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Gun Defense Group Offers Support To Zimmerman

April 3, 2012 by  

Gun Defense Group Offers Support To Zimmerman
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The National Association for Legal Gun Defense offers George Zimmerman $10,000.

The National Association for Legal Gun Defense (NALGD), a Texas-based group that supports people involved in self-defense cases, has offered to contribute $10,000 toward George Zimmerman’s legal expenses.

While on neighborhood-watch patrol, Zimmerman allegedly shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Reportedly, Zimmerman told police he shot Trayvon in self-defense after the teenager broke his nose and banged his head on the ground.

NAGLD, whose motto is “Others Lobby…We Fight,” offers financial support to law-enforcement officers, hunters and civilians who are involved in gun cases. The group provides legal assistance to its members in the event of a criminal or civil suit. It is unknown whether Zimmerman was a member.

Blue Rannefield, an attorney in Fort Worth, Texas, has tried to contact Zimmerman as well as Zimmerman’s attorney on behalf of the group. Thus far, he has been unsuccessful.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Sirian

    No telling what the end result of this politically/racially based and overly motivated opportune time will bring. Members of Congress have already tried, judged and convicted Zimmerman based on nothing more than racially based idiocy, not facts. Play on the people to retain power – typical, typical, typical. And people are dumb enough to believe and go along with just about anything their Congressmen has to say – they know what’s best all the time, don’t they? Sure they do. . . Let the law be applied as it should – what can be determined from all facts recovered will result in whether or not Zimmerman is arrested and charged. Let it play out on it’s own – we are a land of laws, not a land of men. Remember??

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “Members of Congress have already tried, judged and convicted Zimmerman based on nothing more than racially based idiocy, not facts.”

      FACT: Zimmerman was told to stand down by the police. It’s on the tape.

      FACT: There is a high propability that Zimmerman is a liar. There is a very strong possibility that he wasn’t screaming as he claimed.

      Question to you Sirian: What would you do if you were assaulted by someone as you were walking down the sidewalk with skittles and tea?

      FACT: There has been no evidence submitted that indicates there were any illegal substances in the kid’s body. IOW, he probibly wasn’t staggering and acting like a druggy as was claimed by Zimmerman. More evidence he is a liar.

      Rob

      • Sirian

        Rob,
        You missed the point altogether. What did I say at the end of the post? “Let the law be applied as it should – what can be determined from all facts recovered will result in whether or not Zimmerman is arrested and charged. Let it play out on it’s own. . . “ Once they have accumulated as much evidence as possible and all facts have been received and reviewed a determination by a possible grand jury as whether to arrest, charge and try Zimmerman will come forward. Running off of MSM BS is not very representative of holding within the boundaries of standing laws. Opinions are one thing, mob thought is totally different. Question to you Rob: What would you do if you were assaulted by someone as you were walking down the sidewalk with skittles and tea? Foolish question with an obvious answer. But. . . Question to you Rob: How much actual evidential information do you have as to who initially assaulted who? In simple terms, who threw the first punch? You can’t answer that anymore than I – give it a rest.

      • eddie47d

        Some say that Trayvon’s defenders shouldn’t be so angry in demanding justice.Yet here we have a gun group (NALGD) rushing to defend Zimmerman when they admit they can’t get all the facts they need to pursue the case. Remember it was the NRA who wrote much of Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law. Considering the many troubles that law has caused doesn’t give the NRA much credibility or the lawmakers in accepting it. Anyone can kill whoever they want and claim self defense if no witnesses come forward and claim otherwise. There have been 93 Stand Your Ground incidences in Florida and only 30 have been determined to be self defense. The other 63 are very suspicious but the law puts the ball in the shooters court. That is a recipe for mischief.

      • Robert Smith

        From Sirian who asks: ” initially assaulted who? In simple terms, who threw the first punch? ”

        Zimmerman was told by police to stand down. That is what he should have done.

        If assaulted on a sidewalk I would attempt to return any violence or threats inflicted to the best of my ability. If there is no violence or threat of violence I’d say to any civilian, “None of your busiiness,” and walk on.

