) the more license they’ll take putting America on a perilous course. We shouldn’t have to fight a two-front war (both abroad and at home) to protect our way of life. For now I equate their lack of condemnation of radical islam to citizens of Nazi Germany standing idly by while the Hitler’s thugs perform every injustice known to man.

          • Kate8

            Julius – Prior to LBJ opening America to the third world, it was set up so that only those from countries compatible with our American culture could immigrate here. They also had to have sponsors and a way of sustaining themselves, so that they weren’t a burden to our people. Those who valued American ideals wanted to insure that we didn’t allow enemies to infiltrate our system, corrupt our youth and set about to overthrow our nation.

            The communist Left has worked hard at selling us multiculturalism (which Europe has now admitted is an abysmal failure). Now our gov’t recruits those who hate American values, and gives them billions in taxpayer dollars to come and take over our businesses and our cities. I believe that this has been intentional in order to weaken us to the point where we fall apart. Strength is in unity, not diversity, but they had to shove PC down our throats to convince us otherwise.

            As in Europe, Islam is becoming more and more of a threat. Karolyn notwithstanding, Islam is diametrically opposed to everything America ever stood for, and a nation built on a diversity of values cannot stand. If everyone isn’t playing by the same rules, there can be no cohesion. It’s just one more part of the path to chaos.

    • professor

      No matter what the religion, foreigners that are not compatible with the local community of “Americans” is a “local problem”… not a Constitutional one! Since when do foreigners automatically have all the right given to Americans! I think that is a bit of a stretch.
      The founders certainly did not mean that any bedouin crawling out of the desert, could come to our land and start making demands that they set up their “tents” in the town square. Just tell me whose “Rights” should have priority….those of real Americans or those that arrogantly demand that they “settle” an American community..when that does not want them!!

      Even Walmart stores have been thrown out of communities that didn’t want them!

  • Scott

    News flash: We’re at war, and we’re at war with Muslims. The only thing Muslims in this country should be concerned with building is trust from the American populace. Right now, there is no outrage in the muslim community for the terrorism, there is no public denouncement of Sharia law which flys in the face of all our civil rights. They are not welcome because of what has been demonstrated in the name of this religion. The Koran is a book of dominance and destruction. If the crusades were still taking place, I would not want a Catholic church in my neighborhood either! Cain is right on and not afraid to say it.

    • Karolyn

      We are NOT at war with all Muslims! We are at war with the Taliban and AlQuaeda and any other terrorist groups there might be. If this were Crusades time, you wouldn’t want a Catholic Church in your neighborhood? Why not? You would have to be a Muslim not to want one in your neighborhood!

      • Maranatha_Mark

        Ha Ha Ha! My, my! What a little defender of Islam, Karolyn is! LOL! Let’s see, “We are NOT at war with all Muslims! We are at war with the Taliban and AlQuaeda and any other terrorist groups there might be.” It’s called “sematics” hey, there Karolyn. We are not at war with all Muslims, OFFICIALLY, but what do the Taliban, Al’Quaeda, Hizbollah, Hamas, and the “any other terrorist group” have in common? Well, first off, they are ALL MUSLIM, and secondly, they believe in Shariah Law! So technically you are right to say we aren’t at war with all of Islam… yet, all the terrorist we are at war with, are Muslim (Islamic). But we aren’t really at war with all terrorist… we aren’t at war with the IRA and many other non-Muslim terrorist groups. Does that make you feel better, Karolyn? See we can all split hair when we want to Karolyn.

        • DC/Tex

          I am with you, Karolin is a fruitcake!

          • professor

            Her problem sounds like she has been “brain-washed” by the radical left…the “One World Order” advocates. There are a lot of people that have been seduced by the radical left, into repeating the “One World Order” rhetoric. Their small minds don’t even realize what they are saying,,,

      • Mac

        Karolyn, you must be about 18 years old, and know virtually nothing of history, to be making the statements you have made so far in this discussion.

        • Karolyn

          Mac – I am so glad I’m not 18! Rather, I am 64!

      • professor

        We have a lot of “muslim defenders” that are on the “public dole” They don’t work and are uneducated! Since they have little to do and live off other people’s money, their attitudes reflect their environment.

        Muslims are allowed four wives…they bring them all, plus “other family members” and immediately are signed onto Medicaid. One wife is designated, the others are “dependants.” All four of these muslims wives have as many muslim babies as they can….Of course, they are all supported by public welfare, paid by American taxpayers!

        Who made the decision that any foreigner that wants to come here can feed at the public trough! Why are we made to support the “enemies among us!” Seems to me that all they have to do is make kids and spend time building mosques and seeing that their kids attend madrases.

      • Julius Lohr

        I have NO problem with a mosque being established…….in a strip mall surrounded on either side by strip clubs, a meat market that specializes in bacon and pork run by gays, a ground school for prospective ‘one-way-trip pilots’, a synagogue and a lingerie/womens’ bikini store. Muzak should play an endless loop of Helen Reddy’s “I Am Woman” through the speakers atop the storefront walkway. See…..Tolerance does work!!

  • Jim Evans

    If you want to ban mosques because some of their beliefs teach Shira Law which does not always agree with our laws, then maybe we need to ban churches that teach that abortion should not be allowed because according to our constitution abortions are allowed.

    • DEL

      Jim. You need to read The Constitution. Abortion in not a constitutional right. However it does guaranty our right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. That’s right L I F E.

      • Chuck

        Thank you, Del, for correcting Jim Evans. The Constitution is the Law of our Land. Just because some Supreme Court judges misinterpreted (or re-interpreted) it, doesn’t make it so. Abortion TAKES AWAY the constitutional right of that unborn child to “Life”.

      • DC/Tex

        Good post, I bet Karolyn would say it is a womans choice to kill babies.

    • professor

      You want to make comparisons….

      Tell me the last time you saw a video of a Christian sawing off the head of a muslim…because Christianity demanded it!

      Tell me the last time you heard of Christians stoning a woman, wife, mother, daughter to death…because Christianity demanded it!

      Tell me the last time you heard a preacher tell his congregation that wives and daughters must be beaten….because Christianity demanded!

      Tell me the last time your church mutilated a child’s arm…because Christianity demanded it!

      • http://RobertRinger Jim

        I would have to look in my kuran i keep it next to my toilet,in case i run out of toilet paper !

  • s c

    Interesting angles, Scott. K and T seem to suffer from ‘take great care not to offend anyone for any reasonitis.’ Blah. I will never understand progressives. They almost make a case for abortion(s). The Muslims can have every one of them.

    • Lost in Paradise

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • TML

      That statement shows your ignorance.
      I don’t need a religioun to make a case against abortion in general. Indeed, women should not be able abort everytime they aren’t careful during sex… although I would not outlaw it for pregnancy that is a result of rape, or endangers the life of the mother.

      • professor

        “Abortion” is not the topic..

  • C130 Gunship

    Islam: Geopolitical ideology masquerading as a religion.

    • mark

      This was also true for centuries about a large component of Christianity. Christian missionaries preaching their faith, and the benefits of capitalism flooded Africa, Asia, and Latin America as part of the huge wave of 19th century and early 20th century Western imperialism. This included lots of American Protestant missionaries who poured into Puerto Rico, Cuba, Panama, Hawaii, Guam, the Philippines and China, determined to convert “the heathens” most of whom already had their own religious traditions and wanted nothing to do with Protestantism and Western-style capitalism which they saw as largely exploitative. These U.S. and British, French, and German Christian missionaries often accompanied the foreign occupying armies that took over these regions for Western nations and companies.

      • Chuck

        And here’s another false history narrative, Mark, right out of the communist-socialist-progressive playbook. It’s obvious you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ, or you would understand that each and every one of those missionaries that were true Christians themselves were bringing the kingdom of God to those natives. Jesus Himself said, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me.” Those natives were worshiping false gods and were doomed to hell. It is NOT true that all religions lead to God. If it were, then Jesus would be a liar. And He also would not have had to come down from heaven, living a life as a man (as both the “Son of Man” and “Son of God”), a sinless life, and then be made a sin offering for us by shedding His blood upon the cross, dying, then rising again three days later by the power of God. The Bible clearly tells us, “without blood, there is no remission of sins”, that is, there is no forgiveness of our sins, only eternal damnation. The Bible also tells us that “there is no other name under heaven by which men may be saved”. Those of us who repent and turn to Jesus as Savior and Lord, asking for forgiveness in His name, receive salvation and die to our old selves, we become new creations, “born again”, becoming sons and daughters of God, and we enter His kingdom now, receiving the fullness of His promise when we die to join the Lord. So I say, thank God for those missionaries and all the lives they saved!

