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Governor Brewer Vetoes ‘Birther Bill’ And Legislation To Allow Guns On College Campuses

April 20, 2011 by  

Governor Brewer vetoes 'birther bill' and legislation to allow guns on college campusesArizona Governor Jan Brewer has rejected two pieces of legislation that received ample support from GOP lawmakers.

On April 18, the Republican governor vetoed a bill that would have allowed guns on public college campuses, as well as a proposal that would have required Presidential candidates to prove they were born in the United States before being placed on the State ballot.

In an interview with FOX News, Brewer admitted that while she supports the expansion of gun owners' rights, she said the bill passed by the Arizona Legislature was "sloppily written" and would likely face legal challenges. She claimed that the law could be misconstrued to include K-12 schools, where Federal law prohibits firearms.

In regards to the "birther bill," Brewer said that the new law could open the door to "arbitrary or politically-motivated decisions," quoted by CNN. The legislation, which would grant power to the Arizona Secretary of State to confirm a candidate's birth status and subsequent ballot eligibility, was approved by Arizona legislators last week.

Lawmakers in Arizona can override Brewer's veto with a two-thirds majority vote. 

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  • Michael J.

    Looks like Brewer has decided not to become the lone target on this one. Or maybe she’s already seen the second shooter perched atop the grassy knoll. It’s up to Arizona legislators now to protect the entire nation from another 4 years, which may be what Brewer intended all along in order to avert the crosshairs.

    • Jana

      Michael J.,
      I would like to see a law like this passed too, but the law was doomed from the beginning when they stated that they HAD to show either their baptismal records or their circumcision records. Now what was up with that?
      How many people can show a baptismal record? I know I was baptized but I could’nt come up with my record of it, and I definitely wasn’t circumcized.
      She actually made the only logical decision she could make under the circumstances.

      • Flynn

        Jana

        If you were baptized, it is a simple matter to come up with your baptismal record. Just contact the church where you were baptized. If it was a Catholic church, it is a simple matter. Any Catholic church can do it. All you have to do is remember the diocese where it happened. If it was a protestant church, then you must remember the actual local legalized entity. If it no longer exist as an organized church, then you may have a problem. If Barack Obama was ever actually baptized, he can easily come up with the record of it especially for someone who has several millions of dollars to spend to conduct the search for it or to hide it.

        • Alex

          Protect your children—keep them away from Catholic Churches.

          • libertytrain

            How sad of a human being you must be.

          • denniso

            Why is he sad? His point is that the catholic church is full of pedophile priests,has been for centuries and still is. His point makes perfect sense.

          • libertytrain

            Oh Denniso, you are another one of the ALL is evil – and you think the conservatives are goofy —

          • denniso

            Not all catholic church’s are bad,and not all priests are pedophiles. But w/ thousands of case of abuse by priests for decades it is probably a good bet that you never know which priest is going to be an molester of children…would you take that chance w/ your child?

            The primitive church could stop this tragedy almost entirely if they let priests marry,man or woman. Their archaic adherence to the stupid celibacy rule is more than absurd,it’s sick.

          • libertytrain

            I spent 12 years in Catholic schools, years that I loved. So did many others; my children attended Catholic schools – many people I know, many, many people I know. To date, no one I know has ever expressed even the slightest question about the priests they had all those many years. And since it is now “in” to talk about these things, I expect if anyone I knew had a problem they would be talking about it. I’m not saying things didn’t happen to some folks, but not to the extent some are trying to create —

          • libertytrain

            there was a married-with-children teacher at the local PUBLIC school who caused quite a stir over his need to touch boys in private places. Ah, heck, he wasn’t even Catholic – how could that be!

          • denniso

            So do you agree w/ the church’s position on celibacy? Can’t you imagine it produces men who develop perversions because they are denied an integral part of human life, sexuality and family. It’s a sick and totally unnecessary rule and the time is way past when it should change. How many more thousands of children are we willing to have molested?

          • libertytrain

            You are saying celibacy creates child-abusers? That goes against all what the gay proponents spout about. A child abuser is a pedophile, oftentimes married; sometimes they are gay – This argument against celibacy is not logical. Whether I am against it or for it isn’t of any importance, but do I agree with your rationale/logic, no, because you would argue something totally different if we were just speaking of gay men…

          • libertytrain

            Also, pedophiles hide amongst us – out in the open, in trusted professions, as teachers, ministers, and sometimes priests; lawyers, doctors; judges; politicians; every type of occupation.

          • libertytrain

            Denniso -have your conversation with the Dalai Lama – get his take. Of course, he’s not Catholic so it’s probably ok with you that Buddhists are, as a rule, celibate.

            “For monks and nuns, the practice of celibacy is not just a rule. Our target is to try and reduce negative emotions. Sexual desire and attachment are enjoyable, but act as a basis to anger, hatred and jealousy.”
            Dalai Lama

          • denniso

            Buddhists are not celibate as a rule,only a handful of the top leaders are. Using the Dali Lama as an example is silly…one ‘holy’ man who lives above all others in a totally different and insulated life.
            Gay men are not celibate either…where did you get that from? No they can’t directly produce their own children,w/o a surogate, but they are not even close to celibate.

            Celibacy is utterly contrary to all of nature’s plans…we are sexual creatures,and just as we need food and water,we need the expression of our sexualality.It’s the height of human arrogance to think we can deny a fundamental part of our makeup and not cause any psychological
            difficulty in a person,especially a man. There is absolutely no doubt that priests are unique in the numbers of abusers as a group,and it’s not rocket science to figure out why that is.
            Why would anyone feel the need to defend celibacy in the priesthood still,and how would it possibly damage the church to end it. The catholic church is declining,while many others are booming,w/o celibacy.

          • libertytrain

            Excuse me, I didn’t say gay men were celibate you said: “Can’t you imagine it produces men who develop perversions because they are denied an integral part of human life, sexuality and family. It’s a sick and totally unnecessary rule and the time is way past when it should change. How many more thousands of children are we willing to have molested?”

            Which makes no sense whatsoever. Celibacy does not create pedophiles. No, I still do not agree with what you determined in this comment quoted above.

          • denniso

            Too bad that you can’t agree that celibacy is it’s own perversion…I’m right. It’s so obvious unless one has a built in bias. Yours exists because you went to 12 yrs of catholic school. I went for one yr and that was more than enough.

          • libertytrain

            You are correct, I am just an ignorant fool and you are always correct in your theories, assumptions about other people and all else that enters your mind.

          • denniso

            I’m pleased you agree that I’m correct about everything. Seriously,isn’t that the essence of debate? You can be facetious about it,but you think you’re right and I think I am. Nothing wrong w/ that,except we should be willing to listen to people we think are wrong,as a check on our own assumptions. If you don’t think we all have biases based upon our upbringing and lifestyle,then you can’t claim to be open minded or tolerant.

