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Hand Over The Gavel, Nancy

November 17, 2012 by  

Nice job, Barry. Scraping the bottom of the barrel for SecDef. Bono “plugs in.” All this — plus: panties! Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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    • walter agard

      Ben crystal,I taught of you better than that.Women have a right to their own opinion too. It is not right to hate no one for that.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        walter agard, Please cite in which segment Ben harassed women’s opinion?

        You libtards as always chasing the black cat in the dark room when the cat NEVER was there.
        Re-phrasing Forrest Gump: “STUPID IS AS STUPID TALKS”

        And the Holy Book states “A fool has no delight in understanding, but in EXPRESSING HIS OWN HEART.” (Proverbs)

        Walter, wise up!
        BTW, opinion ≠ FACT.

      • sam1966

        Do you mean this woman also Walter?

        Sorry dude, but she needs to keep her yap shut, Pelosi that is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of countrty and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”

        John McCain 2008

    • Twas_was

      Those sideburns and goatee? 90′s are over dude!

  • Karolyn

    “He-woman manhater’s club?” Sounds more to me like Ben has his own “He-man womanhaters’ club” with all his jibes at women. What’s the matter Ben? Have something against women? Oh, sorry, is it only democrat women? We should all be proud that there are more and more women in the government. If there was a majority of women (reps and dems), our country would be run a hell of a lot better.

    • David

      Ben means quality, not quantity. We could laugh at Pelosi all day. And Kerry as Secdef is a really scary thought. The man who hates the military in charge thereof? The man who built a multi-million dollar house that has a higher carbon footprint than the town of Billings, Montana? The global warming hypocrite? You libs voted for it, no more Bush excuses. It’s ALL yours!

      • Chief

        Might as well have a military hating sec of defence as a military hating commander-in-chief what next? Boy do they make a pair. May GOD have mercy on us is all that is left.

      • eddie47d

        He would make a great Sec of Defense and he doesn’t hate the military. He doesn’t run from the truth about why we go to war and doesn’t cover up atrocities committed by American troops. I’d vote for anyone who exposes all our false flag wars and the devious NWO leaders who get us into them.

      • JeffH

        Anybody remember this petition to Kerry from Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth.

        To: Senator John Kerry (D-MA)

        Upon your return from Vietnam, you betrayed your fellow veterans by accusing them of engaging in horrendous war crimes. Through your post-war activities, and during Senate testimony viewed by the entire nation, you created and nurtured the myth that American soldiers in Vietnam were involved in such crimes on a daily basis, and that such activity was sanctioned by our commanding officers. Specifically, you stated that we: “had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, [and] razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan.”

        You continue today to make claims of atrocities for which you have no documentation, no support, and no evidence.

        You met with North Vietnamese officials in Paris and worked with them in the furtherance of their political and military objectives against the United States.

        As you now seek to become Commander in Chief of our armed forces, we believe it is incumbent upon you to better explain to the American public your conduct in this matter. Specifically, we ask you to:

        Acknowledge to the American public that you did not personally witness any such atrocities or, in the alternative, cite such examples and then provide an explanation of what actions you took relative to these alleged war crimes.

        Explain to the American public the nature and extent of war crimes in which you participated.

        Explain to the American public your justification for contacting and working in conjunction with a foreign government then at war with the United States.

        Provide an acknowledgment and apology to the American veterans for your all encompassing accusations, and more specifically to our POWs for any extensions of their internment caused by your actions.

        Personally respond factually to the challenges made against your service in Vietnam by some 275 men who served with you.
        Senator Kerry, the vast majority of the men who served with you, and the entire chain of command, have refuted your representations of your conduct in Vietnam. To date, you have repeatedly refused to respond to these statements, electing instead to have professional political operatives flood the media with efforts to discredit these former comrades. We want to hear from you.

        We the undersigned consider your response on these five points to be critical to this nation’s decision to entrust our military forces to you. If you betrayed us once, we need to be assured that you will not do it again.

        It is time for you to set the record straight.

        signed: Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth

        Believe you me, Kerry’s recent partisan attack aimed at the Swift Boat Vets won’t sit well with present and former military either.

        Swift Boat Vets have vowed to regroup if John Kerry Is nominated as Secretary of Defense.

        If Obama picks John Kerry to be his next secretary of defense, it will be a slap in the face against our military. Kerry probably commands less respect from our warriors than any man in Washington. Why would Obama intentionally select a man so disdained by our men and women in uniform? It’s gotta be because he has an equal disdain for our military.

        When America faced a potential President John Kerry in 2004, the Swift Boat Veterans stepped up to the plate and saved us from such a catastrophe. They do not plan to sit quietly by while Obama attempts to put the title “secretary of defense” in front of Kerry’s name.

      • Vigilant

        Excellent posting, JeffH!

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d said:

        “I’d vote for anyone who exposes all our false flag wars and the devious NWO leaders who get us into them.”

        Kerry “IS” NWO, Ya Dupe!!! Groomed from birth to enslave the masses for the good of the collective according to their wishes.

      • Michael J.

        Unfortunatly, the sky is now the limit for “That One”. Those who’ve previously postulated that weapons confiscation would be the last straw have been circumvented. The last straw should have been voting machine ownership.

        “It’s enough that people know that there was an election. People that cast votes decide nothing, people that count votes decide everything.”
        Joseph Stalin

        What if the next question to appear on ballots is:
        Should semi auto fire arms be confiscated?

        Predictably, the manipulated broadcast results would afirm confiscation. And what’s worse is that bubbling media drones would proclaim that we voted for it and that the people have spoken.

        On another note, even media on the right who have diligently scrutinized every aspect of the liberal progressive lefts activities have not given a second thought as to the validity of recent election results.
        Is this because of the volatility potential of public acknowledgement that their vote now means nothing? Is it too scary for even the right’s talking heads to contemplate the remaining contengency left to those who’ve been stripped of their abilities to affect change via the ballot box?

        We are no longer perched on the edge of a precipice, but dangling from it’s edge.

      • eddie47d

        Isn’t it amazing that their is still denial about there being war crimes in Vietnam or any war for that matter. Not every incident is mutual combat and “rouge” troops or units can commit some horrific atrocities. I love all the chatter boxes who say the US gets into several false flag wars yet when someone exposes them you all go ape [expletive deleted]. Even Dave H and Bob have brought that up on several occassions. Those Swift Boat veterans were lied to and then in turn lied to the public to hide what really went on. Because most of our troops serve honorably is no excuse to deny the other events. That is a cop out!

      • Kate8

        Michael J. – Well said.

        I posted a link below which tells why no one is challenging the blatant voter fraud that went on so boldly in this recent election, and which has gone on for a long time.

        It’s very eye-opening. It will really frost your cookies, too.

        You see, this has all been planned by BOTH sides. You know, the ‘good cop/bad cop’ routine.

      • sam1966

        Michael J and Jeff H, well said. I guess some people on this thread have forgotten that John Kerry is the master of the flip-flop. This also caused him to lose the election. But alas! certain individuals have forgotten this also.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “Any person chosen governor, lieutenant-governor, councillor, senator, or representative, and accepting the trust, shall, before he proceed to execute the duties of his place or office, make and subscribe the following declaration, viz”

        ‘I _________, do declare that I believe in the Christian religion….’”

        Chapter 6, Article 1
        Massachusetts State Constitution

      • JeffH

        eddie, those Swift Boat Vets didn’t lie or try to hide anything. Your obvious inability to comprehend their statement and their beef with John Kerry’s deciet and exaggerations are the basis for your negative comments about the SBVets. They niether denied or lied about any attrocities that may or may not have been commited by US troops.

        SBVT stated that “Kerry’s phony war crimes charges, his exaggerated claims about his own service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compel us to step forward.” The group challenged the legitimacy of each of the combat medals awarded to Kerry by the U.S. Navy and the disposition of his discharge. Further, SBVT said that Kerry’s later criticism of the war was a “betrayal of trust” with other soldiers, and that by his activism he had caused direct “harm” to soldiers still at war.

      • eddie47d

        Then don’t ever criticize Bush’s wars or Obama’s foreign excursions then. In other words Jeff stop being a hypocrite!

    • http://BobLivingston Truth Warrior

      Maybe it’s just my imagination but, can you name me, a far left, kook, fringe organization, that’s NOT run by a woman, or have a major role in their promotion? Woman are the 2000 lb. gorilla in the room, that no one will admit they see. The decline of the U.S. started about the same time as womans organizations were being formed. The votes for Obummer were just the latest example of brainless reaction to a situation that was way over their heads. Killing babies is the only subject on single womans minds. Security of the country, financial heath of the country, world interaction and population protection from various dangers don’t even register a blip on their radars. Run the country? Nancy Pelosi is the poster child for you, a totally brainless female that has no idea how stupid she really is. Sort of like yourself.

      • Paul Wells

        pssst…it’s cause they vote with their “lady parts”…

      • B. A. Bonds

        Thank you! I don’t believe I can add anything to your comment, except I wish the men in this country could make enough money to support their family’s, and the women could, or would stay home where they belong and take charge of the house hold.

      • eddie47d

        Truth Warrior wants to go back to the good ol’ days where he could dominate a woman and keep her in in her place. Where they had a manly right to rape women and get away with it. Where a woman was docile and if she spoke up she would be slapped down. Pelosi has 5 well educated kids but that is not enough for Truth Warrior. Nancy has to get back in the bedroom and produce a few more for him before his EGO is bruised any further.

      • eddie47d

        Paul Wells: Its been said many times that men think with their penises so who wins the debate?

      • lady kroft

        …and Paul Wells is not any smarter than Karolyn… as demonstrated by his comment.

      • DaveH

        Families could be supported on one income, BA, if Government wasn’t spending 40% of our GDP. In 1900 Government spent only 6% of our GDP. Given that the GDP is $48,000 per capita, and therefore $150,000 per family, the average family would have $50,000 more per year to spend, instead of Big Government wasting it, if we just rolled the size of Government back to 1900 levels.

      • DaveH

        That’s true, Lady Kroft, if you base that opinion on just one comment. But based on the multitude of comments issued over the months by both, Paul is the Clear winner, hands down.

      • sandman4X4

        That is so true T W! at one time in this Country, only men who owned land were able to vote, and it seems like everything was fine, if you wanted to work and had a job, but not so if you were lazy, and then women recieved the right to vote! and one social program after another has been draining us of needed $$$ to keep out of the red! then the Blacks were able to vote, and the dems, for some reason (un-iformed electerate)got a hugh voter base, now dont get me wrong here folks I believe that anyone with “skin” in the game should be able to vote, but if you are on any welfare, or any gov help, that unlike Social Sec. or Disablility, that you have paid into for many yrs., you should not be able to vote, and you should own land to vote in local elections, because those are the folks that pay the bills, I would go so far as to say any veteran with an honorable discharge should be able to vote land or not. But alas I am but a lone truck driver who has worked all my live from the age of 16, and has been paying taxes since the age of 16, what do I know?

