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Gunning For Tyranny

July 31, 2012 by  

Gunning For Tyranny
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Your current magazines are “grandfathered in.”

Late last week, as Democrats and their media minions jockeyed for position at the front of the macabre post-Aurora-massacre line of people who reflexively oppose the Bill of Rights, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) grabbed his moment in the glare. It’s well known that the space between Schumer and a working camera is far more dangerous than any place frequented by people with firearms, and Schumer’s latest publicly expressed folly was hardly surprising under the circumstances. A tragedy had occurred; and come hell or high water, Schumer was loath to miss a chance to use the coffins of the victims as a soapbox for yet another mind-numbing liberal pronouncement on the dangers of law-abiding citizens owning firearms. Worse yet, Schumer and a number of his fellow Senators were loath to miss an opportunity to force their anti-Constitutional criteria on a citizenry already suffering their presence in the halls of Congress.

Thus did Schumer proclaim:

(The) basic complaint is that the Chuck Schumers of the world want to take away your guns. I think it would be smart for those of us who want rational gun control to make it known that that’s not true at all.

Personally, I think it would be smart for all of us to recognize that the Chuck Schumers of the world have hardly hidden their desire to take away our guns. In fact, the Chuck Schumers of the world are joined by Senators Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) of the world, among others. And they are backed by the Brady Campaign and fellow fringe anti-Bill of Rights groups in their endeavors. That’s how the Chuck Schumers of the world get away with remarks like “rational gun control” while pushing for anything but.

While Schumer took to the floor to once again rail against things he doesn’t understand (which is hardly uncommon), he did so in an effort to throw a rhetorical blanket over an offensively secretive plan to do far more than simply abrogate the right to keep and bear arms. Following the Senate approval for amendments of the abominably invasive Cybersecurity Act of 2012 (itself a redressed version of the similarly appalling Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, which Representative Ron Paul rightly identified as “Big Brother writ large”), Schumer and his friends pulled a fast one. They tacked an amendment onto the bill which might as well be known as the “Aurora Amendment.” Rather than try to take on the 2nd Amendment from the front, Schumer and his accomplices pinned their pusillanimous program to ban everything north of your daughter’s pink .22 Crickett onto the Federal cyberspying bill.

If Schumer, et al.’s S.A. 2575 seems familiar to observers of dastardly Democrat deeds, that’s because it is essentially a backdoor attempt to reintroduce the infamous “assault weapons ban” of years past. The new amendment is, in fact, virtually identical to the gun-ban bill introduced by Lautenberg. Feinstein sponsored the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004. S.A. 2575 would, without a separate vote, “make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices such as gun magazines, belts, feed stripes and drums of more than 10 rounds of ammunition with the exception of .22 caliber rim fire ammunition,” according to The Hill. It’s worth noting that your current magazines, whether they be the 30-rounders most of us use for our ARs or one of those unwieldy 31 round monsters the Koreans make for the Glock 22 .40 caliber, are “grandfathered in.”

Before you panic and open a new tab on your browser so you can begin ordering replacement magazines for your AR-15, keep in mind that the bill still has to pass the Senate. That means the Senate will actually have to do something proactive — not exactly a strong suit under the listless leadership of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). And even if it does manage to make its way out of that wrinkled group, it’s as likely to pass the House as Chuck Schumer is to win the next 3-gun match at the local range.

The real problem with Schumer’s latest attempted abrogation of our Constitutionally protected rights — his protestations to the contrary be damned — is the same one that has plagued the Nation for decades: The basic premise of gun-ban proponents is fatally flawed. While liberals would ultimately prefer to relieve us all of our weapons, they know that will fly like a stone kite. So they try their usual incrementalist tack. They can’t get the guns, so they’ll limit the magazine capacity.

(Author’s aside: Stop saying “clips.” They’re not clips; they’re magazines. Your use of inaccurate descriptives reveals much more about you than it does about your intended targets. Likewise, weapons like my AR and my 1911 are not “automatic,” they’re semi-automatic: one round per trigger pull. Fully automatic weapons have been illegal in the United States without specialized permits since the early 1930s. Your argument might resonate more if you sounded even vaguely like you knew what the hell you were talking about. Imagine how you would feel if a conservative suggested cutting off taxpayer funding for the liberal twaddle on PBS with references to “Oliver the Grouch” on “Sesame Lane.”)

Some of Schumer’s carrion-feeding compatriots have even attempted to point to Aurora, Colo., suspect James Holmes’s ownership of a 100-round drum as proof of the need to limit magazine capacity. That argument falls apart fairly quickly when you realize the magazine wasn’t used during the shooting. The shooter didn’t need it; he had the advantage of knowing that anti-Bill of Rights activists like Schumer had already disarmed his victims through draconian restrictions that disallow any carry inside the Aurora city limits. It’s also worth noting that anyone who has tried to fire an AR with a 100-round drum magazine has recognized fairly quickly that it’s a fairly miserable experience — and that’s just the drudgery of loading the magazine itself.

For his part, Schumer added another amendment to his defense of the indefensible, suggesting:

We can debate where to draw the line of reasonableness, but we might be able to come to an agreement in the middle…Maybe, maybe, maybe we can pass some laws that might, might, might stop some of the unnecessary casualties.

Pardon my saying so, Senator, but the moment you and your cabal of Brady-backed gun grabbers began discussing limiting my Constitutional rights, you put “reasonableness (sic)” in the rearview mirror. There is absolutely nothing reasonable about agreeing to abrogate the Bill of Rights. There is no middle ground. And perhaps if people like you didn’t consistently focus on guns as opposed to criminals who misuse them, we “might, might, might stop some of the unnecessary casualties.” My suggestion is to arrest the Attorney General. At the very least, you’d be sending a strong message that arming homicidal narcoterrorists is generally frowned upon.

And once anyone offers Schumer and the Democrats “an agreement in the middle,” where does that leave the end? Should we agree to “the middle” on free speech? Perhaps allow some quartering of troops in our homes, but only squad-sized or smaller? Possibly we could compromise on… Come to think of it, the Federal government has already made a practice of doing everything to the Bill of Rights besides murdering it and burying it in Schumer’s backyard. Anyone who has watched as Transportation Security Administration agents have searched a handicapped person’s colostomy bag for explosives can testify that the 4th Amendment is certainly on life support, if it isn’t dead already.

Democratic attempts to institute limitations on the Bill of Rights routinely devolve into the dangerous or the absurd — as often as not, both. S.A. 2575 will have precisely the same prophylactic effect on violent crime as Aurora’s ban: none, at best. Meanwhile, the liberal arguments backing Schumer border on the absurd. Of course the Framers of the Constitution lived in a world with flintlocks and the like. Lest anyone stand on that wobbly rhetorical table, imagine the Framers’ reaction to the liberal argument in favor of Constitutionally protected partial-birth abortion.

The late, great Senator Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) said “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” He was right. But defending liberty against the encroachment of people like Schumer is anything but extreme.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • DaveH

    It’s simple. The Leaders can’t finally walk over us until they disarm us.
    Given they way the Leaders disrespect us now, imagine how they will treat us when we are disarmed.

    • revnowwhilewecan

      “To conquer a nation, first disarm it’s citizens.” ~Adolph Hitler

      • know it all

        That says it all ! And that’s just what king obutthead wants to get rule of his subjects ! God Bless.

      • TIME

        Dear Rev,

        Saddly your, oh so right…..Whats even more crazy is that the American people let alone the people of the world are all paying for their own Demise. Now thats bloody sad!

        Can I get anyone a nice warm cup of Sodium Floride / Rat Poison?

        Peace and Love

      • FreedomFighter

        We must fight the takeover, vote in Nov., vote them all out.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • taino21

        “Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”Sara Brady,Chairman ,Handgun Control Inc., to Senator Howard Metzenbaum. The National Educator, January 1994, P.3

      • eddie47d

        Third time this week my reply wasn’t posted under the right person . My Comment to Taino21 is now later on.

      • tbyrd420

        What were they thinking in the first place to even give an inch to this guy living in our Whitehouse? They got change alrite he wants all of the US to be unprotected and to bow down to him! LIKE HELL I WILL.who is he anyway? has anyone ever heard of this jerk before his intemidators got him voted in by flashing their batons at old ladies,and telling them you cant vote here.such tough guys. HUH? Personally I think hes the ANTICRIST. AND HE MUST GO.ANOTHER HITLER WE DONT NEED……..

      • ALL AMERICAN

        That says it all, and that’s just what these MFs are trying to do. Continue the fight Patriots..

    • J

      I can tell you how. They have already built 60 Fema Camps and produced an Army Regulation AR 210-35 Civilian Labor Camp. They have a full Army Battalion just brought back from Afganistan to finish their training to go from city to city, door to door using road blocks etc. to take all of our guns away! Soldier’s warning on Youtube and Fema camps on Youtube are the proof in the pudding. They also have built train cars (black) and hired a company in Houston to weld shakles on the walls of each car. But! their is 1 in 10 cars that does not have shakles but just one single piece of equipment. A guillatine, yes, thats what I said something to cut your head off with. Our government commissioned China to make 150,000 of them. They are in box cars already and the rest are in shipping crates in Long Beach Harbor. Look up beach grove Indiana fema camp. The only problem with this one is that their are no long term cells. ITS A DEATH CAMP! What can you do to avert this attack on civilians? Fight BACK! Store food and water, vote out Obama and remove all from office who appose the United States consitiution for what it really stands for and above all, bring God back into America!

      • know it all

        They have wasted more tax dollars building these camps,because obutthead and his so called armies have underestimated the American gun owners.America was won with the gun and will stay stronge with the gun !! He will also soon find out that his army will dismattle when they have to shoot and imprison their own family members and friend and neighbors. God Bless !

      • DaveH

        The Soviets were well known for stationing soldiers far away from their home towns where they weren’t so likely to commiserate with the people they were suppressing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        Where is the PROOF of any of this? I’ve read it, heard it, but never seen the least bit of evidence of it.

      • Monarchist

        can you provide evidence of this U.S. order to China for the 150,000 unit decapitation devices? Also, this Beach Grove Indiana Fema camp thing is an absolute joke! If you think
        a facility like that can hold (agsinst their will) thousands of people you are easily deceived!
        The Cyclone fence around that place is a joke for containing and restraining mobs of people. It’s pathetic videos and presentations like these that take away the weight of
        potentially real claims to conspire.

        /

      • Gary L

        MARK ARE REYNOLDS, I suppose you think silence from the media means there is no proof? Wake up.

      • TIME

        Dear J,

        Don’t you understand thats whats called “PROGRESS?” Yes indeed thats just what the “ZIONIST / PROGRESSIVES” goals are working toward.

        So as you can see if there are no methods for the Mass’s to fight back then we all can be “PROGRESSED”" to a new higher standard of life.

        To PROGRESS to a TWO class system, the UBER RICH, and the slaves who provide for these special UBER RICH’s whims.

        So how to do this is to get the mass’s of people to PAY for their own demise, while shouting about the fact that they are very PROGRESSIVE and Forward thinking.
        Hey its working out really quite well by all you see daily on the TV by way of the Mass Media.

        How sad is that?

        Peace and Love

      • mark

        Total right-wing gun nut fantasy. You have all been feeding these completely fabricated paranoid fantasies for years now. And they never ever ever come true! But keep on spewing and believing these absolute lies. The very idea that a single army battalion of 800 men could sieze 300 million guns and imprison half the 300 million strong population. This shows what complete idiocy you are peddling. But the level of intelligence on this website is so low that most will no doubt believe these fairy tales that are always just about to happen – but oh so conveniently never do!

      • DaveH

        A good place to start looking, Mark, would be infowars.com.
        Here’s something about FEMA camps:
        http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-fema-camps-confirmed/

      • http://yahoo.com William Anderson

        Well if all of this is true, this might be the time when blacks and whits will fight bach to back, we will need there guns, and quite frankly, they will need us. If this happens it just might put an end to racism, your post is very scary, it put chills down my spine and scared the lining sh111t out of me.our rights are being eroded slowly and there just might not be a race war, but a war against our brothers and sisters.

      • Vicki

        Mark Are Reynolds says:
        “Where is the PROOF of any of this? I’ve read it, heard it, but never seen the least bit of evidence of it.”

        Look up the army regulation listed above and note its description of civilian labor.

      • thomas

        amen brothers ,fight for our freedom,im ready to fight,first i,m going to vote them out of office ,then we are going to fight for smaller government,give control back to the citizens of usa.i love all of you who are freedom fighters.

      • Joe H

        to all of you that think there is no “back door effort” to trample the second ammendment answer this. In S3414, the new cyber security bill, what does the size of a magazine have to do with cyber security??? answer? Not a dam thing! The libbies are trying every way they can to end your rights to own and bear arms!

      • Art

        Oh they can take my guns and what ever else they want but remember one thing any body who points a gun at me being american or otherwise is fair game.

      • Skip Foss

        I could not agree with you more this sorry theives want to rid us of our only way to stop them from taking over everything in our lives. Most of those being trained to enforce these takeovers are Muslims,jihadist or illegals that have been promised that they will be given our land and what goods we have if they arrest or kill us, I feel this way ,when I see a blue helment pull up on my property there will bee a bunch for thm to come collect because they will be grave yard dead

      • JeffH

        May I repeat myself and alert all who care and are concerned to realize that “UN Agenda 21″ is underway within our borders. Many in our government, state, county and cities are complicit with this UN Agenda…understand that it is real and it has been eroding our national sovereignty for over 50 years.

        Agenda 21 – The U.N. Plan for Your “Sustainable” Community
        Note: This global contract binds all nations to the collective vision of “sustainable development.” They must commit to pursue the three E’s of “sustainability”: Environment, Economy and Equity referring to the UN blueprint for environmental regulations, economic manipulation, and social equity.
        http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html

        • gunny55

          They are already building bike ways in Arkansas.

      • JeffH

        The American Policy Center is an excellant source for info about Agenda 21′s sustainable developement

        Watch the video – Tom Deewese talks about Agenda 21.
        http://americanpolicy.org/

        Also, click on the link: Environmental Protection or Global Governance?

      • Karolyn

        And EVERYTHING you see on YouTube is absolutely true! HaHaHaHaHa!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        No, not everything, Karolyn, don’t be so gullible.

      • David

        Have we ever lived in times such as these when our own govt is shredding the very laws that have made us the greatest FREE Nation in the world? No. It is all prophesied to happen; America will fall (as will other Nations) to make way for the New World Order and One World Governance. Their goal total dominion over the world population. Ah, but the world population will be much smaller, by 80% (look up “georgia stone”) It is their vision credo for the future. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN CHANGE IS FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE US TO CEASE from all uncleanliness and turn to God. True enough, This Nation was founded by people who were a righteous lot. They prayed, believed in doing good to others by virtue of service, ATTENDED CHURCH, keep the commandments, etc, etc. This land (the “Promise Land”) came with a Promise from God; if we would worship God, we would be protected from all other Nations. George Washington had many miracles happen as he fought against Great Brittan (It is recorded history that has long been left out of our schools as the liberals try to rewrite history to say they were all atheists, homosexuals and other!.. truly unbelievable.Anyway, read “The American Covenant” …One Nation Under God by Timothy Ballard, and you will learn how special America IS and the Covenant made with the people of this Nation. We did not become the greatest because of our own doing… God has been behind it from the beginning, but as we have turned away from Him, so He has been turning away from us leaving us to ourselves to destroy ourselves an to be destroyed.

        Vote, vote vote… yes, we need to do our part. BUT WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN OF THE CANDIDATES and vote for those who have good values, morals and ethics WHO have a belief in CHRIST! My greatest fear is that Obama will not just walk away from the power he has taken from the people…but when it becomes apparent he will loose, he will create a National Crises and impose Martial Law( he already has that set up) He also has set up complete,and total control of all communications in an emergency so we can not communicate amongst ourselves to organize (divided we fall)

        And YES, all the horror stories you’ve heard about the prison camps, gas chambers, acres of coffins and the like are all TRUE. Again, you have to ask if it falls inline with their hidden agenda, then it is not fabricated. Again… look up Georgia Stone and read to your horror what they have posted in a PUBLIC PLACE!
        In the meantime, PRAY for our Country. Pray that people will turn away from evil and to God. Only God can and WILL assist us. When we draw close to Him, He will draw near to us! Of this, I testify in His name, even Jesus Christ.

      • ALL AMERICAN

        Yes. Be vigilant. Stock up on all supplies and particularly water and filtration device methods. Be alert and always immediately inform others of any shady activity.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.mcauliffe.5 Thomas McAuliffe

      for the shumers of this world i say bring it on the first schumer that shows up at ny door to take away my 2nd amendment rights will receive the business end of my gun i will not give up my constitutional rights so all you schumers take that jackass traitor obama and go drown yourselves in the ocean!

      • mark

        Yeah like they’re both really afraid of you – a bedwetting coward who falls for whatever anti-gun propaganda comes down the pike.

      • DaveH

        You’re such a child, Mark.

      • Joe H

        Thats the way mark, just say it over and over again, they aren’t gonna come n take the guns and maybe you can convince yourself it isn’t true!

      • JeffH

        MOLON LABE – It signifies our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given – or natural, if you will – rights to suit their own ends.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Well said, JeffH!

      • Kate8

        DaveH, JeffH, Joe H (hey, are you guys related?), AJ, Jay and everyone:

        THE ONLY PERMIT WE NEED IS THE 2nd AMENDMENT.

        http://americannationalmilitia.com/latest-updates/

        Stunning video. The truth as we were never told.

        This is non-partisan, and should even give pause to you libs.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Excellent post, Kate8. However, the truth contained in the video presentation was well known by those with eyes to see, and ears to hear, even before the invasion. But they, and the truth, were suppressed by the progressive media. Not surprising the progs never protested obama’s invasion of Libya. They still, however, froth at the mouth over bush’s invasion of Iraq, as they should.

