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Here Comes The Orator!

April 8, 2010 by  

Still trying to sell his Obamacare plan in Charlotte, N.C., last week, President Obama responded to a simple question with a not-so-simple answer.

Is it, a woman named Doris wanted to know, a “wise decision to add more taxes to us with the healthcare” package? “We are over-taxed as it is,” she said.

More than 17 minutes and 2,500 words later, Obama still hadn’t addressed her question.

According to The Washington Post, Obama “wandered from topic to topic, including commentary on the deficit, pay-as-you-go rules passed by Congress, Congressional Budget Office reports on Medicare waste, COBRA coverage, the Recovery Act and Federal Medical Assistance Percentages (he referred to this last item by its inside-the-Beltway name, ‘F-Map’). He talked about the notion of eliminating foreign aid (not worth it, he said). He invoked Warren Buffett, earmarks and payroll tax that funds Medicare (referring to it, in fluent Washington lingo, as ‘FICA’).”

He continued making points after he ticked off three points after saying he had to make one more point—seven points in all.

Finally, even Obama seemed to realize he had gone on too long. As The Post explains, he apologized—in keeping with the spirit of the moment, not once but twice.

“Boy that was a long answer. I’m sorry. I hope I answered your question,” Obama said.

While he didn’t answer Doris, his non-answer soliloquy was answer enough. Besides, he answered it during the campaign when he responded to a similar question from Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher. “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Obama said.

Spreading the wealth around is his goal, but he’s not about to say it that plainly anymore. Besides, he still believes that the majority of Americans oppose Obamacare because they don’t understand it. So he’s going to talk it up and talk it up.

“Here comes the Orator! with his Flood of Words, and his Drop of Reason,” Benjamin Franklin wrote in Poor Richard’s Almanac in 1735.

It looks like old Ben spotted Obama not just a mile away, but about 275 years away.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Johnny

    And how is this different from other politicians? More slam from our friend Bob, here, but no solutions either. Just more to make everyone mad.

    • Scott

      _Any_ politician who laboriously dodges such an important question with this type of rant needs to be rebuked. Whether a city council member or President. The difference is that the President should know better. I think he does know better, and is trying to discourage others from asking that same important question in the future. I don’t need Fox news to tell me that this President should not be trusted at all.

    • tedcrawford

      The solution is very simple, REMOVE ALL PROGRESSIVES FROM OFFICE!!!

  • David

    Why not, Johnny? There is plenty to be mad about.

    And solutions are everywhere if you just take your eyes off of Obama long enough to look

  • Sue

    Solutions were given to Obama in the summit but were ignored by Obama. He said No,we are Not going to start over. Had he listened and actually implemented the alternative healthcare reforms…he would have had American support. The way it went down,over half of Americans did not want what we had jammed down our throats and will be paying for,for generations…to get less. Obama has won the battle but he will lose the war. The United States will stand strong against thes socialist administration.

    • Johnny

      What were the solutions offered? I must of missed that night of Fox News.

      • Don Tremaine

        Johnny,
        There have been many sound ideas, none of them included the federal government takeover of an entire industry. Mostly look at where the problems are and make incremental changes. The ideas were always about the cost and ways to lower them not raise them like Obummercare will. If you stop frivolous medical lawsuits by ambulance chasers, mal-practice insurance will have lower premiums, hence lower doctors fees. If you allow insurance to be sold across state lines, premiums will be reduced through competition. If you disband the AMA and allow as may students that qualify for medical school, to attend; there will be more doctors, hence competition and lower fees. Get the federal government 93,000,000 miles away from peoples everyday lives. No government has ever solved social problems to the satisfaction of the populace. Socialist, marxist, communist, social progressive, social justice, or whatever new name for the same old trash is un-American and unconstitutional. The Constitution and Bill of Rights “protect us from the government”. Do you really want to throw that away?

