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Greens Want Lead Out Of Ammo

June 12, 2012 by  

Greens Want Lead Out Of Ammo
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Green groups want the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to regulate lead in ammo.

Environmentalists have taken to Federal court to demand that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency overstep its authority and regulate lead ammunition.

The Trumpeter Swan Society, the Center for Biological Diversity and five other groups seek judicial review of the EPA’s denial of their petition in which the agency stated that regulating ammunition is beyond it authority.

The environmental groups want the EPA to go after lead ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act. The groups say that lead poisoning from ammunition frequently kills not only condors but eagles, swans, loons and other birds that feed on dead animals in the wild.

California prohibited the use of lead ammunition in the 15 counties considered condor territory in 2008, and Arizona wildlife officials offer hunters there free nontoxic copper bullets with hunting permits. Several other States have mandated nontoxic shotgun shot for upland game bird hunting and other partial bans on lead ammo.

But the groups want broader Federal regulation, saying the EPA for years has regulated lead as a toxic substance, so it is unclear why it refuses to do so for lead ammunition.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • kategray

    More from the left-winged idiots. PEOPLE WILL FIND A WAY TO GET LEAD, EVEN IF THESE NUTS BAN IT.

    • Suave

      Amen brother. We need to keep dumbocrats around just for the laughs.

    • Alex

      Just like heroin or child pornography—-if you want it you can find it. I swear, if the gun nuts could liquify guns they would shoot them right into their veins.

  • eddie47d

    Exactly what the article says. Lead poisoning is a killer and harmful to several species. Now can there be a reliable substitute or not. If so then change by taking the lead out of …..!

    • JeffH

      Straight out of the lips of an anti-gun and an environmental extremist.

      The CBD is incorrectly claiming that lead ammunition, the most commonly used ammunition by hunters and sportsmen, is a danger to wildlife and the rule it asks for is contrary to language in the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976. The “scientific evidence” suggesting lead ammunition is taking a “horrific toll” on wildlife is bogus.

      While the population of our national symbol, the bald eagle, has been increasing according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the bald eagle is also being used as a “lead tragedy” by CBD and its allies. To achieve their political goals, they are deliberately concocting information to sway the opinions of policy makers.

      “These extremist groups are trying to ban bullets under a federal law that specifically doesn’t apply to ammunition. In addition, they are using false data and emotion instead of sound science to further their political agenda,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “The CBD is an anti-hunting organization attempting to assert its political relevancy at the expense of America’s hunters and sportsmen. The NRA will not allow the CBD to mislead the public about the effects of lead ammunition.”

      Hunters and gun owners are the greatest contributors to conservation, the release continues. In addition to volunteer efforts to improve habitat, billions of dollars dedicated to habitat and wildlife restoration projects have been generated through the payment of hunting license fees and excise taxes on firearms, ammunition and other hunting equipment.

      The National Shooting Sports Foundation is also opposing the petition.

      “There is simply no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations that would require restricting or banning the use of traditional ammunition beyond current limitations, such as the scientifically based restriction on waterfowl hunting,” said NSSF President Steve Sanetti.

      The NSSF provides a litany of facts to help demonstrate the validity of Sanetti’s statement.Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) showing from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring

      Anyone with an ounce of common sense or half a brain knows that all this is about is another back door attempt with the end result for the anti-gun establishment to take, or try & take & ban guns & eventually do away with the 2nd Amendment!

  • T. Jefferson

    Idiots

    • Patriot II

      T. were you talking abut Alex?

  • Big Woody

    Yet we are forced to buy lightbulbs that contain mercury? Not to mention those bulbs cannot be made in the USA because of the EPA.

    • Your Globalist Friend

      Don’t forget mainlining mercury via vaccines.

      • Ed

        And Timmersol, a paint thinner. It is in that yearly flu vaccine.

  • Tom T

    This is the newest attempt by gun control advocates to fight the 2nd amendment. When will someone let these morons know that lead is a naturally occuring element. The only lead poisoning happening in the wild is when a hunter shoots his prey.