      • Penny

        Agree. Totally. Such a disappointment to see the caliber of women in power. It corrupts and has corrupted too many, and they are mean! Why they are ashamed to stay at home and rear God-loving children, I can’t fathom. Our world would be turned around very quickly if more would contribute to society through raising their families and helping their husbands become God-fearing loving fathers.

      • eddie47d

        How could that be when it has been men who continually throw the world into wars of aggression. Most casualties in any war are women and children not soldiers so who does the majority of that killing?

      • Karolyn

        Amazing, the animosity toward me. :-) Also amazing is the number of people who believe that women should be kept pregnant and barefooted. What about women who don’t want families and want to support themselves? Are they less-than those who stay home and raise families? We all have our own paths. Too bad so many people dislike change. After all, it is inevitable. We can’t go back to the 50s.

        • Tony Newbill

          Karolyn just wait till you get your marching orders from the Muslim Brotherhood as Shariah is our New Law and Order …..

      • Karolyn

        PS – I am no fan of Nancy Pelosi.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “Also amazing is the number of people who believe that women should be kept pregnant and barefooted”.
        Can you cite an example of anybody here saying such a thing, Karolyn?

        • Tony Newbill

          Can anyone tell me what defines the difference between bigotry towards the rich and bigotry towards women and minorities ???

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “Amazing, the animosity toward me”.
        What amazes me, Karolyn, is how you maintain that flower-child self-image in the face of comments like this one:

      • eddie47d

        That only proves that corporates can be extremely selfish,a wee bit greedy and totally out of touch with the real world.John can have all the wealth he wants but he doesn’t have to shaft his workers to achieve that wealth. That is so common with corporate types these days as it was 75 years ago.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, with her dumb cliches, believes all women can have lots and lots of kids. Simple biology of our species dictates that some women will have none, some will have the most 3, some others will have upward of 3 and more, etc..
        She prattles about women’s choices but will not allow for the choices.

      • Jana

        You are so right. Mothers should have the right to decide what they want, stay home and raise (rear) their most precious commodity, their children. When wives and mothers don’t have to go out and make a living, they can and used to help their community by volunteering.
        They volunteered in the schools, (which helped to keep the tax dollars down) they volunteered in many aspects of life which also helped keep our tax dollars down. Now women HAVE to go out and go to work to keep a roof over their head and food on the table.
        Sadly the children suffer from all of this. Who is there when the child comes home from school?
        My kids start talking the minute they come home and I am right there to be able to guide and sometimes reshape their thoughts from what they learned from the liberal teachers and the ‘government school’. I am also there to help with homework. There are snacks for them when they get home (not expensive when you do it yourself) and we have a family dinner each night together. That takes work and planning and time, something a working mom doesn’t have.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, again playing the victim this morning with your touching poor little me lost-dog comments. Trying to hide that you are nothing more than a dreadful bully.

      • JeffH

        Karolyn says “Amazing, the animosity toward me. Also amazing is the number of people who believe that women should be kept pregnant and barefooted.”

        Karolyn, it’s not animosity…it’s that you are a hypocrit and say stupid stuff…and you clearly despise men. You have no problem lumping men into one category, “guilty”, that they are the only abusers and you believe women are the only ones that are abused. That’s your record, the image you’ve portrayed time and again. Your problem is that you try to portray yourself as one thing yet out yourself as being two faced or as I prefer to say, and accurately so, you’re just a hypocrit!
        I don’t hate you though, I just see you for who you are not who you’d like to be.

      • walter agard

        Hello Truth warrior It’s me again.You should not think of women like that.Are you married, do you have sisters ,a mother,aunts, and more women in your family. If you have then you are an imposter.What do you have against Women,don’t they have a say in this world.nancy is a very intelligent woman she did her job very well.You are crazy buddy.

      • Carol J

        You all had the chance to vote for a man for President whose wife did exactly what you require of a woman. She stayed home, took care of her family. She raised 5 boys and also beat cancer. Ann Romney is a much better advocate for women than someone like platic face Pelosi.

      • JeffH

        walter says “nancy is a very intelligent woman she did her job very well.You are crazy buddy.”

        Really? You call someone crazy and you have the audacity to say “Nazi” Pelosi is very intelligent and does her job very well?

        That, folks, is the rationale of a liberal member of the flock.

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – You don’t “know” me at all. Your skewed interpretations of what I say only come from the fact that the spoken word can only convey so much; and it also depends on the person reading what is written. I have nothing against men; however, what i write about the male gender is based on experience and study. And the books I’ve read were not written by women!

      • Karolyn

        It makes me chuckle when I see DaveH posting links to other people’s previous posts. He must have files on every liberal so he can look up the appropriate remarks to suit his purpose. :-)

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – Once again, what are you talking about??? :-)

      • JeffH

        Karolyn says “Jeff – You don’t “know” me at all.”

        Au contraire, but I do…I know you as Karolyn on this website and what I’ve posted is the result of the impression of you that I’ve gotten from your comments.

        You may not like it, but It’s what I see and what I read in your comments.

        Denile ain’t no river in Egypt either.

      • JeffH

        This one Iby K like…”It makes me chuckle when I see DaveH posting links to other people’s previous posts. He must have files on every liberal so he can look up the appropriate remarks to suit his purpose.”

        To suit his purpose? Yeah, you may be right! It’s certainly the best way to tell if a liberl progressive is lying or not and it’s certainly the best way to remind a liberal progressive what they said and don’t want to remember.

        You liberals are always asking for links…well you can’t have it both ways. Live with it.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “It makes me chuckle when I see DaveH posting links to other people’s previous posts. He must have files on every liberal so he can look up the appropriate remarks to suit his purpose. :-)

        His purpose is exposing illogical thought. To do so with credibility rather requires evidence. DaveH provides evidence for his assertions. That is why DaveH has a MUCH higher credibility here than most of those who say they are liberal, or obviously advocate liberal philosophy.

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d said:

        “Paul Wells: Its been said many times that men think with their penises so who wins the debate?”

        I guess that sort of leaves you empty handed?

      • DaveH

        Of course women should be Free to pursue the life-style of their choices. But is that what the Women’s Liberation movement was really all about? I doubt it.
        Consider that the movement was around for many decades but extremely muted. But then in the 70s, coincidentally the same decade when the Government was creating vast amounts of new money and thus rampant inflation, the movement took off. As it turns out, to make a decent living both members of the household then needed to work, thanks to Government pilfering an ever greater portion of our earnings through inflation and taxes. Lo and Behold, the Women’s Liberation movement appeared to convince women that they were “happier” working a forty hour week and leaving their children to be raised by strangers.
        And remember the Chief Sexual Harasser? Where were all those women’s advocates with that sordid episode in our history? There is no more powerful man than the President of the US, and for some strange reason only a very small percentage of those groups uttered anything negative about Clinton. Why would that be? Politics of course, because the Women’s Liberation Groups were not about the women. They were about Liberal Progressive Politics.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – Women’s lib was just another facet of the communist takeover of America. It had to do with the incremental destruction of the family, because the family unit was strong and took precedence over government loyalties. The only way government could become everyone’s source for all would be to destroy the idea of family.

        Much has been done both psychologically and chemically to render us all gender-neutral. Women’s lib had the effect of making women want to be more like men, and to emasculate men to a large degree. You have probably noticed that men on TV sitcoms and commercials are always presented as buffoons, and the woman is always the smart one, the one to get things done. This is about more than being “funny”. It’s not. It’s purposeful.

        Once you have gender-neutrality, you have neutralized the polarity between male/female, the energy which attracts and bonds. Just like with magnets. Same principle. Hence, respect also takes a hit, and no one understands why marriage doesn’t work anymore.

        Then we have the schools (and TV) which portray to kids that they are smarter than their parents… No respect there either… And the eventual result is the erosion of all aspects of family, dependency on government to care for and educate, families who don’t even sit down to supper together anymore, let alone relate on any meaningful level…

        This has all been carefully planned. Until enough of us see this and resolve to do all we can to rebuild our family cohesion, we will continue to decline into the mess in which we’ve found ourselves.

      • sam1966

        Sorry Truth, but my wife Sook Young doesn’t fit the description you have said about women. Now lib women, yes. All women, no. Here is something, if used together with the 14th Amendment, would end all, but a few, abortions in America.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “And that all Persons who also profess to believe in Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the World, shall be capable to serve in this Government in any Capacity, both legislatively and executively…”

        Charter of Delaware 1701

    • B. A. Bonds

      Only another woman could think like that!

    • lady kroft

      Take your whiny cryeee ass somewhere else. Ben is only making fun of politics. He’s not targeting women in general. He says plenty of insulting things about men too. He’s a comedian. Get a clue and stop sniveling. You make us women look bad.

      • Karolyn

        Amazing how easy it is to rile some people! :-)

      • Jana

        Yes Karolyn what is it with you. I noticed how easily you got riled this morning.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn always the great offended. Someone should title a song about the Dems/Progs/Leftists “Always The Great Offended”.

      • eddie47d

        Nadzieja always has a few cocky and self righteous comments herself.Did someone pee in your orange juice this morning and called it kool aid. Drink up sweetie!

      • JeffH

        Kate8, Wow! Yep, I don’t want to see either party in power and your linked article speaks volumes about both parties regarding voter fraud. The Dems can be as fraudulent as they please and the Repubs are powerless to stop them. Go figure?

        Here’s another link Re: D vs R

        Well, Allen West has become a thorn in the side for both parties. Through his lawsuit he now has Florida has Florida’s attention…Three state officials were ordered to St. Lucie County by Secretary of State Ken Detzner – a defendant in the court case West filed Tuesday.

      • JeffH

        OOPS, my misplaced response was to Kate8′s post below this one.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – I am not at all surprised to learn this. The fraud is so blatant and in your face, and still, nothing is done. Not one word from the Republicans. In fact, they haven’t challenged Obama on one single issue that matters.

        Our whole system has become a sham. These idiots deserve nothing more than to be taken somewhere and be tarred and feathered. And then exiled to somewhere really miserable.

        Oh wait. That would be here. Stripped of their wealth, and left to fend for themselves among those whom they’ve betrayed.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, they’re not even putting on a good show anymore. At the end of the day both parties probably gather together for dinner and a few drinks…paid for by you know who…us.

