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Happy Ramadan!

July 17, 2013 by  

Happy Ramadan!
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“Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination.” –Quran 9:73

WASHINGTON, D.C., May 1, 1960: President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced Mayday greetings to communists around the world. The President stated: “On this sacred day for communists, Mamie and I want to extend our best wishes. For the world’s 1.5 billion communists I want them to know they play a significant part in shaping the world’s future, that May Day is a time for thoughtful reflection.”

WASHINGTON, D.C., July 8, 2013: President Barack Obama announced Happy Ramadan to the world, saying: “With the start of the sacred month of Ramadan, Michelle and I extend our best wishes to Muslim communities here in the United States and around the world. For the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims, Ramadan is a time for thoughtful reflection, fasting and devotion. It is also an opportunity for family and friends to come together and celebrate the principles that bind people of different faiths — a commitment to peace, justice, equality and compassion towards our fellow human beings. These bonds are far stronger than the differences that too often drive us apart.”

Obama concluded: “I wish Muslims across America and around the world a month blessed with the joys of family, peace and understanding. Ramadan Kareem.”

The President didn’t mention ritual rape, mass murder and the killing of infidels; you know; folks like us.

As for Ramadan Kareem, that sounds like the name of an NBA player who recently converted to Islam.

When I first read the President’s message, I didn’t have a clue what Kareem meant; but it bothered me that he did.

It also bothers me that Obama just doesn’t get it about Islam, or does he? He is displaying either a total ignorance about the War on Terror (here is a hint, Mr. President: Islam is involved) or, worse, he has sympathetic views toward Islam, its goals and the murderous means it will use to achieve them.

The dateline at the top is my ridiculous invention written for effect. The truth is that on May 1, 1960, Eisenhower gave his personal approval for Francis Gary Powers’ infamous U-2 flight across the Soviet Union. After Powers was shot down and with proof in hand, Nikita Khrushchev, the First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was furious. He felt Ike was openly taunting the Soviet Union during the most important communist day of the year.

What did Obama do? He told Muslims of every ilk to enjoy this joyous holiday and ended up sounding like the pope on Easter.

Of course, Obama apologists will argue that 99 percent of Islamic believers hold no harm in their hearts against the United States. That number is not accurate, as I will show in a moment; but let’s be generous for the time being and say OK to the Obamaites.

Even if we go along with the 1 percent number, that means 15 million Muslims in the world want to see grievous harm done to the United States. I am sorry that so many American liberals don’t realize that they are on the same hit list.

For the President or any reasonable person to declare that somehow Islam is not at the epicenter of terrorism is to argue that Spain wasn’t involved in the Spanish Inquisition.

Are there elements in Islam that are parallel to Communism 50 years ago? You bet, argues Mark Steyn in his book America Alone: The End Of The World As We Know It.

According to Steyn, the goal of millions of Muslims across the world is the takeover of Western cultures; but our politicians are so politically correct that that they are either apologists or appeasers to Islam.

“Nobody wants to be unpleasant, or judgmental, do they? What was it they said in the Cold War? Better dead than Red. We’re not like that anymore. Better screwed than rude,” wrote Steyn adding:

… [T]he political class prostrates itself before an insatiable force that barely acknowledges the latest surrender before moving on to the next invented grievance. Indeed, a formal enemy is all but superfluous to requirements. Bomb us, and we agonize over the “root causes.” Decapitate us, and our politicians rush to the nearest mosque to declare that “Islam is a religion of peace.” Issue blood-curdling calls at Friday prayers to kill all the Jews and infidels, and we fret that it may cause a backlash against Muslims. Behead sodomites and mutilate female genitalia, and gay groups and feminist groups can’t wait to march alongside you…

One Poll Liberals Won’t Like

Obama supporters often pick and choose the polls that make their President look favorable. Here is a poll they can chew on, a WorldPublicOpinion.org poll from 2009:

  • 24 percent of Palestinians approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 30 percent of Palestinians approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 11 percent of Jordanians approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 15 percent of Jordanians approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 9 percent of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 12 percent of Pakistanis approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 8 percent of Egyptians approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 7 percent of Egyptians approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 8 percent of Turks approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 10 percent of Turks approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 7 percent of Moroccans approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 7 percent of Moroccans approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 5 percent of Indonesians approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 6 percent of Indonesians approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.
  • 4 percent of Azerbaijanis approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 7 percent of Azerbaijanis approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries.

I am pretty sure the numbers haven’t got better in the past four years. They are probably worse. That means there is zero truth to the 1 percent number that is so often bandied about by liberals.

Add up the numbers above; throw in places like Yemen, Chechnya and God knows where else; and we are talking about tens of millions, even hundreds of millions, of Muslims who approve of attacks against America. In total, I suspect a greater number of Islamists want to blow up the United States now than the number of Soviets who were in favor of doing it during the Cold War.

Muslims And Cowboys

This year, I took my wife out to the Calgary Stampede for her birthday along with our daughter and her boyfriend. Calgary is a city of 1 million people, and 1 million people go through the turnstiles each year to see what is called “The Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth.” It is mostly a giant state fair along with the best rodeo cowboys in the world competing for 10 days.

This year, parking was especially difficult in part because the city is getting over a horrific flood and because the city of Calgary erected a giant tent mosque so that Muslim cab drivers can pray during Ramadan. Forty percent of all taxi drivers in Calgary are Muslim. (No word as of yet if customers are left inside the cab with the meter running while their cabbie is inside on his knees facing Mecca.)

This might seem strange if you are from Birmingham, Ala., or Reno, Nev.; but it is what you would expect in Calgary, home to Baitun Nur mosque complex, a 48,000 square foot building erected by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Calgary. It is the largest mosque in North America. The good news is that if you visit Calgary, Baitun Nur’s website welcomes you to come in and pray.

Now imagine anything close to this happening in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Each year, that city hosts the Janadriyah National Culture and Heritage Festival at a huge “desert-encircled fairground” that attracts 600,000 visitors over two weeks.

You won’t find any Christian tents at that festival. In fact, you won’t find any Christian churches anywhere in Saudi Arabia. Justice Minister Mohammed al-Issa said in April that Saudi Arabia, “does not allow the establishment of non-Muslim places of worship.”

Is it just me or does this not look like a two-way friendship? I may be wrong, but I do not recall King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia ever wishing Christians a Merry Christmas. Yet President Barack seemed effusive in talking about Ramadan. That strikes me as odd.

I am hardly the only one. Brigitte Gabriel is a Christian who escaped Islamic terror in her homeland of Lebanon. She told The Daily Caller she is afraid she will lose her liberties twice in one lifetime because of the Obama Presidency.

“President Obama is transforming the country right before our own eyes. He is sending a message to our enemies that America is weak, America is a paper tiger,” Gabriel said. “He is apologizing for America at any opportunity he can, and that is unacceptable.”

Gabriel added: “I think that if America is that bad in his eyes maybe he needs to step aside and appoint somebody where we can have a commander in chief who is proud of the United States and everything the United States has done.”

I could not agree more. But, then again, what do we Christians know? Infidels like us don’t fast and pray during the Holy Month of Ramadan. I can only hope it stays that way for my children and my grandchildren.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers 

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Peter

    i-slam by its very nature and the content of its ‘holy scriptures’, the most intolerant, hate-filled, racist and barbarically violent ideology on the face of the earth.

    There is no compromise in i-slam.

    None.

    Jews are to be exterminated, in fact it is a condition for the consummation of the so-called ‘last day’ which will not come until all Jews are exterminated. (sound familiar?)

    Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_p4B0vN488

    Infidels, you and me, are also to be either converted to i-slam or exterminated.

    These are facts directly from the qur’an, they are NOT made up!

    • Harold Olsen

      Islam is not a religion. Islam has become a cult. Religions do not convert people by force. They convert people by evangelism. People who are converted by force are not really converts.

      • Devasahayam

        “Islam has become a cult”…It was that from the get-go, when founded by a goonda.

        “People who are converted by force are not really converts” — exactly the opposite of what Muslims have been known to preach, in 1971 descendants of forced converts (mohajirs and Muslim-Punjabis, mostly in Porkistan’s criminal army) were lauded as heroes vs descendants of voluntary converts (Bengali Muslims, of whom 2.3 million were murdered by the mohajirs, Punjabis and their bihari non-uniformed toadys).

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Not true, they made a choice to convert to Islam. Saying otherwise is just making excuses for them.

          • Devasahayam

            You’re really ignorant of history — the ancestors of both perps and victims were the converts (of the perps, by force); the perps and victims were Muslims by birth!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            It still boils down to a simple reality, the people chose to be Muslims. It didn’t matter that the choice was not voluntary but by coercion or whose antecedent was a precedent (ancestors or perps). Their tea leaves, the stars, the shape of the plops of the turds of the sheep/goat did not make them be Muslims. Choose ye this day whom you will serve or choose blessings or a curse, or choose life or death.

          • S.C.Murf

            Amen Nadzieja Amen

            up the hill
            airborne

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            SC Murf?

      • Sue Berryhill

        Islam is more than a religion, it is a political system. Even more than that, it controls every aspect of its adherents’ lives. Their goal is to make Islam dominant in the whole world.

        • IsThisAmerica

          Yes they want to dominate the entire world. That is their number 1 goal.

          • PhillyFreedom

            They sound like the U.S. Gov’t as far as wanting to control the world.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            There is an inner circle of Islam that makes the rules, the followers in general are just useful idiots to be used. You think the inner circle would allow and let go of the power?

      • mark

        I guess you don’t know much about the history of Christianity. Just take a look at Charlemagne’s forced conversions of the Saxons of Germany in the late 8th and early 9th centuries. He slaughtered tens of thousands of them until they finally converted from their faith to Christianity at the point of a bloody sword. The same held true in Medieval Spain where an 800 year crusade called the Reconquista finally conquered the Muslim Moors converting them again via the bloody sword in the name of Christ and his holy warriors. The Crusades contained numerous other examples as did the Reformation and Counter-Reformation when the Wars of Religion – Catholic vs. Protestant raged for a century and a half. You have a very innocent view of Christianity, Harold. Read a little more history on it as an extremely violent and intolerant movement that of course also included the horrific 4-century-long Inquisition that tortured and murdered thousands in the most horrific manner to get them to renounce “heretical” beliefs and return to the faith of Christ. And both the Catholics and Protestants conducted Inquisitions that murdered and tortured thousands although the Catholic version was broader and had more longevity.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          We read history, but you are apparently selective in which people and groups you excuse. WHO said Charlemagne was a Christian?

          • mark

            The pope who crowned Charlemagne Holy Roman Emperor in a huge cathedral in Rome on Christmas Day 800. Also his family priest who baptized him and gave him all the sacraments, his priest confessor, and the Catholic monks who educated him in the faith. The Inquisition was the official policy of the Catholic Church authorized by the popes as were the Crusades, and the Wars of Religion. The Catholic Church certainly did many good things as well but to ignore its history of violent conversion is a disservice to humanity. Most other faiths – Christian and non-Christian – have similar deplorable records in this regard. I wouldn’t call it selective either to respond to Harold’s unjustified claim that Islam cannot be a religion because during times in its history some of its followers believed in forced conversions. Virtually all faiths have believed in this.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Psychopathic Leaders have used Religion as their excuse to wreak havoc on Society throughout history. Now they have been replaced by Leaders who use Faux Science and Progressivism to wreak that havoc.

    • FreedomFighter

      Islam is Satan’s army on earth. Everything they stand for is the antithesis of Christian belief. Convert or Murder, enslavement of women, murder of gays, takeover the world by force, burn Christians, wipe out the Jews, lie, steal, cheat those not of your faith, and it goes on and on — pure evil.

      Islam is a cult, a cult of death, a political system of totalitarian control — just what the satan ordered. There savior the Mahdi even climbs out of a pit.

      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Devasahayam

        Crore percent on the nail!

      • mark

        Apparently you have zero knowledge of Islam’s centuries-old historical record of religious tolerance for Christians, Hindus, Buddhist, and Jews within its many empires of the Medieval and Early Modern eras. If Islam was so intolerant throughout its history then why did significant religious minorities of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, and Hindus live within the Muslim-dominated regions of the Middle East, North Africa, South, Central and Southeast Asia? To be sure recently fanatics like yourself, though radical believers of a perverted version of Islam (like the Klan and Aryan Nations adhere to a perverted version of Christianity) have murdered and tragically persecuted Jews and Christians who live in these regions driving many of them out. But you cannot ignore the historical record of tolerance that Islam practiced for some 14 centuries, a far better record of tolerance in that period than was displayed by most Christian states and polities. For some basic history on the complexity of all this, see:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions

        • Nadzieja Batki

          ALL Parasites need hosts to live but especially if they are productive.

          • mark

            And this is why all the “parasitical” Christians in the United States allow religious minorities like Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Confucians, etc. to flourish – because the majority “parasitical” Christians need hosts to feed on? What a bizarre and warped view of our tolerant American society. And of those tolerant Islamic nations listed above that admirably practice respect for other people’s faiths.

          • mark

            Why do you view majority religionists as parasites? Do you consider U.S. Christians as parasites who feed off the hosts of minority religious groups like Jews,
            Muslims, Confucianists, Buddhists, Taoists, and Hindus who flourish in the United States? All these groups exercise religious freedom and rights in majority Muslim states such as Indonesia, Malaysia, and
            Bangladesh.

        • FreedomFighter

          You obviously don’t know your history and ignore the present.

          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

          • mark

            I admitted to some of the current persecution and murders of Christian by radical Muslims in my previous post if you read it carefully. But even today tens of thousands of Confucians, Taoists, Buddhist, and Christians practice their faiths and exercise full religious rights in Indonesia, Malaysia, and Bangladesh where the majority faith is Islam. I do know the present. But you are concentrating solely on the most intolerant regions of the Middle East.

          • Peter

            mark, you have absolutely NO IDEA! I know people PERSONALLY, who have traveled extensively in Malaysia and other muslim countries.

            I have been to Indonesia many times myself.

            Here is the truth:

            Female babies and children left on the doorsteps of mosques, where they are raised as sex slaves to the imams, then when they have outlived their usefulness as sex slaves, they are killed.

            For those who don’t make it to the mosque doorstep, well, they are simply thrown out with the garbage.

            Zero human rights for non-muslims. Anything goes…absolutely anything. Without recourse.

