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Hastening The March To A North American Union And Global Governance

May 7, 2012 by  

Hastening The March To A North American Union And Global Governance
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The ultimate goal of the elites is to create a one world socialist government.

The march toward a union of the United States, Canada and Mexico — and ultimately global government — continues apace.

The ultimate goal of the elites is to create a one world socialist government. They have succeeded in combining most of Europe into a European Union (though the economic disaster there caused by the excessive corruption of the banksters, who overplayed their hands, may cause it to fly apart and the euro to crash). But even now we hear of a sinister plot by a covert group of EU foreign ministers who want to gain sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union.

The group holding the secret talks (excluding a representative from Great Britain) is called the “Berlin Group” of Europhile politicians and is being led by the German foreign minister. Its goal, according to opponents, is to create a modern-day equivalent of the European emperor envisioned by Napoleon Bonaparte or a return to the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne that dominated Europe in the Dark Ages.

“This is a plot by people who want to abolish nation states and create a United States of Europe,” said Lord David Stoddart of Swindon, who for many years chaired the Campaign for an Independent Britain. “The whole thing is barmy. These people are determined to achieve their final objective.”

The drive by the elites to form a united North America has been going on for many years and must be accomplished before the elites’ goal of global governance can be realized. It has been dismissed as conspiracy theory nuttery by the elites, even as they wrote policy papers and books on the subject. As we noted last year, cables released by WikiLeaks show that a single North America is the goal of the banksters and corporatist thieves.

But President Barack Obama, who was chosen to carry out this task by those who really rule the world, has worked hard to speed the process along. He was selected during a secret meeting with the Bilderberg group at its conference in Chantilly, Va., in June 2008. It’s a meeting that was not announced to the press pool covering the Obama campaign until the reporters had been locked on Obama’s campaign plane. Campaign spokesman Robert Gibbs was glib with reporters who at the time protested the secrecy of the meeting. (The original Associated Press version of this story has been scrubbed from the Internet and only heavily edited versions can be found using Google.)

Recent executive orders signed by Obama with little or no coverage by the corporatist mainstream media reveal the progress of the elites’ intentions. One was signed in February 2011, and it was a major step in erasing the border between the United States and Canada. It was a continuation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) that was begun by George W. Bush in 2005.

The second one signed by Obama last week under the guise of streamlining U.S. regulations to make it easier for U.S. companies to compete globally, makes the U.S. comport to regulations set by the world.

“Today’s executive order marks a paradigm shift for U.S. regulators by directing them to take the international implications of their work into account in a consistent and comprehensive way,” Sean Heather, vice president of the chamber’s Center for Global Regulatory Cooperation, said in an e-mailed statement, according to a report in Businessweek.com

In an April 30 op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, White House Regulation Czar Cass Sunstein wrote:

More generally, President Obama has worked closely with his Canadian and Mexican counterparts to create High-Level Regulatory Cooperation Councils with both countries. The councils are developing and implementing plans to eliminate or prevent the creation of unnecessary burdens on cross-border trade, streamline regulatory requirements, and promote greater certainty for the general public and for businesses in the regulation of food, pharmaceuticals, nanotechnology and other areas.

Obama is a globalist, as his Defense Secretary Leon Panetta revealed in a Congressional hearing when he said the Administration would defer to the U.N. and NATO rather than Congress when deciding when and where to send the U.S. military.

Obama’s actions have served to strengthen the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the World Trade Organization, all to the benefit of the banksters who control him and to the detriment of the people he’s supposed to represent. The IMF, World Bank and WTO are simply piggy banks for the corporatists to use to their benefit as they loot and pillage economies around the globe, as John Perkins points out in his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

Of course, there will be many who will claim there is no evidence that America is in danger of being absorbed into the global community under the auspices of the U.N. or some as-yet devised agency. But that would be a denial of basic facts.  And, by the way, they were saying much the same about the EU at the time it was being created. The elites don’t go for Hail Marys; they do things incrementally. Gradualism is their game. They are patient, but insidious and determined liars.

Brookings Institution President Strobe Talbott, who was deputy Secretary of State under Bill Clinton, wrote in a 1992 Time Magazine article: “I’ll bet that within the next hundred years (I’m giving the world time for setbacks and myself time to be out of the betting game, just in case I lose this one), nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority.”

Bilderberger Henry Kissinger, speaking of the North American Free Trade Agreement, once said: “What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system… a first step toward a new world order.”

He believed Obama would be the one who would finally bring the new world order into being. In January 2009, days before Obama’s inauguration, Kissinger said: “The president-elect is coming into office at a moment when there is upheaval in many parts of the world simultaneously. You have India, Pakistan; you have the jihadist movement. So he can’t really say there is one problem, that it’s the most important one. But he can give new impetus to American foreign policy partly because the reception of him is so extraordinary around the world. His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a new world order can be created. It’s a great opportunity, it isn’t just a crisis.”

And Obama knows what his job is. In a speech he delivered in Prague last year on nuclear weapons, Obama said, “All nations must come together to build a stronger, global regime.”

This new world order would end American sovereignty and turn America into nothing more than a socialist puppet state of the U.N. or some other as-yet revealed entity.

The elites are further along in Europe. It is a road map for where they want to move America.

Bilderbergers Again Meeting In Virginia

As mentioned earlier, the Bilderberg group met in Chantilly the summer prior to the 2008 election and selected Obama as the next President. So is it just a coincidence that the secretive confab of global movers and shakers is set to meet again in Chantilly this summer?

Bilderberg watchers have noted that the Westerfields Marriot Washington Dulles hotel, site of the Bilderberg meeting in both 2002 and 2008, is fully booked from May 31-June 3. The group meets annually to determine the big issues of the coming year.

But don’t expect any coverage from the corporatist MSM. They are merely mouthpieces for the establishment and know what they can and can’t say. And they aren’t invited unless they’ve proven themselves trustworthy.

“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years,” David Rockefeller said in a speech leaked from a Bilderberger meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in 1991. “It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

The growth of the alternative media on the Internet has slowed down that march. But the elites continue to work hard to get the Internet – and, therefore, the message — under their control.

More On Senator Marco Rubio

Florida Senator Marco Rubio is being heavily vetted by the global movers and shakers and Mitt Romney may soon have orders to name Rubio as his Vice President. In April, Rubio flew commercial to attend the Summit of the Americas. Even the less-than-forthcoming Washington Post found it curious that Rubio was the only Senator on the Senate Foreign Relations committee to attend the meeting, and that he went to such effort to get there.

Last week, I explained the ramifications of Rubio’s audition appearance before Brookings, a policy arm of the Bilderberg group. The Post pointed out the similarities between Rubio’s appearances and John Edwards’ appearance at the Bilderberg conference in 2004, just before he was selected as John Kerry’s running mate.

Watch for a Virginia trip by Rubio, if that’s indeed where the Bilderbergers hold their conference. This is further evidence of the fallacy of the left/right paradigm that consumes so much political discourse today.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Sirian

    Have been aware of the NAU push for several years. Dr. Corsi wrote his book “The Late Great USA” back in 2007. There has been plenty of info available on this subject for several years too – verifiable, info. Do not be surprised if towards the end of this year, if possibly not before November, with our economy in the pits, the dollar slipping away, deficits at extremes and who knows what the Bilderbergers meeting will produce as the next plan, that our economy will once again be on the verge of or already reached a point of total collapse. With that Obummer calls for an “Economic Summit” between the U.S., Canada & Mexico. In so doing they will come to an emergency agreement to merge our economies into one with that as being the only path they will “say” is possible to save us – North American Union. This in turn will lead to a single currency controlled by a central bank – the FED. So many have scoffed at merely the idea of a NAU but between Dr. Corsi’s book, tons of other information to verify this (research it a bit) seminars that have been held about what is in the works behind the scenes, it is very much real and has been growing annually. Just as the U.N.’s Agenda 21 has too. A prime example of this being true, not simply another story to catch peoples attention, like 2012 doomsday, is when Mexico’s former president, Vicente Fox was here in Tulsa shortly after the end of his term. He gave an interview to one of our local TV stations and stated quite openly that that is exactly what they are planning and pushing to accomplish. All you Bush haters out there, grin, for he and Fox were very close on this subject. Why do you think our southern border has never been “locked down”? This is a movement that will take everyone by surprise especially since the majority are totally unaware of it or blow it off as a bunch of poppycock. Open borders, one currency, central bank and essentially a removal of our Constitution. Don’t worry, Obummer will come riding in on his white stallion and save everyones SS & Medicare by moving us into a North American Union. Oh yes, don’t worry, the war on women will come to an end very quickly. The utopians are much closer to reaching their goal than most realize.

    • Warrior

      The plan to get rid of all the debt problems will be a one world currency.

      http://www.debtrealignment.com/

      • Sirian

        Good article Warrior! Isn’t much of a surprise to me though since who knows what else is going on “behind the scenes”. This does sound as if it too is tied into Agenda 21, NAU etc. What gets me the most is that so many people laugh at things like this since they can’t find the courage to face the truth. American Idol or Survivor hold more importance than this? No wonder the world now looks at we Americans as nothing more than a simple simon.

      • Tom W.

        Good mornin’ ALL, pray for the George Lindsey family, God rst your soul Goob! LOL!!!:(
        Bob, I know you still aren’ty talkin’ to me but I feel I have to tell you what an excellent piece this is! FINALLY!!! Someone is tellin’ the truth in an open public forum which justs goes to PROVE the point that their window of oportunity is closing FAST!!! BE ALERT, VIGILENT, JUST PLAIN ON YOUR TOES!!! ANY THING IS LIABLE TO HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE! DO NOT BE SHOCKED, AND WE MUST NOT OVER-REACT!!! THAT WOULD TRIGGER A CALL FOR MARSHALL LAW AND THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL! GOD BE WITH US!!!
        EXCELLENT piece Bob!!! If you’ve never seen these two documentaries and aren’t real familiar with the things that Bob is revealing here, both of these are excellent! I pray that they aren’t completely correct because if the charges they allogate against our government are true, WE the PEOPLE are in for a FIGHT folks!!! BE READY!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

        Is your lamp trimmed and BURNING?!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not LOOKIN’ up(Luke 21:28), you SURELY to GOD must be BLIND!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) Surely you don’t want to be TOLD to go hangout with the GOATS!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) Keep your eyes on the skies, JESUS IS COMIN’! He LOVES y’all and so do I!!!

      • FreedomFighter

        In the process they the NWO will exterminate vast numbers of human beings, 6 to 7 billion to reach the UTOPIAN number of 500 million.

        No you are not one of them that survives to be a slave. Those slaves will be as in the movie Brave new world, genectically manipulated beings as the elite set themselves up as genetically enhanced gods to travel the cosmos.

        Sick you say? Look it up, thats what they say.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        Europeans voted on the European Union for better or for worse and for some countries it’s great and for others it’s a mess. When Germany was alone and had separate powers how did that fair for Europe. Two World Wars and millions dead so individual sovereignty can give a nation too much power to dominate others also. It depends on what works best for any country in trade and in avoiding wars. I’m still against NAFTA and that was pushed by the business community for better trade. We got the short end of the stick with that deal and the NAU may be no different.

      • Tom W.

        And just who do you think is runnin’ the EU now eddie?! Duhh…

        http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/finance-public-debt.eu7

      • Michael J.

        In one of John Wayne’s finest movies, “The Shootist”. He is in one scene with the town doctor played by Jimmy Stewart, discussing the fact that he has terminal cancer or what was then called consumption. As the scene unfolds The Duke asks the Doc, “Can’t ya just cut it outa me Doc?” Then Stewart replies, “I’d hafta gutcha like a fish”.

        Our beloved homeland today is in a similar state of peril. So complete is the infestation of these radical socialist, that In the same way that the picture on your TV is made up of thousands or millions of pixels, so too are the number of contingents arrayed against us that when combined form a picture of Obama grinning. Our nation is being consumed by a stealthy slow death cancer that like a parasite, requires a living host in order to survive. I don’t pretend to have the cure, I don’t think anyone does. I do think that when a true leader steps up to the plate, he or she will have multitudes of followers.

        The newest catch phrase from the NWO bag of tricks is Global Debt Realignment. According to them this would:

        “Debt realignment frees up resources, reestablishes credit and liquidity, and provides the means for vast global job creation”

        Their description of this “Brave New World” fails to mention that it would also require the adoption of a world currency and the surrendering of national sovereignty by all countries that wish to reap the benefits of a reduced debt, fresh start.

        Now we begin to understand why Obama and henchman claimed that unprecedented deficit spending simply doesn’t matter, as long as you were privy to the plan of all debts to soon be reduced or forgotten. The out of control spending was also required in order to bring us to the point of global blackmail, once the world is on it’s knees financially, it will submit to anything to survive. Like starving rodents tempted by the promise of cheese, into the trap we go.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        This is to eddie47d, you say “Two World Wars and millions dead so individual sovereignty can give a nation too much power to dominate others also. It depends on what works best for any country in trade and in avoiding wars.” So, are you saying that it’s a bad idea for one individual nation to have power to dominate others but that it’s better to have one group who can dominate everybody? If that is what you are saying then how in the world does that even make any sense? I don’t want to disagree with you unless I understand the point you’re really trying to make. I don’t understand your comment.

      • JeffH

        Michael J, great analogy with the “Shootist” scene and 100% spot on.

        Katrael, don’t waste too much time on eddie. He’s so contradicting and really doesn’t have much of a clue about what he says…and he’s dominated by his liberal motions…which makes him say anything at anytime with a heavy dose of irrelevance tossed in between.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          JeffH, I’m learning a lot from this site. I only thought that it was the liberals that I knew who were incoherent but after eddie, nc and others I’m beginning to say that it must be some kind of a genetic defect.

          I appreciate these liberals here. I get to finish a thought before they can say anything. It also gives a person a chance to do a little research so that a person can offer a real intelligent comment which is something that I notice these guys rarely do.

          The Shootist. I haven’t seen that one. Should be good.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Oh, take it from me Katrael, you can go ahead with the lambastin’, you disagree with him! LOL!!! You’re more than welcome to suffer the mental terture of listening to his Kool-Aiid intoxicated libtard nonsense if you must, but I must warn ya Bro, you’re steppin’ out where angels fear to tread!!! By the way Katrael Could you give me some info or link to check out what we were discussin’ yesterday?! I’m interested to know who was doin’ the impregnatin’? The head priests of the cult? To whom were the eggs given?!! One of the shock rumors and SICKEST things that I’ve heard about the abortion industry is that the aborted fetuses are sold to countries where they are considered a delicacy!!!

        http://madgaboon.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/human-fetus-as-delicacy-in-china/

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Tom W. that information about the virgins? I believe that I got that info from a guy named Lou White. The first name may be wrong but I’m fairly sure of the second. He wrote a book called “Fossilized Customs” and he covers the things we talked about and many more. I believe that info came from that book. I did some research on some of the things he brings up and he was at least accurate on those that I checked out. This was almost fifteen years ago and that I read his book. It’s not a very big book and I got several copies but I don’t have any because I loaned them out and never got them back. I’ll get you that information you want but It might take me a little while.

          Aborted human fetus delicacies? Cannibalism on this scale is considered a sign of a distressed organism or community. It’s often seen in the animal kingdom and on occasions within human populations. The Scriptures speak of it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Thanx Katrael, the study of pagan religion fascinates me, it wasn’t until I started studying these things that I learned about the ancient Kelts and how they used to sacrifice their children to the Keltic god of corn and milk! And that it was St. Patrick who abolished the practice and the true story behind the holiday that bears his name!!! Which makes one wonder, why the cover-up?!! Isn’t that something that you would want people to know?!! I mean unless of course you’re Irish, and I am a little! Aye!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3joJU4gvs

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., Though I haven’t yet found the information that I’m looking for on the net I know that child sacrifices, especially the ones that are conducted with innocent are conducted by the millions each year here in this country and abroad to the god of self.

          • CardinalMo

            To Katrael and TomW
            Quite a number of cultures have sacrificed life to the Gods. I imagine more cultures than not performed either sacrifice and infantcide. I sure am glad I live now. I think people are a bit more just. However, when I really think about it. Life is life and the modern culture certainly does it’s share during wars. How many women, children, and elderly are murdered by soldiers all over the world? So, I guess all in all we haven’t changed all that much. No need to think we are so elevated above the hunter gathers or the pagans. What is a pagan? “.A person who holds religious beliefs other than those of the main world.” from Compact Oxford English Dictionary. “The origin of the word is latin – paganus…meaning villager, later civilian. …i.e. a person who was not a “soldier” in Christs army.” So paganism is as more than likely asdiverse as all cultures and religions who are not Christian.

            Even Abraham was about to sacrifice his son under “gods order” until god stopped him at the last moment. Pretty crazy stuff if you ask me. Since God knows everthing why did God have to test Abraham’s faith? That was a pretty pagan concept to me.

          • Patty

            Do you have an opinion on under what god abortions fall under?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Patty, I can’t speak for Tom W. but in my opinion abortions are required by the god of self. I don’t know of any culture that made a practice of abortion on the scale that our modern cultures do. I say it is the god of self since abortion for the most part is the woman’s choice.

          • Patty

            I find it to be a very selfish act. For someone to take out their lack of responsibilty on an innocent human being. I know others would disagree, and they may/can, but they will never convince me otherwise. To hold your own living flesh and blood in your arms for the first time, is a miracle to me.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Patty, I find your response to be most refreshing and I only wish that more people could feel the same way you do. The vast majority of abortions are the result of a self centered ego.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, in my opinion mankind hasn’t had time enough to change in the last couple of thousand years since Abraham and mankind is still the same way now as he was back then. Hitler has been mentioned many times in comments here and it’s enough to give a person the willies thinking about the stories about the gruesome experiments that were conducted on living conscious people.

            When you think about it mankind doesn’t need a Satan to torture him when he’ll do it all by himself. Will there ever be another time as dark as the ones that are recorded in the history books? I think so. If you take away the moral restraints then there is nothing to stop the mind of man from doing what it imagines. The only thing Satan does is to keep mankind deceived into believing that it doesn’t need those morals anymore.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          http://www.freewebs.com/fossilizedcustoms/FossilizedCustoms.pdf

          Tom W. the link above is to a pdf version of Fossilized Customs by Lew White. I did have the first name wrong. The good thing about it is that this version is free so if you don’t like it or disagree with it you won’t be out anything. I believe the man is correct about most of what he writes. The problem I’ve run into is in finding documentation for his some of his claims. I feel that a lot of what he talks about is being expunged from the common history books if it could even ever be found by a casual search for this information. I found this out about a simple thing like the names of the days of the week. Some dictionaries have this information and most don’t. I ended up having to go to the University Library to do research and even there it was a difficult job. The internet has made some of this easier but it’s still hard to find it unless you’re fairly sure about certain details. I had this author’s name wrong but I knew the book title so it came up easy. In the mean time I’ll be searching for more info on those virgins.

      • daniel

        Eddie you are correct. The europeans did vote the EU in on a country by country referendum. It was the politicians of these countries that sold the idea to them. For some as has been found out since it was an opportunity to get access to a bigger fatter checkbook for themselves. Look at the PIGS now and you can figure out who they were. We need to be careful ourselves and not follow the same trap that europe is in now. Look at Germany. They have a prosperous economy according to some and yet they are in the position of having to underwrite bad loans to people that they know have no way of paying the money back. They also have to take care of their own.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Kaltrael you said: “Will there ever be another time as dark as the ones that are recorded in the history books? I think so.”

        It’s never ended – goes on daily all around us.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Libertytrain, thanks and that’s why we have to constantly struggle to maintain balance.

    • CardinalMo

      Sirian, Have you read the complete UN Agenda 21?

      When it comes to this issue EU and NAU I am absolutely not in agreement with globalization. In fact I believe this is completely the wrong approach to our world problems. Yes we do need an organization in which all nations can agree on issues such as how to handle protection of human rights, environmental degregation, rules of engagement in wars, peace keeping, and open dialogue between nation states. One world government will never work. The EU is not working! We need to be able to get along with our neighbors however, all nations need to be able to be independent. This Globalization is about Corporations…and the powers they have over all of us. When it comes to Germany being in control of a global government, well they have a pretty long history of involvement in wars and trying to control and run over other peoples. Weren’t they part of the barbarian group other people so feared? Have you noticed how governments always use the economy, jobs, and education as their cry to get support. The people are not to bright because they in nation after nation fall for the lie..and the economies, job situations and education keeps getting worse. I’m telling you Corporations and the power they have are totally in charge of the world and we already have a dictatorship by these corporations. If we really want to solve our problems we will break these corporations up, regulate them, jail them and whatever it takes to take away their power. They have completely destroyed the free market enterprise system and are removing our freedoms on a daily basis. They can snoop into your life in ways the government never dreamed of. And, they can ruin your life too. . You have no rights and no privacy when it comes to corporations. I’m not talking about your small businesses which are incorporated. I’m talking about the Global corporations who keep running out of markets to play in. They have one goal…to gobble the markets around the world, to put down all forms of competition. To do this they have to have a centeralized world government they can buy to support their wants and greed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I disaree with you on one point CardinalMo, I believe that a ONE world government would work, one of THE PEOPLE, by THE PEOPLE, and for THE PEOPLE! We haven’t haven’t even seen true fruition of our own government yet but in the words oy Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., “We hold these TRUTHS to be sejf-evident…”(emphasis mine)!!! What a lot of people fail to grasp is the FACT that we’re the ONLY nation that was EVER founded on the principle that ALL humans are EQUAL in the eyes of the ALMIGHTY!!! If WE as a PEOPLE could live by the TWO, that’s right just two, commandments that Jesus gave us to live by, I believe this world could live together as ONE and once again become the BEAUTIFUL creation that God originally GAVE us!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xjPODksI08

        There is no hiding place from the Father of creation!!! No Bob there sure isn’t!

        • CardinalMo

          Well first the United States has to become a Direct Democracy, so that the people really are the ultimate power. Then we have to get the rest of the world to become a Direct Democracy. Then what? The whole world becomes Christian? I don’t think you’ll get Americans to do that let alone the rest of the world. Not unless Jesus really does come down from a cloud…

          I will forever believe that we the people need to Foil the Mega Corps. No one seems to care about this part of the equation…

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Oh ye of little faith…

          • CardinalMo

            Tom. You really know nothing about my faith…so get off of it. I’m not going there like I did with Charlie. There is no point to discussing Religious beliefs when we are speaking about politics and problems which we might just be able to solve, if we can stick to the topic.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        CardinalMo – very nicely said.

        • CardinalMo

          Thank you Libertytrain

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Libertytrain you better get off that looong black one and I ain’t talkin ’bout O’s johnson!!! CardinalMo I’m prayin for ya, that God will open your understanding cause if you can’t see where the lack of God fearing morality in this coountry is DIRECTLY effecting our politics, educational system, health care system, economy, etc. then there probably isn’t any hope for ya, but you’re in my prayers anywho!!!
        Hey Lt, we’re gettin’ a choo-choo motiff goin’ here! Where’s your momma tonight?! You’re usally not to far away from her coat tails!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbSbAWp7Jo

        • CardinalMo

          To Tom from CardinalMo, How do you define morality Tom? How do you suppose we make people obey the ten commandments?

          • Tom W.

            I think that Jesus defined morality better than I ever could in his parable of the “Good Samaritan” CM!
            Let’s see, where do I want to start here cause you Mz. Teacher, have pushed my button! First of all, I’m 53 yrs. old and no longer have any children in today’s school system. (Thank God!!!) As far as being involved with the PTA, maybe I should get more involved but would’nt want the consequences that result from the stress of arguin’ with you bunch of overeducated idiots ALL THE TIME!!! What ever happened to y’all just teachin’ the three R’s, and lettin’ the parents teach the children their values and ideologies?!! If a child isn’t bein’ taught not to steal at home, it won’t be long till they learn that it is wrong.
            You can not make anyone obey the 10 commandments!!! When was the last time you broke one of them CM?! 5, 10, 15 mins. ago?!! You miss the whole point!!! Actually there are 613 commandments in the first five books of the Bible, also known as the Torah to the Jewish people, did you know that teacher? Jesus said that if you break the least of them, you might as well of broken them all!!! The 10 commandments (And I love Ted Kopple’s assessment that they aren’t suggestions!) were never given as law but as an example of why we need a Savior!!! Duh…
            Now as to the last time I picked up a book, let me tell you the story of a young man who had just turned 35 yrs. of age and thought he had it all figured out, although he didn’t think hiimself a genius, he thought he was fairly enlightened havin’ grown up in fairly diverse surroundings and had PROUDLY graduated from the college of HK. Well something happened to this young man one night, let’s just call it a “Road to Damascus” experience.
            Like I said this young man who always had thought that he was fairly intellegent, found out that he didn’t know jack ’cause he had always left God out of the equation! Do you know why the Bible states that “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Because once you TRULY fear God, you’ll quit doin’ those things you THOUGHT you were gettin’ away with when nobody is watchin’, ’cause you understand that Somebody’s ALWAYS watchin’!!! Oh yeah, it’s me, and like I said I thought I had it ALL figured out. There I stood in my self-righteousness, CONVICTED by the Holy Ghost! It’s not a pretty sight when you see yourself through God’s eyes!!! “Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound that saved a WRETCH like me!” (Emphasis mine!!!) Since accepting Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior, I’ve read and studied more than I EVER studied when I was in school! It has TRULY been the GREATEST leaning experience of my LIFE, to sit and learn at the feet of THE TEACHER!!!
            How about you CM, ready to go back to school?!! Is your lamp trimmed and burning? (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not looking up, (Luke 21:28) you surely to God must be blind!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) Surely you don’t don’t want to be TOLD to go hang out with the GOATS!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) Jesus is coming CardinalMo! He loves ya and so do I!!! I pray that you’ll get ready! You may pray a prayer similar to this: “Dear God, I know that You love me. I admit that I’m a sinner. Please forgive me for my sins. I place my faith in Jesus as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.” If you prayed that prayer and meant it with all your heart, know for a certainty that it is impossible for God to lie! (Rom. 10:13) This is what it means to be born-again! (John 3:3) Go find yourself a church, forget about a perfect one, they don’t exist. Surround yourself with Christian friends, they won’t be perfect either, that’s why we need Jesus! Emmerce yourself in Gods’ Word so you’ll know how to fight off ole’ nick. (Eph. 6:13-18) YOU’RE IN THE ARMY NOW SOLDIER!!! And now it’s your job to bring as many lost sheep back into the fold as possible. (Matt. 5:14-16) What?!! Did you think it was going to be easy? (II Tim. 3:12) God be with you! I wish for everyone who reads this letter to know that the writer is a certified Jesus nut with plenty of documentation to prove it!

          • CardinalMo

            Tom, I like this parable of The Sheep and the Goats. Do you mind telling us exactly what it means? Or can you define this passage without relying on more quotes. You are very good at spitting out quotes but seem to be lost as to any definitions. I asked you about your definition of morality. How does society approach this problem of lack of values? The way I see it is that, a lot of people throughout history have been harmed by societies attempts to control/direct/protect the souls of others.

            And by what authority do you judge the heart of others? What laws do we implement in our nation so that all may live as Christians? That is the ultimate goal right? Do we create a Democratic/Theocracy? Would that work for you? Don’t forget to pluck the thorn out of your own eye.

          • Tom W.

            Well for one thing CM, I don’t listen to any preachin’ from a pagan! If you don’t know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, that’s what you are! I don’t care whether you say you’re an atheist or what, you’re a pagan!!! Second, yes that’s the goal, and we’re almost there!!! Once Christ returns, that’s ALL that’s going to inhabit this earth is Christians! Everybody else’ll be swimmin’ laps in the Lake of Fire! They won’t be stroken, THEY’LL BE SMOKIN’!!! The only thing that we’re ALLOWED to judge is our own heart and mine has undergone exstensive self-examination! Even my best intentions have underlying SELFISH motives!

          • CardinalMo

            You didn’t define the quote…Get off the soap box for awhile. Get to the core of the meaning of the quote.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I love your comment up until you said this: “Actually there are 613 commandments in the first five books of the Bible, also known as the Torah to the Jewish people,” Torah was given to all of Israel and not just the Jews.

            Tom W. I may have acted hastily, and I’m good at that but, I’m going to leave my short comment about what I quoted from you alone, but as I sit here I think I know what you meant: you were speaking about the Jewish people today as most people in this day and age don’t know what Torah is. Did I read you correctly?

            My problem comes from listening to so many preachers who claim the OT is all about the Jews so I tend to get worked up when I think that’s where someone is going. I’m sorry about that. The reason I left my short comment alone is so that anyone who reads it will have a seed planted in their brain so that they might one day stop focusing just on what they think is a Jewish message from the Scriptures. The message from the Scriptures is from YHWH and not man.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I agree with you 100% Katrael! The Bible itself tells you the reason that the law was given to the Israelites was to attract all men unto His law as they would’ve naturally been inclined to do when they saw how the Isrealites prospered, but the Pharisees and the Saducees took that law and corrupted it, even using it as a tool to keep their own people enslaved. I just mentioned that to see if the all-knowing teacher knew, but I guess she had to go to work or another tai chi class! I don’t know what grade she teaches, but anything from jr. high up, I wouldn’t teach unless I was a 10th degree black belt in something and also packin’!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Yeah the pharisees did enslave their own people, they made them slaves under the Oral Law. They multiplied the laws until it was impossible to keep it. This is how you tie your shoes, go to the bathroom and a host of other things that the average person knows nothing about. Sound like anything we might know about today? Many of those 613 laws are what many of our basic laws are built around. Some are pretty far out there to our thinking today but many make sense. Don’t have sex with your mother, father, sister, brother, your sheep, dog…don’t execute a person solely on the testimony or one witness… whatever.

            Our legal system has become so burdened with law until you need a specialists to deal with your situation. No general practitioners in the legal business. We are slaves to our law today.

            10th degree in something? You better believe it. I remember they needed armed guards in the schools even when I was in High School. The teachers feared for their life. If the kids didn’t like a teacher the teacher might find out the hard way that they couldn’t fly.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            You know that one of those laws called for the parents of a rebellious teen to bring them before the elders and if they said that they just could not control that young person, they would lead him or her (I guess it included girls?) outside the city gates and they would stone them to death!!!

            If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” – Duet. 21:18-21 (KJV)

            Jewish tradition holds that it was up to the parents to cast the first stones!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., that seems pretty harsh and barbaric, for a parent or parents to condemn their child to death, but this was meant to be a preventative measure. If the child was so incorrigible and had already shown a propensity to do evil then that child was certainly going to be a problem for the rest of society. Now the question: just how many parents do you think actually would have resorted to this? I’ll bet that it was very few.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Look at our justice system! Lady Justice traded in her blindfold for some Transition shades, whose darkness or clarity depends on the size of your bank account! That’s another SERIOUS problem facing this country, a totally corrupt legal system! Justice can not be bought and sold in a just society!!!
            With that, good night folks! Time for beddy-bye, SEE YA!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Lilah tov.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        TomW – you should know by now, I have no respect for what you write -

        • Tom W.

          Well Lt, all I can say is that that hurts my feelin’s about as much as Bob no longer talkin to me!!! Sniff… Does anyone have a Kleenex?!!

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Sirian, this small part of your comment brought something to mind “like 2012 doomsday”. Most of us who are my age or older remember the cold war days and the feelings that accompanied the specter of global annihilation. Add to that the feeling that somehow things would come to an end because the return of Jesus was imminent. So many have heard all of the scary stories of “Y2K”, the 2012 doomsday, one world government, the “Tribulation”, the war against terrorism and a host of other mind numbing scenarios. The first time a person sees graphic and gory violence it hits him like a house falling on his head, the next time it bothers him and eventually he comes to dismiss it like so much background noise. I believe that most of the people in this country are in the state of dismissal now and they are there on purpose. Now, is probably the best time for the 5th column to make it’s final push for the NWO while so many will deny that it will happen just as it is happening right before their very eyes.

      Even I feel that it might be too late to stop it and that a better idea is to prepare for it. The only way that I can see to stop it is if enough get shocked out of their state of dismissal soon enough to fight back. What will it take to shock them back to reality?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Katrael, I truly believe that the only thing that we can do at this juncture is to be in constant prayer and to just let God be God! Read the second Psalm, I believe that it was written prophesying of this day! God sits in Heaven and laughs at these morons who think that they are too smart for him! LOL!!! I think I’ll join Him! My only question is what is He going to do?!! Will it be something like the plaque that swept through the camp of the Assyrians when all seemed lost for Jerusalem at the time of King Hezekiah and the prophet Isaiah?! (II Kings chaps. 18&19) The story of Ester and Haman’s gallows keeps comin’ to mind for some reason! I’m one of those people who has to feel like I’m in control or I’m outta my comfort zone. learning to let go and let God has been a HARD thing for me to learn, but sometimes ya just have to have faith! Sometimes it’s ALL ya got!!!

        Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.’ – Heb. 11:1 (KJV)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55s3T7VRQSc&feature=relmfu

        Even so, come Lord Jesus. Amen

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Tom W. I like your message. I remember this from Revelation: Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

          I used to pray that YHWH, although at the time I called him God, would show me how to do this. He set me up over decades to learn how to do it and it only took that long because I’m a hard head. It’s really quite simple but for most doing so would seem unacceptable. You have to be willing to trust him and when He says “let go cause I’ll catch you.” we have to let go and get caught by Him.

          Still, it feels like I need to try to warn as many as possible of what’s coming down the tracks so they’ll know to get off before they get hit. BTW I’m still researching the virgins. It’s not easy. I’ve found lots about child sacrifices but not anything specifically about what I mentioned. I’m still searching though. I don’t remember if Lew White documented his source about this, if it’s even in his book. It’s been a long time.

      • charlie

        Tom W.,,,
        You have been duped ,deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be in the Judeo christian churches,,, you are leading people astray ,,,so,,, get it straight with Acts 2:38…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …
        1Peter 3:21 says “baptism saves you”,,,what does that mean???

      • http://personalliberty william g munson

        This is in reponce to the one about accepting the LORD{JESUS} according to the word of GOD is in ACTS 2:38 where they ask PETER who GOD gave the KEYS to what have we to do!! and HE said REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST! he didn,t say accept the lord as your personal savior! read it for yourself if you are interested in being SAVED!!! it is a comanment not a sugestment!! It says be baptized in {JESUS},s name for remission of sins and if you were baptized in e FATHER AND SON AND HOLY GHOST OR SPIRIT, YOU WERE NOT BAPTIZED RITE!! IT IS THE NAME OF {JESUS] THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS. AND ACCORDING TO THE WORDS YOU WILL SPEAK IN OTHER TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GIVE THE UTTERANCE WHEN YOU RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST!! CHECK IT OUT IN THE BIBLE. WHEN THE DECIPLES FOUND OTHER MEN THAT WERE FOLLOWS OF JOHN THE BAPTISE THEY ASK IF THE HAD RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST AND THEY SAID THEY HAD NOT EVEN HEARD OF THE HOLY GHOST AND THEY LAID HANDS ON THEM AND THEY RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST AND THEY ASK THEM UNTO WHAT WERE THEY BAPTIZED AND THEY SAID UNTO TO JOHN AND THAT WAS UNTO REPENTANT AND THEY COMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZE IN{JESUS} NAME FOR THE HEARD THEM SPEAK IN OTHER TONGUES!! SO IT SHOW YOU AND I HAVE TO DO TO BE SAVED!! IF PETER AND THOSE WERE NOT RIGHT A ANGLE WOULD HAVE COME TO SET HIM RIGHT, AND GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SENT PETER IN CHAPTER TEN TO GO TO CONEALUS, HOUSE TO GIVE THE SAME MESSAGE IF HE WAS NOT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME! AND IT SAYS THAT ALL WHO HEARD THE WORD OF THE LORD WAS SAVED!! CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF TO KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO BE SAVED!!!

      • charlie

        Acts 2;38 the first thing to understand and accomplish THEN you can begin to have answers to most of your goofy doubts about King Jesus / God,,, First things First OBEY The First TWO “Orders” of King Jesus at Matthew 6:33,,,notice at Acts 2:38 you get “The Gift of The Holy Spirit ,,,knowledge , understanding and wisdom come from The Holy Spirit…

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          charlie, are you actually addressing the comment about goofy doubts to me? You don’t even have a clue as to what I believe. You don’t know me. My point was about my childhood days.

    • charlie

      Sirian,,,et al,,,
      Good write ,,, “””They””” been trying to destroy The Holy Bible also but The King of America ain’t gonna let it happen….

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Speakin’ in tongues again charlie?! There is no one here to interpret chuck!!! TURN or BURN charlie!

      • charlie

        Tom W. ,,,et al,,,
        I ‘m the one that has turned to Acts 2:38 for Salvation,,,your the one that’s in la la land LOL…
        Okeee english requires no interpreter,,,that is IF one has ever been West of the Mississippi river …
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

    • charlie

      Katrael,,,et al,,,
      eddie’s trying to say Adolph Hitler was not a Christian,,, he was a Mattoid…

    • http://aol frank

      I am not as eloquent as many of these responses, however I do believe that America is going down a path to the chaos that is going on in the EU. We have the American dollar that has been the gold standard for the world, why would we go to a “global currency”? The only I can think of is to lower us to the level of the rest of the world. We carry almost every other country on our shoulders, if that is diminished by the “world order” America will no longer exist as we know it and we will be part of the global socialist economy. I’m 65 years old so this new world order probably won’t impact myself and my wife as much as others. I only pray for my children and grandchildren that this whole scenario does not play out. God bless America!!

    • Susie Liberty

      Our Southern border in Texas is wide-open to Mexican truckers who don’t even have cargo inspection until Topeka, Kansas. And they’re fussing that We Texans are building our Superhighway Toll Roads fast enough for them!

    • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

      5/8/12, Now does this “N. Am. Union” mean free access of contraband & wetback aliens? Assuming there would be no borders w/ Canada & Mex., that means easier access to TransCanada pipeline. It would also ease embargo restrictions on Cuba. Canada’s population lives, for the most part, within 100 miles of the border & is approximately equal in numbers to that of California. Canada may be able to manage this since their culture is similar to ours; Mexico may be another story. I see both good & bad in this.

  • Michael J.

    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

    Disengage from the right-left paradigm and the illusion of having a say in what will be. From the minds of those that believe that wealth and wisdom come in the same package, will soon be anounced who will next implement their ongoing plans of world domination. So vote to assure yourself that you’ve done all you can do, while your conscience tells you that your grandparents were the last to have a say in doing so.

    Meanwhile prepare the best you can for the oncoming storm that looms large on the horizon. We will all soon be hunter gatherers or dead attempters.

    • Tom W.
      • Tom W.

        Watch the video!

      • charlie

        forget the video ,,,read your Bible IF you have one Acts 2:38…

        • Tom W.

          I back up EVERYTHING I say with scripture heretic! Not just one verse!!! Isn’t there a snake somewhere that needs handlin’ or somethin’?!! I’m sure that Flush has one he’ll let ya play with!

    • Joseph

      I like your reference to John Wayne’s The Shootist but cancer was not called Consumption,TB was called consumption back then.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I LOVED da Duke!!! Especially this quote of his which applies to a few of the posters around here, I’m not naming names but I’m sure you can probably guess! LOL!!!

        “Life’s tough……It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.” – John Wayne

    • http://none America’s Last Chance

      These things might take longer to bring about than some believe but if we don’t prepare now we all could be hungry by the time the dollar dies. The Shootist, which you mentioned further up, was an excellent movie but it’s spiritual value could only be understood by those who understand the purpose of life. I see life as a school in which we all have varying lessons to learn. Sadly the schools have been teaching that which is Anti-American for almost two generations now and although our ship of state hasn’t sunk yet, it is lisping badly. You said earlier, “I don’t pretend to have the cure, I don’t think anyone does. I do think that when a true leader steps up to the plate, he or she will have multitudes of followers.” Sadly that is what the world leader (the one the Bible calls the anti-Christ) will do. The Bible hints at his being a banker and not a military man and when the world is in chaos he will step up to the plate and be the answer man, and most all will rush to support him.

      There is a cure but it is one that some find distasteful. The only cure that I can see is for the nation that was founded on it’s knees, whose first president often prayed for guidance and direction, and whose leaders over the generations since have often prayed for guidance and direction, is to return to those values upon which we were founded, not the Bible per se, but BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.

      I said this better In response to another writer on a different but related topic:

      “…If Obama and the Progressives get to pack the Supreme Court that will be it for the USA and freedom as we have known it. Already they have put two liberals on the court. It’s sad that the court is as politicized as it is but can we expect more out of our leaders than we do out of ourselves? A nation’s leaders tend to reflect the people who elect them. Only a return by the citizens of this nation to the morality of the founders of this nation can save this nation that was founded on Biblical principles. It was the principles of the Bible (not those of varying interpretations) upon which this nation was founded.
      “We are not electing a saint to the presidency but a man (and someday a woman). The ravings of those who want to be their own god, a move that reduced the most brilliant being that God ever created, into a lawless shadow of his former self, an ego centric being who still believes that he is god – well such will be the fate of all those who knowingly oppose truth and real justice, not the “socialized justice” of the Marxists….

      “We were once a great nation. We did great things. We haven’t fallen from the precipice yet but we are perilously close. The time for petty bickering is over. The time for prayer is NOW! We were once believers. Some still are, and it is on their shoulders that the fate of this nation depends. Only prayer to the loving Father of us all, can stop the eventual demise of this nation. Our ship of state is already lisping so sharply that only a divine miracle can save us from greater suffering than is already inevitable – the tripling of the price of food (and fuel, as the progressives want so badly) will hurt not just the poor but the middle class as well. Only the fervent prayers of the righteous, for God to take action in the hearts of men to save this nation, can save it. Since those who hate freedom and God don’t believe in prayer it is up to those who believe to take up the slack. All those who believe must cry out to the one and only God, the great “I am that I am” who spoke to Moses, that His will be done on this nation and all the world.

      “I have written about the coming financial crisis for 22 years now and it has begun. A decade ago 200 to 300 thousand people year left the country each year but in the last couple of years it appears that number has increased to a couple of million per year who are leaving. A decade ago nearly 100,000 millionaires somehow vanished from the United States in a single year, yet for the vast majority, I don’t think it will do any good to leave in the long run. God is preparing not just to chastise the United States but the world. There are those who say God is not doing all this that we are doing it to ourselves. Since some of these are people I respect I can only tell you what I heard when I was praying. It was a voice that was as strong as steel: MY HAND OF JUDGEMENT WILL STRETCH FOR AND ALL WILL FEEL IT, SOME MUCH MORE THAN OTHERS. FEAR NOT!

      “Since I don’t want to feel what is coming as sharply as some will, I endeavor to seek God while He may be found. He will never turn His back on those who love Him but he will not hear the prayers of the unrighteous and those who knowing choose the “dark side”. We must not go “Forward” into further darkness but all who believe in the true God of the Universe need to put aside petty differences and unite to face the greater enemy who would enslave us all. The choice is ours. God help us!”

      PS. The UN wants everyone to live in large cities, the elimination of private property, etc. From your final comment I take it you are in the country somewhere. While hunting and gathering may last for a while but with many doing it (I have read that Wisconsin alone has some 600,000 hunters) you had better learn all you can about intensive gardening with heirloom seeds, before those too are made illegal by the FDA or the USDA. Having a decent supply of freeze dried foods that you actually use is a good idea too. Time is short. Don’t waste it. Learn all you can about taking care of yourself and your family. Pray!

      • Michael J.

        America’s Last Chance,
        Thanks, I place a high value on the thoughts and wisdom of fellow American Patriots. We started with heirloom seeds and are now producing our own. We have gardens in two seperate counties and the know how to make them flourish. I figure hunter gathering to be a fall-back survival contengency. Good luck to you sir in the uncertain days ahead.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Excellent post ALC!!! There is no more dangerous creature on the face of this earth than the human whois their own god! I truly believe that the US is either going to be engulfed into the NWO or be defeated and displaced. In the book of Daniel chap. 7, we see in Daniel’s “Little Horn” prophecy that there will be a ten kingdom amalgamation in the Last Days that when the anti-Christ comes to power that he will throw down three of those kingdoms. Now I’m just reasoning with common sense here, if he comes to power by overthrowing three kingdoms, wouldn’t reason tell you that those were the leaders of the ten?!! I mean I’m not pretending to be a prophet, I’m just speculating! I think that that’s ALL anyone honest can actually say, the one who says it is a certain way, Jesus said to be leary of!!! “And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.” – Luke 17:23 (KJV) I truly believe that the wheels have been set in motion and there is NO turning back!!! The most that we can do is pray for and TRY to convince our lost loved one’s to take a bath in the blood before it’s too late! If ya can’t get through to ‘em just keep tellin’ ‘em what you think is gettin’ ready to happen, so that when it does, they’ll know what to do!!! There still be a chance for salvation on the other side of the Rapture! Just make sure that they KNOW NOT TO TAKE THE MARK!!! That is the sin of NO return!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55s3T7VRQSc&feature=relmfu

      • charlie

        ALC,,, et al,,,
        1John 2:22 tells you anti-christs have been on Earth since King Jesus was here …
        But don’t feel bad because you have not seen that before ,,, Tom W. got bad eye sight also… Ears that don’t hear well ,,,eyes that don’t see well,,,then you can’t read ,,,life is tuff UNTIL you learn to Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…

  • kategray

    I BELIEVE that the legal AMERICIAN citizens of the GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA will not allow this to happen. I have faith in the Americian people to persevere. We have been under estimated. And we will protect what the CONSITUTION has given us by the FOUNDING FATHERS. DON’T TREAD ON ME

    • Toxick1

      Believe me. We Canadians don’t want any part of it either. We are doing quite well without you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        You do know why y’all can’t play “Wheel of Fortune” right canauk?!.. Can I buy a vowel, eh?!! LOL!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgWFxFg7-GU&feature=relmfu

      • charlie

        Detox,, why did the Canadian jews put Ernst Zundel in jail???

    • jorind

      You are correct Kate; and fly the Gadson Flag.

      • jorind

        That should be the Gadsden Flag.

    • FreedomFighter

      I Hope Black People Are Preparing!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GQrbvqW_tA&feature=related

      “My warning to black people (hell, all people) about the dangers of not being prepared for an emergency (such as a economic crisis, natural disaster, terrorist attack.) ”

      Do not let the NWO divide us, all American need to prepare for the coming crisis, nomatter your color we are all Americans, let us puch off these tyrants that would enslave us.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        Yep, the Leaders have been using the Blacks as unwitting pawns since Lincoln’s presidency. The Power-Hungry Leaders have managed to take the Blacks from slavery, into the illusion of Freedom, back into slavery. The only difference is that most of the whites have joined them in their current slavery. Government now spends over 40% of our Gross Domestic Product. In 1900 (the early years of the Progressive Period) they spent about 3% of our GDP. Imagine that — we are such an unruly and ignorant population now that we need 9 times as much Government Protection as our ancestors of just 110 years ago. If you believe that, I have a …….
        In America’s heyday (between 1880 and 1890) real wages, adjusted for inflation, grew at their fastest pace ever in this country.
        Read the section titled “PRICES, WAGES, AND REALWAGES” in Part 1 of “A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II”:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf
        We won’t see that kind of prosperity for the average American again until we shrink Government dramatically and get our Freedom Back. Just imagine if most of that 40% Government takes was back into our pockets instead of theirs.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        GOOD POST FF!!! Prepare the BEST ya can, never forget GOOD people will find each other, the only way to survive even the worst case senerio is to pull together, don’t try to be a lone wolf! There is STRENTH IN NUMBERS!!! Remember that their motto is, “DEVIDE and CONQUER”!

      • charlie

        FF,,,et al,,,
        Follow The King of America ,,,what ever color one may be…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…

    • DaveH

      Kategray says — “And we will protect what the CONSITUTION has given us by the FOUNDING FATHERS. DON’T TREAD ON ME”.
      Oh yeah? And when do we start? So far the good little sheeple have been letting the Progressives step all over the Constitution for the last 150 years. Why do you think people will get their heads out now, Kate?

      • MAP

        And it is worth adding, DaveH, that this disregard of the law has happened at all levels of the general government. The Supreme Court, arbitraitor of Constitutionality by usurpation, has proven a very poor arbitraitor! Calhoun had it right. The states, as creator of the general government, ought to be the judges of the limit of central power.

      • Flashy

        “The states, as creator of the general government, ought to be the judges of the limit of central power.” <— MAP

        LOL…oh yeah, that worked so well in the Articles of Confederation didn't it. And 80 years later for the Confederacy. LOL …..

      • JeffH

        Falsy, if that’s all you got to say then your plate must be getting pretty empty. Lost for words?

      • Opal the Gem

        JeffH, Flushy saw his boss coming so he had to make it quick.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        There goes the nieighborhood!

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        There you go again DaveH blaming the progressives when you know full well the conservative right has been running this country into the ground especially in the last 40 years. The progressives have never governed, they have merely pushed to bring us the things that make America great and the reasons why the masses want to come here. Arbitrarily moving the center to your own beneficial position will never make it so. One of these days you’ll open your heart and your mind and realize that either you didn’t know what you were talking about or possibly you were just lying. Either way you are not helping.

      • daniel

        Flqashy you know nothing of history or the reasons behind the War Between the States do you? If you answer slavery you would be wrong again.

      • DaveH

        There you go again, Eric, spouting your Progressive lies. The Progressives love Big Government and they have been building it as rapidly as they can since the late 19th Century. You apparently do not understand what the Progressive movement is all about, Eric (or would like other people to not understand), If you are unaware that they are the main builders of our Gargantuan Government. And apparently you are confused about what Conservatives are also. Conservatives respect the Main Law of the Land — The Constitution; Progressives don’t.
        What made America great, Eric, was the fact that our Founders pursued a level of Freedom and protection from Big Government tyrants that had rarely existed before. Unfortunately, the average citizen has bought into the Progressive Siren Song sung by Leaders whose main goal is to overlord the common citizens. I would bet most of the Progressive followers have no clue that they’re being made fools of by the Power Hungry Leaders. I suspect though, Eric, that you know all about the effort to take advantage of the common citizens. Why else would you argue so vehemently about an agenda that has no valid logical legs?
        For those who don’t want to be fooled by Progressives like Eric:
        http://mises.org/daily/1259

        • CardinalMo

          To DaveH. Progressive are as much about freedom, democracy, and American as you
          you are. The difference is they care about having social supports for the elderly, those who cannot work due to mental or physical disability, children who are hungry, those who would be hungry if not for unemployment, and injured, wounded, soldiers or soldiers who because of where they were developed diverse mental problems, and the poor. Did you know that all a single person has to receive assistance must survuve on as little as $200.00 in Food Stamps, and $200.00 in cash assistance. Can you live on $600-700 a month if you are disabled and have to collect SSI…and you receive 50 -60 in food stamps? Well, we have to have some “safety nets.” Or the streets would be full of starving beggers. It is bad enough we all have to deal with the drug, alcohol people on the streets…that is a problem we have yet to solve.

          I was talking with a young woman this evening about education. Kids are not being taught about drugs in school. They need to see realilty. Pictures, films, They need to see what happens to a pretty young woman after getting hooked on Meth. They need to see pictures of what crack babies will look like, and fetal alcohol babies. And on and on. God knows they see enough sex and violence on TV…they need to see the consequences….the real consequences. Not just another soft sell for Say No To Drugs.
          Progressives to deal with that problem…But, the public didn’t want truth ruining their children. Working conditions would not be regulated for safety and health protections, and you would probably be working 12 hours a day with out any vacations, sick leave, family leave, or 401K. And when you felt and needed a raise you wouldn’t get one until a Union stood up in mass and applied people power for better treatment and pay.

          Centralized Big Government is a problem. Get out there and fight for a Direct Democracy. I can understand how we got to be a big government..we have a lot of problems which need to be dealt with. Rein in the Mega Corporations. It should be illegal for them to bribe, and lobby government. And illegal for a revolving door between leadership in a corporation and government department heads. This has to be the battle of the people. The government does in time backdown when there is a broad base speaking out against issues and DEMAND change. But the people have to have it planned out and have a solid, rational demand/s.

  • sesame

    In case you haven’t noticed the European Union is almost in a state of collapse.

    • canoworms27

      I think the euro union is in a state of transition, not collapse…sort of like our chapter 11, here in the U.S.?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        In a state of transition into the Beast of Rev. chap. 13!!!

      • charlie

        Tom W. ,,,et al,,,
        Are you one of the people called out at Revelation 13:8???

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

          No, but I believe that you’ll be one of the loooong faces that hears the Lord say in Matt. 7:15-27 (KJV), ” Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”

          TURN OR BURN chuck!!!

      • sesame

        It will only take a couple more government to collapse, then Germany will go its own way. They can’t bail out any more.

    • James Andrews

      Exactly-not to mention the fact that our nation’s laws could lose therir power and affect here, as we could be subject to “international law”-av VERY bad and dangerous concept!

      • Mike in MI

        James A –
        Already been done.
        Last week’s signing by Oblamhimanyway of Executive Order # 541,666.666 consigned us to the legal and official dictates of one-world-disorder, regulatory decisions and controls.
        All they need do is implement it. Panetta refered to it’s provisions in remarks to a House Subcommittee regarding whether or not our leaders would follow House vote or U.N. determinations before our armed forces are sent to war. Paneta declared Obama would defer to the U.N. in such matters. Essentially treasonous statements in contravention to Constitutional requirements. But, so what?
        Mr. Inhofe followed-up, making some alarmed press statements so we all understand how small and inconsequential we have been made.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.
    • http://yahoo catsueme

      let’s not kid ourselves the EU will be healed and be out to take over the world as in one world government. The Bible says so and it has predicted too many things that have come to pass exactly as it was predicted. It’s gonna happen folks… let’s get ourselves perpared the weather the stom and survive untill the Lord returns.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        When it comes evident that Spain is toast, you’re going to see all kinds of movin’ and shakin’ goin’ on! I see an emergency summit of the G20 resulting in the signing of the covenant of of death and hell!!!

        “Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.” – Isaiah 28:14-18 (KJV)

        Gotta have FAITH for this final hour folks! And to know also, WHO IT IS that STANDS by you!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM&feature=relmfu

        HALLELUJAH!!! WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE! THINK ABOUT IT, IT’S AWESOME!!!