            I guess your earlier comment about gays and perversion was meant to label gays as perverts. That’s not correct. We do know now w/ little doubt that homosexuality is genetic and not a choice,so how can it be a perversion? What is it really? Abnormal when compared to the larger group,or a minority existence. Just because it is not the average existence of humans doesn’t mean it is a perversion,just different.

          • libertytrain

            When, per your comment, did I say this: “I guess your earlier comment about gays and perversion was meant to label gays as perverts.”

            How can one debate with someone that has a whole year experience so therefore knows his answer is correct? How can one debate about issues that I don’t have a set opinion on, such as Celibacy; I only know that I don’t agree with your “theories” as to why Celibacy is wrong. I don’t to date know any perverted nuns, nor have I known any priests personally to be perverted by Celibacy; and I don’t think the Dalai Lama is perverted. But I personally don’t have any reason to think much about celibacy one way or the other.
            How can one debate with someone who puts words where words did not exist?
            You are correct – according to you. Who can debate that?

          • denniso

            Well, let’s leave it at that. I’m not trying to beat you over the head,and no,you don’t need to have a firm opinion on celibacy. I just think it’s so clear that it’s a fundamental problem for the church and has been a factor in the thousands of real abuse case in the church,all over the world. See you next time.

        • Kitty

          But of course, there are children who were NOT baptized OR circumcised.

          • Dave

            But ALL of us were born somewhere on this planet and most of us (yourself included) have a long form birth certificate especially those born in the USA. Some of us have both a long form BC and a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) (I for one). In point of fact; the Constitution of the USA clearly dictates one running for POTUS be of natural birth (in this country or its territories) and the child of two parents with singular citizenship – that of the USA.
            It’s main reason; to assure the allegiance of the POTUS to this country and none other! Irregardless on the AZ governor’s bill; with our current situation, this issue is not going away; it’s even more critical (IMO) now then at our founding; imagine BHO instead of George Washington being our first president – we would definitely be under Sharia Law!!

      • john

        the babtismal,and circumcision records are optional for proof of citizenship,if a birth certifecate cant be produced.there is no way that these two documents are proof of being american born. jan brewer is -too smart to open a door that will allow nonamerican born candidates to leagaly run for office in arizona,just because they have BEEN babtised, or curcomsized here.THANK YOU JAN FOR SEEING THROUGH THE SMOKE,AND MIRRORS.

    • Bob from Calif.

      Its starting to look like someone took her aside and rattled her cage.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      The fix is in. It’s as simple as that.

      Brewer is a sell-put.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      This is a touchy issue and I would not want a law that left it up to the Secty of the State to make the decision of who can be on the Presidential ballot in the particular.

      I would much rather see the State Constitution be written exactly as the Constitution is written with the explanation of exactly what a “Natural Born Citizen’ is.

      When the total words of the U.S. Constitution are taken in context it leads you to believe that a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ means a child born from parents who are ‘both citizens of the United States’ and the child is born on the ‘soil of the United States’.

      This is exactly why John McCain was investigated when he ran against Obama. McCain had to prove that he was a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ because he was born in Panama on a U.S. Naval Station which is ‘soil of the United States’.

      Of course McCain with his ‘honor’ did not require Congress to investigate Obama to make sure he was also a ‘Natural Born Citizen’, this was far below the dignity of McCain. Crap, another Republican Boob.

      Everyone is following Obama’s diverson of Kenya, when in fact his father was a ‘Citizen of Britain’ as Kenya was a Province at the time when Obama was born. So Obama is ‘not of two citizen parents’ and it makes no difference where he was born, he is ‘not a Natural Born Citizen’. Another RED HERRING.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Gov. Brewer does not strike me as one that goes about things willy nilly. If she vetoed these bills, she must have had a reason. What she needs to do now is make sure her concerns about the bills and the reasons she vetoed them are made very public and to get those who were involved with the bills regrouped and redo them to meet her criteria and that of the supporters.

    • TIME

      Robin,

      She’s little more than a TOOL I will say it again {they as in all long time Politicians} are in the same boat going to the same place.

      Thus she is no differant than Mac & Cheesecane or Barry.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Time… I agree the majority of the career politicians aren’t to be trusted. They are in it for themselves. I do however believe that Gov. Brewer is not one of them. I could be wrong, but I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt.

        • Denniso

          Brewer is finally showing some sense,and it may develop into a divide between the wacko right and the few sane and responsible Repubs. The true gun lovers and pushers still can’t understand the facts of gun violence,can they. If more guns in society mean more safety for all of us,then we would already be the safest country in the world. We have more guns than any other country,yet we have one of the highest rates of gun violence in the industrial world. It’s not rocket science folks,so what’s the problem?

          On the proof of citizenship issue,states don’t have the right to put up possible roadblocks for presidential candidates…that’s done at the federal level. We could wind up w/ a hodgepodge of bogus requirements from any number of wacky states if that was allowed. The point of the attempt in AZ was only to play on the phony issue of Obama’s birth certificate.

          • Oldpoop

            Please provide proof the birther issue is a fraud – easily done; show birth certificate, not a state created “certificate of birth” which omits the statistics the birth certificate contains. Why has OUR GREAT LEADER spent so much on legal fees to hide such fact?

          • Bear

            Denniso,
            Your logic is what is wacko. Of course we have gun violence. We also have road rage and AIDS yet no one is trying to outlaw cars or sex. More people die every year from hospital and doctor’s errors than have ever been killed by guns. Check it out. These statistics come from the American Medical Association and out own F.B.I.. Look at the countries where guns have been taken away from their citizens. There is still crime and there is still murders. The only difference is that the people being murdered are being murdered with knives, hatchets, baseball bats, screw drivers and anything else that can be used for a murder weapon. Simply put, Denniso, the weapon of choice has been altered by the government’s restriction to firearms and the innocent who get murdered can not defend themselves against a hatchet or machette with a table fork. Your lack of understanding of our 2nd amendment and the right to keep and bears arms is deplorable. This right was put in place to give us the right to defend ourselves against a tyranical government and that is exactly what we have. It also allows people of lesser strength to have a firearm to defend themselves against a person of greater strength, such as a woman weighing 112 lbs against a man weighting 230 lbs. Can you grasp that concept?

            As for the birth certificate issue, oldpoop is right. All Obama needed to do was bring forth the evidence an lay the issue to rest. But, NO, in his never ending attempt to maintain complete transparaency, he has now spent over 2 million dollars in legal fees to hide everything there is about his birth place and his past. If you are truly this stupid and continue to defend this fraud, then you are no better than he is.