            Now look to current events in the piddle east.

            How many Coptic Christians and other non-muslims have been beheaded in the last month?

            At least four that I know of.

            Then there has been the children who have been kidnapped, like the boy taken from outside his Christian Church, with a ransom demanded of his parents.

            The parents paid the ransom, only to find their son having been murdered mercilessly and his body thrown down a toilet pit.

            Grow up, please!

          • mark

            No, I acknowledge the persecution of Jews and Christians in the Middle East today by Muslim radicals. But Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Confucianists, and Taoists continue to practice their religious freedom and exercise their religious rights in majority Islamist countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Malaysia. All Muslims are not intolerant. This is true today and was even more true in the very recent past. In Iraq for instance, Christian and Zoroastrian minorities were protected until the 2003 U.S. invasion which allowed radicals condemning the attack as a new Christian Crusade against Islam ( something you no doubt approve of) to whip up religious fears and begin murdering and persecuting these minorities. The Bush administration played a big role in bring this tragedy to fruition.

          • mark

            No, I acknowledge the persecution of Jews and Christians in the Middle East today by
            Muslim radicals. But Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Confucianists, and Taoists continue to practice their religious freedom and exercise their
            religious rights in majority Islamist countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh, and
            Malaysia. All Muslims are not intolerant. This is true today and was even more true in the very recent past. In Iraq for instance, Christian and Zoroastrian minorities were protected until the 2003 U.S. invasion which allowed radicals condemning the attack as a new Christian Crusade against Islam ( something you no doubt approve of) to whip up religious fears and begin murdering and persecuting these minorities. The Bush administration
            played a big role in bring this tragedy to fruition.

        • Sue Berryhill

          Islamic “tolerance” in the past for Jews and Christians meant that they were second class citizens, did not have the same rights as Muslims, had to pay the “jizya,” a tax paid only by non-Muslims. And if they refused to pay the jizya, they were killed. That’s tolerance?

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Check this: WHO IS allah?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFMfViDLoEc

        And The Truth about Muhammad
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyoyzlQRB2o

        • Bob666

          Ah yes,

          You-Tube, the bastion & repository of both truth and knowledge.

          Would be #1 on the KGB Propaganda list if the USSR was still around.

  • Harold Olsen

    Why are people surprised at his support of Muslims? After all, he is a Muslim. On at least two occasions, he has admitted it, though his supporters continue denying that he is one. Idiots in the media refuse to acknowledge he is a Muslim. Idiots like Megyn Kelly on Fox says he no Muslim because he says he isn’t. That’s good enough for her.

    • Iris D. Lynch

      Perhaps she is trying to stay on the air and do what she can. I do not think she is an idiot, nor do I think you are one. It is vital that we each understand the POWER that we are up against. I would not use a pea shooter against a rifle and I understand when I have the POWER to make a difference and when I don’t . Instead, I live another day and look for opportunities. ..and I NEVER give up.

      • Bill

        Hi Iris,
        How is the book doing?

        • Iris D. Lynch

          It is doing OK. I will be having 3 seminars (locally) this early fall and I continue to get great feedback. I wish that I could give away books to teens, but then they probably wouldn’t value them!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You sound like a wise lady, Iris:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piYxPCjKoJ4

          • Iris D. Lynch

            And so are you…and you located me!

            Thanks!

            Iris

          • Bill

            I am happy for you. Iris
            It is always refreshing to hear your upbeat attitude.
            If we are not careful, we can get hung up in the negativity of politics. Our revenge is creating our own reality and doing what we can within our own power.
            I am about to start a book but it will be a rip snortin, action packed fiction story

          • Iris D. Lynch

            Sounds interesting!

            Thanks you for your comments,

            Iris

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So Megan Kelly knows who butters her bread and that boot she will keep licking.

        • Iris D. Lynch

          I suspect you know who butters yours…only a fool kicks their food supply into the toilet!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So as long as the bread is buttered there is no reason to check if it is tainted.

          • Iris D. Lynch

            Silly girl, who said you should swallow everything? As you can see, I DON”T!

    • Don 2

      Reality is that it is perfectly permissible for Muslims (Obama) to lie to Infidels like us Westerners, in order to further the goal of Islam.

  • Sue Berryhill

    I believe Obama knows very well what he is doing. He has members of the Muslim Brotherhood (which has vowed to destroy the U.S. in writing) occupying high positions in his administration. He ignored the green revolution in Iran, which was for freedom, but supported any of the “Arab spring” revolutions which presented an opportunity for the Muslim Brotherhood to increase their power or take over. Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR), an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial (for funding Muslim terrorists), has been allowed to dictate what our military, FBI and other law enforcement personnel are taught about terrorism — and it does not include “Islamic” or “Muslim.” I could go on. IMO, Obama is a Muslim sympathizer, at the least. Based on his actions in this country in regard to our military, the above-mentioned training, and other things, I must wonder if he is setting us up to be taken down (or over) by the Muslims.

    Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist? The specific quote by the Muslim Brotherhood referred to above is, “…their [Muslims] work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” Is it conspiracy to believe what they say? Is it conspiracy to wonder why the President of the U.S. has members of this group within his administration?

    • Vigilant

      So much for libertarian claims that WE are at fault for attacks upon Americans. Nothing could be clearer than the MB statement that they want to destroy us BECAUSE we are “infidels.”

      • Sue Berryhill

        Libertarian? Isn’t it the liberal/progressives who think that way?

        • Vigilant
          • Sue Berryhill

            Ah. I knew Ron Paul was not a friend of Israel’s. Didn’t realize he thought this, too. Another reason not to like him.

          • PhillyFreedom

            Ron Paul has supported Israel when no one else in Congress would.

            He has also consistently supported ENDING U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s enemies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            America and Great Britain have been meddling in the Middle East for many decades. Why is it so hard to believe that fanatics would like to punish America for that?
            That’s assuming also that the 9/11 attacks weren’t really just another False Flag like those that psychopathic Politicians have fomented throughout history to get their way with the gullible public:
            http://911falseflag.com/video.php
            Why is the US really in the Middle East?
            In 2000 Iraq began selling its oil in euros.
            In 2006 Syria switched all of the state’s foreign currency transactions to euros from dollars.
            In 2009 Iran completely stopped conducting oil transactions in U.S. dollars.
            In 2011 Libyan Leader Ghadafi decided to to pursue a gold standard and reject dollars for oil payments.
            http://2012patriot.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/new-libyan-gold-dinar/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            This makes America new friends?
            http://collateralmurder.com/
            Take off the blinders, Folks. The NeoConservative Progressive Leaders are playing you for fools, just like the Liberal Progressive Leaders are playing their followers for fools. It’s all about Leaders feathering their own nests and those of their supporting Crony Capitalists at the rest of our expense.
            How else would you explain how our Leaders stick up for Dictators around the world? As long as they’re making money they’re happy. When they aren’t happy, they send the military.
            You need to read this, Sue, and wake to reality:
            http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Something else to think about, Sue:
            http://www.armytimes.com/article/20120209/NEWS/202090331/Ron-Paul-gets-most-military-donations
            Now, why would the military people, who know more about what’s going on over there than any of us, contribute mostly to Ron Paul?
            And where do you get the idea that Ron Paul dislikes Israel, Sue? He thinks we ought to butt out of other countries’ affairs, and WE ought to. He doesn’t think that the Government has a right to give other peoples’ money away to individuals or to countries full of individuals, and he is correct about that.
            Here is what Ron Paul says:
            http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/national-defense/

            If you want to know what somebody thinks, ask the person if you can, or listen to what they actually have to say. But certainly don’t get your opinions of that person from an ideologue like Vigilant.

          • Vigilant

            Apparently you didn’t bother to look at that link I provided. “Vigilant’s opinions” were not cited in that article. Ron Paul’s own words were.

            Note to Sue Berryhill: Dave’s definition of “ideologue” is someone who doesn’t agree 100% with his point of view.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No Vigilant. Anybody, who has read enough of your comments, knows that you are indeed an ideologue.

          • Vigilant

            “Also Sprach Dave the True Believer.”

      • PhillyFreedom

        There is nothing in libertarian thought that says the ONLY reason Americans are being attacked is because our government is occupying foreign countries. U.S. Gov’t occupation just makes it convenient for terrorists to attack and easier to prioritize whom to attack first.

        • FreedomFighter

          “Dead Dog Jihad”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CGC9I1E3_I
          The intolerance of everyday Muslims is repeated all over the world — they will beat and kill you for just walking or owning a dog–mankind’s best friend.
          Laus DeoSemper FI

          • Nadzieja Batki

            How long before they have legislation passed to prohibit people owning dogs? But then what would the dog food companies, the flee meds and shampoo companies, the doggie pads and diapers companies, and all the vets do without dogs. Maybe those little incidentals are keeping the US free in spite of the termites biting away the foundation.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please cite all the American deaths that have been caused by Muslims.
            Here are just a small sample of Muslim deaths caused by Americans:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

          • FreedomFighter

            Google “Terrorist Attacks” then count, or maybe “Twin Towers” then you can move to history and the creation of the Marine Corps “to the shores of Tripoli”. America’s first war was with MUSLIM PIRATES, then move to Muslims siding with HITLER and now joined up with COMMUNISTS countries…

            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            FF,
            If you have the time to do that, then you have the time to read this book and think about it:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

        • Vigilant

          And cite me something in Muslim thought that says their attacks will cease if we pull out everywhere in the world. The Muslim Brotherhood statement was, I repeat, clear.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, and we have our whacked New Black Panthers. Do they represent all Blacks? Of course not.

          • Vigilant

            Straw man argument. Where did I say the Muslim Brotherhood represents all Muslims?

            I don’t fear the majority of Muslims or Blacks. They are not the ones killing Americans and fomenting unrest.

            The NBP is an extremist organization that can do harm. The extremist Muslim factions can do us even greater harm, and have.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Right here, Vigilant.
            Vigilant says — “The difference is, the Islamists want to kill you whether you meddle or not”.
            You are given to Hyperbole, Vigilant.

          • Vigilant

            Learn the difference between Muslims and Islamists and you may wish to change that incorrect assertion.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Vigilant

            Allow me to clarity: I equate the term militant Islam with Islamism. A proponent of Islamism is an Islamist.

            The link you provided is of no bearing because it shows the difference between Muslim and Islam. My comment enjoined you to learn the difference between Muslim and IslamIST.

            Capish?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Vigilant says — “I equate the term militant Islam with Islamism”.
            There you go. Why didn’t you just say “militant Islamics” in the first place?

          • Vigilant

            My apologies. “Islamist” is a relatively common term.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If I started meddling heavily in your personal business, Vigilant, would you be more inclined to kill me or to hug me?

          • Vigilant

            Neither. The difference is, the Islamists want to kill you whether you meddle or not.

            I’m sure the 3,000 who died on 9/11 were not ALL meddling in the affairs of the Middle East.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Whoever really killed those 3,000 are sick psychopathic animals. But neither of us knows who really did it. And even if we did, it wouldn’t justify the killing of anybody who worshiped the same way they do.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry, when you get into wacked out 9/11 conspiracy theories, I leave the room rather than engage in a discussion that could not possibly be rational.

            “And even if we did, it wouldn’t justify the killing of anybody who worshiped the same way they do.”

            Another straw man. Cite, please, where I ever said or implied such.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you against our Middle East involvement, Vigilant?
            Wasn’t that predicated on the 9/11 attacks?
            Have we not killed (or caused to be killed) tens of thousands of Muslims because of our Middle East involvement based on 9/11?
            Weren’t the accused perps Saudi Arabians?
            Didn’t we leave Saudi Arabia alone?

            You can bob and weave all you want, Vigilant, but the readers can see you comments no matter how you try to spin them.

          • Vigilant

            To answer your first question, it’s a qualified “yes.” I’ll explain below.

            Your second question is answered with a “no,” 9/11 was not the genesis of our involvement in the Middle East. Our involvement goes back considerably before 9/11.

            As for your third question, yes, many thousands have died as a result of our response to 9/11 in Afghanistan. Whether or not Iraq was in response to 9/11 is debatable, but irrelevant since we shouldn’t have gone there in the first place. Nation building is a fruitless enterprise, and Bush’s meddling served to accomplish the opposite of what he intended: he badly DEstabilized the area and upset the balance of power, giving Iran the strong hand that it holds today.

            To return to the first question, we should have had no part in Libya. We should continue sanctions against Iran until it gives up its nuclear aspirations, and we should continue our financial support to the Egyptian Army as the guarantor of peace with Israel, and as agreed in the Camp David accords..

            As for Israel, we should furnish them with 100% of our political support, and with financial and military aid against the encroachments of terrorist factions by whom they are surrounded.

            My positions are considered after much thought, and admittedly conflict with the naïve black-and-white views of those who find shallow and facile “all or nothing” solutions to complex problems

            P.S. We left Saudi Arabia alone because bin Laden and Al Qaeda were physically resident in Afghanistan, guests of the Taliban. It was because of his extremism that bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia.

          • Bob666

            Vigilant,
            One of the better worded post that I have seen on the subject. I would agree with about 80% of you comments.

          • humandegradation

            very inocent vew of humans! Not even children behave like that!

          • PhillyFreedom

            Attacks may not cease but they will probably decrease and will almost certainly NOT increase. Can’t hurt and will probably help.

          • Vigilant

            You may be100% right (and I agree with you, BTW), but that’s only speculation.

            It seems necessary that I clarify my position. I am NOT for military adventurism on the part of the US. The USG is as overextended internationally as it is domestically, and we need to withdraw from MOST foreign bases, European and Far Eastern in particular.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Read this:
        http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
        Better yet, read this:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf
        The US and Great Britain have been messing with the Middle East for at least the last 70 years.
        If we had Mexicans or Canadians butting into our business how would you feel about them?

        • John Myers

          Excellent point Dave!
          I always wonder what those with courage and outrage would do if Chinese Red Army troops occupied our cities and towns and patrolled our streets. I would hope I would take action even if it cost me my life.
          The Neocons never seem to get this point.
          Best,
          John

    • Don 2

      Sue, you are right on target. Obama is leading the way for Islam in America via “Political Jihad” from the highest office in the land.

    • smilee

      You have been listening to Michelle Bachman TO LONG and that is her beliefs and everyone knows she is full of [expletive deleted]

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Really, how do you know who listens to Bachman? But apparently you listen as you were told to do.