      • Kate8

        Yes it was, Jay. But most people believed the propaganda coming out of the WH.

        The best thing that can happen is for the military to wake up and realize that they are nothing to the elite except cannon fodder, and when they are used up they are thrown away like yesterday’s trash.

        People do not want war. Power-mad psychopaths want war, and they use other people’s children to do their fighting while they watch from the safety of their plush “war rooms”.

        It’s time to stop doing their fighting for them. It’s time to send special ops in to arrest them all, take everything they have away from them, and put them somewhere where they can contemplate their misery and feel what they imposed on humanity.

        Actually, they should drop them in the middle east and let those people bring justice. After all, it was the elite themselves who made Islam into their bogey man.

    • Harry

      Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

      • http://azcowboy756500.wordpress.com azcowboy756500

        AMEN!!!!!!!!

    • Alex Fletcher

      I wonder how many red blooded Americans are they ready to kill to take away our second AMENDMENT RIGHTS , is the number 14 or 140 or 1400 or 14000000 which is it ?

      • Tigerous

        The Alinskyites are reported to have determined that it might be necessary to kill as many as 25 million Americans to get the rest of us in line. But that was about 15 years ago, so the number would probably be higher today. My fear is that they drastically over-estimated what it would take to subjugate the populace. Once more than half of us are on government support, the rest don’t stand a chance. This is the fate of a republic-turned-democracy that Franklin foresaw.

      • mark

        If you scaredy cats are involved, I’d say it’s zero.

      • Average Joe

        Mark,
        A bit of a wake up call for you:

        http://thecentristpoint.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/why-did-the-dhs-just-order-450-million-rounds-of-40-caliber-ammunition/

        http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/16/dhs-order-450-million-rounds-40-caliber-ammunition-97771/

        http://2012patriot.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/dhs-ice-order-450-million-rounds-of-ammo/

        http://www.infowars.com/dhs-and-ice-order-450-million-rounds-of-40-caliber-ammo/

        https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/why-did-the-dhs-just-order-450-million-rounds-of-40-caliber-ammunition/

        If that is not enough links for you:

        http://www.bing.com/search?q=DHS+orders+450+million+rounds+of+.40+ammunition&form=MSNH14&qs=n&sk=&pc=msnHomeST&x=0&y=0

        Now, before you spout off with some ignorant rant, ask yourself a few questions…

        Why does DHS need 450 million rounds of .40 cal and another 175 million rounds of .223 cal. ammunition?
        Do DHS workers train with hollow point ammunition? Or is hollow point ammunition used primarily for killing?
        Is DHS expecting an invasion of foreign troops? Or are they looking to quell disorderly Americans who refuse to bow down and become slaves?
        Do some real soul searching and use that thing on your shoulders for something other than a hat rack. If, you still can’t wrap your mind around the direction that we are headed as a nation, you have my simpathies as you are seriously brain damaged and beyond hope.
        Wake up and smell the coffee, your life depends on it more than you know.

        A quote today for voters everywhere, a point made by Sam Adams in 1776 before helping to throw out a tyrant…

        If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were even our countrymen!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • DaveH

        Surely Joe, you don’t really think that Mark wants to learn anything?
        He’s just here to harass good people seeking Freedom.

      • Karolyn

        Tigerous – “The Alinskyites are reported to have determined that it might be necessary to kill as many as 25 million Americans to get the rest of us in line.”

        May I ask where that tasty tidbit came from?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You’ve got to be freaking kidding. This was a quote from Bill Ayers at a meeting with Obama back when they were still in the trenches planning their takeover.

        This came out when he was still campaigning for the ’08 election. You people really are uninformed. I mean, if your liberal news outlets don’t report it, it doesn’t exist for you.

        Geez, I so wish you people would get a clue.

      • Average Joe

        Here are some links…take your pick and read them…I suggest that you read many links and compare before drawing any conclusions.

        http://www.bing.com/search?q=it+might+be+necessary+to+kill+as+many+as+25+million+Americans+&form=MSNH14&qs=n&sk=&pc=msnHomeST&x=89&y=11

        BTW, it took all of 15 seconds to find those links…USE YOUR BROWSER TO FIND ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS…it is just as easy for you to find out as it is for us to do the work for you. We can point you in the right direction, however,we are not responsible for educating you…that is your job.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Kate8
      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        AJ and Kate8, thanks for the links! Your contributions to the cause is always, greatly appreciated!

      • Karolyn

        In my reading comprehension, it would appear that those remarks happened in 1982 Kate! Obama was nowhere around; and don’t you evefr give any thought to the idea that people change? I’m not the same person I was 30 years ago.

      • Kate8

        Wrong again, Karolyn. Obama WAS around, being groomed to do just what he is doing.

        BTW, that has been uncovered, too, as well as people who testify to the fact that as a young many he proclaimed that he would be president of the United States.

        And no, I don’t think he’s changed. He’s been thoroughly indoctrinated by communists to complete the overthrow of America, and that’s exactly what he’s doin….done.

        Girl, you amaze me at your lack of information.

        Oh, wait…you avoid anything that seems negative. Sorry.

      • JeffH

        Kate8 says “Oh, wait…you avoid anything that seems negative. Sorry.” Unless it comes out of her own mouth…Karolyn’s always been a hypocrit!

      • Kate8

        JeffH – Point taken. Libs can be as nasty as they want, all the while hurling accusations of “hate speech” at any conservative who dares to speak the truth.

      • Average Joe

        Karolyn says:

        “In my reading comprehension, it would appear that those remarks happened in 1982 Kate! Obama was nowhere around;”

        While your reading comprhension seems to be OK, you seem to have problems with time and space.
        You do realize that Barack Obama ( or whoever he happens is this week) was born August 4, 1961 (supposedly) and that in 1982 he would have been 20-21 years old, right? He also (again, supposedly) graduated from Columbia University in 1983, so he most definitely was “around”. Bill Ayers was and is certainly an associate of Barack Obama as well as many other “socialists” within our nation.

        If you have any doubts or questions…Get off your lazy butt…open your browser and look up the information..read it and either learn something new or prove our assertions wrong… also, when you make a statement…make sure you can actually prove what you say…by getting off your Lazy Butt and doing the research… and saving links in your favorites….so that you actually have something other than your opinion to give us….we are done doing the work for you…got it?

        Questions are free
        Questions requiring an answers cost $10
        Questions requiring correct answers will now cost you $100
        No cash? No answers (do your own work)
        Stop being a mindless TWIT

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Kate8

        AJ – :) :) :)

      • Average Joe

        Kate8,

        Wow, 3 smilies! You make me feel special Kate8, Thank you!

        I am just tired of these people who come on here and spout off with absolutely nothing in the way of proof of thier assertions…and then have the audacity to expect us to do the work for them..and when we do, they deny the proof…Let them do thier own work and educate themselves…or remain ignorant…it is thier choice.
        Karolyn has been here for at least 2 years…and evey time…same old story….nothing but her opinion to offer…and…. how do we know that which she doesn’t know? I’m am quite frankly… done babysitting these idiots.
        If they don’t bring facts and proof of “thier facts”, I am simply going to ignore thir ignorance and allow them to remain clueless (Unless they want to pay me for my time, a valuable commodity…. that can’t be replaced).

        Best Wishes,
        AJ
        ;) ;) ;)

      • DaveH

        All you need is Love, AJ.

      • RivahMitch

        Don’t waste your time responding to “Mark”. Casting pearls to swine is never worth the effort. Just lock and load and be ready. Semper Fi!

    • eddie47d

      I can’t wait to read all the “dangerous and absurd” comments from the right . They perfected “extremism” and hold it as dear to their heart as they do their firearms.It’s gotten to the point they can’t even tell the difference in all their irrational thinking. Schumer has nothing on your agenda and in the bigger picture you are both blind to reality. Your arrogance is showing when you mock the using of the word CLIP. Definition: A container to hold ammunition. Get over all your pious bull and come back to earth. J SAYS proves all the insanity that permeate from the right and the constent fear and devious behavioral world you attempt to live in.

      • http://Yahoo.com Bill

        You must really enjoy it since you’re on this web site. Tell me, when are you coming out of the closet and fianally come clean to your friends and family that you are a (gasp) conservative

      • BD Katt

        A “Clip” is the 8 round device the M-1 Garand used.Stripper clips are 10 round devices used to aid the loading of some magazines.Modern mutiple round capable weapons use a “Magazine”,either tubular,cylindrical,box or drum

      • http://rockdog1113dothushmaildotcom.wordpress.com rocquedog

        When it comes to understanding world/political events, it is obvious that this retard aka eddie47d wouldn’t know his azz from a hole in the ground (probably where he came from).

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d ,

        “I can’t wait to read all the “dangerous and absurd” comments from the right .”

        The only absurd and dangerous comments are comming from you and Mark ( burrying your head i the sand is both extremely absurd and extremely dangerous)…please don’t try to tell us that you are from the right, we know better….you are too stupid to be on the right….therefore, you must be on the WRONG.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d,

        Repeat after me “clips are used to hold cartridges together for quick loading, magazines are used to hold cartridges for feeding into the guns’ chamber” .

        Simply put, a magazine is a container in which ammunition is stored, whilst a clip is a small piece of metal which holds rounds in place whilst outside the magazine, and sometimes within the magazine as well.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • JeffH

        eddie, these 3 words best describes you…”stupid is forever”!

      • eddie47d

        Don’t worry AJ and Jeff you all never disappoint and I will never join the forces of the extreme right wing or the extreme left wing. We know Jeff entered that realm a long time ago and as he says “stupid is forever”. Your minds are bent to far to the right and even a good welder wouldn’t be able to straighten you out! Remember those FEMA camps if they truly exist AS YOU SAY were around under Bush and they will be around under Romney(if elected). I personally don’t believe they exist in the capacity that you are trying to prove. So keep crying wolf and drink another cup of paranoia.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        As well as these, JeffH, “lost and clueless”…

      • Karolyn

        The tactics they are using are unbelievable: taking things out of context, using info from 30 years ago, believing every wacko who can put a video on YouTube, etc. The worse the news, the better they like it. I can see then clapping their hands with glee every time Obama commits a faux pas.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – It’s now been widely publicized that everything that comes out of the MSM has to be approved by the WH. So you will never read anything from them which is unflattering to Obama and his comrades.

        How about this:

        http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2012/07/obama-usurpation-is-crime-of-century.html

      • Average Joe

        Once again, eddiot47d gives us uninformed opin…wow, I am so offended…lmao.

        Your silly, ignorant, uninformed rants are not winning any hearts and minds around here…you are simply annoying intelligent, informed people who would like to have intelligent, informed conversations. You are a fly in the ointment..an ant at the picnick.

        If we tell you that you win…will you go home?

        eddiot, don’t go away mad…just go away.

        Best Wishes for a full recovery,
        AJ

      • eddie47d

        I recovered a long time ago AJ when I returned from Vietnam and haven’t been asleep since. Maybe a little tired. That is sick and tired of all the insanity and BS from the left and the right. Some of you can’t crawl out of your little pigeoned holed corners and can’t think outside your rigid political spectrum.

    • midnightdstroyer

      It’s also a well-known fact from often-repeated events in history that ANY government that successfully disarms the populace has no qualms about initiating mass slaughters. We’ve even had at least 2 examples of it in American history; Waco & Ruby Ridge…Look ‘em up.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • r.p.

        How did you overlook the first people? Wounded Knee, the Trail Of Tears, the Hawaiians?

      • eddie47d

        Those don’t count in the “minds” of Conservatives because that would mean they would have to apologize for the exploitation of those people. NEVER HAPPEN!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Further examples: Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, and presently Syria, where massive slaughters have, and are occurring; and all, at the hands of the current Administration, and under the watchful eye of the current potus, who, unbeknown to most, is the leader of the Taliban!

    • TIME

      Dear Dave,

      Oh how right you are!

      Peace and Love

    • Flashy

      OK…

      Here is the deal. Since the early days of the nation, guns have been subjected to rules and regulations. From the early days, people were not allowed to arm themselves and have an appearance which would cause great disturbance on feelings of safety by others. Yes, the crime was a misdemeanor referred to as ‘Frightening’. Today, it may be loosely akin to “Menacing” without the overt threat. The very first SCOTUS opinion concerning the 2nd amendment established the Right is not without limits as to what is covered. it does not cover tanks bazookas etc. The recent assault weapons ban has been upheld and better defines limits that are Constitutional. Lastly, it has long been upheld that mentally disturbed, criminals, and minors may be banned from owning or carrying weapons. We have concealed weapons permits. So the Right is not without limits for location, type, or qualifications for ownership and possession. There is no question on that. The question is at what point does hysteria give way allowing reasonable standards to protect the community.

      The above is not mine. It is from Supreme Court Justice Antonio Scalia in an interview on Fox News I watched last night.

      Go ahead…call him an anti gun liberal.

      • gunny55

        I would have to disagree with your statement about “Assault Weapons “since the definition of such weapons has been systematically bastardized and altered to fit the Anti-Gun agenda. If the purposeful alteration of the proper definition of individual weapons types is allowed with no scrutiny by the population is allowed to continue it will lead to bans on all semi-auto weapons. In the case of firearms if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck analogy doesn’t apply. This has been brought up in the past by firearms scholars and discussed at length but no forward momentum has been made. For some reason that escapes me no one seems to be up to the task to call the Anti-Gun forces or the media on this. Confiscation is a very real threat in our future if we don’t remain united. It happened in England and to the Aussies and Constitution or not a stroke of the pen by some elitist in DC could change our lives overnight. We have seen the willingness of the current Commander and Chief to use the pen to further his agenda without the pesky bother of our nation’s Congressional leader’s votes.

      • CZ52

        “For some reason that escapes me no one seems to be up to the task to call the Anti-Gun forces or the media on this.”

        Gunny they are called on it all the time. The problem is the media will not let it become general knowledge. It only gets distributed among those who know the difference and those they have direct contact with.

        • gunny55

          Yes but they are not as compelling or insistent as they need to be or could be. The NRA as well as the other pro-gun orgs should and could band together. We as members should loudly insist that this take place and soon.

      • Flashy

        Gunny…two comments. One, I am not familiar with President Obama having any anti gun agenda. At all. never. Quite the opposite. Fact is, the only “proof’ ever offered he was anti gun has been because he doesn’t have an anti gun agenda, it’s proof he has one!

        Second…though Art lays the reasoning on me and says i’m BS…fact is, that is Scalia’s view, not mine. One i found very interesting to listen to and digest exactly what he was stating.

        So if y’all want to lambast me for what Scalia is stating…all one can do is shake one’s head. i guess y’all know more about the Constitution and the 2nd than Antonio Scalia, Supreme Court Justice of the United States of America.

        • gunny55

          Flashy, EARLY on after Obama was elected that November I was chatting with some people online and the subject came up. I was advised then that I should go to the official Presidential Whitehouse webpage. The politics of Barack Hussein Obama were there in all their glory for anyone who bothered to look. He had some very particular ideas on the subject of gun control. Almost immediately after his inauguration all reference to gun control disappeared from the website. I saw it with my own two eyes and copied and paste the passages myself. But as fate would have it I have not been able to locate the file. I don’t need to hear anyone’s opinion on this because personally I SAW it firsthand. I wish I could remember the particulars but all I do remember is some references to some legislation he wanted to either extend or enhance and they related directly to gun control. As far as the Supreme Court, they have made bad or incomplete decisions before and I suspect will continue to do so. We have an appeals court that is openly political in all their decisions in California. I don’t lend much credence to the SCOTUS anymore for that very same reason. I would never leave it up to politicians to guard my personal liberties nor should anyone else in this country. That is a mistake. You never heard me lambast anyone. What I did do was make a very important point about what and who is defining weapons types by definition in this country. I would submit that it played a very important role in the SCOTUS decision since they are all political themselves some more than others. I believe they take the temperature of the nation to some degree in making decisions. That is why we need to make sure that things are always defined correctly. Some choose to ignore the details. I make you to be one of those people.Am I wrong? The general public knows only what they are fed by the Idiotcrats and the media. Neither care about accuracy when they are about an agenda. As I respect your right to your own opinion but I do dissagree.

      • Flashy

        Hey ! How does one italicize like that? We can do that here? It was unintended…

      • JeffH

        FALSY says, “Gunny…two comments. One, I am not familiar with President Obama having any anti gun agenda. At all. never.”

        Falsy, this one comment about you will suffice: Stupid is as stupid does.
        ________________________________________

        Obama’s AntiGun Agenda Timeline (1996-2012)
        http://www.northwestfirearms.com/legal-political/97872-obamas-antigun-agenda-timeline-1996-2012-a.html

        “My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns.”
        –Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “The above is not mine. It is from Supreme Court Justice Antonio Scalia in an interview on Fox News I watched last night.
        Go ahead…call him an anti gun liberal”.
        I might, Flashman, if I thought that might really be his words. But then, since you have no credibility, I’ll withhold my criticism of the Justice.
        Perhaps you could post a link?
        If it were true, so what? Big Surprise, a branch of the Federal Government backs their own. The Supreme Court was never meant to be the final arbiter of Constitutionality by our Founders. They just took that authority unilaterally and foolish citizens let them get away with it.
        http://mises.org/daily/4477

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Flashy (or as Opal says Flushy) obama said right after becoming president that the only reason he was not going to seek new more restrictive gun laws was he did not have the votes to assure their passage.

      • eddie47d

        That doesn’t make Obama wrong in desiring some form of weapons control. The nation is evenly divided on that issue and the votes (60% or 2/3rd’s) aren’t there. The majority of Americans support some controls on high caliber weapons,assault weapons and magazines. Few Americans support abolishing the Second Amendment so the support is wide open on both sides. That is why sensible controls and legal ownership should be a part of the ongoing debate.

