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Happy Freaking Holidays

December 23, 2010 by  

Happy Freaking Holidays

During an appearance on Inside Washington last weekend, National Public Radio‘s Nina Totenberg was rambling through the usual Democrat Party talking points, which she presumably thinks pass for erudite commentary, when she jerked the wheel of mendacity for a moment to offer her sincere apologies for uttering a grossly offensive word…”Christmas”:

“Well, these agencies, including the Defense Department, don’t know how much money they’ve got and for what. And I was at—forgive the expression—a Christmas party at the Department of Justice and people actually were really worried about this…"

Oh, Nina—there are so many things wrong with that whole sentence that it’s difficult to know where to aim the bandwidth.

So—Ms. Totenberg was kicking back at Eric Holder’s place, and everyone took a break from drinking eggnog, refusing to prosecute racist election law violators and defaming the good people of Arizona in order to whine about how much jack those jerks over the Pentagon have?

Moreover, did she just apologize for attending a Christmas Party? I suppose she would have eschewed the pardon-begging if it had been a Ramadan party? I should also ask: “They’re having Christmas parties—at Obama’s Department of Justice?” Does anyone want to bet on how many times the Attorney General did “Mele Kalikimaka” on the karaoke machine?

She’s not sorry that she was playing “pin the red nose on Rudolph” with Obama Administration insiders while claiming to be an independent media commentator. She’s not even sorry she was getting her groove on at the Department of Justice. Nina is begging our pardon for saying “Christmas.”

Nina, that’s just about the only thing for which I will pardon you. Had you been doing the white-woman’s overbite on the DOJ dance floor during a Hanukkah party, I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid. I certainly wouldn’t have expected an apology (although the other party-goers might feel differently).

During the season of giving, I would have surmised that an open-minded and tolerant pundit such as Nina would be more than happy to offer a little tolerance to us Christians. After all, we’ve been fighting off our supposedly Inquisitorial instincts for quite some time in order to tolerate her.

I presume Ms. Totenberg’s apology was directed at the poor non-Christians in the Washington, D.C., Public Broadcasting Service affiliate’s meager audience. I was unaware that they lacked the ability to endure the indignity of hearing about a Christmas party. Just yesterday, I heard a reference to the manufactured “Kwanzaa” holiday. The individual who made the reference offered no apology; of course, I didn’t ask for one.

For almost 80 percent of the nearly 310 million Americans, Christmas is the “most wonderful time of the year.” My question for Ms. Totenberg and her ilk: Why can’t it be the most wonderful time of your year? No one expects you to trim a tree, nor make sure the stockings are hung with care; and I am in no way complaining about some “war on Christmas.” I’m merely suggesting, in the tolerant vein of the Democrats’ beloved savior, Barack Obama, how about the Democrats allow us to show a little love to our Savior? As for Ms. Totenberg: Maybe your wish for Christmas 2010 doesn’t involve some Republican’s grandchildren being stricken with AIDS?

The liberal disdain for Christmas cheer clearly stems from their standard fear mongering masquerading as cultural awareness. It leaves out the right of every American to celebrate his (or her—how’s that for sensitivity?) own culture without reasonable restriction. If you want to celebrate Christmas, then go jingle your bells. If Hanukkah is your winter wonder-days, then spin that dreidel! Heck, invent your own holiday feast! (Kwanzaa has been taken since the late 60s.)

We live in what may well be the most fractured America since the end of the Civil War. It strikes me that a holiday season in which the message ought to be one of love and acceptance engenders an annual effort by some to deliberately exclude others based on religious intolerance. Ms. Totenberg—I’m not talking about the guys who wanted to put up a Nativity scene at the Fire Station.

With Christmas day less than 48 hours from now, I thought it might at least be worthwhile to simply say to Ms. Totenberg and the rest of the killjoys on the left:

“I forgive you. Merry Christmas.”

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://none Mike

    Mr. Crystal, Its beyond these peoples ability to let anyone enjoy anything for that matter.They spend their days worring about who is going to be offended by what.And how to eliminate any offence. In doing so not only do they destroy their own happiness but they try to destroy others as well. If they arent happy noone else should be either. This really comes down to a war on happiness.If they had their utopian world then everyone would be as miserable as them.

    This is all done in the guise of tolarance. Tolarance of who by whom? And suppriseingly enough the ones that scream the loudest about tolarance are the least tolerent of all.This is one thing above all others that the bible tries to teach us.It is to love one another as you would love him. For in the least you have done unto your brother you have done unto me.But for these people this rule of life does not apply. Need we dare say that there is something in their own life that they hate so much it has to be hidden in hatred twords others?
    I really dont know but it does tend to polarise us that much more when in banging the drums of tolarance all they succed in doing is creating divisions.

    Just in the name of tolarance I will wish everyone a happy holiday.

    And for my true feelings A MERRY CHRISTMAS and A JOYFUL NEW YEAR to all whether they belive it or not. Mike L.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Mike,

      You posted: “It is to love one another as you would love him.”

      Yup, I’ve seen lots of tolerence around here. How nice of you to want to send gays to the front lines to make sure two enemies die… The gays and the muslums.

      I’ve seen a lot of tolerance for those who can’t afford health care.

      I’ve seen a lot of tolerance for the sins of the father (and mother) for kids who had their dream stomped on last weekend.

      So much tolerance on these forums (not).

      Rob

      • Allan Halbert

        Seems to me some tolerance for the majority is in order.

        • Robert Smith

          If the majority wanted slaves would that make it OK.

          The majority has approved medical pot in over a dozen states. Why don’t you respect that?

          The majority has approved of abortion.

          The majority MUST follow the Constitution of the United States. Where in there does it say it’s OK to deny health care?

          Where in there does it say one can’t die with dignity as has been VOTED on TWICE in Oregon?

          Where in the Constitution does it say to ban abortion?

          Rob

      • R

        But if you two are so tolerant then why do you seek to shut down any opposing opinions? (you and the other liberals-so much for tolerance)

        • eddie47d

          Nothing is being shut down ,only clarifying the hypocrisies on both sides. That is more than Ben has done.

          • TIME

            Eddie, by Ben is that BenDoeVer and ShutUpA?

          • DaveH

            Clarifying hypocrisy on both sides? I think dealing with the hypocrisy on the Left should keep you much too busy, Eddie, to comment on anything else.

          • http://none Mike

            Eddie, It looks like I got the debate off on the right foot this morning. At least we are talking about it. And I seem to have hit a few nervs. I love how the first 2 comments put words in my mouth for me. And made it look like I had said thoes things myself. I do not belive since I have been writeing here you will find where I wished anyone dead or even Ill. But yet for simply pointing out that these people that are attacking one another just might be unhappy with themselves. I am a demon that needs to be crushed. Mike L.

          • JeffH

            Mike, now isn’t that a surprise…someone putting words in your mouth?
            That is what “droids” do, didn’t you know that?

          • Al Sieber

            Mike L, don’t let the SOB’s get to you, hang tough.

        • Robert Smith

          Question asked: “But if you two are so tolerant then why do you seek to shut down any opposing opinions? (you and the other liberals-so much for tolerance)”

          You mean like Air America? It’s simple big business that supports Rudh and Savage and a bunch of other networks just won’t pay for the advertizing. Big money speaks, but those of us who aren’t making it just can’t pay.

          Rob

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        and your point being ,we have 308 million people and 20 million are none citizens counted as citizens of the 20 million illegals that are here most are on the public dole [school food housing]at public expence,your goverment can build a church for none christens in other countrys but we can only say happy holidays,we have billions to feed the poor in other countrys,and protect their borders but can not or will not close are own,if obama saz white people go to back of bus that ok but i disagree with him i am a racist,the at general can sue the people he is suppost to protect,the union bosses can come and go to the white house anytime they want,the eis union of navada check the voting mech ;and the president of their union said on tv they have illegals in their union, so to you and your liberal friends a lump of coal, and the rest marry christmas and a better new years

        • Robert Smith

          marvin’s screed: “we have 308 million people and 20 million are none citizens counted as citizens of the 20 million illegals that are here most are on the public dole [school food housing]at public expence,”

          Can you translate that into English?

          20,000,000 is a big number of illegals. You should be able to prove that one easily. But, who are the other 20,000,000?

          Fact is that I’d like to see the border CLOSED tightly. The ones who are here (except for violent criminals and not criminals because of immigration issues) should be offered a path to legal status of some sort. That is not necessarily citizenship, but it will be something better than living in the underground economy.

          “your goverment can build a church for none christens”

          Prove it. I’m not aware of ANY.

          “we have billions to feed the poor in other countrys,and protect their borders but can not or will not close are own,”

          Again prove that.

          BTW, I’m aware of Bush spending a bundle. How can you support such over seas when folks are DYING in America?

          The headline is: “Bush seeks boost in AIDS spending
          The president plans to ask Congress for $30 billion over five years for a global effort to combat the disease.”

          From: “The NationMay 31, 2007|James Gerstenzang | Times Staff WriterWASHINGTON”

          “President Bush said Wednesday that he would ask Congress to increase U.S. support for the global fight against HIV/AIDS to $30 billion over five years from the current commitment of $15 billion.

          The White House estimates the increased spending would treat 2.5 million people, prevent 12 million infections and provide additional care for 12 million people, among them 5 million orphans and other children.

          In the program’s first three years, through March, it helped pay for treatment of 1.1 million people in 15 countries, nearly all of them in Africa.”

          What do you think about that?

          “This level of assistance is unprecedented, and the largest commitment by any nation to combat a single disease,” Bush said of the initial five-year program. “This investment has yielded the best possible return: saved lives.”

          In a speech in the White House Rose Garden, Bush said, “It’s important that we continue the work we have begun.”

          Here goes Marvin with more: “unif obama saz white people go to back of bus that ok but i disagree with him i am a racist,the at general can sue the people he is suppost to protect,the union bosses can come and go to the white house anytime they want,the eis union of navada check the voting mech ;and the president of their union said on tv they have illegals in their union, so to you and your liberal friends a lump of coal, and the rest marry christmas and a better new years”

          Would someone please translate marvin’s remarks?

          Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        When you give up all your wealth and live like the average Zimbabweans, then you may have some credibility when you whine about our intolerance for the healthcare of others. Giving your money to the really poor people in the world would be charity. What you advocate is taking the money from others to spend on your own pet projects. That is not charity, that is Theft. You are a thief, Robert, own it. Don’t try to take the moral highground when you are anything but moral.
        The funny thing is that the Liberals I have known in my lifetime were very stingy with their own money. They love though to give away the money of other people. Here is evidence of that:
        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

        • DaveH

          In the past Healthcare was very affordable. But then along came Malpractice Lawsuits, Licensing Laws (primarily designed to stifle competition), and many other meddling regulations pushed by the Big Government that Liberals love. You have to be high on crack, to not realize that all those things cause medical costs to go up, not down. Government now takes over 35% of our GDP to save us. Is that an Oxymoron or what? What are they saving us from? Wealth? And the money is just the visible part. Every time we transfer a worker from the private sector to the government sector we lose productivity. Every new regulatory hoop the government creates stifles more productivity. Less productivity means higher costs for our goods and services.
          Hong Kong gets by on spending 15% for their Government. And they have a robust economy. Are their people just more well-behaved? I doubt it.
          The bottom line is this – How many of you would voluntarily pay the over $15,000/year that our governments spend? And that’s for every man, woman, and child in this country. For sure, many would contract for various functions freely, such as police or firemen, but $15,000/year? For each member of the family? I would pay maybe $5,000/year at the most for the services that I would want. Probably less.

          • HFlashman

            “Hong Kong gets by on spending 15% for their Government. And they have a robust economy.” <– DaveH

            I see, and they have a vocal group of fanatics who are hell bent for leather to keep funding a bloated military as we do? Hmmm…I think not. There is more but it gets the point across.

            As to you willing to spend $5,000 to get what you want…and how about what anyone else wants? And what if the $5,000 is not enough…or you need more? And the side beenfitsw you receive from spending elsewhere?

            Selfish is what I read in your post. Pure stupidity, misleading statements and a whole lot of selfish want and behavior…

          • DaveH

            Flashdunce,
            Can you even read? If you could, you would know that I stick my neck out often against the Military state.
            I’m talking about voluntary spending, Flashdunce. You know, Choice, a word Liberals are unfamiliar with unless it involves the termination of an unborn baby. What anyone else wants is none of my business. They are free to spend their own money on their own pet services.
            If I’m selfish for wanting to spend my own money my own way, then what are you for wanting to spend my money your way, Flashdunce? Save your personal attacks for your fellow Ignorant Liberals who might be affected by your weak attempt at manipulation.

          • Kinetic1

            Dave H,
            As I have noted before, the cost for medical coverage for spouse and children costs our family over $7,000 a month. I would gladly pay that to the government instead of an insurance company if it meant that our neighbors would receive health care as well. So $15,000 for health, police, fire, etc. Sure, it sounds like a bargain.

            Now, shall we talk about Hong Kong? Workers there are poisoned because they do not have the safety regulations we have. Over 100 Gold Peak Battery workers are suffering from cadmium poisoning, but the company is not interested. Workers representatives have tried to address the problem, but the company responds by having them beaten. Yes, Hong Kong has a robust economy, but they also have factories reminiscent of the sweat shops we outlawed a century ago. Would you have us turn back the clock on worker and environmental health just to make a buck? The answer is not to be more like China, but to refuse imports of products made in factories that don’t meet our standards. Yes, prices would go up and Wall-Mart shoppers might have to settle for a few less wash towels, but the air would be cleaner, workers would be healthier and our own factories would finally be able to compete.

        • Al Sieber

          Dave, thanks for the link, your wasting your time with Robert, he won’t look up anything.

          • Robert Smith

            Interesting Al… It would seem the only way you can make a point is to lie about another.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From David H: “That is not charity, that is Theft. You are a thief, Robert, own it. Don’t try to take the moral highground when you are anything but moral.”

          Well, among all the religions in America there isn’t ENOUGH charity to provide health care. Even the Catholic Hospitals bill, and they don’t provide complete service anyhow. The Shriners offer specific treatments but they are run COMPLETELY on the charitible efforts of the Masons as they do parades and circuses.

          So, it is a moral issue and I have the high ground on this one.

          It’s clear that you would rather watch people die than give up your money. That’s not a moral religion.

          Rob

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “Hi Mike,

        You posted: “It is to love one another as you would love him.”

        Yup, I’ve seen lots of tolerence around here.”

        I would guess by the comments that follow that you are being sarcastic. So look again at what Mike posted (and you quoted). Jesus Christ did not ask you to tolerate the sinful acts of one another. He asked you to love one another as you would love him.

        I love my children. I do NOT tolerate bad behavior in them. As reminded to me in the Lords Prayer I do forgive them their trespasses as I ask God every day to forgive me mine.

        Now as to here in this forum the moderators are VERY tolerant of our debates which often have ad hominem attacks in them. This forum has been VERY tolerant of diverse opinion. Even your fellow commentators do not really trash you. They will be very rough on ideas and (silly or otherwise) points in the debate but but this is a much more civilized discussion than I have seen on many other sites (You should have been there for usenet and the flamewars. :) ).

        What more do you want from them?

        Robert writes:
        “How nice of you to want to send gays to the front lines to make sure two enemies die… The gays and the muslums.”

        Gay people are not our enemies. Neither are Homosexuals. Muslims are not unless they follow faithfully their Religious Doctrine.
        So if Homosexuals choose to be in the Army why should they be exempt from joining their brothers in arms on the front lines?

        Robert: “I’ve seen a lot of tolerance for those who can’t afford health care.”

        I take it you are not an emergency room technician. If you were you would see a lot more than just tolerance in the tireless work of countless doctors and nurses et all in every emergency room in the US. That by the way is the place where ANYONE gets medical care regardless of their ability to pay. It is been that way for as long as I can remember. There is even a federal law passed in 1986 and signed into law by that “most evil” of Republicans R. Reagan.
        How much more tolerant do you expect them to be?

        Robert: “I’ve seen a lot of tolerance for the sins of the father (and mother) for kids who had their dream stomped on last weekend.”

        Last weekend? What did the democrats do last weekend? Oh right. They foolishly agreed with millions of naturalized US Citizens and thousands or millions of foreigners who have been waiting patiently in line. If you want to come (or stay) here please do not CUT into the line.

        • http://none Mike

          Thank you Vicki, For understanding my point. It so saddens me that we have been taught to hate one another and to judge their every move. If we would just do as Jesus taught and follow the teachings as they were ment. How much better off would our world be? Insted we approch it as I am right you are wrong if you dont belive the same way I do. Me I have learned in my 42 years of walking around on this earth. That my opinions have changed greatly as I grow and learn.I think that is our greatest curse as humans. We get comfortable in our ignorance and see it as a shineing example of knowledge. This goes for christian and Non- believer as well. Mike L.

        • http://none Mike

          And to head off the comments I am being self ritous that I know are comming. Not no but hell no. I know and understand fully I have faults. When they are pointed out to me I try to learn and grow from them. Not stiffen my neck and continue to grind them as truths. Mike L.

        • Robert Smith

          From Vicki: ” That by the way is the place where ANYONE gets medical care regardless of their ability to pay.”

          Yup, when a condition like a diabetic about to lose his feet, becomes an emergency they right is all so willing to let them lose ‘em.

          For significantly LESS money, had they gotten treatment early such a disaster would not usually occur.

          Too bad the extreme right is unwilling to give women who as for it birth control. Yea, yea, you want them to follow YOUR religion and abstain but we all know how that didn’t work for oh so perfect Sarah’s daughetr.

          Then you don’t want to support the kids you want to force to come out.

          Yup, we all know how health care is from the right. It’s pretty much pay or die.

          Rob

      • Bruce D.

        Robert Smith you advocate Marxism. It is an ideology that takes money by the use of force. That is stealing. If force doesn’t have to be used then people have succumb to slavery. Marxism in the name of social justice really advocates theft and slavery. If you advocate stealing from people or making them slaves to redistribute money it does not give you some kind of moral high ground.

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Bruce,

          You call it Marsixm.

          I call it selfish pay or die when it come to health care in America. How dare you claim to be “pro-life” when people are DYING because of your own greed.

          Rob

      • kate8

        R S – You sure have a thing for that gay issue. It seems very close to your heart (assuming you have one).

        Funny how you bring up the darndest things amid any topic.

        There are probably even gays who celebrate Christmas!

        • Robert Smith

          awwww kate: “You sure have a thing for that gay issue.”

          Yup, sure do. I also have a thing for health care. I don’t like the current pay or die system just because a bunch of greedy name callers don’t want to help their fellow Americans. BTW the countries who have single payer insurence have a LOWER GNP spent on health care AND they rank way above us in health care while we rank next to Cuba. Ain’t you proud of your health care in America. Best there is if you are greedy enough to afford it.

          I’m also pro-gun and anti-crime.

          I’m also in favor of pot for recreation. It’s safer, cheaper, and doesn’t give onea hangover.

          I’m not pro-abortion, I’m pro women’s rights. If you have someone to a party and they decide to stay I’ll bet you would call the police to get them out. IF the police didn’t help and that PERSON continued to stay I’ll bet you might call Smith & Wesson to help out.

          Rob

    • hflashman

      Look…it’s very simple. It’s called tolerance. Get some. the stammering by the NPR reporter is understandable. Religion cannot and should not be invasive in government. Just as you may be offended if an office holds a Ramadan party, or a Krishna party, or a Wicca party, how difficult is it to understand there are many who are offended and concerned abut any governmetal appearance of approving christianity as an acceptable religion above all others?

      And it’s a continuous amazement how “christians’ claim there’s some ‘war’ on XMas as they have thier XMas trees (pagan), entertain their children with tales of Santa (pagan), talk about the birth of some dude in the ME some 2000 odd years ago (shown to be inaccurate as to date…b a full season or so), and who can’t give more than a very superficial overview of the religion without having to comment on the various sects and differing beliefs within the religion?

      Jeesh. it’s Winter Holidays…time to celebrate the season and end of our calendar year and beginning of a new one.

      So quit complaining about some hyped up false ‘war’ on your frippin’ religion, be glad that we have a government which observes with strict nuetrality religions of all nature, and celebrate your holiday deriving from whatever source.

      Happy Holidays !

      • Dave.