        • smilee

          I listen to all sides and opinions and that is why I know her idiotic views on almost all things. I use my own mind and nobody tells me whom to listen to me and that is the problem with so many on this site as they do not

      • Sue Berryhill

        Yep, keep thinking that way. I guess Bachmann also wrote the Muslim Brotherhood “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America” back in May 1991, just to fake us all out about that “peaceful” “secular” organization’s intents, hmmm? Just go on drinking the Kool-Aid.

  • IsThisAmerica

    Obama is an obamanation to this country. He’s 1. Liar 2. muslim 3. racist and he could care less about this country except to gain total control which I think has been done. Our congress, senate and house do absolutely nothing to him. Remember the OLD saying, we will be taken over from within without a shot fired.

    • me

      He won’t go soon enough. It will be too long before he is gone. I hope too hellHillary doesn”t follow. we’ll have the same as President Owebunhole. McCain’s wacko birds are what we need for the good of the country.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        McCain? Are you serious? He’s the quintessential NeoConservative who wants to take away our Freedom and support his favorite Crony Capitalists with an ever-larger Government.

        • KENYAN KRUSHER

          McCain is part of the power elite/Bildergbergers….he is as phony as they come, even a phony war hero, who actually spilled his guts to the Vietnamese to avoid torture!

    • Bill

      Is This America,
      You forgot “Socialist”

      • RAND PAUL IN 2016

        The way Obummer & his partner in crime, Holder, try to stifle free speech & dissent of their policies makes them more like Commies than Socialists!

  • Al Chemist

    Liberals and Muslims have one thing in common. They both accept pedophilia as a way of life. Muslims take it one step further and accept rape of children…but only if you are a Muslim.

    • smilee

      An awful lot of those Catholic priests push conservative beliefs and they not only accept pedophilia but practice it in many cases. I never met a liberal that accepted, it in fact all I know are detest it. I do not know where you get your BS. Don’t really know any Muslims views on the subject

      • $38568276

        Only Libs would give cover to NAMBLA or bestiality, etc…Once you let 2 men marry each other, the Genie is out of the bottle & there are no more standards, the barricades are broken & anything goes!! Soon you will see 4, 5,6 people get married! Truth is this: There is deeply entrenched, culturally acceptable homosexual pedophilia in Afghanistan & our military, president, & state dept. have said ZIPPO about it… add that in to the propping up of Karzai & his corrupt family of opium growers (90% of the world’s), we are making big time karma there!!

        • smilee

          WOW are you for real????? How can anyone be so ignorant. Did you not see I said I did not any Muslims or their views apparently you do or your BSing us.

      • Vigilant

        ” I do not know where you get your BS.”

        How ’bout the public record and common sense. two things of which you have no familiarity.

        The absolute gall of you to attempt to relate NAMBLA with Conservatism. “Useful idiot” is the only appellation suitable for you.

        • $38568276

          The only people who have given approval of NAMBLA have been LIbs…that is a fact!

        • smilee

          I never mentioned Nambla or equated with conservatism that is just your spin and spin is the only thing you understand and do reasonably well. The public record is full of law suits against priests and their handlers and it is no secret that the problem is a major one, common sense is that it is criminal and plain wrong it is not something you can seem to understand and not knowledgeable of

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Define “conservative beliefs” because that word is bandied about without knowing what it means.

      • Al Chemist

        The Prophet was a pedophile as are many of his followers. That is a historical fact! Do you think Jesus Christ was a pedophile? Pedophilia is not accepted by the Catholic Church. Yes, there have been priests who were pedophiles, but very few. I am not a Catholic, but I will defend them on this.

        Do you think NAMBLA is a Conservative organization or a liberal organization?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The question would be — How does the rate of pedophilia among Catholic priests compare to the rate of pedophilia in the general population of adult males?
          I did find this:
          http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0011.html

          No doubt the furor over Priestly Pedophilia is directly related to the Socialistic desire to rid our country of religion, because religion teaches people that it is wrong to Steal, no matter how large the group of Thieves is.

          • Al Chemist

            Good post.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Thanks for the information on the rate of pedophilia among Catholic priests. No thanks though for the misinformation on Socialists wanting to get rid of religion. Maybe some socialists but not Socialists in general.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s what Socialist Leaders do, Louis. Maybe not the Followers so much. Look at the history of Russia and China. Socialist Leaders don’t like the competition offered by Religious Authorities. And Socialism is all about the Leaders.
            Read this (written by a Socialist):
            http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlets/socialism-and-religion
            Ironically, I am athiest. I am also Libertarian and believe that people should be Free to trade and contract with whomever they want, so peoples’ religious beliefs do not threaten me because I seek no Power over their lives.

        • smilee

          It is not accepted by the catholic church officially but their actions speak very load to the contrary as the church went a very long way to cover up the crimes of the many priests and there are many and it is not a minor problem but a major one. I do not think you can characterize NAMBLA as either as neither party supports them, but far right radicals do every they can to call it a liberal group but there is no evidence either party supports them.It probably has members from both sides, I do not know or support anything they do.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Your comment is typically loaded with horse pucky, Sleepee.
        See my comment to Al Chemist below.

    • Ibn Insha

      Where did you get this information? Probably while sleeping. Talk about ignorance.

      • Louis Lemieux

        I don’t think he’s serious, but look at all the thumbs up he gets! Just proves to you mostly what kind of people communicates on this site.

      • Al Chemist

        I think my post is totally accurate, and it was meant to shock. Go to barenakedislam.com and check out some of the videos there if you really want to be shocked: beheadings, rape of children and so on. Those videos are real, and some of them are taken by Muslims like they were proud of it. That’s just one site; there are others. By the way, I have read the Koran…cover to cover.

  • Warrior

    Let’s see the choices. Live under “Islamic” rule or “progressive” rule. Some choices eh? A whole lot of people need to “wise up”.

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Warrior
      We are going to lose this country because people keep getting dumber and dumber. Like The Duke said; Life is tough, it is even tougher if you are stupid

  • KG

    Mr Meyers, or is that Le Pétomane? There is one thing I have learned from listening to you. Not all conservatives are Racist, but all racists are Conservative. It seems you have been reading the koran? How about what the Bible says? Let’s find out-

    For the LORD your God will bless you [Canada] as he has promised … You will rule over many nations, but none will rule over you.
    — Deuteronomy 15:6

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
    — 1 Samuel 15:3

    The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it.”
    — Exodus 12:43

    The LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take for yourself an adulterous wife and unfaithful children…”
    — Hosea 1:2

    There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
    — Ezekiel 23:20

    In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you.
    — Deuteronomy 20:16-17

    Hummm…..sounds like the kettle calling the pot black, eh?

    • Peter

      Hmmmm KG, let’s see if you understand context? I think not.

      Have you read the qur’an? I think not.

      The Torah is a historical text, Its imperatives are for the people of that time. They are superseded by the New Testament, or ‘New Covenant’ in Jesus’ death and resurrection, if you choose to believe in that.

      I will assume you don’t believe in the saving power of Jesus’ sacrifice, just for the sake of this argument.

      The simple truth is that the Torah is a historical text, written as an account of histories past.

      The qur’an on the other hand, is written not just as a historical text, but as an absolute and non-time-delimited imperative for all muslims from the 7th century through to the so-called ‘end of days’, to act in the ways dictated by the qur’an.

      That is, to kill all Jews, otherwise the end of days will not come.

      So, as neither mohammed nor Hitler could complete the job, it must be up to all muslims to finish of the genocide of the Jews, to ensure the ‘end of days’ will arrive as expected.
      This is also why no peace accord is possible between palestine and Israel.

      The qur’an also dictates the enslavement of all infidels, (you and me), unless they choose to convert to i-slam. It allows for all non-i-slamic property to be simply taken by any muslim who desires it. This property includes your wife, your daughters and any ‘property’ you may own, and you will have zero recourse against it.

      Do your research, you will find I am correct 100%.

    • Sue Berryhill

      Those quotes, except for Hosea and Ezekiel (both prophets), were for specific circumstances. Find me a quote from the New Testament where Jesus tells His followers, if unbelievers do not accept your message, kill them. Then we’ll be talking apples and apples, not the oranges you’ve brought up.

      • KG

        Sue, you are absolutely correct. And that’s the reason I posted what I did.

        • KG

          OOOPS!

          Luke 19
          King James Version (KJV)

          27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

          Hmmm…sound’s a lot like Jihad?

          • Nadizieja Batki

            But Christ is not reigning on the Earth as King as yet so get your timeline correct. The Rapture hasn’t happened, the Antichrist has not been revealed, The TEMPLE has not been rebuilt, The Great War has not occurred against Israel and the Jews, An earthquake has not split Jerusalem in two with a river in between.

            So being pedantic won’t work for you, there are people who read and study all things contrary to what you believe.

          • Katrael

            Yep, you have it correctly pegged, in the day when יהוה ‘s son יהושע reigns on this earth you will have to follow יהוה ‘s law or you’ll be his enemy.

          • Karolyn

            In reading the two articles I just linked, I can see where there are similarities in what the Bible says and what the Koran says. The hateful writings were done at particular times in history when they were pertinent to the times, and literal readers will take them at face value. That’s what extremists do.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Find me a passage in the Koran where it says to kill someone who refuses to believe the Muslim faith.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Which god, Louis Lemieux?

          • Louis Lemieux

            ?????????

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Louis requests: “Find me a passage in the Koran where it says to kill someone who refuses to believe the Muslim faith.”

          Here are just a few Satanic verses (suras) of the “prophet” muhammed (Satan’s apostle) for his followers:

          “Slay the UNBELIEVERS wherever you find them.” Koran, Sura 2:191

          “Make war on the INFIDELS living in your neighborhood.” Koran, Sura 9:123

          “When opportunity arises, KILL the INFIDELS WHEREVER YOU CATCH THEM.” Koran, Sura 9:5

          “Any religion other than Islam is NOT ACCEPTABLE.” Koran, Sura 3:85

          “Maim [Dismember, Disfigure, Harm, Mutilate] and
          CRUCIFY the INFIDELS IF THEY CRITICIZE ISLAM” Koran, Sura 5:33

          “The Jews and the Christians are PERVERTS; FIGHT THEM.” Sura 9:30

          “Punish THE UNBELIEVERS with garments of FIRE, HOOKED IRON RODS, BOILING WATER; MELT THEIR SKIN AND BELLIES.” Koran, Sura 22:19

          “The UNBELIEVERS are stupid; URGE the Muslims to FIGHT THEM.” Koran, Sura 8:65

          “Muslims must not take the INFIDELS as friends.” Koran, Sura 3:28

          “TERRORIZE and BEHEAD those WHO BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES OTHER THAN the Qur’an.” Koran, Sura 8:12

          “Muslims must muster all weapons to TERRORIZE the INFIDELS.” Sura 8:60

          “Those that DENY Our’an revelations We will BURN IN FIRE. No sooner will their skins be consumed than
          We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. Allah is mighty and wise.” Sura 4:56

          “I [muhammed] shall cast TERROR into the hearts of the INFIDELS. STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS, STRIKE OFF THE VERY TIPS OF THEIR FINGERS.” Sura 8:12

          The historical FACTS are showing the TRUE nature of the religion of “peace”.

          ***Louis, I am SURE you know that “INFIDELS” and “UNBELIEVERS” in koran are those who refuses to believe the Muslim faith

          Islam does not preach universal “brotherhood”, but Islamic domination thru violence and hatred; open contempt and intolerance for ANY other faith and values.

          “Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate” sais British Mullah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=277VlYcZODI

          “C.A.I.R. BS” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E79WO2fvz6U

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmf7mgPA48

          “Islamic Street Justice” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaFwKp9OdTc

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwIAjNCXis8

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtIYM8JRwI

          • Louis Lemieux

            “The Quran expressly and unambiguously prohibits the use of coercion in faith because coercion would violate a fundamental human right—the right to a free conscience. A different belief system is not deemed a legitimate cause for violence or war under Islamic law. The Quran is categorical on this: “There shall be no compulsion in religion” (2:256); “Say to the disbelievers: “To you, your beliefs, to me, mine” (109:1-6)
            “The Quran’s teachings on matters of war and peace have become topics of heated discussion in recent years. On the one hand, some critics claim that certain verses of the Quran sanction military action against unbelievers as a whole both during the lifetime of Muhammad and after. The Quran says “Fight in the name of your religion with those who fight against you.” On the other hand, other scholars argue that such verses of the Quran are interpreted out of context, and argue that when the verses are read in context it clearly appears that the Quran prohibits aggression, and allows fighting only in self-defense.” ( Wikipedia )

          • Vigilant

            It also clearly appears in events of the last couple of decades that the Muslim extremists have disregarded these tenets.

            Your point?

          • Karolyn

            Key words here: “Muslim extremists.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But “extremist” is your definition of anybody who doesn’t share your naivete, Karolyn.

          • Karolyn

            Not naïve, Dave, just a pacifist. The following definitionof naïve in no way, shape or form describes me:

            adjective

            (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment:the rather naive young man had been totally misled

            (From the Oxford Dictionary)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I say that fits you well, Karolyn.

          • Louis Lemieux

            You are definitely right, Karoline. By Muslim extremists, we mean those Muslims who have views of Islam that are not the norm of people of that faith and often are in favor of violence.

          • Ibn Insha

            You are absolutely right. But it does not mean Islam is to be blamed. Blame Muslims who themselves do not have proper knowledge of the religion.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Are you one of those who think one or two bad pages in a book necessarily means the whole book is bad?

          • Vigilant

            What part of “extremist” do you not understand?

          • Vigilant

            Not at all. In fact, if I were to apply that faulty and bigoted approach, I would gather that all socialists like yourself are predisposed to put words in other people’s mouths that they didn’t say or even imply. It’s called straw man argument.