        There’s really omly one sure cure for all of this and Jefferson had it right the first time.

        “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”. Unless a miracle happens.

      • walter agard

        This is a very serious case lady kroft no time for jokes.

      • Karolyn

        Jana – I wasn’t riled at all. Just making a point.

      • Michael J.

        Right, in a perfect world, Obama would have been appointed to be the next ambassador to Benghazi, Libya.

      • sam1966

        Here is an article about how the libtards think they have destroyed conservativism.

        I guess that some people are still getting drunk on the kool aid. I guess that it is time to fight harder for this country than ever before. I’ve already told Sook Young that if Texas secedes from the union, I’ll join up and train their troops. I dare Obama bin Laden to respond. Ooops! I forgot that 5th columners have no cajones. FOR GOD AND COUN TRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “Any person who shall be chosen a member of either House, or appointed to any office or place of trust…shall take the following oath”

        ‘I_______, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, One God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old Testiment and New Testiment to be given by Divine Inspiration.’”

        Article 22, Delaware State Constitution

      • Kate8

        I keep hearing about how Republicans are now planning to appeal more to illegals and other leftist causes. They think the no-show from the conservatives is a sign that they need to veer further left.

        They just don’t get it. They’ve been abandoned by the conservative voters for the opposite reason…because THEY’VE abandoned conservatism too much already. They no longer stand for anything.

        They do not understand that conservatives don’t want to compromise on important values and issues. If they keep up with their determination to join the Left, they are committing suicide.

    • dianiline

      I don’t think he ever makes jibes at women. At least not at normal women.

    • sandman4X4

      What is the mater Karolyn? chill out, the man is a comedian, making a joke! true there is a touch of truth in any good joke, and on the other hand, the truth hurts some people, when it cuts close to the heart, but realy we all need to lighten up, expecaily for the next 4 yrs.!

    • Kate8

      Come on, Karolyn. I can’t stand democrat women, either, and the last things I’d want to see is more of them. Does that make me a woman hater, too?

      Doesn’t matter, though. We will never see the RNC in power again. We all know the dems cheated royally, but the R’s won’t do a thing about it.

      Republicans are legally constrained from questioning even the most blatant voter fraud. Have been for 30 years, by court order.

      If anyone still thinks this whole scenario “just happened”, check this out. The legal documents are available to verify.

      If this doesn’t wake people up, then nothing will.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – You have no democrat women friends? There is not one democrat woman you know that you can stand? Give me a break, Kate. People are people, no matter what their politics.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You’ve taken me out of context. We were talking about women in politics…. Democrat women, specifically. I find them to be arrogant, demeaning and infuriating, like any other liberal.

        I do have democrat friends. We cannot talk politics. I do, however, consider them to be among the deluded misinformed.

        That said, I also have republican friends who are equally deluded.

        Can’t blame any of them too much, though. You have to be really dedicated to ferreting out the facts and, even then, it’s nearly impossible to discern what’s true. That’s exactly how the PTB want it, because if we are all squabbling and reacting to propaganda, we are not much of a threat to them.

      • sam1966

        Here is an article showing how America is turning its back on God, especially the libtards that booed God’s name during the DNC.

        I guess we really didn’t learn much this election, did we? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is One Nation Under God.”

        George H. W. Bush

    • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

      Well, here we go again.

      Karolyn, time after time the Holy Book confirms thru you and alike that “The heart of fools PROCLAIMS FOOLISHNESS” because “The mouth of fools feeds on foolishness.” (Proverbs)

      Yes, Karolyn, thanks to the DEMONcratic ‘women’ such as nancy pelosi, debbie wasserman schultz, maxine waters, sheila jackson lee, frederica wilson, jennifer granholm our country is running to hell.

      Now we just have to shrug off the shoulders and keep moving FORWARD’ to the hell.

      And libtardic women like you will continue to vote for democRATs by your vaginas.

    • steven

      crayon you don’t like it when the shoes on the other foot not one word about all the bashing of conservative women by [comment has been edited] like bill mar and all the other liberal pundits.

      What you liberal [expletive deleted] are going to get what you voted for it is just a damn shame you don’t work for hostess.
      Fat ass welfare recipients alone could have kept hostess in business lol lol lol

    • spartacus !!!!!!!

      I truly doubt that ! but you can live in any “cloud ” that you want!!

    • speedle

      Karolyn, of course it is “Democrat women”. Are there dumber mammals on the planet than democrat women? Gee I don’t know of any. Before you even get to stretch face Pelosi you can count the 30 million who voted for Obama because he was going to save their birth control pills. If that isn’t the definition of “dumb”, what is?

      • Karolyn

        Speedle – I have to wonder about people who speak in sweeping generalities. Do they even think before they speak?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – Sweeping generalities?

        After all, it IS only democrat women who make issue of these things. Conservative women take care of themselves, and view themselves as responsible for their reproductive habits as well as any other part of their lives.

        That’s the difference. Conservatives are big on self-accountability, and take responsibility for their actions without thinking government owes them something.

        Democrats want a sugar-daddy who will bail them out everytime they make stupid choices. That way they never have to worry about who picks up the tab for their mistakes…BigBro has their back, and that means WE ALL PAY for THEM as well as ourselves.

        Before this mentality became prevalent, you didn’t see people being so careless, and when they were careless, they had to find ways to deal with it. Once people learn that they have to accept consequences, they straighten up and fly right.

        But then, this was just yet another trick by government to create dependency, to give them more power.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – it is a generality to portray all democrat women as dumb, having no accountability or responsibility, immoral and wanting handouts. That is absolutely not true! People simply cannot be placed into neat little boxes like that! There are varying degrees of democratness, if you will. I know politically conservative women who have loose morals, for instance.

      • sam1966

        Here is a funny and truthful video from Judge Judy’s courtroom. It seems the man is a libtard and moocher off of the government, but you have to see how she tears him apart from the bench. Ha, ha, ha, ha!

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been have been continually sounding in mine ears.”

        Robert Treat Paine

      • Kate8

        samurai – Great clip. “Do you see what we’ve created?”

        It would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic. I sent it to everyone I know.


      • JeffH

        samurai, that video is a classic case of “stupid is as stupid does” if there ever was one.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! Say hello to Sook for me.

      • sam1966

        Thank you fellow patriots. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “A patriot must be a religious man.”

        Thomas Jefferson

  • eddie47d

    Forget those petitions to secede from the union there are over 500,000 petitions out there to dump Trump as a Macy’s Spokesman. If Mr Goldenhairs phony hype and outright lying can bring so much wrath against him I’m not sure why Republicans ever wanted him as their illustrious leader. Could the South hire him as their Supreme leader to lead the charge in their next defeat? David Dukes as Vice President anyone?

    • MNIce

      BOO, eddie! The Republicans did NOT want him for the “illustrious leader;” why do you think he didn’t run for the job? He has some interesting things to say, but his views on some subjects diverge too much from the Republican rank and file.

    • JeffH

      READ: eddies obsession and favorite fetish…The KKK!

      • eddie47d

        Dukes ran for office under the National White Peoples Party Jeffy boy not the KKK! I know you just couldn’t help yourself.

      • JeffH

        eddie, that doesn’t negate your obsession and fetish for the KKK.

      • eddie47d

        Doesn’t negate your fetish trolling either. LOL!!

    • sam1966

      Say ed-duh, do you still believe in the good graces of unions? What about when they strike and cause everyone, counting non-strikers, to loose their jobs due to greed? Look at this one about Hostess.

      I guess unions don’t really care about the workers, just their pockets, eh ed-duh? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

      “Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”

      Robert Winthrop

      • Jana


        “Unions choose to use our freedom for the minority to destroy our freedom for the majority.”
        Margaret Thatcher

      • http://naver samurai

        Thanks Jana! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.”

        Thomas Jefferson

  • Julie

    Hi Ben, I enjoyed this, you are so funny. Denny’s for Breakfast, Papa John’s for lunch and Applebee’s for dinner.

  • Paul Wells

    Spot on, Ben, and *I* at least understood the joke about the women, with the picture of Pelosi there SO OBVIOUSLY SURROUNDED by women, Karolyn. (Grow a sense of humor, will you? You take offense at everything!) I loved your intro about the United States of Obama too, ain’t it da truth?

    • eddie47d

      I laugh at you every time you post Paul. Never any sense and absolutely no humor. On top of that you are one of the offense masters with cold empty clueless comments. I never come here for Ben but for the creepy commenter’s who never disappoint with all their insanity and blind loyalty to stupidity.

    • MNIce

      Do you recall the community organization in Al Capp’s Dogpatch comic strip, Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything? (Spell out the acronym, just for fun.) Sometimes I wonder if karolyn would have been a charter member.

      • walter agard

        You are a racist,MNIce,OBAMA did’nt bring himself in this world. He had a black father-pure from africa,and a pure white mother from America.He was’nt raised by a black,He was raised by his pure white grandmother,she did’nt teach him to be a racist, what I see, you are against your own race.You cant see that, the only thing you can see is BLACK.You would be surprised to know that my father is a muslim and mother is a christian.I am a christian,but I still respect my fathers religion.Do you hate me too.I just don’t care.

      • JeffH

        Dear walter, how you decided that MN was a racist by that statement speaks volumes about your own inherent racism. You’ve been watching way too much Chris Matthews haven’t you? Feel the tingle?

      • eddie47d

        Amazing that MNIce can mention Southern Hillbillies (Dogpatch) . Hmmm!

  • Tony Newbill

    the Muslim Brotherhood is Running the White House from Inside !!!!! that’s why Obama is trying to cover all this Benghazi stuff up

    • eddie47d

      The Muslim Brotherhood is not running the White House you knee jerk creep! Tony keeps harping on Benghazi too yet fails to realize that there have been numerous embassy and consulate attacks over the years. Why is this one so important and relevant when some of the others were far deadlier? Is Tony that ignorant on history or is it strictly his venomous hate for Obama? There were 7 such attacks during the G Bush administration The first was in June 2002 where the US Consulate was attacked,bombed and 10 were killed and 51 injured. Six were within the compound. Does Tony care or is he nothing more than a lying troll mixing fact with fiction?

      • Tony Newbill

        Eddie47d its all over the News everywhere that Obama has the Muslim brotherhood in his Administration and Hilary’s aid is a relative of the Brotherhood !!! Wake Up FOOL !!!! Or is it that you can’t stand to see Obama being exposed to such FAILURES in Thinking he could form a Alliance with the Brotherhood and Look like the FIXER of ALL Ills with the Middle East with this Benghazi BLOW-UP ????
        WAKE-Up FOOL , here is Hilary’s Connection to the Brotherhood !!!

