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Heritage: 67 Million Americans Dependent On Federal Government

February 9, 2012 by  

Heritage: 67 Million Americans Dependent On Federal Government

According to conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, Federal spending on Americans who are dependent on the government accounts for more than 70 percent of the Federal budget.

The report says that 67.3 million Americans, from college students to retirees to welfare beneficiaries, depend on the Federal government for housing, food, income, student aid or other assistance needs that were once met by individuals, families, neighborhoods, churches and civil society institutions.

Government dependence numbers have been climbing steadily since 1962 when the annual Index of Dependence was at 19. In 1980, the Index climbed to 100, and for 2010 — the last year for which the data are available — the Index stood at 294. Under the Administration of Barack Obama, the report says that American dependence on the Federal government has jumped by 23 percent, the biggest jump since Jimmy Carter was President.

Dependency on Federal housing, healthcare, welfare and retirement programs accounts for the largest portion of the jump in dependence since 2001 — about a 60.7 percent increase in dependence on the Federal government.

The percentage of people who do not pay Federal income taxes and who are not claimed as dependents by someone who does pay them, jumped from 14.8 percent in 1984 to 49.5 percent in 2009. In 1984, 34.8 million tax filers paid no taxes; in 2009, 151.7 million — nearly half of all Americans — paid nothing.

The report concludes that the American republic has reached a point at which most voters go to the polls to protect their government benefits (dependence), corrupting both government and society’s whole.

Read the full report here.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • CJ

    Once again, a review of “statistics” is reported in an incomplete light and gives misleading or incomplete interpretations. It fails to qualify how many are actually dependent, or are just cashing out their rightful benefits. When I withdraw my money from the bank, I’m not dependent on it, I’m retaking what I earned. Take this for what it is, an incomplete report with more speculation and false insinuation than detailed fact.

    • Thor

      CJ, this reminds me of an old story that used to be included in the elementary reading collections back when. It was a story about a village that got a new headman who wanted to make a two thousand year old tradition more efficient. He proposed cutting the amount of grain the grinding ox was getting fed each day to turn the big boulder that ground the grain and working it longer hours. Not knowing just how much ‘efficiency tweaking’ the ox could take, the village continued to try to make the process more and more efficient. Finally, the ox died of starvation and fatigue and the village no longer had a truly efficient way to grind the grain.

      You obviously missed that one…understandable, after Sputnik progressives replaced such stories with classes on science and economics. This so-called ‘incomplete interpretation’ is an example of the effects of that decision. You have seen the numbers and know not what they mean. Certainly, you have been deprived of the understanding morally and ethically. Wish I could help…but, I think not.

      • eddie47d

        The American worker is the OX of your story where they are the most productive in the world yet they are expected to work harder. They get paid less for doing more and the rewards for that labor flow upwards into the pockets of the Corporates and business owners. Yes these American Oxen are not happy and wonder how much more they are willing to take.

        • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

          Eddie, let me help you out. True the Ox is the American Worker but that is where you lost sight of the moral of the story.
          The American Worker gets paid his wages. Corporations and other American businesses are also ‘The Ox’, as are the people who work for them. Everyone who works for a living in America is the Ox, every entity that produces a product is the Ox.
          The question is. ‘Who feeds the Ox’? or in this case, ‘Who robs the Ox of his earnings so he cannot feed himself and his family’?
          The only reason the Ox grinds the grain is so he can earn a living and take care of his loved ones.
          In modern society the government takes the earnings of the Ox and spends them where the government thinks the money is better spent. When the amount of money taken by the government, for whatever purpose, is more than the worker can accept, then he quits working and the whole system dies.
          This is where we are today half of the people are not paying taxes at all. Therefore, those who are paying taxes have to be taxed more to make up the difference in revenue to the government, or the government must print more money to make up the difference. If the government prints more money it causes inflation which decreases the value of each dollar in the hands of the people and forces the merchants to increse their prices so they can stay in business with this inflated money economy.
          This is where we are today. Obama has spent 5 Trillion dollars more than was taken in by taxes in the last three years so they just printed the money needed and inflated the existing currency.
          Which means that all of those people who are on welfare, or are working for the government handing out welfare as well as those oxen who are working each day to make this world of America, has just been robbed by the printing of the extra money by that ratio of old money versus the new money.