          • JC

            Oh good! The comic relief is out on a day pass again.

          • Dan az

            In a press conference last week Obama was not wearing his wedding ring nor was he wearing his watch
            When noticed, his staff said his ring was out for repairs. No reason was given for the missing watch.
            So it’s just a coincidence that Muslims are forbidden from wearing jewelry during the month of Ramadan
            Can’t possibly be that, because although he hasn’t gone to a Christian church service since entering the White House,
            we know he’s a committed Christian “cause he said so during the campaign!………..And I’ve got a bridge to nowhere to sell you also.

            This is the same president that spent the Christmas holidays in Hawaii to avoid religious obligations as PRESIDENT at the White House. His children do not receive Christmas presents.

            Let’s just face the facts and quit trying to tell the truth:
            We have a muslim for president in the White House, and he has no knowledge of American history.
            Hey guys, we’re not paying attention, Muslims will soon rule the world.

          • Jana

            As well as, even the ‘Holiday Tree’ shall have NO religious ornaments on it either.

          • Nota

            Switzerland is the safest country.
            http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2005/07/if-guns-cause-crime-why-is-switzerland.html
            “In Of Guns and Men, Eric Ross, raises some questions the “Guns cause crime” crowd should have to answer, but never do. How do you explain the large amount of firepower and the low amount of crime in Switzerland? If guns cause crime, Switzerland should be a war zone.
            Let’s look at … Switzerland. Tourists are astonished to see citizens carrying military rifles in public, especially at the time of a rifle competition, Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in town. You may see men and women, old and young, even children as young as 12, carrying rifles over their shoulders on the streets, right past the police stations.

            In fact, Switzerland has more firepower per person than any country in the world, and an average Swiss citizen has more firepower than available to combat troops in many armies. Yet, Switzerland is one of the safest places on the planet, a country where crime is virtually non-existent.
            But the average man or woman in the street doesn’t know this. It doesn’t come up in the gun control debate, or if it does, it isn’t reported by the MSM. Who being on the left are in favor of gun bans without question.”

          • JeffH

            JC, luv your directness although there’s nothing remotely amusing or comical about this hate filled nutcase that calls itself denisso.
            If DHS should keep track of anyone it very well could be the likes of a left wingnut called denisso. Definately a threat to any thinking man or woman.

          • JC

            Jeff, arguing with these liberal progressive morons is about the same as arguing with a 12 year old. They refuse to see anything that doesn’t suit their “wants”. You know this and I know this…but as soon as you show them indisputable facts…they go into tantrum mode.
            Children! On more levels than I can count….

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            We may have one of the highest rates of gun violence, but it is the criminals committing the crime as gun laws mean nothing to criminals.

            The decent people / gun owners are not the ones committing the crime. They are the ones who need to protect themselves FROM the crime.

          • denniso

            Bear…you say,’no one is trying to outlaw cars’. Good analogy bear…
            Cars are regulated and restrictions apply to their use. Speed and size are both regulated and restricted by the gov’t,right? There are age limits imposed for their operation…there are things you can’t do
            while driving,like drinking alcohol and talking on a cell. You have to have liability ins, a yearly registration and valid drivers license.

            No one is talking about taking away guns…the only talk is about restrictions,licenses,etc. Why don’t you raise hell about all the regulation of cars and driving?

          • john

            EXCUSE ME DONT YOU MEAN OBAMAS PHONY BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

          • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

            The most armed people in the world are the Swiss. They are actually issued military rifles, trained to shoot them and each year must qualify with them. So you would think by your reasoning that they would have many crimes and homocides – nope you would be wrong. The Swiss are the most freindly and peace loving people I have ever met and there is almost zero crime.
            Guns do not commit crimes. People with no moral concepts commit crimes. People who have never learned self control commit crimes. People who have no concept of logical thought commit crimes. People who legislate away our God given freedoms, commit crimes. People who drive our nation into bankruptcy commit crimes.

            Need I say More??

          • denniso

            Switzerland is the only exception to the rule,that states and countries w/ many guns and few regulations have higher crime rates. Look at a map of this country that correlates states w/ guns and it’s obvious. Switzerland is tiny,homgenious and very old. They also are one of the most socialist countries so they don’t have a large portion of the populace living hand to mouth and desperate for money,so less likely that people comitt crimes of desperation. Using Switzerland as an example of a safe society w/ lots of guns is as wrong as using a city like D.C. as an example of the opposite view. You need to look at the general tendencies and not a single country or city…that’s absurd.

    • Star827

      Arcadia – you are EXACTLY correct.TIME – you are and ID10T.If you people had been paying attention to the news – you’d have seen the reasons she vetoed the bill.I think she very SOLIDLY and INTELLIGENTLY did what was necessary to send these folks back to the re-write stage.She basically told them EXACTLY what they would need to fix in order for her to sign it. – http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/18/arizona-gov-brewer-vetoes-require-presidential-candidates-prove-citizenship/ .
      Now – for those too lazy to actually go to that link and read it for themselves,here’s the quote you want: “Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona’s secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.

      “I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions,” said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

      “In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal circumcision certificates’ among other records to the Arizona secretary of state,” she said. “This is a bridge too far.”

      The certificates were among the documents a candidate could have submitted under the bill in place of a birth certificate.”

      So there you have it.It’s not that she doesn’t support the bill.She doesn’t support JUST ONE PERSON being the judge of the authenticity etc. of required documentation;as well as not approving of some of the proposed ‘accepted’ forms INSTEAD of a birth certificate.

      Sounds like a woman using her brain to me! Oh – but that’s not supposed to happen,right?It MUST have all been politically motivated .People need to wake the H-E-double hockey sticks UP!!

      • TIME

        Well Star, you’re infact the “100% Certified IDIOT,”

        The states already have the power to make such a call, it’s within the power of the “States Attorney General’s office,” as well the Governor office’s can also ask for all doucmentation to insure that the said “potus candidate” meets the noted qualification for such a job.
        I will also add that any States US Congress persons as well Senate persons can also request such intel to address these very issues. Just as they did with Mac & Cheese, yet oddly not with Barry Soetoro.

        So Star perhaps you should pull your head out of your back side and WAKE THE HELL UP, as you clearly are a “100% certified IDIOT.”

        But, thanks for playing, and please do try again. ;-)

        • Jana

          TIME,
          I think you need to reread what Star said as it is true. The law as passed by the Arizona legistlatures read that they also needed to produce their baptismal records or their circumcision records and Gov. Brewer said that went too far.