      • Karolyn

        Yes, and how those poor “heathens” suffered. They went from being happy, free spirits to oppressed, poor, suffering human beings.

        • Chuck

          Karolyn, you obviously are not a Christian. Yes, many people are “happy” in their lives of sin, being “free spirits” as you say, but they are really living in rebellion against God. Since you are not Christian, it is easy for you to sympathize with them. As a Christian, I do not sympathize with them, I instead have compassion for them because they are doomed, if they do not repent and turn to God. I predict that someday your niece will tell you what it is really like to be married to this man. The ONLY way she can have a happy marriage is if he really ISN’T a Muslim, except in name only. If he is busy reading the Quran and going to Mosque, she will have an increasingly worse life.

        • DC/Tex

          Poor Karolyn! Be thankful that true Christians are praying for you and hoping that you can find and have a relationship with Jesus.

        • professor

          There are people that would be “dangerous” IF they had a brain!

          All those happy, poor people were living in squalor and dying of common diseases…Some worshipped idols! That nasty old “capitalism” built many of them cities, brought them modern medicine and hospitals, and taught them skills so that they could become prosperous economies.

          Yes….they had it so great before Christianity came calling!!

          Give me a break!

  • guest

    I like Cain..he is as different as night and day from obama. Muslim is not a religeon..it is a political system that american’s can not even begin to identify with. We over the year’s have enjoyed a diverse mix of american’s living in the usa..korean’s.italian’s.japanese..etc. They all came to this country and have adopted the langage..the custom’s and everything american while still enjoying their unique country origan’s BUT muslim’s do not assimulate..they demand You AS AN AMERICAN ADOPT THEIR BELEIF’S.How dare cair demand oklahoma’s ruling on the sharia law as unacceptable.These ppl. have moved into our country as victor’s!American’s are the most tolerate on earth yet when do we american’s say enough is enough and we will not tolerate those who not only refuse to tolerate our beleif’s but will violate our law’s and our person if we refuse to go along with their belief system’s.

    • Karolyn

      Definition of religion:

      –noun
      1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
      2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
      3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

    • DC/Tex

      Three cheers for Herman Cain, he speaks his mind and does not have to lie, and he does not have several social security numbers and a forged birth certificate. Look up antichrist in the dictionary and “O”ne “B”ig “A”ss “M”istake “A”merica ‘S picture would be one of them.

      • eddie47d

        Hermann Cain is a big defender of the Federal Reserves and they have too much power as it is.

        • Kate8

          eddie – I saw an interview with Cain, and he said that, although much is being made of his job with the Federal Reserve, he has no connection no any loyalty to them.

          He said it was a job, like any other.

          Can we take him at his word? Who knows.

          • C130 Gunship

            Kate8…..Many pedophiles claim to have repented, been cured, and that their evil deed is behind them………Would you knowingly let one babysit your children??????

  • just little ole me

    Our founding fathers struggled with this issue much as we do today. Other than we have a much more serious sect of Muslims who want to destroy what they call The Great Satan. There was a small war that we fought in the beginning of our country that dealt with a small sect of Muslims as well. I am sorry that I can’t remember exactly when or with who. Can anyone remember? This is an age old war and is not only a recent thing that many think it is. I believe the best thing to say is we support peaceful religions. Thankfully there are a great many Muslims who are peaceful and don’t try to impose their religion on us but remember there are those who want to destroy us. Instead of out rightly opposing them let us be smart and check into their intentions. What sect of Muslims want this mosque? Is it a symbol of conquering? Do they want to impose their laws on us? Do they respect our right to run our country with the constitution? If they are wanting any of these then it poses a threat to our countries safety and laws. I would then stand and say No way you will not build here? Our founding fathers never taught our country to be stupid. Many actions today the founding fathers would call STUPID and destructive. Let us use common sense and I believe Hermain Cane is using that. Trying to build the mosque in New York I am against since it seems to be a symbol of conquering to some Muslims.

    • ValDM

      Everyone wants to talk about the “peaceful” muslims……..ain’t no such animal. The ones you think are peaceful, are only ACTING peaceful, until the radical faction has taken enough to bring the “peaceful” members out of their sleeper cells. ALL muslims want ALL infidels DEAD. That’s the bottom line.

      • TML

        Does your Bible not teach you to kill homosexuals and ‘witches’, and the like? Did Christianity not kill these people relentlessly at one time when there was no seperation of church and state? Do you do these things? Nay… there are peaceful Muslims, just as there are peaceful Christians.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Mosaic law which was never really enforced to begin with(like all Mosaic law which has since been ignored),made homosexuality a crime punishable by death.Since Christ came that law is no longer in effect.The New teatament makes no provision for extermination of homosexuals.Rather…God,will deal with the individuals in question.As He will with all sinners.Some believe,some do not.You choose your own fate,God just does what He must.You choose to believe you are saved.you chosse not to you fast track yourself to hell.-CC.

          • TML

            Like I’ve never heard that argument before.

            I’m not about to get into a religious debate here, but um… check out Matthew 5:17-18

            Jesus says it still applies.

            Not to mention, according to your line of thinking… even the ten commandments would not apply any more.

            Keep appologizing. It’s nothing more than denial of truth.

          • Maranatha_Mark

            For someone not wanting to get into a religious discussion, TML sure is working hard to get into one. Matthew 5:17-18 is talking about the 10 Commandments, not so much the Mosaic Law, which really was designated to the Jews only. Homosexuality is still viewed as an abomination in the sight of YHWH, but the Messianite is not commanded to kill them, as we are not Jewish or under Mosaic Law. Rather we are commanded to Love our enemies as ourselves, by Yeshua Hammashiach, or that doesn’t do it for you how about Galatatians 2:19-21. Being the Biblical scholar you are, you are fully aware that the only reason for the Law (capital ‘L’ in ‘Law’ refers, if I remember correctly, to the 10 Commandments written by the Hand of YHWH, Himself, not the Mosaic where were inspired laws written by Moses for the Jewish people to follow), is to prove the need for a Savior, as no one can live the Law perfectly save for the only Begotten Son of YHWH, Yeshua Hammashiach.

          • TML

            If you want a religious debate, you might get more than you can handle. This isn’t my first rodeo.

            “..is talking about the 10 Commandments, not so much the Mosaic Law, which really was designated to the Jews only.”

            Please provide scripture to back up your claims. If you can not, then you are only speaking from your own appologetic bias.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Yes if you choose Mosaic law rather than Christ,then you are bound to it.Yes every word of the law is till in effect,if you choose the law and not grace.Keep in mind he was saying this to Jewish folks who only had the law.He had not yet made the sacrifice to absolve people from the effects of the law.That is where you tragically misunderstood what He was saying and who He was saying it to.If you choss the law then you are bound to it.That is the point He was making to the Jews,who followed some of the law,but did not follow ALL of the law.If they had then there would have been no need for Christ to die,as a perfect atonement for all.The law would have been sufficient.But since no one was capable of keeping the 600 or so Mosaic decrees,He had to be made into a one time works for all sacrifice.Wasnt Isaiah who said,”All fall short of the glory of God.
            Now you only fall short if you refuse His gift of Christ as your personal savior.Therefore rendering all the law bound into Christ.But you probably dont understand that unless you are a Christian,because you lack the one ingredient that will make it clear to you.-CC.

        • Chuck

          TML, I’m replying to both of your comments above. You may quote the Bible, but like many who do, you don’t seem to grasp the whole of it. First, I will not argue that wrongs have not been done in the name of Christianity. But I will argue that the majority of those committing those wrongs were actually Christians by name only, not people in relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Did Jesus condemn the woman caught in adultery? No, but He told her to “go and sin no more”. I am confident that He would have done the same had it been a homosexual act, but that was quite rare in that particular society.

          So let’s look at what Paul told the Corinthians: “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) That is the heart of God, and the heart of true Christians, the heart of true Christianity: that people, whether they are thieves or homosexuals or murderers, etc, repent and turn to the Living God, rather than continue in their sin and be damned forever.