        • Johnny

          These are good points and should have been included in the bill. However the Republican leadership made a decision to NOT support anything proposed by the Democrats. Rather than fight for what you and I think is right they just sat their and said no. The did nothing for us. Don’t blame Obama for doing what he said he was going to do. It wasn’t a secret that he wanted to reform healthcare. Blame the opposition for not doing enough to stop it. You need to kick out the leaders like John Boner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell and put people in that will actually fight and introduce good sound ideas as oppostion and not just sit on the their hands like a scolded kid and say no, I’m not playing any more. The Republican leadership should be ashamed of it’s self the all Republicans should be ashamed for following their lead. Why do we have 535 representives in the house and senate but only about 10 of them make decissions?

      • Don Tremaine

        Johnny,
        One more point: If someone chooses not to participate in medical insurance, let them, it’s their right not to buy insurance. Don’t give me this “Then the tax payers will need to pay”. That’s the problem; why should the taxpayer foot his bill? Let him pay; even if it takes the rest of his life. It’s not my problem. If you want to help send him your money. The biggest problem with the left is they don’t want to pay either. They want me to pay, because I have a job.
        Don

        • Johnny

          There are some people out there that through their own stupidity choose to have health insurance. I agree we should let them remain uncovered if that is their choice. But then they can not get treatment unless they can pay for it.
          Then you have those just looking for a free ride. These people should be shown that the rest of the country wants them to be successful productive citizens. We should offer them a very low cost government run plan. But it should have restrictions on it. Like you have to have had a job and insurance before, and you can only be on the plan at the extremely low cost for a period of say 5 years. Also you can’t turn 18 and go right into the government plan.
          Then you have those that are just down on their luck. They once had a job but lost it through no fault of their own. The factory closed, Construction stopped, or whatever. These people are the ones that truely need help. If you’re on unemployment there should be a government plan to gover you and your family. Once you get a job and get coverage again then you go off the government plan. But there has to be limitations on it so you don’t get free loaders taking advantage.
          A common thought on this site is that all of those that are not covered and want to be are just free loaders looking or a hand out. Some are, but a lot are not. Some were normal hard working middle class people that are living in now depressed areas and are stuck. They need help. If we could get manufacturing jobs back a lot of problems could be resolved. But no one is fighting to do that, are they?

          • Johnny

            It should be Choose to Not have health insurance. Sorry for my public education.

          • http://N/A Tom

            I have asked my senate people and my congress people these questions,
            and have not recieved an answer… WHY?

            Where does it say you (the government employee) can mandate me to take any action?
            Where do you (the government employee) get the right to tell light bulb makers what kind of bulb to make or an auto company has to make a certain car, etc,?
            Where does the Idea come from that you (our government employee) can tell me I have to buy a certain thing?
            What constitution did you (our government employee) swear to uphold? I only know of our constitution and I do not see where you can tell me I have to make a certain product or buy a certain product.

            What gives you (our government employee) the right to tell me to take an action?

            Clause of Article 1, section 8::
            were the passage containing that clause to be read simply
            as authorizing Congress to tax and spend for the general welfare,
            as some read it today, Congress would have been granted all but
            unlimited power and enumeration of other powers would have been to no
            purpose. THUS, the passage must be read as permitting spending only for enumerated ends; and the clause restricts such spending to the general welfare only, not to the welfare of particular parties. Similarly, the power given to Congress to regulate “commerce among the states” could not have been a power to regulate anything that “affects” commerce, which in principle is everything, for that too would have made pointless any limits imposed by enumeration.
            The Commerce Clause was meant to primarily restrain state power::
            to ensure the free flow of goods and services among
            the states, Congress was given the power to regulate such commerce… to make it “regular.”
            Now go look up the proper clause; limits the means
            available to Congress to those that are “necessary” for executing
            enumerated powers to be our principal defense against overweening
            government…

            I have been ill for 4 years, I have not gone bankrupt, how I don’t know, I have had to ask for help for my hostpital bills, and I DID NOT USE THE GOVERNMENT, there are private, non-profit organizations
            that will help with medical costs. I paid for my first three hosptial visits, and had to ask for help my fourth. I did not take and use any of your tax dollars and I did get my health care. The only reason
            I am broke is because I could not work because of my health.
            The Doctors all took payments even the ones asked for the money up front.