            While most socialists are indeed such dirty pool players, I wouldn’t accuse them ALL of the infraction.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Louis, your source is deceptive. Its citation is NOT complete. Here is the FULL 2:256 verse:

            “There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path.
            Whoever disbelieves in TAGHUT and believes in allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. and Allah is all-hearer, all-knower.” (Khan’s English translations)

            *** “Taghut” in Islamic theology the word refers to false
            gods – anything except allah.

            Other translations are specifying the “Taghut” aka “FALSE god” as DEVIL (Maulana, Rashad and Sarwar’s English translations), SHAITAN (Shakir’s English translations), EVIL (Yusufali’s English translations), FALSE DEITIES (Pickthal’s English translations)

            Full Sura 109:1-6 (al-Kafirun / The Unbelievers)

            109:1 Say: O DISBELIEVERS!
            109:2 I worship not that which ye worship;
            109:3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
            109:4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
            109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
            109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

            The koran scholars explain: THIS IS NOT a message of TOLERANCE to the INFIDELS aka DISBELIEVERS, but a declaration of immunity, DISGUST with and DISSOCIATION from them AS LONG AS THEY ARE
            DISBELIEVERS. The meaning of this Sura is: You
            (infidels) and I (prophet) can NEVER follow and walk one and the same path together. The followers of Allah’s Messenger would ever come to terms with INFIDELS.

            Louis, you can’t solely rely on the Wikipedia as for islam and barack Hussein Obama aka barry soetoro.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPOKFRSI1w

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dae6Sl5O4

          • Louis Lemieux

            Alondra, I have a very inquisitive mind and I did take a few lessons of the Quran in a mosque to see exactly what Muslims in general are taught:

            Forgive and show indulgence to them!
            (Qur’an, 2:109)

            Among various prolific misconceptions concerning the religion of Islam, one cannot miss the oft-quoted “Kill them wherever you find them,” characterization of religious intolerance in the Qur’an. This bloodthirsty depiction of Islam is far, far from the truth. Yet, with so much media attention shone on “Muslim terrorists”, contradictory Islamic ideals of religious tolerance might be difficult for Western audiences to believe.

            http://english.islammessage.com/articledetails.aspx?articleId=649

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Louis, I have nothing to “pardon” you.
            I JUST wish you the good luck in your conversion. I will not behead you. Live long, dear.

            “May allah’s piss [blessing] be upon you.”

            P.S. I hope your “prophet” started to pick up the 72 virgins for you.

            P.S.S. Keep having “a very inquisitive mind” and your koranic lessons in a mosque.

          • Ibn Insha

            Alondra, like other ignorant people you have taken them out of context. Did you actually read Koran and selected the above verses?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ibn, like other ignorant, cheating and deceptive Leftists you are in Unfounded, Worthless and Disabled denial.

            Please provide the context and thus prove your claim.

            Ibn asks: “Did you actually read Koran and selected the above verses?”

            Actually I did, Ibn. Otherwise how would I know the subject.

        • WTS/JAY

          KORAN commands to kill infidels:

          Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. – Sura 2:98

          On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161

          Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

          Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

          Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
          (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

          ….. martyrs…. Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

          If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. – 3:157-8

          You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. – Surah 3:169-71

          Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. – Surah 4:74

          Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76

          But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

          Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. – 5:14

          O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

          Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme – 8:39

          O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

          It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

          Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

          When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

          Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. – 9:28

          Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

          Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. – 9:41

          O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73

          Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. – 9:111

          Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
          Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers….

          As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. – 10:4-15

          Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. – 33:60

          Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. – 41:14

          When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. – 47:4
          (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

          Those who are slain in the way of Allah – he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. – 47:5

          Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – 48:25

          Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. – 48:29

          Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. – 66:9

          The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. – 98:51

          Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

          ——-

          KORAN promises of houris in heaven:

          Single-minded slaves of Allah… will be honored in the Gardens of delight, on couches facing one another; A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them, white, delicious to the drinkers, wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby. And with them are those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes, pure as they were hidden eggs. – Surah 37:40-49

          Lo, for those who ward off evil is a happy journey’s end, Gardens of Eden, whereof the gates are opened for the, wherein, reclining, they call for plenteous fruit and cool drink therein. And with them are those of modest gaze, companions. This it is that ye are promised for the Day of Reckoning. – 38:50-54

          Lo! Those who kept their duty will be in a place secure, amid gardens and water-springs, attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one another…. And we shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes. They call therein for every fruit in safety. They taste not death therein, save the first death. And He hath saved them from the doom of hell, a bounty from thy Lord. That is the supreme triumph. – 44:51-57

          Lo! Those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight… reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes… and we provide them with fruit and meat such as they desire…. – 52:17-22

          …Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade, the fruit of both the gardens near to hand…. Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them…. – 55:54-56

          Those are they who will be brought nigh, in gardens of delight… reclining therein face to face. There wait on them immortal youths… and fair ones with wide, lovely eyes, like unto hidden pearls, reward for what they used to do…. Lo! We have created them a creation, and made them virgins, lovers, friends. – 56:11-37
          (Different translation) Companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes… virgin-pure and undefiled.

          Koran “sharia” punishments:

          As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah. – Surah 5:38

          • Ibn Insha

            You did not type full text. Every thing taken out of proper context. Where Koran says kill innocent people.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ibn says: “You did not type full text.”
            Ibn, you got sources, so check “EVERY thing” and put it in the “PROPER” context.

            ALL NON-muslims are NOT innocent for muslims
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliG1doz240

            And do NOT miss this one:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dae6Sl5O4

        • Sue Berryhill

          Koran, sura 47:4 — “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens.”
          An alternate translation, in more modern language: “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.”

          sura 9:123: “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
          There are verses in the Koran when preach tolerance. However, it is important to realize that the Koran is not arranged in chronological order, and an earlier verse may have actually been written at a later time. And, if a verse written later contradicts a verse written earlier, the later verse overwrites, or abrogates, the earlier one. So, to illustrate, if an verse written earlier in time states something like, “Tolerate the People of the Book,” that is the Jews and Christians, and a verse written later says to kill them unless they convert or pay the jizya, the later verse is the one that counts.

    • Katrael

      It’s easy to take these verses out of context as you’ve done. Most of those cultures you listed, such as the Amalekites, were into human child sacrifice, homosexuality, sodomy bestiality and other such evils. And something that you don’t understand when you try to project יהוה as being evil, is that he makes evil and uses it to accomplish his ends:

      Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil. I, יהוה, do all these.’

      You don’t have to be afraid of יהוה if you keep his laws, but if you don’t he’ll send evil your way to teach you to behave. The United States, even the world is facing judgement here. The United States was blessed with the unconditional blessings put upon Abraham Issac and Jacob(Israel), blessings that once fulfilled required compliance with Torah to keep. Now that we have consumed our blessings and don’t keep Torah we are losing what we had. Go ahead and be ignorantly critical of יהוה it’ll end up costing you in the end.

      Israel was the instrument of יהוה on those nations. He displaced those nations for the evil they committing and He will do so again:

      Rev 14:9 And a third messenger followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark upon his forehead or upon his hand,
      Rev 14:10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of Elohim, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he shall be tortured with fire and sulphur before the set-apart messengers and before the Lamb.
      Rev 14:11 “And the smoke of their torture goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those worshipping the beast and his image, also if anyone receives the mark of his name.”

      Well anyway, you get the gist of my post. and to Sue Berryhill, you have aptly pointed out that we as believers aren’t to go out killing and maiming and doing evil

    • speedle24

      KG says, “Not all conservatives are Racist, but all racists are Conservative.”

      Hmmmm…Interesting assessment. Could we also say that not all liberals are communists, but all communists are liberals?

      • WTS/JAY

        Good one!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “Not all conservatives are Racist, but all racists are Conservative”.
      So you’re conservative, KGB?

    • John Myers

      Dear KG,
      I agree organized religions have many sins to answer for but if you want to say what the Catholic Church is doing is at the same level of evil as radical Islam, you will need to get into a time machine. Furthermore I challenge you to find anything I have have written praising any large organized religion. You argument seems to be: “Oh yeah! The Catholics are bad too!”
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

    • WTS/JAY

      A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text.

      • jenelle

        Amen!

      • KG

        It works both ways. Why is it only bad when it helps my point, but it’s OK if it helps yours?

  • monizame

    hahahaha you amerikans are so silly..you have already lost..your constitution is invalid,your children are indoctrinated,soon you will be in your favorite Fema camp and you will enjoy it! hahahahah

    • Peter

      monizame, please keep on believing that. That way, you will not see it coming.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What reaction are you expecting by throwing in that stink bomb? Being a pedant is not a good way to endear people to you even if they had the same thoughts.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      hahahaha, Voice from hell.
      Keep warship to your allah and preach your apostle Alinsky’s gospel.
      hahahaha!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Where do you live, monizame?

      • WTS/JAY

        It would appear psyco-boy lives In mental-institution.

  • Rich

    “I think that if America is that bad in his eyes maybe he needs to step aside and appoint somebody where we can have a commander in chief who is proud of the United States and everything the United States has done.”

    This one still has some things to learn about our system of gov’t. If BO did step aside (lol) we would end up with shoot your double barrel shot gun in the air Biden. Let that sink in for a few min.

  • Alex

    Not like the pope at all, John—-the pope encourages pedophilia.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Of course you have references to back that up, right Alex?

    • Karolyn

      That’s a little extreme, Alex, especially for the new Pope.

      • WTS/JAY

        Why, what’s so special or different about the new Pope? Do you think he’s going to clean-up the cesspool that is the RCC?

        • Karolyn

          I doubt that he really can. However, he has demonstrated a humble nature and is more conservative when it comes to expenses. He does not live in the opulence previous Popes have. Here’s an article about him borrowing a mayor’s car for his visit. Of course, his frugality will only serve to add to the coffers of the church. I would love to see him giving a lot of the church’s money to the poor; however, I would imagine other church bigwhigs would freak out and put an end to that. I wonder how much power he really has when it comes to church finances.

  • mark

    President George W. Bush also extended Ramadan greeting to Muslims immediately after the 9/11 attacks, none of which is mentioned in this extremely biased article, of course, that fails to meet the basic standards of Journalism 101. For a link to President George W. Bush’s effusive Ramadan message to see link below.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=73471

    • Devasahayam

      Jorge Bush was ignorant of the truth about the goonda-founded cult — 0bama is part and parcel of it!

    • jenelle

      Both parties are the same.

  • Ted

    Not a president ,a dictator hiding in the white house maybe but not a President.

  • Louis Lemieux

    It’s not easy for me to accept that so much hatred and misunderstandings exist in so many of my fellow Americans. I dare you watch all of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Nr0ilAtVc

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You reap what you sow, Louis. The NeoConservative Progressives are just the other side of the Progressive Coin. Once you blindly accept using Government to Force your way on other people, don’t be so surprised when people who have different agendas than you decide that what is Good for the Goose is Good for the Gander.
      Most likely both groups of Progressive Leaders (NeoCon & Liberal) have the same Crony Capitalists supporting them, while they lead the Progressive Followers around by their noses. It’s all about the Leaders and their Pals using misled Followers to feather their nests at the expense of the rest of us.

      • John Myers

        Well said DaveH,
        And yes we are reaping what our federal government has sown, long before Mr. Obama. But that doesn’t give radical extremists an out for their killing of civilians; for instance the Madrid train bombing that took 2,000 lives. Not sure what the beef is with Spain but I don’t believe mass slaughter can ever be justified.
        Sincerely,
        John Myers

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Nor do I, John. That’s why I think it best for our country to stay out of overseas conflicts where we don’t really know who the enemy is.
          I believe that every man or woman has a right to due process, whether they are US citizens or citizens of some other country.

          • John Myers

            Dear DaveH,
            Again I agree with you 100 percent! Thanks for your comments. They are well argued and contribute much.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, John.

          • Louis Lemieux

            It must be awful to live under a political system so at odds with our own political views, especially when change looks so remote. There is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of Americans will never get even close to your way of thinking. For us the rear view mirror should always stay smaller than the windshield.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “There is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of Americans will never get even close to your way of thinking”.
            Don’t bet on it, Louis. It happened before and King George wasn’t happy about the results.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Yeah sure, you don’t want your country to get involved in foreign wars, but without the money, soldiers and ships of France we would never have won that war!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah sure? That doesn’t sound like the usual Louis persona. Flashy?
            Talk about going off on a tangent. You’re getting desperate, Louis (or whoever you are).
            George Washington on Foreign Entanglements:
            http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/files1/entangle.htm

          • Vigilant

            Many fatal highway accidents are caused by failure to look in the rear view mirror. And the demise of many a nation has occurred by failing to learn the lessons of the past.

          • Louis Lemieux

            You’ll get a lot more accidents if you look longer in the rear view mirror than the windshield!

          • Vigilant

            While that’s no doubt true, breaking off the mirror (as the Orwellian statists would have us do) is just as bad. Even worse, replacing that mirror to produce false images is another penchant of the leftists.

        • mark

          There you go again, Mr. Myers. The Madrid train bombing took 191 lives – not 2000. Don’t you do even the most basic fact-checking before you write down important things.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

          • WTS/JAY

            I could have been just a type-o, mark. Relax…

          • John Myers

            Mark,
            There were 2,000 causalities in that bombing. I should have said that instead of lives but I actually have a job so no, I do not fact check and edit every comment I post.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me, mark.

      • Louis Lemieux

        “… and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” –Jeremiah Wright

        • Vigilant

          Are you speaking as a Libertarian or as a leftist?

          • Louis Lemieux

            I’ll let the readers decide that!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Which readers, Louis Lemieux? The Leftists recognize their own and the Conservatives and Libertarians recognize a Leftist.

          • Guest

            After reading me lately for so long, you mean you don’t know!

      • WTS/JAY

        DaveH, you nailed it!!!

  • mrtwobit

    Using your own methodology, are classifying Christianity as a terrorist cult based upon the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church?

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    John says — “24 percent of Palestinians approve of attacks on American civilians in the U.S., and 30 percent of Palestinians approve of attacks on U.S. civilians working in Islamic countries”.

    The other side of the story:
    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/05/18780381-poll-finds-overwhelming-support-for-drone-strikes?lite

  • ridge runner

    Any moron that believes the Islamic crap that it is a peaceful religion, is either dumb as dirt, or their head is in some dark dank cavern. First Islam isn’t a religion, but BS ramblings caused either by drugs or dehydration. Allah is nothing but a clay figurine that rambled to for some ill. The poor dumb people that converted to Islam, had a simple choice convert of die. The tbm (time before Moohamid) people preyered to one of the 360 + clay figurines. Moohamid chose the moon clay figurine called Allah. The star and moon on their flags. The mental Mohamid broke all the other clay figurines. Very few people every read the Queran, and see what a loony tune load of squirrelly ramblings of a pedophile, woman hating freak, who embraced using and abusing both sexes at any age below 10, sanctioned the daily beatings of women just for the hell of it. As for the 2 parts of the Queran, is the 2 stages of the Islam BS. The first part is when Moohamid was starting Islam. Mohamid grabbed stuff he liked from any organized group while in Mecca. It really never took a hold until Moohamid went to Medicine or the S Fran of the sand dunes, where the pedophile perv found out using a threat of death, converts towed the BS beleifs of the pervs.Any organization that states it OK to lie, cheat, or ddue what ever to reach a desired goal. Allah the clay figurine is a hars, brutal, blood thirsty Since Obama is such a congential liars any time his lipps move, he know prett being dy damn well what Islam stands for.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      There are killers in most (if not all) religions, Runner. They all can rationalize why it is okay to kill their enemies. Witness the large support for our kickass military to wreck havoc around the world.