      • Flashy

        jeffH…the quote you pasted is ficticious. Now why am i not surprised

        http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/obamas-gun-ban/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Obama Pushes Anti-Gun Treaty

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9X2VbhSH9o

      • Joe H

        JeffH,
        We have a super Kmart here that closed down and the building was vacant, not collecting active taxes. well a guy arranged to have a huge gun show there about every couple of months, with other types of shows in between. the building was perfect for those types of venues. All of a sudden the guy announces that he couldn’t have them there any more. I don’t think it was from lack of interest as the place was packed at allof the shows and people were spending money. He hired off duty police to patrol the shows and they went off without any problems. wonder who/what in government caused THAT??? seems like every time they get something people are interested in around here, somebody from the city/county givernment finds something about it they don’t like!

      • JeffH

        Falsy, I’ll admit that I didn’t verify the “quote”, my bad…but, would you care to respond to the link that I posted?

      • JeffH

        Joe H, not surprised at all. By the way, good to see you around, hope all is well on the homefront. :)

      • Buster the Anatolian

        eddie we already have sensable controls. You and Flushy (thx Opal) would add ever more controls until guns were unavailable to the common law abiding citizen.

      • Joe H

        JeffH,
        Things were kinda rough health wise for awhile but better now. Thanks for asking!

      • JeffH

        Joe H, stay strong my friend, you’re absense has been noticed. Good to see ya.

    • Shovelhead

      Take away our guns, How do we protect our families from the outlaws who still has them. Count on our Government to take care of them, right like that will happen. If some one who was carrying was in that theater on that tragic night I really believe there wouldn’t have been so many killed. But if there was no guns for that guy to use, things would have been much worse, bombs would have most likely to kill everyone in both sides. The guns didn’t kill those people it was the (expletive deleted) holding it. If we the people can’t have them then take them away from the people who are carrying guns to protect all government personnel then let all the senators, congressmen, and even the President’s men protect them selves like the rest of would have to do. They are no better than me or you. Stupid is as Stupid does.

    • Kate8

      This just in from Newsmax:

      Dear fellow Patriot,

      Nearly 1 million American firearms.

      Banned by a stroke of Barack Obama’s pen.

      In a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama Administration quietly banned the re-importation of nearly 600,000 American made M1 Carbine rifles.

      And I’ve just discovered Obama may be blocking as many 300,000 1911 Colts too!

      That’s nearly one million pieces of American history denied to the American people.

      ——————————–
      This is not the full article. It just goes on to describe the history of the weapons.

    • eddie47d

      Very Wrong Taino21, although that quote was placed in the National Educator Sarah Brady never said such a thing. Besides the Brady’s were staunch Conservatives who happen to believed guns were a menace thus her anti-gun crusade.

  • revnowwhilewecan

    Speaking of bills. Please let Harry Reid know that we WILL NOT let this go!
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=237605063026555&set=a.217645698355825.47658.196145020505893&type=1&theater

    • revnowwhilewecan

      *Correction* DC OFFICE: 202-224-3542

    • mark

      Harry Reid already beat that nutjob teaparty beaut Susan Angle. You think he is afraid of you certifiable, bedwetting loons crying like babies everyday about the only thing that makes you feel like men, waving guns around like scared, wet-nosed school boys.

      • DaveH

        Wow, you’ve really come out of the Progressive closet, Mark.
        Isn’t it about time for your binky?

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        I hope you poke your dumb head out the door first!

      • Art

        Can’t wait till they come for your A**, then lets see who wet their pants and cries like a little girl. Wha Wha Wha

      • Kate8

        mark – Why would Harry Reid be afraid of anybody? He’s flanked by a group of goons packing heavy heat all the time, and he’s got other goons who know how to rig voting machines.

        Does the fact that he has other people waving guns for him make him somehow above being a wet-nosed crybaby?

        Actually, he’s the lowest of life-forms. He even looks like a worm.

      • eddie47d

        Still swimming in the deep end Kate 8 and find yourself drowning in the fog of conspiracies. Who are these “goons” that guard Reid? Was that voter “fraud” ever proven in Nevada? Little more than an assumption or a Kate 8 grudge she can’t get over. Those 600,000 carbines aren’t some mysterious plot either unless you want to refight the Korean War which is something those on the right always endorse.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Reid is a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying his alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired him
        and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

      • Joe H

        DaveH,
        He’s like a dog that’s all bark n no bite!! just ignore the nuisance!!

  • simian pete

    Schumer is sure one crazy New Yorker. The New Yorkers keep on electing him to office. New York is just a lost state. It’s like a liberal bubble land ! Try reading a newspaper from New York, they don’t make any sense ! For example, get a copy of the “Democrat and Chronicle”, it’s a Rochester NY newspaper (if you dare)… It’s just one frustrating irrational liberal rag. You could read it in the rest room, when it’s illogical nonsense gets you annoyed , use it to wipe your butt ….

    Schumer is just a product of the New York environment. The whole country is subjected to the media garbage coming from NYC, it’s only tolerated as a sort of novelty . Northeasterners, and especially New Yorkers, iq’s have definitely been falling since the early 1960′s ….

    Come on New Yorkers ! Throw this bum out of office !

    Also get rid of the UN … it’s just a waste of money !! Move the UN to another country …. The nerve of those people telling us what to do !!!

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      I could be wrong but you sound like you’re from a red state and if so, you should have more respect for one of the states that is driving the U.S. economy and more than likely carrying the load and paying for the red states that aren’t.

      Or we just may decide to separate from you welfare parasite red states with bad attitudes and no respect and just stop carrying your ungrateful arses.

      • Marlin

        What are you talking about? The red states aren’t the ones going bankrupt, they are the ones proping up the blue states. Oh wait, I now see who you are and I understand. Nevermind, just keep on with your idiotic flaptrap.

      • DaveH

        I respect New York. And I’d like to turn them free to drive their own economy. I have no fear of any losses.

      • DaveH

        That is a laugh riot, Eric:
        http://i.imgur.com/u6uKN.jpg

        Please feel free to separate from us. Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

        • Richard

          Yes u are sure wrong about me dave im an american citizen i love my country but i see a civil war coming people are fed up with this government & the police…..

          • J

            There is a civil war coming! Read Washington’s dream library of congress. I will not let a puppet government destroy what my forefathers fought for… A FREE Country! My ancestor was the first civil war soldier killed! Not the political officer! I am willing to fight to keep my country free from enemies forgien or domestic!

      • MAP

        You are right Marlin. The problems I see in my state are the disastrous outcomes of leftist policies that have been shoved down our throat against our will, just like they are trying to do with the queer marriage fiasco. For them to now complain of the outcome of their imposed policies is the height of absurdity. The view in my state has always been: just leave us alone. But busy-body, dictatorial, Stalin-wannabe leftists are incapable of leaving anyone alone. With their ever expanding disasters, they cry for yet more expanding powers to correct the disaster they created alone. To be separated from such idiots would indeed be freedom. Let them destroy their own state and leave mine alone.

      • http://don'thaveone! H.

        Eric; Would this afternoon be too soon for you to get the job done? You flaky so and so!

      • Paul Wells
      • trashman

        Be careful what you wish for. Red State Texas has its own power grid, 85% pf the nation’s refineries, plenty of port cities, plenty of oil, more natural gas than we know what to do with, thriving economy, a good chunk of the aerospace ndustry and military indstry, etc, etc. So tell me, what does your state bring to the table?

        Remember this: 2012, Time to take out the Trash!

      • Brad

        Eric you piece of crap, don’t threaten us Texans with that or we will let you go like a cheap girlfriend idiot. And I don’t know of many red states pushing more unemployment than those crappy blues startes without a clue.

      • http://Yahoo.com Bill

        Trashman – I’ll tell you what my state brings to the table – wait a minute, I’m from California – I stand corected.

      • TIME

        Dear Eric,

        And when we PROGREES all the way to Hell, just how will that work out again?

        We left Long Island NY and have not looked back.
        It is one of the four most restrictive state’s in this nation.

        To sell our home we had to have “THREE Permits,”
        One to allow extra Parking on our own land,
        One to put up the For Sale sign,
        One to allow for the OPEN House.

        We also had the special pleasue of paying over $70,000.00 per year in tax’s. “”"Now thats Progress at its best.”"

        And guess what; Nassua County is FLAT out Broke! Thats with over 6 Million people paying crazy tax’s on everything.
        My Wife smokes and a pack of Cigs cost her over $12.00.

        One of My friend just sold their home in Millneck where they were paying per year in TAX’s “$162,000.00″ on a home that is 140 years old.
        Yes it – sold for $2.6 Million; or for a loss of 50% of whats its value was just 5 years ago!

        The only people building or staying on Long Island NY are in the circle of the special people from the NWO, or their TOOLS.

        So in a few words, Dude, Please if you have any sway, WILL YOU Please have the state of New York Leave the union.

        I mean afterall the state is Flat out BROKE!
        If not for FEDERAL FUNDS / AKA – MONEY from all the other states New York would be Bankrupt right now! Oh wait it is!

        Now thats what I call PROGRESSIVE! Can I get a plate of pasta too?

        Peace and Love

      • Average Joe

        Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff) ,

        I was looking at the time of your post…isn’t that a bit early to be drunk already?

        Seek professional help….immediately!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • eddie47d

        The same thing could be said about J Say Mr AJ. He started fairly early too! LOL

      • Brad

        Hey Eric,
        I know you need to do your home work before posting so called facts because what I found on CNN blows your red state VS blue state deficits out of the water. Read this http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/02/politics/table.state.budgets/ because when you do the math states with dem governors have 5.5 billion more in state deficits. Do some due diligence before putting your foot in your mouth.

      • Average Joe

        Brad,
        Eric doesn’t put his foot in his mouth…..he simply…. switches feet…..
        It’s an ongoing experiment in foot tasting….. ;)

      • Joe H

        Average Joe,
        i see today that the Illinois governor has introduced legislation to reinact the assault weapon ban in his state again! What a total mindless freak!

      • Average Joe

        Joe H, ,
        That just plain sucks..although quite predictable….Illinois…who woulda thunk?

        Hey eddiot,
        Wow, I am offended….psst…I don’t drink…at all..glad you have such great insight.

        Ok, I’ll let you claim victory…feel better now? What did you win ?

        It is better that you should keep your mouth shut and let us wonder about your ignorance…rather than for you to keep opening it and removing all doubt.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

    • wandamurline

      Got that right….Mayor Bloomberg and Chuck Schumer….they get elected time and time again…you would think that a supposedly intelligent city of 8 million people could use their brains and elect a conservative, but then, there may be no conservatives in New York….maybe that is why businesses with any sense are moving out….either to Texas (where I live) or across the ocean. You get what you deserve when you continue to put idiots into office who want to be dictators.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mstew10034 Mike Stewart

        IT’S NOT THE WORKING NEW YORKERS THAT KEEP BOTH THESE LIBERAL A-HOLES IN, IT’S THE ARTSY COMMUNITY THAT CAN AFFORD PRIVATE SECURITY FOR THEMSELVES AND LET THE REST OF US FEND FOR OURSELVES, REAL NEW YORKERS WILL LET BLOOD RUN IN THE STREETS BEFORE GIVING UP OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS… I CAN’T HELP THINKING WHAT SCHUMER VOTES TO SEND ISRAEL IN GUNS, AMMO, HEAVY WEAPONS, IT’S OK FOR THE JEWS OF ISRAEL TO BE ARMED BUT NOT US.

      • DaveH

        I can’t speak for New York, Wanda, but I have relatives near San Francisco, and I’ve read their so-called Conservative newspapers. They are just a load of Liberal Propaganda. I can’t even imagine what the Liberal newspapers are like there.
        My point is that a large portion of the New York population probably just doesn’t know any better given the Propaganda they’re subjected to.

      • Joe H

        Wandamurline,
        Yeah, good ole bloominidiot!!! heard on the news he isn’t satisfied to just ban sodas over 16 oz!! Now his new target??? Baby formula!!! Wants to FORCE women to breast feed!! Real good idea, except for the ones that don’t produce enough to nourish their child, or the ones whose milk doesn’t contain enough nutraments to sustain their child!! What the heck, whats a few babies, right???

      • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

        Bloomturds just hoping to get some free looks at boobs. He’s just another liberal socialist perv. :-)

    • carrobin

      As a New Yorker, I’m totally behind Schumer. Someone has to stand up and put a stop to the assault weapons that are all over the streets–and especially in New York City, where such guns have killed and wounded kids and innocent bystanders recently. There is no reason for anyone to own an assault weapon, except to kill people. (And if you really want to kill people, go get yourself a knife. Not many kids get killed by wayward knives.)

      • Vicki

        carrobin says:
        “As a New Yorker, I’m totally behind Schumer. Someone has to stand up and put a stop to the assault weapons that are all over the streets–and especially in New York City, where such guns have killed and wounded kids and innocent bystanders recently.”

        The media must be supressing this cause I have yet to see either assault weapons (which firearms are those btw) or any other firearm all over the streets of New York. I have not seen them running around and killing people either.

        carrobin: ‘(And if you really want to kill people, go get yourself a knife. Not many kids get killed by wayward knives.)”

        Your reality must be strange indeed where knives as well as guns get up and move around. In our world humans pickup these inanimate objects and use them to commit crimes and to stop crimes.

      • Art

        What ever you’re smoking or putting on your arm I want some. Wake up and smell the roses Scummer and Obummer will have you in a FEMA camp before you kow whats happening

      • David O’Farrell

        Maybe if the laws already on the books were enforced, instead of the slap on the wrist sentences handed out by liberal judges there would be no need for more laws. The laws only work for people that obey laws. If you don’t obey laws what the hell good are more laws? Can’t you libs think? Just last week on the busy streets of NYC, a woman was stabbed in broard daylight. Then you had a 4 year old shot by some 17 year old drug dealing punk. You have to be 21 to buy a gun, and dealing drugs is against the law also. Maybe if you feel good libs would stop feeling sorry for these lowlifes, stop blaming everyone for their crimes and got tough on them with the death sentences, just maybe NYC would be a little safer. Stop making laws that don’t work on criminals, kill them. You libs will go nuts to stop the death sentence for the guilty, but the innocent unborn, its open season. You libs have no morals, don’t try to pass off your screwed up thinking on us. So screw all you libtards.

      • Average Joe

        David O’Farrell ,

        Well stated, Bravo!

        Best Wishes, AJ

  • steve

    Locked and loaded. Perhaps it’s time.

    • Stephen Fletcher

      When they come to each neaborhood we need a plan in place,we stick together we can hit them from all sides?Every american needs to stand together,It’s simple they let us live ,we let them live ,think about it ,we did not have this problem until obama ,He vis here to tear this country apart he don’t understand us because he’s anti american.

      • DaveH

        No Stephen, we’ve had this problem since Abe Lincoln. It just wasn’t obvious to the uneducated average citizen then. It’s more obvious now because Obama has impatiently implemented the takeover in ways that even the average citizens can recognize.
        There is only one solution. We need to quit electing the Crony Politicians that the Republican Leaders and Democrat Leaders serve up to us.
        Besides, there’s a much more Principled choice than either the Democrats or the Republicans offer. Vote Libertarian!
        For Small Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Individual Liberty, and the PEACE that accompanies those:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • TIME

        Dear Dave,

        You hit that nail dead on the head!

        But lets not forget that the Bush’s are not faultless nor is Clinton nor any of them over the last 150 years, they all gave the OMEN’s of what was coming, they just were more subtle about it.

        Peace and Love

  • arnie

    Gun confiscation is coming. It may be called gun control, but it is confiscation. And we all know what comes after confiscation, don’t we?

    • sbrdude1

      A good debate ender is this, murder is illegal but it still happens so why not give the innocent a fighting chance at survival?. They can have my guns when they kill me but not before I take as many of them with me as possible. I am a Freeman and will live and die as one. Citizen not a subject.

      • http://GoogleChrome Bentheredoneit

        You got that right, Brother. I’m in Afghanistan right now & when I read this crap going on at home it makes the blood boil.

      • DaveH

        Careful what you say, Ben, you don’t want to end up like Pat:
        http://www.infowars.com/articles/military/tillman_new_evidence_indicates_tillman_executed.htm

      • BD Katt

        It’s not murder if you are feeding the”Tree of Liberty”

      • mark

        Bentheredoneit, if you’re in Afghanistan, I’m rootin’ for the Taliban.

      • DaveH

        You’re rude and insensitive, Mark — a typical Progressive.
        Seek help.

      • Joe H

        That’s it mark, keep proving how big an idiot you are!!! I enjoy watching you trip over your obvious lack of IQ!!!

      • Joe H

        beentheredoneit,
        keep your head and assets down n come home safe dude!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Which Taliban, mark, the one in the White-house?

    • mark

      The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave the Obama Adminstration an F for gun control. He has done absolutely zilch on this matter. And he will continue to do nothing on this score. Once again the scare tactics that libertarian scaredy cats and pants-wetters always fall for, continue. For President George W. Bush’s first term, the Assault Gun Ban was in effect and no one said anything about Bush trying to take away their constitutional rights and establish a dictatorship. All of this fear mongering is a complete joke but the NRA is laughing all the way to the bank as the suckers keep mailiing in the checks. Why is it that so many of these people who own all these guns and piles of ammunition are such absolute cowards wetting their beds everytime someone mentions the word, UN or Chuck Schumer for God’s sakes! What a collection of scared-of-their-own-shadows fraidy cats. Even piles of guns and ammo can’t make them into men.

      • DaveH

        This article says differently. Let’s see, who should we believe — lying Progressives?
        http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/FoxNewsObamaAntiGun122811.html

      • DaveH

        Listen to that childish tirade.
        Mark says:
        “libertarian scaredy cats and pants-wetters”.
        “such absolute cowards wetting their beds everytime”.
        “What a collection of scared-of-their-own-shadows fraidy cats”.

        And fear-mongering? That coming from a “Feed Me, Clothe Me, Shelter Me, Waaa, Waaa, Waaa” Progressive?