        The problem is – the government isn’t “religion-neutral.” It ascribes to the religion of Secular Humanism; evolution, globalism, diversity, etc. Think humanism isn’t a religion?? Check out Humanist Manifesto 1 2, the comments of one of Humanism’s stars – Adulous Huxley and other stars of this movement such as Charles Darwin himself. Seriously, who in their right mind believes that nothing plus eons of time = what we have now?? Think you’re a god? Stand in front of any one of the natural disasters such as a Hurricane, Volcano, etc. Bottom line – what’s your moral compass?? Where do you get your idea of “right and wrong”? How do you presume to judge anyone if you have no standard – you’re neutral, aren’t you?? Without standards, you’d have no reality!!

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Dave,

          I didn’t see Darwin on the list of famous humanists.

          Check it out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanists

          Rob

          • Angel Wannabe

            RS__ Wiki as a source???__ anyone can change fact to fiction in one fell swoop!__Suggestion, find a better source.

          • DaveH

            It’s ironic, Robert, that you bring up Darwin, given the fact that Socialist politics have extincted the economies of every country in which they were fully implemented. But, sure, they will work this time.
            And it’s odd to me that Liberals would embrace and push so hard for policies that have no proven positive track record, anywhere. Are you just plain Ignorant? Of course you are.

          • Robert Smith

            Sure Angel, here you go: http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_humanist.html

            Darwin isn’t there either. MOF, his early life included very much beign a christian, and his wife was very christian.

            Why do you have to lie to make a BS point that doesn’t stand up.

            Rob

        • Bob Wire

          That’s true Dave, government is not neutral because it made up of people that are not naturals, but this whole article seem to center around someones “attempt to be neutral”.

          This “neutral” is a goal that we might aspire to, in some attempt at purity of words and deeds in matters of the “peoples house” and that all the people and not select group of people.

          It’s a hard thing to do ! When someone represents more then just “self” the position demands it.

          That any might fall short ( and we do! often) tolerance is most welcome.

          Since we a now a nation of many peoples with different beliefs systems and we stay in a constant battle of words and ideas just make it necessary.

          But!

          From my household to yours, Merry Christmas to all.

        • Karolyn

          I believe everyone has a moral compass built in and does not need a religion to be moral. I know people brought up without any religious training, one born in East Berlin; and they are very moral people. I remember when I first met the East Berliner and spoke to her of God, she told me she knew nothing of God because of their Communist regime. The American soldier she married was also raised without religion. They are both moral people and appear to be raising their child to be a moral person as well.

          • American Citizen

            When children are born, they are morally neutral. It takes the adults who raise them and teach them for them to find their moral compass. Look at the jihadists. They’re taught in their mosques to be terrorists. Christianity is a religion of peace. True Christians believe in the ten commandments and the golden rule. They believe in the rule of law and obey them. If the laws are bad, they work to change them. That’s where the moral compass comes in. It’s needed more than ever in D.C.

          • HFlashman

            Christianity is a religion of peace and tolerance? By the gawds above….how can anyone say that with a straight face? Especially since those who espouse teaching that religion in such a manner are attacked and derided by the fundmentalists sects of that religion …

          • Bruce D.

            Go preach that nonsense to those in the inner cities Karloyn and see how far you get. Only don’t go there too late at night for your own safety.

          • DaveH

            I would like to know how you can make the comments you make with a straight face, Flashdunce? In fact, I sometimes wonder if somebody on Bob’s staff isn’t writing your comments to make Liberals look bad. You certainly do a good job of it.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – I’m pretty certain, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Flashman is his own misguided person – Personal Liberty would not lower itself to that manner, as you well know.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            if you believe in a moral compass (as I do) how do you explain queers and criminals? Are they just off a few degrees ?

          • Karolyn

            I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Any gays I’ve ever known have been very moral people. Criminals are deviations. Maybe they’re missing something in their DNA.

          • DaveH

            Gunner,
            I respect your right to not associate with Gays, but please don’t lump them in the same pile with Criminals. Gays may harm themselves (or maybe not), but unlike Criminals they are not harming others (at least against their will).

          • Vicki

            gunner689 says:
            “if you believe in a moral compass (as I do) how do you explain queers and criminals? Are they just off a few degrees ?”

            Your Creator gave you (and homosexuals and even criminals) 2 gifts. Life and free will. How you use those gifts and how you respect those gifts in others defines your character.

            That is a moral compass that can (And does) work for every sentient being.

            Being homosexual does not infringe on those gifts in others.
            Acting with consenting adults does not infringe on those gifts.

            Criminal behavior DOES infringe on one or both of those gifts.

          • crystals10

            Wishy – washy comes to mind when you speak.

        • HFlashman

          “Seriously, who in their right mind believes that nothing plus eons of time = what we have now??”

          Those who see the facts and need not rely on fable tales for their belief system believe that.

          As for morals and values … if I were to have used a religion moral value set in raising the daughter, neither Islam or christianity would not be high on the list.

          • Vicki

            “Those who see the facts and need not rely on fable tales for their belief system believe that.”

            What facts would those be HFlashman? Even cosmologists who believe in the big bang THEORY understand that it is JUST a theory and will (if they are honest) freely admit that they don’t know what happened BEFORE.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

            (I know not everyone likes the use of wikipedia.org for a cite :) )

          • Robert Smith

            And you want us to PRESUME that it was your invisible god, huh Vicky?

            Rob

      • JimH

        Flash, If you were truely tolerant, you would tolerate our so called intolerance. MERRY CHRISMAS to you.

        • HFlashman

          Jim…i do. To me, it’s a time of celebration and reflection. I hold no grudge or ill will as to why a person celebrates the holiday season. Just don’t make a crusade and insist on ownership.

          Happy Holidays, Merry XMas, Festive Festivus, and Quality Kwanzaa to all !

        • Bob Wire

          Tolerance to your intolerance , LOL good one.

          The pursuit of purity !

          Okay Jimbo, I get it! You are expecting notions of purity while offering none.

          Or would you like to expand on that? The rascal is coming out in me this morning.

          • JimH

            Bob, I see the rasal got the joke. Have a Merry Christmas.

      • marvin

        hflashman
        clueless you better pray that dude you so flippenly put down don,t say go i never knew you,as for this being a christan nation ,look at the frist few lines of the constitution of the united states and all 51 sorry 50 states see how they start,and their is a big differance in having tolarance and being STUPED

      • libertytrain

        I believe you described the current “political correctness” not tolerance.

      • DaveH

        So comical. Robert Smith, and Flashdunce talk about “tolerance” while they are trying (through Big Government) to ram their particular lifestyles down the rest of our collective throats.
        There is nothing “tolerant” about Liberals. They are Forcers and Thieves. That is all.

        • eddie47d

          I can think of a lot of Conservative thieves ol’ Dave H. Still playing your demonizing games about others when you have already cracked the mirror. Have a Happy New Year my atheist friend and start the new year in a better mood.

          • DaveH

            I doubt, Eddie, that you know any thieves amongst true Conservatives. You might know some amongst the Right-Wingers who have falsely labeled themselves as Conservatives.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, well said and spot on. I see you still have that fruit fly buzzing around you too. Just a good thing there’s no real challenge to swatting them away.

          • DaveH

            I understand where Eddie is coming from Jeff. He must assuage his guilt for all the years that he spent as a Union member extorting Companies and demonizing Replacement Workers.

          • eddie47d

            Oh wise and knowledgeable one I am now at your service. Anything else your Highness?

      • Arizona Patriot

        New Flash for the hFlashman,

        It would be really helpful to you if you did a little research on the history of this great country. We ARE a judeo Chirstian country founded on judeo Christian values. The founding fathers actually prayed for Divine guidance in the governance of this country. George Washington is spinning in his grave as he sees what a total mess the idiot progressives have made of this country. We need to impeach Osama and his band of socialist czars!
        Merry Christmas to all!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Arizona,

          And when they prayed they began the most important statement in the Constitution “We the PEOPLE.”

          Not us christians or anything like that. MOF the time religion was mentioned it was specific that there shall be no state religion.

          Quit lying about our forefathers.

          Rob

          • JimH

            Rob, They said there will be no STATE religion, not that there will be NO religion. Now maybe you can get it right.

          • Robert Smith

            What part of “We the PEOPLE…” don’t you understand?

            BTW, I’m very glad your god isn’t strong enough to take over everything. You haven’t thrown any inquisitions or crusades lately, even though Bush did say it.

            Rob

          • JimH

            Rob,Since none of the Crusades or inqusitions happened here what is you point? The crusades were to retake land stolen by Muslims,anyway so why are they wrong? WE the People include believers too. What part of WE THE People don’t YOU get? And what does Bush have to do with it? Your going off the deep end, guy.

      • mikael

        HFlashman, Have you washed your mouth and brushed your teeth this morning?Or may be this is your intolerant nature of hate and biggotry toward anything Christian.Respect others to deserve their respect.May our lord and saviour fill your heart with true peace and let his light shine on you and open your eyes to the truth,becauce the truth will set you free.MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST AND TO YOU fLASHMAN HAPPY HOLIDAY.

      • oldtimeyman

        “hflashman says:
        December 23, 2010 at 7:59 am
        “Look…it’s very simple. It’s called tolerance. Get some. the stammering by the NPR reporter is understandable. Religion cannot and should not be invasive in government. Just as you may be offended if an office holds a Ramadan party, or a Krishna party, or a Wicca party, how difficult is it to understand there are many who are offended and concerned abut any governmetal appearance of approving christianity as an acceptable religion above all others?

        “And it’s a continuous amazement how “christians’ claim there’s some ‘war’ on XMas as they have thier XMas trees (pagan), entertain their children with tales of Santa (pagan), talk about the birth of some dude in the ME some 2000 odd years ago (shown to be inaccurate as to date…b a full season or so), and who can’t give more than a very superficial overview of the religion without having to comment on the various sects and differing beliefs within the religion?

        “Jeesh. it’s Winter Holidays…time to celebrate the season and end of our calendar year and beginning of a new one.

        “So quit complaining about some hyped up false ‘war’ on your frippin’ religion, be glad that we have a government which observes with strict nuetrality religions of all nature, and celebrate your holiday deriving from whatever source.
        Happy Holidays !”

        Hey hflashman,

        First, READ the 1st Amendment as it pertains to religion: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …

        Holding a Christmas party is NOT establishing a religion. And don’t spout off about a judicial diktat about “separation of church and state.” It’s nowhere in the Constitution and certainly not in the 1st Amendment.

        Do you want to hold a Ramadan party, or a Krisha party, or a Wiccan party, or a Kwaanza party – knock yourself out. I won’t attend but I also won’t try to stop you so you secular humanists and atheists should stop trying to stop me from enjoying my relaxation. That’s also part of the 1st Amendment should you ever care to read it that says – “… or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” In other words, you continue to worship whatever god or demon you want to worship, just STOP telling me I can’t worship the One True God and His Son, Jesus Christ in whatever manner I choose. If you do, you are infringing on my 1st Amendment RIGHTS.

        You’re right about one thing though. It is the “winter holidays,” as long as you remember that the root of the word “holiday” is “Holy Day.” So you go ahead and celebrate the beginning of winter – I’ll celebrate (even though it probably isn’t His actual birth date) the birth of Jesus Christ. You go ahead and celebrate the beginning of a new calendar year. I’ll welcome the mythological Santa Claus into my home since he is only a representation of the Biblical injunction that it is more blessed to give than to receive AND still find room to celebrate the new year.

        Oh, and one more thing. Our nation wasn’t founded with religious “neutrality” in mind. We were founded as a Christian nation. With all the faults and flaws of we Christians, at least most of us are trying to emulate Jesus Christ.

        Merry Christmas!!

      • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

        Thank you, Flashman! And happy Holidays to you, too. Oh, by the way, the word “Holiday” is a contraction of the two words Holy Day. So keep the good cheer flowing.

      • old white guy

        half-ss, so npr is government. they like to say they are not. get over it mate. Christ will still be around after all those who don’t believe in him are dead and gone. that would include all muslims , hindus, athiests etc. it is unfortunate we have such a lack of tolerance for christ. by the way there is no separation of church and state in the constitution. so have a Merry Christmas in spite of yourself.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey White Guy!, you say: “Christ will still be around after all those who don’t believe in him are dead and gone.”

          Show him to us, or get him to show himself. I know I’m here along with many others, but without a real sighting it appars that flying saucers are more real than your god.

          Please quit bugging the rest of us with your invisible god. I’m not interested in getting your ticket to your imaginary heaven at out expense. That is stealing from us.

          Rob

    • Vic Bailey

      98% of the buttheads that are raising cain about Christmas aren’t happy unless thay are making someone miserable, so I don’t have to pay them any attention for their stupidity. They have forgottn that in the real world, Live and Let Live, unlsee it harms someone’s life. Nobody is alike to where we are ALL going to think alike, so to all you morons that hate CHRISTMAS, DEAL WITH IT, like we try to deal with you and your idiot thoughts, you are in the minority. So I say you all have a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
      Semper Fi.

      • Karolyn

        Nobody can make anyone else miserable. It is in how others’ actions and words are processed on the receiving end. People don’t go around trying to make other people miserable. It may appear that way, but they’re not doing it to you; they’re just doing it.

        • marvin

          Karolyn
          you an,t been deported yeat

        • Bruce D.

          Karolyn I think you live in your own little world in a rural area. Try going into liberal cities and live for a while and you might see what liberal ideology has done to destroy people’s values and work ethic. You might want to check out the murder statistics in those cities. No spin on those statistic like you suggest on others.

          • Karolyn

            Bruce – I lived in NJ most of my life within a one hour’s drive from NYC, so don’t tell me about liberal areas. Actually, the murder rate/violent crime rate in NYC is way less than Charlotte, NC which is in the Bible Belt.

          • Bruce D.

            I could not find the actual murder rate for Charolette but Camden, NJ is number 2 in the country.

            #1 Most Dangerous City- New Orleans, Louisiana
            Although a very popular tourist destination, New Orleans is the most dangerous city in the entire United States. It is ranked as number 1 in terms of murders, 2 in terms of burglary. It also ranks in the top 20 of auto theft and assault.

            #2 Most Dangerous City- Camden, New Jersey
            New Jersey claims the second most dangerous city. Camden is ranked as number 1 in terms of robbery and holds rankings in the top 15 for murder, auto theft, rape, and assault.

            #3 Most Dangerous City- Detroit, Michigan
            Michigan is another state that has some of the safest cities in the United States, but Detroit is widely known for being dangerous. Detroit is ranked as number 2 in terms of both assault and auto theft. It is also in the top 15 for assault, murder, and robbery.

            #4 Most Dangerous City- St. Louis, Missouri
            St. Louis is another very popular city in terms of tourism, but it can a very dangerous place. It ranks as number 3 in terms of assault, 4 in robbery, 5 in auto theft, and 8 in murder.

            #5 Most Dangerous City- Oakland, California
            Oakland, California definitely has a reputation for being a dangerous city, and with good reason. It is ranked as number 1 in terms of auto theft. It also is ranked number 3 in robbery and number 14 in both assault and murder.

          • Karolyn

            Bruce – On some lists Camden is #1. If you knew anything about Camden, you would know why that is. It is the home of Campbell’s Soup, which is the only business that has stuck it out. Camden was taken over by the state due to corruption.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – another perfect example of how liberal government corrupts, and then takes over. It’s all part of the same plan.

            You will also notice that all these dangerous cities are bastions of liberalism. Solidly Leftist.

            Sorry, but liberals corrupt everything they touch. Having lived in CA my entire life, I’ve watched it happen.

        • crystals10

          Karolyn:

          Does your logic come from a cracker jack box prize? I don’t mean to be rude, but I think your a little off your rocker.

          • Karolyn

            Try opening your mind a little.

    • smithington

      THE GREATEST GIFT

      Greetings to you this special time of the year,
      When we are reminded of the Saviour brought near.
      That glorious time two thousand years ago,
      That Jesus came, so that we may know,
      Through the virgin birth of the precious God-child,
      The offer has come to be reconciled.
      God came to this earth as a man you see,
      To pay for our sin and His gift is free.
      Receive it by faith for what he has done,
      He died on the cross, for all, not just some.
      With obedience and love He accepted His lot,
      He rose from the grave which proves He is God.
      He ascended to Heaven by His father’s love,
      His work now complete and approved from above.
      Admit we are sinners from birth, which is true,
      And none have done right in His sight, this means you.
      I turn towards You Lord and turn from my sin,
      Please help me to live the life You want me to live.
      Ask Christ to be your Saviour, God and Lord too,
      A home in Heaven He has prepared for you.
      When you sing the songs of Joy, Peace and Love,
      Recall the Greatest Gift from our God above.
      So as we live out our lives each passing new day,
      Always seeking to share this Good News and say:
      Praise be to God for His Grace, Mercy and Love,
      Until He returns, thanking Him for what He has done.
      He didn’t have to do what He did you see,
      But I thank God for saving…a sinner like me.

      Jesus was born to die…WHY?

      Written by an inmate who spent 11 years in prison, and survived ONLY by the grace of God.
      Merry CHRISTmas to all, even the haters. Jesus died for you too, even if you reject Him right now.
      There is still time for you to accept THE GREATEST GIFT!

    • James

      Mike, After ‘Merry Christmas’ you said ‘whether they believe it or not.’ I was curious what you meant by ‘believe it.’

      • http://none Mike

        James, Simply stateing that I would wish anyone a merry christmas. Its up to them to belive that Jesus was the reason for the season. Its not my choice to force my beliefs on anyone. But it is my right(still I think) to give someone my opinion and why I believe. Just as it is their right to believe or disbelieve what I say. I think we have yaken politicle correctness to its extreams in this country now. And it is destroying our first amendment rights. Mike L.

        • Al Sieber

          Mike,don’t worry about Political correctness, it is a sort of censorship anyways, you wouldn’t want to hurt anyones feelings would you? that’s what they would want you to believe,just keep speaking your mind.

          • http://none Mike

            Al,Dont worry about me becomming pc. Look at my post near the bottem of this string. :) I just point out facts as I see them the pc crowd is slowly destroying the first amendment with certin words being banned. My skin is pretty thick too. :) Mike L.

        • James

          Mike, I’m a Bible thumpin’ believer that Jesus is indeed the Christ, that is, the Messiah that was to come. I also believe that most Christians who celebrate Christmas honestly think they are keeping a Christian Holiday. However, the pagan celebration of the return of the sun, at the Winter Solstice, was being celebrated for many centuries before Christ was born. Attaching Christian songs and sayings to it and decorating trees doesn’t make it a Christian Holiday. There is no biblical instruction to celebrate Christ’s birthday and there is no indication, in the first 300 years of the Christian era, that early Christians ever did celebrate it.
          Now having said that, I would add that most Christmas celebraters will simply continue that longstanding tradition.

          • http://none Mike

            James, Its ok I understand where you are comming from now. I have a feeling we arent so far apart on that. I recently started to attend a church where the pastor actually teaches from the bible and he pretty much opend my eyes to the fact that christmas the date was not actually when Jesus was born. But as I said it was the date chosen to celibrate it. So I will continue to say Merry Christmas this time of year. As I said whether they belive it or not. Mike L. P.S Think Councile of Nicea.

          • James

            Mike, Adam Rutherford’s “Bible Chronology” fixes Christ’s birth at September 29, 2 BC (which was the Feast of Trumpets, the beginning of the Hebrew New Year) and Mary’s conception at December 23, 3 BC (which was the Winter Solstice) an exact 280-day period. The Council of Nicea, I believe, proposed a special mass to attract pagans to the faith, which is where the term ‘Christmas’ came from. The decorating of a tree (an ancient pagan ritual) was added later, as was Old Saint Nicholas and his reindeer, and finally a babe in a manger, which gradually became Christ’s birthday.

      • JeffH

        James, I find it a bit naive(?) that you could’nt figure that out.

        In recent years parts of society has claimed saying Merry Christmas is politically incorrect. Move over happy holidays because Merry Christmas is back.

        The “Global Language Monitor” has discovered that contrary to North American media pushing Christmas to the side for a more politically correct term, Merry Christmas is used over 600% more than holiday season in the global media.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Jeffh, We wish you a Merry Christmas_We wish you a Merry Christmas, We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New YeaRRRRRRRR!__Lol

          • JeffH

            The only blind person at Christmastime is he who has not Christmas in his heart.
            Helen Keller

            …and a very MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your family Amgel Wannabe and a HAPPYYYYY NEW YEAR!