        You ask: “How much actual evidential information do you have as to who initially assaulted who? ”

        Good question. Right now we only have Zimmerman’s account and those eye witnesses, but oops there is more. The scientific voice analysis says Zimmerman wasn’t screaming. That’s from TWO separate folks who have had their evidence stand up in court in the past. Thus, Zimmerman is proven to be a liar. It’s also proven that he was a frequent flyer with the police with about 45 calls to them. It’s also proven that he didn’t listen to the police when they told him to stand down.

        So, what is PROVEN beyond much doubt indicates that Zimmerman is a lying nut case with a gun.

        AND! There is no evidence against the kid except what Zimmerman says and “eye witnesses” who haven’t been subjected to any cross examination.

        Zimmerman should be in court, not out on the loose. There IS enough evidence to arrest him.

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Rob & eddie, considering you’re both known anti-gun idiots to start with.

        Sirian said: “Members of Congress have already tried, judged and convicted Zimmerman based on nothing more than racially based idiocy, not facts. Play on the people to retain power – typical, typical, typical. And people are dumb enough to believe and go along with just about anything their Congressmen has to say – they know what’s best all the time, don’t they? Sure they do. . . Let the law be applied as it should – what can be determined from all facts recovered will result in whether or not Zimmerman is arrested and charged. Let it play out on it’s own – we are a land of laws, not a land of men. Remember??”

        I’ll add that the biased anti gun MSM has fueled the “racial” fires as well.

        Fact: Members of Congress as well as high profile individuals like Jackson, Sharpton, Spike Lee and the MSM are clearly promoting a racist agenda in this case. Totally and completely irresponsible.

        Fact: ABC falsely reported that there were no inuries to Zimmerman…noting that Zimmerman told police “he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.” But a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long.

        FACT: NBC News was caught editing the 911 tape to show Zimmerman as a racist of Trayvon Martin shooting.

        I’m not saying that Zimmerman is innocent nor am I saying that Martin is guilty…what I’m saying is drop the anti-gun media induced “guilty of a hate crime” mantra and let the qualified authorities investigate and determine whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent.

        State prosecutors are expected to go before a Seminole County grand jury on April 10 to determine what, if any, files should be charged.

      • Don

        By some chance have you even heard the 911 tape where Zimmerman stopped following when he was told to.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie, who has no credibility whatsoever, says: “Yet here we have a gun group (NALGD) rushing to defend Zimmerman when they admit they can’t get all the facts they need to pursue the case.”

        I guess you’ve come to the conclusion that Zimmerman doesn’t deserve any defense at all, especially by a group as horrible as the NALGD? A stupid comment for sure considering who made it and your misinformed distain for the 2nd Amendment and the NRA and for that matter any issue where a fiream is involved.

        This whole episode has been turned upside down with a racially motivated bias from members of Congress, the MSM and high profile celebrities, whom themselves appear to be racists. racists.

        There are some revealing statistics that can be reviewed here, so ponder this.

        “The August 2007 special report, Black Victims of Violent Crime, produced by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) and found some data speaking to the issue. They report that between 2001 and 2005, 77% of blacks were victimized by other blacks. And in 2005 93% of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks. Pretty disturbing stuff huh?”

        “It may seem logical to make the leap to saying there is something really abnormal about blacks being so violent towards members of their own ethnic group; that is, until you look at the white crime patterns and find similar trends. 70% of white violent crime victims are committed by whites and 85% of white homicide victims were murdered by whites. It appears that intraracial violent crime is actually the norm.”
        http://thecheckup.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/black-on-black-violence-self-hate/

      • james thompson

        hey bobby, to your sophomoric facts i defer to bertrand russell’s essays on the truth of events versus the truth of things. and for how inane and scurillous your post hoc fallacies look and sound i defer to h l mencken!

      • http://www.cleanhouseatnbc.org/ dlb

        Rob, please read and watch this http://www.cleanhouseatnbc.org/ and get an idea of what may have happened that night, as NBC edited the 9-1-1 call to benefit their ratings and push Obummers racist plan.