      • charlie

        that’s what Tom W. is lacking in his bla bla ,,,no Scripture to back up his bla bla bla…
        Scripture IS fruit for Life… Talk about “you shall know them by their fruits”…

        • Tom W.

          (attack comment removed)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.
      • charlie

        Acts 2:38 = Real Christian…

    • charlie

      EU,,, needs Hitler’s grand son to fix things…

  • jack

    we the people will not let this happen even if it means war, i will no give up my freedom i will fight to the death and take many with me

  • Louis Lemieux

    I have a dream, a dream that stands in the way of the false patriot with his ultranationalistic desires. I hope and I have faith that the world will be someday united, that all countries will be united like the states of the United States are united. No doubt this is Earth’s manifest destiny!

    • sesame

      If that happens and a world-wide depression occurs, there will be no way out. You need strong separate economies to be able to keep things going until the weaker ones can work there way out. Some weaker countries may collapse. There;s no reason we all should

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        So you’re sayin’ that a world that was united in the common good of ALL humanity couldn’t survive?!! When King Jesus (Ya hear that charlie?!) appears, that’s EXACTLY what we’re goin’ have!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55DXPoIhFHs

    • DaveH

      Louis,
      Unless you’re an administration shill, the Power Elites are just making a fool out of you. They are smart enough to know (unlike yourself) that the further Power is removed from the electorate, the less control the electorate has of them, and the less Freedom the electorate has.
      People with ambitions of extreme Power always push for Centralized Government (and always will).
      Do you fear rule by the Wealthy, Louis? If you do, you need to wake up to the fact that Big Government has the Power of Force that plays right into their hands. The bigger Government is, the more Control the Wealthy have over our lives.
      Read this book, Louis, and awaken to the fact that the Crony Capitalists have been subverting the Freedom and Prosperity of the common people since the very inception of our country:
      http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • CardinalMo

        DaveH You are absolutely right. The Money power has always tried to control government. Many laws and agreements have given the elite rights, powers, lands, resources over the rights of the people. At one time our founding fathers had discussed the Corporations..remember the India Tea Company and the Boston Tea Party? But I guess even back then pay off and bribery must have been good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      I’ll join in that prayer Louis!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnPVP23rzo

    • charlie

      Louis,,,et al,,,
      You have a point ,,,one leader ,,,One King of Earth ,,, King of America ,,,Praise King Jesus for Salvation an Healing …

      • charlie

        Pray Matthew 6:9 to get The King here faster…

        • RichE

          Give up a democratic republic for a king? Talk about big government.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Ruled with a rod of irom RichE!!!

        • RichE

          “Iron rod”? I guess that’s biblical. I haven’t a clue what you’re implying.

          Tell me Tom W; why would a conservative Christian give up their freedoms for the promise that all their needs will be provided for when they could be turned into a rock and all a rock needs is to sit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            You DON’T understand RichE, there are only two choices, TWO, that’s it! When King Jesus returns, He won’t return as the Lamb of God, but as the LION of Judah!!! If you don’t want to live under His reign, I’m afraid You’re NOT gonna care for the alternative very much at all, for there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDmurYHb0wM

          • RichE

            Your King Jesus will imprison all that opposition him? Sounds like what Hitler did, but you won’t know that until you read it in a history book. That’d be after it happens.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Never mind, you’ll get it SOON!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I pray that God opens your understanding RichE!!! In Jesus’ most Beautiful, Blessed, Holy Name! Amen

    • daniel

      I hope it stays just a dream. One group or single person with that much power scares the bejeebers outta me. History has set a poor track record for people with that much power. Seems they always abuse it.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        daniel, you just made the best point possible: no human being or group of human beings can be trusted with absolute power. Amen

  • LAB

    Good luck with that though kategray! The MFR’s in DC will STOMP on us all!!…as they do so now! WE ARE SKAROO’D!

    • Mike in MI

      LAB – “skarood”, eh? Think they got’cha by the short-hairs, ayyh?
      So, which side you gonna throw in with? Obama and his One-World pals on the Devil’s side? Like the Colonists who held with King George III?
      Or, you gonna try to ride it out in the middle like the “undecideds” who tried to ride the fence (and got ground to hamburger by the “sides”) in Viet Nam during that mess?
      Or, you going to go like some of the intemperate testosteroners that sometimes sound-off here?

      I’ve advocated here for a while that folks become as knowledgeable as possible of how God works in and with people. He did things for His committed ones in every conflict where the good vs evil lines were very stark – and people committed themselves to Him. Not to a cause, not to a political group nor an ideology or any such thing…HIM via His son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Miracles and wonders still happen, folks. But you’ve got to know your way around His Word and how He operates – because you ask Him to. Otherwise, you’re just a liability to anyone who really wants to do something worthwhile.
      And…you have to have enough humility to submit to a hard-assed disciplinarian, goal oriented, God loving, “straight-arrow” leader like Moses, David, Paul or Jesus Christ. How do you think they got so much done – committees?
      Frankly, I don’t think Americans got it in ‘em anymore. TV is more important, and sports and porn and ………

      • charlie

        Mike,,, Thanks for the info BUT you did not tell us what The “Orders”of King Jesus are,,,some people THINK they are on third base and they have not even come to bat yet…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Yeah like you heretic! TURN or BURN chuck!!!

      • Mike in MI

        Well chuck -
        The “Orders” come according to the need of the moment. They come straight from God to your spirit to your mind as you’re moving out with a mind set to serve God’s best to His people. The Apostle Paul’s example in Acts is most worthwhile to endeavor to follow – like the Thessallonians. Paul’s letters contain the teaching that is still the basic marching order for our day and time until the Lord’s Day (II Corinthians 1:13-14). Act in accord with his letters and watch your power and love as God’s kid take off.
        Charlie, I don’t know what the “Obadiah” stuff you refer to is all about but it sure wasn’t a major focus for the first century writers. Best get it out of your head. Find somebody with a proven track record at discipleship to mentor you. Zeal is good but not enough – by itself. You’ll tend to burn out if that’s all you’ve got.
        It’s required of a steward to be faithful. Have a sense of humor. You’ll need it. Jesus Christ was often ironic and satirical – never sarcastic or biting – unless dealing with deceitful, devilish temple priests.
        Have fun. God will blow…your…mind.

      • charlie

        Mike,, the book of Obadiah is a one page book in the minor Prophets that says the Lineage of Esau Edom will be teetolly wiped out,,, who are the lineage of Esau / Edom today??? I know but you may not believe it unless you know the lineage of “Shem”,,,it’s in The Bible…

      • ohoh

        That’s the great mystery that once revealed to Israel, the true Israel, will expose the seed of the Father of Lies for who they are and what they’ve done to the Children of the Promise. Having ignored the admonitions of Christ to separate themselves from this evil and, instead, embracing the enemies of Christ based on Jewish fables for so long, the irony will be too much for most modern Judeo-Christians to bear.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Who’s yo daddy Chuck?!!

        “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it” – John 8:44 (KJV).

        VERY well stated Mike in MI!!!

  • jack

    obama is a commie along with many others in our govt thats why our country is doin so bad, they want to destroy the usa, we the people must stop them whatever it takes, we won’t be holdin signs this time

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      It’s pretty obvious isn’t it jack?!!

  • JDN

    Just believe us people , the train is going 200 MPH but we at the D&R railways tout our track record of safety . All you must do for your part is vote and have faith that this train will never wreck .

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    I may be wrong, but from what I see, the NWO is imploding on itself. THE PEOPLE of the world are telling them to go EFF themselves.

    • Sarah R.

      You are so right. Just look at the people in the streets when Putin was returned to power and look at the people in the streets when Hollande won. The people are given power by the elites and the common people aren’t going to take it. I can’t wait to see the common people who love God and country revolt to all this crap.

      • DaveH

        First they need to educate themselves to overcome the severe Propagandization that we’ve all endured.

    • JeffH

      Mark Are Reynolds, to a very small degree you’re right…but it’s doubtfull the world’s masses will see it coming. The ideas for a “global” governance have hundreds of years of manipulation and propaganda in place. It’s a tough pill to swallow for most, but it’s real.

      ‘Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.’ – Mayer Amschel Rothschild, creator of the Rothschild Banking Cartel/Central Banks/Federal Reserve System

      • john j

        i agree with you and I think the EU is going to regroup and come up with a ten nation system

      • angelwannabe

        JeffH, check it out….
        freedomreigns.us

      • JeffH

        angelwannabe, thanks…I’ll check it out.

        Is it an online broadcast or on national radio? I’ll check it out a little closer when time permits.

      • angelwannabe

        http://freedomreigns.us/

        wolf spirit is something to look at too.

  • czman

    Everyone already knows what needs to be done…There are more patriotic Americans in this country than there are in DC. Lets get this show on the road and get our country
    back on the right road…Time to water the Tree of Liberty is at hand!

    • Susan Gallen

      I’m afraid this is not happening. Our children are being indoctrinated. They have no knowledge of history or rather they learn a reinvented form, one that always emphasizes America’s flaws and not her great accomplishments. The young have no sense of patriotism.

      • Patty

        And what do you teach your children when they are not being indoctrinated by the schools? It starts at home. Start teaching them about their freedoms and our Constitution. They sure are not going to learn it in a socialist school.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Patty, I like your point about what we teach our children when they aren’t being indoctrinated in school. The most important years of a child’s life for learning happens before they get to school. They start this process as they begin to understand spoken language. If we don’t teach them they’ll learn from somewhere.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Well said Patty! If they won’t teach our children the truth Susan, then it is up to us!!!

    • eddie47d

      Patriotism like Nationalism can be a false God and isn’t always in the best interest of a nation. How many wars from the Elites do we have to endure in the name of Patriotism. How much security and individual freedoms do we have to loose in the name of Patriotism. Buyer beware for patriotism can be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

      • DaveH

        Wow, let me savor this moment. For once Eddie has said something intelligent.

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d,
        Patriotism is a righteous cause to those who possess it. Even if we have been lied to for the last 150 years, that does not dilute Americans love of country. We need to cast aside the R’s and D’s to focus on the real culprits. The elites responsible number in the thousands, we number in the billions.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. A rare moment of weakness for you? This is really just another “blind” comment from eddie.

      • independant thinker

        ” How much security and individual freedoms do we have to loose in the name of Patriotism.”

        While there is truth in what you say as much or even more freedoms are lost in the name of “security”. I would even go so far as saying we have lost security in the name of “security”.

      • Michael J.

        JeffH,
        I’ve heard the cliche before, but I’m not sure of your intended context. Let me get this straight, did you mean to say that a blind squirel has found eddie?

      • JeffH

        Michael J., the blind squirrel = eddie

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Anything that you put in front of God is an idol!!! That includes a flag! Patriotism in the cause of the true American Dream is totally righteous and ALWAYS in the BEST interest of this and every other nation on the face of this earth!!! So take your bucket of water and pour it over your own head eddie, leave OUR bonfire alone!!!

      • Dark Patriot

        Tom W, This isn’t true. Its a mistranslation. The Hebrews had the priests out in front of the troops with the Mishkahn (travelling ark) Granted, it was a he..G-d of a weapon. Its not an idol unless you pray to it. I don’t want to offend Catholics but in Jeudeism Mother Mary would definitely be an idol.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

          ANYTHING you reverence instead of, ahead of, in front of, on top of, etc. of God is an idol, just ’cause you don’t pray to it, doesn’t mean it isn’t an idol! If that were true, God would’ve been gone a long time ago!!!

  • Scott A

    I’d like you to all think a little on the “How” they may accomplish this. Consider food, how dependent are YOU on the grocery store supplying you food? 100%? 80%? For most people, it is between those 2. Cut off the food supply with economic disaster and most will do, say and vote for whatever will get their belly full. Good to hear Patriots here wanting to preserve America, but you need to eat to defend. A garden will be raided by hungry neighbors at night. Stock food now, and look into Aquaponics – indoor growing. Consider using your garage with a few skylights. Time to get serious.

  • http://wewontforget.wordpress.com wewontforget

    And not a peep about Marco Rubio not being a natural born citizen. Neither of his parents were citizens when he was born. Another usurper in the White House and we re-write history once again. The definition of NBS is clearly documented (PARENTS must be citizens at the time of your birth on American soil) but in order to put communists in the White House we just turn the other way. The American people are just as much at fault for their ignorance as the elected officials that know exactly what they are doing. The article said in 100 years we will see a world with no borders is way wrong. It will happen MUCH sooner than that. I predict Obama will be elected again in November (not by an honest vote of the people but by rampant voter fraud) and the fall of our country will be finalized by the end of his second term. Obama will rule until his death of old age. WAKE UP and put the only man in DC that is on our side……..RON PAUL. You will be so sorry if either Obama or Romney is elected. Romney is supported by the same puppet masters as Obama. He will just give the illusion that things are going to be reversed in order to put us all back to sleep. Either one will eventually help (Romney) or achieve (Obama) the fall of this country. Obama will make it happen faster and if there is a hint that the American people are getting out of hand…..in steps Romney to quiet things down but moving toward the NWO just the same. THIS ELECTION IS OUR LAST CHANCE. And I feel the American people have not yet felt enough pain to do what needs to be done. By the time you feel the real pain it will be too late.

    • Sirian

      wewontforget,
      Good point! That is something that the majority doesn’t know since it hasn’t been brought out as it should be. He holds full eligibility to be a Senator but that’s that. Presidential? No, he cannot be our President due to his ineligibility via not being a FULL “natural born citizen”. His parents had not been “naturalized” at the time of his birth. They were at a later date, but not when he was born. So that pulls the plug on him reaching any office above where he is at this time. It would be to his advantage if he were to admit this fact to the public, constituency and all. He could accomplish a great deal by becoming a very well known “Constitutional Senator”. What we must keep an eye on though is whether or not this eligibility fact will be side-stepped, conveniently, as Obummer has accomplished. Wait and see. . .

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston
      • Sirian

        Bob,
        Both articles were very good “heads up” concerning Marco’s eligibility limits but unfortunately there still remains such an expansive excess of people that either don’t know or better yet, don’t want to know these facts. Try to imagine what levels of resistance would be raised by the Democrats and their ever loyal MSM if he were chosen to be Romney’s VP. Seriously doubt that that, chosen as VP candidacy, will come about but if by some wild chance it did, Lord stand back!! The news wires would be running red hot until he withdraws. Oh yes, your other article concerning NAU – OUTSTANDING!!! :)

      • Flashy

        I believe being born here, Rubio is fully eligible to hold the office of POTUS. I believe any other reading of the Constitution twists the intent of those who wrote that document and those who formed our government and were instrumental in establishing the precedents which have been relied upon since.

        To state both parents must be citizens of the US at the time of the child’s birth for that child to be eligible for the office would mean at least two generations must pass. To hold both parents must be citizens and the child born in the US is saying there is not a belief that one born and raised in this country would hope to hold the nationalism and patriotism and cultural mores which binds this nation together. I reject that notion and so, I believe, do the vast overwhelming majority of Americans.

      • Sirian

        Uh oh, sorry ‘bout that. . . meant “this article”, NOT, the “other article”. My mistake, again, sorry ‘bout that.

      • Opal the Gem

        Flushy if we take your argument to its logical conclusion then anyone born in the US no matter who the parents are is elgible to be elected president.

      • Flashy

        Opal…as long as they did not renounce their citizenship…you would be correct. That is my understanding and interpretation of the Constitutional requirements regarding eligibility for POTUS.

        think about it. When the Nation was first formed, those who became Americans via the Independence are ‘grandfathered” in. That’s it. So either those who were instrumental in the formation of government or in setting precedence intended a generation to be skipped (say those born in 1790 through 1810?), unlikely, then what remains is the ONLY reasonable interpretation.

      • Opal the Gem

        Flushy that means the children of say the Iranian ambasador to the UN would be elgible to be president if he/she were born in the US. It means the child of the Chinese ambasador to the US would be elgible to be president in he/she were born in the US. That means the child of an illegal alien raised anywhere else in the world would be elgible to be president as long as they were born in the US.

      • eddie47d

        If they renounced their citizenship of their home country and used their US birth certificate to become a US citizen I would believe that is possible.

      • ohoh

        There is nothing ambiguous about the rule or the reasons behind it for those who take the time to read the record left by the founders and the courts. Rubio is not qualified except in the eyes of the distortionists who trash the rule of law for their own ideological purposes.

    • Patty

      What I don’t understand is that how long have they been courting Marco Rubio? Has not anyone ever said no (to the NWO, Bilderberg, Illuminati, whatever you want to call them)? Buzz off? Other than the theory behind the assination of JFK? That would lead to the assumption that Americans have never had a true election since, who knows when. Just like big corporations who donate to both sides of the isle, it really doesn’t matter who gets in, they have already been put in place (for either side)and the idea that Americans “elected” someone is just BS anyways. If this is true, what the heck are we waiting for to see what happens? The writing is on the wall.

  • RUSerious

    LOL! One World Government… Fear mongering and paranoia among the weak minded…

    • FreedomFighter

      Pull your head out of the sand, NWO is a fact of life, no longer in the shadow.

      Invisible Empire A New World Order Defined

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO24XmP1c5E

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      Weak-minded is the man (or woman) who fails to investigate all possibilities, and who fails to understand the Power aspirations of the Sociopathic segment of our Society. Just reading that one book (A History of Money and Banking) that I’ve posted a link to twice on this board, should awaken any intelligent human being to the manipulations of the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists.
      Here is one that should awaken any intelligent human to the extreme amount of Propaganda we’ve all endured at the hands of those who prefer us to believe that a Powerful Central Government is the answer to our problems. Unfortunately, you’ll have to pay for this one (or borrow a copy from your Library):
      https://mises.org/store/Product2.aspx?ProductId=172

    • charlie

      Very Serious,,, weak minds will become stronger IN obediance to King Jesus at Matthew 6:33,,,then obey Peter at Acts 2:38 to become one of The King’s Men …

  • dan

    It won’t matter what they call it …patriots will be in the re-education camps unless
    Ron Paul wins….on the other hand,it’ll be a handy place for the current occupants and partisans of the police state. Should a REAL “Natural”disaster befall us , we’ll all be going tribal.
    ….not that Obama or Romney and WWIII won’t be bad news.

  • MAP

    The problems I see in this coming socialist union are three: Russia, China, and Iran. They will not stand by and watch this happen. Nor will they join. The American empire is crumbling along with the EU. Can this delusional and bankrupt empire afford a world war? I believe that is exactly what it will lead to. Our delusional, greedy and corrupt overlords cannot win such a conflict, but that fact may not stop their attempt. Our foreign policy up to this point illustrates the work of ideological madmen. Our future is very perilous and uncertain.

  • dave

    i remember some time ago , i signed a petition not to have a park in the neighborhhod. way to expensive for the land. now the land is one third the price and now they are thinking again odf buying that piece of property, because its cheaper. What i am saying is that it is not the time to have a one world government for obvious reasons. Maybe down the line like two hundred years from now. With all these backword dictators, and so on, why would this country even think about this, but then of course its the very dicators that want in the first place.

    • DaveH

      Would-be tyrants advocate moving Government as far away from the People as they can. The further Government is from the people they govern, the less constraints they have to their Power.

  • sueted

    Stash your weapons you will need them.

    • Michael J.

      For those of you about to read Flashy’s daily putzing below, know this…
      When he asks questions like the one below about the Bilderberg meetings, he knows full well what the answers are. The real intent is to reveal methods of research and implicate responders. He is after all a compensated advocate of the tyranical administrations lust for power at any cost. Be forewarned!

  • Flashy

    So much to comment on today’s writings by Mr. Livingston.

    First.
    ——-
    “… It’s a meeting that was not announced to the press pool covering the Obama campaign until the reporters had been locked on Obama’s campaign plane. Campaign spokesman Robert Gibbs was glib with reporters who at the time protested the secrecy of the meeting. (The original Associated Press version of this story has been scrubbed from the Internet and only heavily edited versions can be found using Google.)”
    ———
    Okay….so there is this powerful secret yet not secret group that held a meeting and what was once posted on the ‘net is now heavily edited and the real version has disappeared. But….here’s what really happened.

    Mr. Livingston….I am only asking if the ‘net makes everything permanent, and certainly this Bilderburg group doesn’t yet have world domination as yet…just how does one know what really occurred during that meeting? is it supposition?
    =========

    Recent executive orders signed by Obama with little or no coverage by the corporatist mainstream media reveal the progress of the elites’ intentions. One was signed in February 2011, and it was a major step in erasing the border between the United States and Canada. It was a continuation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) that was begun by George W. Bush in 2005.
    ————-
    Ummm…prior to Bush II sealing our borders and beginning to wall us in, open borders with Canada and Mexico had existed for decades. What used to be a drive and a wave through border crossing into Canada now is a drawn out process of showing passports, being checked, then receiving clearance. It is now an “international” border with all the Customs and Immigration procedures present. That biorder was, before Bush II and for decades before him…in name only. You criticize as some “conspiraracy” any move back to what existed ??? You call for the ongoing wall penning us in? Not only ongoing, but strengthen those walls?

    =========
    The second one signed by Obama last week under the guise of streamlining U.S. regulations to make it easier for U.S. companies to compete globally, makes the U.S. comport to regulations set by the world.
    ———-
    Well…it (the EO) doesn’t exactly do what is stated here. I am surprised at this one Mr. Livingston. What this EO does is establish a study group of representatives from fed agencies of State and Commerce AND industry, to study how to streamline and establish a standard for measurements and regulations which will make it easier for export from domestic manufacturing plants producing products for the domestic markets. A study group, nothing more.

    Hopefully resulting in recommendations to Congress to set more uniform standards. Imagine..being able to take a cell phone across borders and having it work, having a credit card that works overseas with a swipe, ATMs overseas dispensing cash from ones bank back home. heck…someone posted a tidbit last week about VW having an engine that attains a high gas mileage, available around the world but here.

    So, in this technological age…working for that uniformity to ease trade and reduce regulation is viewed as part of an overall evil conspiracy?
    =========

    Unless one wants to revert backwards, and prevent the US from stepping up and maintaining the leadership role it has throughout the world, then there has to be acceptance of one inescapable fact. We are entering an environment of a world without borders. It may take the next 200 years, but it is an inescapable fact if we as a society and civilization are to progress.

    Even now the “border walls” are falling. Once a month i have to be sharply dressed at 11:00 at night holding a vid call with counterparts as well as realize the date differences (OK, follow up on Friday. Whose Friday? yours or mine?) . I am by far not unusual in this aspect.

    It won’t be “secret societies’ or governments moving the world closer together into one overall society…it will be the People. take the Arab Spring. Unimaginable without the instant communication of the internet and cell phones. Yet..it spread across the borders trampling with ease over the roadblocks the dictators put up attempting to prevent its spread. The ones who will be against a unified world society/ the very ones claimed to be creating one. governments and ‘secret societies’. Why and for what reason would they want to cede whatever power they have and share it with other governments? For such a society as the internet and modern technology is enabling the People works against the regionalization and nationalistic reasons for a State to exist and to have “power” and “influence”.

    The goal, as i see it, for Americans is to maintain our dominance on the world stage so our children and grandchildren grow up leading a world based on American values, mores and culture. Not that of another country.

    • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

      How can this possibly be research for Flashman’s “Job” – :)

      • Karolyn

        Liberty – He could be employed in any number of industries. Who really cares?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        He’s very very concerned that we understand that he’s only here to do research…. :)
        So the answer is flashy flashman cares. I would guess many of us just view him as a joke -

      • JeffH

        Libertytrain, ain’t that the truth.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        jeff – :) but he must have a fan in karolyn….

      • Karolyn

        I find some of what Flashy writes to be quite interesting. It’s also a plus when rather than refute his assertions with fact, conservatives make fun or put him down. Does that not mean they have nothing to say on the matter? I do not agree with everything he says, but his remarks do provide balance for the thinking person to ponder rather than just accept something posted by an established conserative poster here as gospel. Unlike so many, I know I do not have all the answers; and am always working at coming up with my own conclusions.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        there are several liberals on this board not “put down” – Flashy isn’t one of them because he has been found to be an absolute phoney in the very least and much worse. Your prerogative to enjoy his writings is just that – your prerogative.

      • Opal the Gem

        ” It’s also a plus when rather than refute his assertions with fact, conservatives make fun or put him down.”

        Karolyn a big part of the reason he is made fun of or put down is Flashy has been proven to be a lier many times over. He has been proven to use “facts” drawn out of thin air on many occasions.

    • TML

      Flashy says, “Okay….so there is this powerful secret yet not secret group that held a meeting and what was once posted on the ‘net is now heavily edited and the real version has disappeared. … … I am only asking if the ‘net makes everything permanent, and certainly this Bilderburg group doesn’t yet have world domination as yet…just how does one know what really occurred during that meeting? is it supposition?”

      It didn’t say a powerful secret group, it said secret meeting with the Bilderberg Group. And it didn’t say the meeting was once posted on the net, it said the version of the story from Associated Press was posted on the net, but the original can no longer be found. Seeing as how it was a secret meeting, what occurred during such meeting can indeed, only be presupposed. Missing your morning coffee, Flashy?

      Flashy says, “Ummm…prior to Bush II sealing our borders and beginning to wall us in, open borders with Canada and Mexico had existed for decades. What used to be a drive and a wave through border crossing into Canada now is a drawn out process of showing passports, being checked, then receiving clearance. It is now an “international” border with all the Customs and Immigration procedures present. That biorder was, before Bush II and for decades before him…in name only. You criticize as some “conspiraracy” any move back to what existed ??? You call for the ongoing wall penning us in? Not only ongoing, but strengthen those walls?”

      A agree with that… although, I don’t see our national borders as “walls penning us in”, and do agree with strengthening those borders rather than the ‘walls’ of other countries around the globe. We should strengthen our borders, while admitting trade… which seemed to be refused with things such as the pipeline from Canada.

      Flashy says, “Well…it (the EO) doesn’t exactly do what is stated here. I am surprised at this one Mr. Livingston. What this EO does is establish a study group of representatives from fed agencies of State and Commerce AND industry, to study how to streamline and establish a standard for measurements and regulations which will make it easier for export from domestic manufacturing plants producing products for the domestic markets. A study group, nothing more.”

      Nothing more? But did you in your own words just say, “to study how to streamline and ESTABLISH a standard for measurements and regulations”…? I don’t know about you but an Executive Order that established a “study group” to establish regulations regarding international trade, in to the hand of a few incompetent bureaucrats… it’s just asking for trouble.

      Flashy says, “Hopefully resulting in recommendations to Congress to set more uniform standards. Imagine..being able to take a cell phone across borders and having it work, having a credit card that works overseas with a swipe, ATMs overseas dispensing cash from ones bank back home. heck…someone posted a tidbit last week about VW having an engine that attains a high gas mileage, available around the world but here.”

      But this isn’t reducing regulation; it’s creating more in which to ‘govern’ such capability before allowing it. You started with hoping Congress sets MORE uniform standards. Besides, it seems to me that cell phone working across borders depends on the service you have from your provider. My work-issued blackberry will function pretty much anywhere in the world. ATM’s? Personally, I don’t trust backs as it is, and don’t care to such ease… when I travel I go prepared, and if you do use backs, travels checks work just fine and very secure.

      Flashy says, “So, in this technological age…working for that uniformity to ease trade and reduce regulation is viewed as part of an overall evil conspiracy?”

      When it’s the government dictating it, yes. The government needs to get out of the way… that will ease trade and reduce regulation. I think Ayn Rand was right when she said, “there should be a separation of State and economy the same as there is separation of church and State”.

      Flashy says, “Unless one wants to revert backwards, and prevent the US from stepping up and maintaining the leadership role it has throughout the world, then there has to be acceptance of one inescapable fact. We are entering an environment of a world without borders.”

      That is not the least bit true. America will remain the leadership role based on it own merit of production and industry, and can do that with less government interference and regulation. Government only legitimate role is to restrain men from inuring others, and otherwise leave them free in their own pursuits of happiness and industry, mediate State disputes, and provide for the common defense… that’s it, nothing more… no regulations that help industries gain monopolies, or manipulate economics.

      Flashy says, “It may take the next 200 years, but it is an inescapable fact if we as a society and civilization are to progress.”

      I would call your imperialist ideas more to reverting to the past, and is certainly not an inescapable fact for society to progress. To move forward, we must respect sovereignty, customs, culture, of all nations and people, and trade with them freely without the ambitions of government interference in economic trade.

      Flashy says, “It won’t be “secret societies’ or governments moving the world closer together into one overall society”

      All of human history disagrees with you.

      Flashy says, “…it will be the People. take the Arab Spring. Unimaginable without the instant communication of the internet and cell phones. Yet..it spread across the borders trampling with ease over the roadblocks the dictators put up attempting to prevent its spread. The ones who will be against a unified world society/ the very ones claimed to be creating one. governments and ‘secret societies’. Why and for what reason would they want to cede whatever power they have and share it with other governments?”

      The only ones that will oppose it will be the ones at the bottom. You advocate the United States being the leadership role, and so your remain ignorant to the fact that other nations will indeed not be so willing to cede their power, not even the people of those nations to cede their sovereignty, to what you perceive as the only culture that should dominate the earth… yours.

      Flashy says, “For such a society as the internet and modern technology is enabling the People works against the regionalization and nationalistic reasons for a State to exist and to have “power” and “influence”.”

      Internet and modern technology, free trade, does not dissolve the need, or even desire, for sovereignty, and preservation of cultures and people.

      Flashy says, “The goal, as i see it, for Americans is to maintain our dominance on the world stage so our children and grandchildren grow up leading a world based on American values, mores and culture. Not that of another country.”

      The goal as I see it is to separate government from economics to allow America to maintain such economic dominance on it own merit of industry and improvement, and not by force, with military bases all over the globe, regulating everything, and respecting the values, morals, and cultures, of those who are different.

      • TML

        Ouy… backs = banks
        Looks like I need more coffee to, lol

  • Pastor

    Get ready for the anti-christ! He is on his way! Even so, come Lord Jesus.

    • Flashy

      good thing the majority of people in this nation aren’t christian so we don’t have to have this phobia eh?

      • FreedomFighter

        Your problem Flashman, I will pray for you, even though I know your to far gone.

        It ends badly for Lucys and Tares.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Flashy

        actually FF…I am merely applying the “test” cited last week by a post here on what makes someone a “christian” when asked about the contention President Obama is not a christian. . Applying the test, from the data it appears only 20% of Americans are ‘true christians” .

        Good thing eh? Minimizes those who have these insecurity feelings and talking about their phobias … a Second Coming, the rapture, Satan, etc …

      • FreedomFighter

        You judge a man by his actions, if his actions are christian…Obama’s action are not consistent with christians beliefs, though he would make a perfect MUSLIM

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Michael J.

        Flashy,
        Just for the record, 78% of Americans refer to themselves as Christians.

      • Flashy

        Michael … what they call themselves is not relevant according to what the ‘test’ was spelled out in determining whether President Obama was a christian. I am only reciting what a post detailed as the ‘test’ for being a christian…(supported by a cite from the Bible no less)

        So if that is what Pres. Obama should meet to determine his ‘christianity”, I would assume it applies to all

      • Nadzieja Batki

        It seems you have a phobia about Christians.

      • charlie

        Most people are not as smart as they THINK they are,,,IF,,, you are deceived how would you know it???

      • Michael J.

        Flashy,
        If research is indeed your field or hobby, why is it that you can not answer your own questions about Bilderberg???

      • Michael J.

        Flashy says:
        “I am only reciting what a post detailed as the ‘test’ for being a christian…(supported by a cite from the Bible no less)”

        Your grammar school gestapo attempt at festiciousness is an abysmal failure, don’t quit your day job.
        Oh… wait a minute… this is your day job.

    • charlie

      Pastor ,,, et al,,,
      Have you read The Holy Bible much??? check out 1John 2:22 and you may see the anti-christs have been around since King Jesus went out of sight ,,, now for “””The””” anti- christ ,,,he’s just another anti – christ in a holloween suit …
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…

      • dawgbisquit1

        And you’re just another blltherin’ idiot chuck!!!

  • Raggs

    If you would read the BIBLE you would understand what is happening and why.
    I hate oblama but I think in order for the biblical prophesy to be fullfilled oblama will have to be re-elected.

    • charlie

      Raggs,,,et al,,,
      King Jesus ,,,The King of America ,,, don’t need NO crossbreed to fullfill prophesy … You need some “Scripture” to back up your claim,,, could it be that you are just another false prophet christian among the many on this site??? Try the book of Obadiah …
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

  • D

    They can sign lots of binding documents with lots of fanfare & camera flashes recording it all, but they MUST eventually confiscate the arms of 50 to 100 million US citizens for them to bring us in.
    Won’t happen…

    • charlie

      D,,, et al,,,
      What happened at Ruby ridge ,,,what happened at Waco ??? are yo’all next???

  • http://hbledbetter@gmail.com Henry Ledbetter

    I would advise all to search the scriptures for in them you can find AN ETERNAL LIFE that is far greater than anything this world has to offer. In the meantime, LORD GRANT US THE WISDOM to be in this world but not of this world system of destruction that has been described and planned.by the wicked that are setting themselves up as god. Rest assured that their folly will work to bring about their own destruction but sad to say much of the world will also be brought to destruction. Those that KNOW CHRIST and have a relationship with Him will be the winners when all is said and done. WE need to REPENT, to cast away all our transgressions, to get a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 18: 31).

    • MAP

      Sound advise, Henry!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      PRAY!!!

    • moonbeam

      Absolutely right, Henry. People may poo-poo it away and laugh, but they won’t be laughing when the proverbial stuff hits the fan. That’s when non-believers will cry out to God for help. He will say to them “I don’t know you.” Seek Him now while He may be found.

      Everything, and I mean everything that is happening today can be found in Bible Prophesy, which always has been and always will be 100% spot on. And STILL people think this great book with instructions for living means nothing….written thousands of years ago can’t possibly be relevant now. But au contraire! It is just as relevant now as it was in the days it was written.

    • charlie

      Henry,,,et al,,,
      Ezekiel 31 was written to the house of Israel ,,,are you one of the children of Israel ??? What is the Salvation Scripture from Peter ,,,one of the King’s Men,,,???try Acts 2:38 backed up with 1Peter 3:21…Who are the children of Israel today???
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…

      • ohoh

        They’re not who the universalist Judeo-Christians say they are, and once revealed, it will be quite ironic.

  • Power To The People

    “D” I agree….not getting my protection. The Obummer lovers will lay down and pray for food and shelter from the benevolent big brother.

  • Sarah R.

    It was at least three years ago that Glenn Beck briefly mentioned Bilderberg. I only remember him saying “I know what a Build-a-bear is but not a Bilderberg. David Rockefeller started Bilderberg in 1954 thinking their intelligence and money would bring a NWO. Everything that has happened to America; atheist agenda removing Christianity; GLBT support; same sex marriage; the destruction of the family; every president from LBJ was groomed, bought and paid for by the Bilderbergs with the exception of Ronald Reagen even including the trash you watch on TV has all been a grand scheme of the Bilderbergs and the uber rich I’m as guilty as the next man. I was politically asleep until Obama came upon the scene. George Soros told you that Romney was no different than Obama. Why didn’t you listen? Now they are telling you Rubio is being groomed. Are you going to listen now? David Rockefeller is somewhere in his 90s and he hopes to see this Global takeover before he dies and goes to hell. Hence, all their meetings have in the past been in the Netherlands. Lately they have been meeting in the US. They are so close to a takeover. America and Israel are the only thing blocking them from a total takeover. Our beliefs in the Lord Almiighty is the only thing stopping them. We have to unite and stop these insane people. America is better than what these people want.

  • Peter Timber

    MEXICANAMERICA our new nation gestating in the womb of the wicked…..

  • Tazio2013

    Why Hasn’t the Revolution Already Happened? by Julian Rose / FYI

    As the tremors of change fill the air and shake the ground with increasing regularity, human reactions seem increasingly polarised. One set of responses is to hunker down, avert the eyes, close the ears and try to pretend that everything’s pretty much okay. Another is to express increasing alarm and increasing fear about where it is all leading: the “Did you see? Did you read? Did you hear?” syndrome. It is to all our misfortunes that that these two reactions to the current state of play on our planet remain the predominant response.

    The third way: to look the situation in the eye, to calmly assess the reality and then to take action to prevent a disaster and/or to set out a solution, remains a minority response.

    That which is holding back the revolution required to radically redress the top-down enslavement of humanity and the destruction of our planetary resource base seems to hinge on three conditions:

    Too many people are too comfortable and prefer to believe what the propaganda machine tells them.
    Too many people are too uncomfortable and remain preoccupied with a basic level of survival.
    Too many people remain indifferent or afraid and shut themselves off from the potential to change.

    The ‘too comfortable’ are those able to hermetically seal themselves away from the plight of our planet, using money as their main insulation material. Within our Western society these people belong not just to the elite 1% but more probably to the 20 or 30% who still hold down jobs capable of providing them with above-average incomes. They are mostly on the infamous ‘keeping up with the neighbours’ social ladder which demands constant engagement with image and the appearance of wealth. ‘Must haves’ for these people include: the new car, the bourgeois residence, the right clothes, the Roundup weed free garden, the latest TV, iPod and the right circle of friends who also reflect broadly the same aspirations.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/why-hasnt-revolution-already-happened.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidhendrick.behrens David Hendrick Behrens

    France has fallen towards Socialism, Greek is and is going Bankrupt and rest of Europe is struggling and they don’t know which way to turn or agree on anything, as all their economies are in bad shape and getting worse daily and their citizens are in a panic and rage and just helpless, as that whole area is going to hell in a hand bag………………..

    So NO THANKS, you wishful Liberals.. No Socialism for the USA, We the Veterans, don’t want that here, we the want the USA to stay a Democracy, for We the People and keep it’s Freedoms and be the Shining Light, as it has been for the World ! That is what we Veterans fought for, bravely and honorably since 1776 and to many of us, good men and women died doing that, to let the USA turn towards an other Europe ! Vietnam Veteran USMC FMF 66/67..

    • Flashy

      David…if you reviewed the economic policies of Europe, you’d realize one of the main reasons for Europe’s crisis is they chose to adopt policies of austerity back in ’08-’09. The same policies which the right urged then (and now0 to battle the economic malaise brought to this nation courtesy of Conservatives and their economic policies since 1980.

      Looking at the stock market this morning since the opening bell, the transfer from Sarkozy to Hollande is being met fairly well and as good news. Market is down by a few points, and gold and oil are down.

      Now..why do you suppose the prospect of Europe trashing those policies urged by the far Right today has the market reacting positively ?

      • 45caliber

        lol … LOL !!!

      • Flashy

        45 … FYI…

        ““Immediate austerity, in recessionary economies, simply doesn’t work — a point apparently better understood by many European voters than those they have elected,” David Kelly, chief market strategist at J.P. Morgan Funds. “

      • 45caliber

        And you believe the guy? Try reading what Sowell says. He seems to be the one with the best head on his shoulders.

    • Sarah R.

      The world is watching America. Waiting to see what “We The People” are going to do. America was a land of refuge for the world. We can and must keep it that way If we stand against these insane NWO Globalists, the uber-rich who think they can make it a better world the rest of the world will follow. “We The People” are going to win.

    • moonbeam

      David, we are a Constitutional Republic. Democracy is mob rule and eventually implodes just like it is doing now. Any politician who doesn’t know the difference does not get my vote and is why Christie would never get mine.

      We have so many in gov’t who don’t know the first thing about the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a democracy.

  • Tazio2013

    “Disinformation On Every Front” by Paul Craig Roberts / FYI

    Americans plugged into the Matrix are programmed to believe that they have correct information provided by a varied and “independent media.” In fact the media is owned by 5 or 6 mega-media companies run by corporate advertising executives and Washington.

    Recently, Bloomberg gave us the report that “Japan, Denmark and Switzerland are among the countries to rally this week to [IMF chief] Lagarde’s call for a bigger lending capacity beyond the current $380 billion to shield the world economy against any deepening of Europe’s debt turmoil.”

    This Bloomberg report is nonsensical. The loans are not shielding the world economy. The loans are shielding the private banks from their own mistakes at the expense of the world economy. The Bloomberg report shows how completely the Western media is involved in forcing ordinary peoples to subsidize private bankers. It could not be more clear; yet, there is no embarrassment at Bloomberg for serving as the bankers’ propagandist.

    Indeed, there is only honor. Serving the Matrix is where lie the rewards. Those who oppose the Matrix are the outcasts whose efforts might, as in the film, save the race of humans from the domination of evil, or else, if they lose, confine the outcasts to prosecution and death.

    Across every front Americans are fed lies. The official media line is that the Japanese Fukushima nuclear threat from the earthquake and aftermath is well contained and over. However, the fact of the matter appears to be that an amazing radioactive inventory of both spent and unused fuel rods is in damaged cooling pools that could suffer collapse at any time (especially if there is another earthquake), thus releasing enormous radioactivity (reference link). This possibility presents a greater threat than the initial molten cores of the reactors themselves. Michael Chossudovsky points out that the media is yet to acknowledge the widespread contamination resulting from the Fukushima disaster, and there may be worse to come.

    But who cares? Back to the Matrix and the “reality show.”

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/disinformation-on-every-front.html

    • CardinalMo

      Taxzio2013 Have you thought the reason that American media does not discuss the continuing risks from Fikoshima is because our Corporates are still pushing for Nuclear Power in the USA. We have power plants on major fault lines in California. All we need is one good earthquake. I’d like to know what total idiot decided that San Andres fault line was a great choice location to place a Nuclear Power Plant…expecially since it was a new industry and knowingly a dangerous undertaking. I guess we can follow the money here too!

  • FreedomFighter

    Resist The Death Camps of Obama!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlvzliUqMQY&feature=uploademail

    “Alex also covers the massive police state rollout in Chicago as the NATO war council prepares to convene. He also adds new details on draconian re-education camps where political activists will be forced to appreciate the murderous foreign policy of the ruling elite.”

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • truesoy

      Please tell me the Marines did not do this to you, please. In the meantime back at the ranch…..; oh well, whats the point?.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        So I take it you’re not buyin’ it, huh truesoy? I predict it won’t be long and you’ll see that FF has been a FAITHFUL watchman on the wall! I’ve been followin’ AJ a long time now and I must say that there’s something not right about this whole thing! How could someone accuse our government of the things that AJ has accused them of still be walkin’ around?!! I mean if our government were that evil, wouldn’t AJ’ve suffered an untimely death like say Tim Russert, or Aaron Russo, or even more recently Andrew Breitbart?!! If he were lyin’, could he get away with it?!! I mean someone wouldn’t have debunked him and been done with it?!! I mean I’m just wonderin’, anybody else?!! Oh, and where does AJ’s money come from?! Anybody answer that one?! I’ve said since the beginning that if the things that he’s accusin’ our government of is nothin’ but bunch of anarchist propaganda, then he should be shot for treason!!! If he’s right folks, and I truly believe that if he isn’t, he not that far off, we’re in for a FIGHT!!! TIME TO MAN UP! GOD BE WITH US!!!

        • truesoy

          Of course I’m not buying it, for I’m still sane, which is more than I can say for FF and anyone else that agrees with him.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Tom W.

            What’s it feel like to be a living fulfillment of Bible prophecy truesoy?!

            “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” – II Tim. 3:1-5 (KJV)

            “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” – II Pet. 3:3&4 (KJV)

          • truesoy

            ….that in the last days ‘perilous’ times will come!. This may have a nice ring of ‘last days’ for the urgency to act, but the truth is that perilous times have been around us since the beginning of time, and they are always there, and all present and future generations will hear and fear it just as past generations have heard and feared it, too.
            It is the inconsistency of the conservative mind that puzzles me. The conservative is quick to quote the Scriptures on the one hand, but on the other is quick to dismiss logic as it would be a sin not to do it, eventhough logic is a God given virtue. And here is where we are missing pieces of the puzzle..
            However, for this reason being a ‘conservative’ (with all the bells and whistles), and a ‘christian’ too, presents itself as an oxymoron.
            I’m not by any means denying God, I’m simply suggesting that you separate God from religion, and while you still believe in Him, to also stay in touch with reality.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, it would seem as if you don’t consider the Scriptures logical? Is that true? If you know the truth and can prove it through other means other than yourself, don’t you feel the need to help people by sharing your information? Why is it that you seldom if ever reveal the source of your knowledge?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            OK truesoy, what is reality?! You say God, and then turn right around and insinuate that if you bring Him up, you’re bein’ unrealistic?!! He is or He ain’t, which is it?!! I’m confused!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Na, you’re only confuse because truesoy is confused. The poor creature can’t even find his own real answers so he just makes stuff up as he goes…or is it she?

          • Tom W.

            At least he doesn’t talk in gibberish, I THOUGHT IT IMPOSSILE on the keyboard! But that charlie, HE’s SOMETHIN’ ELSE!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Yeah, but Jesus loves him too Katrael! Yeah. I know, I think he’s an a$$hole also but Jesus STILL loves him! LOL!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. you’re right Yahoshua loves truesoy also. Still, if you listen to long to truesoy it’ll make you as batty as he is. :) Opps, sorry about that CardinalMo, I just labeled truesoy. :) Tom W. I can’t say that you didn’t try to warn me though.

          • truesoy

            Don’t worry, I don’t take offense in your comment because I know you don’t know any better.
            I tried but failed to reason with the likes of you and Katrail on the subject matter, as it is an essential component of any logical outcome, and therefore I must question the wisdom, if any, to continue making the effort to help you think ‘outside the box’.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXIJw-VRui0&feature=related
            truesoy, I am outside the box. Where do you think the vast majority of people live? They live in the box of big government that they somehow think is better than big business. Neither one cares at all about the common person except for the support that those common persons will give to them until they don’t need them anymore.

            That link above contains information that is relevant to today and it’s not just about the Black population but it’s about poor people in general.

            I don’t care if you stop communicating with me and yes I did try to denigrate you. I apologize for that. I really think you, like most of us are or have been, are deceived. I’ve asked you to support your position with something other than your opinions and you come back with more opinion that is not supported by anything that I can judge.

            What if you tell me I can jump off the tallest building without some kind of safety net and that if I pray to you that I’ll be completely unharmed when I hit the ground? That may be your honest opinion but it would take an awful lot of faith on my part as you don’t offer any proof. My experience with falling tells me otherwise.

            Look at the video above…in fact watch all the parts and then tell me that these people are liars and lying about how our government wants to deceive us? Get me some proof for me and others to look at other than your opinion and maybe I’ll be able to see things more your way.

            Now, my past experience with you tells me that you won’t even look at this information or that even if you did that you would not do any research or offer anything of substance to support or refute the claims made in the video. I do hope I’m wrong because I’d like to see what you have to offer.

            Until then: be well and prosper.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I’m getting closer. Here’s a link that claim babies were sacrificed to the asteroth: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/massacre.html. I’m still lookin. I haven’t yet read it all and so I don’t know if it says how or what they did with the sacrifice babies but it’s a beginning.

          • Tom W.

            I was unable to open the last one.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. are you talking about the one that references the three month old babies? I managed to download the .doc and I did a find and replace search in Word Perfect but I couldn’t find anything in the document that way. I guess I’ve got to read it. I’ll keep searching. At least I know I didn’t make it up. Looks like it’s past my bed time. Be well and may YHWH bless you.

          • Tom W.

            Good LOOKIN’ out Bro! Lelah tov my Brother, Mah Shalomkah!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Boker Tov v shalomkah achi. Hope you are well and had a good rest? Beautiful day here in West Central Georgia. Nothing new to add here this morning, just thought I’d say hey.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Back at cha Homeskillet!!! Likewise here in the FL Panhandle Bro!!! You couldn’t order up a more PERFECT day, ONLY God could supply!!!

          • Tom W.

            Wow Katrael, GREAT link! It didn’t answer our question but did an awsome job of explaining the spritual ties of abortion to the practices of the ancient pagans!!! It was awsome and I have a friend whose wife councils young women who find themselves in this unfortunate predicament, and I ‘m SURE that she”ll love this also!!! GOOD lookin’ out Bro!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Yes I was very impressed with the information provided there. The subject of abortion is dear to my heart. I know our Creator YHWH says that it is murder and I know it is. People try to counter Scriptural arguments against it with secular arguments that a woman has a right to determine what happens with her body. I don’t argue with them if it’s a right anymore because YHWH gives us the choice and we have to make it so, yes women do have that right but they also have to stand before YHWH and His Son Yehoshua to answer for what they did…or they can repent, admit that their fathers sinned, accept Yehoshua as their Messiah, accept their punishment and be forgiven.

            I’m male and never took an active part in abortion but I took a passive part because I did nothing at all to try to stop it. I didn’t raise my cry against it because I was too young to understand. My future wife to be at the time was fitted with an IUD which sets up a condition in the uterus where the newly created human beings can’t attach and is then passed out during the period. This form of abortion is no less murder than any other. One day I felt a conviction about this issue and when I realized what I had done I was devastated. I’ve repented, admitted that my fathers have sinned, accepted Yahoshua as my Messiah, accepted my punishment and I’ve been forgiven. My punishment: wondering just how many of my children I allowed to be murdered and what they would have been like. I miss them. I don’t feel guilt anymore but I do wonder. Anyway, probably more than you wanted to know. I’m adamant about abortion in all forms.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            How much do you know about the history of PP Katrael?!! Do you even realize what a HUGE part they play in the NWO vison?!! They make Margret Sanger out to be some kinda New Age Saint when in reality, her studies and experiments were touted by the likes of Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASrFufnMNDg

            Watch all 13 parts!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I’m a little slow on the uptake sometimes and it took me a while to figure out what PP was. I know a fair amount about it and I know where it got it’s start. I long felt that abortion and birth control in general was nothing more than an attempt to subjugate the masses. The propaganda about the necessity to practice birth control, and the right for woman to safe abortions, made women who were tired of living in a male dominated society, unwitting pawns in this quest for control by the elite.

            Have you ever watched the video “Expelled” that starred Ben Stein? He covers some of the same information that the Maafa videos covers but not in the same amount of detail.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I watched the first two parts of the Maafa video on eugenics. It’s very well made. I’m going to watch the rest. It’s good viewing.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I also found this and downloaded the .doc but I can’t find where it actually say anything about the three month old babies. I’m tired and I haven’t read the whole thing yet. FOREVER SETTLED IN HEAVEN
            http://www.laydownlife.net/yedidah/word/Forever%20Settled%20in%​20Heaven.doc · DOC file

            The priests of Easter (Ishtar, Astarte, Asteroth; I Kings 18:19; Jeremiah7:18 … take their 3 month-old babies and sacrifice them to the gods. The blood of these babies …

          • Tom W.

            Yhanx Bro, I’ll check it out!!!

  • Howard Roark

    For decades the US Constitution has been the sticking point for the new world order. the liberals have been trying since the nineteen twentys to weaken the Constitution to the point of it’s being irrelevent. In the progressive platform document of 1912 the progressives (liberals) tell us that they are going to find a fast way to change the Constitution. They knew that they hade virtually no way to change it legally with the amendment. so instead they quickly realized that it is so much easier to put their liar for hire members in as Federal Judges. (its easier to put five liars on the supreme court than to let the american people be involved with the amendment.) Over the years they have managed to give an extreme amount of usurped power to congress with their bastardization of the Commerce and general welfare clause.

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    From a purely secular standpoint, a benevolent one world government makes all the sense in the world. Equality of opportunity and no war between member states. The problem: would it be possible for a one world government to be benevolent. Not at all.

    From a religious standpoint: all things must come to pass before mankind will learn his final lesson: that there has to be a true moral authority and that the mores of that authority bring life, liberty, prosperity and happiness to those who adhere to them.
    For YHWH and Country

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    Bob Livingston, are you sure that it’s socialism that these criminals want? I think it’s more sinister than that.

    • 45caliber

      Kat:

      I suspect it is more along the lines of totalitarianism.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        45caliber, certainly Bob knows that?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Katrael,

      Socialism = Central Planning = Serfdom

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Bob, thanks for the missing piece of the puzzle. Now I’m a little less ignorant. Thanks again.

        • CardinalMo

          To Charlie.

          Socialism, I keep repeating is supposed to be a direct deomcracy. It is an economic system not supposed to be a political system. Obviouslly, it does not work well in a representative government like we and the european nations currently have.

          Define the tenents of Socialism for me. OK?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Socialism. From each according to his ability to each according to his need. The problem comes when those with ability get tired of the fruits of their labor goinh to those with need that do nothing or as little as possible.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Amen.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Socialism is 2 or more creatures together,.. ( Pro & Con) ~ (Pro & Pro) ~ (Con & Con)

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Wrong place to ridicule Socialism… This board, is a Great EXAMPLE!

  • darren

    no worries the Lord is in control not the burgerbuilders. It is written in the Bible of times like we are living in remember that HIS son Jesus is your way to the new world and thats an order. Accept him today into your heart and have your name written in the book of life draw close to him everyday and watch as he changes you from the inside out.

    • charlie

      darren,,,
      Good but some of these people only know numbers like 45,,M16 etc… Give em some numbers Like ,,,Acts 2:38 for salvation,,,verified by 1Peter3:21 then tell emm who our Leader is ,,,Praise KingJesus for Salvation and Healing…

  • FreedomFighter

    Army To oversee Torture And Slave Labor!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76VQ3caaAeI&feature=uploademail

    “Go to Infowars.com to read the Army documents and to hear the radio reports,video.”

    Torture and Slave labor, Obamas plan for you.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • 45caliber

      FF:

      Socialism/Communism is based on assigning workers jobs, whether they want them or not. And there is no ability to change jobs once assigned. Since most of the money they make goes to the government (usually directly since they don’t get paid much) that is what I call slave labor.

      In fact, in our own system, a slave is someone who’s labor goes to enrich someone else, right? Doesn’t that describe the taxpayers?

      • FreedomFighter

        A slave is forced to do the job.

        Freemen choose.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        45caliber, it certainly is slavery and they have the system rigged so that most don’t know it. The criminals take our wealth one tiny morsel at a time and from so many places at once that nobody is able to focus on exactly where they’re getting bitten the worst. Like swatting at a thousand ants biting you at the same time. And for some reason they have accepted the most painful bites to be important to their survival so they won’t do anything about being bitten that way.