          As far as the “separation of church and state”, that is an entirely false argument. It was written in a letter to a Pastor who was concerned that the United States would enact an official national religion (of whatever denomination). It is not in the Constitution, the Law of our Land (which mentions God several times), and it is not in any of the Bill of Rights. That letter was NOT about taking God out of the government, it was really about taking the government out of God’s business. That is an entirely different thing. The Supreme Court messed up on that one too. But let’s consider briefly what you get when you truly do take God out of government and out of people’s lives: you get Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Castro and Idi Amin and numerous other godless dictators and governments that mass killed their own (and other) people.

          • Maranatha_Mark

            Good answer Chuck! Oh yeah, concerning the Adultress, it was common practice in the day for the Pharisees to frequent prostitutes – thus commit adultry themselves. It was also Mosaic law that both the man and the woman caught committing adultry were stoned to death, and the person who caught them and accused them, was the first one to cast a stone at the adulterers, not the judge. It was also illegal for Jews to execute any criminals during the Roman occupation, so the plan was to get Yeshua to condemn and execute this adultrous woman, and if He didn’t, then they would expose Him for the fraud they believed He was, and take him out and execute Him. Trouble is, you can’t get one up on the Son of YHWH, and He knew what was in their hearts, and expertly turn it back on them, which is why they left in a huff. Since the only folks accusing the woman knew they were exposed, and left, by Mosaic law, without an accusor/witness there was no need to press the matter any more, thus “go and sin no more.” I thought it was an interesting side note.

          • DC/Tex

            Don’t forget “O”ne “B”ig “A”ss “M”istake “A”merica

          • TML

            “You may quote the Bible, but like many who do, you don’t seem to grasp the whole of it.”

            As you would assert to anyone who does not agree with you.

          • TML

            “As far as the “separation of church and state”, that is an entirely false argument.”

            Wrong… it’s called the first amendment.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

            THAT is a seperation of church and state, my friend.

    • professor

      There are no peaceful muslims!

  • Kathy Foster

    I will vote for Herman Cain, he is the only one that will beat Obama.

    • C130 Gunship

      Kathy Foster…..I respectfully disagree that Cain can beat Obama. Cain was totally lost in the salsa when he discussed the 1967 Israeli borders, didn’t have clue what it was-and admitted so. He is totally ignorant of the 2nd amendment as his comments reflected in an interview a month or so ago. The only thing that I’m aware of IMO that Cain can beat is pizza dough. It is becoming clearer to me as the days pass by that Herman isn’t a ‘deep dish’ but rather a ‘thin crust.’

      • Brenda Choate

        Like Obama had a clue! Hermann Cain may not know the borders of Isreal, but niether do a large percentage of Americans. What Mr. Cain has that Obama lacks is a willingness to recognize his limits and make corrections. Obama on the other hand is arrogrant and a firm believer in the socialits/communist dogma. Remember, Obama was and still is a community organizer. His chief duties involved bilking the public out of money for programs to “aid” the inner city of Chicago. He had no governing experience, no business experience, and surrounded himself with questionable “advisors” with a tendency to overlook paying taxes, ignore the Rule of Law, and circumvent the Constitution. Good choice there America.

        • C130 Gunship

          Brenda Choate…..Could you please provide an example of “What Mr. Cain has that Obama lacks is a willingness to recognize his limits and make corrections.???” I’m personally not aware of any but willing to listen to you if have an example. Don’t forget your hero is a previous member of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City in 1992 and served as its chairman from January 1995 to August 1996. And as if that’s not enough to make you think twice, how about Cain’s support for affirmative action programs, while he argues that he’s a conservative. Penny for your thoughts…………

      • Kate8

        So what if Cain didn’t know the borders of Israel. I’ll bet he knows the American borders, and how many states there are in the US.

        Obama knows and respects nothing about America. In fact, he sides with the Muslims on everything.

        • DC/Tex

          And, at least Cain is an American Christian!!

    • mary

      Black and jews will never vote for cain.

  • http://www.jamesjvalko.com Dreamtime

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishing of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

    If you don’t want Muslims in America then fight to have the immigration laws changed so that Muslims are not allowed in. Once they become “American citizens” they have every right to practice their religion, which includes building a Mosque.

    If you’d rather live in a country that discriminates against religion may I suggest Cuba.

    • Cecilio

      You are right Dreamtime. Congress can’t make no law as such, but States can. People living in those states can petition which religion is preferred by them and which ones they will allow or “tolerate”. Our Founding Fathers were smart enough. So much so than many of our recent crop of PC fear-mongers. Read your specific state Constitution, because the Federal Constitution (as ignored, abused and miss-used as it is today) only limits Congress and the President.

      • Dreamtime

        Cecilio–something tells me that state constitutions will have a rough time superseding the US Constitution in this case. I’m not pro-Muslim, nor anti-Muslim, but I am pro US Constitution. Religious tolerance is arguably the most important right, historically speaking, that has separated us from other countries. If we don’t allow Muslims a place of worship then why should we allow Jews, or Buddhists, or Hindus, or Baptists, etc, etc.? My take is I’m more interesting in preserving religious tolerance for EVERY religion than I am for being “safe” by stopping on religion.

      • TML

        I am all for States rights, but what you are saying is wrong. States can not pass laws that violate the U.S. Constitution. According to what you are saying, a state could just willy nilly make laws to outlaw and supress any religion. No! You need to rethink your position objectively.

        • Cawmun Cents

          So what you are saying is that,if a White Supremacist Church comes to your neighborhood,it is okay by you?They are free to excersise haterd in your hood?I have no problem with a Mosque in my neighborhood,but the minute they start yelling Allahu Ahkbar,and shooting at folks or blowing them up,my tolerance comes to an end….haw!-CC.

          • Karolyn

            A white supremacist church has as much right as any other. Though I don’t agree, I respect their rights.

          • TML

            I don’t agree with what they might teach, but as long as they do not actually physically, or financially, hurt anyone, then yes.

      • Karolyn

        “People living in those states can petition which religion is preferred by them and which ones they will allow or “tolerate”.”

        WHAT???????

        • eddie47d

          The citizens(very few) of Illinois drove the Mormons out of that state decades ago. They were an angry mob who used violence to stiffle another religion. In Ireland the Catholic Christians are still battling the Protestant Christians several years after they declared peace. Few humans are perfect and I do see alot of stones being thrown by the self righteous. Be kind to everyone and let God sort out those he doesn’t deem worthy.

          • TML

            Also… Illinois is a tyrannical state in which the state Supreme court ruled that citizens do not have the right to resist a police officer entering their home illegally.

          • DC/Tex

            Eddie, I am starting to see where you are coming from, you are either from Illinois or admire the state that has produced the Antichrist and his gang of Chicago crime mobsters in the Whitehouse surrounded by evil Nancy, greedy Harry, tax dodger Charlie, and the sucker Barny.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Since I live in Illinois–I will say this–I do not trust any politician–Republican or Democrat. These two parties are cut from the same cloth only they try to go about doing things “differently.” But when all is said and done, they have one goal in mind–themselves and their beloved party. This is exactly why America is in pathetic shape. Each and every administration has contibuted towards this fiasco for the past 50 or more years. They are all guilty of dishonesty in one way or another.

          • http://deleted Claire

            “contributed”

          • DC/Tex

            Claire, I’m with you vote Ron Paul, Libertarian at heart, pass the Fair Tax, term limits, cut their pay and make the state they represent pay their salary and pay their air fair as they jet set around the country, and put the money in their pension plan in social security and all of them past, present, and future draw social security like most hard working retirees.

  • http://Liberty BRP

    I think we should start giving the Muslim population a free ticket out of the country.Muslims ruled the world many years ago.It can happen again and is happening.Look up Muslim demographics video,Obsession you can’t make yhis stuff up.

  • AJ
  • jopa

    It is not a matter of to build a mosque or not.Most politicians today that don’t want to become forgotten just have to say something stupid.It’s like Madonna once said” good or bad all publicity is good”.Presidential candidates can mouth off many things a sitting president could not say.However they will have to change their tune if elected.Herman just wants to be on TV for now.