            This take over of the health care system has raised the cost
            of medical care, I looked into insurance last year, could not afford it, looked into it this year, the cost went up more than my income…

            Our elected officials have taken an oath to protect the constitution of The Republic of The United States of America, this health care law, the light bulb thing, the energy thing and the auto thing, are all against these clauses in our constitution. Therefore, in my opionion, our elected officials have broken the oath of office.

            The Democrats had enough votes to stop the Bush stuff, but did they? NO, they voted with the GOP and now they complain about it every time they speak in public.

            This is my opion, but if you read the constituion, and read what our forfathers meant when they wrote it, you will see why this is my opionion.

  • Peter

    We are dealing with a typical lawyer who isn’t at all interested in the truth – but only the appearance of the truth! This man has a gift for obfuscation.

    A simple question, “Is it wise decision to add more taxes to us with the healthcare” package? “We are over-taxed as it is,”, and it takes 17 minutes of mumbo-jumbo to NOT answer he question – typical of the arrogant, narcissistic, egotist who believes the more he talks, the more he answers the question. This man suffers from verbal diarrhea.

    • Don Tremaine

      Peter,
      Right on.

    • s c

      Peter, Obummer has something major in common with Bubba Clinton. Both rely on adoring fans in an audience. When they can’t get that, they react like they’ve been backed into a corner.
      The best way to deal with Obummer is to challenge him each and every time he opens his mouth and dares to EVADE an answer. Do to him what he wants to do to us.
      If he has no plans for being honest, then make him pay for it. His reluctance to be open, honest, transparent and/or responsible means he will VIOLATE his oath of office every time he has a chance.
      When Obummer gets tired of being challenged, his true face will emerge, and that’s the time to give him some extra ‘rope.’ That’s when the court of public opinion will bypass the prostitute media, Obummer’s Clinton-like approach to public speaking, and we’ll be rid of him.

  • Ron O.

    David is right. The first solution, we start by voting out ALL incumbents. Yes, we’ll be voting out some good ones, but in the end, a message will be sent to our elected officials that they are NOT omnipotent, they can and will be replaced. Number two, start holding them accountable for their oath of office. To not uphold their oath to protect and defend the Constitution is a breach of trust and in some cases, even treason. Do you know what the prescribed punishment for treason is? Let that punishment be applied even once and these elected officials WILL get their butts aligned with the people. Over the last 40 years, our elected officials have worked hard to eliminate their accountability to us and have done a good job of it even to the point that they give thmselves pay raises whenever they want without our consent or concern while we don’t even get so much as a cost of living raise. All we get is more taxes to pay for their exagerated life styles and whims. They have not been the public’s voice, rather individuals basking in the assumed importance of their positions which they arrogantly abuse. There are individuals who are running for office who have come forward and vowed to uphold the values of our founding fathers and return our nation to a Republic, which is what it was intended to be (not a Democracy) by design of our founders. Three, demand that a new amendment be added to the Bill of Rights declaring that no law shall be passed by congress that applies to the three governing bodies that does not apply equally to the citizenry and no law shall be passed that applies to the citizenry that does not apply equally to the three governing bodies. In other words, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Finally, make sure our schools return to their intended role as primary educators, not government directed political brainwashers. Make sure our kids are taught about what we as a nation have gone through to be the only truely free nation on this planet and why we must constantly remain vigil so that these corrupt politicians with socialist/marxist visions don’t become imbedded in our system to corrupt it. Teach our kids American History as it has happened including this era.

    • Jerry Mobley

      Ron O.
      Is also very right. I might add that outlawing lobbyist would also make Congress more accountable to “we the people”. The confict of intrests and corruption caused by these groups is a major problem in our society.

      • Mark D.