          • TIME

            Jana,

            I understand that point, BUT – the fact is that all 50 states as it stands as of today {4/20/2011} “all of them” NOW have noted checks & balance Laws on the books.
            Thus the law from AZ is little more than “grand standing” for the public opinion. Again I come back to the TOOL issue.

            Jana, as much as it blows my mind to even say this, its over the United States of America is dead. Its been so for years.

            The day this nation died it was on the Telie for all to watch live from Dallas Texas. From that day forward we have all been placated with THINGS to keep us busy while the sub structure was being refitted to finish the job.
            Whats really crazy is we are paying for our own enslavement.

            Politicians are little more than paid actors, hell they have done a smash up job of playing thier roles just look at the countless monkeys following in lock step to thier own slaughter.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jana– The idea of circumcision and baptismal records is going to far. I will have to agree with Jan Brewer on this aspect of the bill. Who in the heck drafted that bill in the first place and why did they want that included? Probably just to find out what religion the person belongs to.

    • azwayne

      She vetoed because she always has been a liberal. She knows nothing how conservatives act. She used 1070 to steal election that’s all she has done since taking over Arizona. At the wims of her handlers who rip off taxpayers daily

      • Jana

        azwayne,
        She is not a liberal, you just haven’t read all of the FACTS. I am really surprised at Personal Liberty for NOT giving these facts.

        • bob wire

          hard headed bunch aren’t they Jana?

          The governor showed that she has some level of common sense about matters of law and up to the job of a governorship.

          Just attempting to enforce the laws already on the books seem a taunting task alone much less crafting new ones that are full of holes and can’t be enforced.

          • http://Verizon Bud G.

            Right on Bob! The problem I have is how often do the States check the credentials of a candidate? If they allowed the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) on President Obama as certification he was born in the United States when such a document can be produced even if one is born outside the U.S., this is a problem.

            If you recall McCain was challenged on this because he was born in Panama but both his parent’s were U.S. Citizens and one worked for the U.S. Government. President Obama was not questioned on his birthplace and he has spent a few million to conceal his records to include the birth certificate. Why is he doing this?

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Robin:

      Where the hell was the good govenor while the bills were being formulated / written?

      The fix is in. The folks running the show splained to here just where the bear goes in the woods.

      Grewer is a sell-out.

  • Patrick Beatty

    Crazy like a FOX ?!?
    Very possibly a good move on her part. As she’s already been deemed the Anti-Christ(ess) by our current “disaster-in chief”. Singling her out would be the next “logical” step in the current ILLOGICAL & CRIMINAL administration.

    Let the MASSES decide.

    Hell, what EXACTLY is the problem here ?!?

    Laws state that you have to prove identity to buy a beer, when pulled over for speeding, checking into a hotel, using a credit card (anytime & anywhere), while getting a loan, refinancing a current loan, buying a house, or even checking out a book at the library.

    Why can’t the “general public” just accept, enact & exercise the ALREADY WRITTEN laws concerning something so basic as a “citizenship test” – when the HIGHEST office on the planet is at stake ?!?

    After all this time, I’ve heard not a SINGLE excuse offered by the pandering drones of the obama-nation to justify why he should NOT “end the debate” and just present the damn thing.

    If, in fact, he actually has the damn thing to begin with…

    Which still bugs the HE11 out of me…

    And, until I see it, I won’t believe it exists.

    • anthony

      you know?!….i am so damn sick of “the thing” in the white house…so sick that i have to present damn near all of my docs just to cross a border or get a DL or almost anything that I need has to be supported with a B certificate. While this thing in office obfuscates and lies and spends huge amounts of money to HIDE what any American citizen has to show when asked, I have to damn near carry it with me and show it when asked. Damn him and his sycophants and liberals…progressives? How bout REGRESSIVES!

      When will the stupid part of the nation that voted for him get it that “the thing” is an aberration.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Your rant against our President has nothing to do with this article. This Republican Governor looked at the bill and actually thought it through and decided to veto it. Our President has nothing to do with this state issue.

        • wandamurline

          Sorry, but you are wrong….he IS the reason for the legislation in the first place because he refuses to release his background information including a “real” validated birth certificate. Brewer may not have signed the bill, but the Lousiana legislature is working on one and Bobby Jindal said he WILL sign it if they pass one. There are several other states doing the same thing. America has to be protected from the fraud that is in our voting ballots and on the voting ballots in this country.

          • Doc Sarvis

            No other American President has had to do this from what I understand. Conservatives sure are wasting a lot of time when our country has SERIOUS issues to combat.

          • JIBBS

            @ doc, then how doe’s one go about proving they legal to run for president under the laws of the constitution? Please backup your claim with a link to the information you provide.

          • bus

            In the past the press did its job as the watchdog of the republic. Now they are the lapdogs of the democratic party, so some other agency needs to step up and ensure that the constitution is being followed.

          • smilee

            You don’t know where to find the constitution??? Do you own a copy??

        • Buddy

          Are you kidding Doc? Anthony’s point has everything to do with the article.

          If you dont like the message, fine…but dont shoot the messenger.

          • Star827

            @Doc -
            Here ya go -

            Martin Van Buren – 8th President
            Van Buren’s first language was Dutch. Born December 5, 1782 in Kinderhook New York, he was not only the first President not of English decent, he was also the first President to be born in the United States of America. A smear campaign was run, claiming that he had in fact been born in Europe, to account for his Dutch Accent.

            Chester Alan Arthur – 21st President
            His father was an Irish Preacher, and his mother of Native American decent. Born in Fairfield Vermont in 1829, Chester’s father only became a citizen in 1843 (during his son’s Presidency). This raised questions about Citizenship, because Chester could have just as easily used his father’s heritage to become a subject of Great Britain himself, and even run for office in London.

            Also, Dwight D. Eisenhower had to file his birth certificate when he ran for President

            John McCain had a lawsuit filed against him, to force him to establish his citizenship (Hollander v. McCain) during his campaign for President! After he produced evidence and official documents, and after Congressional hearings (!), the U.
            S., by Senate Resolution 511, John McCain was recognized as a “natural born citizen.

            There’s 4 people right there.Not all elected president,but they ran and had to prove it.Do the research.Educate yourself.

          • Average Joe

            Star827 says: ,
            Did you know that William Howard Taft was never lawfully elcted to the office of POTUS? It is a little known fact. If you ask mo0st people, “what year did Ohio become a State?”…the answer will be 1803…which is incorrect. Ohio officially and lawfully became a state during the Congress of 1958- 1959 (it’s in the congressional record)once all of the paperwork was finished.