          • skip

            In point of fact, all 360 million Americans depend on the Federal Government – Interstate highways, safe airspace, safe food, safe medicines, control of the spread of TB, you name it. Afghanistan is what you get with no Federal Government – they have no taxes, free borders to export opium, no state schools, no health care system to pay for, no reasonable roads to have to pay for, etc. Decide which way you want to cut. I think they do drink a lot of tea – plenty of room for a tea party there.

        • eddie47d

          That’s fine that you want to give credit to businesses that produce a labor pool but too many in the last few years have been sucking the work force dry while making huge profits. So I didn’t lose anything in my definition. A better way to observe this crises is that the “producers” aren’t hiring or creating work for the unemployed or those on welfare. Which means they will continue to be on welfare or government assistance.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            They are producing no jobs because your hero just sits on his fat azz and spends money to GROW government!! too bad he can’t see that the bigger the government, the tighter the money for job creation in the private sector!!

          • Opal the Gem

            Joe H. don’t bother eddie with logic it gives him a headache.

          • APN

            Eddiedum, Do you actually believe that the reason GM failed was due to the executive management team taking out more than they earned?

            Did you learn basic math in middle school? Do you understand powers????? As in, a large OVERPAID workforce taking more than their worth thus bankrupting the company? At the expense of future generations, if I may add.

            You must be like Barack Obama who seems to have the math skills of a 2nd grader. You know, like taxing the 1% at a higher rate will fix the “Powers” problem that has created the MASSIVE debt and deficit. What is it that you people don’t understand about basic math?

            Fact is Eddie, the game is over and the reality of the lack of “Powers” to pay for all this free stuff will be revealed, and very soon. Our debt has nothing to do with the JOB creators(Risk Takers) but has everything to do with people taking the “FREE Stuff” that they DID NOT EARN!

    • rafael

      Got to be another muslim statistic , because my retirement it is mine and mine only, I PAID INTO IT ALL MY LIFE and those few miserable $ I get back it is a joke comparade to all I paid into it for all those years and what our corrupt congress ( I O U ) steals from all Americans.
      Wake Up America don`t you see it ????

  • Karolyn

    Of course there are more people getting benefits under the Obama administration since so many are out of work. It’s called RECESSION! And don’t attack me for being a socialist. There are many aspects of the welfare system I am not in support of, and I am fully aware that there are those who scam the system. What are the Federal retirement benefits they are talking about – Social Security? Well, that is owed to those of us who paid into it, so that certainly doesn’t count as a government handout. I still maintain that the bulk of people who are on public assistance don’t vote, so that would refute their claim about people voting to maintain their bennies.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      Ah, Korolyn, I can see that you know very little about our political system.
      In the words of Bill Clinton when he was the Governor of Arkansas. “Boys make sure you have plenty of ‘walking around money’ on election day because we need all the votes we can get”.
      This statement means that when you drive the bus through the neighborhoods and pick up the prospective voters to carry them to the polls to vote, you also give each of them $20 to make sure they vote for the correct candidate and they also know where to meet the bus on the next trip to the next poll place. This ‘walking around money’ sometimes amounts to as much as $500 per person on election day. Not bad pay for just riding a bus and voting twenty five to fifty times.

      • APN

        Yep, one of the few things our founders missed. They had no clue that people would actually become dependent on the DARN federal government. Heck, they came here to get away from this socialist crap!

        What needs to happen, is, if you don’t have a job or own any real property, well, guess what, you lose your right to vote. That simple!

  • Gringo Infidel

    Disgusting. A quid pro quo arrangement (e.g. give them ‘assistance’ and they will vote for me and my demoncrat party enablers).

    This will not last nor stand.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      But it has lasted and is still standing. This is the mission of ACORN to turn out democratic voters, take them to the polls many, many times. Vote democratic and vote often.
      Wake up folks, this is the reason we, conservatives are trying to require prior registration and a picture ID card. Election Fraud is a big business with little chance of prosecution.
      Adding up all of the fraud in the states in 2004 we had more that 1.8 million questionable votes for Obama but once Obama was sworn in it was too late according to the federal judge who heard the complaint.

