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Guns Don’t Kill People But Big Pharma Does

December 28, 2012 by  

Guns Don’t Kill People But Big Pharma Does
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Purported Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza was, according to a man reported to be his uncle, on the antipsychotic drug Fanapt. The “uncle” turned out to be a fraud, but given that most news reports describe Lanza as being emotionally or mentally disturbed, it’s quite likely he was on some sort of mind-altering drug or drug combination.

Documented side effects of Fanapt are aggression, confusion, delirium, hostility, impulse-control disorder, mania, mood swings, paranoia, panic attack and suicide. Sound familiar?

Gun grabbers have gone almost apoplectic since the shooting, blaming the (misnamed) assault rifle—which was reportedly still in Lanza’s car when police arrived at the school—for the deaths of the children and teacher. Lanza has since been pushed into the memory hole—along with the man in camouflage plucked from the nearby woods and many other anomalies— and the focus has been on the AR15 and its links in other recent mass shootings.

But there is another common denominator in mass shootings: psychotropic drugs. Aurora movie theater shooter James Holmes, Columbine killer Eric Harris, and a host of other mass murdering young killers were on some type of psychotropic drugs when they committed their crimes.

According to a study published in the journal PLoS One and based on the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System, the following mind-altering drugs are most frequently linked to violence:

10.  Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) is an antidepressant associated with 7.9 times more violence than many other drugs.

9.  Venlafaxine (Effexor) is related to Pristiq and is an antidepressant also used in treating those with anxiety disorders. Effexor is 8.3 times more associated with violent behavior than other drugs.

8.  Fluvoxamine (Luvox) is an antidepressant that affects serotonin (SSRI), and is 8.4 times more likely to be linked to violence than other medications

7.  Triazolam (Halcion) can be addictive and is a benzodiazepine that supposedly treats insomnia. It’s 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other medications.

6.  Atomoxetine (Strattera) is often prescribed to tread ADHD and is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence.

5.  Mefoquine (Lariam) treats malaria and sometimes products bizarre behavior, and is 9.5 times more likely to be linked to violence.

4.  Amphetamines come in many forms and are often used to treat ADHD (even to children not diagnosed with ADHD). They are 9.6 times more likely to be linked to violence.

3.  Paroxetine (Paxil) is an SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) antidepressant. Many users experience severe withdrawal symptoms and are more likely to produce children with birth defects as well as 10.3 times more likely to be linked to violence than other medications.

2.  Fluoxetine (Prozac) is a household name for a powerful SSRI antidepressant linked with 10.9 times more violence than other drugs.

1.  Varenicline (Chantix) is administered to smokers to supposedly help curb cigarette cravings, but it’s a whopping 18 times more likely to be linked to violent behavior than other drugs.

Big Pharma is killing everything from babies to adults by the thousands, but no one seems interested in banning these drugs or holding Big Pharma and prescribing physicians accountable. The Food and Drug Administration, which approves these drugs, recognizes that more 100,000 adverse drug reaction (ADR) deaths occur each year. ADRs is the fourth leading cause of death, ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths.

Drug companies bribe doctors to prescribe their medications and use fake studies to sell their efficacy. The drug company GlaxoSmithKline was recently fined a mere $93,000 in Argentina for killing 14 babies during illegal lab vaccine trials in which the company falsified parental authorizations so that the babies could participate without legitimate parental permission. According to one pediatrician working at the public hospital  when GSK began recruiting babies for their illegal human trials, not only did GSK force illiterate parents into handing over their children, but they also “recruited” several doctors working at the hospital into their cause. The actual number of children affected may run in the thousands.

According to a study published in Human and Experimental Toxicology, the more vaccinated a baby is the more likely he is to die or suffer serious reaction.

Yet lawful gun owners are becoming the scapegoat for the mess Big Pharma is creating and more draconian, liberty stealing laws will likely result from the shooting.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Bob Livingston,

    SIR, I DISAGREE.

    MAYBE, AS TIME GOES ON, WE WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT Adam Lanza’s RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS MOTHER. A MAN’S MAMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT WOMAN IN HIS LIFE – WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS ARE SECONDARY.

    I GUARANTEE, Mr. Lanza HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIS MOTHER LONG BEFORE TAKING ANY DRUGS – PHARMACEUTICAL AND/OR ILLICIT.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      I FORGOT – I HAVE NOT WISHED YOU, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, Mr. Livingston.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,

        Thank you, And happy New Year to you and yours, as well!

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I’m sorry, but I strongly believe that you are wrong here.

        I don’t know about Adam’s relationship with his mother. Not one of us does, except the “official” story (propaganda) put out by the elite media.

        However, I do believe that he is part of a pool of mind-controlled young people who have been conditioned by the dark MIC to be used as patsies in the transformation of America (and the world) into a police state.

        This has been going on for nearly a century: the false flags and the incremental taking of our liberties (and dismantling of our Constitution), leading up to this time in our history. Every shooting by a “crazed lone gunman” since the days of Abe Lincoln (and even before)have been orchestrated by these same elite to “nudge” and herd us toward their ends.

        In this past century, mind control has been the order of the day, taking our kids and turning them into hapless and helpless tools of those who have the most nefarious intent. They have no respect for us or our children. Most probably these events are planned long before any of us can imagine. Since the elite control Hollywood as well, they love to taunt us with their symbols in the movies we are fed.

        I doubt if this young man was even the shooter, the same as the other “shooters”. They are patsies, and their lives are terminated on the spot, or they are whisked away to God-knows-where in order that they do not talk. Do some research on earlier shootings, such as those of JFK and all of the others, and there are always reports of “law enforcement” being on the spot even before they occur, and of other shooters being involved. Then the poor kids are blamed for the deed, and we are told how we need to give up our guns and our rights in order for us to be “safe”.

        CHRISTOPHER, I get the idea that you are pretty uninformed about the evil agendas which are afoot in America as the culmination of centuries of planning on the part of these elite bloodlines. It’s all coming out now, so there is no excuse for so many of us being in ignorance. This is how they have succeeded, because they know that the tendency of people is to not want to accept things which make them feel discomfort and challenge their beliefs.

        These events are not what they seem. Not by a long shot. It’s impossible for any of us to know the complete truth (it is arranged that way by a prostitute media), but we can search far and wide and come up with a pretty good idea of what is going on.

        I will tell you this: if we don’t come out of our misplaced, trusting stupor, we are doomed. Information is our best weapon, for we are controlled through our beliefs and our perceptions about reality.

        • deerinwater

          Killing is not anything Americans are not familiar with, ~ You speak in terms of “if Americans don’t wake up”, ~ reflecting on recent events and some kind of a dibolical “change” is coming over Americans.

          Here is some old news for you to ponder.

          Some of the great blood baths of the war came as Grant drove on Richmond in the spring of 1864- Confederate casualties are missing for this campaign, but were enormous. The Federal toll:

          The Wilderness, May 5-7: 17,666
          Spotsylvania, May 10 and 12: 10,920
          Drewry’s Bluff, May 12-16 4,160
          Cold Harbor, June 1-3: 2,000
          Petersburg, June 15-30 16,569

          This is just Union causalities figures and I serious doubt if these 36 thousand four hundred and two men owned 100 slaves between them all.

          We live in peaceful times my friend. ~ while our freedoms permits nut cases to run freely among us while some gun owners fails to secure their weapons properly.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes:
        “However, I do believe that he is part of a pool of mind-controlled young people who have been conditioned by the dark MIC to be used as patsies in the transformation of America (and the world) into a police state.”

        That is why I proposed that people stop looking for scapegoats and DEMAND our right to keep and bear (even scary) arms be PROTECTED as per contract (US Constitution).

        Give us back the best tools for self, family, neighborhood and community defense and it WILL NOT MATTER if the conspiracy is just a theory or a real conspiracy. We will neutralize the threat.

        It’s time to stop the madness.
        End Gun-Free Zones.

      • Kate8

        Well said, Vicki.

        And, as I have also stated, we need the biggest and baddest of weaponry in order to be safe from a militant state run amok. It will be of no use to have pop guns or knives when armored troops come to your house carrying fully automatics loaded with hollowpoints.

        Just what do people think the government wants with billions of rounds of hollowpoint ammo? Why do people think hundreds of huge mass grave pits have been dug all around the country?

        Conspiracies? You bet. Consider that these exact same things have been done many times in the past, in exactly the same ways. People were disarmed, the militaries came in, hundreds of millions were slaughtered and thrown into mass graves.

        This is, in fact, what this government has in mind, folks. They despise us. They have zero respect for people who would rather be “entitled” than responsible, who would sell out their countrymen for their own self-interest…; although they are always the ones used to provide them with the power they need to accomplish their real goals.

        They see us as stupid sheep. Look around. It appears that they are correct.

      • Charlie R

        I find it interesting that just prior to the holidays there were a rash of multiple killings caused by people (so called “nut cases”) with firearms. Almost seems like the these were made to order for the liberal left wing anti gun cabal. I suspect our government ( elites in Washington) are not beyond creating a crisis and never letting it go to waste.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I THINK Adam Lanza’s LIFE WOULD FIT THE “TEXTBOOK-CASE” DEFINITION OF A “LONER.”

        I BELIEVE AS A CHILD, Mr. Lanza WAS ISOLATED AND SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE ALONE; HIS CLASSMATES AND FAMILY PROBABLY THOUGHT HE WAS “weird.”

        [Think about it. A twenty-four- (or, twenty-) year-old male should "be out" partying with a different "chick" every night. But, NO! Mr. Lanza kills his mother and many others. A "loner" would do that after having a lifetime of sadness and facing constant ridicule. Any drugs taken, happened later in Mr. Lanza's life].

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Bob Livingston – THANKS, SIR.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – As I said, I don’t know who this young man was. All any of us knows is what the media reports, and they are the propaganda arm of the guv with an agenda.

        He may have had a wonderful mother. He may not have been the one who killed her. This scenario is highly suspect, and leaves many unanswered questions. If you have not been following the reports, then you are not aware of just how contrived this whole debacle was.

        Whoever he was, he was a human being who had his life stolen from him by those who used him for their own ends. There are many such as him, and he deserves to have the truth exposed about what really happened that day. What those in high places have done to millions and millions of our children is unconscienable, and they all deserve to be vindicated.

        These stories are now being exposed, and will continue to be. We are and will be learning things that we never would have imagined nor thought possible.

        Stay tuned. This is the biggest time in all of our history.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I VIEW THINGS FROM A “HUMAN” PERSPECTIVE. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A “NEW WORLD ORDER.” IF NATIONAL [OR, INTERNATIONAL] CHAOS “BREAKS-OUT,” THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS PROTECT MYSELF WITH MY BEST ABILITY.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, IF WE FIND SOME CONSPIRACY WAS “AFOOT” AT Sandy Hook Elementary, OR, WITH Mr. Lanza’s MOTHER, I WILL BE FIRST TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG.

        “Kate8,” I KNOW MANY Personal Libertarians DO NOT LIKE THE MEDIA – BUT, IT IS “ALL WE HAVE.” I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN THIS STORY BECAUSE I AM A PARTICIPANT ON THIS SITE. I HAVE MY OWN “ISSUES;” I HAVE NO TIME FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

        ONLINE MEDIA ALLOWS PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS ON THIS TYPE OF ISSUE. BUT, THE “BOTTOM-LINE” IS CHAOS HAS A “HAPHAZARD-” AND “GUERILLA-LIKE” -NATURE. NO ONE WILL KNOW HOW THEY WILL RESPOND BECAUSE WHEN CHAOS DOES “BREAK-OUT,” PEOPLE MAY BE ASLEEP, COOKING DINNER, ETC.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – A ‘conspiracy’ is simply two or more people plotting to manipulate the course of events for their own purposes. Conspiracies go on continually in all facets of life, as people try to arrange and influence life in their favor.

        What you are actually saying is that you have no time for the truth. Fine. Be a sheep and be content to accept the official story as told by those who commit atrocities and blame them on others in order to influence mass thinking. This is why we are in such a mess…people just can’t be bothered to actually think beyond the pablum their fed over the controlled media.

        You say you come here to discuss things. Really. Well, if there is nothing to discuss, why bother? If what we hear is the final word, then we should all just go back to the couch and channel surf ’til our heart’s content. After all, BigBro is there to take care of us. No need for us to bother our heads about the things they are doing all around us.

        Too many people today are too caught up in indulging their fantasies to be bothered with the fact that the wrong people are taking us down a very dark path. The walk through La La Land will come to an abrupt halt soon, and reality will be a major shock.

        Zzzzzzzzzzz. That’s okay. They have meds for it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, YOU LOST FOCUS.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, WHEN YOU ARE IN THE CAR AND THE CAR AHEAD OF YOU STOPS ABRUPTLY, YOU MAY HAVE TO “SWERVE,” IN ORDER TO AVOID A CATASTROPHE.

        GUN-LOVERS ARE TRYING TO “SWERVE” BEFORE THE CATASTROPHE “HITS.” “Kate8,” IF THE CATASTROPHE “HITS,” I AM WITH YOU AND PREPARED FOR ACTION. UNTIL THEN – AS, Chip Wood SAYS – I WILL KEEP MY POWDER DRY.

      • oh oh

        Here’s an interesting website that tracks SSRI stories, antidepressant nightmares involving Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) (SSRIs), including 66 school shootings/incidents involving SSRIs:

        http://www.ssristories.com/index.html

        “Most of the stories on this site describe events that occurred after the year 2000.  The increase in online news material and the efficiency of search engines has greatly increased the ability to track stories.  Even these 4,800+ documented stories only represent the tip of an iceberg since most stories do not make it into the media. There are 115 cases of bizarre behavior, 66 school shootings/incidents, 68 road rage tragedies, 19 air rage incidents, 101 arson cases, 70 postpartum depression cases, over 1,000 murders (homicides) or murder attempts, over 300 murder-suicides (30% committed by women) and other acts of violence including workplace violence on this site.  There are also over 100 Journal Articles and FDA reports listed in the Index.  They are at the top of the Index immediately below the 66 school shootings/incidents and the 29 “won” criminal cases.”

        The list of 66 school shootings/incidents — all accompanied by SSRIs — is located at:

        http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date&p=school

        • deerinwater

          I think that you have uncovered a wealth of data, if it will hold up as being solid data and not being presented by someone with an ax to grind and taking liberties with facts.

        • deerinwater

          So Vicky , a fetus is a person at conception?

          and murder is the intent to kill?

          Your conviction would make women the single largest collection of murders in the world Vicky.

          That would made this “Next Day Pill” a weapon.

          I just don’t believe your convictions are enforceable much less believed by a majority of women.

    • Geiser Carol

      I do agree, Christopher, that Lanza is very likely a product of some really LOUSY child rearing and with NO child LOVING, but I also am completely certain that we are a DRUG ADDICTED SOCIETY today. We are a society of LEGAL drug addictions even greater than ILLEGAL drugs. And, when all medical care providers are so bribed and brainwashed into prescribing drugs for every damn thing that a patient suffers from, there is something very very very wrong with our medical care providers. I know personally from my recent medical check up. I told the Doctor and her assistant that I DO NOT TAKE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, but I DO take nutrient supplements. They just did NOT know how to respond to me other than saying that sometimes drugs are necessary. I said yes, but ONLY on rare occasions!

      • Paul Wells

        Geiser, You have no evidence on which to base the claim that Mrs. Lanza was anything other than a great mother. I think your baseless claim is cruel and demeaning. I think Adam Lanza was sick in the head, manipulative and a ticking time bomb. I get sick of people posting without a clue, or a shred of empathy. When all else fails, go after the parenting. Sometimes it’s not the parenting, so ding ding ding, no prize!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Geiser Carol,”

        THANKS. BUT, WE MUST DEAL WITH W-H-Y PEOPLE TURN TO DRUGS. THE ANSWER IS, P-A-I-N!

        PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUNCTION – AT A HIGH LEVEL – IN PUBLIC. BUT, “BEHIND CLOSED DOORS,” THEY COULD BE FILLED WITH A “DARKNESS” WHICH IS CAPABLE OF “UNSPEAKABLE EVIL.”

        I GUARANTEE, IF PEOPLE SAW Adam Lanza OR Timothy McVeigh AT THE GROCERY STORE THEY WOULD HAVE SAID, “Oh, what nice young men!”

      • eddie47d

        Paul Wells; You post without a clue every chance you get LOL! The question is why aren’t certain drugs banned? This is corporate America and they run this country. They can do as they please or haven’t you figured that out yet? They also own the weapons manufacturers and the killings will continue whether from Big Pharma or the gun companies. Quit bowing down to your corporate masters for they aren’t your friends!

        • deerinwater

          Most of these bloggers, hate people on some level ~ yet they seem to suggest with every posting more people is just what we need.

          It’s darn funny if you stand back far enough to see the big picture.

          They don’t really like people but they defend everything that will ensure more people.

      • http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/ blogengeezer

        It is well documented that the USA, ever since the ill conceived beginning of the wealth redistribution plan of ‘The Great Society’, has been increasingly addicted to Drugs. the USA consumes 82% of the entire world’s production of Oxycodones in their various forms. SSRI’s are another well kept secret, Franapt reportedly being the mind altering drug administered to Lanza. Who really knows, or will ever reveal when he was put on the now universally govt administered ‘baby formula’ of Ritalin, to bring out his ‘real’ potential character. The USA is fulfilling prophecy as the world class consumers of ‘Pharmacia’. We now will all suffer our own self induced Consequences. As soldiers, historically faced with inevitable annihilation, ie; ‘When all else Fails’, Prayer is the last resort. Time to Pray yet?

    • Karma Michele

      Your use of all caps reveals your ignorance.

      • TIME

        Dear Karma,

        Perhaps his eye sight is not all that good. Did you ever think about that?
        Perhaps its you that’s the ignorant one? Did you ever think about that?

        Open your mind ~ think outside the blind that you were programed to be within.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • phideaux

        Dear Time, the poor vision excuse carries very little weight. If he had vision problems bad enough that he needed to use all caps he would have a lot of trouble reading the other posts and the article itself. From the quickness of his responses at times it is apparent that is not likely to be the case. Also, he has been asked repeatedly why he uses all caps and has not even bothered to recognize the question much less give a coherent answer to it.

      • Kate8

        Perhaps CHRISTOPHER like caps as a sort of signature. He reverses caps and lower case from what the rest of us use. So what. Obviously, he is not concerned with anyone’s opinion on it as he has been chided about it repeatedly.

        He considers himself to be different from the rest of us in many ways. Some people like to make subtle statements by various means. I think we should not concern ourselves with how anyone chooses to present himself. If we don’t like it, don’t read it. We should focus on our own content and expression, and stop criticizing others for theirs. At least CHRISTOPHER is always polite and respectful, and that is worth a lot more than the nastiness and attacks of many others on this site.

        I also do not believe that this has any bearing on his intelligence whatsoever. I do not know who his is, but he always seems thoughtful and honest to me. For this reason I believe that he deserves the same respect and acceptance as any of us.

        CHRISTOPHER, I know that you can speak for yourself, so I am not so much sticking up for you as I am reminding everyone to search within themselves before lashing out at others. Our eagerness to pounce on others for small things is indicative of why we are in so much trouble as a people. It’s a good thing for all of us to look at, whether we agree on things or not.

      • Vicki

        I agree with Kate8. Let us allow CAH his freedom to express himself his way and we can ignore or read as WE choose.

        (Besides we have no power to stop him so just enjoy the ride :) )

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “TIME” [SIR], “Kate8″ AND “Vicki” [MA'AMS] – YOUR SUPPORT MEANS A LOT TO ME.

      • Vicki

        You’re welcome CAH. And Happy (almost) New year.