      • ridge runner

        We don’t have a kick ass millitary any more, we have a meal on wheels program of containment and patty cake sessions. You want a kick ass program, do what Black Jack Pershing did with the sand lizard pervs. It settled them down for years. Same things needs to happen with the thugs and gangs! Only things these freaks understand is a 55 gal barrel of whip azz.

        • Karolyn

          Wow!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    If we truly want peace (I do), then we must set an example for the rest of the world by stopping the military meddling and trading peacefully with those countries who want to trade with us.
    Leaders use the conflicts to take away more of our Freedom and build their Power. Read this to get understanding of what is really going on with all these military conflicts:
    http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

  • rbrooks

    it is amusing to watch the christians argue, and kill each other, over which specific form of mythology is the one true mythology.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Is that what your warped mind believes. I see it a safety, no one denomination can take over a country one town at a time and harass other groups as it was done in Europe and South America.

    • WTS/JAY

      Where?

  • Mr Diesel

    “Of course, Obama apologists will argue that 99 percent of Islamic believers hold no harm in their hearts against the United States. That number is not accurate, as I will show in a moment; but let’s be generous for the time being and say OK to the Obamaites.

    Even if we go along with the 1 percent number, that means 1.5 million Muslims in the world want to see grievous harm done to the United States. I am sorry that so many American liberals don’t realize that they are on the same hit list.”

    Might want to check your math again. 1% of 1.5 billion is 15 million. May as well believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • John Myers

      Dear Mr. Diesel,
      I stand corrected. I apologize for my inacuracy. Thank you for pointing it out.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • Karolyn

        BIG difference!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Leave it to Karolyn to kick a man when he’s down.

          • ridge runner

            Karolyn, will like getting a beating for just being a female, and have the chance of getting her neck broke for not shuuting up. Muslims maddrasses rote train mush minded males to lie to non muslims as well as kill even other muslims if it benefits the clay figurine god allah. Remember muslims backed Hitler and BS.

          • Karolyn

            Here’s info on what the Koran says about the treatment of women. I’m sure you won’t read it. Why would you want to read something positive about something you hate? However, this is the kind of info that should be circulated more rather than hate propaganda.

            http://www.alislam.org/egazette/articles/islam-and-the-quran-require-us-to-honor-not-abuse-women/

          • John Myers

            Karolyn,
            I meet you on this issue and I raise you.
            Our eldest son and his wife have taken teaching positions in Saudi Arabia. She is an elite triathlete or at least she was. She cannot ride her bike any longer. She can only leave their compound if accompanied by a man. And she must cover her face in public. No drinking, no bibles, no crosses, the list goes on and on. So please don’t lecture me on what to read.
            Most sincerely,
            John Myers

          • Karolyn

            My response was to ridge runner. How did you respond to me with his name? At any rate, of course, I know of what you speak. However, there are places where women are making strides; and I was responding to the assertion that Muslims abuse women.

            I would like an answer to how your response came from ridge runner. Very odd. I believe Dave experienced this same anomaly a few weeks ago.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s been going on a lot today. And from the comments, it seems to be displaying differently for different people. It obviously is a software problem that may be related to the brand of browser that we use.

          • Karolyn

            I just noticed that in my email notifications the comments are properly named. That’s weird.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hopefully Bob’s team will get that worked out soon.

          • Karolyn

            And now John Myers response to me has his name on it. Before it had ridge runner.

          • WTS/JAY

            Unfortunately, Karolyn, the article is written from a male perspective. Perhaps we should inquire from Muslim-women concerning the treatment of Muslim-women by Muslim-men who justify their actions by the Kor’an. I would highly recommend the book “A God Who Hates” written by Wafa Sultan.

            A little info on the author and a brief synopsis of her book;

            On Feb. 21, 2006, the Syrian-born and raised Wafa Sultan gave one of the most provocative interviews ever given by a Muslim woman on the Al Jazeera network. In the middle of the interview she told her male Muslim interviewer that it was her turn to speak. And, she did. She told him to “shut up”. This simple, yet radical, act of a Muslim woman asserting herself in the face of a Muslim man, catapulted her to fame. Now, for the first time, Wafa Sultan tells her story and airs her provocative views in a book that pulls no punches in looking clearly at Islam and the threat it poses for the rest of the world. Her viewpoint and opinions were hard won: As an intelligent young girl who would someday become a psychiatrist, she grew up in Syria under the thumb of a culture ruled by a god who hates women and all they represent. It is from this kernel of female hatred at the heart of Islam that Wafa Sultan builds her case against the mullahs and their followers bent on destroying the West. A God Who Hates is a fiery book that will remind readers why, even at a time when we are reaching out to others, we must be ever-vigilant about the threat Islam poses towards the West.

        • WTS/JAY

          You’re such a twerp.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jay, WHY you are sooooo politically incorrect?

        • John Myers

          Yes Karolyn,
          I under-reported the best case scenario by a factor of 10. It means 15 million Muslims want to see harm done to Americans. Doesn’t this fact strengthen what I argued?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Of cause it does, but any way she did not get it.
            She is Public School Dropout.
            So, Mr. Myers, no worries. Just be happy.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    There are a few problems with Mr. Meyers opinion of Islam.

    Exodus 22:20 states that “20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.”

    Deuteronomy 13:6-10 states that “6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death”

    Deuteronomy 17:2-7 states that “If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, 4 and
    if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire
    thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this
    detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death.”

    These are biblical verses in which followers of the Judeo Christian god are commanded to kill none believers. Even if those none believers are members of their own family. But we do not judge all Jews and Christians by these verses. Hand picking specific verses in a holy text is not a standard by which to judge all members of the religion that holds that book to be true. After all there are contradictory verses to the one Mr. Meyers posted.

    Quran 2:256 states that “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct
    from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in god
    has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer,
    Omniscient.”

    Quran 60:8 states that “Allah does not forbid you as regards those who did not fight you on
    account of faith, and did not expel you from your homes, that you do
    good to them, and deal justly with them. Surely Allah loves those who
    maintain justice.”

    Quran 6:108 says “Do not revile those whom they invoke other than Allah”.

    These verse suggest that far from being commanded to kill none believers in fact Muslims are commanded to be kind to them. Or at least to not revile them.

    A second problem with Mr. Meyers condemnation of Islam is his poll. In his poll the worst offender is Pakistan when quotes the poll which states “24 percent of Palestinians approve of attacks on American civilians in
    the U.S., and 30 percent of Palestinians approve of attacks on U.S.
    civilians working in Islamic countries.”. So in the country which appears to have the most hatred of Americans only 30 percent approve of attacks. To me it logically follows that if 30 percent approve than the rest must not approve. So that means 70 percent do not approve of attacks on U.S citizens. I have a hard time condemning an entire group of people considering by Mr. Meyers own poll it would appear 70 percent of them are decent people.

    Another problem is condemning an entire religion based on countries claiming it as their faith. Through out history there have been nations claiming Christianity as their faith which have committed horrible atrocities against Jews and Muslims. I need not bring up the Crusades and Inquisition. In addition many have pointed out atrocities committed against the Palestinian population by the nation of Israel. But we do not condemn Christians and Jews for the actions of these nations.

    Finally with all due respect to Mr. Meyers it appears his argument is that we should base religious freedom and tolerance in our country on the religious freedom and tolerance of other countries. Meyers states “Is it just me or does this not look like a two-way friendship? I may be
    wrong, but I do not recall King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia ever wishing
    Christians a Merry Christmas. Yet President Barack seemed effusive in
    talking about Ramadan. That strikes me as odd.”. So is Mr. Meyers suggesting we should treat religious holidays the way they do in Saudi Arabia. That seems nonsensical to me.

    The simple fact is this. Being a Muslim does not affect a persons ability to decide between right and wrong. Every person has to be judged on their individual actions. When we judge an entire religion we are passing judgement on its individual practitioners. When Mr. Meyers says “he has sympathetic views toward Islam, its goals and the murderous means it will use to achieve them.” he is casting aspersions on all Muslims. I know several Muslims and they are decent law abiding people. Would Mr. Meyers have me condemn my friends. Would he have me condemn the members of our armed forces who claim Islam as their faith. Islam is a religion. Its followers are diverse and many. Its followers should be judged as all are. Not by the name of their faith but by how they practice it. I will not lump those who practice Islam in the name of peace and devotion with those who practice it in the name of violence and destruction.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Heeeeere’s Flashy!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Good response Dave. Really moves the discussion forward.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Don’t you have another personality to assume?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Actually I don’t. I am just trying to contribute to the conversation.

    • Susan Royston Fiori

      The difference is, those passages you cite are all OT and were cancelled out by Christ in the NT. We are called, since Christ, to LOVE and LOVE everyone. We are not called to KILL. In the Koran, there is no deliniation between old and new; the Prophet spoke once and His message resounds to this day. They were and still are called to get rid of ALL infedels and unbelievers. Of course there are good people there always are but as a religion on the whole, they are trying to rule the world by getting rid of all not willing to follow. Read your history, read what their goals are truly, and pay attention to what is REALLY happening, we (all non Muslim) are in for a lot of trouble and persecution; just wait.

      • ridge runner

        Susan, Good reply, The Queran is a collection of a gatherings of a pedophile mental moron, who beleived in some clay figurine called allah, he smashed the other 359 clay figurines gods to pray to for some imagined ailments real or imagined. The pervert Moohanid ‘s dying words were to kill all infidels, which all islamist still believe no matter what station in life they are.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        But Susan Mr. Meyers makes no mention of whether or not the verse he showed was “cancelled out”. As I pointed out there are verses in the Koran which condemn violence and which tell the followers not to harm non Muslims. Susan there is no such thing as “the religion on the whole”. Islam is the same as Christianity and Judaism. There are countless different sects within Islam and all number of different viewpoints. Islam is not a nation commanded by a specific leader. Christians may share an admiration and devotion to Christ. But that does not mean Christians all act or think alike. Nor does it mean we should treat Christianity as a political movement. And the same goes for Islam. Muslims are either violent or they are not violent. There are plenty of Muslims who are not violent. commit violence. The only threat we face is from terrorists. There are terrorists who claim every religion as their own. But that does not make the religion itself something to fear or condemn. Our enemy is not Muslims. Our enemy is not Islam. Our enemy are those who use the name of Islam to justify their actions. Condemning or fearing Islam because of the terrorists is like saying all White people should be feared because of the KKK.

        • WTS/JAY

          Jeremy: As I pointed out there are verses in the Koran which condemn violence and which tell the followers not to harm non Muslims.

          Please cite the verses from the Koran, Jeremy, which condemn violence and which tell the followers not to harm non Muslims. I’ll be waiting…

          Meanwhile: Are Muslims permitted to lie?

          Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.”

          There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

          The Qur’an:
          Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

          Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

          Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

          Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

          Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

          Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

          Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

          Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

          From the Hadith:

          Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.'” The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

          Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

          Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

          Muslim (32:6303) – “…he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).”

          Bukhari (50:369) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b’s trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

          From Islamic Law:

          Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) – “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…

          “One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

          Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them!

          http://www.TheReligionofPeace.com

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Quran 5:32: “We decreed upon the Children
            of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or
            for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had
            slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if
            he had saved mankind entirely.”

            Quran 4:171: ” O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him.”

            Quran 2:256: “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct
            from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in god
            has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer,
            Omniscient.”

            Quran 6:108: “Do not revile those whom they invoke other than Allah”.

            Quran 42:48: “But if they turn away – then We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], over them as a
            guardian; upon you is only [the duty of] notification. And indeed, when We let man taste mercy from us, he rejoices in it; but if evil afflicts him for what his hands have put forth, then indeed, man is ungrateful.”

            Quran 18:29: “And say, “The truth is
            from your Lord, so whoever wills – let him believe; and
            whoever wills – let him disbelieve.”

            Quran 16:35: “And those who associate
            others with Allah say, “If Allah had willed, we would not have worshipped anything other than Him, neither we nor our fathers,nor would we have forbidden anything through other than Him.” Thus did those do before them. So is there upon the messengers except [the duty of] clear notification?”

            Quran 22:17: “Indeed, those who have
            believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the
            Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah –
            Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness.”

            Quran 2:190: “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

            Quran 2:191: “And kill them wherever you
            overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and
            fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al-
            Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them.
            Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”

            Quran 2:192: “And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful”

            Quran 2:193: “Fight them until there is no
            [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah .
            But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the
            oppressors.”

            The Quran does sanction violence and deception in defense of oneself, home, family and Islam. And it specifically speaks of aggressors and schemers and transgressors.

            Yes there are verses in the Quran which seek to isolate Muslims from non Muslims.

            But doesn’t Deuteronomy 7:3-4 do the same to Jews when it says “3 neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For
            he will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you, and he will destroy thee quickly.”

            Or what about 2 John 1:7 which tells Christians that “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.”.

            The holy books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam all contain verses and passages which modern enlightened people see as either immoral or even amoral. But that does not mean we condemn all the practitioners of those religions or the religions themselves. The ten commandments include ““You shall have no other gods before me.” and “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.”. It could easily be argued that such laws as this prohibit any other religions and command condemnation if not punishment against those who speak against the god of Israel. However as is well known few if any Jews or Christians take the ten commandments to mean that no other religions or religious opinions are allowed. Just because something is written in a holy text does not mean all or even few followers of that religion ascribe to it. Muslims are no different than Jews or Christians when it comes to their individual ability to interpret their holy book as they see it. Its the reason there are sects like Sunnis and ShiItes within the religion of Islam just as there are Reform and Orthodox Jews and Catholic and Protestant Christians. Members of the worlds religions must be taken one at a time the same as with members of the worlds ethnic races. To judge someone because they are a Muslim or to judge the entire religion of Islam as a whole is no different than judging someone because they are Middle Eastern or African American.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeremy: Quran 5:32: “We decreed upon the Children
            of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had
            slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”

            5:32 is the most ripped-out-of-context verse of the Qur’an in the West. Muslims and Islamic apologists often use this verse to show that Islam teaches murder is wrong and saving lives is the prescribed universal-action for all.

