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Gun-Rights Group Says Bloomberg Billboard Distorts Reality

February 23, 2011 by  

Gun-rights group says Bloomberg billboard distorts realityNew York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg officially launched a moving billboard campaign last week in an effort to advocate for stricter gun laws in the United States. The promotional truck, which is equipped with a running tally of gun-related deaths in America since the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz.., is slated to appear in at least 25 States.

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), a nonprofit group that aims to protect 2nd Amendment rights, has called the billboard campaign misleading. The organization's chairman, Alan Gottlieb, said that the Mayors Against Illegal Guns' statistic that 34 Americans are "murdered with guns every day" is a scare tactic that fails to tell the whole story.

Gottlieb estimated that up to 2.5 million American lives are saved every year because of legal firearm ownership, and a majority of these incidents result in no shots being fired. Citing FBI data, he revealed that more than 6.2 million private citizens are legally carrying guns in more than 40 States. Meanwhile, violent crime has decreased in the U.S. as the number of gun-owners has increased.

"If Bloomberg was really interested in public safety rather than publicity, he would park that truck and take all the money he's spending on the billboard and the fuel, and give it to local gun clubs for firearms safety training and education," said Gottlieb.

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  • s c

    Let Bloomberg take his schizophrenic circus to England and Australia. Let him travel those countries and explain to those people how they’re better off being unarmed and ready to be victimized. Let that bozo convince the people of England and Australia that criminals with weapons deserve to feed off others.
    Bloomberg thinks he can take his stupidity on the road and somehow not be seen as a Hitler-loving, closet Nazi. Bloomberg, you dolt, Hitler did what
    you want to do. That wannabe god devastated Europe and killed millions of people in Germany and other countries. Have you lost your mind, Bloomberg? Are you so oblibious that you’d sacrifice America to satisfy your lust for power?
    Grab your passport, and don’t come back until you’ve convinced the people of England and Australia that their lives are better because they can’t defend themselves. Don’t forget to put ‘Arbeit mach frei’ in large letters on your bus.

    • Al Sieber

      Good one sc, does that last sentence in German mean work makes you free? I forgot.

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        You really do know your german!Your right!

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      I really think that Bloomberg needs to take his truck to Mexico and show that info to all the gangs there. I’m certain that they would immediately be humbled and would give up all their guns on the spot.

      But while he’s there, let’s seal the border so he can stay there, huh?

      • s c

        Great idea, 45caliber. Unfortunately, as long as we’re stuck with someone like The Anointed One in the White House, it will never happen.

        • 45caliber

          Yeah, I know. Sad, isn’t it?

    • independant thinker

      Now thats an idea. Someone needs to make up some bumper stickers with that on them and slap said stickers on the bus/truck when they see it. Oh, and make sure the bumper stickers do not have the supposed “easy to remove” adhesive on them.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Who’s really paying for this?

    • Dan az

      According to the tenth amendment there really isn’t much they can do.
      Federal Gun Laws Nullification

      As codified in law with the 2nd Amendment, the People did not delegate the power to regulate or control the ownership of firearms to the federal government. And, as the 10th Amendment makes clear, all powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the States or to the People themselves.

      State legislation to nullify federal gun laws or regulations focus on this basic and essential principle, and propose to make state law that the federal government is effectively banned from such regulations and laws within the state.

      • Dan az

        All of the states need to do this and if they wont then fire them.
        http://arizona.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/02/arizona-firearms-freedom-act-hb-2307-passes-the-house/

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan az,
        One question. why the hell doesn’t some gun rights organization take NYC and bloomberg to the supremes??? Like DC did. They need to fight it once and for all!! Get the supremes to decide against ALL city and state controls!!

        • Dan az

          Hey Joe
          I have know clue.He just reminds me of al gored it and shummmmmer with his death clock which he took down from times square after he shot the house intruder at his house in NY.Maybe we can send bloomers to oakland and see if he has a gun with him?Or maybe watts any way the supremes dont tackle any thing with out permission from from their almighty obumer by way of sody and kages.One thing for sure is that he wont be coming here anymore!

    • http://erniemoutouxsr@sbcglobal.net Ernest Moutoux Sr.

      I beleive that the best GUN CONTROL is enforcement of control laws not wanting more laws. I know it”s easier to change the law than to enforce present laws. Guns may be the insturment yet it the person holding the gun that is doing the killings not the weapon.

  • Fredsworld

    Bumbag is a traitor who hates freedom for anyone other than himself and his cronies! He coddles Islamic terrorists while trying to deny Christians from expressing their right to self protection! Bumbag is the perfect example of The Enemy Within! Please vote this rat out of office for God’s sake!!!

    • eddie47d

      Now Bloomberg is denying Christians the right to bear arms? Another “scare tactic” from the right.

      • Brad

        eddie47d,

        No scare tactics there, Fredsworld is expressing his free speach rights. If bloomberg had his way all guns would have to be turned in leaving the military armed, police armed, and the criminal armed. What do you think will happen with our crime rate when law abiding citizens have been disarmed, it’s going through the roof. Today it’s the law abiding citizen who keeps the criminal in check, the criminal doesn’t want to head directly to the stairway to heaven.

      • ValDM

        Not arms, you dolt. The Greedk Orthodox Church has been denied rebuilding permits repeatedly while the Muslims have been put on the fast track for their “center”. Try to keep up.

        • eddie47d

          That Greek Orthodox Church has only 50 to 100 members and can’t afford to rebuild. Your comment is off topic but if you are so concerned why don’t you pitch in and donate a few millions. Then it can be a done deal. It has nothing to do with fast tracking anything.

      • eddie47d

        Yes it is scare tactics Brad and you defend one persons right to free speech (fredsworld) yet want to deny it to someone else(Bloomberg). Do you even know the difference between gun laws(control) and gun confiscation? You just proved my point about spreading undocumented fear.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eddie,
          fredsworld isn’t forcing his freedom of speech on anyone Bloombag is!! Bloombag is in a position of power and is trying to force his ideas on others whether they want it or not!!