    • eddie47d

      If a hunter can’t pick up his kill then those aforementioned creatures will then consume the lead. Why does it always have to come down to making the greens looking like the bad guys. Conservatives certainly don’t want mercury dangers in their bulbs or lead paint harming children do they. I really doubt if greens want that either. I’m not sure how those bulbs snuck through or what went on in the inventors mind to do so.

    • Daveh234

      ” lead is a naturally occuring element” is correct.
      When we use it in other applications like paint, ammo, fishing weights, etc. it no longer is in it’s natural state. This does alter and change the effects.
      It’s not rocket science. Should be easy alternatives and it can’t hurt to find them.

      • Opal the Gem

        Well if it should be so easy to find the substitutes why don’t you invest all your money in the search. I am sure that if it is as easy as you believe you will become a multi-millionare in just a few short months.

  • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

    I’m okay with using copper amunition if they can keep the cost per round at the same price or better. Lead isn’t the best thing in the world to mess with. Its residue gets on your fingers and clothes. After using a firearm, it’s recommended that you don’t touch your face, smoke, eat, or anything else until you’ve washed. Lead is poison.

    But I darn sure don’t want the EPA regulating my amunition. And I don’t want the Federal government having anything to do with the regulating of my amunition. They have their hands to thoroughly on my guns already.

    Getting lead out of amunition seems to me to be a good thing. But I suggest letting the amunition manufacturers make the change, and keep the government out of it. The Constitution doesn’t stipulate that our Bill of Rights is contingent upon the condor population, and it doesn’t provide a list of rights for animals.

    And I hate to break this to the liberals, but lead is in our rivers and animal habitats already. Lead is usually found hand in hand with zinc, silver, and/or copper, meaning that it already exists in nature, and these ores contain arsenic and other contaminants. Thus, returning the lead back to nature is hardly going to disrupt the eco system.

    People should just leave well enough alone unless there is a notable problem.

    • Alex

      Silly, “notable” problems most often result from inattention.

    • Ed

      I saw some people attempting to qualify for their concealed handgun license. Right after shooting, they pulled out the wipes and started cleaning their hands. I can see them doing this after a defensive shooting in which someone gets shot. I am sure some enterprising young assistant District Attorney will use this hand cleansing immediately after the act and show it to be destroying evidence on what might not have been a justified shooting.

  • dcjdavis

    Wish we could ship all the environmentalists to the other side of the globe. That’s the part of the globe they seem most to love, anyway.

  • Sirian

    Environmentalists = “Domestic Terrorists”. Simple as that.

    • eddie47d

      Polluters of our lives our air and our waterways =Domestic Terrorists! Simple as that!

  • http://gravatar.com/copakeman copakeman

    abolish the epa, save people !

  • Alex

    The people calling for the dissolution of the EPA should just admit that they are envious of their grandchildren and therefore wish to destroy the Earth before they inherit it.

    • Ranger

      Are you really as dumb as you sound?

      • Opal the Gem

        Nope………………………………………………………….

        He is even dumber.

      • Kevin

        Did you really just ask a liberal if he was dumb? I believe the terms are interchangable.

      • 45caliber

        The REAL problem here is that they have no intention of allowing the grandchildren to have it either. I’ve been hearing this argument since I was a boy. Now I have grandchildren who could really use all those things “we are saving for our grandchildren”. And they basically are telling our grandkids that THEY now have to wait for THEIR grandkids to have it.

        I seriously think that what they are waiting for is 1) to allow the items they don’t want us to use to become worth a lot more money and 2) set up a new government or some other way to insure they get that money rather than someone else.

  • Patriot II

    It is time to have a Hunting Season on Environmentalist!

    • eddie47d

      Environmentalists have done much in protecting the health and well being of humans and wildlife. To make such an absurd statement about shooting anyone makes you the target of disgust. If an environmentalist endangers someone then stick to the harm done. Do you want Corporate CEO’s shot for the tremendous harm their by products has caused humans and wildlife? I think we know which ones are the greater danger to our land,waterways and air.