      • Sirian

        Rob,
        As I said from the get-go, let all evidence be accumulated. From the facts that flow from that allow the “Grand Jury”, State Attorney or the local DA draw a conclusion as to whether there is enough to arrest, try and possibly convict Zimmerman. Has he not agreed to turn himself in peacefully if this is the final decision made? Is that not following the standard rule of law? That’s what is needed, not the outrageous racial/political exploitation that has been going on. The points of “new evidence” that you mentioned were taken from what source? Actual police reports or other legal documents pertaining to or associated with this case? If so, fine – no problem. The more evidence available, one way or the other, is good. If not, then ignore what you’ve heard as nothing more than another possible “skewed” bit of evidence that more then likely has a reliability level of “0”. Keep in mind how NBC edited/manipulated the 911 audio track to make Zimmerman look very much more racially biased then what he truly is. This in turn bolstered the rhetoric of Sharpton, Jackson, NBP’s and several members of Congress – including the President himself. Insofar as what I would do if assaulted – basically the very same as you – as any person would. It’s an instinctive trait called “self defense”. So, out of common sense, does it not seem best to merely sit back and let the gears work this legal question to a final answer? Opinions abound all over the place but if the situation were reversed and you happened to be Zimmerman, what would you prefer as to the manner in which your case may be handled? Standard rule of law or the opposite that seems to be running so loudly? BREAK OUT THE ROPE AND STRING HIM UP!! WE’LL PAY $10,000 FOR HIS HIDE!! GET THAT RACIST SOB!!! Up to you. . .

      • i&etechie

        Since when is a high probability a “fact”?

      • eddie47d

        If you ever comment on Saturday Jeff remember I exposed your credibility. The difference is that only those comments of mine taken off of moderation can be seen(on Saturdays) so you think you are getting away with something. Those other comments of mine are shown on Mondays. Must be a weekend time delay at PLD.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Probation eddie is babbling again. The only thing you’ve ever exposed is your own ignorance…as shown in by your last comment. Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk!

    • MontanaGrandmom

      I was disappointed but not surprized to learn that the MSM was using pictures of the victim & accused that were several years old, leading the public to believe that the victim was a young innocent black boy and the accused was a burly angry white man that had been previously arresting for assaulting an officer. More recent pictures showed much different appearances. Way to go MSM, prime the public to take racial sides.

      I was skeptical early on because they were really pushing the self defence angle. I tried to keep an open mind and let the invesitgators do their jobs, but after listening to over 30 minutes of 911 tapes, it seems quite clear that Zimmerman was instructed by police to ‘not follow’ the young man, but to sit tight and let the police get there and investigate. He was chasing the victim. It was obvious from the tape of Zimmerman’s 911 call that he was doing the racial profiling and pursuing the victim. He was nowhere near his vehicle or even the street. Martin was shot in an area BEHIND the dwellings that had a paved walkeway and back lawns, near someone’s back porch! Now it has been determined that the screams for help were from Martin, NOT Zimmerman. The young man was in fear for HIS life, so if Zimmerman was struck, it was the young man who was defending himself from an attacker, not the other way around.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        MontanaGrandMom says, “Now it has been determined that the screams for help were from Martin, NOT Zimmerman.”

        False, it has not been determined that the screams are Martin’s.
        Two evidence experts consulted by the Sentinel found the voice heard in a 911 call placed by a woman in a home near where the shooting occurred was only a 48 percent match to Zimmerman’s voice. One of the experts, Tom Owen, told the Sentinel to reach a positive match he would expect higher than 90 percent.

        Owen,the chair emeritus at the American Board of Record Evidence, was not able to determine if the voice was that of Martin, the Sentinel reports, because he did not have audio of the teen’s voice to compare to the shouts for help in the 911 call.

    • absolutely amazed

      Let them help the Oakland shooter as well.

    • steve

      looks to me as if the rev and al sharpton have earned a trip for two to gitmo. no deposit no return.