        Jerry,
        Repeal the 17th Amendment if you want to reduce the effects of lobbyists. If Senators were appointed (as the Constitution directed), they would not need lobbyist money to fuel their campaigns. Senators would become much more interested in working on behalf of their respective states – and you and me – than any special interest group.

        • Johnny

          So you are willing to give up your freedom to pick your own Senator and let your state pick for you? You think there is no coruption in your state government? What state do you live in?
          Why not just vote out your senator when they come up for re-election? How many Senators are up for Re-Election this year? 38? What if we got 38 new faces in the Senate and 435 in the house in Nov. Tell them, we don’t care how much money you’re given to campaign with, we’re not going to vote for the same old business as usual politics that we have had for 100 years. Jusy look at Poor old John McCain. Making a fool out himself, lowering himself to Palin Campaign for him. He should just decide to Not seek re-election. He’s how old now? 80? That would make more sense than fighting and ugly battle just in the primary. Personally I hope he loses the primary. He’s old and losing it. Also Harry Reid, I hope he’s not re-elected again. He’s not a very good leader either. But that’s up to the people in those states.

          • Joel Johnston

            Ron, that is a tight core plan. Be sure to see Bob’s latest post about Davy Crockett and Mr. Bunce. I recommend reading the expanded account in its entirety. We need to unite and expel the incumbents that do not commit to uphold the Constitution and make whole changes to shed our political garden of the tangled hedge that surrounds it. We the People cannot see our government and We do not buy the rotten fruit coming out of it. The Tea Party is the most relevant means of organizing to make this happen. Get involved in your local Tea Party and voice your CONDITIONAL support IF the party is united to demand a unilateral overhaul of the government in accordance with the Constitution. I’m not a politician by any means but I believe that if our forbears were brave enough to lay their lives on the line to defend the Constitution of this Republic, then that is reason enough for me to channel my passion to do the same using peaceful means if possible.

            As for the Johnny’s…you are the pepper in many arguments and offer circular criticism. If you believe in reclaiming the eroded free ground that our fathers died to earn then you will do your part to defend the Constitution and our free way of life in both your words and actions. Criticsm aimed at disrupting focus or for the purpose of drawing others into heated arguments over minutia is not productive and worth no further response. No education is required to understand that if you don’t know where you are going, all roads will lead you there. Grab your musket or stay behind to care for the children.

    • Don Tremaine

      We can’t just vote out all incumbents. Some of them are good. The bad ones are mostly democrats and progressives. The most important issues are usually vote up or down by party line. For me it sends a clear message about the “Right” side. All socialists and progressives should be voted out. That will include some RINOs.
      Don

      • Johnny

        Name one good one

    • Publius

      Ron O.
      You made a point I have espoused many times. If we erected a gallows by the back entrance of the Capital – and used it when appropriate – we would have a much better behaved Congress.
      A major problem is that our legislatures, including Federal, are full of lawyers. A lawyer is molded to follow the TV show’s best line: “Truth is relative. Pick one that works for you.” Would it be possible to disqualify lawyers from running for public office?

  • http://Adultbloggingisfunny! Rhea

    Why people say he is a great orator, I’ll never understand. You loose in communication if the other party misses the point … You failed to communicate if ‘they don’t get it’ … or could it be that there is NO point to the story. This prez is still an empty suit. He has only one agenda … the “what’s in it for me” thought … and level the playing field financially and militarily … share the power … poor guy leterally has major mental problems. May be okay for the basketball court but not for the global court.

  • J-net

    Even as children we learn to listen and to learn and act on that knowledge. This is something Mr. President needs to learn.

  • Carl J Smith

    I find it a sad commentary that we seemingly send some good intentioned people to Washington and once they get there they become indoctrinated by the insiders. Let me make this point, I did not support nor did I vote for President Obama, however I do respect the office in which he resides. It just seems to me that our politicians that we, as voters, have sent to Washington have forgotten how the Constitution begins ~ “We the People”. I believe they think it starts ~ “We the Congress and Senate”. With the healthcare reform bill that they signed into law, that a vast majority of Citizens were against, shows that their arrogance is first and foremost in their minds.