        • Brad

          eddie47d,

          fedsworld said this, “Bumbag is a traitor who hates freedom for anyone other than himself and his cronies! He coddles Islamic terrorists while trying to deny Christians from expressing their right to self protection! Bumbag is the perfect example of The Enemy Within! Please vote this rat out of office for God’s sake”!!!

          eddie47d, came back and said this about my comment, “Yes it is scare tactics Brad and you defend one persons right to free speech (fredsworld) yet want to deny it to someone else(Bloomberg). Do you even know the difference between gun laws(control) and gun confiscation? You just proved my point about spreading undocumented fear”.

          It’s my opinion that eddie47d just doesn’t get it, bloomburg is forcing his opinion onto others instead of cleaning up his own backyard. If he wants to play on the national stage then he needs to run for President!!! Guess what eddie, we may all have an opinion but opinions are are like azzholes, we all have one, some stink while others don’t and it’s my opinion yours stinks.

          • Brad

            Just one last point eddie,

            Undocumented fear is when you spread lie’s and have no documented proof of said actions coming true. I posted a document to this forum about Australia and what has happend to the citizens of said country after their gun confiscation of legal weapons. Their crime rate went up then settled down, today who has said weapons, the police (not there in time), the military (safe guard the country), and finaly the criminal (they have guns), has Australias citizens seen a drop in gun related violence, no they haven’t. Today said citizens can’t protect thenselves against criminals, that’s what you want for us right eddie. So sir where is your documented evidence. Today gun laws protect us all, gun confiscation makes sheeple of us all, like you, leaving guns in the hands of the criminal, police, and military. Eddie are you going to protect us, I would like to see you bring a baseball bat to a gun fight, we’ll see who wins that one.

  • http://None J.B. Williams

    All this could be avoided if the individual states and cities would simply enforce the laws on the books. Whoever commites crime needs to be arrested, tried, prosecuted, sentenced, and that sentence carried out swiftly and immediately. Failure to do any of these points results in disinchantment among the public and failure on the government’s part to provide justice and closure only turns the people to committing acts of violence themselves. So bottom line is you do your job and the public will cooperate and support you.

    • meteorlady

      The sad part of all this is that there are so many laws on the books and so little money to enforce them.

      • independant thinker

        Money heck, they do not even have the desire to enforce the existing laws most of the time.

  • http://None J.B. Williams

    Somebodys is getting compensated by somebody in order to commit these crimes, or the judicial system has been so lax for so long that criminals no longer fear the mandated consequences for committing crimes. Before 1990 school shootings were unheard of. Why did they start in the 1990′s? Why? Because somebody wanted the Second Amendment abolished. So who had the money, muscle and power to make that happen? Come on now, think.

  • Butch

    The only way they can control us and make us do what they want is to disarm us. Maybe they are trying to start a war within our country- because trying to disarm us is the surest way to start one.

    • 45caliber

      I’ve wondered if that isn’t part of the reason that they have been so lenient to the Muslims. They are hoping to start a war here between Christians and Muslims. Then they can declare martial law and do whatever they want.

      • eddie47d

        The only ones I hear wanting a war between Muslim Americans and Christians are right wing Christians themselves and a few extremist Muslims. There are Nationalists within all religions who are eager for war.

        • 45caliber

          I said I wonder. And I do. What people say and what they do are certainly not always the same thing. It’s what they DO that counts – not what they say.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            8i guess nobody gave you the notice. eddie can now read your mind and tell that that is what you want!!!

  • Teresa

    Funny how someone how lied about being a war hero can discredit a gun so much now isn’t it????
    I find that the love for money is the true cause of this mans road to self destruction.
    As I have stated over and over again, it is not a mans words that defy him it is his actions and this man is no different than our current administration. If you stand for something, stand w/conviction, do not wavier. Now, research his background…where and who does he stand with? Look only to his business dealings, tis not that hard to find…trust me, we are not his friends and OUR interest is not what he has in mind!

  • Raggs

    That truck needs a few bullet holes in it!

    • Doc Sarvis

      A violent scare tactic that borders (or crossed over to) on hate speech.

      • Raggs

        What are you trying to say?… I can’t express an opinion about a truck?

        • Doc Sarvis

          I did not say that you can’t say what you did. I just called it the way I see it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Doc,
            Being a proctologist all you see is the dark, dank, insides of……..

      • Brad

        As usual Doc trying to stir things up, want to talk about hate speach just look at Wisconsin and what the unions and democrats are saying in front of the capital, you sir are a hypocrite.

        • Doc Sarvis

          I sir, have nothing to do with WI.

          • Raggs

            Doc you did not answer my question.. So I take it as that it is OK for you to have an opinion just no one else.

          • Doc Sarvis

            My answer is placed above.

  • Al Sieber

    Bloomberg needs to move to China.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Seems like the key terms here are legal vs. illegal. What is wrong with getting illegal weapons off the street?

    • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

      What is your definition of illegal weapon?

    • Raggs

      What a joke… Define “illegal weapons”… A weapon used in an unlawfull act?… If that is the case NO weapon is illegal UNTIL it has been used to commit a crime! And then the odds are that the police will have that weapon as with the crimminal in lock up.

      • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

        So you’re saying a weapon is only illegal IF it is used in a crime?

        • Raggs

          No thats not what I’m saying I just cannot figure out what doc determines as legal or illegal.

          • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

            That’s what I was waiting on before you jumped in. The whole issue of “illegal gun” is a fluke. It’s only the “possession” of particular types of guns or suppressors (or all guns in certain jurisdictions), or possession by specified prohibited individuals that is “illegal”. You can’t legislate morality on a piece of machinery. Assaulting someone without cause is a crime, REGARDLESS of the weapon used, but it’s easy for the anti’s to blame the infamous “illegal gun” for committing said crime rather than deal with the shitbird who hurts somebody.