  • Chester

    It appears to me that Zimmerman had already overstepped his authority by leaving his vehicle, as he had already been told he did not need to even follow the boy. Now, not only did he leave his vehicle, he got close enough to Trayvon for there to be some possible debate on whether or not there was a scuffle for control of Zimmerman’s gun, which he was not supposed to be carrying if he was on patrol. If Zimmerman was physically attacked, as he claims, it was because he put himself in a position where Trayvon felt threatened and had to defend himself the best he could. Any way you cut it, the available evidence points to Zimmerman having at the very least put himself in a position where he would feel threatened by someone who was actually being threatened.

    • Sybucket

      I do not know what happened any more than anybody else does but, according to the best avaliable information, once you get past the “Rush to judgiments” of the media and so many others, Zimmerman see’s a guy he does not know in his neighborhood.
      It is raining.
      He follows him.
      He calls the police, tells them he’s following the guy.
      The dispatcher askes “Is he White, Hispanic or Black”-
      Zimmerman answers “He looks Black.”
      Dispatcher-”You don’t have to follow him.”
      Zimmerman- “OK”.

      Above conversation proven by the FULL 911 tapes and not the edited version run in the media.

      Zimmerman returns toward his vehicle. Martin approaches him saying-
      “You got a problem?”
      Zimmerman says “No….” and there is a conversation that supposidely ends with Martin saying-” You do now” or words to that effect.
      ….And Martin decks Zimmerman, breaking his nose. There is a fight. Some eyewitness agrees with Zimmerman that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head on the ground.
      Zimmerman shoots Martin. Zimmerman has broken nose (backed up by the hospital report) Zimmerman has wound to back of head (Backed up by Doctors report, police report, EMT report), Zimmerman has grass stains on his back (Police Report).

      EMT’s clean up Zimmerman at the scene, Zimmerman taken in handcuffs to the Police Station.

      Zimmerman is 5’9”. Martin is somewhere between 6′ and 6’3” depending on the reporter.

      A full investigation is warrented and being run at this time. Anything beyond what is printed here is total speculation and dosn’t do anyone any good. Lets wait for the full report before we hang the guy. There may be other eye wintness we know nothing about. There may be other evidence we know nothing about.

      • Robert Smith

        Really? And you know that because? “….And Martin decks Zimmerman, breaking his nose. There is a fight. Some eyewitness agrees with Zimmerman that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head on the ground.”

        Oh, eye witnesses.

        You posted: “Zimmerman has broken nose (backed up by the hospital report).

        When did he have time to go to the hospital?

        Can you produce that “hospital report?” By your own post ” “Zimmerman taken in handcuffs to the Police Station.”

        “Zimmerman has wound to back of head (Backed up by Doctors report, police report, EMT report), Zimmerman has grass stains on his back (Police Report). ”

        Strange… It didn’t show up in the police video at the station. Did the EMTs do laundry too?

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert, you’re acting like the idiot you are!

        Robert, were you there to witness the results of what happened? Can you verify, without any doubt, that Zimmerman “stalked” Martin and shot him in cold blod?

        Your questions and arguements are just that, baseless, gathered from the biased MSM’s mis-reporting.

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    From all the crap that has followed this case you can just see all the justice that will be given the next white kid killed by a black. There has been a number of whites killed by blacks recently and not a peep from anyone. And the most putrid thing about it is not one of those whiners know any more about the facts than my dog does. Just jump on the wagon and protest. That is all that matters. Then the most important thing missed is the political mileage Obummer gets from it. It is hard to believe our country has come to such low standards as to just follow apes like jessie bjackson and ferrican. getting bad…

    • Jesussaid Love

      Apes? I guess you don’t see yourself as part of the problem.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      gottaplenty, no room here for racist remarks…you’re out of line.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        What race are you refering to idiot?

  • Kerry

    Since the shooting of the trash that beat on the guy while trying to take his gun and all the media playing up murder, I can’t wait until the illegal alien and his wife in the whitehouse are gunned down and see the great race war to end all(when they are all dead)to turn America back to normal times without politicians who are career politicians, lawyers, libs, rascists blacks, commies, progressives. Maybe when they all die in this upcoming civil war we can have the 10 Commandments back, our flag, prayer, pledge of allegiance and the draft once again! From a disabled Vietnam Combat veteran that enlisted to fight for my country!