      • Kate8

        eddie – True, but it’s the first time it’s come out that it was the president, himself, who set it up. And ordered the rescue to stand down when they could have intervened.

        This was Obama covering his involvement in gun-running, and then killing the witnesses.

      • eddie47d

        The Saudis still have strict Sharia Law and have not given women that much control or power over their own lives let alone in politics as your article suggests. These women still live a few centuries back while the Kings that hold the power live within the 20th Century. (The men aren’t quite within the 21st Century) If Hillary is over there improving or encouraging the lives of women then all the power to her because the Saudis won’t be doing it on their own.

      • juswonderin

        Eddie, I think the reason that this attack on U.S. soil in another country is so different than those before, is because the Ambassador was violently raped, murdered & executed publicly & dragged through the village and there was NO ONE there that could help him or the others that died that day. The Muslim Brotherhood does have too much access to our gov’t & that’s very obvious & they are gaining acceptance & strongly working to have their own “Laws” with Shariah being a cornerstone of their religion. Just my own humble opinion.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d writes:
        “Why is this one so important and relevant when some of the others were far deadlier?”

        Hmmm.. Ahh, Well… Let me see….

        Maybe cause this one the CIC(obama) ORDERED assets that were in position to reduce or eliminate the threat to STAND DOWN.

      • Jana

        I agree with you wholeheartedly. There are many Muslims who have positions of power in the White House and Obama installed them in those positions. We already have Sharia Law in many places in our country. They now have a foothold and want more.

      • eddie47d

        Poor attempt Vickie. Reagan was President when 77 were lost or killed at the embassy in Lebanon. That makes you a sad troll for the right not reality. Deal with facts not your Obama hatred.

      • sam1966

        So ed-duh says that the Muslim Brotherhood is not connected to Obama bin Laden in any way? I beg to differ. Look at this:

        I see that ed-duh needs to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?”

        Thomas Jefferson

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Poor attempt Vickie. Reagan was President when 77 were lost or killed at the embassy in Lebanon.”

        The Lebanon embassy killing happened in milliseconds not hours. As fast as our military is, they are not THAT fast.

        eddie47d: “Deal with facts not your Obama hatred.”

        Demonstrates why your credibility is just microns above flashy on this board. There is hope for you however as I notice you are supporting Rand Paul’s filibuster in the Senate.

      • eddie47d

        Now its “miliseconds” for talking points? Oh so courageous !

    • Bill

      Point well taken Tony,Certainly one of the best explanations I have heard for allowing the murder of
      our Ambassador and his crew,without lifting a finger to help them.

      • Tony Newbill

        There are Official Operatives of the Muslim Brotherhood inside the White House issuing Policies and orders , and Obama and Hilary is just giving Cover . Look at Hilary’s Chief Aid ,

      • Jana

        Tony, I am even concerned about Rice.
        In a 2002 op-ed piece in the Washington Post, former Ambassador to Sudan Timothy M. Carney and news contributor Mansoor Ijaz implicated Rice and counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke in missing an opportunity to neutralize Osama bin Laden while he was still in Sudan in 1996. They write that Sudan and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright were ready to cooperate on intelligence potentially leading to Bin Laden, but that Rice and Clarke persuaded National Security Advisor Sandy Berger to overrule Albright.
        And every Democrat wanted to just point the finger at Bush.

        • Tony Newbill

          Hey in this article there is a strong reason to question Rices ability to bring forward Liberty for all in the face of Political favor , wouldn’t this Disqualify her for Secretary of State ???

    • walter agard

      You all are HATERS without sense.You cannot help it because you were raised like that.Hate more than LOVE for your fellow humans.Maybe you are not one.

      • Jana

        walter agard,
        Uhh maybe he’s not a human?? hahaha you are a prime expample of a liberal socialist. So quick to define and see hatred in others that you don’t recognize it in yourself.You are spewing hatred out all over.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Where did you dig up your crazy philosophy?

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        What PERVERT mentality!!! Total donkey-ish exhibition. Parroting the same mantras over and over.

        walter agard, Why you, libtards, first do not show your love for the fellow humans and then preach about LOVE.

  • dianiline

    Let’s not forget Chik-fil-A, under attack from LGBT hate groups and successfully driven away from Bloomsburg University, PA.

    • Aberdeem

      Way to go Bloomsberg………….

      • DaveH

        As my son pointed out, Chick Fil-A is staffed by one of the most diverse, polite group of people that we’ve ever encountered in a fast food restaurant. But the Liberal Progressives don’t care if real people are given an opportunity to excel or if the customers are given the opportunity to eat good food in a congenial environment. All the Liberal Progressives care about is Forcing people to think their way or Else.

    • eddie47d

      Dan Cathy brought the wrath down upon himself on the homosexual issue. It had nothing to do with his Christian beliefs but the fact he donated heavily to anti-gay groups who in turn fermented hatred towards gays. In the last interview I heard he wished he hadn’t done that. Some Chik Fil A’s did close on campuses and others opened up. Over all his business did not suffer and I believe they are open to all who want to eat there.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Eddie47, Dan Cathy did NOT “brought the wrath down upon himself on the homosexual issue.”

        He is HATED because he DID NOT SURRENDER his CONVICTION, his BELIEF into the acceptance of the sexual perversion of DEPRAVED.

        Please provide at least ONE evidence of his HATE !!!

        Libtards & PERVERTS are preaching tolerance & love, but in reality they are displaying intolerance & HATE toward everyone who do NOT accept their DEPRAVED sexual “orientation”

        “Tolerance is the virtue of the man WITHOUT convictions.” – Gilbert K. Chesterton

        Your Satanic-Alinsky-O’Homobama ideology demands: “Tolerance for me, but NOT FOR THEE”

        You and alike do NOT respect others convictions and beliefs.

        You forgot August 2 – National Support for Dan Cathy a.k.a. Chick-fil-A.

        You said: “In the last interview I heard he wished he hadn’t done that”
        Would you please provide the source of your FALSEHOOD.

        It was Rahm Emmanuel (mayor of Chicago and O’Homobama crony) who retracted his ultimatum that “if you’re gonna be part of the Chicago community, you should reflect Chicago values.”

        Next time have your “facts” straight.

      • eddie47d

        I don’t have to retract a word I said. Cathy indeed wished he hadn’t given to those hate groups and he thought they shared his same beliefs. Cathy didn’t have any personal hatred towards gays like the American Family Association did (supports killing of gays). So he distanced himself from them.

      • Kate8

        Alondra – Good for you. Well stated, indeed.

      • Jana

        Thank you for that great reply. Dan Cathy stood up for his values, which is quite rare in todays society.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        eddie47, WHAT SURPRISE?! Did we see ever that DEMONcrats would retract THEIR FALSEHOOD?

        Of cause EDDIE you will not retract “a word you said”, because you are foolishly determined stubborn DONKEY.

        You are parroting that “Cathy indeed wished he hadn’t given to those hate groups” but you did NOT provided the source of your calumnious defamation.

        Also you did NOT provide proof of the American Family Association’ “HATE” facts.

        Dan Cathy NEVER “distanced himself from them” and he continuing to donate to this organization.

        You are a LIAR as your “great” LIAR-in-Chief.

        How miserably pathetic you are.

        And now go and inform the Personal Liberty that I called the FRAUDULENT CHARLATAN the LIAT-in-Chief.

        Aren’t you based INFORMANT for regime?

      • eddie47d

        Seems like Alondra has her own name calling mantra. Too bad she can’t get it right.

  • http://BobLivingston Truth Warrior

    Lady Kroft please address the content of the postings. Do you disagree with my statements about the support of kooks and total nonsense by woman? Or is the gorilla invisible to you also?

    • Tony Newbill

      heres that Gorilla U F O Filmed By News Crew In Denver

      • Vicki

        That’s too funny. You guys (and the news crew) have obviously never flown RC aircraft before and are probably totally unaware of the little helicopters called quad-copter.

        So here is a hint to that news crew. It happens quite often. Get off the hill and go down to the supposed launch area down below.

    • Jana

      Truth Warrior,
      Maybe you ought to rephrase your point as you are sounding like you put the blame on ALL women.
      There are some pretty bad men out there too, Kerry, Obama, Gore just to name a few. There are even some here on this site as well that post as regulars.
      Not all women are liberals, and certainly not all women are stupid or the 2000 pound gorilla.
      So please rephrase or explain.

      • walter agard

        I agreed to what you say to WARRIOR but you yourself have to rephrase of what you’ve said about OBAMA& GORE, They are trying their their best concerning this country and the world.

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        waltar agard says: OBAMA& GORE, They are trying their their best concerning this country and the world.

        That’s as ridiculous as saying Bush & Cheney had the best of intentions. Not!

      • Jana

        walter ,
        I do happen to agree with most of what Truth Warrior said. I was just pointing out that not all women are like that.
        I also know what I said about gore and the rest, and I meant every word.

  • Bob Rice

    I cant make a comment,everything has been said before,WE have to get this MUSLIM,IDIOT out of our White House…

    • Smilee

      Be patient Bob, 2017 is a coming!!

  • jopa

    As long as there are big mouth sore losers like Ben, Romney, McCain, and Lyndsey Girlie man Graham around bashing woman, minorities, war heroes and the majority of the American voters.I see the Democrats in control for a long long time to come.Like I have always said about the Republican losers “You just can’t Fix stupid”.They still have no clue as to why they lost and they keep doubling down on their problem.Just too funny.

    • DaveH

      So, are you saying you will finally accept responsibility for the crap economy, Jopa?

      • Tony Newbill

        Its ain’t about anything other than the 2 parties using whatever means to create a diversion on the slow and winding road to USA Collapse , They are Economically Collapsing the Free Markets so they can Install a New Government Controlled Economy .

        Lets talk about the republican Party NOT fully Vetting Romney’s Massive Conflicts of Interest regarding his Investment Positions, remember in 2008 Hilary Clinton sold out of every stock she and Bill owned , and so look how this 1 Investment was being Used against Romney being seen as Manipulating the VOTE for crying out loud this would have been something that should have been debated in the Republican Primary don’t you think ???
        Just think the Riots that a Romney Win would have Unleashed ?????
        Once you read this Cleveland Ohio article the other 2 play right into how the Democrats and Obama Administration would have Turned this Country Upside-down with a Romney win , And I say WHY did the Republican Power Brokers even Consider Romney as the Viable candidate ???

      • Warrior
        • Tony Newbill

          Inflation in the UN-Charted Data figures of Our economy is How they are slowing Bleeding dry the Middle Class while they subsidize the Poor and through Political Favor Sabotage the Rich to bring about the Obama Fundamental Change !!!!