        • James

          JeffH, I’m aware that ‘Happy Holidays’ has replaced ‘Merry Christmas,’ I was probing for a deeper meaning of ‘believe it.’

    • Sheldon

      So, they don’t believe in God; well, I don’t believe in vampires or Frankenstein. Does that stop me from appreciating a Bela Lugosi or Boris Karloff movie? Or Halloween? How about a holiday where we all buy pocket Bibles and send them to MZZZ Totenberg?

      • Robert Smith

        How’s ’bout not…

        It was a sarchastic slam against the government politicaly correct. Sadly it wasn’t recognized as such by so many of you because Rush and his marching Greek Chorus were too willing to slam another rather than take the time to learn what actually went on.

        Yup, if Rush and his ilk want you to have an opinion you eagerly slop it up. How sad.

        Rob

  • Jeremy Leochner

    Mr Crystal: I agreed with you on the stupidity of making the saying of christmas be something to apologize for. Where you lost me was when you began writing things that seemed to suggest liberals and democrats were somehow less christian or less cheerful or less into christmas then whatever im assuming the opposite of liberals are. By your own statment christmas is a time of love and acceptance. Please dont feed the extremist arguments by adopting one yourself. There are extremists on both sides who want to have christmas either be all about christanity or who focus less on religion and more on commericalism. Both are extremists and both are found on left and right, republican and democrat, liberal or conservative. But there are far more good people on both sides of the political isle who treat christmas as a day of loving, giving, family and home. They are good people and it dosent matter political or party ideology. So please know that many on both sides of the isle are good christmas loving people and please dont denounce someone elses extremist argument while simultaniously putting one out yourself.

    • Bruce D.

      The surveys show that most who attend church regularly vote conservative. ALSO it is difficult to miss that the left is attacking Christianity. It is difficult for me to believe that you do not see that.

      • Karolyn

        Survey Shows………….!!! You can’t trust stats! Do you have links to any of these surveys so they can be checked out as to accuracy, who was surveyed, who did the surveying, how many people were surveyed, etc?

        • Bruce D.

          Yar Karolyn as if you do not see what is going on with your oneness religion and liberal bent. You and the left like to hide behind your rhetoric. Can’t you be at least a little bit honest and admit that the left has an all out attack on Christianity because most who are strong in their faith vote Republican. You are not being honest. Who do you think elected Bush in 2000 and 2004 and failed to go to the polls for McCain in 2008. One thing you are not going to be able to do is mock Christians out of who they are and what their beliefs are.

          • Karolyn

            I’m not mocking anyone.

        • independant thinker

          But Karolyn, in previous discussions you have quoted surveys.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Yes, but that was when the surveys suited her purpose.

          • independant thinker

            Yeah, I know that gunner but she has selictive memory.

          • Karolyn

            Actually, I rarely do that.

      • DaveH

        Do not confuse Right-Wingers with Conservatives, Bruce. True Conservatives believe in the tolerance for Freedom that our Founders embraced. Right-Wingers disdain Freedom almost as much as do the Left-Wingers.
        When right-wingers respect a person’s right to control their own bodies and property, then you can call yourselves Conservative.

        • Bruce D.

          DaveH, do not confuse conservatives with left wing ideology that believe murder is a right enacted out of convenience.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            I forget; which side condones the murder of innocent unborn children ?

        • Robert Smith

          Except if one’s choice of a recrreational drug is something other than the christian drug of choice (or that there christian ritualistic of canabalism by drinking the blood of their savior).

          And if a Rostifarian wants his drug of choice it is illegal.

          Or if an American Indian wants their pyote.

          Of if a woman doesn’t want her body to be used against her will by another.

          Or if one wants to end their own life when they want to.

          The notion of “freedom” coming from a conservative is a lie when they want to talk about it.

          Rob

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem with surveys Bruce is that this is a subject of religon and political leanings. The argument I made was that the author appeared to be suggesting that conservatives were somehow more christian then liberals. While I dont deny church goers tend to be conservative I still dont think that translates to conservatives being more christian. And as for left attacking christians if you would please give a few examples I would agree with you. Because bear in mind when you say that the left is attacking christanity you ultimatly are generalizing about everyone who are on the left or whos political feelings are left leaning. I am on the left and while I am not a christian I dont attack christians for their beliefs, I disagree with then but I dont question their integrity or criticize them simply for being christian.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Jeremy__Example__Illuminati= Progressive, Socialists, Communists, atheists or Luciferian Worshippers__leftists!__

          Liberation Theology and the Religious Left___http://www.cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt6.html

          • Angel Wannabe

            Liberation theology & the religious Left

            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=299

          • crystals10

            Angel:

            Thank you, you are hot on that trail! That should keep Jeremy busy for awhile. If in fact he actually researches this truth for himself. It’s there for All to see. Merry Christmas

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Angel wannabe: Progressives, Socialists, luciferian worshipers, Communists and Illuminati are an emense grool of many different beliefs and ideologies. Your equating them to being the same. They are different. Socialists and Communists believe in entirly different things. Communists want government to control all forms and matters and for workers to have all control. Socialists want to have some government regulation to ensure a peaceful coexsistance between workers and factory and buisness owners and to make sure no takes advantage of anyone else. Luciferian worshippers is a ideology on a completly different plan. I am a social democrat and a liberal. I dont even believe in lucifer much less worship him. And I know numerous progressives and socialists who think the same on that matter. Finally the illuminati is a secret society. I have heard numerous theories about them but I dont put much stoke in them. In a republic of free people the people hold the power, not secret groups. I believe those groups you have mentioned are different and diverse, not general and same as it appears you think they are. I mean no disrespect. I just dont want you to believe all people or political ideologies on the left are the same or related to religous worshipping of the devil as it appears you do.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy_ I’m not on board with anyone or any party’s intention on playing God!__I know the differences in name. Progressives, leftists, socialists,Fabian Socialists,Marxism, liberal theology & commies to me are one in the same, there is plenty more under different titles__We can debate ALL Day long the differences in each, but to me they ALL spell NWO hell bent on taking a peaceful society and pulling the top down, pushing from the bottom up, and tearing it inside out! If its true what you say, that your a liberal with heart, I’d do some soul searching, and try to find out, why I call myself a liberal?

      • Robert Smith

        Bruce says: “ALSO it is difficult to miss that the left is attacking Christianity. It is difficult for me to believe that you do not see that.”

        Really? The left is attackig, huh?

        How’s ’bout all those on this forum who want to see gays die in combat?

        How’s ’bout all those threats that those who don’t goose step to the christian drum will burn for eternity?

        How’s ’bout all those who are in jail because they don’t subscribe to the christian drug of choice, even though it’s less harmful than cigs or alcohol?

        How’s ’bout all those who would be denied a death with some dignity, but for all those christians who object?

        How’s ’bout all those who are in love but can’t form a marriage because the christians think it ucky?

        What have those who aren’t christians done to be denied such by the christians?

        Seems to me that their “sin” is just that, a sin that some (not all) self appointed christians don’t like.

        Mind your own business and there will be no difficulty. IOW, keep your nose out of my life. If you consider a demand that you NOT be an influence upon my private life is NOT an attack but self defense.

        Rob

    • Karolyn

      BRAVO AND MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    • eddie47d

      Good response Jeremy. Bruce;Most liberals don’t attack the Christmas season per say or even Christ.(There are those who say Christ is a fairy tale,so there are exceptions). Those who aren’t Christian think that the followers of Jesus don’t practice what they preach. That they act superior to non-believers and show little of the tolerance that Jesus taught. I think that some liberals overplay the silliness of their argument but I also believe that some Christians are just plain obnoxious in words and deeds. We should all live the best lives we can and accept some of our differences. Now that hasn’t happened in 5,000 years but it’s worth wishing and praying for. Merry Christmas

      • Bruce D.

        You are mocking Christians in your post right now Eddie47d so stop trying to pretend you are taking the high road in some fair and honest way.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        Don’t talk about Tolerance when you advocate for a political party that is anything but Tolerant. Implied in the word Tolerance is the lack of force. Yet, the Liberals want to force anything and everything they believe in on the rest of us. Liberals are far away from Tolerant.

      • http://none Mike

        Eddie, Seems like sometimes we are all so suspicious of others that we try to read it into every thing they say. Merry Christmas to you as well.

        • eddie47d

          Thanks Mike and have a Blessed Christmas yourself.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The fact that liberls, socialists, and leftists are still walking around breathing God’s good air proves that Conservatives are tolerant.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Boy gunner you said it!

          • eddie47d

            Gee,how kind of you to “save my life”.I wouldn’t know what to do without you.

        • kate8

          guuner – That is so true.

          Because we believe everyon, including liberals, should be allowed to think as they choose, we’ve gone along with our lives not worrying about them. But as any intolerant group, when they gain enough numbers and power, they try to remake everything and everyone in their own godless image.

          They talk a good line about tolerance, but they have zero tolerance for anything Christian. They only way they know to elevate one group is to denigrate another. And the very idea that there is a Higher Power than government to answer to drives them crazy.

          • Bruce D.

            You have a good though process Kate8. You make your points well.

          • kate8

            Thanks, Bruce D. I also very much enjoy your posts.

            Merry Christmas!

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I mean no disrespect Mr Crystal.
    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

    • R

      You are missing the point Sir. There is a deliberate attempt by those who oppose Christians to rid our society of any celebrations of it. Why? because of the moral laws that are reflected by christianity…Let’s get real…you don’t agree with them. But somehow people pretend in the middle as if the two extremes are making a big deal about it. I have found that the most dangerous people are those i the middle because they want you to dummy down to your senses. Let’s everyone look like robots. Act the same, talk the same and think the same.

      • Karolyn

        I believe you are wrong! Sure there are changes. Society is evolving. However, I do not believe that everybody is “OUT TO GET” Christians. Paranoia is running rampant. There are too many of you to allow for everything Christian to be totally blotted out.

        • American Citizen

          Try telling that to the ACLU.

        • Bruce D.

          It is time you take your Pollyanna glasses of Karolyn. Society is not evolving. It has been devolving sense the 60s when the attack on religion and Christianity began.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Evolving or degenerating ?

        • kate8

          I would say, rather, that society is DEvolving.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        R: I dont want anyone to dummy down. I want to try and be reasonable and listen to both sides. For instance I think its tradition and appropriate to put up a nativity scene to honor the symbol of the first christmas. But I also acknowledge that christmas has numerous traditions that are pagan in origin and see nothing wrong with that. I am an agnostic and do not believe in christianity as a religion. But I belive the bible is a story, but like all stories it offers morals and good lessons on giving, humility, tolerance and service that I think are essential qualities for a decent person and a decent sosciety. I think common ground can be found in the middle and in the spirit of a season of kindness and giving whats say we try and find it. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a Happy New Year.

  • Angel Wannabe

    I’m not sure when it became “cool” not to associate Christ with Christmas!_When I was a kid (born in the 50′s) we all believed in the same God. Although we were of different denominations the words “Merry Christmas” rolled off our tongues like “Please” or “Thank You” would. It doesn’t make much difference to me if you believe in Christ or not, and I don’t ask permission before I say it either. When I say Merry Christmas, accept it as a sign of Goodwill, and not a threat to your way of thinking.
    The War on Christmas was devised by atheists/agnostics in attempts to create an even plane and make everyone the same. Well_ were not, and never will be!_The PC crowd has infiltrated very aspect of our lives. I atone it to a bunch of nosey people who have nothing better to do with they’re time, than mind everyone else’s business, but they’re own. We have freedom “OF” religion not from it, I exercise my right to do so, and it’s not always within the confines of the church either. Our Judeo Christian Heritage, along with the Founders created the Constitution. (Naysayers don’t bother posting rebuttals about deists or other dribble, it won’t work with me!)
    __And along those same lines_I just saw a great segment on Fox News, (yes I said the dreaded Fox news) That two women went on an endeaver to put “Christ back in Christmas”. They raised money, to purchase bill boards, that are Red in color over all, and simply state “I Miss You Saying Merry Christmas_Signed Jesus”. In a world, where we try to get along with our neighbors, its important that we, not abandon our own beliefs and traditions as well.__So In the spirit of Bright Good Will, I wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Hope filled New Year!
    “Christ”_is Christmas!

    • Greyhawk

      Ditto–I agree with you one hundred percent one and all who remember that We are A Christian Nation, and for that reason, that is why we are still the Best Place in the World to Live, and that is why tens of millions continue to come here legally and illegally. It is time to return to Law and Order in this country and to Return To Our Christian and Constitutional Underpinnings. We now have tens of millions of Illegals in this country who are Supported by the Likes of Nina Totenberg while these Same Millions of Illegals further Ignore Our Laws, Traditions, Values, Language, Traditions, Customs, and Beliefs. Merry Christmas to One and All and May God Bless You and May God Bless America.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Merry Christmas to you as well Greyhawk!_It’s time for us to stop taking a back seat!

      • hflashman

        Happy Holdays Greyhawk !

        Psst…we’re not a “Christian Nation” … never have been :)

        • Teresa

          and Merry Christmas to you too flash…I truly do mean it! God bless you and your family and keep you safe.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Flashpan__I gotta laugh at you Libs__you lie, in the hopes no one will, check to see if your right!_-most of us on this site are Historians, not nessarily by trade but by hobby. Check the Federalist papers,the original Constitution, and Oh BTW, in the 1800′s members of Congress were given hand held Bibles when they took office :)__Check out the book The Lives of the Signers a reprint of 1948 original!__Look it up, you’ll be quite surprised to find that your way of thinking is wrong!__Merry Christmas!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            AWB_typo_ it should have read 1848 reprint!

          • Bruce D.

            Angel that is something they will never read because they do not want to know about it.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bruce D, It’s a shame the 50 and beyond crowd has to hold the torch for truth, we’re the only ones left that haven’t either been force fed or swallowed “Revisionism”. They can say what ever they want, there is a lot of us left who know the truth!___ and BTW, Merry Christmas to You and Yours! :)

          • Bruce D.

            Angel we come from the 60s era where many activists sprang up. The liberal activists went on to bring their Marxist ideology to America. Most on the right went on to raise families, work, and mind our own business. The country has suffered from allowing them to take over and right now we are the only ones left to wake the rest of the country up. The youth will and is beginning to follow as we focus on American values. Marxism and progressive ideology is degrading to the human spirit and we are witnessing the effects of that now.

          • kate8

            Angel W – Here is a great little article about how America and Christ are linked. America is the only nation ever to be founded on His principles and Laws, and our forefathers would weep at what we’ve become.

            http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin629.htm

            Enough to make a liberal howl.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Kate8, That surely will make the liberals howl!!!__Thanks for the link_ and Merry Christmas!! :)

          • kate8

            Merry Christmas, Angel W!

            And Merry Christmas to all!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Kate8, and to you and yours as well, a very Merry Christmas! :)

        • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

          Obama brain washing

        • Bob Wire

          “Psst…we’re not a “Christian Nation” … never have been”

          Well, it’s true we are one of the few nations that has no national religion. Which by it’s very nature gives every citizen freedom to worship as they so choice. That’s the up side to “NO LAW”

          It’s also true,America the Nation was founded on Christian principals and in part by Christians and beneath any social/government veneer Christianity is still bedrock today, for the better or worst of it.

          The separation of Church and State requires constant pruning, as each attempt to grow together, as their job is seen as common with the “guidance” of the masses. The Chief and the Witch Doctor thang!

          One worrying with you a$$ and the other your soul and they both want you money and support.

          We were born into this ! and it started long ago.

          • HFlashman

            Actually…if you knew history, you would know the one item the Founding fathers were certain of is that religion has no place in government and should be a rpivate excercise of belief. They lived when the memories of the relgious terros were perpetrated on English society, and they knew the reasons the Puritans came here to settle.

            That is why although some were practicing, and some were merely playing the game for appearances..all were adament religion was not to be any part of our governmental framework. And no religion was to be pushed on society as the ‘true’ or ‘correct’ religion.

            As to being subjected to harrassment and attack etc…I guess what is written on this board about Muslims etc doesn’t count. Yet…if a smidgeon of that hate espoused towards Islam on this board is mouthed about your precious religion…you scream bloody murder.

            Think about that.

        • libertytrain

          Now flashman created a new holiday – the Holday – what purpose does your holiday serve? Holding what? Does it have something to do with the Attorney General?

          • HFlashman

            Don’t know how long you’ve been frozen in time Liberty..but it’s always been the Holiday eason. Winter holidays…coincidentally XMas, Channukah etc occur during these holiday period.

            This time of year was always a holiday season well before christianity…

          • libertytrain

            flashman don’t know how long you been ignoring what you write or SPELL…..I’m well aware of the history. “Happy Holday Eason” your words – your spellings, not mine.

        • James

          Hflashman, I would have said “We are no longer a Christian nation.”

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Yeah right, we’ve always been Buddists.

          • James

            Gunner689, I was referring to the Christianity that’s being preached as opposed to ‘what saith the Lord.’ Christianity now focuses on Salvation and escape rather than political action.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Great post Greyhawk! I agree. We were founded on Christian beliefs, no matter who tries to tell us differently. The United States has been blessed, but we are moving in a direction that is not of God. We need to take this Christmas to truly reflect on our relationship with our creator. Only He can save us….
        Merry Christmas to all!

      • Karolyn

        Greyhawk – Our largest segment of illegals, Hispanics, are on the whole very religious people who espouse many of the same traditions we have when it comes to God.

        • James

          Karolyn, But they are still criminals.

          • BobbyB

            As are a lot of our “Elected officials” that claim to be Christians. You can not call yourself a Christian and not follow the teachings of Christ. This is where the big problem lies. Throughout history, Christians have a great deal of blood on their hands. If you look back to the Crusades, the Dark Ages, The Inquisition, etc, a lot of stuff went on that doesn’t actually coincide with the tenants of Christianity.

            Most of the Italian mob are “Christians”, just like the illegals. Sometimes it seems to me that someone calls themselves a Christian in order to square all the horrible stuff they do with themselves.

          • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

            James,

            Wrong,

            Definition of a criminal.

            ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
            Noun 1. criminal – someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of a crime
            crook, felon, malefactor, outlaw
            accessary, accessory – someone who helps another person commit a crime
            arsonist, firebug, incendiary – a criminal who illegally sets fire to property
            blackmailer, extortioner, extortionist – a criminal who extorts money from someone by threatening to expose embarrassing information about them
            bootlegger, moonshiner – someone who makes or sells illegal liquor
            briber, suborner – someone who pays (or otherwise incites) you to commit a wrongful act
            coconspirator, conspirator, machinator, plotter – a member of a conspiracy
            desperado, desperate criminal – a bold outlaw (especially on the American frontier)
            fugitive from justice, fugitive – someone who is sought by law officers; someone trying to elude justice
            gangster, mobster – a criminal who is a member of gang
            highbinder – a corrupt politician
            highjacker, hijacker – someone who uses force to take over a vehicle (especially an airplane) in order to reach an alternative destination
            hood, hoodlum, punk, strong-armer, thug, toughie, goon, tough – an aggressive and violent young criminal
            gaolbird, jail bird, jailbird – a criminal who has been jailed repeatedly
            abductor, kidnaper, kidnapper, snatcher – someone who unlawfully seizes and detains a victim (usually for ransom)
            mafioso – a member of the Mafia crime syndicate in the United States
            gangster’s moll, gun moll, moll – the girlfriend of a gangster
            liquidator, manslayer, murderer – a criminal who commits homicide (who performs the unlawful premeditated killing of another human being)
            principal – (criminal law) any person involved in a criminal offense, regardless of whether the person profits from such involvement
            parolee, probationer – someone released on probation or on parole
            drug dealer, drug peddler, drug trafficker, peddler, pusher – an unlicensed dealer in illegal drugs
            racketeer – someone who commits crimes for profit (especially one who obtains money by fraud or extortion)
            raper, rapist – someone who forces another to have sexual intercourse
            habitual criminal, recidivist, repeater – someone who is repeatedly arrested for criminal behavior (especially for the same criminal behavior)
            scofflaw – one who habitually ignores the law and does not answer court summonses
            contrabandist, moon curser, moon-curser, runner, smuggler – someone who imports or exports without paying duties
            stealer, thief – a criminal who takes property belonging to someone else with the intention of keeping it or selling it
            traitor, treasonist – someone who betrays his country by committing treason
            law offender, lawbreaker, violator – someone who violates the law
            Adj. 1. criminal – bringing or deserving severe rebuke or censure; “a criminal waste of talent”; “a deplorable act of violence”; “adultery is as reprehensible for a husband as for a wife”
            condemnable, reprehensible, vicious, deplorable
            wrong – contrary to conscience or morality or law; “it is wrong for the rich to take advantage of the poor”; “cheating is wrong”; “it is wrong to lie”
            2. criminal – guilty of crime or serious offense; “criminal in the sight of God and man”
            guilty – responsible for or chargeable with a reprehensible act; “guilty of murder”; “the guilty person”; “secret guilty deeds”
            3. criminal – involving or being or having the nature of a crime; “a criminal offense”; “criminal abuse”; “felonious intent”
            felonious
            illegal – prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules; “an illegal chess move”

            Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

            ——————————————————————————–

          • JeffH

            coal miner says james is wrong about illegals being criminals?

