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Governor Of Idaho Takes Action Against Obamacare

April 22, 2011 by  

Governor of Idaho takes action against ObamacareIdaho Governor C.L. "Butch" Otter has unveiled an executive order that prohibits the State from implementing Barack Obama's healthcare reform law.

Otter issued the mandate on April 20 after he vetoed a bill that was designed to nullify the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The governor rejected the legislation because he said that it would have forced Idaho to forgo the creation of a State health insurance exchange, thus allowing the Federal government to intercede and carry out their own plan.

In his executive order, Otter says that no executive branch department or agency is allowed to "establish or amend any program or promulgate any rule to implement any provisions of the PPACA," quoted by CNN.

Idaho is among 27 States that have sued the Federal government over Obamacare, charging that the individual mandate — which requires Americans to buy insurance by 2014 or face financial penalties — is unConstitutional. Federal judges in Florida and Virginia have affirmed that stance.

During a town hall meeting in California on April 20, Obama said that the slow process of passing the healthcare reform may have prompted some Americans to reject the plan. The bill was signed on March 23, 2010, about 14 months after the President took office.

Obama speculated that some citizens were so turned off by the "typical Washington bickering" that they began to question the law's merits, according to CBS News.

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  • Vigilant

    The Obamacare challenges need to be presented to the SCOTUS at the earliest possible juncture.

    • EddieW

      But…there is also the 2 Billion in the healthcare bill for Obozo’s 2 armies!! and they are to be used against…foreigners? NO…against our own people!!! It’s so amazing that Congress knows Obozo is illigetimate, but won’t do anything against a fellow Dem…I reckon the Rep’s are the same!! then the “supreme”Court will not even hear a case against Obozo…so they are corrupt too!!

      • Mike in MI

        EddieW – Right, we know at least two of them are and will never recuse themselve. They have refused to so far and seem to have no inclination to suddenly get ethical now.

      • WayneT

        The Communist, Liberal Democrats do not have the stamina, or the guts, to take on Obama, or the left wing media. This means that we, the people, have to be smart enough to see through this idiots mind (Obama) and get rid of him, and his fellow cronies, (Zombie followers) The only reason gas is so high now is due to Obama’s anti drilling policies against oil. Again, when gasoline hits around $5.00 to $6.00 a gallon this summer, this should change a few peoples mind about Obama’s anti drilling policies. This fool, Obama, is giving Brazil over two billion dollars for off shore drilling there, but he stops us from doing the same thing here. Can anyone make any sense out of this???? I certainly cannot.

    • Alice Hallock

      We can do a lot to save the US, one state at a time if we all start nagging our state governors and leg. to pass nullification commissions. once the states pass these into law the commissions will look at all laws and regs. from the federal gov. past, present and future and if they are unconstitutional the state refuses to accept them. But you have to get out there and spread the word and nag, nag, nag. Send emails and letters, phone calls.
      obama thinks all the power comes from the fed gov but he is wrong. It comes from the states. they have the right to do this. STATES RIGHTS, remember. We can get our country back.
      We are 5p0 sovereign states not 50 slave states for obama, soros and the UN, the UN has no business messing up our country. They should mind their own business or GET OUT! A lot of states are looking at this and I’m told 2 at least have these bills slowly making their way through their state leg. But you need to get the word out. We need to move faster.

      • Alice Hallock

        By the way nag to have your state pass (prove you are eligible to run or you cant run in our state laws) several already have. It’s a start.

    • http://MSN CHARLEY60

      Butch also backed and got Medicaid funding removed from the state budget 100%. Giving up having to do any cost sharing. This closed the dept.s taking care of the mental disabled children, the health dept.and so forth. He is another Republican worth more than a billion dollars protecting himself first.

  • http://www.mohanarun.com Mohan Arun

    Atleast one guy is sensible enough to see through the so-called healthcare reform bill using the PPACA.

    • James

      Mohan Arun, I believe 26 other guys (states) perceded him.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        James… Eventually it will have to be thrown out. With so many states opposing it, the end result will either be defunding it or scraping it. Either will work for me!

        • Jovianus

          Ya gotta love the wacked Right. So the good governor decides to ignore federal law and refuses to have the state agencies begin implemntation. So he is exposing his citizenry to the penalty clauses if they don’t comply themselves, yet the good governor is making it impossible for them to comply. He’s also risking sanctions for not complying, including loss of federal dollars. Bet he doesn’t bring that aspect up when defending his actions…lol

          Nice way to decide a person’s actions for them. Frame it as a “state right” issue…and force people to incur a penalty whether they choose so or not.

          Michigan’s GOP legislature and Govenor decides to usurp elections and voters. Wisconsin’s GOP governor and legislature decides to ignore voter desires and rights of collective action (both btw giving their donors sweetheart deals in the process costing the very same voters and taxpayers a few million), driver’s licenses being required in Tennessee, and proof of citizenship in Colorado, Oregon, South Carolina, Kansas and Tennessee, the GOP in NH wants to take away the right to vote for students because they won’t vote the way he thinks they should..[“the kids go into these general elections, they’ll have same day registrations, which are the kids coming out of the schools and basically doing what I did when I was a kid, which is vote liberal.”}

          Dang… the GOP sure is looking out to protect people … by keeping them from voting, from registering, from making decisions about whether to comply with federal law, to keep them from having to decide if they want to negotiate as a group, to give sweet heart deals to previously selected donors (thus making it easier on voters so they won’t have to hassle with open bidding for contracts)and on and on…

          All in the name now of “voter fraud is rampant”…which study after study shows is virtually non existent.