      • Kate8

        Tony Newbill – A better question is why Obama was allowed to run.

        He has more mystery and scandal in his background than anyone else they could have come up with, including being a communist. No to mention gay. And even if you don’t have a problem with a gay pres, it’s just yet another lie coming from him.

        It’s easy to tell by the way he’s hyped by the media, unchallenged by the Repubs, and no amount of criminal revelations can touch him…, that he’s there, at least in part, to communicate to us that government has turned on the people and we have no voice.

      • eddie47d

        Who cares if Obama talks to communist philosophers. There is actually freedom of speech for that too. Who cares if he has gay associates Kate. We do have the right of association in this country. Being around a gay friend doesn’t make one gay. As I said over a month ago me and my wife had a Mormon friend and her son living with us while her husband worked in Wyoming. Didn’t turn me or my wife into a Mormon. If you can comprehend than people have many friends over the years and hear an amazing differences in points of view. You seem to be the one creating scandals where few if any exist.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes:
        “A better question is why Obama was allowed to run.

        He has more mystery and scandal in his background than anyone else they could have come up with, including being a communist.”

        Trial balloon. They are testing to see if Americans have been dumbbed down enough. Judging from the re-election of nancy (WE have to pass the bill so YOU can find how what is in it) pelosi, I would say the proof is rather complete.

      • DaveH

        Great link, Warrior. Unfortunately the people who need it the most will probably not read it or, if they do, not understand it.
        And it aggravates me that people almost always assume the Federal Reserve (in this case Bernanke) operate in ignorance, when in fact after 100 years of Fed Failure to “smooth out the economy”, they surely know better. “Coincidentally” their money creation enriches them at the rest of our expense by making our savings worth less, our fixed incomes worth less, and pushing workers’ income into higher marginal tax brackets, thus raising their taxes. There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the Federal Reserve is doing that on purpose, and they will continue to do so until the people get a clue.
        Start here to get that clue:

    • eddie47d

      The Republicans never took responsibility for the economy and let it sink faster than the Titanic.Lets see if they will man up over the next few months in Congress!

    • Gary White

      Look in the mirror and you will see the definition of what you are expousing!!!

    • JeffH

      jopa says “Like I have always said about the Republican losers “You just can’t Fix stupid”.”

      jopa is a liar and up until recently never used that line…in fact stole it(just imagine an ignorant liberal stealing the fruits of anothers labor). Most of you have seen that line posted here before(not by jopa) being used to describe those infected with the incurable desease of liberalism.

      • eddie47d

        Do you have copyrights on Ron Whites video Jeff H. Since you have used it so much maybe you owe him royalties. Was it really about “Liberals” or was that your made up fantasy? Hmmm!

      • jopa

        Oh Jeffie I have been using that line “You Cant Fix Stupid ” for years now.However it seems when I do use it you always seem to come around like that is a personal insult to you.I am not just talking about you personally when I use that phrase but “if the shoe fits”. Oh my another one I always use.I suppose you are going to tell another lie and say you have copyrights on that line.Why can’t you just be nice like everyone else on this site instead of calling people names and using slanderous remarks towards others?Have you tried Anger Management classes.They may be covered under the ACA or you could ask your brother for the money.If that doesn’t work I will help you out, just call me at 1-800-urclueless.

      • JeffH

        jopa, what you just said is a hilarious joke and you’re still lying.

        Hmmm, now I’ve only made two responses to your “like I always say” comment and now you say I always act like it’s a personal insult…only in your dreams dopey. Your memory is suspect at best but with this last post (now remember that I’ve only responded twice to your absurd assertion) you outed yourself…again. Could be your senile dementia really is getting the best of you. Seek some professional help!

        Oh, you’re also a hypocrit…but that’s pretty typical for an ignorant progressive anyway. You’re just a joke jopa.

      • JeffH

        eddie, thanks for clarifying that someone other than jopa has been consistently using that statement to describe the incurable liberal mind.

        If the shoe fits, don’t acquit.

      • eddie47d

        Lyin’ and denying is what Jeff H does best. You are so far down the rat hole in phony accusations against others. Playing something over and over is one of your cheap commie tricks. It was funny way back when but now you are the main character playing himself!

      • JeffH

        eddie the Repeat Talking Parrot is the most inobedient parrot you can buy! Just say any phrase, and he repeats it with double ineffectiveness! eddie comes with his own hanging perch, batteries not included.

        POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkk!

      • eddie47d


  • Jim Audet

    DAVE H

    • Tony Newbill

      The Republicans put Romney up against Obama to LOSE because they think Obama can keep the sects more peaceful when the USA defaults and is declared bankrupt by Foreign Supply partners who reject the US Dollar and parts supplies dry up Obama will have to Nationalize and martial the Rationing of existing Supply .

      ht tp://

      • Kate8

        Tony – I’d say exactly the opposite.

        The PTB want Obama at the helm because he will carry the adoration of the ignorant, uninfored masses even as they are led to slaughter.

        As usual, the finger of blame will be pointed at conservatives, and those dependent on government for their sustenance will be the ones to riot and turn against white conservatives when it shuts off, as they already blame everyone but themselves for their plight. This is the whole reason for creating the entitlement mentality.

        Conservatives come together and help each other in times of distress. In fact, they help everyone as much as they’re able, regardless of political leanings. But this won’t be enough when TSHTF, and they will be targeted. That is exactly why they’ve been villified so much in recent years.

        Obama has no love for America or Americans. His job is to destroy America, especially our military, so that we have no power whatsoever. And he and his pals will duck out in their bunkers while we are left, most likely unarmed, at the mercy of mindless, hungry and very angry hoards.

      • KevinGroenhagen

        I always like to employ women like Kate8. It tickles me to hear the dialogue they have with the toilet while they’re scrubbing it.

        You’re all anonymous fools

      • Nadzieja Batki

        And without even blinking, Kevin Groenhagen, you have made yourself a liar. If you don’t recall what you wrote you can reread it because it is for posterity.

      • eddie47d

        Alondra: Classic Conservative! Mean nasty and obnoxious in thought and deed. Can I use your “thoughts” in any future posting? PLEASE! Now if you are just having a bad day I’ll forgive so we’ll see what the future brings.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        eddie47d(onkey), I am SOOOOOO ashamed by your censure, that I still blushed from morning.

        eddie47d(onkey) you branded my reply to KevinGroenhagen as “Classic Conservative!”

        No eddie47d(onkey), that was CLASSIC HOMOSEXUALATIVE. But you did NOT like the TRUTH and you complained to the Personal Liberty because you did NOT like my comment about your HOMO-in-Chief homosexual activity. And the Personal Liberty cowardly removed my comment (probably they are fearful terrified of you – informant)

        eddie47d(onkey), you say: “Mean nasty and obnoxious in thought and deed.”

        WOW. eddie47d(onkey) as always you are twisting the reality.

        Neither ANAL sex nor ORAL sex are in my thoughts and less in deeds.
        Isn’t HOMOS’ thoughts and deeds? And you are OK with them?!
        Isn’t “nasty and obnoxious” for you? Or you are practicing this DEPRAVITY too and you are so offended by its criticism?

        eddie47d(onkey), you are absolutely free to use “in any future posting” the WORDS, by which I described HOMOS’ sex acts.

        You also can use the God’s view on the DEPRAVITY: “
        You SHALL NOT lie with a male AS WITH a woman; IT IS AN ABOMINATION/ DETESTABLE/ REPUGNANT/ DISGUSTING/ REVOLTING” (Leviticus 18) – Old Testament

        “That is why God abandoned them to THEIR SHAMEFUL DESIRES. Even the women turned AGAINST THE NATURAL way to have sex and instead indulged in SEX WITH EACH OTHER. And the MEN, INSTEAD OF HAVING NATURAL SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH WOMEN, BURNED WITH LUST FOR EACH OTHER. MEN DID SHAMEFUL THINGS WITH OTHER MEN, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved” (Rom.1:26, 27) – New Testament

        “…as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to SEXUAL IMMORALITY and gone after strange flesh, are SET FORTH AS AN EXAMPLE, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE” (Jude 7) – New Testament

        eddie47d(onkey), if you need more HOLY BOOK’s passages about SEXUAL DEPRAVITY in the New Testament, let me know.

        And finally, eddie47d(onkey), you are sooooo stupidly & arrogantly funny. I do not need your forgiveness. You are NOT my savior
        Reed HOLY BOOK and not Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”, which he dedicated to his master “the FIRST RADICAL known to man” Lucifer.

        Good luck, PROUD Homophobe.

      • eddie47d

        You used an awful lot of words for saying nothing! LOL! LOL! Still proving that insults is your speciality ! You ought to start a rent an insult business for Conservatives will flock to you. What a way to make money!

    • jopa

      Jim;Why did you type your questions with the Caps Lock on?Just kidding, been there done that.That’s not bad compared to some of the stuff I put down without checking the spelling.

      • Vigilant

        jopa, no one faults you for “some of the stuff [you] put down without checking the spelling.”

        We do make the observation that virtually all of the stuff you put down is without checking the facts, veracity, logic, or general common sense.

    • jopa

      JeffH;Well I will have to give this one to you.”If the shoe fits ,you must acquit” Never heard that one before so you can get a copyright on that if you wish.What happened did you get caught stealing a pair of shoes to come up with that one?You are just too funny!

  • http://BobLivingston Truth Warrior

    Wow! The trolls are out today. Come on little girls and boys, drink your Obummer Kool-Aid now . You know it’s good for you c’mon now drink up.

    • jopa

      Vigilant;You are confused as to fact checking.The Democrats are the party that ran on facts, responsibility and leadership.The Republicans ran on insulting the electorate, lies and a smear campaign that embarrassed many within there own party.There are still many today in the GOP asking what went wrong?They know the answer but they have a foolish pride perhaps that will just make them a bunch of losers in the future.America is great once again and getting better by the day with it’s great leadership, however we do need to do a little House cleaning.Still too much of that GOP ( Grand Obstructionist Party) around.

      • Kate8

        Holy cow, jopa. I don’t think we’re living on the same planet.

  • Gladdrial

    Read what the Word of God says about a Woman in Proverbs and then you see what a real woman is about!

    • eddie47d

      You drank the Bush elixir Truth Warrior and then the barrel of Romney’s spiked punch at least let the Democrats have a few shots of kool aid! You must have a taste for ladies of the night with those disparaging remarks you made earlier about women. So what do you put in their cocktails?

      • http://BobLivingston Truth Warrior

        Ask your mother.

    • KG

      My favorite verse in the Bible is Ezekiel 23:20. That’s the kind of woman I want!

