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Groups Back Citizens In Legal Battle Over Second Amendment Rights

November 26, 2010 by  

Groups Back Citizens In Legal Battle Over Second Amendment RightsThe Second Amendment Foundation and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC) have joined six private citizens to file a lawsuit against New Jersey officials on charges of depriving individuals of their civil rights.

Those citizens had applications for gun-carrying permits denied because state officials said they did not show "justifiable need" for the weapons. One of the plaintiffs is a kidnap victim, while another is a part-time sheriff's deputy. One of the individuals who was denied a permit carries large amounts of cash as part of his private business, while another is a civilian employee for the FBI.

Defendants in the case are three Superior Court judges, two law enforcement officials and New Jersey's Attorney General. The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), a group that promotes and protects a citizen's right to bear firearms, said that New Jersey's "horribly-crafted laws" allow for uncontrolled discretion when public officials are reviewing license applications.

"If being a kidnap victim, or part-time law enforcement officer, or the potential target of a known radical group does not clearly demonstrate a justifiable need, the defendants need to explain what would," said SAF executive vice president Alan Gottlieb. "Do citizens need guns to their heads or knives to their throats before the state considers their need to be justified?"

According to the ANJRPC, 40 states currently have laws recognizing the right of citizens to carry a handgun for self-defense, but New Jersey has refused to modernize its laws.

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  • Mick

    The ordinary citizen may not be able to defend him / herself against the nuclear lunacy but the least our governemnt officials should do is to follow the constittiou and let us defend ourselves in our own homes….This bunch of liberal maggots will soon sink the population out to pursue Life, liberty and happiness…………..

    • http://none sean moor

      maby this will help. check out the web site called…IFAMERICANSKNEW.ORG. see where your tax money is going and being used for.

      • JJ

        Why don’t you take your anti Israel racists ass to one of the more liberal sites where you might be appreciated and thought wise. Maybe if you had a few thousand mortars and other exploding projectiles launched at your neighborhood or shoved up your you no what, you might start to understand. Pansy’s like you to scared to fight back and thinks anyone that does is less than human. You’d curl up in the fetal position and beg them not to kill you while they where raping and killing your family. Your probably one of those people that think its wrong for People to own guns, but I’ll bet if you had to go hungry for a day or so you’d be begging someone for a gun so that you could steal a loaf of bread. Your pathetic you impose a lifestyle on other that you couldn’t live up to if your life depended on it. Why don’t you take your anti Israel racists ass to one of the more liberal sites where you might be appreciated and thought wise. Maybe if you had a few thousand mortars and other exploding projectiles launched at your neighborhood or shoved up your you no what, you might start to understand. Pansy’s like you to scared to fight back and thinks anyone that does is less than human. You’d curl up in the fetal position and beg them not to kill you while they where raping and killing your family. Your probably one of those people that think its wrong for People to own guns, but I’ll bet if you had to go hungry for a day or so you’d be begging someone for a gun so that you could steal a loaf of bread. Your pathetic, you impose a lifestyle on other that you couldn’t live up to if your life depended on it. The only blessing I see, is that I will get to watch people like you try to live in this train wreck of a world that is coming our way. Of course some idiot like me will probably feel sorry for you and feed you anyway, but not until I see tears running down your face while you apologize. You’ve already lost all dignity you have nothing left to lose except your soul.

        Cowards die a thousand deaths. Brave men and women die once and for something so their offspring may live free!

    • Carole Howell

      Mick,
      You are right, you know that fact and the fact we have more military trained men out of the military than in. The fact that we have Ham and CB radios so we can keep in contact with each other and organize our people and we have the knowledge of the lay of the our land makes us unconquerable to any evading FOREIGN army.

      But I am not so sure guns will help us fight off our enemy within, they who have all the really big weapons. Weapons that when aimed at you can make you vomit and shit all over yourself at the same time. The people with the control of the satellites. The same people who are training and arming private armies, like Blackwater, they recruit people from all over the globe. These people they hire are thugs full of hate they kill for the joy of it, getting paid for it now is a bonus, mix them with some of our own people who are of the same ilk and heavily arm them. Then how do we stand?

      Haven’t any of you noticed our prison population has more than quadrupled in a very short period of time? That most of the people in prison today have committed victimless crimes. Is it a ploy, a plot to have an excuse to broaden the ability to house a lot of dissidents, what we will be called if we rise up. Notice many of these prisons are bomb proof, and they are run by private companies. Now why are they bomb proof? Surely not to protect the prisoners from bombs, but maybe to keep people from being able to get the prisoners out.