      • 45caliber

        Kat:

        Sometimes for fun, try to determine how much tax you pay a year. That includes things like licenses, etc. since they are also a form a taxation.

        I really doubt if you can since a lot of that tax is hidden in the items you buy from a store. If someone is taxed for making something, you can bet they pass along that tax to the customers too. The real problem is that no one can really determine just what the real bite it. Over 50% at least …

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        45caliber, Sorry I didn’t respond sooner as your comment didn’t show up in my email but your point is important and I want you to know that I think I understand what you’re talking about? I kinda tried one time but gave up trying to figure out just how much tax we pay. There are so many hidden corporate taxes built into the products and services we buy that it’s almost hopeless. I’ve been in business and know that for some the tax burdens may be as high as fifty percent and that gets put onto the backs of the consumer who then pays sales taxes on top of those hidden corporate taxes.

      • truesoy

        Socialism and communism are two different systems.
        Socialism is an economic system that already exists in many democracies, such as, Europe, Israel, Chile, etc., and the government does not assign people jobs, and nor force them to stay in them.
        Communism is a dictatorial political system, and none of these countries above are communist.
        Ps.- if you want to enhance your credibility on a subject, learn the facts; it will go a long way.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • CardinalMo

          Thanks a bunch Truesoy…tha’s what I’ve been trying to explain to these people.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            It just goes to prove what a talented teacher you are CM! LOL!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Sure they’re different, I mean after all they have different titles. But, they do have one thing in common which is a central pillar for their systems, central planning. Eventually, the socialist systems will morph into a full blown central dictatorship system. That’s progress for you. It has to happen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.
  • Lene

    Am I surprised? No! Even though “how” this advent was to take place I did not know or is still not completely revealed YET, it will happen! The One World Government was predicted in the Bible, along with One world religion, currency-which will be eventually only electronic and One World Wide Leader….THE Anti-Christ..the wheels are already in motion! First you will see a complete collapse of the worlds economic system, food shortages, nations against Israel and rioting world wide—then when everything seems lost… the evil one will step in and people will be fooled to follow him while he seems to be the answer!

    • charlie

      What is happening has happened before ,,,nothing new under the Sun,,,the “””FIX””” for what happened before is called out in The Holy Bible and the same fix will work today…

    • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

      Your comment is correct, a lot of people will be fooled in to this new leader, I think it will be a hologram projected from secret satellite’s which is part of the secret project blue beam associated with H.A.A.R.P. technology. look it up

  • Sarah R.

    I find it very curious that no one not even Fox News has discussed the fact that Rubio is not qualified to be VP. His parents were not American citizens at his birth. Fox News is part owned by a Saudi prince. Perhaps Fox has joined the NWO Globalists. In that case, “We The People” cannot trust anyone.

    • 45caliber

      Sarah:

      World News Daily (wnd.com) has discussed this. But I suppose if the Demos can ignore that requirement then the GOP can too.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Sarah R.,

      Fox News has always been a part of NWO Globalists. It’s job is to reinforce the false left/right paradigm.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • moonbeam

      You know you’ve hit on something here, Sarah. Rubio is INELIGIBLE to be president so how can he be vice president next in line? More tricks, smoke and mirrors.

      Come on America wake up and smell the bacon…it’s burning!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Rubio cannot be a V P either or even be in any line of the progression to the Presidency. To be sure if a precedent has been set once it will be tried again.
        If the Constitution of these United States has already been set aside, there is not much to stop these power grabbers except to vote them out.

  • uvuvuv

    when we have one world government, the misfits of society who are now being used to facilitate the transition will no longer be useful. do you really think welfare, gays and a certain race will be tolerated? also criminals, mental cases, the chronically ill and the elderly will be scrutinized as to their worth to society. if people think they’re having trouble with their insurance companies now, just think when there is no insurance for long term conditions. broken legs, yes, insurance. cancer, no. it will be a more efficient, productive and harmonious world, where for a time an “average” worldwide religion would be allowed, but then it would be outlawed as useless. the party will be the new religion, and why not? i don’t see any of those bible thumpers paying me my social security, but the government certainly is. that’s why we should welcome this development. if you’re young, healthy and attractive you’re in. if you’re not, as long as you can function in the work camps, you can continue to live, happily.

    • CardinalMo

      UUUUV, I certainly hope you are being very sarcastic. I’m going to assume you are!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why should we welcome “this developement” as you say we should? You would stake your life that you would be safe with NWO.
      Who are these “bible thumpers” that you denigrate? Why should they support you?

      • uvuvuv

        i am being clever in saying we should welcome the new world order, but many people who are looking forward to the developments as described will find themselves on the wrong side of the barbed wire. and they will all say, what have i done? but too late.

  • uvuvuv

    everyone should watch the movie metropolis, then you will see what it will be like.

  • 45caliber

    Maybe we should point out to the politicians here in the US that a one world goverment means that they would have far more competition for the highest position. More than they would have trying for President of the US. It might make them decide that it is better to be a big frog in a little pond rather than a small frog in a big one.

  • CardinalMo

    FreedomFighter: “Look it up, that’s what they say” Who exactly is they?

    • FreedomFighter

      Seek and you will find who, hint…they own the big mega banks, have 13 bloodlines and whorship satan.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Still think Obamination isn’t the Manchurian Candidate? Where are are Congressmen and Women? I’ll tell you where right in Obaminations hip pocket going along with everything.Obaminations 55 Czars, Holder,E.P.A., half of the Supreme Court, Farakan the sunni muslim bastar_, Naacp, you name it its all comming together with Illegal Bills being passed and the multitude of Executive Orders giving King Obamination and his court Jesters in Congress full power over the People. You people out there are being set up for the Martial Law that is going to be declared and the rationing of food gas and electricity that Obamination has given himself E.O. powers over us. You people better be buying guns ammo and food supplies because its just around the Corner.

  • Brad

    We the people of the United States are the ones that should vote on “A one world Government” Not the so called Leaders of this country!! That is not what I would want, Remember our Civil War and The Revolutionary War, We wanted to be FREE not owned by England, REMEMBER!!! The Congress and Senate thinks they know best , I’m not to sure about that. If they really are wanting to work for the American people that elected them they could do something about the influence that wall street has on the fuel prices and stop padding there pockets and help out the average American person. All the people that died for this great country of ours, fighting to keep us Free, and now they are wanting to make a One World Government. WANT ARE YOU THINKING !!!!

  • john j

    There’s nothing new here .The bible scholars like Hebert W Armstrong, Hal Lindsey Jack Van Impy and many more have been telling the world this for years, and you can see their prophecies coming true. The real problem is that the leaders of the countries are intellectual idiots We’re liken to people living in a house and some of the rooms are on fire and we refuse to deal with the fire and were just shutting the door so we don’t have to deal with reality .Well sooner or later we either deal with the fire or it consumes us .Unfortunately I don’t think it can be stopped any more because to stop this you have to put God back into the picture and we don’t have enough godly leaders to stop whets coming upon the world .Even if God had nothing to do with this. A one world government would never work. You are not going to get the Arabs to lay down with the west. You are not going to get China or Russia to give up their seventy to a one world system.Look what Hitler did with one nation .Imagine what a man like him could do with twenty seven nations .He could conger the world That’s why the bible talks about one third of the trees of the earth being burned up One third of the grasses . One third of the oceans turning to blood . Nuclear War The only hope we have now is to appeal to God Almighty and his son Jesus Christ And I’m not religious and I can see the hand writing on the wall Any thing short of this is doomed to failure We are going to force God to come back because if he doesn’t there will be no one left when he doe’s come back half of all the people on the planet will be dead

    • charlie

      so are you a “Real” Christian???

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  • Independent

    Our polititions don’t follow our Constitution. How can we believe thata world body will follow a set of rules? Look at the operation of the UN. As an American, I don’t trust any Government body outside the United States. I will obey the US Constitution ONLY. People like Hitler believed in one world Government (his). Sorry, no deal!

    • 45caliber

      To the politicians, a set of rules is simply a hobble to slow them down. That’s why they don’t like the Constitution. I think it is one of the main reasons our US polilticians are in favor of a One-World government – it frees them from worrying about the constraints of the Constitution.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Independent, of course a one world government will follow the rules. They have to. The problem: they will make them up as they go the same way they did at Ruby Ridge.

      • charlie

        who let Ruby ridge happen??? the local Sheriff AND the people…

        • Patty

          There is a very disturbing commercial in Mpls. (liberal-huh?) about turning in people for a variety of things. It reminds me of WWII when people would turn in their neighbors. I tried to find it, but alas, no luck.

  • Steve J.

    Well, considering the EU will collapse and there will be a flight to the olny diversified economy on the planet, the last country affected by the resulting chaos will be the US. Did any of these so called NWO people think of that. SO the entire world will be looking to the only country left with a semblance of stability.

    So, there may be a NWO, started, conceived and based upon the American Constitution.

    I don’t think that would be too bad. Freedom from oppression, persecution, limited Government throughout the world. Wow, sounds like Star Trek. But that is what you get when you study economics from the street, not in some indoctrination center with Ivory walls.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The NWO will not have a constitution based on the US Constitution. Our Constitution is a hinderance to power lusters, why else would the power lusters try to find so many loopholes.

  • rocco

    The big boys Rothchilds, Rockfellers have been striving for this for decades and the average person is afraid to face the reality that this has been discussed behind closed doors for decades and is now thanks to the perfect timing of OBAMAS coming is now is now in place with Agenda 21 just around the corner. The US Constitution is being destroyed and no one will be able to stop it?

  • JeffH

    EU PLOT TO SCRAP BRITAIN: SENIOR Eurocrats are secretly plotting to create a super-powerful EU president to realise their dream of abolishing ­Britain, we can reveal.

    A covert group of EU foreign ministers has drawn up plans for merging the jobs currently done by Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, and Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.

    The new bureaucrat, who would not be directly elected by voters, is set to get sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union.
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318045/EU-plot-to-scrap-Britain/

  • JeffH

    Treason Abounds ~ Gov’t Cabal Plots North American Union (NAU)
    By Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D.
    September 4, 2006 – Updated January 1, 2008

    This research will reveal the betrayal of the American people by a government cabal who are bent on destroying our sovereignty in order to create a North American Union. The miscreants include many who function at the highest levels in our government. Many hold membership in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission and pursue a subversive agenda. The cabal is deliberately circumventing the U.S. Congress and ‘We the People’ in blatant violation of our Constitution. Collectively they are committing TREASON. If you continue to believe that the illegal alien invasion is the biggest threat to America, you will never understand that there is something far more dangerous to our country called the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” (SPP). As bad as the illegal alien situation is . . . you will learn that this nation is in dire peril far exceeding the illegal alien problem.
    http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html
    The Goal of the Globalists Is To Gain World Monopoly

    According to “Antony Sutton, a research fellow for the Hoover Institution for War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University . . . ‘While monopoly control of industries was one the objectives of J.P. Morgan and J.D. Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to ‘go political’ and make society go to work for the monopolists– under the name of the public good and the public interest’.”

    • JeffH

      The North American Union is but a stepping stone. Once our American sovereignty, Constitutional Republic and laws are superceded by a EU police state communist government, it will be the last major hurdle for the globalists.

      What the Elite Globlists Seek . . .

      Their basic fundamental desire is to increasingly transform our system of governance so that “we are moving from the system of representative government set forth in the U.S. Constitution to a system of collaborative policymaking by professional bureaucrats and business leaders. This outcome is precisely what the President’s Council on Sustainable Development called for in its 1993 We Believe Statements . . .”
      http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html

    • JeffH
    • JeffH

      It would be a coup de grace for ‘We the People’ if the One World Monopolists were stopped in their tracks using the very instrument they seek to shred, crush and destroy . . . our Constitution.

      • charlie

        The constitution is gone ,,,now they are working on The Bible,,,where yo’all been???

      • JeffH

        Life would be easier if you could mark people as spam…Some people can’t tell when they’re annoying. Which is even more annoying.

    • JeffH

      How often have you heard people refer to America as a Democracy? When was the last time that you heard America referred to as a Republic? There is a very good reason that our Pledge of Allegiance refers to our country as a Republic and there is a very good reason that our Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mentioned the word “democracy”.

      Many people are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue. The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared a democracy as much as a monarchy. They understood that the only entity that can take away the people’s freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of life.

      They knew very well the meaning of the word “democracy”, and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy.

      In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People. Many politicians have lost sight of that fact.

      Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution states: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion .
      http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html

  • ranger hall

    Germany, two world wars, Mostly in Europe, All based on past history.
    What is the richest country in the world???
    Israel, 70 plus years of problems with the Arab Countries, US involvement. With no end of this problem in sight.
    Is there any Country or its Leaders in the World that American Taxpayers money do not go to.
    OBAMA and any President that is elected IS or will be in the hands of the Powers to Be or they will not exist.
    Tha American People will just keep on thinking things will get better for them, And they just keep on thinking this, Just keep on thinking. Even when things keep on getting worst.
    80 plus % of the People in the Military and Police Units around the Country Are conforming Sheep for the Govt. And will follow any order given them.Remember they have some of the best Pay and benefits Going.
    The Rich get Richer, The poor get Poorer. Basic Fact.
    The Rich have always controlled the Countries, MONEY Buys POWER always has,always will.
    People with Money Just seem to Need the POWER, This would be ok, if they would use it for good,
    He who controls the Food, The Water, The Land, The resourses, Control the People.
    The People in the World are the Most Powerful, Yet why do they control Us.
    The People have the Power to change anything, They just need the Will.
    All i can see is millions following the sound of the Bell.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      There are three types of workers.

      One, laborers. They are satisfied, or should be, with their jobs and the renumeration it provides. If not better yourself so your worth more.

      Two, the professional and entrepeneur. The path they chose has a lot more risks so it’s worth more should he succeed.

      Three, the service people. Doctors, Teachers, Lawyers, social service workers etc. They keep the other two going to do what they do so they all survive.

      Anyone would be out of a job without the other two. I realize this is idealistic, but it’s reality. We’ve proved over 6,000 years of human history is we cannot govern ourselves without God’s input.

      • charlie

        Acts 2;38

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        What God? Vengance, Creation, Sacrafice, / Bible readers are far from understanding God! No one can describe God! All percieved gods are False gods! Christians are Dolts!

        • Tom W.

          A dolt?! I had to look that one up! I’d never heard dolt before, it must’ve been popular back in your day, whenever the hell that was Bert!! You know it’s people like you who Paul wrote the 1st chap. of the book of Romans to Bert, professin’ yourself to be wise, you’ve become as a fool!!!

          “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” – I Cor. 1:18 (KJV)

          • CardinalMo

            Here you go again Tom…you just don’t have a real life do you? Believe it or not its not slang and is actually part of the English language. Look it up in a dictionary. You might be offended.

          • CardinalMo

            Sorry Tom…I guess you did look the word dolt up. It just sounded like you didn’t as usual you got off track.

          • Tom W.

            I LOVE to chase rabbits!!!

        • CardinalMo

          To Bert Cundle: It is really exhausting all of the hate comming out from everyone. If you want to critize Christians at least base it on you own beliefe system instead of stooping down to calling people names, and belittling them through shallow personal attacks. No one is perfect.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Bert Cundle Sr. you are absolutely correct when you say that people are far from understanding god. His ways are far above ours but something we can understand are the mores he promotes for a being who is yet to immature to understand his ways. His mores bring about life, liberty, happiness and prosperity.

          • Tom W.

            Very wellsaid both of yas!!! What people fail to realise is that you MUST first believe before you can proceed any further, hence Jesus said that if you don’t possess the faith of a child, you’re LOST!!! Does that confuse ya CM?!!

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Other false concepts of God: Maker / Inforcer of Law & Order… Love… Or, Government!

        • CardinalMo

          I agree, but when he underpays his employees, when they work in a dangerous environment, his work damages the environment, lies about his product, deliberatly sells dangerous products, pays of government reps., bribes, is subsidized by tax payers, he has exceed the boundaries of free enterprise and open markets. Society has paid for his success. No man grows wealthy alone. There are people who work for him who help to make that person wealthy. Yes, the people have jobs but it’s a recripical situation.

          • Patty

            ….but when he underpays his employees, when they work in a dangerous environment, his work damages the environment, lies about his product, deliberatly sells dangerous products, pays of government reps., bribes, is subsidized by tax payers….you are talking about China, right? :) If the gov’t. didn’t take bribes from these nasty business people in the form of lobbyist dollars to their campaigns, maybe they wouldn’t find it so easy and profitable to gut our enviroment.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      ranger hall, you’re right about each one of us as individuals in this world having some power. The problem is in concentrating that power to do work. That takes a spirit of cooperation to accomplish and that seems to be what this world lacks. Some people are shepherds and most are sheep. People tend to follow the party line they grew up hearing all of the time so when they hear, “grow up, go to school and get an education then find a good job.” they think that’s all there is to life. The real translation of this is, “grow up and do what you’re told.”

      • Carol Fryer

        Did you ever watch the cartoon movie, Antz? Its very interesting and has an extremely good lesson for us today. The mean grasshopper who wants to just control the ants and steal their food, tells the other grasshoppers, “When the ants realize their power when they gather together, we will loose our source of food” Look up Antz on Youtube.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

          Do you know who own’s Dreamworks Carol?!! I’d be careful who I let my kids or myself draw their life lessons from!!!

          • Patty

            Did they make the grasshopper out to be a victim? :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I wouldn’t know Patty I haven’t watched any Disney garbage in years, there’s a lot of speculation as what the problem with our young people today is, and this is really going to endear me to many here, but here’s what I believe is the real root of the problem. And give most of you, who haven’t already, the chance to write me off as another one of those Jesus nuts. Polls show that we claim to be a Christian nation, somewhere around 75%, I believe is the number. I believe that neo-pagan would be a more apt description. But if we’re a 75% Christian nation, you sure couldn’t tell it by our choices of entertainment! In the wake of the tragedy in Tuson, we’ve got one side of the asile pointing their self-righteous finger at the other side and saying that this senseless act of new-age violence might have been caused by their over-the-top, in yo face rhetoric. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Excuse me but it’s not just politics, it’s everything and it‘s everywhere! When can you ever remember the future King of England and his wifes’ motorcade being attacked by their own countrymen, shouting, “Off with their bloody heads!!!“ at the top of their lungs. Hell, even our cooking shows are violent anymore. Jesus said in Matt. 24:37, “ But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.“. How was it in Noahs’ day, Lord? “ The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.“ (Gen. 6:11) And everybody was going about their daily business like everything was just hunky-dory. (Matt. 24:38) And just where’s everybody at come Sunday mourn? It’s sometimes hard to understand the preacher because of the echo. Heb. 10:25 says, “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.” Christianity is not a philosophy. You either believe that Jesus is who Gods’ Word says he is or you don’t. It’s either black or white, there are no gray areas! The CINOs are are going to have awfully long faces when they hear Jesus say, “Away from me, for I never knew you.” (Matt. 7:21-23). I look at a lot of people around me and it’s hard to tell what day of the year is halloween anymore. It’s been reported that the wiccan religion is the fastest growing religion in the United States, especially among our young people. To much halloween I’d say is the problem, but we know that it’s all just fun and games, right? Boil, bubble, toil, and trouble. Young people and children are fasinated with the Harry Potter stories. And I was totally shocked when I heard on the O’Reilly Factor that the Harry Potter books were banned in our school system for promoting witchcraft. Well, PRAISE BE HALLELUJAH!!! Our school systems did that?! I didn’t think they had it in ‘em! It’s reported that J. K. Rowling is one of the wealthiest if not the wealthiest person in all of Great Britain! I believe she still has a ways to go to catch up with the Rothchilds though!!! Sit down and watch some of the cartoons and kids’ shows that they’re watching on TV anymore. Unless it’s Christian TV, and I’ve even got a problem with some of them. There’s not hardly a one of them that hasn’t got something to do with the occult, witchcraft, or the gay agenda. They’re using Scooby-doo to promote the wiccan religion to our kids folks!!! “And Tango makes Three”, The story of two gay penguins (Whoever heard of such?) raising a infant penguin is mandatory reading for a lot of our first graders. Getting them used to the idea of same-sex marrages and alternitive life-style families. It’s indoctrination folks!!! And let me tell you grandparents something that you don’t want to hear, there’s none more guilty of indoctrinating our children into witchcraft and the gay agenda than Walt Disney studios. They’ve been tuning our little girls into princes and our boys into princesses for eight decades or so. Jesus says that you can tell whether a tree is good or evil by the fruit it produces. (Matt. 7:17) So let’s take a look at some of the Disney fruit; Michael Jackson, so taken with Disneyworld, that he built his own Never-never Land. Brittney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Milie Cyruss, and I’m sure there’s probably a few others. Oversexed, narcistic, middle-aged infants who refuse to grow up. Well I guess I can’t say that about Michael anymore, now can I? And Disney does it in such a cute way. Have you watched the Disney channel lately? It’s not Ole’ Yeller anymore folks. Their mask is starting to come off. Is this what you call wholesome family entertainment? You hav’nt noticed? It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (Isaiah 14:12-15) And don’t listen to your parents, you know that you’re smarter than they are. I wonder if Al Gore was a mouseketeer? Young girls, their moms, and God-forbid even some of their grandmothers hypnotized by the macabre romanticism of Stephenie Meyers’ “Twilight” series, nothing more romanic than a cold, pale, blood sucking vampire I suppose. You’ve got authors like Richelle Mead, James Patterson, Laurie Faria Stolarz, Christopher Pike, and others, proudly self-proclaimed vampires, witches and warlocks. And their SERIOUS folks!!! There’s even a series of vampire novels by author P.C. Cast in which one of her books entitled “ The Fledgling Handbook 101” tells young impressionable teen and pre-teenage girls and boys that if they display certain signs and symptoms shortly after puberty that they are members of the vampyre race (Notice the new spelling to make it more avant garde!), and that if they don’t get themselves to one of these “Houses of Night” where they can be surrounded by and nurtured by other mature vampyres (Yeah right,huh mom?!!) that they’re going to die! Now if you go online and do some digging, they say that it’s just a fantasy series, but the book itself states these things as if they’re fact and nowhere does it say that it’s simply fiction. The book is also full of occult signs and rituals. So when your teenager comes in with a tattoo across their forehead, with a crescent moon in the center of it like a third eye, you’ll know whose book they’ve been reading. Professional wrestling, now there’s some wholesome entertainment for our young folks. No wonder they’re so well mannered with such a healthy respect for authority. And when they get a little older they’ve got ultimate fighting now, regular ole’ boxing just isn’t violent enough for us anymore! But we know it’s all the overworked, underpaid, mentally and physically exhausted parents’ fault, right?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Gee Tom W. you’re not just a Jesus nut you’re a religious fanatic. I am to although I haven’t been as outspoken here about it as you have though I do have my place where I am. Like you I don’t get invited out, not even by my children as their spouses despise me. There is actually nothing wrong with being a fanatic.

            The problem with many folk is that when we speak out it convicts them of their sin. We don’t even have to aim it at them we just have to make points and it naturally happens because they know they are guilty so they divert that guilt into hatred. Another thing is that in order to accept the truth they’d have to be willing to become outcasts and most people can’t stand the thought of being on the outside of society and family so they’d rather keep sinning and justifying their actions to stay connect.

            It’s like one man told me, “god told me to stop smoking and I told him no and I got cancer of the larynx because of it.”

            Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

            Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
            Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
            Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
            Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
            Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
            Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

          • Tom W.

            Thanx for the pep talk Bro I truly need a little encouragement sometimes. Sometimes you question your own sanity! As far as offending people, it’s kinda like the guy who won’t go to church because he complains that the preacher is always pickin’ on him! LOL!!! Try to tell parents and grandparents about these things and you’re attackin’ the kids!!! Your tryin’ to take away their fun, OMG, YOU ARE THE GRINTCH! They have no idea that they’re teachin’ their kids to worship Satan! Which I must say, I totally understand because if I would’ve heard somebody sayin’ the things that I’ve learned over the past 19 years before God, for whatever reason, opened my eyes, I would’ve laughed them to scorn!!! My family members are FINALLY beginning to realize ( AFTER 19 YRS.!!!) that I wasn’t just puttin on some kinda nutty show, and are even becoming somewhat receptive, PRAISE GOD!!! The NEW Tom still freaks ‘em out sometimes! LOL!!!

          • CardinalMo

            To Tom. Some look at the color red and see the gentle petals of a dewy rose.
            Some look at the color red and see a brilliant sunset
            Some look at the color red and see the devil
            Some look at the color red and see the blood of the dying
            Does intent of the using the color red mean nothing?
            Does the color have an innate meaning?
            .

          • Tom W.

            Take your New Age philosophy and shove it wherever may seem appropriate!!! LOL! CAUSE I’M SEEIN’ RED!!!

          • CardinalMo

            Sorry you didn’t get to Tom. I certainly do not see how you got a New Age crap out of that? It had nothing to do with New Age! Mind explaining how you made this conclusion? How are you intrepreting the writing? Explain what you believe I meant?

          • Tom W.

            I believe that you have no business teaching our children CM. I beieve you to be an overeducated ideoloque who will push their scientific theories along with their liberal PC political and social propaganda down the throats of our young impressionable youth as truth and fact when in reality what y’all are teachin’ our children are nothing but lies and fiction and that is probably the #1 thing in this country that is leading us down the road to DAMNATION!!! The poisoning of the minds of OUR children, teachin’ our little boys to be girls and visa versa! That’s what I BELIEVE!!!
            Now don’t you have some young minds to go poison mam?!!

          • CardinalMo

            I give up on you Tom I can’t get through to you….even on a benine level. You are living in such fear you refuse to hear, to see.

          • Tom W.

            No, it is you who refuse to hear ur see CM, and it isn;t me that you’re rejecting, I haven;t said ONE thing that reflects anything other than what the Bible states. So your problem isn’t with me, it’s with God and His Holy Word!!!

          • CardinalMo

            No, it is you lack of the ability think beyond quotations in the bible. It is your belittlement of others who have a different expression and different thoughts than yours. You are very close minded Tom, ( I don’t mean to attack you) Black is Back and White is White for you…you do not see any shades of gray. You have not directly answered one question I have asked. But, went around the questions. You do not interpret what you read…you just read and disagree without thought…so you connect it to a quote. It is good that you believe in God, the bible and have some quotes you appreciate, but the bible is meant to make you strong not to use is as a crutch… You do not see any positive in anyone who is not Christian.

            I’ve met plenty of very serious Christians who do not do this. And, even they have questions about some of the things in the bible. This doesn’t work to solve the problems of the physical world we live in. Believe it or not a good number of people and groups are at least trying to solve this big mess we’ve gotten ourselves into no matter what their faith. I will this…A lot o Christian behaviors are one of the reasons people do not go to church, or turn from Christianity. Did you ever see the movie Carrie? If not watch it. The movie may be extreme of course…but a lot of people see this movie as representative of how they see Christians. Sad,but true.

            We are on the brink some major collaspe. And the earth may well be too damaged to effect any positive changes. But, I hold out hope. I also don’t want to sit around and wait for God to bail us out. I think we should take some responsibility. I think God might just appreciate it to see that we at least try to correct our errors. And, that we recognize our errors.

          • Tom W.

            First of all CM, I pray that you don’t teach spelling and grammer!! I thought mine was bad!!! OMG! Karlolyn, are you catchin’ this, and she’s a SCHOOL TEACHER!!! Now as far as gray areas go, there’s alot of things where gray area’s in life are just fine, and sometimes even beautiful, but when it comes to Christianity, I’m sorry and hate to tell you this but it’s either black or white, there are NO gray areas. If you simply say you don’t believe, you’re denyin’ the Son of God! If you say that yes, you believe that Jesus lived, but that he was only a good man and wise teacher, you’re denyin’ the Son of God!! If you say that yes, Jesus lived but he was only a prophet, you’re denyin’ the Son of God!!! It’s either BLACK or WHITE! You either believe that Jesus is who God’s Holy Word says that He is or you don’t!!! (John 3:18) God’s Holy Word says that if you don’t, and don’t know Him as your personal Lord and Savior, then you’re LOST and BOUND for HELL WITHOUT EXCUSE!!! (Rom. 1:20) You have several things wrong if you pretend to speak on behalf of God’s Holy Word! You should stick to things you know like Monsanto and leave things you don’t know, like God’s Holy Word, spelling and grammer alone!!! God’s Word says that through my weakness, He is made strong! (II Cor. 12:9) Had that one totally bass ackwards didn’t ya?!! So I consider it an utmost privilege to use His Holy Word (Which by the way is blasphemous to spell and not capitalize like any other proper noun!) as a crutch! PRAISE BE HALLELUJAH!!! The Christian who won’t stand behind EVERYTHING I’ve just gone over here isn’t worth the salt in their bread! Maybe they’re not the friend you think that they are, and just don’t care if you go to the place that the Bible says is a place where the fire is NEVER quenched and the worm dieth NOT!!! (Mark 9:48) Carrie was one of the first books that I ever read outside of a class assignment, did ya ever read the book? It is sooo much better than the movie!!! Now please pray tell me how those spoilded little rich brat a$$ left-wing Massachusetts liberal teenage Yankees represented Christianity?!! I think you be listenin’ to the devil girlfriend!!! We ARE on the brink of a MELT-DOWN Blondie! God’s Holy Word says that we are fast approachin’ the worst seven years that this world has ever seen!!! (Jer, chap. 30) He’s NOT going to bail y’all out, HE’S GONNA POUR OUT HIS FULL FURY on this earth and it’s unrepentant inhabitants!!! So much so that Jesus said that if those days weren’t shortened that there should be NO flesh saved! (Matt. 24:22) I believe that God’is gettin’ a little tired of watchin’ us try to clean up the absolute mess that we’ve made of this once pristine home that He entrusted to us to share!!! Whatever you do CM, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK!!! (Rev. 13:16-18)

          • CardinalMo

            Come on this is the internet and I’ not used to lap top keyboards. I’ve always found them to be uncomfortable and strange. You always have to manage to be hateful don’t you?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I love ya Darlin’!

          • CardinalMo

            Sure you do.

          • Tom W.

            Oh ye of little faith! LOL!!!

          • CardinalMo

            Well Tom, I which I could send you a happy face on that last comment.

          • Tom W.

            CardinalMo, it is my prayer that you KNOW that Jesus LOVES you, MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW, if you don’t know Him as your personal Lord and Savior!!! He loves you MORE than your natural mother loves you! He LOVES you with a LOVE that is humanly INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!! He went to the Cross at Calvery to MAKE a WAY for YOU to join Him in PARADISE!!! (John !5:13-15) True Christianity is NOT a religion, it is a PERSONAL relationship with the Creator of the Universe!!! When you admit to God (It’s between you and Him and nobody else! In other words, as long as you’re sincere, it can be done in the privicy of your own heart, wherever you may find yourself at the time.) that YOU are a SINNER and realize that it is impossible for YOU (The miserable, vile, wretched, vermen that you are!!!) to stand in His Holy presense, but that you BELIEVE in Him and that you also believe that Jesus came to this earth as the PERFECT, SPOTLESS (It is IMPERITIVE that you UNDERSTAND this part!!!) Lamb of God, and that He went To Calvery to pay the penelty for yours, mine, and who-so-ever else’s, who may choose to BELIEVE’s sins! (That invitation is to ALL, no matter race, creed, gender, nationality, or social standing!!! (Gal. 3:28) There is NO MORE LEVEL ground on the face of this earth than that that is at the foot of the Cross!!!) And that He DIED and then ROSE again the third day and now sits at the right hand of the Father waitin’ for the Day when God shall say, “Son! Go gather our children!” GLORY HALLELUJAH!!! You may pray a prayer similar to this; “Dear God, I know that You love me. I admit that I’m a sinner. Please forgive me for my sins. I place my faith in Jesus as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.” If you pray that prayer and mean it with all your heart, know for a certainty that it is impossible for God to lie! (Rom. 10:13) This is what it means to be born-again! (John 3:3) Go find yourself a church, forget about a perfect one, they don’t exist. Just make sure they teach the Bible! Tell the pastor of your decission. Surround yourself with Christian friends, they won’t be perfect either, that’s why we need Jesus! Emmerce yourself in Gods’ Word so you’ll know how to fight off ole’ nick. (Eph. 6:13-18) YOU’RE IN THE ARMY NOW SOLDIER!!! And now it’s your job to bring as many lost sheep back into the fold as possible. (Matt. 5:14-16) What?! Did you think it was going to be easy?! LOL!!! (II Tim. 3:12) God be with you!!! I wish for everyone who reads this post to know that the writer is a certified JESUS NUT with plenty of documentation to prove it!

            There is not one point of Salvation presented here that is not BACKED-UP 100% by God’s Holy Word!!! So if you have a problem with ANY of it, don’t behead the prophet!!! (Shoot the messeger!) TAKE IT UP WITH GOD!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE1dz6_u2JI

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, Tom will speak for himself and I’m not doing it for him. The color red may not have an innate meaning but by all means it has a cultural one: Danger.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. There are only two ways to live, for YHWH and his ways or for Satan and his. Yes, people don’t understand what worship is so they don’t see any harm in what they do. But lets look at a broader picture here and it’s really not so much about religion.

            Most Christians will admit that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are only make believe things yet they tell these tales to their kids as if they are real. After all, it’s fun to watch their kids excitement as they open their gifts left by Santa. But, what they have unwittingly done is taught their children that it’s ok to lie as long as there is a good reason for it. Now I’m not going to talk here about what YHWH and the Yashua the Messiah feel about this subject of lying but I am going to talk about how men feel about it in general.

            It seems that while people don’t mind lying themselves they don’t want anyone to lie to them, not even criminals will tolerate somebody lying to them. It’s a big deal, people go to prison, lose face with their friends, family, customers, employees, employers and sometimes they even die for it. Trust is lost and it’s a difficult thing to get back. So now we have a Christian nation full of lairs. A liar is someone who tells a lie to deceive vs someone who is mislead and tells something that they don’t know is a lie. Do parents who do this Santa thing mean to deceive? Yes, they want their kids to believe in it while they are young.

            But, who do you trust if everybody is able to make up their own rules about just how much lying is acceptable? I look at the world around me and trust no one except YHWH and his Son and I certainly don’t trust these people who claim that they want to take care of me the rest of my life. We’ve probably all been guilty of lying at times in our lives but some of us don’t want to lie anymore and we call for strength from the Comforting Spirit of YHWH for help. But, too many will finish out their lives lying and it’s become one of our nations most favorite pastimes.

          • Tom W.

            Very nicely said Katrael! But I’ll talk about what God has to say about lyin’!!!

            “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” – John 8:44 (KJV)

            It says that if it’s the TRUTH, it comes from only ONE place! And if it’s a lie, there’s only ONE other place it COULD come from!!!

            “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” – John 8:32 (KJV)

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Now I’ll talk about what YHWH says about liars:

            Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

          • Tom W.

            And He is righteous!!! Amen!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. The movie, television and music industries, ie the entertainment industry, have been programing people since their creation. Like I pointed out to Carol Fryer about a movie I watched that was made in 1939 about the message our fighting men had been given in 1918 that they were fighting to, “make the world safe for democracy.” But there have been all kinds of messages such as “if it doesn’t work out you can always get a divorce and many more. The cartoons are especially creative programing tools that do what you pointed out before: teach kids about satanic powers that they should want to have. Sure, those messages are in the disguises of intelligent dogs, fairy princesses and the likes. But how about one of our favorite topics: the schools?

            The local school is the “Home of the Blue Devils.” What are we trying to make our children into devils or angels? This country is so steeped in paganism that the people can’t accept the truth for all of the lies.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Yeah, they don’t waste any time! They start on ya almost as soon as ya exit momma’s womb! Welcome to the real world kid!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Carol Fryer, to live to fight and die for the colony. The code word is sacrifice. I didn’t see the part about the grasshopper but I did look at the trailer to the movie. I wonder what was going through the minds of the people who made this movie? I’d be willing to bet that it’s filled with all kinds of messages like the one where the little ant says to the bigger one “why don’t we just try to influence their political process with campaign contributions?” I didn’t get a chance to watch this movie but I did watch a movie on TCM with my father who loves to watch tv.

          The Movie was titled “Roaring Twenties” made in 1939 and starred James Cagney and Humphrey Bogart. The movie opens with a written dialoged about how the movie is based on the memories of the writer even though the characters are fictitious. The dialogue states that in 1918 the one million fighting men sent to Europe had gone there to “Make the World Safe For Democracy.” What ever happened to the idea, “and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god with liberty and justice for all.”?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.
          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., what’s that say on Woody’s guitar, “this marine kills fascists.”?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I thought it said machine!

  • StinkFinger

    I,for one, DO dare call it Treason!

  • DavidL

    Interesting piece, Bob. I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am not interested in agreeing or disagreeing with you. I’ m interested in understanding your views.

    First, you quote Cass Sunsein thusly,

    “The councils are developing and implementing plans to eliminate or prevent the creation of unnecessary burdens on cross-border trade, streamline regulatory requirements, and promote greater certainty for the general public and for businesses in the regulation of food, pharmaceuticals, nanotechnology and other areas.”

    My question is what is wrong with this goal?

    Second, you quote Henry Kissinger as stating the following:

    “Henry Kissinger, speaking of the North American Free Trade Agreement, once said: “What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system… a first step toward a new world order.”

    Here is my question. Is there any ambiguity in your mind as to the phrase “new world order” or must it always mean 1984 big brother control type? Are you assuming that Kissinger would ever be in agreement with or advocate totalitarian world order?

    Finally, you write of the “the fallacy of the left/right paradigm.” With what are you replacing this axis? For me, I like the constructive/destructive axis. What about you?

    Thanks, Bob. I will appreciate your response.

    David

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear DavidL,

      You write: “My question is what is wrong with this goal?” This is double-speak to hide Sunstein’s true intentions. I suggest you read some of his articles and books for an understanding of what he truly means. I will give you this tidbit to start:
      “In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?… Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. … There is no liberty without dependency.” — Cass R. Sunstein, “Why We Should Celebrate Paying Taxes,” The Chicago Tribune, April 14, 1999

      You write: “Is there any ambiguity in your mind as to the phrase “new world order” or must it always mean 1984 big brother control type?” No ambiguity.

      You write: “Are you assuming that Kissinger would ever be in agreement with or advocate totalitarian world order?” Kissinger has long worked toward this end.

      You write: “With what are you replacing this axis?” The elites, corporatists and banksters vs. the rest of us.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • DavidL

        Thanks Bob for responding. Let me see if I have this right. Your intuition, from your reading and experience, is telling you that this is pernicious double-speak. And that when someone, anyone, uses the phrase new world order, they are up to no good. You don’t know for sure, but your gut is really, really, telling you this is what is happening. I certainly respect your right to this opinion.

        So you prefer to reject the left/right paradigm, which I do also, and substitute “The elites, corporatists and banksters vs. the rest of us. In other words, the 1% vs. the 99%. I assume from this and previous posts that you support and consider yourself among the 99%? Good for you.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      What’s wrong with it’s goals? If I came into your house and started to give you orders, good as they may be, would you like? The problem is government, which ups the overhead, cost, of everything we do instead of the people doing it themselves, positions itself between the people. Politician dictates cost. You do what you do. Do you think a politician or one of his people could do it better? Do you have no problem being told what to do with your life, liberty and property? Do you have no problem being shoved aside, discounting your ability to reason and being trained like a dog?

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Your Sumation is from a Microscope / Needs to be from a TELASCOPE!
    RONALD REGAN TOLD China to tear down their wall! And: Claimed Victory over Russias Communism! The STATES are loosing to: CHURCH! “CATHOLIC DOMINATION!” All the signs are there!

    • Karolyn

      No, Reagan told Russia to “tear down that wall.”

      • jopa

        And Flo told Reagan “Kiss my Grits”.There are actually some people out there that believe the wall came down because of what Reagan said.That is just too funny.

  • http://www.dauntlesspost.com douglasdauntless

    I had a feeling that Rubio was not what he is suppossed to be. there was a better candidate than Rubio running for the Senate and he got beat, because our elections are controled, by who, I don’t konw. Every one tells us what is wrong and how bad things are haappening but no one is telling us how to stop it.

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    Yeah! It took upward of 40,000 pagesplus to write a “free” trade agreement, NAFTA. The bottom line is the world’s sole super power wants to have ageements that will retain it’s power for itself. Where the lines are drawn is a matter of question, or the outcome of a war. You and I are the grunts are suppose to provide the money to do this with the sweat off our brows. “When I blowa da whis”

    If you don’t know it by now, our Constitution, what’s left of it, is nothing but an obstacle to the empire builders running the District of Criminals (DC). FDR said… “If you see things happening in politics, you can bet they didn’t just happen, they were planned that way”. All we’re doing is wittnessing things that were planned and started in the late 1900′s. We came along at points of time that red flags should’ve gone up. Well they’re UP NOW and what are we going to do about it? Give ourselves a choice between two would be international Tyrants, Obama and Romney? A King is a person that makes the good of his people the aim of his reign. A Tyrant is one that makes all give way to his own will and appetite. I follow the news like I would a Cobra under our bed. Every sense that I have says elect Ron Paul or realize we’re on the same course as the Titanic. Maybe you can find flaws but he’s light years ahead of the rest.

    • Carol Fryer

      I agree with you 1000%.

  • RichE

    You’re on to something Bob. With Mitt Romney having dual citizenship he can legally be the president of the U.S. and Mexico. What’s the leader/citizen requirements for Canada?

  • Tazio2013

    Internet Reformation Rolls On … Monday, May 07, 2012 – by TDB Staff Report

    The elites seek co-option. They want to control your mind. If they cannot control your mind and spirit, well … this begins to cause trouble. There are too many they need to control. And they are too few.

    It is impossible to control the modern world via power politics and economic chaos. True, perhaps a nuclear war of some sort would cull the population but there is no guarantee that the elites themselves – as currently constituted – would come out on top.

    But here is where we depart from that argument. While the elites DO fall back on chaos, war and authoritarianism when they have to, these are NOT their preferred tools. Their basic tool is the dominant social theme.

    However, because of the Internet Reformation they’ve all but surrendered this tool. ‘Net information has exposed their manipulations in profound ways. It is hard to move secretly toward world government with everyone watching and writing about it.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3865/EU-Bust-as-Internet-Reformation-Rolls-On-

  • raw

    I can’t wait for Mexico to start marchin’ into Canada.

  • Carol Fryer

    So who started NAFTA and whos went along with NAFTA. Thats right both sides. So whos the good guy. No more excuses.

  • raw

    Then a social security number won’t cut it – it will have to be a number that is accepted world-wide, not just applicable in one country.

    • Patty

      A tracking implant at birth. http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/ under the guise of if someone kidnaps your child.

      • CardinalMo

        Patty, Freedom is not security, Freedom comes with risks. Freedom is not free it comes with a price…sometimes even our lives. As soon as people realize this fact, they will demand that the TSA, the Patriot Act, NDAA (I forget which section, right now) be reversed and cancelled as law.

        • Patty

          And whom is going to derail that train? It is already here. I count on myself for security. We all have to play by societies rules. The fact is, is that just like Charlie Brown and Lucy, someone keeps moving the ball. Whether that ball is social security retirement, changing monetary systems. What will I do with all the green backs? Wallpaper? I personally do not have the power to make a difference, we must all unify to make a difference. I just hope that it is not too late and I fear that too many have drunk the kool-aid and are wanting this total change to socialism. Lazy bastards that they are.

  • Harry

    America has a dictator in the White House. He needs to be impeached – period.

    • charlie

      go for it!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    Karolyn says:

    May 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    I find some of what Flashy writes to be quite interesting. It’s also a plus when rather than refute his assertions with fact, conservatives make fun or put him down. Does that not mean they have nothing to say on the matter? I do not agree with everything he says, but his remarks do provide balance for the thinking person to ponder rather than just accept something posted by an established conserative poster here as gospel. Unlike so many, I know I do not have all the answers; and am always working at coming up with my own conclusions.

    Flash is here to confuse issues, place doubts, misslead the uninformed, he will mix fact and fiction and socialist dogma, twist points of view and many of us know this already and are not bothering to blast him with facts, we already have, it proved useless, we know he is most likely a paid Soros agent or other agent of chaos, so we choose to just humilate him and move on.

    Hope that cleared things up for you K

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • JeffH

      FF :)!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Metaphorically speaking, there’s a revolution going on in the U.S., propped up by three legs. Economic chaos, chaos through racial division, and chaos through class division, all joined by one core element: Barack Hussein Obama and his stable of unelected czars.

      Obama is using the lessons learned in 1968 as the template for 2012, and many of those who were active in the late 1960s are now calling the shots for 2012.

      “The Obama administration and many of the un-elected ‘czars,’ either directly or indirectly, are engaged in covert activities with the occupy movement, various labor protests, and other subversive activities inside the U.S.,” stated my source.

      Using untracked campaign funds, they are paying people to infiltrate the various movements to cause physical destruction of property and disrupt commerce. That began last year, but has increased ten-fold already this year,” stated this source.

      He added that they are using some lower level DHS agents to make the payments under the context of tracking subversives, but they are the unwitting subversives. “It’s like Fast & Furious” but in the social realm,” he added.

      “Obama is using some high profile people as pawns to foment the revolution. I heard several times through very credible sources that [Louis] Farrakhan is on the CIA payroll. Others have been named as well, but I’m not prepared to identify them yet. Farrakhan is to coordinate the Blacks and the Muslims to prepare for riots this summer, using any means necessary.”

      “Mentioned at the meeting Saturday were methods to use pawns to simulate the rioting in the Arab Spring countries, but to the benefit of this administration. A controlled chaos thing,” stated my source.

      They envision rioting starting in the urban areas first, such as New York and other major cities, followed by a disruption of business and commerce. This will allow the DHS to mobilize their various teams into the streets of America without objection of the people,” stated my source.

      “They want to restrict travel, if not through high energy prices, then by checkpoints and curfews mandated by rioting and unrest.

      They understand we are the most well-armed nation in the world, yet they are aware of our vulnerabilities and intend to fully exploit them,” he added.

      The whole purpose is to keep Obama in office for another term, no matter how unpopular he is, as he is not finished changing our country from a Constitutional Republic. This is the run-up to the 2012 elections, or perhaps causing enough chaos to delay them – indefinitely.”

      One statement that rattled me more than anything was that a great number of those already in power, whether in appointed or elected positions, actually want to see Obama stay in power, according to this source. “This is what we’ve been working toward and we’re closer now than we’ve ever been. If we lose now, we might not have another chance.”

      This chilling common goal also explains the lack of interest in the Constitutional legitimacy of Obama. It is common knowledge that Obama is not an American, and neither is his agenda. Of course, criticism of his bona-fides feeds into the cries of racism, despite the massive fraud perpetrated on the American people. Party lines are meaningless when the common objective is the revolutionary overtaking of America.

      “The Obama administration is working closely with Bernanke, Geithner and others not to save our economy, but to outright destroy it. He is not the first or only one to try this, but the most effective and most vetted for that purpose.

      Do you actually think that the fact that Timothy Geithner’s father worked with Obama’s mother in Indonesia was coincidental,” stated my source rhetorically. “What we’re seeing now is the fourth quarter of a game that started long ago, which also currently involves the Clintons. Obama would not be where he is if it were not for the Clintons, and to a lesser extent, Bush, but that’s for other reasons. Don’t be fooled, the Clintons never left or lost power,” he added.

      “There are file drawers full of papers, heavily guarded papers at the ‘TEC building’ so I can only imagine what’s in them, about international financial dealings going back decades. I do know, or at least I was told, that they involve organizations that are the so-called conspiracy fringe groups, such as the Bilderberg group, the Trilateral Commission, and people including George Soros, Henry Kissinger, and current leaders of big industry. Some are fossils. They’ve been around a long time.

      Others are up-and-coming. They’ve got one thing in common, though, and that is to put in place a global system of governance, including a common currency. Economics is a huge part of this revolution, and they want to replace the dollar, to see it collapse. They expect, that is, they are working toward this very goal, and when this happens, it will cause chaos like never seen before in the history of this country.”

      “Why do you think Jon Corzine is not only walking around, but heavily involved in Obama fundraising?

      They know it’s just a matter of time that Europe will implode economically, and when it does, start counting the days before we see massive hyperinflation and the ultimate collapse of the U.S. dollar,” stated this insider. “What will it look like in the streets of America when the general population realizes that there is no money? That’s right, chaos.”

      According to this insider, the Trayvon Martin case is just the tip of the iceberg. “You certainly don’t have to be a genius to understand how Obama and his team played the public on this issue, and it’s far from over. But that’s not the sole element of what we’ll see this summer.”

      “Remember the shots fired at the White House not too long ago?” asked my source.

      There was an element of outrage that was squandered, according to ‘team Obama.’ In fact, Obama and some of his closest advisors, especially [Valerie] Jarrett were incredibly angered that the outrage was seemingly tempered. It should have been an opportunity to use our force against the Tea Parties, the gun clingers, the Constitutionalists, and everyone who has complained about Obama. DHS should have stepped in right then, and used that event to start the clampdown,” this source stated about White House comments.

      This source stated that from that point on, the DHS must become more responsive and aggressive.

      Watch for a false flag event against Obama or his family, something that will outrage ‘black America.’ It will be carefully choreographed, but executed in a manner that will evoke the ugliest of reactions and create racial chaos in this country that will make the Watts riots, 1968 and the Rodney King riots pale in comparison. That’s the third leg in this.”

      Does Obama look worried about the upcoming elections?

      Look at his lavish vacations, his limited work schedule, and those with whom he is working. This is a very dangerous man who has, as his closest advisors, people who have orchestrated the revolutions of the 1960s. They know the “trigger points” in America.

      The Obama administration, including his czars and along with his closets Progressive supporters, are planning a manufactured insurgency against America. He is using the media to his advantage to garner both sympathy and support for his unfinished goals.

      He is desperately seeking a way to remain in office, even if it means the surreal prospect of an indefinite postponement of elections – if it can be pulled off. So far, he’s got the support of the majority of the DHS “brass” behind him, according to my source.

      “They’re power hungry, and they want to remain in charge,” stated this source.

      The “surreal” aspect of suspended elections won’t look so surreal when you see any or all of the “trigger points” take place in the not-so-distant future.

      “The end-game plan for America is its destruction as a Constitutional Republic, with the assistance of the agencies under the umbrella of the DHS.”

      My sourced stated one more thing that seemed to tie things together. He urged me to recall the quote by Henry Kissinger who was speaking at a Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, on 21 May 1992:

      Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.

      That threat need not be from beyond. All it might take is a world of starving, broke and
      desperate people.

      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        You know Jay, I don’t know how old you are or how many here can remember the riots in the cities during the end of the turbulent 60′s. You said, ““They want to restrict travel, if not through high energy prices, then by checkpoints and curfews mandated by rioting and unrest.” I remember having to have a pass to get through the check points to cross the city to get to work in the evening after curfew. This wasn’t restricted to just one city but to most major cities in this country. This went on for quite some time. My point: this wasn’t due to an outside threat but a real threat from the inside. People were burning down their own neighborhoods. It was a scary time.

        Food and energy shortages would be all that it would take to set off the spark that would bring this on again. The fuse is set in the minds of people who are all too willing to blame anybody but themselves for their problems.

        • CardinalMo

          Freedom does not come without turbulance. You see, for those who believe in good vs evil…there is always a struggle to keep a balance. We have to have people speaking out. Speaking out to defent their rights, freedoms, for themselves and for others. If you do not understand what the 60′-70′s was about you need to do some balanced research.
          During the 60′ African-Americans were fighting to be able to eat at restautants, play in sports, get a job, have the right to purchase a house in a place other than the ghettos, the right to vote with out having to pay a pole tax, the right to sit any where they wanted to on a bus, the right to obtain a loan….the list and extent of the Jim Crow laws prohibited African-Americans from being free. Every aspect of their lives was negatively affected by their lack of freedomm Well the baby boomers work…and commies,,,and socialists,,,worked very hard…some were murdered so that Aferican-Americans could have freedom.

          The feminist movement…women could not take out loans, run a business, obtain an equal education, could not divorce abusive husbands, rape laws were lax and in favor of the rapist. women could not have even dreamed of having a job other than low pay work. No way would a woman have the freedom to run for any political office. If she did no one would have voted for a woman.

          Many other good things have come out of the feminist movement. birthcontrol, safehomes for women and children who must flee their homes because of violence. Laws which cannot hold a womans consentual sex life against her in cases of rape. Now when a woman is raped can go to a hospital and be examined to verify that she was raped. None of these things went on before the feminists made it happen. Women have have a much better life now. MUCH better. Back then women were either virgins or whores there was no inbetween and society could make life pure hell for women.

          During the 60′s the boomers were noticing that the environment was changing. There was DDT, Stronum 90 in the milk, cheese, other milk products, we saw our forests being cut for quick built homes which lacked character and looked like cracker boxes. We read the Silent Spring and looked around and knew every word was true…then began to work on environmental problems. Then the EPA was created, when that happened the air became much cleaner, the waters were becoming cleaner, DDT was banned…but, allowed to go south of the border.

          In the 50′s those 60′s-70′s Children grew up having to hear and be terrorized by loud horns alerting us that a bomb was on the way and children had to duck under their desks. So, they fought to do away with nukes, parents and grandparents even joined in on that issue. and finally there were some agreements made by the USA and The Soviet Union. In the 80′s children delivered a crystal ball to Primer Krustiv…he cried. Later in the 80′s The Berlin Wall came down and East and West Germans celebrated…the world celebrated…because this meant that families who had been seperated for a generation or more were able to reunite and know the taste of freedom together.

          The 60′s people were not subversive. There were extrimests on all fronts…but that is to be expected as we move from one mass thinking in one way and shift the thinking to another.

          For all the young people reading this THIS IS YOUR 60′S! Use it or lose it.

          People can sit here and believe everything they hear whether liberal or conservative. They can blog and get it off their chest. They can bring God it to the argument,,,,but I believe we are being tested. Will we sacrifice freedom, and our free will or are we going to something besides argue and accuse others pointing our fingers left and right, left and right. Americans need to develop unity in order to beat back the monsters that will darken darken our doors.

          Again I say Direct Democracy. Power to the People!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I wasn’t trying to say that nothing good came out of the sixties but do those things justify the violence of the times? Don’t let those good things blind you to where we are headed as a society. Where are we going?