          Yeah yeah you guys will scream “voter fraud is rampant” …yet won’t be able to cite much except by way of rumor and allegations which, when researched, will be shown to be faked or over hyped.

          Jeesh…

          And you guys are proud of this?

          • Thamera

            You bet we are proud of a governor like Otter. Keep up your clueless rambling Jovi it only strengthens our resolve to keep people like Otter in and people like you, OUT!

          • Thamera

            btw Jovi, the majority of the people in Idaho back Otter and are proud of his stand on state’s rights and they aren’t afraid to sacrifice some of the so-called “comforts” and “promises” in the name of safety and health and protection that come with the rules and regs of a federal mandate. If you knew ANYTHING about the constitution and the founder’s stance on state rights you wouldn’t be so quick to fall in step with the fed govt. and make such a complete, blathering fool of yourself.

          • Dan

            My only regret is that my Governor Otter hasn’t got tougher on the Fascist Fed.

            Jovlanus if you try real hard I’m sure you can speak from you mouth instead of you’re a$$.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

            Jovi is a gov union worker thinking we should be forced to support him and his collective BS

          • Mike in MI

            J’anus – You two-faced, America-hating, employee of The commie-in-chief.
            If you think Otter is wrong in going against federal law it is therefore inevitable that you LIKE the fact that Obama, Reid and Pelosi have illegally (in breach of their oaths of office and establisment of anti-American legislation) passed unConstitutional edicts. You should face-paint a hammer and sickle on your forehead. Just remember when the leninists finally took over they jailed and destroyed everybody who assisted their rise to power. It’s been a habit of every such regime since. Just a little forecast of what you’ve got coming to you.

          • Jovianus

            Thamera says:
            April 22, 2011 at 11:43 am
            You bet we are proud of a governor like Otter. Keep up your clueless rambling Jovi it only strengthens our resolve to keep people like Otter in and people like you, OUT!

            ====> OK…so we’ve established you are proud of a governor who has decided to take away from people the choice of obeying the law or violating it and having sanctions put on them. Myself? If I don’t like a law or not, I’d rather be able to decide to take the sanctions/penalties on my own..rather than have a governor decide I’m going to get hit with penalties because he’s decided not to allow that option for me. But then, you’re on record that you’d rather have that decision made for you.

            ———-

            btw Jovi, the majority of the people in Idaho back Otter and are proud of his stand on state’s rights and they aren’t afraid to sacrifice some of the so-called “comforts” and “promises” in the name of safety and health and protection that come with the rules and regs of a federal mandate. If you knew ANYTHING about the constitution and the founder’s stance on state rights you wouldn’t be so quick to fall in step with the fed govt. and make such a complete, blathering fool of yourself.

            ===> Hokayyy…so when the majority of people in Wisconsin object to a GOP usurption of the people’s want, that’s OK. But now you’re using that as a reason for the Governor usurping people’s independence of choice? As to the US Constiution, I may not be a legal expert in the US Consitution, but I sure as heck know more than you…and that is plain obvious fact. Now…let’s talk about your use of the word “founders” stance on states rights. Care to detail which of the “founders” you speak of? Those of the Dec of Independence, of the First Continental Congress, the Second Continenetal Congress…and which speciofically since there were more than a few holding differing views? You use that word so cavilier, be a tad bit more specific. I understand being vague and using a worthless term prevents your ignorance from showing…but ain’t gonna happen if you want to establish some sense of credence. You TPers are very similar in that you never are specific except when you want to toss around insults and irrational claims without substantiating the effects and qualifying it with ‘as long as I don’t get hurt’…

            150fowl says:
            April 22, 2011 at 12:25 pm
            Jovi is a gov union worker thinking we should be forced to support him and his collective BS

            ===> Again, another wacked who has no thought processes and has decided that since someone has the utter gall to put him in his place (amongst the ignorant savages), he must be something the writer is somehow irrationally hating.

            Mike in MI says:
            April 22, 2011 at 12:34 pm
            J’anus – You two-faced, America-hating, employee of The commie-in-chief.
            If you think Otter is wrong in going against federal law it is therefore inevitable that you LIKE the fact that Obama, Reid and Pelosi have illegally (in breach of their oaths of office and establisment of anti-American legislation) passed unConstitutional edicts. You should face-paint a hammer and sickle on your forehead. Just remember when the leninists finally took over they jailed and destroyed everybody who assisted their rise to power. It’s been a habit of every such regime since. Just a little forecast of what you’ve got coming to you.

            ====> Errr…care to detail what these so-called “unConstitutional edicts” are? I am not aware of the SCOTUS agreeing with you on any of that. As for the remainder of your brainless twitter there Sparky… how about you explore new horizons and go beyond mindless chatter of a twit and be a tad bit more intelligent than a jellyfish?

          • libertytrain

            gee jovi – the left ignores and tramples the Constitution – you good with that?

          • Thamera

            Here you go Jovi, just one of a thousand examples I could throw your way. Let’s start with Thomas Jefferson, shall we?

            Jefferson once wrote, “When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated.” To resist this centralizing trend, the sage of Monticello was convinced, the states needed some kind of corporate defense mechanism.