      Something else, notice how certain people in congress want (and keep trying) to outlaw community and or local small farms and also outlaw people maintaining gardens on their own property? Pass laws against stock piling food, (yes, against us preparing for earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, yes emergency preparedness), Now why is that? Could it be some corporate plot to force us to only buy from them? Or is it something worse, like preventing the people from feeding and supporting their own militias? In case our own government makes war on its own people? I am not making this stuff up, you can get the info yourself. I would love answers to my questions, plausible answers.

      This country is heading over a cliff, when it goes over, this country will come apart at the seams. Will we unite and come together as a people? Or will we be so divided we will turn on each other like dogs. Christian against all others, pro lifers against pro choicers, Dems against GOPs, NeoNazis and skin heads against the non racists of us? Straights against Gays? Creationists against Evolutionists? Conservatives against Liberals, Unionists against non unionists? What will we do? Cause divided the way we are we will not have any kind of chance to win our country back once it is taken.

      • JJ

        Matthew 24:9-25
        vrs 25 Take note: I have told you in advance.

      • James

        Carole, Great comment! Yes I have noticed, America has a higher percentage of its own citizens in jails than any other nation. There is no question in my mind that our federal government will be our enemy when enough people challenge what they are doing. What are they doing, making White-Christian Americans the most hated people in the world. The Matthew 24:9-25 alert was right on target.

  • Dave

    I was taught that our right of self defense was given to us by God. The constitution restrains the government from taking that right away. Its my opinion that the states can’t even regulate the ownership of weapons by citizens. The 2nd amendment is there to restrict the government, not the citizen

    • Frank

      Actually the 2nd Amendment restricts the federal government. Per the 10th amendment the states are free to have whatever firearms laws they want. That was until SCOTUS ruled that the 14th amendment requires the states to follow the 2nd amendment. Now the federal government can impose whatever firearms laws they want.

      • James

        Frank, The States are not free to have whatever firearm laws they want. They are free to have whatever laws they can get away with. Forty-four State constitutions have similar restrictive Sections, as the Second Amendment in the federal constitution. But even in the six states that have no such constitutional restrictions, the right to bear arms still exists, it’s an unalienable right, and not dependent on any constitution for its existence.

    • Bob

      The Gov. can only do what we let them, STAND UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

  • Mick

    Dave says:
    November 26, 2010 at 7:34 am
    I was taught that our right of self defense was given to us by God. The constitution restrains the government from taking that right away. Its my opinion that the states can’t even regulate the ownership of weapons by citizens. The 2nd amendment is there to restrict the government, not the citizen
    *************************

    Dave, if we let the Liberals get their way this right will soon disappear and will be as defenseless as the French citizens.
    nJust talked to my Godmother a couple days ago, she is a funny lady of 87 years old and she said that pretty soon they will have to ask the goverment the permission to fart, we’re heading this way.

    • Paul

      We won’t have to ask permission … but expect tax increases due to “global warming”. It was actually in one of their “cap and trade bills” originally to tax farmers with cattle on their flatulance.

      • Bob

        I read that. Once anouther Lib wins like Hillery the bill can have add ons to it.

        • Carole Howell

          Bob, Please, Please notice it does not matter who is in the WH or Congress, it just does not matter. The Ron Pauls, Kucinichs, and DeFazios (honest politicians) are very rare indeed. The others are bought and paid for and so we will still go over the coming cliff. The ones who are bought off (greater number) will do nothing to prevent this. They have no consciences.

          I only hope this next WIKILEAKS info dump will be more than just military stuff, I hope it will reveal the real criminals to the world. Who is behind this world crisis. We need a game changer.

          Most the the people now that we get to elect (whoopee) are chosen for us first. WE NO LONGER REALLY CHOSE.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Carole,
            Kuscinich an HONEST politician?!?!?!? Are we talking about the same person??? The same person that bankrupted Cleveland??? The same person that has brought more EARMARKS to Cleveland than any before him??? The one that said he saw a UFO?!?!?!? Give me a freakin break!!!!

  • Charles

    They can have my guns after I am dead. But not before.

    • JC

      Actually they can’t have them then either. I’ve already made arrangements to distribute them among my friends should I suddenly depart.