            In my opinion we are headed toward a time of no personal choice, a time when our representatives will become our leaders who will make all of our major life decisions for us. What kind of a choice will I have if Obama gets his way and I have to buy into his healthcare system? Will that system allow me to utilize naturalpathic medicine for my healthcare? Is there an option contained in the monstrosity of legislation that will allow me to opt out if I want?

            Life goes through cycles and as you pointed out we came out of an era that still contained elements of slavery in it. Now we seem to have forgotten those lessons we learned and are demanding that those we used to choose to represent us should become those who control us. If we give that kind of power back to people who seek to have it then they will eventually use that power to enslave us again. The history books are full of stories of malignant dictatorships and oligarchies that forced slavery onto their own people.

            Democracy is not a good thing in my opinion because the whims of the people change from one moment to the next. In a Democracy there can not be a stable body of law to guarantee anybody that the protection of the laws we have today will be there for us tomorrow. What is written into law today can just as easily be written out tomorrow. A powerful majority may decide to persecute a less powerful minority and write it into law. That’s exactly what happened in Germany in the 1930′s and 40′s or haven’t you heard of this before?

            Just how would you propose that Americans achieve that unity? By force? And what is it that you see we have to stand united for? What is it that you need that you don’t have today? Do you need food, clothing or shelter that you need to foment a call to the return of the violence of the sixties? How would you like it if someone came and burned down your home, possibly with your family still in it? This kind of thinking sounds dangerous to me. Is it that you are oppressed by the rich? Since we have all of those wonderful things that came out of the sixties why is it that you are calling for a return to them?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, a person loses his freedom and liberty when the government takes control. It’s really that simple. And yes, there will always be a struggle for balance and most likely there will be violence in an attempt to return the system to balance. I’m not an advocate of violence until someone comes to harm my neighbor or my family. I’m in favor of using peaceful legal means to obtain that balance.

            I’m reminded that there are two tragedies in life: not getting what you want and getting what you want. If your call is for violence then beware as you may get what you want.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael. Did I say that I was for violence? No, But it seems change does come to violence as the powers that be try to retain the status Quo. Don’t be rediculous or read some of my other posts. Being willing to stand up to the government what has maintained our freedoms. What do you think wars are? They are pretty violent as far as I can tell. Don’t you think there was violence when women were trying to get the vote. Those women suffered beatings, and rapes while they were jailed. The government and the infiltrators are generally the ones who begin the violence…not the people demonstrating. …generally speaking of course.

            Go back and read your history books.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, that’s why I ask questions and don’t always make statements. And yes, all too often social systems resort to violence to keep people in line. Most people can be intimidated into towing the party line. Those men and women who stood up for their beliefs while facing the abuses they received did it for others as well as themselves and those people need to be admired for what they did. On the other hand those who start to voice their grievances with bloodshed and violence do so inappropriately.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael< one more thing. The government does not take control we just lay down and let them take control, because we don't speak up enough. That is why we have free speech. When we use petitions, write letter, make phone calls, send e-mails and demonstrate, government has been known to back off. The current government is entrenched they are the pons in the game that the elites are in. We have to win the pons you see. Because they are torn inbetween the 1% and the 99% . Pressure from either side causes a change. No matter how crazy things got in the 60's at least society did advance some because of it.

            The huge mistake the kids in the 60's made was to completely miss understand what was originally meant by "free love."…and smoking Pot…which was illegal. And those two things have really hurt society and values of decency.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, you said,”Katrael< one more thing. The government does not take control we just lay down and let them take control, because we don't speak up enough. That is why we have free speech. When we use petitions, write letter, make phone calls, send e-mails and demonstrate, government has been known to back off. " On these points we agree and I basically agree with the rest of your comment. There is one thing though: I believe that there were subversive elements that promoted much of what happened during those times for the purpose of using the momentum to inculcate changes in societal morals for their ultimate goal of eliminating our national sovereignty.

          • Tom W.

            Oh SIC her Katrael! Work on those ribs son!!! She’s gettin’ woobly, I can tell!!!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Jay you make another excellent point: “The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.” This reminds me of another story in a history book that most would like to forget. I hope you don’t mind but I can’t help myself. This idea of selling out to a system is an old one but one that will get repeated over and over and it will happen now.

        Gen 47:18 When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands:
        Gen 47:19 Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate.

      • CardinalMo

        Jay, I tried to read your entire article, however had so man questions as I read the first I just couldn’t continue. You need to become more specific. Such as when you quote someone or referr to what your source stated…give the name of your source. Have you read any articles about what the goals of the Occupy Movement is? Don’t trust what you hear on the News Media…eg., TV, Radio. As you know by now they twist infromation and take events out of context.

        When you speak of labour protests as being subversive, which labour protests are you referring to? And specifically what do you mean by …”and other subversive activities”. be specific

        Your ideas and thoughts we be more readable and the reader will be able to understand more if use us the rules of who, what where, when, why, how, which one, what kind, how many. Use Jack Smith (nouns) instead and he said….who said. my source said …who was the source? Unless the ideas are all your own…your thoughts…give the sources especially when you say they said, he said….give the honour of recognizing their names.

      • 45caliber

        You spoke of restricting travel and having checkpoints.

        It reminded me of a girl I spoke to not long ago. She was from Scotland and was married to an American. She said something that caught my attention.

        “We drove from Houston to Miami,” she said. “And we didn’t have to stop anywhere for a checkpoint or get permission to go there! That was wonderful!”

        That startled me as I had never suspected that England would have such rules. Sometimes we take our freedoms here a little too much for granted.

        • CardinalMo

          45caliber…good point.

  • blackwingA520

    Funny how most people don’t care or don’t realize what is coming, they love their credit cards and Checks (because it is CONVENIENT!) a lot of people don’t use cash anymore but when the day comes and the the NWO crowd gets their way and we go to a cashless society, won’t that be fun! when the Government knows EVERY little purchase you make. Want to go to a gun show and buy some ammo discretely? sorry, they will know what you bought and how much, even the time and day you bought it and who sold it to you. Then they will want to know WHY you bought that type of ammo. No more getting paid under the table with that pesky Cash. Or when you buy extra food to STOCK up or God forbid HOARD, they will know what you bought and how much. Yes, it will be glorious, Just ask any survivors of Nazi Germany or Stalin and Mao’s Communist Regimes. they will tell you.

    • Patty

      My guess is, is that if you have not stocked up by now, they already know. How many of you, including me, use the card that gives you a gas discount everytime you purchase groceries? They are going to think I am a sugar freak. Unknown how many boxes of brownies and cake mixes I have. Good for trade. As will be alcohol, tobacco, ammo, guns.

  • EyesWideOPEN

    Well, looks like we’re in for it for sure.. Everyone thinks Ron Paul is an antiquated anti-Semite with visions of godhood, The established patriots believe Obama is the start of something disastrous and it’s coming out that Romney believes that everyone is essentially guilty until proven innocent and will want to overreach homeland security initiatives if elected. So, what does that leave us? Total control from the elites no matter who gets in. There’s another (independent) challenger, but it seems he’s come in late in the game.. Not so that he can’t overwhelm the big shots but ONLY if we unite and ONLY if we insist that popular vote over rides electoral college THEN create watchers to watch the watchers who watch the actual voting counts. Political corruption is the flavor of the year this election and with the hype concerning 12/21/2012 it’s the perfect time for the puppet masters to unhook the strings and come into reality with the closet desires they’ve been salivating over since Ronnie Raygun’s reign. How are we going to fight this ‘new’ challenge? No way if we remain separated and if we join together, the actions of our founding fathers can be the only way. So, get ready for a rocky existence for at least the next four years.

    • Patty

      Why are the Paul’s and the Romney’s such good friends? Makes me wonder.

      • JeffH

        Patty, I’m not aware that the Pauls and Romney are good freinds.

        Ron Paul: Mitt Romney Only ‘Marginally’ Better Than President Obama – May 3rd, 2012

        On Thursday’s edition of Laura Ingraham‘s radio show, Congressman Ron Paul explained his skepticism that presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney would be any better than President Obama.

        He explained that it isn’t that Romney doesn’t necessarily have better ideas, it’s that historically changing parties never seems to truly change anything about how government grows.

        “I think Romney would probably be better on the tax issue,” Paul surmises, but then explains how even though George H.W. Bush was supposed to be “good” on taxes — after all, he said “Read my lips: No new taxes!” — history unfolded otherwise. Paul did concede, however, that Romney’s Supreme Court picks would be more conservative, and thus potentially better than second-term Obama’s picks.
        http://www.mediaite.com/online/ron-paul-mitt-romney-only-marginally-better-than-president-obama/

      • JeffH

        Patty, I can’t argue that…but, I think I can say that if there is an alliance between the two, it’s R. Paul’s influence for the better and not for the worse. Ron Paul can and has been having a profound effect on the R nomination process. He won’t go away and he continues to challenge the R establishment, Re:Santorum exit. No doubt Romney is the choice of the R establishment and I believe R. Paul could beat both Obama and Romney at the voting booth, barring any voter fraud.

        I guess what I’m sayin is that I do trust Ron Paul and I trust his judgement to make the right decision RE: Romney. If this is the only way Ron Paul can ultimately “inject” himself into this fight and , then so be it…I’m not sure that he would, but time will tell.

        Here’s another intersting read on the matter.
        http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50206

        I guess we’ll have to wait and see… :)

  • Craig Timmerman

    go onto the internet and type in ‘ project blue beam’ by sergi monstat

  • Downs1

    It is quite amazing! If one looks at the world political situation today, there is no doubt that there is a subtle, or not so subtle, move toward a one world political system. Regardless of the fact that socialism has “failed” economically everywhere it has been tried, that movement continues to “unify” blocs of nations into regional units. The Mexico, USA, Canada union is a great example. It certainly explains some of the moves the Obama administration has pushed. This reminds many of us of what the Bible describes in the Tribulation period as a single world government under the control of a world leader, the Antichrist. The concerted attack against “religion” especially Christianity in Asia, Europe and here is explained in part on the idea that belief in a Sovereign Creator God interferes with creating such a godless system. The recent speeches of Barack Obama also sound like they espouse such a geopolitical entity rather than sovereign independent states. In order to briing in such a system, the US Constitution must be removed! It is also clear that there is a silent or “shadow” government that is behind the movement toward that one world government. Evangelical Christians see that group as Satanic. Why? It is described as such in the Bible! This raises all kinds of questions about the political candidates on the stage today. Are they all part of the plan? The big question is what is the outcome? That is a no-brainer! God wins! Satan loses!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Who are you Mr President? Nigel Farage asks Van Rompuy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dranqFntNgo

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Satan Comes to Church

    The holy water fonts at the front of Catholic churches remain empty, standing out like empty tooth sockets.

    The water from the fonts was removed months ago during the peak of the H1N1 pandemic scare, as hyped and promoted by the World Health Organization, an arm of the United Nations.

    Now that the UN got its ugly bunioned foot in the door of local churches, it didn’t take long until it giddily paraded up the aisles, bearing out the old adage of the proverbial inch ready to gain its inevitable mile.

    Up to now it’s been the empty fonts and a ban on congregants shaking each other’s hands as a sign of peace after recitation of The Lord’ Prayer.

    This morning at the Mass I attended in my local church, the congregation was led during prayers for our intentions to pray for “Globalization”; that it will “give us all that we need”.

    It’s a shame the holy water wasn’t back in the fonts for Christmas Eve when it was well known that the UN pandemic scare was UN-manufactured hype. There is no way the self-centered politicians, identified by the mainline media as “world leaders”, would have shown up en masse at Copenhagen first week in December had there been any chance they would come down with swine flu.

    Globalization that “gives us all that we need” comes not from the Bible but from the UN.

    In fact, Globalization is the UN’s main ongoing message. That Globalization became part of prayer is proof positive it will be forced down the throats of people who have been able to avoid it outside of worship.

    Even though it is an edict of the Bishops and perhaps even the Vatican, to my way of thinking, spreading the UN’s message of Globalization at Mass is the equivalent of spreading the good word about Satan.

    Self-promoted as a warm fuzzy blanket; peace makers sanctioned from on high and saviour Numero Uno of the World, the United Nations is a political agenda in action, and (by and large) evil incarnate.

    The main players in a Christian church are Jesus Christ, and the angels and saints who adored and adore Him down through the ages. The players in the UN are Barack Obama, Maurice Strong, George Soros and sundry members of the One World Coven.

    Masquerading as the holy of holies, the United Nations is the Cathedral of New Age.

    Until his death in 2007, the UN had its own in-house prophet, Sri Chinmoy, as its official Spiritual Advisor. Claiming to have been Thomas Jefferson in a previous life, for 28 years, he offered prayer and meditation meetings for anyone to attend every Tuesday and Friday.

    Chimnoy’;s disciples claimed he was one of a handful of spiritually enlightened beings on the planet, some of them going so far as to claim he was an avatar, a living God. They meditated to a print of his face.

    The UN’s assigned place for worship is “The UN Meditation Room”. According to a UN description, “The UN Meditation Room is built in the shape of a truncated pyramid. In the centre is an altar, made out of magnetite, the largest natural piece of magnetite ever mined.

    For mediation purposes it is probably the most ideal spot on the planet, since the magnetite altar has its foundation straight down, built into the bedrock of the land below; tapping into the energies of the earth itself. the mysterious mural also helps the worshippers tune into esoteric energies, and helps facilitate a state of altered consciousness.”

    “The custodian of this ominous shrine is the Lucis Trust, formerly known as the Lucifer Publishing Company.” (Gary J. Eddlleman, 2001 Constitution Party of Illinois).

    First pit stop for new UN Chief Ban Ki-Moon on his first day on the job in 2007: the Meditation Room.

    The godless are right at home at UN headquarters. One would hope they would never be able to call our churches home.

    On Jan. 24, 2001 pagans worldwide celebrated as the “Ark of Hope” was delivered to the United Nations. The Ark is made from a single plank of sycamore, with each panel representing one of the five traditional elements of pagan worship: Water, Fire, Air, Earth and Spirit.

    The Ark contains “The Earth Charter”, which calls for an interdependent world society where wealth is distributed, countries are de-militarized and everyone is to worship Mother Earth. Professor Steven Rockefeller, ecology zealot and chairman of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, coordinated the writing of the charter.

    Former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev and Canadian billionaire Maurice Strong, a senior advisor at the UN. launched the Earth Charter initiative. Strong compares the importance of the charter, to that of the Magna Carta and the Ten Commandments.

    This is the Sermon on the Mount Gorbachev gave to the Los Angeles Times on May 8, 1997:…”Do not do unto the environment of others what you do do not want done to your own environment…My hope is that this (earth) charter will be a kind of Ten Commandments, a `Sermon on the Mount’, that provides a guide for human behaviour toward the environment in the next century.”

    Up until now, the UN has slithered, snake-like around the edges of our environment,
    making land grabs, fomenting for One World Order.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18805

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Sometimes the best way to hide a crime is to commit it in plain sight. Most people don’t know what they’re looking at. The United Nations.

  • boyscout

    We are traveling to where in a what ? Well, we made that basket and allowed them to set it afloat. The plan to own and harvest all of nature(under any international agreement) will straighten itself out as more and larger ice caps free themselves from Greenland and the poles. I suggest non believers continue to reside in their urban coastal abodes and party often and hardy.
    Global governance is a necessary evil if we care to “politically” divide ownership of every resource and property on earth amongst the eligible corporate elite. So what if the proposed husbandry of sustainability is a little shaky – the rising tide will wash away all mistakes.

  • Lawrence

    Our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ is allowing the god of this world to bring in his false kingdom. The people of the world have been thoroughly indoctrinated to receive the one whom Jesus said will come in his own name. ” Him you will receive.”

    • Tom W.

      Excellent point Lawrence! These things aren’t happening because of anything that we’ve done or haven’t done, thet’re happening because they’re SUPPOSED to!!! The Book MUST be fulfilled! We are at a point in time very similar to when the children of Israel stood at the base of Mt. Sinai and Moses told them to choose which side they were on, there are ONLY two!!! JESUS IS COMIN’! READY OR NOT!!!

      • CardinalMo

        In the mean time what problems have you tried to solve? If humanity had waited for 2,000 years for Jesus to return, we be stuck in mind set of 2, 000 yrs ago and maybe returned to hunter gathers….On second though maybe that would have been an improvement.

        • Tom W.

          I do the best I can with the tools I got!!! I share with those around me who are less fortunate in any way I can. The church I belong to does a homeless outreach ministry of which I am a part! You see CardinalMo, when I had my “Road to Damascus” experience, I was outta work and my family and friends ALL thought I lost my mind because I now was preachin’ this Jesus, and didn’t want to have anything to do with me, and I found myself out on the streets of Louisville, KY! Two things I’d like to share about that experience, I was already saved and wondering why in the hell nobody wanted anything to do with me anymore simply because I now proclaimed Jesus as who God’s Holy Word said He was, I mean I’d done things before that SHOULD’VE drawn that kinda reactio! Well one of the things I noticed was that whatever I needed to survive on the streets were provided to me (Food, clothing, medical help, etc.) by some kinda Christian based organization. Then one night as I was standing in line at a church soup kitchen, I was cold, wet, tired, hungry, and the food smelt sooo good!!! As I looked around at all the folks there with me, verse 5 of Psalm 23, “Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.” hit me in a way that still sticks with to this day! You see, ya don’t see too many New Age soup kitchens now do ya CM?! I’ve been there and seen that the poor individuals who need help the worse, sometimes CAN’T get it because everyone’s hearts are so hardened because of the lazy a$$ slugs who think this world owes them something!!! I could go on preachin’ about that all day but Bob would cut me off! Jesus will not forgive us for leavin’ our most vulnerable uncared for!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) That’s what I do CardinalMo, how ’bout yourself?!!

          • CardinalMo

            To Tom, there are a lot of people who help the poor. Some just perfer to do it quietly. I’ve know I’ve provided many a meal without quoting scripture. And, I try to teach all of my students so that they hopefully won’t be homless.

            Most people I’ve ever met who were on “wellfare” want to work. It is in reality a very samll minority of people who take the welfare system for a ride…and it is pretty hard to do…and a humiliating and agrivating process. The largest percentage of people on “welfare” are white women with children.

          • Tom W.

            A little too quietly I’d say!!! You brought it up and now you’re going to try and make me feel guilty for saying that I help the poor?!! You got your nerve, and I personally wouldn’t want you to teach my dog!!! So you don’t give thanks to Provider of ALL things before you eat your food?!! That reminds me of the story of the old farmer who went into his dinner and ordered his food. While he waiting, a gang of loud rowdy bikers came in and started causing commotion. When the waitress brought the old guy his food, he quietly bowed his head and gave thanks. When he finished his prayer and rose up to eat, the loudest of the bikers hollared out, “Hey Old Man!!! Does everyone where you’re from do that?!!” The old farmer, never missin’ a beat replied, “Everyone but the pigs!” LOL!!!
            Now I’m sorry but if you want me to explain Jesus’ parables (Which I, by the way, read as pretty cut and dry!), I can only point you to another scripture.

            “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” – II Cor. 4:3&4 (KJV)

          • CardinalMo

            So you don’t help the Poor. I thought you said you did. Where did the praying over food come from? That’s it Tom…no more!

          • Tom W.

            Ancient Chinese proverb; “Give a man a fish, and you’ve fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you’ve fed him for life.”
            What part of that don’t you understand teacher?! If you don’t understand that, you shouldn’t be teachin’!!! I help people who NEED help, and I accasionally will buy a beer for the poor old drunk who can’t stop shakin’!!! But these young adults who are out there and simply WILL NOT WORK, I say need to go hungry a little bit! You know people like you are awfully generous with the rest of our’s money!!! Oh yeah, you’re one of THEM!

          • Patty

            Really, they want to work? Why don’t you try working Section 8 housing with my son for a week. See how long you can handle that. People calling and complaining because they have no hot water. Try the other knob you idiot. I have a pretty decent house, but it wouldn’t pass a section 8 inspection. Not sure why they need all of the screens on the windows before they move in because they just tear them off the 1st week they are in there. If you complain to Section 8 about it they will fine you for not being in compliance. They have never heard of Ajax or any other cleaning product. But they certainly have the big screen TV’s, cell phones, Xboxes, etc. Some places need to be gutted after they get evicted (rate of eviction 50%+), most need new screens, holes in walls patched, new doors, etc. Most animals live cleaner than they do. Sure, they want to work. So long as it is a job that pays more than 60k/year because that is what they get when you add up all of their “bennies” that the state provides. Good luck getting one of those on your GED if you even have one of those.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            SIC her Patty!!! You go girl! I was beginnin’ to wonder when I was goin’ get a little help with this union shill!!!
            Makes ya think that the screen manufactuers have somethin’ to do with it, huh Patty?! A friend of mine works as a corrections officer in charge of a work crew. One of the projects that they’ve been workin’ on is getting rid of a piece of state owned property that had been used as some kind of youth camp. He said that all the out buildings had JUST been remodled and they were told to go in and demo everything and, if that’s not bad enough in it’s self, to make sure that EVERYTHING got trashed! BRAND NEW STUFF!!! And then they wonder why the tax-payers are irrate!
            These people don’t want no job! Unless of course they don’t have to do no work, then they’ll be glad to come as long as there’s a TV so they don’t miss Jerry Springer or Judge Judy!!! And in my opinion, the whites are the worst of all!!! Can’t afford a box of Pampers but hey, check out this new tattoo! DUDE!!!

          • CardinalMo

            Patty what state do you live in? Are you aware that a very high percent of the persons you are renting to may well have some type of mental illness? I know just how horribly people can live. I also know what mental disabilities causes.
            I once had a neighbor who had a brain tumor. She survived for ten years after surgery but she declined gradually in her mental abilities…due to the surgery. She would just come of a bit quirky when one met her but in the end she had to live in an assisted living facility. I have also met individuals with border line or just belone normal IQ. I’m not at all certain that some people have no conscious choices. They can be destructive, filthy, and full of all kinds of out of the norm surprises for us. I know it is not easy to deal with. I commend you for your efforts.

          • Tom W.

            And then there are those who are that way simply because they want to be that way, and I’m gonna give ‘em their freedom of choice! I’ll bet that you’re single aren’t cha CM?!! It’s a shame that the folks who TRULY need help have a hard time finding any ’cause people’s hearts are so hardened by the freeloaders!!!

            “For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.” -, II Thess. 3:10 (KJV)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab9plpNU3tE

            You remind me of Ester CM! LOL!!!

          • Patty

            Don’t thank me, I wouldn’t work with those people for anything. I would probably get arrested for bitch slappin some sense into them. My son just tells me these daily things he deals with to vent. The point is, is that there are more people taking advantage than your blinders will let you see. And it is ALL walks of life. Seems to me, there are untold excuses spewing forth to inable these people to continue on the path of dependence. What we need is a check and balance. Mama, you got 3 kids and no daddy? Here is your deal, you have 18 months. You will go to school 40 hours a week, 5 days a week and be trained in a marketable skill. You will be piss tested. You fail, you lose bennies and kids. Your kids will be in the daycare at the school. You will get passing grades, you will show up every day, you will get all your bennies. Once done, you will move to a slide rule basis. All of your checks will go back to the state to cover your bennies until you get to the point that you make more than what your bennies cover and you will be weaned off of them. You want out, go to school nights on your own to better yourself. The problem is we have not only lowered our exectations of people, we give them excuses on how to fail. If there are THAT many people who are truely mentally, physically disabled and inept, we have bigger problems than imaginable.

          • Tom W.

            Talk about TOUGH love now! I hear ya Patty!!!

          • Patty

            It isn’t tough love at all. It is teaching people how to survive which is obviously something they were lacking in their upbringing. Having all of these people making excuses for them is just like a back handed compliment. People make mistakes in their lives, unwanted pregnancies, dropping out of school, general irresponsibility. Enabling them is not helping them. That is just keeping them down to the lowest form of human existence. Seems to me that the democrats started all of this to keep the minorities down (or at least out of their back yard). Definitely reminds me of slave owners who gave their slaves just enough to survive so they could keep doing their work for them but never rise above that.

          • Tom W.

            You do relise that you’re preachin’ to the choir right?! I mean I don’t mind one bit, as a matter of fact, I’m luvin’ it!! Now I guess McDonalds will be out to get me! I was thankin’ ya while ago for comin’ to my rescue! MC was startin’ to wear on my nerves a little!!! I hate tryin’ to teach the unteachable, but somebody’s gotta try! No wonder the PSS is in such shambles!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Patty, it seems that most people have never had to work with or really be in the same environment with the people you and I seem to have been exposed to. I’ve worked amongst the poorest of the poor in this country and there are a lot of them that live in ways that would horrify the average person. Those poor people see the rest of the world around them but don’t seem to want to do better. I believe that there are so many out there that like to sit and pontificate from on high.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          CardinalMo, are you trying to tell Tom W. that you believe we are the TOH (top of the heap) because we exist now and that somehow we are more morally advanced than 2000 years ago? I don’t think you are right if that’s what you’re saying.

      • charlie

        Tom W. ,,,CardinalMO ,,, et al,,,
        King Jesus is here on Earth today ,,,but you can’t see him because you have Judeo Christian eye sight… I prayed King Jesus into place here as He told us to do at Matthew 6:9,,,read and heed …
        CardinalMO,,, King Jesus is a “Dictator” not a socialist ,,,BUT,,, King Jesus is a Almighty ,,, Good and Perfect Dictator… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

        • Tom W.

          charlie, I advise you to go away before you become the resipient of both our wraths! It’s gonna be bad enough when Jesus tells you to go take a seat with your family!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) LOL!!!

      • Patty

        CM – I live in Minnesota. Don’t come here we have enough liberals. On Section 8, as soon as those people move in with their kids, all of a sudden the cousins, aunts, uncles, mom’s start moving in. At one house, there were 8 people there and the mom was watching the welfare mama’s kids. Where was she? DOUBLE DIPPING in Missouri. Nice to have a summer place up north and a winter place down south, all paid for by the states, huh? You want a breakdown of their monthly benefits?
        Housing 2100.00, food stamps 400.00, free cell 50.00, healthcare for her and 3 kids 1400.00, supplemental utilities 200.00, cable TV/internet(discounted to $10/mo for them) 40.00, SSI for the kids 1635.00. OK, that is 5,825/per month TAX FREE. Times 12 months 69,900.00/yr TAX FREE. WHY WORK? This does not include free tuition, books, food shelves, clothes shelves, and other private charity that they have access to. No wonder they can afford new cars and all the electronics.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

          Yeah Patty, here I am one day in a hurry like we all are anymore, gotta be done yesterday!!! Well here I am and I had to stop by the grocery store and get some things and I get in line behind this woman who’s wearing scrubs and a name tag from one of our local hospitals, a very nice one at that, and she’s got a cart load of grocerys, but at the same time it’s the shortest line there, So I hop in line behind her and it’s all going well untill she starts questioning the cashier about the prices of some of the items. Well the cashier does price checks and it turns out that the lady is just bein’ a PAIN! Well the cashier rings her up, and I mean she had some GOOD eats there, I LOVE to eat, I know!!! The total’s a couple a hundred bucks and the lady whips out that ole’ food stamp card and BAM! I know it was a food stamp card ’cause the cashier mentioned it during the transaction. Now if that wasn’t bad enough, as I was leaving the store, there she was loading her groceries in a NICE brand spankin’ new Jeep Grand Cherokee!!!
          Then another time in Louisville, KY, we were remodeling an old storefront in downtown L’ville and the place was right across from the food stamp office. Well on mothers day (That’s what they call the first of the month!), here they’d all come! And you talk about some sorry sights!!! Crack cocain is the absolute worse drug that has ever plaqued our country!!! But that’s another sermon! Anyway, they would go over and get their stamps, and this was back when they still had stamps, and there was this older heavy set man that would park his Lincoln over by the bldg. where we were workin’ and he would walk around his ride, hanky in hand, breathing his breath on spots he would find on the car and rub them off with the hanky! He LIKED his car!!! Anyway, they would get their stamps and bring them over to him, and he would buy their stamps from them for 50 cents on the buck. They didn’t want the food stamps, they NEEDED the cash so they could get right! But that wasn’t the worse part, the police would ride by, patrol cars, detectives, almost every cop that rode by would wave at this guy like he was their long lost brother and he would wave back and hoot and hollar at ‘em like they were all best a friends! You can’t tell me that those police officers didn’t know exactly what was goin’ on! I know I shoulda called the news people or something, but back then, it’s probably been 20 yrs. ago, I didn’t care! As a matter of fact I probably thought it was cool that they were goin’ to be able to get their buzz on, ’cause back then, that was MY *1 priority too!!!
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      • Patty

        It irks me to no end when I see my friends and their families working their butts off to make it and then you run across these entitlement people. The working poor are getting the biggest shaft. They don’t qualify for any bennies that could lift them up to the next level, so they are really stuck. I would much rather be helping them. When my son was in college he would skip the 1st 2 days. I was like, aren’t they kind of important? He said, not for me, I don’t get a check from the gov’t. to attend school and as soon as they get their checks, they will be gone and I can probably pick up that closed class. What a screwed up system we have.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Patty, You are right, the system is completely screwed up because there are too many people out there who could help those they know if they didn’t have the idea that the government would somehow come to the rescue so now they don’t have to do anything. I hope you understand what I’m saying? I don’t have very much money and certainly the good ole gov would consider me to be impoverished and would send me a check if I asked for it. But, still I can help others as I have resources to offer that aren’t monetary in nature. Many people could do the same if they want to.

          What I’m talking about is what used to exist. A hungry person could knock on a door and offer to work for a meal. Then there used to be systems in the community run by the community that knew who was truly needy and who was just a bum and didn’t deserve certain forms of support. So now all of this door knocking and menial labor is demeaning so our government has to save people from this.

          In spite of all of this government intervention there are still vestiges of this old system still working out there and I see it in the community I live in. Good people don’t wait for the government to tell them to help someone who is truly needy and not just a worthless leach.

  • caduser

    To Michael J.:
    In the time period of “The Shootist,” it was tuberculosis which was known as consumption.

  • truesoy

    Mr.Livingston,
    It shouldn’t come to a surprise to anyone that there is a movement toward a one world government and it doesn’t matter who is president, Democrat or Republican.
    We are being conditiopn to accept the ‘new world order’ as President Bush so eloquently used to speak of, and our ever pressing need to get the stamp of approval, whether rubber or not, from the UN before undertaking any actions to ‘enforce’ UN mandates. Its that simple, anyone nation that deviates from the program is apt to be ‘zap’ into compliance.
    However, we can’t put all the blame on government except for allowing it to be taken for the ride by the international banking system, and by the globalization of the corporate world that are taking us own that road kicking and screaming. That is the burning side of a free market that is out of control. They’ll become the dominant force, a virtually ‘de facto government’ that will supercede the will of the people; and there lies the danger among many others in having Romney elected to the Oval Office.
    Mr. Romney is part of the movement for a fast moving unregulated global financial market, and he would push it into high gear, and whether he is aware of the consequences or not is irrelevant for the results will be the same.
    It is probably a good idea to slow down the process and to give it a pause and thereby, if not avoidable, at least have a say on how it is going to be done to preserve individual liberties and other rights.
    But then again, maybe it is a lot of hype about nothing and we should just relax instead.
    Only time will tell.

    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

  • Smithkowitz

    They gave you Sex, Drugs, Rock N’ Roll, Movies, Sports; what more do you want from the great providers?

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    The globalists are on the march and quite busy in the month of June 2012. The Rio +20 is meeting in Brazil to check on the progress of United Nations Agenda 21 twenty years later. G-20 is meeting in Mexico to discuss sustainability and the threat to globalism by the Euro zone crisis.

    The Bildeberg Group (unofficial, invitation-only, annual international forum of 120-140 globalists, one-third from government, two-thirds from finance, industry, labor, education, communication; meetings are closed to the public) are said to meet in Chantilly, Virginia, to share “ideas” on the upcoming presidential election and a possible rescue for EU. We are not exactly sure of the locale of the latter since they have been known to book more than one hotel in order to throw the few real reporters left off track.

    Americans are beginning to wake up but it is a bit too late. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is preparing to implement UN Agenda 21 concept of Sustainability in all of its activities.

    All government branches have a sustainability plan now. Private businesses are on the bandwagon too – everything is green growth, smart growth, and sustainability.

    Over 1,600 towns and counties in the U.S. are members of ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives). They have now changed their name to Local Governments for Sustainability; it takes the “international” out of the equation and thus the illegality of meddling in our sovereign local zoning affairs.

    ICLEI has been quietly changing our zoning laws with taxpayer dollar grants. Pliable and cooperative local “visioning committees” have been working with international bodies against the U.S. Constitution and the interests of the local citizens.

    Nothing is produced, serviced, or repaired any more unless it has the word “sustainable” attached to it. I wonder how we sustained ourselves for thousands of years before globalists, environmentalists, and global warming progressives invented themselves?

    All federal agencies deny any connection to UN Agenda 21 and label people who bring it up as “agenders,” which is a polite way of saying “tin foil/mad hatters.” J. Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s President Council on Sustainable Development, said in 1998:

    “Participating in a United Nations advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy-fixated groups and individuals in our society…This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a United Nations invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away, would actively work to defeat elected official who joined the ‘conspiracy’ by undertaking local UN Agenda 21. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management, or smart growth.”

    I believe his narrative is called ‘projection.’ He describes well what they are doing while pretending that it is someone else. I have seen liberals and bureaucrats engaging in this type of rhetoric in order to malign the other side. According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism – a person or group “projects” their own unsavory thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto another group or person.

    Lisa Jackson, the EPA administrator, asked in a joint Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-National Academy of Sciences (NAS) meeting on November 30, 2010, to convene a committee of experts to provide EPA with an operational framework for sustainability that applies across all of the agency’s programs, policies, and actions. NAS recommended that “EPA formally adopt as its sustainability paradigm the ‘three pillars’ approach of ‘social, environment, and economic dimensions of sustainability.”

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46501

  • CardinalMo

    Jay, sorry about all the typos I made in my reply to you. I just returned from a Tai Chi class and it’s getting late.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      “Agenda 21 proposes an array of actions which are intended to be implemented by every person on Earth…it calls for specific changes in the activities of all people… Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all humans, unlike anything the world has ever experienced… ” – Agenda 21: The Earth Summit Strategy to Save Our Planet (Earthpress, 1993).

      Agenda 21 seeks to control populations through zoning and seizure of private property, strip national sovereignty, reduce the world population, even control our consumption of meat and air conditioning … all in the name of the environment. And who can be against the environment, right?

      Many Americans cringe at the mention of “global government” or “conspiracy.” And often, conspiracy theories have little basis in fact. But we must recognize that it is a basic element of human nature to seek wealth and power, and that people throughout human history have conspired together to do so. Not all conspiracies are real, but they do exist. And Agenda 21 is a perfect example on a global scale.

      From the report produced by the United Nations Conference on Human Settlements, which was the predecessor to Agenda 21: “Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice…. Public control of land use is therefore indispensable….”

      Our Constitution explicitly protects our private property rights. No wonder President Clinton signed it into law without consent from Congress. In fact, those who drafted the plan considered it to be so toxic that they warned proponents not to use the term Agenda 21.

      “Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy- fixated groups and individuals in our society,” said J. Gary Lawrence, adviser to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development. “This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking [Agenda 21]. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.”

      Rather than defend against the disinformation campaign used to prop up Agenda 21, we must read the document and instead demand why the UN thinks it has any business subjugating the world under its authority when their record is full of epic corruption and humiliating failures.

      Agenda 21: http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/index.shtml

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Jay, A true thing you’ve said about how many conspiracy theories have little basis in fact, but which ones? I have to add that if the mind of man can conceive it then there is probably some group who’s tried to figure out how to do it and when it goes against the law then legally it’s considered a conspiracy.

        Someone made a negative comment about Tom W. because he posted the youtube video about the monument in Georgia. Someone went to considerable expense to build it and part of it calls for maintaining a population that the world sustain at 500 million. Sounds like some kind of conspiracy to me. The people are asleep but will wake up one day to find they are in chains and next in line for the guillotine. although the guillotine seems like a slow way to get rid of 6.5 billion people. Oh well, they must have a method figured out by now?

        • CardinalMo

          Katrael, OneSaint..Monsanto is working on killing everyone. GMO;s are in everything which has corn startch, corn, soy, and any other corn and soy derritives. Chickens are fed corn, as are hogs, cows…GMO’d animals all of them unless they are organic and eating the foods they eat naturally.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, now if you’re serious about your comment on Monsanto then we can agree. GMO’s? Even without a conspiracy to kill people we need to wonder about the wisdom of tampering with what took billions of years to evolve and millions of years for our bodies to learn how to assimilate. But if your like I am I have to wonder about the wisdom of tampering with something that YHWH made to be compatible with our bodies. Evolution or Creation, you pick.

            Organic meats. If you’ve got to eat meat then that’s the way you should go. I quit eating meat because I couldn’t afford to buy organic but even if it was organic you couldn’t tell for sure how it was raised so I stopped eating meat. I do eat raw organic egg yolks from cage free chickens though as they have lots of B12 and other essential nutrients I find it hard to get otherwise. Now I’ve got my own chickens again but I don’t think I’ll eat them I believe that I’ll just continue to enjoy the yolks.

            Nutrition is another way for the OWG to control people. They get sick and turn to the allopaths and their sorcery (pharmaceuticals) that are so expensive that they need the central government to pretend to control those industries and to provide us with special insurances just so people can be drugged to death.

            Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceriesG5331 were all nations deceived.

            G5331
            φαρμακεία
            pharmakeia
            far-mak-i’-ah
            From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): – sorcery, witchcraft.

            It’s a conspiracy alright

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            You got that right Katrael, some things man would be wise to just leave alone, but you know as well as I, that ain’t happenin’!!! This Monsanto thing is a perfect example, what in the hell do they think they’re doin’?!! It’s almost as if some of us are down here are givin’ God a raspberry!!! GO AHEAD! I DARE YA!!! I send you a picture of Baphomet, the god of the Freemasons, notice the caduceus rising out of his crouch. That is Mercury’s wand from mythology and also the official symbol for medical practice in general!!!

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. What’s Monsanto doing? Well, if the Messiah doesn’t return soon and things continue to grind on as they are we’ll be able to find out. I believe that eventually we’ll find out that what Monsanto is doing is bad for mankind.

            I think Lew White comments on the medical symbol also.

            I haven’t forgot the virgins. My source, what ever it was, wasn’t found on the internet as I don’t think it existed in the form we have now. I know it was printed material but I’ve spent a couple of hours searching the net for the info. It’s a matter of using the right descriptors. I’ve got a few ideas I’ll try sometime tomorrow. It bothers me. I want to find it to confirm that I didn’t make it up.

          • CardinalMo

            To Tom and Katrael, Monsanto is a chemical company which is based in St. Louis. The company has been in business for about 100 years. This company became a fertalizer company and made a lot of money from farmers. Later they made dixons, DDT, Agent Orange, and now they are making Genetically Modified seeds. They own the seeds. Farmers are not allowed to save the seeds replanting the next year. That means the farmers have to purchase new seeds from Monsanto every year.

            The crops that have been Genetically Modified is primarily com, soy, and canoila. Genetically foods are not the same thing as hybrids…which some people who don’t understand GMO’s confuse. People who don’t understand the difference or who supportGMO’s will say “Humanity has been genetically modifying our foods for centuries.”

            Here I try to explain the process of the GMO’s:

            All living things have billions of cells. Each cell has a inpenetrable wall. This wall serves the purpose of protecting the cell from foreign substances, It also keeps species distinct.
            This is way a rose doesnt end up having the qualities of a daisy. Remember each cell also has a specific DNA structure exclusive to it’s species.

            Now what Monsanto has done is to cross the barrier of the cell, cut out a piece of the DNA link and injected the DNA of a chemical which (was used in Agent Orange, and is in the weed killer Round Up), into the cell DNA. Why? So the crops are immune to round up. As time has passed the weeds have grown to the round up and now the corn, soy, canola, cotton, zuccini, and some other foods are soon to be sprayed with a stronger chemical element contained within Agent Orange.

            Now the issue: The USDA did not conduct any independent testing on the safety of the frankin foods. Monsanto conducted it’s own tests….of course they lied. They were into the selling of their round up product. Kill the weeds, save the crops. Sounds like a great idea…right…NO Other nations who were beginning to accept GMO’s have been discovering that GMO’s are creating DNA mutations in mice and rats. A good sign that our bodies are changing too. What happens is because the DNA structure has been changed new and I mean NEW proteins are developing. No animal, human, or anyother living thing has ever been exposed to the protein…so the body reacts in diverse ways.

            The first generation- parents eat the GMO food. Contractions occur in the intestinse, intestinatal problems develop…there are problems in the liver.

            Generation 2: offspring from generation 1 are of a lower birth weight. Facial features around they eyes are slightly off center. They have a shorter lifespan than the contorl group. A great number of the second generation do not survive to adulthood and many die as babies. ( I don’t remember the %) The GMO fed off spring have the third generation.

            Generation 3: This group is steril. They do not produce.

            There is the death to most of the people on the planet. Nothing overt.

            Read all labels. If it contains, Soy, Corn, Canola, Cotton seed oil…DO Not consume.
            Corn starch,High fructous corn syrup.Do not eat. Meats, eggs, which consume Soy, Corn..Do not eat. Milk, cheeses for dairy which eat corn, soy…Do Not eat.

            In short we do not yet know all of the problems which may develop because of consumption. Argentina has some serious problems, illnesses, deformities, cancers, and a host of other problems going on in areas where the Round Up is sprayed on the GMO crops. They are concerned about the environmental damages and the mutations of the crops themselves. The corn looks fine but the plant itself has changed. Animals, other benficial plants are dying, bees, butterflies…

            They have broken the farmers in India with their crops to the point where the farmers are just committing sucide. They see no way out. They bought the GMO’s, and when they decided to return to growing their own seeds…they had none and of course they could not afford to purchase Monsants seeds every year. So, in the end GMO seeds does not feed a hungry planet….it starves it…..all for Corporate profits.

            Now maybe you have a bit of an idea why I am so for the people and not the Corporations. I have been watching the GOM movement since before industry began to implement it. Back then I there was no internet. I never believed it would work or be safe. And now we cannot escape the clutches or the profit motives of Monsanto!

            You are eating this. We all are, until we make our connections and buy strictly organic.

            So should we leave this one up to God or should we demonstrate, write letters to food producers, senators, congressmen, USDA, FDA, The Agrictural Department, Grocery Stores, The President?

            I’ve begun my campaigh, my boycott, my letters to food producers. I let them know I will consume NO product containing the above mentioned GMO foods, or ingredients derived from GMO foods.

            The people of several states are trying to make Monsanto at least label foods which have GMOs in them. Californian’s are placing a initative on their ballot to vote for GMO labelling. Food Democracy! We have an inailable right to know what we are eating. We have a right to make choices. The only problem…Monsanto will probably sue the state of California as it has threatened the other states who have attempted this…and the senators of these states backed out of the labelling laws for their states because of the mere threat..

            California’s state is different. The world has come together on this issue. People from around the world are donating money to help Canifornia fight Monsanto…in court!…when Monsanto sues.

            If you would like to donate here is the address: I want to double check what I have. I will go on line to get it and post it by this afternoon.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, maybe GMO’s are the NWO’s way of reducing the population of this planet to a sustainable 500,000,000 souls? The question is: will they be safe in world taken over by the GMO’s?

          • CardinalMo

            Tom..I guess they all make sure they eat organic. According to an inside source at Monsanto…they eat organic…

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, how can anyone really be safe, even those who eat organic when I understand that the GMO’s cross pollinate with the hybrids and heirlooms? I guess they have seed banks with strains that haven’t been infected.

          • CardinalMo

            Yes there are protected seed strains. They are kept in seed banks. But, believe the monsanto people can make certain they are not eating GMO by tests. They know when crops contaminate an original field of corn, etc., and sue the farmers whose crops have been polenated with the GMO crops. That is why Monsanto has to eventually and soon stop subjecting the planet to their monsterous genetic manipulation corps. If we do not work to stop them they will own all of the crop seeds…it’s that simple. And all of the crops will then be GMO frankin foods.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I’m all in favor of stopping Monsanto for humanities sake. In the mean time I plant nothing but heirloom seed that is guaranteed to be so. There are several good companies out there who sell heirlooms. I hope I live far enough away from the Monsanto nightmare that I don’t have to worry about contamination.

          • CardinalMo

            Yes Katrael heirloom is good if you can get guaranteed organic seeds…so much the better. yes, where and how to plant are important. I’m fairly lucky in New Mexico…I think. The soil is poor in most areas, water limited, and space limited. So, we are trying community gardens, and networks of organic gardens. We hope to hold a Farmers Market on the church grounds. It was the biggest space we could find in town. This is our first year at the community garden so we’ll see how that goes. We have to garden here in patches so we’ll probably never have even an acre to till.

            We really need to support the organic farmers as much as we can..Most of these are very small but certainly much bigger than our little plot. But, the more of us that grow a garden the more food there will be which is organic. At my house I pull the weeds…an it is quite a battle here.

            But, the Native Americans and the Hisipanics learned to survive in this arid land and so will we. I’m purchasing my first organic mutton from a Navajo. I make mysel like it…I hope. I’ve eaten lamb and learned to like it and a lot of wierd or wild food like escargo, alligator, frog legs, rabbit, phasant, turtle. It was all pretty good.

            Good luck on your garden.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo. have you considered no-till gardening methods? I started a little 12 X 15 plot to see how it works. This is the second year and it’s better this year than last. I wasn’t able to afford all of the component parts as I only make less than 2k a year so I improvised with what I had. We have poor soil here in Georgia also but maybe not as bad as there. This plot is coming on strong so far this year. Also, it’s good that you have learned to eat what is available naturally. I’ve identified fifty wild edible medicinal plants here and I know that there are more. It’s fun finding them and maybe one day might save some lives. Georgia suffers from periods of drought and this year is no exception but the local flora is used to that. Still I like the vegies from out of my garden and my raw egg yolks. Good stuff.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael…I’m considering purchasing an above ground ready made set for this year. I thought it would give me a new concept in gardening. It might be much better in this climate. The Incas used this same basic method….much larger of course.

          • CardinalMo

            To Katrael. We have medicinal also. You’ll never find them in books. It seems like the southwest plant life is nearly unknown to any one but the old Navajos, Acomas, and Hispanics. I wouldn’t know one from the other if it bit me. So I am going to have to find a way to work on this. If you ever find Asfran or Mexican Saffron buy it. It is an old remedy for fevers. It works great! You make a tea out of it, drink it a few times a day until the fever burns out. Example: Say someone has a fever of 102…drink the Mexican Saffron, take one asprin with the drink…(only one) then sleep. When you wake up the fever may have gone down to 100 …as it climbs again it will clime to 101, repeat the remedy. The fever will continue to go down and then rise but it is lower than the previous.

            I used this on my daughter. She had caught this horrible flu from one of her little friends. Her friend had fever of 102. That evening she also had a fever of 102. Her friend went to the doctor and had the usual treatment for it. My daughters fever was gone and she was fine after 3 days. Her friends illness lasted at least a week.

            The neat thing is the Mexican Saffron looks just like the Saffron one sees in the stores. You might have to find a Mexican community in order to find it.

            A good combo with the Mexican Saffron is to make Onion soup and put a lot of the Saffron in the soup. I felt like I was getting sick one time but had the energy to make the soup. I ate the soup and went to be. I sweated like a roasting hog during the night. But, the next morning I felt fine and and went to work.

            But that is an example of an herbal medican for you. Good luck locating it. Herbal medicine doesn’t always work if it does why not use it first? And, if the condition worsens..then go to the doc.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I know this isn’t a local remedy but, it is effective. I’ve seen it work in as little as five minutes and I’ve never known it to fail: oil of oregano. If you have a local health food store they should handle it. It’s effective against many “bugs” and seems to work well with the common cold. I’ve also found that the fresh herb is almost as effective if eaten from the plant. Now for the disclaimer: I can not diagnose, treat or cure any disease. Did I do that correctly?

            Our wonderful government wouldn’t want me to say that anybody but their sponsored medical monopoly can diagnose, treat and cure any diseases.

            I have a Peterson’s Field guide to Medicinal Plants that is tailored for my region and I find that it is an indispensable aid to plant identification. Peterson offers one for every region of the country. They aren’t expensive but they are great to have even if they don’t identify everything. There are over eight hundred edible and medicinal plants in this country alone that have been identified and there are thousands that haven’t been yet. The estimate is that there are at least five thousand plants that can be found in this country. There are estimated to be at least twenty five thousand plants world wide and man kind is only beginning to understand them. Most haven’t even been analyzed yet…. there are approximately only five thousand that have been investigated. Good hunting: live well and prosper.

          • CardinalMo

            Thanks again Katrael.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, you’re welcome. Looks like you and Tom W. kissed and made up. Good.

          • CardinalMo

            There three major lessons I learned in life. 1) get over it. 2) the world doesn’t rotate around my needs or wants. 3) No matter how smart we are we will never know everything about everything. If we are lucky, we will know a lot about a few things, or we’ll know a little about a lot. Therefore, above all one has to keep an open mind, a light heart, and continue to reach out to others, listen, ask questions, and continue to learn.

            I admit I have a problem when people belittle, or name call other people. I don’t like to call people names and certainly make an effort to not jump on that train. Name calling is rampant in our culture.

            I’m not certain what other cultures do. I’ve heard the Japanese are very careful not to humiliate others or to “cause them to lose face”. I don’t think some of the talk shows help the situation. This name calling is used to entertain, excite an audience of listeners. Now those audiences copy the talk show hosts. The use of name calling is far worse than I remember it as a kid.

            Tom seemed to show me a lighter side for a moment so…I can go with that.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, good advice. I once read that a person should speak neither good or evil about someone. I wondered about this? Then I realized what it meant: avoid flattery and remarks meant to belittle or to denigrate. This is a difficult thing to avoid. But, it doesn’t mean that we can’t fix a label or a name to someone or something if it’s appropriate.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael, Perhaps I miss understood what you meant by putting ” a lable on someone if it is appropriate.” Putting a label on someone is to me as bad as name calling. For example: If a person is fat is it appropriate to label them as the “fat guy.” Or is soneone has mental retardation is it kind to label them as “retard/stupid. Because we only see the outside of a person or a small representation of the complexity of the mind/heart/and actions in a limited setting…we may be judging a person by completely false interpretations.

            Consider this. Life, situations, and people are always in a state of movement…change.
            We the observer may have a fever one day and the person we are interacting with may be angry about something. This person may come off as a real jerk. So you see him as a jerk (the label sticks in your mind) He see you as a deadbeat person…(the image sticks with him)…perhaps neither label is at all true. And, perhaps because of the things which both observers were dealing with colored their vision of the other person. This holds true I think even if we know a person. We do not know anything about what is going on in a person. Life is a process …we grow, we change, we struggle with a variety of issues. Labels tend to stick even when people and situations change. So, I don’t label people….or I should probably say I certainly try not to. I tend to live life in the moment. Deal with one day at a time and I try to create warm memories with others even if they are angry, disagree with me, or even hold different values and morals. It helps and it gives people the opportunity to live up to your trust and acceptance of them.

            I had an old landlord many years ago that told me I was the kind of person who could have a talk with the devil and come out OK. Later I discovered he was correct. I’ve been a bit of a peace maker between people and have turned a few people around. I been able to change a some people from being enraged to laughing and joking. I simply did not judge them, label them, call them names, I listened, calmly gave suggestions, but I was also honest and compassionate. It really works. And, it sure makes me feel better.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, isn’t saying she’s an American labeling? We call people by a lot of things, mother, father, daddy, mommy…well, you get my point. There’s nothing wrong with saying that somebody is a conservative or liberal or any of that. A person can be liberal with his wealth and bless people with it. And as far as fat and mentally retarded? It’s generally accepted that the label “retard” is meant to be degrading but saying that someone is “mentally retarded” may not be because it may be descriptive of the persons mental capabilities. If someone is morbidly obese and someone asked me what that persons physical characteristics were I might simply say they are fat. We may have to try to be considerate of people’s feelings but we can’t let that get in the way of appropriate communications.

            Would it bother me if someone had the opinion of me that I was a jerk or a deadbeat? It used to but I learned that people have a right to think as they please about me and that what they think doesn’t necessarily have to mean anything to me. And maybe those things would be true about me. This politically incorrect stuff will never end. People will always turn labels into something insulting in an attempt to demonize a person or group of people. A gay person used to be a happy person then it turned into an insult. That could happen with every descriptive word we use.

            I don’t have a problem with people who disagree with me but then I’ll say they’re “angry” and if it becomes a real issue between us I will have to resort to a stronger label for that persons attitude.

            CardinalMo, labels/names are how we associate things and it’s the only way we can communicate about the things and people in our lives to other people. Just try to be considerate. Now, as for me, there are times when I don’t care to be considerate and that’s when I struggle with it and sometimes I lose. I’m just being honest. And sometimes you have to resort to the “shock treatment” with some people. When I’m angry about something somebody’s done or said I usually try to ask a question like “What are you insane.” I may feel that they are but I recognize that it may just be my feelings….then again it might be true. This all depends on the moment.

          • CardinalMo

            I’m just simply going to say that perhaps it depends upon tone of voice, body language, facial expressions. There is a difference between a title like mom, dad, liberal, conservative,acountant..etc. But even these can be used in a hateful manner….if one adds on an adjective.

            I just make it a point to not attack people verbally in a manner that will cause them to lose face. What is the point? I’d rather respect others no matter how horrible they may be or how angry they may make me in the moment.

            Oh, actually people who work with People who have mental retardation do not ever say the person is retarded. The logic is this, the person is not about their retardation…The is a first person and has the condition of being retarded. Note my sentence…People who have.

            If a person has any other disease such as cancer, or a broken leg we would say that woman with the cancer or that man with the broken leg. We wouldn’t say that broken legged boy.. or that cancer woman. See what I mean?

            I guess I look at all of this as how would I feel if I or the other person died in the middle of me being hateful to them. I don’t think I would feel very good about myself…so I just try not to go there.