    • Maranatha_Mark

      Respectfully, you are wrong jopa. Herman is speaking from his heart here, and is the media who is truly frightened at the thought of a Cain Presidency, that is publizing this issue. Herman doesn’t say things to be provocative or shocking, he says what is in his heart, and the liberal media is shocked that anyone would dare to abandon politically correctness and tell the truth.

      • Karolyn

        You know his heart?

  • mark

    Right, Cain is correct banning mosques is not an act of religious discrimination. We should also ban the building of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues in various parts in the United States. Yeah right! Conservatives, libertarians, and progressives would go absolutely nuts over such a proposal – and with reason. This definitely shows the limitations of Cain as a potential national leader. But then again since he wants to openly violate the Constitution, this definitely qualifies him as presidential material like practically every president since George Washington.

    • Maranatha_Mark

      Mark, I think you are missing what Cain is saying, he is saying that the community has the right to say no, not the federal government. Ever hear of “zoning”, Chrisitian churches are routinely denied permits to build due to zoning issues, just as are bars, strip joints, industrial buildings, etc. So how do these municipalities legally deny someone from building a Christian Church building, where ever they want to? That little often overlooked 10th Amendment of the Constitution. Denying some group the permission to build a structure is NOT denying them from the right to worship, just the permission to build there! No, Herman isn’t advocating stepping on the Constitution or anyone’s rights as listed in the Bill of Rights of the United States of America, unlike our current president, who seems to make sport of ignoring our Constitution, our Bill of Rights and the laws of the land!

      • Maranatha_Mark

        Oops, I don’t want to confuse Mark, by saying the “10th Amendment of the Constitution..” Technically I should have said, ’10th Amendment to the Constitution’ or ’10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights’. I apologize for my grammatical malfeasance.

  • Norm

    Screw the First Amendment to the Constitution! C’mon Herman, your pretty pompous with other people’s rights.

  • http://verizon Mary Gaulden

    Thank you Mr. Cain for your wisdom and fortitude to speak up for America and Americans. I agree with you
    100% and feel you are the candidate with the leadership skills that America needs NOW to defend and protect AMERICA. GOD BLESS YOU.

  • TML

    No, you can not ban the building of a mosque any more than you can ban the building of a church. Hateful religion? Well, there are “Satanic” churches and teaching going on in America as well. Not a religion, but a political organization that teaches other sets of ideal? Could the same not be honestly said about Christianity? Do we not have Christians trying to close the gap on the seperation of church and state? Personally, I see all religions as potential threats to the true ideals of our nation. But just because I don’t agree with what you say, doesn’t mean I would not fight till my dying breath to protect your right to say it. This is nothing more than a ‘war’ between religions that has taken place between Muslim and Christian since before the Crusades. Fear is what drives one to oppose this whether you say it’s a religion, or a political ideal.

  • Reesie

    Islam is not solely a religion …it is a MILITARY, FINANCIAL/ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, POLITICAL SYSTEM that dictates every aspect of people’s life and it’s written goal is to destroy all those who will not submit to it. PERIOD. That’s why it does not go against the Constitution to disallow the infiltration of this horrible, oppressive, murderous SYSTEM into the USA. We wouldn’t install Nazi training organizations all over the USA. We wouldn’t install Communist training organizations all over the USA (oh wait Hollywood and the liberal media and Obama progressives are that). We wouldn’t install Hitler training organizations or Joseph Stalin training organizations or Mao te Sung training organizations (Obama progressives love mass murderer Mao te Sung) or Pol Pot training organizations. So why would we install Islamic political, economic, social, military SYSTEMs that are diametrically opposed to the freedoms spelled out in the Constitution?????????????????

    • TML

      I believe you are confusing the fact that in Muslim countries, the religion is not seperate from the ‘state’. This does not mean that the religion IS the political system. The same problem happened in Christianity. It’s called the Dark Ages. When you seperate the state from the religion… it is just a religion.

      • Maranatha_Mark

        No, TML, you are apparently not familiar with what Isalm is or stated goals are. Reesie is correct, Islam is a ‘theocracy’, a political system wrap up in religious trappings, or in other words, it both a political system and religious system. Christianity isn’t not designed to be a political system. It is pretty much impossible to separate person from their religious beliefs, as a person’s religion is a part of who they are, and affects their decisions, good or bad. Christianity’s stated goal is not to ‘impose’ it’s belief on everyone, but rather to offer salvation to anyone who will accept Yeshua Hammashiach as thier savior and repent of their sins! If you elect to not prescribe to our belief, the most true believers will do, is pray for you. Now there are those folks who think they have to impose their views and beliefs on those who don’t want to accept the Christian belief system, but they, themselves are not following the Bible or Yeshua Hammashiach’s example. The Quran teaches to convert, enslave or kill, as does the Hadith.

        There is also something called a “Silent Jihad”, which is what has been going on in Europe and America. The ‘Silent Jihad’ is where Muslims immigrate into a country to the point where they gain the numbers, population wise and move to get Muslims elect into political power to the point that they can implement Shariah Law. They use this method conquest when they are trying to conquer a militarily superior foe, otherwise they conquer by the tip of the sword, when they have the military superiority.

        • TML

          “you are apparently not familiar with what Isalm is or stated goals are.”

          Actually, I am very familiar with Islam. I have read the Quran twice front cover to back (the Bible 5 times front cover to back), and I work, and have worked, with numerous Muslims on a daily basis. I know what their views are and they are not as you say.

          There are radicals on both sides of any religion.

          “Christianity’s stated goal is not to ‘impose’ it’s belief on everyone”

          That is absolutely incorrect. I don’t even see how you can say that with a clear conscious. Have you even read the bible?

          • Maranatha_Mark

            I say it quiet easily: “Christianity goal ISN’T to impose its belief on everyone!” If you have read the Bible 5 times front to back as you said, you should have picked that up some time around the 2nd time through. We (followers of Yehsuah Hammashiach) are to teach the Word and witness to what the Holy Trinity has done in our lives, but it is strictly up to the listener to accept or reject what the Word says. If you truly understood what is required to be a “Christian” (follower of Yeshua Hammashiach), they you would know that no one can MAKE or FORCE you to believe in Christianity (become a follower), you have to want that for yourself. You can’t cite me a scripture that says we are to “impose” or force a belief in Yeshua Hammashiach as being the only begotten Son of El Elyon YHWH, if you can please do so. So if you have Christianity so wrong, why do I believe you have the Quran wrong as well. And I am sure you, being the student of Islam that you are, are fully aware of the law of supersession, the Quran and Hidith operates under correct?

            As for you friendly Muslims you work with, I know folks who call themselves, “Christian” that certianly don’t behave as Christians should. But then again, you never really know folks just by working with them, do you. How many times when the “quiet young man, who was so respectful to the elderly in the neighborhood and nice to the children around” turn out to be some sort of serial killer that eats his gay victims and makes candle holders out of their skulls? Yeah, I am exaggerating to make the point, but not by that much! Your Muslim friends might be good as gold, I know all sorts of folks that claim to be one thing, but don’t act according to what you would expect. Do your Muslim friend publically denounce all Muslim back terrorist attacks, before anyone ask them about it, do they just agree that was aweful if the subject comes up? Just curious, as most “peaceful” Muslims remain silent when Muslim “radicals” commit some sort of terrorist attack.

            Yes you are right though, there are ‘radicals’ that operate under some misguided notion they are doing “God Will” and claim to be ‘Christian’, no denying that. But let’s compare the stats of the death and destruction “Christian Nuts” have caused in comparison to Islamic Jihadist.

          • Karolyn

            Maranatha – Well then, why do so many Christians look down their noses or otherwise ostracize atheists, agnostics and those who believe in other religions? I live in the Bible Belt and have to be careful with whom I share my views because I don’t really want to labeled a nutcase or shunned. What is is with Christians that makes so many of them feel that they are better than? And why do they feel the need to push their views on others?

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Some years ago, when I thought more like you do now, my other half and I were travelling through the Bible belt on business. We were meeting with a cattle rancher, and we couldn’t meet with him because it was Wednesday night (everyone was in church). We had a fairly mocking and contemptuous attitude toward this, and felt somewhat fearful that they would view us with suspect since we were from CA.

            Well, the next day our U-haul broke down and we were stranded. We made it to the ranch, but the owner was not home (he was also a cardiologist).