            And the following quotes are regarding the Principle of 98:

            It must not be forgotten, that the state of Connecticut is a FREE SOVEREIGN and INDEPENDENT state; that the United States are a confederacy of states; that we are a confederated and not a consolidated republic. The governor of this state is under a high and solemn obligation, “to maintain the lawful rights and privileges thereof, as a sovereign, free and independent state,” as he is “to support the constitution of the United States,” and the obligation to support the latter, imposes an additional obligation to support the former.

            Resolved, That the government formed by the Constitution of the United States was not the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; but that, as in all other cases of compact among parties having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.

            Resolved, that the principle and construction contended for by the party which now rules in the councils of the nation, that the general government is the exclusive judge of the extent of the powers delegated to it, stop nothing short of despotism, since the discretion of those who administer the government, and not the Constitution, would be the measure of their powers; that the several states which formed that instrument, being sovereign and independent, have the unquestionable right to judge of its infractions; and that a positive defiance of those sovereignties, of all unauthorized acts done or attempted to be done under color of that instrument, is the rightful remedy.

            How many more examples would you like Jovi?

          • Thamera

            Jovi asks: “so when the majority of people in Wisconsin object to a GOP usurption of the people’s want, that’s OK. But now you’re using that as a reason for the Governor usurping people’s independence of choice?

            First of all, you are not coherent. Second, what do you call a president forcing a health care system on people that don’t want it Jovi? Is that the freedom and independence of choice you are talking about? LMAO and PLEASE GET A CLUE – hopefully you can make your way through the examples provided you, if it isn’t beyond your comprehension that is.

          • James

            Jovianus, In the United States the federal government only has certain powers that were delegated to it. Power over healthcare was not one of those powers, the States retained such powers for themselves, each has it own healthcare program. Prior to Obamacare, the U.S. had the best healthcare in the world. Canadians sneaked across our border because their socialized national healthcare was so inferior to ours. Americans who oppose Obamacare aren’t against healthcare, they’re fighting for States rights.
            When the British nationalized their healthcare, hundreds of their doctors fled to America to escape government control of their professsion. Today British healthcare is the worst.

        • Mike in MI

          Robin from Arcadia -
          “With so many states opposing it,…defunding or scrapping it.”
          Well, the farther it goes in the developmental processes the less likely it is that it will ever be undone. Worse no one seems particularly interested in upholding the injunction by the Florida Judge who called it unConstitutional and DIRECTED that implementation be stopped. Obama and his friends are acting in a purely anti-American, illegal and subversive manner in everything they do in order to bring down everything our system has as fundamental principles. He and everyone who pushed and voted to pass it are acting in abrogation of their oaths of office to protect and defend the United States, the Constitution, our borders and laws.
          Worse the republican Congress is fritterring away time and effort to act to controvert what was done in the last two years. They are too spineless to act so as to “offend” the Democrats or be really controversial since it might make them “look bad”. They can’t beat the Senate to really pass anything or overturn a predictable veto but they could be defunding parts of Obama’s administrative efforts and drawing attention to what is illegal in Obama’s attacks on America.
          But, if no one gets serious amongst the general public and Republican Congressional memebers, last November was a wasted event anyway. It seems like the Republican leaders have cowwed the brand new conservative members and their heirarchy are bent on winning in 2012, only. That way they can be on top while pushing us down the primrose path to Obam’s dream of “transforming America” into his image. To a great extent the “silent majority” is being put back to sleep or coopted back by fear they’ll have to “sacrifice” something they hadn’t thought about last fall. It’s sort of like the Revolutionary War wherein 1/3 wanted independence, 1/3 were neutral and 1/3 wanted to retain British rule – but I don’t know the ratios today.
          Ellen (below) only wants healthcare reform to result in lower insurance premiums and a revamp of Medicare/-aid.
          Well, that is naive as long as the health system is DOMINATED by traditional medical and allied treatment systems. The only way to effect change and reduce costs is a massive turn to more natural, healthful systems of care (like what Dr. Wiley bravely stands for).
          I mean MASSIVE turning away from and turning to. But I don’t see that occurring since too many adults and children have been MADE drug and treatment (not “care”) dependent…cosmically expensive. A whole lot of you don’t realize how quickly you will fall into pain or disease if drop out of medical oversight. Then you’ll come running back to what you want – dependency and the hope of quick release from what ails you rather than basic health and responsibility. The whole thing is intensively subtle and closely controlled by people who care about $$$, not you. Real HealthCare could be quite simple but the information (the “how to”) is being with held from you and is becoming more stringently controlled to keep you behind their fence.
          Lower costs are not going to happen without the necessary change. So, forget about lower premiums or less government expense in regards to health – especially as the population ages…unless you want to take the inevitable “hit” for awhile. “They” won’t make it easy…and are without scruples.

          • kammel7

            Hear, hear, Mike!

          • Kate8

            Mike in MI – I don’t think anyone has any intention of overturning O’care. I think it’s all just more show to keep us distracted while they finish up getting the new system in place.

            It’s obvious that the “law” is unConstitutional, but that only matters if anyone gives any authority to the Constitution, which they have plainly stated that they don’t. While all the debate is going on, the O’care system is being implemented, and will have us by the shorthairs before we know what happened.

            As for people turning to alternative healthcare is large numbers…well, they HAVE been. At least in numbers large enough for the Rockefellers and BigPharma to notice and feel threatened. Bills are popping up in Congress and some of the states to completely criminalize any “healthcare” but BigBro’s. People are catching on, so the noose is tightening before we break free.

            We are getting down to the wire. I think some kind of showdown is imminent.