    • Joe H.

      Gringo,
      you underestimate the greed of those TAKERS in the system!! They will sell their soul to lucifer for a few more dollars a month!! Just as long as they don’t have to WORK!! did you notice that is a four letter word?? to them it ranks right up there with F..k and others. just like personal responsibility!!! A phrase that scares the hell out of them!!

      • APN

        I’m afraid your right JoeH! Not sure now how we can fix it!

        I think a depression may fix it, and it might just happen yet. Maybe before the election.

  • R Crain

    Since your very happy about this grade opportunity and thank you very much. Maybe you should learn the language first before you post so the rest of us know what the hell your grateful for?? Are you here illegally sucking up the free cash? Are you here legally, sucking up the free cash.? Other than my VA Pension, which I earned the hard way, I have never in 65 years took anything from this goverment. Never been on welfare, low income housing, or anything. I have gone to bed a few nights hungry as hell, and been totally broke more than once.I have had to start over more than once also., but I never asked this government for anything other than to leave me alone, and let me work it out. I have had govt. agencies offer me hand outs, but I always refused, as I don`t take hand outs. I always earned what I got, or did with out. The smartest thing I ever did was moved to the country, in the woods. Now I have plenty of deer, turkey, trout to eat. I also learned to garden, and canning everything I came across. I now have over a years supply of food, and enough wood cut and stacked to last me two winters. If I needed something and I had no cash, I bartered for it. I also learned to live with in my means. I cut up all my credit cards, and went cash only. Everything I now have is paid for.I owe no one. I even generate my own electricity. Being a ham radio operator lets me catch up on all the latest happenings. I love this life of mine, but someone is always trying to take it from me.Somebody always wants what I worked hard for, and I guess that is just human nature and greed.

    • Karolyn

      Well, how wonderful for you! It sounds like the old “I had to walk 20 miles in the snow to get to school” line. Not everyone is as fortunate as you to be you. That’s the bottom line. Every person is unique. I have had to receive help from the government, although I tried every means possible to take care of myself. I have hustled my whole life, making things to sell, selling antiques and collectibls online and at flea markets, working in the mainstream, cleaning houses, etc. It is not so easy for a single older woman. It is my feeling that I contributed to the growth of this country and have paid taxes my whole life; so there is nothing wrong with getting a handout or a handup. “Pride goeth before a fall.” Fortunately, I have not needed assistance for the pst year and a half and am working toward not ever having to get Food Stamps again. And, yes, I have a Pell grant allowing me to get a degree in order to be able to have the education I need to keep working well into my old age, which I do anticipate. I am 65; and up until about 10 years ago, degrees were not required in many jobs that I have had through my life. As far as the grants go, I see many lives being changed due to the government assistance via Pell.

      I certainly understand where conservatives are coming from and do believe that there has to be more of a balance.

      • R Crain

        I was never fortunate Karolyn, but I was a hard worker never giving up. I had a set of morales and pride that I lived by, and i refused to be sucked into the system. Too make my predicament even harder, I was a 100% disabled veteran to boot, who never in 35 years went to the VA cause I felt it was a hand out. I only recently started seeing a doctor there at the insistence of some close friends, when I found out I had throat cancer. But, I`m on my way to a good recovery, and I started drawing my VA pension. They wanted to know where I was the last 40 years, cause my pension went back and was awarded that long ago. In answer to your coming question, NO, I will not receive any back pay for all those years I never picked up those checks.

        • Karolyn

          As far as I’m concerned, that’s just plain ignorant. Why should you not take what you have coming to you? You can’t eat pride.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, some people still have pride. Pride is not ignorant.

          • Karolyn

            As I said, “Pride goeth before a fall.” Pride is a lack of humility. It reminds me of the people I saw interviewed who were living in a ten in a park when the recession first began. They would rather live in a tent than tell their kids and families they were in trouble. Of course, a person should take pride in his or her accomplishments, and be proud of his or herself where appropriate; but when it comes to eating or not eating, that’s a diferent story. R. Crain was totally entitled to assistance from the VA. He EARNED it and would not take it. That is ignorant as far as I’m concerned.