    • Katrin

      That may be true, but it does not chage the fact that he did this horrible act after taking the drugs for some time. They are many neglected children that grow up to be some of the best people in our community. As far as I know most if not all of the mass shooters have been on some kind of medication that the side effect include violence and sueside. How many kids/people need to be murdered before someone start paying attention to the real problem FDA created and the fact that this organization has nothing to do with protecting people, just the opposit.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        If anyone is in doubt about just how dangerous these mind bending psychotropic drugs are, check this out: http://ssristories.com/index.php

        In particular, read the story about one of the kids from Columbine, along with the story about the teacher who shot his superintendent and is now serving a life sentence.

        I personally know someone who went bonkers on Lexapro. (Her husband referred to it as “Hellapro”). She moved out of her beautiful home in the middle of the night, and into a tiny apartment where she signed a one year lease. She thought her husband and kids were “stifling” her creativity. After a couple of days, she was in a state of total confusion and couldn’t figure out why she had done this. She said it was one of the scariest things she had ever gone through, almost as if another person was inhabiting her body.

        It would be great if more people understood that most mental problems are due to poor nutritional habits (especially eating wheat products), and inadequate supplementation with vitamins/minerals. I used to have a problem with terrible anxiety, but read an article about trans-dermal magnesium gel, and decided to give it a try. As far as I am concerned, that stuff is a miracle in a bottle. My anxiety and impatience disappeared in a few days after I started using it and I felt better than I had in years. It also curbed my appetite. I mentioned it to my holistic D.O. and she said a huge percentage of people in this country are magnesium and Vitamin D3 deficient.

      • Bill

        Carlucci,
        I agree with you, we need to be looking to nutrition and not drugs

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – You are so right about this. Someone very close to me lived through years of hell due to pharmaceuticals prescribed for “bi-polar disorder”. Finally, with my encouragment and support (as no one else would understand how dangerous the drugs are), she weaned herself off of the drugs and is now feeling well.

        These drugs cause episodes of psychosis and suicidal tendencies, provoking the most bizarre behaviors. They cause extreme mineral deficiencies, as well, causing drastic imbalances in potassium and magnesium. Anyone on these drugs needs to supplement these things in order to minimize the episodes of psychosis and muscular damage. When potassium balance is disturbed only slightly, confusion and psychosis occur, and this is known. These drugs also terribly damage the heart and kidneys, as well as the liver.

        Pharmaceuticals are dangerous. Iatrogenic disease (drug/doctor-induced disease) is the THIRD largest killer in America, from drugs being used as directed.

        For you Obamacare supporters, I suggest you get a clue about why this is being thrust on us. Our medical system is owned and operated by an occult cabal, and is a system of disease and death, and this is why it is so criminal to have it being FORCED on us. Anything which is truly good does not have to be FORCED. The plan of this monstrosity is to have us ALL controlled by the use of chemicals, with the ultimate goal of absolute control over life and death of the populations of Earth.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Katrin,”

        DO YOU BELIEVE DRUGS CAN “STRING-OUT A PERSON SO FAR,” THAT HE/SHE WOULD KILL HER/HIS OWN MOTHER WITHOUT A PRE-EXISTING CIRCUMSTANCE?

    • Pete Sagi

      I suppose I could try to wax eloquent on the issue of these nutcase drugs, but why bother … I put it all to song lyrics sometime back. So here it is, enjoy.

      Pete

      Prozac Party
      (Tune of Let’s Spend the Night Together)

      My, My, My, My …
      I don’t worry ’bout what’s on my mind (Oh my),
      Time for me to chemically unwind.
      My doctor told me to take what’s prescribed (take what’s prescribed),
      And don’t care about my brain gettin’ fried!
      To get high, I’ll fry, fry, fry (oh my),
      Time for a Prozac party,
      I’m depressed and over forty,
      Time for a Prozac party now!

      I’m so bummed out, that I will reprise (oh my),
      Time for a Prozac party,
      I need these pills, just to get my highs (oh yeah),
      Time for a Prozac party,
      For my hang-ups, and all my let downs (all my let downs),
      These pills keep me groovin’ around and around and around,
      Oh my, my …
      Time for a Prozac party,
      I’m depressed and over forty,
      Time for a Prozac party,

      Time for a Prozac party,
      I’m depressed and over forty,

      I do some fryin’ baby,
      It’ gets me flyin’ baby,
      It’s been decided baby; now-
      I’m depressed and over forty,
      It’s time for a Prozac party,
      Time for a Prozac party now!

      I need my pills to get me through each day (oh my),
      Time for a Prozac party,
      No excuse is needed anyway (oh my),
      Time for a Prozac party,
      Prozac sets aside my every need (every need),
      And it satisfies big pharma’s greed.
      Oh my, my, my, my, my …

      Time for a Prozac party,
      I’m depressed and over forty,
      Time for a Prozac party now!

      • Mike in MI

        Pete Sagi -
        Saggy or not that takes a lot of effort – and not too bad. Thanks

  • Doc Sarvis

    It’s not the drugs that kill people, it’s the people who take drugs that kill people.

    • Karolyn

      Good point Doc. It’s up to the people to be educated about what they are putting in their bodies and to question their doctors. The majority take whatever the doctor will give them, although it has gotten better over the years with the internet.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Doc Sarvis,

      You must have missed this paragraph: The Food and Drug Administration, which approves these drugs, recognizes that more 100,000 adverse drug reaction (ADR) deaths occur each year. ADRs is the fourth leading cause of death, ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Doc Sarvis

        And the NRA promotes assult weapons.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Doc: And the NRA promotes assult weapons.

        Sorry Doc, you’re confused. It is Mr. Holder who promotes the use of assault weapons through the “Fast and Furious” program. You have him to thank for, for the proliferation of “assault weapons”!

      • eddie47d

        The Fast and Furious plan backfired and not much different than the NRA’s plan of arming everyone. Enough of this foolishness from both sides. They both are failing the test and something new needs to be tried!

      • Mike in MI

        edda –
        Fast and Furious failed basically because it was illicit, unwise, from crooks to crooks, planned by liberals, carried out by liberals, under liberal principles (bribery, murder, deceit, divisiveness, corruption, insane cruelty, stupidity), carried to liberals, for Godless purposes and to make a Godly/wise purposes and conduct look horrid. How is it you, edda, didn’t get involved?

    • Karma Michele

      No, that would be the drug pushin’ doctors that kill people.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Psychiatry is a harmful and dangerous practice which is disabling and debilitating the lives of millions of people through so -called anti-psychotic drugs and E.C.T. There is a need for people to wake up to this fundamentally flawed practice and the harm it is causing and work for human rights for people labelled “mentally ill”!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – Since you seem to have the answers, what is your solution?

      • Mike in MI

        Karolyn -
        Many people who are “depressed” are simply malnourished or their moms were during their gestation. Much of it could be corrected if caught and corrected by proper nutritional support to the babies through the first two years. That’s the developmental “window” to improve lots of things in people’s brains – the meat. The “minds”? That’s up to Mom and Dad – if the kid is fortunate enough to have a set, nowadays. But, that would require us to put a lot of govt, agencies out of commission and return to some basic morality and “uncommon” sense.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn: Jay – Since you seem to have the answers, what is your solution?

        Firstly, shut down the Psychiatric industry, for starters, and charge all psychiatrists with pre-meditated murder of millions!. Psychiatry is a scam and a fraud perpetrated on unsuspecting-dolts who will believe every non-sense that comes out of the field of psychiatry, as the Gospel. These people possess zero critical thinking skills and are like sheep to the slaughter!

        Secondly, reverse the brain-washing administered on millions of Americans that running to the doctors rather then being self-responsible for your own health, is the better way to go and will keep you alive. NONSENSE! Your chances of being murdered at the hands of the health-care system, are excellent, and in your favour, if early death is what you are seeking.

        Thirdly, i would promote, rather than suppress, the wonderful and life-saving properties of natural supplements and good-nutrition!

        And lastly, re-educate the American public in personal-responsibility, and to the truth that one’s actions, wether good or bad, are the direct result of choice, and not from some idiotic, fairy-tale notion of mental-illness!

        What’s your solution, Karolyn?

      • Bill

        WTS Jay,
        Good post. I agree with you 100%

      • Kate8

        Very good points, Jay. And what is even more concerning is the expansion of just what constitutes mental illness.

        Children do not play like they used to. Most kids have no place outdoors to play, and even those who do prefer to be indoors hooked into video games. Kids have boundless energy, and need to expend it somehow. Hence, kids with not means of running off this energy are pegged as “hyperactive” or as having ADHD and placed on drugs so they don’t disrupt adults who are trying to focus on their own pursuits.

        Further, emotions are being seen as abnormal more and more. If you have a feeling there must be something wrong with you. Well, I suppose in a society which is over-regulated, repressed and restricted, frustrations erupt. Can’t have that. It is truly enough to make sane people crazy.

        The elite are attempting social engineering in order to create a slave race which is no threat to them. They need servants who aren’t very bright nor will they be interested in being independent. So they use every means to alter DNA and IQ, and to drug away any energy except as much as is necessary for basic function.

        Drugs are a great way to dumb-down, control, and regulate life spans. Add these to poisonous vaccines, toxic water, food and air, electronic frequency control, and use media to create whatever perception of ‘reality’ they desire for the masses to believe, and…well, it takes a really strong person to understand the situation and to maintain personal integrity.

        Again, information is our best defense.

      • Mike in MI

        Katey Lately –
        Well my oh me. I’d say your integrity is well nigh unassailable – since you ain’t adrift either, seems it’s be pretty securely anchored.
        What I want to know is who did what to Kate8 and who’re you? Where’s that neat, sweet, petite girl I talked to first a few years ago here?
        We may be growing old, but we seem not to be doing it gratefully…uh, gracefully. Or, slippin’ off into the ether without a ripple in the space-time continuum. QUIETLY, either.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Kate8, you and i are on the same-page on many issues, this one particular. Your above comment, is right on point!!!

      • Kate8
    • Joz

      Yes: its’ not the drugs and not the guns! here: Want to stop the violence? Here is the answer:
      Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
      Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
      Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
      Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
      Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
      Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
      Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
      Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
      A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
      Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
      A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
      Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
      TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
      Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
      James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
      Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
      Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
      Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
      Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
      Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
      Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
      Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
      Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
      Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
      Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
      Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
      Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
      (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
      Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
      Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
      Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
      Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
      A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
      Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
      Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
      Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
      Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
      Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
      Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
      New York high school.
      Perhaps rather than gun-control, we should be looking closer to instituting pharma-
      control?
      Thanks to Watcher Tom for this list!

    • Vicki

      Doc Sarvis says:
      “It’s not the drugs that kill people, it’s the people who take drugs that kill people.”

      So what is your opinion about people and guns?

      • Kate8

        Another example of how liberals twist and play with reason to fit their purpose.

        • deerinwater

          Yea, kinda like “person hood” and “pro life” ~ If an individual is considered a person at conception, ~ while a mother has 9 months to move about ~ how will citizenship be determined? How might it be documented? Who wants such a task?

          Laws makes criminals, ~ more laws, more criminals. More laws, less freedom. I guess we are going to whittle ourselves down to tommytons .

          Sick and deranged people kills people and it’s not against the law to be sick.

      • Kate8

        deer – Sorry, but there is no political jargon in the honoring of life above all else.

        I do believe it is the libs who twist words, to use your topic, “pro-choice”. This translates as the right to kill if you so choose. Perhaps, tell it like it is: murder.

        We either honor life or we don’t. It’s that simple.

      • Vicki

        deerinwater says:
        “Yea, kinda like “person hood” and “pro life” ~ If an individual is considered a person at conception, ~ while a mother has 9 months to move about ~ how will citizenship be determined?”

        Judging from your photo you were not born yesterday. You know very well how citizenship is determined. Liberals/progressives have been telling us for 4 years.

      • Vicki

        deerinwater writes:
        “Laws makes criminals, ~ more laws, more criminals. More laws, less freedom.”

        More laws do not necessarily equal less freedom. In the particular case you were implying more laws equal maintaining the freedom of the child to LIVE.

        Recently several of us have stopped mincing words and now call the act what it is. Murder.

        • deerinwater

          Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)

          mal·ice [mal-is] Show IPA
          noun
          1.
          desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness: the malice and spite of a lifelong enemy.
          2.
          Law. evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act .

          Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae, and the only extant species of the genus Homo. They originated in Africa, where they reached anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago.

          Life cycle

          As with other mammals, human reproduction takes place as internal fertilization by sexual intercourse. During this process, the erect penis of the male is inserted into the female’s vagina until the male ejaculates semen, which contains sperm. The sperm travels through the vagina and cervix into the uterus or Fallopian tubes for fertilization of the ovum. Upon fertilization and implantation, gestation then occurs within the female’s uterus.

          The zygote divides inside the female’s uterus to become an embryo, which over a period of 38 weeks (9 months) of gestation becomes a fetus. After this span of time, the fully grown fetus is birthed from the woman’s body and breathes independently as an infant for the first time.

          At this point, most modern cultures recognize the baby as a person entitled to the full protection of the law, though some jurisdictions extend various levels of personhood earlier to human fetuses while they remain in the uterus.

          Compared with other species, human childbirth is dangerous. Painful labors lasting 24 hours or more are not uncommon and sometimes lead to the death of the mother, the child or both. This is because of both the relatively large fetal head circumference and the mother’s relatively narrow pelvis. The chances of a successful labor increased significantly during the 20th century in wealthier countries with the advent of new medical technologies. In contrast, pregnancy and natural childbirth remain hazardous ordeals in developing regions of the world, with maternal death rates approximately 100 times greater than in developed countries.

          The construction of the human pelvis differs from other primates, as do the toes. As a result, humans are slower for short distances than most other animals, but are among the best long-distance runners in the animal kingdom.

          So ~ human child birth is dangerous due in part to a small pelvis and the worlds medical community has taken pain to explain when the zygote divides and becomes an embryo and at what stage a fetus in seen to as a human person.

          So please tell us Vicky where you believe person-hood exist that differs from doctors and the legal community and what affords you this insights that you would call someone a murder?

      • Vicki

        deerinwater says:
        “So please tell us Vicky where you believe person-hood exist that differs from doctors and the legal community and what affords you this insights that you would call someone a murder?”

        As you pointed out from the moment of of conception the baby will grow and as long as it is provided with the proper environment (food water protection from the elements as it were) the baby will grow and eventually become an adult. Who are you to say when the baby is sacred and deserves protection. Why do you take some arbitrary time in the baby’s life to be when it is to be protected instead of from the beginning (Conception).

        Next you ask what affords me this insight that I would call abortion by its rightful name of murder most foul.

        The legal definition of murder affords me this insight.
        http://nationalparalegal.edu/public_documents/courseware_asp_files/criminalLaw/homicide/Murder.asp

  • “Homer”

    NOW this is some news every American can use! The deal is: the pharma co’s take UNnatural chemicals and put them together, and they make a drug that may fight the disease, or it may not! however, if people had noticed, or even cared, they would have remembered that if and when the drug even works, they alwasy have side effects, and they always (required) tell you of the side effects! you know, dry mouth and yada yada yada all the way to heart failure and maybe in sone cases…death! The law requires them to warn people! Strangley enough; how about the latest and greatest in some named drug which is pumped up to be sooooo great and then everyone takes it, who needs it, then years later you have lawyers on TV asking if “YOU” have ever had complications on the drug that was supposed to end your pain etc! Natural drugs work..let me give you an example….sounds sick but……..IT WORKS (and NO one can take it away LOL) when as a boy about 14 Y.O. I got athlets feet so bad, and i tried everything….NOTHING worked…NOTHING! MY dad saw what had happened and he gave me an order, he said “son” go to the bathroom and pee in the toilet, then put your feet in it and just dry it but don’t wash it….I put up a fuss…OHHHHHHH that’s sick! But, dad gave me an order, and as it turned out…it cleared up in about 10 days and NEVER returned…that was in 1969! How about cancer….B-17 can’t get it? Well just get some acorns…eat green acorns …don’t worry no one will cut all the acorn trees down…sure they are bitter, but if it tastes good it’s probably no good for you…..I have more but…..loose lips sink ships!!

  • hipshotpercusion

    A study done some years ago suggests that Doctors regularly misdiagnose and accidentally kill more people in this country than guns do.

    • Karma Michele

      From my own experiences I would have to agree with that study.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Doctors, as a profession, are not a threat against tyranny. Guns owned by the average person are.

      • Joz

        average people are average…. they have no ‘beef’ to grind with anyone per se… it’s the lunatics that pick up guns that kill .

    • Mike in MI

      Hips -
      Look up “Death by Medicine”, Gary Nunn, PhD. He clearly established that TRADITIONAL medicine (not the Integrative Medics) is far and away the greatest threat to your longevity available anywhere today. The numbers are staggering. Of course, doing a similar study today would be impossible due to passage since of HIPPAA constraints on information availability. My personal opinion is that they passed those laws, regardless what else they may say, primarily to make sure no one ever gets hold of such evidence again.
      You know the drill, it’s bad and we ought to change but that would be too hard and it might require we acquire some humility…to say nothing about,”My god how the money rolls in, rolls in. Sick or well, short or tall, we still treat one and all. Oh god, bring ‘em, we’ll roll ‘em, on in.”

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Unfortunately, billions spent on psychiatry are worse than wasted. One look at our schools or any of the other areas psychiatry promised to improve – and not only failed to improve, but actually made worse – serves as proof.

    Psychiatry’s promise that its programs would prevent mental “illness” is of interest. At the turn of the century, less than one in 1,000 people were considered mentally ill.

    After psychiatry secured massive funding increases in the 1960s for “preventive mental health” programs, that number jumped to one in ten.

    Today, psychiatrists claim that half of the population are candidates for their couches, drugs or electric shock tables.

    Herein lies the basic fraud – the concept of mental illness itself. According to author and professor of psychiatry emeritus, Thomas Szasz, M.D., mental illness itself is a MYTH. “A disease is a change in tissues rather than behavior,” he said. “Behavior is in the realm of morals, religion and law.”

    Psychiatry, therefore, is an instrument of social control, masquerading as medical science.

    “Mental illness” is an extension of German psychologist Wilhelm Wundt’s proposition that man has no soul. Though Wundt had no proof of his theory, what he advanced in the 19th century has been a linchpin of the psychiatric industry ever since. And today, a century and billions of research dollars later, psychiatry is still trying to prove this position.

    “Psychiatric hospitals, psychiatric wings of general hospitals, and addiction treatment centers are still largely trolling for customers who have insurance.”
    – Joe Sharkey

    This fact was affirmed in March 1996 by Rex Cowdry, the then director of the National Institute of Mental Health. Cowdry was called before a subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations of the U.S. House of Representatives to explain the vast sums wasted on absurd projects by NIMH. These, he said, were necessary because: “We don’t know the causes [of mental illness]. We don’t have the methods of ‘curing’ these illnesses yet.”

    Psychiatrists have also failed to prove the existence of these maladies, but this detail has not prevented the list of “illnesses” from growing each year. In 1952, the American Psychiatric Association published its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM). It listed 112 mental disorders, up from seven in 1880.

    In 1968, the manual was revised and called the DSM-II. It listed 163 mental disorders, including a whole new category of “Behavior Disorders of Childhood and Adolescence.”

    These new ailments – each of which could be considered a “handicap” – appeared shortly after psychiatry procured federal funding for treating handicapped children.

    Commentary in the DSM-II revealed that the listed “disorders” had not been established by scientific evidence but by a committee which voted on whether they existed. Later versions of the DSM used this same “scientific” criterion – “electing” new disorders.