            The ranch hands, who lived on premises, took us in, spread out a big table in the yard and produced a feast, including us with the family and local minister. Then they made arrangements to have our U-Haul replaced, kids and all off-loaded the contents and reloaded into the new one, and treated us with such kindness and help as rarely seen these days.

            And never once did they inquire about whether we were church folks. It is one of the best memories I have, and I will never forget the down-home, selfless love for their fellow-man demonstrated by these good people.

            Things are not always as they seem.

      • Reesie

        The Dark Ages were caused by the Catholic church that went against the Bible teachings and was drunk on power. These were not true Christians because that goes against everything the Judeo-Christian Scriptures teach. The Catholic church leaders wanted absolute power so they didn’t allow the populace to be educated because they wanted to keep them dependent on the church. They didn’t allow people to read the Bible. They kept it in Latin so the average people couldn’t read it. The lack of the TRUTH of GOd’s Word in society caused the Dark Ages. Sin was rampant and absent was the love, forgiveness of sin, and freedom that God of the Bible gives. All freedom in the world comes from the God of the Bible. Our Constitution is based on HIS Word. People were tortured and killed if they were caught translating the Bible to English or other languages than Latin (Wycliffe, Tyndale). The Dark Ages ended when Guttenburg invented the printing press, which was the most impactful invention on the world, and the first thing he did was print the Bible in other languages. The Scriptures got out to the populace, people were enlightened to the TRUTH of God’s Word, they repented of their sin, were saved, and their lives were transformed. They went against the Catholic church and were tortured and killed for it, but more and more became true believers until the Reformation (Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Calvin, etc.) The Protestant (Christian) church was born. Protest is the root word of Protestant. They protested against the Catholic church’s corruption because they wanted to return to believing and doing only what the Scripture says NOT what man adds to or takes away from the Scriptures.

        The Dark Ages was a period of religious struggle. Orthodox Christians and Catholics viewed the era from opposing perspectives. Orthodox Christians regarded this time as a period of Catholic corruption; they repudiated the ways of the Catholic Church with its papal doctrines and hierarchy. Orthodox Christians strove to recreate a pure Christianity, void of these “dark” Catholic ways. Because of the lack of a strong, true Judeo-Christian population, which would have been telling others of Christ’s love and forgiveness and helping people to be saved and thus transform their lives to do the 2 greatest commandments of the Bible (which are #1 Love God with all of your heart, soul, and mind. #2 Love thy neighbor as thy self.), the Dark Ages left room for evil to run rampant. The evil of the Islamic system ran rampant killing and destroying everyone who would not submit to the system of Islam. The Dark Ages were also the years of vast Muslim conquests. Along with other nomads and horse and camel warriors, the Muslims rode through the fallen empire, wreaking havoc and seeding intellectual and social heresy in their wake. Muslim conquests prevailed until the time of the Crusades. This age old conflict between Christianity and Islam remains until this day.

        The Dark Ages – Faith vs. Enlightenment
        The Dark Ages were a tumultuous time. Roving horse-bound invaders charged the country sides. Religious conflicts arose; Muslims conquered lands. Scarcity of sound literature and cultural achievements marked these years; barbarous practices prevailed.

        Despite the religious conflicts, the period of the Dark Ages was seen as an age of faith. Men and women sought after God; some through the staid rituals of the Catholic Church, others in more Orthodox forms of worship. Intellectuals view religion in any form as, itself, a type of “darkness.” These thinkers assert that those who followed religious beliefs lied to themselves, creating a false reality. They were dominated by emotions, not fact. Religion was seen as contrary to rationality and reason, thus the move towards enlightenment — a move away from “darkness.” Science and reason gained ascendancy, progressing steadily during and after the Reformation and Age of Enlightenment.

        The irony of this is that our 21st Century world is no less dark. It is an individual darkness, which multiplies and grows as those who reject God walk together and dominate politics, education, and society. Our age is characterized by every intellectual and technological advance but our morals have turned backwards. “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them” (2 Timothy 3:1-5). These are the characteristics of true darkness.

        The Bible is the beginning of wisdom, knowledge, learning, and science and nowhere does it say the earth is flat. The Bible calls the earth a sphere thousands of years before it was “discovered” that the earth is round. The black hole of space and gravity and the four winds and the jet stream in the ocean, blood clotting on the 8 day of birth, antiseptic washing to avoid sickness, are referred to before they were “discovered”, and much more.
        http://www.answersingenesis.com

        • TML

          LoL… it looks as though the apologetics for Christianity are no different than the condemnation of Islam. You say Islam isn’t a religion, and you say those who act, or have acted, in a malicious way in the name of Christianity were not Christians.

          You can not apologize away history, my friend. It’s better to accept truth for what it is, even if it hurts.

          You are no better than Obama who calls bombing another country, ‘limited military action’ instead of calling it ‘war’, just to appeal to your own bias fears. And make no mistake, it is religious fear that drives you.

          • Maranatha_Mark

            Acutally, let’s let the Quran speak for the Muslims committing violence in the name of Islam, and let’s let the Bible speak for those committing violance in the name of Christianity, and it will be very clear who is operating out side the prescribed beliefs of their religious texts (sriputure). You are right you can’t escape the truth… the Islamist (Muslims) Jihadist are operating according to the Quran – Madinah verses, the Crusaders, and others who have used the Bible to justify their violent actions are operating in opposition to the teachings of Yeshua Hammashiach. It is very simple. When Christians operate outside of or in oppostition to the teachings of Yeshua Hammashiach, true followers, condemn them publicly and fericely, when “Radical” Muslims send a suicide bomber into a Jewish School or fly planes into our World Trade Center, the vast majority of Muslim countries celebrate and hand out candy! Call me an apologist or whatever, but I think there is a slight difference here.

          • TML

            Mark… if you are going to say those who act, or have acted, in a malicious way (or in a way that opposes you personal beliefs) in the name of Christianity were not Christians… then you MUST concede that the Pope is not a true Christian. Think about it.

          • Kate8

            TML – The early followers of Christ were not called Christians at all, but were Jews who accepted Yeshua as the Messiah. They attended synagogue and kept the traditional Lord’s Feasts, just as Yeshua did.

            Yeshua did not establish a new religion. He said, “Follow Me”. Catholicism came about some 400 years later, joining forces with the Roman Empire in order to capture the movement to control the masses. They changed times and feasts, and proclaimed new precepts. They merged with the pagans to spread the new religion. It was an “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” strategy, and it bears little resemblance to the life of Yeshua nor his teachings.

          • TML

            And which Pope, in which Age, constructed the doctrine of the Trinity… I wonder

  • Dreamtime

    If we really want to get techinical, our most basic America laws were founded on judeo christian laws. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our most basic laws.

    • Brian

      If we want to get technical, the basis for our laws predates the 10 Commandments. Code of Hammurabi for example, which the 10 Commandments are based, in part, on.

      • Dreamtime

        Right on. But it’s the broad dissemination of Judeo Christian laws that put such laws in the forefront. Point being, the free expression of religious or spiritual beliefs should not be suppressed. Buddhism helped civilize much of Asia. Religious tolerance is always a double edged sword. But we should err on the side of being tolerant rather than being “safe.” Never know, there might be a new religion right around the corner that will cast societies into greater heights.

        • TML

          “Religious tolerance is always a double edged sword. But we should err on the side of being tolerant rather than being “safe.” ”

          Well said.

        • Karolyn

          Amen! Would that we were ready for a new age of enlightenment!

          • Kate8

            There is nothing new under the sun, including the “new age”.

            It’s the same old deception evil forces have always used to lure people in.

      • MGM46

        So, we can be sure that at least 10 of the laws of Hammurabi were good.

  • Brian

    Herman Cain is a shill for the Federal Reserve. Nothing else matters.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

      You are right on!

  • Reesie

    Dreamtime, Mark, and TML: get ready for your wives, daughters, and sisters to be oppressed, tortured, and murdered, i.e. their freedom and rights to be taken away from them.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com, http://www.atlasshrugs.com,

    Terrorizing Muslim Women
    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/12/terrorizing-muslim-women/?cid=54990

    Websites of Muslims who have left Islam and warn others to keep it out of their country
    http://i-am.org/members/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=148&Itemid=179.