  • Bal104

    Since lead is an element and is a naturally occurring metal in the earth, the same amount exists now as there has always been……we haven’t added to the total it will not dissipate. It comes from mines and has a myriad of uses world wide other than ammunition. Batteries are thrown away everyday and account for more lead than ammunition, but no great outcry. This is just another attempt by those anti-gun folks to exercise control and nullify the 2nd amendment.

    This is just as pointless as naming CO2 a pollutant…….Really? CO2 is responsible for life on the planet. Plants take it in and convert it to O2 (oxygen)……without CO2 the entire life cycle and the food chain breaks down. This basic high school science……(or don’t they teach that any longer?). We have to wrest control of science away from these enviro-nazis who have slowly destroying our environment to further they’re agenda. It has already been proven that these people are charlatans with no regard for true scientific method.

    Thanks to these fools, the US Forest Service is no longer allowed controlled burning as they did for years to control wildfires in order to save some insignificant species, now you see wildfires consuming enormous swaths of forest and many animal species in the process. In a senseless attempt to save some inconsequential minnow, the EPA barred water from getting to the fields, the result was farmers go belly up and food prices soar. These knee jerk actions with little or no regard for the far reaching consequences is just plain reckless.

    The EPA is throwing out the baby with the bath water. They’re argument is that species will become extinct……..so what……extinction is also a part of the natural process. Species have become extinct for millions and millions of years, long before man, it’s part of the natural process. Global climate change has been going on for eons. The real scientists will tell you that our sun’s own cyclic changes affect the earth’s climate, any pollution by man is insignificant and the recommended drastic measures would have an insignificant effect on our climate, but far reaching effects on our economy and our civilization as we know it.

    EPA has too much power, it has been infiltrated by these pseudo-scientists, they act before examining the fallout from their actions and we as Americans suffer a deterioration of our individual rights and our purse……..don’t be fooled by their noble cause claims, it’s about control……it always is.

    • Daveh234

      Batteries should never be thrown away. There are easy ways to recycle .
      Rechargeable batteries have worked for me for 20 years now.
      Car batteries require a core charge to assure returning them for reuse and not thrown away.
      This keeps them from polluting any and all.
      Hadn’t heard about the controlled burn issue.
      Forestry services, I worked with them for years in Florida, do do controlled burns.
      Just volunteered last year for a controlled burn in Pine Island, Florida. It’s an ongoing maintenance plan to protect the forest and healthy for the rebuilding of future forests.

      • 45caliber

        And do YOU recycle batteries?

        As far as controlled burns are concerned, FL may use them but many other states are not allowed to do so. That’s one reason CA has so much trouble with fires every year.

  • Daveh234

    Lead is poisonous. We were just yelling about the lead paint that toys from China exported. Very detrimental to children to have any contact.
    The price of lead has increased and let’s hope the firearms industry can see to it they work towards an alternative without increasing prices.. It can’t hurt.
    Fishing weights have to be changed, too. There is much more fishing going on and I am constantly pulling weights and nets out of fishing grounds.. A little lead goes a long way.

    • Bal104

      Actually lead is toxic, not poisonous. We’re not talking about toys or paint…………we’re talking about bullets, which are already deadly in their own right…so the fact that it is toxic is moot. Lead leaches very, very slowly and it’s effect is cumulative. Best advice is don’t let kids play with bullets or eat fishing weights (tic).

      • Daveh234

        A shooting range I used in Clearwater Florida had their air and soil tested behind the concrete walls and other dampening material they had put up. Found heightened levels of lead in the air and soil. Because of their proximity to a school down the street they had to add some other barriers of some sort to stop that contamination. Leeching of lead out in the woods after hitting trees, stones, targets, etc. is enhanced by this explosive alteration of the structure of the lead.