            A brief outline:

            Technically, Ohio did not “officially” become a state until 1953. This story is little known outside of Ohio (from whence I grew up) and while it might be on the internet somewhere, the story is as follows:

            In the very early 1950′s, Ohio was preparing for it’s sesquicentennial celebration to take place in 1953. In preparation for this event, someone, no one knows whom, located the original 1803 paperwork showing Ohio became a state. Once it was found, it was discovered Ohio becoming a state was never ratified by Congress nor was it signed off on at the Congressional level.

            The powers that be in the Ohio government rushed through paperwork to Congress and on August 7, 1953, Ohio was officially made a state by Congress, made retroactive to March 1, 1803.

            For a more complete explanation, the Ohio Academy of History (OAH) has an article related to this at: http://www2.uakron.edu/OAH/newsletter/newsletter/Autumn2002/features.html

            Now, while congress made it retroactive, the problem remains, that congress does not have the authority to make it so…nowhere in the Constitution can I find that authority given. If they were allowed to do such things, they could go back, change the laws and summarily arrest anyone for anything they choose.

          • Average Joe

            Since Ohio (Taft’s birthplace). wasn’t lawfully a state when Taft ran for office….Taft wasn’t a U.S. Citizen…and couldn’t run for the office.

        • greg

          never before has our liberty been at risk ass it is now.The attack from with-in is so much greater now than with the 2 Bush’s. We need to identify these world Leaders for who they really are,and where they come from. Let’s see the darn certificate

        • Don

          Wrong Doc,, This so called president has something to do with every issue !!

        • JC

          Doc Sarvis says:
          April 20, 2011 at 8:02 am
          Your rant against our President has nothing to do with this article. This Republican Governor looked at the bill and actually thought it through and decided to veto it. Our President has nothing to do with this state issue.
          ——————————————————————-
          And now you profess to know the Governor’s mind?
          What kind of a “Doc” are you?

          Perhaps she thought it was not worded well enough to stand a challenge and sent it back for editing.

      • clara boyer

        Oh me, oh my..anthony has just proven himself to be of little intelligence. But he, unfortunately is not alone…ANYONE who questions our wonderful President Obama’s American citizenship or his morals really have went around the bend. You all either need mental health help or maybe it is just that you need to finally grow up. Please do so…you all are dumbing down America and you are an embarrassment to this wonderful country of ours.

        • Conservative at Birth

          Talk about someone of little inteligence. Need I say more. It is you Clara.

          • clara boyer

            I guess I do have one thing to learn..a person can never get through the thick heads of ignorant knuckleheads like the “birthers”…go ahead keep dumbing down this country and keep dragging your knuckles on the ground…so sad.

          • Jana

            Clara,
            Its not your comment about birthers,
            its your comment about your “WONDERFUL PRESIDENT” yuck, by computer almost balked at me for writing those words.
            You are calling others ignorant knuckleheads??
            GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

          • Carlucci

            I know. After I read what Clara said, I wanted to puke.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Clara… The only embarrassment to our country is the apologizer that is currently our president! And yes, his citizenship is in question! Can you produce your birth certificate? I can.

          • clara boyer

            It is amazing to me how the hospital in Hawaii would report to the newspaper the day after Barack Obama was born in that hospital the documentation of his birth. Gee..maybe our President isnt really even Barack Obama!!..You “birthers” are absolutely deranged…get some help…better yet…GET A LIFE!

          • Thamera

            Actually Clara he isn’t Barack Obama he is Barry Soetoro. Every wonder why the name change? Even if the birth cert were not an issue, why change his name?

          • smilee

            He didn’t legally change his name, legally he has always been Barrack Obama

          • JC

            smilee says:
            April 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm
            He didn’t legally change his name, legally he has always been Barrack Obama
            —————————————————————

            I see, so when he was in school in California as Barry Soetoro and getting government funding as a “foreign student” he was committing an acty of fraud against the government. Isn’t that a Federal Crime?
            Oh well, just goes to show….once a fraud artist, always a fraud artist.

          • smilee

            JC says:
            April 21, 2011 at 8:24 am

            Not a word of truth in your comments! Do you get a rush when you slam Obama with your lies??????????

          • http://naver samurai

            You all have to understand that smilee, along with other morons, don’t let a little thing like the truth stand in the way of a good rant or telling a big lie! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • TIME

        Anthony,

        Sorry dude, they never will think of the old saying your mom used; If Billy jumep off the bridge would you? I always said No Billys is an idiot.
        But how many others said yes as Billy will give them a shinny penny to jump off the bridge?

        Keep in mind the algorithm, of the (60 / 40) but ever this saddly I figure it needs adjustments as its now more in line with a (80 / 20) and thats 80% will do nothing but what they are told to do. 20% is then divided into 15% will do the wrong thing, saddly only 5% will do the right thing.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Anthony,what I believe TIME is trying to communicate to you is tha you can probably look forward to 4 more years of B.O.

          • wandamurline

            Not if the tea parties throughout America have anythig to say about it. We are searching for the right candidate to take this guy down and we will find the ones to do it.

          • Conservative at Birth

            Would you like to bet your life on it?

          • smilee

            wandamurline says:
            April 20, 2011 at 8:54 am

            my guess you will still be searching in
            2013

          • clara boyer

            Darn..I wish we could have President Barack Obama for 8 more years…it will take him that long to undo the mess the Republicans have left this country in. Obama 2012 and 2016!!

          • TIME

            Clara,
            So Your a REAL MONKEY, let me ask you as a Monkey how dose it feel to crap in your hand?
            Do you eat with that same hand?
            Do you also groom yourself with that hand?

          • Carlucci

            OMG – Ladies and Gentlemen, I do believe we have yet another libtard “plant” from Moveon.org or ACORN, and her name is “clara”.

          • http://naver samurai

            Clara and smilee are traitors and want the downfall of this great country. Nothing but morons! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Bear

        anthony, You’ve got to stop bottling up your feelings. It’s not healthy. Tell us how you really feel. :)
        I’m like you and so are many, many more Americans. It’s to the point that I actually hate air travel because of all the scanning, probing, questioning and down right humiliation I have to endure just to get on a damn airplane. This is what this tyrannical govrnment has brought us to. If we had just put a halt to all of the terrorist crap with the first attack by doing what you and I know all Muslims hate, we would not be going through all this “general public” profiling now. All of us need to understand that governments NEVER fix anything. Their only purpose is to control through fear and that’s exactly what ours is doing. When I questioned a TSA agaent’s pat down on a 4 year old at the airport, her response was, “You’d be surprised at what some parents will hide on their children.” That’s all she had to say to give her free reign to continue doing what she was told to do. She and her associates will continue to violate our 4th amendment rights with their unreasonable search by using such simple words. How easy it was for her to hold everyone hostage to her unreasonable procedures.