          • 45caliber

            RandyH:

            When Clinton was in office, one of his officials stated that guns were a virus. When people had access to them, the guns would cause the otherwise honest people to commit crimes. But if you eliminated the “virus” (the guns) then no one would commit crimes since they wouldn’t be infected…

          • eddie47d

            Okay Randy,Now if Raggs shoots into that truck and kills someone then he is then the shit-bird,right?

        • JC in CA

          The definition of ‘weapon’ (per dictionary.com and embellished )

          –noun
          1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, , or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon or .

          seems like anything could be a ‘weapon’. Even ‘Riddick’ has killed with a ‘tea cup’. Some people have their hands and feet as ‘registered weapons’.

          The point is ‘wrongful’ acts/actions by persons or property against other persons and property have been defined in all societies for 1000′s of years. It falls on the ‘beliefs’ of the societies that guide and substantiate the actions of those societies.

          These ‘beliefes’ are learned and accepted through many mechanisms of the societies. Do I believe a thief’s hands should be severed from his body? No. However some do.

          We all define ourselves by our actions. bloomie’s and his ilk alike, define themselves by their actions and there we have the crux… Who is ‘right’? I believe we all have the God-given right to defend ourselves and loved ones from ‘wrongful acts’. To remove this function from a society, as history shows and is showing, reduces that society to a dithered and unstable state.

          Be well and God bless you all.

          JC

          • 45caliber

            It’s been several years but I once heard that the government definition of an “assault rifle” is:

            “Any weapon that has ever been used in battle anywhere in the world in any time period.”

            That pretty well even covers rocks …

          • Brad

            45caliber,

            Does that mean my german K98k is an assualt weapon to include my O3-A3, both were used in battle 65+ years ago.

          • 45caliber

            Was any like them used in combat anywhere in the world? Then they are assualt rifles. Actually, I doubt if you could find ANYTHING that doesn’t fall under this definition at one time or another.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC in CA,
            I guess there’s just gonna be a few men and women that are gonna be missing some registered hands and feet!!!! the progs might be scared by them so we can’t have that!!!

    • Al Sieber

      Because Doc, he can’t even clean up his own cesspool of a city where you aren’t allowed to protect yourself. he needs to take care of his own problems and leave the other states alone.

      • 45caliber

        I agree.

    • meteorlady

      I have guns that are unregistered. They were purchased a long time ago when we were truly free. I haven’t been out killing people either so what’s your point?

    • 45caliber

      Doc:

      I have absolutely no problem with getting illegal guns off the streets. However what he wants is to take them away from the law abiding citizens as if that is the answer.

      They did that in England and collected thousands of guns they destroyed. I saw a comment by a British official not long ago. He said there were as many or more guns in England today as before they banned them. The main differences were that the guns now were fully automatic AK-47s imported from Russia and the gangs all had them instead of honest citizens.

      • Brad

        Hey 45caliber,

        Dos needs to read this link http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html statistics prove that banning/buy back of guns in Australia realy hasn’t worked.

        • Brad

          Doc needs to read it, sorry for the typo

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Brad,
            I think you got it right the first time! It stands for dept. of $hit!!!

      • independant thinker

        One could make ther argument that there are no illegal guns only illegal posession of guns.

  • Ted Crawford

    This poor delusional individual Bloomberg is mistaken on so many levels! He claims that gun deaths are reduced by gun control. While that is often true, what he doesn’t tell us is that in these same areas violent crimes, including deaths, usually increase in those same areas. Criminals simply use other methods to inflict the harm! The difference being that now they have unarmed victims!
    In an obvious example of his lack of deductive reasoning he states that most of the guns used in violent crimes are obtain through illegal means. So Michael, passing yet another law will do what to control that situation!
    All this is occuring even as the city struggles with budget problems! He is clearly not up to handling the problems his city faces and is trying to deflect the peoples attention from his inadequacys!

    • meteorlady

      Didn’t someone just go crazy in his city with a knife and kill numerous people? Hmmmmmm…. we should have a waiting period for knives too then.

      • 45caliber

        Sadly, England now does have a law banning knives due to this reasoning. In fact, their law states it is illegal to have anything with a point or an edge. Finger nail clippers are illegal since they have an edge. Nail files have points. They have even arrested one man for a too-sharp point (it was manufactured that way) on his umbrella! Pencils are illegal as are ink pens for the same reason.

        And you are 16 times more likely to be a victim of a crime there in London than you are even in New York City here.

        • eddie47d

          Switchblades were a problem in America back in the 50′s. They were banned and I haven’t heard of a switchblade killing in 40 years. Then the tough guys turned to Saturday night specials and for the most part they were banned. Killings from Saturday night specials dropped so to say awareness or banning doesn’t discourage the trouble makers is rather lame. Sure the punks will turn to another object but it does slow them down. Because of lax laws and easy access the punks now have glock nines. So attacking Bloomberg will solve precious little except to make you feel good.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            Switchblades were actually never a problem. Some of the early gangs liked them but they were already banned. I can rig any pocket knife to open as fast or faster than any switchblade. The “Saturday night specials” weren’t banned because people were getting killed with them. They were banned because they were cheap guns that even the poor could afford. The point of most changes in gun laws is to keep them too expensive for the average poor person to buy. (They were also notoreously inaccurate.) The number of gun deaths due to these guns dropped but not the number of gun deaths. The shooters simply bought better guns.

          • 45caliber

            That’s exactly what the gangs in England have done, too. They buy fully auto AK-47s from Russia instead of some small pistol or rifle. And they carry knives there too. It is the honest people who are at a disadvantage, not the gangs.

          • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

            No option given to reply to your response reference raggs shooting the truck. Of course he would be.