        And this is a guy who thinks he knows best how to run our lives?

      • John the Libertarian

        because yoyo, just read what he proposes

      • Paul Wells

        Oh, haven’t you heard? All progressive articulate D’s are fit to tell everyone how to live their lives! I mean, come on, their collective IQ must be … uh, what…say 80? Lucky for them they have the nanny state all set up to save their sorry a$$es!

      • Mark

        Begging your pardon “senior idiot”. He most certainly has done something. Simply because its not a public matter doesn’t mean that he didn’t know about operation fast and furious. If you don’t believe he knew about the operation then you are not only a troll but a naive troll. Furthermore he fully intends to sign the UN small arms treaty. Please wake up before you are overcome with stupidity. He is working behind the scenes as to pacify dumb asses like you. I leave you with a final quote:

        “If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
        ― Samuel Adams

      • eddie47d

        You are somewhat correct Mark so should we believe the progressives or the “lying right wingers” To paraphrase Dave H. They forget how much they were hoodwinked by G Bush (Iraq War/Patriot Act) but they like to claim they are always shafted by the Liberals. Their alzheimer’s is creeping in “fast and furious” and seldom like to admit the plots that get concocted on their side. I’m well aware that Fast and Furious is far worse than G Bush’s crazy attempt to gun run but not nearly as serious as the conflicts Bush stirred up in the Middle East and the loss of civil liberties here in America. They claim the sky is falling under Obama yet have forgotten it already fell under the previous administration.

      • Tigerous

        The devil’s best trick is to convince you he doesn’t exist. Of course Oblam-o won’t do anything overt; that would invite realization of his intent to “change” our society to conform with the anti-capitalistic obsession of his degenerate progenitors and cost him the election. He will rely on his surrogates and puppet-masters to do the dirty work. If they succeed, the result will be virtual serfdom for the rest of us as we support the new elites. This is exactly what happened in the Soviet system where the “nomenclatura”, or 800 families, who were the elite lived rich lives while the rest of the populace starved. One result will be the too-late realization by the Occupy-type activists and community organizers that there will be no rooms in the elites’ mansions for their plebeian selves. They will be serfs like the rest of us who object to this perversion of the Founders’ intent.

      • DaveH

        I hadn’t heard of that before, Tigerous. Thank you.
        For others like myself:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura

      • Dallis Miler

        I’m gonna address your childish attempt and failure to illecit a response from the rest on this post. But Mark I for one aren’t afraid,because I know what will happen IF it ever comes to confiscation. You on the other hand being one of the “SHEEPLE” should be.You and your friends are like the the frog who boils to death because the pot your in is heating slowly but surely. I will enjoy seeing the startled look on your faces when you realize what is really happening. You see I don’t have to clutch my “Bible”I can put it on the table because I have the “ability” and the “right” to protect my family my home and property as do most of us.And we are willing to do just that make no mistake. I don’t need some yellowing piece of paper to guarantee me what God already gave me. .Oh yea,Mark don’t mistake being vigilant for being afraid, that would be your first and last mistake.People like the ones you hate so much will make sure you have the right to show your stupidity with post like the ones you have made on here.. Pass that along to your liberal handlers you spoon feed” MORON”.

      • CZ52

        “For President George W. Bush’s first term, the Assault Gun Ban was in effect and no one said anything about Bush trying to take away their constitutional rights and establish a dictatorship.”

        Yes it was in effect because he ingerited it from Clinton. Bush made it clear he would NOT renew or seek its renewal when it expired which is exactly what happened.

      • phideaux

        “…wetting their beds everytime someone mentions the word, UN or Chuck Schumer for God’s sakes!”

        You know, mark must really be into some wierd stuff sexualy for it seems he cannot make a post without talking about peeing the bed or his pants. Either that or he is jealous of us that learned how to control our bladder by the first grade.

      • Art

        Mark you Fu–ing a**hole that about sums it up for me

      • Art

        you sure you’re not flashy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        mark is a liberalis infantius. He is part of a massive group largely represented by students and persons who have yet to enter the work force. A unique group of individuals who generally lack both the experience of real world or any serious fundamental understanding of economics, foreign policy, finance or anything else that matters.

        Emboldened instead by newfound knowledge gleamed from institutions spewing liberal propaganda, this group largely feeds off itself in a fury of prebuscant peer pressure angst. As most parents would attest teenagers are impossible to reason with considering they believe the world is against them and constantly mutter phrases like “You just don’t understand” or “If you were my age…”, which of course is fine when it comes to cleaning one’s room, but not fine when it comes to selecting the next president of the united states.

        Infantius naturally gravitate towards social issues, since never having paid taxes and lacking any kind of real economic knowledge leaves them rationalizing with their hearts or relying on CNN – like gay marriage, abortion and equality. If only they would just espouse their issues in the form of parades and other nuisances instead of the voting booth, America would be a much better place. At least they have a big healthy heart :)
        Examples: 75% of all youth.

    • http://google Hollis Sargent

      arnie, Let’s just hope and pray that there are still enough sane politicians left to save this country! We can no longer rely on a President to save us from the grossly misinformed that are given free reign to destroy the rights we are born into, and have died (or will die) for!

    • mark

      The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave the Obama Adminstration an F for gun control. He has done absolutely zilch on this matter. And he will continue to do nothing on this score. Once again the scare tactics that libertarian scaredy cats and pants-wetters always fall for, continue. For President George W. Bush’s first term, the Assault Gun Ban was in effect and no one said anything about Bush trying to take away their constitutional rights and establish a dictatorship. All of this fear mongering is a complete joke but the NRA is laughing all the way to the bank as the suckers keep mailiing in the checks. Why is it that so many of these people who own all these guns and piles of ammunition are such absolute cowards wetting their beds everytime someone mentions the word, UN or Chuck Schumer, for God’s sakes! What a collection of scared-of-their-own-shadows fraidy cats. Even piles of guns and ammo can’t make them into men.

      • Oneguess

        mark the moron: way to go, raca.

      • Average Joe

        mark ,

        Copying and pasting the same message over and over will not make us believe your drivel anymore than when you posted it the first time…It only shows your lack of intelligence…a one track, one thought kind of guy. Maybe if you repeat it enough, you’ll begin to belive yourself…the rest of us aren’t buying your truckload of fertilizer.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Vicki

        mark repeats the lie so we repeat the truth

        http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/FoxNewsObamaAntiGun122811.html

      • JeffH

        “Obama admits he’s coming for our guns, telling Sarah Brady, ‘We are working on (gun control), but under the radar.’ ”

        How smart is Obama – It’s typically not smart to say you’re doing something “under the radar,” if you’re actually doing something under the radar, and it suggests something of a conspiracy because Sarah Brady is a prominent gun control advocate, having helped create the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence with her husband Jim.

        It’s not a direct quote from Obama, rather it’s Brady recalling to Post reporter Jason Horowitz her meeting with Obama on March 30, 2011, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan.

        Here’s what Horowitz wrote:

        During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

        “I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

        In the meeting, she said, Obama discussed how records get into the system and what can be done about firearms retailers. Her husband specifically brought up the proposed ban on large magazine clips, and she noted that even former Vice President Dick Cheney had suggested that some restrictions on the clips might make sense.

        “He just laughed,” Sarah Brady said approvingly of the president. Both she and her husband, she emphasized, had absolute confidence that the president was committed to regulation.

      • Flashy

        jeffH..I believe your Sarah brady quote is the one shown yesterday to be fake and a fiction. that’s two for two today on posting fictitious quotes.

      • JeffH

        Falsy, no, that’s one for two, this second one is fact…FYI, you believe a lot of things that aren’t true. You, of course, ignored the link that I presented in the first post and failed to address it.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “jeffH..I believe your Sarah brady quote is the one shown yesterday to be fake and a fiction. that’s two for two today on posting fictitious quotes.”

        I notice that you provided a link to show the quotes to be fake. Oh wait. Well we have seen that you know what they are and have used them in the past so no more excuses. Show the cite or accept the loss due to proof by bald assertion.

      • Kate8

        Any time something doesn’t fit with a liberal’s ideological preconceived notions, they simply choose not to believe it. Never mind facts nor overwhelming evidence.

        This proves that they choose to live in a dream world where the illogical seems logical, the irrational seems rational, and if you believe a thing hard enough it will be true.

        Sad. Pathetic. Tragic for our nation.

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      they have to find the guns in order to take them and when they try to do this the will have tipped their hand..therefore we wait,rearm,and destroy the enemy! If they harm any citizen or family,then their families will become the hunted!

  • http://kcjw33.wordpress.com kcjw33

    Now you know why I left NY 34 years ago and never looked back or regretted it.

  • http://Hats392.blogspot.com Chief_Cabioch

    Arnie, whats coming is a Civil war,if these morons don’t stop pushing, we can and will push back, and if they think they are in power till they decide to retire they are fools, Americans are getting sick of the Left, it’s Tactics and it’s agenda, the reason the polls don’t show it is simple, no one want to show their cards, the same reason the recall in Wisconsin was supposed to be a nail biter and it wasn’t….we are sick of being Manipulated and our Votes counted before we pull the lever, Americans cannot and Will NOT stand by as we are being disarmed illegally by little maggots with nothing to do but keep themselves in power, only a State full of Morons keep the Schumers and Lautenbergs in office, between the NRA, and the Tea Party, these morons wont be in office much longer, adding debt, destroying our Military, mindless laws rules and regulation will back fire on the Left, people are beginning to see, this is the last stand for freedom….and it’s going to be the virtual END on Liberal Progressives……

    • natureswayfish@aol.com

      Chief, couldn’t said it better myself. Lock & Load!

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    Come and get them MFS and see what happens.

  • Theodore Gager

    One sure sign of a coward is to put off the fight until he or she can gain an unfair advantage….RIGHT CHUCKY?

    • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

      You mean like, gaining the high ground, attacking from the flanks, outnumbering an enemy, using mines, using bunkers with large caliber machine guns, etc.?

      Don’t mistake wisdom for cowardice. Of course you wait until the most advantageous moment before you strike.

  • Gunnar Wallschlaeger

    Austraili took away guns from citizens in 2001, look and see what happened then;

    Australian Gun Law Update
    Here’s a thought to warm some of your hearts….
    From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
    Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
    figures from Down Under.
    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
    forced by a new law to
    surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
    government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
    more than $500 million dollars.
    The first year results are now in:
    Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.
    (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
    and criminals still possess their guns!)
    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
    decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically
    upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed
    that their prey is unarmed.
    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
    assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
    Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
    safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
    expended in ‘successfully ridding Australian society of guns….’ You
    won’t see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or
    members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
    The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
    hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
    laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
    Take note Americans, before it’s too late!
    Will you be one of the sheeple to turn yours in?
    WHY? You will need it.

    • J

      Sir, my condolences on you civil right to protect yourself and your homes and property. I would say to you sir to fight your government to return your right to protect your family and own weapons of criminal distruction. It’s sad when a law biding citizen has to become a criminal to protect his family. Good on ya mate! Now your country is prime for an invasion from a hostile country or religion!

    • DaveH

      Once you come to the realization that Government is just one Big self-serving gang, everything else they do makes sense.

      • Walt

        DaveH says:

        A good place to start looking, Mark, would be infowars.com.
        Here’s something about FEMA camps:
        http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-fema-camps-confirmed/

        Dave, In the article you referenced, there is a video, showing the “plastic coffins” being stored, which implys that they are being stored by the government for eventual mass burials of U.S. citizens in FEMA detention camps. This is quite a stretch and so laughable.

        Having worked in the deathcare industry (a cemetery)for several years, I know for a fact that these are not coffins; but are instead “grave liners” manufactured by a company in Conyers, Georgia called Vantage Vaults. They are designed structurally to “protect” the actual wooden or metal casket from ground collapse, as heavy equipment, used to dig the graves passes over the graves.

        They manufacture these for use in thousands of cemeteries around the U.S. and ship them by the truckload to cemeteries as part of their in-stock inventory. I don’t have the actual numbers; but, I would guess that tens of thousands of people die each day from accidents, illness or old age and cemeteries require these vaults for burial. Most vaults used are made of concrete and there are many companies that also make these concrete vaults as well.

        So, while some folks might see government’s sinister hand at play here, in the case of all these stacked “plastic coffins”, I only see a well recognized deathcare business practice. Look into it for yourself.

        As to the FEMA camps and the rest of the article, I have no further opinion one way or the other.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Walt if that is in fact a FEMA camp and they are stored there it doesn’t matter if they are vaults, coffin liners, or coffins. Their presence there would indicate the government anticipates a need/use for them as a burial instrument.

      • DaveH

        Walt says — “these are not coffins; but are instead “grave liners””.
        And that proves what, exactly? Their grammar is bad?

      • DaveH

        Walt,
        Are you one of those guys who is naive enough to believe that our Leaders can campaign around the world, killing other countries’ citizens without trials, stripping them of their guns and other rights, but have nothing but respect for us and our rights?

    • eddie47d

      Gunner:Your article didn’t say what the punishment would be if you got caught with a gun. In the USA an extra 18 years can be tacked on if a criminal act is committed. A total gun ban obviously isn’t working yet you don’t have the serious problems (although increasing) that we have. How many massacres do you have a year before and after the gun ban?

    • mark

      Yeah, “Gunner”, but they still have a thriving democracy with free elections, freedom of speech, the press, religion, assembly, and jury trials. So much for that ludicrous bald-face lie that without guns, individual citizens cannot be free

      • DaveH

        One of the fundamental Freedoms of a human being is the right to self-defense.
        If they don’t have that, they don’t have Freedom.
        Now, go change your diapers, Mark.

  • Martin Tousignant

    Ending “Fast and Furious,” along with unaccountable Federal executives, is one form of gun control I would actually support!

    • Average Joe

      Absolutely, I concur!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Rssllgtrby Russell Bennett

    Guns did not cause the killing. The cause was a radical member of the Democrate supported Occupy Wall Street mob. Part of your class warfare plan gone astray.

    • wandamurline

      Absolutely. If guns k i ll people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk and spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat.

  • marvin stegall

    we can not let that happen taking our guns , hell i think it is time for all too be ready to fight, if they take our guns they are going to kill us , is it another civil war at hand , if so let it be on washington dc , only

  • SGT YORK

    Take our guns and we have surrendered to the thugs of the World. Muslims preach Death To America,what better way to dominate us than strip us of our personal protection. Its time to Stand Up Boys count your Guns prepare for the biggest battle for Freedom America has had. The Muslims are preparing for this battle by using foolish American political figures to spout the most Foolish crap ever. STAND UP BOY’s

    • DaveH

      The US Leaders have been meddling in the Middle East politics for at least the last 50 years. If a foreign country was doing that to you, wouldn’t you be just a little pissed?
      http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXsm0qMrnC8bDCjkshC7tu2mvxyA

      • DaveH
      • Sirian

        I agree with you DaveH, BUT, you need to keep in mind that we have been “meddled” with for well over twenty years by the radical Muslims commonly known as the Muslim Brotherhood. It has become much more prevalent now then ever before – WH visits for example. You surely know as to the extent that we have been infiltrated and policies/directives that have been changed by their subversive/internal influence. We have a great deal to not be proud of, without question, but from our mistakes we need to stay ahead of what we have been coercively maneuvered into. The Muslim Brotherhood has been around for a very, very long time and their objective is open as open can be.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Sirian but who started the bullying? The Muslims mostly ignored us until we did harm to them, (Iran 1953 an example) Always look at sequence then cause and effect. The Muslims felt suppressed by their masters and the US government that backed up their suppressors. 9/11 showed us how deadly revenge can be and then we turned around and killed thousands of them. All these acts of vengeance only exacerbated the situation and spread al Qaeda to different parts of the world. Thus greater dangers and the emboldenment of the Muslim Brotherhood. .

      • DaveH

        The thing we need to keep in mind is that the Leaders (the Real side of the Leaders, not their public images) rarely represent their countries’ citizens. Just as Obama’s behavior is not representative of ours.

      • mark

        You are absolutely right DaveH, the U.S. has an abysmal record of foreign interventions (lots by the CIA) and foreign invasions. This is why we are the most hated nation on earth. We maintain over 800 military bases in over 120 countries as part of our global imperialism. This is one area where I agree totally with Ron Paul. It is time for us to make a major cutback from our post World War II agenda of global domination, cut the defense department substantially and pull out of most of these unnecessary and terror-producing bases that turn local populations against us.
        But of course U.S. and other Western corporations control of the global economy provides our nation with low-priced raw materials and import from impoverished underpaid laborers. Taming U.S. and transnational corporate power is another agenda altogher. I don’t see any party including the Libertarians willing to take on this second great power center since it helps enhance U.S. lifestyles to the point where are poorest and unemployed lived better than the workers of the Third World – our servants in the Globalist Corporate Economy

      • DaveH

        Since you have no credibility, Mark, I can only assume that you are trying to undermine my comment.

      • eddie47d

        Actually Mark the number of bases is closer to 1000 and more of them are being opened overseas.We think because of US bases closing that the number should be way down.They are just shuffling the deck!

    • DaveH

      With Sociopaths, Sgt, you can’t just take their word for things. You must learn to read between the lines.
      For example the latest so-called Cybersecurity Bill. Why do they need to be able to control the Internet for so-called National Security? They could make their own systems as robust as they want. They could even establish their own trunk lines to further protect themselves. What do they really want? Probably to be able to cut communications off to Americans if they decide to seize our weapons or some other such blatantly tyrannical effort. You can tell by the persistence of their efforts to control the Internet that they hate that the citizens can communicate so freely now outside the controls of the Propaganda Networks.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        It is said of these sociopaths, that it is not the wealth they crave as much as, “power and control”. They already have all the wealth, that was a no-brainer for them to accomplish. Their “holy grail”? Total and absolute power, and control over the masses!