    Unmasking Muhammed: The Malignant Narcissist and his Grand Delusion Allah https://acrobat.com/#d=WsvZBY1sY0pLKbrDQmGZyA

    Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist warns America and Israel of the system of Islam
    http://www.wzsn.net/prophecy1.html

  • Reesie

    We are at war with the SYSTEM of Islam. Islam is not just a religion, it is a financial, political, economic, social system that enslaves people and teaches its subjects to kill anyone who will not submit to Islam. They have Islamic Sharia Law and Islamic Sharia Banking Law. Obama had a loophole put in the Health Reform Bill that exempts Muslims from having to abide by the law so we will all have to pay for their coverage, but they won’t have to. That is part of Islamic law. Dhimmitude–look it up on AtlasShrugs . Non-Islamics are sub-human and are taxed and persecuted and tortured and forced to pay for the Islamics…and then the Islamics kill the Infidel. Islamic fathers and mothers kill their own daughters for not being Islamic enough. Go to AtlasShrugs and you can see girls and women killed here in the USA. They call them “Honor Killings” and they are proud to do it. AtlasShrugs has countless pictures of women and girls who have had hot oil poured on them or they’ve been set on fire or they set themselves on fire to escape the torture of the system of Islam. They kill their own family members if they choose to leave Islam. Wake up out of your politically correct rose colored glass sleep!

    • TML

      “Islam is not a religion”

      Religion:
      1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
      2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
      3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
      4. chiefly RC Church the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
      5. something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
      6. archaic
      a. the practice of sacred ritual observances
      b. sacred rites and ceremonies

      You can keep asserting that it’s not all day long, in order to get around the constitution to serve your own bias and fear, but it doesn’t change the fact that it IS a religion. You keep playing word games like that and you are no better than the tyrant currently in office who refuses to call bombing another country, WAR.

  • Reesie

    The problem is “progressives” in our highest levels of government who, in the name of tolerance and political correctness, are bullying anyone who has the common sense enough to stand against the takeover of America by the Islamic SYSTEM. President Obama works tirelessly to promote the infiltration of Islam here and to delete Judeo-Christianity here (the foundation of the Constitution). He has appointed unelected Czars throughout his administration who want Islam to be the dominant system of the world. There are pro-Islam people making the decisions about 9/11 memorials. They want to (deceptively) paint Islam as a peaceful, loving religion, when it’s obvious that it is a violent, murderous political, social, economic, and military system. There are websites that show how the memorial in Shanksville, PA is comprised of Islamic symbols and overtones, which is disgusting and wrong on every level. That’s also why Obama and “progressives” like him are secretly pushing for a Ground Zero mosque; and for the revolts in all of the Muslim nations we’ve been seeing. Obama wants to push the Hispanic mass immigration amnesty bill through now so he can later allow 50 million Muslims to mass immigrate here because those Muslim nations are spiraling into murderous chaos (as Muslim nations always do). Those Muslim nations are going to collapse and the people will be shown on the news starving and it will be horrible…and Obama “progressive” will say that America must allow them to immigrate to America for “humanitarian” reasons. Secret Intelligence says that Obama has said he will do this kind of thing to make America a Muslim nation before he leaves office. Adding 50 million Muslims will change the entire landscape of America, the voting majority will swing anti-American/Judeo-Christian foundation and pro-Islam. Islamic law will replace our Judeo-Christian laws. The infiltration of Islamists will raise the Dow Jones because of an influx of Saudi money at first, and naive people will hail Obama as a genius…but then Islam will start raping, cutting off heads, arms, legs, fingers, toes and it will be hell here like it is in every Islamic country. Don’t believe me? The Other Ground Zero Mosque:
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/the-other-ground-zero-mosque.html

    Avi Lipkin
    http://vodpod.com/watch/5647741-avi-lipkin-on-the-talk-to-solomon-show-live-02-24-11
    Avi Lipkin
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4497103094767024346#docid=8240382400822440693
    Avi Lipkin
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4497103094767024346#

  • davy

    Cain got it right ! Islam is political ideology like communism ,plus cunningly saying it is from Allah,while communism ,openly saying it is not from Allah. Both are the same : they use force to make you toe the line. Islam is a 7th century dogma in the guise of religion ,for the violent desert dwellers ,which should not have a place in a civilized world. It has nothing to offer ,except hatred towards the infidels and a diabolic desire to impose their outdated and women-hating ideology to the rest of the world. Islam is perfect for the belligerent violent desert society ,where they need a violent dictator to keep them from killing each other. The rest of the civilized world does not need Islam

  • MGM46

    Everyone better be concerned about any Muslim building anything over here. They need to be checked thoroughly.

    • DC/Tex

      You are correct but who is going to check the checker, Muslims have infiltrated or Government, just look at our president impostor.

  • Walt

    Maranatha_Mark says:

    “During the Crusades, around 784 A.D. the Turks (Muslims) took control of the Cordoba, Spain Catholic Church, and converted it to a mosque to signify their victor over the Christians.”

    Not quite entirely accurate…the building was begun in 600 A.D. as the Christian Visogothic church of St. Vincent. Emir Abd ar-Rahman I bought the church, and he and his descendants reworked it over two centuries to refashion it as a mosque starting in 784. According to some authors, the church of St. Vincent was demolished after it was bought from the local christian community.

    In 1236, Cordoba was recaptured from the Muslim Army by King Fernand III of Castile and the mosque was converted into a Christian church. So it was actually the Spanish Christians that were in the habit of converting mosques into christian churches to symbolize their victory over Islam…..just trying to keep the facts straight here.

    • Maranatha_Mark

      Point taken Walt, but other than the Church of Cordoba, when was started as a Catholic Church, then converted to a mosque and then converted back, list the other mosque that have been converted to Christian churches as a sign of “victory”. Just wanting to be educated here, to avoid spreading error. The Spanish “Christians” were notorious for many barbaric things, in the name of “Christianity”, none of which were acutally back scripturally, and I do know that many crusaders burned and desroyed Mosques and Jewish Synagogues during the Crusades, but I have not heard of any mosques that were intitially build as ‘Mosque’ that were actually converted into a Christian (Catholic) Church. The Dome of the Rock is a great example of Islam using a captured sginificant religious site to proclaim it superiority. The Muslims in charge of the Dome of the Rock, are working as fast and furious as they can to remove any Jewish relics they can un-earth, and haul it off in the dead of night into the desert and dumped. The Jews have gotten wise to this practice and follow the dump-trucks out and go through the materials being dumped to retreive the artifacts the Muslims are trying to dispose of. The Taliban and Other Muslims have practiced destroying other religious sites as well, remember the giant buddhads carved into the cliff sides, that they used artillery to destroy?

      Anyway, I would love to hear about the other mosque that the Spanish “Christians” conquered and converted to Catholic Churches, as I was only aware of the Cordoba church.

      • Walt

        Maranatha Mark Says:

        “but other than the Church of Cordoba, when was started as a Catholic Church, then converted to a mosque and then converted back, list the other mosque that have been converted to Christian churches as a sign of “victory”. Just wanting to be educated here, to avoid spreading error.”

        Education is a wonderful thing mark. I wish more folks would take an interest like you in learning history. Having visited Spain last year and Seville in particular, the Cathedral of Seville, known as the Catedral of Santa Maria de la Sede, and final resting place of Columbus, sits on the site of a former mosque. The mosque was in bad shape after an earthquake badly damaged it in 1356. Construction of the new Cathedral began in 1402 (completed in 1511) on the same site.

        The adjoining bell tower or Giralda was the original minaret tower (used for call to prayers) for the mosque and 2/3 of the old tower was used and extended to form the current bell tower.

        I have not done the research on other sites in Spain where other mosques were convrted in churches, but I know that in Toledo, the main Jewish synagogue was converted into a christian church, after Queen Isabel expelled the Moors and Jews from Spain.

  • chuckb

    remove this insidious so called religion from the country. check out their track record. they have one ambition, turn the world into one religion under sharia law. this cry out for freedom of religion is like committing suicide. they propagate like rabbits and if you don’t think it’s a problem take a look at europe and england. this is ignorance personified.

    • TML

      “this cry out for freedom of religion is like committing suicide”

      Then we should ban all churches as well.
      Think before you speak

      • Lost in Paradise

        People are thinking, educating themselves, and speaking out of the evil that comes our way.