            A lot of fights, arguments, and bad feelings come between people from saying things like You a…….fill in the blank. I’d rather say directly what I don’t like without putting the person down. I don’t like when you do ……to me. ….that type of thing.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I can see your academic background coming through here. I know you would never go into the classroom and purposely denigrate a student, his ethnicity, race or anything that relates to that student. I believe that we’ve done something wrong in our society by making such a mountainous issue out of PC.

            What is it that we should say about people like Hitler, Mao, Stalin and a host of other monsters who were responsible for the murders of over 100 million people in the last century? Do we tell our children that they “were misunderstood”? How do we convey the message that these people were monsters without saying so?

            I don’t disagree with some of your points but I do with others. There has to be a time and place for everything. Maybe we don’t call Hitler et al “monsters” in school; we just relate how many people were killed. Morality should be taught at home but still I think that if a parent thinks Hitler et al were monsters then they should teach their children that and why they believe it. The words we choose to use carry the depth of our convictions about a subject. The stronger the language the deeper the conviction. That’s how we work as human beings and sometimes that is appropriate.

          • CardinalMo

            When it comes to Hitler, Mao, etc. people who have committed grave offences against humanity. We do not need to call them anything to get the point across. All we have to do is speak the truth. My teachers had no need to tell us that Hitler was horrible or that Mao, any other criminal person was evil, horrible, insane…etc…They spoke the truth of the crimes which were committed. But, I learned more from my father than any one about Hitler. He had photos of corpses, he had photos of lamps with lampshades made of human flesh. He was able to communicate the horrors of the time from his witnessing of the events.

            In schools we have to teach about the civil rights, Martin Luther King, slavery, the underground rail road, and Jim Crow Laws. We do say that White People are evil, monsters. Or goal as teachers is to patch the broken bridges of past by letting children know that there were also many good white people who helped slaves, and blacks. Children understand the truth that during those days people had huge pieces land to grow food, and cotton. They could not afford to pay for labourers. They accepted slavery because many nations have had slaves. Even people who fundamentally did not believe in slavery had slaves…and worked against the system of slavery.

            Some one once told me that it is always easier to tell the truth than to tell a lie. Because, some day someone will figure out the truth. One usually looses a lot when they are caught in a lie. And, may be punished more severely for the lie than whatever the infraction was.

            I’m not into the PC…however, anything that is a mandate can go to far sometimes. I am into truth…always seeking truth and opinions, point of views from others. It’s just my thing to negatively label people. To me it has always seemed cruel, and below the belt.
            I give people respect ( or at least try to) even if they may not really have earned it. I think Jesus would do that.

            I believe that God even loves the devil…because God does not hate. God is loving right?

            I had a dream once in which evil was coming after me….in waking up I heard my lips responding (as though still in the dream- lucid dreaming) “I hate evil!” then I looked at whatever it was and thought…”No, I don’t hate evil I do not acknowledge evil.” I reasoned that God does not want us to learn to hate but to love…and If I give energy to hating I am in fact making evil stronger. Now this does not mean that one lays down and does not take efforts to defend ones self…

            Does any of that make and sense to you? Negative Labels, name calling is disrespectful. I have experienced many individuals which did not deserve my respect. But, I give them respect any way. Because, I do not know who they really are. Maybe I’m the only one who has ever given them respect. Maybe as a person can be hungry until they receive a meal…maybe respect is a meal to their spirit. God would have us to help our brothers and sisters and not slam the door in their face.

            It’s been great communicating with you.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, there is an old Hebrew saying, “speak neither bad or good.” This was told to Laban as he was hot on the heals of Jacob who had taken off with Laban’s daughters and his grandchildren and one other thing that was important to him: the idol of Gad the deity of fortune.

            Gen_31:24 And God came to Laban the Syrian in a dream by night, and said unto him, Take heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad.
            Gen_31:29 It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt: but the God of your father spake unto me yesternight, saying, Take thou heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad.

            The word “bad” is translated from the noun “rah” and is often translated as “evil”.

            YHWH wasn’t telling Laban not to confront Jacob, he was saying not to try to flatter or denigrate. Kind of like the old TV show Dragnet, the facts mam just the facts. Does this mean that we can never call something of someone evil, a thief, a liar, a murderer? No, we have to stick to the facts and if something is evil we should call it that. Here’s a question: was Hitler evil because of what he did or did he do those things because he was evil?

            Although you are correct that it is not always necessary to indulge in that kind of talk especially in school where I’ve already said that I agree that teaching morality doesn’t belong in school. There is a simple reason for this: I don’t want somebody to teach my children their morals, and this isn’t anything personal about you, because teachers are authority figures hired by the government to teach basic skills and not state sponsored or personal morals. The government may be getting ready to put it’s blessing on the recognition of same sex marriages. I don’t want my children or grandchildren to learn this as same sex marriages are evil to me. I don’t want my children to learn that it’s OK to experiment with drugs and sex as it was taught in a high school in Colorado. I don’t know you personally and you might be the most moral person in the world but I have learned not to trust anybody with my responsibilities and that especially includes trusting people whom I don’t know.

            You mentioned God. If you believe in God then I have to ask: who made evil and why? My take on it is that man has a higher purpose and he’s given just enough power now so that he can learn to use it responsibly. That learning also includes learning the differences between good and evil. How can you know and recognize one without the other?

            Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.

            YHWH most certainly does want us to learn how to love as you say but how can you learn to do this unless you know why you should? Love has to be voluntary or it’s not love. Learning these lessons applies to individuals as well as to society as a whole. Are all our lessons to be about evil? No, we’ve got to learn to do good things as well.

            One day we may find ourselves being worthy of true power, the ultimate power of creation. We won’t be counted worthy of that power until YHWH knows we are ready. You don’t give your two year old a loaded weapon or put him behind the wheel of a running automobile and expect him to know how to handle them properly. So it is with us.

            I think it’s right to defend yourself and your family and with the right amount of force to guarantee success.

            So much for my pontificating.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael, Hummmm You have some very interesting thoughts here. I’ll need to absorb them more deeply and read your comment again. It’s pretty late…& I’m finally getting a bit sleepy.

            Hope your mother’s day created warm memories for you to cherish.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, yeah it was late and I don’t think I was as coherent as I could have been. I have a question: how do you go about bridging the gap between for the inequity that our system imposed on not only the Black people but the Native Americans? As far as that Hebrew quote: it’s far more than what I said as it also means that we should not bless or curse. And one last question for now about labels: if it’s not appropriate to say bad things about people then is it proper to say good things about them?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            A Message From Chief Seattle
            The following is a copy of a letter that was said to have been written by Chief Seattle, a man of great wisdom and sorrow. It’s been widely reported that Chief Seattle wrote this letter to President Pierce as his people were being forced off their ancestral land. There is substantial evidence that this claim is in fact not true. Irregardless of who indeed the author of this piece truly is, the words are chillingly prophetic and have haunted me since the first time I read them over two decades ago.
            ” How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them? Every part of this earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every clearing and humming insect is holy in the memory and experience of my people. The sap which coursed through the trees carries the memories of the red man. The white man’s dead forget the country of their birth when they go to walk among the stars. Our dead never forget this beautiful earth, for it is the mother of the red man. We are part of the earth, and it is a part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters; the deer, the horse, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the juices in the meadows, the body heat of the pony, and man–all belong to the same family. So when the great white Chief in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land, he asks much of us. The great Chief sends word he will reserve us a place so that we can live comfortably to ourselves. He will be our father, and we will be his children. So we will consider your offer to buy our land. But it will not be easy. For this land is sacred to us. This shining water that moves in the streams and the rivers is not just water but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you land, you must remember that it is sacred, and you must teach your children that it is sacred and that each ghostly reflection in the clear water of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water’s murmur is the voice of my father’s father. The rivers are our brothers, they quench our thirst. The rivers carry our canoes and feed our children. If we sell you our land, you must remember and teach your children, that the rivers are our brothers, and yours, and you must henceforth give the rivers the kindness you would give any brother. We know that the white man does not understand our ways. One portion of land is the same to him as the next, for he is a stranger who comes in the night and takes from the land whatever he needs. The earth is not his brother, but his enemy, and when he has conquered it, he moves on. He leaves his fathers’ graves, and his children’s birthright is forgotten. He treats his mother, the earth, and his brother, the sky, as things to be bought, plundered, sold like sheep or bright beads. His appetite will devour the earth and leave behind only a desert. I do not know. Our ways are different from your ways. The sight of your cities pains the eyes of the red man. But perhaps it is because the red man is a savage and does not understand. There is no quiet place in the white man’s cities. No place to hear the unfurling of leaves in spring, or the rustle of an insect’s wings. But perhaps it is because I am a savage and do not understand. The clatter only seems to insult the ears. And what is there to life if a man cannot hear the lonely cry of the whippoorwill or the arguments of the frogs around a pond at night? I am a red man and do not understand. The Indian prefers the soft sound of the wind darting over the face of a pond, and the smell of the wind itself, cleansed by rain or scented with the pine cone. The air is precious to the red man, for all things share the same breath: the beast, the tree, the man, they all share the same breath. The white men, they all share the same breath. The white man does not seem to notice the air he breathes. Like a man dying for many days, he is numb to the stench. But if we sell you our land, you must remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. And if we sell you our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where even the white man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow’s flowers.
            So we will consider your offer to buy our land. If we decide to accept, I will make one condition. The white man must treat the beasts of this land as his brothers. I am a savage, and I do not understand any other way. I have seen a thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot them from a passing train. I am a savage, and I do not understand how the smoking iron horse can be more important than the buffalo that we kill only to stay alive. What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, man would die from a great loneliness of spirit. For whatever happens to the beasts soon happens to man. All things are connected. You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of our grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. Even the white man, whose God walks and talks with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We shall see. One thing we know, which the white man may one day discover –our God is the same God. You may think now that you own Him as you wish to own our land: but you cannot. He is the God of man, and His compassion is equal for the red man and the white. This earth is precious to Him, and to harm the earth is to heap contempt upon its Creator. The Whites, too, shall pass; perhaps sooner than all other tribes. Contaminate your bed, and you will one night suffocate in your own waste. But in your perishing, you will shine brightly, fired by the strength of the God who brought you to this land and for some special purpose gave you dominion over this land and over the red man. That destiny is a mystery to us, for we do not understand when the buffalo are all slaughtered. the wild horses are tamed, the secret corners of the forest heavy with the scent of many men, and the view of the ripe hills blotted out by talking wires. Where is the thicket? Gone. Where is the eagle? Gone.”

            Prophecy fulfilled?!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. that was a very moving piece. I can commiserate with whomever wrote this. I don’t belong to this society and never have. I don’t think like most people do. I feel most at home when I’m in the wild alone and away from the bustle of our society. I especially like this line: ” to harm the earth is to heap contempt upon its Creator.” I take this one step farther: our bodies were created out of the earth in the land of Pleasure and Delight (Eden) and our bodies are all that is left of the original Garden of Eden (Gan Aiden). We are a part of this earth and to harm ourselves is to heap contempt upon our creator. He expects us to take care of what we live in and the land that we live on. He gave us the land as a gift to tend. Since we are a part of the land we have to tend to ourselves.

            One day man will find out he doesn’t need his technology to survive and be happy or to search the stars.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Our problem in a nutshell Katrael; God gave us this magnificant creation of His and commanded us to be good stewarts of what He gave us. It has EVERYTHING that we NEED to survive and THRIVE!!! Why are there starvin’ people, much less children in our world?!! Nothing has EVER been fast enough, warm enough, cool enough, long enough, ect., we spend billions and billions of dollars on the exploration of space. Don’t get me wrong, I feel that sience has it’s place, but how can we justify the expense of space exploration when there’s starving people without CLEAN drinking water dying right here on the planet on which we live?!! How is that being a good stewart?!! Of all the technilogical advances that we’ve made since the industrial revolution exploded following the Civil War, I would venture to say that the MOST advances have been made in the ART of killin’ one another!!!

            “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” – II Tim. 3:1-5 (KJV)

            No better description of humanity today nowhere!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I have to say Amen to II Tim. 3:1-5 (KJV). I’d like to add: slothful to the list.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            You asked me two good questions Katrael, I’m not sure I can give you a proper answer since I’m not familiar with Hebrew quotes, I think that since we are all made different in ways of thinking just like sometimes other people can see others better than others can see themselves which tells me that when God created all of us we all have a part of God within us as we are all created one as a whole,so shouldn’t that make everyone equal in the eyes of God. There will always be emitting positive and negative forces to everyone from all directions on the planet,even thou humans are considered the superior species animals and insects for they too have conflicts,this must be a natural instinct to attack with the other as to in which all different tribes see things differently and sometimes there is a natural conflict instinct to attack as to some argue and call a person names just because they disagree A good example for different tribes to conflict besides the rules of Law and Politics is that there is over 2000 different Religon’s. As centuries pass in to different generations all livings things change to evolve slightly like some different races unite together as to even some animals will get along together with other different animals these days. I think that God created people,animals and even insects in order for all to learn to adapt together in order to benefit from each other to exceed in Life. If we were all made the same every ones thoughts could not deduce to reason for logic thinking just like your questions is unknown to me in which I could learn to benefit from it. So people should judge not or they will be judged, as far as not to compliment someone and not to say good things to them at the same time probably shows a mixed signal that results to mixed emotions, I’m not sure about that if you ever find the answer let me know, thanks for the questions

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I think you have a very conservative view on how many religions are on this planet. I estimate the number to be about 7 billion as it seems everyone has a slightly different view point. LOL

            I think my point about whether it’s appropriate to say something good or to point out something bad about someone is this: we have to be able to judge whether a person or group of people are motivated by good or evil. We can only determine that by the actions they take. I know a person is a murderer if they murder and once they have displayed their proclivity to murder then I can label them a murderer. I don’t want my friends or family members to be associated with people who do that as they may decide they want to murder them so I will warn them with the strongest language that is appropriate. The point about not speaking good or bad about somebody is that we shouldn’t make up lies about them. What would happen to us if we couldn’t make judgement calls about others? We’d be in danger. Now about judging others?

            Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
            Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
            Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
            Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
            Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

            I believe this says that there can be a time when we will be able to make a judgement call. Notice Mat 7:5. If I properly judge then I’ll be properly judged.

            I can’t say that any individual I know will burn in the Lake of Fire. That’s not my call right now. I don’t write their names in the book of life nor am I able to remove it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Katreal I did not guess the amount of relegions to be 2000,that is what is quoted in a consumer study, maybe that amount is incorrect but did you really think there are 7 billion different relegions on the planet?, that means that would come close to a different relegion for every person on the planet,the earths population is not too much over 7 billion now and yes your right about the hyprocrites, most of us are that and it is hard for most to admit it as to it is to judge someone as to they will be judged as well. Like most I find my self on both sides of the fence sometimes and it can be difficult to stay on the right path

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, yes in a very real sense I do believe that there is a religion that is unique to almost every person on the planet. Each of us have a unique perspective, a view if you like, of life and it’s meaning. Some worship the leaders that they follow and others worship themselves while others worship Wodin or Thor or God or whatever. There are enough with similar but not the same perspective who call themselves Baptists, Catholics, Jewish, Muslims or whatever but each has something, even if it only is in the strength of their conviction, that they see differently from someone else.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            ok if you say so Katrael, I DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENT NAMES FOR THE 2000 DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS BUT I SURE CAN’T IMAGINE ANYONE COMING UP WITH 7 BILLION but any way your idea is one interesting way to look at it in a personal perspective. That is a good example how we all hare a different mind set in order to create
            different ideas to be innovative that puts us where we are at today. I think the choice of choosing a religion is not important as to it is about the personal relationship with Christ

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, well, that 7 billion thing is just that a personal perspective but I do think that in some ways it’s valid. :) And just think: if they paid somebody to come up with 7 billion names for seven billion religions they have job security. I agree that our most pressing need is the relationship we have with the Messiah.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE GEORGIA TEMPLE GUIDES STONES THE CORPORATE ELITE’S BUILT ABOUT HUMANITY MUST NOT HAVE OVER 500 MILLION PEOPLE WORLD WIDE THEN SUBTRACT THAT FROM 7 BILLION WHICH WOULD BE A CLOSE ESTIMATE ON MANY PEOPLE WILL PERISH DURING OR BEFORE THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION WHICH I CAN’T HELP TO THINK MAYBE ONLY 10 PERCENT WILL MAKE IT TO GOD’S KINGDOM, BUT I’M NOT SURE, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Robbie about the Tribulation, Jesus speaking in Matt. 24:22 says, “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”, what is meant by this statement?! Jack Van Impe says that he believes that since the length of the Tribilation, time wise, has already been determined, it must refer to the length of the daylight hours and could relate to the prophecies that say the sun shall be darkened. The reason for this being a nuclear winter, massive volcano eruption, or astoroid strike, or something of that sort! Which according to Jack’s theory will save whatever humans are left on the earth at that time from massive solar flares that will be happing on the sun. (Rev. 16:8&9) But one can only speculate about those things!
            The point I want to make to you Robbie is that there is going to be an event before the Great Tribulation in which every Christian on this earth, both alive and SLEEPING (Dead!) will be taken away from this earth to be with our Lord in our NEW HEAVENLY HOME!!! GLORY HALLELUJAH! This event is called the Rapture and is spoken of in the Scriptures;

            The Rapture;

            “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36

            “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethern, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which remain alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” – I Thess. 13-18

            “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?” – I Cor. 15:51-55

            The only people left on the earth at that point and time will be unbelievers, dead and deader! But not ALL is lost!!! It will be the time of the GREATEST revival ever!!! It’s gonna be kinda a shame that we won’t be around to experience it in the flesh! LOL!!! This period of seven years will be the worst in human history as the earth is engulfed in the FULL fury of God Almighty!!! Faith in Jesus will save your soul in the Tribulation, but it may cost you your head! (Rev. 20:4) It is these Christians that are saved DURING the Great Tribulation who will make up the few who make it ALL the way to the end. If you should wake up and find yourself on the other side of the Rapture, DON’T PANIC!!! Drop to your knees and say the sinners prayer! WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK!!! (Rev. 13:16-18) Once you take the mark, YOU’RE TOAST! There is NO turning back! (Rev. 14:11) Faith in Christ may cost you your life durin’ the Trib, but whether you are martyred or make it all the way through, it’s a WIN/WIN!!! We’ll ALL be together in Paradise! So comfort one another with these words!!! You know Robbie, when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulaion to battle the armies of the anti-Christ, we who know Him as Lord and Savior now, WILL BE WITH HIM WHEN HE RETURNS! GLORY HALLELUJAH!!! (Rev. 17:14) I pray this was able to help Robbie!
            Mah Shalomekah!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            yes tom, you pretty much told me everything that I already know but I was wondering about all the people that did not make it to God’s kingdom that will have to endure the seven year tribulation, there will be many that can’t tolerate going threw so much misery to the point that they will try to kill themselves but will be unable to die, do you think they have another chance to repent at that time to get another chance to gain their salvation?
            I tell everyone not to take the chip or they would be devil food when their soul departs from their body, afterwards those of which would be put back together by the demons to be torn apart again and again. your right I would rather have my head cut off than to buy into the lies of the NWO’s temporary security system. Broad is the gateway to destruction narrow is the pathway to life and only a few will make it, I can’t help to think that just 10 percent of us will make it up in the clouds and the rest including those that thought they were walking in the footsteps to be christian’s are left behind for all tribes and then would be cursing God when disappointed to learn of their fate. So one may wonder what it really takes to be accepted even if you believe in Christ and ask for forgiveness while still walking a little bit on the other side of the fence and not knowing if their actions are still serving the other master. One day I was talking to this confused black male about the shadow government in which he was totally in the dark,after I told him not to take the chip he said he would take it including his kids and then just because I said that he thought I was a Atheist. Is it not our duty in the eyes of God to wake up the lost sheep,there is a scripture in the good book but I don’t remember where it is at. Thank you Tom for taking the time to write your blog to help enlighten me and others and becoming part of the vessel threw Jesus and his father. Look up in the sky this weekend there is suppose to be a solar eclipse and there may be things to see that may be the wonders signs of awe to C.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Robbie, one thing to understand here is that what I’m saying to you is the way I see it. With that said, I truly believe that once you’ve sincerely asked Jesus to come into your life and heart and be your Lord and Savior, you are from that point on SEALED with the promise of the Holy Spirit! HALLELUJAH!!!

            “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” – John 10:28 (KJV)

            “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” – Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV)

            Does that mean that we’ll live the rest of our lives sin free? Yes and no! Yes in the since that any future sin that we EVER commit is covered in the BLOOD and thus null and void! HALLELUJAH!!! Does that give us free reign to sin? As Paul said, “God forbid!” (Rom. 6:15) I sin daily and daily ask for His forgiveness! (I John 1:5-10) As long as we live in this flesh, it will be a daily battle! (Rom. 7:14-25) We’re going to lose some of the battles, but that’s OK, we can get up and dust ourselves off because we already know that Jesus won the war 2000 yrs. ago at Calvary! HALLELUJAH!!!

            Now as far as how long can you go before the Salvation door is CLOSED?! I think that the thief on the cross answers that question. I believe that Heaven is FULL of people who made that decission right before drawin’ their last breath! As long as you ask Him to come into your life and heart before you take that last breath, I believe that the door is still OPEN! Only after you’ve died is it too late! The decission MUST be made in this life!!! The same will apply in the Great Tribulation with the acceptance of the fact that once you take the mark, there’s NO TURNIN’ BACK!!! You’re TOAST!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            thank you tom for the info, you gave me good advice to hold on to, these verses are a good reason for everyone to fear god and trust in him to keep their faith on track, the Lord is pleased

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            SHARE THE LOVE BRO!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I’ve never seen the monument you mention in person but I am familiar enough with it. I have no doubts as to who the architects and builders of that monstrosity were. Yes, I’m aware of this need of these criminals to reduce the population by six and a half billion people and I was made aware of this evil criminal organizations need to reduce the population since I was a young man. It seemed like an incredible thing to accept then but I have no doubts about it now.

            There is no doubt that the majority of the earths population will perish, possibly more than half to two thirds, through the Great Tribulation and it will happen by several different means one of which is through the actions of YHWH. As to how many will make it into the Kingdom of YHWH? I don’t know that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Katrael, I revisited this old post to make a new comment that I wasn’t aware of at the time. Have you heard of the original founder R C Christian that erected the Georgia Guidestones? The Rosencrustions predicted the apocalypse to be man made which should be referred as the high and low frequency weapon the airforce and navy have in possession in Alaska and Greenland known as HAARP in which was not invented until the 1970′s. Some people think R C Christian was in to the cult, others think he was for the benefit of humanity that is trying to warn us of the future destruction of the planet that will be a massive solar flare that will burn part of the planet. But what is the purpose of creating earthquakes when the super coronal mass ejection from the sun will kill billions of people, the power grids should of been built deep underground, but that would take too long to build for large populations, 12-21-2012, I will be surprised if there will be another Christmas. GOOD LUCK to us all, sincerely Robbie Borot

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I’ve heard of the HAARP program and I know that it really exists but the stated purpose for this program centers around communications. I have no idea about the real potential for this technology?

            I know that R C Christian probably wasn’t the man’s real name. The real purpose of the Stones? A warning maybe? What the stones leave out is how these people think the world’s population could be reduced to half a billion people?

            As far as the Apocalypse? It’s just a warning of things to come. Most people confuse the Apocalypse with Armageddon which is really Har Megido or the mountain of Megido. This is really a reference to a valley and not to a mountain. The blood will flow out of there as deep as a horse’s bridle. This event will be man induced but not necessarily man made.

            There will be several events besides the mass coronal ejection that will fry large parts of the earth; there will be an asteroid or comet that will strike the earth at about the same time. The total population, human and non human alike, will be reduced but not to the half billion level.

            Another Christmas? We’ll see won’t we? Luck? I like to think about it as “Laboring Under Correct Knowledge”.

            Are you hoping for these things to happen? In a way I am but I don’t think that in reality we’ll really like what happens when it does. I know that these things must happen and I’m looking for things to change for the better afterwords but what will happen will not be a walk in the park.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            katreal I forgot to mention the asteroid strike I’m guessing the military space defense will use lasers and missiles to deflect the large bodied asteroid that will break up the asteroid in to smaller parts that gravity will eventually rain down the smaller pieces on the planet. I don’t know how many people will perish when this happens if RC Christian is correct in his physic prediction of reduced population,do the math for today’s population,subtract seven billion people minus five hundred million

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, The 6.5 billion people reduction scheme won’t pan out. The total global population reduction will only be about 4 billion in numbers. Most of this will happen because of natural disasters but a fair amount of it will happen because of man made plagues caused by warfare. When will all of this happen? Not for several years yet. There still is much that has to happen that hasn’t. Not everything is yet in place. The preparation for the events set to transpire that are directed by man have not been completed yet. They are busy working overtime on these. Thankfully they won’t be completely fulfilled. I believe you’ll see more Dec. 25ths but not like you’ve experienced them in the past.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Katreal, what other things are you talking about that has not yet come to pass besides famine,drought,plagues,earthquakes,rumors of wars,the two witnesses of the fig tree and global peace ? Would one of them be the final construction tower of Babylon ? As strange as it may be my best guess the America’s new tower of Babylon is going to be the new world trade center in New York that will soon be completed in 2014 around the time obama care will take full effect. As Americans we were taught the wrong thing about what freedom is all about for over a century. The statue of Liberty really represents Lucifer the morning light barrier that has shackle’s on it’s feet. The Washington monument is a mimic of Egypt’s monument that is a masonic pagan and the patriot act is designed to take the people’s freedom away by dismantling the bill of rights. Is anybody out there that can prove me wrong, I welcome opinions to be taken in to account

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I think your list of things at the beginning of your post are enough things that still need to happen. Sure we’ve seen earthquakes but not on the Magnitude to split the Mt. of Olives in two leaving a wide valley between. I’m ready to see all the things that need to happen come to pass and the sooner the better. The only thing is that I don’t think things always happen on a time scale that is pleasing to us. I’m not talking about centuries or even decades here but I feel that the end of this age is still some years off.

            The paganistic garbage that the people and governments engage in has been around since the days of Noah but it will be the end of this countries greatness. This nation is sinking deeper into it every day. You are only aware of the tip of the iceberg about the pagan things people engage in. Even the days of the weeks and months of the years are named after pagan deities. Even the word God is a variation of the name of a pagan deity that was worshiped back in Jacob’s day and it’s name was Gath the mighty one of fortune. Hmm, no wonder people worship him…could doing so bring good fortune? I’m not criticizing anyone and I believe in our creator and his son but he has a name and God/Lord isn’t it.

            I think the chip you’re talking about is going to be used extensively and eventually everything will be tied into a system that is linked to it and if you don’t have it then you won’t be able to buy or sell anything…that is not in whatever currency we end up with. The barter system has always existed and will always exist but there will come a day when we will be forced to accept the system or be put to death(population control).

            I can see some on this site grinning and getting ready to party at the thought of a one world government… people like truesoy, deerinwater, jeff and others. Makes you wonder what they’re doning on this site?

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Katreal what did you say about earthquakes have been around that long … oh ya think Did you really think I didn’t know that. I know there have been earthquakes for centuries and then some.The earthquake I was talking about is the final big one that will shake the whole planet as it is written there will be no stone unturned. How do you really know what I may already know concerning the tip of the ice burg about pagan Gods. Your God is refereed to as several different names and yes Gath is one of them and if I was you I would be cautious to refer Lord as not being your creator as it is the same to deny him even thou you have the right intensions on who you may think he is, I was hoping you would tell me something I didn’t know

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, if I didn’t ask you before then I will now: please don’t take offense as I don’t believe you are stupid and I only wish to inform. Here is what YHWH says his name is:

            Exo 3:15 And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name(YHWH) for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. KJV names and titles restored by me

            Here it is in Hebrew if you can read it:

            Exo 3:15 ויאמר עוד אלהים אל־משׁה כה־תאמר אל־בני ישׂראל יהוה אלהי אבתיכם אלהי אברהם אלהי יצחק ואלהי יעקב שׁלחני אליכם זה־שׁמי לעלם וזה זכרי לדר דר׃

            Here’s what YHWH says about using his name:

            Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of יהוה thy Elohim in vain; for יהוה will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. KJV names and titles restored

            Here it is in Hebrew:

            Exo 20:7 לא תשׂא את־שׁם־יהוה אלהיך לשׁוא כי לא ינקה יהוה את אשׁר־ישׂא את־שׁמו לשׁוא׃

            I did this to show you that the original Hebrew says nothing about lord or god being his title or name. He was known by other titles but he chose this, יהוה, to be his name and a memorial forever.

            I’m sorry to remind you if you know this as I’m only trying to inform and not insult. Now, our creator really doesn’t want to be called by anything else and he doesn’t want his real name destroyed or brought to nothing. Thank you for your patience.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Katreal, is the word Lord not in the Bible and do you think Elohim will be offended if people refer him as their Lord ? That is interesting point you made I will have to check into that. Sometimes a person can easily mislead themselves when reading the Bible, and I’m impressed on how you typed in the Hebrew text, I wish I was smart enough to understand the writing, could you tell me what it says in English writing. I want to thank you for your effort and sorry about the rant.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, thank you and you don’t need to apologize for your sincerity but I appreciate your gesture. Yes the word lord is in the bible and I understand how you feel about calling him Lord or saying that he is lord but I wouldn’t pray to “the lord” anymore myself and I will explain a little later. Which is more relevant, the translation of an original or the original? I ask this because there have been several areas in the bible translations that were bad translations which in my opinion were deliberate. Again I’m only asking this question and don’t want to offend you but do you know the difference between translating and transliteration? Names are never translated, unless you need to know what they mean, they are supposed to be transliterated. In other words if your name is Robbie Borot in English or any other language then it is spelled in the other language using letters that best creates the same sounds for your name. Here is how your name would look in Hebrew but it would sound much the same as it does in English: רבי ברת. Now, how would you know someone was calling you if you heard your name as Reginald Bertrum? You wouldn’t would you? So names need to sound the same in every language. Why was the name that YHWH said was his name forever changed from YHWH to “the Lord” which is a reference to the god Baal? YHWH says that we will one day no longer call him by this name. Anyway, if you feel the Bible translations are more relevant than the original then this whole spiel of mine is for nothing and I apologize if this vexes you. I would, however, be cautious of insulting our creator by calling him by a name he feels is offensive. After all he did make one commandment that was specific about this subject. Thankfully He winks at ignorance and I’m sure glad he winked at mine.

            Look, I was raised Catholic, became born again, was confronted by someone years ago about this subject and then I did like many do and I put it on the back burner and paid it no further attention. Then I don’t know for sure what happened to change my mind but I became convinced that I should call my creator by the name he chose. So I present this to people with the understanding that they have to have time to integrate it into their belief system. It took me over a decade to do it myself. I’m more than convinced that this matter is very important. Thank you for your patience.

            Refer to the verses I quoted for the English translation of the Hebrew writing that you see, which is from the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament. The Jews refer to Hebrew Old Testament as the Tanak. It has not changed in over 2400 years as it has been copied faithfully letter for letter over the millennia and the ones I posted are the Hebrew versions of the English scripture I quoted. The only word I have a problem with is the word vain as it doesn’t accurately convey the message anymore. A better translation for the word vain would be “to destroy or to bring to nothing”. What a better way to destroy his name than by changing it to something else? Here is Strong’s definition, which I believe that Brown Driver Briggs concurs with:

            H7723
            שׁו שׁואo
            shâv’ shav
            shawv, shav
            From the same as H7722 in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjectively), uselessness (as deceptive, objectively; also adverbially in vain): – false (-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity.

            Here’s the same verse as before except with the Strong’s reference numbers after each word so you can see that I picked on the correct word and you can even go to Strong’s yourself to see if I did this correctly:

            Exo 20:7 Thou shalt notH3808 takeH5375 (H853) the nameH8034 of יהוה H3068 thy Elohim H430 in vain;H7723 forH3588 יהוה H3068 will notH3808 hold him guiltlessH5352 (H853) thatH834 takethH5375 (H853) his nameH8034 in vain.H7723

            H3068
            יהוה
            yehôvâh
            yeh-ho-vaw’
            From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: – Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

            Strong’s is partly correct about the name of YHWH but not completely. It is not the Jewish national name of God rather it’s the name he gave to all Israel and mankind.

            Sorry about the length of this post

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I didn’t want this next point of mine to get lost in that long post that I made before this one. I only want you to know that you are smart enough to know how to read Hebrew you probably don’t feel the need right now. You don’t have to be able to read it but you only need to be willing to examine the evidence as presented and if your heart is toward YHWH (the Lord) then you will understand. Let the Ruach haQodesh (Holy Spirit) lead you so that you don’t get led astray. After all, you don’t know me or understand my agenda and I could be trying to lead you astray. I’m not though. Another warning, if you feel the need to consult someone then they will try to convince you I’m leading you astray. They may try to “fix” you. I’ve had this happen before and it’s happened to me. It slows us down. There are several sources of knowledge and I’ve mentioned two of them Strong’s and Brown Driver Briggs. There is also Young’s but I don’t use that source. Strong’s is convenient to both Strong’s and BDB. It makes it a little easier.

            I bring this next point up not to brag as actually it’s taken me far too long to learn and I’m sure the vast majority of people are far more capable of learning faster than I do. I studied Scriptural Hebrew for two years under a man who was fluent with it. I’ve studied for a few years since then on my own. He had to return to Canada and that’s what separated us. I can fluently read Hebrew but I can’t fluently translate it yet. I know the phonetics better as I learned this first. I went to this trouble because I needed to know the truth about what people were telling me. Too many contradictions with what I was raised knowing. I’ve been studying the Scriptures for 42 years and I’m only beginning to learn. Be Well and Prosper.

          • Cardinal1

            Robbie: Even those who are guilty of a minor or certain felonies deserve to have their record expunged…so they may go on with their life after prison, jail or any other punishemt meated out by the courts for a crime. Of course in some cases this should ot happen especially if it involved violence toward children, rape, murder…and even then it has to be an individual determanition.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Card, I thought I made it clear in the other post ” forgive not or you will not be forgived ‘ as stated in the bible, of course I agree, no one should be condemned for them to not find work and shelter, people that are felons go to the unemployment office to register with the rio program that only accepts felons to find employment, I guess this is why felons reside long term at cheap motels and people with minor offenses and felons should have their record expunged depending on how many times they repeat their offense along with the severity of their crimes,you know like strike 3 your out law

          • Cardinal1

            Robbie: Sorry I missintrepreted your comment…or the intent of your comment. When you mentioned that those condemed wrongly should have their “crime” expunged I thoought that you meant only those wrongly imprisoned. Most everyone should have their 1st offense expunged unless it is a severe and violent crime. And even under those situations it may be necesssary to determine if the person is really a serious threat to society. When dealing with manslaughter, rape, abuse, and sexual abuse…people sometimes have no way to defend themselves…not when people lie, or the victim lies, or if some one jumps to the conclusions based on twisting comments out of context and order. Just about any one can be made to look guilty iin some situations and some defending attorneys and judges don’t correctly apply and damn common sense in defence or how a trial is run. There are situations which led up to a crime or and explainations that don’t get heard. What is the whole story. To me why is as important as important as yes or no…and certainly as important as who, when, how, and with what. The why is the grey zone…and we need to know that too.

            OK what do we do with someone who is possessed by drugs when a hieneous crime is committed like the one of the Florida Causeway Cannabal? The crime was so out of the scope of most crimes committed it is very easy to emotionally react and to say just lock him up for life or execute him. 1) he has a drug problem…he might be a great guy when not doing drugs. He might not! He has some serious problem because of his addiction or he has an addiction due to some serious problem. All of this should be determined during court. Is there any hope at all for him to change? Should he ever be released from prison? And if he is released should this one crime be expunged after say 1- years? What if he proves when he is in prison to have developed to such a degree that he becomes a benefit to others willing to reach out and help others? What then? …..just some thoughts…
            Card1

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            card 1 I did mean people that were wrongly convicted should have their record expunged or at least get a apology from the court,and don’t you know there are a lot of innocent victims of blind justice imprisoned and sometimes it seems that the guilty ones are not charged with their crimes, it’s like helping someone and getting punished for it. I don’t trust most lawyers and doctors and in this generation sometimes if a person that you don’t know treats you with respect or offers to help to show their concern it is a shock, but what most people don’t know yet will be when they are imprisoned without a trial just because they believe in freedom and the bill of rights, thanks to Obama signing the defense autherization act and I’m not just talking about terrorist,this fits in the same category with Bush signing the Patriot act, Bush and Obama are two of the same kind and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is true about what was said about Bush and Obama are secretly related, The media investigated and had proved Obama’s birth certificate was computer generated in which was not authenic but the media sometimes gets in trouble for prolonging the issue

          • Cardinal1

            Agree.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            As a Born Again Christian, there are only TWO types of humans period. SAVED or lost!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            For sure there are only two groups of people: saved and lost but there sure is a vast difference in their perspectives. Praise YHWH.

          • CardinalMo

            I have learned that a lot of the American Indians do not compliment people for god given things, like looks, talents, but respect and compliment hard work to achieve a goal. My grandparents did not believe in bragging about their children or grandchildren. I think different cultures have ways of dealing with speaking about others and most cultures at some point do not respect those who are petty, complaining, and gossiping about others. I personally know quite a few people who do not use labels, or harbour feeling of prejudice. Many times good things may be said about a person without telling the person directly.

            The way I see it…sometimes people do need to hear some good things about themselves…but not so much so that a person feels elevated above others…or that they believe they have no flaws. I believe if a person has some problem they are dealing with perhaps they need to know how others see them…but it can be done privately, out of kindness, and caring. Too often people are rebuked in front of other people. It can be embarrassing to receive either a compliment or criticism in front of an audience of even one other person.

            It sounds like a good policy to me to not speak good or ill of another person, especially to others. We might speak good of another person without really deeply knowing them. When we speak for another person we had better know them pretty well. And, let’s face it really know someone well when in fact we are not friends but merely good associates. Even our spouses, parents, and children can surprise us! If we are to truly be honourable in all our dealings perhaps silence is best.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael, You asked, How do we go about bridging the inequity we forced the Black and Native Americans into. Unfortunately, we cannot erase the past. It is going to take a very long time build the bridge which will cross over the inequities. It takes a good 100 years or more to reach the majority of people from the time an idea seeded. Perhaps in 2065 the situation for Blacks and American Indians will be much different than what we see now. That is provided we do not move backward. It is very damaging to any group of people who have had their cultural practices violently removed from them. When people are uprooted, separated from family and community, slaughtered, deprived of land upon which to grow food, or hunt….it all takes its toll upon the population.

            It has happened all over the globe at one time or other. In many cases the fighting to resolve the issues continue to this day… as in the Middle East. Think about Europe, The British Isles Particularly…at one time they were much like the Native American…worshipped nature, lived off the lands, until they were invaded by the Norse, Saxons, the Romans, and finally the Catholic Church. The Isles systems, beliefs, ways of living and community were eventually destroyed. Their cultures and control of the islands was usurped from them. We of course don’t know all the details of this, because it all happened so long go and so many other histories are mingled in over a long period.

            I believe the best way to build the bridges to equalizing people is to just play fare, give respect to everyone, help anyone who needs help…it doesn’t have to be money..helping can be as simple as honestly listening, honestly caring, developing our circles of friends and acquaintances, and advocating for those who are less fortunate than ourselves.

            I had a history teacher who one time stated that Elvis did more to change racism than any politician ever could have. Elvis welcomed Blacks into his band as equal performers..he gave them respect on stage and showed the world what integration, acceptance and equality really means. He showed the world by his actions without ever addressing the issues with words. In this case it was the spirit of God moving through the energy of the music which helped to lay the corner stones to the bridge.

          • dawgbisquit1

            Great question Katrael and an excellent response CM! I pray y’all don’t mind my two cents here. First of all Katrael, it wasn’t our system that imposed these atrosities on our brothers, it was us! It was the white man who percieved it was HIM who was created in God’s image, and thus all other humans were just animals. Come on now everybody be honest, how many times did you hear that about blacks as a child growin’ up from some of the people you loved the most?! How many of ya readin’ this post still feel that way today?!! In the words of, in my humble opinion of course, one of the greatest men who EVER lived, “We hold these TRUTHS to be self-evident…”, you see Katrael, this is the BEAUTY of the American Dream!!! That WE are ALL created Equal by our CREATOR, all thus these basic HUMAN rights are UNDENIABLE!!! The FIRST nation on this earth to ever be founded on this SACRED principle! You see Katrael, it wasn’t OUR system that imposed these atrosities on our brother human beings, it was US in DIRECT VIOLATION of those SACRED principles!!! No certain group should require special laws to protect their rights under our system, seein’s that our laws are to be meted out with EQUITY and with-out PREJUDICE!!! Both points that I agree need to be sorely worked on and done a better with! We’re STILL a work in progress (I REALLY couldn’t think of another word, PLEASE FORGIVE ME!) Katrael!!!
            CM, what an excellent post!!! I truly mean that and I know that you told me one time that I didn’t know nothing about your faith, but from reading your post, I can tell you this. Your perception of the way things should go, goes right in line pretty much with Christ’s TWO commandments. The first I believe WE all need to work on as a nation. But the second, to love thy neighbor as thyself, if EVERYONE obeyed this ONE single command, WHAT A DIFFERENT WORLD IT WOULD BE!!! Your former history teacher made a good point but I think missed out on a better point. The POWER of music!!! Elvis didn’t cross the barrier to the blacks, the R&B sounds of the Mississippi River Delta SMASHED DOWN the barriers to Elvis and several other young white pop artists and started a REVOLUTION!!! At the heart of this revolution is a BEAUTIFUL thing, that we are all equal and thus should get along. But there’s a DEEPER DARKER side of that ideolgy that we are all animals and should live without boundies, you know that ULTIMATE selfishness that puts YOU in the center of your own little universe, whatever feels good, do it! If it bothers you, than that’s your problem!!! SIN, whenever you take the SPIRITUAL and turn it into the SENSUAL, you PROSTITUTE it!!! Elvis’ life is the PERFECT example of the American Nightmare!!! CM, have you ever concidered the strides made by Michael Jackson in the entertainment industry?! He went from being a poor, happy, talented, beautiful, little black boy into a rich, depressed, used up, ugly, old white woman and Sister, that’s coverin’ some ground!!! I leave you with Elvis’ very first #1 SMASH HIT and a little advise, keep your eyes on the skies, JESUS IS COMIN’, He LOVES y’all and so do I!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEeqAgbCMwg&feature=related

            And I throw this one in as a little something extra, ENJOY!!! Of course Obummer had to get his big mug in here! But you can HEAR the MISSISSIPPI DELTA WATER just drippin’ out of ths one! PRAISE BE HALLELUJAH!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=j6qDv5e0FV0&NR=1

          • CardinalMo

            To dawgbisquit: Life is so full of so many nuances. I guess this is why people write books, music, and become artists and bloggers. You are so right about Elvis and Michael Jackson. Really they both crossed the bridge of prejudice and opened the the dam which was holding humanity back from oness. It is quite unfortunate that all of the entertainers have had to use sexuality and the “bad boy” bad girl” image to sell their wonderful talents. I can understand how this form of prostitution could damage their spirits eventually. And add all of that to fatigue, harrassment from the media, and the public…and one begins to have a human melt down. They lose the core of who they were when they began. It can happen even on a mundane job. But, the average worker can easily change jobs.

            I do not consider myself to be a “Christian”…however, I greatly respect the messages of Jesus. His message was based on love…unconditional love. I also find the fundamentals of Buddhism to be of great value in supporting unconditional love through compassion and the idea that we are here to assist each other by decreasing the suffering of others, we all suffer. I’ve sort of created my own spiritual expression.

            I began to question Christianity at the age of about 4. I could see that my church was all white and something told me that something was not quite right with the people. My feelings had nothing to do with color. They appeared nice and I liked many people, but there was something in them I didn’t understand. My father was Spanish and French from Puerto Rico…My mother was English, Irish, and French from the Midwestern town we lived in. I remember while still 5 or younger thinking, as I pasted the little children of the world, on a picture of Jesus, that if Jesus loved all the children of the world, why didn’t the people who said they loved Jesus love all of the little children of the world?” How I knew this I have no clue! This question I had was totally beyond my life experiences and my understanding.

            One day as an adult this memory came to my mind and I reflected…the not quite right feeling was that I instinctivilly, at age 5 or younger, recognized that many of the church people were condiscending toward my parents and it made me uncomfortable. I can’t help that when I’m in church I feel that a lot of the so called love in church is not carried over to their real lives ourside of church. It seems to me Christianity is about only a selfish relationship with Jesus and that hateful words and actions mean nothing, because if we merely just believe in Jesus, we get a free pass to heaven. Certainly, we all make mistakes and sometimes grossly exhibit miss judgement…and it is great to be forgiven for this by other people and Jesus, if we are seriously sorry. But, too ofter the behaviours do not cease…which they will if a person is sorry to their core or spirit really bothered by their errors…great or small. On the other hand we cannot judge what a person feels deep down…but, the sign of not changing ones behaviour is kind of a clue. Jesus did give us guide lines to live by so I assume that he wanted us to love God, and to accept forgivness, and to consider our actions and interactions with others. To me a lot of Christians seem to be about competition in knowing scriptures, and to praise Jesus without really expressing the full meaning of love let alone understanding it. I found Buddahism to be more specific on how we treat each other. I found the American Indians respect for Mother Earth to fit in very well with both Love, serving others, and caring for Gods gift of the Earth to us.

            Well I need to get my day going.
            Later.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            To respond to your post CM, it is a shame that the actions of certain Christians drives people away from Christ! The only way I know how to answer that is by saying the Church isn’t perfect, that’s EXACTLY why we NEED Christ! And to quote Romans 8:28, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” (KJV) When I first got saved and was on one of my first witnessin’ excursions, we were witnessin’ to this group of homeless men, when one of them asked me if I knew who built the church? At this point, gettin’ used to some of the ridiculin’ and criticism, I asked, “Who built the church Buddy?”, as I stood there bracin’ myself for what I thought was going to be some kinda stupit punch line, what he said absolutely FLOORED me!!! “Satan!” he replied. “Satan?!! How’d you ever arrive at that assumption!!” I scoffed. “To keep God’s Word on the inside!”
            As far as Christians being in compitition with each other, WE ARE! God’s Holy WORD commands us to study to show ourselves approved! (II Tim. 2:15) It is impossible to simply read the Bible, it commands you to STUDY it, to memorize it, to ABSORB it!!! Let’s face it, if it is what it claims to be, God’s Holy Word, WHAT I pray could be MORE important!!! Did you know that back in colonial days, Bible memorization was a part of a child’s school work. As far as doin’ GOOD in the name of Christ, it’s like I told my pastor (We do a homeless outreach that recieves national attention!), when you reach out to the untouchable in our society, there is NO greater Christian witness! NONE!!!
            Now I’m not tryin’ to push my beliefs down your throat CM, I just want to make sure that you understand me, Jesus says that He is the ONLY way! THE ONLY WAY!!! (John 14:6) If you refuse to BELIEVE, you are bound for a sinner’s hell!!! (Mark 16:16) A place where the Bable says that the fire is NEVER quenched and the worm dieth NOT!!! (Mark 9:48) This Budda, don’t they still carry around some of his toenail clippin’s in a jar or something?!! A guy told me one time that the most important decission you’ll ever make, is the decission you make about that empty tomb in Jerusalem!!! I’m prayin’ for you CM! May God BLESS your understanding!!!

            The earth isn’t my mother, but the ONE who made it, is my FATHER!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            dawgbisquit1, my question was posed just for this reason, there is no way to bridge a gap between yesterday and today and I agree with you that the idea that everybody is endowed with all of the same inalienable YHWH given rights makes us equal in that respect. I should do the correct thing for my fellow man without the need to be coerced into it.

            I don’t really feel that everybody loves themselves and that is why so many treat others poorly. I don’t think we should confuse a love of power or lust as the same thing as properly loving oneself. If we truly loved ourselves and the gift of life we were given then we’d do the correct things for ourselves including eating the right diet and we’d do the correct things for the people around us. You can’t love YHWH and treat yourself and others poorly.

          • dawgbisquit1

            I truly believe that the ONLY way that you can LOVE yourself is to come to the understanding that it was God who made you the way that you are for a specific purpose that we’ll only understand in the Great Bye and Bye!!! Once you realize that and accept that fact and quit judging yourself by the illusion put out by the media and advertisers (Lying signs and wonders!), THEN and ONLY then are you capable of loving God and others with the “aggape” love spoken of in God’s Holy Word! By the way, I wasn’t trying to be incognito, I was having a glitch with my Gravitar account! LOL!!! I guess you can tell that I’m a dog person!

          • CardinalMo

            dawbisquit1 Dogs are great pets..I had a dog once that I trained to roll over, play dead, sit up, lay down, and “dance” …and she was an escape artist! She loved running around the neighborhood visiting with other dogs. I used to get so angry with her…but, if I were a dog I’d want a few hours to visit with others too. Pet can be so much like us it is amazing.

            I certainly learned from persons with mental disabilities, Infants, and dogs…that we don’t have to use language per say to have our needs, and wants fufilled all the time. Expressions, body language, tone all come into play as a part of communication. So…in a sense they certainly intellegent enough to communicate.

            You are correct about people loving themselves to love God and others. Sometimes however people have to be loved before they can learn to love themselves. Don’t you think that is so? That is all the more reason to love your enemies, or to show kindness and fairness to others at all times. And you know as well as I that a lot of people who claim to love God still can’t love others in the way that Jesus directed us to learn to love.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Cardnal Mo, … I agree about pets such as dogs are similar to humans, puppies are like children they can get jealous and selfish when other animals get more attention,and can have seizures like humans but this is just a thought when one can see how similar a dog and God can possibly be in conjunction with each other. They both have the capability to love and forgive others when the animal is abused or neglected you can notice how the dog is so forgiving and still loves the person that scolded the dog, not that I’m trying to compare God as a dog but when you spell dog backwards you have the word God, so do U think maybe the word spelled backwards has some type of connection or meaning ?

          • CardinalMo

            Robbie, I would want to do a little research on that one. Like what language root is God…what language root is dog? But.who knows…maybe someone somewhere at one time worshiped a dog… Then another way to think of it could be both are seen as protectors of humanity. God has done a lot of work for us and Dogs do a lot for us.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            You were so right about your dog loving you even at your most unlovableness! Do you know what the difference between a cat and dog is Robbie? If you were to wake up tomorrom and find that you had been miraculously reduced to two inches in stature, your dog would still be your best friend, your cat would kill ya! LOL!!! I leave you with a little country wisdom from one of my home state hero’s C&W legend, the Kentucky Story Teller, Tom T. Hall;

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45u0kdUgFgo&feature=related

            Robbie, I want to thank you so much!!! In sending this post I discovered this video which I had never seen before! It brought a tear to my eye!!! How do you define “reverence”?! Look at the faces on the crowd as they are blessed by Tom T.!!! What a CLASS act!

            And speakin’ of great philosophies; “Work like ya don’t need the money, love like ya never been hurt, and dance like nobody’s watchin’!” – Satchel Paige, Old Negro and Major League Hall of Fame pitcher. Satchel wasn’t known for his eloquence on the mound, he was known for his tenaciousness!!! Strikin’ out major leauge hitters well into his late 50′s! Sounds like he needed the money! LOL!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I often wondered about a connection to the word god and dog? I do know where the word god comes from. It has a connection to the Hebrew word that is pronounced Gad. Gad was one of the tribes of Israel named after Gad the god of fortune. This is one of the reasons that Laban chased after Jacob because Rachel stole the idol of Gad and took it with her when Jacob left the employ of Laban.

          • CardinalMo

            Wow! That is quite interesting Katrael. I’ve never heard or read that story. Where in the bible is it?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Yeah Katrael, where in the Bible is that?!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I know that you know you won’t find and real information about the name Gad in the Bible, Strong’s or Brown Driver Briggs but you can do some research on the subject and find the answer to where this name came from. I know that you are familiar with the term Adonni, Elohim (the word translated from Hebrew into the word God) and that the words “the Lord” were translated from the Hebrew word, pronounced by some to be Jehovah which is not too bad a transliteration if you understand that letter J carried a Y sound and still does in some countries.

            H3068
            יהוה
            yehôvâh
            yeh-ho-vaw’
            From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: – Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

            This is what YHWH says about his name:

            Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, יהוה (The LORD)H3068
            God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

            Exo_20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of יהוה H3068
            thy Elohim (God) in vain; for יהוה H3068
            will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain (bring to nothing, worthless, destruction).

            Exo_23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

            Here’s a link to some information about the Name Gad: http://bibleanswerstand.org/God_2.htm

            This process of changing the name of our creator from the name he chose to a different one that may be a reference to a pagan deity was done almost seven thousand times in the OT. Now, this may not be important to most people but it looked like it was to YHWH (Yehowah) as he made a commandment about it. I’m not going to make a bigger issue out of this here but the door opened for me to say something about it. It took me almost 20 years before I understood what had happened and that I needed to change. I’m very slow on the uptake.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Gen 30:8 And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali.
            Gen 30:9 When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife.
            Gen 30:10 And Zilpah Leah’s maid bare Jacob a son.
            Gen 30:11 And Leah said, A troop cometh: and she called his name Gad.
            All of this went on as these women were competing with each other for favored status with Jacob.

            CardinalMo, this above is the first reference to the Name Gad.

            Gen_31:19 And Laban went to shear his sheep: and Rachel had stolen the images that were her father’s.
            Gen_31:32 With whomsoever thou findest thy gods, let him not live: before our brethren discern thou what is thine with me, and take it to thee. For Jacob knew not that Rachel had stolen them.
            Gen_31:33 And Laban went into Jacob’s tent, and into Leah’s tent, and into the two maidservants’ tents; but he found them not. Then went he out of Leah’s tent, and entered into Rachel’s tent.
            Gen_31:34 Now Rachel had taken the images, and put them in the camel’s furniture, and sat upon them. And Laban searched all the tent, but found them not.

            Strong’s Concordance defines the Name Gad as:

            H1410
            גּד
            gâd
            gawd
            From H1464; Gad, a son of Jacob, including his tribe and its territory; also a prophet: – Gad.

            Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon merely states that heathen, “cut oneself, as religious practice I K18:23; practised also by men of Shechem, etc. in worship of (late) Je 41:5; for the dead…” Not enough detail to ascertain anything of significance. We have to turn to secular sources for more information about this name.

            Here’s a link that you may go to that will give you more information: http://bibleanswerstand.org/God_2.htm

            There are other sources such as Fossilized Customs by Lew White but, it’s a tough thing to find information about if you don’t know where to look. This should give you a beginning if you care to do more research.

          • CardinalMo

            Thank you again Katrael! I will look up the Gen. chapters you referred to. I will also check out the link. To me it always seemed that the first testement was mostly a story of the generations of the Jewish families. And knowing what I do about how people stretch the truth, make up stories, and twist what others say…I’ve not put a lot of credability in the bible.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, people are raised hearing stories they are told come out of the bible but were only oral stories and that are now written stories passed down through the generations that people believe in. There are several things the bible doesn’t say that people claim it does and I’ll refrain here from enumerating them. Even the very first line in the bible is a bad translation and most people don’t know this as they don’t read Hebrew and even if they do they are raised with the bias that the Hebrew says something that it doesn’t. It’s hard to go against cultural programming.

            I know that you don’t mean anything derogatory by saying the stories are about Jewish families but the Bible is about many families, most notably the families that came from Jacob who later was renamed by YHWH to Israel. The Jews were only one of the 12 tribes of Israel’s family.

            I don’t blame you for feeling about the bible as you do. There are too many contradictions between what you will read in the Bible and what you’ve been told all of your life. Too confusing. I’m sure that even Tom W. might agree that taken on the whole the Bible is very consistent. It is a book that is worthy to be used for instruction and guidance as many of the laws, most notably the laws to love YHWY with all of your might and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself, help to bring life and stability to our society.

          • CardinalMo

            I really respect your knowledge of the Blble. I have read the bible…perhaps not as intensly as you. My parents certainy loved God but they did not even consider the first testiment as applicable to our lives and most of the churches don’t even discuss the first testiment. I have read it and some parts of this book are horrific. If we were to follow the God and social rules of that time we would have a horrible existence.

            My goodness…the one story told how the father let in strangers and sent his own daughters out in their place to be ravaged through the night. That story up set me so greatly it was so violent that I actually felt violated… kind of like watching a very violent movie. I saw a movie once which was so violent beyond my acceptence level that I am very careful about the movies I watch. I’m sure you know what I mean.

            I sort of rejected God’s testing of Isaiah’s father. How on earth a loving, forgiving God have the heart to tempt him to kill is beloved son? I certainly wouldn’t do that to either one of my children…just for them to prove they love me.

            And what about poor Job? That test off sacrificing Job to the whims of Satan…to show Satan that Job loved God. Is the reason so many people have such horrific events happen in their lives? Does that mean that the sturdest of believers are allowed to suffer the most? One would think that God with all of his Angels would constantly appear to help these poor people. God would use his almighty power to protect them from Satan’s
            attacks. Does he? It doesn’t appear to be to case. So, I wonder if as in the Greek and Roman religions ….where the gods are always fighting for and against human individuals…if this is not a carry over from those ancient religions. The story of Job just seems too far reaching. Where does God draw the lines in peoples lives? Or are we just pawns in a mighty war with Satan? If God is a personal God he is certainly seen as a protector, if we are believers. And yet the lives of even great loving believers are tormented by human events beyond their personal control.

            It doesn’t make sense to me that someone who supposedly believes God…Jesus…would actually be chosen to go to heaven over someone who tried to reflect God and the good in God to humanity, even if they did not believe in the bible, or Jesus.

            It seems to me that the stories and some of what has been taught is to frighten people into belief and understanding something more esoteric which they cannot our could not comoprehend. In fact to me a lot of the Worlds religions seem that way to me. The grain or the goal of the great religious books is as I’ve said before and you agree is about how we should take care of humanity.

            It’s like…50 yeaars ago people would not have understood some of the thoughts of physics of today. I find it quite interesting that our science is begining to prove the oneness of all things….This is a concept which is very difficult for people to grasp…even now. Here I reflect on Pweiters9 opinion that environmentalists are socialists/communists
            and appears to see no reason why we should be protecting our environment or making sacrifices in our material wants to save the planet for future generations. My point in using this example is to point out the fact that people of today do understand what is right in their face. It is the leaders in our communities who teach people…(not necessairly the local or governemnt leaders) but, the natural leaders who teach individuals where ever the go, The subtle voices which act and speak up for the good of humanity. These types of people make waves and probably have a lot of people who don’t like them….a lot like Jesus did.

            We do have to be careful. The American Indians also believed that a certain White man with a beard would return to them…and they mistook the Conquestadores for this white man who promised to return. The whole continent of North and South America fell into foreign and not well meaning hands.

            The bottom line is just what you said, Love God, and Love you fellow mankind.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I can’t make you feel comfortable about the Bible if your memory won’t allow you to feel better about it. For sure many of the stories in the Old Testament are horrific but these stories speak to how man treats his fellow man and how YHWH responds to how mankind behaves. If I’m not mistaken the story you referred to is about Lot and the city of Sodom where he went to live. Lot was considered to be a righteous man. YHWH had seen how desperately wicked the city had become and there was no redeeming the people from there. YHWH will not punish anyone unless he had given them a chance first to behave. Though this story doesn’t reflect that fact I’m sure that at one point they were warned. The angels, messengers, were sent to remove Lot and his family from Sodom and when the men of the city saw the messengers they wanted to have sexual relations with them. This is where we get the word Sodomy from. Anyway, Lot understood who these messengers were and tried to reason with the men of the city that they didn’t want to mess with these individuals and in an act of desperation he offered his two virgin daughters but the men of Sodom refused his offer and tried to force their way into Lot’s house to take the men and do what they wanted. The messengers of YHWH struck them blind and led Lot and his family out of the city. You remember that Lot’s wife was turned into a pillar of salt (ashes were often used for salt) for watching the city as it was destroyed (possibly some kind of nuclear explosion?) On one level, the one that doesn’t believe in a life for us after our death, the city was destroyed so that the contagion of evil wouldn’t spread. On the level that believes in a life after death, this story is a lesson about choices.

            Why would a loving god do such things? How do you learn? is it by your successes only? If we are to be granted the same power that YHWH and His Son have then he has to know that we understand the difference between good and evil and what each brings into our lives. We have to be able to say, “I want to live the good life.” before he grants us access to that power.

            I know you didn’t ask for this diatribe of mine and I’ll try to finish with this: Why would YHWH place the first two beings he made into a garden of pleasure and delight and put a tree that would impart eternal life and also a tree that would bring temptation and a physical death? If YHWH was all knowing then surely he knew which tree they would choose from? He did know and that was his plan. He had a plan to redeem mankind from the final consequences of his bad choices but not until mankind had enough experience with evil and also good so that mankind could make a final informed choice. We have a thousand years of good coming without the influence of evil so that we can say which it is that we want. There are certain penalties for breaking the law both in man’s world and YHWH’s. The penalty for breaking YHWH’s law is death but he put his Son into a position to pay that penalty for us. There are steps we have to take to become worthy of YHWH’s Son’s willingness to put his own physical life on the line. Remember, Yahoshua was YHWH’s Son but he was a man that felt all of the same emotions and feelings, such as pain, so his physical death was no casual walk in the garden of pleasure and delight.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, where does god draw the line about letting people suffer? That’s a very good question and I don’t know if I’ll be able to give a satisfactory answer? My last post was about making choices and how mankind mistreats his fellow man.

            I believe that you said you have children? Is it possible for us or even desirable that we should always interfere with our children’s choices? What will they learn if they aren’t allowed to learn. We give them good information and pray that they’ll heed what they’ve learned but if they don’t then we have a choice to make. We can always bail them out of trouble but then they’ll always be getting into trouble because they know we’ll step in and come to the rescue. They learned that we are patsies to be used. So there comes a point where we throw up our hands and let them learn and the sooner they learn these hard lessons the better because they can only get into a little trouble when they are little. We don’t want to wait until they can make the biggest mistakes that may cost them their lives.

            What about the innocent ones that suffer at the hands of evil? They learn what evil is, what it looks like and what it does. This all seems like a waste to those who don’t believe in a life for us after death but there is life after death and it may mean that those who survive will see and learn be able to teach others about what evil is. Does the Holocaust ring a bell? As for people like myself that believes in an everlasting life then I know these innocent people have a great reward coming to them for their suffering. YHWH doesn’t pour out his wrath on innocent people and it’s man’s tyranny that brings the most suffering to this world. Perhaps you don’t believe that we can live an everlasting life? I believe that was possible for this to be true for us in this body before it was given term limits; all we had to do was to have access to the tree of life that could keep the DNA from deteriorating so our cells could go on reproducing accurately forever. Impossible? No.

            About frightening people into behaving? Do we warn our children that if they play with fire that they could be seriously injured or killed? Then the warnings to us to behave serve the same purpose. And you’re right sometimes we don’t comprehend these warnings until we engage in the activity and suffer the consequences of our choice.

            Is it necessary to understand how everything in your car works or just the basics so that you can drive it? Life is this way also. There are over five thousand enzymes that work in the body in conjunction with the vitamins and minerals to make us live. Do you or I have to understand all of that or do we only have to know what a good diet entails? So it is with matters about moral behavior. We an learn that engaging in certain activities leads to trouble and many of us experience this. It’s only those who are blind and want to do whatever comes into their mind that won’t learn until they’ve experienced the consequences of their behavior. Aids was brought into this country by one homosexual drug abusing man. We know this and it is documented by the CDC. Now I’m against homosexual behavior but there wouldn’t have been a problem because of this man if he had kept a monogamous drug free relationship but this man was infected and went around enjoying a promiscuous lifestyle. Can’t we see and learn from his example without duplicating this our selves? Don’t we have a warning not to engage in this behavior?

            The love of God as you put it is to behave as he asks us and the love of our neighbor is to do the correct things with him.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, the legend of the bearded man possibly can be explained by the wanderings of the Hebrew people through out this globe almost three thousand years ago. They have found paleo Hebrew relics in different places throughout this continent. A good book to read on this subject is: “The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Found!” by Steven M Collins. I enjoyed it and there is a lot of documentation to support his contentions. There even are articles in the National Geographic about this subject. One article talks about Saint Brendan who sailed the Atlantic about seven hundred years( I don’t remember the time frame for sure but I shared this article with my son) before Columbus did and he was searching for the “Land Preserved for the Saints”

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            dawgbisquit1, and how He made us: 40,000 miles of blood vessels, 7 – 70 trillion cells, 5,000 enzymes, enough information in the DNA in one human cell to fill 1000 encyclopedias all working together to make us who we are physically. It all works and we don’t even have to understand how it does we just need to feed it properly and most of the time it’ll do what it is supposed to. Hallelujah. Amen to your post.

          • CardinalMo

            To Dawgbisquit1: The body is truly amazing as is every piece of life on our planet, the planet, and the workings of the entire universe. How can so many ignor the existence of so much instead of being totally awe inspired? Even animals are inspired to just enjoy what is around them…Have you ever noticed that about an animal?…especially dogs and horses? They lay (stand) and just look, smell, listen…to the wind, the sun, and other life. They almost look like they are smiling when they do this.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            That’s because they are!

          • CardinalMo

            dogbisquit1 So right you are about the constitution and God creating us all. We are all equal. I just don’t understand why white people thought that they were the chosen people of God. And, that all other races were so inferior to the point they were not even considered to human. Hitler certainly was a white rightest…and that mentality continues to exist among a lot of people. Is it that they feel threatened by life itself? Were they in some way jealous?

            I once many years ago read a book by a doctor (wish I could remember his name)…but he found all of the rumours about Amaricans to be false…eg., dirty …they bathed daily. Didn’t believe in one God…they did…just not the way White man did. And, they were very physically fit, strong, and healthy. The same is qualities may be said of African Americans.

            As far as test scores in schools, the minority children are not assimilated into the white culture. They have different stories, different foods, different customs, different ways of expressing love for God, different social interactions. Sometimes a question is asked in such a way as to make no sense what so ever and the answers may be nebulas unless you have encountered the thought process before. In other words the answer depends upon your analysis of the question. This is especially true for logic questions in math. I can see why Hispanics, American Indians and Blacks score lower. All we have to do is look at the cultural experiences. I’m sure we’d be as off course in their culture.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Good mornin’ CM! I tried to send this post three times yesterday before getting frustrated and going to bed! There’s nothing like workin’ your butt off on a post only to lose it in cyber space! No wonder those GSA guys were takin it out on that hard drive! LOL!!! Have you seen that video yet?!! What were those a$$holes thinkin’?!! LOL!!! I can surely sympathize with ‘em though!
            Don’t you think that it’s a little unfair to heep ALL of mankinds woes on the white man simply because he has been on top for the past couple a hundred years?!! What a pivotal role the invention of the gun made in human history!!! http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/inventions/who-invented-the-first-gun.htm. Are you not accusing the white man of something that ALL races are somewhat guilty of?!! Don’t all races have those who feel that their’s is THE superior race?!! Let’s ask Louis Farrakhan who the master race is! Would you accept an invitation from Idi Amin to Ugandan cook-out?!! I didn’t think so! Although with your ethnic background you’d a probably been safe, Idi had a problem with spicy foods, they say he ate about a bottle of Tums a day! LOL!!! If the Japanese would’ve won WWII, what would the world look like today?!! Would not they have not forced their ways, morals, and dogmas on the ones of us they allowed to continue to live?!! Before WWII, to western culture, the Japanese were barbarians!!!
            And while recievin’ ALL the blame for the ills of the world, we hardly get ANY credit for all the blessings that technology has brought us in the 21st century! The industrial revolution that started in THIS country 10 yrs. following the Civil War has changed life more in the past 150 yrs. than it had changed in the last 2000!!! (See Dan. 12:4!!!) So the next time you’re cruzin’ down tha road in air conditioned comfort, diggin’ on some groovy tunes, haw ’bout a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T?!! Thank you Aretha! And speakin’ of, several of those great inventors of the industrial revolution were men and women of color, George Washington Carver and Jan Ernst Matzeliger are just two examples of these GREAT Americans!!!
            Now the greatest human example of demonic possession, Adolf Shicklgruber Hitler! Let’s make some clarifications here. Were the ancient Greeks white?! Were the ancient Romans?! That’s kinda ify! Now the ancient Goths and Brits, THEY WERE LILY WHITE! LOL!!! So can we consider Adolf white?! I heard a rumor one time that his father was a Jew who abandoned his mother, and thus his hatred of the Jews. But a recent documentary that I saw claims that both his parents were devout Catholics and even showed their grave marker at in a small Catholic churchyard cemetary in Austria. Isaw another documentary about 10-15 yrs. ago that talked about his ties to the occult, let’s face it, when your mistress has lampshades made out of human skin, how in the hell can you claim to be a Christian?!! I wish I could find that video again! Talk about SPOOKY!!! Although Catholic, Hitler believed himself to be of the Merovingian line and a direct decendant of the copulation of Jesus Christ and mary Magdaline! Thus his “1000 yr. Reich”, it said that the members of Hitler’s secret SS Gestapo even had their children baptised in Hitler’s name! This was a VERY well made documentary, and contained someold film footage which I had never seen before or since! If anyone knows of the video of which I speak, and knows how I could obtain a copy (The one I had was VHS.), please post it please!!! Have you ever heard the story of the “Spear of Destiny” CM? http://web.org.uk/picasso/spear.html. There’s even a rumor of some kinda demonic possession happening to Hitler on a visit to the Great Pyramid of Giza! http://www.alaska.net/~peace/pyramid.htm. What is true history and what is legend concernig this man?! Does anyone actually know?!! He surely was an inhumane monster, when Eisenhower went into the death camps, he is quoted as sayin’, “Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened!” Surely there is no doubt that this man was demon possessed!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXXpMs3T3jA&feature=related. I as a white man REFUSE to let this MONSTER be considered one of my race!!! He looks more like a Frog than he does a Kraut! LOL!!! Oh yeah, you’re WELCOME Europe!
            I used to work for an Iranian rug dealer in Louisville, KY. It was one of my favorite jobs that I ever had! Persian rugs are truly works ao art and are soakin’ in history and mystique!!! But anyway, Sharoh used to tell me that the reason we were hated over there is because we were ALL percieved to be the superficial sex-addicted narcissistic snobs portrayed on such shows as Baywatch! LOL!!! He was one of the most fair and generous men I’d ever worked for, even invitin’ me to his home for get togethers with friends and family. But him and his Iranian buddies would get together and start discussin’ the situation and would start Israel bashin’! Now these were all Muslims, but secular Mislims at best, they all had their prayer beads and everything but were FAR from religious, so to speak. But anyway I would start tellin’ them about Bible prophecy and what it said was going to happen in the Middle East during the Last Days! They didn’t want to hear none of that, and one day Sharoh called me into another room and told me, “Tom, we really love your work, but from now on, I’ll have to ask you to keep your opinions to yourself.” to which I replied, “Sharoh, you done forgot what country you’re livin’ in!” I walked out the door and never returned!!! I’ve talked to Sharoh since and we remain friends.
            Makin’ excuses (And that’s all they are!) for these children is not doing them any favors!!! Our children are fallin’ off the learnin’ curve because you New Age teachers are coddlin’ them! If a kid can’t keep up, you DON”T slow down the rest of the class for that one child’s benefit! The MAIN problem with our children and their inability to learn is over-entertainment! The garbage that we’re lettin’ our kids watch anymore just blows me away!!! Have you rver watched an episode of “I Carly”?!! You wonder where your pre-teen daughter learned to be so mouthy?!! LOL!!! What a WICKED web we weave!
            Finally and I’m almost done here, when you come to this country as an immigrant, you should come here because you want what we have, FREEDOM!!! Freedom to live your life as you see fit as long as that doesn’t cause harm to someone else! If you come to this country with the intention of removin’ that freedom for which so many of our brave men and women have sacrificed all, YOU’D BETTER PACK YOUR BAG AND GO ON BACK HOME!!! WHEW! There it’s done and I didn’t hit no wrong keys or nothin’!!! Thanx 4 lettin’ me vent!

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael, I’m getting tired. Had a very busy day! I guess I’ve sort of broken down your questions to bite sizes.

            Sometimes its good to rething a question from different angles…but then it gets to be a book instead of a simple answer.

            I’d much rather find something good to say about a person than to say something negative or ugly. I’m pretty free with compliments. I let people know when I like a certain color, or pattern on them. There is always a way to cross a bridge with a person when they receive a small compliment …and it’s nice to bring a smile to someone’s face. I just love to watch a persons face light up when there may have been a bit of a frown or an undercurrent of stress. It makes my day!

            As far as hearing things about others, wouldn’t you much rather hear something positive about someone else than some bitter, twisted (probably) negative comment. How does hearing negative about other make you feel.. . I’ll bet a little confused and unhappy.

            Well I better crash for the night. I can barely focus on this computer.

            Have a peaceful weekend.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            WHICH COMMENT WERE YOU REFERRING TOO AND DID YOU HAVE A GOOD MOTHERS DAY ?

          • CardinalMo

            Katraek, You make some very good points. To return a moment to a previous conversation we had about morals and values. Yes values and morals can be different things…but, in a way they tend to overlap and sort of wrap around each other. For example: it is both a moral and a social value to not kill, steal, lie, commit adultry etc. I find it interesting that while a lot of our people may break moral codes and social values, others do not. When we consider how our society reacts when the elites, or people like teachers, preachers, lawyers, policemen, and other such public serving people violate a moral /social value…everyone reacts with outrage. The bottom line is that our social values embrace morals and moral convictions.

            I have no Idea what exactly you were taught about drugs and sex while you were in school in Colorado. I do think it the subject matter should be handled. But, how it should be handled has to be preformed very carefully. I’ll tell you one thing…there is nothing like parents talking honestly with their children. Children need to know what the consequences are of sex and drugs. My dad was a Medic during WWII and as such he kept many of his books. I got my hands on one of his books one day and the truth in that book certainly showed me the results of promiscuity, in black and white. I learned the consequences very quickly!

            Children do not understand or may perhaps reject morality as a reason to not experiment with drugs and sex. Even the good minister’s children who have been taught the concept of sinning, knowingly commit sin. How are we to try to protect children from their wrong and dangerous choices? If teaching children morality does not work…then what? What if most parents are not teaching morality, or even discussing the risks inherent in various sins. If the ministers don’t teach consequences, and the parents don’t teach consequences, and the teacher’s can’t teach consequences, how will the children learn about the consequences? By…trial and error…from friends (who know nothing) or the media which brainwashes their minds completely by making degeneracy look appealing? It takes a long time to develop an understanding of social values, morality, and to interpret conflicting information…it takes maturity.

            I worked in a private school and didn’t have to teach any sex edu. The regular classroom teachers don’t teach sex or drug edu…but the schools usually have a nurse teach these subjects. However, I do recall having kids look up some pretty vulgar words they were throwing around. When I asked them what the words meant they had no clue. When the 7th graders looked up the meaning and had to read it they were grossed out. Guess what, they stopped using the words. I remember one little girl saying…see…that is why we need sex education. My dad talks to me about this stuff.

            It is sad how many children are involved in sex and drugs before they even have a real chance to know what it is about and the consequences. I guess a lot should depend on the families and the individual children. Parents are given the opportunities to opt their child out of any of the classes which are against their belief system. I think if the schools are going to approach sex education they do need to deal more directly with consequences for the individuals, families, and society. One person’s sexual choices can effect many people for a long time.

            Obviously, sexuality and drugs have been issues for quite awhile now and many approaches, I assume, have been attempted. It is a complex issue. We can thank good old Hugh and the media backlash against feminism for a lot of what we are experiencing right not. When women are seen as mere objects of throw away pleasure, and all females that their sexuality will land them some form of love…we have a problem. Just look at all of the sexual images in magazines, on TV, on the streets. There is no way children, teens and young adults can sort all of this out without help. God knows it’s hard enough for adults to sort everything out!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I like much of what you have to say and I’m at the part about the sex and drugs in Colorado. I need to comment here so I don’t lose my train of thought. I’m sorry that I confused you as I didn’t meant to make you think that I went to school there. I went through kindergarten through grade 12 in Ohio and attended College in Georgia. The reference I spoke of was concerning a report done by Fox News on the O’reilly Factor. The report concerned a high school in Colorado where the school’s administrators called for compulsory attendance to an assembly where the students were introduced to speakers that promoted experimentation with sex and drugs. O’reilly played a considerable bit of the recorded assembly so that there could be no doubt that none of the recording was taken out of context. It was absolutely amazing and I believe that some people ended up being fired over it. The report was apparently available at one time on the internet but it seems to have been pulled for some reason?

            I speak out against teaching morals in school but it is proper to teach what may be the result of a promiscuous life style; things such as the possibility of contracting incurable sexually transmitted disease.

            Yes, there are no guarantees that a person will follow their parents teachings. still, it’s the parents responsibility and duty to teach their children their values and that teaching will happen either actively or passively. Children often mimic what they see and not what they hear.

            It may be appropriate to teach how we reproduce sexually in school but the morality of what to do sexually belongs at home or in church but not in the school. It is also acceptable to teach in school the different meaning of the words that we encounter in every day life

            There are no simple answers as too many take the lazy approach to teaching their children; they decide to leave it up to the schools who have no business teaching certain issues. No simple solutions except for people like you and I to do what we are supposed to do for our own families. I can’t save the world from itself. It looks as if this current global civilization is going to self destruct.

          • CardinalMo

            I so agree with everything you said Katrael. Our society and the modern world in general has lost it’s adoration of nature. We have lost our grounding…our common sense. I too think we are in the process of self destructing.

          • CardinalMo

            To Katrael: Regarding same sex marriage. This is another complex issue. 1) It is pretty much proven that homosexuality is not a choice which people freely and contently make. Homosexuality has existed in all cultures at all time during the history of humanity…there are even animals which are homosexual. The bottom line is we do not really know why this situation exists. Is it a brain thing, a hormonal thing, a social thing? We just don’t know. We can look around and site different situations in which one cause or all causes may appear.

            The way I look at it. We cannot control or understand another persons feelings or thoughts. All of life is precious to God. We hold no power on or over that. Many people who are gay suffer greatly…and many fight the good fight trying to be heterosexual. There is a lot of internal struggle in dealing with other issues which are rooted in the homosexual life. Why should we, a society feel intent upon making their lives more difficult and complicated than they already are. Whether homosexuality is a moral issue is not a good defense for abuse, and other forms of social ostracism. I believe people who live together in a household and desire those residents to have rights such as those who are married should… a person need not be gay or married or even have a sexual relationship to need to have the same economic rights and privilege.e.g., if a son or daughter is living with me, no matter their age, why not be able to be economically secured by being able to have one insurance policy, inheritance without a will, etc. I think it could have worked well to have a civil union rather than to use the word marriage. I don’t really know which laws restrict gays specifically. But, I could bet that perhaps it has to do with inheritance, dependency, social security, insurances, right to be present in hospital emergency decisions, extended family problems in dealing with all of the life situations. As a married couple, neither hetro or homosexual couples would be faced with the lack of acknowledgement of certain rights granted to “married couples.” A civil union could have protected their rights the same as a marriage.

            I do see the term Married…as meaning male to female, husband and wife…and the norm we have followed for so many centuries. But, now our economic and survival structure is so complicated. And, science has seen to it to create artificial insemination to complicate social and family situations. If two people are interdependent like a “married couple” they should be able to function economically on the same grounds.

            Gay marriage does not affect heterosexual marriage because heterosexuals are going to continue as they always have.

            Let us remember too these facts about marriage. Marriage has nearly always involved the protection of peoples interest in property, inheritance, and children. At one time Marriages among the European cultures were conducted primarily by the elite class and the lower class persons had “common law” marriages…they were considered married just by the fact of the time they had been “living together.” It was later as the church became more powerful, and as populations moved toward middle class that “marriages.” became the norm. Different cultures have always had different interpretations and expressions of marriage.

            I refrain from my judgement of homosexuality…that is Gods job. Only God knows what is really going on. Perhaps they are thrown upon us to test our ability to learn to love our fellow people. I can’t help but think of the blind man who has road blocks and things to trip over placed before him by others. I wouldn’t do that. So, I guess I wouldn’t make it more difficult for a gay person to survive the time’s we live with.

            Life is a challenge for the strongest among us. I can’t begin to imagine how difficult it must be for the weaker.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I’ve got to attend to my business but I do want to address your comment to me. I will address the first part of what I read, “To Katrael: Regarding same sex marriage. This is another complex issue. 1) It is pretty much proven that homosexuality is not a choice which people freely and contently make.” Nobody, or practically nobody, puts a gun to anybodies head and demands that they practice being a homosexual. How does someone actually know they are a homosexual until they engage in homosexual activities and heterosexual activities? By then it may be too late as the preference for this path to pleasure may become a part of the persons preference? I completely disagree with this premise regardless of what proof you offer. I’m interested in what you say and I’ll be back to it later. .

          • CardinalMo

            Sorry Katrael I haven’t gotten back to you. It’s been a busy week. I promise I’ll get caught up with you.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, you don’t need to apologize as being busy with important things is normal for all good people. These discussions are optional in our life.

          • CardinalMo

            Thanks Katrael, That is how I am…I keep up on the follow through…or make every effort to!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.

            CardinalMo, I want to comment about your reply about evil. I used to think this quote meant what you said and it was only a few days ago that I made a comment to the effect that YHWH created evil as if evil had not existed before his singular act of creating it. There is a challenge for translators from Hebrew to Greek to English. In Hebrew there is only a past and future tense verbs; the present tense is implied by the context in which a verb is used. Reading this verse out of context you might be able to imply that YHWH “created” evil as this verse uses the past tense form of the verb b’rah. Let’s put it into context:

            Isa 45:5 I am YHWH, and there is none else, there is no Elohim (God) beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
            Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else.
            Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.

            I don’t know if this helps any but it does to me. I believe that YHWH is saying that he does these things on an ongoing basis and that creating evil was not something that He did just once and he was through doing it. I believe the present tense of this sentence is implied by the context. I don’t believe that he creates evil just to do it but that He does it for instructional purposes. Any good parent teaches his children good from evil so that they will grow up to be good adults who do the correct things. YHWH is teaching us like a good parent should. Do we not call him father and are we not his children? What will we grow up to be if we don’t learn the difference between good and evil? YHWH want’s us to have the use of creative power but I don’t believe that He would give it to us if we were going to use it for destructive purposes. He wouldn’t give us that power the same way we wouldn’t give a five year old the keys to the car and then turn them loose on the street. He want’s to know that we as individuals and the human race in general have grown up enough to use this power properly. Of course this is my interpretation of things.

            The negative and positive charges: I believe you are correct in your interpretation that there has to be a positive and a negative. When talking about electricity the negative carries extra electrons that flow to the positive which can accept the electrons from the negative so actually there isn’t a balance but rather there is an imbalance. No work can be done unless this imbalance exists as there would be equal charges or in other words the charge would be neutral. Electrons “flow” through a circuit from a region that has more electrons to a regions with less electrons and no flow may occur when the electrons are equal on both sides. I believe that evil always existed.

            Yes YHWH did create the serpent that Chawwah Adam encountered in the Garden of Pleasure and Delight (Eden) and you may rightly call that beast Satan as Satan means:

            H7854
            שׂטן
            śâṭân
            saw-tawn’
            From H7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: – adversary, Satan, withstand.

            Any one may be an opponent, even people, so if you felt like I was your opponent then you would be correct in calling me a satan.

            Remember the popular story about how Satan was once a cherub who’s wings covered the throne of YHWH and then he became evil and was thrown down to the earth? I believe that this is the verse where people get this idea from:

            Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
            Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
            Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

            Does this sound familiar? Could our perception of these verses be incorrect? Let’s put them into context:

            Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
            Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
            Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
            Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
            Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
            Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
            Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
            Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
            Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
            Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
            Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
            Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
            Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

            This section is about the King of Babylon and it says so; these verses are a part of a proverb about that king. Look at the last verse quoted here: it says that those who see this being will say that it is a man which is in agreement with verse 14:4. What am I saying about this? Could this reference to Lucifer actually be a reference to a man who was the king of Babylon? You decide.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, your comments about homosexuals and their plight is moving but I believe it is misguided. Just because there are animals that engage in sexual activity with the same sex, male to male for instance, and that it does occur in the human population doesn’t mean that it’s a good thing. I posed this question to someone not long ago: what would happen if you took males who were homosexuals and only them, and got them to volunteer to isolate themselves in their own special city from the general population in exchange for a life time of luxury; how long would it be before there were no people in that city left alive? My answer is that it would only take one generation. Homosexuality is anti species.

            If, as you say, they have no choice then are you saying that they can’t control themselves? Are they compelled to act on their desire for sexual relations with the same sex? What happens when a person who can’t control one character trait has a character flaw, say a propensity to murder, isn’t it dangerous for other people to be exposed to a person who can’t control themselves? That out of control person might go on a murdering spree.

            I agree that a person has a right to practice what ever they desire but in this case these people need to do it out of sight as many people have a dislike for this type of behavior and there will always be people who dislike this type of behavior especially against those who are blatantly open with this practice. You can’t legislate hatred out of existence.

            Let’s examine some history in case you’re feeling that all homosexuals are only the poor victims of heterosexuals: http://www.thepinkswastika.com/. This is a link to a book that explains the contributions that homosexuals made to the Nazi party. It’s called “The Pink Swastika”

            “I do see the term Married…as meaning male to female, husband and wife…and the norm we have followed for so many centuries. But, now our economic and survival structure is so complicated.” Is this an argument that is supposed to mean that our survival depends on recognizing same sex marriages?

            Where does this stop?. Do you see anything wrong with homosexual behavior? How about this: NAMBLA? http://www.nambla.org/. Is this something that you endorse? North American Man Boy Love Association. If we can have this, men having sex with male children then why can’t we have a NAMGLA? North American Man Girl Love Association? How about this NAMWRA? North American Man Woman Rape Association? Am I being ludicrous? Of course but this homosexual thing is just a repugnant to me as these other NAM things may be to you. I see all kind of evils coming from this acceptance of open homosexual behavior because it’s a progressive march toward immorality. I believe in YHWH and his opinion is that this homosexual behavior is so bad that he called for his people to eliminate them from their society.

            Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

            I don’t believe in killing people, not even these types of people but this tells me that I shouldn’t accept this kind of behavior as anything that is appropriate. This behavior is, in my opinion, incurable so there is no need to try. Once a person engages in this kind of activity it becomes like an addiction. I’ve had enough exposure to homosexuals and I know of only one man who ever was able to stop having sex with other men but it was enough to torture him the rest of his days…he died at the age of 56…he stopped eating and starved himself to death. I knew this person my whole life and I never ostracized him nor did I ever comment on his behavior even though I felt that his behavior was repugnant.

            As to not effecting heterosexuals. I soundly disagree. Open acceptance of this aberrant behavior sends a message to our youth that it’s ok to practice this. I believe this is a mistake as it becomes addicting and once a youth engages in this addictive behavior then they may go on to encourage this behavior with other youth and so on and so on. It sounds like you agree that a person “has no choice”.

            This is where our “Progressive” attitudes are taking us: nothing is wrong and anything is right.

          • CardinalMo

            To Katrael: Your question…Who made evil and why? Well in my rationale God made evil. The universe is created to have negative and positive energy charges. light and dark, hot and cold, strong and weak, red and green, the universe is made up of oppositions and compliments. So, why not good and evil.

            God created Satan… Since the bible claims that God is ALL knowing I assume he created Satan knowing full well that he would challenge God to a fight for power. Perhaps since the universe is composed of opposits and complimentary energies to maintain the creations and balance perhaps, there is a balance created by having good and evil. Of course we do not comprehend …..why God would do that. Since God knows ALL he already knows who will fail and succeed any of his tests of faith.,,or lessons in love. Maybe it’s all about Satan…perhaps Satan is the real black sheep and the rest of it is about getting Satan back into his fold?

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            hello cardinal mo, I was reading your post about what you said about god created the devil
            which is something I all ways wondered about too because everything thing that is living or not has a property which some elements has derived from positive or negative energy forces. But since god is the creator of all things these elements exist threw him. the devil may be the result of what he created but the creator intended to create a world where it was suppose to be made up of positive energy forces of love that applied to his rules of universal law in order to balance forces he created, do you think maybe the lord did not want to be alone at one time before the beginning of his creation and decided not to take any chances to create mankind in heaven in case it turned out not to be the product of his expectations because of something we may not know of that might of happened before our creation that may be his earlier creation that might of gone wrong then maybe he decided to create man in flesh and blood first on earth to see how they would behave as a experiment? if we rule out that theory then maybe we can use examples on how the first born behavior pattern is designed like the protical son or daughter that gets all the attention in which spoils the person’s ability to make the right decission’s later on down the road in life because they did not earn the trials of their ways that resulted him or her to be sour and bitter, Lucifer which was the most powerful and beautiful angel that may of been exposed to so much attention and fame it went to his head and then he wanted all the attention and control of power and greed that turned in to conflict to his creator, what is similar is when eve ate the forbidden fruit that changed the principals ever since that happened this still reflects on everyone on the planet today …just a thought only

          • CardinalMo

            To Robbie: Well in reality we cannot possibly know what God did or why? I do not see God as a little old guy sitting on a throne up in heaven. All I know and experience is that God is a bit of everything. And, everything is a bit of God. God was a creator, and humanity is creative…and heaven as Jesus stated is WITHIN US. Spritual beliefs are complex…we know there is something….but we really have a difficult time defining it. What I find really interesting is physics. Clear down to the molecules there is a consciousness which interacts with another consciousness. Each of our cells and the parts within the cell have a consciousness… they each have a job, an action to perform, and a reaction. It is the dance of life and we are all part of the dance of the cosmos.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJiHQ2S_N8U

            Paganism?!! It’s been said that the members of Led Zeppelin dabbled in the occult, especially Jimmy Page who purchased famed occultist Alester Crowley’s country estate outside of London, the four symbols used on their forth album cover can all be traced back to Druidic times, and are said to represent the four individual band members!!! As a teenager and young man, I worshipped the band, especially Jimmy page who in my opinion was THE GREATEST guitarist of ALL time!!! But they also had in my opinion THE GREATEST drummer of all time, John Bonham! I even named one of my former dogs “Bonzo” in honor of the late drummer, and this in my opinon is ONE of his greatest performances and please LISTEN to the words! PRAISE BE JESUS!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtRuTgc_IM

            And here’s another that shows the genious of these fellas! All four of them!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuavUFzXX1w&feature=related

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            YES i KNOW WE CAN’T FIGURE OUT GOD. JUST SPECULATE TO WONDER IF ONE COMES EVEN CLOSE T0 UNDERSTANDING HIS BEYOND ADVANCED SOURCE OF HIS DIVINE CREATIVENESS. I’M OPEN TO ANYONE’S THEORY OF HIS ORGAN BECAUSE I DO KNOW WHEN GOD CREATED EVERYTHING HE KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE THE SOLE PURPOSE OF WHAT HE WOULD OF WANTED IT TO BE AS TO HE CREATED ALL OF US IN THE IMAGE OF HIMSELF WHICH IS MAN KIND. WE ALL HAVE A UNIQUE DIFFERENT PART OF GOD WITHIN US LIKE MOLECULES, MATTER, AND CELLS THAT WOULD MOST PROBABLY BE THE PRODUCT PROPERTIES OF STARDUST,SO ARE WE STAR CHILDREN? MAYBE,MAYBE YES.THE REASON I LIKE TO HEAR EVERYONE’S INPUT IS WE ARE ALL SO DIFFERENT ENOUGH TO LEARN MORE FROM EACH OTHER EVEN IF WE CAN BE INCORRECT AT TIMES FROM REASONING FOR CONCLUSIONS. IS GOD PERFECT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO MAKE MISTAKES? DID HE KNOW HIS FAVORITE AND MOST POWERFUL ANGEL LUCIFER WOULD BE A MAJOR CONFLICT OF WHAT HE CREATED SINCE HE IS THE KNOWER OF ALL THINGS ? SOMEHOW I BELIEVE OUR COLLECTIVE THOUGHTS EVEN IN DREAMS CAN TRAVEL MUCH FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT THREW UNIVERSES OF THE COSMOS

          • CardinalMo

            I think discussing Gods intent, prior knowledge, actions is like trying to decide how many angels fit on the head of a pen. We cannot have a concept of that which we cannot see or experience. To me nature is a reflection of God. God is all of the forces of creativity in the universe. We are electrical beings as is all other life. But then even rocks, dirt, water have this electrical movement going on to…so are rocks life? Is dirt life? Is the Earth alive and does it have a consciousness…one we do not understand? The entire population could for 1 million yrs. argue the existence and qualities of God and never agree. I think we should get on with life and learn to respect others, love our neighbours, care for and love our planet, cause no harm to others, Humanity keeps trying to put a human face on God. God is not human….God may well be some form of unknown energy. If this is so it is certainly easy to see that we are all one…connected dynamic creation. It is best I guess to live life to its fullest, learning as much as we can about what we can and not destroy anything in the process. According to the Tao …we are to live in the Tao…that means to fully appreciate the moment with unconsciousness of our self or our ego….like children playing. When I read the bible and other religious texts, they all speak at the core of the same thing. A great creator, justice, fairness, compassion, humility and humbleness, helping and sharing with others. Jesus did not call himself a King. He was a Rabbi more than likely. From what I understand at that time only a Rabbi could teach as he did. Rabbis were allowed to marry and to have children. The Jewish faith had been established for a long time before Christianity. Christianity flowed out of Judaism. At the time there was and had been much social and political upheaval in the Holy Lands. The Jewish people were looking for some king to save them from the Romans of that time. Messiah…a deliverer or liberator. The Jewish people were looking for liberator for Roman rule. Jesus called himself the son of man. I’m not really certain about when he called himself the Son of God. There are many versions of the Holy books…that being that many different people wrote about Jesus. There is an awful lot of conflict regarding the various stories. None or very few which were recorded during Jesus’s lifetime. Some say that Mary Madeleine was married to Jesus and not a prostitute. Others describe him as a less than perfect little boy full of naughty pranks. The bible as we know it was complied by the Catholic Church. And, the Catholic Church came to power through a political move when Constantine decided to unite his people. After that the Catholic Church pretty much ruled the earth and the soldiers killed plenty of innocent people as they spread their religion across the planet. I do not see those guys as good people!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, goog morning. There indeed are many versions of the bible especially the New Testament. I understand that there are several thousand differing Greek Manuscripts? Even the Catholic Bible differs from the King James Version as it contains several books not found in the King James and it’s companion versions. The Hebrew TaNaK is a slightly different story.

            The version of the Old Testament that we are most familiar with was translated from the Hebrew to the Greek then into English. The English version is different from the Babylonian/Hebrew/Aramaic version of the TaNaK(Old Testament) as the books are in a different order and many of the names have been changed to reflect a more acceptable Anglo Saxon preference for names including a possible preference for the names of pagan deities? There is a version of Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament, that was originally written in a form of Hebrew no longer used. Why? Probably after 70 years in Babylon the Scribes could no longer fully comprehend what was written? The Jewish people had become culturally contaminated by this Babylonian contact and they were most likely familiar with the new forms of communication. Only a guess here? Regardless of the reason for utilizing a different form of writing, the Scribes were charged with meticulously copying the scrolls. You will not find any of these scrolls varying by as little as one jot or tittle. A scroll copied today is the same as the scrolls copied two thousand years ago. A new scroll can cost as much as thirty thousand dollars. The only real differences within the Jewish community is in the pronunciation of the letters and words although the words still mean the same thing.

            There Israelites were chosen for several reasons: they of course were descended from Shem, the first Melchizedek, through Eber(Hebrew) through Abraham and it was Abraham’s children through Isaac that would become a blessing to the world. The Hebrew people are gifted with more than it’s share of brilliant minds possibly due to inbreeding but what they have in brilliance they often loose to stubbornness and a lack of common sense. They were picked to be an example to the world of what good things can happen through obedience to the word of YHWH (god) and what bad things can happen as a result of disobedience to the same word.

            Jesus probably was not a Rabbi. The Rabbi were and still are the Pharisees that he railed against. The Catholic Church became the new Roman Empire and as you pointed out, were responsible for the murder of thousands if not millions of individuals all in the name of Jesus Christ and the Holy Roman Church.

            I said all this to agree with some of what you wrote and to provide a little history that you may not be familiar with? You are right of course that we don’t need to focus so much on who’s superior to whom as we are all 100% human with differing talents to use for all of humanity. Some are great thinkers while others are great doers. And who knows when the Messiah will return and until then we have to live on this little planet.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael, Thank you for a very balanced feed back and the information.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Lighter side?!! You ain’t seen nothin’ yet honey!!! You’re absolutely correct CM the “trashtalking” is very much a product of our generation. You have to understand that I grew up in a lower income section of the big city where we used to question the virtue of one another’s grandmothers! There’s nothin’ like gettin’ taken to skool on da’ ball court and at the same time be the victim of a Don Rickles or Redd Foxx style verbal assault on yo momma’s choice of footware fashon! LOL!!! Ahh, those were the days! Back when we could laugh at one another without somebody threatenin’ to blow somethin’ up!!! And I mean LAUGH LOL!!!! I mean sooo HARD that your ribs’d a be hurtin’! I’m in tears thinkin’ ’bout it!!! Kid’s these days seem to be bent on killin’ one another! Say a cross word to the wrong one of ‘em, and you could be layin’ on a slab lickidy-split!!! I don’t know what grade you teach CM, but I wouldn’t teacht anything above jr. high unless they’d let me carry conceiled! Especially in the inner-city!! I’ll bet you say it’s because I’m a paraniod racist. I say it’s because I watch the news and grew up in the inner-city! I’ve never figured out the annimosity between the races these days?!! They ALL act like a bunch a little thugs to me, and I ‘ll guarentee that they’d ALL have trouble survivin’ growin’ up in the neighborhood I did! Can I get a “G’town” witness!!! I was of that generation of little brother and sisters to the flower children of the 60′s, we grew up in the decade of national shock, the 70′s. And anyone of us who made it out alive or not incarcerated truely had SOMEONE watchin’ over ‘em! THANK YOU JESUS!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CauXzzswe4

            Personally I try to live by this philosophy; “Work like ya don’t need the money. Love kike ya never been hurt, and dance like no one’s watchin’!” – Satchel Paige, old Negro and Major Leauge Hall of Fame Picther. Satch wasn’t known for his eloquence on the mound, he was known for his tenaciousness! Striking out major league batters well into his late 50′s!!! A TRUE American!

            “I am not a American, I am THE American!” – Marc Twain

          • CardinalMo

            Tom I totally agree with you on this one. People do over react when people tease and make fun of them. Back in the day people took it. Even if they were hurt or upset by it they certainly didn’t think it was worthy of murder.

            I think some of the ones who carry guns are kids are unloved at home, verbally bullied by parents, and physically beaten. I had a child in 7th grade was uncontrollable, sneaky, not only in my class but with every teacher. He came from a really confused family back ground and at home was sort of seperated from his siblings. The kid wanted attention from his peers. He didn’t care if he was punished. You see for some people with problems…especially children, negative attention is as good as positive attention…it’s attention and nothing will get you attention faster than bad behaviour. Sometimes, unless it is totally disturbing others it is best to just let it alone. When children like this are bullied and called names it hurts them even more deeply. They just can’t take it and one day they blow it big!

            People who are strong can survive it. If you have loving parents you will survive.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo. I agree that your student wanted attention but, could it be that the student in your seventh grade class, who was acting out, was doing so as a form of rebellion against what he or she may have perceived to be an oppressive abusive authority figure; in other words he or she related you and possibly all authority figures as if they were the same as his or her abusive parent(s)? Children test the limits of their environment to see what they can do and most children today know that parents, teachers and others can’t do much of anything about their acting out because they can go to the authorities and make your life a living hell. I wish that I could collect for every time I heard, “I’ll report you.”

            Why didn’t your student do something about the abuse? Could be many reasons and I feel that the child was reared in that environment so it was “normal” and there was nothing to report or possibly the threat of loosing an environment that he or she could cope in was worse that ending the abuse? Could be anything.

          • CardinalMo

            Actually I’m almost he was testing all the limits. I think perhaps he was also looking for trust and someone who would help him. One day the boy showed the principal and myself welts which had on his back and arm. The step father (who the mother tried to protect) ended up being removed. The mother then moved her children to another school. She was furious that the principal called to CYFD and of course they had to report the incident to the police.

          • Tom W.

            Thanx! EXCELLELENT post!!! Study the history ol alchemy! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy, If you trace it back to it’s roots, the original alchemists were the Druids who would demand tribute, monitary and human, from the ancient British farmers with the threat of cursing their fields! If the farmer refused to pay, they would come at night and poison the farmers fields. When the farmer would see his crops withering in the fields, he was prisoner of their sinister commands! The Freemason’s also trace their British roots back to the original alchemists!
            It sounds like Monsanto is doin’ to the earth what the teachers in our public schools are doing to the minds of our kids!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., yes they have and they will continue to poison both until one of two things happens: we stop them or Yashua returns.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael and Tom: Ok here is the address for donation to the GMO labelling fight going on in California.

            Organic Consumers Fund
            6771 South Silver Hill Drive
            Finland, MN 55603

            This group will accpet checks, moneyorders, or online payments. It is a grassroots organization out of MN.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, thanks for that I’ll pass the word on.

          • CardinalMo

            Katrael, You are more than welcome.

          • Tom W.

            CM, you are starting to get on my last nerve and believe it or not, I’ve been bein’ nice up until now. I give well over 10% of my income to helping the less fortunate among us, both in time and money. While I find your cause a worthy one, I flat out refuse to jump through your little hoop of fire to prove, I don’t know what!!! I’ll pick my charities, thank you. And if I got you all wrong and you were just providing an address for a worthy cause, I sincerely apologize.

          • CardinalMo

            Tom, Tom, Tom, It is really difficult to communicate with you. Now why did my giving you and others who might read any of this …and address to donate to the cause of fighting Monsanto cause you to become angry?

          • Tom W.

            I sincerely apologize as I read the post I responded to before I saw your post on Monsanto. That was a bad judgement on my part! My bad.

          • CardinalMo

            Tom, I accept your appology!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

          Try to vandalize the thing Katrael, talk about bells and whistles!!! There was a reason for that particular site and not just the fact that it’s the highest point in the county! There’s a reason, nobody figured it out yet!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., what’s your theory as to why it’s where it is?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            A certain longitude and latitude maybe, there’s ALWAYS a reason! One of the oddities that I’ve noticed in works done by the Mason, take building projects for example, They’ll do something flat out spectacular, I mean intricate precise BAUTIFUL work, but there always be a faux pas’ in it! I mean there will be something that looks like a complete moron did it! It won’t be noticeable to the average person, but if you get to lookin’, you’ll find something that was PURPOSELY done very defiently sloppy! Almost like a signiture of sorts!!!
            Another thing, and I tell ya this one from experience, when they don’t like you, they mess with your head. If you are not a Mason and you should want to learn about them, don’t even think about it unless you’re SURE of where you stand with Christ!!! There are several horror stories about people who made that mistake!!! These are SICK bastards who have absolutely no morals what-so-ever, and the scary part is they might be teachin’ your kids at school! They might be preachin’ from the pulpit on Sunday! They’re present in all walks of life! But if they’ve got a beef with you about something, they’ll start leavin’ ya callin’ cards! You might go to the rest room or something, when you return there’ll be an old rusty broken tool of some sort placed right where it would be in your way. That’s what got me interested in them.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I got a chance to do a lot of HVAC maintenance work for the local Mason Lodge even though I wasn’t a Mason. I got a chance to look at some of the Posters(for lack of a better word at this time of night) that contained many of their cherished symbols and plenty that I had never seen before. I never had a burning desire to really know about them through first hand experience. I figured it was best to leave them alone. I don’t trust any organization that operates secretly. Just me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        This guy goes through the commandments on the stones, Massachusetts? Really?!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=WYzRoHp2UVs

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        You never noticed any unusally sloppy work?!! Usally in places where there not a lot of public access.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Cardinal – We’ve purchase two of the above ground this year ourselves and the difference has already been remarkable – I’ve got lousy clay to work with so these have made everything easier. Also took a covered sandbox the grandkids used but are now in another country, and drilled holes in the bottom to release excess water – and filled it with good soils etc and that too, is growing very well. Of course, the cover is off… :)

        • CardinalMo

          Thank you Jay for the information. I will give this a try too. Oh what do you know about compatible planting. Example: Garlic with roses. I need to find some information on this.
          One doesn’t hear or read to much about it these days. However, in the 90 it was fairly new. Maybe it didn’t work. Or Maybe it just didn’t get the coverage it needed.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, that issue you identified with compatible planting is at least in part addressed by this no till gardening system that I’m investigating. One of the features is to plant densely and allow some to go to seed so that the garden reseeds itself year to year. You continue to add compost to the places where you harvest so that you’re always adding back to the soil.

          • CardinalMo

            Kantrael, Thanks a bunch. I really appreciates the tips.

            Just e-mailed Mars that I am boycotting ALL GMO’s. This includes all of their candies and gums…can’t believe this has soy in to! I can’t believe I’m down to just veggies, fruits, a mutton. I managed to find some sardines which do not have soy in them. They were packed in tomato and from Mexico. I’ll tell you it sickens me that America cannot even be food independent any longer. I never saw such huge sardines in my life! I guess everyone else just catches the babies? Guess I’ll have to investigate this too.

            Well thanks again for the tips.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Jay, from my understanding clay is a valuable mineral resource that because of it’s make up plants can’t get access to. In my area it’s possible to plow up the clay and leave it exposed to freezing weather where it’ll be broken down into smaller pieces that the plants can then utilize. One other thing that I find works well: sea salt. I mix about one half teaspoonful to about one gallons of water and spray it directly on the plants. It works well.

  • Chuckleduck

    Very right on comments JAY. Agenda 21 is charging forward.

    • CardinalMo

      Jay, what is agenda 21 about? Have your read Agenda 21

      • Tom W.

        Oh yeah, the Geogia cow pasture! I almost forgot!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojyBTAuv8Uc

        • CardinalMo

          HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMsigh…No Tom, not what YouTube tells you it is. You have to look it up and read all of it. Give it a shot!

          • Tom W.

            It’s a modern day Stonehenge built by the New Age pagans gettin’ ready to welcome their castrated king! LOL!!!

          • CardinalMo

            I should have known Tom that you would throw another off topic distraction.

          • Tom W.

            And just what’s off topic about something that you brought up there Einstein?!!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Tom W. thanks for posting that link. I’ve watched this before. I’m going to keep this so the next time somebody says that there are no such things as a conspiracies I can show them this.

          • Tom W.

            Anytime my friend!

          • Tom W.

            It’s suspected that Ted Turner was the man who arranged for the erection of the stones Katrael!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. hmm…erection. Could that be one of those pillars of jealousy? That thing had to be expensive and I’m sure that Teddy boy could afford it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            You know how them phallic symbols are Katrael! LOL!!! Speakin of which, have you heard anything about this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOQsvOkkLq4, I highly recommend watching ALL related videos, GOOD STUFF!!! And if I’m not mistaken it was eddie or one of the libtards that turned me on to it!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I watched the primary video but I haven’t had time for any others yet. It would seem that these symbols can be found all across our country. Some have suggested that obelisks, such as the Washington Monument,are also phallic symbols.

  • CardinalMo

    Another thing Tom, I’ve been in the schools since the 1980 as a mom and later as teacher. The teachers do their teaching of morals. We call them values…but it is the same thing. I hate to tell you I’ve probably taught more values than I ever learned in any church. Public schools are a diverse community, therefore we do not hurt or confuse a child whose parents do not want their child to hear the bible. They have a right to not be taught Christianity in the PUBLIC school system. PUBLIC means for all of the people….not just Christian people. If Christians want their children to be Christian then I recommend taking the children to Church, and teaching them their religion at home.