      • Jana

        If you were able to correctly understand the Bible, you would know that this is not in reference to real women. The key is in Ezekiel 23 verse 4. Their names were Aholah and Ahlibah. Samaria is Ahola, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

      • KG

        Read the story of Jonathan and David. And then tell me that they were NOT gay.

      • Jana

        They were NOT gay. It is clear you have no comprehension of the Bible.

      • KG

        It’s clear you cannot read English.

        16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, “May the Lord call David’s enemies to account.” 17 And Jonathan had David reaffirm his oath out of love for him, because he loved him as he loved himself.

        41 After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together—but David wept the most.

        The King James Version is a little more honest:

        41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

        The word “exceeded” is from the same Hebrew word used in Genesis to describe the vast Universe. So, it must be a physical effect that’s happening.
        So “they kissed each other, and wept with one with another, until David had an erection.”

        So, you see, Gay marriage IS advocated in the Bible.

      • Kate8

        It has become quite apparent after reading liberal posts over the past years that liberals have no comprehension of distinction between “love” and “sex”. They view them as one and the same.

        In fact, they view everything in terms of sex.

      • KG

        So, David and Jonathan were gay lovers? Is that what you are admitting? Do you have sex with someone you hate? Oh, i forgot I’m talking to the ladies who must “submit” to their husbands authority.

        Why do we have sex? Is it just for procreation? So, why would God make such a utilitarian purpose so enjoyable?

        Baptist don’t recognize the Pope and Catholics don’t recognize each other when they are in the strip club!

      • Jana

        You are so right. KG is thinking with the wrong brain. Ha no wonder he is so SMALL minded.

      • MNIce

        KG, you have a diseased mind. The word translated “love” means “close friendship.” There are three words in the Koine Greek language (the original language of the New Testament and the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament) that are translated as “love” in English. Phileo is the one used here. It denotes the love in a personal friendship, and is used in the name Philadelphia, “The City of Brotherly Love.” Agape is another; it is the altruistic, self-sacrificing love of one person who would give anything for another, even die if necessary. The third word, the one that seems to be stuck in your mind, is eros, and it refers to sexual attraction. It is not used anywhere in the Bible.

        I suppose every time you see a mother kiss her child you call the authorities and accuse her of incest! Not every culture is as hung up on connecting physical affection with sexual activity as you are. To this day, it is common in the Middle East for close friends and family members to greet each other with a kiss – nothing sexual about it. In several of his epistles, St. Paul tells his readers, “Greet one another with a holy kiss.” because he wants them to have this close kinship/friendship relationship with each other, as members of one family. Once again – there is nothing sexual about it. Your invidious comment about the original King James indicates you completely misunderstood its archaic language form. Nothing in the Hebrew language indicates the sort of physical reaction you claim.

        It is abundantly clear from the lives of David and Jonathan that they were heterosexual, David excessively so in the sense that he was a polygamist. This nonsense about them being gay is nothing more than lying propaganda put out by the homosexual lobbyists to try to make their perversity acceptable to the rest of us. Nothing I have ever seen in the history of the church indicates this misunderstanding was promulgated before the gays began trying to impose their immorality on American society

      • Kate8

        Jana – :) :) :) Too good!

        Great to see your posting again!

        RE: subject at hand. Soldiers share the closest of comeraderie, sharing a love for one another which is way different from sexual attraction. It is like soul connection, or the closest of brothers.

        This is the kind of “love” spoken of between David and Jonathan. Liberals seem incapable of relating to that type of relationship.

        They think only in terms of selfish, physical gratification.

      • Karolyn

        KG – You’re way off base saying David and Jonathan were lovers.

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        KG is just stirring the pot…he enjoys the emotional responses, because he’s emotionally immature. Keep in mind people, we could be dealing with an emotionally-stunted, teenager.

      • Jana

        Thanks Kate8,
        Wake the Sleepers , he is an emotionally stunted something, that’s for sure.

      • JeffH

        Kate8 says “Great to see your posting again!”

        Ditto that +1 :)

      • JeffH

        Jana, Wake the Sleeper” is Jay and one of the good guys and one who “gets it”.

      • KG

        Most of you seem to be hung up on what Man has adjudged to be right and wrong. It is not clear to me the hate and vile that most Christians have for homosexuals. Even though, after a lifetime of attending Southern Baptist church I haven’t seen a single youth leader or music director who WASN’T gay.
        What was Paul’s “thorn in the flesh?” I think it’s interesting that no real “sin” is mentioned about it. He could have been Gay. We don’t know. All I know is that after a lifetime of relationships with good Christian women, and being Divorced from those same “good” Christian women, where else can I go? I think God has a place for everybody. Is it the best? Who knows? None of us will really know until we all die.

        On the road to find out
        Cat Stevens AKA Usef Islam

        Well I left my happy home to see what I could find out
        I left my folk and friends with the aim to clear my mind out
        Well I hit the rowdy road and many kinds I met there
        Many stories told me of the way to get there

        So on and on I go, the seconds tick the time out
        There’s so much left to know, and I’m on the road to find out

        Well in the end I’ll know, but on the way I wonder
        Through descending snow, and through the frost and thunder

        Well, I listen to the wind come howl, telling me I have to hurry
        I listen to the robin’s song saying not to worry

        So on and on I go, the seconds tick the time out
        There’s so much left to know, and I’m on the road to findout

        Then I found myself alone, hopin’ someone would miss me
        Thinking about my home, and the last woman to kiss me, kiss me

        But sometimes you have to moan when nothing seems to suit yer
        But nevertheless you know you’re locked towards the future

        So on and on you go, the seconds tick the time out
        There’s so much left to know, and I’m on the road to findout

        Then I found my head one day when I wasn’t even trying
        And here I have to say, ’cause there is no use in lying, lying

        Yes the answer lies within, so why not take a look now?
        Kick out the devil’s sin, pick up, pick up a good book now (Repeat x 2)

        Yes the – answer – lies – within, so why not take a look now?
        Kick out the devil’s sin, pick up, pick up The Good Book now!

      • Jana

        I can tell Wake the Sleeper is a good guy, just like you are. And, thanks for the welcome back.

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        As i’ve told you before, KG; “text, without context, is pretext”.

        In case you don’t know what is pretext:

        A pretext is an excuse to do something or say something. Pretexts may be based on a
        half-truth or developed in the context of a misleading fabrication.

      • KG

        So, what is the context of 2nd Samuel 1:26 –

        I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

        In the society of ancient Israel, it was not considered proper for a man and woman to have a platonic relationship. Men and women rarely spoke to each other in public. Since David’s only relationships with women would have been sexual in nature, then he must be referring to sexual love here. It would not make sense in this verse to compare platonic love for a man with sexual love for a woman; they are two completely different phenomena. It would appear that David is referring to his sexual love for Jonathan

      • Jana

        You asked :”So, what is the context of 2nd Samuel 1:26 –

        I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.”
        David had just heard that Saul AND his best friend Jonathan were dead. He was grieving.

        It is well known that David’s downfall was women. He had a huge number of wives and he even took foreign wives and that was what God warned him not to do. But David was a lover of women.

        There is a difference in men with male bonding. If you would study the life of David you will see that as young men they bonded. They could hunt and run together and do things in rough manly ways that most women or girls could not do physically like these two could. They were extremely physically fit and enjoyed getting out and use their skills, muscles, and abilities and honing them to make their endurance even greater. David and Jonathan were great warriors.
        Back then women were not allowed to even try to step over that line.
        David and Jonathan knew that if they were in battle the other one was big enough and strong enough to have their back.
        You hear men speak of it all of the time when they have been in battle together. “Only you know” is quoted among them. They live together, fight together, and depend on each other for their very livesr and some even die in front of each other.Yes, they shared something that made them bond in ways that most people would not understand.

        Jonathan and David had a deep love and affection for one another. They knew what the other was thinking and feeling. David even loved KIng Saul. Even though Saul was searching for David to kill him, David did not retaliate against Saul as he still loved and respected Saul as his King. David had a chance to kill Saul while he was sleeping, but would not.

        David and Jonathan even swore that ” The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever” meaning that they would tell their children of their great love and respect for each other and their children would always know each other and no harm would ever come to each others offspring by their hand.

        The following are scriptures of what the Bible says about homosexuals. The Bible actually calls them Sodomites.

        Lev 20:13

        13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

        Isa 3:8-9

        8 For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord, to provoke the eyes of his glory.

        9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

        Rom 1:24-32

        24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

        25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

        26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

        27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

        28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

        29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

        30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

        31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

        32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
        always love each other too, that no harm would ever come to one of the others offspring by way of their hands.

        To make something perverse out of it is not only wrong, but sad for those who cannot comprehend it. God in His Word called a homosexual a SODOMITE. He said they were of a reprobate mind, worthy of death. The actual scriptures, Old and New Testaments follow:

      • KG

        Why focus on gay people? Christ had more to say about adultery than anything that gay people do. After all, 50% of Christians are committing adultery right now – and yet, there no ballot initiatives put to outlaw adultery? Why?

        Matthew 5:31-32

        King James Version (KJV)

        31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

        32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

      • Jana

        I will not argue with you on that. You are right. To God sin is sin, wrong is wrong. We must ask for forgiveness, repent and turn from our wicked ways.
        Remember YOU brought up the gay agenda. I did not.

      • KG

        Hey – Guilty as charged ;). I’m still very thank full for your sensitive and genuine responses. You get more flys with honey than with vinegar. I hope your christian journey brings you what you need. I believe in Christ more than G-d. I guess I’m at that place where after doing everything that society tells you to do, and Life still sucks, you gotta stand back and look at everything – like a Monet painting. His canvases were sometime 30 feet wide.

        Again, as a Human being, Thank You.

      • Jana

        Thank you. I have been bitten before by answering and wasn’t sure where you were coming from. At first I wasn’t sure you genuinely wanted to know.
        I do love the Lord and know Jesus Christ as my Saviour. It is a wonderful journey,and I have found studying the KJV Bible with my tools (concordance, Bible Dictionaries, etc) and reading it chapter by chapter, verse by verse and praying before I study as well as during the day, has helped more than anything.
        Life isn’t ever easy, but we are a can do people IF we know Who is holding our hand and trust in Him, throughout our lives.

    • Jana

      God used many women of the Bible and just to name a few: Old Testament: There was Deborah who was a judge. The men would not go into battle unless she led them. She did. There was Holga, who was over the college and when there was confusion on what the Scriptures said, they went to her. New Testament: Priscilla nicknamed by Paul as Prisca along with her husband had a church, but she was the preacher.There are more, but I will stop.
      God uses us as HE chooses.