          • TIME

            Mike, Kate, Your both dead on target! Great post………

        • James

          Robin from Arcadia, IN, As long as the Democrats control the Senate, nothing can be done to repeal, or defund, Obamacare. Our problem here is that too many Americans are on the take from the federal government. Any reduction in spending will hurt lots of Americans, that’s why they can’t agree on spending cuts of any significant size. We’re headed for massive inflation and the dollar’s doom.

  • http://none Shadyman

    So POTUS says the “slow process” and “typical Washington bickering” caused people to be turned off. How about the “Cornhusker Kickback” and the “Louisiana Purchase?” Explain how the US Rep from up North (his name escapes me) was pro-life and against the bill, which pays for abortion, then suddenly voted for it and announced he would not run for re-election.

    No, it’s not “Washington politics” as much as it is D-L-P (Democrat-Liberal-Progressive) Hurt-America-First politics!

    • Ellen

      As I recall it, people were upset that the bill was rammed through without giving Congress the opportunity to read it. This is typical Obama spin and, unfortunately, many gullible people will believe it. Most of us want healthcare reform to lower our premiums and lower the costs of Medicare/Medicaid (thus reduce govt spending). Instead, we’re all getting higher rates for a few conditions that impact a small percentage of insurance buyers. This bill was always about increasing the welfare state and never about helping Americans cut healthcare costs.

      • Jovianus

        Step back and think what you just stated Ellen. The bill was ‘rammed through” with no one able to read it? Seriously? It took 14 months to hammer through that health care reform. Most of that was consumed by rational people dealing with the irrational rantings of the Right. The Right, bought and paid for by corporate interests, lied made stuff up, denigrated, and yelled, pouted, disurpted, and fought against the best interests of the msjority of Americans and small businesses so that big corporate America, small narrow entrenched special interests, and a fw wealthy supporters would benefit.

        If you remember..ha! If you did, you would recall the furor over so-called “death panels’. That never existed in the bill. Anyone who read the bill would agree those were never in the buill. Only by twisting one sentence out of touch with reality could you even come close to such a creation. Yet…that was the main topic for months. All a Big Lie. Or the disruptions of the town meetings held by members of Congress when they visited their home distruicts. Written ‘talking points” and instructions how to disrupt the meetings were passed out and discussed beforehand. Buses of “disruptors’ were paid to travel from meeting to meeting.

        Rammed through without anyone knowing what was in the bill….my gawd. What planet were you on at the time?

        • WayneT

          Jovi, you are still asleep. Get with it man. Pelosi, made a statement that we would all know what was in the bill when it was passed. And you still believe in buying a pig in the poke without looking at it. Come back to reality. I rest my case.

          • Thamera

            Jovi states: “my gawd. What planet were you on at the time?” We might all ask you the very same question Jovi. And I have noticed, you ask for facts and follow up but when the facts are given to you, you split and run. That’s hilarious and very telling.

        • Matt Newell

          Sounds to me like Jovianus is reading from the liberal play book and changing the names of the players to suit his argument. They kept changing what was in the health care law until the last minute — NO ONE knew what was in it, and when it was finished they didn’t pass out copies to ALL congress people until the day before the vote.

    • Suzanne Short

      Obama is the typical Communist dictator. He presumes we are all stupid and we will believe all of his arrogant and untruths about any topic. He just keep dishing out the propaganda. The reason the bill has been rejected if for many reasons: killing off the elderly, the innocent babes, the outrageous cost of of the implementation, and of course the reason that this bill was not even read before it was signed..So many stipulations are in this bill to destroy the American liberties and freedom. There are no words truly to express the deplorable and treasonable actions of this illegal, president, Obama. He should be ousted from office….All bills signed by him are null and void….he must become now null and void as president. There are so many Communists and Marxists within our government. We must demand COMPLETE REFORM AND ALL TO BE RELIEVED OF THEIR POSITION BEFORE THIS COUNTRY CAN GET BACK ON THE RENEWED ROAD WE ALL SEEK. THEY MUST NOT SUCCUMB TO SORROS…HE MUST NOT BE PERMITTED TO PERFORM THE EVIL ACTIVITIES HE HAS DONE HERE AND ABROAD…SORROS IS LEADING THE PACT. Write all of your elected officials and demand that they succumb to our Constitution not to the Sorros plot to destroy our country and the foundation that is was built upon. “In God We Trust.”

      • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

        Suzanne
        You are correct except it goes a lot deeper than communism. How many of out Reps or Senators have you herd discussing your subject. It is about complete control. One world Gov. Kissinger goes on tv talking about how bad our gov is. He is lying. He is a Bilderburg memper. Both Bushes are members. Bush senior stated on national tv that we are ready for a one world gov. Clinton and Clinton are members, Sorros is a member and I am sure Obama is working for the same results and possible a member if allowed. Most gov. bureaucrats are globaliests. Be careful, dig deep, learn. Almost all past Empires lasted between 225 and 250 years max. America is approaching this time period. I am old enough that I lived thru the best years of Ameica. I feel very sorry for my children and grandchildred. They are going to have it very rough. Good Luck P.S. A light example: Some areas in the U.S. now are not wanting to allow you to sent your kids to shcool with a lunch from home. Whats being feed is up to them, Kiss my a…….

  • Macawma

    Obama is delusional. The bickering may have turned the public against it??? What part of “unConstitutional” does he not understand?