  • J.M.R.

    THE PEOPLE NEED TO GO TO THE MEETINGS OF SO CALLED LEADERS GRAB THEM BY THE THROAT DRAG AT IN THE STREET BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM AND REMIND THEM THEY WORK FOR US WE DON’T WORK FOR THEM.

    • Bob

      By any means necessary.

    • Carole Howell

      J.M.R.

      Hmmmm……that might work LOL

  • Leon

    Find out where your representatives stand on the 2nd amendment they and only they can change that law. Make sure that they stand for what you would like or make sure they are not reelected! They could also control the activist judges that distort the law, if they would!
    If they are allowed to take an inch they will eventually take a mile. You must be aware that we have approximately 80 self avowed socialist in our congress. I don’t remember ever hearing about that issue on any of the campaigns. We seem to not know what that means! If they succeed in gun confiscation were through, Our freedoms will be gone!

    • Carole Howell

      Leon,
      The first rule of war. KNOW THY ENEMY I believe these socialists all believe in the guns rights of U S Citizens.

      How soon we forget the conservative republican who started this gun control nonsense. Or wait, maybe you are too young to remember.

      First of all, you obviously do not know the definition of the word socialist. Of course their are many forms of socialism, the worst of them are not as bad as fascism. Take note. Compare Denmark (most socialist today) with Nazi Germany. The fascists would have sterilized you bro in a NY minute. While Denmark is the safest country in the entire world, and they have almost no poverty, everyone is at least middle class, from mid to upper, and yes they do have their filthy rich among them also.

      Please get an education. You have been lied too Leon. you are confusing Socialism with Communism. Turn off the radio and start reading.

      Educate yourself, stop letting yourself be programed with the hate spewed by Lush Noballs, he could not go to Vietnam, cause he had a boil on his butt. PLEASE. And Heil Hannity (NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE THERE EITHER), what a coward, remember how he claimed waterboarding was nothing and he would volunteer to be waterboarded for fun, then when he was called on it he chickened, cause he was told you could accidentally die. They are hatemongers trying and succeeding in dividing our country. Remember that when you go down clutching your gun and breathing your last, you have been duped. You dope.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carole,
        Actually the safest country in the world is Switzerland!! and there EVERY citizen is required to own a gun!

        • Carole Howell

          No Joe, Switzerland is a safe country but the numbers show, Denmark is the safest country in the world. Check it out. BTW Switzerland, another very socialist country. LOL

      • JJ

        They sell tickets to these places that you admire so much, and we all wish you good riddance. Freedom is the most important thing anyone can possess, the only way to have true freedom is capitalism. Capitalism the people control things, socialism the government controls us.

        • Carole Howell

          JJ
          You are confusing Socialism with Communism, I wonder why you are so confused? Let me guess faux news.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Carole,
            you think you aren’t controlled now??? Try defending your home against intruders in most states and have them fall out the door if you shoot them. Try getting on a plane! try to go into the courthouse in most cities! Hell, try buying over the counter cough medicine with ephedrine in it! You are controlled at every turn you take any more!!

    • James

      Leon, Your ignorance is showing. The federal government, was created by the States. The U.S. Constitution can only be changed by the States or the People, see Art. V, and they can do that without any action by the U.S. Congress.

  • Roger

    Never give your guns up. Even if they outlaw them. If they want to take them, they can have the business end first.

    • Bleh

      That is my stance.

  • Leon

    They need the ammo first one at a time!

    • JC

      Stock up. Learn to load. Avoid using calibers common to the military.
      They disappear from the shelves first.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        In RVN, I carried an AK47. it was good for the Commie rounds and they would also fire the nato rounds!! The US weapons wouldnt fire the commie rounds as the rim on them was too big!! They wouldn’t fit into the reciever!! Also the AK could be dropped in the mud and picked up, wiped off and fired on full auto. try that with an M16 and see what happens!!

        • Mick

          Joe H. says:
          JC,
          In RVN, I carried an AK47. it was good for the Commie rounds and they would also fire the nato rounds!! The US weapons wouldnt fire the commie rounds as the rim on them was too big!! They wouldn’t fit into the reciever!! Also the AK could be dropped in the mud and picked up, wiped off and fired on full auto. try that with an M16 and see what happens!!

          *************************

          Hey Joe…I heard that !!No matter where it’s made if it works go for it……….