          • Karolyn

            Too many people are proud of their pride, and it sometimes seems to me that they use it to show just how much better they are than others.

          • libertytrain

            Too many people have no pride and would sooner take something for nothing than do a HONEST day’s work. He was doing fine working honestly and didn’t need the freebie, even though he was entitled to it. I don’t think you’ll ever understand.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – Oh, I understand a lot more than you think. I don’t think you’ll ever understand where I’m coming from, and that’s OK too. :-)

          • libertytrain

            Actually, based on your upbringing, and mine are quite similar – Different States, and we took different directions. I hate taking money for something I didn’t earn… I don’t feel the government should be taking care of me. Somewhere our roads split and I don’t color inside the lines either….

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, I have a sister, same age as you, though I don’t think she ever even tried doing work like you did or I have, but all she thinks is someone owes her and ought to be paying her way. Same parents, extreme left liberal family. She and I took different routes. I don’t mind getting on my hands and knees to scrub floors, some people want to be paid not to do anything…. too many people. She’s spent much of her last few years looking for “free” government money. I work to avoid “free” government money. Cause it just ain’t free, I pay for that money other people are too lazy to work for.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            I’ve been told by three different doctors that I’m 100% disabled with my back fusion. i still work every day. I could collect disability but I too, have pride. I’ve even beentold bya couple of neurologists that if I keep going, I could wind up in a wheelchair. Work is all I’ve known all my life, why quit NOW??? I actually ENJOY working!!

          • APN

            Karolyn, Don’t expect me to feel sorry for you when you spend 1/2 your time blogging on the internet. Who paid for your computer and how do you have all this time on your hands??? Who pays for your cell phone?

            The Federal government has no business in the welfare/entitlement game. That is all it is, A BIG GAME, to make those in Washington “Feel GOOD” by taking something form one and giving it to another. i.e.; MARXISM That is the reason our government is so screwed up, buying votes with OUR money! Or, actually, our GRANDCHILDRENS MONEY!

            Welfare needs to be handled at the LOCAL levels of government, not STATE or FEDERAL. Then instead of walking, or rolling out, to the mailbox to collect your “Check”, you would be required to face your neighbor who pays your bills.

            It’s called accountability.

        • R Crain

          I also wanted to state that I see nothing wrong with getting help from someone. I hesitate to say government here, but sometimes there is no other help available. Used to be family, and neighbors helped one and another. I guess that is a thing of the past. I see nothing wrong with getting help from the govt. if that is all that is available, and its a temporary thing to get you back on your feet. BUT, some people, my own family included, think the govt. should support them indefinitely. They get used to the lifestyle, and you cannot get them to give it up. These are the losers in our society, and this is why neighborhoods go to the dogs. Personally, I always found asking someone for something, very distasteful.As a mechanic, I never asked anyone to borrow a tool, as it was my responsibility to have that tool if I wanted to keep my job. Life is pretty much the same way. You do what you got to do to get through life, and that means working hard and putting something back for hard times. Reminds me of the story of the worker ants, and the grasshopper that played all the time. Life is what you make it, not what someone is willing to give you. I find hard work , and a steady paycheck very rewarding. If I had to rely on others for my well being, I would be in a mental ward worrying if they were going to come thru for me. But, thats just me, not everyone is like me. I guess pride, and self worth to some people means very little.

          • Joe H.

            R. Crain,
            you reminded me of something. I buy Craftsman tools. they last a good long time and if they fail I can get them replaced free. Well, I lent a number two phillips to a neighbor as she was working on her dryer. she laid it down, the dog got ahold of it and chewed it all to hell and gone. i told her that she would have to replace it. she couldn’t under stand why I got upset when she went to the local five and dime and bouught a cheap number two and tried to get me to accept it. She even tried to state but it’s the same kind of screwdriver!!! i finally told her that she owed me a CRAFTSMAN screwdriver as that is what she borrowed. I still haven’t gotten it, twenty years later!!

          • libertytrain

            I have to agree. Occasional help, sometimes that is needed but that’s so much a thing of the past. I know too many people who brag about their government “windfalls” so they don’t have to work ever again no matter their age. I don’t get it and don’t understand it.