    • Tom from Idaho

      Macawma, Obama is not dilusional – - he’s just a flat out liar. I haven’t seen, heard nor read anything he has said that has been true yet. I simply don’t trust the man – - at all. He’s the closest thing to a dictator that I’ve seen in this country in my (nearly 60 year) lifetime. But, that’s what dicataors do; they lie to get power and they lie to maintain it.

      Also, the press here in Idaho had Butch Otter as “caving” when he vetoed the nullification bill. I did not know until this article what the full story was. As one who voted for Gov. Otter, I was disappointed when he did that, but now I am in full support of him as he takes a more appropriate measure against the implementation of ObamaCare.

      • kammel7

        Tom, “As one who voted for Gov. Otter, I was disappointed when he did that, but now I am in full support of him as he takes a more appropriate measure against the implementation of ObamaCare”.
        I’m genuinely interested in knowing why you support his move. The conservative/libertarian websites & 10th Amendmt Center, which touted the passage of HB298, are strangely silent on Otter’s move. Maybe they’re analyzing it before offering an opinion? I don’t know but I’m still skeptical.

  • louie

    Throw the bum out…..

  • AUGUST REKAR

    Once we git rid of all the illigals in the US we will have a solution to healthcare.

  • Cliff Siebert

    Otter ROCKS!!

  • Enough…

    Hmmm!!! BHO Says “Slow process”,Typical Washington bickering” caused people to be turned off………Well, Just maybe those same people are affraid of the switch being turned off on their lifes. The death panels will decide if AND WHEN you get your medicine. Oh well, It just maybe be too late. I can not imagine breaking an arm or leg and waiting for a panel of “Politicians” appointed by the President to decide whether I should get the medicine to heal me.
    Please God help America and Bless us agian.
    How did this Flaw get to become Americas Pres…
    We are in big trouble America if you all don’t see how he is running this country into the ground.
    Enough!!!!

    • Thamera

      I work with families who are on medicaid and believe me I am no fan of the medicaid program for several reasons; but one thing I can tell you is that you are exactly right about the quality of care. If people think they have it bad now with their insurance companies it will only be worse when the govt. is done with it. Folks on medicaid should know this. Already a panel of bureaucrats can override your doctor and quite regularly do and the patient has very little recourse or decisions regarding their care. And so far, I have mentioned this before, the only thing that the “health reform act” has done thus far has made buying over the counter meds MORE difficult. If that is a precursor of what is to come – Watch Out! Way to go OTTER! Yes, I voted for him! :D

      • Lastmanstanding

        Thamera. We have a medicaid related business. The fraud in this program would make most working folks blood boil. I saw a poll the other day that 58% of Americans wanted medicaid reform…Most of them have no idea just how much fraud is occurring.

        Personally, It should be stopped immediately to EVERYONE UNDER 60!

        I may be possible at that point to see an incredible reduction in spending…That is if the politicians would actually allow transparency!

        • Thamera

          Yes it would Lastmann and well it should. The fraud and abuse and outright waste that I witness everyday, does make my blood boil. It is unbelievable and at EVERY level! Many medical care providers are beginning to refuse to see patients on medicaid and I can’t say that I blame them. As for families that REALLY need medical treatment, it is out there but not for every sniffle, hiccup or cough. I have long believed that at the very LEAST, people on medicaid should be required to pay SOMETHING toward their medical care and services or at least get a bill to see how much the taxpayer is contributing to their welfare.

    • Kate8

      Enough…So, O is telling us what we think and how we feel, so he can justify going forward. I guess he thinks we’ll just agree with him.

      Actually, he doesn’t care what we think or feel. Why should he? It never was for our good, and anyone who thinks it is is delusional.

      It is the control system for the NWO. Nothing else.

      • WayneT

        Kate, some peoiple need lead by the nose, or they would get lost, and not be able to make it on their own. I see we have a few of those people on here that supports Obama.Now, I will no menton any names, of course. I can’t even stand to watch Obama on TV. All his talk is hot air. He does not speak of anything that has any substance. I usually turn my head while he is speaking, or turn the channel to another station.

        • Kate8

          WayneT – Same here.

          In all fairness, it’s not really their fault that they cannot think. Their minds have been intentionally moulded into tunnel vision.

          “Believe what you are told, not what your senses tell you”.

          • WayneT

            I totally agree with you, Kate8. You are right, we have to feel sorry for them.

  • jimster

    Obamacare has been ruled unconstitutional by a Florida court as is on appeal. So there is currently no healthcare law. We’ll see what the supreme court does.

    • Ret

      When the judge who upheld barry’s demand for personal secrecy is now a supreme court justice, exactly what do you think will happen?

    • smilee

      Other courts have found it constitutional, a fact you chose to ignore and if the law is found constitutional all these states will have egg on their face

      • Don

        Does that mean your for it, or against it ???

        • Mushin

          Don, pay no attention to Smilee – she’s a liberal who comes to these forums looking to stir up trouble and create an argument. The fact that the so-called “Health Care Reform” is unconstitutional is irrelevant to this person – why? because Smilee and people like her are obviously paid to come here and stir up trouble have only one agenda, to cloud judgment.

          Don’t let her undermine the facts – Barry is a fraud in every way. He’s not an American, he (and his cronies) have no interest in upholding the Constitution nor is he {legally} the “president”.

          All arguments to the contrary are null and void. Creating a state of upset is all Smilee does and all she’s here to do.

          Ignoring her is the best possible action and eventually, she’ll just go away.