      • chuckb

        people with your concept of religious freedom generally end up losing theirs, islam is more of a cult than religion, a cult built on ignorance, how do you think they get so many followers. people that can’t see thru the ignorance of this cult are usually the uneducated poor or raised that way, you can raise a child to believe there’s a mother goose and when he gets older you will have a hard time convincing him otherwise, just take a look at the current crop of bolsheviks.

        • Karolyn

          Sounds like the same way the Christian religion gets followers – via playing on people’s fears.

          • DC/Tex

            You really are sick!

          • TML

            Don’t you love it when the truth hitsthem like that? :)

        • TML

          “people with your concept of religious freedom generally end up losing theirs”

          LOL… you got that back asswards fella. Without freedom of religion, you may very well lose YOURS!

    • Lost in Paradise

      That is the first thing a good US president should do. The enemy is within, and should be expelled. Load them on Cruise ships and tell them you are giving them a free cruise, Missle that is. It would be well worth the money it would cost.

  • Mutantone

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

    just go here to see how many Islamic/Muslim Terrorist groups as well as other terrorist groups world wide

  • Lost in Paradise

    Islam is not a religion,it is a vicious cult,using religion as a mask. It is however, a complete system.
    Islam has a fake religious component, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

    Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States — Muslim 1.0%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1%-2%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — Muslim 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it…?

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

    Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons…and they are coming to a neighborhood near you…so keep thinking they are not going to harm you and they “accept” you

    • jkittyc

      You are exactly right! I’ve looked at statistics, also.

  • Lost in Paradise

    This above info is over four years old, and if updated, would scare the smart ones amongst you.

  • pete the simian

    I can understand his concern about having domestic terrorism. Then again, doesn’t the 2nd Amendment help fight terrorism ? Yahoo ! Buy all the weapons you can…

    Hey REPUBLICANS ! IF RON PAUL WINS the REPUBLICAN CANDIDACY – I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN !!!

    BUT IF YOU RUN ANYBODY ELSE FOR YOUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE _ I WILL VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS….. AND GLADLY WATCH YOUR PARTY DIE ….

  • roderick usher

    Herman Cain is an honest man, and I’d vote for him in a heartbeat. In fact, I’d propose a Ron Paul/Herman Cain ticket for the GOP. But it is unlikely, because I don’t think the country is yet ready for the discipline of a gold standard. That probably won’t happen, until hyperinflation has run its course, and we as a nation get forcibly taught the lesson we need to learn. Our money used to be honest, but with the Federal Reserve and income tax, that’s ancient history. We MUST reinstitute money, and that way, put the statists permanently out of business. Honest money – a hard metal standard – is the last thing Fabians and state-worshippers want, because it means they can’t resort to deception and the inflation tax to finance their inevitably bankrupt schemes, and defraud the middle class of its wealth. That’s reason enough to support a gold standard, IMHO.

    • Justin Rogers

      No, it will never happen because Ron Paul is too smart to make Herman Cain his running mate. Seriously, you think the good doctor is going to announce a former pro-bailouts, “we-should-all-be-afraid-of-the-terrorists”, ex-Fed-chairman as his running mate? On what planet?

  • AnhydrousBob

    Most of these arguments just don’t matter because they miss the point, both sides.

    Either we are a nation of laws, or not. Either we are a nation of principle, or we are not. Having one set of laws for one group and another set for another is not principled, lawful, or moral.
    Whether you agree with one set of beliefs or not should have no bearing on whether you think something should or should not be allowed, because when it comes down to it, if you are talking about Democracy, you are talking mob rule, where the majority has the right to dictate to the minority.

    Moral people should reject any and all laws that impose a set of beliefs on another against their will. Especially those who claim to be Christians: you have been told to judge yourself, not others. You have not been given authority from on high to coerce anyone to believe as you do, and if you think you have been, you are pretty much a hypocrite like the pharisees. Christians are told to follow peace with all men, and turn the other cheek. If someone can show me differently, I am listening.

  • roderick usher

    There is real evil out there. It exists in the form of the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission. All three groups hate our American republic, and wish for nothing more or less than global dominance, under a system they, as the elitist thugs they are, control. Money can buy just about everything, including respectability, but in the case of the Rockefeller clan, it can’t enable them to re-write history, or change what they, and their ancestors, beginning with John D. Rockefeller, did in the past. This family has a history of corruption, and blind ambition matched only by the DeMedici family of Renaissance Italy. They are most emphatically NOT out for the betterment of mankind. What they want is global dominance and power, and they don’t care what must be sacrificed to get it. That includes national sovereignty, and all republican forms of government. These must be abandoned in favor of a global superstate, based on the Eurosocialist model, which they love. They have no problem with big government, because it means a government they control, and more money and power for them. It is that simple. They are criminals, and should be charged with high treason against the American people, and Henry Kissinger -their protege – is a war criminal, along with the Clintons.

  • roderick usher

    {this is a continuation of my previous posting}

    So, with the track record of the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission, what is one to make of the current economic mess? The flip side of crisis is opportunity, and one must remember that what caused the crisis was fractional reserve banking, and its extreme mode – namely unbacked paper money, AKA fiat currencies.

    We have Hell to traverse, ladies and gentlemen, but there might be some grounds for hope, assuming we keep in mind lessons from the past. There is nothing new under the sun, and it is a conceit of our age to imagine that our problems are somehow unique and unprecedented. If we remember that our Founders wanted a National Bank – as opposed to a central bank – and that they, along with Lincoln, wanted money to be the servant of mankind rather than an exclusive private monopoly, we will survive this crisis, and land on our feet. If not, we will probably go thru a cycle of depressions and wars.

    It is that simple.

  • Justin Rogers

    Oh, people! This whole issue is ridiculous, as the entire 1st Amendment has been turned on it’s ear with respect to religion. Here’s what the constitution says:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

    Meaning that CONGRESS (the federal government) needs to be hands-off on religious issues. That did not prohibit the states or people from setting their own local standards. And many did. Well beyond ratification of the the Constitution, Massachusettes still had laws regarding religion. I think they still do, actually.

    Nowhere in the constitution is the federal government given any authority to encourage, endorse, prohibit, limit, or otherwise be involved, in any direction, with a state’s decision to set any religious parameters it so chooses.

    So, if Tennessee wants to ban mosques, that would be up to the Tennessee constitution and their state legistlature.

    That said . . . Cain is still an idiot. Like so many others, he’s making the wrong argument. This is discrimination. Thing is, not all discrimination is bad. In fact, the word “discrimination” used to have very good implications. Not saying it does in this case. As a Christian, I personally don’t have any problem with muslims wanting a mosque. Jesus Christ is Lord and nothing will ever change that.

    [In this world, you will have tribulation. But be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.]

    In any event, as he is a former Fed chief who supported bailouts, I will never take anything that Herman Cain says at face value.

    • TML

      Wrong

      10th Amendment: “The powers NOT delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” (emphasis added)

      A state can not pass laws (or at least it isn’t supposed to) that violate the U.S. Constitution.

      Besides, Tennesse has a similar Constitution that states:

      “That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience; that no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any minister against his consent; that no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience; and that no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or mode of worship.”

      According to you line of thinking, they could start holding slaves again. Sorry, but you are wrong.

  • http://charter howe

    I spent lots of years in the mlitary and I can vouch for what Mr. Caine says as the gospel. ISLAM is not a religion, but rather an ideology. Religion is one component of ISLAM, as is SHARIA law and the political side of this confusing culture, because within the ISLAMIC ideology there are peaceful muslims and those that pervert the religion to murder innocent men, women and children. Its like a religion that has a normal side and an option that is a cult. Of course they call it warriors of God. Its amazing what men can dream up as an excuse to murder other innocent people to justify their actions. These jihadist have to be terminated as soon as possible because they can never be repatriated or brainwashed or rehabilitated. They are stuck in the martyr mode. If you want to be stupid or compassionate, you could do what the democrats and the republicans are doing by creating ammunition to blast each other with the waterboarding, incarceration or treatment of these murdering losers. You can’t imagine how wretched these sick bastards are until you have lost a friend or a relative to one of these sub-humans.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    The basic mistake is to consider Islam simply a religion. It is something far more insidious. It is as much an ideology as Nazism or Communism, and it is aimed at the destruction of all non-Muslims.