          • APN

            JoeH, That is the difference between OLD SCHOOL thinking and this “New Age” crap. I come from the OLD SCHOOL, and if I had borrowed your #2 Craftsman and my dog destroyed it, well, you would have found out about it when I returned to you a BRAND NEW #2 craftsman.

            Your response would have probably been, “You didn’t have to do that APN” and my response would have been ” Well, JoeH, yes I did”.

            We would have then had a good laugh together about the dog and would have continued to be good trusting neighbors. That’s the America I grew up in with people taking personal responsibility for their actions BUT that is not the America we live in now….SAD….BUT TRUE!

  • Steve E

    Wait till the economic collapse. Then we will have no people dependent on government. That will be great for the people because they will then learn how to survive themselves. Can’t wait.

    • Sirian

      An economic collapse is most certainly on its way. With the way things are being handled, obviously, there is no other possibility of it ever being redirected in the correct direction. Unfortunately we still have a major portion of our populace that prefers to keep their head up their butts instead of raising cane on a much more grand level. The COWS (Crazy Occupy Wall Streeters) are the ones raising cane and as long as they stay organized, once the economy collapses, stand by, no telling what will come next.

    • eddie47d

      We “should raise more cane” but then you go after OWS who is raising cane over the same issues?!

    • R Crain

      You are quite right STEVE, and its coming. A lot of people are in for a rude awakening. Many people have told me over the years, your a disabled vet, you can draw a check, and food stamps, why are you working 2 jobs. I told them I live with in my means, and I earn what I got. Nobody can say they gave me anything. I drive a 4 wheel drive truck that is 33 years old, and my car is 8 years old. Both are in excellent condition because I maintain them. I have been offered good money for them, but I always smile and walk away. I have several transmitter from 1940 that I talk on , all over the world. My receivers are of the same vintage. These are huge, old tube radios, and they look like new, cause I take care of my stuff. I don`t have to have new stuff like a lot of people, cause I`m happy with what I got. If it works, why replace it. I and my wife are totally self sufficient, we rely on no one. I think if more people did as we do, they would be better off. We are not perfect, we have made mistakes along the way, but we learned from our mistakes. We always remembered that: NOTHING IS FREE!! Everything will cost you something, whether it be money, your time, your pride. Sometimes, you have to tighten your belt, and thats not such a bad thing.

      • Joe H.

        May you never run out of scavenged tubes, my friend!!!

        • R Crain

          Thank you Joe H. I try to keep a supply of tubes on hand, and I never load my transmitters to their full potential. These tubes are getting mighty expensive as of late. I recently purchased a ART-13 transmitter from a B-17 flying Fortress. No Dnynamotor, so I had to build a power supply. 1800 volts on the high side, 450 volts on the low side, and 28 volts DC to the tubes, and the servo motors. This is a really sharp transmitter. Check out youtube on the ART-13. video, its a blast. This thing looks like it left the factory yesterday. At 180 mils Joe is shows 200 watts out on 160 meters. I`m now looking for the receiver to complete this set up. Collins 51H-3 is the receiver. 73`s Joe, and thanks for the kind words. I have a application here in front of me for MARS Network. Think I will fill it out.

          • Joe H.

            R. Crain,
            Ah M.A.R.S.!!! I used to use it to call home from Nam!! Over. Lovely little thing, used to save the troops a lot of money making calls!!

    • APN

      Well said Steve, and very factual. What is coming, and soon, is a mathematical certainty. Then and only then will the reset button be activated, and then and only then will we get our FREEDOMS back from all these lazy dopers who do nothing but party and live “FREE” at the expense of our grandchildren.

  • Jon

    There are a lot of people out there like me. I would gladly pay taxes, just give me job. It’s not from lack of looking, but one shot of my grey hair and two college degrees and employers’ eyes glass over. Unemployment ran out two years ago, but I get a small military pension [getting smaller daily] which keeps food on the table, sort of. I am now considering dying hair and lying about my education, engineering license, and birthplace (USA) to get a job picking potatoes. And I would walk 20 miles through the snow to get to the job. On the plus side, Obama promised change, and I have some: a quarter, two nickels and an expired bus token.