  • 45caliber

    If they really want to stop the spread of lead, they should concentrate their attentions to the intersections with old gas stations. 5-10 PPM lead in normal soil is considered contaminated by the government if it is higher than surrounding land, but 30,000 to 50,000 ppm is considered okay by the government near old gas stations. Tell me why!

    The enviornmentalists know that shooting a lead bullet into a forest won’t affect the environment – they simply want to ban all guns. Since guns are protected, they want to ban ammo.

    • Daveh234

      When changes to the site where old gas stations are present you will always have a clean up to do before moving on with even putting new tanks in. It is not okay with any local govt. or otherwise.

      • 45caliber

        Riiiiigght …

        Not true. The feds recognize it as background and that’s as far as it goes. If it does get cleaned up (which is very doubtful) it is because the place is simply abandoned and the local government has to pay to clean it up. Most owners of stations can’t afford to clean it up and the oil companies won’t.

      • Daveh234

        Small gas stations don’t come under federal rule.
        THe local code has to be complied with.
        Soil testing determines cleanup or not. If contaminated soil will have to be removed before an outhouse can be put in.
        Period.

      • 45caliber

        Again you are not really right. I work with enviornmental matters daily.

        All contamination is considered hazardous. It doesn’t matter how large or small it is, all falls under the EPA.

        BUT … what is contaminated soil? If the feds rule it is NOT contaminated, then the locals cannot insist it is. Just recently, a local school district wanted to build a school on such a contaminated site. Their argument was that the feds stated it was okay. Actually, I think the owner wanted to get rid of some land that was contaminated without having to do anything with it. The parents objected but weren’t getting anywhere until some good citizen offered fifty acres of NON- contaminated land for the school at no cost. Even then they had a big argument before the school accepted. It wasn’t where the school system wanted to build. It was about five miles away. And besides, the man who owned the original land was on the school board.

      • Daveh234

        I’ve developed three different pieces with old tanks, usually leaky. Price was right because everyone knows that it can get costly to clean up and the only way to sell is discount the lots involved.
        EPA had their say but all parties, local, county and state get involved. On one property I avoided any disruption on a corner to not disrupt the ground. Still couldn’t get by cleaning out the “bad” dirt.
        It all worked. Seen many commercial lots sit because of past land use affectng future uses.
        You find asbestos in old buildings you might as well move on, it is too costly.

      • 45caliber

        When you do a cleanup, everyone gets involves, yes. However, only the EPA can FORCE a cleanup. The rest can request it but can’t force it. And yes, asbestos is expensive to clean up since you have to pay to have a special team come in to clear it. But if you are cleaning up contaminated soil, depending upon the contamination, you have to have someone specially trained do it too. I’ve been through that training so I could be in charge of such cleanups. Lead generally, if it isn’t too high concentrations, doesn’t require special cleanups.

    • vicki

      “Since guns are protected, they want to ban ammo.”

      Actually ammo is protected as well. The 2nd does not single out firearms and the shot heard round the world was over the confiscation of ammo as well as the tools using them.

      • 45caliber

        vicki:

        That’s not what Schummer and some of his buddies in Washington say. He stated, “Okay, guns are protected under the Constitution and the courts won’t let us touch them. But the AMMO isn’t! And the guns are useless without it so we’ll get rid of that!”

      • Vicki

        I have never been impressed by their ability to read and understand the Constitution. Their constant ignoring of even the most basic elements of their oath indicate poor reading comprehension.

  • Mytwocentswrth

    Dave234, children don’t chew on ammo or fish weights. Sorry fot your inconvenience with “fishing grounds,” but it’s not enough for the rest of us to give up more freedom. It’s just another scam reason to try to disarm us in opposition to the Second Amendment.