        • wandamurline

          This is being done to prepare you for the communists…they are pushing the button to see how many will voluntarily be subdued. To let your six year old daughter be groped in the airport is just not right…I would have been arrested on the spot and sued every one involved. The little girl was crying and upset. We tell our children to tell someone when a person does something to their bodies that makes them feel uncomfortable, how can we allow this to happen? And the big questions…why the hell was she being groped in the first place? In order to pull you from a line, TSA agents should have to have probable cause, and before they grope you, they should have a warrant and your have the right to counsel…this is the law. This is being done under the guise of the Patriot Act that is supposed to be used on terrorists…not on American citizens. The easiest way to make you safe is to allow permitted gun owners to board the plane locked and loaded. Think about that. One bank in Texas had been robbed three times…they put out a sign that said licensed gun carriers are welcome…they have not been robbed since. The Patriot Act comes up for another vote in about six weeks, contact your representatives and ask them not to vote to keep the Patriot Act…if you allow them to continue to use it…this administration will be using it on you and your family.

    • Earl

      Let’s get this straight right at the beginning of this post…The president is not a natural born citizen, because his (alleged) birth father was NOT an American citizen when he was conceived and birthed. He was a British subject, since Kenya was under British rule at that time. Then there’s the issue of whether he was adopted by Lolo Soetero while in Indonesia (they don’t allow dual citizenship). Let’s put the birther crap to bed!

      I just read on another blog ( complete with documentation ) yesterday, that his draft registration card and the application do not agree with each other. The allegations are being made by a retired federal worker for the IRS, based on FOIA requests (which were stonewalled for over a year. This agent updated the blog by requesting that his name be used, so as to lend credibility. It included the envelope with postmark copy for validation of the letter’s delivery.

      If this was a fraud, it is likely that the other claims are also frauds….Maybe this is why all the records are sealed. I have a feeling that time and latent honesty in some individuals will eventually sink Mr. Obama. you can whack-a-mole at it for a while, but eventually the truth will come out, it always does…….

      • smilee

        The blogs are filled with BS that are intended to entice the likes of you into believing the lies. You also do not understand the Constitution, it does not define natural born citizen as you describe it, your statements come from the deceivers in out society and you have swallowed that BS hook , line and sinker

        • Bear

          smilee, What lies are you speaking of? Are you saying that Obama is a U.S. citizen? If so, why are all of his records sealed? Why would a man who is honest not come forward and deliver his birth certificate and his records as all other pesidential runners have? Why is it that Donald Trump, a self made billionaire now raising the same question? This is a man with credentials and credibility who is not some wacko who now sees that Obama is hiding things and he too wants Obama to fess up. Why do you defend dishonesty and deception? Why are you not asking for the same evidence and proff? What has made you so confident that Obama is the real deal?

          • smilee

            The proof has been put out there unfortunately you choose to believe all the you set forth in your post which is all lies and you either know that as trump does or your a true sucker for propaganda which is all your statements are

          • Palin12

            Slow day at the union hall today Smilee?

          • smilee

            sweetie I’m long retired!!

          • Bear

            Smilee, What proof is out there? Please tell me so I can be enlightened. A certificate of live birth is NOT a long form birth certificate. Anyone can get a certificate of live birth, maybe even you. You are WRONG, pal. There is only one real birth certificate that has been offered up and that one is from Kenya. By the way, what IS the “10th commandment of our Constitution?” I didn’t know that our Constitution had any “commandments.” Now who looks a bit ignorant. You might have meant “amendment” in you later post but you did not use that word. Kinda destroys your credibility.

          • smilee

            Garbage in garbage out. Try putting in the truth and give up the propaganda line that has been proven to be pure crap totally without foundation or grounded in fact. But I suppose the truth means nothing to you or you would not write it

        • Dan az

          SMELLY
          Answer these questions and prove to me you have a brain.
          If any other of our presidents had doubled the national debt, which had taken more
          than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had then proposed to double the debt again within 10
          years, would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had criticized a state law that he admitted he never
          even read, would you think that he is just an ignorant hot head?

          If any other of our presidents joined the country of Mexico and sued a state in the
          United States to force that state to continue to allow illegal immigration,

          would you question his patriotism and wonder who’s side he was on?

          If any other of our presidents had pronounced the Marine Corps like Marine Corpse,
          would you think him an idiot?

          If any other of our presidents had put 87,000 workers out of work by arbitrarily placing
          a moratorium on offshore oil drilling on companies that have one of the best safety
          records of any industry because one foreign company had an accident, would you
          have agreed?

          If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium
          that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?

          If any other of our presidents had been the first President to need a Teleprompter installed
          to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more
          proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

          If any other of our presidents had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take his
          First Lady to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had reduced your retirement plan holdings of GM stock by
          90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics,
          would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant
          gift, would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos
          of his speeches, would you have thought it a proud moment for America?

          If any other of our presidents had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have
          approved?

          If any other of our presidents had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent
          “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

          If any other of our presidents had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who
          cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

          If any other of our presidents had stated that there were 57 states in the United States,
          wouldn’t you have had second thoughts about his capabilities?

          If any other of our presidents would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five
          minute speech about how the Olympics would benefit him walking out his front door in
          his home town, would you not have thought he was a self important, conceited, egotistical
          jerk.

          If any other of our presidents had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro”
          in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and
          continued to flub it when he tried again, wouldn’t you have winced in embarrassment?

          If any other of our presidents had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree
          on Earth Day, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?

          If any other of our presidents’ administrations had okayed Air Force One flying low over
          millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread
          panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

          If any other of our presidents had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the
          Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want
          it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

          If any other of our presidents had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to
          him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would
          you have ever approved.

          If any other of our presidents had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation,
          even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

          So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?

          Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry. He’s done all this in 21 months — so you have
          that much time to come up with an answer.

          Every statement and action in this email is factual and directly attributable to Barrack
          Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

          • smilee

            After all that I hereby declare you longer full of schitt!!!!!!!!!! that’s quite a load of it so I assume that is now the case.

          • clara boyer

            Dan az…you need to turn off the propoganda filled Fox (Faux) News once in awhile. Broaden your knowledge and watch C-Span once in a while. You will become more informed and alot less braindead.

          • Dan az

            Clara
            I dont have a tv sorry this is just pure facts prove me wrong!Its easy to research just look in the upper right hind corner of your screen and ask the magic box and verify what you say!
            And smelly really dude they where easy questions and just like in school TRUE or FALSE!Can you do anything to disprove any one of them?Proof key word!!!!