    • Karolyn

      There are many online opportunities. Right now I don’t have the time to investigate a lot, but am investigating e-book writing, which is a large and fast-growing industry. If you can write, there are other sources also like elance. I am sure there are more. Many are making a killing online.

    • 270 Win.

      Jon, there are job adds in this areas local papers. They cannot find people to work. Trucking company’s looking for mechanics, railroad’s looking for mechanics, drilling company looking for help, GE building a large locomotive plant, Ford dealership cannot find mechanics, on and on. The jobs are there you many have to move.

      • Karolyn

        Where do you live?

      • R Crain

        While your right about some jobs being there 270 Win. , you must also take into account that not every one out of work is trained for those jobs. Jon being a engineer hardly qualifies for any of those jobs as he most likely works with blue prints and stress formulas. Not saying he could not learn, but most jobs like that require a apprenticeship lasting 4 years. With his gray hair, and a degree in engineering most people would not hire him and invest in him, as they know if the economy turned around, he would be gone back too his trade in a flash. People like Jon are in a catch 22. When I was younger, I worked as a rail road mechanic, commonally called a Machinist. I worked for .85 cents a hour the first year. While serving my apprenticeship, I learned to weld, run a lathe, and use cutting torches, plus rebuilding 20 cylinder General Electric locomotive engines. That prepared me later in life to do many other jobs, including rebuilding construction equipment.I`m what you call a jack of all trades, but a master of none. I`m also a licensed private pilot, but no one is going to hire me to fly for them. People like me can get a lob just about anywhere, anytime, but people like Jon are specialized into one field of expertise, which puts them on the outside looking in. Its people like Jon that I really feel for.

  • Doc Sarvis

    We ALL depend on the Federal government for various things.

    • 45caliber

      Yes. But we could get by better on a lot less than we have of it now.

    • APN

      Yep! Unfortunately!!!

  • Silly Question

    How is it possible to have “Federal spending on Americans who are dependent on the government accounts for more than 70 percent of the Federal budget” when Federal spending on military and war is 60% of the budget.
    Possible answer: You are considering those who profit from the wars as government dependents!

    • c.w.s.

      SQ… SOMEBODY’S got to make up those statistics, it may as well be the Heritage Foundation…

      • Joe H.

        cws,
        Perhaps that 60% number is incorrect! figures don’t lie, but liars figure!!

  • s c

    Utopians have a way with language, don’t they? The downside of that terrible flaw is the idea that ‘some’ people think they can put up with ANYTHING.
    If that’s the case, then start taking poison, geniuses. Anybody know what the minimum daily requirement for poison is?
    What is it about a utopian that makes them think they can persuade everybody to become delusional and somehow have a better life? We’re NOT supposed to get along, rum dums. It’s the constant coflict that points out what works and what doesn’t. Of course, it also DEMANDS that people aren’t tampering with the “facts.”
    When or if America’s ‘stuff’ hits the fan, utopians, REMEMBER that you had a chance to learn. YOU turned your collective backs on common sense. YOU preferred insanity to reason. YOU will gladly put YOUR kids in chains to make your false political ‘gods’ happy.
    If you live in an area where people don’t have any use for utopians, I suggest you MOVE. One way or another, if you don’t allow for the high probability that your health will suffer very fast, you’re even dumber than I thought. If we aren’t able to turn America around, enjoy the ‘heaven’ you think is preferable to FREEDOM.
    ENJOY it, traitors.
    Got insurance? Will your ‘friends’ keep you safe?
    Are you ready to put your beliefs to the test and see if you can survive when your world is turned upside down? Do you REALLY think someone like Obummer will come to your rescue? Enjoy, utopians. Savor the flavor.

    • Karolyn

      I just can’t wait to see you proven wrong! :-)

      • 45caliber

        I can. If you think people can get along and do everything voluntarily that must be done to keep civilization going, then I’ll ask you – are you going to be the one to volunteer to keep all the sewers cleaned out without pay?

        • Karolyn

          I’m too old for that kind of work!