          • Jim C.

            While we’re talking about guns and knives…. People throw molotov coctails (gasoline in a bottle). So we should ban gasoline too? What about baseball bats, crow bars, tire irons, croquet mallets, hammers, ice pics, automobiles, rope, cigarette lighters, bug spray, and rat poison. All of which have been used to kill people. Am I forgetting anything?

            The six most misused words in the US are, “There ought to be a law!” Once you ban everything, we will have no freedoms.

  • B. Holmes

    I am happy and satisfied that Bumburg has all the problems solved in New York and can now expand to the rest of the U.S. When in New York, I plan to be inside with the door locked after dark, walk only on busy streets, and be watchful at all times. Thanks Bumburg. It was Rudy Guilliano who even made it possible to visit N.Y. at all since the ’60s. Thanks Bumburg.

  • meteorlady

    Peaceful societies do not need general gun bans, and violent societies do not benefit from them.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct.

  • meteorlady

    He should clean up his own city. It’s a cesspool. I would not walk the streets for that city after dark, and some places during the day, because it’s not safe. Why is he spending all this money to stick his nose in other people’s business?

    If I follow his logic we should outlaw pencils because they sometimes misspell words.

  • BigBadJohn

    I do not think guns should be banned, however I do not think convicted criminals should be allowed to buy guns. I also do not think someone who is clinically disillusion or physcotic should be allowed to buy guns. The fact is some gun dealers will sell to anyone even if they know they are selling to convicted criminals.

    What is Bloomberg proposing?

    “The mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, today called for the imposition of universal background checks on anyone buying a gun in America, in an attempt to reduce the daily bloodletting that he said amounted to a national calamity.”

    Since everyone here seems to be against background checks does that mean you approve of gun dealers selling guns to anyone including convicted criminals?

    • Raggs

      I would say that the proposal is a start to complete control.
      If you give up your rights to the government to decide rather you are fit mentally or physically to own a gun soley based on thier personal opinion of you than every average citizen will be forced to prove that they are worthy… Guilty until proven innocent…

    • Dan az

      BBJ
      No convicted criminals cant buy guns! And as far as unstable people buying guns who is to say that you are stable?This smoke and mirrors show is just to take your eyes off whats coming like the treaty that billary signed with the UN to ban all guns world wide!When guns where banned millions had died for the lack of protection.Im sure you have a gun and its legally registered right?And if you carry an extra clip with it will that be illegal to?The days of single shots or gone with the muskets and in the future maybe we wont have the need for bullets then would they outlaw the use of lasers?Guns dont kill people if they did there would be more of them in jail!

    • 45caliber

      BBJ:

      I too believe that criminals shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun. And – believe it or not – it is against the law. Now tell me, why aren’t the criminals paying attention to that law? And, since they don’t, why should anyone believe that if guns are banned all the criminals will give them up?

      I also don’t believe that anyone who has mental problems should have a gun. But as far as I know, there is NO way to stop them since the feds insist it is an invasion of their privacy to make lists of such people.

      And – believe it or not – if any gun dealer is caught selling a gun illegally, he gets to go to jail. So if there are gun dealers out there doing that, why aren’t they in jail?

      Or are you saying that we should ban all guns and all gun dealers because we catch a couple of dealers a year breaking the law? If you are, then all of us should lose our drivers’ license since a few drunks do every year too.

      • BigBadJohn

        45
        And – believe it or not – if any gun dealer is caught selling a gun illegally, he gets to go to jail. So if there are gun dealers out there doing that, why aren’t they in jail?
        *********************************

        AGREE but it happens all of the time, mostly at gun shows and the like. How are gun dealers supposed to find convicted criminals if they are not required to run a background check?

        BUT it should be state level – not federal. I knew a gun dealer in NC, he would run background checks and keep records in his office. He always said if the fed came looking for gun owners, he would just burn his records.

        • independant thinker

          If you are a dealer you HAVE to run a background check no matter where you sell the gun. The dealer has to maintain records showing how each firearm leaves his business whether sold, transfered to another dealer, returned to manufacturer, etc. He also has to maintain records showing he did a background check on each firearm sold to an individual. Again this applies to EVERY firearm he sells no matter the location of the sale.

        • 45caliber

          BBJ:

          Have you ever visited a gun show and watched for awhile? All gun dealers – even at shows – MUST verify if the buyer is on the “don’t sell” list the FBI has before they can complete the sale. And there are enough real police at such places to insure that gun dealers don’t attempt to sell to criminals. They know better. Besides, criminals don’t go to gun shows to buy a gun. They know the cops are there. They buy their guns on the street – and those are already illegal.

          Gun dealers have records showing that they bought the guns to sell. If nothing else, the manufacturers have those records. The dealers aren’t interested in a gun that can be traced to them be used in a crime without any record showing how it left their hands. The whole trouble with gun shows – as far as the liberals are concerned – is that there are a lot of guns in one place and a citizen can get a good look at everything available before he buys one. It is the same reason they are against teaching kids in school about gun safety. They might like to get one later when they grow up.

          • Raggs

            .45…. BBJ seen it on T.V. so it must be true!

          • 45caliber

            Yeah, I agree. Too many people believe whatever they see on TV.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      BBJ,
      you say that, but did you know in some states you are a convicted criminal if you get caught spanking you child?? you can even be arrested and convicted for yelling at your wife!! Both are, in some cases, considered domestic violence and that my friend, can ban you for life from EVER owning a weapon! when the government checks your background and sees a domestic violence conviction, they don’t bother to check what it is, they just refuse the right!!

  • David in MA

    I sat for an hour with a loaded firearm on a kitchen table, and guess what? It never harmed me! Can ya believe that?

    bloomburg should start rounding up the criminals in N.Y. and maybe that would reduce crimes committed with those big bag guns….