            Illegal Immigration is a Crime

            Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

            Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

            Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

            Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
            has committed a federal crime.

            Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

        • crystals10

          Karolyn:

          Your at it again! So what your saying is that it’s “OK” for them to enter illegally because they believe in God? Wrong. All the More reason for them to follow protocol to become Americans.

          • Karolyn

            I never said that. I was responding to a remark being made about all of our non-Christian aliens.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Christol,

            Kids who were brought up here in America by illegal parents are just as much Americans as the other kids in the schools they went to, yet the right is denying them even a path to citizenship.

            How crappy is that?

            Rob

      • eddie47d

        Greyhawk; Since most “illegals” come from Mexico and most Mexicans are Christians(Catholic)then you have that common bond. They also value hard work with strong family values. Many are willing to serve in our military to achieve citizenship and be productive Americans. They celebrate Christmas so they have the traditions and values that you seek. Yet as a Christian yourself you still reject and mock them. This is not about the criminals who bring drugs or violence into our nation because they are in a small minority and can be dealt with. Jesus would have turned away from that element also but he never would reject foreigners.

        • Bruce D.

          You seem to ignore Eddie47D that illegals are bankrupting the states along the southern borders and putting a big drain on other states such as Florida who wants to take action now.

        • JeffH

          “Since most “illegals” come from Mexico and most Mexicans are Christians(Catholic)then you have that common bond.”

          Still can’t understand what “illegal” means can you. A very slow teach and just volumes of contradictions.

          • eddie47d

            …and you are volumes of sordid puke so clean up that stench.

          • JeffH

            eddie, can’t think of anything more than what your dirty little potty mouth has to offer?

        • Bruce D.

          Eddie 47d says: “Jesus would have turned away from that element also but he never would reject foreigners.”
          It amazes me how non Christians claim to have this special insight into religion when it comes to promoting their Marxist ideology.

          • eddie47d

            Says in the Bible that Christians should welcome all strangers in their land and treat them like a brother. Then again you may hate your brother and see a different meaning.

          • Bruce D.

            Well Eddie I see you like to twist the Bible to your Marxist needs. Would you encourage others to break into your home? If you came home and found them still there would you offer them coffee and a donut or call the police.

          • Bruce D.

            Eddie before you reply to me that you are a good guy, not like those bad Christians, and that it would be okay with you if someone had illegal entrance into your home, I want you know I don’t believe it. As a liberal if you came home and saw someone in your house you did not knew you would crap in your pants.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Greyhawk, The Progressives are on a drive to rid the Country of Christianity, what a better way to dissolve and deaden the Constitution once and for all. If there is “no creator”__Our in alienable rights are gone too!__Then they can usher in the NWO__That’s the mindset we’re dealing with.

    • Robert Smith

      Angel says: ““Christ”_is Christmas!”

      Actually the christians hijacked the winter solstice as “their” holy day but in fact most civilizations had some sort of celebration when the days started to get longer.

      “christmas” is a stolen holiday just like many others.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Robert & flashpan__MERRY CHRISTMAS!_Think whatever you like, we know the truth!

      • JimH

        Rob, There was a time in Rome when Christians were sentenced to death. In December there was a Roman, pagan holiday. The Christians just chose to celibrate the birth of Christ at the same time, so when others saw them celebrating, they wouldn’t know if it was the pagan or Christian event they they were participating in. They didn’t purposly highjack or “steal” someone elses holiday. MERRY CHRISTMAS, Rob.

      • Angel Wannabe

        RS, “We Wish you a Harry Christmas and a Happy New Yearrrrrrr!!”
        Fa la la la la la la la la!__ :)

        • http://none Mike

          No Angel its wish you a Harry Kristner and a Dali Lama :)
          Merry Cristmas to you and yours as well. And its not all the over 50 crowd I am 42 and know others that are younger than me starting to carry this torch :) Mike L.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Mike_ Good for you!__our Kids and most of they’re friends, are on board too now__ they’re 28-30 year olds!__We need em to spread the news, not the lies!

        • JeffH

          Angel, you’re killing me with humor and I love it…LMAO!

      • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

        Yes I believe that and again this new administration will steal it and shove it in the trash with Islam on top.

      • libertytrain

        Robert Smith – a date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ, who cares that it fit in with the winter solstice.

        • eddie47d

          Jim H. It was the Caesar (Thaddius?) at that time who thought that the Christians could be useful and wanted to appease them by combining their pagan holiday with Christian beliefs. December 25th was chosen by a pagan leader as Christ’s birth. Most historians feel that Christ was born a few months earlier in the fall.

          • Bruce D.

            Get a life Eddie. You would be better served studying the history of this country rather than putting so much effort into discrediting the date of a birth. People who celebrate Christmas are not focused on the sun for a decent crop or whatever. What joy do you find in looking for reasons to mock Christians at Christmas time. As far as I am concerned you and the left are the party of the anti-Christ. Those Christians who cannot see that and vote democrat are not paying attention or do not care.

          • eddie47d

            Look it up Bruce it’s called history so I’m not mocking Christmas. Get a gripe on reality and learn something. I don’t think God wants us to hide behind the cloak of Christianity and ignore the facts. You seem to hide behind your anti-liberal punch lines a little too much.

          • http://none Mike

            Eddie, Once again you are right. When our pastor talks about Christmas he also says the time line is debateable. We can assume alot of things but you know that when we assume it =ass=u=me in other words it makes an a&& of you and me. But again its the chosen holiday to celebrate his birth and should be respected as such.

            My opinion is this Christmas has lost all its meaning in our modern times. Its become the season of consumeing. The retailers all know this thats why the decorations start hitting the shelves in October now. And there seems to be a new sale every week from then on out. This used to be celebrated as a season of giveing. Where most people tried to help out thoes less fortuenat than themselves. It still is by a very few of us out here.Mike L.

          • Angel Wannabe

            So eddie is there a point your trying to make and we’re missing it?

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, other than the point on his head…NO!

          • Bruce D.

            I agree with you on that Angel. Eddie seems to be wrapped up in the idea that people somehow worship the date of the 25th of December and it is somehow important to him.

          • libertytrain

            Amen – the day that was chosen is unimportant, the meaning we cherish of celebrating the Birth of Christ is to many of us.

          • eddie47d

            Search for the truth and you might find it. I’m still searching and will find even more with or without your insatiable mocking.

          • Bruce D.

            Just about all your posts I have read Eddie are based on left wing ideology. You should not delude yourself that you are looking for the truth.

          • JeffH

            I believe I’ve discovered what eddie and his ilks search for truth is based on in my post further below.

          • JeffH

            To hell with it, here’s the truth about your search for truth eddie.

            Why do Liberal Communists sympathizers demand respect? Beats the hell out of me. These people’s whole job is the unflinching pursuit of “TRUTH” no matter where it may lead, and we’re supposed to credit them for their “good will” when they parrot an abstract ideology while discreetly ignoring what happens every time it’s implemented?

            The amazing part is that if you switch the subject to America…it’s “poof” they can magically recite a laundry list of American trespasses -real and imagined- against humanity. All while enjoying the best standard of living imaginable in America. The stupid, it burns.

          • Bruce D.

            Wow! Good post JeffH. Progressives have little understanding of the dignity of the human spirit. That if you overwhelm people with pity it mocks them and degrades them to the point they lose sight of self respect and free will. Let’s give people a helping hand up but not mock and degrade them with pity into believing they cannot do for themselves.

      • James

        Robert S., I agree. There is no biblical requirement to celebrate Christ’s birthday and for the first 300, or so, years in the Christian era, no Christian did celebrate it. ‘Christmas’ refers to a special mass, which was held at that time by the Roman Church to attract pagans to Christianity. Nor is December 25 Christ’s birthday. There is no general agreement on His birthdate, but when the Wise Men asked “Where is he born…” to the shepherds, the sheep were still at pasture, and in that latitude the sheep were always put up into folds for the Winter, no later than October. So Christ’s birthday had to be before that. Adam Rutherford’s “Bible Chronology” fixes His birth at September 29, 2 BC, and Mary’s conception at the Winter Solstice on December 23, 3 BC. This agrees with all other biblical referrences to it.

    • Dave.

      This dichotomy between those believing in Christmas and those not believing in Christmas has come into stark relief basically since the antithesis of Islam has come to our shores in the form of fearing ‘political incorrectness’. Islam knows no CHRISTmas, they regard him as a lesser prophet than Muhammad, that Allah Akbar (Allah is greater)than Jesus Christ, and under their system, there is no ‘compromise, tolerance, live and let live, etc!! Allah has no mercy, grace, weighing the good against the bad, etc!! Those, believe it or not, are CHRISTIAN concepts -there is no “fairness”, sharing, etc. Search your Quran and you’ll find a compendium of ‘go along to get along’ until the tipping point; these points are being reached in England, France, Germany, and have already been met in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Google ‘Sharia Law” and see where this ‘intolerable’ system is embedding itself in the USA.
      Both the physical and philosophical worlds abhor a vacuum; we all have a ‘system of beliefs’ governing our lives and we,the tolerant are being confronted with the intolerant – whose side are you on??

      • Carlucci

        Oh really?? In the Quran, what does it say about who is coming back at the end of the world??? I’ll give you a hint…it’s not Mohamed.

      • Karolyn

        Muslims revere Jesus; and Allah is just another name for God. They also revere Mary. I started reading the Quran, and also an overview of it; and most of what I have gotten is that the most important edicts for followers to do is to be moral and help others. That is the bedrock of the Quran.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Allahhhh is the ole arab moon god . . . selected by moooohamed to be the one . . . no relationship to the God of Israel . . . . just a rock in madina . . .

        • kate8

          It’s true, Karolyn. Allah is not the God of Abraham. He was one of many tribal gods worshiped by the various nomadic tribes descended of Ishmael. Allah the moon god, was the god of the tribe from which Mohammed was born.

          When Ishmael and Hagar were sent from the camp of Abraham, God declared that his descendents would forever be a warring people, and a thorn in the side of all the Earth.

          If you’re considering conversion, you might want to consider that they are of the most INTOLOERANT of people.

          • kate8

            INTOLERANT.

    • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

      Hi Angel, I really enjoyed the truthfulness of this commentary. You were very articulates and allowing utopianism to come into place. We all wish that the world could become the perfect place, but there are some that will never agree. Merry Christmas and believe in the love of GOD. Al

      • Angel Wannabe

        Merry Christmas to you as Well AL Duhan! :)

    • American Citizen

      I received an e-mail about a child who held the M upside down during a Christmas pageant. The message then read, “Christ was”.

    • marvin

      Angel Wannabe
      well said ,amen, and to you that don,t belive amen is, [so be it]so merry christ day and a better new years

      • Angel Wannabe

        Merry Christmas to You too Marvin! :)

    • kate8

      The reason for the season!

  • Bill

    Merry Christmas! whether you like it or not.

  • Pete K

    Merry Christmas…Merry Christmas…Merry Christmas…Oh yeah…Have a Happy New Year too! Happy Birthday Jesus!

    • James

      Pete, I agree with your sentiment, but December 25th is the ancient celebration of the Winter Solstice, which signaled the return of the sun (longer days). It was celebrated many centuries before Christ’s birth – long before Christianity existed. They also decorated trees.

      • kate8

        James, Let’s not forget that God created the seasons and the cycles, and , in fact, the Jewish people placed importance on them. The fact that Pagans also understood their importance in no way means that God discounts them. Why would he?

        It was the Roman church that altered the calendar so that we would lose our understanding of God’s perfect order, thereby diminishing our natural inheritance of power and prophecy. I believe this was deliberate in order to better control us and keep us weak.

        From the smallest particle to the vast Universe, all things operate in cycles of God’s perfect order. He would want for us to understand them.

        • James

          Kate8, I wasn’t talking about ‘seasons’ I was saying the celebration of the Winter Soltice if not a biblical holiday.

  • Greyhawk

    Great Piece and just one more reason that NPR and the likes of Nina Totenberg should get ZERO funding by Taxpayers. If NPR were left to it’s own devices and content, they could not and would not survive in the Market Place of Ideas. We are a Majority Christian Nation and have always been. Ms. Totenberg and others are Free to Not Celebrate Christmas or to Not Say Merry Christmas or Not To Say God Bless You, etc. but We, The Majority of Americans are also Free to Celebrate Christmas and Choose To Do So. So, it is time to End Political Correctness and Cultural Diversity being Forced On The Majority by a Vocal, Vociferous and Vile Minority. And, it is time for The Majority To Speak Up and Remind Our Federal Government That We Are Going to Ignore Any Federal Law, Rule or other Restriction that They Try and Force On the Majority that violates our Freedoms Guaranteed By The First Amendment of Our Constitution and Our Human Rights as Human Beings. No government should ever have the Authority or Power to Squelch Us or to Bash Our Beliefs, Traditions, Customs, Language, Heritage, Religion or Speech. It is time to say To Hell With The Cowardly DC Bureaucrats, Politicians and The Media that is made up of the Likes of Nina Totenberg and others of her Liberal Gutless and Godless Ilk. Merry Christmas to One and All and May God Bless you and May God Bless America.

    • Robert Smith

      Greyhawk says: “So, it is time to End Political Correctness and Cultural Diversity being Forced On The Majority by a Vocal, Vociferous and Vile Minority.”

      And turn America over to a vocal, vociferous and vile alleged majority like Fox, Rush, and all the rest of those blabbermouths who don’t have tolerance for anyone but themselves?

      Rob

      • Teresa

        Merry Christmas Robert….he died for your sins too. I truly hope you have a wonderful Christmas from the bottom of my heart.

      • Dave.

        Robert – you forgot Allah and his prophet Muhammad (the leading boys name in England now), the parents of Rifka Bery, the television producer who hacked his wife up (honor killing), and the countless other ‘moderate Muslims’ who have nothing to say about ’9/11′, the USS Cole incident, and the hundreds of ‘Victory’ mosques going up possibly in a neighborhood near you. Rush et al can’t hold a candle to these who have been ‘eternally offended’ since the 7th Century!!

      • Dale on the left coast

        You are a typical lefty loon . . . . don’t like Christmas . . . ignore it . . . but its part of the fabric of this country and a large majority disagree with you . . . if it bothers you so much move to Saudie Arabia . . . you would look good on a prayer rug with your ass in the air . . . lol
        Merry Christmas!!!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Dale on the Left__ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!-Merry Christmas and CHEERS! :)

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        a lump of coal for you,and i pray that you do some fact checking befor you die,happy what ever you belive and a new years of hope and change,for god is still in charge and will not be denied,for he ordained from the beginning how it would end

    • Karolyn

      NPR gets less than 10% of its funding from taxpayers. Most of the income is from grants and members. There is no other radio venue that has such a wide variety of informational programming, from the sciences and art to politics and religion, as well as everything in between. NPR will do quite well whether it receives funding or not.

      • marvin

        Karolyn
        you just can not fix stupid ,it has got to be replaced,stupid is as stupid does, the ins will be around to get you

  • Greyhawk

    I just got this and looked it over. Sounds fairly sensible to me. God and anybody else with an ounce of Common Sense who has ever worked for a living or ran a business, knows that we must get this government under control with it’s out of control spending, expansion of it’s size and power, and the destruction of our nation’s prosperity and sovereignty which is being destroyed as a Direct Result of The Government’s Policies, Spending, Size and Control. And, instead of the Government Downsizing Itself in Power, Spending and Expansion, it is Expanding in all areas Exponentially at a rate that is totally unsustainable, and that is why the Leftists want to Confiscate Wealth Through Taxes and Fees and the So-Called Republicans argue with them about it, but at the end of the day and all the Back Room Deals, go along with it as long as they get their own Sweetheart Deals For Their Own Share of the Pork which enriches themselves, their cronies, allies and supporters. And, both parties do these Sleazy Deals and TV Wrangling, and nothing changes, except the Debt Continues to Grow and the Size and Power of Government Continues to Grow. And, as long as we have the current Lobbyist System which is nothing but a system designed by Congress Itself, we will continue to Have the Most Expensive Government Money and Lobbyists Can Buy, but the problem with this is that We, The People Are Left Holding The Bag of Debt that is accumulated as the Congressmen and the Lobbyists and Their Interests Grow Fat While The Nation Starves and Is Collapsing Under Unsustainable Debt as the Government Prints More Worthless Paper Money and Borrows from Our Sworn Enemies in Europe and Asia and the Middle Eastern nation such as Saudi Arabia.

    It is time to Pull Down The Curtain of the Wizard of Oz and show the American Citizens just how this Illusion and Scam is being perpetrated and has been perpetrated for several decades now. It is time to Truly Expose the government for what it is and have Real Transparency, as in Showing and Telling The Truth.

    Not even the worst deadbeat in this country would support this government’s actions and policies if they truly knew and understood How It Really Works, and Who the People Behind The Scenes of Power Really Are.

    That is why Educating America is the Most Critical Task we now have as Americans if we are to Turn This Ship Wreck Around and Take Our Power Back from the Current Ship of Fools who are running the Ship into an Iceberg, and this time, nobody will come to the Rescue of We The People as we sink into the Deadly Cold Waters. That is why the government, which is run by both Political Parties, is scurrying around so frantically right now in trying to Regulate and Even Shut Down Information which is now Free on the Internet. They know that if Enough People Know The Truth about How Government Really Works and Who Really Has The Power, that when a Critical Mass of Understanding Takes Place, that their Days are Numbered. The Truth Truly Will Set Americans Free and that is why Our Government Officials and Especially the Elected Politicians from Both Parties, hate the TEA Party, hate the Internet, and hate the Truth Generally, and will do anything to Squelch, Squash or other wise Keep The Truth From You and Me, the Average American Citizen who Make This Country Work.

    And, as of now, they say that We Baby Boomers comprise just over 20 percent of the population based on the latest census (67 million of us) and what that means is that there are only about 67 million of us still living who Know The Truth and have been blessed with good educations which we received in Locally Controlled Public Schools which included a good Education In Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, Respect, Responsibility, Work Ethics, Civic Responsibility, Love of Country, Love of Family, Love of American Traditions, Customs, Values, Beliefs, Language and Loyalty to our families and to our nation.

    These are things that most of us assumed would always be instilled in our youth, but while we were busy working and making a living, things Changed, and the Changes Presented, Promoted and
    Enforced By The U.S. Government and the Politicians Who Have Been Running it have all Been Changes That Have Been and Continue to Destroy Our Nation, Our Prosperity, Our Upward Mobility, and Our Future for our Children and Grandchildren and most importantly, our Future as a Free and Sovereign Citizenry that Live in a Free and Sovereign Nation.

    We Grownups Have to Take Care of the Young and Old. That principle has never changed throughout the history of mankind. It is time to Put The Grownups Back In Charge of this Sinking Ship and Dethrone The Ship of Fools who are Sinking The Ship of America’s Future. We owe it to the Young and Old, and to our Forefathers and Veterans who created and then Defended this Great Nation which is Still The Only Beacon Of Light left in the World of Nations, in spite of What Obama and Those of His Ilk have Taught Our Children and Continue to Teach, with aid of Hollywood, TV and other Outlets of Propaganda, Lies and other Sleaze that is being presented as Truth.