          • http://?? Joe H.

            mick,
            i guess that’s what you have to expect from a weapon that has parts from Mattel toys on it!! the grips on an M16 were made by Mattel!!! get the weapon dirty and it jammed left and right!!

  • Terry Salyer

    People are just now figuring it out. The second amendment is what puts the teeth in the others. It has to go before any of the others. Remember what japan said about invading the U.S. during WW11?

  • http://www.personalliberty.com R SHARP

    IF THE CITIZENS OF N.J. CANNOT OR WILL NOT CONTROL THEIR ELECTED/APPOINTED OFFICIALS, WHO
    WERE PUT IN OFFICE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF NJ, THEN THEY MAY FIND THEMSELVES IN A WORLD OF
    HURT.

  • Rick Ames

    The Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the land, recognizes a God given Right to keep and bear arms. It explicitly restricts government any power to interfere with that Right even to a level of infringement.

    A public servant then assumes the power, not only infringe but to deny a person the Right to bear simply because said servant has deemed that the person has not shown a “justifiable need” to bear an arm.

    The argument shouldn’t be about whether the person’s has a justifiable need in the eyes of some bureaucrat. That is absolutely irrelevant. The suit should be about the seditious, or treasonous, actions of government officials who assume powers explicitly denied them by Law.

  • JimH

    I think Gov. Christie is a good guy, when this comes to his attention,it has a chance of improving. Unlike Illinios at least NJ has a chance of improving.

    • Bob

      I voted for Chrissy but don’t trust him.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bob,
        Trust but verify!!!!!

  • CarlC451

    When I had the chance to move to NJ, I saw how they treated gun-owners, and move to PA instead!
    End of Story! … almsot.
    When I had to go to NJ, I granted myself my own CCW.
    Better to be judged by 12 (except in NJ) than to be carried by 6!

  • castaway

    I think what all this tells us, is that the powers that would like to take total control of us, fear an armed citizenry.

    • JC

      They not only fear an armed citizenry, but hold us in contempt.
      They despise us as threats to their un-American regime.

  • http://com i41

    It has always been the plan of the National Marxist Communist Democrat Union Party idoits, tto disarm and be able to control everyone. This mid term election cleaned a lot of socialist”blue dog” democrats. That is reason I tore up my NRA card when they support these so called “conservative” democrats. When I was called by the representive of NRA, I pointed out where the NRA was full of crap. They use one or two issus, but didn’t use their total records. Democrat party has since its inception, wanted to control the civilians by unions and fear, wheather by physcial violence or just plain thuggery, explosives or guns. What party signed on to the UN crap, either “gun control” or the “global Warming crap”, the dumborats and the one world controll idoits. Finally the UN came clean as the untimate goal of climate change is to redistrubite the wealth, so Gore, Kenndeies, Onumnutts, and the dembocrap party just got exposed, now remove the UN and any socialist puke idoit in the USA.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    most of the law enforcement officers that have talked about crime have said,most of the time we are just minutes away,in other words for those minutes we are totaly at the mercy of the criminals that the liberal judges let lose on the law bidding citizens from the prison (COLLEGES) they oversee,its funny,what good has all the liberal communist outlook produced? maybe if they throw these gun grabbing government crooks in with those evil scumbags for a month or two,(GENERAL POPULATION)they would get a big suprize,that they would become just as victimized as the normal american citizen that is disarmed,personally i really think this anti-gun agenda is just a tiny piece of the puzzle,that would destroy this nations republic and replace it with a ruling communist neo-com liberal zoinist leadership,where everyone has no rights,in otherwords no more than slaves,and who are these folks pushing this (NWO)agenda,its the very folks in government sad to say,what happens when the american people no longer support these masters of the universe,in their quest,anarchy,where the criminals rule the nations cities and rural areas,and to prove this point just look at mexico,a great picture of a disarmed nation,dying on the vine,and the fools here want to disarm us all to be killed like those folks down south,i guess that why the dollar bill has printed on it in “GOD WE TRUST” because you sure cant trust these harvard educated elites pushing this mess in this nation.and bye the way they know it very well,they want marital law.(THE POLICE STATE WOULD FOLLOW THE NEXT DAY).vote these fools out in 2012,if not we will be yesterdays news,(THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

  • jbt

    you may take my life,but as long as im armed you will NEVER take my freedom that is what everyone needs to think long and hard about!!!!!!!

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