    Ever wonder if bloomburg belongs to the illuminitti, foreign relations committee, G-20 or any of those groups who really have no interest in America remaining strong and free? I have wondered.

    Hay, Ya’ll, I understand bozo obaamaa and his FCC take control of the internet today—-and if you send something they do not like, they can pull the plug and you go flat-line! ______________________ Nada!

    I think the have been pullin their plug for a long time now and it’s gone beyond needing glasses…….

  • dsiv

    I was accidently shot years back by a young man who purchased a shotgun. He didn’t realize it was loaded, he touched the trigger and it went off,i took over half the pellets from my head to my legs. That was an experience i will never forget. I couldn’t handle a gun for a long time after that, but I do own a shotgun now for my protection in my home and when i go out in the lands. One must be responsible for their actions with the weapon they own, if not then they are the ones who are in the wrong and must be dealt with like that young man that accidently shot me!. Learn the do’s and don’ts, proper handling, training I believe is the right way and most do this, teaching properly. IT IS OUR RIGHT TO BARE ARMS AND NO GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL CAN TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WITHOUT VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION.

    • 45caliber

      There are some simple gun handling rules that many people do not know or do.

      1st: ALWAYS, always, Always, (did I say Always?) check a gun to see if it is loaded the moment you pick it up.

      2nd: Make sure the gun is unloaded the moment you pick it up.

      3rd: Never ever point a gun even by accident in the general direction of something that you do not intend to shoot. (I taught my kids to point it at their own foot. Then if they fired it, only they suffered.)

      4th: Always make sure the gun is unloaded the moment you pick it up.

      5th: Always make certain the gun is unloaded before you lay it down again.

      • dsiv

        I agree, never point a gun at someone unless it down right necessary. Always check your gun to make sure if unloaded or loaded, if kids around make sure it is locked up away from them so they can’t play with it, this has happened too many times, and if they do handle it is because they are with the parent who is teaching them the proper way of shooting/handling and it isn’t a play toy..the young man who accidently shot me had brought the shotgun in a room that had several people and he was looking at it and it was pointed downward but he never checked to see if loaded and splatter..learn the right way of handling a gun is an important aspect of gun ownership..

      • independant thinker

        You forgot one thing 45, that is ALWAYS believe a firearm is loaded until you have personaly checked to see if it is loaded or confirmed it is unloaded.

        • Teresa

          Golden rule: Never pick up a gun except to clean or to kill! or target practice:)

          • Charles B

            Hi Teresa, You forgot Self-defense and defense of another. I will shoot to kill any intruder into my home. If I see someone trying to rob and/or kill someone then I shall spring to their defense with all of my capabilities. This goes for you too Teresa. LOL Have a good year.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Teresa,
            I have shown my gun to many of my friends and to do so, I had to pick it up??? JUST MAKE SURE IT IS UNLOADED, IT HAS NO BULLETS IN IT, OR THERE IS NO AMMO IN IT!!!!

  • http://?? SFC Drake, AZ

    No 45cal. Not even at themselves. I see your intent but NO not even at themselves. Try an NRA or boy scout class for your kids to learn the basics. They will be thought better of when they get out in the world.

    • SGT JIM

      I have one simple first rule of firearm safety: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNLOADED GUN. If everyone adhered to this simple rule when they pick up a firearm, accidental shootings would be very rare, indeed.

      • 45caliber

        Agreed. I do the same – and I teach the same.

    • 45caliber

      SFC:

      I did tell my kids to shoot their own foot if they wanted to be careless. Don’t worry, they knew exactly the point I was making – and they didn’t point it at their own feet either.

      Incidently, I started teaching my kids gun safety at age 1-1/2. It isn’t hard. I simply stood one of them right beside me when I shot at a gallon milk jug full of water. The loud noise and the water pouring out convinced them to leave a gun alone.

      I was almost shot by a kid who didn’t know gun safety when I was a kid myself. He had the gun pointed at my stomache and was pulling the trigger when I shoved it to one side. It missed by less than an inch. Then he had the gall to tell me that he thought I was kidding when I told him it was loaded and to leave it alone.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        I love the way the milk jugs explode when you put the cap on them full of water!!!

  • JUSTIN ON OTR

    WHAT I’M LOST ABOUT,IS THOSE THAT CAUSE CRIME’S WITH GUN, NEVER FACE THE CHARGES THE TRUE LEGAL GUN OWNER FACE. WE SUPPORT CRIMES BY ILLEGAL GUN OWNER’S BUT A MAN ENJOYS HUNTING SHOULD HAVE HIS GUN’S TAKEN. IT’S LIKE MEXICO CARTEL HAS MORE CONTROL OF OUR BORDER THEN OUR BORDER PATROL, AND WE DON’T LET OUR PATROL CARRY GUN’S. WE LOCK UP AMERICANS FOR RAPING CHILDREN,BUT WE SEND ILLEGALS BACK TO THE OPEN BORDER,TO RETURN AND DO IT AGAIN, THEN TELL US AMERICANS WE DON’T NEED GUNS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN. AFTER THE AMERICAN DONE HIS TIME,WE MAKE SURE SHERIFFS OFFICERS KNOW WHERE HE IS, THE ILLEGAL RAPIST IS RUNNING FREE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD OR MINE. MAKES ONE THINK WHAT RIGHT’S AMERICAN’S REALLY HAVE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

    • eddie47d

      Once a rapist is arrested and convicted whether legal or illegal is incarcerated. So how is that person going to be running around your neighborhood? You are selling the politics of fear. Just like Gov. Walker who is blaming the problems in Wisconsin on Unions. He is taking a mistake he made (tax breaks that back fired)and using it as an excuse to do union busting. How about Gov.Brewers phony beheadings story to put fear into the anti-immigrant crowd? Maybe you were enthralled by Palin’s death panels spiel to put fear into the anti-Obama folks.Then there is the constant rancor from pro-gun groups that everyone’s guns are being taken away by Bloomberg. So who is really distorting reality? Who are the ones not telling the whole story?