    When the DSM-IV was published in 1994, the number of mental disorders listed jumped to 374. While this manual provides an extensive list of mental disorders, it admits that no definition specifies precise boundaries for the concept of a “mental disorder.”

    http://psychfraud.freedommag.org/page04a.htm

    • Karolyn

      There are people with imbalances in their brain and brain misfunction which will cause mental illness. Food allergies can also affect people mentally.
      http://www.wholeapproach.com/newsletter/archives/2003/04_April.html

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Psychiatry is not a medical science. It is based on fraud and deception. It is nothing more than voodoo administered by crack-pots and unscrupulous idiots!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn: There are people with imbalances in their brain and brain misfunction which will cause mental illness.

        Mental illness is a “fairy-tale” invented by German psychologist Wilhelm Wundt who claimed man has no soul!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WTS/JAY, you say mental illness is a fairy tale. YOU ARE WRONG!!! It’s causes and treatments may be debatable but it’s existence is NOT!!!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – Obviously, you have had no experience with someone close to you being mentally ill olived or, for that matter, ANYBODY with mental illness. I have lived with it and been a close friend and mentor to people who suffer from it. Reading the words of people who actually may be mentally ill themselves and itellectually taking them for gospel is a lot different than hands-on experience.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Mental illness as defined by psychiatry is definitely a fairy-tale, Nancy! If disease is a change in tissue(s), how do pysco-tropic drugs ameliorate the condition, Nancy? If mental illness truly is a disease, then surgery, not pysco-tropic drugs should be the method of
        treatment. Pscyco-tropic drugs affect behaviour, they do nothing to remedy biological
        anomalies!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn: Obviously, you have had no experience with someone close to you being mentally ill olived or, for that matter, ANYBODY with mental illness.

        This is where you are wrong and have assumed too much, Karolyn. One of my best friends has been on psycho-tropic drugs for the last 35 years. Prior to that, he was absolutely normal. One of his unique characteristics, as far as i was concerned, was his vivid and colourful imagination. For some reason, this was a concern to his parents, who thought it best that he should undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Naturally and predictably, the “Quack” that examined him diagnosed him with suffering “mental illness”. The “Quacks” proof? ZERO!!! For the last 35 years, he has been on “Voodoo-meds”, and has not and cannot function, period! He is considered completely disabled and is on permanent, government-assistance. Yet, prior to his diagnosis, he managed to accomplish impressive educational achievements, held a full-time job, was ranked #2 in Tea-Kwon-do in North-America, and was happily married. Now, thanks to the “Medical Quackery” we call psychiatry, he is a vegetable, and completely disabled! And he is just one, example i could site you. Don’t tell me i know not of what i speak of, Karolyn.

      • Karolyn

        Jay – A man I lived with for five years was diagnosed as a schizophrenic. He heard voices. He was extremely talented; taught himself how to play guitar, flute and violin. He wrote poetry and songs, and everybody loved him. We had one really good year when he was on a medication that stabilized him, and he was even able to work. unfortunately, the side effects of the medication bothered him too much and he went off it. On time, while at the mental health center, he went outside in the middle of town, took his clothes off and stretched his arms to the sky. I spent hours finding a bed in a hospital for him. He became increasingly unstable until he started to get violent with me and was eventually arrested for that violence. They could not even find a proper combination of medications to keep him “normal,” and he didn’t want them anyway. He resorted to self medication via alcohol. I had to listen to his torment day in and day out. He told me the only time he felt good was in the shower, and he showered several times a day. I would listen to him upstairs by himself arguing with the voices in his head and crying. It was heart-wrenching. He had been hospitalized several times and was finally put into a state institution because he admitted to the doctors that the voices were telling him to harm himself or someone else. He subsequently became homeless; and I recently found out that he died in ’07 at the age of 58. Now you are telling me there is no such thing as mental illness. I suppose he just made himself this way? I sponsored several people in AA who had diagnoses because no one else would bother with them. Their lives were pitiful, even the one whose family was wealthy. They placed her in a state-of-the-art halfway house that used nutrition and other methods besides medication; however, it was very difficult to even hold a normal conversation with her. She led a very unhappy life. I don’t care what your experts say; mental illness does exist. You should know that I am not a drug proponent; however, there are times when they are the only method to use in order to have a person live a somewhat stable life. I could tell more stories; however, I think I have made my point.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn: Now you are telling me there is no such thing as mental illness.

        Mental illness as defined by Psychiatry? Absolutely not! Did the man suffer from a physical anomaly? Possibly… but why restrict diagnosis to the physical as the only explanation for deviant-behaviour? If “physical illness” is always the explanation as to why people behave abnormally, we will eventually relegate all deviant-behaviour to a physical abnormality, and divest all, regardless of behaviour, from personal responsibility! Are you aware, Karolyn, that there is no room for God or his laws and principles in the horrid profession of psychiatry? It is the classic example of the blind and the sick, leading the blind and the sick! Is it any wonder no one ever gets healed?

      • Kate8

        I think there are ample evidence of mental disorders which have always been around. In times past they were called demon possessions.

        There is also no doubt that they are far more prevalent today, and for many reasons. I would say that environmental chemical exposure and gross deficiencies play a major role, as well as things like mercury and other toxins in vaccines which everyone receives from birth, insuring that the child never reaches his full potential.

        Add some TV and other mind control, and you have the perfect recipe for mal-adjustment.

        We don’t learn to interact with others in the caring capacity that we used to. We don’t respect life nor have a sense of a higher Consciousness. We are ‘as in the days of Noah’, when all flesh had been corrupted.

        We have the opportunity now to choose which direction to go from here. The time the Harvest is rapidly approaching, it would seem.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 -
        Exactly and eloquently correct. However, mental problems may be generated by either physical causes, spiritual causes or childhood training. The difficult thing is you can get extremely similar behavioral characteristics from one cause to the others.
        No matter what the cause is the afflicted individual must have the desire and personal discipline to change and get delivered. Since drugs tend to deaden brain functions they seldom can add anything to the process. They tend only to mask the affliction’s symptoms and suppress sick activities by screwing with brain centers that may not be awry.
        If the cause is spiritual the best hope of delivering spiritual causes is getting rid of the spirit by a properly trained believer who knows how to operate the power of God.Then the person who has been fixed needs to want to learn how to keep control of his own mind by becoming a faithful disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, the whole thing will start all over again. Once it’s gone, keep it out. Time, effort, faithfuness and leadership are required.
        (It makes no difference how many letters the minister has following his name. Jesus Christ didn’t have ANY professional certification. He just believed God.)

      • Mike in MI

        BTW, It has been learned they had a copy of the O.T. scrolls in Nazreth. That would be where he got his primary education about his life’s purpose and how to carry it out. He found out about God’s will for his life by personally studying in depth the scriptures available to and written for him.
        If he is supposed to be our example how can it be any less for us if we want to know God’s will for us. Course if you don’t want to know, just be satisfied with potpourri and don’t get upset when it comes upon you.

      • Kate8

        Agreed, Mike in MI. I have stated before that no matter what the kind of disorder a person manifests, the true source is always of the soul.

        You simply cannot have complete healing on the physical level alone. Unless the underlying cause is healed, it will continue to manifest in one way or another.

        Our physical being is simply the manifestation of our consciousness. Our true condition depends on our relationship with Spirit. That is why the heart which opens with the Christ Spirit is made clean and whole, and heals the entire being.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The “mental health professionals” need the population to be menatally ill how else would they justify their education, their jobs, their existance, their life. So they keep everbody mentally ill so that they can feel good.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Notice that the “mental health professionals” don’t classify themselves as mentally ill.

      • Karolyn

        That disregards those who are in the profession to help others. What a jaded view of life you have, Nadzieja.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Actually Nadzieja, the “mental health professionals” need the population, TO BELIEVE, they are mentally ill, how else would they justify their education, their jobs, their existance, their life!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn: That disregards those who are in the profession to help others.

        Help others? They have yet to show any proof of such. Unless, of course, you consider a life-long dependance of psycho-drugs till death as helping others, Karolyn? It appears to be nothing more then population-control, while at the same time racking in MASSIVE-PROFITS! Helping others? More like helping themselves at the expense of the non-thinking, dumb dumbs!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – You are discounting good therapists and psychologists. I have no love for psychiatrists. As a matter of fact, an ex-friend of mine has been ruined with medications a highly respected NYC psychiatrist has had her on for years. There are good and bad in any profession.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I have seen very few people truly helped by any professionals in the field of psychology. They may, at times, succeed in behavioral alterations, but they leave out the most crucial aspect of any healing: the healing that comes from the emergence of the Christed Heart.

        We can never be whole as long as we are merely physical beings. The very definition of such an existence is to be fragmented.

        When Christ is birthed within us, all is healed and made whole. Wholeness is recognizing and living from spirit, which puts all things right. Short of that, we are but grasping at straws and always looking outside of ourselves for answers which cannot exist anywhere but within our true selves.

        This is the reason why any form of medicine or therapy (other than those which recognize body/mind/spirit) fails.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I do agree with you; however, the only real remedy is education. I don’t see how a total reversal of society can be done, which is what is really needed. The only thing we can do is to spread the word for a gradual change. Unfortunately, you can’t force people to change, so there is a need for some kind of stop-gap to assist them in remedying symptoms. I have been successful in influencing some people regarding natural methods and the mind/body connection; but when faced with the magnitude of the problem, it almost appears hopeless. However, I guess as with many things, it’s one step at a time; and any little change we can affect is a step in the right direction. I think the main focus needs to be on kids for a better future, but then you’re up against resistant ignorant parents. It is such a complex situation, and there really are no easy answers. All we can do is carry the word. As I write this, I can see it applying to you and your quest to convince people of your beliefs of what is occurring politically in the world.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I’m not sure I see what your point is about my “convincing” people about my political views. All I want…have ever wanted…is the truth to be exposed. Unless we are willing to see what the truth is, there is no hope of changing it.

        There are many things of which you remain unaware and blissfully ignorant. That is your choice. It is my nature to face what IS regardless of how uncomfortable, and that means not only the truth about the world, but also about myself, because at the end of it all, we ARE the world.

        I have had to deal with very ill people, as well, and have resorted to the drugs to gain help for those affected when they were too out of control. That was many years ago, when I didn’t know as much as I know now.

        In any case, these drugs are extremely dangerous and deadly when used for anything but very short term crises alleviation. Long term they result in great damage to the person using them, and great grief to those who love them. Their personalities go flat, and they are unable to relate in social situations, usually just remaining largely withdrawn. That is no way to live.

        Most of these situations can be addressed by investigating from where they arise. There are underlying factors, such as poor diet, chemical toxicity and/or severe trauma. It is these factors which should be addressed before loaded a person up with more toxic chemicals.

        The very idea that you can treat a toxic condition by using toxic drugs is absurd (and deadly). And yet, this is the basis for allopathic medicine.

        And the sould needs to be nourished, as well, because, regardless of what one believes about life, it does not alter the fact that we are complex beings composed of many levels of being. To ignore this truth and try to manipulate change on the physical alone can only end in further disappointment and disillusionment. We see this over and over in all healthcare modalities.

        As with anything, denial of truth does not make it untrue. Nor does belief in untruth make it true.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Maybe “convince” was the wrong word to use. I should have said “educate.”

    • Mike in MI

      WTS/JAY -
      Sometime if you want to get something of a line on what the basic malfunction in psychiatry is, pick up a copy of “The Question of God – C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud Debate God, Love, Sex, and the Meaning of Life”; by Dr. Armand M. Nichol, Jr., c. 2002, Free Press (Simon and Schuster, Inc.), ISBN 0-7432-0237-6.
      In it Nicholi presents the backgrounds and writings on the listed subjects of those two notables. Liberals will be non-plussed, I’m sure. Normal people can garner some great insights about hat drives the psychiatric industry due to Freud’s mental state for most of his life.

      • cbgard

        Wasn’t Freud addicted to cocaine? I think I read that somewhere years ago.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – Very true.

        Since all illness, whether of the body or mind, originates at the level of soul, it can never be truly healed on the level of the physical (which is just the outward manifestation of the inner being).

        Toxic thought and erroneous belief can only manifest in disorder.

        When we come to realize that all things in this world of illusion are the manifested appearances of frequencies of sound and light, we then can understand the effects that things have on us. Some frequencies are harmonious to our own, and some are disruptive.

        Negative thoughts are disruptive, as are drugs and other toxins. They create disruptions in our biology. Things of healing from nature (when untampered with) are generally harmonious, as are positive thoughts and perceptions. Therefore, all medicines are vibratory in nature. The idea, then, is to choose remedies which create a harmonious resonance within us rather than a state of disruption.

        It’s all about RESONANCE.

        This is, in fact, the healing technology that has been kept supressed and used only by the elite, who have chosen to weaponize this technology rather than to use it to benefit mankind and the planet. It can be used to heal or destroy. It is now being released to us by men with conscience to be used to counteract what has been used to harm.

        Learn, people. We have the power to heal, and we don’t need doctors nor their toxic drugs and damaging procedures.

        I’ve searched out this information for decades, with limited success. You’d be amazed at how, just of late, this wonderful science is being finally released, making it’s way to the internet and into our reality.

        We really are more than we’ve been taught.

    • Karolyn
      • Karolyn

        Oops! This post was supposed to be a new one.

  • banshee

    Do we even know whether Adam Lanza was taking his meds?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We don’t know unless Lanza was tested for what was in his system and there may not be tests for identifying what drugs were in his system or the tests are expensive and time consuming.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        They would know that from an autopsy. Apparently there were “therapeutic levels” in Eric Harris’ system (one of the kids who shot up Columbine) when his body was autopsied. The other kid’s (Dylan Klebold) autopsy was sealed from the public, but I believe his parents did reveal that he was on an anti-depressant.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        I would be amazed if the results of Adam Lanza’s autopsy were made public. But – there’s always the alternative media….

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      THANK YOU, “banshee!”

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    REHAB FRAUD: PSYCHIATRY’S DRUG SCAM

    First of all, consider psychiatrists’ long-term propagation of dangerous drugs as “harmless”:

    In the 1960s, psychiatrists made LSD not only acceptable, but an “adventure” to tens of ­thousands of college students, promoting the false concept of improving life through “recreational,” mind-altering drugs.

    In 1967, US psychiatrists met to discuss the role of drugs in the year 2000. Influential New York psychiatrist Nathan Kline, who served on ­committees for the US National Institute of Mental Health and the World Health Organization stated, “In principle, I don’t see that drugs are any more abnormal than reading, music, art, yoga, or twenty other things—if you take a broad point of view.”

    In 1973, University of California psychiatrist, Louis J. West, wrote, “Indeed a debate may soon be raging among some clinical scientists on the question of whether clinging to the drug-free state of mind is not an antiquated position for anyone—physician or patient—to hold.”

    In the 1980s, Californian psychiatric drug ­specialist, Ronald K. Siegel, made the outrageous assertion that being drugged is a basic human “need,” a “fourth drive” of the same nature as sex, hunger and thirst.

    In 1980, a study in the Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry claimed that, “taken no more than two or three times per week, cocaine creates no serious problems.”
    According to the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration’s office in Connecticut, the false belief that cocaine was not addictive contributed to the dramatic rise in its use in the 1980s.

    In 2003, Charles Grob, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California Harbor Medical Center believed that Ecstasy ­(hallucinogenic street drug) was potentially “good medicine” for treating alcoholism and drug abuse.

    Today, drug regulatory agencies all over the world approve clinical trials for the use of hallucinogenic drugs to handle anything from anxiety to alcoholism, despite the drugs being known to cause psychosis.

    The failure of the war against drugs is largely due to the failure to stop ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG PUSHERS OF ALL TIME: THE PSYCHIATRIST. The sad irony is that he has also established himself in positions enabling him to control the drug rehab field, even though he can show no results for the billions awarded by governments and legislatures.

    Governments, groups, families, and individuals that continue to accept his FALSE INFORMATION and drug rehabilitation techniques, do so at their own peril. The odds overwhelmingly predict that they will fail in every respect.

    http://www.cchr.org/cchr-reports/rehab-fraud/introduction.html

  • FreedomFighter

    Big pharma — lawyers, drugs and money

    Its kinda simple — drugs alter human behaviour, we see it every day, thats why they take the prozac and other drugs…IMHO big pharma drugs are more liable for the killings than any gun and actually created the killer.

    drugs kill, big pharma supplies drugs.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Drake Elliott

    To be completely honest here I am on amphetamines for ADD and yes I have a legitimate case of it. I don’t ever feel angry when I on it or moody or anything else. My case may not be as severe as others but still I am on it. When I am not on it I do have a tendency to become angry and frustrated due to the actual disease itself. The only side effect that I have when I am on my Anti-ADD meds is dry mouth and I combat that with drinking a lot of water and other fluids. But going back now to when I miss a couple of days I do get a little angry usually due to frustration as I said before but I would never go and kill a bunch of people because I am on it. I just deal with it. The biggest problem with a lot of these drugs is that because the child is acting a little odd or wild the parents automatically think there is something wrong with the kid when in fact the kid is being a kid or maybe just a little bit odd thats all. Not to be an anti marijuana advocate but if you were to ask half of the parent or maybe even all of the parents of these mass murderers if they may have smoked pot or worse when they were pregnant I am willing to bet that half of them would say yes they smoked pot or some other type of drug. My main blame is on the parents themselves anyways and also on the people who pull the triggers. A lot of parents usually don’t spend enough time with their children or guid them through things and this is one of the reasons this happens in my opinion. It’s some of the same reasons that automobile accidents occur more with younger drivers it’s partly because of inexperience but also because the parents don’t take the time to teach their children properly. When I was learning to drive my mother started me off in a parking lot the day I got my permit. Then she let moved me up to driving on the open road and so on. Every time we would go somewhere I was the one who had to drive. That is what I call guidance and that’s what my parents always did they guided me enough to the point where I knew what was expected of me. It all started when I was very young.

  • deerinwater

    Well, there is all kinds of reasoning that we can apply to defend ANY thing we wish to defend and “guns” are no exception. ~ But it’s not guns but the use of guns we need to be discussing. Guns can’t be used if they can’t be accessed.

    In this particular case. ~ these “guns” was accessed and used by person that was a threat to himself and those around him. Neither the guns or this individual were contained properly.

    A recent joint study conducted by the Dept. of Health and the Dept. of Motor Vehicles concluded that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related.

    This means 77% of all accidents are caused by people that drink bottled water, Star Buck coffee. soda and energy drinks, etc.

    Therefore beware of people who do not drink alcohol.

    • FreedomFighter

      false premise, psyho-active drugs alter human perception, mood and print plainly on the bottle or pill case — may cause suicide feelings, anger, depression….etc etc

      again crawl back under your slimy progressive rock deer, everything you say is Bravo Sierra

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • deerinwater

        Even Freedom Fighter can justify his abusive tongue. ~ I am a conservative that rarely agrees with you SIR. But I do not label you, in an attempt to debase you.

        And of course the premises was false, much like many of your accusations you feel inclined and justified is spreading when it serves your purpose.

        So tell us Freedom Fighter, just what freedom are you fighting for today? There are many who know ?

        How about the First Amendment?

      • FreedomFighter

        Im sorry I called you a “deer” but it is in your name…your slimy progressive rock is waiting.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • Vicki

      Deerinwater says:
      “Guns can’t be used if they can’t be accessed.”

      And with their primary purpose and use being defensive this would be a SERIOUS problem. Not only would the police be at a severe disadvantage but the average citizen who uses guns ~2.5 MILLION times each year in defensive situations would be at a serious tactical disadvantage.

      Deerinwater: “In this particular case. ~ these “guns” was accessed and used by person that was a threat to himself and those around him. Neither the guns or this individual were contained properly. ”

      How could he be contained properly? The government had created GUN-FREE Zones where the average citizen’s guns CAN’T be accessed.

      These situations prove the old adage “when guns are outlawed (gun free zone) only outlaws will have guns.”