          • Kate8

            The problem with court rulings is that, once the courts have been corrupted with activist judges, the rulings no longer are based in Constitutional Law, but in furthering an agenda.

            Those like Smilee make much of court rulings. I wonder if he/she is so accepting when such rulings don’t reflect his/her personal/liberal ideology. Smugness reigns when it reflects something liberals want.

            100 courts could rule O’care to be Constitutional, and it wouldn’t make it so. They could just as well rule that pigs fly.

          • WayneT

            Smilee, I can see you are a person that no one can reason with. You has all the answers, but no way to back up all that hot air. You are a person who cannot analze, or absorb what others are trying to say. If some one says black, you say white, or the opposite. It is ok to agree to disagree, but you don’t have all the answers. You have got to express youself in good faith if you want others to communicate with you. To give you an example; I don’t like Obama’s policies on going green as I don’t think it will ever work. His policies has already driven up the price of gasoline, and on all other consumer products. You know this when you fill up your car with gasoline, or buy consumer products, especially groceries. If Obama would get his way with not drilling for oil, you are going to lose over 100, very essential, by products made from oil that you use ever day that you are not even aware. Google “products made from oil” and see if you are willing to give up these consumers goods made from oil. Then come back and logically explain to us if you can do without these oil by products.

          • Smilee

            Mushin says:
            April 22, 2011 at 9:49 am

            Don, pay no attention to Smilee – she’s a liberal who comes to these forums looking to stir up trouble and create an argument. The fact that the so-called “Health Care Reform” is unconstitutional is irrelevant to this person – why? because Smilee and people like her are obviously paid to come here and stir up trouble have only one agenda, to cloud judgment.

            Don’t let her undermine the facts – Barry is a fraud in every way. He’s not an American, he (and his cronies) have no interest in upholding the Constitution nor is he {legally} the “president”.

            All arguments to the contrary are null and void. Creating a state of upset is all Smilee does and all she’s here to do.

            Ignoring her is the best possible action and eventually, she’ll just go away.
            ______________________________________________________________________
            Boy are you ever filled with conclusions based solely on your stupid assumptions without an iota of evidence to support your thinking. First assumption you have my gender wrong, second assumption, stating my position is not trouble making unless that is the definition applied to all here and it does not sound that is what you meant, third assumption the bill is relevant to me, fourth assumption I am not paid I just stated my personal opinions and if your judgment is clouded by my posts then I guess it is a self induced clouding of your judgment by yourself, fifth assumption, your second paragraph is totally untrue and solely your imagination at work,the same applies to your third paragraph.

            In your dreams will I go away, your entire post has nothing in it to enlighten anyone here or increase their knowledge. An effort of stupidity

          • Smilee

            Kate8 says:
            April 22, 2011 at 3:40 pm

            Once a court hands down a ruling everyone ends up obeying it, some like you will always bitch about it but never the less you are powerless to anything about it. Keep bitching if it makes you happy.

          • Smilee

            WayneT says:
            April 23, 2011 at 7:48 am

            Your description of me is more accurately a description of yourself and it would be more helpful if you would tell the truth and quit your lying.

        • Smilee

          Don says:
          April 22, 2011 at 9:22 am

          Does that mean your for it, or against it ???
          ________________________________________________________-

          Neither it was just to bring to your attention the information that they chose not to tell you and it is factual

      • Thamera

        And where exactly does your unmitigated “faith” in the courts come from Smilee? These same courts have “trampled” all over the constitution not once but in several cases. Courts have been given too much power and people like you kowtow to them without doing any research of your own which is plainly obvious based on several gullible posts I have read from you now. Your understanding of the constitution is NIL!

        • Thamera

          Like Jovi, you Smilee like to “hit and run” and when asked questions that actually requires thought based on facts you both reply with a vapid “whoosh” of nothing. Very funny.

          • Smilee

            Whats faith got to do with it??, They still have the power vested in it by the constitution and if when they exercise it your do not like it, tough, your opinion does nothing to alter the power of their rulings. I understand you do not like it but if you better understood the constitution you would better understand their rulings but the ignorant will always suffer because of their lack of knowledge. My sympathies.

  • kammel7

    “Otter issued the mandate on April 20 after he vetoed a bill that was designed to nullify the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The governor rejected the legislation because he said that it would have forced Idaho to forgo the creation of a State health insurance exchange, thus allowing the Federal government to intercede and carry out their own plan.”

    I’m confused. Can someone explain why Otter vetoed a nullification bill because it would ‘allow’ the Feds to intercede & went with an executive order? Isn’t nullification saying NO to the Feds? It almost sounds like he wants to implement his own state-run healthcare.

    • Rich

      The health care legislation says that if the state does not create an insurance exchange, the fed has the right to do it for them. The executive order says they cannot.

      • kammel7

        Thanks for the reply, Rich.
        “In his executive order, Otter says that no executive branch department or agency is allowed to “establish or amend any program or promulgate any rule to implement any provisions of the PPACA,” quoted by CNN.”
        So, the executive branch can’t interfere but…legislative? judicial? This still doesn’t seem to cover all threats. Has anyone on this site read the entire order? Just wish this article had a few more details.

    • James

      Kammel7, Duh! All states have always had their own healthcare systems. They’re complaining about federal intervention.