      • 45caliber

        You are sure that the illegals are locked away? Really?

        Actually, they are – for six months or a year or so. Until the INS gets around to taking them out. They very seldom spend a quarter of the time in jail that an American does for the same crime. About the only time we keep them is if they are sentenced to the death penalty.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          45caliber,
          Wasn’t it just last week that an illegal who was arrested on charges of murder, was just arrested again for the same crime??? the courts let him out on bail and INS didn’t take him into custody! He just walked away!!!

      • 45caliber

        eddie, eddie, eddie:

        “Phony beheading story”? Bloomberg doesn’t want to take guns away?

        Exactly where have you been for the last several years?

        There are MANY real beheading stories coming from Mexico. And a few from our side of the border. Perhaps your local news services don’t run them but they do here. It is the favorite way for many Mexican gangs to try to intimidate others. The MS-13 gang (not Mexican) use machetes for the same reason even though they have guns. And that isn’t all that is done. About five years ago a Mexican gang in San Antonio strapped a man down to a table and then cut man and table in half with a chainsaw. They are not nice gentle criminals.

        As far as Wisconsin is concerned, I don’t know all the story there yet – but I’m learning. I’ll reserve judgement there for awhile yet.

        And Bloomberg (and his friends) have stated several times that their ultimate goal is to prevent any civilian from owning a gun. So I believe them. If you don’t, that’s your business but don’t try to insist that I don’t believe them either.

        • eddie47d

          I was only referring to Brewer’s comments on the beheadings in Arizona (which there weren’t any) Not anything that was going on in Mexico. Thus the politics of fear.

          • Raggs

            eddie.. how about putting your pinky toe across the border and see how long that it takes you to be a stub.

          • independant thinker

            I missed Gov. brewers comment on beheadings so cannot comment on it but I do remember hearing of a few beheadings in Arizona and New Mexico in the last year or two.

      • Brad

        Eddie47d,

        A sex offender is a sex offender no matter what, if he/she has been tried and convicted then sentenced to prison then once out they have to register as a sex offender with their local police department. I have to small daughters, my wife and I don’t allow them to play alone outside, want to know why, there are ten registered sex offenders living within a 5 mile radious of my house one just two houses down from mine. Once they’re out they can basically do what ever they want, but of course within the law.

        Right now your are the only one selling fear, all we are doing is making statements about current situations, well sir I’m free and will stay that way until the day I die. You on the other hand can live how ever you want just don’t tread on my constitutional rights and I won’t tread on yours, you sir need a wake up call. People kill people guns don’t, so, answer me this people get behind the wheel of cars every single day and those people have killed others with said cars, why aren’t you up in arms wanting to ban cars because as you would say cars kill people?

        • eddie47d

          Because cars are registered and you need a license and a test to drive that car. There are controls over the usuage of a car and those same controls need to be placed or enforced on guns. Car owners (insurance co’s) pay dearly when the usuage of a car is abused (accident,DUI’s) Those who abuse the use of a gun don’t always get punished for they can always hide the gun. No evidence no punishment. It’s harder to trace who is at fault in a gun accident or crime because of widely varying laws. With a car it is more obvious. There will always be deaths from cars and guns and neither need to be banned only controlled for the safety of all.

          • independant thinker

            Show me where in the constitution it says we have the right to a car or any other type of transportation.

          • Brad

            Edie47d,

            Your point is mute, do you know how many unregistered vehicles are on our roads today, 10-15%, I don’t it’s an educated guess. Now, of the unregistered vehicles how many drivers are behind the wheel without a valid drivers license, probably the same number and again it’s an educated guess. Today their are more drivers on the road without valid liability insurance, each state requires it, that’s why I keep both my vehicles fully insured, just incase. So you would have all legal cars turned in and crushed leaving the legal citizen to take public transportation, that’s your case? The same goes to the citizen owning a gun, all my guns are registered, I fill out the paperwork every time I buy a gun. So again eddie47d what is your point, that’s right you let your union bosses and democrat politicians make those decisions for you only because you can’t or won’t think for yourself. Good Day Sir!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Brad,
          you’re doing GOOD, man! We have a service here where you can register with the sherrifs office and they will notify you if a sex offender moves within one to five miles of you, which ever range you register for. I have about fifteen registered sex offenders within two miles of my house and at least ten say offense with underage child! I’d have made sure they wouldn’t re-offend if they had touched my kids!!

    • 45caliber

      Justin:

      As far as keeping the illegal rapists is concerned; most of the time they do try to keep illegals who rape Americans for some time. Not as long as they do Americans since the politicians like emptying out the prisons but a couple of years at least.

      But if they rape another illegal, they are sent back to Mexico after about six months. The reason? The family of the raped person is given time to know who did it and when they get back to Mexico. They generally meet the plane. And those they do meet usually end up in some forgotten grave somewhere. Our law officials know it and approve since it keeps them out of our hair and off our taxes. But you won’t get one of our law officials to say so – it is bad PC.

  • Bill

    New York Is a pitfall to the rest of America, more liberal bull shit comes from there then San Fransisco and Los Angeles together and they produce a lot! This New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg Is in the pocket of World Order pack Obummer supports so much, George Soros the funder of so many attacks on free America, I wonder why he hates Free America so much, oh thats right because he cant use his little profit gaining tricks he used against WW2′s Jews as he sold them out to make his ill gotten fortune, here is one of Satons threw demons, just under him is Obummer. Rank and file. A free America can crush him and his evil deciles. that is why Families must be destroyed, the Constitution destroyed, the Working mans jobs must be destroyed and America watered down on Patriotism in the schools and Colleges and a open border to bring in others to weaken the system with there vast numbers and promise of a promised land paid for by the American tax payer, you all know there evils!!! just ask this bunch or those they teach or bring in. all for the Fall of the America we know and love for his profit.