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            i know a guy with our city that is 67 years old and does that work every day!!! too old?? no such thing!!

          • R Crain

            I have worked at slave wages sometimes, and I have worked long hours for very little money, but pay of some sort was always the motivating factor. I would never work for nothing period. Even when I worked for my family, I always got to eat a good meal, or something similar for my work. To work for free for a government, or a city just is not in my vocabulary. If thats all I had to look forward too, then I will just stay here in the woods, raise my garden, hunt and fish, and talk long hours on my radios. I could turn my back on the world in a heart beat. I got everything I need, cause I planned ahead. I`m sure there are those out here that think I should share what I got, and I`m sure when the crap hits the fan, there will be those that party hardy showing up at my door. All they will get is armed resistance. Why should I be responsible for others that were too lazy to see what was coming, and failed too prepare for this day. It is coming, so I suggest all of you start getting ready now if it isn`t too late for some. A lot of people have made their bed, now they will have to lie in it.

          • Karolyn

            Well, we all have our own capabilities. I have done physical work at points in my life, but now, with the arthritis I have, it is a lot more difficult. There are people who do physical work and people who do cerebral work. I always used to get po’d at my ex telling me I had nothing be tired about after working at a desk all day.

          • APN

            Fact is, I bet your too old for most any kind of WORK and have been for your entire adult life.

          • libertytrain

            No you’re not. Mind over matter, however if you mind, it will matter, if you don’t mind, it won’t matter….

          • skip

            Not in conservative society, Karolyn – you’ve got to clean up your own mess.

  • kg

    I think the real utopians are the republican/religious/fascist/right-wingers who think that if we eliminated all taxes, the government would have all the money it needs. And if we killed all the gays and “liberals”, God would bless us. Now that sounds like Islamo-Fascism.
    But it is actually Christian-Fascisim. The Puritans thought the same thing during the Salem witch trials. “If we get rid of all the witches, God will surely Bless us.” Now that’s what I call Utopian thinking.

    • 45caliber

      This isn’t even worth replying to.

    • Joe H.

      sorry, 45, but I gotta!! kg, show me where we are calling for the murder of gays! I don’t support that, I just don’t think they should be able to “marry”! if they want civil unions with full benefits, fine, let them do it. Don’t force a church to do the ceremony, don’t give them SPECIAL rights, and don’t EVEN try to force me to rent my property out to them. It is against my religeous beliefs and the government is not supposed to abridge those rights in any way!!

      • APN

        I Agree JoeH. Let these pervs do their thing through a civil union and be done with the issue. Personally, I don’t want to be in a 1,000 yards of these people and nobody is big enough to make me.

  • Ted Crawford

    We were warned at the very beginning of the Nation what to expect should we allow our Republic to degenerate into a Democracy!
    “A Democracy cannot exist as a permenant form of government. It can only exist untill the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benifits from the Public Treasury, with the result that a Democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy and is always followed by a dictatorship
    Alexander Fraser Tytler 1787
    “The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money”
    Alexis de Tocqucville

    • APN

      Yep!!!!

  • Larry G

    from the article, In 1984, 34.8 million tax filers paid no taxes; in 2009, 151.7 million — nearly half of all Americans — paid nothing.

    are these 2 figures from the same source; “tax filers vs all Americans”? I think not, otherwise the point of he article got across

  • Carrobin

    Another load of propaganda from the mendacious Heritage Foundation. Most of us who receive government checks (mine is Social Security) are just getting back what we paid into the system. Yes, we get back more than we paid in, but that can be fixed without much trouble (Medicare is more difficult, but I’m still paying for that with a deduction from my SS check–the problem is the spiraling cost of medical care in our ridiculously spendthrift for-profit system). People who don’t pay income taxes are either making very little money or making so much money that they hire accountants to hide it. And everybody pays sales taxes and many other kinds of tax. The neoconservatives would let even more families lose their homes, more sick people die, and more and more citizens go bankrupt rather than man up and pay the taxes that are the price for living in the USA.