      • Kate8

        Jay – Was it you that posted the video on Cathy O’brien? The mind-control survivor…

        Wow.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        If memory serves, yes. Also, i meant to post this link, but forgot. Check this out, Kate.

        http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon06.htm

      • Kate8

        Thanks, Jay.

        This stuff really hits home, because this horror and injustice has touched my family.

        Scriptures tell us that the time will come when all that the enemy has taken from us will be restored, and multiplied. I count on it.

        This is what keeps me going.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I admire your faith, Kate8.

  • David

    Ballot box?…Bullet box?, Ballot box?…Bullet box?…Gee, it’s getting hard to decide…
    I keep thinking the Tree of Liberty must be pretty thirsty ’bout now…the corner we are getting pushed into is starting to get a little cramped. I would say it is time to start pushing back!

  • Robert Young

    Contact your Senators immediately and ask them to VOTE NO on the Cyber Security Act of 2012 and all amendments thereto including specifically SA 2575.

    • David

      I did that, two haven’t answered…yet, the third thanked me for my letter about “Fast and Furious”…!

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    You do realize that wealthy people, big businesses and corporations who have BOUGHT and STOLEN your government are the ones who are making all of the laws (through ALEC) and driving the agenda not just in the Federal but in all of the states.

    So while you were/are diligently focused on the fear of losing your guns ( like that’s ever going to happen) you’ve let them take away all of your civil rights and pick all of your pockets unopposed.

    Brilliant

    • DaveH

      You do realize that the Leaders are complicit in those actions, and that without them the Crony Capitalists would be Powerless? You do realize that as Government Grows, Corruption Flows?
      Yet, you Progressives continue to enable that ever-larger Government that is “picking our pockets”.
      Brilliant.

      • Richard

        Yes i agree , but it still fulls in the hands of this government to do the right thing….

      • DaveH

        The right thing would be this:
        “We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose”.
        From the Libertarian Platform.

      • mark

        No, I disagree. Very wealthy capitalists, even the non-crony kind (very few of these exist), still exert disproportionate political influence that undermines our republic. This is why the whole Progressive movement started. In the late 19th century the most powerful men in the country, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Dupont, Vanderbilt, etc. were all unelected but weilded more economic and political influence than the Presidents and Congresses of the day. They bought and sold them like so much candy as they stll do to this day. Gigantic Capitalism is a much graver threat to our republic than Big Government. Big Government is simply the paid servant of Giant Capitalism. You are completely missing the whole root of the problem – not Mom-and-Pop capitalism that is dying out or struggling – but Gigantic, global corporate capitalism that rules the world.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        You are so far off base that it’s downright pitiful.
        The Progressive Movement WAS the Crony Capitalists and their Crony Politicians. They just have the rest of you Progressive Followers fooled.
        You’ve been here long enough to know better, Mark. Without the aid of Government regulations, subsidies, etc., they would be powerless to do anything but please their consumers.
        http://mises.org/daily/1259
        From the article:
        “In recent years, however, historians have come to see that increasing statism on a federal and state level can be better interpreted as a profitable alliance between certain business and industrial interests, looking for government to cartelize their industry after private efforts for cartels and monopoly had failed, and intellectuals, academics, and technocrats seeking jobs to help regulate and plan the economy as well as restriction of entry into their professions. In short, the Progressive Era re-created the age-old alliance between Big Government, large business firms, and opinion-molding intellectuals—an alliance that had most recently been embodied in the mercantilist system of the sixteenth through eighteenth centuries”.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Eric says: You do realize that wealthy people, big businesses and corporations who have BOUGHT and STOLEN your government are the ones who are making all of the laws (through ALEC) and driving the agenda not just in the Federal but in all of the states.

        Now that, Eric, is a true statement. Which means, that Obama is their complicit-obedient-puppet. I can’t believe i’m saying this, but Eric is correct for once.

      • DaveH

        No, Eric is incorrect. The Crony Capitalists couldn’t do anything without the Politicians they back. And it’s the ignorant voters like Eric who let the Crony Capitalists tell them who to elect.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        DaveH, i think that was implied, for you cannot buy someone who cannot be bought.

    • Howard

      I don’t think you can make a case for the rich and corporations being the ones who want to take our guns. What would they gain from that? The answer is NOTHING. Certainly the IRA and others do make a profit from preaching the scare tactics, but they also keep you on your toes by doing so. Without their constant reminders, we as a nation, would relax and let the criminals who already control much of our lives, completely take over. Power and money are what drives the lawyers who have usurped our government, and that power can be increased by taking away our only way of defending ourselves.

      • Vicki

        Even if the rich and or corporations wanted to they can’t take the guns without the power of government. Hence the focus in the Constitution to limit the powers of GOVERNMENT so that the people can remain free.

    • Alan

      Agreed! I’ve been studying a lot about ALEC recently and I see now how they are disseminating information out through the State legislature. It is all coming into view and getting sharper by the day!

      • Vicki

        And all flows thru corrupt government. How interesting. Government is the focal point of all that control so government is what we must work on to restore liberty and defeat them.

        Soap box
        Ballot box
        Jury box
        Ammo box

        Use wisely and in the proper order.

  • Charles Calhoun

    Chuck Shumer has a carry permit in NYC. Bet the law would not apply to Congress.

    • DaveH

      Politicians usually do exempt themselves from the Freedom-Robbing rules that they saddle the rest of us with.

  • Charlie Tall

    Despite a century of failure associated with the Sullivan Act – New York’s idiotic gun ban law – these politicians continue to push for more restrictive gun laws.

    Sound statistical analyses have shown that gun ownership by law-abiding citizens is an effective anti-crime measure. Of course, these politicians are not interested in the truth.

    The so-called Assault Weapons ban under Clinton, which had a sunset date, could not be defended statistically. Violent crime, particularly gun crime, actually increased during the ten-year period that the ban was in effect. The ban was therefore not extended.

    Yet here is Schumer, who obviously knows better than reality, once again trying to impose a ban and waste taxpayer money enforcing it while giving the appearance of doing something positive about crime; the facts show that he is really increasing violent crime by disarming the non-criminals.

    But, as I stated above, Schumer doesn’t really care for the truth. He’s more interested in perpetuating his easy job in Congress, the worm.

  • T. Jefferson

    I like this guy.

  • Mark

    It’s too bad that the representatives of this one state seem to demand that the entire country adhere to the multitude of ridiculous laws and rules implemented there just for the drones who keep re electing these arrogant self serving a-holes!

  • malcolm7173

    We must not let this happen. Screw the Cyber Security Act of 2012 and all amendments thereto including specifically SA 2575. Call everyone in Washington, DC and tell them what going to happen if SA 2575 passes. We need to hold everyone that vote for this by name responsible.

  • Richard

    America weak up cant u see whats going on. who is the federal government or congress to tell us what we can do the nerve of this government, its time to rise up & bar arms lock & loaded….we are living in a police state every day congress pass laws to control us look around & u will see that what i say is true,its time to rise & fight back my brothers & sisters…..

  • terry

    I will die on my feet rather than live on my knees. What better way to honor our great country than by giving your life defending it against the foul, filth that are subverting it. A far worse enamey than Hitler ever was

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      right on brother!!

  • Bill OPKS

    Why did the Republican congress let this pass? They knew it was attached, where were they?

    • DaveH

      Most of the Republicans are Progressives. They want Power as much as the Democrat Leaders do. Their agenda is slightly different, but they serve many of the same Crony Capitalists.

    • CZ52

      I do not think it has actually passed the Senate yet. It is out of commitee and ready to be brought up in the Senate proper. Hopefully some responsible Senators will filibuster it when it comes to the floor.

  • David O’Farrell

    All gun control laws are unconstitutional. 2nd Amendment:
    ” the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be INFRINGED ”
    The Merriam-Webster Dictionary – infringed = 2 Encroach, Trepass
    encroach = to enter gradually or stealthily upon another’s property or rights.

    To all for gun control senators and congressmen who voted yes to any form of gun control, you have broken your oath of office to uphold the Constitution, you are traitors of the United States. I say you are enemies of the state.
    Where are the lawyers on this? There must be a least one honest American lawyer to help fight.

    • Mark

      Well…….. There was one honest lawyer once. But he died “mysteriously” in a car accident. Oddly, his hands were found tied behind his back in the car. Must have been a suicided.

    • nc

      DAVID!The honest and smart lawyers know there is no bill our there that will take away ALL OF YOU GUNS! No one in Democrat leadership is advocating taking away ALL of your guns! It is the PAID FOR political agenda of Ben Crytal and Mr. Livingston to drive this paranoia of gun confiscation by the government and they are doing a da**ed good job of keeping the gun nuts stirred up here! Hopefully, cooler clearer minds will prevail!!

      • DaveH

        The honest and smart readers, NC, know that your rants are irrelevant.

      • DaveH

        Rating the Senators:
        http://gunowners.org/112thsrat.htm

        Where do your Senators stand, Folks?

      • DaveH

        Rating the Representatives:
        http://gunowners.org/112hrat.htm

      • David O’Farrell

        @NC bill or no bill to take all guns? My post was about gun control laws. The laws are unconstitutional. Gun nuts? No I’m afraid you have no idea about America or the Constitution and believe your on here paid by Soros to try and brainwash us into the commie way of thinking. I’ve lived a long time and know what America is now. Call me a gun nut if you like, thats your right, but I also have the right to you you a commie.

      • eddie47d

        Who does the rating of those gun polls Dave H. Generally the NRA who have more power than some elected Representatives or Senators. The fear for most politicians in not voting the NRA way is very telling. That is why you hear crickets from most politicians on gun issues. The NRA can be like Vinnie the enforcer: if you don’t vote my way we will break your legs come election time.

      • DaveH

        Duh, Eddie, could it be the Gunowners of America?
        Obviously you didn’t follow the links.

      • Brad

        NC if you give you liberals an inch you will take a mile. Don’t give into these greedy bastrards they will have it all before you can ask how long an inch is.

      • phideaux

        As you know DaveH that is typical eddie. Jumping in without any idea of what he is commenting on and usualy with no coherent comment to make.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, eddie’s an oxymoron…he’s a follower(baaahhhh, baaahhh) yet he can’t follow the links…his is forever!

      • CZ52

        eddie you show your ignorance once again. The NRA would have little or no power if they were not supported by a huge number of Americans.

  • jon roberts

    bring it on chucky, you are not getting mine,and i promise you that !

  • http://www.facebook.com/walter.bliss Walter Bliss

    What would have happened in Colorado if there had been 5 to 10 licensed trained and law abiding citizens packing concealed weapons. Would so many theater goers have been killed or wounded? I think not. Well the argument I hear then is what if some of those law abiding citizens goes crazy too. Well you can make that same argument about our thinly spread police. Should we take all their guns away too? What do you think would happen to the crime rate then? Keep in mind these are licensed trained law abiding citizens who have taken on a heavy responsibility to be trained and to be known by the government as someone who is armed. Consider them as deputies. They have a much better chance of being there at the time of need than the police officer. Remember that during the LA riots whole neighborhoods were protected by law abiding citizens who put up road blocks and patrolled the neighborhood. I thank God for these people who are willing to step up to the plate to maintain law and order when needed.

  • Mark

    Where in the world????? Did you get that our magazines are “grandfathered” in????
    I am writing the amendment to the Bill (the title) verbatim, it says: PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
    It says “possession” right there in the title!!!! Snap out of it!!!!
    Furthermore I am tired of these people being called “liberals”. They are not liberals. Lets all start calling them what they really are. AUTHORITARIANS

  • J.J.

    DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT US SOLDIERS WOULD KILL AMERICIANS?
    IF NOT, WHERE IS THE FIGHT?

    • J

      yes, these soldiers are trained, indoctinated and filled with hate for civilians. There are soldiers who will not and many have left the military because of what was going on against the civilians. But there are some who they have specifically chosen to kill, mame and take our guns and take us into custody. Do you know that Obama signed a policy where they can incarcerate a civilian without cause, without due process and without a laywer and that civilian has no right to contact anyone, period! Currently there are 70 such american citizens incarcerated north yellowstone in a “fema” camp, taken from other countries and place in U.S. custody under the gueis of “speaking in an unknown language” NOT ME BROTHER!

    • DaveH

      JJ,
      They will just bring in foreign soldiers who could care less about us and will just follow orders. It’s an age old tactic.
      Soldiers are generally trained to follow orders. It takes special people to know when those orders are bogus and not follow them.

      • 45caliber

        The US is the only country I know of that doesn’t give detailed orders and expects their soldiers to immediately obey them regardless of whether the orders make sence or not. Remember “the Charge of the Light Brigade”? It was supposed to be an ode to the bravery of those soldiers. I saw it as an ode to their stupidity. But they obeyed it. The US gives objectives to our soldiers and lets the soldiers solve the problem. During WWII the biggest “battle” was in England when the English wanted a British over-all commander. The American troops, whose fathers had fought under General DeGaul in France in WWI, knew that the British would expect them to obey even orders that would get them killed and refused to serve under a foreign commander. So Eisenhower was picked. Our government wants the American military to act the same as foreign militaries due so they will obey when given an order to shoot and imprison Americans. They are working on it but just haven’t gotten it as far along as they would like yet.

    • Ted Crawford

      Yes JJ, sadly some would, but they have no need to call on American service personnel, Obama sign EO-13524 just days after taking office. If I read that correctly, that gives him overall command of all NATO Forces on American soil, that’s about 250,000 and rising fast !

      • J

        how many gun owners do we have in the US? Millions, I think they are out numbered! Technology only goes so far! We need to wake up the young people cause boy are they listening to the wrong side!

        • J.J.

          AND WHERE WILL OUR ARMY BE
          THE ANSWER IS:
          RIGHT NEXT TO US,, HELPING!

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      After seeing what happened after Katrina? I am convinced our military and police will be just like the military and police in every other country that fell to totalitarianism…
      The Untold Story of What Happened After Hurricane Katrina
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

      • Vicki

        And don’t forget this story from the same disaster. Some of the troops even said it was uncomfortable to do but they did it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfp7qBAgGM

      • DaveH

        Evil incarnate.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Vicky, it makes one question why the soldiers felt uncomfortable. Was it because they were put in a position where potentially they could murder American citizens, or because they lacked the intestinal fortitude to disobey orders given to them by obvious sociopaths?

  • rocquedog

    I’d say that it’s long past time that someone should get a rope and pay the worthless POS Schumer a visit in the middle of the night.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Naaa…a knitting needle with “assault knitting needle” engraved on the end.

      • 45caliber

        Then all the grannies would be mad at you since the government would ban all knitting needles as being “assault weapons”.

  • Ted

    It does no good for us in Illinois to contact our Reps,this State does not want you to protect yourself.as soon as you do your the one going to Jail,we have a Gov who licks Obamas boots.

  • Mark

    People. Lets do all we can do nonviolently first. I called and emailed my Senators, please do this and email this to everyone in your contacts list, here is the contact information for everyones Senators. Please don’t be shy or nervous, but respectfully urge your Senator to vote NO on this bill:

    http://WWW.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

    • http://google bill

      Having read the federalist papers and numerous commentary archived from our founders, it is an absolute that (they) fully intended for the citizenry to have all means to protect themselves from their own (our) government. They rebeled against their government and, in doing so, employed all available armaments. Numerous of the founders warned that governments always reach a point in time when they become opressive. Where are we now?????? Should the sad day ever arrive when we must find ourselves in civil disagreement with our government, we will have only small arms. It does appear that anti-gun activists among our elected fear even this lopsided reality.

      Would the organization obtain an appearance with Bill O’Reilly to straighten out his obvious ignorance and aberrant attitude regarding standing firearms regulations. Explain to the buffoon that AK’s and AR’s are LIGHT weaponry. Refuse to allow him to shout you down!!

    • mark

      This bill will never even come up for a vote. Neither will the U.S. Small Arms treaty. Just shows how much people on this site know about character of the U.S. Senate. It will pass zero guns legislation just as it has for the past 20 years. Newsflash: Haven’t you guys heard this yet. The NRA has won on gun control. We will have 25,000 gun deaths in this country every year in the future into infinity. Versus 5 gun death in Japan and 65 in the U.K. This is the American Way: Live free – and die. If not at a convenience store or a movie store in some mindless unwinnable war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, take your pick – and plenty more are coming. There is nothing shocking or unusual about the Aurora masacre.
      These kinds of events occur two or three times a year in the United States. Every year. Remember the Arizona massacre, Virginia Tech, all the school shootings by kids, the multiple-victim homicides in ghettos and rural homes. This is the American Way. We are the world’s leading arms producers and sellers, the world’s greatest producers of pornograpy, the world’s most frequent overseas invaders, the world’s highest prison population per capita and most violent, death-dealing nation on earth per capita among all the leading industrial nations. The United States is Number One alright. In all the above categories. Oh, I almost forgot we are also the most religious among the leading industrial countries. And we like to preach to everyone about our moral values – mass murder, porn, selling trillions in arms to the world and invading countries left and right as we talk constantly of peace. Number one in hypocrisy, too that’s for sure

      • 45caliber

        mark:

        New News Flash:

        Japan has more gun deaths per population than the US does. They are called suicides there and aren’t listed as murders. The data you are trying to quote includes ALL gun deaths in the US, including suicides, criminals shot by cops, accidents, etc. as murders. Russia is No. 1 in the world in gun deaths, and Japan is No. 2.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Number of deaths related to firearms approx: 25,000 to 30,000.

        Break down:

        Approximately 16,000 suicides using a firearm.

        Approximately 12,252 murders by firearms 80% of which are caused by felons/career criminals/gang member activities. USDOJ National Gang Threat Assessment annual report 2009.

        Approximately 600 justifiable defensive shootings by both police and citizens.

        The remainder in accidental firearms discharges.