      The astute reader will notice he was actually contained properly if a bit late. By people WITH GUNS in a gun-free zone.

      It was a bit late for the 27 who died and those who were wounded but we have warned many times that when SECONDS count the police are only minutes away.

      • Mike in MI

        Good one Vicki, in response to the resident “evitavresnoc”.
        Gotta be the strangest case of lefticism ever seen. He somehow seems to start with conservative positions and terms and then argues them in a circle, ending up somewhere east of Hairy Reed.

      • deerinwater

        Well Vicky, ~ I served in a combat zone. ~ and we still managed to secured our weapons. ~ When a soldier was not serving “Picket” (Guard duty) our weapons was secured inside base encampment. They were chained up. Now when we were in the field we were married to them.

        This notion of rapid response has to include and insure security of weapons. Lines of defense and protocol is a must. ~ It’s for gun owner to establish there lines of defense. Buy yourself the time to address security.

        and I will agree , any notion of a “gun free zone” is no defense at all.

        I have not problem with weapons as long as they are hidden for plain sight and secured.

        Get creative and for Pete sakes don’t leave a pistol on the night stand by your bed.

      • Vicki

        deerinwater says:
        “Well Vicky, ~ I served in a combat zone. ~ and we still managed to secured our weapons. ~ When a soldier was not serving “Picket” (Guard duty) our weapons was secured inside base encampment. They were chained up. Now when we were in the field we were married to them.”

        And when were there no guards on duty?

      • deerinwater

        “He somehow seems to start with conservative positions and terms and then argues them in a circle, ending up somewhere east of Hairy Reed.”

        You are an overacting zealot extremest Mike. ~ capable of burning down the barn to get rid of a few rats and then blame the rats for having no barn.

        It’s about employing the correct language Mike. Persons that are demented, deranged or adulterated with mind altering substances or have not been fully qualified MUST be denied access to weapons. That should not be to hard to understand or accept.

        If I housed a demented child, I would be irresponsible and liable for failing to securing my weapons. This mother subscribed to “fear”, to social collapse and prepared for it in her own foolish way and now she it dead, as is her son and 27 other souls. And you don’t see a problems that if everyone carrying weapons can not cure? She trusted her child and she should have not, for her enemy was within her home.

        So ~ it takes a few seconds to produce your weapon, ~ use your head for something besides a hat rack. This thinking that if every citizen was Dirty Harry might cure the world is nonsense.

        While I have various weapons hide and secured in various places, when I had young ones at home I did not. ~ as far as anyone knew.

        It’s not rocket surgery, simply prudence. Don’t allow your impulsive thoughts to incite you to poor judgement like this dead mother.

        I am 100% in favor of professional armed security wherever it’s seen a needed. I’m in favor of facility being armed as long as there is an established alarm protocol, a securing method for weapons and mandatory 15 hours of professional range training every year.

      • deerinwater

        Vicki ask; “And when were there no guards on duty?

        There were never such a time Vicky, posted guard going on 24/7 356 days a year.

        In the base encampment of Chu Chi it took about 80 soldiers pulling 24 hour rotating shifts, and the Officer of the Day oversaw placement. We were all on a revolving “Duty Roster” including the Officer of the Day.

        We drew out basic issue weapons and ammo. Depending on alert status and pending threat and how the Officer of the Day which to employ , we could and were issued bigger and badder weapons along with Night Vision in the course of the shift while one 50cal. were always solidly mounted in machine gun towers and two M60′s per bunker.

        We mixed it up in a effort to break a pattern for obvious reason. Then too, we could have friendlys down range or LP’s posted (listening post)

        Everything was inventoried at the end of each shift , including brass and ammo.

        In this way, ~ we all managed to enjoy a life of work and routine except for the occasional rocket attack or some soldier violating protocol ,

        But while in the field, or convey guard~ we married our weapons and watched our buddies back.

      • Vicki

        deerinwater says:
        “Vicki ask; “And when were there no guards on duty?

        There were never such a time Vicky, posted guard going on 24/7 356 days a year. ”

        Good. So are you suggesting that gun owners hire guards to march around the house 24/7?

      • Mike in MI

        dearyinwatertoodeep -
        UHM-m… yes, no doubt about it, I guess. You call me an extremist. Charged with being a Bible reading son of God tradionalist, flag, mom and apple pie America lover – - – GUILTY.

        And you? What does one call someone who happily hands an army, air force, navy, marine corps and power to issue Executive Orders into the hands of a narcissistic megalomaniac? ………..SANE?

        • deerinwater

          mike say;”And you? What does one call someone who happily hands an army, air force, navy, marine corps and power to issue Executive Orders into the hands of a narcissistic megalomaniac? ………..SANE?”

          I say, Any person that cannot control their desire to make small sport of another person’s name is a child and whatever else they maybe, one left only to consider the source.

      • deerinwater

        Vicky says, “Good. So are you suggesting that gun owners hire guards to march around the house 24/7?”

        I am suggesting gun owner take into consideration of the “threat”, the liability and their environment and secure their weapons accordingly if they are to accept responsibility of ownership.

        It’s not a novel idea and has been done for hundreds of years by gun owners. This is a practice that society has assumed to take place and has not been address by law makers.

        Must the smallest of details be mandated?

        Bad men do not need to buy guns when they can steal them easily. Unsupervised children do not need access to weapons. So what is at the root of your argument Vicky?

      • Mike in MI

        Deerinwater -
        You’re right. It isn’t right to mess with your name when it seems to make you so upset. I apologize and won’t do it to you anymore. I’ll even capitalize it if it’s OK. I have come to realize that there is not really a necessity. After reading you for a while it has become clear that all one need do to satirize you is engage you in discussion.
        Your responses, and a little time considering your texts, potential typos, intentional mistakes (for later disclaimers) and gaffes (like the 356 days a year you had perimeter guards posted at Cu Chi – - – ???vacation days???) speak pricelessly for themselves,
        So I appreciate you.

      • Mike in MI

        Deerinwater – Cu Chi???
        Wasn’t Cu Chi one of the in-country resorts where guns were locked up to protect newly minted, full-of-themselves-idiotic, officers from getting fragged?

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Every American who is prescribed a drug by a physician has the belief that that pill has undergone rigorous trials to scrutinize its safety. And when there are known potential adverse effects, we blindly assume these are known to the attending physician.

    However, this is a myth perpetuated not only by drug makers, but by our own federal health agencies. A 2003 investigation published in The Independent in the UK reported that “under pressure from the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA routinely conceals information it considers commercially sensitive, leaving medical specialists unable to assess the true risks [of approved drugs].”

    One case involved a very popular over-the-counter drug, the painkiller ibuprofen. The investigators’ search uncovered concealed data showing that ibuprofen increased heart attack risks by 25 percent. Even Freedom of Information (FOI) filings to the FDA do not produce all the information being requested.

    For example, a group of Swiss investigators filed an FOI to procure trial data about the musculoskeletal pain drug Celecoxib and received back only 16 of the 27 trials conducted on it. A separate FOI concerning a similar drug, Valdecoxib, had pages and paragraphs deleted because sections of the document were marked as “trade secrets.” An even worse case involving a leaked report concerning internal memos and secret FDA reports provided detailed evidence that the FDA approved 9 different antidepressants, representing a total of 22 studies enrolling 4,250 children, while knowing full well that the risk of “suicide-related events” was twice as high as children taking a placebo. These are just several examples among numerous others.

    The pharmaceutical industrial complex is perhaps the largest, most influential cartel in the world. This becomes evident after considering the billions of dollars and other currencies drug companies have been forced to pay for a wide variety of corruption charges. Our analysis of 724 legal settlements from a random sampling among the over one hundred thousand by pharmaceutical corporations totally $87 billion is just a small indication about how pervasive Big Pharma’s criminality since the vast majority of settlements are concluded outside of court and remain confidential.

    It is extremely difficult to comprehend why the United States’ principle federal health agencies, particularly the FDA and National Institutes of Health (NIH), with the specific mandate to provide oversight on all pre-approved drug applications and delegated with the task to assure drugs are safe or at least specify clearly their known dangers, are so reprehensible and inept. There is only one rational answer and that is the pharmaceutical industry is the FDA’s largest client, and this relationship goes much deeper than the FDA functioning as an objective regulator investigating pharmaceutical products before being released upon the American population. It is not to far afield to suggest that as it stands now the US regulatory agencies are an extension of corporate America.

    As serial offenders of product safety cover-ups for over a decade, drugs have injured and killed millions. In the case Merck’s Vioxx, this one drug has killed 44,000 people and injured 120,000 others.

    Only in America could you kill 44,000 and not go to jail and get a raise. Should we assume, therefore, that the pharmaceutical complex should be trusted without challenge?

    We have also been asked to believe that the manufacturers were guided by a sense of public service. But when examining the top ten drugs sold, the facts reveal otherwise. In one example, manufacturers marked up a drug an astounding 500,000% over its equivalent generic version. Six other drugs were marked up 2000%.

    Pharmaceutical companies make profits higher than oil companies.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/henderson-null1.1.1.html

    • Mike in MI

      Well, WTS/JAY -
      What would you expect since so much of all this goes back to the grand master of evil, John D. Rockefeller, and all those long-chain hydro-carbons he was pumping from various derricks all around. When he found out that they could be transformed into new compounds that influence bodily functions…we-heh-h-ell, it seemed he was on to something. “Public works” is thought to be a family trait. Don’cha know they been workin’ on the public ever since.
      Why, he even joined the Baptist Church and got them to thinking God doesn’t heal anymore. He gave us “science” to do that now — and DOCTORS. Praise the Lh’(stifled) – Doctors. Paid for ‘em to change the teachings about that stuff, too, once he bought his seat on the board. Anyway, spiritual healings pretty much went out of fashion. Either that or such news was strangely suppressed, maybe. Anyway, evidence of God manifesting Himself among men kinda wasn’t pulpit stuff – except to relate it to devils.
      Sum reesin ehr ‘nother id idn’t seem ta chiange ‘im much. I think he quit after a bit.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Yes Michael, you are absolutely correct! But Mr. Rockefeller isn’t the only player in the pharmaceutical-monopoly. In fact, there are only 2 players in the monopoly; Rockefeller cartel, and the i.G. Farben cartel.

        Here’s a brief history of the Pharma-Cartel.

        Unfortunately, you need to type-in “The history of the Pharma-Cartel” as my comment, due to the link attached, is rejected by site-filter.

  • deerinwater

    Forgive me for getting off topic ~ medicated ~ are a hazard as well, and the two don’t mix.

  • Bill

    It is all about cash flow for the doctors and drug companies with the FDA as their paid shill.

    I was talking to my friend from Korea, and we were discussing ADD in schools. He said they do not have ADD in Korea, they have discipline.

    They create new syndromes and new drugs for them just to create more cash flow, not to help you. Just follow the money

    • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.pettibone Jerry Pettibone

      I, too, have a friend from Korea. He says the same thing.

    • FreedomFighter

      Having had a Korean Karate Master as a young man guide me to become a black belt — he believed in discipline for the most minor infractions – and this back b4 anyone gave a snot about kids getting hit. The man was a master of inflicting non-damaging pain.

      One time I asked him why he was so strict>>

      He said, “I will not gift my skills and knowledge to create killers/murders of men with evil in thier hearts, nor will I gift those that would become thugs.”

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • deerinwater

        I have some experience myself, ~ other than putting hair there no such thing as non damaging pain. ~ It’s just a question of the amount of pressure and force applied as to how damaging it might be.

        All students are taught to control the force applied and even then, students get hurt. If you hurt a fellow student, it will be his turn to defend and you get to play the aggressor tomorrow. He and the rest of his buddies will remember you.

        At the core of any fighting style is the control of ones own self and the administering of rapid,crippling pain when found necessary.

      • Mike in MI

        deerinoverhishead –
        Your an —wrong. Just because medicine thinks and has brain washed you into thinking all pain comes from trauma or tissue damage or disease…It’s maddeningly stupid and destructive and has been known to be wrong scientifically for a long time.
        You don’t believe me. They’ve got you brainwashed. So, go look up the 2 volume medical text by Janet Travell, MD and David Simons, MD: “Myofacial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual”. These things, muscular trigger points, cause some of the worst agony it is possible to experience. They can be incapacitating, even make you an invalid. They know drugs can’t heal them. So, they get you hoping… and give you drugs for it. Medical Doctors have an absolutely dismal record dealing with these things. But, the system won’t let them break ranks.
        Why? In aggregate costs to the whole national expense account these always come in first or second. There are about 5 things that cause this disruption of any muscle in the body. They cause not only pain but many, many ‘nerve’ disorders and one of the most common is insomnia. Yup. Just closing your eyes is not enough to put you to sleep. If you’ve got pain signals flooding into the brain – even if you can’t feel them (yes, that is possible) – you will not sleep very much or good. Don’t believe me? Go see a massage therapist to see where you’ve got pain centers you can’t feel. Then, take your mind numbing pills and gut wrecking (liver and lungs, too) anti-inflammatories and throw them at the Dr.s . . . waste basket(?), I guess. You might, also, consider a broad based supplementation program.
        No, you don’t have to! I just thought I’d mention it if you want to deal with the stupid pain problem, dumb a……ummy.

        • deerinwater

          I know no one by that name Mike in MI. ~ and the thrush of your argument is illusive.

          Apply enough pressure on trigger points and nerve roots resulting damage can be long lasting.

      • Mike in MI

        deerinoverhishead -
        Why, of courthe, how could I be scthuch a thilly-boy? Goo’neth umpty me – - – YOU are right of courche, bi-i-hi-hig gu-u-huy.
        Like if I put enough pressure on your adam’s apple? Ultimately it could lead to brain damage?
        By the way, snooky-wookums, how could you go and let somebody apply ischemic digital pressure to your parathyroid glands lately – - -hm-m-m-m? Try me sometime.
        Never mind, I hate these on-line thingys.

        • deerinwater

          Stick to pulling hair and biting and you’ll be safe.

      • Mike in MI

        Or, deer -
        Is it possible the vertebra AT THAT ROOT was laterally or rotationally displaced (caused by trauma, chemicals or emotions) enough to alter fluid dynamics or stretch the nerve root and damage it from chronic disturbance of CSF flow and/or venous damming? Then those factors led to the malfunction of the axoplasmic flow mechanism organelles in the nerve fibers, and then,in the end organ resulting in – - – ta-rahrah-t-t-trum-ptah-tum . . . . tah-ahrig-g-g-gah points. The trigger points typically result in local pain during the acute stage. After a little bit they go into a latent stage during which progressive deterioration proceeds along with intermittent painful acute periods and painless latent stages.
        At some point in the latencies the body starts to distribute its distress by producing different manifestations of pain or neurologic dysfunction at a remote referred pain/malfunction site in the body. These referred pain/malfunction sites can become absolutely intractable, unremitting and unresponsive to any treatment – BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM IS BEING AVOIDED IN FAVOR OF FRUITLESS, SYMPTOMATIC THERAPEUSIS.
        Ah-H-Ha! You say, “But, medical science has no studies proving the existence of such a hare-brained schematic.”
        Surely true, because they threw all the studies they did away – after they couldn’t get the result they wanted and tried like crazy to produce . . . in order for them to be “medically acceptable” studies.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Absolutely correct, Bill. Unfortunately, a considerable number of north-Americans are devoid of critical-thinking and would rather believe in medical, fairy-tales ie…its not your fault, “you are ill”, therefore, you are not responsible, then to take responsibility for their own lives and actions. Much easier that way, i suppose, less thinking involved. It seems that thinking, questioning and researching facts, is considered by most who place their faith and fate in the hands of the pharmaceutical-vampires, to be too labour-intensive, and therefore, they parish! How the pharmaceutical-cartel managed to garner such a massive following of dumb-sheep is no mystery. The propaganda-tool is a tool used effectively not only by Governments and media, but by other reprehensible-elements as well!

      • deerinwater

        Well, for what it’s worth, ADD and Bipolar are real conditions. Is it possible to beat or penalize a child or any person into submission? I would think so, they would appear to cope and conform while the condition would still exist. The human mind is a large place to get lost.

        Are these conditions used as a crutch ? Most certainly , in one way or another.

      • Bill

        Hi Jay
        Another one of my life mentors is a concentration camp survivor. He went into the camps at 12 and was the only member of his family to walk out alive. He has told me many stories of what it was like and he even wrote a book.

        There is an old saying: “it is not the stuation that causes stress, it is how you perceive it”. He seems like a very balanced person and he says that after he was liberated from the camps, he has never had a bad day.

        So for all you Attention Deficit people, PAY ATTENTION!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Deer: ADD and Bipolar are real conditions.

        Really? How do you know this? Do you have children, deer? ADD is a real condition?Don’t you think it a bit odd that all children have short attention spans and are easily distracted? Yes! Then by all means, lets administer Ritalin to every child on planet! Ridiculous!

        Bipolar? That’s a good one. Don’t you think it odd that we all experience ups and downs? Are you not at times up, and at times down, or are you always just right? Is it not supposed to be that way? Yes! Then let’s administer psycho-tropic drugs to every human on the planet! Ridiculous!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Bill, would you mind sharing your friends name? Its possible that i may have read him. If you do mot wish to reveal his name, i will understand. Btw, you are very fortunate to have met him!

      • deerinwater

        WTS/JAY says:

        “Deer: ADD and Bipolar are real conditions.

        Really? How do you know this? Do you have children, deer? ADD is a real condition?”

        I say;

        Yes Jay, I do. I have been confronted with such things on several occasions, not so much with my own children but the second wife or girlfriends and their children.

        Bi Polar people are fun people, but hard on the heart as their decision making process is flawed while outwardly they appear quite normal. They can appeal normal for weeks.

        In my early adult years I would never thought such condition existed either Jay and understand your scoffing of the notion that such mental conditions do exist. I’d been the first to say, “People need to get a grip on themselves and quit making up excuses for bad behavior”,

        Try living with a beautiful Bi Polar woman a few years and see if it’s not the ride of your life, something you will never forget and never wish to repeat. Bi polar people do not like to take their meds. They don’t like the way it makes them feel and if they don’t take their meds they can’t hold down a job, be a friend or devout lover or a constructive family member. They are little more then a child in a candy store and getting into everything inside their reach.

        My current lady of great importance has a 34 year old son that is Bi Polar , so indirectly I am still contending with Bi Polar today. He is a good boy, very bright, but completely irresponsible, cannot provide for his wife and son as they all live with the mother that bore him and has spent many thousand of dollars in his early years looking for a cure. ~ She is stuck with him by virtue of a grandchild and bringing a boy child into the world.

        ( Actually, It works for me, ~ at 65 , I have a 54 year old, 122 pound girlfriend that wears a size 1 dress and I’m not required to go to her house and see her everyday, I won’t put up with him) In getting older, we learn to make the best of a bad situation.

        As for ADD,

        They have a new drug out for ADD now. I forget the name, one of my surgical nurse friends exposed me too a few weeks ago. Myself , I’m not normally exposed to such things except by association ~ It’s address the symptoms associated with ADD and permits ADD patients to focus and behave in a normal, acceptable fashion. But if you take this tiny pill and do not have ADD , you will not sleep for three days and three nights. There is no euphoria, there is no rapid heart beat, no jitters or coffee buzz, just 72 hours of consciousness and zero anxiety.

        If anyone can take such a drug and sleep , clearly something is going on in their body that most people don’t share.

        So, ~ now you have heard from the trenches, mental disorders varies, fades in and out and are vary real. I do not have a clue what Adam Lanza mother was dealing with, she could have been as crazy as a $hithouse Rat herself, ~who knows? Mental Disorders can hide. One looking from the outside ~in , you would never suspect it.