          • Average Joe

            Dan az says:

            You really are pushing the limits of their endurance by asking them to actually disprove something, don’t you think?….It is so much easier to just say that something isn’t true, rather than to actually do something like research the subject and disprove it with actual facts….I mean those things (facts), just get in the way… all too often.
            Of course my favorites…the ones where you ask a simple question, that can be verified in under five minutes……and they come back with,”why don’t you prove it?”…..Little do they realize that we already have verified it…before posting…and realize that they are just too dang lazy or too friggin stupid…to do their own work….Life requires critical thinking sometimes….most (75% +- ) of human beings don’t get it though….which really makes it harder on the other 25% of us…..

            If somebody thinks they’re a hedgehog, presumably you just give ‘em a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.
            Douglas Adams

          • JC

            Dan az says:
            April 20, 2011 at 3:54 pm
            Clara
            I dont have a tv sorry this is just pure facts prove me wrong!Its easy to research just look in the upper right hind corner of your screen and ask the magic box and verify what you say!
            ______________________________________________________________

            Dan they can’t prove you wrong, they won’t even try.
            It’s kind of like they brought little paper hats to a gun fight, they have no clue and no ammunition.
            Nastiness and propoganda is all they have to operate with.

          • Dan az

            Hey guys
            I know but I luv to watch them squirm.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Patcick Beatty,
      I have seen a number of people state catagorically that you have to show ID to buy with a credit card or check, EVERY TIME, and it’s just not true. I have “ask for ID” on the back of my cards and they are not signed. most times they don’t even ask or look at the back of the card!! I thank the ones that do and remind the ones that don’t!!

  • WayneT

    I don’t know of any reason why she should have vetoed these bills. I was hoping she would allow the birth certificate issue stand. There is not any reason why a politician should not have to produce a birth certificate when running for president. If this is going to be the case, why would I have to produce a birth certificate if I was going to get a passport? What has happened to you Governor Brewer????

    • JIBBS

      It needs some fine tuning.

    • Star827

      See my response to ARCADIA up there….she had VERY good reason.

  • PA Bill

    Did the Chicago mob get to her with an offer she couldn’t refuse?

    • Snake

      I have to agree with you, sorta looks that way

  • disabled vet

    I think this woman should have allowed the bills to pass, if for no other reason than to put some heat to produce Obama’s highly questionable right to be the president of the US….He obviously thinks breaking the law by illegally entering the US is not an issue…thinks its OK to start a war on foreign soil without voter approval…thinks he can pay bills by wishing money into existence…and thinks that just passing a law without figuring how to pay the bill it will create is the end of the matter: let someone else pay it…In fact, Obama’s thinking seems very screwed up in spending money we don’t have, allowing more people into the US we can’t support or feed or provide schooling or health care for, and by attacking foreign nationals because there was an opening to do so…on par with Mr. Bush’s the younger attack on Iraq because his father failed to do the job completely the first time…

    We need to balance the budget…now, not in five years…spend money we have, after our ELECTED congress votes on it, and stop invading strangers’ territory….we also need to downsize this bloated government, saving money, bring home our victorious troops, now, saving money, and close the border except to legal immigrants, now. We really can’t afford to do anything else, leaving aside moral issues of not killing people that haven’t done much to us.

  • JC

    “Lawmakers in Arizona can override Brewer’s veto with a two-thirds majority vote.”

    And let’s hope they do over ride the Governor.
    What the hell happened to Brewer?
    Maybe they showed her the film taken “from” the grassy knoll….

    • Palin12

      I am sorry to report but it’s been said there are not enough votes to override Brewer.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Palin12,
        I see where nobummer is stating again that he is going to pass extensive immigration reform again. I hope it’s just pandering to the hispanic vote, but I’m afraid it isn’t!! Where is Duncan Hunter Sr when his country needs him???

  • sirian

    I have not read the bills that have been vetoed and more than likely everyone that has commented on this hasn’t either. So, more than likely no one knows exactly how either have been written and to what extent they may be open to the ACLU’s usual idiotic actions. And needless to say things of this nature always end up bouncing around in court after court, appeal after appeal and who knows how much they will ultimately cost the state while in turn profit, financially, the opponents in doing so. As to the intent of the bills I am in full agreement but we have to keep in mind as to the wording involved. The manner in which opponents will ripe them apart along this line is why they both should and must be reviewed, corrected, reviewed and corrected a number of times to avoid such a common onslaught.

  • Alice Hallock

    You don’t often see a Gov. with good sense, who wants what is best for their state.
    I bet Arizona is the first to pass a Nullification Commission. If all the states would do this we could get this country back on track. We could also cut the gov down to size and keep it under control
    For those who don’t know what is. a state passes a law that sets up Nullification Commissions that review all Fed. laws & reg, both past, present and future. If they are found to be unconstitutional then the state rejects them
    A lot of states are considerings this.
    obama thinks the power comes from him & the fed gov. It does not , it comes from the states. We are 50 sovereign states of America. Not 50 slave states of george soros & obama.
    The states could then start reversing the things obama & his czars have rammed through to destroy this country.
    But you have to Nag the Hell out of your Gov., state Leg.,and keep Nagging.

    • smilee

      Unfortunatly the Constitution does not say what you say it does. See the tenth commandment and article I sections 8,9 and 10. Section eight lists the powers of the federal gov, 9 what it cannot do and 10 what the states cann0t do. The tenth amendment makes clear that if the Constitution gives that power to the federal government or deny it to the states then the powers granted the federal government supersede what you call states rights

      • JC

        What?

        • Dan az

          WOW!!!!A true intellect in our midst!!!

          • clara boyer

            It is definately not you though Dan az.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az,
            PLEASE tell me you aren’t talking about smiley!!! PLEASE!!!!

      • Bear

        smilee, I’m still trying to find “commandments” in our constitution. At this point, I have found none. I have, however, found commandments in my bible. One of them says, “Thou Shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” That mans you should not tell lies. I have found amentments in our Bill of Rights though. Could that possibly be what you meant?

      • Palin12

        smelly you quote the tenth commandment above. What the heck are you talking about? Let me read it to you:
        10.”You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

        • smilee

          Thanks for bringing my error out into the open, it should have read amendment not commandment. Again thanks

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smiley,
            He’s working on you!!! Strange, isn’t it??

      • Average Joe

        After 55 years of reading the Constitution…. I never realized it had a 10th commandment in it….WTF?….What drugs are you on?…I wish to avoid them at all costs…..

        In the future, I’ll stick with the founding fathers “orginal intent” when interpreting the Constitution (done by actually reading their writings and veiws concerning the document in question)….and not by listening to some lame-brained, two bit, half wit….like yourself…….Lay off the frigging kool-aide…and seek help…professional help….before you hurt yourself or worse…. someone else!