    • Daveh234

      I’ve been picking up these offed weights for more than forty years. It’s never been an inconvenience. Never said it was.
      I always re-used them to make more weights and fix my own nets or add weight to my nets. Saved me a lot of money.
      When I watched my fishing holes decrease in the quantity of fish I was finding is when I started doing whatever I can to protect my hobby. For myself and it will help everyone.
      People are bitching about new fertilizer laws here in Florida. I am also in agriculture, have grown vegetables all my life. Almost never used fertilizer because there are better ways do promote growth and keep bugs away, even here in Florida.
      When our runoff water hits the Bays around Tampa is when an algae bloom hitsand kills off all fish in site. Redtide is connected to fertilizer runoff. We paved over paradise and put up a parking lot here in Florida and the consequences are showing up in all our waterways. I just want to fish. That’s my life, Liberty and happiness I’m talking about.

    • Daveh234

      Actually, kids do chew on the lead if it’s not kept safe from their hands. Some idiots can’t think farther than their next beer.

      • Ed

        You drinking again, Dave?

  • oldbill

    Where’s the evidence? I have never found a dead duck with its crop full of lead shot. Lead and alloys used in bullets is very stable, even in digestive juices, and shot and bullets simply pass through the digestive tract. There are no actual lab studies to show how much a diet including lead shot or bullets, increases blood or fat tissue lead in the animals mentioned. This lab testing could certainly be easily tested on domestic or injured animals, without doing permanent harm. If, in fact, lead levels increase in the fowl, because of ingestion during the test, chelation can be used to remove the heavy metals, before the animals are released.

    • 45caliber

      oldbill:

      They aren’t interested in proving that the lead is there. It might not be. They are only interested in scaring you about it.

      It is like the speed limit in Texas used to be. The environmentalists insisted that we needed to reduce the speed to 55 mph so we could save thousands of tons of pollutants a day by not driving faster. But when challenged to PROVE that it would save this, they suddenly had interest in something else. I really suspect they have already run the tests and proved to themselves that their statements aren’t true – but they need some way to ban bullets don’t they?

      • Daveh234

        The reduction in speed limits came from the oil embargo era.
        Not pollutants, fuel efficiency. saved millions of gallons of gas. Does so today. Some people get up to 100 miles to the gallon with extreme efficient driving techniques from 35-40 mpg cars.

      • 45caliber

        Dave:

        You are REALLY wrong today. The original 55 mile speed limit might have been due to oil but that went away. Actually it went because there were too many cars on the road because it took longer to get somewhere.

        In Texas they brought it back to about six or eight counties only. That is the occurrence I’m talking about.

        And by the way, how do you KNOW that the reduced speed saved fuel and reduced pollution?

        Actually, if it take longer to drive somewhere due to lower speeds, it takes about the same amount of gas anyway. And that produces the same amount of pollution. Time and distance are important as well as speed.

      • Daveh234

        Drive 100 miles at 55 MPH use less gas than if you drive same distance 70 MPh.
        Amount of gas burned displaces the amount of carbon output from you car.
        More efficient cars will decrease quantity of oil needed and lessen the amount of pollutants expelled from them, for same miles.
        I drive biodiesel in two cars and a F250. It doesn’t save as much money as it saves exhaust emissions polluting my world around me.

      • Daveh234

        It has nothing to do with the miles driven, just the amount of gas or fuel burned to get that distance.

      • 45caliber

        Dave:

        Yeah, they used that same argument here too. Use less gas if you drive slower. In fact, they even stated that if they were really serious, they would force everyone to drive at 35 since you supposedly get the best gas milage at that speed. BUT … when there was a request by one of the local politicians for test data to prove that, all of a sudden they agreed to raise the speed to 65 again. The politician stated that they told him there was no such data.

  • jopa

    Romney gets in we won’t have to worry about the lead in bullets.When he was Guv he banned pistols and assault rifles in Mass,That’s just the beginning, He will probably ban beer next in that it is taboo to even drink within the cult he belongs to.

    • 45caliber

      He might. Just as Oblama and Clinton are trying to do. But then, he might not either. Or he might be slower than they want to be. I don’t want either of them into office but it seems we don’t have any other choice. And I’d rather have someone in that MIGHT be better than one I KNOW isn’t.