    Why do we keep voting attorneys into office? They get schooled in double speak. You know what I mean, they answer your question in a way that you think that they told you what you wanted to hear, just so they can come back at a later date and tell you that they told you something completely different or opposite of what you thought ~ “Brilliant”. Yet like Lemmings, we continue to vote the same people, year after year back into the same office. I think that this legislation is a definite sign that we need to seriously consider term limitations for both the Senate and Congress. Besides, our founding fathers never intended for these offices to be lifetime positions. They were intended to get representation for the states and get the Citizens involved.

    Our goal in all of this should be to get the authority back to where it has always been intended ~ The Citizens of the United States of America. All of us VOTERS need to do a little more than just cast our vote, during this next election. We all need to ensure that those who talk but never vote, get off their collective back sides and due their civic duty. That is what I intend to do and I hope that you will do the same.

    • Johnny

      The Constitution of the United States

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

      http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Preamble

  • Randy

    “Here comes the Orator! with his Flood of Words, and his Drop of Reason,” Benjamin Franklin wrote in Poor Richard’s Almanac in 1735.

    In other words, If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit!

    • KerryO

      EXACTLY! I’VE BEEN BAFFLED SINCE AL GORE TRIED TO MOVE INTO BILL CLINTON’S WHITE HOUSE.

  • http://Adultbloggingisfunny! Rhea

    Hey guys … let promote a new ‘reality show’ for TV … one success story after another of free enterprise … the world lives in a different reality. Let’s tell them a thing or do to raise the level of awareness for what makes this country great and can create wealth. Strange to me that dems don’t seem to understand that even the government is more successful if ‘we the people’ are let loose to grow!!!!

    • pete

      Let’s start with Massey Energy in West Virginia.
      Ignor safety problems so you can make your bottom line bigger so the CEO can take home a few million more each year. So what if people get hurt or killed, there’s always more people that are willing to do the work.

      • Joel Johnston

        Well intended Rhea. Unfortunately there are people like Peter who find joy in mocking a desire for success in capitalism. There are many such examples of business success stories that would lift the spirits. I am sure that the employees of such companies are thankful for a business leaders having the fortitude to operate a business in an increasingly hostile environment. Progressives, liberals, democrats, pagans, self-entitled…whatever they are, they are the people that think the evil rich should be roasted on a spit and eaten. So go ahead take the last big bite from the rich and then crap all over your own nest.

  • Mik B.

    Palin/Bachmann in 2012. Real answers to real problems.

    Palin and Bachmann are GOP hits because they simply have “it”. If you think “it” means they are both just a couple of pretty faces then you are missing the entire point. The “it” factor is a combination of authenticity, a home-spun Americano flavor that resonates in the heartland of this country and fiery and passionate rhetoric. The fact that they are both attractive sure doesn’t hurt but to say that beauty is the main reason is naïve.

    Palin/Bachmann in 2012?

  • Claude

    Mik B says Palin/Bachmann in 2012. I second the proposition.
    Patriotic American ladies are going to save this nation while real men are awol.

  • s c

    There are many things that need to be said about about this ‘prez.’ First, if he can’t (or won’t) answer a simple question in 17 minutes or less, then he’s hiding something. I suspect he’s used to getting away with saying little or nothing. He reles on adoring, nonthinking crowds to keep people uninformed and confused.
    Does he ‘speak’ better with or without a teleprompter? Did he learn the fine art of semantics while he was at Haavid? Do all saul alinsky disciples talk like Obummer?
    Last, as Obummer has been in the White House for over a year, his refusal to answer a short, simple question makes a very strong case for the idea that he has much to hide, he has no idea what true transparency is, he will continue to try and misinform as long as he can and (get used to it, folks) Obummer is anything but a leader. Between Haavid and Chicago, he didn’t learn enough to stay in Congress, let alone lead America.
    Chalk up yet another useful idiot, world-class LOSER for the ultraliberal progressives.

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