            This is absolutely FALSE and it is NOT what this verse is saying. In fact, the opposite; that Muslims can kill their enemies! The only way you can arrive to your conclusion, Jeremy, is to IGNORE the verses that immediately follow 5:32, as well as to ignore PARTS of the verse itself.

            Here is 5:32 in its context, with all words included…

            “On that account: We ordained for the Children of !!!(Israel)!!! that if any one slew a person -unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land”.

            Firstly, It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the (CHILDREN OF ISRAEL), i.e. the JEWS! How could you have MISSED that, Jeremy? This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah’s command to (Muhammad’s people)!!!

            Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there’s still an escape-clause: “unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land.” Did you get that?

            If someone is “spreading mischief”, he can still be killed. Now, think about it…The would-be-bomber considers “Americans” to be spreading mischief in the middle-east, (all Muslims and most Americans agree on this). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to a suicide-bomber, he would still be justified in his slaughter. The Qur’an further explains this point in the very next verse… 5:33:

            “The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter”.

            This verse is now referring to Muslims, (NOT JEWS) anymore, as past tense shifts to present tense, as, and at this point, the punishment for “mischief” is clearly prescribed; execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the “Muslims”. Obviously, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches the exact-opposite.

            Clearly then, to make Islam seem peaceful, Muslims rip this verse (and many others) out of context, removing words out of the verse itself, thus changing the message for something else, entirely! In any case, Jeremy, you must apply caution, and careful study before you willy-nilly submit to the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses.

            Now, i could very well do to the rest of the verses you provided as i did to verse 5:23, but i won’t; as i clearly provided you with the “model” you must apply to tease-out their true meaning, or the true meaning intended. Remember this, Jeremy; content without context is pretext!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I read your post. This is my response.

            1: You know what I did miss it. Though I would point out that in saying that a law was made by Allah for the Jews the implication is that the Jews follow the same god.

            2: True there is an escape clause. However I am pretty sure ascribing the death penalty ” murder or spreading mischief in the land” is little worse than many of the states in our own country. I concede the hypocrisy. But I would point out its not that different from our own.

            3: With all due respect WTS/JAY unless your a mind reader you cannot make the statement “(all Muslims and most Americans agree on this)”. I agree most Americans believe we are spreading mischief in the middle east but I highly doubt all Muslims believe so.

            4: You stated that “Obviously, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches the exact-opposite.”. But if the Muslims are saying its something it is not does that not mean they are not following it. Granted its a little unusual but if someone is taking a verse that condones violence and teaching that it actually condemns it how is the one teaching that the bad guy.

            5: ” In any case, Jeremy, you must apply caution, and careful study before
            you willy-nilly submit to the popular Muslim interpretation of these
            verses.”. If the Muslims interpretation of it is that it condemns violence how are they the bad guys. Muslims are not one single entity. They do not all think and act as one. There are many Muslims who are strongly opposed to violence. They genuinely believe that the verses I quoted condemn violence.

            Examples:

            http://www.upworthy.com/an-interviewer-asked-a-muslim-leader-about-the-murder-of-a-british-soldier-heres-how-he-answered?c=ufb1

            http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

            6: I agree with you WTS about content and context. But I stick to one of my original points. I am sure you could find that there are plenty of verses in the quran which condone or command violence. That does not change the fact that the individual reader of the book can choose whether or not to follow those verses. I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who would make the same argument about context against you. That in the time of the prophet things were much more dangerous and chaotic. That it was necessary at times to kill or be killed. And I would point out again that Mr. Meyers who wrote this article is guilty of the same condemnation without context. He simply provided a quranic verse without providing any context either. For instance the verse he quotes speaks against hypocrites who are considered evil in the eyes of most if not all right thinking people. The verse condemns non believers to hell. But no more than Matthew 25:31-33;41-46 which states that “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
            stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of
            God’s one and only Son…….Whoever believes in the Son has eternal
            life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath
            remains on them.” I am sure you would argue context in regards to the verse I just quoted. But again I am sure there are Muslims who would claim context in regards to the quranic verse quoted by Mr. Meyers. Jay you have spoken of Muslims as though they are a unified organization with a singular goal. Just as all Christians and Jews are unique in their views so are Muslims. Muslims are no more a set and single organization than Christians or Jews are. Muslims are not trying to destroy our country. Terrorists claiming to be Muslim are. Judging Islam and Muslims based on terrorists makes no more sense than judging Christianity or all Christians based on groups like the Lords Resistance Army or the Orange Volunteers. Its not the religion we should fear. Its those who pervert the religion to justify violence who we should concern ourselves with.

          • Karolyn

            Here you go. This sheds a lot of light.

            http://www.islamforpeace.org/quran.html

  • TML

    Wow, I didn’t know you were such a bigot John. It is plain for anyone to see that a War on Islam is merely masqueraded as the “war on terror”. The ultimate walking dichotomy is those who preach religious freedom, while making war on another religion, thereby supporting the perpetual war machine while then whining about the loss of freedoms that come as a result.

    John says, “For the President or any reasonable person to declare that somehow Islam is not at the epicenter of terrorism is to argue that Spain wasn’t involved in the Spanish Inquisition.”

    No, for any reasonable person to declare that Islam is not at the epicenter of terrorism is to argue that the terrorism and suicide bombing by, for example, Viet Cong, was not necessarily based on religion, and has more to do with political oppression, social degradation, and economic exploitation as one fights the over-whelming military power of their oppressor.

    The idea that so many might want to do the US harm isn’t much different than the so-called patriots who would like to see armed revolution in the streets, thinking they are justified in fighting back against the oppression of big brother.

    “President Obama is transforming the country right before our own eyes. He is sending a message to our enemies that America is weak, America is a paper tiger,” Gabriel said. “He is apologizing for America at any opportunity he can, and that is unacceptable.”

    Gabriel added: “I think that if America is that bad in his eyes maybe he needs to step aside and appoint somebody where we can have a commander in chief who is proud of the United States and everything the United States has done.””

    How on earth is wishing the ‘joys of family, peace and understanding’ considered sending a message that America is weak? Recognizing the wrongs this country has done does not make it weak. The idea that we should have a President that is proud of ‘everything’ the United States has done, would mean a President proud of the NDAA, the Patriot Act, assassination of American citizens without charge or trial, ect, ect, ect, ect, ect, ect.

    • John Myers

      Dear TML,
      So easy to label people.
      Our youngest son intends to marry a girl from Lebannon. She has been a part of our family for over a decade and we love her. She is a sweet beautiful girl that has adopted Western customs and because of that she has been shunned by some of her Lebanise family. Our eldest son is married to a beautiful young woman whose mother is from the Phillipines. We love her too.
      Does this throw a wrench in your “Myers is a bigot!!” argument?
      Please try to argue the facts. It makes it so much more interesting for the readers.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • TML

        Bigotry is always subjectively selective, whether race, religion, culture, or nationality. I’m assuming yours comes from the fact – if what you say is true – that her family (Muslim?) has sunned her for making a life in America…?

        Regardless… that was only the first sentence, which was more of a complex question fallacy. But you mention nothing of the entire remainder of the my comments….?

        Lets entertain the readers

        • John Myers

          TML,
          I suggest you read the book, On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society.

          It is written by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. It speaks specifically in Chapter 6 about the difference between the conventional war carried out by the “enemy” in Vietnam and Islamic terrorist killings that are conducted against what Grossman calls “civilians who are demonized simply because they are not true believers.”

          It is an excellent book and well worth reading.

          Sincerely,
          John Myers

          • TML

            I’ll take the suggestion under advisement, but It’s a shame you won’t engage discourse with such ‘knowledge’.

            Take care

        • John Myers

          TML,
          Yes I am a a bigot to people that hurt and abuse a young woman that my wife and me consider as our second daughter. I am also a bigot against child molesters, rapists, serial killers and Islamic terrorists.

          How about you TML? You like people that do these acts? You like people that are cruel to the people you love?

          You are right, against some I am a bigot and damn proud of it!
          With utmost sincerity,
          John Myers

          • TML

            You’re describing actions, John.
            Crimes.

            Being against abuse, child molestation, rape, murders, terrorism, and cruelty isn’t bigotry.

            Racial slurs against all blacks, when a black man rapes a woman; that’s bigotry.
            Being against all Christians because a priest molests a child; that’s bigotry.
            Shunning all Asians when an Asian murders someone; that’s bigotry.
            And saying, “Ramadan Kareem, that sounds like the name of an NBA player who recently converted to Islam.” and having your attitude toward all Muslims, because some of them commit crimes or do thing you don’t approve; that’s bigotry.

          • John Myers

            TML,
            What about opposing the Communists under Uncle Joe and Mao? Was that bigotry? If so Truman, Ike and Churchill were bigots. Would you have chastised Churchill for his “Iron Curtain” statement? Stalin killed more Soviets than Hitler did. Let us not judge Stalin and the Communists. That would make us bigots, correct?
            It’s all nonsense. I refuse to write you again TML,
            John Myers

          • TML

            To hate all Russians or all Chinese because they had an oppressive government, and horrible leaders, that would be the bigotry. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that concept.

            Well, I was hoping for more genuine discourse concerning my other statements, rather than centering on you and your attempted defense for a single sentence. Have a good day then

      • Dr Moon

        I would bet your Lebanese daughter in law can tell stories about how the peaceful Muslims marched into Lebanon destroying and stealing everything they could get their hands on, killing and raping Christians along the way. Also how the Lebanese people were allowed to cross into Israel to get away from the murdering Muslims.

    • Dr Moon

      We’ve never had the Viet Cong launch a terrorist attack on the US. The only terrorist attacks have come from Muslims 97%, Wacko underground liberals 2%, crazy red neck hillbillies 1%. We used to get a few hijackings from nut jobs going to Cuba, but we don’t see that anymore.

      • TML

        Apparently you don’t recall the Vietnam War. As for your ridiculous statistics, according to lists like these – http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html – Muslim terror attacks do not make up 97%. And even then, the first terrorist attacks in America were directed at Israeli Jews. These incidents can be traced back to the establishment of the state of Israel and that conflict which has raged for over half a century, while America unconditionally supports Israel in their illegal military and settler occupation of the West Bank. As I said, such crimes from supposed Islamist, isn’t necessarily from their religion (although in times of oppression people will often turn to the most violent parts of their religion), but has more to do with religious and political oppression, social degradation, and economic exploitation. I’m not defending the excess of such people, I wish they would have chosen the way of non-violence, but to avoid the true causes of such crimes and claim its simply their religion that preaches to destroy us all, is very intellectually dishonest.

      • John Myers

        Dear Dr. Moon,
        You are 100 percent correct. On this subject Lt. Col. Dave Grossman writes specifically on the point you raise in his book, On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society.
        He points out that North Vietnam never entertained terrorist ambitions against American soil, that world opinion would go so badly against them if the undertook such action that it would spark widespread public support within the United States to prosecute the war.
        Thank you for your insightful comments.

        Best,
        John Myers

        • TML

          The argument was never about whether the Viet Cong attacked or even contemplated attack on US soil or not, so no, you and the Dr. Moon are wrong. It is fact that terror attacks were committed by Viet Cong against the United States in Vietnam as their only way of fighting back against the over-whelming military power of the US. The argument was that terror attacks today are done for a similar purpose, more so than merely being instructed to do such things by their religion. What you point out only shows why it has gone so badly as a tactic in this situation which has sparked wide spread support within the United States to prosecute the war. Sadly, people aren’t understanding the dynamics of why it is happening, and instead cry ‘dirty Muslims’.

  • RAND PAUL IN 2016

    Forget the polls, all one needs to know is the reaction of the majority of American Muslims after 9/11, on TV, radio & talk shows….almost all said basically the same nonsense, “Well, America sticks its nose here & there…they prop us Israel,…blah, blah, blah”….almost as if there were justification for the attacks & murders! Most American Muslims hate America, it is as simple as that!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Do you hate Muslims?

      • RAND PAUL IN 2016

        No, I don’t hate anyone, even our buffoonish dictator of a president & his corrupt cabal of elitists & Chicago Thugs!! To hate any part of life is Satanic!

        • Bob666

          talk about mixed signals.

          • RAND PAUL IN 2016

            One can be meek & humble & not hate, but still not be a doormat….I prefer to think I AM filled with Righteous Indignation & the power of prayer & know that Light is stronger than darkness & will always win in the end!

          • Bob666

            Sounds like a hallmark card in the patriot act gift store.

          • smilee

            Your neither meek nor humble so your probably filled with a hate and deny it to. A lot of hatred is covered up by claims of righteous indignation

          • RAND PAUL IN 2016

            So, you can see into my soul? Other people’s souls, too?

            Ye shall know thee by their fruits!

          • smilee

            No Iit was based on what you said, it was you that revealed yourself

      • Voncent

        I hate the violent cult of Islam! Any person that claims to be a Christian while defending and antiChristian cult is lying or ignorant. Belief in the Trinity or belief that Jesus is God’s Son is BLASPHEMY to Muslims. They will cut you open. They decapitate Buddhists in Thailand, they murder priests in the Philippines, the Sunnis and Shiites murder each other, they massacre Christians in Nigeria, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Indonesia and central Asia. And not ONCE does CAIR, ISNA or the Muslim Brotherhood condemn this. Name one mosque that has denounced Ibrahim Hooper’s call for the establishment of SHARIAH LAW in the US. So, either recite the Shahadatan, put on a Hijab, or shut up!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Whose military has caused the death of more people than any other country’s military in the last 100 years? If you guessed the US, you are right. So spare me the crap about violent Muslims. It is just the pot calling the kettle black.

    • Karolyn

      I would like to see you prove your assertion that “most” American Muslims hate America. I have heard and read many stories of Muslim-Americans only wanting what we all do – peace and a good life for their families.

      • RAND PAUL IN 2016

        The proof is that most mosques & their followers would like to see Sharia law instituted in America & most never seem to say anything about the Muslims killing other Muslims & innocent non-Muslims everyday on earth! Where is the outrage??? Most American-Muslims have sympathy with Muslim extremists, that is a simple fact, most mosques have affiliation with a number of organizations that are connected to radical Muslims, especially the Muslim B’Hood! These are simple facts!