      • kammel7

        James, Duh! I am not an idiot…”forced Idaho to forgo the creation of a State health insurance exchange”. At 1st glance, it looks like Otter is complaining that Idaho would be ‘forced’ to not create a State health insurance exchange (which is not the same thing as state’s current healthcare systems). I understand now that not creating a State exchange supposedly allows the Feds to do it for them. I still question whether a governor’s exec order is better than straight nullification (which to me means the whole legislation is nullified, including the part where the Feds think they can step in).
        I’m just tired of thinking hurray for a step in the right direction and then finding that the devil is in the details.

        • James

          Kammel17, The only powers our nationall government has are those enumerated in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. All other powers reside in the States or the people. Read the 10th Amendment.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com 150fowl

        James Anyone who does not complain about Fed Gov intervention needs their own health care system for mental problems.

    • http://www.lp.org Jerbigge

      States might do a better job of it than the federal government. Some states are considering a single payer plan that would deliver health care at lower cost. This is how the Canadians got started on their system, and they pay a lot less for health care than Americans do. US pays 18% of GNP for health care. Rest of world pays 2/3rds or less of what the US pays and manages to cover virtually everyone.
      The US health care industry is a monopoly enforced by government. Closest parallel to this are the public employee unions.

      • frogtrainer

        JERRBIGGE!
        Guess You’ve not been keeping up the baby from CANADA who was slated to die by the CANADIAN health care ‘ court’. Came to ST. LOUIS , was treated, had his life saved by OUR health care system & returned home .

      • kammel7

        If Obamacare is so bad, why would I want it at all? It doesn’t make me feel any better if grandma’s life depends on a ‘death panel’ run by a state governor vs a president.
        That being said, if a state’s population votes in its own healthcare legislation that pertains to its own population, they can go through that process. That doesn’t seem to be what’s happened in Idaho. I’m not sure why a governor’s exec order is less offensive than the president’s plethora of exec orders that make an end-run around the constitution.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jerbiggie,
        also Canada’s healthcare is costing the nation so much money, they are considering going back to a plan using individual insurance!

  • tim

    This why he got his 2 liberal wenches into the supreme court. They will pay him back with thier vote everytime!

  • Lostwages

    It’s great for Idaho, too bad Kalifornia won’t ever wake up! Too many dumbocrates here!

    • Barbara

      This is why so many Californian are leaving the state. Otter is trying to protect us and Thank You.

  • Sally

    Good for Otter! Keep up the good work, man!!

  • Joe

    From Georgia, Thanks, keep it simple and plain Governor Otto. Why don’t you run for Pres. Obama who? I second Louie’s statement above, throw the Bum out!

  • disabled vet

    Way to go, Gov. Otter:

    I applaud and support your firm, intelligent, and able stance on this issue…please consider a run for President…at your worse, you would be better than the current, er, person, who is from where?

  • disabled vet

    Ellen, you mean congress can read?

  • Conservative at Birth

    I have a solution to Medical Care and Retirement. Allow deductions for ALL medical care costs including insurance premiums; Allow deductions for Medical Savings Accounts that cannot be used except for medial expensense until retirement age at whic time they would be taxed; Allow deductions for retirement savinsgs (IRA, 401K, etc.) and eliminate Social Security and make it a requirement that each individual contribute 10% of their gross income to a retirement account and empolyers must match 6.75%. If we must maintain social security make it a minimum amount to sustain current beneficiaries.

    • Conservative at Birth

      typo errors sorry.

    • http://Lowcountry Myrtle K

      Sounds good, but the government would find a way to steal that, too.

    • kammel7

      Not bad ideas, Conservative, but I object to the fundamental precept that the govt can ‘allow’ me to keep my own money with deductions and then ‘require’ me & my employer to make contributions to retirement accounts.
      How is that different from what we already have? Health savings accounts, 401k & traditional IRAs are already deductible and I & my employer are required to contribute to Social Security.

    • Pete NY “R I P FEDERAL RESERVE BANK”

      Good points, C at B. I would add, deduct vitamins and minerals supplements as well. And costs of health clubs and supplies. Good health maintenance ought to be rewarded.

  • http://Lowcountry Myrtle K

    Keep up the good work, Butch. Don’t let the liberals beat you down like they have done to many well meaning people. Those who were trying to keep this country out of complete control of the liberals and could not stand up to them. Please hang in there. We, all Americans need like you to do this. Maybe, some of our other governors will follow your brave and wise decision!!!!

  • Thamera

    I wish there was a “like” button on these forums :D

  • s c

    Go, Idaho! Anything that puts der Obummer in his place works for me. I have a question for you herds of anal retentive, power-mad, empty suited progressive space cadets. WHY do you dare to talk about CHOICE, when you hate it?
    You frickin’ hypocritical moonbats think ‘choice’ is great when it gets you what you want, but when it benefits someone else (especially if it makes sense and it’s fair), you twits hate “choice.” Take your political English, your Nazi p c ways and hit the road, scummers.
    Up with Idaho! Progressives and all their friends have no love for America. May you get what you deserve. And, don’t forget to take that ‘thing’ in the W H with you. Depart!

  • Joann

    If this law is so legal why has obummer given 2000 waivers to different companies. That should be all telling to the citizens of the USA, or maybe be these companies will be expected to vote for obummer in 2012 election

    • kammel7

      Good point, Joann.
      BTW, Otter’s executive order has a waiver process for any agency seeking to not abide by its prohibitions. That may be a standard ‘out’ on these kinds of things but it makes me wonder…the proof is in the enforcement.

    • Dan

      Obamacare or what ever else you wish to call it wasn’t about health care! It is about control. Control over you life. Obtain a copy of this unconstitutional law and read it. I did, and some parts it took a few rereads to understand its meaning.