  • chuckb

    justin rogers, you say banning the mulims is a wrong argument, that’s ridiculous. this cult is as anti american as the communist party, they are after world domination, you accept or die have your choice.
    my choice is they leave this country and go back to their goat herds in the middle east. pacifism gets you nothing but a loss of your religious freedom.

  • jopa

    chuckb:What is more anti-American than the Baptists in America.Especially the ones from I think they call it Westboro.All those antics they pull at funerals of soldiers etc.

  • JUROR 64529

    LETS FACE IT THE 9TH FOLD OF THE NATIONAL FLAG FOR WHICH THAT FLAG STANDS HAD TO DO WITH UNDER GOD NOT RADICAL SHERIA LAW.

  • chuckb

    jopa, there’s no excuse for people like that, again it’s pure ignorance. luckily they are a small sect and are no threat to anyone except themselves. i have no respect for anyone that would not respect our fallen troops. i would load them on the same ship with the muslims.

  • http://none Roger

    SHAME on Americans.

    Is it any wonder your country is BANKRUPT…Morally,Philosophically,Politically and Financially!!!

    America was “founded” by displaced maniacal Christians who imposed their FUNDAMENTALIST sick, Racism,Sexism and Anti just-about-anything on the original inhabitants and anyone else who landed on the continental shores.They burned women as “witches in Salem.They murdered the original inhabitants and stole their land.Slavery was how the South prospered,AND to top it off they have invaded just about every SMALL country( too cowardly to invade countries like Russia and China) to steal resources and virtually enslave the the people with LOW WAGE( slave-wages) so-called work.

    Finally they have indebted their own American citizens, and the rest of the world with FIAT currency into poverty …and NOW idiots like Herman Cane want to take advantage of that same American ignorance,frustration and small mindedness by starting the next pogram by banning a Mosque.

    You cant pick on the Jews or Arican Americans anymore so lets do it to Moslems.

    You Americans are getting what you deserve.What goes around,comes around or for you Hypocrite Christians in America-You Reap what you Sow.

    • DC/Tex

      This post was really posted by Obama but as usual the lying coward has used one of his aliases (Roger)

    • Another Voice

      Thank you, Roger!

    • Crystal

      As an Black woman your knowledge of history has many holes in it. It is completely one-sided. Your knowledge of slavery is pale. All colonies practiced slavery (that includes the northern ones also). This would take a really long time to teach you. The whole white man is bad theory is just tiresome now, especially when it’s stated on a lack of historical knowledge.

      • vicky

        Thank you, Crystal. So refreshing to see some intelligence displayed.

    • Walt

      And why exactly are you still living in this land that you call “morally, philosophically, politically and financially bankrupt”.
      Have you no shame to bite the hand that feeds you. If you have such strong disdain for America, I strongly suggest you make every effort to find another country that suits your high moral standards. Perhaps Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, North Korea, Pakistan, South Africa or Iran might be more to your liking.

      I don’t dispute most of your version of history; however, this is 2011 and you are condemning the son for the sins of the father. Even today, America is not perfect; but, I challenge you to name one country that you would prefer to live in. If you do…you really should start packing.

  • chuckb

    roger, you must be a barry soetoro supporter, sounds like his rhetoric. so what else is new?.

  • http://none Roger

    Thank you Chuck.You are proving my point

  • http://none Roger

    Oh, and WHO is Barry Soetoro?

    • Crystal

      You’ve got to be kidding.

  • chuckb

    thats what i thought, you don’t even know the presidents legal name.

    hows the flock going or are you to busy running from our troops.

  • Revolt against the government?

    Ask him how he feels about deporting illegals and see what he tells you. He responded to an email I sent him about illegals and he said he is against mass deportation. Be very carefull when it comes to this man. He just might be a sheep in wolfs clothing.

  • Eddie

    Mosques have no business in America. They need to stay in the land of Allah babba and the 40 thieves. Their house of worship is Santanic. Their book the quaran is nothing more than a Stephen King novel. Even Jesus asked who is this dude mohammed? Who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people for not conforming to satan’s cult called Islam. Israel needs to blow up the mosque that stands in Jerusalem and turn it into a soccer field or parking garage. That horrific looking building only collects dust, moths and bats. The time has come for a religious war. Time to wipe out Islam. Exterminate them like the cock a roaches they are. That will eliminate terrorists threats forever. Peace on earth. All they do us breed violence and hatred to all that is not Muslim. We and our allies can wipe out their entire race in less then a month. Would take even less time if we nuked their countries. Time for these people who believe in flying carpets to cease from existence. If I were president of America. I would declare war on the Muslim world for the sake of humanity. Take that to their allah A/K/A Satan

    • Christine

      I agree totally with you.

  • chuckb

    eddie, if iran gets their bomb working, we will probably have to do what you suggest. barry will have a real dilemma, a choice between israel or islam, israel will be in big trouble if they depend on barry,

  • JosephB

    One point that I have not seen mentioned anywhere in the news is the fact that Everyone in the legal profession should be fighting against the Muslim invasion of America. Can you imagine what will happen if the Muslims institute sharia law and force it down our throats after the spineless, naive, politically correct politicians cave in to their special interest, or get bought out with Muslim bribes like every other PAC group does for votes? This will be a nation with tens of thousands of lawyers standing in the unemployment line. Imagine that! Neighbors and families will settle their disputes at the local mosque. Lawyers going hungry. American justice will not exist. The Constitution will be history. What flag will this country be flying in 50 years?

  • Roger

    To all the misquided dissidents about my message-
    …. I am a LIBERTARIAN and my REAL Name iS ROGER and I have never emailed nor discussed with ANYONE about “illegals.I am NOT AMERICAN
    (thankfully) and I have VERY good knowledge UNBIASED knowledge about slavery. To Crystal,In fact I am married to a REAL AFRICAN(continental African) not the “oreo” versions found in the U.S. and YES there are better countries to live in-Canada for one which is where I live.

    There was a time when Americans,in their true ignorance,referred to Canada’s money as Monopoly and the country’s politics as Pink….Now who is having the last laugh?

    I am neither a supporter of Obama nor a front or cover or “sheep in wolves clothing” for ANY of your corrupt politicians amd thanks to your comments which are so typical of the arrogance,ignorance and stupidity of so many Americans( they vote for their idiots),with the exception of “another voice” who seems to be a thinker, you are SO TYPICAL and the reason why your country is FINISHED

    I only feel bad for my daughter and my many American friends because she and they dolive there ( yes LEGALLY ,for the benefit of you Rednecks) BUT fortunately for her has retained her Canadian citizenship.

  • chuckb

    roger, what are you one of the draft dodgers from the vietnam war era, is that why you hate the u.s. so much. the canadians better appreciate this country, we protect their rear end and they don’t have to afford a large defense force. of course if you represent the canadian population maybe we can transport these [removed] to your country, it sounds like you would embraace them. do you sell prayer rugs by a chance? or maybe goats for the lonely terrorist.

  • AJ

    The reason any non American would stay in this country
    is that they enjoy our great give away programs. They
    hurridly get on these programs and get helped to get on them
    by the goodie two shoes that are great at spending the US tax
    payers money and buying votesfor themselves.

  • chuckb

    aj, not only that barry is spending billions of the tax payers money building mosques in the middle east, egypt alone has received over 700 Million dollars to refurbish mosques and build new ones. have you seen the government handing out money to the christian churches in the u.s., oh, it’s the separation of church and state. does that apply overseas?

  • Roger

    The Truth hurts for you guys doesn’t it..

    All I can say is wrong again… about all of you comments…you guys are worse judges of character than I could have ever imagined and more…you dont even read my letters to see the answers to your foolish statements or cynical “queries’….that “great” American education ssytem has failed you too ,huh??? For example “hidden” within my comment you will discover what my nationality is and I can assure you it is NOT, nor ever was,what you imply( Thankfully).

    I am enjoying,very much your foolishness,but it is getting boring now and I feel nothing but pity that you all can’t see past your PREJUDICE and HATRED…too bad

    Like I said YOU are the REASON for the Fall of the American “Empire”…NOT Mexican illegals,Islamic legals (or illegals) not China,or India or any other country, group,religion or race…..YOU are!

  • chuckb

    roger, do your supervisors know you are missing?.

  • GetSense

    ALLAh is the devil, NOT the true loving GOD
    The word ISLAM means: SUBMIT

    The muslims want America and Europe to submit all their God given freedoms.

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