        Oooooo… mark, it appears we have an epidemic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    Start educating your Sheriffs and get them to form county posses with everyone deputized. Can you imagine a county of 100,000 people and 50,000 are deputized posse members? All carrying exposed or concealed without a permit because they are deputized members of the sheriff posse? And then the feds try to disarm them? Here is one way to get your sheriff’s educated. Send them to a seminar with the http://www.cspoa.org/ Constitutional Sheriff’s Peace Officer Association seminar. I’m working on sending a guy who is running for sheriff to it. He has his plane tickets, motel room and seminar costs paid for and has said he is excited to go. We the people FIRST, the Counties SECOND, the State THIRD and the feds can go to hell. Now I think I’ll go buy some 100 round magazines.

    • http://rockdog1113dothushmaildotcom.wordpress.com rocquedog
    • 45caliber

      Mark Are:

      Don’t bother with the 100 round magazines. First, they are too expensive. Second, they jam too easily. Stick with the tried and true 20 or 30 round magazines. You can buy a lot of them for the same cost and it only takes a couple of seconds to change them. It takes far longer to change the 100 round ones due to weight and size distribution.

      • phideaux

        If I had an AR I would probably purchase a 100 round magazine just because Schumer wants them banned. I would than purchase a number of the stick magazines to actually use.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Phideaux there are also guys out there that watch porno just because it might be banned and kids who smoke just because their parents told them not to. LOL

      • Opal the Gem

        And which are you eddie? Oh I know you are in both catagories.

      • 45caliber

        eddie!

        I’m amazed! For once, you are right!

  • sabulaman

    Ted, get rid of Durbin. Thx.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    It is interesting, the idae of treaty law superceding Constitutional law came into play was because of Duck hunting. Without going into detail, a treaty was signed by the government to protect migrating birds, ducks, because of duck hunting laws the various state had. This was ignored like a little bit of cancer by the general public. Thomas Jefferson said: If treaty law is recognized law in America, why did we bother writing the Constitution? When people are sworn in to various offices, don’t they swear to uphold the Constitution, or is it treaties? When it comes to the 2nd Amendment, Thomas Jefferson spelled it out. The people have the 2nd Amendment as their last resort against a tyrannical government. He should know. Didn’t they just overthrow their tyrannical government? Chucky Schumer and his ilk lie will being sworn into office. To them the Constitution is an obstacle to their agenda, along with the 2nd Amendment. READ your Declaration of Independence. The times have changed but the circumstances are the same. I should add this. The 2nd Amendment can only apply to a moral people, in government and the general public.

    • mark

      Yeah and then that hypocrite Jefferson, the great freedom-lover and slave-owner, signed the Louisiana Purchase treaty and violated his own precious Constitution. Old strict-constructionist Tommy Boy had no problem with that end-around the Constitution.

      • Vicki

        The Louisiana Purchase treaty made no law. It was a simple Real Estate purchase contract between the US and France.

        Nice try to smear the actual purpose of treaties mark.

      • 45caliber

        mark:

        Odd. I don’t remember it every being called the Louisiana Purchase “treaty”. I remember it being only a purchase.

      • MAP

        Actually, the purchase of La. was an overstepping of Jefferson’s constitutional authority. Those with an axe to grind have made more of it than did the people of the time. Most all transport at the time was via water, rivers and canals. New Orleans was the gem, because it was the mouth of the Mississippi. For the future of the country, it was a great investment. The Mississippi and the use of it had been a great contention since the founding. Jefferson had wanted to create an amendment to make the purchase legal, but never got around to it. Mostly today you only hear about it from American haters on the left, like Mark.

      • DaveH

        Mark, you ignorant dweeb, Thomas Jefferson wasn’t the only one to have slaves in those days. It was an accepted thing to do, and Thomas treated his slaves well, unlike some other slaveholders.

        http://mises.org/daily/3161
        From the article — “Right-wing statists like Gordon, like left-wing statists, have adopted the custom of smearing Jefferson as a slave owner not so much because they are appalled that he owned slaves, but because their objective is to denigrate his laissez-faire/limited-government political philosophy”.

        And Mark, you haven’t answered my question. If you are against Slavery, then why do you advocate enslaving your fellow man through Big Government?

      • DaveH
      • Vicki

        Map writes:
        “Actually, the purchase of La. was an overstepping of Jefferson’s constitutional authority.”

        I don’t see why. Jefferson was concerned that buying land may not be a power authorized to the federal government by the constitution. And rightly so because Jefferson, being much smarter than current politicians, knew full well that the Constitution was an explicit set of powers delegated to the federal government. None of the enumerated powers said that the federal government could buy land let alone buy it from other countries. Wouldn’t it be nice to have current politicians be as frugal with our money.

        The purchase was eventually done by treaty as that seemed to resolve the problem of Constitutional Authority. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Louisiana+Purchase

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        DaveH says: And Mark, you haven’t answered my question. If you are against Slavery, then why do you advocate enslaving your fellow man through Big Government?

        Because mark approves of slavery.

  • XJumper

    I have read every comment posted by the readers of this article. One thing is painfully obvious, we are in a struggle for our very existence. We must not and cannot let ourselves be disarmed under any circumstances. Our founding fathers new full well what a tyrannical government is capable of doing to its people. Hence they gave us a way to protect ourselves with the 2nd ammendment. Idiots such as Chuck Schummer and his ilk could care less about our constitution. Keep the faith, be strong and keep your powder dry. I really think a showdown is coming,and coming fast. Be safe everyone

    • mark

      No showdwon is coming except in your paranoid mind. No dictatorship is coming either. Just another election and more cheeseburgers and fries.

      • XJumper

        Mark, I hope your right about the showdown not coming. As far as my being paranoid, perhaps a little paranoia is a good thing. I guess time will tell which one of us is correct

      • 45caliber

        mark:

        Haven’t you ever heard? You aren’t paranoid if someone REALLY IS out to get you!

      • CZ52

        And its companion phrase 45: Just because you are paranoin it doesn’t mean they are not out to get you.

    • 45caliber

      X:

      What it comes down to is:

      Do you get ready for something you hope never comes? Or do you stick your head in the sand and refuse to admit it might come until it shows up – and you are left helpless?

    • Vicki

      XJumper writes:
      ” Hence they gave us a way to protect ourselves with the 2nd ammendment.”

      Our forefathers knew the importance of our God given RIGHT to self defense and knew that government would one day try and take the best tools for the job away from the people. So they included the 2nd in the enumerated list of LIMITS on the powers that we, the people could delegate to our government(s).

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Good post, XJumper, and so very true!

  • Liz mann

    All I can say is.. my powder is dry and I’m keeping it that way. Do they want a revolution?

    • 45caliber

      I seriously think they do. After all, they can then have an excuse to detonate an ariel nuke to shut down all transportation and energy. That will cause millions to starve or kill each other. They will be safe in their government-built bunkers and can come out after the violence has ended to take control of the world.

  • Dean Barftlett

    The is not news and it is not a fantasy though parts of the responses are pushing the limits of credibility. Every socialist/communist, dictatorship of any stripe in history is littered with the bodies of millions of people not deemed to have any value to the revolution and thousands upon thousands more are reduced to slavery or serfdom.
    all you left wing progressives please tell me why you think you are so special that you will not end up as part of that statistic here. To the rest of us pray to GOD often that this shall not come to pass and prepare you soul see you at the wall. PS while you progressives are at it show me ONE EXAMPLE that what I have written is not true.

    • 45caliber

      Dean:

      I agree. Further, it always amuses me when I think of what WILL happen (not “might happen”) once they get what they think they want. The only people sitting at home and drawing a government check in Russia or China are those who worked hard all their lives and are now old and feeble. And even those may be cut off at any time. All those who support such a government in our own country will be the first to find themselves assigned a job they don’t want to do and forced to do it – or find themselves shipped to a new “Siberia” somewhere. I understand that the government has a FEMA site somewhere in Alaska that will take at least a million people … and since they can’t feed that many people there, they want to encourage all residents sent there to grown their own food for the year in a 10 x 10 patch.

  • joeshmoe

    i hope you all realize these gun laws are just a distraction to seperate the country, just like gay rights and abortion, they are blinding us from the fact that there are a few extremely rich using us and our government to turn a profit. I will admit that the democrats are all trying to screw us as long as you can admit the republicans are trying to do the same

    • 45caliber

      Both sides are trying to do it. Most politicians in Washington (and many elsewhere) are on the same side – their own.

  • Raymond Carl Hardie

    Once again Personal Liberty has put forth an article which provokes the action of thought among the readers. I would caution those who reply, to give information with honest facts to substantiate any alleged acts of the government in their current state of demagoguery and unconstitutional bias. I would also counsel that for today we can still be thankful that we have some vestige of our liberties and we can if we the people so desire, use them in hope of regaining what has been lost. The crushing weight of all the federal intrusion and circumvention of our Bill-Of-Rights and the articles of the Constitution have now even alienated many of the citizens who once championed the so called liberal agendas which now infringe upon them in ways they did not contemplate or imagine when they rushed to impose change they thought would be beneficial and the reality of which is far removed from what was their expectation. The drive for socialism and the reality of what it has taken from every one except a few elite, has created a great anger from most of those who voted for this. Listen to what people are saying in the public areas of commerce and trade, I have heard more dissent from previous supporters of this liberal socialist agenda and now experience has proven what many tried to tell them would happen if such political agendas were to be implemented. While we have this opportunity today for engaging our government it is worth remembering a few words from our Declaration of Independence, ” Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing in variably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism; it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. ” I personally do not think we have reached this point yet, and I am still hopeful that we the people can through freedom of speech and the press stir the hearts our countrymen and change this course we are on, and with a heartfelt cry of repentance to almighty God, and then with His favor, we will surly prevail.

  • 45caliber

    One thing I always think amusing is that ALL anti-gun people in Washington (and most elsewhere) go armed. They may insist that they don’t but … like Ted Kennedy … if you have to have a dozen armed body guards when you go to the bathroom, you are armed. And if they are honest with you (and a few are) they will all admit that when guns are taken away from you, that they will retain their own. They NEED them to protect themselves! You don’t! And you are the criminal they fear anyway since as long as you are armed, you won’t let them do what they wish!

  • Earl Edwards

    When the mohel(pronounced moil) circumcised Schumer, he threw away the only good part of Chucky.

  • gunny55

    Since there are so many with the name Mark on this blog I will clarify to whom my response was directed. It is the “MARK” who uses all lower case letters “mark”.

  • Harry

    Any politician that swore an oath and does an about face by not upholding that oath, should not be debated as to whether or when they be removed from office, but that these proceedings begin immediately. The most basic fundamental part of our Constitution is not to change it, but to build on it or leave it alone. Shummer, Polosi, Reid, Boehner, and those of the same ilk haven’t served the people in many years of service. That is why our founders knew to limit terms, keep pay for the three branches low, and to make sure politics were not to be a career but to be an office of higher calling to represent the people and not not meant for enrichment of their own pocketbooks. That was to be done upon their returning from government service to their previous held careers. This sad state is also why we continue to see past political dinosaurs like Clinton, Cheney, Bush (1 and 2), Carter, never going away. Americans don’t understand the health of the country changed when these people were allowed to make careers out of politics and not work a real job. (And I don’t mean a lobbying career for the two failed political parties or the tax friendly giant corporations the office holders came from)

  • swampfox

    for excellent fletchett loads load a 3″ high brass 12 ga casing with brad nails,just hammer the ends flat and shape them into flights,those little buggers will at 100′ put the pain on the goons!
    I have 32.00 rollers in cofederate money,just may become legal tender again:)

  • angelwannabe
    • Vicki

      Nice but who is enforcing it?

      • angelwannabe

        Vicki, Practically Nothing is being enforced is it, except the globalist agenda!__No one ever knows too much, knowledge is knowledge, no matter how small, it eventually adds up!

  • gunny55

    “I WOULD RATHER DIE BY THE SWORD THAN WIMPERING IN THE FETAL POSITION”

    gunny55

    • 45caliber

      gunny:

      Agreed! Oliver Stone once said that it was better to live as a slave than die trying to defend this country. I disagree. He’s never seen how slaves are treated.

  • gunny55

    The recent and upcoming move to TRY and ban magazines by the Idiotcrat elite in the DC shouldn’t surprise anyone. This is a well thought out ploy to gauge the temperment of the population as a whole to find out if they can go to what ever exteme they can think of. Lautenberg,Schumer Boxer, Fienstien are the deignated hitters for the Idiotcrats in DC.
    Bloomberg is at it right now. They are always there to take one for the team. It’s expected. Vigilance is OUR best weapon until they escalate the war on our Constitution.Then we must gauge our response.

    • 45caliber

      gunny:

      The main reason these people have been selected to spearhead this proposal is that they believe that their position is secure regardless of how the proposal goes over. They might lose a few votes but not enough to keep them from being reelected.

      • gunny55

        Yes that too.

  • Peter Schlesiona

    Sorry, Ben – but your “authors note” re: clips vs magazines is only half-correct. In Vietnam, the word “clips” was used 90% or more of the time among us grunts. Today, at least among the Viet vets I know, we do tend to use “magazines” more often, but the words are interchangeable and the use of “clips” does NOT suggest a Shumer-level intelligence regarding weapons.

    • Joe H

      Peter,
      I was in RVN and even in the states, on the firing range, it was lock and load one twenty round MAGAZINE!

  • 45caliber

    Effectively, a “clip” is inserted into a weapon and is flush with the bottom of it. A “magazine” extends past the end of the weapon. Therefore an M-16 used magazines and a .45 semi used a clip. But no one uses those terms that way any more.

    • gunny55

      Yet another example of terms being altered and misused.

  • JeffH

    Contact your senator thru the FREE GOA action center.
    http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=61611571

    TAKE ACTION: Contact your Senators. Demand that they vote against the Lautenberg-Schumer magazine-ban amendment to the cybersecurity bill.

    • DaveH

      Demand that they vote against the whole Cybersecurity Bill. They need to leave their mealy hands off our Internet.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – Did you see my post above where Obama has issued an EO banning certain firearms?

        I say he can kick rocks. The Constitution does not allow him to ban guns, and he can issue 1000 more EOs and and sign 1000 treaties and he still does not have the authority to ban guns.

        THE ONLY PERMIT NEEDED IS THE 2ND AMENDMENT.

      • Vicki

        Though I fully agree that we don’t need permits to carry guns, concealed or open, when you are arrested for carrying (concealed or otherwise) you will need a bit of financial help to survive to get your case before SCOTUS.

    • Yerallcrazy..

      The (expletive deleted) are all on vacation. They won’t even read their emails…

  • Farris Winterbottom

    They took the guns away in England and violent crime went down. That is a statistical fact. No one is invading England. Gun control means keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals. That will never happen in the U.S. as long as anyone can buy without a check at gun shows. I have lived in countries where everyone has a gun. They are called 3rd world countries. And that is what we are quickly becoming. Rational, intelligent people don’t walk around with guns. Only paranoid, delusional and very dangerous cowards need to be armed all the time. Now gun registration is a different story. Do you want the gov. knowing every detail of your life? Including your guns? Well they do know everything. Because of the right wing rush to take away our freedoms with the patriot act. Gun rights are being manipulated to include our liberties. Your tv provider knows every show you watch. Big brother knows the rest. Forget about gun laws and arm yourself in secret now! Within ten years we will all be controlled by a police force that can and will kill anyone who resists. Owning guns will not give you an edge. They will take you out with a sniper stationed a mile away. That is the legacy our republicans have left us.
    Farris

    • Peter Schlesiona

      Don’t know where you’re getting your statistics from but – in 2006, writing in the British Journal of Criminology, Dr Jeanine Baker and Dr Samara McPhedran found no measurable effect detectable from the 1997 firearms legislation with ARIMA statistical analysis [9] instead the opposite happened, gun crime went up. And here’s a link to an article in The Telegraph (London) regarding gun-related crime. Suince legal ownership has been severely curtailed in the UK, all or most of this must have to do with illegal weapons:
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576406/28-gun-crimes-committed-in-UK-every-day.html
      In 1997, the Australian Institute of Criminology issued a paper on gun-related deaths that came to 3 conclusions:
      (1) there is no evidence to show
      that increasing the availability
      of firearms reduces violent
      deaths;
      (2) there is mixed evidence that
      shows restricting the
      availability of firearms alters
      the overall violent death rate;
      (3) the evidence very strongly
      suggests that restricting the
      availability of firearms
      reduces firearm-related death
      rates.
      The third conclusion had primarily to do (as the paper discloses) with SUICIDES using guns, which is an entirely different matter.

      I find it insulting to my intelligence when folks throw out the word “statistics” to support their arguments – when no such statistics exist. Moreover, statistics can be used to lie or deceive. Example:
      In a 30,000 seat stadium, 75% of the people present stood up and applauded the speaker!
      All true, except that there were only 4 people present in the stadium at the time – and 3 of them stood up.

    • gunny55

      Fortunately we also have people on our side with mad skills.

    • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

      Farris your stats concerning gun control &crime going down STINK so bad I can smell them from here. That’s nothing more than liberal blather that comes from Sara Brady, Chuck U Schumer or some other communist mouthpiece that thinks that telling a lie over & over somehow makes it the truth. Do some research before parroting something you’ve “heard” on CNN, CNBC or whatever lame network you get your news from.

      • gunny55

        AMEN

    • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

      Farris, I do however agree with this portion of your statement —>Forget about gun laws and arm yourself in secret now! Within ten years we will all be controlled by a police force that can and will kill anyone who resists.
      I just don’t understand how you can see that, but not see the whole picture

    • Joe H

      Farris,
      you mean like the guy two years ago that shot something like twenty people with a FULLY AUTOMATIC weapon from a moving car IN LONDON???? June 2 2010. The guy was a taxi driver! Yeah, that gun control REALLY WORKS!!! 12 people dead that could have defended themselves if a couple had had guns of their own!