      • Jana

        You are not only wrong, you haven’t quoted the King James at all. You have used some perversion of what you call the Bible. You didn’t even bother to write “where” in the Bible you supposedly found it, but what you said was false.

        Jonathan and David were meeting because Jonathans father Saul had just made his intentions known that he was going to kill David. Jonathan and David were friends and this grieved them Jonathan greatly.

        At the end they both declared they and their offspring would always be friends.

        1 Sam 20:35-42

        35 And it came to pass in the morning, that Jonathan went out into the field at the time appointed with David, and a little lad with him.

        36 And he said unto his lad, Run, find out now the arrows which I shoot. And as the lad ran, he shot an arrow beyond him.

        37 And when the lad was come to the place of the arrow which Jonathan had shot, Jonathan cried after the lad, and said, Is not the arrow beyond thee?

        38 And Jonathan cried after the lad, Make speed, haste, stay not. And Jonathan’s lad gathered up the arrows, and came to his master.

        39 But the lad knew not any thing: only Jonathan and David knew the matter.

        40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city.

        41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

        42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.
        exceeded Hebrew word gadal: to be large as in bodu, mind, estate, or honor also in pride.

      • KG

        Tell me, exactly, where I misquoted scripture?

      • Kate8

        KG – Scriptures are clear that homosexuality is considered abomination in God’s Eyes.

        David is referred to as “a man after God’s own heart”.

        If you take the whole Bible in context, you would know that what you are claiming is not only absurd, but an affront to all that is Holy.

      • Kate8

        BTW, this is exactly how satan (and liberals) twist and contort all that is decent in order to deceive people who do not know better. This is how people are led into corruption and depravity. It appeals to the beast within humanity, which seeks only to indulge it’s every impulse, and to justify itself in the eyes of society.

      • Jana

        I laid the scriptures out for you correctly, can’t you read? Open your eyes and read it. then compare the true King James Version to the perversion that you wrote.
        If you want to look at the KJV Bible go to that Bible, not to some weird site on the net.

      • KG

        No one has really refuted my interpretation of those verses. You cannot claim that I misrepresented what was said. If you just READ it, you will see plainly what it says. But your religious mind has been so trained to reject anything that even suggests something different, that you cannot see the alternative reading.

        Would Christ bully and reject a gay person? What was Jesus Christ’s policy on public health?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        KG, still with the double talk.
        There is still a simple name for you and it is Judas Goat. Karolyn, Jopa, eddie47d, walter and you won’t be getting any brownie points from your handlers but you might just get brown noses.

      • Jana

        You definitely have a problem. You are the one who brought gay people into it, claiming someone was gay when they were not. You are the one twisting the scriptures to make it say what you want it to when it doesn’t say that at all.
        Too bad you don’t comprehend plain English, nor can you read correctly.
        You are wrong.

      • Kate8

        Looks to me like KG has a gay fetish.

      • Jana

        I will play your game and show you where you were wrong.

        You stated:
        The word “exceeded” is from the same Hebrew word used in Genesis to describe the vast Universe. So, it must be a physical effect that’s happening. (I would like you to show me where you got this idea.)

        The actual Hebrew word is: gadal: to be large as in body, mind, estate, or honor also in pride.

        Jonathan had been told by his father Saul that he intended to kill David. Saul was the KING.
        Jonathan and David were like brothers and they loved each other like brothers. David was going to have to go on the run to keep from being killed. They didn’t know if they would ever see each other again, so they were crying and in a sense in mourning, over the loss of a way of life for them, doing things as brothers. They cried and hugged and yes even kissed as men would kiss each other on the cheek and they said their goodbyes till David felt strong enough to leave. He was actually in hiding for several years. God had already called David to be the King as Saul had displeased the Lord our God.However all things in God’s timing, it was several years before Saul died and David took the thrown.

        You were the one who brought up the Bible, then you were the one who brought gays into it. Whatever you do in your own bedroom is your business. It sounds like you are feeling insecure in your own lifestyle. I am sorry about that and hope you find the right path for yourself, whatever that is.

      • KG

        Saul says to David

        1 Samuel 18:20-21

        “Now Saul’s daughter Michal was in love with David, and when they told Saul about it, he was pleased. ‘I will give her to him’, he thought, ‘so that she may be a snare to him and so that the hand of the Philistines may be against him’. Now you have a second opportunity to become my son-in-law” (NIV)

        In the King James Version, the end of Verse 21 reads:

        “Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the one of the twain.” (KJV)

        Saul’s belief was that David would be so distracted by a wife that he would not be an effective fighter and would be killed by the Philistines. He offered first his daughter Merab, but that was rejected, presumably by her. Then he offered Michal. There is an interesting phrase used at the end of verse 21. In both the NIV and KJV, it would seem that David’s first opportunity to be a son-in-law was with the older daughter Merab, and his second was with the younger daughter Michal. The KJV preserves the original text in its clearest form; it implies that David would become Saul’s son-in-law through “one of the twain.” “Twain” means “two”, so the verse seems to refer to one of Saul’s two daughters. Unfortunately, this is a mistranslation. The underlined phrase “the one of” does not exist in the Hebrew original. The words are shown in italics in the King James Version; this is an admission by the translators that they made the words up. Thus, if the KJV translators had been truly honest, they would have written:

        “Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the twain.”

        In modern English, this might be written: “Today, you are son-in-law with two of my children” That would refer to both his son Jonathan and his daughter Michal. The Hebrew original would appear to recognize David and Jonathan’s homosexual relationship as equivalent to David and Michal’s heterosexual marriage. Saul may have approved or disapproved of the same-sex relationship; but at least he appears to have recognized it. The KJV highlight their re-writing of the Hebrew original by placing the three words in italics; the NIV translation is clearly deceptive.

      • Jana

        Nice try but still a perversion of the Bible. You need to quit going to the G/L website for your information, it is WRONG.

        The setting here is David had just killed the giant Goliath

        1 Sam 17:54-18:4

        54 And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

        55 And when Saul saw David go forth against the Philistine, he said unto Abner, the captain of the host, Abner, whose son is this youth? And Abner said, As thy soul liveth, O king, I cannot tell.

        56 And the king said, Inquire thou whose son the stripling is.

        57 And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him, and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand.

        58 And Saul said to him, Whose son art thou, thou young man? And David answered, I am the son of thy servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.

        18 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.

        2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father’s house.

        3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

        4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

        There was a bond that united these two together-one soul two bodies. It was their common faith in the covenant love of God for Israel.

        God called David a man after His own heart.1Sam 13: 13 and 14. Also Acts 13:22

        Man has made homosexuality ok. God did not.

      • KG

        At the end of verse 4, what is Jonathan wearing?

      • Jana

        haha KG, I just spotted this. Whatever he was wearing it was in front of the King and all the men and women( if any) in the thrown room.

  • http://yahoo Carlene

    To all the above that are trashing women.. Why do you all want to marry one? then leave her to make the living and raise your sperm products? That really makes you a proud bunch of MEN, doesn’t it? As for the next Speaker of the house, could he or she be any lower that nitwit Pelosi? And Hey you democrats, we didn’t lose that election, it was stolen from us by your corrupt party. If the votes were HONESTLY counted, we may have lost, but the margin would have been very narrow, or maybe we may have won, if you would have let the military votes be counted, rather than have them Mis-sent to God knows where and then delayed to who know where. It worked for you again this election, didn’t it? I used to be a democrat for years, but I am so ashamed of the Democrat party now. It is almost identical to the Commie party. Your full of Muslims now..Thank God I am smarter now, and honest. I can stand up and look you and my fellow man/woman in the eye, Can you? Honestly ? No you can’t, you keep going behind closed doors to do you work, that is
    suppose to be transparent…SHAME ON YOU.

    • eddie47d

      We’ve heard those same complaints about military ballots whether under a Republican administration or a Democrat administration. Ballots aren’t always printed up until just a few weeks before an election. Then they have to be sent overseas and then returned. So does that make the Republican Party commies too because they are delayed? Shame on you! If you want that problem solved contact your Clerk and Country Recorder or Secretary of State of your State. OR the military base where they are delayed. Are you really smarter now and will you even bother?

      • MNIce

        How do you account for the states with Democrat Secretaries of State violating UOCAVA requirements on when the ballots were to be sent out? How do you account for troops being ordered out on 24 hour training marches on the day they were supposed to fill out and send in their ballots? How do you account for military ballots that were sent back in before the deadline supposedly never being received at the destination county election offices?

        Oh, and this is only one segment of the problem. Numerous precincts in Ohio and Pennsylvania had 99%-100% votes for Mr. Obama. It is not credible that they are that closely segregated politically. What is more, a number of those precincts, normally with relatively low vote turnout, had turnout rates in excess of 100%. If you don’t understand what that means, it means there were more votes counted than there are registered voters in the precinct. In other words, a substantial number of the ballots were fakes. BTW, I have not heard of any allegation of a precinct with excess ballots going for Mr. Romney. Not one.

        Face it. Your party is dirty. People who will cheat and steal an election will cheat anybody out of anything. Your continued association with them does your reputation no credit.

      • eddie47d

        The Republican political panhandler is claiming another lie about Ohio. Cuyahoga Country had a 559,180 votes for Obama and 91,953 for Romney. No 100% for either.

    • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      Carlene, you shouldn’t call them Democrats, any more, they do not deserve the label. Rather, call them by what they truly are; putrid, festering-boils!

      • Kate8

        How about ‘traitors’.

      • eddie47d

        Republicans: The party of Necrotizing Fasciitis. They have evolved into maggots and consume anything “below them”.

      • Kate8

        eddie – Please explain how you’ve arrived at this assumption, being that democrats have been more in control of things than Republicans for quite some time now.

        California used to have one of the world’s greatest economy. They Golden State; Land of Golden Opportunity. Until the democrats took over, flooded it with immigrants, largely illegal, and drove away producers through onerous regulations and high taxes. Now CA has the WORST economy in the country, and this sad story is repeated all over the country.

        So, how is it that it’s all Republican’s fault? It blows me away because here in CA, the idiots all blame Republicans, too, even though they’ve had NO VOICE here for over two decades. Why? Because the party hacks tell them so!

        You really need to expand your sources to include something other than lying leftist propaganda sites.

  • chuckb

    carlene, forgive them, they know not what they do.
    we have stepped again to a lower level, we now have the offspring of the sixties generation in almost full control. raised by permissive parents, educated in marxist schools. kiss thje usa goodbye, we are now a suburban of venezuelan politics. led by a muslim.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You cannot forgive “them” Leftists because they know exactly what they do, chuckb.