  • CA

    Nice article, just a few minor proof reading flaws such as on # 6 “tread ADHD” should be treat ADHD, #5 produce bizarre behavior not “products bizarre behavior”

  • Mike in MI

    Mr. Bob Livingston -
    Thank you, sir. You, and your staff, are truly a gem(s). All of you have exceptionally well developed alimentary systems, investigational aptitudes and I’ll bet your staff meetings include lots of yuckity-yucks.
    By any and all means have a marvelous and rewarding New Year. I’m sure your work will continue to inspire, direct, inform, teach, guide, entertain and (in some cases) be the cause of some gastric blood-letting and auriculo-ocular hemorrhages.
    God bless in the name of Jesus Christ.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Mike in MI,

      Thank you very much.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Chester

    Might want to know who made LSD available to the psychiatrists and psychologists. That was originally experimented with by none other than the United States Army, then they decided it didn’t do what they wanted. Really ought to talk to Dr. Timothy Leary about LSD, as he is the one who popularized it, although the stuff is easy enough to produce most college chemistry labs were making it on the side. And do hate to argue with ladies, but a psychiatrist IS a MEDICAL DOCTOR. Seems you have to do the whole MD thing, plus a few years of specialized study to become a psychiatrist. Psychology is in the same field, but without the medical studies, so psychologist can NOT prescribe most medications, in most states.

    • Karolyn

      Timothy Leary has been dead a long time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.pettibone Jerry Pettibone

        That’s nice……

        • deerinwater

          As I understand it, he was cremated and shot into space. He’s all over the globe by now.

  • 2forEnglish

    Hello Everyone – I have a couple of things to say on the topic of the Sandy Hook Perpetrator – as well as the issue of pharmaceutical drug reactions and the lack of accountability on the part of the prescribers.

    First of all, I would like to point out that as far as the speculation regarding Nancy Lanza’s role in her son’s life…well…….. we actually have NO FACTS on that. By all reports though, Mrs. Lanza has been described as a woman who actually gave up everything to stay in that house and be with her son at all times. She had a special needs son and most of her time was spent overseeing his schooling (when he was in school), his welfare in the home, and searching for whatever means of treatment would benefit her son. Mrs. Lanza used to be a stock broker, Mr. Lanza was a tax specialist and still IS, and the brother – Ryan apparently followed in his father’s footsteps and also became a tax specialist, as he reached adulthood. It appears that Mrs. Lanza gave up her career to oversee her son Adam’s special needs – and quite possibly the stress of having a special needs child is what ended the Lanza marriage. The latest report which came out and has since been suppressed – stated that Nancy Lanza, after much rejection from the system – and aggravation due to CT state HIPPA laws……..was in the process of trying to place her son Adam in an assisted living facility specifically for individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorder (that would include Asperger’s Syndrome). The reports indicated that the paperwork had been signed and that Adam Lanza was very unhappy about, and perhaps terrified at the prospect of being placed in a controlled environment. If this is in fact what was going on……… this would provide a possible motivation for Adam Lanza to kill his mother, because he was very angry with her – for what he perceived to be her pursuing to lock him up. The same report made mention of Nancy Lanza’s tie to the school, but as I said………. the report was quickly suppressed and I am afraid to publish further info because at best it is only speculation, and at worst it is false information. I saw and heard the information about Mrs. Lanza trying to commit her son – several times from several sources, whereas – the information about the tie in with the school, was only heard ONCE and only from one source.

    Before I address the next topic, I would just like to point out one more thing. During this period of information gathering on the part of the investigators, as WE sit on the outside and speculate………….. if anyone is prone to place the blame on the mother, please be equally willing to place the blame on the father – for he was this guy’s parent as well and as we don’t have any proof of anything either way, it is only fair that the father be considered as every bit “the culprit” – as those inclined to blame the mother – say she IS! I have seen so much judgement being directed at this woman who ACTUALLY was the parent who played an active role in Adam Lanza’s life. By the way……… all of the opinions I just expressed come ONLY while operating under the theory that this was IN FACT……….. a random event.

    I will address the other topic in a separate post, as this is quite long and it is my first time attempting to post here – so I want to see if it works.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry

    The main principles governing the pharmaceutical “business with disease.” It is not in the financial interests of the pharmaceutical industry to prevent common diseases – the maintenance and expansion of diseases is a precondition for the financial growth of this industry.

    1. The pharmaceutical industry is an investment industry driven by the profits of its shareholders. Improving human health is not the driving force of this industry.

    2. The pharmaceutical investment industry was artificially created and strategically developed over an entire century by the same investment groups that control the global petrochemical and chemical industries.

    3. The huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry are based on the patenting of new drugs. These patents essentially allow drug manufacturers to arbitrarily define the profits for their products.

    4. The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is the human body – but only for as long as the body hosts diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding diseases is a precondition for the growth of the pharmaceutical industry.

    5. A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This explains why most prescription drugs marketed today have no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.

    6. To further expand their pharmaceutical market, the drug companies are continuously looking for new applications (indications) for the use of drugs they already market. For example, Bayer’s pain pill Aspirin is now taken by 50 million healthy US citizens under the illusion it will prevent heart attacks.

    7. Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets is to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely masking symptoms short term, most of the prescription drugs taken by millions of patients today cause a multitude of new diseases as a result of their known long-term side effects. For example, all cholesterol-lowering drugs currently on the market are known to increase the risk of developing cancer – but only after the patient has been taking the drug for several years.

    8. The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs are the fourth leading cause of death in the industrialized world, surpassed only by the number of deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998). This fact is no surprise either, because drug patents are primarily issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from the body, a system that frequently fails and results in an epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.

    9. While the promotion and expansion of diseases increase the market of the pharmaceutical investment industry – prevention and root cause treatment of diseases decrease long-term profitability; therefore, they are avoided or even obstructed by this industry.

    10. Worst of all, the eradication of diseases is by its very nature incompatible with and diametrically opposed to the interests of the pharmaceutical investment industry. The eradication of diseases now considered as potential drug markets will destroy billions of investment dollars and eventually will eliminate this entire industry.

    11.Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies that optimize cellular metabolism threaten the pharmaceutical “business with disease” because they target the cellular cause of today’s most common diseases – and these natural substances cannot be patented.

    12. Throughout the more than one hundred year existence of the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other essential nutrients, with defined functions as cofactors in cellular metabolism, have been the fiercest competition and the greatest threat to the long-term success of the pharmaceutical investment business.

    13. Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies that effectively prevent diseases are incompatible with the very nature of the pharmaceutical “business with disease.”

    14. To protect the strategic development of its investment business against the threat from effective, natural and non-patentable therapies, the pharmaceutical industry has – over an entire century – used the most unscrupulous methods, such as:

    (1) Withholding life-saving health information from millions of people. It is simply unacceptable that today so few know that the human body cannot produce vitamin C and lysine, two key molecules for connective tissue stability and disease prevention.

    (2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most common way is through global PR campaigns organized by the Pharma-Cartel that spread lies about the alleged side effects of natural substances – molecules that have been used by Nature for millennia.

    (3) Banning by law the dissemination of information about natural health therapies. To that end, the pharmaceutical industry has placed its lobbyists in key political positions in key markets and leading drug export nations.
    15. The pharmaceutical “business with disease” is the largest deception and fraud business in human history. The product “health” promised by drug companies is not delivered to millions of patients. Instead, the “products” most often delivered are the opposite: new diseases and frequently, death.

    16. The survival of the pharmaceutical industry is dependent on the elimination by any means of effective natural health therapies. These natural and non-patentable therapies have become the treatment of choice for millions of people despite the combined economic, political and media opposition of the world’s largest investment industry.

    • dark angel

      Excellent post Jay! The reason this monopoly of “health treatments” exists is because the largest investor (i.e. the largest shareholder/controlling interest) in these companies is the federal government. The government owns the shares and makes the laws for the sole purpose of turning a profit. To better understand government’s role in corporate Amerika, go to http://www.cafr1.com

    • Bill

      Another great post, Jay,
      You seem to have a head on your shoulders. I only pay for health insurance for castostropic and I do the rest of my healing using naturalpaths. California did pass a law giving them more powers (even a blind squirrel finds an acorn), which helps me a bit.

      I am currently using prolozone for a ligament strain that I got at the gym and it is working quite well.

      That is why Obamacare is destined for failure. They are taking a “drug for symtom” healing system and making it less efficient and more cumbersome. It is like taking a barely running Yugo and trying to make it a race car. It is probably part of their agenda 21 plan to kill off a majority of the population.

      • Mike in MI

        Bill and
        WTS/JAY

        Both of you have some really great posts this week end pst. Thanks friends, scientists, fellow believers and patriots.

  • Dwight Mann

    These drugs are dangerous. What ever the heck did we do before these lethal substances were developed. I suggest that we take a step back and reclaim our humanity. . .

    • Karolyn

      In the 1800s traveling salesmen made up their own concoctions using alcohol, cocaine, morphine, opium, etc.They were bottled under the name of a made-up doctor. That continued into the 20th century. Going back further, shamans used herbs and plants. Personally, I prefer herbs and plants.

  • Joz

    Congress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids

    archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/22/215244.shtml- Similarto Congress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids

    Nov 23, 2004 … Congress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids … to implement mandatory psychological testing programs for all students in the school system.

    Government Sponsored Mind Control In America – Dave Hodges …
    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/10/06/government-sponsored-mind-control-in-...

    Oct 6, 2012 … On the surface, screening the mental health of children for suicidal … the mentalhealth testing of all 52 million school children and the 6.5 …

    Mandatory Bush Seeking Psychological Testing for all School Kids Without …

    mydd.com/users/descrates/posts/bush-seeking-psychological-testing-for-all-s… DON’T LEAVE ANY CHILD unMEDICATED ! Sell more drugs for more $ profits?

    Are Too Many Kids Medicated? — New York Magazine

    nymag.com/news/intelligencer/63832/- Similarto Are Too Many Kids Medicated? — New York Magazine

    Feb 12, 2010 … The issue of medicating children was eye-catchingly in the news last week. … Why, after all, should we value normality when it is defined as

    Too many young children are medicated with powerful drugs

    http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/08/young-children-medicated-powerful-…- Similarto Too many young children are medicated with powerful drugs

    Aug 28, 2010 … Too many young children are medicated with powerful drugs

  • http://awkingsley.wordpress.com awkingsley

    Since you wrote your article, it has been stated that Lanza did use an AR-15, and that he was not on medication. But, that still doesn’t alleviate the responsibility of mental health professionals. It is time we quit paying Psychiatrists huge salaries for inadequate patient maintenance with absolutely no cures for chronic mental illness. Chronic mental illness has a disease pathology that does not just reside in or originate in the head. The pathology of the disease affects the brain through chemical imbalances. Mental illness cannot be cured with counseling – not ever. This is the problem: Allopathic Medicine has no cure for mental or any other chronic disease. Ancient Natural and Alternative Medicine had cures for chronic disease; however, treatment of chronic disease starts with expert diagnosis and ability to evaluate treatments. Allopathic Physicians have no diagnostic techniques, relying exclusively on limited laboratory tests and only on patient statements for psychiatric diagnosis. Pretending to handle the problem of mental illness is not going to get the job done no matter how much more money is put into the mental health system. Under our current system, nothing will be done to change the outcome for those suffering from mental illness or destruction of their victims because Psychiatrists do not have the skills to solve the problem. When an Allopathic Physician is presented with a cure for chronic disease, one receives a blank stare. These physicians take their orders from the pharmaceutical companies. In order to solve our societal problem, the solution below needs to be implemented to end chronic disease not only for sufferers of mental disorders and their victimization of others, but for all chronic disorders.
    Natural and Alternative Medicine uses 3 diagnostic techniques very successfully: Those techniques are Iridology, Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing), and either Expert Oriental or Ayurvedic Pulse Diagnosis. Iridology is accomplished via a camera linked to a computer. Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing) can even be done from a distance by mailing DNA swabbed cotton balls to a physician experienced in the art. Expert Pulse Diagnosis can either be Oriental or Indian Ayurvedic. Expert Pulse Diagnosis takes the most time to learn, but is absolutely necessary for any physician who wants to diagnose chronic disease or assess a patient’s status and the efficacy of treatments. An expert pulse diagnostician can detect the progression of the disease and the area of the body from which the disease originates. Pregnancy can be diagnosed within 24 hours of conception by a physician expert in pulse diagnosis. A combination of these diagnostic techniques gives cross-verification to the physician. And, the first 2, Iridology and Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing), will aid the physician’s diagnosis, until he is expert in Oriental Pulse Diagnosis. (Distance pulse diagnosis can be accomplished via a lock of hair by keying in on [DNA], just as can be done in Kinesiology Saliva Testing with a swabbed cotton ball.) Allopathic Physicians face severe incompetence in every area besides the Operating Room and treatment of infection, demonstrating a Dark Age lack of knowledge. Many people believe this ineptitude is due to a stranglehold on Allopathic Medicine by the pharmaceutical industry, but this problem is also due to ingrained arrogance and incompetence on the part of Allopathic Psychiatrists. The State of Texas refusal to accept a mental health diagnosis from anyone other than an Allopathic Psychiatrist bears witness to entrenched ignorance on the part of state regulators regarding the competence of psychiatrists to diagnose.
    Federal Government involvement in Medicine and Medical R & D is also a major factor in the lack of cures for chronic disease. There is too much money available from the Federal Government, so the status quo is reinforced instead of competent cost-effective treatment developing to meet medical needs. Necessity is the mother of invention only when the Federal Government isn’t in the driver’s seat handing out the dough.
    A step by step solution to the problem: Allopathic Physicians first need to learn Natural and Alternative Medical diagnostic techniques. Second, all of the old ancient medical formulas and techniques need to be researched. It is impossible to research efficacy of treatments without expert diagnostic techniques for value assessment on patients. I use an almost completely unknown acupuncture protocol (self-administered much like a diabetic gives himself insulin injections) that treats many chronic diseases, as well as other little known medical knowledge for the majority of my health care needs. I use this acupuncture protocol now only for health maintenance. Friends are now asking me to share my medical knowledge because there is no treatment available for chronic disease. Chronic disease treatment is “Do it yourself healthcare, or do without because Allopathic Medicine provides absolutely “NO” cures.”
    The major solution to high health care costs and successful treatment of mental disorders is for states to mandate medical schools to teach expert diagnostic techniques to first year medical students. If students are lacking in proficiency in expert diagnostic techniques at the end of the first year of medical school, they need to be washed out of the program. We can eliminate the majority of the expense and failure in our medical system by insisting our states get tough on the way physicians are trained.
    Congress and State Legislatures can get Dr. Vassant Lad of Albuquerque, NM and, or other pulse diagnosticians to give demonstrations in Washington and the various state legislatures by diagnosing Congressmen while they are sitting in their seats in Congress. Dr. Lad or other expert pulse diagnosticians could rapidly perform a blind study for a state legislature on an acupuncture treatment protocol that I have in my possession that cures chronic mental disease as well as other chronic diseases. All that would be required is for Dr. Lad to take the pulse of patients before and after the acupuncture treatment, in order to prove that a profound change occurs when the treatment is administered. This acupuncture protocol can be acquired by contacting me: anncgm1@gmail.com
    House members can send a saliva sample to Healthy Bodies in Wills Point, TX to be diagnosed and receive treatment, in order to test the efficacy of this diagnostic method. Congress or a state legislature can invite an iridologist into the state legislature to diagnose everyone sitting in a House seat. Since these diagnostic methods can be demonstrated, our Allopathic Medical Establishment can make no excuses for current inept and expensive medical diagnosis and thoroughly inadequate palliative care.
    There is no excuse for mass murders. Another threat, under our current mental health system is the continuing risk of internment in a mental health facility for those who are not actually mentally ill, due to the lack of diagnostic skills. With the progression of our Police State, we could encounter the internment of dissidents, unless expert diagnostic techniques are implemented.

    Even with extensive training time for physicians and long times for treatment, our society could be well on its way to freedom from chronic disease within 15 years, if we insist on implementation of expert pulse diagnosis. Without expert pulse diagnosis, no Allopathic Physician will implement any of the Natural or Alternative treatments that surface because he has no ability to easily discern the value. That means we are stuck, until we change the system. Psychiatry has not progressed beyond its infancy, and it will only progress when the public insists on competent diagnostic techniques. We have the ability to make our state and federal governments give us better health care, so let’s do it.

  • Joz

    http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/12/17/gun-control-stats-compare-the-ten-big-killers-in-the-us/

    check out this: Legal Drugs Hospital Errors are #3 killer in the USA…. read the rest.

  • Joz

    oh oh let’s not overlook this one ! wow ! Bill Maher on Newtown shooting: prayers and giving your kids hugs fix nothing

    No tragedy is too great for the left not to exploit. Take for instance atheist pig Bill Maher. You see he doesn’t believe it in religion (which is cool with me), but those who do are just stupid according to Maher. You see, according to Obama’s million dollar pig Bill Maher, praying for the victims and families of the horrible Newtown Connecticut shooting and giving your kids hugs fixes nothing. Instead according to pig Maher, ‘only having the balls to stand up to our insane selfish gun culture will.’

    Bill Maher✔
    @billmaher

    Sorry but prayers and giving your kids hugs fix nothing; only having the balls to stand up to our insane selfish gun culture will.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    The term “mental illness” is widely used to describe something which is very different than a disease of the brain. Many people today take it for granted that living is an arduous process. Its hardship for modern man, moreover, derives not so much from a struggle for biological survival as from the stresses and strains inherent in the social intercourse of complex human personalities. In this context, the notion of mental illness is used to identify or describe some feature of an individual’s so-called personality.

    Mental illness — as a deformity of the personality, so to speak — is then regarded as the cause of the human disharmony. It is implicit in this view that social intercourse between people is regarded as something inherently harmonious, its disturbance being due solely to the presence of “mental illness” in many people. This is obviously fallacious reasoning, for it makes the abstraction “mental illness” into a cause, even though this abstraction was created in the first place to serve only as a shorthand expression for certain types of human behavior. It now becomes necessary to ask:

    “What hinds of behavior are regarded as indicative of mental illness, and by whom?”

    The concept of illness, whether bodily or mental, implies deviation from some clearly defined norm. In the case of physical illness, the norm is the structural and functional integrity of the human body. Thus, although the desirability of physical health, as such, is an ethical value, what health is can be stated in anatomical and physiological terms.

    What is the norm deviation from which is regarded as mental illness?

    This question cannot be easily answered. But whatever this norm might be, we can be certain of only one thing: namely, that it is a norm that must be stated in terms of psycho-social, ethical, and legal concepts. For example, notions such as “excessive repression” or “acting out an unconscious impulse” illustrate the use of psychological concepts for judging (so-called) mental health and illness. The idea that chronic hostility, vengefulness, or divorce are indicative of mental illness would be illustrations of the use of ethical norms (that is, the desirability of love, kindness, and a stable marriage relationship). Finally, the widespread psychiatric opinion that only a mentally ill person would commit homicide illustrates the use of a legal concept as a norm of mental health. The norm from which deviation is measured whenever one speaks of a mental illness is a psycho-social and ethical one. Yet, the remedy is sought in terms of medical measures which — it is hoped and assumed — are free from wide differences of ethical value. The definition of the disorder and the terms in which its remedy are sought are therefore at serious odds with one another. The practical significance of this covert conflict between the alleged nature of the defect and the remedy can hardly be exaggerated.

    Having identified the norms used to measure deviations in cases of mental illness, we will now turn to the question: “Who defines the norms and hence the deviation?”

    Two basic answers may be offered: (a) It may be the person himself (that is, the patient) who decides that he deviates from a norm. For example, an artist may believe that he suffers from a work inhibition; and he may implement this conclusion by seeking help for himself from a psychotherapist.