  • FreedomFighter

    The time to choose a side is here, choose the totalitarian evil, or the freedom our fathers gave us, to not make a choice is to choose evil; evil only needs good men to take no action to stop it.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Armen Kartvelian

    Although he does rarely come up with reasonable ideas, Senator Schumer often shoots first and asks questions later. A study on homicides among young people 10-29 in Europe, where strict firearm laws limit the possibility of obtaining a gun, shows that more homicides are committed with knives (as one might expect), but that in some countries homicide by firearm still accounts for a number of murders. Would Senator Schumer propose “knife control laws?” Sixty-one percent of the homicides committed in New York City in 2010 were committed with firearms despite New York having one of the strictest firearm control laws in the country.

    Also interesting is a study that shows that the number of mass homicides like the recent one in Aurora, CO, has not increased significantly since the mid 60s. In fact mass homicides by firearms were at least as common in the US in the 1920s as now.

    I suggest that what we see in the proposals of Senator Schumer and his colleagues is a reaction to the number of people killed and wounded rather an a carefully researched and a thought through approach to a minor problem. Of course, any death is a tragedy, but these members of congress are overreacting. [They've done this before: consider the "Patriot" Act.]

    IMO, the issue is one of mental health wellness. In the US we do a poor job of identifying people with mental health problems — often they are self-identified or are referred by a GP or a family member — and treating them. Examples: the shameful and inadequate treatment of members of the armed forces returning from multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan lack of specially trained psychologists in the public schools.

    Lobotomies are no longer used to treat mental illness; many people pop Zanax, Prozac, and other pills as a cure-all for their psychological problems. Mental illness is still stigmatized. We need to grow up, view “mental” illnesses as seriously as we do “physical” illnesses, and treat them accordingly.

    • DaveH

      The mass shootings are just an excuse for gun control. The fact is that violent crime has declined dramatically in this country since 1991, while at the same time shall-carry laws have swept the nation.
      More Guns, Less Crime:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ8L7nqL1rs&feature=related

  • Armen Kartvelian

    Two errors I failed to catch before submitting my comment:

    Paragraph 3, line 2: “than”, not “an”.
    Paragraph 4, last line: semi-colon after Afghanistsan. Thus, “Afghanistan; lack…”

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    Everyone needs to take a big breath and relax. Quit getting so stressed! Don’t worry about the future. All there is is the present. And at this present time, there is no gun confiscation going on. We don’t have “2nd amendment” rights. We don’t have constitutional rights. We have rights given us at birth. Call it instinct, call it God given, call it what you want. You have the right to live out the time that you have been given from birth. NO ONE has the right to short you of your time. You have the natural right to defend your life just like any creature on earth does. Even a lowly fly will try to avoid being killed by a fly swatter. We ALL have the right to our lives. Government is instituted among men to DEFEND life liberty and property from attack. When the government usurps that proper place and attacks, life, liberty and property we have the right to abolish it and institute new government for the proper function of protection. A firearm is a tool. It can be used to defend your life or to attack another. Since most of humanity seems to believe in self defense rather than attack, it only stands to reason that the right to self defense is an UNALIENABLE right. Meaning you can’t give it away, sell it or have it taken by ANYONE. Since government is made up of PEOPLE, no person has the right to do what they couldn’t do as a single individual. Anyone who tries to disarm you places themselves at WAR with you and should be dealt with accordingly. If those in government were to begin to try to disarm the general population the results would be catastrophic to them and their own families. They can pass all the “laws” they want. Any law that goes against natural law is of no force and effect. Anyone who tries, police or otherwise to enforce a law that goes against natural law is your ENEMY and should be dealt with as such. Just because SOMEONE dresses in a fancy clown suit and drives a car that is covered with phony slogans, it doesn’t give them any right to disarm you any more than your next door neighbor has. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TAKING CARE of the PROBLEMS that are already in our midst? When are we going to put FEAR into government workers when they attack and destroy innocent people? Jefferson is credited with stating…When the government FEARS the people, there is freedom. When the people fear the government there is tyranny. How, I ask, do we make them FEAR us? With the tools that we have in our possession right now. The 2nd amendment simply tells them to leave those tools the (expletive deleted) alone. If they want to screw with that simple concept, let them reap the whirlwind.

  • gunny55

    One thing you left out “mark” they are called “subjects” and England in particular is dealing with roving bands of miscreants and a marked increase in home invasions and other crimes.
    Read it and weep.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html

    • 45caliber

      Not only that, multiply the crime rate England reports by at least 4. There are several newspapers, etc. in England that states that 3 of 4 victims don’t bother to report it to the police because the police generally won’t even bother to take the report. It is too much paperwork. They certainly won’t bother to investigate it.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        The Brits also “cook” the numbers. In other words if there is a string of muggings by the same individual on the same day they count it as one incident for statistical purposes.

      • 45caliber

        Buster:

        I’d not heard that but it doesnt’ surprise me any.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Most likely the victims don’t report the crimes because they may be labeled as instigators of the crime against themselves.

  • DR. ROBERT E. RINGLE

    YESTERDAY I WROTE THAT BEARING ARMS IS NOT THE SAME AS OWNING ARMS. THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ALLOWS THE KEEPING AND BEARING OF ARMS SINCE MILITIAS ARE NEEDED ENTITIES. KEEPING ARMS IS NOT OWNING ARMS EITHER. DR. ROBERT E. RINGLE

    • gunny55

      Your opinon and that is all it is.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      You need to do some homework. Those militia members that stood up against the King of England were mainly farmers that OWNED their firearms for protection against Indians and for the gathering of meat. So what you are suggesting is that someone else owns them and lends them out at their discretion? And what kind of Doctor are you?

      • gunny55

        Mark,he beleves that having Dr. in front of his name somehow makes him all knowing. LOL!
        I’m not impressed or intimidated by it but sadly many are.

      • DaveH

        A doctor who doesn’t know how to take off his caps lock.

      • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

        Dr. of Delusional thinking ??

    • 45caliber

      Typical liberal. You depend upon the meaning of words to try to make them fit the way you want them to do rather than admit that you are wrong. Further, you want to use the words, after you alter what they mean, to deny others their various freedoms.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Semantics. Your title and your verbiage do not impress.

    • Joe H

      Dr.Bobbie,
      there are a whole bunch of very learned scholors that vehemently disagree with you! Check with Hillsdale college and the inprimus!

    • Vicki

      DR. ROBERT E. RINGLE Says:
      “YESTERDAY I WROTE…” nonsense and it is still nonsense today.

    • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

      YESTERDAY I WROTE THAT BEARING ARMS IS NOT THE SAME AS OWNING ARMS. THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ALLOWS THE KEEPING AND BEARING OF ARMS SINCE MILITIAS ARE NEEDED ENTITIES. KEEPING ARMS IS NOT OWNING ARMS EITHER. DR. ROBERT E. RINGLE

      Hey Doc I’ve spent 20 minutes trying to decipher exactly what your point is & all I can determine is that you must have gotten your degree at the communist university of Moscow & you must have also “minored” in NITPICKING 101.
      If I don’t own the guns that I’ve bought, then who the h-ll does? Nowhere do I see in the 2nd amendment anything about “OWNING” arms. Are you one of those people who dissects & redefines words & sentences like former white house occupier Clintoon did? I’m referring to his most famous quote—> “well it depends on what the definition of what “is” is… Are you one of those master debaters like that cartoon character Prez Clintoon?

  • http://yahoo Danny shell

    PRY MINE FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

  • Speak2Truth

    With Breuer’s testimony, the Obama administration’s call for a “need-based” gun ban is clearly in line with Feinstein’s vision of private ownership of firearms. As the Senate author of the 1994 Clinton gun ban, Feinstein told CBS “60 Minutes,” “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them—Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in—I would have done it.”

    ‘nuf said

  • Paul M

    Chuckles is a self proclaimed Domestic Enemy of the Constitution, you know, the ones that are addressed in Every Oath that every Military, LEO, Govt employee, FireFighter etc takes. Suggesting such and Amendment is an Egregious Violation of his Oath to the Constitution therefore he is a Criminal. When is Any Active Law Enforcement Officer or Military police gonna live up to their Oaths and Arrest him. They are NOT Above being arrested for Egregious Violations of their Oaths or Intentional Criminal Violations of the Constitution. Someone(LEO/Military) Please have the God, Guns, Guts to put him in Federal Prison for Life where he and is fellow Domestic Enemies of the Constitution belong. I hear there is still room at Gitmo, and hey they wouldn’t be lonely they have scum buddies to bunk with. LMAO.
    Guess what?? Why is it that even the Most minimally educated in the US understand the meanings of the words “Shall Not Be INFRINGED” but these Criminally Elite can’t understand the what it means, the Founding fathers put it there for a reason and Daniel webster wrote the first Dictionary to prevent misuse and ignoring of the meanings of the words in the Constitution.
    Things to make you go Hmmmmmmmmm?????

  • Ted

    To anyone who doubts that it could happen, just look at the history of firearm control in England. There are now very few guns in private ownership, and ZERO pistols (unless you count a few black powder guns).
    It gets harder all the time yet gun crime is at an all-time high with smuggled illegals entering every day.
    Think on this….
    It’s Olympic Games time right now. Would you shoot for your country if you had to travel abroad, at your own expense, to practice?
    I tried to stir up a protest but got absolutely nowhere.
    A quote to remember, from Blackstone, the authority on the British Constitution
    “and lastly, the right to have and keep arms for self preservation and defence”

    • 45caliber

      And according to Scotland Yard, there are more guns in England today than there was when they were banned. The difference, again according to SY, is that the ones now are fully automatic and are in the hands of various gangs instead of honest citizens. They import the guns along with the drugs they use and sell. The Bobbies there now go armed and in armor.

  • donw

    it is my OPINION that WE, the voters are responsible for abominations like sen schummer and sen feinstein just to name two…the list is too long to go on here, but you get the point.

    1. a ‘clip’ is something to insert the rounds INTO a magaizine…they’ve been around since the late 1800′s. and yes…many do NOT understand the difference in a ‘cilp’ and a ‘magazine’. it doesn’t REALLY matter…that’s just an exercise in symantecs.

    2. there is a technical/physical difference between our legal AR’s/AK’s than the military issue. many, if not most, legislators do not know/understand the difference and frankly, don’t care. most legislators don’t think rationally when it come to gun legislation…emotion is what guides them.

    3. i notice some comments about all the “Millions” that would resist an army battalion of 800 men. how many out there posting in comments are veterans? civilians armed with AR’s/AK’s would be no match for a trained, equipped, well supplied, battalion, even in the thousands…it would take tens of, hundreds of thousands, to go toe-to-toe with the 2nd armored brigade as an example.

    4. the best place to defeat “Them” is at the ballot box. at this time in our history, i don’t think the American public has the stomach, will, or resources to, successfully, mount a revolution…heck the amercian public have been conditioned for “No win” policies since vietnam…proof? we deafeated nazi germany, imperial japan and fascist italy in less than four years. we were in vietnam from 1957 to 1973…no win..afghanistan for 10 years now…no win…iraq 8 years…a ‘possible’ win.

    i sincerely hope that the american people will wake up and get rid of obabma and his administration and get us back on a DECENT path. we ARE truly headed down the road to a socialist/comunist/progressive/marxist take-over.

    • 45caliber

      donw:

      You stated that civilians cannot compete with a battalion of trained men. That is not entirely true although many think so. The real advantage the trained men would have would be weapons that the civilians cannot initially acquire. They would have grenades and launchers, rockets, etc. that civilians cannot have.

      But as a combat vet, I can attest to the fact that only about 10% of any military unit is effective in combat. The rest are considered, by those of us who do know this, as ‘targets’ to distract the enemy from those who are valuable. So of an 800 man unit only about 80 or so are dangerous. The rest get too excited (ever hear of “deer fever”?) or are simply too afraid in combat to do any good.

      But the civilians they would be fighting would probably be about 90% affective since the useless ones would be surrendering. A man with a rifle can do quite well when he knows the rifle and knows how to use it. The real key to defeating them is NOT meeting them face to face in combat but to snipe at a distance. And hunters can easily do that.

      When I got out of the Army I told a sergeant that I’d never join again. He insisted I would if the country was threatened. My comment? “I could take a .22 and go to the woods and do more damage than any platoon of soldiers you could put me into.” And I could.

      • gunny55

        Someone should have told the Afgans that they were supposed to lose to the Russians because they had superior fire power and weapons.Never forget that alot of us gun nutz have mad skills and can shoot the balls of a grasshopper at distance. Huhh,who’d a thunk it.

  • http://yahoo sylvia

    unfortunately, if the masses are not somehow reached or informed in simple english and spanish, many of these extremely critical issues (2nd amendment,etc) will be taken from the rest of us. to reach these voters, probably assemblies of some sort would have to take place. without this unity we may go down.

  • Strychnine

    First, as a resident of Aurora Co who lives two blocks from the alleged shooters apartment I would like to say that I’m disgusted by the politicization of this horrific incident.

    That said, as the author notes, I’m sick of hearing people blather on about a subject that they clearly no nothing about. People have said Holmes had a “machinegun” on the news. That’s just not true.

    I’ve heard people claim we “…need to make it harder for people like this to acquire this kind of weaponry…”. This statement makes me angry. While Holmes is clearly a lunatic, even our governor (Hickenlooper, D-CO) pointed out that there’s no set of laws that would have stopped him from purchasing these weapons. He had no criminal record, had not been dishonorably discharged from a branch of the service, had not been committed to a psychiatric facility and had not been adjudicated as mentally incompetent by a judge. As such no law could have prevented him from purchasing weapons.

    Some will argue that the paragraph above is a perfect example of why we need a new AWB, but to me that argument is specious and here’s why; the ban would have no effect on “assault rifles” or magazines already in private hands or on store shelves (privately owned by an FFL holder).

    A ban would only affect weapons manufactured AFTER the date of the ban. As such, truckloads of AR-15′s, semi-auto AK clones, Mini-14′s etc would still be in circulation as well as high capacity mags for them. Lunatics bent on destroying human life could simply buy them as “used”. On top of that, someone with a stock SKS (7.62x39mm chamber with a10 round integrated box mag) could do a heck of a lot of damage.

    On top of that, the idea of limiting magazine size to 10 rounds is stupid. First, the number is arbitrary. My .40 cal Desert Eagle holds 12+1 and is certainly not significantly more dangerous than my Glock 30 which holds 10+1. Secondly, the vast majority of these incidents occur where guns are illegal to carry and even at the incident in Arizona where Gabby Giffords was tragically shot and 6 others were killed no one else had a gun.

    Now I’m not saying that if someone had a gun it would have ended the situation in a better way. It might have been, but it also might have turned into a gunfight with people caught in a crossfire and hence killing or wounding more people. There is simply no way to know and any attempt to talk about this is pure speculation.

    But what is absolutely undeniable is that a guy with a handgun that holds 10 rounds and 9 extra magazines for the weapon (total of 101 rounds presumably) can be just as effective as if he has one 100 round drum mag. This is because if his targets are unarmed they are going to attempt to flee. In a situation as occurred here in Aurora there is no way the people are going to fight back. It takes mere seconds to reload a handgun, no where near enough time for someone 50 feet away to realize he’s reloading, cover the distance and tackle the guy. Regardless of magazine size a guy with a gun or multiple guns has virtual impunity against unarmed citizens.

    Finally, we tried an AWB for 10 years. After it’s sunset in 2004 the FBI and BATFE both did a review and both came to the same conclusion: the ban might have had some effect on gun crime, but if it did it was too small to be reliably measured, ie it was not statistically significant or in other words the effect was negligible.

    I don’t see a reason to put an end to a multi-billion dollar business that pays taxes, employs thousands of people and provides millions of people with a product they choose to buy (and by and large use and store responsibly) when the effect on crime is literally too small to measure with any reliability.

    States and cities with the toughest gun laws by and large have the most gun crime in this country. The argument that if we just had tighter gun laws everywhere this would change is bunk. Look at the guy in Norway. He killed 77 people with a weapon he imported into the country ILLEGALLY. People who are reasonably intelligent and determined to commit mass murder will ALWAYS find a way to do it.

    The sad truth is no matter what the gun laws are people bent on murder will acquire weapons. Even if you made it impossible for them to do so, which we can’t, they would simply build explosives like Tim McVeigh or the guy here in Aurora. Making a large truck bomb, honestly isn’t difficult unless you’re a complete idiot.

    In sum, there will always be crazy people out there who want to harm innocent people. There is no law that will prevent it. If laws PREVENTED crime we would have no murder, rape or robbery in this country, but we do. That’s because there are sick people out there. Period.

    • gunny55

      Bravo, Finally a voice of reason. You are right on and I see things the same way you do.

  • Peter Bertagnolli

    It seems that all the ‘progressives’ in hollywood and in politics who profess to not like guns have armed guards. These are the same clowns who oppose closing the borders, yet live in fenced compounds. They do not want voter i..d., but try getting into events where they are without i.d..

  • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

    Gun Control DOES work!! Just look at this list. It worked for them

    Hitler, Stalin, Musoulinni, Kruschev, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot,
    & more recently; Vladimier Putin, Macmoud Amadimijahd, Kim Jong ill,(& now his dog eating son), Momar Qaddafi, Hugo Chavez, & most recently Syrias’ Bashir Assad.
    Hey, the way I see it, Karolyn, Mark, Eddie 47″d”elirious & the other socialists that post here are RIGHT

    • eddie47d

      That was gun confiscation not gun control or sensible laws for the benefit of everyone. I don’t want cars banned but I want controls on them. I don’t want poisons banned but I do want controls on them and I do want controls on weapons and ammunition. So leave the Pol Pot bogeyman out of this.

      • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

        There are plenty of counties that have gun control, why don’t you move to one of them?

      • Veteran

        I’m sorry for your historical ignorance, but Hitler’s gun confiscation started out as “sensible gun control” measures which quickly and quietly morphed into total confiscation – he just started with the Jews. He also did it in Poland, but the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto surprised him when they held off the resident German army for almost 30 days with all of 38 guns. The soldiers originally thought they were walking into a totally disarmed city area only to find out the Jews were armed.