    ________________________________________
    From: info
    To: jerome
    Sent: 12/22/2010 6:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time
    Subj: Stuck in the middle with you…

    Last week, Hugh Jidette highlighted the opposition from partisans on the left and right to find sensible, middle ground solutions to manage federal spending, raise revenues and address our national debt problem.
    While many on the right abjectly refuse any revenue-generating solution that involves some new taxes, many on the left loudly oppose any plan that might lower spending.
    The old adage is true, I guess. When it comes to politics, if everyone’s unhappy with you, you must be doing something right.
    That’s where you come in. As a voice of reason, you can help spread our message.
    Concerned Americans understand that solutions to our long term debt problem require talking rather than shouting and sense rather than nonsense.
    Spread the word. Tell your friends and family, in your words, why this campaign to ensure America’s future matters. Bringing together people to discuss workable solutions is our best hope for addressing our nation’s fiscal challenges.
    We’re counting on you to help us.
    Sincerely,
    Christopher Sealey
    The Peter G. Peterson Foundation
    is a project of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation – – © 2010.

    • marvin

      Greyhawk
      you are right we have a spending prob income vers out go ;keep spending on the come,their is only so much you can take from the tax payer,the working none goverment supports all of the goverment handouts,if npr can not make it on it,s own bye bye,if goverments[ state/federal] can not or most likly won,t do it job replace them why should i have to pay for your health care or for you to have a baby,their is a differance in helping hand and hand outs helping is good hand outs not so good,merry christmas and a better new years

    • eddie47d

      I knew you’d sneak in a little Obama bashing. I know it can’t be helped,right? You also mentioned Hugh Jidette that fictional Presidential character. His message may be good but don’t make him sound like a real person. Bah Hum Bug.

  • Kumar Soysa

    Jesus is the Son of the Creator God, the God of the Bible and God of Israel, the nation that was formed by His spoken word. The US was founded on His word and now we have taken His name off the equation. See the signs; floods, fires, economic chaos, wars and threats of war, strange deseases, etc. and “children” are our leaders!!

    Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

    May the Lord our God open the hearts and minds of the people to yet call on His name to save the land.

    • Robert Smith

      Form Kumar: “The US was founded on His word and now we have taken His name off the equation.”

      Quite frankly I think that’s a diaper load. Can you show us ANY quotes from your bible that are in the Constitution that begins, “We the PEOPLE”.

      Looks to me like you are trying to hijack America just like christians hijacked all those holidays.

      Rob

      • Dave.

        Name any other form of government having an tripartite separation of powers, a government established “of, by, and for the people”, a Constitutional Republic, etc. These, my friend, are Christian/Biblical concepts based on the background of the Magna Carta, the tyrannical rule by Rex v. Lex (man versus Law)(aka, the Ten Commandments)
        If you’re really interested in pursuing this line of thought further, check out http://www.truthsthattransform.org – it’s only my ignorance and not the lack of facts that shortens these comments.

        • Robert Smith

          Still no quotes. But let’s watch Dave twist things.

          Rob

          • American Citizen

            Do your own research.

          • Dale on the left coast

            Robert . . . you must have attended Public School in detroit!!!
            The Constitution is based on Judaeo/Christian principals, a quick read of the Founders makes that very clear . . . even to someone with very few functioning brain cells.

        • Jackson

          @Dave

          The Magna Carta had NOTHING to do with religion. “Lex,Rex” refers to Law (Lex) and King (Rex). The subtitle of “Lex,Rex” was actually “The Law and The Prince”. “Lex, Rex” has NOTHING to do with the Ten Commandments.
          As for Samuel Rutherford, the author of “Lex,Rex” he was a proponent of the “Christian Nation” or the “Confessional State”. He believed that the first line of the constitution of each and every nation on earth should include a statement such as
          “The triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is the one true living God and he is the maker, ruler, redeemer, and judge of the world. The Bible is his infallible and altogether authoritative Word. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is King of Kings and Lord of lords and has all authority in heaven and on earth”.
          Wikipedia notes that Rutherford was “vehemently opposed to liberty of conscience” and believed that the Presbyterian Church was the one true church. After all is said and done, Rutherford seeks to end the tyranny of kings which is a noble cause. But to end the tyranny of the monarchy and simply replace it with the tyranny of the Presbyterian church is a bitterly ironic goal.

          see http://davidpfield.com/other/RutherfordCCS.pdf

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        have you ever read the constitutions of all 50 states and the u s constitution like the first few lines, try it you may find your remarks stuped

      • James

        Robert, Christianity wasn’t preserved in the U.S. Constitution, it was protected from government meddling. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (1st Amend.). That this referred to Christianity is borne out by our criminal codes which simply made every sin in the Bible, a misdemeanor or felony. All of the Founding Fathers were White Christians, two were Catholics and the rest were Protestants. For years, every session of Congress was opened with a prayer, in the name of Jesus Christ. The reason the First Amendment used ‘ religion’ instead of ‘Christianity’ was because there were several different sects of Christianity here. Thomas Jeffersons’s home State, Virginia, even taxed its citizens to support the state’s favored sect, hence the reason for the First Amendment in the national constitution.

        • Robert Smith

          James, James, James…

          Thomas Jefferson cut Jesus out of his bible anytime he found it.

          Why do so many from the right try to hijack American history? Isn’t your religion good enough to stand on its own? Why do you lie so much?

          Rob

          • James

            Robert, your ignorance of U.S. history is showing. Read the Mayflower Compact (of, I believe, 1606) and get the DVD “Rediscovering God In America II Our Heritage” It covers the period from America’s first settlers (all white Christians) through the Civil War. I wouldn’t worry though most white Christians will be slaughtered at Armageddon.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Actually Bob; nobody gives a damn as to what you think.

        • Robert Smith

          So? I know some pay attention to you. So many expressed desires to see so many dead. I don’t know what you fear from gays, but they do fear your gun.

          Rob

    • Proud to be a Christian

      Amen Amen Amen!!!! and I am afraid that if we don’t in the USA, that very very soon USA will be doomed as God turns his face against us as we don’t want to have anything to do with him. Study Revelation. Actually, read the 12 book series “Left Behind” if you really want to understand what is on the agenda in the very very near future. I recommend that because most don’t have a clue what the bible says even though they have or are attending church every Sunday.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Let them have their fun now. Life is short but Hell is forever.

    • Robert Smith

      gunner says: “Life is short but Hell is forever.”

      It must be hell on earth to be in fear all the time you are here. I just can’t believe in a god who will commit anyone to evil forever and then turn around and hear someone say, “and he loves you.”

      Rob

      • Teresa

        God does not commit you to hell forever, he gives YOU the choice…he gave his son to die for your sins once…you have free will to choose ever lasting life…that is YOUR choice you need only ask.

        • James

          Teresa, food for thought. In the Old Testament the Hebrew ‘sheol’ appeared 65 times. In 31 places it was translated as “hell,” in 31 places it was translated as “the grave,” and in 3 places it was translated as “the pit.”

      • American Citizen

        We choose our destiny, not only on this earth, but in the hereafter.

        • James

          American C., the Bible says the dead know nothing, all their thoughts perish, and Revelation says there will be two resurrections, where even the first one doesn’t occur until Christ Returns. Which means no one has died and immediately went somewhere.

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        you need to read the bible,the god of heaven and earth gave you a free will to chose, he gave you the right to agree and do his bidding or not, god does not want mindless slaves my god will not send you but let you send your self to hell so do not twist the truth the god you serve was cast down to the bottomless pit and has control of all that will serve him and don,t try to say i am judging you you have by your own words judge yourself

        • Robert Smith

          I choose NOT to participate in / with the bloody hateful threatening god you are trying to sell me on.

          I find it creepy that you need so many “others” to support you and your religion.

          Please stay away from me with your religion. Your freedom to spread ends when a person says NO. Just like sex, if someone says no it is RAPE if you don’t stop.

          Rob

  • Charles

    Merry Christmas Ms. Totenberg, Merry Christmas!!! The reason for the season, is the Kingdom that is going to win in the end. The Lord of this eternal kingdom very much wants you to be part of it too!!!

  • rimshot75

    ‘Forgive me’ she says? Why would a rampant pagan like her wish for or pray for ‘forgiveness’? Particulary at the time of year when the true source of forgiveness is celebrated in Christmas? She is so lost that she can not find her ars with both hands in a lit room. God help her.

    • Angel Wannabe

      rimshot _at’s pretty funny!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Hey rim you posted: ” Why would a rampant pagan like her wish for or pray for ‘forgiveness’?”

      Wrong again. Maybe a little education is in order.

      The CORRECT information is that it is Margot Adler on NPR who wrote the book on modern Paganism.

      http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Down-Moon-Witches-Goddess-Worshippers/dp/014019536X

      From Amazon: “Amazon.com Review
      Popular demand for this clear-sighted compendium of information about the rebirth of Pagan religions hasn’t waned since its initial publication in 1979. Distinguished by the journalism of National Public Radio columnist Margot Adler, Drawing Down the Moon explains this diverse and burgeoning religion’s philosophies and activities while dispelling stereotypes that have long been associated with it. Most people don’t realize that pagan simply refers to pre-Christian polytheistic nature religions, such as the various Native American creeds, Japanese Shinto, Celtic Druid, and Western European Wicca. Originally, the word pagan meant “country dweller” and was a derogatory term in Rome in the third century A.D., not unlike calling someone a hick today. If you find yourself feeling queasy when you hear the words witch or pagan, a healthy dose of reeducation via Drawing Down the Moon could be the cure. –P. Randall Cohan”

      Rob

      • Dave.

        I’m sure you’ll find it most interesting that most religious systems have some reference to a flood, the first man and woman, and other “quasi-Christian’ concepts. The Bible itself merely sums this up with “the heavens declare the glory of God, the earth showeth his handiwork” to the extent that men everywhere are without excuse.
        The sophisticated lawyer son of a farmer asked his dad one day – “Where is God?” His father replied – “Where is he not?”

        • Robert Smith

          I still can’t see him Dave. Do you hear voices in your head?

          Rob

          • American Citizen

            If you can’t see Him in His creation, you never will. If you don’t open your heart to let Him in, you will never hear Him.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Do you see the air on a mountain top ? There are such things as belief and faith. You either have them or you don’t. How anyone can look at the miracles of the life and world that surronds us and not believe in a divine hand is beyond me. Your choice, your consequences. Merry Christmas Bob.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Gunner I’ve seen my share of Miracles in 54 years, gunner and believe me God is, “I AM”_ and I’m Thankful and comforted to know he does exist!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Robert, No one knows the Father, unless they accept the Son of Man. If you can’t sincerely humble yourself and ask for forgiveness, you’ll never walk with God.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi American,

            For me it doesn’t work as “believe and you will see.”

            For me it is I will believe when I see. I ain’t heard anything from your god so no belief. It’s that simple.

            Besides, I don’t trust most christions because I’ve seen so many lies.

            Rob

    • Karolyn

      How do you know she’s a Pagan? Would you believe there are Christians who are politically correct! Oh, my!

      • Robert Smith

        In fact Nina is a christian. Margot wrote the book on Paganism.

        Please keep your facts straight.

        Rob

  • SS McDonald

    What does one expect from government-salaried, politically-correct scum such as Totenberg?

    • Robert Smith

      That’s so tolerant of you SS. How christian of you.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Getting paid to disrupt & be miserable is just another day, isn’t it Robert?…

        • Robert Smith

          Shucks Angel, I’m saddened that you are so myserable. Maybe your current version of christanity just isn’t right for you.

          Rob

    • eddie47d

      Robert; That is why he is the SS. Crystals comments on Totenberg were rather lame so that part of his story isn’t worth fretting over. Certainly not “newsworthy” or worth bringing out the worst in people like SS.

      • Robert Smith

        Or Rush, Savage…

        Rob

  • JAMES P SCOBBIE

    THANK THE LORD FOR A MERRY CHRISTMAS, JESUS THE CHRISTS’ BIRTHDAY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS & THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRFICE TO SAVE OUR HUMAN SOULS. WILL SEE YOU IN THE AFTER LIFE AMEN, SHALOM Post Script; WE STAND STRONG FOR OUR JUDEO-CHISTEN HERITAGE. PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM & THE LORDS RETURN.

    • JAMES P SCOBBIE

      It is Judeo-Christian Hertage a big miss print, even perfect humans do miss print at times, anyway a big MERRY CHRISTMAS & A MUCH BETTER HAPPY NEW YEAR even to the non’ believers !!! Where would we be if there were no father in heaven NO “GOD”? THOUGHT I BETTER CORRECT THE MISS PRINT BEFORE THE MORE THAN PERFECT FOLK GOT WIND OF IT?

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    I believe the recent elections prove the American people are tired of the Liberal left imposing their agenda on them. When the College students begin thinking about the radical propaganda being taught in our universities, they will know they are being brainwashed. Our universities are filled with professors espousing the Socialist or other radical agendas.

    My youngest son, highly intelligent but impressionable, was so impressed with two of his professors. When I told him that both were a part of a terrorist network, he didn’t believe me. Less than two years after that conversation, both were terminated for exactly what I had told him and one of the professors popped up in the middle east as the leader of a radical group in Palestine.

    Hopefully, the desire to take back our country will continue into the elections in 2012 and restore the right to say Merry Christmas and many other expressions that are now considered incorrect. We might start by declaring the American Civil Liberties Union a radical organization and demand the resignation of Eric Holder.

    • Robert Smith

      From Bud: “When I told him that both were a part of a terrorist network, he didn’t believe me. Less than two years after that conversation, both were terminated for exactly what I had told him and one of the professors popped up in the middle east as the leader of a radical group in Palestine.”

      What is it, a family secret? I don’t remember anything about that in the news. Quite frankly I think you made it up.

      Rob

    • eddie47d

      Bud; You should be more concerned about the Abiding Truth Ministries and Christian Identity movements more than the aclu. They are a real danger.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Eddie, and I would suppose Liberation Theology is no threat at all_right?_Oh course If youd like the link I can do that!

  • Sylvia

    If there is no Christmas tell all the government to get to work. No Christmas Day off. No school closures for your children. Let the Prime Minister and President not have their Christmas dinners or gifts. Yeah right!
    Merry Christmas and a Merrry Christmas and a very Merrry Christmas! What are you celebrating or is the world a bunch of twits not even knowing what they are celebrating. Same with the other religions! If you are serious then insist on going to work that day! Insist on your children going to school! Stop celebrating Christs birthday if you find it offensive!!!
    A rose by any other name is still a rose! And guess what? If you celebrate in any way………gifts, special foods and days off you are celebrating Christs birth whether you like it or not! Enjoy it however secretly. Methinks the world loves celebrating Him and just is too cowardly to admit it.
    I celebrate Christmas and I do not celebrate Halloween and I admit it!
    Have a wonderful Christ-filled Christmas.

    • Dave.

      Fact is – these people can’t get away from Christ!! They recognize his existence when they recognize the date (BC -before the cradle, AD – Anno Domini), the existence of time, the unfathomable reaches of inner and outer space, the complexity and often synergistic creation around and within us, his intervention in history (actually, before time began) and into the future (actually, beyond into eternity, and (if you’re a fan of the longest running radio program ever – “Unshackled”)often into their own lives – running into situations which “make them face themselves – and think!” Considering all this, the question is – Where is He (Jesus Christ) NOT?? So, Merry, blessed, Christ Incarnation Day and Hallelujah!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dave, Jesus lives in your heart!_If you choose not to seek him, thats up to you!__Its simply all about choice, yes or no!

      • Jackson

        Dave you’re simply referring to the Christian calendar to support your argument. Kinda biased and pointless. The calendar is now referred to by non-believers as ‘BCE’ which stands for ‘Before the Common Era’ instead of ‘BC’ which stood for “Before Christ’ (Before the Cradle???). You fail to consider the Jewish Calendar, which is about 3700 years older (It’s currently the year 5771). The Chinese Calendar, which is quite different, is considered to be at least twice as old as the Christian calendar. The Muslims, Aztecs, Inca all have different calendars. Even the very young Baha’i calendar (167 years old) is different. As for your claim that “Unshackled” is the longest running radio program ever… the only place I could find that supported that claim was on their website. BTW, if “Unshackled” is the longest running radio program, it’s also the longest running program that nobody knows about. Sorry Dave, your post and its argument just doesn’t stand-up to any intellectual scrutiny… but Merry Christmas just the same.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    she is a pagan when i was growing up we said merry christmas and we didnt ofend anyone if you look crooss eyed at anyone they would be offened i say this PC is a lot of crap.

    • Robert Smith

      Really… Can you PROVE she is a Pagan? BTW do you hate Pagans? Why?

      Rob

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Bob, why do you always equate disagreement with hate ? You must have been a riot in debate class. Is hate your favorite emotion ? Didn’t you get enough hugs when you were a child ?

        • Robert Smith

          You didn’t answer the question gunner.

          BTW, if you know someone would be born gay would you allow the mother to abort them?

          Rob

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Even though Jesus the Christ is a conservative (let y’all tell it)
    He still forgives Liberals…
    (and a Happy New Year)

    • Karolyn

      Jesus was a liberal because he was against the system at the time.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Oh Wow, you mean that Conservatives actually have a so called libtard as their Lord an Savior? Where the hell is DaveH when ya really need him? LOL !!!!

        • Dave.

          I thought you people were supposed to be “tolerant, indulgent, unbigoted, unprejudiced, unbiased, unjaundiced, unwarped, etc.” Surely you of all people can indulge and tolerate those below you with a little bit of jocularity, merriment, and some ‘harmless’ referencing to a figure of antiquity.
          This would not be any big deal except for overwhelming evidence all of creation, history, human behavior and every other source of information that dictates the inescapable fact of the existence of a figure known as Jesus Christ, his birth, suffering and death, burial and resurrection. Destroy every Bible if you wish (or could); it could all be reconstructed from secular history and even in societies where Christ has been eradicated (Russia, China, N. Korea, etc) the church (Christ body of believers) not only exists; it triumphs – the body of Christ was and is born of the blood of the martyrs (witnesses). Bottom line – “smell the latte”, consider your end and where will you be 10 minutes after you die??

        • American Citizen

          If you read what Jesus said, “If you don’t work, you don’t eat”, it proves he’s a conservative. But He was a compassionate conservative. He worked among the poor, forgave sinners, cured the sick, etc. We conservatives believe in doing this also. Each of us is given a talent to use towards those ends. It’s how we do it that is a bone of contention between Liberals and Conservatives.

          • eddie47d

            Liberals work and serve the Lord through many charity organizations so what is you point?

          • BobbyB

            YES, jc Was a conservative. Here’s proof!

            http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html

          • eddie47d

            That cartoon feature didn’t prove anything and is more mocking than respectful.

      • R

        Actually, the Pharisees and the Jews of that group of the time were the liberals because they attempted to place themselves above the rest of society. You were thrown in jail or killed if you didn’t follow the establishment. Oh by the way Karolyn, Jesus said he is the only way to heaven; he talks about repenting from sins and lot of other things that liberals now a days are fighting against. He can forgive anyone but will today’s liberals accept him as the only way into heaven or will they still preach the phony notion of “coexisting”.

        • Dave.

          “he talks about repenting from sins” – he referred to those with a sin nature and the results of such being sins of omission and commission.
          Think about it; if he were not sinless, lacking a sin nature, he could not die for anyone including himself. We would still be in our sins, alienated from God and destined to continue on our way to eternal separation from God forever.

        • eddie47d

          R; “Pharisees were the liberals of the time” What a load…..

      • Dale on the left coast

        That is a stupid statement . . . . Pelosi is really old . . . but not 2000 years old . . .
        Don’t believe the Romans were “Liberals” . . . although they were “Tyrants, Despots, Dictators” to all they conquered.

        • Robert Smith

          Sounds like popes to me Dale.

          Rob

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        You are right on target. The term Liberal is typically used to describe one who wants change. Whereas the term Conservative is typically used to describe one who wants to keep things the same. So, a Liberal in Russia would be almost opposite to a Liberal in the United States. The English language can be very confusing.
        When I call somebody Liberal, I mean it in the Political sense. That is a person who advocates Big Government (contrary to the vision of our country’s founders). So, by my definition, many Republicans (like Scott Brown) are Liberal.

      • kate8

        Jesus wasn’t actually against anything. He had no use for any human system. He clearly stated that “My Kingdom is not of this world”.