    When was the last time you went to school? When was the last time you looked at the books, and prograns in the school? Teachers and principals are always working at teaching values. However, if a child’s parents do not teach their children values such as not stealing, lying, gossiping, hitting, bulling etc. we cannot change this, though we try. You see children have an ongoing bond with their parents which they have only for 9 months at school with a teacher. Teacher’s have to compete with drug/alcoholic parents, abusive parents, Violence and crime on TV and sometimes at home. Parents, I hate to say really do need to take some responsibility. But, even parents who do teach their children can have problems. Teachers can’t heal all the ills of our culture. Trust me we do our best to do just that one child at a time. We stay after school, we tutor, we continue our learning through trainings, classes, we make lesson plans for each child so that each child learns according to their strengths, or the methods which work best for the child. We now have larger classrooms, students with diverse disabilities, behavior problems and emotional problems. We stay up late, we get up early, we are thinking and calculating all day. We are solving human problems, battles. A very high percent gives teaching their best. We receive verbal abuse from parents, and their children (seems to hand in hand), disrespect, and in some cases threats, physical abuse and violence. Oh yes, then we teach subject matter between all of these other factors. and have meetings, afterschool activities, performances, sports, and a host of other activity. And the public and politicans, when they don’t have a clue, what it is really like inside a classroom banter, and swagger, and yell and argue, demeaning the profession of teaching.

    According to The Nation May 14, 2012 MetLIfe found among 3.2 million teachers a satisfaction drop of 59% the lowest since 1989. And, 1/3 are considering leaving their career. The government has made a mess out of education. But, I guess when you consider that teaching is the only disrespected profession besides lawyers and in which the profession of teaching has no control…you get a poor quality of education. Teachers are rarely asked what they think we should do to solve the problems in the schools.

    Learning is about much more than about test scores. Children from different social economic status learn according to their background knowledge. Some students come to school having been exposed to a broad vocabulary at home, so they are ahead and preform at or above grade lever. Some come to school having a difficult time with the most common words. Teachers cannot help the background or economic status of parents. We try to catch all children up to their grade level or above. But, in reality due to many factors some children do remain behind all the way through school. They do make progress, but some make it very slowly. That is not the teachers fault, or the parents, or the childs. Sometimes, that is just life no matter how much effort is applied.

    • Tom W.

      First of all, tai chi is no excuse for type O’s Grasshopper!!! Second being a teacher, you should KNOW all the BS Y’ALL have been shoving down our kids throats since the early 60′s, y’all have been tellin’ ‘em for 50 yrs. now that they’re merely animals who have evolved to the top of the food chain in this dog eat dog world!!! And now you can’t wonder why the young people are actin’ like animals!!! Well DUHHHH!!! We don’t want y’all teachin’ our children morals that don’t involve God!!! There’s A LOT of things that y’all are teachin’ our kids that you really have no business doin’! That’s a parent’s responsibility!!! Now I understand that there are a lot of children in our school system that either come from broken or single parent homes (Another casualty of THIS agenda!) and that they’re not gettin ‘the parental attention that they need, but that still doesn’t give y’all the right to usurp the parents of the children who do!!! I don’t want a gay teacher teachin’ my children anything, much less morals!!!

      • CardinalMo

        To Tom W. OK we’ll teach about God in school. We’ll teach your religion…but we have to teach Native American, Jewish, Moslem, Mormanism, Catholism, Buddaism, Taoism, etc. because all of these religions have a relationship to God. In other words you want everyone to be a Christian. You want American to not really have freedom of religion or freedom from your religion. Read Darwins complete theory of evolution which the public totally didn’t completely understand and still doesn’t. To tell the truth it has been proven that evolution does indeed happen. But, if anyone cares to read the small print, and think It really is not in conflict with the creation story of the bible. Interestingly I’ve met Christians who don’t even believe in dinosaurs…Amazing how closed minded people can be.

        It doesn’t seem that you understand what you read when reading and commenting on what others have written. I explained as honestly as I could about the experiences of teaching. You only are interested in quoting the bible. We do teach the three R…and then some, but reading and writing are done all day long. We also teach children to analize what they are reading…to ask questions, form opinions: written and spokne. How is one going to write, if they have no critical thinking abilities?

        Go back to college Tom..take a class or two better yet volunteer to help in a classroom..then you can criticize. we’ve all heard you trite quotes from others. But, then I guess your hero is the simpleton Art…with the goofy grin.

        • Tom W.

          You already teach about ALL other religions in school! Christianity is the ONLY one y’all are trying to ban moron!!! As a matter of fact a school in Boston took their kids on a field trip to a mosque and even joined in the prayers! Sodon’t give me any of your seperation BS!!!

          “My views are the result of a lifetime of inquiry and reflection and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruption of Christianity, I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be, sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others.” – Thomas Jefferson

          Put that in your PC pipe and smokeit CM!!!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Tom W., great point about the making of animals out of children. People just need to be sympathetic when those animals show up at their home and rape pillage and plunder…did I forget murder? According to this YHWH less system there is no good or bad there just is.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      CardinalMo, I was more than a little alarmed when I read the beginning of your comment. You said: “Another thing Tom, I’ve been in the schools since the 1980 as a mom and later as teacher. The teachers do their teaching of morals. We call them values…but it is the same thing. I hate to tell you I’ve probably taught more values than I ever learned in any church.” This could be frightening as there can be no certainty as to exactly what “morals” somebody is teaching my children. You may have the best morals or values on the planet but you should be honest to admit that the classroom is no place to be pontificating. The teachers need to teach skill and the parents need to teach morals.

      Would you like it if some teacher was teaching one of your children that it is okay to go around raping women for the sense of the power it gives?

      Someone might help me here because I don’t have a link to it to offer but I heard Fox News do a report on an incident in a Colorado high school some years ago where the school enforced a mandatory assembly where the speakers where promoting sexual and drug experimentation. The MSM didn’t report on it. We don’t need this in our schools.

      Then you go on to say that the classroom is no place to teach Christianity. I agree with that. So aren’t you being two faced? It’s not ok to teach Christianity but is ok to teach your brand of morals?

      Private schools, the church, the synagog, the home or any other appropriate place is where religious teaching belongs but not in the schools.

      I will say this: that it is appropriate to display things like the Ten Commandments in public places, like the court house, as this is the basic building blocks for our moral law and those places aren’t teaching institutions.

      “values such as not stealing, lying, gossiping, hitting, bulling etc.” These the school has a right to enforce but I don’t want the school to promote abortion or birth control to my children.

      Something that you said is completely correct: parents need to take responsibility and teach their children their values. We know that many parents won’t take an active role so they teach passively. What I mean is that they allow their children to learn morals and values from anyplace the child comes in contact with like out in the street.

      It is sad that teachers don’t get more respect than they do but since, as you pointed out, values are being taught in school, then didn’t the system bring this lack of respect onto itself? I’ll bet though that some teachers do get respect when they’ve earned it. Being a teacher doesn’t automatically qualify a person for respect. Is a teacher who is a bad teacher entitled to respect? Honor maybe but not respect.

      There’s a reason teachers aren’t asked how to solve anything because of the dictatorial nature of the system and they don’t want the teachers to interfere. Welcome to the indoctrination centers of the NWO for the OWG.

      • JeffH

        Katrael, :) …very, very well said.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          JeffH, thank you. You do very good work yourself.

      • Tom W.

        You my hero man!!! I saw that story also, and tried my best to find it Katrael, I Googled it everyway I could word it and nada!!! I wanted sooo bad to help you out here Bro! As you can see, she’s one tough cookie!!! Stale cookies usally are! LOL!!!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Tom W. I gotta say one thing for the woman, she at least can express herself intelligently even if she is wrong.

          That Fox report was something amazing. I listened over and over again to the recorded part they played and it was long enough that there was no doubt as to what the school was up to. It wasn’t just a sound bite either. Amazing what our modern indoctrination system gets away with.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I know I saw it also Bro!!! I can’t believe that there’s not hide nor hair of it to be found on the net, it’s out there, ya just have to know how to word your inquiry to get there! Maybe someone at FNC can help, I’ve dealt with them before tryin’ to get something to Glenn Beck, they’re pretty nice and helpful!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I’m lousy at remembering quotes although I can remember the gist of things. This creates a lot of work for me because I spend so much time trying to think of different ways to describe things. However, I believe that some of the information we look for, such as that Fox report, may have been purposely removed. This happens not only on the net but with publications such as encyclopedias. There are things contained in older encyclopedias that can no longer be found in the newer editions. Is it because something may not be relevant any longer or that nobody cares anymore so the publishers no longer feel the need to include it Sometimes and sometimes it’s so that people will no longer be educated about the history of what they believe. When I did a dictionary search on my computer about phallic it said nothing about the possibility that these types of symbols are satanic. This is also true about things like “Forward” and most people have no idea that this relates to communism/socialism/marxism.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I find it most interesting talkin’ to you Katrael, I very surprized with all the occult things goin’ on around us that more people don’t share our interest, although I would warn anybody who did, not to even consider it unless they know where they stand with Christ!!! One of the things that I’ve noticed in my study of the Freemasons is for one that the higher degrees are made up of some extremely intellegent folks!!! Too smart for their own good, but extremely intellegent none the less. As a matter of fact, you might even say that knowledge is one of their gods. Their signs and symbols are sacred to them thus whenever you notice one of their symbolls, it’s a sure sign of their presence! Architechture is extremely sacred to them. They call their god the “Supreme Architech of the Universe”. This is the WORLD’S LARGEST fraternal organization!!! Now look at all your world and state capitals, notice anything similar?! Now look at St. Peter’s Square!!! The Freemasons and the Catholics are supposed to be avowed adversaries?!! What’s goin’ on here?! Study the Jesuits and the Knights of Columbus, the Catholics have their own rite!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            As you pointed out Tom W. there is so much of it in our entertainment media and even in the schools (Blue Devils and so on) that nobody even pays much attention to it…at least not on the surface. Our lives are so frenetic and powerless that many secretly desire for power…like Harry Potter. Just think of all the good you can do for yourself and family if you had just a fraction of that type of power? That’s the attraction for many and for others it’s what kind of evil they can perpetrate onto others… perhaps for revenge.

            I got invited twice to become a Freemason. That was enough to make me shiver. Of course most will agree that there isn’t anything wrong with that organization after all, wasn’t George Washington a Freemason?

            I wish that I could really speak intelligently about all of these organizations but I can say that I’ve heard of them and know that they are all connected somehow. Different manifestations of the same thing?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            I might add here that even the Boy Scout oriented organization, The Order of the Arrow, must have some ties with the Masons? One of the Masons that approached me knew that I was a Scout Master back in the days and somehow he knew that I was a member of the Order and he said to me, “if you like the Order of the Arrow you’d like the Masons. You should consider joining.” The Order has it’s symbols, different handshakes for different levels, secret signals between members and everyone who reaches the top gets a new name.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Tom W. maybe Fox was forced to scrap that report. It sure was a damning revelation.

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  • Smithkowitz

    We seem to be more concerned in society, with the avoidance of stepping on the toes of others, rather than teaching children and adults to walk through life and learn from our experiences. We seem to want Robots not Humans . . . .

  • Carol Fryer

    Government has purposely created fair haired children to give special rights to for the purpose of battering the rest of us with law suits and destruction of free speech , even the speech protected by the constitution. This is by design and fits into the overall plan of human rights. It ushers us more into that one world agenda slowly. Like frogs in a pot of water on the stove ready to cook and oblivious. Quite some time ago I looked up the earth charter and that stuck in my mind and never left my heart. Once you know what the UN is planning it sticks to your guts. Problem is you are kind of in the dark, watching results but not seeing whats coming. Then one day you wake up and find out most of your nations government is owned by the international thugs. They are just fighting about which faction will run the show, the corporate or the government. But they are already married, just look at how successful the lobbyists are in Washington. Now apply that on an international scale, and we are doomed. Revelations 18 speaks of the fall of Babylon, the great world financial system. She worked with government. All laws were on her side. She bought governments and in return made them rich. Sound familiar?

  • blackwingA520

    People! quit arguing about Paul and Romney. Romney wasn’t my first choice but Paul can’t win and a vote for him would just be a vote for Obummer and the socialists and the end of America. So let’s get our S*** together and vote ABO (anybody but Obama!)

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear blackwingA520,

      You write: “Paul can’t win and a vote for him would just be a vote for Obummer and the socialists and the end of America.” This is a false argument. I address this tomorrow. Look for my column, Ron Paul’s Stealth Campaign.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Well I’ll bet Mitt’s just a shakin’ in those high dolllar wing tips of his Bob! LOL!!!

        http://twitpic.com/84itos

  • Smithkowitz

    Paul could win, if people voted for him . . . . , if we follow the plan outlined by the two parties that are essentially one in the same, Yes, he will lose. Are we Followers or Leaders as citizens? Do we lead OUR elected officials to deliver what we want, or do we let them (who we employ) lead us down roads we do not want to travel?

    • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

      I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 even though I knew he wouldn’t win because the Globalist will either elect Romney or Obama just like they did with Obama in 2008 the same for George Bush Sr. & Jr. ,, I will still vote for Ron again for his principals of protecting the constitution, I would have better odds winning the Lottery than Ron Paul is elected President, but then again miracles are also possible

  • Tom W.

    “A knowledge of things to come should give every believer a burden for people. For the way of escape from these things is the Rapture, and the requirement to qualify for the Rapture is acceptance of the Messiah now. A true student of prophecy will not simply stop with the knowledge of things to come. Rather, this knowledge will create the strong burden to preach the gospel to others and thereby give them a way of escape.”
    Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, from his book – “The Footsteps of the Messiah”
    No One Knows the Exact Hour
    “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels in heaven, but my Father only.” – Matt. 24:36
    But We are Commanded to Know the Signs
    “Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I unto you I say unto all, Watch.” – Mark 13:33-37
    “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safty; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of the light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others, but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.” – I Thess. 5:1-10
    “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?” – II Peter 3:8-12
    The Rapture
    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36
    “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethern, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which remain alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” – I Thess. 13-18
    “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?” – I Cor. 15:51-55 Signs of the Times
    “But as the days of No’e were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” – Matt. 24:37
    “They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were givien in marriage, until the day that No’e entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he that shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot’s wife.” – Luke 17:27-32
    “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.” – Gen. 6:11
    “Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you. Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” – James 5:1-8
    (excessively lengthy post shortened)

    • Smithkowitz

      “(excessively lengthy post shortened)” yay . . . . .

    • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

      Looks like you expressed several great impacting Biblical statements along with your other comments about marshal law in which I agree and aware of too but I was wondering why you made a comment for one of the may 7th post about the one world government could be a good thing for mankind, that statement conflicts with your beliefs. I don’t understand even with your gifted knowledge how could you support the NWO, are you aware that the one world government represents the devil’s objective to all mankind domination and doe’s this mean you would accept the mark,you know the RFID chip ?
      Remember Benjamin Franklin’s quote ” They who would give up an essential Liberty for temporary security deserve neither Liberty or security “

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Benjamin Franklin’s quote ” They who would give up an essential Liberty for temporary security deserve neither Liberty or security ” That’s a great quote Robbie Borot

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

          You do know that Franklin was a Freemason, not only a Freemason, but a drinkin’ buddy with Voltaire’ and a member of London’s imfamous Hell’s Fire Club?!! I think that explains his nude airbaths in open windows of his residences! LOL!!!

          http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/hellfire_club.htm

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., boker tov. I still think that the Benjamin Franklin quote is a good one although I don’t necessarily think that Ben was a good man. I understand that not only did he have a proclivity towards those things you mentioned but that he had several children that he never claimed as his. Maybe just rumors? As to nudity. I don’t see anything wrong with it as long as it’s not done publicly. I enjoy airbaths and sunbaths and find that these are mood elevators. As for the Freemasons? Well, I’m not sure they were the same group then that they are now but I don’t know for sure? I’ll check your link out. Anyway be well and prosper and may YHWH bless according to His good will.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            LOL!!! Brother Katrael They were done publicly right in the front widows of his London and Philidelphia Victorian Mansions! Don’t get wrong please! I know all about the Masonic ties to our founders, I just wonder WHY it is such a JEALOUSLY guarded secret! I understand Ben’s contributions to the founding of our country, I just wonder why his and other founders ties to Freemasonry are so vehemently denied?!! George Washington for example, while an admitted Mason is said to have had VERY miniscule involvement with the craft. Yet ole’ George was a Master Mason for Alexandria Lodge #22 up THROUGH the time of his inauguration as president and was buried according to full Masonic honors, save the fact that the pallbearers were all from his home lodge. http://gwmemorial.org/washingtonTheMason.php, Is this NOT the secret society that JFK was warning us about?!!

            President Ulylsses S. Grant once said, “All secret, oathbound, political parties are dangerous to any nation.”, while John Quincy Adams, after a short investigation otf the Craft, declared; “I saw a code of Masonic legislation adapted to prostrate every principle of equal justice and to corrupt every sentiment of virtuous feeling in the soul of him who bound his allegence to it. I saw the practice of common honesty, the kindness of Christian benevolence, even the abstinence of atrocious crimes, limited exclusively by lawless oaths and barbarous penalties, to the social relations between the Brotherhood and the Craft. I saw slander organize into a secret, widespread and affiliated agentcy…. I saw self-involked imprecations of throats cut from ear to ear, of hearts and vitals torn out and cast off and hung on spires. I saw wine drunk from a human skull with solemn invocation of all the sins of owner upon the head of him who drank it.”

            Freemasonry is witchcraft in it’s oldest, purest form and OUR government is saturated in it and always has been since our conception! As far as the Ten Commandments go, WE as a nation are 0-2 after the FIRST two! REPENT AND BEG MERCY !!!

            “The wicked will be turned into hell, and all nations that forget God.” – Psalm 9:17 (KJV)

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. It sounds as if John Quincy Adams had nothing good to say about the Masons and the only thing I can say about their secrecy is: there is nothing to hide if you’re not doing something you need to hide. I understand that what the early initiates(what ever they are called) see is different from what goes on at the highest levels? It makes you wonder what was on our founding father’s agenda when they did set this country up? Were they directly serving Satan or were they merely deceived about the Masons and their plans? Somehow I can’t envision any of them doing the direct will of Satan. Maybe it doesn’t make any difference at this stage of the game? I read that piece about GW. I’ve seen pictures of him in his Mason’s regalia. I have no first hand knowledge of the Mason’s and their ceremonies except for what I’ve read in places and it’s possible that what I read was nothing but disinformation.

          • truesoy

            No, he was not relly anti-mason. He position was just political grandstanding as he opposed Andrew Jackson, and wanted to bring him down.
            Politics as usual, not much different from today.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, lelah tov et kelev godolcha. I take it you know that Andrew Jackson was a Mason then? I don’t know that right now so I don’t have anything to go on. Care to share your information? On the other hand my comment still stands as posted, apparently John Quincy Adams didn’t have anything good to say about the Masons and if you know that he did have something good to say about the Masons would you mind sharing that with the the rest of us? Shalom, Katrael

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Sounded pretty anti-Mason to me truesoy, although I will say, I’ve heard that there have only been two presidents who weren’t Masons, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy, both assassinated and both conspiracy theories involve the Masons! So again, there we are, IN THE DARK!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmT6udys8Tc

            You know Jerry Garcia was QUITE the philosopher! His ONE mistake; He followed the wrong god home!!! But still QUITE the philosopher, DEEPER THAN OSAMA’S BONES! I wonder if either of them are grateful now?!!
            How ’bout a little preachin’ from Brother Henly?! Let’s see if anyone is listenin’ Don, this one is goes out TO the choir!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjBvxyEAyos

          • truesoy

            yes, it sounds anti-mason, just as Romney is against the healthcare reform he originally instituted. Again, politics as usual.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            Word for the day truesoy; Collectivisim, who are the collectivists in our government?! They’re on both sides of the aisle, as a matter of fact, we’ll have one runnin’ against another for president! NO WONDER THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON5D6Wkprw

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            thanks for the extra info history of the masons that reminds me of the skull & bones that the bush family and other politicians are still a member of,

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            I believe that Fremasonry is the great mystery religion of Bible prophecy. (Rev. ch.17) Some claim that this represents the Catholic Church, but Freemasonry itself proudly boasts of their enlightenment due to the study of the ancient “mystery religions”! If my suspicions are correct there’s a lot more of a connection between the Papacy and Freemasory than the animosity that they both so openly display!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            TOM IT HAPPENED AGAIN MY COMMENTS WERE SWIPED BEFORE I COULD FINISH. THIS IS REALLY MAKING ME PISSED,MAYBE IT’S MY KEYBOARD, I WONDER IF THE NSA DOESN’T WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW I WILL TRY AGAIN THIS MAY TAKE A WHILE

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

            PATIENCE Robbie! Whenever you feel like you’re gettin’ ready to LOSE it, take it to the Lord in prayer!!! LISTEN to Brother AJ!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=algtgu5Y_XE

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            WELL TOM IT’S OFFICIAL NOW I KNOW THE ASSOCIATES OF THE NWO OR THE NSA IS TAKING OVER MY PAGE FOR THE 3rd TIME. I SPENT OVER A HOUR AND A HALF WRITING DOWN HEAVY INFO FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT JUST DISAPPEARED WHILE TYPING, SO MAYBE MY EX GIRLFRIENDS DREAMS WILL COME TRUE WHEN THE UN SOLDERS HENCHMEN MAY TAKE ME AWAY TO BE POSSIBLY TORTURED OR KILLED. YOU KNOW EVERYONE’S BLOGS ARE READ AND FED IN TO A SUPER COMPUTER IN SOUTH AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE U.K.,THAT IS HOW THE FOREIGN TROOPS WILL DECIDE ON WHAT COLORED LIST ALL INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ON WHEN AMERICANS ARE ROUNDED UP DURING MARSHAL LAW.I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW REAL QUICK BEFORE THIS POST IS HIJACKED AGAIN ABOUT THE PART IN THE MAY 7 TH POST THAT YOU MENTIONED WHICH WOULD MAKE ANYONE THINK YOU SUPPORTED THE NWO IS WHEN YOU SAID THE OWG WOULD WORK FOR THE PEOPLE,ONE OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE WOULD SURELY BE WORKING ALRIGHT AS FORCED LABORERS IN A FEMA PRISON DETENTION CAMPS WHICH ARE HUNDREDS OF THEM IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE THERE TO PROCESS EVERY ONE WHEN THE ECONOMY COLLAPSE AT FULL CAPACITY. WE ARE SO RUNNING OUT OF TIME GET READY TO PREPARE, DID YOU LOOK UP THE PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS BILL CLINTON SIGNED IN 1994? THESE MONSTERS WILL TAKE EVERY THING INCLUDING EVERY ONES CAR BOAT, AIRPLANE AND CELL PHONE COMPUTER, ECT. TRY NOT TO WONDER IF I’M ONE OF THOSE ARROGANT ONES THAT THINKS NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE U.S. ,RU KIDDING ME, I WARN PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND IT SEEMS LIKE ONLY A FEW BELIEVE WHAT IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF AND THE REVELATIONS WARNS US, SO TOM I THINK WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. AMERICA IS A SINKING SHIP IF WE STAY ON IT WE WILL ALL DROWN EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO CHOOSE THE 666 RIFD CHIP, THEY WON’T DROWN JUST BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE. FOR ALL THAT BELIEVES IN THE SONS OF LIBERTY HERE IS ANOTHER QUOTE FROM PATRIC HENRY ” GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH “

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            OF COURSE I KNEW BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WAS A FREE MASON JUST LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS A MASON. JUST BECAUSE I USED HIS STATEMENT TO EXPRESS MY POINT DOESN’T MEAN I FAVOR MASONS , ….. BY GIVING UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR TEMPORARY SECURITY IN TODAY’S GENERATION WOULD MEAN A PERSON WOULD GIVE UP THEIR LIBERTIES AND ACCEPT THE MARK IN WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESIDE AT THE FEMA PRISON CAMPS THAT HAVE BEEN EVERY WHERE IN THE U.S. FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW PROVIDED BY THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT THAT YOU THINK IS OK. ……. GO AHEAD GOGGLE FEMA CAMPS AND WHILE YOUR AT IT GOGGLE THE PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT BILL CLINTON SIGNED INCLUDING THE OTHER PRESIDENTS FOR 1994, THEN ASK YOURSELF ARE YOU ON THE RED,,BLUE, OR YELLOW LIST…. LOL

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Dear Robbie, sometimes I don’t do a very good job of clarifying myself, but I don’t EVER recall saying that I would support a one world government (NWO) unless that government was a reflection of our government, of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE! A government that would extend those certain unalienable rights to ALL humanity, those rights that come ONLY from God and thus are UNCHALLANGEABLE and IRREVERSEABLE!!! I FULLY understand what the one they are trying to push down our throats is all about; What’s wrong with our world, what’s wrong with our country, and what’s wrong with our economy? How is it that the one time world economic leader is now on the verge of being reduced to third-world country status? How is it our president is now seeking assistance for our struggling economy from the countries where we allowed big business to send our jobs in their quest for $14 a day labor? We should have told them back then to pack up and take their corporate headquarters also! Maybe you’re one of those arrogant folks who say that will never happen to our great nation. I’ve got news for you guys, it’s happening! If the U.S. Dollar (Which J.P. Morgan/ Stanley is now comparing strength-wise to the Mexican Peso.) is ever allowed to be replaced as the world standard currency, we will be a sovereign nation no longer. We will have become a member of the New World Order. Maybe you’re one of those who say that it’s about time, but before you go jumping on that one-world bandwagon and buy yourself a Rosetta-stone C.D. to learn to speak Mandarin Chinese, please stop and consider that we are the only nation on the face of this Earth that was ever founded on the principle that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (The three words our president had trouble remembering when quoting this line, although to his credit, he finally did get it right when addressing our troops in Afghanistan shortly after Thanksgiving the year before last.) with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That’s not by the power of some king, queen, chairman, czar, dictator, imam, act of congress, or senate, but by our Creator! Which makes these rights undeniable! Is there a higher order to be sought? I think not! The New World Order won’t know anything about We the People, but will be of the elites, by the elites, and for the elites. The rest of us that they allow to live will simply be their slaves. Wanna see their agenda in a lapidary nutshell, in their materia sacra? Simply read the “Georgia Guidestones.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojyBTAuv8Uc) I know what St. Patrick would have done. Study “Crom Curauch” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3joJU4gvs) to find out, and the true story behind St. Pattys’ Day and why it’s more than a worthy holiday to be celebrated.
        If this posts as dawgbisquit1, I’m not trying to mimic Flustdouche and be incognito, LOL!!! It’s a glitch with my Gravitar account!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

      People heed this warning

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Good to have ya on board Brother Robbie!!!

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  • Danny Hopkins

    Michael J__well said about John Wayne in the shootist….that we as Christians live in seemingly exciting times, can often be out-shadowed by temporal realities that paint a frightening picture of the near future. preparation guru`s are all too eager to sell their products and advice, un-like the author of this article and publisher of this site who frequently shares helpful and profitable reports and tips to his readers, at no cost, for which i am grateful….we are a nation that has been duped, to the point of departing from the Almighty God who has blessed us richly, who we hardly know or worship anymore and as a nation, raise a hostile and ignorant fist up to. if there is any point to my comment, it`s this, the godless elite and their blind minions “do the works of their father”, satan. they lie, murder, steal and destroy, strategize and conspire for power and wealth. theyr`e climbing a ladder to a hole in the ground, or die on it to be picked clean by the birds of the air. proverbs 21:30 says, ” there is no wisdom, nor understanding, nor council, against God”….and we`re still kicking against the goads.

    • CardinalMo

      To Danny Hopkins. Well we can sit back and continue to complain or we can take some actions. Short of going to war with our own governemmt, we really need to bug all of the senators, governors, congressman, like crazy on issues. Obviously they must know we are on to them.

      I get all kinds of mail conservative and liberal…I want to see, read, continue learning from more than one perspective. Because, I received mail from diverse organizations I have had the opportunity to Donate to Organic Consumers Fund. This group is collecting money for the Fight or the right to have GMO”S labelled in the state of California. They are calling for Food Democracy….We have a right to know what we are eating as a fundamental right to life. Caliornia will have quite a battle going on come November. The initave will appear on their ballot. If California can win the battle against Monsanto, there are going to be eventually a lot of changes in the food industry.

      Other states have attempted already to have food labels. But, Monsanto threatens the state reps with a law suit and then the reps backoff and let the issue drop. We can not let this happen again. California will need money to fight Monsanto in court. Monsanto does not want labelling of GMO foods because there plenty of people who 1) don’t know about GMO’s, 2,) They don’t care 3) They don’t read the labels. The products nearly all now contain GMO’s from pasta, bread, soda, gum, candy, tuna, and a list of about 47, 000 products and counting. I’ll give the address for donations. Maybe livingston will post it on this site.

      Here is the address: One can send check, money order, or pay on line.

      Organic Consumers Fund
      6711 South Silver Hill Drive
      Finland, MN 5503

      Today I received a petition to the government to write an amendment to the constitution regarding the amount of donations make to the candidates… This was from Public Citizen who lost in the Supreme Court the right for only people to be considiered entities and not corporations. It will be very interesting to what happens to this issue.

  • LindyMaeUSA

    Dear Bob,

    Thank God, you’ve finally stepped out of the “Politically Correct” mode, the hedging around and avoiding THE TRUTH of what’s happened and will continue happening to our beloved Country! In fact, I’m so shocked by your point-blank comments, information and “identifying” the rats, crooks, thieves and liars responsible for our beautiful Country’s demise that I can hardly believe you’ve actually written and printed that information!

    No offense to you fellow Conservative patriot, but “perhaps” if you (and many others who knew/know the TRUTH) had “spoken up” a lot sooner, “We, the People” may have been able to do more to prevent our America from being raped and subdued by the NWO, Banksters and other demons who are now drooling and licking their evil lips in delicious anticipation of what I believe THEY have planned to subjugate and rule for CENTURIES!

    I also read Gerome Corsi’s “The Late Great U.S.A.” in 2007 and cried my eyes out in agonizing shock and gut-wrenching disbelief, followed by John Perkins’ “Confessions of an Economic Hit-Man” which led me to the eventual resignation of: “It is, what it is!”

    Bob, I’m not a pessimist or a fatalist . . . I’m a REALIST and as I’ve watched the step-by-step destruction of all that America has been for 235 years, I resigned myself to her death in every sense of the word back in 2008 when the demon ovomit was HANDED the most powerful political position in the world!

    The satanic demons of this world (Ephesians 6) are dragging her down inch-by-inch and when America falls, the rest of this planet will topple like a stack of domino’s because America is the “biggey” and satan’s army knows it!

    I’ve been a world traveller the past thirty years and have seen how almost all other countries have “imitated” our beloved America in many ways, but none of them could ever “duplicate” her because she has been and always will be the epitome of reverence for the One True GOD and FREEDOM throughout the world!

    Evil demons from the pits of Hell be advised: No amount of “governance” or subjugation will ever remove God or my beloved Country from my heart and spirit!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear LindyMaeUSA,

      You write: “Thank God, you’ve finally stepped out of the “Politically Correct” mode, the hedging around and avoiding THE TRUTH of what’s happened and will continue happening to our beloved Country!” I’m not sure where you’ve been, but I have never been in the “politically correct mode.” I have been writing these things in a printed newsletter since 1969 (www.boblivingstonletter.com, subscription required) and here since late 2008.

      You write: “In fact, I’m so shocked by your point-blank comments, information and “identifying” the rats, crooks, thieves and liars responsible for our beautiful Country’s demise that I can hardly believe you’ve actually written and printed that information!” Stay tuned. There is more to come.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • LindyMaeUSA

        Dear Bob,

        Regretfully, I did not know about your Newsletter otherwise, I would have followed your comments more faithfully. However, I have posted a number of your articles on Face Book plus copied same to fellow patriots.

        Thank you and indeed: I WILL “stay tuned!”

        Kind regards,

        Lindy Mae :-)

        “Those who will not be governed by God, will be ruled by tyrants.” ~William Penn

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Great quote LindyMaeUSA

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        I ditto that LinyMaeUSA!!!

  • don

    seems we get stuck with the same thing of trying to get the usa into the new world order thing. ron paul would ahve been like a road block with his ideals on the constitution. the big money has the power and influence to manipulate voters with their beauty padgent like elections and most voters fall for it. i’ve seen this thing coming ever since the first bush president. that radio show host chuck harder went deep into it.. we’ve had 4 elections since and were still getting the same type of candidate. paul was the only different one who did’nt fit the plan. they’ve pushed him out and we’re stuck with the same in both parties. i almost think if he got in the way he’d have been snuffed like kennedy. kennedy wanted too do away with the fed. i have a feeling it was’nt the mob or communists who di it. big bankers and money did it. too bad the info that is to be released won’t be till after all of us in that time are dead. lets get the freedom of information act to release it. they’re afraid that the outfits who did it are still around and it would cause a stir in my age group. they also said jackie knew but sh feared for her and her kids. caroline kennedy knows too. we wanna know. the people who are taking over now did it i’d bet.

    • CardinalMo

      To Bob Livingston: Right….perhaps capitalistic Corporations and governemtf totalitarianism for the rest of us.

      • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

        YES IT LOOKS THAT WAY THE DEVIL’S ADVOCATES AND THEIR MINIONS EVEN LEAVES THEIR TRADE MARKS ON THE ONE DOLLAR BILL AS YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW

  • http://www.cafr1.com/ GrayStroke

    This little jewel should explain why F&F is ignored.
    http://tinyurl.com/7qv9syx
    and no voter ID from Eric ‘the enabler’ Holder.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

    Is your lamp trimmed and BURNIN’?!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not LOOKIN’ up (Luke 21:28), you SURELY to GOD must be BLIND!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) Surely you don’t want to be TOLD to go hang out with the GOATS!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) Keep your eyes on the skies, JESUS IS COMIN’! He LOVES y’all and so do I!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

      Tom it appears that you did not answer my question that I sent to you yesterday evening, your recent reply you sent me is the same you sent someone else on a older post. I asked you about your statement you made on a different post to someone else about why you had thought the One World Government would benefit us, if you still think the OWG is for the people then you may want to make sure your lamp is trimmed and not burning blindly in your eyes and mind then waking up to find one’s self with the goats. OWG + NWO = they OWN U …. there are several areas on the one dollar bill where it’s marked with clues if you know where to look. There will be many that will think they are walking in the light of God’s path when the path is leading them to the broad path of destruction, anybody can take the Bible for granite to say they are a christian and ask for forgiveness knowing that they are about to sin again and again. Those that are left behind during the seven years of trials and tribulation will be many that will be even more tested than now in order to to make it to God’s kingdom,and since the Devil’s evil principalities of the air is getting more intense as time moves on I hope that I’m not drawn in to hang out with the goats. I found out several years ago that there are residents in Spain that already have the mark in their right hand,so in case you don’t already know if you take this RFID chip you have served the devil and would spend eternity in Hell. Mean While I will continue to keep my eyes in the sky because I love to see things that some don’t and this includes my 8 ” celestron telescope. ………… take care Tom hope I see you on the other side

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I did send you a response Robbie! I would LOVE to see the quote of mine that you took that asumption from because I spend ALL my time PREACHIN’ about what is gettin’ ready to come upon the WHOLE world Robbie!!! I have never made a statement in favor of the NWO and have tirelessly been trying to get people to open their eyes and SEE what is coming! Robbie the manufacturer of the RFID chip or “Verichip” is a company in Delray Beach, FL. When they first started implanting these chips in the old folks at the assisted care facilities around that area, they claimed that the reason was because a lot of these patients suffered from alzheimer’s and if they happened to wander away from the facility, these devices would make them easy to find. Sound good right?! Well at the same time, GE is going around the country to ALL of our hospitals and installing the equipment needed to read these devices!!! WHY?!

        http://www.dailypaul.com/105079/microchiping-included-in-healthcare-bill

        • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

          I WAS TRYING TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT WHEN JUST AS I WAS TRYING TO FINISH UP FROM A LONG TYPING SESSION THE PAGE DISAPPEARED, I HOPE BIG BROTHER DIDN’T SCREW THAT UP FOR ME AND IT LOOKS LIKE I GOT A LONG WAY TO GO TO GET CAUGHT UP IN READING ALL THE LIBERTY ALERT REPLYS, #%&* IT, TO CHECK WHAT YOU WROTE ABOUT THE NWO SCROLL ALMOST TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE FOR MAY 7, 2012 AT 12:10 PM AND READ THE FIRST SENTENCE WHEN YOU WERE DISAGREEING WITH CARDNAL MO, IF YOU CAN’T FIND IT LET ME KNOW AND I WILL WRITE TO YOU WORD FOR WORD WHAT YOU WROTE. IT IS GETTING LATE I’M TOO TIRED TO START THE LETTER ALL OVER AGAIN. I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU SOONER OR LATER ON THIS AND BY THE WAY THE RIFD CHIPS HAVE BEEN INSERTED FOR ALL PEOPLE OF AGE GROUPS INCLUDING ANIMALS UP TO BOA CONSRICTORS ……. TAKE CARE

  • http://www.facebook.com/scott.volentine Scott Volentine

    I do respect your insight into the evolution of our social and political evolution. I learned several new things from this article, but I just wanted to say that there was one major point I disagree with you on. You throw out the term Socialism just as an empty talking point, and your audience is the people who already understand Socialism through a negative connotation, but I cannot fathom how this mindset could continue through the cognitive dissonance it creates. Because Socialism, as you can tell from the word, is a perspective focused around society–people. And who would deny that the most important thing in the world is people, is our community? Without those around us, we would be nothing.

    So of course you think Capitalism is the one true perspective. But how can capitalism lead to anything but the dehumanization of those in our society? It’s a perspective that is based around capital–around money. The movement of these green rectangles and metallic circles is not that important, especially when you don’t have anyone to love. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs puts Belongingness at the third tier, just above physiological needs like food and shelter, and Security. Capitalism makes it so that the only way to acheive the bottom two tiers of the hierarchy of needs is by getting a job and making money. Fortunately, we have socialist policies already in place that guarantee the bottom tier, so Capitalism has been gradually losing its hold since basically the Great Depression. And so what Socialism wants to do is to ensure the second tier of the hierarchy of needs so that we can focus on the third tier, which is definitely more important. The fourth and fifth tier are even more important, but how could anyone acheive self realization and even self actualization without any help from people? Money does not in any way influence the top two tiers; it simply gets in the way and makes it more difficult. Capitalism wants us to dwell in the bottom two tiers, socialism simply wants to elevate people higher.

    The world is evolving, and although it is hard to accept change, you must begin changing by changing your mind.

    • CardinalMo

      Scott you gave a very good depection of capitalism vs socialism. It is quite obvious to me that Capitalism is unsustainable as an economic system. Profit for the sake of profit has created the situation of instability as all markets look for new makets, and continue to make cheap unnecessay poroducts which are taking their toil upon the environment. How many years will it be until the entire system of water is contaminated by plactics, oil, radiation, and chemicals. Already there are a number of fish in the rivers and the sea that we should not eat. If we had been need based, respectful of our environment, respectful of people vs profit based business values only, we would not have such a problem on our hands to deal with.

    • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

      5/19/12, Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money. You destroy the quest for excellence when you’re guaranteed a baseline standard of living. It doesn’t pay to bust your ass for severely diminishing returns. Socialism has failed wherever it was tried. BO will fail, ultimately, Nov., 6.

      • CardinalMo

        To pweiters9

        That is because the structure of our cultures, and values have not changed. In other words we continue to be stuck in an elitism which began when people began to build empires. And we have not moved from that spot as a species. We know no other way other than to be told what to do and when to do it. The masses always seem to worry about survival in some form. It doesn’t matter if it’s socialism, Capitalism, or communism…all of these systems are too old to continue to work and they are all led by a lack of respect for life…or the right to life. We are so into the Darwinian “survival of the fittest” mind frame that we forget what life is about.

        We, in the last 70 years have destroyed more varieties of life on this planet than we have through our entire human existence. We know this, yet we continue down our path of intense destruction. Look around the world at all of the damage that has been caused in the name of higher profits. Look at the numbers of individuals who have lost their moral compass due to that profit incentive. What is happening in Capitalism is the struggle for the lower, and middle class to compete with the elites. When only 30% of Americans of all ages own their own home…something is grossly wrong with that system.

        I’m coming to a space in thinking that perhaps the matriarchal socialism the Native Americans had was much more just and fair for people than our Western thought systems. The western mind has been set in materialism…and anything and everything is for sale e.g. our environment, our health, our mental states, our air, our waters, our soil, our right to food, our rights to spend continuing and quality time with our families, friends, and interacting in our communities. We have given up the dignity of the individual in order to perform for “bosses:…(hum..slave masters?) It’s probably too late now to make any healthy rational changes in how we live. We’ve a hole in the boat and it’s sinking, but we are addicted to the party…so the band plays while we go down…totally ignoring our demise. We are suicidal, for we wait for some “authority” to tell us when to jump.

        If you really analyse it there is not really a lot of difference between socialism, capitalism, communism for the cultures which emerge are all based upon aggression, taking from others through exploitation, abuse, and destruction.

        As time passes I consider the way the American Indians lived. Certainly life was not perfect for them either, but they were content to care about their Creator, the animals, the plants, the water, and the air. They were content to possess only what was needed for the well being and survival of humanity into the future. They could not conceive of the ownership of water, or land…after all it was The Creator’s gift, equally, to all the people. I think that is a pretty good starting place actually for considering alternative forms of governments, and economics.

        What is Capitalism leaving for future generations? A planet with an ocean of contaminated fish, engineered food products full of poisons, waters which are contaminated with a cocktail of medicines, poisons, human waste, industrial waste, and our throw away trash. We have no respect for any of life…if we did we would not continue to destroy everything around us. We would not except industry manipulating us into accepting this massive destruction for the sake of the few who make billions and drag society from one toy to another.

        Ok..it’s very early in the morning…and a may be rattling on a bit. I should probably write a book in order to clarify my thinking more clearly. We have so many issues which never seem to come to a conclusion. The bottom line is we are going to have to change in a big hurry…and save what we have left…if it’s not to late already.

        • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

          5/19/12, Environmentalism is the avocation of elite losers. Well now, what do I mean by that? Simply put, those proverbial black sheep who cannot be trusted with the family business.

          No one ever said [we] should pillage & lay waste the Earth’s resources & bounty; it’s a fact of life that we must all eat other living things. The natural cycle of life stipulates all species come & eventually go extinct. This includes Mankind, as other humanoids have done.

          Meanwhile, the Indians didn’t have the technology we now have to improve our lot. Go back to the Neanderthal era; contrary to the modern colloquialism towards someone we don’t like, they were quite sophisticated for their time.

          Ever watch “Life After People” on Discovery & such? It’s pointless. If there’s nobody left, who will care what happens?

          Right now, we have an administration opposed to all practical energy sources & wants to take us there. ~~ BO&Co must exit Nov.,6. :{>

          • CardinalMo

            Excuse me…but what have we really done with our technology? It is really ego centric to believe that our way is the only way. First we have to consider our needs and quit focusing on our toys. Ancient China, and Ancient Greece and even the “savage” societies of Mexico greater accomplishments than we had until about 100 years ago. It has taken our best scientists a very long time to understand how the pyramids were built, the the cycles of the universe, that the sun was the center of the solar system. These people did not need all of the gadgets we need to survive. They accomplished the balancing of their needs with the needs of nature. The American Indians on the west coast performed tooth implants made out of sea shell. They regulated their fishing and had limits on what could be taken. They did not kill off the herds of buffalo, deer, elk, wolves, coyote,

            Would you rather your great grand children never eat a fish due to all of the toxins in the sea? Would you rather have all of the lands mined, damaged, depleted of nutrients, contaminated…in order to provide for only a generation or two? Well I guess back in the 70′s we could have decided to not protect the air, water, soil. We could have continued to perform above ground testing, continued building nuclear bombs, could have let the steel mills, chemical companies and other industries continue to contaminate the air and water of major cities in America. But, we tried to correct the errors of our fathers and grandfathers the best that we could. Now China is following the same path we had taken.

            The results of the efforts made by environmental regulation were that the eagle has not yet become extinct, the grey wolf, bears, and many other life forms exist which would by now be gone.

            Sure the sun will someday die, earth will die, we will die, the entire universe will die. But, the only death which will be our doing is the death of the earth. We cannot control all events on the earth or the universe but, we can control what we do. We can learn to live more simply and without the excess of consumption…the throw away products, the really needless junk which is only good for one season

            America has become like an alcoholic addicted to our pleasures above our basic needs. America and now day the globe is committing a slow suicide and having a party while doing so. The party is in a frenzied state without concern for the consequences of the morning’s reality.

            What do you believe our greatest inventions are? I certainly will concede that some of technology has greatly helped the daily life of people. And, I do appreciate the ability to communicate with people on the internet who think like I do…and those who oppose what I think. Sometimes it is easier to communicate in writing to a stranger that speaking personally and face to face..because sometimes we all become more concerned about making our point rather than listening.

            Have a nice Sunday. Will you be able to see the solar eclipse where you live?

          • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

            5/20/12, Hello again, Card. It seems I’ve caught yet another enviro/communist out to destroy modern man. How far back are you willing to go to achieve your worldview? Would you sell your computer, let some hack put seashell implants in your mouth, live in a mud hut or igloo, depending on where you live? What about electricity, oil, nuclear, coal; would you eschew modern industry— just what do you do for a living anyhow? Always a pleasure, Cardinal~~:{>

          • CardinalMo

            To pweiters9 Sure I’d sell my computer, sure I’d go without electric. I’ve used out houses, I’ve watched butter be made, and cows milked by hand, I’ve had well water, hung clothes on the line, washed clothes by hand, kept my food cold without a refreg. and cooked without a stove. I’ve walked a mile to work, I’ve walked a mile to the grocery store and carried home several bags of groceries. I’ve had bear meat, deer meat, elk, turtle. pheasant, alligator, frog legs, and rabbits. I have drank the waters from fresh springs, and I have bathed in a lake and a river. I’ve been fortunate, I guess, to live many lives…in one little lifetime. Nature certainly can provide for us…If we let her. I never felt healthier, happy, stronger, and personal satisfaction than I did when I was given the opportunity to have all of the proceeding experiences. It gave me a sense of the past. We can meet our needs in many ways…our needs do not necessarily have to be the way they are now being met.

            There is nothing socialist or communistic in respecting the environment and believing that we are assigned to take care of the planet…our only home, at least for now. After our death is a whole other issue. If we cannot care for the earth and it’s creatures how could we possible claim to care about a god which we can not directly see. Compassion toward humanity includes compassion for the earth and all of its possessions…everything which springs from it. If you would abuse the earth…would you abuse god too?

      • truesoy

        pweiters9,
        Germany seems to be doing pretty good , though is socialist. And so it seems Israel too, is doing pretty good as well.
        I thought you’d like to know.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

      5/21/12, Scott, hello. join the Card & true. Socialism discourages excellence; why should you strive to be the best if your returns are severely diminished? The trouble w/socialism is you eventually run out of other people’s money. Maybe you can move to Germany or Israel as “truesoy” suggests. What [we] need to do now is send BO packing; off to France w/PM Francois Hollande.

  • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

    5/21/12, Card, truesoy, you’re both ‘full of it.’ Card…..you didn’t do any of these things, did you? Or else you wouldn’t be on here. As for you, truesoy, are you in either of these places? If not, what country are you in? Card……you like all those creature comforts, don’t you? Both of you are fake, phoney, frauds; neither of you would know what to do if your milk wasn’t in a carton or your meat wasn’t shrink wrapped.

    • CardinalMo

      I am in New Mexico. I am an American and so were my parents, my grand parents, and my great great grandparents. Let me put it this way…I don’t shy away from having experiences which may be unusual to others. Everything I told you was completely 100% true. Sorry, you are completely wrong. Let me add to my list… I even drank mild straight from a cow – unpasturized – when an uncle squirted the milk into my mouth. And the homemade Ice cream made from that milk was the best I have eaten in my entire life! I know how to make butter, I know how to dry my food for the winter, I know how to not eat the garbage from the grocery store. I actually buy whole chickens and know how to kill them if I ever have to. I know a bad chicken when I see it. Certainly stores are handy when your tired or haven’t planted a garden. ( I’m learning to do that now.) Learning and having new experiences never stop. I don’t have a TV, and radio reception is poor and boring when I do have good reception..So, I choose to have the internet to communicate with my friends, relatives, and on sites like this one. It is how I stay in touch with the world and how I research information which comes my way. It gives me the opportunity to read senate bills, read the news from different points of view. But would I give it up…I could. And for a time I did. But, I’m always curious about what is going on in the world. If I had lived as a pioneer woman I more than likely would have ended up doing a lot of traveling…because I would have wanted to see what was on the other side of the river…or in the next community. And, I certainly would have been awed by a city library.

      Perhaps you need more experience in your life…really there is another world beyond the borders of the major cities. Humanity is very creative at making do with whatever they have at the moment. It is very unfortunate that so many people do not ever realize just how much personal power and creativity they actually possess. It is also quite interesting to imagine the future as well as the past.

      Think what you want about the environment…go ahead and destroy what you can if you think that is a better way to live.

      • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

        5/21/12, Here’s :{> coming @U once again, Card. If you farm, then just say so; not everyone is suited for that. As for raw milk, it’s not the smartest thing to do; too much harmful bacteria. What exactly do you do for a living, Card? Today, there are more efficient ways of supplying people’s needs than 100 years ago, for instance. Think of the advent of plastic that enabled us to have more things than ever could have been of metal. Space-age tech enabled electronics, medical devices, tools, etc. to become smaller & better. We do things that were unheard of even 10 years ago. As far as the Earth is concerned, Man has absolutely no control over it’s origin, deportment or end. (Oh, yeah~~my desktop is a TouchSmart, all-in-one, 23″ HP w/1.5 TB, 8GB ram, i7 processor; unheard of even 5yrs ago).

        • CardinalMo

          I do not farm. I have just known a great number of people from many walks of life. I am at the point that I am beginning to garden…not farm…there is a huge difference. You are right not everyone is suited for farming any more than everyone is suited to being a Dr. lawyer, scientist, metal worker, teacher, artist, politician etc. I am soon to employed as a personal care giver. I have been a teacher, a cashier, a book keeper, a receptionist, a file clerk, a housewife, waitress, and made envelopes as a factory worker, I’ve worked as a residential care giver for persons having mental disabilities, I’ve made drapes, I have worked in microfilm, babysitting, and painted homes. I know all about work…full time & part time. Some jobs were good some not so good.

          Back to the main subject now:

          Do you know the main reason for milk having bacteria? Cleanliness. The milk which comes from the cow is clean. unless the cow is ill, of course, but if the dairy isn’t washing the cows teats prior to milking there can be a lot of problems. If cattle are raised the way they are now, in crowded unsanitary conditions, the problem is exacerbated. Therefore, we have to pasteurize our milk, which is also the reason they began to give regular antibiotics to all cattle, hogs, and chickens. Of course from every action there is a reaction. The bacteria and viruses have become immune, and when humans become ill with the super bugs they have no natural defences against the new bug…so then drs. and hospitals have to go to the expense of running cultures using diverse antibiotic in order to discover which antibiotic will work on their patient.

          Yes, I can not deny that some things are greatly improved. But, I cannot deny either that some things are far worse. As far as food production, I say we let the small farmers be small farmers. There are plenty of people who would like the opportunity to grow organic foods. That means foods which are planted and grown without pesticides, shots, and incorporate the best methods and practices. But our food production is controlled by a few farming corporations and chemical companies. We wonder why so many Americans are ill with so many different diseases. Why is obesity a problem? Why do sooooooooooo many women have breast cancer? Why do children have so many diseases? Certainly certain families are prone to certain diseases. However, some of these illnesses were not present in the past in the families…on either side. Our degraded environment is negatively affecting the quality of life. The weaker we become as a species the more tools we need. Humans were designed to be in motion, to breath air containing a certain % of oxygen, to drink water which is not contaminated with plastic, DDT, Dioxins, Mercury, pesticides, plutonium, and other man made chemicals. If you think this is ok for your children to consume. Well fine! I do not see this as an improvement on anything. And as I said before I’d rather sacrifice my “Stuff”…so that my children and grandchildren can eat, drink, and breathe what nature or God intended.

          I have chosen to learn to plant a garden so that I do not have to eat the foods which are available in the market place. As far as I am concerned sugar, wheat, soy, corn, canola oil, and many other substances are poisons in our foods which we eat way to much of. I only shop the perimeter of the stores and I’m getting picker about that too. I’m picky about wheat because I can not eat much gluten. sugar…that should be obvious…soy, and corn because the USDA, FDA has not performed safety tasting on the GMO’s foods. According to studies which are on going in other nations by independent scientists genetic mutations come about in rats, and mice. The entire reason I know this is because I began to notice that every time a ate GMO’s I would have a problem…then I found scientific study article which was described my weird symptoms. So, though I consume a very small bit occasionally to be polite, I now a least for the greater part avoid all processed foods as much as possible. My plan is to purchase grass fed meats, grow my own veggies and dry them, or freeze them, and to purchase my milk from grass fed cattle. I also plan to plant my own fruit trees. Trust me I live in small space…but, I am willing to give it a shot at food independence.

          • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

            5/22/12, Thanks Card, you made my point: radical environmentalism is out f order & serves no practical purpose. It’s the stuff of “elite losers.” Caregiver is an honorable profession; I’m certain this would be a lot easier & safer than yesteryear.

          • CardinalMo

            What is radical about caring for ones home? Earth is our home and we’re trashing it. You must be very close minded, totally brain washed by the media propaganda, or haven’t seen much of the world, or your just plain don’t care about anything beyond you ego and self. That ok when you grow up you will learn to figure these things out.

            As far as I am concerned all jobs are honourable. All jobs in one way or another serve the needs of other people. The only jobs which might be dishonourable are jobs which pull people down. I wouldn’t work in a Casino, a bar, or work for a used car salesman who was dishonest.

          • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

            5/23/12, Card, come down off your high horse. Are you so presumptuous as to figure Man has control of the Earth? So what’s wrong w/casinos & bars? As far as dishonest car salesmen–or any other business–is concerned, just worry about being honest yourself, which right here, you’re not. I should ask, while I’m here: what’s your take on the Keystone pipeline? Always a pleasure ~~ :{>

  • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

    MAYBE WHITES ARE THE SUPERIOR RACE, HAVE YOU EVER NOTICE SOMETIMES THAT SOME BLACK PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID THAT THEY CAN BE A THREAT TO THEMSELVES AND OTHERS MORE THAN THE AVERAGE WHITE MAN THAT COULD BE THE SAME

    • CardinalMo

      Actually, maybe whites are the inferior race. Whites have been the prime destroyers of the planet. And are the ones so far to have decided to throw trash in space. I have never observed Black people being more of a threat to themselves and others any more than the average white man in the same situation. Give me an example. Perhaps, it is your preception.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Robbie do you know where the oldest written example of ebonics exists?!

        “And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.” – Gen. 13:8 (KJV)

        Do you know how they know that Adam wasn’t a black man?… Did ja ever try and take a rib from a brother?!! LOL!!!

        A Born Again Christian recognizes only two type of humans, SAVED and lost!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

        Card Mo the white man is not the only race that has placed junk in space,or poisoned the water and air. Just because the white man has achieved space flight to help enable you and others to have a cell phone and watch cable tv and to explore the cosmos that God created doesn’t make the white race inferior to the other race. I don’t mean to be so judge mental towards the black African race and perhaps it was wrong for me to comment on your other post but I decided to challenge your comment on what you think is the superior race,now this doesn’t apply to all black people when I say that I have been exposed to too much black evil persons all my life that displays their own prejudice towards whites and their trade instinct of trickery of deception. I even experienced the same similar experience as Rosa Parks did when I was on this school bus once,also been spit on,bricks thrown at me and others in the past for no reason for the motive and yet I still have gave more free hand outs to blacks more than any other race. Where I now reside there are several black kids and one mexican that has no respect for other people’s property and car vandalism is a normal fad for some of them, these types are unable to think for themselves because they will not listen when you address it to them no matter how nice you are about it.Then when watching the media showing criminal activity and other programs it is usually a black person that has attacked to rob a white man or woman or news anchor and even their own kind. Have you ever watched bait car on tru tv ?, it is always a black person that is committing this act stealing the bait car and a recent incident online news video where two black adults had put their kid inside a washing machine and then had a panic attack when they were unable to unlock the door to the washer, some of these blacks of these types are commonly known as the ones that enjoy walking in public with their pants down while holding their crotch, and the stupid part is when you explain certain things to some of them you would think they are familiar with a monkey would understand some will do a criminal act behind your back because they can’t handle the truth what one can say to them about the government or their favorite president Obama. I seen and put up with too much already in which is why I say these statements, I should pray more often about this … right

        • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom. W.

          DAWGONEIT!!! 1st thing in the mornin’ I’m workin’ on this post and hit the wrong key and… POOF! Cyber litter! GOTTA LUV IT!!!
          CM, I’m takin’ for granted that you either live in or around St. Louis, now I know for a fact that y’all have sections of old St. Louie where you don’t want to be caught after dark if your white! You know the neighborhoods where it sounds as if you’re on a Tarzan movie set or in the DEEP DARK JUNGLE!!! I worked with a black guy in Louisville, KY, who took a trip up to Chicago and figured it would be safe to take a midnight stroll under the “L”, they robbed him of everything includin’ his shoes! LOL!!! You said, and I quote, “I have never observed Black people being more of a threat to themselves and others any more than the average white man in the same…”, have you ever been in any of the convienience stores in one of those neighborhoods?!! You know the ones that are usally owned and run by Muslim immigrants with 20 surveillance cameras? One of the ones with the bullet proof cashier cage with the little metal slidin’ drawer for the cash exchange?! One of those that makes a killin’ sellin’ cheap wine and beer, cigarettes and cheap cigars, lottery tickets, condum’s and verious sexual enhancers of different sorts, caffine pills and 5hr energy drinks, tabloids, chore boys, shoot they’ll even sell you a single cigarette paper for a nickel!!! Talk about convienience!!! All of life in the ghetto’s necessities in walkin’ distance! The liquor stores are even worse! I feel sorry for the people who HAVE to live in those conditions because they have NO choice, But some of them DON’T WANT IT ANY DIFFERENT!!! As long as they don’t have to work, can stay drunk and high and play a scratch off or two, life is GOOD, right?! The streets of these neighborhoods are usally full of litter, losing scratch-offs, cigar and cigarette butts, empty beer cans and booze bottles, etc., NASTY!!! They had a heat wave in Chicago back in “95″ where the old people in these neighborhoods sufficated to death in their apts. because they were too scared to open their doors and windows!!! http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/pr96/apr96/noaa96-21.html. So I think your comment is a little on the disingenuous side!
          Robbie I grew up in Louisville KY, you say KY and a lot of people associate you right off the bat to Lil’ Abner and the McCoys and Hatfields, Louisville is the 16th largest metro areas in the nation and if you figure all the IN cities and towns right across the Kennedy Bridge, the “Ville” is quite your BIG city! I grew up in a low income section of the city called Germantown, a neighboorhood that was totally German before WWII. It was a 50/50 segregated neighborhood with all the whites living east of Shelby St. and all the blacks west, with the one blk. in both directions pretty well mixed, so I know exactly what you’re tallkin’ about! I was kidnapped one time in jr. high and held ransom for a dollar!!! These thugs were threatenin’ me with serious physical harm if they didn’t get their dollar, AND WERE SERIOUS!!! But the point I want to make is that there are whites who are every bit as bad! It’s thuggery! There’s this attraction to the thug life for these poor kids that the entertainment industry is SOLELY responsible for, should be held more accountable!!! Then there’s this annimosity between the white and black thugs that I truly don’t understand, it has to be skin color ’cause that’s the ONLY difference between them! I mean they like the same tunes, clothing styles, cars, etc.!!! I MEAN WHAT’S THE DEAL! I truly feel sorry for the kids who are apt to be timid and affraid of these thugs because their life in this situation will be a LIVIN’ HELL!!! Believe me and this is something that you teachers will NEVER agree with is, the BEST way to deal with a bully is to punch them in the mouth with ALL YOU GOT one time and the bullyin’ will end! Most bullys are REALLY cowards on the inside who bully kids who let them to try and prove to THEMSELVES and others that they’re not the coward that they TRULY are!!! But my point is that it’s not just the blacks, you have this thug mentallity among all races! I used to work at an oriental rug shop and one of the owner’s sons was this spoiled rich generation X kid who was ALWAYS in some kinda trouble with the law, school, whatever, you know the type the rebel without a cause!!! Always in the dog house with his STRAIGHT laced older yuppie dad, yet ALWAYS getting exactly what he wanted by being able to play both ends against the middle in the situation between his dad and mom who left dad for a doctor! Oh what a WICKED web we weave!!! But anyway Josh was helpin’ me one day and seemed REALLY distressed about something. I asked him if everythin’ was OK, and he said that him and his buddies were having problems with the CHP. Who’s the CHP Josh?! “The Cresent Hill Posse”, he said! LOL!!! Cresent Hill was were all the yuppies with their Volvos, Birkenstock shoes, etc. you know the old hippie college educated crowd. When the wealthy neighborhoods start havin’ GANG problems, and believe me these little brats are FAR worse as far as bein’ little disrespectful punks than their ghetto counterparts! You see their parents have coin and they can pay their way outta most of the jams they get into, and the little punks know it! I end this post with this, I’ve been BLESSED over my 53 yrs. with MANY wonderful black friends and I think that we all tend to somewhat judge a whole race of people by the actions of the worst members of their race! If I was ever in a fox hole and my life depended on that person who was in that hole with me, I must say that I would choose a lot of those black friends of mine over some of the white ones!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom. W. I hear what you’re saying. I grew up in an all white neighborhood and I remember the first time I saw a black person up close and personal, I was about 11 years old, and I was incredulous that they were that color. My first real exposure to blacks came when I was 16 and worked in a commercial laundry. I believe the security guard saved my life from a group of them that were lying in wait for me. They threw a sheet over me as I came through a doorway and knocked me to the floor and the next thing I heard was “let him up”. The security guard was standing there with pistol drawn in the doorway I had just came through. One of these black men was holding a large hypodermic with something that was yellow colored in it.

            This attack was not something personal but rather was something motivated out of racial hatred. I’m sure of this as I didn’t know any of the men involved. Later I secured a job in the steel mill and had a lot of exposure to blacks, many good ones and enough bad ones to know that racial prejudices are alive and well in the black population. I had four rather difficult brushes with violence and blacks during my three and a half year tenure in the mill. All of this happened in the industrial north.

            Now I live in the south and have done so for more than thirty six years. About sixty percent of the population here is black. I’ve seen much of what you describe. There is a small town about six miles from where I live and these people would set fire to abandoned houses and wait until the fire and police departments showed up and then they would shower them with rocks and bottles. Why? There is litter and filth everywhere in some of these neighborhoods. Where did these people learn these prejudices?

            Is this true for all blacks? Not at all. There are many that I have no problem being friends with. There are others that I know I need to avoid if I want to stay healthy.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom. W.

            Yeah Katrael, just like this one!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI

            This is the same man that voter imtimidation charges were dropped against by the DOJ!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4MTQVMatW0&feature=fvwp&NR=1

            But there’s whites out there every bit as bad!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbMsZM-eO4

            Ya always love it when one of ‘em let’s his mouth overload his a$$ though! LOL!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHLOtQvS6MQ&feature=related

            “But as the days of No’e were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” – Matt. 24:37 (KJV)
            Just how was it in Noah’s day Lord?!
            “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.” – Gen. 6:11 (KJV)

            I PRAY YOUR BAGS ARE PACKED!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom. W., wow, that Samir is a rabid fellow. It’s a shame he has so much hatred in his heart. And for the callous racial crime in the video? I do like the point that was made by the fellow on The Young Turks: it’s not so much that the murder of the black man by the whites is a racial crime but that it is a crime. Give them what they deserve for the murder they committed. There is no excuse for it. My lamp is full but my bags are only half packed. The question is: where do you go? I guess you go to any place you aren’t at right now?.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            yes it’s true there is trash in every color, I know there are whites and mexicans that commit all types of crimes, if you use statistics it will clearly show blacks of those types will have exceeded by far the criminal activity compared to whites. It makes my day when I run in to a black person at a work place or stores that has good qualities accompanied with good conversations and then I tell them that I wished I had them for a neighbor, when ever the day comes when the food supply is low every race will attack each other like hungry dogs fighting over their last meal,hope you have a bug out bag including a back up plan. These days will be the ultimate days of hardship, ” may the Lord have mercy on us all “

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, there is the much loved and hate book that contains a prophecy that concerns much of what you talk about:

            Deu 28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
            Deu 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
            Deu 28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
            Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, YHWH thy Elohim;

          • dawgbisquit1

            Robbie, I have a little different take on buggin’ out. In my opinion, the only reason you should even think about buggin’ out is if you know how to survive off of the land. It you’re one of those who lack those skills, I think your chances are going to be better to stay where you are. Good people will always find each other and the urban setting may prove to be beneficial to those who lack the skills needed to survive in the wild! There is STRENGH in numbers!!! I would HIGHLY suggest that if you are able to purchace some farmland, to do so and think about moving to the country NOW!!! Once the sh!t hits the fan, you won’t want to be caught out in the country if you don’t belong there! Those folks tend to shoot first in those kinda situations, and WILL be in self-preservation mode!!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Dawgbisquit1 Several years ago I had already thought about the survival probability period for those who are dependent on the land using their survival skills to adapt to different energy fuels to eating bugs. I/m sure it would take more than a bug out bag to see such survival results in the long run. The people that are motivated enough to prepare themselves like the Doomsday Preppers shown on National Geographic are the one’s I envy the most because they can afford all the needed essentials and land. I wish I could win the lotto I would be purchasing land and prepping too like I was a year behind schedule.When the $h@t hits the fan I don’t think staying where I’m at is the right idea. If our own Military or Homeland Security doesn’t go house to house seizing all the weapons then it would be Obama and Bushes private foreign armies that would help enforce one of the many Presidential executive orders in conjunction with the defense authorization act during this final global financial economic collapse meltdown period these soldiers will then escort all persons to the detention prison facilities located in our Country that Dick Cheney had made his prophets to build them. During before or after this period if you ever get a notice to report to your neighborhood post office to register,don’t go,don’t believe them when they tell you they will take you to a safe place,once a person get’s on this bus then they will take everyone to the train that will be equipped with a gas to kill.
            For those who refuse the RIFD chip during the full control of the NWO they will be tortured and killed. There will also be a time when people will have to deal with a bigger threat which will be a super coronal mass ejection emitting gamma rays from the sun that will vaporize everyone in their tracks if they are outside, even the ones that seek shelter in the sewer tunnels will be at risk. The safest place to be is a deep underground bunker with a air supply that would work, so I’m not too sure if I will have a good back up plan as to other Countries will have to face the same threat. Lord will spare the faithful ones that are ready

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, this kinda reminds me of something else: “here’s a nice bar of soap, now go and take a nice warm shower after your long arduous trip.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT NOW IT IS YOUR TURN

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I’m sorry you didn’t latch onto what the bar of soap was referring to. My comment wasn’t meant to be cute or insulting but it was your comment that reminded me about what the Nazi’s did in the concentration camps with many of the new arrivals. They would hand them a bar of soap and tell them they were going to take a shower then they would pack them into the gas chamber so tightly that they couldn’t fall down when they died.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            FORGET YOUR BAR SOAP HOLOCAUST ANALOGY, I KNOW ABOUT THESE AMERICAN PRISON CAMPS WITH GAS FURNACES,WHO NEEDS LIFE INSURANCE WHEN THERE IS MILLIONS OF HARD PLASTIC BLACK CONTAINERS IN MOST AMERICAN STATES THAT HOLDS UP TO 3 BODIES THAT IS USED TO CREMATE THE MILLIONS OF BODIES FOR THE NEW HOLOCAUST THAT WOULD MAKE THE OLD ONE LOOK LIKE A BUS FULL OF CASUALTIES THANKS TO DICK CHENEY WHO MADE A PROPHET TO HAVE THESE PRISON CAMPS BUILT IN OUR COUNTRY.GEORGE H BUSH FATHER PRESCOTT BUSH HELPED FINANCE THE HOLOCAUST. IF YOU VALUE YOUR SOUL DON’T TAKE THE RFID CHIP AND BE PREPARED TO DIE FOR CHRIST AS HIS SON DID FOR YOU. LOL

          • CardinalMo

            To Robbie: We do have to wonder why the government…Fema would have so many “coffin liners” … Are they so fearful that they believe most of the American people will die from some virus, earthquake, Tsunami, civil war…could be… or it could be part of the extermination plan for most of the human population. It all does make one wonder if all the conspiracy theorists aren’t maybe pretty sane after all. But we need some solid proof not just fear- mongering. We need documentation e-mails, bugged elite phone conversations, we need anonymous, and wikileakes. The reasons I suspect the worst from our government is because they have withheld information from the American people. If there is no plot among the elite…and their corporations…to be rid of us then why have they allowed our foods and water to be contaminated with horrible toxins, and our foods to be poisoned…through genetic engineering…or could they just really be so stupid?

            Robbie here is a video you might find enlightening. Don’t know if I sent this to you earlier today or if I sent it to Tom. Pick a time to watch this it takes about 3 hours but is well worth the time spent. While you are on the Youtube page also check out: The Lion Sleeps No More. It is pretty heady stuff especially if you’ve never heard of some of it. Watch it and get back to me when you can. He has connected all the dots…and backfilled some of the things I already knew or suspected.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGM43jGjXkU&feature=related

            Enjoy!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, I grew up in a time when people tended to view the government as this somewhat distant and friendly entity that we could turn to for help when we needed it. Maybe that wasn’t true even back in the 30′s or 40′s either. Google or Bing this: is fluoride a mind control drug. This is one of the links that came up:

            http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fluoridation.htm

            This is an excerpt from this link:

            “At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Eliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany.

            “While there he was told by the German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff.

            “This was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.

            “Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him.

            “Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile.”

            Did our government do the same thing to us for the same reasons that the Nazis and Russians did? Is fluoride really a potent mind control drug? You should be the judge.

            I want to check out that link that you posted to Robbie Borot but there is so much to study and possibly so little time to do it in.
            Be well and prosper.

          • CardinalMo

            Wow! Now there is a thought I haven’t run into before. It certainly seems we humans are actually doing very well considering all the attacks upon us…spiritually, physically, mentally. It is a wonder we are not all filpping out!

            When you watch the film be sure to just have an open mind…the guy is pretty contriversial.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, we all know there is no shortage of conspiracy theories but can we deny that there are those who conspire to do evil? I don’t believe so. The question: how to go about deceiving most of the world? The answer is multifaceted: Infiltration of the leading groups of people by “sheep in wolves clothing”. Indoctrination of the youth by their parents and central authority figures, who won’t know the truth either, with carefully crafted lies promulgated throughout the population over millennia that contain mostly truth mixed with enough lie to distract and mislead. Control of the educational systems which helps to facilitate that indoctrination and through mind control such as has been pointed out.

            Ignorant people who go about their daily activities in a stupor are not likely to care about uncovering the truth. Too many of our people can only focus on a vary narrow range of subjects and remain functional so they “deny” anything that presents a major challenge to their carefully crafted world.

            There are “shills” who are put into place to keep people focused where their handlers desire. These people will take up any argument just to keep a person’s focus where it is supposed to be: on the lie and not on the truth. That is why we have some on this site who never answer a direct question with a direct answer that would indicate the questioner knows the truth. If all else fails the “shills” are taught to denigrate and belittle.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Undercover Preacher, whatchu got to say mon?!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVzsuDsxW8

            PREACH PREACHER PREACH!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QxiZLNHY6M

            Hear the children cryin’!

          • CardinalMo

            Tom:; Isn’t it amazing how many of the artists have been giving the messages all along? They have been warning us over and over that we need to fundamentally change. But do we listen? ….well some do. Others just hear the beat or watch the hair dos…come and go. I’m glad your into all this music. More people know what is going on that people in general believe.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Raut race. See how the rats race. Yeah, one love and the world will one day get together and feel alright. Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            I TRULY believe that we astanding right at the edge Katrael! GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!

          • truesoy

            …yep, you’re standing at the edge alright!

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            What’s that supposed to mean truesoy?!! Are you being judgemental or just a smarta$$?!!

          • truesoy

            Tom W.

            In answer to your question;
            A little bit of both.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            A little bit A$$HOLE?!!

          • truesoy

            Tom W;
            a bit an a$$…?, No, not quite; for I’m neither a ‘conservative’, nor a republican (although I suspect they’ve (you) been mostly misled.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            I’m prayin’ that God shall open your eyes truesoy!

          • truesoy

            ….TomW

            …..and He did. But apparently you are a bit slow coming around.

            Sincerely
            Truesoy

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            OK truesoy, touche’! Let me put two and two together here. You come to the defense of the Freemasons claiming that without them there would’ve been no USofA, so I presume, seein’s that most people know nothing of the Masonic influence that was present among our founders (George Washington was Master Mason of Alexandria Lodge # 22 when he was inaugurated as president.), you must be one. And you say that God opened your eyes?!! No truesoy the grand architect of the universe is not God! He is the same one who attacked Eve in the garden!!!

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

          • truesoy

            TomW

            I don’t think we’ll get anywhere here; your mind is made up already.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            No I don’t think we will truesoy, you’re STILL in mt prayers!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. it’s time for a drink. Hallelujah.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Make that a double HALLELUJAH! LOL!!!

          • CardinalMo

            Hahaha…..you are so correct Katrael. I usually try to challenge the Shrills…but, most of the time it can’t be done…and they become a waste of time and energy. This time and energy is better spent on the people who truly have serious questions, and reasoning.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, the shills are expertly trained and seem to have unending energy to devote to their cause. It’s difficult at first to know who’s a shill and who’s simply working from true ignorance. I believe I know who the shills are here?

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Bob Livingston’s probably a shill! LOL!!!

          • CardinalMo

            It just seems that there is no one out there really speaking the truth. Everyone, only cares about manipulating the truth inorder to support their truth. And, usually there is money involved some where down the line…a book to sell, a person to impress (and then get paid), a product to sell, video, cd…and on and on. Even wikileaks, and annonymous leave gaping holes in their information. Just show me the original documents, or let me hear the original tape ( if it hasn’t been altered) …show the proof. Half the time when you can see original documentation you realize that the meaning was interpereted through a foggy lens. Shrills are really very guilty of this.

            Personally I just wish God would come down here right now and straighten this mess up before it gets so bad that even the devil abandons the planet! Since (he loves the processes of decline) he’ll have no place here when we are as baren as Mars appears to be.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, YHWH is going to do just what you want him to do through his son Yahoshua. And the good news as I see it is that this planet won’t become as barren as Mars appears to be. This planet won’t become a burned out cinder. It may come close to it but not completely.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            When Christ returns, ALL things will become NEW!!!

          • CardinalMo

            Hummmmm I don’t know about that. I hope not….but it doesn’t look good for humanity. I just received a post from a fellow I know who is into science. He tells me that there is methane in the ice layers in the artic the size of all the oceans. If the polar caps keep melting there is a very good chance that all of the meth will excape into the atmosphere. This hasn’t happened in over 400,000 years.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Jesus is coming again to SAVE this world from us CM!!!

            “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.” – Rev. 11:18 (KJV)

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Card what reference do you have about methane gas 400,000 years ago ?

          • CardinalMo

            Robbie: Here is a link which might assist you in the information on global warming processes

            http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/kling/paleoclimate/index.html

            Also, if you receive Coast to Coast am. There is ongoing information all the time from science. This programing discusses everything. For example: they reported the disappearing bees at least 1 full year before the national Media. I listen to this with an open mind and usually try to research what I can. I’ll see if I can find any science site which directly link to your question.

            :You know how it is. Sometimes I forget where my resource was. There are so many areas to research it get complex…even in this high tech age.

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Hey Card,because of major global warming and underwater earth quakes methane gas is escaping from the ocean floors more than the gulf oil disaster. I always listened to the am radio talk show Coast to Coast 570 KLIF with Art Bell and George Noory for over 11 years, so when was the last time you listened to this radio station because coast to coast is no longer available on radio for over 3 months now, so did coast to coast relocate to another channel frequency or what happened to George Noory and George Knapp, could it be possible the elites closed their broadcasting station for talking to much about subjects the elite’s don’t want the public to know about ?

          • CardinalMo

            I listen to him on a station out of Colorado…I believe that is 570 am. The reception for the Coast to Coast am shows have never been very good…at least not consistently. It’s a bummer. I wish they would put him on between 9 – mid night. Yes, sometimes I believe they do jam his broadcasts. I’ve noticed that the stations which play him have perfect reception during the day. The NET news is usually clear even when coast to coast is static!…That always makes me wonder. I guess the only way around the problem is to stream through the internet.

          • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

            6/18/12, I was a graveyard shift worker & listened to C2C am, WOR, 710 from NY. You can catch it on XM which I have in the car. What ever happened to Art Bell (from the High Desert, Kingdom of Nye [Co.,NV])? Not to mention Manila, Philippines. I’m retired & love talk radio. I go to sleep on G.Noory & the rest of them. I recently purchased a new Sangean LB-100 ‘lunchbox’ radio; cheaper & less fragile than CCRadio, on Amazon.

          • CardinalMo

            Yes, I have heard xm radio is the best way to get Coast to Coast. I’ll have to look into that.

          • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

            6/19/12, I like the continuity over the road. They’re getting more expensive now, though. They bill me once a year & the latest was almost $200. When Sirius merged with XM, you’d think they would do better; they’re trading around $1.50/share, not so good. Are you sure this isn’t too modern for you? Do you ever worry about one of their satellites crashing to Earth?

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Card the coast to coast am 570 I used to listen to is in Dallas Texas, don’t know why the show was pulled off the air,the daytime programs are still on KLIF 570 am except for Glen Beck because he tells everyone the truth about the shadow government, so Card how do you know when you listen to coast to coast the program is live and not prerecorded ?

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Glenn Beck is a spoonfeeder Robbie!!! Be very CAREFUL what you glean from him!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAdhJtGZ-II

            Although I don’t FULLY trust him either, have you ever noticed that for the most part, the MSM refuses to even utter Alex Jones’ name?!! Glenn is too smart and has to GOOD of a crack investigative staff to not TALK about some things!!! Alex, if his accusations are true, how is it the man is still alive and broadcasting right here in the good ole’ USA?!! Where does the money behind him come from?!! Just one of those questions that make me go hmmm!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            TOM SO FAR I HAVEN’T HEARD ANYTHING GLEN BECK HAS MENTIONED THAT WASN’T TRUE CONCERNING THE GLOBAL ELITES & THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT BECAUSE SOME OF THE SUBJECTS HE TALKS ABOUT I CHECKED OUT TO BE TRUE BEFORE GLEN SAYS ANYTHING BUT IT IS POSSIBLE HE CAN BE INCORRECT SOME TIMES. THE VIDEO IS INTERESTING TOWARDS THE END WHEN GLEN ASKED ALEX JONES FOR THE RECORDING HE DID AT THE BOHEMIAN GROVE BACK IN THE YEAR 2000 THAT ALEX DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE GLEN, PERHAPS ALEX DIDN’T TRUST GLEN.
            HAVE YOU SEEN THE CREMATION OF CARE ALEX PUT ON U TUBE? I COMMEND ALEX BRAVERY TO TAKE THE RISK TO RECORD THE ANNUAL EVENT IN ORDER TO EXPOSE THE BOHEMIAN RITUAL TO THE WORLD ALONG WITH DAVID GERDEN, …ahh EXCUSE THE SPELLING OF HIS LAST NAME. DID YOU EVER WATCH BRAD MELTZERS DECODED TOPIC ON SECRET SOCIETIES ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL? ALEX TOOK THE DECODED INVESTIGATORS ON A CANOE TO SHOW THE TEAM WHERE TO GO TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE BOHEMIAN GROVE AND WISHED THE TEAM GOOD LUCK IN NOT GETTING CAUGHT IN WHICH THEY DID, THEN THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS HAD BAILED THE OTHERS FROM JAIL FOR TRESPASSING. I BET THERE IS MORE SECURITY NOW AT THE BOHEMIAN GROVE THAN THE WHITE HOUSE. I DON’T KNOW HOW ALEX JONES MAKES HIS MONEY BESIDES SELLING PRISON PLANET.COM DVD’S.
            PERHAPS THEIR IS A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION THAT FUNDS HIS TALK SHOW. ALEX HAS DONE A LOT TO EXPOSE THE POLICE STATE ELITE’S HIDDEN AGENDA’S. YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE GLEN AND ALEX WORDS IN TO QUESTION THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER SOURCES THAT SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM,AND YES I TOO WONDER WHY CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE CIA HASN’T SNUFFED ALEX AND GLEN LIKE THEY DID TO OTHER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES WHISTLE BLOWERS INCLUDING THEIR OWN, I THINK THAT THESE FORERUNNERS OF HENCHMEN DON’T CARE ANY MORE THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEIR HIDDEN AGENDA BECAUSE TIME IS TOO LATE AND RUNNING SHORT IN ORDER TO PREPARE FOR THE REVOLT FOR AMERICANS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. THE MORE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT THE MORE MISERY IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. LOL TOM

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            But for Glenn and the likes of David Barton (http://www.wallbuilders.com/) to deny COMPLETELY the influence of the Freemasons on our founding is completely disingenuous!!! Freemasonry and Glenn’s religion are BOTH secret societies in the fact that Mormonism is NOTHING more than an offshoot of Freemasonry and both hold to certain esoteric beliefs. (Secret things unseen!) I wonder if Glenn wears his sacred lederhosen while broadcasting on air?! LOL!!!

            “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.” – Eph. 5:11&12 (KJV), see also Deut. 13:1-10!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            TOM I’M AWARE THAT I COULD BE SETTING MYSELF UP TO BE KILLED FOR WHAT I SAY BUT THE RISK IS MINIMAL SINCE I’M NOT SOME ONE THAT IS POPULAR ENOUGH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WOULD LISTEN TO, THE NSA CAN LISTEN TO MY PHONE CALLS,WATCH ME THREW MY TV, MONITOR MY E-MAILS LIKE THEY DO EVERY ONE ELSE, I WOULD BE IN MORE DANGER IF I WAS A CONGRESSMAN OR A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE WHISTLE BLOWER. BY THE TIME THEY GET ME DURING OR BEFORE MARSHAL LAW THERE WILL BE BILLIONS OF OTHERS THAT WILL BE IN JEOPARDY. I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO BE UPDATED WITH GLEN BECK FOR SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE HE IS NO LONGER ON TALK SHOW 570 AM AND FOX NEWS. AT LEAST HE WAS TRYING TO EXPOSE THE FEMA DEATH CAMPS ABOUT 8 YEARS AGO. MAYBE HE IS TRYING TO PROMOTE FEAR, HE COULD BE A MEDIA FIRE STARTER, AND TO THINK MY BIRTHDAY IS THE SAME AS GLEN’S. IS GLEN BECK A MORMON?,IF SO PERHAPS HE WOULD ADVOCATE MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT. WE DON’T NEED A MORMON IN THE WHITE HOUSE,ACTUALLY THERE IS NO ONE ELSE LEFT TO VOTE FOR EXCEPT MAYBE RON PAUL THAT WON’T GET NEAR ENOUGH VOTES YET HE HAS VALUED PRINCIPALS, SOME OF WHICH I DON’T AGREE WITH AT ALL. I KNOW I DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI & MASONS BUT I SURE WONT GO TO ANY OF THE MASON LODGES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIND OUT. I WATCHED VIDEOS ABOUT THEM ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL AND U-TUBE. WERE YOU THE ONE THAT WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT WHO THE ASTRONAUTS WERE THAT WERE FREE MASONS ? I THINK IT WAS DAVID ICKLE CONSPIRACIES, I THANK YOU TOM AND VALUE YOUR INPUT ABOUT THE MASONS AND BIBLE VERSES TO COMPARE THESE REFERENCES. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND MAY YOUR EFFORTS BE REWARDED

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            One of my fav verses Robbie;

            “Be ye strong therefore, and let not your hands be weak: for your work shall be rewarded.” – II Chron. 15:7 (KJV)

            Not taken out of context either! It’s from the story of King Josiah who was going about ancient Israel cleasing the land of idolatry!

            You make an excellent point Robbie! Granted it could be argued that the left had Glenn removed from FNC, but did they or did he just believe that he could make mo money on the net?!! Although I will say that I noticed a change in the way Glenn was acting towards FNC when they refused to talk about the Der Speigal and Rolling Stone’s “Kill Team” article exposing atrosities committed by a renegade group of American soldiers who were killing Afghanistani civilians for sport!

            http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327

            https://www.google.com/search?q=rolling+stone+kill+team&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ilfjT9-YH-nE2wXuyZW4Cw&sqi=2&ved=0CF4QsAQ&biw=1192&bih=561

            He tryed to bring up the subject with ole’ turkey neck (O’Reilly) on Bill’s show one night and you’d a thought Glenn had spit on da pope! LOL!!! So I truly believe that Glenn had a problem with not being able to discuss the subject matter of his choice especially on his OWN show! I refuse to believe that his show was losing money and that any advertiser who backed out because of threats of boycott by Soros backed orgs, should be boycotted by us for the same!!! While although I did take Glenn with a grain of salt, I really did enjoy his show and think that the awakening of the masses has a lot to owe to Glenn and his show!!! Besides that, the ba$tard took S.E. Cupp with him when he left FNC, and y’all just don’t know how much those power glasses used to turn me on!!! Weather girl Maria Molina, http://tvnewscaps.maxforum.org/2011/05/05/maria-molina/page5/, whom I believe is solely responsible for global warming! MUCHO CALIENTE’, SE?!! Be STILL my heart! LOL!!!
            Yes he is a Mormon Robbie and defends his religion against what he terms “Mormon bashers” quite regularly, I wonder if I rate honorable mention?! LOL!!! I often wonder how many of my emails to people like him and O’Reilly actually get read?! I KNOW Bill ain’t gonna air any of them! LOL!!! But back to the point you so astutely made, if the government was as EVIL as Glenn and Alex suggest, how come they’re not on that island with Jimmy Hoffa and the rest of ‘em?!! They’re both operating right here, right out in the open! Come on!!! If they’d off a president who bucked, who are these two peons?!! I’d think that they’d be silenced by now by either debunking because they would be proven liars and thus traitors, or you’d never hear a peep from ‘em EVER again!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            Tom your post is getting a bit discursive for me to keep up with you so I will comment about the Mormon Mick Romney and the government that is within a bigger government which is referred to as the shadow government .No matter how we slice it for choosing the right person to be president we are all screwed,the last of the remaining survivors will be the wealthy. If Romney is elected expect taxes to sky rocket and major budget cuts on government assistance,social security,and food stamps.Things are going to get so tight they will go after the ones that are abusing government assistance, LOL. People expect the crime rate to accelerate when people are desperate to feed their kids and themselves. If Obama is reelected he will continue like Bush to borrow more money from foreign nations to keep our heads above water until there is no more money to lend causing banks world wide to default that will trigger Marshal Law world wide,Bush waited till his term was about to end in 2008 to try to dodge the blame game for congress to finally sign the first major bail outs for America,two congressman one from California,one from Texas were warned in secret session meetings if they said no one more time to the bail outs there would be Marshal Law in America,China’s Military were already hiding in the California cost in case they said no again.The Media is usually controlled by the left winged socialist groups that don’t want the listeners to know what is really going on in the world,a few journalist that tried to get the real story out were terminated from their job like Dan Rather for bad remarks about George W. Bush for being a slacker when he was on tour,the other less fortunate ones were killed and sometimes on fox news a strong signal is is sent to distort the audio. Sometimes I think the reason Alex Jones and Glen Beck are still alive is that they elite’s are probably using them as pawns to promote fear giving the weak ones to make poor choices in order to survive,a way to weed out who is selected to be their Anti Christ digital slaves. The next thing they will do is Obama hiring private NAU armies similar to Blackwater that use to help our military in Iraq when Bush was president, Blackwater killed innocent Americans beside looters for sport in America during 2005 Hurricane Katrina.The replacement for Blackwater is XE.
            Don’t forget about the digital thought police in the near future when they finalize the technology for arresting American citizens for what they are thinking,there is a article about it on 60 minutes and November’s issue 2007 Popular Mechanics. Have you ever heard of the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 ? This is a thought bill crime that Republican Jane Harmon signed in to law for the Bush Administration, this fits right in with the Patriot Act and just recently Obama has signed the Defense Authorization Act to put innocent Americans in prison with out a warrant or trial, so all the bloggers beware including myself are at risk, protesters be careful and watch out for the Youth Bergades that will be fooled in thinking they are preventing terrorism when they are spying on you because you believe in freedom or you will be on the red or blue list ,Viacom will force U-tube to surrender all of the IP address users that know too much, say good buy to the 4th,5th,8th,and 14th Amendments of the Constitution,George W.Bush already said off the record when president ” don’t throw that constitution at me it’s just a GOD D_M piece of paper ” and then he laughed to say the world would be better off if it was run under a dictatorship just as long he is the dictator. Several years ago I was surprised the media was able to talk and show video’s about muslims training camps in America. Drones are already starting to fly around our farmlands spying on us before they fly into the big cities. WAKE UP AMERICA time is running short and don’t forget to fear God and give him glory to him for the hour of his judgement has come and worship him who made the heaven and the fountains of waters. Rev. 18;4 AND I HEARD ANOTHER VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE PARTAKERS OF HER SINS AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES FOR HER SINS HAVE REACHED UNTO HEAVEN AND EHYEHMN HATH REMEMBERED HER INIQUITIES LOL

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” – II Tim. 3:1-5 (KJV)
            No better description of the human race today anywhere!!!

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            A “spoonfeeders” job is to feed you just enough of the truth as to gain your trust Robbie! Once they have your trust, they can perform the function of getting you to focus your attention onto the OTHER hand! BEWARE!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            I CAN BUY THAT, THE SAME APPLIES TO EVERYTHING ELSE PEOPLE OR CORPORATIONS TRY TO SELL THE PUBLIC

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            AMEN Robbie, JESUS is the ONLY one worthy of our TRUST, all WE have gone astray! (Isaiah 53:6)

          • CardinalMo

            I think I get mostly pre -recorded programing.

          • CardinalMo
          • CardinalMo

            http://www.planetforlife.com/gwarm/glob400000.htm This site is a bit easier to follow if you are limited in time.

            Trust me, Global Warming is for real. It is a natural cycle but, our destructive patterns are making the situation far worse that all previous changes. So unless people begin to make a jump and change…we’ve had it. It done,,,fine. (Italian for the end)

            By the way don’t eat fish! Fikoshima…radiation is permeating sea life. Science has know way right now to know just how bad it may be.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            The ONLY truth is Jesus CM! Satan has an appointed date here on this planet when he shall be chained and bound for a 1000 years! Only to be released for a nice hot ETERNAL bath! (Rev. 19:20) LOL!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Hmm, Bob a shill? I guess anythings possible? LOL

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            All in jest Katrael! LOL!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Boker Tov, Yes all things will be renewed when the Messiah returns. Your jest was received in the spirit it was given. LOL.

            A most excellent choice for the ultimate OT example of protection. The Children of Israel and all others who headed the warning were covered by the Blood of The Lamb.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Overcoming Obstacles

            June 11, 2012

            “In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil” —Job 1:1

            Israel’s Moran Samuel made her country proud when she won the gold medal at the international rowing competition in Italy earlier this spring. She made us even prouder when she sang Israel’s national anthem, the Hatikva, on her own.
            Apparently, the Italians did not have a copy of the right recording. When Moran realized that there would be no anthem played as she received her award, she asked for the microphone and simply began singing it herself, completely cool and collected.
            When Moran was interviewed by the news shortly afterwards, she had this to say: “If you look at an obstacle as an obstacle, there’s a good chance it will knock you down. If you look at an obstacle as a challenge, then you’ll do the maximum to overcome it. There can be small challenges, like the anthem and me taking the mic and singing, and there can be bigger challenges.” She should know. She’s been paralyzed from the chest down since she was 24.
            Life comes with plenty of challenges and how we see them is critical. In the book of Job, Job and his friends spent all of their time and energy asking the question, “Why?” Why was Job being punished?
            The reader already knows and Job himself insisted that Job did nothing wrong at all! “This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.”
            Job was not being punished; he was being tested. Job and his friends had the wrong perspective and it cost Job dearly. He could have experienced his trying time cool, collected, and empowered. Instead he felt helpless, hopeless, and abandoned.
            This is why Jewish tradition teaches that the correct response to challenging times is to ask, “what” not “why.” What can I do to be a better person? What can I do to overcome this challenge? What does God want from me now? These questions are empowering and helpful. They lead a person out of their darkness and back into the light.
            Asking “why” leads down a dead-end road. Can anyone really ever know why God sends them a particular circumstance? Are we arrogant enough to think that we can understand God’s ways? While difficult times are certainly worthy of introspection, they are not helped by dwelling on guilt.
            Asking “why” traps us in our sorrow and self-pity. Asking “what” helps us move on.

            With prayers for shalom, peace,

            Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
            President

            Now that’s my kinda girl!!! Mah Shalomkah Achi!

          • CardinalMo

            That is a great perspective on Job. I certainly have never thought of the story of Job that way. In Christianity Job is basically a pon in the struggle between Satan and God. Certainly we are more empowered when we consider what can I do to improve the situation rather than asking why is this happening to me.

            This reminds me of a woman who was a christian who asked why? This woman was heavy, and had a piano bench collaspe on kittens which were sleeping under the bench at the time she was playing the piano. She couldn’t understand why God had killed the kittens. Well 1) God didn’t do it. 2) perhaps she should have noticed that legs on her bench were to weakt hold her weight. If she had noticed the legs being weak or missing a screw perhaps she should have taken action to fix the bench. God doesn’t allow every action but our inaction can have dire consequences in our lives.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Maybe she should think about goin’ on a diet! LOL!!!

          • CardinalMo

            Tom: No kidding!

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            LOL!!! ;)

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            CardinalMo, if that woman had to ask the question “why” then she didn’t learn from her lesson what she needed to learn. Maybe if she reflects long enough she’ll figure out which what it was that she needed to attend to. I liked Tom W.’s synopsis of Job.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I like your “what” instead of a “why”. When life hands you a lemon “what” do you do? Make lemonade. I learned that the answer to “why” becomes apparent when you know “what”.

            Yes, Job got tested and so will we.

            I think that YHWH want’s to know how we’ll behave when we share all of that power and authority with our husband Yahoshua. YHWH gives us tests to see if we’ve graduated from a certain level and that we’re ready for the next more difficult test. I’ll tell you, He must be up there shaking his head about me wondering when I’ll finally learn?

            etkah yawtab vtsawlayakh achi

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            LOL!!! I know what you mean Katrael! I’m sure that I’ve recieved plenty of head wags myself! My next door neighbor was the LADY who led me to Christ back in “93″, one day shortly after I made the decision to make Jesus the Lord of my life, I was going off about something that I thought was very anti-Christian, and she was lookin’ at me and started laughing, and said, “He surely does work in strange and mysterious ways!”. LOL!!! It just shows how God works, because if Louise wouldn’t have been my next door neighbor at that point in my life, I would be either dead (And thus in hell!!!), in prison, or still in a padded cell at Our Lady of Peace! (Louisville’s mental hospital) It HAD to be God who placed her there at that point in my life!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W., YHWH has a work for you to do that not even you understands yet. When the time is correct and you’re ready the next angel will come into your life to help move you toward your true calling. There are no coincidences.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            HALLELUJAH ACHI!!!

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            That’s why we’re to be as cunning as serpents but as harmless as doves Kaetrel! Matt. 10:16

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, I do value my soul and I do know who my Messiah is. I don’t want my pattern to be erased from the Book of Life. And yes, I do believe that many of us will lose our heads before this is all over but losing our heads now may be the best thing that could happen to us. Pass me the can of honing oil please.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            It’s a WIN/WIN if you lose your head for the testamony of Jesus our FOREVER FRIEND and KING!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOql1c-Ytjg

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W.
            (KJV with names changed)
            1Pe 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward Elohim (God) endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
            1Pe 2:20 For what esteem is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with Elohim.
            1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Messiah (Christ) also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
            1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
            1Pe 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
            1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

            And:

            Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Yahoshua, and for the word of Elohim (YHWH) , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Messiah a thousand years.

            What a wonderful thing it will be for those who are counted worthy to sit on thrones and rule for a thousand years. Yes, win win. There are worse things that can happen than loosing our heads for the Messiah.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Count it ALL joy!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            KATRAEL I already thought you cared about your soul, sometimes one has to put a little emphasis on certain issues in order to express thy self. I think the elites have a plan to depopulate the planet using all kinds of methods to poison our food,water,and air along with controlled earth quakes in order to be able to control the remaining earth’s population until they reach their goal to 500,000,000 according to the Georgia Temple Guide stones. Did you ever look up haarp and project blue beam on u -tube? This should help explain how the devils advocates will use this technology which is now in operations with our Navy and the Airforce to fool the world of a image of God using advanced holograms and mind altering frequencies,no thanks to the 18th century Serbian inventor of the Tesla coil Nikola Tesla that started this invention before Westinghouse perfected it in to a super weapon. I would like your opinions and others that reads this post about will the Lord take his people before or after during the rapture when the day comes for people to decide the decision of their fate to be tortured and killed when the executioner ask those in bondage “do they believe and love the Lord” I assume that God will take the real Christians to his kingdom first and the one’s left behind will have to endure the seven year tribulations that will result for them to be beheaded if they choose the Lord All Mighty, but is it possible this could happen before the rapture?, if so this would be the ultimate and final test of our faith in God. It is very difficult to imagine that the majority of the earth’s population will be in hell.
            ” broad is the gateway to destruction narrow is the pathway to life,only a few will make it. “

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Robbie Borot, thank you for explaining your statement about caring about my sole. As to the Rapture. I used to believe in it but now I don’t believe in it quite the same way as most who do. I know that it says that we’ll meet the Messiah in the sky but where does the Messiah go from there? He comes here to set up his kingdom. If we are going to be with him then we will be here with him. Many believe that they’ll forever be in heaven. I don’t read that. Could the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven to settle on this earth be the house with many mansions in it that Yahoshua spoke of? Also the Scriptures in Revelations says that there will be a number of folk who will lose their heads because of their testimony.
            (KJV with names words changed by myself)

            Joh_14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

            Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Yahoshua, and for the word of YHWH, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Messiah a thousand years.

            I believe that we have to be willing to give up this life for our beliefs the same way the Messiah gave up his for us. I don’t think that means we’ll necessarily have to die that way, just that we might have to. Many of the disciples gave their life for their beliefs so why should we feel that we are any more special to be worthy of a rapture that takes us away from this trial? I believe that the rapture we may experience will be like the one Stephen experienced at his stoning?

            Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Set Apart SPirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the esteem of Elohim and Yahoshua standing on the right hand of YHWH,
            Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of YHWH.
            Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord (it was a sin punishable by death for anyone other than the High Priest the Cohen HaGadol to utter the four letter name of our creator and that’s why they stopped up their ears when Stephen uttered the name יהוה YHWH I pronounce it Yahowah)
            Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.
            Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon יהוה YHWH, and saying, Master Yahoshua, receive my spirit.
            Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Master( אדו Adone in Hebrew), lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

            About this name thing. Yahoshua (Jesus) taught his disciples the Fathers name because the common man was forbidden to utter it. This was something that was a “tradition” promulgated to the people by the Levites who wanted to retain the power of this name to themselves.

            Joh_17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

            I have not been to that structure you mention that is in Georgia but I have seen pictures of it and it does say what you claim about reducing the population to 500 million.

            Robbie, I think I’ve seen you post those links before to the project blue beam and if you could provide it again it would make things easier although I guess I could google or bing it? So much to read here and so little time to check out everything.

            I have some plans to an energy device that anyone can build that is supposed to utilize some of the technology that Nikola Tesla developed.

            Be well and prosper Robbie Borot

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Top a da mornin’ to y’all! Y’all like my southern Galic brougue? LOL! Well another Sat. is upon us, see what Ben’ll light up about today! LOL!!!
            The Rapture. in my opinion, will take place right BEFORE the signing of the peace contract that the anti-Christ will broker between the Israelis and the Palatinians, giving the Israelis the go-ahead to rebuild the Temple and recomensewith the animal sacrifices (I’ll bet PETA will just love that! LOL!!!) that revolve around the Temple and it’s protocal. I believe the signing of that covanant (See Isaiah 28:15!!!) will reveal whom the anti-Christ TRULY is. (Yes, I believe that he is alive and waitin’ in the wings for the FULNESS of time when that LAST Gentile will have been saved ! Rom. 11:25, see also Gal. 4:4) Note that in II Thess. 2:7&8, it CLEARLY states that he shall NOT be revealed until AFTER whatever it is that restrains him is removed. Many prophecy students (myself included) believe that this is a reference to the Rapture in that what restrains the revelation of the lawless one is the Church or Holy Spirit. Once the Church is RAPTURED, ONLY then can that man of perdition be revealed!!! So then what happens in that seven year period between the Rapture and the actual Second Coming of Christ to this eath to defeat the anti-Christ and his armies with the BRIGHTNESS of His coming? One can only speculate given the vealed references in the book of Revelation, but I believe it’s goin’ be one HUGE family reunion!!! A FEAST! A WEDDING FEAST!!! PARTY TIME! Then when Christ returns to destroy Satan and his armies with the breath of His mouth seven years after the Rapture, who do you think it is that is followin’ Him my brothers?!! (Rev. 17:14!) LOL!!!

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. Boker Tov. No, I didn’t say you had a broken toe. LOL. I’m familiar with the Scriptural verses that you quote. Thankfully I don’t believe that it’s necessary for me to understand any Rapture Doctrine in order to enter the Kingdom. What I feel is most important is for me to know who my savior is and how I obtained eternal life. What i do agree with is that it’ll be one sweet wedding feast and I do mean a feast like there has never been before. I’m lookin forward to it. Shalom alekah achi.

            A need for a PS here. Rapture or no, I believe that no matter how bad things become that we can have the same protection like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego had when they were tossed in the fiery furnace. We can also have the same protection Daniel had in the lions den. And then we might just end up like the early Christians did in the Roman gladiatorial arenas. Then again we all might just be raptured until the second coming?

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Don’t forget the protection afforded the Israelites in Goshen when the plaques were destroying the Egyptians!!!

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            It is already happening Robbie and has been happening ever since our LORD was crucified! How many Martyrs do you think have died for the Name in the last 2000 yrs.? Look at Yousef Nardarkhani, http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/feb/26/iran-lynch-pastor-yousef-nadarkhani-say-nothing-do/!!! We are under the Age of Grace still, but once the Rapture takes place, anyone who proclaims the name of Jesus will do so at the risk of losing their heads and will have to do so if caught, because to renounce Christ will require the taking of the Mark from which there is NO return!!! (Rev. 14:11!)

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            That’s the thing Robbie! KNOW that you are READY!!! When people ask you how you can be so calm in the face of impending doom, WHAT A CHANCE TO DO SOME SERIOUS WITNESSIN’!!! You might mysteriously vanish before their very eyes as you’re standin’ there witnessin’! LOL!!! In a humorous alter call, a pastor was givin’ his invitation and said, “If you’re gonna walk out those doors not FULLY knowing that you are saved, if you’re planning on going on a flight, the first thing I would do is to make sure the Pilot isn’t a Born Again Christian! THAT’S HOW CLOSE I BELIEVE WE ARE FOLKS!!!” I FULLY agree, that’s how close that I believe that we are!

            “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” – John 3:3 (KJV)

          • http://www.facebook.com/robbie.borot Robbie Borot

            THE PART ABOUT YOU SAYING IF A PERSON GOES THREW THE DOOR NOT KNOWING IF THEIR READY TO MEET CHRIST AND HOPE THAT THE PILOT IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN IS AWKWARD, IF THE PERSONS ON THE PLANE ARE NOT REAL CHRISTIANS AND THE PILOT IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN DURING THE RAPTURE THE PILOT WOULD DISAPPEAR THEN THE PLANE WOULD CRASH WITH NO PILOT. SO THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE THAT AREN’T SAVED WOULD DIE IN THE PLANE CRASH. UNLESS ONE OF THE PASSENGERS CAN TAKE OVER TO LAND THE PLANE SAFELY IT WOULD BENEFIT THE NON SAVED PASSENGERS TO HAVE A PILOT THAT WASN’T SAVED IN ORDER TO LAND THE PLANE, IF THE PASSENGERS WERE ALREADY SAVED WITH THE GRACE OF GOD THEN IT WOULDN’T MATTER IF THE PILOT WAS A CHRISTIAN OR NOT

          • CardinalMo

            In discussing rapture…the human body doesn’t change right? It goes straight to heaven still in human form…and never knows death? That can not be physically possible! For the body was created in the physical form…I don’t think the body would make it through space in one piece. The spirit however would.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Why do we always have to limit God to OUR scientific possibilities CM?! My poor old lost uncle (God rest his soul!) was constantly tryin’ to scientifically explain God’s miracles, such as the Red Sea crossing etc.! Let’s look at Jesus’ virgin birth, physically impossible right?! Jesus’ ressurection from the tomb? The bringin’ the dead back to life? The healing of someone with an incurable birth defect? ALL PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITIES CORRECT?!! Must we have a scientific explanation for them all?! Our finite minds have a scientific glass ceiling when it comes to the spiritual! Unless that poor old uncle had a deathbed conversion, he be present at the “Great White Throne Judgement” described at the end of Rev. chap. 20. I never tried to get through harder to anyone in my life! In some ways this uncle was very close, he was there alot of times that my dad wasn’t and I loved him very much!!! But if the look on his face as he layed in his coffin was any indication, he NEVER had that deathbed conversion!!! As I said, God rest his soul!

            The picture that I used for my thumbnail today is, according to Benjamin Creme, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Creme, is the second coming!!! He is called the Maitreya and currently resides in London and is waitin’ to be globally introduced in the NEAR future. DO NOT BE DECIEVED!!!

            “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.” – Luke 21:8 (KJV)

          • CardinalMo

            Tom.

            There is nothing in my question which is science really it is merely an obversation. And, I agree with you on about this fellow who claims to be Jesus. I’ll believe it when Jesus comes down in the clouds for all the world to see. No some guy who claims to be. And when a rapture happens…you better believe I’ll be jumping for joy.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            The BIG BANG theory CM, God spoke it and BANG it happened!!! This guy isnt claiming to be Jesus, Others are claiming him to be the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, the Mahdi, THE expected one of ALL religions!!! Especially the New Agers who claim him to be the Buddist second coming! It’s reported that he’s already had meetings with several HIGH ranking world leaders! He’s even said to have mysteriously appeared at a Muslim celebration! Out of thin air!!!

          • CardinalMo

            As you know I do not profess to be Christian. But, If what these people are reporting are true…..then this is the wrong guy!

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

            Of course he’s the WRONG guy but the Biblically ignorant DON’T know that! These are the same people who are too smart to believe in God, yet watch them ALL flock to this man who will make the claim that he is their guy! LOL!!!

            http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/How%20one%20is%20saved.htm

            The seed has been planted and I can tell that it is growing! A little water please Katrael.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Tom W. I’m sorry that I couldn’t do any watering yesterday. Forgive me.

            1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but YHWH gave the increase.
            1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but YHWH that giveth the increase.

            What did come to mind when I read your post was this:

            Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
            Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
            Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of YHWH.

            I have no wisdom of my own and I’m only putting down what comes to me:

            Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
            Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
            Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
            Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the set apart place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
            Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
            Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
            Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
            Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
            Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
            Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
            Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
            Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Messiah, or there; believe it not.
            Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false messiahs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
            Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
            Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
            Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

            The problem for many, as I see it Tom W., is that they are either confused when they read in the scriptures or they are convicted and have to put it away. Who can live with themselves when they feel guilty? What a person needs is to search their heart to understand why they feel guilt when they read the Scriptures then they need to read the Scriptures as if they don’t already know anything. There will always be things in the Scriptures that seem like they are: a mystery, outdated, preposterous and impossible but there are good reasons for EVERYTHING that is in them.

          • dawgbisquit1
          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            dawgbisquit1, I have no doubt that we’ll understand things better once we actually get to see.

          • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.