    • eddie47d

      Romney changes to whatever is convienient at any given moment so we distinctly see his pattern. Romney wants a war in Iran Obama is more cautious. Romney wants us to remain in Afghanistan Obama wants to get us out. Romney is not a hard read to figure out.

  • Patriot II

    If you can’t identify the type of ammo in the picture above you might not be even qualified to make a comment.

    • jopa

      To me it looks like .22 long rifle, whats it look like to you?

      • vicki

        22LR (same as jopa sees)

  • http://www.facebook.com/larry.kemp.31 Larry Kemp

    all this talk about lead===what about all the chemicals those gov. planes are spreading in our skies, called chem-trails? who knows what the heck they are spreading. how come there are more illnesses among children and respitory problems like copd and cancer?
    we very seldom have a beautiful blue sky, it’s usually milky looking because of the chemicals which finally fall to earth and are absorbed by every living thing through breathing and food consumption.

    • Daveh234

      All those govt. planes account for less than 1% of all air travel.
      Look at the screens for air traffic controllers and there are literally thousands of planes back and forth all day long, regular commercial type flights. I agree they spew forth emissions some of which will fall to earth most again goes into the atmosphere and effects ozone.
      That is exactly part of the problem with kids getting breathing ailments. Your right. We got to do something to clean it up.

      • 45caliber

        That is like the government insisting that the semis on the highway must be cleaned up because they contaminate – while they ignore the real culprit. Were you aware that about 95%+ of all pollution is due to water and road dust? So why should we be concerned about about 0.01% of the pollution rather than the 95%+??

        When this was pointed out to a government EPA spokesman, he basically said, “Well, yes, you are right. But it would cost the government billions to correct this and we can’t afford it. It is better for us to get you to correct a 0.01% problem than it is for us to pay to correct the major one.”

      • Daveh234

        Most diesels burn less contaminants than gas cars nowadays. There may be some smoke but it actually puts out less than a comparable gas engine with same weight, etc.

      • eddie47d

        Pollution is due to “water and road dust”? I learn something everyday but I’m not buying that one.Road dust may kick up but settles down fairly quickly. Water may become polluted but it doesn’t cause pollution.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        Do some checking. Water is considered a pollutant in city air because it absorbs things that should drop out and therefore don’t and because it blocks sunlight. Humidity also causes asthma attacks on occasion. So it is indeed considered a pollutant but is ignored because it is natural. CO2 is also natural but they still call it a pollutant too.

    • 45caliber

      Larry: it is milky looking because of the ice crystals formed as the water in the exhaust freezes at those high altitudes.

      Besides, if they were spraying something they believed would kill us, it would have to be more potent than any other poison now known. When you consider the maximum a plane can carry and divide it into the air volumn, there is so little there that it is impossible to detect. And that makes it too small to affect us – unless of course it is an unknown substance that is far more poisonous than anyone can ever know.

  • Frank Molina

    See what happens when we get these eco-geeks and planet-punks have their way? They’ll start their lawsuits and act like control freaks to get their way and force us to buy these mercury filled lightbulbs. And if you don’t do what these eco-twerps say, they’ll call their nazi-version of Captain Planet to either savagely beat you or throw you in jail. To hell with these people, I’ll make them eat the very lead they’re trying so desperately to ban!

    • Patriot II

      Frank, so you support the Hunting season idea?

      • Frank Molina

        What does that even MEAN?

      • 45caliber

        Yeah, but if you do put in a hunting season for liberals, they would all suddenly disappear.

      • eddie47d

        It’s not the Liberals with the dangerous minds and right here we have a trio that proves it.

      • JeffH

        Patriot II, eddie says it’s not the liberals with a dangerous mind…considering liberals don’t have minds at all is dangerous enough.

    • Patriot II

      Frank, You must be a city dweller bro, A hunting season is when you shoot em to thin out the heard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

    The greens are a bunch of idiot’s, they aren’t getting shot at by these lead bullets, so it has to be another commie ploy to do away with the second amendment, lead or brass, doesn’t matter to me, want my rights, come and get them, rather be a citizen then a slave. Freedom isn’t Free:

    • eddie47d

      Dead wildlife,contaminated soil and sick humans aren’t free either. That scenerio can be costly too.