    (b) It may be someone other than the patient who decides that the latter is deviant (for example, relatives, physicians, legal authorities, society generally, etc.). In such a case a psychiatrist may be hired by others to do something to the patient in order to correct the deviation.

    These considerations underscore the importance of asking the question “Whose agent is the psychiatrist?” and of giving a candid answer to it. The psychiatrist (psychologist or nonmedical psychotherapist), it now develops, may be the agent of the patient, of the relatives, of the school, of the military services, of a business organization, of a court of law, and so forth. In speaking of the psychiatrist as the agent of these persons or organizations, it is not implied that his values concerning norms, or his ideas and aims concerning the proper nature of remedial action, need to coincide exactly with those of his employer.

    For example, a patient in individual psychotherapy may believe that his salvation lies in a new marriage; his psychotherapist need not share this hypothesis. As the patient’s agent, however, he must abstain from bringing social or legal force to bear on the patient which would prevent him from putting his beliefs into action. If his contract is with the patient, the psychiatrist (psychotherapist) may disagree with him or stop his treatment; but he cannot engage others to obstruct the patient’s aspirations.

    Similarly, if a psychiatrist is engaged by a court to determine the sanity of a criminal, he need not fully share the legal authorities’ values and intentions in regard to the criminal and the means available for dealing with him. But the psychiatrist is expressly barred from stating, for example, that it is not the criminal who is “insane” but the men who wrote the law on the basis of which the very actions that are being judged are regarded as “criminal.” Such an opinion could be voiced, of course, but not in a courtroom, and not by a psychiatrist who makes it his practice to assist the court in performing its daily work.

    To recapitulate: In actual contemporary social usage, the finding of a mental illness is made by establishing a deviance in behavior from certain psychosocial, ethical, or legal norms. The judgment may be made, as in medicine, by the patient, the physician (psychiatrist), or others. Remedial action, finally, tends to be sought in a therapeutic — or covertly medical — framework, thus creating a situation in which psychosocial, ethical, and/or legal deviations are claimed to be correctible by (so-called) medical action. Since medical action is designed to correct only medical deviations, it seems logically absurd to expect that it will help solve problems whose very existence had been defined and established on nonmedical grounds.

    I think that these considerations may be fruitfully applied to the present use of tranquilizers and, more generally, to what might be expected of drugs of whatever type in regard to the amelioration or solution of problems in human living.

    -The Myth of Mental Illness By Thomas S. Szasz (1960)

    First published in American Psychologist, 15, 113-118.

    http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Szasz/myth.htm

  • http://1hourbreak.com 1Hour Break

    Bob,

    Great article on educating the public during these increased times of hightened anxiety and stress in our world. I agree that we have a problem in our country with Big Pharma and the reliance our society has built on prescription meds.

    I invite you to view an informative infographic that takes a deeper look into America’s misguided use of prescription meds and an all-natural and organic alternative that can be used.

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    Andrew

  • http://midcontent brand inspector

    Big Pharma got special deals as did AARP, all rear end licking idoits of the socialist/marxist democrats. before Medicare program was dreamed up by anothercorrupt Pres Johnson and his socialist party dreamed the Great Society screwed up program, it cost 3 dollars for an office visit,. The office staff was the2 nurses that filled out paper work and answered the phone. In a year the cost climbed to $15 a visit and the office staff climbed to 4 to fill out paper work, all thanks to amy other snafu created by book trained worthless pukes in government. Of course thementalnutjobs usually were confined and if they acted up there was all the BS phyco blather and no you are just misunderstood, and blame everyone else. A good azz thumping usally set the boundries of bad behavior. Also we all either had a shotgun, rifle and a couple other hand guns when we went to high school, nobody was ever harmed or killed with all the fire power cloe at hand We had a few Cal wanna be gangstas who all got hair cuts and all learn to speak great English, and if they got caught making 5 finger dscount stealing, a few broken arms and hands with a few bruises, all made them decent citzens later in their lives.

  • deerinwater

    Mr. Livingston summarizes saying; “Yet lawful gun owners are becoming the scapegoat for the mess Big Pharma is creating and more draconian, liberty stealing laws will likely result from the shooting.”

    Hmm? Well publishing the name of gun owners was certainly a foolish thing to do. ~ I do not know who was responsible for that. But it’s safe to say one or maybe three people made the decision to do so and not 25% or 50 % of America.

    Did it do what they intended for it to do? I do not think so, I think gun owners are safe from being a scapegoat for this incident.

    I copy & paste some response;

    Turns out the stunt was so unpopular — with gun owners and privacy advocates alike — that a blogger named Christopher Fountain took it upon himself to dig up and organize the names, addresses, and phone numbers of the Journal-News staff, starting with editor Cyndee Royle. The post is called “Keep up the heat” and encourages readers to pester the paper and prevent them from continuing to report gun-owner addresses.
    RELATED: Murdoch’s Vows to Build a Pay Wall
    As long as they were keeping it to letters to the editor(s), the staff list was, at first, small potatoes as far as payback goes: the allure of the paper’s original map of gun owners was the ability to see who, and how many people, owned a gun near a specific address — the paper’s stunt was a map, not just a (sparsely populated) list of names. But overnight a different retaliatory blogger decided to map the newspaper staff addresses culled thus far (from Google and elsewhere). Here’s what Robert Cox, of Talk of the Sound, came up with:
    RELATED: Typo of the Year: Obama vs. Osama
    RELATED: Joe Weisenthal Is the Best Kind of Wrong
    It’s a disparate (and perhaps desperate) effort — there are only eleven addresses, one of which is located in Manhattan — and lacks the visual impact of the original map, which indicated just how many gun owners (and guns) there are in just two counties in blue-state New York. So it’s not particularly interesting, but it may be dangerous, and it’s certainly depressing — as its author notes: “Be advised that the Journal News has been in downsizing mode for the past several years. I have to wonder if all these names are current employees but we will treat them as such until we learn otherwise.”
    RELATED: Times-Picayune Reporter is Mad as Hell and She’s Not Going to Take This Anymore
    It’s an open question whether the retribution is misplaced. In a morning interview with CNN, Fountain said he was angered by calls from victims of domestic abuse with gun permits who were worried their whereabouts had been inadvertently revealed. And, more philosophically: “In the aftermath of Newtown, it was obviously one tragedy, but somehow they were conflating legal gun owners with some crazed tormented devil up in Newtown and putting the two together.”

    I think this Backfired on them Mr. Livingston. It will hurt them, in much the same way attacking school teacher, fireman and police officers has hurt the GOP. They have climbed out on a limb and proceeded to saw it off.

    As for Big Pharma, I think you are tugging on Superman’s cape, while your charge might be valid and have merit.

    Yes, more then likely, high quality, auto loading, shoulder weapons with a high capacity firing ability as well as hand gun of similar features is sure to become more expensive and harder to acquire.

    Sad, ~ Give us an option that is possible to do. Leadership is having a hard time skirting this issue that demand address.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    I KNOW MANY OF YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON THE DRUG-ANGLE, BUT, IF YOU “LOOK BACK” ON THE TIME WHEN YOUR CHILDREN WERE SMALL, YOU WILL REALIZE THEY ARE NOT ON DRUGS AND DOING EVIL THINGS TODAY BECAUSE YOU GAVE THEM, “ALL THE LOVE THEY COULD HOLD.”

    I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE THE SAME THING CAN NOT BE SAID FOR, Adam Lanza.

    • Kate8

      CHRISTOPHER – In cases like Adam’s, it is not just a case of drug use.

      If you do some research on what’s now being exposed about programs like MKultra, you will know that these kids are taken while young and severely abused and traumatized while being drugged with horrendous drugs, causing their personalities to split or fragment. They are also given powerful hypnotic suggestions in order to program their minds.

      This is true because I have seen some of these kids who hear voices and are tormented day and night. It’s heartwrenching.

      Anyway, these kids are traumatized until they are completely controlled, and are used in many ways by the elite. Many of them are sex slaves, assassins, or help them in other criminal activity. Some of them are used in incidents like Columbine, Aurora and Sandy Hook. They are patsies. If they survive these incidents, usually they do not remember doing anything, as they’ve been programmed to forget. It could be that they are put in place for the sole purpose of taking the blame.

      We should not make judgements based on lies. Can you imagine what it is like for these people to be victimized to this degree, set up, and then have absolutely NO ONE to help them? Perhaps those like Adam are lucky to have died, as what would follow would be a worse nightmare for him than what he’s already endured. And he is only one of many.

      There is, btw, a recording from the scene where a man’s voice is heard in the background instructing the responder to “take the life of Adam”.

      What is true here? I don’t know. But I would be willing to guarantee it is not what we’ve been told.

      But then, you’ve made it clear that you have “no time for conspiracies”. I guess lies are good enough.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, PARENTS LOVING CHILDREN IS NOT A LIE.

        FROM BIRTH TO EIGHTEEN, A CHILD CAN APPEAR NORMAL – NO DRUGS, ALCOHOL, ETC. – THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, E-X-P-L-O-D-E!

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, SINCE YOU ARE OLDER THAN I, I AM QUITE SURE YOU HAVE SOME CHILDHOOD FRIENDS WHO YOU THOUGHT WERE VERY NICE [AT THAT TIME], BUT, NOW THEY HAVE ANGER-MANAGEMENT ISSUES. WHEN A PERSON DOES NOT HAVE “Ozzie&Harriet” AT HOME, THEY WILL TAKE AWAY SOMEONE ELSE’S “Ozzie&Harriet” AT THEIR FIRST ADULT-OPPORTUNITY.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, I AM “AT A LOSS OF WORDS” WITH YOU. I DID NOT REALIZE THIS TYPE OF TOPIC IS YOUR, raison d’etre.

        “Kate8,” YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING WITH DRUGS AND GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACIES, THAT LIBERALS CLAIM “THE RIGHT” IS DOING WITH GUNS.

  • Kate8
  • Allison

    Your argument is just as shallow as those blaming guns for the shooting of those children. The only person at fault here is Adam Lanza.
    It is apparent that you don’t have the necessary education in biochemistry, drug design, or medicine to fully develop your theory.
    Looking at the article cited, I should warn you that not all journal articles are created equal. Less known journals tend to only get articles rejected by other journals because the research has large mistakes. I can tell you this PLOS article is broad statistical analysis and a political agenda has skewed the research by the Times author.
    An instance of a missing variable: The likelihood of a drug to be associated with violence does not take into account some of the variables that would cause the drug to be prescribed over another one. If you’re not sold by that statement, talk to some women and doctors about birth control.

    • Kate8

      Allison – I’m sorry, but you are wrong. I am all too familiar with what drugs, especially in combination with trauma, can do. I’ve seen it.

      You can’t understand these things until you’ve borne witness. It’s horrifying.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        I NEED MY SCOTCH WHISKEY BOTTLE.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – Here is one for you without a video.

        http://enjoyingthejourney.blogspot.com/2009/01/artificial-telepathy-silent-sound.html

        Just because you don’t know about something doesn’t mean it does not exist.

        I can’t help wondering if you are a troll who tries to claim he’s a Republican. Seems rather unlikely, after all, given your background.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, HERE IS A FRIENDLY WORD OF ADVICE.

        IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK AN ATHEIST TO LOOK AT A WEB LINK, BE SURE THAT THE FIRST THING SEEN IS NOT A Biblical Verse.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, THAT LINK MADE ME FEEL LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO TURN ME INTO A “Jesus Christ-” LOVER.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, I KNOW “YOU MEANT WELL.”

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – The inclusion of a Bible verse does not invalidate the information. Are you saying that, because a person is Christian, any information he presents is bogus?

        Wow. I guess that would also mean that, because someone is athiest, anyone else should discount anything he has to say.

        I didn’t even notice the Bible verse. Believe me, those behind this stuff have no love of the Bible.

        It is quite apparent, CHRISTOPHER, that you are completely closed minded. Not only that, you are filled with a great deal of unhealed hostility and anger, which you use to lash out on anyone who seems to represent the object of your anger. I am interested in people who can be unbiased and rational…people who have an honest desire to see beyond the smokescreen which has been created to control us.

        I have no investment nor agenda in my search for truth, other than to expose the evil and injustices being perpetrated on our people. I am not attached to any particular persuasion as a basis for my search. I don’t care about the religion of those reporting, nor the lack thereof. There are certain things of which I have knowledge, and that is my basis…to ferret out demystify events which have puzzled many and have caused much suffereing to many more.

        You, on the other hand, do have an investment in your prejudice.

        Therefore, I have nothing further to say to you.

        I wish you nothing but healing and peace.

        • deerinwater

          I think that CHRISTOPHER believes your argument bases on faith bases scripture that tells an account of man walking on water, virgins bearing children, the dead coming back to life, writings mysteriously appearing on walls, donkeys talking, of a man that could best a 1000 men due to the length of his hair, 40 year camp-outs, God appearing an instructing man take what was not theirs to take and food falling from the sky leaves him at a serious disadvantage with debating Kate8.

          I do-not believe CHRISTOPHER stands a chance and clearly , he doesn’t ether.

      • Kate8

        BTW, Christopher, scotch never solved anything. Any relief lasts only for a minute.

      • Kate8

        deer – You know nothing about my personal beliefs. You are making a blanket assumption.

        What you are suggesting is that anyone who subsribes at all to the teachings of the one called The Christ is incapable of judgment and reason on any level.

        I do not care what you, Christopher or anyone else believes. What troubles me is that there are those who have been subjected to the most unspeakable and horrific experimentation and torture being used as lab rats and tools, and they have no hope of any help because people cannot bear to think that they even exist.

        This is not about religion, except the satanic one practiced by those in control. Those who choose to look the other way while they carry on their vile deeds give their implied consent, and are, therefore, complicit.

        And, btw, if a Biblical verse speaks what is true, where is the problem?

        • deerinwater

          Well that is fine Kate, ~ the discussion is not about what you believe but what you support your argument with.

          We all can make claims and defeat them with where we acquired the wisdom.

          “Two and two is 5 and I gradated from Yale. Yale is the source for all my ideas.” Allow me to refer you to Yale,

          See? that does not offer support for my claim.
          If my claim is sound, it can be supported without refer to Yale. Invoking the name is not support.

          I enjoy the biblical teaching as well as the next guy. To “walk by Faith and not by sight”
          is one of my favorites scripture quotes. But I accept that it’s a profound statement and not support for anything and more of a poke in the ribs to rattle someone and make them think for a moment about it’s meaning.

          You are good with me Katie 8.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        WHEN I ARRIVED ON 6 JUNE, I KNEW I WAS WALKING INTO A HORNET’S NEST – RELIGIOUSLY SPEAKING. BUT, BECAUSE WE SHARE REPUBLICAN IDEOLOGY, THAT WAS MORE IMPORTANT.

        I AM ATHEIST; YOU ARE CHRISTIAN. SO, WHEN WE RELATE TO EACH OTHER THERE IS AN UNTYPED UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER’S CORE VALUES. THEREFORE, WHEN WE TRANSMIT INFORMATION TO EACH OTHER IT MUST BE IN SECULAR STANDING IN ORDER TO NOT INFRINGE ON EACH OTHER’S IDEOLOGY.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE YOU “STAND” MORALLY I WILL NOT APPROACH YOU WITH AN ISSUE WHICH AUTOMATICALLY CAUSES AN IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT BETWEEN US.

        THAT WAS MY POINT IN MENTIONING THE RELIGIOUS REFERENCE, FIRST SEEN IN YOUR WEB-LINK.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – The link I posted was about the information, not any reference to the Bible. And the article has nothing to do with religion.

        You are making much ado about nothing. If we are limited to only sources which are clearly secular, then we will have to eliminate a lot of valid information.

        Should I ignore anyone who posts links by athiests? All I care about is the truth contained therein. The fact that someone uses scripture to show its prophetic nature in no way makes a statement about any kind of bias. Anyone can be true to facts regardless of personal faith.

        I do believe that you are being unreasonable. However, you have also shown yourself to be hightly emotional and filled with turmoil, so I suppose you would latch on to something as inconsequencial as a scriptural quote to justify throwing out the whole thing.

        If there is no way to converse with you because of your prejudice, then there is little reason to converse at all.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY. WHEN YOU AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT BUYING RIOT GEAR IN PREPARATION OF ATTACKING CIVILIANS IN ASSEMBLY, THAT WAS NOT A “godly” TOPIC. WE WERE DISCUSSING POTENTIAL MASS MURDER. THAT IS THE TYPE OF TOPIC I CAN “SINK MY TEETH INTO;” IF YOU AND I “INCH NEAR” A TOPIC REMOTELY DEALING WITH RELIGIOUS MORALITY, WE WILL BE AT ODDS. I THINK YOU KNOW BY NOW, I HAVE A STRONG [AND, CONTROVERSIAL] PERSONALITY. BECAUSE OF YOUR AGE, I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO IDEOLOGICALLY ATTACK YOU IF I NEED TO.

        I READ THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN YOU AND “deerinwater.” I FEEL TOTALLY COMFORTABLE “GOING-OFF” ON “deerinwater” WHEN WE DISAGREE.

        BUT “Kate8,” MA’AM, YOU ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. I MAY HAVE JUST LOST MY FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIP WITH, “JeffH.” BUT, SINCE HE IS A MAN I WILL “STAND MY GROUND” WITH HIM AND NEVER KISS HIS ASS. BUT, I HATE THAT OUTCOME.

        ["Kate8," ma'am, this has to do with our recent situation; I am scared and do not know how to proceed].

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8″ – MA’AM, WOULD IT BE OKAY WITH YOU IF WE TOOK A DISCUSSIONAL HIATUS?

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I find your concern about my age amusing. Believe me, I can take anything you care to dish out. I know exactly who I am and what I’m about, and nothing you could say could affect me personally.

        You, on the other hand, take things very personally, it seems. This is a forum for discussion, and there is no reason for you to take any of it personally. Your take on things is highly colored by your “religious” bias (yes, atheism is a kind of religion, like any ism), so your assertions about “Christians” being unable to be objective is rather laughable.

        That said, there really is no need to converse any further. Your personal beliefs and biases do not affect me at all, nor do I really care about them. You are able to choose the course of your own life, and some people have a passion for truth and some are content to filter everything through their own mindset.

        I will carry on no matter what you and others think or say. As I said, I don’t know everything by a long shot. But what I know, I know, and there’s no going back for me. Besides, after all the years of ridicule, things are now coming out and I shall be vindicated.

        You will see.

        • deerinwater

          Kate 8, you are not under siege, only some of your comments are.

          Have a blessed New Year.

      • Mike in MI

        Deerinwater – You’re absolutely right!!! “…not under seige, here.”

        K88, that she is not threatened at all, hemmed in nor even depressed by the comments of those who might assail her is obvious. She has the rare qualities of integrity, personal realization and personal actualization and inner peace that is unattainable on the left hand side of the ledgers of life.
        Bob Livingston seems to be another one of such rare quality. A few others who come here either are there or very close. Peace – which wouldn’t be available to the world- such as Jesus Christ proffered to his disciples is a multi-facetted gem of singular value, radiance and source of thankfulness.
        Inner conflict and the confusion of mental contradictions makes it an impossible acquisition for those who seek to get peace apart from what Jesus Christ left us and thankfulness for it.
        So, Deerinwater, you couldn’t be more right. I don’t think anyone left-of-center could shake her or phase her or make her anything but grin.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – I do thank you for the kind words, sir. My mission is information, for any who resonate. I understand that everyone is free to choose his own path in life, and that what lies before us all is of our own making. We all will bear the consequences, whatever they may be.

        The world has been on a campaign to eradicate any honor for our Creator since the beginning of time. I’d say those who oppose Him are enjoying unparalleled success in these days.