        He told us that if we are filled with the Holy Spirit, and if we follow God’s Laws (especially regarding loving God and one another), we will always do the right thing and all will go well with us.

        His Laws are commons sense, and are for the preservation of life.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey kate, you posted: “His Laws are commons sense, and are for the preservation of life.”

          So, why are you against universal heath care that would save so many lives?

          Rob

    • Teresa

      He forgives everyone that truly seeks forgiveness Dr. Mabuse…and Merry Christmas to you and all your loved ones.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Thanx… and the same to you Teresa.

  • Disgusted

    Christmas is celebrated for one reason only – the Birth of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. If you don’t believe in that then you have absolutely no business celebrating christmas for any other reason.
    REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON!
    I am so sick and tired of people crying “I’m offended by that” and then we can’t say it anymore. I am offended by lots of things and don’t cry about it, I just get past it and try not to put myself in the position to hear or see it again. In a room of 10 people – 1 person is offended by the Christmas – the other 9 have to stop saying it? I say that one offended person should remove themselves from the room – problem fixed. The other 9 can continue without offending that person.

    • Allan Halbert

      Actually, the more people that celebrate Christmas the better, regardless of how or why they approach it.

    • Robert Smith

      From Disgusted: ” If you don’t believe in that then you have absolutely no business celebrating christmas for any other reason.”

      I sure do have something to celebrate. The days are getting longer again!

      YEA Summer!!!!!!!

      BTW, that’s a FACT. There is more sunlight. You know, Earth going round the sun on its axis. Don’t need to have no holy book to tell me that. I’m happy summer is on the way back. Don’t need any mumbo jumbo for that.

      Rob

      • crystals10

        Rob:

        You are seriously convoluted. I will pray for you to be set free of all your anger and hatred for the one who Loves you most, JESUS. May God Bless You with a softening of your heart.

      • Sylvia

        Maybe you don’t need to know that but did you know that when the whole world thought the earth was flat the bible stated that the earth was a circle???? So much for that eh? Yeah I am Canadian!

    • crystals10

      Amen to that whole statement. Merry Christmas with Joy, and Blessings to you and yours.

  • Teresa

    While the government takes our tax dollars on a national paid holiday off and snubs their nose at Christ’s birth I have this to say….it is not us the media nor anyone else has to ask forgiveness from it is the Lord himself and he truly knows your heart.

    • Teresa

      btw…MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!

  • Jukebox

    After the disgraceful legislation this PC, Pagan, Secular, If it feels good , do it Congress has burdened us with, with the support of “journalists” of questionable character, it is obvious that we do have a loving, compassionate God. Otherwise, He would have allowed the Muslims to do more damage to Washington than they did. I believe that might have been a wake up warning, but the pseudo intellectuals believe in their own abilities to a self destructive obsession.
    GLORY TO GOD AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!

    • Larry

      I have some Christmas presents for you, Jukebox: ……………………………………………………………… They’re called periods. You learned about them (or are learning about them) in grade school. Here are some more: …………………………………………………………………………… Let us know when you run out and we’ll send another batch. Merry Christmas.

      • Jukebox

        Thanks, my senility is showing, since I have been out of school for over 50 years.

  • Mick

    Disgusted says:
    In a room of 10 people – 1 person is offended by the Christmas – the other 9 have to stop saying it? I say that one offended person should remove themselves from the room – problem fixed. The other 9 can continue without offending that person.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    Disgusted,,,,,Exactly !!
    Our traditions have done pretty good for our country in the past but because some damn foreigner or certain ethnic group does’t like this or that we’re suppose to bow to their wishes, I say screw them, if they don’t like it they can leave let’s keep what worked for America and let them adapt ………..

  • Al Sieber

    I can see that most clerks at the store are afraid to wish the customers a Merry Christmas, when did this all start? one said Happy Holidays to me at the grocery store, and I said what’s the matter, can’t you say Merry Christmas? she said no it might offend someone, I said you already offended me.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Al… You posted: ” I said you already offended me.”

      I’m offended when I’m standing in line at the liquor store and I sneeze. When one of you says, “god bless you” with that little execution device hanging around your neck… BTW, I think I’m going to find a little electric chair to hang around my neck. Maybe that will keep those with crosses from blessing me. Why do you need to get ME involved in your religion to get your ticket to your heaven punched (if you are going there).

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        RS, BAHHH HUMBUG!_ :)

      • ValDM

        Robert Smith,
        You don’t want to become involved????????? Get off this site then. You’re obnoxious, pot-stirring and over-bearing. You won’t make your point here, so go to some site that caters to your ilk.

        • American Citizen

          No, Robert, don’t leave. We need people like you to show us the thinking out there.

          • Angel Wannabe

            A.Citizen__ Great point!

      • Karolyn

        Rob – You are more intolerant than most Christians. I would have thought that Atheists would be more tolerant. Who cares if someone blesses you? Are you that sensitive? Is it that big of a deal? Do you believe in love? THAT is what’s important.

        • DaveH

          Good for you, Karolyn. I think you’re starting to see what the Liberals are really like.

      • American Citizen

        That cross reminds us that Jesus took our sins upon Himself and died for them in our place. It also reminds us that He did not remain on that cross, but rose from the dead, ascended into Heaven to prepare a place for us. It’s a victory sign, not an execution sign.

      • eddie47d

        I’d say you lost on that one Rob and deservedly.

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        when you are on your death bed, try not to ask god to forgive you, but mabe you won,t get that chance ,if i were you i would get some fire insurance,

      • libertytrain

        Robert you are such a cranky soul – may peace find its way into your heart to allow others to believe. And may you find your executioner’s electric chair, or perhaps a needle to represent what you think -

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Bob, do the world a favor. find a real el. chair, plug it in and have a seat.

      • DaveH

        Why are you so Hateful, Robert? I am atheist and I certainly don’t take offense when somebody says “God bless you”. Their intent is honorable, unlike the comment you just made.

      • Al Sieber

        Hey Rob, you get one of those “electric chairs” to hang around your neck I’ll plug it in for you, anytime buddy, I’m not that good of a Christian, I hate organized religion.

  • Karolyn

    Who cares what anybody says? Why even pay it any mind? Just to further anger? I remember once many years ago saying “God bless you” to someone who had sneezed. The guy turned around and said “How dare you bless me. I don’t believe in God.” Needless to say, I was taken aback. However, nothing like that has happened since. I say Merry Christmas to everyone. Jewish friends I have had have gratefully accepted the greeting and wished “Happy Chanukkah” in return. I’m extremely “safe” here in the Bible Belt; however, I lived most of my life in New Jersey and saw very little political correctness in my day to day living. Regarding Kwanza, I know no black people down here who celebrate it; I guess it’s a northern thing. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY! :-)

    • Angel Wannabe

      Merry Christmas to You too Karolyn! :)

    • Robert Smith

      From Karolyn: “The guy turned around and said “How dare you bless me. I don’t believe in God.”

      I might have been that guy. I don’t want to be blessed by a god that has killed so many born human beings, rules his flock with fear and intimidation, and has such intolerant followers.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        RS, HUMBUG! :)

      • Karolyn

        Robert – I would suggest you read “Conversations with God” by Neale Donald Walsch for a new, non-religious view of God. You might be surprised.

        • kate8

          karolyn – good call. R S might just find some insight there, without being threatened by anything “Christian”.

      • American Citizen

        God does not rule us with fear and intimidation. He gave us the ten commandments to free us from the consequences of not obeying them. Reason it out.

        • Angel Wannabe

          American Citizen, Your right!__But given the nature of do-it-for-me libs, reasoning or research for truth is not in they’re DNA.

        • marvin

          American Citizen
          we live under the blood now, no one will enter unto the kingdom of heaven with out the blood of christ with or with out the 10 commandments, the commandments were and are a dayly living guide the blood of christ is the ticket to ever lasting live in heaven, so merry christ birthday and have a better next year

      • Sylvia

        I’m always amazed at how many people who say they don’t believe in God but somehow blame him for all the world disasters. Common sense tells me they absolutely do believe in Him they are just mad at Him. Otherwise the comments make absolutely no sense at all.
        How do you blame events on someone who doesn’t exist…………..??

        • Angel Wannabe

          Well said Sylvia!

        • kate8

          Sylvia – Yes, well said, ideed!

          Man’s very existence suggests something greater than himself.

      • DaveH

        Men who say they believe in God (not God) killed those people, Robert. Get it straight. And you know nothing about the man that issued the phrase “god bless you”. Quit being so Hateful.

      • Al Sieber

        Rob, you’re just a inconsiderate cry baby, God Bless you, and go $crew yourself. if you can’t stand the heat stay outa the kitchen.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Al,

          How’s that polytheistic thing going with that Big Daddy, Jr., and the Holy Ghost?

          Rob

      • kate8

        R S – You are a confused soul. God does not kill people. People kill one another because of intolerance, greed, and other evils.

        Has it ever occurred to you that if in the beginning there was only God, and all things in existence have proceeded from His Own Essence, then all of Creation not only belongs to Him, but IS HIM.

        I think He can do whatever he wants. It’s a good thing that He is loving enough to even allow us to question His existence. Or to disbelieve, for that matter. It’s just that we are held accountable for how we live our lives, whether we like it or not. And we won’t ever know Him unless and until Christ is born within us (which means that we come to understanding of our oneness with God).

        God established Laws of the Universe that even He doesn’t violate. There are laws of sowing and reaping, or kharma, that are absolute, except by Grace.

        God never promises that we will be happy on Earth, but Christ’s promise is Peace (within) that passes all understanding. Happy/unhappy are part of the duality of physical existence. God has no opposite.

      • Bruce D.

        Robert says: “I don’t want to be blessed by a god that has killed so many born human beings,..”
        It is interesting you stated “born human beings”. Most liberal have no qualms about killing those about to be born.

        • Robert Smith

          They ain’t necessarily “human beings.”

          Can you even define a “human being.”

          Geneticaly some apes are over 99% human beings.

          A person without legs modified by thalimide is geneticaly missing a huge percentage of their “humanity.”

          A thing born with no brain… Is that a “human being?”

          Something gestating without a chance of ever drawing a breath… Is that a “human being?”

          Would you have aborted Hitler if you could have?

          If Jesus had been aborted by his “father”, ie. a miscarrage, would history have been the same?

          Rob

  • http://Yahoo Jack

    The hard earned tax money to run NPR and give NT a good living, probably 99%, comes from fellow citizens who would say, Merry Christmas NT, because it’s the time of year of giving. We all would add Happy New Year but we know your thinking won’t allow you to ever have a happy new year.

    • Karolyn

      Less than 10% of NPR’s budget comes from the fed.

      • Teresa

        wrong

        • Karolyn

          Well, here’s your own Fox News with budget info.
          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/22/republicans-add-npr-funding-cut-budget-slashing-contest/

          This is from Wikipedia (easiest to find.):

          “Funding
          In 2009, NPR revenues totaled $164 million, with the bulk of revenues coming from programming fees, grants, contributions and sponsorships.[14] According to the 2009 financial statement, about 40% of NPR revenues come from the fees it charges member stations to receive programming. Typically, NPR member stations raise funds through on-air pledge drives, corporate underwriting, and grants from state governments, universities, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from direct government funding, 10% of their revenue from federal funding in the form of CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities.[14][15] NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.[16] About 1.5% of NPR’s revenues come from Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants.”

          During the 1970s and early 1980s, the majority of NPR funding came from the federal government. Steps were taken during the 1980s to completely wean NPR from government support, but the 1983 funding crisis forced the network to make immediate changes. More money to fund the NPR network was raised from listeners, charitable foundations and corporations instead.[citation needed]

          • DaveH

            Good reply, Karolyn. But any amount of funding from the Federal Government (or any Government) is too much funding for a politically biased network. Government has absolutely no business supporting any news services.

          • crystals10

            Karolyn:

            I don’t know if anyone else has caught on, but you contradict yourself in many of your statements. You should also find better resources to use other than Fox, and wiki. These are two of the worst places you could go if you want the truth. Please don’t refer to Our Lord, and Savior as a liberal. BTW how is it that you believe in re-incarnation and Jesus? Maybe you have been hitting the egg nog a little hard today? Merry Christmas to all and may the Joy and Peace of this lovely baby Jesus touch your hearts.

          • Karolyn

            Once again, try opening your mind a little and think outside the box for once.

          • Robert Smith

            Can any of you who want to deny NPR public funding show us ANYTHING that they’ve reported that isn’t fact?

            Can you show us anything that Fox has reported that is a fact?

            Quite frankly I rely on NPR for fact based reporting.

            Rob

  • http://com i41

    Merry Christmas to All, and let us have a Happy New Year! The National Marxist Communist Democrat Union Socialist Party and their muslim marxist moron leader in Cheif, are doing their best to turn America in to a another socialist EU country. Government iswho everyone must depend on and be beholding to, not God. With the anti Christian appointment of perv SC judges by “worldly trained experts” democrats over the years, what do we expect?

  • Mick

    Al Sieber says:
    December 23, 2010 at 8:10 am
    I can see that most clerks at the store are afraid to wish the customers a Merry Christmas, when did this all start? one said Happy Holidays to me at the grocery store, and I said what’s the matter, can’t you say Merry Christmas? she said no it might offend someone, I said you already offended me.

    *************************************
    Al ,,,GOOD MORNING……….
    THAT HAPPENED TO ME ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION AND I USUALLY REPLY WHAT’S WRONG WITH JUST SAYING MERRY CHRISTMAS, I VERY SELDOM GET A RESPONSE…

    • JimH

      Hi Mick, When a clerk wishes me a Happy Holiday, I just say, Thank you and Merry Christmas to you. It gets a knowing look and a smile. They are only doing what they are instructed to do by their employer. Unless they are the owner, there is no need to give the hired help a hard time.

  • Larry

    To me, Christmas is about children. And that includes the child in every one of us. It’s about Santa. Magic. Happiness. Joy. A time that focuses on expressing love for one another. A festival of lights. Smiles. Laughter. Kindness. Family. Friends. Generosity to others less fortunate. My hope is that whomever reads this is warm. As I’m a person not into organized religion, Christmas is not about Christ. It’s more about peace on earth and good will to all. It’s about feeling how wonderful it is to be alive. And hoping everyone else feels the same way. Merry Christmas, y’all. And here’s to a smashing 2011!

    • Karolyn

      Larry – “It’s more about peace on earth and good will to all. It’s about feeling how wonderful it is to be alive.” – That is was Jesus was all about. That is what he tried to bring to the world.

    • American Citizen

      Christmas is most importantly the celebration of God coming into the world as a human being. Jesus suffered all the joys, tears, pain and celebrations of His Jewish Faith. All Christians are completed Jews. His life was about showing us how to live and interact with one another. For this He was put to death due to the fears of the establishment. Sort of like it is today in D.C.

  • Average Joe

    At the risk of showing my political incorrect self, Merry Christmas to all of you fine folks on the board and a very Happy New Year!

    • Angel Wannabe

      _and a Merry Christmas to You too Average Joe! :)

    • Ruby

      Merry Christmas! Joyeaux Noel! Feliz Navidad! Mele Kelikimaka! :-D

    • Ruby

      Everywhere I go, I utter, “Merry Christmas”, without apology. During Hanukah (sp), I mentioned Hanukah or happy holiday; and, during the Thanksgiving holiday time, it was, “Happy Thanksgiving” and a few words to encourage thankfulness.

      I don’t apologize to anyone for what I believe. AND, I have found that 99.9% return the greeting with a smile. Even the WalMart cashiers! :))

  • 1minuteman

    obama has alot to do with this anti christmas and anti christian attitude all over the country. since he took ofice i have noticed the anti everything american has gone into hyperspeed including pro sharia islamaism. when is the last time you saw obama who says he is a christian say anything positive about our christian beliefs or traditions and when he quotes the founding fathers or lincoln he always leaves out the words creator or god on purpose because i say he is a flat out devout muslim and no one will convince me otherwise. he has eric holder sue anyone who utters a negative word about islam but not christianity. no they can say or do anything against christians and thats okay. one day he will answer for his deeds and i hope i live long enough to see it.

  • http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com Chris

    Faith Up Christians!! Stand strong for everything that is Christian in this country, before the liberals manage to remove it all. We want it all back, in order to heal this nation. Protect Christianity in this country, support the cause; http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com At Christmas time and all the days that follow, keep Christ alive in our US!!
    Merry Christmas to All!

  • Raggs

    Merry Christmas to you Bob and everyone else in here!

    The ultra progressives not so much…

  • Unknown Soldier

    The crux of liberalism is supposed “liberation” from any and all values that are perceived to “constrain” them. This is why you will see ‘liberals’ “tolerating” any other culture but their own. It’s not even that they have allegiance to globalism or some universal religion because if they got that- they would immediately begin screaming about how oppressive it would be to their “individuality”. When the useful idiocy runs out, the mental disorder will most likely progress into Stockholm syndrome towards the true aggressors. If a ‘liberal’ could play chess instead of checkers they wouldn’t declare themselves a ‘liberal’.

    However, most liberals fail to see that we are all on the same side- not philosophically but essentially what hurts us; will also hurt them too. When a ‘liberal’ talks about “tolerance” it is pure double speak passive aggression. They wish for you to ‘tolerate’ being slapped in the face- or have your principality attacked by ‘dishonorable’ or ‘disgraceful’ means- something that is of course intolerable.

    The hardcore ‘liberal’ regards the color of one’s flesh as an important feature. For example: “There are too many white people in congress for a nation as diverse as this one!” They don’t see the inner character of individuals around them (whether they are right or wrong) because they are far too terrified to look inside themselves and judge their own integrity; instead filling the void with multiculturalism, and other naïve transformational delusions that undermine the culture that made us exceptional for the last century.

    That is why they will tell you “Happy Holidays” because they don’t actually celebrate any of them. Buying plastic junk to excite children into exuberance is not the point. That’s bribery. Most of you here understand that, which is far more valuable—even if you get coal! (Ehem, I mean Chinese polymer). So when you proudly identify yourself as being merry to commemorate the birth of Christ- you are revered by ‘liberal’ delusions. Because they want to FORCE you into having a “Happy Holiday”, whatever the hell that means…

    Merry Christmas Everyone,

    Unknown Soldier

    • eddie47d

      Most Conservatives fail to see that we are on the same side…. so get over yourself and that self righteous diatribe Mr Unknown.

      • DaveH

        We are definitely not on the same side, Eddie. So get over yourself. Your side wants to help themselves to the money of others. My side believes in voluntary contracts and free choice. Your side believes in forcing themselves on others.

        • eddie47d

          Can’t even be nice at Christmas time can you Dave H. Was Scrooge your uncle?

        • Robert Smith

          Can you give us some specific examples, DaveH?

          Rob

    • kate8

      Unknown Soldier – Very astute comment. Thanks.

  • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

    I just want to thank Bob Livingston & Personal Liberty Digest for the opportunity to share these great and honest commentaries. I will take a minute and recite the Lords Prayer and wish you all from P L D a very Merry Christmas and may the lord be with you forever. Al Duhan

  • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

    I also convey this message to all the people involved in the the trust of our Savior. Merry Christmas to all and be loved by all for your gracefulness. Al

  • Teresa

    I am a Jew, & every single one of my ancestors was Jewish & it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don’t feel threatened. I don’t feel discriminated against. That’s whate they are: Christmas trees.
    It doesn’t bother me a bit when people say, Merry Christmas to me. I don’t think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It doesn’t bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a crib, it’s just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.
    I don’t like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don’t think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicityly atheist country. I can’t find it in the Constitution and I don’t like it being shoved down my throat.
    Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celeberities and we aren’t allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that’s a sign that I’m getting old, too.. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
    In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it’s not funny, it’s intended to get you thinking.
    Billy Graham’s daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her “How could God let something lik this happen” (regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, ‘I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?
    In light of recent events..terrorist attack, school shootings, tec. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O’Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn’t want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
    Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn’t spank our children when they misbehave because thier little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock’s son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he’s talking about. And we said OK.
    Now we’re asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don’t know right from wrong, and why it doesn’t bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
    Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with “WE REAP WHAT WE SOW”. Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world’s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send “jokes” through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
    Are you laughing yet?
    My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
    Ben Stein

    • Angel Wannabe

      Teresa Awesome read!_especially Billy grahms Daughters Reply to why Katrina happened__” ‘I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?__
      Frankly I’ve been sayin for years__”when we allowed prayer to be taken out of our schools, we replaced it with metal detectors and the Police.”