  • JUSTIN ON OTR

    THIS RETARD WANTS TO TELL AMERICANS HOW MUCH SALT INTAKE AMERICANS CAN HAVE IN NEW YORK, BUT IT’S OK FOR HIM TO SALT IT UP. NEW YORK LIB’S REALLY NEED TO MOVE TO CALFORINA, THEY COME UP WITH LAWS TO CONTROL PEOPLE LIFES, WHAT’S NEXT AMERICANS NEED TO HAVE A COP HOLD THEIR HAND TO CROSS THE STREET.. OOOOOPS DON’T WANT TO GIVE ANY NEW IDEA’S TO CONTROL HUMAN’S AND AMERICAN’S

    • 45caliber

      No, they don’t want to have a cop hold your hand crossing the street. After all, they will be the first to tell you that a cop is not required to defend you – even as they tell you to depend upon the cops for protection instead of getting a gun to defend yourself.

      There was a case in New York city a few years ago that highlighted that for me. A good citizen was stabbed twenty something times in his own apartment by a man who broke in. The criminal thought he was dead when he turned to attack his wife. The citizen crawled to a couch, pulled a (illegal) gun from under a cushion, and shot the criminal in the leg. The gun was illegal because the owner didn’t have a permit to own it. The prosecutor tried to send the owner to jail and let the criminal off. He insisted that he had to stop “home based vigilantyism” and that if the criminal had killed him and his wife, they would find and punish the criminal. He shouldn’t have tried to do it himself. (Luckily the judge threw it out.)

  • Bitter Libertarian

    The problem with this criminal political mentality is that in his mind he really believes that a Criminal will comply with the law, and register his guns, or go through legal means to get them. How wacked is that!
    Now, If that isnt his logic then there is ONLY one other option to conclude…he wants no honest law abiding citizen to own a gun.

    The result would be the same as the war on drugs…as soon as they make it illegal, they create a black market where criminals can now make 3-5x the profit! More stupidity…

  • Bob

    Let Bloomberg’s bodyguards give up their guns first.

    • 45caliber

      I fully agree. I’ve been saying that for years. Interestingly enough, EVERY gun control person I’ve heard about either carrys a gun or has armed guards all the time…

    • independant thinker

      I say not only should the bodyguards give up their firearms bur Bloomberg should give up ALL his bodyguards.

  • Joey Biden

    Michael Bloomberg, George Soros and Rebbeca Peters to name a few, are a virus to our country. They are working every day to disarm America. If you love freedom and the United States, do what ever you can to stop these evil people from destroying our freedoms and the right to bear arms

  • mom1954

    I THINK THIS IS A TWO-FOLD PROGRAM. MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL AND MAKE ILLEGAL ALIENS LEGAL. WE ARE BEING SLOWLY INVADED FROM MEXICO WITHOUT A SHOT BEING FIRED. ASK YOURSELF IF IRAN WAS SENDING OVER 12 TO 13 MILLION PEOPLE TO THIS COUNTRY WOULD OUR GOVERMENT LOOK AT IT AS AN INVASION OR WOULD THEY JUSTIFY THEM COMING IN LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE? THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR GUNS SO WE HAVE NO DEFENCE AGAINST THIS INVADING HORDE. AND GOOD OLD HARRY REID DOESN’T HAVE TIME TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF ILLEGALS(WHOM HE THANKED FOR ELECTING HIM) HE’S TOO BUSY TRYING TO CLOSE OUR BROTHELS NOW. MAYBE HIS DISCOUNT COUPONS EXPIRED.

  • TIME

    This little con artist should be in jail along with his buddy Billions Madof.

  • Macawma

    That truck will get a real warm welcome here in Oklahoma…Bahahahahah

    • 45caliber

      If the driver is stupid enough to even enter Texas I’ll be surprised.

  • Macawma

    And who’s paying for the cost of the thing anyway???

    • 45caliber

      The taxpayers, of course.

      • independant thinker

        Hey 45, do you watch “Sons of Guns” on Discovery channel? Pretty interesting show.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          independant thinker,
          Loved that suppressed AK they had!!! Or that door unlocker they made!!!

  • Charles F Higgs

    Time this hypocrite steps up.When is he going to let his security detail go back to protecting the regular citizens of New York and not his privileged behind? Hey mayor all you should need for your security is your cell phone, You know just dial 911, good luck with that you phony piece of s@#t!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Charles F. Higgs,
      The answer to that is just as soon as he grows a pair. We all know though that a MAN never grows a pair post birth! He either has them or he don’t!!Bloombag don’t!!

  • Charles B

    Michael Bloomberg is a traitor because he want to tear up the Constitution of the United States and establish a communist style government in this country. He should be put in prison for the rest of his miserable life.

  • Raggs

    Bloomberger watches way too much T.V.!

  • Raggs

    Does anyone see how that the far left conscrew and twist things. Take my post above about the truck… I stated that the truck needs a few bullet holes in it… The left would have everyone think that I said I would shoot the driver… way out of context and using ones opinion instead of the facts!… That my people is how the far left is… Bloomberg is no different add obama to that as well.

    • eddie47d

      YOU watch too much TV; and you said it so take responsibility for being a smartazz (about truck) or don’t say it at all.

      • Raggs

        Grow up.

  • Raggs

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4553125/obama-administration-wont-enforce-defense-of-marriage-act/#/v/4553125/obama-administration-wont-enforce-defense-of-marriage-act/?playlist_id=87937

    Point in case… This link…

    I can state that ” it looks like obama is coming out of the closet”..
    The key word here is “LOOKS”.. looks is ones own opinion..
    The left is so hellbent on political correctness that they fade the truth to thier advantage… In a dictatorship I would be sent to death by my statement, many leftist would likewise see no harm in murdering a citizen in the name of “GOOD”.