        Why, one may ask, do they care so much? Why do they go to such strides to attack the Bible, both OT and NT, while seeming not to bother with other religions? What is the big threat here?

        In the past, both Jews and Christians were very highly educated, and have accomplished many feats, many of which have been hijacked and used for weaponry. HAARP, for example, was invented (from the work of Tesla) to help bring rainfall to drought-stricken regions and help end famine. The MIC confiscated this work and have been using it to control weather patterns and cause famine and destruction to the Earth, in order to control (and kill) her people. It is also used to control minds in an attempt to zombify humanity so that it will, ultimately, destroy itself.

        For so long the dark forces have sought ways to better control and enslave humanity, and have used many ways to reduce our numbers. Now they think they have the ultimate weapons of destruction, and are close to realizing their goals of world domination and a very small, totally controlled, slave group, using the very creative power of God (frequency) which makes them feel invincible.

        Does not scripture say that these people will feel they can defy, and even become, gods?

        Does scripture not prophesy everything which is taking place, and what will take place, so that we will recognize and interpret what we see?

        Obviously, if these psychopathic maniacs are to succeed completely, they have to turn people away from this knowledge, so that they will willingly accept all that is put upon them. So that the people will even welcome their slavery. Already people are being micro-chipped, celebrating its convenience, not realizing that these chips are capable of controlling their minds and health via microwaves, and can even terminate them in an instant whenever the controllers choose to do so.

        Most people will fall for the terror inflicted upon them and will welcome the “protection” promised by world government. Of course, many will have to be eliminated…those who are “incompatible” and immune to their mind control. There are but few.

        People of the Book will not willingly march into slavery, will not surrender their understanding of God’s Laws in favor of a godless, self-indulgent and self-destructive society. They see through the promise of “peace and safety” and know that what’s going on is not for their good. If they know scripture, they know what’s really afoot behind the euphemisms and empty promises made by the power-mad financiers and their minions we call the US government.

        Therefore, turning the masses away from, and against, such people is necessary to their realizing their goals. They must be so reviled that people will cheer when they are targeted for elimination.

        Our only hope is in our Creator, coming into Oneness with Him (I and The Father are One) where we can rise above the darkness and help to shine Light upon it. Darkness cannot exist in the presence of Light. Light is Information. Information of Light is Truth. “Know the Truth and the Truth will set you free”. The truth is, we are all part of the vastness of Creation which has eminated from the Love of Creator. All else is illusion of a limited existence in an electrical (polarized) state of duality.

        Could “Rapture” refer to the instant that we realize the Truth, and are set free indeed? It occurs in the “twinkling of an eye” for those who have sought in earnest. Because scripture also tells us that “for those who KNOW HIM”…”No weapons formed against you shall prosper”. Though a thousand fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, still, it shall not come nigh thee”. “Come out of her, My People, that thou doest not partake of her plagues”.

        When we are at the place where we know that no Earthly, humanly solution exists…the wise give it wholly and completely over to God, for He IS the Solution.

        And where to we become One with Christ? He is the Door…the Door is the Heart… And the only Way to the Father is (NOT through the mind) THROUGH THE HEART.

        Peace.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    AFTER READING COMMENTARY IN THREADS PUBLISHED ON 27-28 DECEMBER, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION MANY OF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST – WHATSOEVER – IN ELECTIVE POLITICS. [You will not take enough time to stop making love to your guns]. WHAT LIBERTARIAN OR REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN [IN HIS RIGHT MIND] COULD BE A VIABLE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BY HOLDING SUCH EXTREME VIEWS ON GUNS, AS HELD BY MANY ON THIS SITE.

    C’MON FELLAS, MOST OF YOU ARE CAUCASIAN MALES – SURELY, Y’ALL DO NOT WANT Hillary! PLEASE, DO NOT “BLOW IT!”

    • FreedomFighter

      [IN HIS RIGHT MIND] COULD BE A VIABLE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BY HOLDING SUCH EXTREME VIEWS ON GUNS, AS HELD BY MANY ON THIS SITE.

      George Washington and about 42 more presidents,

      .

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Good one, FF!!! Some folks just don’t get it!

      • deerinwater

        Oh, we get it ~ Jay ~ The line is drawn, no retreat, no surrender, no compromise.

        That is the only position you are permitted to come from. ~ For you know in your heart, a single step backward could be the beginning of 5.

        No one is expecting willful compliance for any reason.

        Just to propose a restriction to the sale of high capacity ammo clips is views as an attack on the 2nd amendment and if successful more might follow.

        This is one of the reasons mankind devised government ~ affording the ability to craft the language in a peaceful manner that best serves everyone.

        clever! No?

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    In mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today’s tragic event is headed in the same direction.

    According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

    One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

    Note: The shooter was originally mid-identified as Ryan Lanza but has now been corrected to Adam Lanza.

    The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.

    No gun can, by itself, shoot anyone. It must be triggered by a person who makes a decision to use it. And while people like NY Mayor Bloomberg are predictably trying to exploit the deaths of these children to call for guns to be stripped from all law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong whatsoever, nobody calls for MEDICATION CONTROL.

    Why is that? After all, medication alters the mind that controls the finger that pulls the trigger. The saying that “guns kill people” is physically impossible. People kill other people, and as we all learned from watching the O.J. Simpson trial, you don’t need a gun to commit murder.

    We should be outlawing psychiatric medications, not an inanimate piece of metal

    If there is to be any legitimate debate on so-called “gun control” in the aftermath of this shooting, the only idea that makes any sense at all would be to restrict gun purchases by people currently taking psychiatric medications. But even that restriction would of course be abused by the government to take guns away from perfectly healthy, law-abiding citizens who innocently seek treatment for mild depression and who honestly have no clue that psychiatric drugs can cause violent behavior.

    A far better solution here would be to outlaw psychiatric drugs that cause the violent behavior in the first place. After all, if you only outlaw guns but fail to eliminate the drugs that cause the violence, people dosed up on mind-altering meds will simply find alternate weapons to commit the same acts of violence. You don’t think a crazy guy with a sword can hack up 20 or 30 kids in a school? A sword, a knife or even a pick axe can be just as deadly as a firearm.

    A guy with a chain saw can do all kinds of damage if he’s out of his mind. Should we ban chain saws?

    A DERANGED MAN BUTCHERED 20 CHILDREN ARMED WITH A KITCHEN-KNIFE IN CHINA. LANZA SLAUGHTERED 20 CHILDREN AND 6 ADULT WITH AN ASSAULT RIFLE!

    I have thought for quite some time that people on medication are dangerous operating automobiles on public roads. If driving drunk is illegal, why isn’t “driving on meds” illegal? Why are wildly medicated people allowed to operate heavy machinery?

    A high-ranking police officer in Tucson, Arizona once told me, on the record, that one-third of all automobile accidents in the city of Tucson were related to medicated drivers. That’s an astonishing number, and if true, it would seem to indicate that medications are more dangerous than guns when it comes to the total daily body count.

    Do the math: medications are far more deadly than guns…

    Medications kill roughly 100,000 Americans each year according to study statistics. The actual number is either 98,000 or 106,000 depending on which study you believe.

    For guns to be as deadly as medications, you’d have to see a Newton-style massacre happening ten times a day, every day of the year. Only then would “gun violence” even match up to the number of deaths caused by doctor-prescribed, FDA-approved medications.

    WHY DOES AMERICA GRIEVE FOR THE CHILDREN KILLED IN NEWTON, BUT NOT FOR THE MEDICAL VICTIMS KILLED BY BIG PHARMA? ARE THE LIVES OF PEOPLE ON MEDICATION NOT VALUABLE COMPARED TO THE LIVES OF CHILDREN IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL?

    Will Obama shed a tear for the victims of Big Pharma, or are his tears reserved only for politically expedient events that push his agenda of unconstitutional gun restrictions?

    If our goal is to stop the violence in America, we are completely dishonest if we do not consider the mental causes of violent behavior. And that starts with mind-altering psychiatric drugs which I believe have unleashed a drug-induced epidemic of violence across our nation.

    Obama, Bloomberg and others will point to guns and try to convince you that inanimate metal objects are the cause of this violence. But they lie by omission. No guns shoots itself. The trigger must be pulled by someone, and the mental state of that person is the primary cause of the resulting action. To ignore this fundamental chain of facts is brutally dishonest.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html

    • Kate8

      JAY – There are people working behind the scenes to bring out the truth for all to hear. We are in a war for the human mind, and people have absolutely no idea how deep this goes.

      These factions said that there would be a release of shocking information prior to the “event”, so everyone would know… and as promised, more and more has been being released every day.

      This will explain a great deal. For those who have no awareness of these things, you will find this quite disturbing. But it has to come out if we are to reverse it. It is, quite literally, a matter of life and death. Ours.

      Clear away the fog. Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

      http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/microwaves-causing-genocide-what-the-government-wont-tell-you-2524474.html

  • deerinwater

    This attempt to play down the effects of mental illness will serve no one.

    The attempt to lay blame for mental illness onto people attempting to address it will serve no one.

    To highlight the fact that medication misuse or abused does serves us all.

    To highlight the fact that some medications are prone to carry certain side effect serves us all.

    To blame a fireman for the damage of chopping a hole though your roof and hosing down everything you own ~ is understandable, ~ But we need to bear in mind of the “compromised position” we have found ourselves in.

    This attempt to say there was “No Fire” might offer great debate ~ but clearly something was amiss. Just because people don’t go about discussing their mental illness does not mean that it does not exist.

    • FreedomFighter

      Petition: Try Dianne Feinstein For Treason
      http://www.infowars.com/petition-try-dianne-feinstein-for-treason/

      The Constitution was written to restrain the government. No amendment is more important for this purpose than the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment was written so the power could be kept with the citizenry in the face of a tyrannical government. It was well understood the Constitution acknowledged certain rights that could not be limited by government.

      Senator Dianne Feinstein has made it clear she does not believe in the Constitution or the inalienable rights of Americans to keep and bear arms. She is actively working to destroy the 2nd amendment with her 2013 assault weapons ban.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      Enough of this Infowars propaganda! If you want someone charged with treason then lets put Wayne La Pierre on trial for promoting these killings and peddling his pudding propaganda too!

      • FreedomFighter

        “Bloody Gun Free Zones”
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eweq5re8KL4

        Eddie I feel sad for you. to say so much that is so wrong, it has to be frustrating to be progressive tool.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Mike in MI

        FreedomFighter -
        DaveH has linked to some guy who does a mea culpa/ confession about his stint as a shill/troll for a professional propaganda/”political-opinion-pushing” company. The confessing writer was given sets of positions he was to take to preselected blogs and websites to push what he was told – regardless of his personal thoughts about the subject(s) he was paid to write about.
        He ultimately quit because he increasingly came to realize how dishonest and disturbed the enterprise was. He at first had no real formulated opinion about the main subject he was paid to argue for on-line.
        However, after while he started believing what he wrote and accepted that position as his own, regardless what the rightness or strengths of the opposing writer(s) might be. As he repeatedly and uncontestedly ran the stuff through his mind he just assumed it as an unintegrated part of his mantra. “Unintegrated” because it wasn’t tied to anything else in his make up.
        edafor70 is not like that though. He can’t recognize “dishonest” or “honest”, nor a “disturbed enterprise” from righteous and positive circumstances. So, he keeps hawking his wares not giving a tinker’s damn.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Deer: This attempt to play down the effects of mental illness will serve no one. The attempt to lay blame for mental illness onto people attempting to address it will serve no one.

      To highlight the fact that medication misuse or abused does serves us all.

      To highlight the fact that some medications are prone to carry certain side effect serves us all.

      To blame a fireman for the damage of chopping a hole though your roof and hosing down everything you own ~ is understandable, ~ But we need to bear in mind of the “compromised position” we have found ourselves in.

      This attempt to say there was “No Fire” might offer great debate ~ but clearly something was amiss. Just because people don’t go about discussing their mental illness does not mean that it does not exist. -Deer

      There is no such thing as “mental illness” as defined and treated by the Psychiatric-organization, Deer; because, from the standpoint of psychiatry, all mental-illness is categorical (absolute, unequivocal) diagnosis that may be conferred following a systematic evaluation and eventually using validated behavior checklists and interview procedures. That is not how medicine is practised, deer.

      It is the duty of every doctor to diagnose actual disease when present, it is equally a doctor’s duty to make clear to their patients that they have no disease, if that is the case, when no abnormality could be found. That is the case with every child and adult referred with a diagnosis of “mental illness” ie…ADHD, Bipolar ect…. Also, it is the duty of every doctor to know the scientific literature concerning every real, neurological disease, and every purported neurological disease as well. ADHD, for example, cannot be validated in the medical/scientific literature. To be sure, neurologists have discovered and reported real neurological and genetic diseases. By contrast, in 40 years of pseudo-scientific research, ‘biological psychiatry,’ has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition/diagnosis as an abnormality/disease, or as anything ‘neurological,’ ‘biological, chemically-imbalanced’ or ‘genetic.’

      You say: This attempt to play down the effects of mental illness will serve no one.
      The attempt to lay blame for mental illness onto people attempting to address it will serve no one.

      I most certainly am not, downplaying the effects of neurological/disease/abnormalities, Deer. My issue is with psychiatrists, who have neither the means, nor the knowledge, nor the scruples to be placed in the position to determine, without scientific/medical evidence, who is ill and what treatment(s) need be prescribed. Psychiatrists are not “Doctors”, they are frauds, with no “medical” knowledge, much less the means by which they can provide concrete evidence for their dubious-diagnosis!

      I am against the treatment of all psychiatric conditions with psycho-tropic drugs because none are actual diseases having confirmatory, demonstrable/diagnosable, objective, abnormalities. Another words, and keeping in mind that the abnormality is the disease; no abnormality, no disease.

      • deerinwater

        Hmm? Well Jay ~ I don’t know what to say. ~ I really don’t.

        I am not one to use absolutes, to say what I will or will not do or will or will not allow, especially when it is not necessary to make such a statement.

        But I do know that after investing 4 semesters in Phy classes from Interpersonal Relationship to Business Relationships. To say, Human Behavior has been under the microscope for several centuries is an understatement. ~ Let me assure you, we have all been labeled and cataloged like butterflies. The professional community knows what constitutes “appropriate behavior” and what does not. They know more about you, than you do. It’s all in text books, somewhere by somebody. They know why we do what we do and the root causes for it. They can tell if you are the first born or only child with only 3 to 5 questions.

        But It’s not so much a matter of being labeled as “normal” but being identified as possessing the skills to “cope” and “thrive” in a world full of other people that we all seek. We are all a little nutty at some level, carry phobias, necroses and predispose to act in certain ways by adulthood.

        A solid 10% to 15% of the posters on this thread display that they are lacking in such coping skills by degrees from the statements that they make.

        I would not be one to tell professionals of such a complicated study of the human mind what that they can or cannot do in the activities of finding cures and treatments for persons that display a serious inability to “cope” with the most basic of human endeavors to coexist with their fellow brothers and sisters in the world of men and women.

        I don’t know how many batteries of personal Phy test that you have taken in your many years Jay. But I assure you they are very reveling and more then likely, not very flattering.

        I spend a week taking such tests for enrollment into college after returning from Nam. The results came back that I was “Wroth, Driven and Socially Clumsy”

        yet? well? ~ I’ll buy that! What would one expect coming from where I had been, ~ I was mad and I didn’t know what to be mad at, so I was mad about everything and just about everyone~ but MaMa!

        I managed to worked thu my anger, this took many years, a lot of education & study, some mandated by the court system and a Judge that was wise enough to “see” and a lot trying on my part. It was a road I walked to “wellness”, a rebuilding stronger then before.

        I was fortunate, I had solid family and community support and something to work “with”. Some people are not as lucky as I, sadly so.

        Many years later I have since underwent such Phy testing for my contracting of “offshore activities” with various contractors that must stay nameless. ~ That I was never privileged to the final results while I did get the job, I’m left say , I passed and was just what they were looking for, a drug free, level headed Pirate that could lead men under extreme pressure and understood the meaning of results without collateral damage and great business liability risk.

        So you can heal mad crazy, but you got to want it and most of all, you can’t do it alone , at some point it’s not uncommon for anyone to need professional help. You cannot always heal yourself when it comes to “Coping” with others in a world loaded with unimaginable variables.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Deer: The professional community knows what constitutes “appropriate behavior” and what does not.

        The professional community is made up of people who, to some degree or another, are as broken as every one else on this planet, Deer. I would’t necessarily consider them to be paragons of virtue, much less take to heart their evaluation of me or anyone else, as their evaluation of others could easily apply to them. What constitutes as “appropriate-behaviour” in the professional community, for the most part, and from my vantage point, is the drive for “profits”. Contrary to that, would be considered “inappropriate-behaviour”. To be fair, not all adhere to such an absolute, as many have sacrificed much, their careers, exposing the rampant “inappropriate-behaviour” in the professional-community. You may have noticed that i posted a rather disturbing article at the bottom of this thread. The article exposes the use of, and incorporating fetus-material in product (beverages/food) for human consumption. Would you consider such to be “appropriate behaviour” in/by the “professional-community”, Deer, or would you consider that, humans consuming humans as “inappropriate-behaviour” by the “professional community”?

        Deer: They know more about you, than you do. It’s all in text books, somewhere by somebody. They know why we do what we do and the root causes for it. They can tell if you are the first born or only child with only 3 to 5 questions.

        And what would be the reason for that, Deer? What drives their obsession to know everything about me, you, and everyone else on planet? Is it for good or ill? Well, that depends on who is in possession of the data, their financial status, their political affiliations/connections, and the level/force of licence they are granted to apply the data in their marketing-schemes, does it not? Now granted, some do mine and obtain the data for noble purposes, ie…for the betterment of mankind. Unfortunately, such people are far too few, and are, for the most part, marginalized and demonized. Case in point, the natural-supplemet industry. Or haven’t you noticed?

        Deer: I would not be one to tell professionals of such a complicated study of the human mind what that they can or cannot do in the activities of finding cures and treatments for persons that display a serious inability to “cope” with the most basic of human endeavors to coexist with their fellow brothers and sisters in the world of men and women.

        Why not, Deer? Why exclude yourself from participating in such an important and noble endeavour? If it seems too complicated, it is only because you haven’t the proper information. You think it too complicated, the study of human behaviour, Deer? Why? What’s so complicated about it? Once you intimately familiarize yourself with a human being, are privy to their life experiences, and, excluding biological abnormalities, human behaviour is not all that complicated. Are you not human yourself? Granted, there are some experiences that are not shared by all, ie…your experience in Nam, and how that exacted a fundamental change in you; or how some will never know the experience of being molested/raped as a child, or loosing a loved one while at a tender age. But i’m convinced the trauma from such experiences should be addressed in term of treatment by love and caring, and not with psycho-tropic drugs, since biological-abnormality was not the cause of the induced stress, but rather the experience. Seems fitting then, that a traumatic experience, and the negative results of such, should be treated with opposite/positive experience; love and caring. It seems to me, that the default-treatment, prescribing medication, rather then human empathy, is for the purpose to avoid or deny the person the treatment they need most, consolation and human empathy.

        Deer: I managed to worked thu my anger, this took many years, a lot of education & study, some mandated by the court system and a Judge that was wise enough to “see” and a lot trying on my part. It was a road I walked to “wellness”, a rebuilding stronger then before. I was fortunate, I had solid family and community support and something to work “with”. Some people are not as lucky as I, sadly so.

        I acknowledge that we’ve had our spats and disagreements, Deer, but i always had a certain level of respect for you, and discerned from all your comments, that you are a strong person, and in possession of admirable coping-skills. Yes, you are fortunate to have a solid family and community support, which confirms/validates my radical approach to treating people who have been traumatized or are experiencing difficulty coping due to lack. You should consider yourself to be rich indeed, Deer!