        There are very , very few American-loving Muslims…if I had to guess I would say it is about 20-25%

        • Karolyn

          OMG! You’re guessing now? Give me a break. And, yes, Muslims kill other Muslims every day. Where have you been?

          • RAND PAUL

            You did not answer my question: WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE IN THE AMERICAN- MUSLIM COMMUNITY EVERYTIME A CRAZY MULLAH KILLS THEMSELVES & OTHERS???…….SILENCIO!!!!!

          • Bob666

            Yo RP,

            Spent any time in a mosque? Where is your proof that only 20-25% of Muslims are American-loving Muslims which means that 75-80% are not?

            Just Curious.
            BTW, I voted for your dad.

          • TML

            Enough with the bias conjecture and unfounded claims.

            “In a 2007 survey titled Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream, the Pew Research Center found Muslim Americans to be “largely integrated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world.”[134]

            47% of respondents said they considered themselves Muslims first and Americans second. However, this was compared to 81% of British Muslims and 69% of German Muslims, when asked the equivalent question. A similar disparity exists in income, the percentage of American Muslims living in poverty is 2% higher than the general population, compared to an 18% disparity for French Muslims and 29% difference for Spanish Muslims.[134]

            Politically, American Muslims were both pro-larger government and socially conservative. For example, 70% of respondents preferred a bigger government providing more services, while 61% stated that homosexuality should be discouraged by society. Despite their social conservatism, 71% of American Muslims expressed a preference for the Democratic Party.[134] The Pew Research survey also showed that nearly three quarters of respondents believed that American society rewards them for hard work regardless of their religious background.[135]

            The same poll also reported that 40% of U.S. Muslims believe that Arab Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks. Another 28% don’t believe it and 32% said they had no opinion. Among 28% who doubted that Arab Muslims were behind the conspiracy, one-fourth of those claim the U.S. government or President George W. Bush was responsible. Only 26% of American Muslims believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to root out international terrorism. Only 5% of those surveyed had a “very favorable” or “somewhat favorable” view of the terrorist group Al-Qaeda. Only 35% of American Muslims stated that the decision for military action in Afghanistan was the right one and just 12% supported the use of military force in Iraq.[134]

            In 2011, a Gallup poll found that 93% of Muslim Americans considered themselves loyal to the United States.[136]”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The problem we all have is what defines America? Is it the American Leadership? The American Citizens? Most thinking people know that we aren’t a homogeneous group of people, even among the Leadership.
      All I can attest to is that I’ve never been even so much as harassed by a Muslim. But I’ve had plenty of harassment and worse from individuals who follow other religions. That’s certainly not meant to indicate that I think all Muslims are good. I try to judge people by what they actually do to me, not what they might do to me.
      From all I’ve learned, my money is on the theory that Government is blowing yet another situation way out of control so as to manipulate the people into giving Government even more Power than it already has.

  • Dan Yarger

    Ritual rape, female genital mutilation, female subjugation, mass murder and the beheading of infidels doesn’t happen. It’s just what the Neocons want you to believe because they are also owned by the Jewish media and Lobby so we will stay at perpetual war with them. Don’t pretend to be a Libertarian/Ron Paul type then start bashing Islam. The Bill of Rights says “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” If you really want freedom then respect the Bill of Rights.

    • Peter

      “Ritual rape, female genital mutilation, female subjugation, mass murder and the beheading of infidels doesn’t happen.”
      Are you serious?
      Really?
      I think you should ensure both your hands are above the table Dan, at ALL times!
      I have seen clear, documented, independent, non-lamestream-media reports which clearly demonstrate the atrocities perpetrated in the name of i-slam.
      If you choose to ignore the evidence, more fool you.
      Do the ‘elites’ subjugate ‘we the people’? Absolutely, and you are not wrong to question and defy them, but don’t be so caught up in their machinations that you miss the other threats and realities around the world.

    • Peter

      Here you go Dan, but I’m sure under your thoughts, this doesn’t really exist:

      “There is a problem in Islam, and pretending it’s not there or that they don’t really mean it is civilizational suicide.

      Dr. Mohammed Malkawi, U.S. Professor And Founder Of Hizb Al-Tahrir In Chicago: ‘Let Britain, America, And The Entire West Go To
      Hell, Because The Caliphate Is Coming, Allah Willing’ MEMRI Special Dispatch|5364| July 16, 2013

      In an address at a symposium in Jordan marking the 92nd anniversary of the fall of the Islamic Caliphate, Prof. Mohammed Malkawi, the founder of Hizb Al-Tahrir in Chicago, stated that when the Caliphate was destroyed the world lost “an exemplar of justice, a model for humanity in its entirety.” Claiming that President Obama has “chosen heresy as a religion” for Muslims “in Syria, Egypt, and elsewhere,” he urges the Muslims to reject this, urging the crowd to chant “Allah Akbar”
      and urges Muslims in general not to hesitate to use the term “Caliphate.”
      He states that Obama and other rulers are “all dwarfed by the Islamic
      Caliphate and law,” and concludes by saying: “Let Britain, America, and the entire West go to hell, because the Caliphate is coming, Allah willing.”

      According to the bio for him on Amazon.com, which is selling his 2010
      book The Fall of Capitalism and Rise of Islam, Malkawi is an adjunct professor at Argosy University-Chicago, an associate professor of Computer Engineering at Middle East University in Jordan, and Dean of Engineering at Jadara University in Jordan, and holds a Ph.D. degree in computer engineering from the University of Illinois-Urbana.

      His faculty bio on the Argosy University website (argosy.edu)[4]
      lists his accomplishments at Sun Microsystems and as acting VP of a startup called AIM Wireless Solutions, and adds that he is a Visiting Research Scientist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign as well as International Program Coordinator for Jordan University of Science and Technology.

      His address at the symposium aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 21, 2013,

      “Ever Since The Caliphate Was Destroyed, The World Has Lost An Exemplar Of Justice, A Model For Humanity In Its Entirety”

      Professor Mohammed Malkawi: “After Islam had reached the peak of glory and the Muslims were masters of the world, there came a time when the infidels conspired against the Muslims, who were in a deep slumber. Britain conspired against them, along with Arab and Turkish collaborators and traitors, and ended the Islamic Caliphate and its glory.

      “Ever since the Caliphate was destroyed, the world has lost an exemplar of justice, a model for humanity in its entirety. Since then, the world has been held hostage by wolves, who do not respect the honor of a man or a believer. Two world wars cost the lives of over 70 million people, yet they accuse us of terrorism. They killed over 70 million people, and dropped atomic bombs on Japan, yet they level accusations against us.”

      “Obama Says To You, In Syria, Egypt, And Elsewhere: ‘I Have Chosen Heresy As A Religion For You'; Will You Accept Heresy As Your Religion, Oh Muslims?
      Say: ‘Allah Akbar'”

      “The world languishes under every kind of oppression. You all know what capitalism has produced, what socialism has contributed and what nationalism has brought to the world. The nationalistic Nazism and Fascism led to two world wars. Capitalism today is destroying Africa in its entirety, colonializing Asia, and controlling the petroleum and gas of the Muslims.

      “Obama says to you, in Syria, Egypt, and elsewhere: ‘I have chosen heresy as a religion for you.’ Will you accept heresy as your religion, oh Muslims? Say: ‘Allah Akbar.'”

      Crowd: “Allah Akbar.”

      Professor Mohammed Malkawi: “Say: ‘Allah Akbar.'”

      Crowd: “Allah Akbar.”

      Professor Mohammed Malkawi: ‘”We demand a state ruled by the Koran.”

      Crowd: “We demand a state ruled by the Koran.”

      Unnamed Speaker: “We demand a state ruled by the Koran.”

      Crowd: “We demand a state ruled by the Koran.”

      Unnamed Speaker: “We reject secularist rule.”

      Crowd: “We reject secularist rule.”

      Unnamed Speaker: “We reject the rule of Satan.”

      Crowd: “We reject the rule of Satan.”

      “All These Other Rulers… – From Obama, The Master Of The White House, To The Rulers Of Those Palaces In The Lands Of The Muslims – They Are All Dwarfed By The Islamic Caliphate And Law”

      Professor Mohammed Malkawi: “…Allah chose Islam to be our religion. Along came the rulers of the U.S., Britain, France, and Russia, who met with their collaborators and lackeys, and decided to sell us the religion of heresy. Let’s weigh things up. Let’s take the word of Allah… I’m not referring to you who have sold your souls for the sake of Allah, but to that great nation which has neglected its religion, and which has been sold a religion which looks like Islam, but in fact, has nothing to do with Islam.

      “…Oh Muslims, the infidels and their collaborators warn you and scare you about using the term ‘caliphate.’ They say: Use the word ‘religion,’ use the word ‘Islam,’ use any word you like, but the word ‘caliphate’ is too much. America hates it, Obama doesn’t like it, and the oil rulers fear it,
      because it demands their oil—the same oil with which they sold out the honor of the Muslims. They have made people terrified of the word ‘caliphate.’ They say to you: ‘You can say anything except that you want Islamic law.’ For them, Islamic law is something unimaginably harsh. For them, Islamic law prevents usury. It prevents them from exploiting the peoples. Islamic law and the caliphate bring about the rule of justice, which will make all those rulers face piles of garbage— for garbage is all that they are worth.

      “All these other rulers are dwarfs – from Obama, the master of the White House, to the rulers of those palaces in the lands of the Muslims. They are all dwarfed by the Islamic caliphate and law, and that is why they try to make us scared of it. They scare the Muslims. They say to the rebels in Syria: ‘Do not demand a caliphate out loud, because the U.S. will deny you equipment and aid.’ They say to the Egyptian people: ‘Do not demand to instate Islamic law, because America will not be happy about that.'”

      “Let America And Britain Hate The Caliphate; Let Britain, America, And The Entire West Go To Hell, Because The Caliphate Is Coming, Allah Willing”

      “They say that the caliphate makes the infidels angry. Don’t we want to make the infidels angry? Isn’t this Islam?

      “Let America and Britain hate the caliphate. Let Britain,America, and the entire West go to hell, because the caliphate is coming, Allah willing.””

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/dr-mohammed-malkawi-us-professor-and-founder-of-hizb-al-tahrir-in-chicago-let-britain-america-and-th.html

    • Dr Moon

      “Ritual rape, female genital mutilation, female subjugation, mass murder and the beheading of infidels doesn’t happen.” Are you kidding or just the most ignorant person on earth. I’ve never heard such nonsense. Tell this crap to the Coptic Christians living in Syria, Egypt, S Africa, Saudi, Zimbabwe, Iraq or any other Mid East Nation or Africa. I didn’t believe there really were people like you, are you sure this is not a joke. Where do you get this Wild information? Respect the Bill of Rights, that’s a good one Dan. Freedom of Religion, firstly Islam is a cult, its not a real religion. Islam was something dreamed up by a crazy Pedophile, Mohammed about 900 years ago, who equated himself with Christ and said he was a Prophet. Where things get weird is when he wants his followers to force their Cult on all unsuspecting true Religions, like Christianity, Buddhism, Shinto,Hinduism, Sikhism, Krishna and the rest. Scientology doesn’t count, its a cult also. So Muslims don’t have separation between Church and State, as do most Religions, Islam is State and Sharia is the law. This is another reason why Islam can never work in the US, Government and Islam are the same. These peaceful Muslims get upset when their Women get out of hand so when they’re babies they rip off her Clitoris and vulva to prevent her from feeling any satisfaction during sex. Maybe you don’t call this sexual mutilation, I do. Also if a married Woman gets gang raped, its her fault so she gets stoned to death and I don’t mean high. There sure was a bunch of headless bodies laying around beside the roads when I got to visit that peaceful, loving city of Baghdad a few years back. Maybe those Neocons did it. Those mean old Jews made all of this up so we could whoop ass on the Muslims, what have you been smoking? I would love to meet you in person some time, if you really exist, I’ve never known anyone as brain dead as you. For crying out loud boy, hop on a plane and head to Africa as fast as you can or if that’s too high, go to Dearborn, Michigan and make sure you stay inside the City limits as near a Mosque as possible and then get educated.

  • Steven Jay

    Firstly, I am NOT an Obama supporter and I am a Christian.Your quote “Quran 9:73″ was taken out of context–which gives it a slanted, incorrect meaning. Obamas comment below is…

    “…Ramadan is a time for thoughtful reflection, fasting and devotion. It is also an opportunity for family and friends to come together and celebrate the principles that bind people of different faiths — a commitment to peace, justice, equality and compassion towards our fellow human beings. These bonds are far stronger than the differences that too often drive us apart…..”.

    sincere and honorable. Your article sounds like negative bigotry. You are supporting the elite movement to exploit our human differences between religion, race, creeds and color. This type of attitude and subject does nothing but promote separating people instead of uniting… them together as human beings.

    After researching extensively over the past several years, I believe the so called “War of Terrorism” is actually a creation of the wealthy elitists and the military industrial complex in this country to control the people with fear. Granted Muslims have and allow unusual and cruel punishments, but the American military has been committing premeditated murder on our own troops and the people of foreign countries for years now through the use of DU Depleted Uranium in bullets and most ammunition. Additionally it has been proven by dozens of licensed professionals that the 9/11 twin towers collapse was a “controlled demolition” with pre-planted explosives and bombs. Hundreds of additional rescuers dies years later from the poison gas and dust they inhaled. The US government firmly denies this and will not provide any additional information or open their files on the investigation. What are they hiding? What are they afraid of?

    You won’t hear about this DU poisoning in this country because the main-stream media will not report on it. You have to go on the web and find the information from other news sources. The US government firmly denies any issues or further problems with using radioactive uranium weapons. Only 400 soldiers died in the first Kuwait-Iraq conflict. But since that time, over 11,000 veterans have died of diseases related to radioactive exposure during that conflict.

    The true reason other countries dislike Americans is because our military industrial complex has been trying to take control of their countries, their banking systems, their food and water supplies etc. The American people have been deceived and told that our military is freeing the people from enslavement or from a bad dictator–nothing could be further from the truth in most cases.

    The only three countries left for us to conquer are Iran, Libya and Venezuela. Just watch who we go to war with in the coming years.