  • pkdavis

    Here’s an idea–have a vehicle follow it around with a sign saying how many unborn babies “are murdered, but not with guns” every day.

  • http://com i41

    Raggs, you said bullet holes, you didn’t say the holes were egressing or ingressing the vehicle. Did you ever see how well a pot belly stove gets shined up with a box of .22 shells are thrown in on a fire? When I was 5 we lived way out in the country and my Dad was always buying boxes of .22 shells for hunting coyotes, jack rabbits and any other game even deer. It was in late Jan. and my Mom told me to throw the paper sacks in the stove which I did, only it had a 200 count box of long rifle shell in one of the sacks. Sounded like a popcorn party dinging the sides of the stove. 2 slugs did poke a hole exiting the stove pipe. Best way to take care of gangs is catch them with a gun, send them to hell on the spot, like cattle rustlers were handled in the early years. Catch a group tet their hands for gun powder residue, they get the same treatment. Just like why don’t USA put .50 cal. Barretts on hill tops 3 miles a part, see a group of mules packing and walking with armed scum, A-10 their azzes, leave straggles for shaerp shooters.

    • Raggs

      Your correct.. It was an ASSUMPTION on the party of the left that concluded an end ( that suits them ) without even taking into account any of the facts… I can base a theory on anything that I wish as long as someone else is willing to believe it.. That is what the democratic party does!… obama is an idealogical ass, plain and simple… his followers are fools, plain and simple.. So… what puts a power hungry idealogical “person” in power?… Fools.
      Using the assumption of “good” and not knowing the definition.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Raggs, speaking of obama, does anyone wonder where the 2 billion bucks worth of firepower that he sold to Egypt in 2009 has gone???

        Why would a guy who wants to rid the world of weaponary sell them to Egypt? I could make a few guesses but I’m not a prog so I’ll let everyone make there own assumptions…

        I’m sure they’ll turn up somewhere soon.

        • Raggs

          Sorry.. I just don’t know the answer to that.
          I think that we all know however that the US has been in the bag for many countries.

    • Raggs

      Raggs, you said bullet holes, you didn’t say the holes were egressing or ingressing the vehicle.

      Why did you ask me that i41?

      Are you attempting to catch me in a spin? I will leave you with your assumption.

  • http://com i41

    Raggs you said the truck needed a few bullet holes, never siad you or who ever put them in the truck. Could have been the socialist left, to cover up Bloombergs gun ownership. Don’t know what you think my assumptions were, so now I need to ask are you really spinning or is parania setting in?

    • Raggs

      Damm, funny my post reflected the same thing as your thought…
      I do wonder and know that the left is always waiting to pounce on anyone that they find in disagreement with their agenda but I really dont give a shit what they think.
      We all see a culo de chango’s the difference is the mask that they wear.

      So that being said… I’m not paranoid at all! the left however love to put traps in the path so I’m a bit carefull of where I step. they you know call themselves your friend but…

  • Raggs

    Paranoid…
    This country has gone bat shit with paranoid idiots. So here comes the Gestapo to fix the problem… Make damm sure nobody ever mentions a bullet hole in a truck!…

  • http://personaliberty.com Rusty

    “This year will go down in history. For the first time in history, a
    civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be
    safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead
    into the future.

    Adolf Hitler- 1935
    Bloombery- 2011

    Obama can take credit for selling more guns than any man in history

    • Raggs

      Rusty … Maybe thats what he meant by stimulus?

      • http://personaliberty.com Rusty

        Good point!

  • Raggs

    i41.. I’m going to be a man and say that I’m sorry if we had a word out of place or a misunderstanding.

    We have a much larger problem to deal with, The democrats want to strip us from our rights in order for them to gain in power over us.
    I will never stand for that.. The people of this country must never stand for ANY law regardless of how or who it is deemed by that will restrict us from our freedom from tyranny.

  • Jerry O

    This converstation is about more than gun control/confiscation. Gun Control is a part of a greater danger. Look up the “Bilderbergs” and “Illuminati”. There is an organized movement to impose an “New World Order” , i.e. World Government, upon us. The elimination of civilian ownership of guns by the UN is part of the NWO. Our own leaders are involved. Obama is the most open advocate of this of any of our Presidents, but many of the past presidents were/are complicit. The “North American Union” is the beginning of the NWO in the western hemisphere. Gloogle “Amero”. It may already be too late. The New Testament book of Revelation may now be coming true.

  • John P.

    I could put 100 weapons (hand gun , rifle etc.in front of me unless some a’ hole pulls the trigger the gun is not going to fire. So who do think kills people? That is a no brainer.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    So Bloomturd is going to launch a nationwide crusade against the 2nd Amendment?? It would be nice if he’d travel to Florida or other southern states, where perhaps he could be greeted with signs reading: “We don’t care how you do it up North”!! Better yet, let him travel to Kennessaw, GA. A good sign would read: “We have a gun law – all competent citizens were required to own guns…..and our crime rate fell by over 50%”!! I sure wish I could relocate away from this city, to a more sane and rational political environment. New Yorkers are so ignorant to keep re-electing not only democraps, but also a mayor like Bloomturd who thumbed his nose at our term limit laws. Remember the disastrous 11/4/2008 election in which the theme was “Hope and CHANGE”?? Of course, it would be great if New Yorkers would wise up and use that theme. It’s clear that the statists and democraps have been in power for years, and their policies have been a disaster. …..New York, you really need CHANGE!!

  • Vicki

    Hey guys. You know those guns that turn up in Mexico crime scenes that the ATF traced back to US sales? Guess what. The ATF knew and approved of the sales and deliberately let them pass to Mexico.

    http://oregonfirearms.org/alertspage/2011/02.24.11%20alert.html

    I think they did it so they COULD have those high numbers of guns on their statistics.

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