        Anyways, Deer, its getting late, and my bed beckons. I wish you a heart-felt “Happy-Holidays” and much success in the New-Year. Happy trails to you…

      • Mike in MI

        deerinoverhishead -
        Now…can you say unequivocally that your above statements about human interrelationships are true for ALL cultures, centuries and human conditions…or only as studied in the “civil” Occident? (Are you aware how much the Occident’s elevated self-opinion has influenced scientific discourse? Or, how much it might matter to what we “THINK” we know/consider?) Have you ever studied Anthropology, Archeology or investigated the correlations/contrasts across cultures of the effects of belief systems related to social stability/change like being overcome in warfare, natural disasters, famines, plagues, economic upheavals or “improvements” (like the industrial revolution)? Have you ever seriously looked at catastrophism as a cause of historic changes and the men like Velikovsky and the Uniformitarians who opposed him, how and why and the eventual outcome of their disputations? On what basis and what compiled evidence did he embark on scientific investigations to formulate his theories?
        What about the University of Virginia’s, Professor Jon Haidt and his cross-cultural studies into the socio-political effects of the genetic differences extant between those of a “liberal/anti-status quo” vs “traditional/conservative” motivation for living?
        If you are mentally locked into the Occidental mind set – as you seem to be – you could be in-over-your-head.

        • deerinwater

          Mike say , “Deeriinoverhishead, What about the University of Virginia’s, Professor Jon Haidt and his cross-cultural studies into the socio-political effects of the genetic differences extant between those of a “liberal/anti-status quo” vs “traditional/conservative” motivation for living?
          If you are mentally locked into the Occidental mind set – as you seem to be – you could be in-over-your-head.”

          I say, I can tell when someone is attempting to change the subject with off-topic gobblygook and has not the maturity to control himself, resorting to childish name play Mike in Mi.

          If you can’t control yourself Mike, we are done here.

      • deerinwater

        Jay says; “Why exclude yourself from participating in such an important and noble endeavor? If it seems too complicated, it is only because you haven’t the proper information. You think it too complicated, the study of human behavior, Deer? ”

        Oh, I’m not exclude at all ~ but I recognize my limitation when sized up against an 200 year core study where people that have made it their life’s work Jay. While that said, bottom-line, it’s for each of us to take the responsibility for our own health.

        I won’t work on other peoples minds if doctor’s won’t work on HVAC system.

        Don’t ask a plumber to do carpenter work and expect quality results. It rarely turns out well.

        And Jay, you too, ~ have a safe and blessed New Year, you’re always a pleasure.

      • Mike in MI

        Deerinwater -
        Difficulty with absolutes, claims to be a Christian, derisively refers to things the Bible states are true, refuses to consider (as gobblely gook) ideas offered (which when I saw it made whistles and bells go off in my head) to bring a little bit different perspective to matters at hand and, then, in another post ends with talk about the difficulties coping in a world fraught with endless, confusing variables and won’t consider that he has missed something somewhere ought to make others wonder…..a little.

        • deerinwater

          Just take your meds and go to the Dojo often. Work it out Mike.

  • Fedup

    Lots of heavy stuff here – where is Flashy when we need some comic relief?!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    CHAPTER 1: AN INDUSTRY OF DEATH

    Through rare historical and contemporary footage and interviews with more than 160 doctors, attorneys, educators, survivors and experts on the mental health industry and its abuses, this riveting documentary blazes the bright light of truth on the brutal pseudoscience and multi-billion dollar fraud that is psychiatry.

    We think you have the right to know the cold, hard facts about psychiatry, its practitioners and the threat they pose to our children. Get the truth—watch this film.

    Governments, insurance companies and private individuals pay billions of dollars each year to psychiatrists in pursuit of cures that psychiatrists admit do not exist. Psychiatry’s “therapies” have caused millions of deaths.

    13 video presentations here: http://www.cchr.org/videos/psychiatry-an-industry-of-death-1.html

    • Kate8

      Another great site, JAY.

      When enough people understand these things, we can stop this nightmare.

  • Kate8

    There are volumes coming out about the lone-gun ‘shooters’.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2012/12/satanic-cover-up-virginia-tech-seung-hui-cho-programmed-to-kill-2447224.html

    This incident, as well as the others, are pure psy-ops.

    There is also a video of Emily Parker being seen days after she supposedly ‘died’.

    It has been proven that Sandy Hook had been planned by DHS for at least 2 years, and that everyone involved were actors. Except, perhaps, the patsy and his mom. Who knows.

    I can post more links if anyone is interested.

  • Charlie

    Bob,,, good article,,,but,,,We think all “crimes” tie in with what Paul wrote at 1 Timothy 6:10, “the love of money is the root of many evils”… The American “C E G”, corrupt evil government, is backed up by a corrupt money system , Federal Reserve Banking … The corrupt Medical system is backed up by the Drug Stores, etc, … Does any one know any part of BIG government that is clean,clean??? We don’t ,,,even the Churches are mostly corrupt, the Churches have bowed down and are “brainwashed” by the state god…

    As We have said before , when the C E G is cleaned up , it will ONLY happen with the Power of King Jesus Christ in leadership of The True Christians …
    The C E G is on a program to destroy The Constitution and The Bible… The Constitution is basically gone ,,,but,,,”They” cannot destroy The Bible… Meanwhile…………….
    Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    Charlie Freedom

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    The Economic Drive of Abortion

    The world of economics runs on the basis of supply and demand. And this is perhaps the largest fear to approving fetal tissue research and transplants from elective aborted fetuses. While it is claimed that supply is sufficient to meet current demand – which is a tragedy in itself – what is to happen when researchers discover that the fetal tissue products can effectively treat a broader assortment of disease and illnesses? What happens when there is still not enough supply? While these questions may seem overstated, we should not underestimate the advances of medical technology or the moral corruption of modern society.

    Several proposals were brought to the National Institutes of Health Panel to protect babies from being procured for the motive of profit. Yet with an estimated annual income of SIX BILLION DOLLARS, the potential for abuse in fetal tissue industry would be substantial, not to mention very difficult to regulate and enforce. ‘With the anticipated profitability of the industry once the technology can alleviate a larger number of diseases, there will be increasing pressures to “share the wealth” produced by these transplants.’ (Scott Rae, ibid)

    Related to the supply of the fetus, is the supply of fresh and more mature fetuses. The timing of abortion becomes an important consideration to the researchers and medical community who benefit from a more matured and developed fetus. The majority of abortions procedures are performed between the sixth and eleventh weeks of pregnancy, however delaying until the fourteen to sixteenth weeks will yield fetal tissue that is usable in pancreatic transplants. Simply put, the older the fetus THE MORE VALUABLE! A subsequent concern of delaying the abortion procedures until the ‘ripe’ time period, is the emotional effects this will have for the mother. Aborting the unborn baby at four months old (as opposed to 6-11 weeks old) will compound the emotional impact on the mother resulting in a significant increase in post abortion trauma.

    Avoiding Foods, Beverages and Vaccines Containing Aborted Fetal Cells

    As recently as May, Pepsi ignored concerns and criticism from dozens of pro-life groups and tens of thousands of pro-life people who voiced their opposition to PepsiCo contracting with biotech company Senomyx even after it was found to be testing their food additives using fetal cells from abortions.

    “The company’s key flavor programs focus on the discovery and development of savory, sweet and salt flavor ingredients that are intended to allow for the reduction of MSG, sugar and salt in food and beverage products,” the Senomyx web site says. “Using isolated human taste receptors, we created proprietary taste receptor-based assay systems that provide a biochemical or electronic readout when a flavor ingredient interacts with the receptor.”

    Debi Vinnedge, of the pro-life group Children of God for Life, explained, “What they don’t tell the public is that they are using HEK 293 — human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce those receptors. They could have easily chosen animal, insect, or other morally obtained human cells expressing the G protein for taste receptors.”

    In August 2010, PepsiCo entered into a four-year agreement with Senomyx for the development of artificial high-potency sweeteners for PepsiCo beverages. Under the contract, PepsiCo is paying $30 million to Senomyx for the research and future royalties on PepsiCo products sold using Senomyx technology. When the prolife group wrote both companies requesting they use one of several non-objectionable, viable cell lines listed in their patents, Senomyx did not respond. PepsiCo did reply however and insisted that its use of the research from Senomyx would produce “great tasting, lower-calorie beverages.”

    The following products are manufactured using aborted fetal cells:

    PEPSI BEVERAGES
    - All Pepsi soft drinks
    - Sierra Mist soft drinks
    - Mountain Dew soft drinks
    - Mug root beer and other soft drinks
    - No Fear beverages
    - Ocean Spray beverages
    - Seattle’s Best Coffee
    - Tazo beverages
    - AMP Energy beverages
    - Aquafina water
    - Aquafina flavored beverages
    - DoubleShot energy beverages
    - Frappuccino beverages
    - Lipton tea and other beverages
    - Propel beverages
    - SoBe beverages
    - Gatorade beverages
    - Fiesta Miranda beverages
    - Tropicana juices and beverages

    NESTLE PRODUCTS
    - All coffee creamers
    - Maggi Brand instant soups, bouillon cubes, ketchups, sauces, seasoning, instant noodles

    KRAFT – CADBURY ADAMS PRODUCTS
    - Black Jack chewing gum
    - Bubbaloo bubble gum
    - Bubblicious bubble gum
    - Chiclets
    - Clorets
    - Dentyne
    - Freshen Up Gum
    - Sour Cherry Gum (Limited)
    - Sour Apple Gum (Limited)
    - Stride
    - Trident

    CADBURY ADAMS CANDIES
    - Sour Cherry Blasters
    - Fruit Mania
    - Bassett’s Liquorice All sorts
    - Maynards Wine Gum
    - Swedish Fish
    - Swedish Berries
    - Juicy Squirts
    - Original Gummies
    - Fuzzy Peach
    - Sour Chillers
    - Sour Patch Kids
    - Mini Fruit Gums

    OTHER CADBURY ADAMS PRODUCTS
    - Certs breath mints
    - Halls Cough Drops

    NEOCUTIS PRODUCTS
    This company produces anti wrinkle creams that
    contain cells from a 14 week gestation aborted male
    baby. Following is the list of the creams, but we
    recommend a full boycott of all Neocutis Products.

    - Bio-Gel Prevedem Journee
    - Bio-Serum Lumiere
    - Bio Restorative Skin Cream

    VACCINES

    MMR II (Merck)
    ProQuad (MMR + Chickenpox — Merck)
    Varivax (Chickenpox — Merck)
    Pentacel (Polio + DTaP + HiB — Sanofi Pasteur)
    Vaqta (Hepatitis-A — Merck)
    Havrix (Hepatitis-A — Glaxo SmithKline)
    Twinrix (Hepatitis-A and B combo — Glaxo)
    Zostavax (Shingles — Merck)
    Imovax (Rabies — Sanofi Pasteur)

    OTHER MEDICINES:
    Pulmozyme (Cystic Fibrosis — Genetech)
    Enbrel (Rheumatoid Arthritis — Amgen)

    Dave Mihalovic is a Naturopathic Doctor who specializes in vaccine research, cancer prevention and a natural approach to treatment.

    http://birthofanewearth.blogspot.ca/2012/03/avoid-using-products-containing-aborted.html

    • Kate8

      JAY – It seems pretty obvious that there are several reasons for the promotion of abortions, one being the huge profits made from it all down the line.

      In China, babies are a culinary delicasy which weathy men pay big money for. This includes full term infants. They are generally made into soup. They believe that this has great rejuvating properties.

      Babies are sometimes stolen, but are often sold for money. How sick is this.

      More and more we are adopting China’s disregard for human life. This is part of what comes from communism. Humans are but a resource.

      • deerinwater

        There is no “promotion” of abortion Kate.

        The only thing that is being promoted is opposition to the practice in it’s limited use of women’s wellness issues by elites that use it as a wedge issue to keep a voting population divided by appealing to moral issues .

        For the most self- righteous among us, the issue plays on the heart strings and notions of moral high ground and wish to see it as justified ~ finding themselves most willing to supersede personal freedom and right of women ( the host of life) for the rights of a fetus from conception forward with no guarantee the fetus will even reach maturity and become a person. To intervene into another peoples life without invitation while willing to ignore the problems associated with unwanted pregnancy, women heath or children born into an unwelcome home.

        This attempt to remove all of the grey and claim the world as Black or White might well satisfy your moral sensitivities but it fall far short into full accounting of all the issues and blind to personal freedom afford to all citizens to control ones own body functions.

        That’s such an issue as a undeveloped fetus rights keeps us divided ~ the elite’s rejoice and celebrate.

      • Mike in MI

        Deerinwater -
        Never mind a bit that it’s cannibalism, eh, Mr. No-problem-with-this-at-all? Do yu recall that Kreuzfeldt-Jacob Disease could be an issue and the horrors wrought in the minds of those so afflicted.
        Of course, it’s entirely possible, given current agricultural practices and USDA/FDA regulatory laxity, that at least part of the problem we face with madness is due to prion infestations from eating beef.
        Maybe you do have an excuse.

      • Kate8

        You are so right, Mike in MI. The Laws of God are admonishments that we would avoid the plagues and curses that come from practices which lead to disease, both mental and physical, and that we would be healthy, happy and prosperous.

        The practices promoted by today’s society (courtesy of the fallen elite) bring about much suffering. Whether it be homosexuality, promiscuity of all manner and deviance, abortion, lack of honor, disrespect…all these things lead to disease and misery.

        We have the right to violate these Laws if we so choose, but it is at our own peril.
        ___________________

        And deer, I have always advocated that issues like abortion and sexual deviance be left completely out of government (with regard to adults…Children should be protected at all cost) and left to the kharma of the individual. However, we are seeing even pedophelia becoming more accepted in high circles and is filtering down among the godless.

        Without government interference, people are more likely to make better choices for themselves, and those who don’t are naturally somewhat avoided by the more healthy for their own strength in their progeny. This is natural and reasonable.

        It is government which encourages (and then mandates) that we all inter-relate in every way, by force when necessary…and allows us no way to set ourselves apart (which should be everyone’s right). And they set about to prey upon our children, that we lose our influence and they are moulded into the little deviants they desire, pliable and soul-less.

        Government IS the problem, and as such, can be no part of a sound solution.

        They operate using the Hegelian Dialectic: create a problem, elicit a reaction, and then rush in with the solution. Which always results in the creation of many new problems, and the cycle perpetuates until they are in total control.

  • deerinwater

    Children and fetus ?

    • Kate8

      deer – Only people like you see a difference.

      Peole like you look at children as an inconvenience. From the first moments of awareness of their presence, my children were cherished and protected. Children, even at their inception, are worthy and deserving of life.

      No wonder so many kids today are so messed up. They are not loved. They are viewed as a burden by people whose hearts have become cold.

      The time to avoid having children is at the moment just prior to conception, not after it occurs. But it is so typical of the Left to shirk responsibility, to indulge in any form of self-gratification and then want some parental figure (government, doctors) to come along later and fix it for them; to save them from themselves. To justify even murder, so you can feel okay (and even self-righteous) about it.

      Go ahead. Kill your offspring. But leave the rest of us out of it. You mess up, you deal with it. This is not the place for government or any form of mandated action. We will all answer for ourselves at some point.

      This government you think is so benevolent is using you. It has no real compassion for you once the votes are in. In fact, you are held in the highest contempt by them, because you have no conviction, no self control, and their ultimate satisfaction will be the time when they squash all of us like vermin.

      • deerinwater

        Kate says; “deer – “Only people like you see a difference.
        People like you look at children as an inconvenience. From the first moments of awareness of their presence, my children were cherished and protected. Children, even at their inception, are worthy and deserving of life. ”

        I say; Kate there is a big difference between a fetus and a child or a chicken and a egg.

        I will concede to the fact, time is most relevant in this determination while you are attempting to say that it is not. There is where the point of contention lies between us.

        The medical community has made this decision, bringing all their knowledge and experience to bear , the courts have made a ruling
        on the merits of the evidence presented, ~ but you don’t wish to accept or agree with this ruling.

        Somehow, you think you are smarter. brighter, more cleaver, more pure by virtue of pure conviction.

        Katie, you are a fearful woman that relishes in feeding your fears, you see the Boggie Man everywhere you look. You dig though this crap on the net like a Dumpster Diver looking for something of value.

        “Microwaves Causing Genocide, What The Government Won’t Tell You”

        “Artificial Telepathy, Silent Sound Spread Spectrum & Chemtrails”

        These are phobia’s Kate. ~ Things that some people do not understand and fear. They are seen as unnatural and threatening. The microwave oven fear started prior to1972 and most people were over it by 1976. I was a factory field rep. for Tappan at that time, we had a lot of product out that had to be “resold” . I felt much like a priest casting out devils.
        Contrails are a naturally occurring physical event that can’t be prevented without treating engine exhaust.(which would serve no purpose other then avoid alarming people like yourself )

        There are many people like yourself Kate, you are not unique or special in this way. There is enough of you that media outlets pander to your hunger and print material especially designed for your consumption, much like Supermarket Tabloids, loaded with unflattering pictures and gossip about celebrities and their secret lives, attempting to remove the glamour and bring them down a notch and make you feel better about your own lot.

        “Government is BAD! ” While there is enough truth in such a statement, why this “driving need” to fabricating falsehoods and out right lies about government ?

        Then for you to attempt to use Government, the same government that you hate so badly, to inflict your will and beliefs onto other citizen is an ACT ~ I have no words to describe! I don’t know of a word that accuracy defines or describes such behavior.

        I don’t know what to tell you Kate8, ~ What kind of life could you be having today? I would not begin to speculate.

        In any case, ~ I see no need in describing the joy that I find in ALL children , you have your opinion ~ and the burden is on you to live with it and not I.

      • Kate8

        deer – Once again, you display your stunning lack of knowledge and information.

        I do not wish to force my ideas on anyone. That is the job of liberals and overbearing government. And, you are right, I do not accept the “rulings” of so-called experts, be they medical or judicial. These are MEN, men with an agenda. Their rulings are not based on anything sound but, rather, on their collective intent to control society.

        Midical science is not sound, either. It is an indoctrination process that is based on a false paradigm. It is a for-profit, huge industry which lines the pockets of eugenicists. You figure that one out.

        All I want is to be left alone. That seems to be something that you liberals just can’t abide.

        Call me whatever you want. After all, that is your reason for being here: to ridicule anyone who defies the status quo. To name-call and deride. It makes no difference whatever to me, nor to the vast majority of posters who are here to genuinely share and give support.

        Perhaps if you availed yourself of some of the information posted, you’d not have such a closed mind. Trolls are hired, after all, because of their lack of any real knowledge about things, and their willingness to accept whatever government tells them. So, it is you, my brainwashed friend, who live in a world of illusion.

        Like I said, the truth is coming out every day. Soon the controlled media won’t be able to hide it all anymore, and you and your cohorts in crime will be either be shocked because you you really didn’t know or because you couldn’t help to cover it up anymore.

        The only real fearful people are the ones who can’t bear to learn and face a reality which they find too overwhelming to accept. Those of us who are willing to look at it do so because we’ve been able to put aside fear instead of cowering like helpless sheep, and who care enough about humanity to stand in the face of ridicule dished out by people like you because we recognize that you are weak.

        We also understand what, historically, happens to those who stand up for truth. But to do otherwise, to sell out like the vast majority, is just not in us.

        The only thing which is fearful is the depths of evil in which much of humanity has sunk.

        We all make our choices. I will stand for truth as long as I have breath. For what do you stand? Or is your job just to tear down.

        • deerinwater

          You are soliciting Kate , you fear being left alone.

          I will leave you alone.

          Good bye Katie

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

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