      • Raggs

        Angel.. very true.. And when we allowed God to be thrown out of the government he was replaced with corruption and dishonesty.

        • Angel Wannabe

          I’m hearing that Raggs. The Progressives don’t want to believe what Conservatives say, because its against they’re Socialist mentality and they’re desire of adoration and control._Honestly I don’t tolerate that realm of thinking, they come around I rebuke it, it saves on arguments!__and hey_ Merry Christmas Raggs!!

        • Robert Smith

          Coruption has always been in government.

          Nixon was proven and I sincerely hope Bush goes on trial for outing a CIA agent. I think that execution should be considered for Chaney. People died because of their efforts.

          Rob

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Angel: I think America has one foot in the grave where God is concerned. Our acceptance of abortion and homosexuality and other perversions has earned us that position. The other shoe will drop when we turn our back on Israel, and that’s coming soon.

        • Angel Wannabe

          gunner_I remember a parable of Gods I don’t have time to look it up now, I’m making Ginger Bread Houses with my daughter and Granddaughter, But God said “let the dead be with the dead”. If people are dead in christ, thats they’re choice!

    • Dave.

      Teresa and Ben – I for one want to thank you for your heritage and ancestry the Jews. Both Joseph (Christ’s earthly father) and Mary were of the house and lineage of David. Yehweh gave Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob an unconditional covenant regarding the Jewish people, the original vine into which we who were Gentiles were grafted. A remnant will be reigning with us, will be part of the bride of Christ – the church to be raptured (caught away) and will be returning to reign with Christ during the Millennium. Accept him today as your Messiah, the Anointed One, the Son of God, the center of the Trinity (God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Elohim.

    • http://Yahoo Jack

      Thank you Ben and a Merry christmas to you

    • http://none Mike

      Teresa, Amazing isnt it that christian and Jew alike can come to an agreement.We may not see eye to eye on who Jesus was but we can both agree that his teachings were valid. But there are so many others out there that only wish hatred and guile were the rules of the land. Mike L.

    • Al Sieber

      Excellent post Teresa, I learned a lot, thank you.

      • Al Sieber

        Teresa,I also believe the basis of all religions is the Golden Rule, do unto others….

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Teresa… You say: “Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world’s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.”

      Yup, newspapers give us pictures and on their websites actual audio that can be listened to and evaluated in the context of who said it.

      On the other hand you ask us to accept your bible as fact with absolutely nothing to connect with reality. In that contest L. Ron Hubbard is just as valid with his Scientology.

      Rob

  • barbm

    why don’t we say happy holidays when it’s kwanzaa, Easter, new year’s day, ramadan, vesak, and all the other celebrations of whatever religion? and if we don’t/won’t, why can’t we say Christmas? what i find most offensive about totenberg’s statement is that she’s rubbing elbows with politicians when she’s supposed to be neutral on a pbs station. hard to stay neutral when your friends are all democrats.

    • Sheldon

      But that’s exactly why I say ‘Happy Holidays’ at this time of year. With the overlap of Jewish, Hindu, Christian, Kwanzaa and winter solstice celebrations Happy Holidays is a polite way to recognize the beliefs of others. It’s also lazy. Unless you’re addressing a large group or people you don’t know very well… Happy Holidays is fine. But I made the effort to wish my Jewish friends a Happy Hanukkah earlier this month, my East Indian friend received Happy Diwali back in October. My Christian friends are wished a Merry Christmas and fellow atheists get Happy Holidays. As for Ms.Totenberg… I don’t think she was being deliberately provocative just being politically correct (which is often a hollow gesture). If she was at a Christmas Party she should just say so… it is what it is. Don’t apologize for being at a Christmas Party, just call it what it is.

  • American Citizen

    A Merry, Happy and Blessed Christmas to all of you. May you have a prosperous New Year full of good health.

  • Dave.

    Ditto “A Merry, Happy and Blessed Christmas to all of you.”
    In 2011, we need to return to the source of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness – Jesus Christ.
    While we have freedoms left, we need to begin doing what we can with what we have. Begin putting into practice what you’ve learned from His Holy Word, helping your neighbor, loving your Lord and Savior by loving your family, co-workers, community, praying for those defending us, those in positions of responsibility, authority, confessing our sins (personal and corporate) and seeking forgiveness, mercy and grace that he who can might forgive us and heal our land.

    • Sylvia

      Amen, amen and amen! Merry Christmas everyone!

  • Sylvia

    And may the blessings of the holy Lord Jesus our Lord and His Christ be upon us all.

  • Tony

    Has anybody asked Nina if she is so offended by the word Christmas what was she doing at a Christmas party in the first place.

    • libertytrain

      Networking. She envied Juan Williams new paycheck and is hoping to enhance hers.

  • DaveH

    There is one reason and one reason only that Liberals are trying to push Religion out of our society. That is because Religion competes with Liberals for Power. With Religion in the way, Liberals can’t just walk all over us like they would like.
    What is the first thing the Communists in Russia did? Get rid of Religion. What is the first thing the Communists in China did? Get rid of Religion.
    Socialists can only work their magic by theft and force. The Christian Religion, at least, stands in the way of their theft and force.
    Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ. And Christ was one of the most influential figures in the history of mankind. He was certainly more influential than Martin Luther King. Yet, I do not hear of the Liberals trying to end the Martin Luther King holiday.
    Keep in mind that I am an atheist. I do not believe there is any God. But I do believe that Jesus Christ was a great man who did a lot of good for mankind. Sure, there have been many leaders who have used his name to commit atrocities, but their misuse of his teachings do not reflect negatively on the concept of Christianity.
    I shudder to think what kind of man-eat-man world will be created if the Liberals succeed in stamping out Christianity. We already know Liberals disdain morality. With the Christians gone, who is going to teach our citizens to be respectful of their fellow humans’ bodies and property?

    • Sheldon

      I agree Dave. Christianity, at least in its infancy was spread because of its positive message. Unlike Islam, the earliest forms of Christianity was not spread by the sword. Christ was a positive role-model who taught love and tolerance and equality. Mohammed was interested only in creating a religion that gave Arabs and Arab men power over others… especially women. Mohammed’s religion has always been spread through oppression and war. I don’t need a religion to teach me morality, or threaten me to be good or else. BUT, at its core Christianity is certainly a morality of peace love and understanding that is hard to ignore. For whatever it represents to you… Merry Christmas.

      • DaveH

        Merry Christmas to you Sheldon.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, I hope you and your family have a very Merry Christmas and a safe and wonderful New Year.

      • eddie47d

        Dave H.always has to get carried away in his liberal bashing;it must be a power trip for him ,”we already know liberals disdain morality”. You are a putz and cleverly manipulative for saying that but it is what you do best.

        • DaveH

          And you, Eddie, are a Jerk who believes in forcing his way on others. Don’t waste your childish manipulative name-calling on me, Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            I’m only practicing your lead Mr name caller. What false pride you have!

      • eddie47d

        Sheldon,I agree that Christ is a positive role model and taught love,tolerance and equality in mankind. He is endearing to billions. I also have nothing against Muslims people even when I don’t agree with how their religion started. ( It was founded by man who resorted to violence to gain control). Unfortunately Christians don’t get a free pass on the violence issue and that is no fault of Jesus Christ. I just finished a story on Hypathia who was an Egyptian scholar.She respected all religions but did not want a personal part of any.Her story takes place around 369 AD. Christians and Jews were in the majority in Alexandria but under Roman law and government. Hypathia worked in the library and was an astronomer who determined that the earth rotated around the sun and other discoveries of the heavens. Because of rumors and hatred by believers and non- believers alike she was targeted as a witch. That meant certain death but someone had to get a religious war going in order to accomplish that. Christians attacked Jewish businesses and killed hundreds and this went on for a few years. The Jews retaliated and killed Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the death of Christ and finally most Jews of Egypt were wiped out. Then they sacked the library and burned all the books(papers)and tore much of the library down. Hypathia was captured by the Christians and stoned to death. They said she had no business being in charge of the library in a mans world. The fact that she wouldn’t convert to Christianity was the biggest factor. Not only did they kill her but destroyed vast amounts of knowledge about the known world. It was 850 years later when another astronomer “discovered” what she had known. Christians can be cruel and have been just as mean as most religions. They kill Jews ,destroy knowledge and kill those that don’t convert and they went against Christ’s teachings. We modern Christians may be far more tolerant but we can’t run from our past anymore than Muslims can. There are many reasons to accept others and doings so without conflicting with your own beliefs. It’s necessary for the survival of mankind and even the Christian faith.

        • http://none Mike

          Eddie, The key word in all of this is Religon. The very thing Jesus fought his hardest battles against. To hear you talk I wonder if you have been reading the words of my pastor.Religon not christanity as a whole has committed many crimes throughout the recorded history of our world. Once safe in a dogma the ignorant can easily step out of their religon and destroy others that believe diffrently from them. This goes for almost every established religon from the beggings of time. What Jesus asked us to do was step out of our dogmas and step into the reality that we are all humans. Thus imperfect in our beliefs. He asked us to live our lives according to a set of values. The most important of which was love.Values are not Religon.

          Its not by chance that the formula for Joy is Jeasus Others and self. Ask yourself the next time you go to cast a stone whether you have been guilty of bad thoughts. I sure have.If we were to simply put others needs before our own there would be no need for welfare in this world.We are by nature self centered though and this nature is very hard to overcome.

          So this holiday season remember this simple formula. Jesus Others and self. And you just might find that the greatest gift you recive is PEACE Mike L.

          • eddie47d

            Amen and God Bless everyone.

  • marvin

    MERRY CHRIST BIRTH DAY TO ALL AND may you be blessed in the new year,just remimber god never changes he was, he is, and will be the reason for the season,for mortal man is just a speck in the sands of time, here today and goin tomorrow,but the son of man is eternal,and will set in judgment of all that say he is not real, and them that mock him,he will say go i never knew you

  • JeffH

    The following are the ten reasons why liberals hate Christians:
    1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.
    2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.
    3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their “feelings” then they are with what is right for others.
    4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.
    5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.
    6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.
    7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.
    8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.
    9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.
    10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses:
    “But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” – 1 Corinthians 2:14

    Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that confesses the Son has the Father also. -1 John 2:22-23

    Rather than lashing out with the same old personal attacks, open your heart to The Jesus of the bible, call on him to save you and he will.

    • S.C.Murf

      Amen (I believe), thanks JeffH and may Jesus fill your families hearts with the Holy Spirit and keep you safe in the new year.

      up the hill
      AIRBORNE (this ones for fast eddie)

      • eddie47d

        Merry Christmas to you Murf. I see you have been a good boy for at least a day and the Lord let you out of hell. You might be proof that God forgiviths.

        • S.C.Murf

          Merry Christmas eddie, hope you and yours stay safe and warm

          up the hill bud
          airborne

      • JeffH

        S.C.Murf, may you and your family have a safe and very Merry Christmas.

    • eddie47d

      Since you lie about liberals all the time Jeff I think you’ll be on that bended knee for a long time. Call me if you need help getting up.

      • JeffH

        eddie,

        1st things first. Prove me wrong? You can’t. Just read the responses by the liberals on this website…nuff said!

        2nd. Why would you think I would ask someone like you, who has had a twisted fetish and vision of a man in a black dress, purple panties and black high heels, for any help?

        You are the lost and helpless soul here, not I!

        • JeffH

          …and now it over a bended knee? Whew!

        • eddie47d

          That was months ago Jeff and you still can’t see the humor in it and probably can’t remember why I said it. Maybe your just trying to forget what that silver tongue of yours said to get that response. LOL

          • JeffH

            No eddie, you said it so that only means you’ve thought it. I’m just reminded of how sick a puppy you really are, You are the epitome of hypocrisy and such a mental midget most of the time. I can only imagine the type of respect you get from family and acquaintances. Like most, they probably laugh behind your back too.

        • Angel Wannabe

          eddie, you offer little else, so why not trash people huh?__You find one or three people at most who sides with you on this site, a couple other small minded Progressives and “BANG you da man”! Ya act like your are sumthin!__my Dad used to call guys like you someone with “Little Mans Syndrom”. Ya gotta tear someone else down to make yourself feel better__We can all do that too eddie, its easy when you hiding behind a computer screen,and no one can see, isn’t it eddie?__or ya wait til most folks are in bed and then ya go online to do your dirty work, when your pratically guaranteed little response__ Little Man’s Syndrom eddie, grow up son!

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, you are definitely on to something. eddie is a dimwit at best and when people just ignore his 7th grade mentality he thinks he’s on top of the world. Call him out on his generalities and contradictions and he runs like a scared weasel. Now he’s trying to make an excuse for his homo erotic thoughts. Such a waste of human flesh.

          • eddie47d

            It will take a long time before I have any respect for you Jeff. I’m not scared to be in the minority on this site. You can hide behind those right wing threads you love putting up and act like the big man but don’t flatter yourself so much. Since you constantly print disparaging words about me it doesn’t show much credibility for you. You are a shallow bitter old man who has a hard time thinking for himself. Your game plan is to drive “liberals” off this site so only your slick propaganda reigns supreme. Sorry buddy that doesn’t cut it in America. Does that say a mouth full of what you really want???

          • JeffH

            Naw eddie, your just classless and prefer your stupidity to common sense. Fortunately, you can’t edit what you print so that means everyone gets to see that you’re responsible for what you say no matter how far you run. I back my stuff up with the facts and don’t have to lie like you and the other libs that have a propensity to do. Respect? Ain’t gonna happen. I have plenty and give it freely. To get respect you have to give respect…you, hah, not a chance in hell. As for bitter, naw…not at all…you’ll have to look in the mirror on that one. Old? This old man could pimp slap you into reality given the opportunity.

            Eddie you’re nothing more than a classic coward.

            Can you hear all the laughing behind your back? It’s only your family and aquaintances laughing at your 6th grade mentality.

          • JeffH

            eddie also says: “Your game plan is to drive “liberals” off this site so only your slick propaganda reigns supreme. Sorry buddy that doesn’t cut it in America. Does that say a mouth full of what you really want???”

            A “game plan” conspiracy theory? That’s a new one.
            Propaganda? You’ve swallowed the whole bowl of leftist propaganda!
            What doesn’t cut it in America eddie? The fact that I don’t support liberalism, socialism, Marxism and communism unlike yourself and speak against them and do my best to describe and expose them eddie?

            I detect a certain amount of jealousy going on with you.
            Can you hear the laughter now? It’s only your family and acquaintances (you’ve probably got no freinds) laughing.

          • JeffH

            eddie, one more little thing.

            I’m finished with you, you’ve been way to easy a “mark”! No more “childsplay” with you and no more responses, acknowledgements or otherwise.

            That’s a promise to you and everyone on this website.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey JeffH, let’s see what the other side has to say,

      You claim the following are the ten reasons why liberals hate Christians:

      How much research did you do Jeff? Ohhhhhh, I get it! You made it up or copied it from someplace else. Well, let’s see what you’ve made up.

      From Jeff: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.

      Really… Which is the real absolute word of your god? “God hates fags” from the Phelps or the marriage and commitment cemornies from Spong? That certainly doesn’t look absolute to me. Maybe it is YOU and your bunch who are absolute, but prove you are true christians to Bishop Spong.

      Jeff goes again: 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.

      Certainly ther eis immorality. All those priests who insist that a woman must die for her fetus or all those christian priests who raped little kids… I say those things are immoral. Well, maybe you don’t see them as such.

      Here goes Jeff again: 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their “feelings” then they are with what is right for others.

      Why Jeff, you almost hit it but in fact you did miss it. It certainly does make me feel good that those who need health can get it im the industrialized world. I’m sad that Americans are denied health because the right wing christians are denying that health care and people are dying because of it. What is in fact right, even part of the very right to life, is to give people that life, not deny it.

      4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.

      That’s easy to do. Bishop Spong is marrying same sex couples and Phelps tells us how his christian god hates them. Who am I suppposed to believe? Particularly when so many from the right can only be counted upon to call people names, tell others what those on the left think without knowing what is really thought of, and just plane lying.

      5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

      I’ll bet sending them to hell is a loving thing?
      Sending gays to the front lines to die is a loving thing?

      6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.

      Yup, if I SEE it I might believe after thinking about it. BELIEVE and then you will see is just plane dumb in my eyes.

      On and on goes Jeff: 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.

      Nixon was a criminal, Bush drove this country into a recession, and the right got us into two wars.

      Jeff continues: “They see Christians as intellectually inferior.”

      Clue: Common sense! Seeing works much better than believing first. Can you show me your god? Can you get it so I can hear him? IOW, your god’s word comes through YOU and I don’t believe you because your just made up a bunch of “reasons” for the left that just aren’t true.

      9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

      What can’t you do that involved your religion because of the secular nature of the American Constitution? Befor you answer that one… Would you allow parts of the koran to be posted in a courtroom? What about something from “Drawing Down the Moon, or the Sacred Challace?

      10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel.

      Not blind, just ignoring you. Two different concepts.

      Jeff says; Consider the following bible verses:

      Naw, I’m not going to bother. The christian bible has been so corupted that anything can be gotten from it.

      Check this out: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Slaves+Catichism&form=HPDTDF&pc=HPDTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

      A SLAVE CATECHISM

      Control of the slave was exercised through religion, whether encouraged as a type of escape from the trouble of the world or used as a form of indoctrination. The all-slave church gave birth to the spirituals with their apparent emphasis on a promised land in the hereafter. The spirituals, however, may not have been so “otherworldly” as, at first blush, they sounded. They were susceptible of double meanings, and undoubtedly many slaves interpreted the language of the spirituals in a manner unsuspected by white listeners. In slave-attended churches with white pastors, a special catechism, of which the following is an example, was prepared for the darker brother.

      Q. WHO KEEPS THE SNAKES AND ALL BAD THINGS FROM HURTING YOU?

      A. GOD DOES.

      “Paul had gathered a bundle of brushwood and was putting it on the fire, when a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand. When the natives saw the creature hanging from his hand, they said to one another, “This man must be a murderer; though he has escaped from the sea, justice has not allowed him to live.”He, however, shook off the creature into the fire and suffered no harm.” (Acts 28:3-5)

      Q. WHO GAVE YOU A MASTER AND A MISTRESS?

      A. GOD GAVE THEM TO ME.

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart,
      just as you would obey Christ. (Eph. 6:5)

      Q. WHO SAYS YOU MUST OBEY THEM?

      A. GOD SAYS I MUST.

      “Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord.” (Col. 3:22) “Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back…” (Ti. 2:9)

      Q. WHAT BOOK TELLS YOU THESE THINGS?

      A. THE BIBLE

      Q. HOW DOES GOD DO ALL HIS WORK?

      A. HE ALWAYS DOES IT RIGHT.

      God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good. (Gen. 1:25)

      Q. DOES GOD LOVE TO WORK?

      A. YES, GOD IS ALWAYS AT WORK.

      By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. (Gen. 2:2-3)

      Q. DO THE ANGELS WORK?

      A. YES, THEY DO WHAT GOD TELLS THEM.

      Q. DO THEY LOVE TO WORK?

      A. YES, THEY LOVE TO PLEASE GOD.

      “Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, obedient to his spoken word.” (Ps. 103:20)

      Q. WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT YOUR WORK?

      A. HE THAT WILL NOT WORK SHALL NOT EAT.

      “For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies, not doing any work. (2 Thess. 3:10-11)

      Q. DID ADAM AND EVE HAVE TO WORK?

      A. YES, THEY HAD TO KEEP THE GARDEN.

      The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. (Gen. 3:15)

      Q. WAS IT HARD TO KEEP THE GARDEN?

      A. NO, IT WAS EASY.

      Q. WHAT MAKES THE CROPS SO HARD TO GROW NOW?

      A. SIN MAKES IT.

      Q. WHAT MAKES YOU LAZY?

      A. MY WICKED HEART.

      Q. HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR HEART IS WICKED?

      A. I FEEL IT EVERYDAY.

      “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? (Acts 5:3)

      Q. WHO TEACHES YOU SO MANY WICKED THINGS?

      A. THE DEVIL.

      Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. (Luke 22:3)

      Q. MUST YOU LET THE DEVIL TEACH YOU?

      A. NO, I MUST NOT.

      *The Negro American: A Documentary History, copyright 1967

      Return to Juneteenth page!