    • Joe H.

      corrobin,
      there are people making over 25,000 dollars a year that get more back than they paid in!! how do you deserve more tax refund than you paid in?? I’ve got three kids, one of them handicapped, I never got back more than I paid in! Come up with a straight 20 percent tax, no deductions, no returns you make a hundred dollars, you pay twenty. the government will get more money than they get at present and ALL will have a dog in the race!! bet the pols will have a harder time “buying” votes with promises!!

      • APN

        Yep! Everybody should have some “Skin” in the game. Otherwise, FREEDOM will be lost.

  • skippy

    Well, hell….make the UNcomfortable, and they will WANT to do better for themselves! A real no brainer to me.

  • cindy

    I take offense to be included in the 67 million American dependent on federal funds.I am a senior citizen and only receiving the money I and my employer sent to the federal government. It is not may fault you spent my money. They are not giving me something for free as in unemployment funds of other give away for people who have never donatd a penny.

    • Karolyn

      Anybody who has worked at a legitimate job, other than nonprofits and the government, contributes to Unemployment Insurance.

      • Joe H.

        karolyn,
        my wife has worked for twenty seven years at the same place, and I worked at different places for over forty years. I’ve never seen a deduction in the explaination area of my check that stated unemployment insurance deduction. In ohio the EMPLOYER pays into the fund!!

        • R Crain

          I lived in Ohio for a few years Joe. I had 4 tractor trailers leased to Dart Trucking.I lived in North Lima, Ohio. When all the steel mills closed down, I started selling my equipment, and moved back to the Missouri Ozarks. I saw the righting on the wall, and got out while the getting was good. I have always been lucky that way, reading a situation before it actually took place. That ability has saved me thousands of dollars, and a lot of headaches.It was a friend of mine that burned down the Cyahoga bridge when he flipped a tractor trailer over on the bridge loaded with 10,000 gallons of gas for Truckstops of America. Luckily he was not hurt. Take care Joe, and may God bless everyone here on this forum.

          • Joe H.

            Thanks for the kind words! They ARE appreciated!!!

    • 45caliber

      cindy:

      I fully agree. I’m not taking money from the Federal government when I accept a SS check – I’m taking the money I WAS TOLD the government was “saving” for me for retirement. I was told that by the government for about twenty years before they started talking about it as if it was an entitlement they were paying me for simply being a good American as they do now.

      I once did some calculations. Working 45 years (average) and paying SS taxes each year, at 5% interest, would result in a savings of over 1.4 million dollars at the end of that 45 years. The interest alone would be close to $70,000 a year without touching the principal. The problem is that every time the money began to pile up, the politicians couldn’t stand not using it to buy more votes.

  • Speak2Truth

    Once 50% of the population is voting to keep the handouts coming, if the Constitution is ignored and “democracy” rules, then the Socialist State is firmly established.

    The Democrat Party has worked toward this goal for a long time. They have “fundamentally transformed” this nation and most Americans don’t even understand what they have done.

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, American socialist

  • 45caliber

    67 million out of 300 million. Then you add in the people who work for the government – all levels of government. You end up with over 53% of all Americans dependent upon the government for their money while no more than 47% of the rest of us provides the money to them and to ourselves to live on.

    And people wonder why Oblama is elected and why are taxes are so high.

  • Karolyn

    It’s happening again! This time on another computer. No posts are showing up.

    • Joe H.

      must be the carrier in your area. I haven’t had a problem all nite!! None last nite, either!!

  • jopa

    The above report failed to mention everyone in the armed forces is dependant on the US government and 100% of the population is dependant on our armed forces.So it looks like everyone is dependant on the US even the ones on corporate welfare.

  • ranger hall

    I sure hope all the IDIOTS out there that think the Economy is improving reads this.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    Some people just dont get it. Any of it . If You are shurely as well dug in as you claim to be taking any kind of hand out, it escapes common sense. These type of flock will stumble over kick aside ,rebuke or laugh at some very lucrative oppertunity to get into a career that would make a responsible person happy, while pushing ,shoving, and looking for sympathy, on their way looking for a welfare office to get signed up.The biggest problem is they havnt been hungry enough to have vision. Being able to see things as they are and an ability to accept a good thing when they see it..too easy to get govt. handout (because I got it comming)

  • Howard Roark

    Been away for awhile. just checking if I am still able to respond.

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