    • Robert Smith

      From Kerry: “From a disabled Vietnam Combat veteran that enlisted to fight for my country!”

      Could that disability be mental related? It would appear so. Wanting our President dead, along with his wife, and apparently wanting another war on American soil just doesn’t seem quite right to me.

      Rob

      • Doug

        And you think the illegal president and racist wife give two cents about you? Since Robert you are all knowing and all seeing please tell me why King Obamanation and his queen both had their law license suspended?????? And please bring forward any transcripts proving where King Obananation went to school. It people like you why the government needs to get the hell out of our lives so people like you can’t pass on your genes because you are so ignorant you would not be able to get though life unless you were a slave to corrupt government! You know a mind is a terrible thing to waste and you are the poster child for a mind a waste go back to college and learn some more about how American was not founded on Christian beliefs!

      • james thompson

        hey bobby, real experts say the voice analysis is bogus because there are not enough words to establish a baseline and the stolen video of zimmerman at the police station is a cell phone video of a monitor in the police station. the police have released the original and zimmerman’s injuries are clear as is the tape on his nose. looks to me like the (offensive language removed) had a limit. lmao

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Kerry, while I respect your service and admire your patriotim to this country, you’re way over the top with the gist of your comment.

  • ranger hall

    Amazing, Just amazing, You are all first rate detectives,Only problem is NONE of us have the facts, The Police should release its information when the Investigation is complete.
    Right now People are just RIDING on the Band Wagon, The Black Groups,The President, the MEDIA, And all other People that thing they have the Facts and Want to String up this Zimmernan to the nearest tree. I stand with the People that only want Proper Justice,based on ALL the facts.
    And i can assume that the Police will not release the names of the Witnesses for their own protection at this time. ??
    How many of you People out there Defended the Sgt. in Afganistan.

  • ranger hall

    Jackson,Sharpton, And others LIVE off the Black People,Just as our Politicians LIVE off us.
    its called making the easy Buck with out having to work.

  • smilewaitforflash

    To everyone,

    Let’s assume Zimmerman was attacked. In the heat of a moment such as this, you don’t know what your attacker has to use against you. You simply have to assume that your life is in danger and react. I feel very confident in saying that if Mr. Z had “known” the young man was literally unarmed then fisticuffs would have been the end of it. It was dark, he suspected the young man was a burglar or other deviant, adrenaline was pumping, and then bam…you’re in a fight. As far as you know you’re gonna die. Everyone is assuming Mr. Z had all this information about his attacker’s weight, age, recent purchases, drug usage, expulsions from school. etc…all he knew was this person was a potential problem for his neighborhood and he was being attacked.

    Look around you right now and see if you can make any of the assumptions about the people that are near you or walking by. Who is okay and who is not? I’ve never had to live in fear like folks in metropolitan areas but I am very cautious when venturing into those areas to go to ball games or even shopping. If somebody blindsides me and I can get to a knife, gun, chair, or stick, then I’m gonna use it.

    • Crystal

      Trayvon was 20 feet from where he was living at the time. He was suppose to be there. 30% of that particular gated community is Black.

      • smilewaitforflash

        …again, here is another thing Mr. Z did not know. We know it now (as with all these other things I previously mentioned that we can point fingers at him about). Mr. Z also only weighs about 180. I’m 6 feet 300 pounds and 55 years old. Could I defend myself against a young male of any race? Only if I get ahold of them for about 30 seconds until my High BP kicks in, and I don’t want to be that close as he could have a knife in the Skittles bag or acid in the tea bottle.

        Z was on his way back to the car, M now becomes the agressor if he pursues him to engage either by words or physically. When you’re down getting your head beat in someday you’ll wish you had a pistol to get them off you.