        Almost all of the others also used the sensible controls way to start their programs and insisted that by taking all the guns there would be no gun violence – and they were all just playing to their own control methods.

        Check the kings and queens in the Middle Ages in Europe who went back and forth on weapons control depending on whether they needed the populace to be armed because their feared invasion or were going to war (they let peasants be armed) or they wanted to dominate the populace (unarmed). Several English kings suffered becasue to control the peasants, they had prevented them from having and practicing with the great English long bows (up to 400 yards range) and lost battles because their archers were not sufficiently proficient.

        Our forefathers put the ‘militia’ clause in the Second Amendment because they feared the existence and use of a standing, professional army and its misuse. We are the only nation in the world with a guaranteed right to self-defense. And if you look at that list of people/dictators, you will find that EVERY ONE of them used a standing army and a disarmed public to dominate – and eliminate – those they didn’t like.

        The 2nd Amendment is our Ace in the Hole. Remember Yamamoto’s statement – ‘ I’m afraid to invade the United States because there’s a gun behind every blade of grass’.
        And LAW-ABIDING gun owners.

  • fish

    Question: I ask Comazar Schumer, How are you going to run a “WAR” against Iran ,While they are backed by Russia & China and at the same time FIGHT –WE the PEOPLE here in America in a “CIVIL WAR” over are “CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS”"???? Answer me that!

  • lou1011

    Anti gun advocates are the worst kind of hypocrite.
    It makes no sense to me why anti-gun Love! to blame all tragedies like Colorado on GUNS. This “carrot top” was clearly insane and we continue to profile him as a “right wing conspirator”. It is crazy to think or even attempt to change the publics mind about these incidents.
    Guns in the hands of the law abiding people is our Constitutional right. Guns in the hands of the terrorist, is like guns in the hands of those who care less about the Constitution or our rights. Why do we make up LAWS that only the law abider pays attention to? The LAWLESS people will exist with or without laws and they will kill, murder, rape and rob no matter how many laws congress wants to create. This is not about GUNS or LAWS, it is a fact of life and our society has a hard time understanding, and…our politicians have no common sense about this and I don’t expect that to change any time soon.

    • 45caliber

      lou:

      If you check, the anti-gun people in Washington all are armed and intend to remain that way. Their argument is that they NEED to defend themselves since they have so many enemies and the rest of us don’t. Actually their enemies ARE us. They have all these “glorious” plans for the country (with them in charge, of course) that they know we would object to – just like Stalin had plans for Russia. That is the reason they are hypocrites.

  • StevenGarrick

    Brady,with all due respect,should have died.

  • Bimbam

    Once again we are asked by liberals to sacrifice our safety on the liberal altar of hyprocrisy that they might gain complete control of us!

    BUT we must not let them. We must strip the human mask off of F*** Shcumer, Prank Launtenberg and Diane Frankenstein and reveal them for the monsters they are.

    They want us SLAUGHTERED like sheep by the illegal immigrants, the drug gangs, ME sleeper cells, foreign troops on our soil and the communist hordes a stone’s throw away and they would be only too happy to oblige.

    TRAITORS! What are they doing writing our laws???? Who is putting these people in? In my next blog I will explain how this is happening.

  • gunner689AI

    I think we should ban airplanes because of 9/11 and cars because of drunk drivers.

    PC is BS.

    • gunny55

      Yeah,especially airplanes I’d rather face my ex-wife than go up in one of those things. Believe me that’s sayin alot!!! LMAO!!!

  • wesley waldrep

    I am a purist when it comes to the bill of rights. The founders declared the Bill Of Rights is a listing of God given rights no person can take from us. I believe that the Second Amendment is what it says. We have the right to own and carry any firearm we choose and no one has the right to deny that right. Therefore every law from the National firearms Act to the most recent laws concerning where we can and can not carry are unconstitutional. If I want to go to the corner gun shop and buy an M-60 that is my right and no government official has the right to say otherwise according to the Second Amendment.

    • Vicki

      They don’t have the right but they have guns and friends with guns. Friends that are all too willing to ignore their oath of office.

  • RightGunner

    Anyone who was in the service knows what a magazine is, especially those who carried 1911’s. Wikipedia, erroneously states “Due to popular usage of the term clip interchangeably with magazine it now has the same meaning and is defined as such”. They are wrong, but Ben is, and they are, correct that many people don’t know the difference. Wikipedia however, does provide some good picture examples of clips for the education of those needing it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammunition_clip.

    Now I get on my soapbox (again). We gun owners are fools to continue to call our weapons semi-automatic. The difference between automatic and semi-automatic is lost on those who don’t like guns, don’t know much about guns and don’t like others to have guns. Instead we should term guns as automatic or non-automatic, period. That unambiguously describes everything anyone needs to know about the types of guns and removes some of the inaccurate pictures presented by the term semi-automatic.

    Here are some suggestions of how to push back against those in government who wish to limit gun ownership.

    1) The government, Federal, State and Local, cannot even keep drugs out of Grammar Schools including Kindergartens, so there is no way they can take guns away from the criminal element, except by mimicking Hitler or Stalin. Since all citizens have a right to defend themselves against criminals, and since criminals can have any kind of weapon they choose, citizens have a right to prepare appropriately for that eventuality.

    2) If the Schumer’s in Congress continue this travesty against the public, we should remove all government funding for protective services of any kind for all those who submit a bill to limit gun ownership in any way or who vote for such a bill. In addition those Congressmen submitting or voting for such a bill, will become a test case in which they and their immediate families including anyone who resides with them in any of their residences, are not allowed to privately purchase protective services including living in a gated community, or own any guns for the following ten years, whether or not they stay in Congress for that period. Statistics will be kept and at the end of ten years the data reviewed by the public which can then determine to change the conditions to be more or less stringent, or to end the test.

    3) If that doesn’t work we need to become more creative.

    • http://www.obamaslies.com Liberal liars blow chunks

      Hey RG, how do we begin implementation of number # 2 ?

      LOL Fred, I already coughed up. Life member of the NRA since 2008 when Obozo was elected ;-) B O’s done more for the gun manufacturers $ & NRA $ than anyone since Clintoon was in office.

  • Fred Coffman

    So, how many of you put your money where your mouth is by donating to the NRA/ILA? I am a Benefactor Member of the NRA and without them the lefties would already have your guns. Talk is cheap, cough up.

  • fairplay@2012

    Keep your guns,buy more if you feel the need to!!To hell with the low lives in Washington,who are trying their most to water down,or do away with,our second Amendment!!! I agree freedom fighter ,as well as most of you!!!God bless the great USA.

  • Middlemant@2012

    Theres more of us than “them”!!!!!!Their plan will never work!!!!

    • 45caliber

      Middleman:

      I agree. But they are hoping they can train the younger people to fear everything so they won’t resist. They are certainly trying hard.

  • Karl Gregoire

    Ben Crystal is quickly becoming my favorite writer! I love his style and command of the English language.

  • ALL AMERICAN

    Listen you Commie turds…
    It ain’t gonna happen.
    You all better had start packing, because the election is within sight.

  • Pathfinder

    The second amendment is there as a last resort for LIBERTY. When politicians and or the UN( as in the ATT) nullify the second amendment, tyranny will prevail. Thomas Jefferson said: ” The tree of liberty must be nourished form time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots.” It is apparently, according to Jefferson, just a matter of time. Jefferson was a visionary.

  • Middlemant@2012

    We could use another Jefferson!!But instead.look what we have!!!!

  • swampfox

    Happiness is a good sight picture with a blue helmet in it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

    The 2nd amendment is live and well. We will at all cost stop the gun grabbers.

  • Don B

    If every gun owner that wants to continue their right to own firearms would get out and vote in November we would get all of these anti gunners out of office by a landslide. Maybe Romney isn’t perfect but he sure beats what we have now.

  • Frank Holden

    Despite all the bickering back and forth. Take the time, search “REX 84″, there you will find information to begin your understanding of the FEMA camps, from there follow the links down into the bowls of this subject. Don’t be fooled by the initial explainations for their existence, follow REX 84 until you run out of links. Pay attention, this is real.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

      REX 84 scares the hell out me. Thank you for pointing this out.

  • Yerallcrazy..

    You’re all paranoid. They just want to reinstate the ban on assault rifles. Stop trumping up the charges. Do you want a civil war? How many assault rifles do you need? I’ve got plenty of weapons but I don’t need any assault rifles.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

      Have you ever heard the old saying, give a inch they will take a mile. Don’t be fooled…these are little steps to the granddaddy of gun grabs. If you are smart just say no now.

      • Yerallcrazy..

        Point taken. I still don’t see us needing assault rifles. I’m sure they’re fun to play with but still…

    • CZ52

      yerallcrazy, do you own ANY semi-auto firearms? What the gun grabbers call assualt weapons (and assualt weapons is what they want to ban not assualt rifles) is ANY semi-auto firearm. That includes all semi-auto pistols, all semi-auto rifles including 22 rimfire, and all semi-auto shotguns.

  • Thom Raasio

    NEW CALL FOR NATIONAL EMPTY HOLSTER CAMPAIGN

    By Patriot: Thom Raasio E-mail: thomraasio@yahoo.com

    MARTIAL LAW is coming to America before the end of 2012. September 6, 2012, Obama’s Czars will present their comprehensive programs for how to control ALL COMMUNICATIONS during a National SECURITY Emergency or CRISIS. Sounds like a good thing, right?? WRONG!!
    Obama signed and E.O. (executive order) declaring a NATIONAL SECURITY EMERGENCY on June 25, 2012. He will NEVER TERMINATE that order and he is RIGHT NOW, the defacto DICTATOR in America.
    Juyly 6, 2012 he signed an E.O. taking control of ALL COMMUNICATIONS (commercial, government, and private sources) in the event of a CRISIS or a National SECURITY Emergency. He gave his CZARS 60 days (til Sept. 6, 2012) to present their comprehensive plans to implement the controls.
    They (the Obama MARXIST, MUSLIM administration) will shut down all Conservative Talk Radio, T.V., and Internet band width. CONSERVATIVES will lose ALL manner of communication as he pulls of his COUP during the CRISIS in which he WILL declare MARTIAL LAW and he will NEVER rescind that order and becomes the PERMANENT DICTATOR over America…………UNLESS WE PRE-EMPT HIM…..and WE CAN DO IT.
    Join us in the NATIONAL EMPTY HOLSTER CAMPAIGN! As a show of UNITY and intent to stand together against any MARTIAL LAW or signing of the U.N. Arms Treaty (after the elections). Wear them EVERYDAY between NOW and the end of 2012.
    NO DICTATOR OR TYRANT can stand against a population that is fully armed.
    EMPTY HOLSTERS ONLY unless, or until, they go for MARTIAL LAW, then we ALL step out together with our guns IN our holsters on DECEMBER 13, 2012 at 9:00 a.m. EST.
    The ONLY WAY we can know we are together NATIONWIDE is to put our EMPTY HOLSTERS ON NOW, and wear them in ALL PUBLIC PLACES. That lets us tell each other we are together on this and we will NOT be alone if and when we are required to take action against these ANARCHIST who are in the process of completing their OVERTHROW of our U.S. Constitution and our 1st and 2nd Amendment RIGHTS.
    STAND TOGETHER AMERICA, DO IT NOW, DO IT TODAY! We have only a few days left to solidify our support for one another. PLEASE, PUT YOUR EMPTY HOLSTERS ON TODAY!!! and keep them on and ready for the rest of the year.
    This is our LAST CHANCE to communicate with each other. This is our LAST CHANCE to know what we’re willing to do together because they WILL CUT OFF all our other means of communication.
    Please, E-mail, Tweet, call, write , ANYWAY YOU CAN get this message ACROSS THE NATION NOW! Apathy is NOT and option, STAND WITH US, we’re standing with you.
    God bless and save our country in this dark hour.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

      Thanks for the information, I think it it a good idea.

    • RWIce

      Thom I believe you are spot on. I know how to MOVE, I know how to SHOOT and I am concerned how WE will COMMUNICATE. Everything that leaves a signature will be under his control. How will we patriots communicate?

  • http://Idon'tknow john vance

    I don’t understant how this SLIME keeps geting re-elected one look at Schumer & you can tell he is slimey

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

    HERE IS WHY: JOE Biden may be interim president by the end of 2012

    VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP – WASHINGTON D.C.
    In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College … Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter…

    LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T!

    Issue of Passport?

    While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ? So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

    A: Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel under?

    A: There are only three possibilities.

    1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,

    2) He traveled with a British passport, or

    3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in
    1981?

    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.

    And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

    If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on life-support, and won’t survive much longer.

    If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as you can, because our country is being looted and ransacked!

  • john811c

    They are all slimy. This is nothing more than an affront to our 2nd amendment rights. Of course the tyrants want our guns they are afraid we might revolt and they could be shot we need to bring them to task for their treasonous acts

  • Rich

    Schumer a Jew spews his nonsense of disarmamnet from the green zone of 24/7 armed guards. Its an afront to all Jews that were disarmed before extermination. Schumer you go to hell you pin head.

  • waltinseattle

    small arms versus 20mm G.E. electric gun
    u do the math!

  • Veteran

    You should also add to any conversation about Colorado that the cinema was posted as a “No Gun Zone” so that any LAW-ABIDING citizen would leave his/her gun outside or at home – which several did. Again, the law-abiding don’t commit crimes.

    And that “No Guns Allowed” sign did as much good as the average highway speed limit sing that says “Speed Limit 55″.

  • Rich

    The ironic part is that the world of the gun free Schumer a Jew and his like want is the world where he would be on the short list for extermination. He does a diservice to all the Jews exterminated in the past that were disramed first. Of course he spews retoric for the rest of us from the green zone of 24/7 armed

  • MTGIRL

    I want to remind everyone who Schumer is, other than being from New York and being a democrat. He’s the one who said, in front of the press (I saw it so no “out of context here”) “the federal government has three branches: the executive branch, the House and the Senate.”
    This is how stupid our very own congressmen have become. I don’t think this was just a gaffe,just a mistate, I truly believe this idiot doesn’t know what the constitution is all about and how our founding fathers designed it so that creeps like what we’ve got in office now cannot destroy our country. We’ve definitely got to get rid of this travesty, from the local city government up through the fed government.
    Look at both Biden and Pelosi telling us that unemployment payments sstimulate the economy and therefore it’s a good thing that we pay ssomeone two years’ worth.

  • Bill Fox

    “your daughter’s pink .22 Crickett”

    This has upset a friend of mine. He uses this very reliable, affordable firearm, to dispatch animals that are trapped. It is pink. It has never misfired or jammed.

  • Charles

    Just go to You Tube and type in fema camps and see what comes up. Watch the Jesse Ventura vids about the Kennedy Assanation and You will begin to understand.

  • Mike

    It’s funny that one of the biggest reasons the libs use to justify abolishing the 2nd Amendment is to say that the amendment is out of date. They say that the framers of the Constitution meant the 2nd Amendment for muskets and didn’t anticipate automatic weapons and grenade launchers. I must disagree. They most certainly did anticipate weapon improvements. The 2nd Amendment was created so the citizenry could be as well armed as the government, should they need to take the government back. Well people, the government uses automatic weapons and grenade launchers. In fact, we wouldn’t have much of a chance without them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

      Well said… Mike

      • waltinseattle

        muskets? NO! They ALlowed muskets down south where they were the norm. What they wanted,specifically Required where at all possible….were Rifles…the bleeding edge newest, most accurate arm available as in Pennsylvania Rifle. Thus: we should be getting a DÇM full auto squad served for every block or appt bldg. plus personal arms…to keep up with that philosophy. Oh…please leave the .32 cal at home, as squirrel guns don’t cut it on the battlefield.

  • R.S.

    They do not want citizens being armed yet the military is all civilians that have eveything from combat knives to full automatic weapons, grenades, missles, heavily armed aircraft, explosives, etc,etc,etc,etc. But that is ok? When are they going to ban the military from having weapons? After all, they ARE civilians too.

    • waltinseattle

      same issue everytime they want to have rules for wife beaters…and the cops get nervous…

      • Charles

        The military is well trained in the use of those weapons. Most non military civilians are not. And that is most of the problem. In order to use a weapon safely and responsibly, You must get some good training and Practice, Practice, Practice.

        • waltinseattle

          Charles, I keep hearing that “well regulated” only applies to the formal militia, that the rabble unformed one is not subject…seems b.s. to me, bro

  • Catlow J. Talon

    I am sick of government personel being called my “Leader”. I have noe “Leader”, I am a free man. My rifles assure this. Do not lead, as I may not follow. People like Shumer are far to insulated from regular America, or Americans to understand the need for self defence. Should they call Police they would be their PDQ because of their upscale neighborhoods and overly fat wallets. they are far to ignorant to know what it’s like to be accosted on the street or God forbid, in your home. Their small minds cannot grasp the fact that more guns equal less crime, even though that’s been proven many times. It flies to much in the face of their socialist/communist ideals. Did you hear the russiam Domma is considering letting the populace have handguns for self defense! Yet our Enlightened “Leaders” (I despise that term) can only small mindedly think of taking away.

    • Veteran

      You are so-o-o-o.right! What I would like to do is to legally, by referendum or other means, take away “Chuckie’s” armed bodyguards and any protection details and let him – and Boxer, Feinstein, Bloomberg, etc. – walk through their own city streets at night armed only with their ‘good intentions’ and see how safe they feel. Let them travel at night on the subways and walk more than three streets away from their Broadway show with only their jacket – no limo, no cab, just walk. And do this for one year – their tune would change in a week.

      And the biggest farce was when Sarah Brady bragged she bought a rifle and “gave it to my (17 year-old) son” – a violation of the law she got enacted and NO ONE arrested her! As you so properly pointed out, different rules for different people.

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