      • JeffH

        Rob, I seem to have hit a sore spot with you as you troll around the website. Must be tough to be as miserable a commie S.O.B. as you are.

        Liberal commies like you don’t really hate war, but you demonstrably DO hate freedom — and America, too. What else do commie Liberals hate? If you love something or someone, you usually want to keep it around, preserve and protect it, even nurture it and watch it grow strong and flourish. If, on the other hand, you hate something, you generally want to get rid of it, banish it, or maybe even kill it.

        My Mama always told me, “Actions speak louder than words.” So what have been the Commie Liberals’ consistent attitudes and actions toward God? Frankly they have been pretty hostile.

        In the early 1960s, the atheists and the ACLU combined to convince the Supreme Court to ban both formal prayer and Bible reading from the public education process.
        Once they had successfully kicked God out of school, the Liberal secular humanists went after God’s laws in the public square. Yet for 40 years Liberals have fought religiously (oxymoron) to remove all reference to these God-ordained decrees from schools and courthouses across the land. A new generation of super-secular Scientists replaced the Biblical account of Divine Creation as a manifestation of God’s handiwork with the logically absurd theory that we humans have evolved from apes (recently) and pond scum (ultimately). No inquiring open minds here: nothing but vintage Darwin will do for these Liberal commie denizens of our academic ivory towers. In some places, judges have taken swearing on the Bible out of the courtroom: no more “So help me, God” oaths allowed. Now there is an effort afoot to take “In God We Trust” off of our money, and “One Nation, under God” out of the Pledge of Allegiance.

        One of the usual suspects on the Anti-Religious Left, spokesman Rob Boston of the heretical Americans United for Separation of Church and State, has even complained about some Evangelical Christian chaplains who “are not supposed to be proselytizing on the government dime.” Imagine that — a Christian chaplain who might dare to tell people about God! It’s simply scandalous.

        Let a high school Valedictorian utter the name of Jesus, or a preacher pray before the Friday night football game, and the ACLU is hell-bent for Federal Court. Santa Claus and Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer are OK for our children, but don’t let anybody be assaulted by the sight of that Baby in the Manger.

        If these warped, God-rejecting commie Liberals have their way, eventually they will completely banish God from all public life . . . period. You don’t treat something or someone you love this way. You only act this way toward things you hate.

        • Robert Smith

          JeffH says: “You don’t treat something or someone you love this way.”

          Simple Feff, I don’t love the version of the christian god you do.

          Any god I believe in wouldn’t destroy the world and let Noah and his kids live.

          Any god I love wouldnl’t destroy a couple of cities.

          Any god I love wouldn’t advocate killing gays.

          Any god I believe in wouldn’t stop the choices of folks in abortion, a drug of choice, or whether or not to die when this life becomes horrible.

          Rob

  • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

    I don’t want to get off the subject but does anyone believe that J Napolitano is qualified for this position, We know that Obama will not close the border and Janet is just a Puppet. I believe that Neither has the qualifications tp operate a dog pound. What do you thing. They don’t mind spending American lives to protect the illegals, So what’s up with these anti Americans.

    • MashedTaters

      You are correct. They want to do several tasks at once with the illegals. One, expand government by spending and regulating to “solve”, medicate, educate, feed, and imprison if needed the problem. Next, they want the possible FICA and other taxes that the illegals may pay while here. Hopefully, they will return home and not “tax” the US government with their needs later in life. Also, they want the illegal vote. Small wonder that spanish surname politicians are in office in the West, SW, and Florida along with some larger cities in the North. At first, the Republicans thought that the immigrants would be a new base because most of them are conservative as compared to our liberals and democrats, because they valued thrift, and because they at least had a concept of God unlike our godless, Satanical, wiccan, pagan, and aethist Democractic demons. Sadly, a few government handouts later, and they have flipped to the dark side. They also figure into economic plans because they or more specifically their numbers justify an exspansion of the monetary base which every spendo demo loves along with a rising number of neo-progressive RINO’s. There are more reasons that I cannot think of now or just do not know. At the bottom of the list is our government’s compassion to a fellow human in a nearby foreign country.

      Cheap labor is one that is obvious but I will list it anyway.

  • JeffH

    Why do Liberal Communists sympathizers demand respect? Beats the hell out of me. These people’s whole job is the unflinching pursuit of “truth” no matter where it may lead, and we’re supposed to credit them for their “good will” when they parrot an abstract ideology while discreetly ignoring what happens every time it’s implemented?

    The amazing part is that if you switch the subject to America…it’s “poof” they can magically recite a laundry list of American trespasses -real and imagined- against humanity. All while enjoying the best standard of living imaginable in America. The stupid, it burns.

    • Robert Smith

      Why do right wing religious nits demand respect for something others can’t see?

      Get your god on stage! At least the Scientologists were able to do that with L. Ron Hubbard. Isn’t your god at least as powerful as that guy?

      Rob

      • JeffH

        La de da de da! Hit a little to close to home for ya you commie moron?

  • S.C.Murf

    Well I’ve read just about every post and my eye’s are blurring, and I would like to interject what I have learned over the years. Please bear with me. Not to offend but Christmas is a pagan holiday. It was started so many years ago to celebrate winter solstice, celebrating our sun, hence the Christmas wreaths shaped like the sun also the round bulbs we decorate the tree with etc.. It was a time to give gifts and celebrate with family. And it is true that Christ was born sometime in the early fall. What we have today at Christmas time is a direct result of capitalism. Now don,t go off the deep end any more than you already have and start saying that murf doesn’t believe cause I do bottom line Jesus Christ IS Lord and no matter how much you disbelieve this it won’t change the fact that HE IS. This time of the year we need to keep Jesus in our lives and celebrate with family and friends, give from the heart to those less fortunate and keep the festive season festive
    The way our country is going where believing in Christ is out and every false god is in should show everyone that we are in trouble. We need to pray for our leaders that they ask God the Father for direction. And since we will ALL be judged,tolerance would be in our best interest. So for now I will pray for the lost souls that post here, I will pray for the souls that believe in Christ that post here and I hope you ALL have a very merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year and Jesus finds all of you in good health

    up the hill
    airborne

    • Al Sieber

      S.C. Murf, I have to agree with you, because of the different calendars through the ages, I’ve read somewhere Jesus was born in March.

  • JeffH

    To all my fellow patriots and new found friends and even the liberal hacks…Have a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous and Happy New Year.

    • libertytrain

      You too, Jeff.

    • Karolyn

      Despite our differences, we are all Americans and love this country. Have a wonderful Christmas and the best New Year ever!

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, thank you. I wish only the best for you and hope your current job situation improves for the coming year. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

  • http://none Mike

    Christmas story for thoes of you that are so inclined to read the bible. We see Jhon 3:16 alot but the true story starts at 9 and continues through 17. This details the greatest gift ever given. The gift of eternal spirtual life. Not our mortal shells.

    For thoes without a bible. This is the KJV translation.
    Jhon 3:9Nicodemus answered and said uto him. How can these things be?3:10Jesus answerd and said unto him.Art thou a master of Israle and knowest not these things?3:11 Verily verily I say uto you.We speak what we do know and testify that we have seen and ye recive not our witness 3:12I have told you eartly things and ye believe not. How shall you believe if I tell you of heavenly things? 3:13 And no man hath assended up to heaven but he thatcame down from heaven. Even the son of man which is in heaven 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness.Even so must the son of man be lifted up 3:15 That whosoevre believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life
    3:16 For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That whosoever beliveth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. 3:17 (and somewhat important to the conversation we have been haveing)For God sent not into the world to condem the world. But that the world through him might be saved.

    Once you realise that Nicodemus was an important Jewish leader at the time this took place. You start to see Jesus’s point. He came to this earth as a witness to gods power and glory. But he did not come here to condem us. Only we can do that for ourselves if you really think about it. If we choose we can follow this worlds views that there is nothing left after this mortal life we have. Or we can choose to belive that there is more to it than this mortal shell. Jesus did not waste his time on un-belief he only told his message and moved on to the next. He knew from the day he was born unto a mortal life that he was to die a horrible death. But he also knew that with this horrible death he was to conqure the grave and arise again. This knowledge gave him the strength to face this death and not shirk from it. What then I ask you is the greater gift? Is it the store bought tinsel and trees? Is it the next best video game or tv? No its the gift of knowing through Jesus that we never die and through belief we can go on to our greater glory in heaven. Through Jesus I can face all things. How about you?

    Sorry for the sermon but I just thought through all the comments we lost track of the meaning of Christmas. Wishing everyone a joyful Merry Christmas and a Blessed new year. Mike L.

    • http://none Mike

      oops 3:17 For god sent not his son into the world to condem the world. But that the world through him might be saved. Mike L.

    • eddie47d

      Thanks for those thoughts Mike and no matter how religious a person thinks he is we can still use a good refresher course.

      • http://none Mike

        Eddie, I can only hope that more read and understand it. It seems to me today we pick apart the bible and take it out of context so it fits this or that belief system.Mike L.

  • MashedTaters

    Mr. Crystal goes out beyond the wire and takes a few shots at Kwanzaa. I bet ole Bob L. was not with him. Too close to being racist remarks. And please explain the white girl overbite dance. I do not stay up to date on all this trash talk although I do know why they call cocaine “white girl”.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/author/ben-crystal/ Ben Crystal (Yep, that’s right.)

      Noting the history of Kwanzaa (it was created in 1966) is hardly racist.

      As for the “white-woman’s overbite,” I have a difficult time believing you’ve never heard the phrase “white man’s overbite” as a description for poor dancing. I simply altered it to be more cognizant of Ms. Totenberg’s gender.

      I’m all about the sensitivity.

      Ho. Ho. Ho.

      • libertytrain

        Funny you said exactly what I was going to say. Since you are the author I do appreciate your reply. And Merry Christmas, Ben.

      • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

        Ben Crystal,

        You are right.It was a result of political correctness.

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Eleanor

    May we all coexist peacefully and objectively regardless of the ultimate goal. Pray for our soldiers to return safely to a grateful nation in the process hopefully of rebirth and restoration of honor. Merry Christmas and a very healthy and Happy New Year to all.

  • http://yahoo.com chas

    It’s LOOOOOOOOOOONG past time to DE-FUND the BLUE-SHIRTED LIBERAL NAZIZ @ CPR(Commie Broadcast Ststem), NPR( Natl Proletariat Radio), PBS(propaganda Broadcast Network)…

    • Robert Smith

      I’ll bet you feel a RUSH out of that. Maybe a little Savage too.

      Rob

  • Will-CA

    Just a thought for Atheist and Christians alike. If you think about how long this mortal life is compared to eternity. It’s our choice. Free Will!
    God Bless America
    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

    • Karolyn

      Well, I believe in God and reincarnation. There are too many documented incidents of reincarnation for anyone to deny its existence. http://www.reincarnationexperiment.org/casesinprogress.html
      Of particular interest is the one where the little boy know all about WWII planes and talked of crashing and dieing. His father, a Christian, was extremely skeptical; however, the evidence has made him a believer. They actually found out who the dead pilot was using evidence given by the boy.

      • American Citizen

        Some people are psychic and can pick up on the thoughts of other or able to see things as they happen or are about to happen. I have a little of that ability. It does not mean the person was reincarnated. It shows there is life after death and those who’ve gone before us can still communicate with us if we’re open to it. People can dream of events that seem so real because they may have just read about them or seen something on TV. We are at our most vulnerable to receiving psychic thoughts during sleep. But I’ve received a few while wide awake. It always amazes those people when I tell them about it.

        • Karolyn

          In the case of the little boy, he was little and there was no way he could have known the names of planes used during WWII or the facts that he presented.

  • chuckb

    To My Democrat Friends:
    Please accept with no obligation, implied or explicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2011 but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.

    To My Republican Friends:
    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

    • Karolyn

      Very well thought out and presented. :-) Thanks Chuck! Same to you!

    • libertytrain

      How accurate and so nicely done.

  • Claire

    To all the “regulars” and everyone on this site–Merry Christmas to you and your families. May God bless all of you and keep you safe. Christmas is a holy season, the time to celebrate the birth of Christ. It is a season for caring, a time to remember the loved ones that are departed, the joy of sharing, the comfort of family and friends, and being thankful for the love God has bestowed upon us in many various ways. May the blessings of peace and health be upon all of you, and please accept my prayers and wishes for a wonderful Christmas and a very Happy New Year.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Wonderfully said Claire and the same to you and yours, a Very Merry Christmas! :)

    • JeffH

      Thank You Claire. I hope only the best for yourself, Bob and your family, which does include the four legged ones…Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous Happy New Year.

    • libertytrain

      Claire – enjoy every moment of your husband, kids and their kids.

      • JeffH

        libertytrain, have a wonderful and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

    • Karolyn

      Merry Christmas Claire, with prayers that next year will be a better one!

  • chuckb

    Wus da night afo’ Crizzmus, and all thru da hood,
    everybody be sleepin’ and da sleepin’ be good.
    We hunged up our stockins, an hoped like all heck,
    dat Obama Clause soon gonna brang us our check.

    All of da family, was layin’ on da flo’,
    my sister wif her gurlfriend, my brother wif some ho.
    Ashtrays was all full, empty beer cans and all
    when I heared such a fuss, I thunk….”Must be da law”!

    I pulled the sheet off da window and what I’ze could see,
    I was spectin’ the sherrif, wif a warrant fo’ me.
    But what did I see, made me say, “Lawdy look ‘a dat!”
    Dere was a huge sleigh, pulled by eight big-ass rats.

    Now ovah da years, Santy Claws he be white,
    but it looks like us brotha’s got a black un’ tonight.
    Faster than a poeleece car, my homeboy he came,
    and whupped up on dem rats, as he called dem by name.

    On Biden, On Jessie, On Pelosi and Hillary Who,
    On Fannie, On Freddie, On Ayers, and Slick Willy too.
    Obama landed dat sleigh, right there in da street,
    I knowed it fo’ sho’, – can you believe dat sheet?

    He didn’t need no chimney, he picked da lock on my do’,
    an I sez to myself, “Damn he done done dis befo!”
    He had a big bag, full of presents, I speck?
    Wif “Air Jordans” and fake gold to wear roun’ my neck.

    But he left me no presents, started stealin’ my sh%t.
    He got my guns and my crack, and my new burgler kit.
    Den, wif my sh%t in his bag, out da windo’ he flew,
    I sho’ woulda shanked him, but he snagged my blade too!

    He jumped back on dat sleigh, wif out even a hitch,
    and wuz gone in two seconds, dat sonofab%tch!
    So nex year I be hopin’, a white Santy we git,
    ’cause dis black Santy Claws we got just ain’t worf a sh@t!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Great job Chuck ! Merry Christmas to you and to all, even Bob.

    • JeffH

      LMAO! TIt seems the moral of the story is that Obama’s a lying thief!

  • Angel Wannabe
  • chuckb

    angel wannabe

    thank you for the history. i remember them well. time was when our city decorated the streets and homes were lit up with decorations. now all we have are crowded streets and no celebration. the stores are all eager for your purchase, but, to appease a minority, they neglect to say merry xmas. this is still a christian nation and our politicians and the media are trying to take this away from us, we cannot allow a minority to rule the majority. we should return christmas to the schools and to our city governments, those that it offends shouldn’t have come to this country.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Right on chuckb!__I say Merry Christmas anyway now, I’m tired of playin in to the hands of a bunch of spoiled brats who think they’re allowed to tromp on my or anyone elses Freedoms. We’ve bought into the PC stuff for too long, enuffs enuff!_-hey Merry Christmas!

    • Angel Wannabe

      chuckb, Oh Hey_I copied and pasted that rendition of the night before Christmas__That was funny as h*LL!

  • Angel Wannabe

    Awesome Christmas address by Ronald Reagan!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU0tuah-x7M

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Nina; Life is short but Hell is forever. Have fun while you can. You’re a foul old broad who will be worm food in a few years and good ridence to you.

    • crystals10

      gunner689:

      Ditto that… What a piece of work

  • EricX

    You mean someone out there listens to NPR?

    • JimH

      Eric, the Car Talk guys are pretty good. After that there are 6 days and 23 hours of nothing.

  • http://PERSOALLIBERTY Mike W.

    Just wanted to say to ALL………
    MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR and may they both be Happy and Safe.

  • Robert Smith

    And go kill a fag for Jesus, huh Mike?

    Rob

    • JeffH

      One of the “Unhappy People” Rob?

      Unhappy people always want to share their unhappiness with you? It may come in the form of a whine, a complaint, a rant, or sanctimonious “constructive criticism,” but come it most certainly will.

      The thing to remember when an unhappy person begins spraying unhappiness is this: It’s not really about you. It’s about them. And the wounds they carry. So try not to internalize it.

      Roy H. Williams
      The MondayMorningMemo

    • JimH

      Rob, If Mike should kill a fag for Jesus, are you going to go kill an unborn for Satan?

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Jim,

        Satan is a Christian thing. I don’t buy into ANY part of it.

        As far as killing the unborn I’m of the opinion that abortion should be available AND safe. I’m not qualified to perform that particular legal procedure. I can let folks know where to call though.

        BTW, if you had someone stay after a party and DEMAND that you give them EVERYTHING they need for the next 9 months what would you do to that person? Simply because they demand your assetts would you give them to those who demand? Isn’t that stealing if you don’t want to give? I’ll bet you would call gunner and 45 and have a conversation that ends in “BANG!”

        All women want is a conversation with their doctor that ends with a period.

        Yours seems way more violent than hers.

        Rob

  • JimH

    Rob, Satan is known as the great deceiver. Count yourself(even though your ego won’t alow it) as on of the deceived. You make a great asumtion about wanting someone dead because they want something of mine, even for nine months. As far as a safe abortion goes, it is ALWAYS fatal for the baby. You say killing unborn humans is ok, I say babys both unborn and born should be protected under the law. My way(letting the baby live) is more violent than hers?(killing a baby because of her own selfishness) To use your after a party analogy, both guests were unwanted, but she participated in an activity that brought that unwanted guest in by her own consent and now has to take responsabilty for her own reckless behavior, I only have to evict a tresspasser. NONE deserve ti DIE. WE’ve had this debait before, Rob and all of you points you tried to make are lame.

    • Robert Smith

      JimH says: “Satan is known as the great deceiver.”

      Of you. I don’t believe in him, don’t hear him, don’t see him, anymore than I do your god.

      “Count yourself(even though your ego won’t alow it) as on of the deceived. ”

      Thanks but NO thanks. I’m not playing your word game. I simply don’t believe in your god or your satan. Get it… I DO NOT BELIEVE.

      “You say killing unborn humans is ok,”

      Not everyone buys into YOUR religion where it is “human.” Get one out at 3 months and see if it can talk, think, or do anything except maybe be your kind of christian.

      “My way(letting the baby live) is more violent than hers”

      Nope YOUR way is having joined with the other christians around here and advocating killing thousands by denying them health care. Conception to birth and then you forget about them.

      How dare you proclaim that you are “pro-life” as thousands die without health care.

      Rob

  • JimH

    Rob, Your rant makes no sense at all. The DNA is human, it’s growing, there for it’s alive. He or She is a living human,religious belief or not.
    You don’t see, or hear Satan,so in your limited mind he must not exist. You don’t see,hear, taste,feel or smell gamma radiation, but it exists. You may not believe in Satan,but you know evil exists.( you know, like mothers killing their own unborn babies, stuff like that)
    What is the rant about Christians or Pro Lifers deneying people health care? Do you know how many Catholic hospitals there are? Do you know how many Christian charities there are,providing health services? That statment is pure BS and you know it. Yes, Rob, I donate to those charities and I do DARE to claim to be “Pro-Life”.
    What you believe is wrong no matter what lies you want to believe or truths you don’t want to believe.
    I see you ignore some of my points, because you really can’t refute them. You also misquote the statement I make when you TRY to refute it. Some things you just lie about.
    Face it, just because you don’t want to believe in God(capitol G), or Satan dosn’t make them not real. Abortion is Killing humans.(how inconvenient) Pro-Lifers and Christians aren’t denying anyone healthcare.

  • Jill

    She said WHAT?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    get these nonchristian muslim bitches far leftists out of the country they belong with the hater mid eastern countries and baby killers

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