  • CSW

    When death comes knocking at your door,Do you stand up for yourself are do you just let it take your life. Killing is wrong. However if it was me like Zimmerman who was getting beaten by a younger and stronger person. And I had a gun. I to would use it. All these people want to blow up what happened. And Obama doesn’t care about this young mans death. It’s another way to attack the 2ND Amend in our Constitution. If you love your Freedoms,your Civil Liberties then you would ask Questions like why is Obama hiding everything that proves he isn’t a American Citizen,and why has the Mainstrean Media been covering this up as well. If you still think this is the nation of the Home of the Brave and Free you best wake-up and look around you. 90% of Washington DC and State,Local Governments have become Corrupted and they don’t stand for anyone unless your in the 1%.

    • Crystal

      Zimmerman is only 28 years old. He weighs over 200 pounds. He’s been in trouble with the law twice. Once for domestic violence and the other a scuffle with the police. Don’t make excuses for this piece of trash. Everyone I know is a gun owner, but we have enough sense not to go out looking for trouble.

      If I had been Trayvon, I would have fought back also.

  • FWO21

    Just about everybody has Zimmerman guilty before they even know all the facts. This is wrong but just about everything about America is wrong right now. If Zimmerman is found to be innocent, there will be hell to pay from the people who are marching, saying “lynch Zimmerman.”

    • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

      That is the mentality we have been exposed to thruout this list of (black defenders) from the very beginning there fwo They do not care what is right or wrong as long as they see it going thier way. Libtards Follow any thing that smells like crap…

      • Crystal

        At least they are Klan defenders.

  • bpante

    Wannabee Cop meets Wannabee Ganster.

    • Crystal

      This is exactly how Zimmerman thinks. All Black males are gangsters.

      • sybucket

        Crystal-Your commiments indicate that you really are a fool. How do you know how far Trayvon was from his front door? If he was that close, why didn’t he just go inside rather than start a fight? If it was home, how is it his family failed to notice all the police and ambulances outside there front door? Do you assume the Police failed to knock and ask if anyone inside new the victem?….Give us a break. How do you know what % of the community is Black? Have you done a survay? If not where do you get your figures? And last of all and most pathatic….”….Zimmerman thinks …all Black males are Gangsters” Really?? You know this how? Do you have the ability to read minds?

        Your jumping on the “Zimmerman is guilty no matter the facts” Bandwagon just like so many other’s who have absolutly no idea what really happened.

  • James

    The pictures we have seen of Zimmerman show no signs of injury. Were there any eyewitnesses to that event? Did Martin really attack Zimmerman? Or did Zimmerman just say he did to cover an unprovoked shooting?

    • sybucket

      James-Hospital reports, EMT Reports and the Police Report from the scene back up Zimmerman’s injurys. Broken nose, gash to the back of his head.

      One eye witness states that it was Martin on top of Zimmerman.

  • mark porter

    I don’t own a gun, have never owned a gun, and yet, I am a member of the NRA. We all have a right to our opinions & beliefs. For or against guns is “up to you”. You don’t believe in guns, please feel free ‘not” to buy one. You may live in a “safe neighborhood”, and think you don’t need to be able to protect yourself. But the hard facts are, there are millions of Americans that don’t live in a “safe neighborhood”. What do you want them to do? Call the police, if they are very lucky, 10 minutes later the police will be there. But tragically, they’re spouse has been dead for 5 minutes!! If your attitude is, you don’t care, shame on you!
    We all hear about the crazed people that go on a killing rampage with “GUNS”, horrible, tragic. Those people should be “shot”. Did you know more people are killed by people using “CARS” as a murder weapon. If we apply the same logic that the anti-gun lobby embraces, then we must all get together and ban “CARS”. Oh no, that won’t work “WE” all drive them. Wait let’s think rationally about this, that’s right, the car didn’t kill that person… the driver did. No matter how or why in the past you might have felt, it’s because of the guns that there are so many deaths, please stop and think again. It’s not, it’s because of the “PERSON” that did the deed.
    Do some research and find out what has happened in all almost every country of the world, that has banned guns, google it!. The citizens of those countries have been massacred by…… “Their government”. The 2nd Amendment is there to also allow all of us to try and protect ourselves from a government that has gone “over the edge”. It can happen, even here.

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