    We have to look beyond the obvious to get the true story of an event reported by the US main-stream media because they only report on and tell us what they are told to be the elitists and the powerful military-industrial complex. Do the research. You will find the true results shocking!

  • Ibn Insha

    Dear Mr. John Myers,

    I agree with you about the number of Muslims who would like us (Americans) as well as all Non-Muslims to be killed. I also agree with you with the fact the way Non-Muslims are treated in Muslim countries. I also agree with you that President Obama and our governments at all level has been trying to appease Muslims. But I disagree with you the way you are trying to portray Islam itself. Have you ever read Koran? I doubt that. If you have not read a book you don’t know anything about the book. Bad Muslims does not equate to Islam as bad religion. You have right to your opinion but you don’t have right to your own facts.

    Like many ignorant people, including Muslims themselves, you take a small part of a verse of Koran and interpret it out of true context. By doing so, both you and Muslims, incite hatred against Islam.

    You wrote, “It also bothers me that Obama just doesn’t get it about Islam, or does he? He is displaying either a total ignorance about the War on Terror
    (here is a hint, Mr. President: Islam is involved) or, worse, he has
    sympathetic views toward Islam, its goals and the murderous means it
    will use to achieve them.”

    Does not the above statement makes it clear that you are claiming that Islam is the cause of terrorism? If you replace Islam with Muslims I would have agreed with you because I know what Muslims are doing around the world. But because they are doing it in the name of Islam does not mean Islam is bad. When Florida pastor, Terry Jones, threatened to burn Koran, did it mean Christianity is bad? Absolutely not. It was has personal behavior.

    When you claim Islam is bad that means all Muslims are bad and that is not true. There are many good Muslims right here in America and around the world. They do speak against bad practice among Muslims trying to put their fellow believers in the right path but they do not get exposure by media. In other countries they get some media coverage but they pay a very high price of speaking truth. They are killed, at worst, or their lives made living hell, at best, in their native countries. But of course either you are ignorant of their existence or admittance of their being does not fit your narrative. These Muslims need to be supported by us but by calling their faith evil we alienate them from us and our way of life.

    I do expect an average person to comment on a person’s faith based on that person’s behavior but a person like you, who writes to the people, should be careful. You should be source of knowledge for common people and not of ignorance.

    • Louis Lemieux

      I totally agree with you. I have a few friends who are Muslims, they are very good people who just want to live in peace with everybody. I visited them at a mosque where the iman showed me how Islam is a religion of peace. It’s too bad a minority of Muslims are taught otherwise. Muslims themselves suffer the most at the hands of those extremists.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        “They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” (Matthew 15:13-14)

      • Dr Moon

        Louie baby, Islam itself is the problem. It’s not just a few bad Muslims dirtying up the whole bunch. If that was the case, there wouldn’t be so many wars and murders from Muslims. Most of the Muslims living in the US appear nice and peaceful, it wouldn’t be too smart to say otherwise in a nation where you are vastly outnumbered. But where Muslims are the majority, its a totally different picture, In Muslims Nation EVERYBODY is on the extremest band wagon. Even in Dearborn, Michigan, Sharia is the Law. It is routine for them to attack and kill unsuspecting Whites, who stayed too late at the Henry Ford Museum. The State Police don’t even patrol Dearborn any longer, its another Muslim Country, right here in America. You people must stop being so naive and start investigating the truth. Do you really believe your Muslim friends are going to say Oh sure, we hate Pig Jews and dirty dog Americans, we’d love to slice your throat from ear to ear. Not going to happen. In the Koran it even tells Muslims to lie to achieve their goals. This explains why its so easy for Obama to lie to us about what he’s doing to America.

      • Timothy Sullivan

        One may smile and smile and be a villain! True in Shakespeare’s day and most definitely true today!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Actually Islam is more cultic and is not a religion. If they are a religion of peace, then why are women, minorities, and people of other religions treated as if they were pond scum? I have read the Koran, English version, and there are many places in it talking about killing infidels and people who do not believe in Allah. I’ve even seen what they do by going to Iraq multiple times and Afghanistan. You’re friends, or the people you know, may be peaceful, but it wouldn’t take long for an imam to stir them up. Here is a video talking about Egypt.
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/why-will-the-u-s-not-go-to-egypt/
      Here is one showing that Egypt is asking Obama bin Laden to stop supporting terrorists.
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/egyptian-pleads-with-obama-america-leave-us-alone-stop-supporting-terrorists/
      Here is one showing that Al-Jazeera is linked to terrorism.
      http://www.patriotupdate.com/articles/egypt-gets-it-so-why-is-terror-linked-to-al-jazeera-allowed-in-the-us/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
      Benjamin Franklin
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

    • Peter

      Dear Ibn, I’m afraid it is you who do not understand the qur’an or islam. The problem is not with some muslims.

      The problem is with islam itself.

      Read what the qur’an really says about the Jews, Christians and all infidels.

      The qur’an contains at least 109 verses that call muslims to war with
      nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that allah will send them to hell if they do not join the slaughter.

      Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the qur’an are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the qur’an.

      The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be
      expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today’s muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology. Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to islam, or are
      killed. muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions –
      along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the qur’an have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

      (Thanks tohttp://thereligionofpeace.com/)

    • Peter

      Dear Ibn, here is the latest scorecard, just for ramadam-a-ding-dong!

      Ramadan Bombathon
      2013 Scorecard
      Because, if you think all religions are the same, then you haven’t been paying attention!

      Day 9

      In the name of ‘The Religion of Peace': 73 terror attacks, with 353 deaths.

      In the name of Any Other Religion: 0 and 0.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      According to the Center for the Study of Political Islam: The religion of
      “peace” fought 548 battles against the world and executed over 19,000 jihad attacks

      Sources: The ancient historic documents; Archeology beneath the Mediterranean; Archeology on land

      Islam is 91% violence, 9% peace; 80% Political & 20% religious.

      The Doctrine of the religion of “peace” drives violence. Amount of Trilogy Text Devoted to Jihad: Medinan koran – 24%; Sira – 67%; Hadith – 21%; Total Trilogy – 31%.

      Do you know How many people were murdered during 1400 years in the name of the religion of “peace”?

      Christians – 60 Million (including genocide ~ 1.5 Million Turkish Armenians)
      Buddhists – 10 Millions
      Hindus – 80 Millions
      Africans – 120 Million
      Total: 270 Million and the number is growing each day.
      The HISTORICAL FACTS show the TRUE nature of Islam.

      Islam was the enemy of ALL civilizations.

      WHY the ‘Intellectual’ History of the 1400 years never using “Muslim” or “Islam” in the documents, but Arab, Turk, Moor, al-Qaeda, HAMAS,
      HISBOLA, Taliban, even Asian?

      Tell me, in WHAT country is taught the TRUE HISTORY of islam, or slavery, or degradation of women, or promoting pedophilia as a norm, or jihad, or destruction of civilizations, or hate for infidels, especially Jews and Christians? Why we (including muslims) are kept ignorant regarding the TRUE face of islam?

      The islamic history at schools in reality is apologetic PROPAGANDA: Islam is religion of “peace” and is never wrong.

      Sorry, I have right to my opinion, but also I do have right to HISTORICAL facts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

      Your prophet Mohammed and Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLemqgrqp88

      “Islam ia the most horrible thing I have experienced in my life.” – The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw

      They JUST followed Sharia Law – Teenager girl (19) stoned to death for entering a beauty pageant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFiyuIUIFs

      And MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE.

      • Timothy Sullivan

        They JUST followed Sharia law…Muslims. I was only following orders…Adolph Eichmann. Eichmann was hanged for his part in crimes against humanity. As for the so called “peaceful” Muslims, why do you not then police your own bloodthirsty brethren? If we Christians started torching mosques and slaughtering every Muslim we could lay our hands on, there would be a world outcry to stop the bloodshed. Don’t see it on the part of the Muslims and never will. Their cop-out? It is allah’s will.

  • Jeff

    You really should be ashamed of yourself for trying to foment another Crusade. I know it’s counter-intuitive but you actually do have some influence, albeit over some very disturbed followers I will not name. Yes, there are a lot of Muslims who are not particularly fond of the West in general and the U.S. in particular. But to compare our differences with the most radical sects of Islam and make it a War with all of Islam is a bit extreme, don’t you think? It’s somehow unpatriotic for the President to say “Happy Ramadan” to the Islamic World? I’ll bet even Ike once said “Merry Christmas” to a Russian!
    I assume you know this but Ramadan is not an Al Quaeda holiday. It’s celebrated all over the Islamic World – even in countries where we have decent relations like Indonesia, India, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. Your statistics show a lot of single digits for U.S. hatred. That means a lot more don’t feel that way. And even the ones who may “hate” the U.S. because they just read a story about a drone attack may be a long way from being terrorists.
    Myers, you can be part of the problem or part of the solution. If you want to be responsible, don’t inflame an already tense situation with twisted half-truths just to score cheap political points. If Obama hadn’t said anything, you or one of the other genius columnists would be asking why Obama didn’t extend holiday wishes to all the good Muslims out there not affiliated with Al Qaeda.

  • WTS/JAY

    Pro-Morsi demonstration at Al-Aqsa Mosque: U.S., France, Britain to be destroyed, Rome to be conquered

    There were also calls for the restoration of the caliphate. The caliphate is supposed to be the unitary state in which every Muslim is a citizen. In Sunni theology, only the caliph is authorized to wage offensive jihad — which is one reason (but not the only reason) why in the current absence of a caliph all jihads are justified by endless grievance-mongering. All jihad is currently defensive, so the grievances have to be retailed.

    This crowd also repeated the genocidal and anti-Semitic “Khaybar” war chant.

    “Pro-Morsi Demonstration at Al-Aqsa Mosque: U.S., France, Britain to Be Destroyed, Rome to Be Conquered,” from MEMRI, July 12:

    Following are excerpts from a pro-Morsi demonstration held outside the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, which was posted on the Internet on July 12, 2013:

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May America be destroyed.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar.

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May France be destroyed.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar. May France be destroyed.

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May Rome be conquered.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar. May Rome be conquered.

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May America be destroyed.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar. May America be destroyed.

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May France be destroyed.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar. May France be destroyed.

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May Britain be destroyed.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar. May Britain be destroyed.

    Palestinian cleric: Allah Akbar. May Rome be

    : Allah Akbar. May Rome be conquered.

    Palestinian cleric: We warn you, oh America: Take your hands off the Muslims. Take your hands off the Muslims. You have wrecked havoc in Syria, and before that, in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and now in Egypt. Who do you think we are, America? We are the nation of Islam – a giant and mighty nation, which extends from east to west. Soon, we will teach you a political and military lesson, Allah willing. Allah Akbar. All glory to Allah.

    Crowd: Allah Akbar. All glory to Allah.

    Palestinian cleric: Oh Obama, listen up…

    Crowd: Oh Obama, listen up…

    Palestinian cleric: The Caliphate shall return.

    Crowd: The Caliphate shall return.

    Palestinian cleric: Oh Obama, listen up…

    Crowd: Oh Obama, listen up…

    Palestinian cleric: The Caliphate shall return.

    Crowd: The Caliphate shall return.

    Demonstrator: Say: “Allah Akbar.”

    Crowd: Allah Akbar.

    Demonstrator: We are the nation of the best men.

    Crowd: We are the nation of the best men.

    “You are the best nation produced for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah.” — Qur’an 3:110

    Demonstrator: We want to cleanse it of the impure.

    Crowd: We want to cleanse it of the impure.

    “O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean…” — Qur’an 9:28

    Demonstrator: Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews…

    Crowd: Khaybar, khaybar, oh Jews….

    Demonstrator: The army of Muhammad will return.Crowd: The army of Muhammad will return.

    http://jihadwatch.terrorismawareness.org/?q=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5qaWhhZHdhdGNoLm9yZy8yMDEzLzA3L3Byby1tb3JzaS1kZW1vbnN0cmF0aW9uLWF0LWFsLWFxc2EtbW9zcXVlLXVzLWZyYW5jZS1icml0YWluLXRvLWJlLWRlc3Ryb3llZC1yb21lLXRvLWJlLWNvbnF1ZXJlZC5odG1s

  • WiSe GuY

    0bama should change his middle name to: Idiot.

  • Dave

    John Myers,
    Can you write an article without BS?
    Obama makes statements on almost all world-religion’s major holidays…Oh and your innocent Christians are not that far removed from the Holocaust… you know the Christian “super-warrior” Adolph Hitler killing millions of jews? Or how about many rants here and in society by “god fearing” Christians against homosexuals and being ok with violence against those “sinners”.
    You are a waste of space and an angry old man. Move to FL and yell at kids for being on your lawn. You lack the intellectual honesty to make any political points.

    • sidewinderaz

      Get your facts straight. Hitler was half Jewish himself and agnostic at best. He was murdering ANYONE who opposed or spoke out against him or the Nazi party.
      Perhaps it’s you who are the “angry old man”. Perhaps you should move to Cuba where you’ll probably be more at home with the life of Communism they lead.
      And your comment about “Christians agains homosexuals being OK with violence…” makes you look foolish and ignorant as well as uneducated.
      Troll elsewhere Obamabot.

  • Karl Ess

    “… he has sympathetic views toward Islam”. Sadly, the first 4 years should have awakened the the USA voters. It did not, and so ‘History repeats itself”. We in the USA are little different that the populace of Germany between the WW’s.

    We are too busy being law-abiding, tax-paying, God-fearing sheep to see the ground opening up under our feet. While I am staunchly Christian, I do not condone the Crusades of the 1300’s. After all, the ‘supreme being’ did give me a brain to use. And to the respondent [DAVE] who resurrected the Holocaust, I also remind you that Hitler persecuted not only Jews … Gypsies, Homosexuals, and Catholics, to name just a few. This I know as my German Catholic parents returned to the US in 1937 so that I would not be born in Hitlerian Germany. As a christian, I am compelled to love my brother. BUT that doesn’t mean that I must permit him to take my life. Irregardless of his religious preferences, for the top leader of the US to hesitate to wear a US flag lapel pin should have shown us where his loyalties are NOT. Let us never permit the removal of “God Bless America” from our currency (and hearts). The loss of non-denominational prayer in our schools should have opened our eyes. Appeasement is not the answer.

  • Tim

    I despise the Muslim religion, but this is a libertarian site. I only hear war-loving neocons say Mr. drone strike “doesn’t understand the war on terror”.
    #NotoLizCheney.

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