  • 45caliber

    The last person who died of lead poisoning (the real poisoning, not being shot) in the US was the first in many years. He was an electrician who chewed the insulation he took off wires, which contained lead. It took him over 30 years to do that.

    Lead (unless administered directly) isn’t that dangerous. It is not an immediate poison (toxic). It must build up in your system over time. All of us older people have dealt with lead for decades without a serious problem – including as children. The government certainly doesn’t consider 30,000 ppm (3%) lead in soil next to old filling stations as being a hazard. We’ve been over-sold on its poisonous nature.

    • Daveh234

      Because it takes a long time to present itself as a problem we should forget about it and let people have all the contact they want with lead contamination.
      Cigarette smoking is very similar. It usually takes decades y=to finally kill you.
      Your young and healthy and it slowly eats away at you till you get some form of emphysema or cancer and dies decades earlier than you would have if you had not smoked.

      • 45caliber

        But like smoking, if you quit it, the problem disappears if you don’t have a terminal case. If you are simply smoking and quit in six months you are almost as good as when you started smoking. If you have lead in your system and drink plenty of water, without injesting more lead, it will also go away.

        I’m not insisting that we should all sit around eating lead on a daily basis. For one thing there isnt’ enough of it. But it is silly to worry about it all the time and want to ban it simply because it MIGHT cause a problem. Use it in a safe manner and forget about it.

      • Daveh234

        If only my parents could have stayed off cigarettes, they quit for a short few years, and realized food tasted better and mom actually put much needed weight on. She started eating more. Don’t know when but at some point emphysema struck them both and they pretty much ended things while smoking again.
        I am not ever giving smoking a free pass.
        I do concert promotions now and have refused the sponsorship money they so gladly offer. My competition thinks I’m crazy to not take free money.
        I don’t promote things I don’t agree with.
        You and others can do what you want and so can I.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Captain Turbo I have no intention of voting for anyone who deliberately destroys or contaminates the world we live in. Those who do are the real cancer in society.

  • CaptTurbo

    The greenies and the EPA are a cancer. The voters need to treat the condition. Speak LOUD in November!

  • My 2¢ Worth

    “the groups want broader Federal regulation”.. And THAT’S the bottom line.. Their not concerned with wild game, they simply want to continue with BIG g’ment. Let the feds spoon feed us until we turn into gelatin.. they already have a good portion of couch potatoes, afraid to spank their over spoiled brats and tired of watching others having any type of fun so why not herd in the rest to mingle with the sheeple. Any pug who’d go out and hunt just to kill and leave the carcass is brain dead to begin with.. It’s NOT the hunt, it’s the experience in going out to seek food for you and your family under emergency situations.

    • Daveh234

      You really blame all that tripe on the liberals?
      You certainly have some sort of dementia.

  • http://gravatar.com/tony1691 Antonio

    Yeah, i agree, lets ban the lead and start using the real stuff, you steal core bullets. I think that if the pigs can have steal core ammo we should quit using the soft stuff and feed the pigs with their own ammo when the S.H.T.F….

  • Harry Haines

    Lead is the final decay product of three of the uranium types. It has been here since the begining of the universe. It has been here thru all forms of life that have ever existed on earth. Hasn’t destroyed any of them yet.

  • Steve E

    If lead ammunition is so deadly to the environment, then Normandy Beaches must be lacking in wildlife. So must be Gettysburg, Richmond, Atlanta, Bull Run and other places where lead was flying around at an unprecedented rate. But I don’t see any evidence of any damage to wildlife at any of these places.

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coalminer

    High concentrations of lead derivates in the environment hold a real danger to … holds little or no threat to their health since the lead simply passed through the …
    http://www.wingshooters.co.za/pdf/LEAD%20POISONING2.doc

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