  • kammel7

    Read this article from localnews8: BOISE, Idaho — The so-called nullification bill that Republican state legislators worked so hard to pass is now dead.
    Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter vetoed it in favor of his own executive order, which blocks portions of President Barack Obama’s health care reform law.
    The order says state agencies cannot implement or receive federal dollars for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
    Otter said the bill, HB298 was too strict of an interpretation.
    “The bill went further than what the authors intended it to do,” said Otter. “It basically said you couldn’t plan anything that looks like ‘Obamacare.’”
    The governor said Idaho has been working on a health insurance exchange for the past five years to help consumers understand their options. House Bill 298 would have handed over control of that exchange to the federal government.
    In a letter to the secretary of state, Otter said the bill “can impose regulations and requirements that discourage or make it impossible for insurers to offer affordable health coverage to individuals and small employers in Idaho.”
    People in Idaho Falls had mixed reactions.
    “I hope some big states follow, like Texas and California, that say they don’t want to be part of the health care lot either,” said Simon Burke.
    “I think that too many people in Idaho don’t have health care and this will just make it more difficult for those who can’t afford health care to get health care,” said Barbara Condon.
    “I feel like the federal government has the right idea, that health care needs to be improved,” said Christopher Hanning. “But I believe strongly that there’s a better way; there’s another way.”
    The Supreme Court is expected to eventually hear the case against Obama’s health care reform.

    Now compare the above article. The local article leaves you with the idea that Idahoans want Obamacare (which is false). The above article leaves you with one of the most disingenuous statements ever made that people just don’t like the process & bickering (which is false). Notice the 1st few replies here jumped on Obama & tout Otter. Why not question what really happened here. Google Idaho governor exec order & read the actual order & Otter’s veto letter…then ask yourself which would have been better…veto/issue executive order or sign nullification bill?

  • Dan

    Tom, I also am from Idaho and like you my first impression was “what”. As the late Paul Harvey said ‘Now you know the rest of the story”. I can’t honestly name any news paper I trust to print the full and correct story.

    150fowl, I like you grew up in the peak of Americas greatness. A time one could play outside after dark fell upon us without fear of demented gangs. A time if you felt bold enough to bad mouth a teacher or cause a ruckus you found yourself bending over with a wooden paddle homing in on your butt. A time when we had a President who refused to join the very group of buffoons controlling our present day government, and we know what happened to JFK. As a side note, President Reagan also did not belong to the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, etc groups, and a failed attempt to lethally remove Reagan took place. All the remaining presidents we’ve had and currently have do have ties with above mentioned groups. Unfortunately it goes far beyond just the president.

    I make it a point to educate my grandchildren to what is really going on in America.

  • larry jensen

    The people in the private sector, that pay for the government employees, have no collective bargaining group to oppose the power of the Unions.

    The government employees salaries, health care, vacation, sick leave, and retirement benefits exceed those of the people working in the private sector that pay for the government employees. I’m afraid the tail is wagging the dog. If the government employees think they are being underpaid, I suggest they do everyone a favor and go into the private sector and earn some of that “Big” money.

  • Irene

    Don’t you think ObamaCare was passed to take care of Obama? Our government has been overthrown starting with the 11th amendment. The U.S. government was supposed to deal with the states and foreign countries and NOT with the people. There was no way to get money for the wars unless the powers that be could get it from the people. Therefore, there were acts passed in violation of the Constitution, such as the 16th and 17th amendments and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and all its amendments. When the Senators were elected by the state congress they wouldn’t dare pass laws like ObamaCare or they would lose their jobs. Let’s restore the Constitution with the help of all States and the Lord.

  • Raggs

    Has anyone asked Trump ( cotton candy hair ) what he would do if he became the next prez about this illegal obama-care?

  • http://google mike b.

    Time for Hussein Obama to get into a war with another state of the union.

  • Jo

    Obamafraud will not survive. Obummer is a dangerous enemy combatant,
    and should be in jail.

  • Steve

    I don’t think any of the States should implement any of obamacare. This will all wash out by the next election cycle. If half of the States said they were’t doing it then that would have a bigger impact on the supreme court’s decision. Hey do you know how you can tell that Obama is lying? When his lips are moving. Didn’t he say that he was going to bring both sides together and get rid of partisan politics? Didn’t he say that he was going to bring transparency to our government? He’s a liar and if there ever was a time for the States to stand up for someting it’s now.

  • Steve

    trai•tor (trāˈtər)
    noun
    One who betrays one’s country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason, (ie. President Obama).

    trea•son (trē′zən)
    noun
    1. betrayal of trust or faith; treachery
    2. violation of the allegiance owed to one’s sovereign or state (US and Arizona); betrayal of one’s country, specif., in the U.S. (as declared in the Constitution), consisting in levying war against the U.S. or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies, (ie. Islam, Moslums) Fiscal irresponsibility to the detriment of the country.

    im•peach (im pēc̸h′)
    transitive verb
    1. An attack on the credibility of a witness for reasons relating to prior inconsistent testimony or evidence of lying. (Watch: Obama is usually lying when his lips are moving. Too many to lies to list here)
    2. An administrative procedure, defined in the United States Constitution, under which the president or another government official is brought up on charges and tried by the Congress, and, if convicted, is removed from office.

    Now, I will use these words in a sentence. Impeach Obama, the traitor, for treason.

    Have a nice day.

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