      • Kate8

        Don’t worry. Sooner or later, their evil deeds will come around to bite them.

        Everyone reaps exactly as they sow. They will receive judgment for their treachery.

  • David Mills

    Ditto to chuckb’s statement and Charlene you are on the right side as well. This isn’t a male female thing it is an issue of self reliance vs state reliance. There was a time when men went to work and women stayed home but this was an agreement between the spouses and one made from common sense analysis not some backward traditions. In todays usa I think a lot of couples who are parents would find that if they truley examined the circumstances they could save money by one spouse agreeing to stay home, raise kids, cook and clean house. When both parents work there are increased costs for child care, eating out, perhaps a house keeper, often a second car with all of those expenses certainly an increased wardrobe and more extensive and expensive for the female spouse and this fails to mention the things that parents tend to purchase for their children when they feel guilt pains for being away from their kids so often. I find that if a couple honestly writes down these costs and then compares the additional income they often find little extra income that can’t be made up for especially when considering that kids aren’t kids for long and who will care for them better than their parents?

  • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    The two-party system rejected the liberty of the Republic in favor of what the Founders called empire.

    Democrats see government as a force for good in America and the world. Republicans see America as a force for good overseas. “Bad guys” must be stopped from doing terrible things to their people. Supporting “good guys” spreads democracy and makes the world a safer place for Americans. By assuming global dominance, both parties hold America responsible for the fate of the world.

    Democrats sell heaven on earth (the government can solve any problem). Republicans sell hell on earth (the world is a dangerous place). The Democratic Party sees government as an angel at home and abroad. The Republican Party sees the government as a devil at home and the country as an angel abroad.

    In Republican exceptionalism, America abroad can be either an avenging angel or a beneficent angel. The avenging angel is the preferred mode of behavior, but, in the right circumstances, it is permissible to give hard-earned American tax dollars away to foreigners. The military isn’t seen as being part of Big Government. Republicans are reluctant to see the symbiosis between the warfare state and the welfare state.

    Abroad, Republicans see their country (rather than their government) as the actor. This makes apologies intolerable.

    In Democratic exceptionalism, government is a benign angel dispensing benefits to citizens and foreigners alike. Social engineering is the preferred mode of behavior. Since more government makes America strong, nation-building is good for foreigners too.

    Democrats don’t suffer from a split personality. For them, government is good. Big Government abroad strengthens Big Government at home. If pushed to choose, Democrats care more about domestic programs and, therefore, are more apt to admit mistakes abroad than at home. There is less reluctance to acknowledge the synergy between the welfare state and the warfare state.

    Republicans see Big Government in every domestic benefits program. Democrats should apologize for all of their willful interventions and repeated mistakes. Abroad, Republicans see their country (rather than their government) as the actor. This makes apologies intolerable.

    In a world of avenging and beneficent angels, there is no place for mistaken interventions. Republican schizophrenia casts government as a devil at home, but America — via the military — as an unquestioned force for good in the world.

    Democratic and Republican exceptionalism is antithetical to American exceptionalism. By seeing America as “a force for good in the world,” the two parties have become a force for bad at home, promoting the state at the expense of the individual.

    The warfare state and the welfare state have replaced the citizen state of life, liberty and
    the pursuit of happiness. The citizen no longer controls the government. The government now controls the individual.

    • Karolyn

      Very good points.

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        What we need is more Americans, Kate, and fewer Republicans and Democrats. I can’t believe that there are people still fighting over these two parties, that in my opinion, no longer exist. Both parties have been wiped-out, except for the labels, of course. What we have in their place, is, in essence, a one-party system, comprised of sub-human, ghouls. I believe our friend Jopa is correct when he stated; “you just can’t fix stupid”! Of course, Jopa, being the prime example…duh!

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Sorry, above comment meant for Karolyn.

      • Karolyn

        I do agree with you, Jay. Altough I have been a dem my whole life, it’s very hard to change. I was raised in a dem household, and it was what I was taught from an early age. However, I have gotten to the point where I really do not hold total allegiance to any party. I still, though have hard to change bad feeling for repubs, more so than dems. It’s that lesser of two evils thing.. It is a process I’ve been going through; and one that has most definitely been precipitated by my posting to this site for over 2 years.

      • Jana

        I do not call myself a Republican. I am an American first, then a conservative. I think we ought to kick both parties out and start fresh with Americans. It shouldn’t be who can buy the position they are running for. It shouldn’t cost so much to run for office.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – If you have your own mind, it’s not at all hard to change. At least, not for me.

        I grew up in a democrat family, as well. We adored JFK. Not so much anyone after him.

        It was probably in the ’90s when I began to look more closely into politics, and saw the corruption of the Clintons, as well has what had happened since the days of JFK. The democrats were not the same… the conservative ideals of my parents were no longer seen as desirable qualities. The dems began to represent all manner of perversion, and to lead our kids away from sound morality and the idea of family. I also began to see that the “liberation” of women had not made humanity better, but had broken up too many families, including my own. I had begun to feel like a loser just being a wife and mother, and had joined the ranks of single moms.

        Thus, I began to re-evaluate my own ideals and standards, not what society was promoting. I realized that the old conservative values had served us far better than the “anything goes” mentality, and made the shift back to sound values. It was like coming home to myself, and I understood that there is no greater love and devotion than to one’s God and family, and a mother’s place in nurturing these values.

        The rest of my family began shifting to the right, as well, for much the same reasons.

        I’ve since learned that the Republican party is equally corrupt and complicit. While I will always consider myself conservative, I believe mostly in freedom in every sense of the word.

        It was never hard for me to throw off what seemed no longer valid in order to move into something more viable and honest.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I totally understand what you’re saying. I gave up Christianity five years ago because that is where my path led. (And, believe me, I have nothing against Christianity.) We all have our own paths and perspectives. I hope to never stop changing to become the best human being I can be. When people have pondered what God’s will is, I have always said it is for me to be the best me I can be, whatever that entails. I see merit in much of what you have to say even though I may not totally agree.

  • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    It will, or should, come as no surprise that as a result of the Great Financial Crisis, just as in real life, so in D.C., the wealthiest politicians have gotten wealthier: in fact at least 72 politicos have doubled their wealth in the past 5 years.

    It will, or should, also come as no surprise, that as a result of the GFC, the average wealth of Republicans (which declined) and Democrats (which rose) has converged, confirming that at least when it comes to the economic disparity between America’s two big parties, there is no longer any difference. At least these are the findings of a recent WaPo study looking at how America’s lawmakers have benefited from the laws they themselves institute.

    In other words, while America’s laws may be designed for its people, those who actually benefit from this country’s fiscal (and of course monetary) policy is just one group: those who continue to transfer wealth from what little is left of the middle class and into their own, mostly offshore, bank accounts.

    From the WaPo: “You would find that, contrary to many popular perceptions, lawmakers don’t get rich by merely being in Congress. Rich people who go to Congress, though, keep getting richer while they’re there.” We are fairly confident that there were no “popular perceptions” that anyone goes to Congress to get wealthy. Congress, and certainly the Senate, are merely vehicles to allow those with power and money to simply perpetuate a status quo that benefits the 1% and takes, what little is left, from everyone else. And sadly, this theft transcends political lines and ideological colors. In short: everyone is doing it, even as America continues to delude itself there is an option. There is none.

    For the complete matrix of just who steals from you, Americans, click below.

    • Jana

      Wake the Sleepers,
      Great post.

    • Kate8

      Jay – Well, we now know that Obama made a lot of his money running guns to Mexican drug lords, Chinese, Islamic radicals and anyone else with a grudge against America.

      I’m sure that is only the tip of the iceberg. High profile people also rake in huge profits from things like human trafficking, (especially of children), illegal drugs, and every other criminal endeavor.

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        I believe DaveH said it best, Kate; “Our wonderful leaders are only interested in feathering their own nests”!

  • old farter

    The lib women have lots to look forward to, with BO Plenty. Hinnies high & elbows to the floor – rub-a-dub-dub & scrub & ready for whatever comes your way. There will be environmentally friendly sheets with two peep holes to see, none to eat or talk, & a old mystic rug to fly back & forth to the gro-store. Rugs are more environmentally friendly than brooms. No more talking back. Two steps behind your master. Nice & humble at all times or its reward & punishment time, at you better-half’s discretion. Mini-skirts, careless leg crossing & messing around merits a one way trip to the rock pile. There’s a reason it’s called the muslim brotherhood – sisters will be silent & subservient – get over this “woman thing” & learn to do as you’re told. That’s why I voted for Obama! If you’re as ayyractive, intelligent, and dysfunctional as Pelosi, chances are you’ll disappear under a pile of rocks – for the betterment of MANkind! Pucker up – BO-ism – it’s a commin’.

  • chuckb

    jay, i would like to disagree with your assessment of the two political parties, i believe the democratic party is where most of the blame on the decline of america belongs, they are a haven for radicals, the environmentalist, their civil rights agenda has diminished the black race to an entitlement race, the illegals have joined with the bolsheviks for the offer of free med, education and welfare and at the same time casting their vote them. their environmental regulations have driven business out of the country, they turn on our troops when they find it is politically advantageous.
    i agree on much of what you say about the repubs, however, my main disagreement with them is their failure to stand up to the bolsheviks, george bush lost my support when he failed to do so. and to this day refuses to defend his policies, right or wrong.

    we do need another party, another course than the one we are on. if the texans secede from the union i will join them.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – I’m inclined to agree with you on this.

    • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      Here chuck, i think this man explain’s it best.

      Phony Left Right Paradigm – G. Edward Griffin, CFR, Two Party System G. Edward Griffin explains the deliberately fake two party system and its implications as well as its relationship with the CFR, Council on Foreign Relations.!

  • Tired of This Fool

    Ben Crystal couldn’t predict a dogcatcher’s race, even if the dog up and bit him. The loser cannot even pontificate thje fact Romney lost because of people like Ben Crystal. All tal, no substance, loser.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Sum total of your intelligence is parroting cliches which make no sense.

    • sam1966

      I see someone is looking in the mirror while drinking a 40oz kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

      “I had the honor of being one who framed the Constitution. In order effectually to accomplish these great constitutional ends; it is especially the duty of those who bear rule to promote and encourage respect for God and virtue.”

      Henry Laurens

  • s c

    Hand over the gavel? WTF? What needs to be said is that the best way for Queen Draculette Pelosi to handle a gavel is to bend over and . . .

  • S.C.Murf

    The woman’s lib movement was nothing more than a cover up to put more people to work and thus double the TAX roles. Our govt. doesn’t care about women, just the taxes they can contribute.

    up the hill


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