  • Norm

    Finally a spark of light in appears Arizona.
    I thought the entire state had gone mad, especially the governor.
    Congrats Jan!!

    • Norm

      appears in

    • Eddie47d

      Well said reply Robin. Too many feel good bills are rammed through the legislation without all the I’s dotted and the T’s crossed. Gov. Brewer did the right thing to avoid legal hassles and probably more unenforceable laws.I thought both bills were a cheap attempt to score political points (aka;grandstanding).I’m sure they will be back in a new and improved version and maybe then they will pass muster.

    • JC

      Don’t let your little commie heart get too fluttery Normy…No way Brewer suddenly went “progressive”. I’m sure it’s all a matter of re-wording the text so it will pass muster.

    • WayneT

      Norm, why shouldn’t a state require a politician running for president to produce a birth certificate? Tell us what is wrong with this, Norm? I have to produce mine for various reasons, so why shouldn’t a politician. Are they better than we are just because most of them are just self serving lying politicians? We don’t want foreignors coming over here being our president. I feel this has already has happened. I want to keep this from happening in the future.

      • smilee

        It isn’t right or wrong but the states do not have that power bestowed on them by the US Constitution and that does count

        • JC

          Qualify that idiotic crap please.

          • smilee

            Just why do you think this is crap? explain! just because you do not like it does not make it crap or the fact itr is true.

          • JC

            Re read the garbage you wrote…it doesn’t even make sense as a “sentence”. Let alone come anywhere near the truth.

        • Bear

          Smilee,
          Have you not read the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence? The documents set forth by our founding fathers was to protect State’s rights and to limit the power of the Federal Government. You seem to think it’s the other way around. Every state has the right to enact such laws as to protect that state from any potential threat or problem and that includes someone like Barry Sotero from doing exactly what he and his backers have done. The American public has been duped. The only difference between you and me is that I have figured it out and you are still believing the lie. THAT is the truth!

          • Thamera

            maybe smilee really meant to spell senile…or, he/she spends way too much time watching TV, but one thing is sure senile smilee does not know anything about the constitution…or states rights for that matter.

          • smilee

            The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

            If a power is delegated to the United States in the constitution then the state rights are overridden by federal law. If you have read the Constitution you certainly do not understand it. If the Constitution grants power to the Federal government then that power supersedes the power of the states and they can do nothing about it. The recent AZ immigration law was just overturned by the courts for that very reason and this law would most likely came to that conclusion if she had signed it. Conservative rhetoric would have you believe otherwise because that is what they wish it would be but it is not so they try to convince people that the Constitution says something it does not and its clear you have fallen for that rhetoric hook line and sinker. The courts have spoken!!

    • EltonJ

      Guys, you know what will convert Norm? If he had the rest of his freedoms taken away in the first place.

    • Dan az

      Go back to sleep norm you can do your homework anytime!ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan az,
        He has trouble sleeping as it’s too musty in the basement!!

  • Dan Addair

    We know that age and natural born citizen are requirements for president. Does any of the 50 states have a requirement for verifing these two requirements before names are placed on the state ballot?

  • Norm

    Two quotes from conservative Republicans suggest that a large portion of the GOP wants to finally break up with it’s deranged, self-destructive girlfriend—the “birther movement.”
    First, when Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was presented with the “birther bill”—an amazing piece of legislation requiring presidential candidates to present a birth certificate, babtismal or circumcision records to run— she vetoed it, including a scathing, near-bitchy note to her state’s House Speaker:
    “I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates’ among other records to the Arizona Secretary of State. This is a bridge too far.”
    And she’s not alone in drawing a line. In a recent visit to Fox News, ex-Bush chief Karl Rove said this of 2012 candidate-to-be Donald Trump:
    “His full embrace of the birther issue means that he’s off there in the nutty right and is now an inconsequential candidate. I’m shocked, the guy is smarter than this. The idea that President Obama was not born in Hawaii, making that the centerpiece of his campaign, means that he’s just a joke candidate.”

    • JC

      The Kenyan imposter needs to be catapulted back to Kenya.

      • Norm

        Deranged, self-destructive nonsense!

        • JC

          You must be referring to “Progressivism” right?
          Because sure as hell there’s no faster way to destroy a civilized society.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            I think Norm was speaking of all the damage and destruction that Nobummer has done to both the country AND the Constitution!! LOL!

          • JC

            Maybe so, Joe..maybe so.
            Either way…Catapult the Klingon! LOL

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Norm… Why is this nonsense? Barry could clear this up but won’t. Doesn’t that seem odd in any way to you? What would you do Norm? If it were me, I would produce my birth certificate. He is hiding something. This makes people uncomfortable; maybe not you, but some of us.

          • clara boyer

            You were born uncomfortable with your knuckles dragging on the ground…

          • Bear

            clara boyer, better look in the mirror.

          • JC

            clara boyer says:
            April 20, 2011 at 2:14 pm
            You were born uncomfortable with your knuckles dragging on the ground…
            ——————————————————————–

            Recess is over clara. Save some of your childish stuff for tomorrow k? ;)

          • http://deleted Claire

            Hmmmm…. I get on this site frequently and my knuckles aren’t dragging on the ground. In fact, I stand upright, head held high and proud–especially for what I believe in.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Clara,
            Well you probably have callouses on your backside from sitting in your lazyboy, eating bon-bons, and watching soaps!!! Admit it, that lazyboy is getting a little tight, isn’t it???

        • http://none BruMan

          “Deranged, self-destructive nonsense!” Easy to solve Norm, just show the birth certificate and prove to all how crazy we are. Perhaps a few college transcripts would really prove how nuts we are too.

          • JC

            Right…wouldn’t it be interesting to find even one student who studied under Perfesser Obama?

          • Norm

            Hawaii (under a Republican governor) has certified that Obama was born there.
            People who need to know have seen the proper documentation. Is Arizona now ready to challenge Hawaii? It’s pretty slippery ground.

            You birther idiots hate Obama so much that you are now screaming “no fair” like the 12-year-old loser in the schoolyard.

            This country really has serious problems, and you are a big part of them.

          • EltonJ

            Norm, if you read Thomas Paine’s Common Sense, he will tell you that Government grows because of our wickedness.

            Take a look at how our government has grown since 1787. Take a look at the Social Fabric of our society from 1787 to 2011. Our society has been growing in it’s wickedness and the Government has been growing along with it.

            Is fighting for one’s liberty so wrong? Or perhaps you love living in a Police State?

          • JC

            Norm says:
            April 20, 2011 at 9:54 am
            Hawaii (under a Republican governor) has certified that Obama was born there.
            People who need to know have seen the proper documentation. Is Arizona now ready to challenge Hawaii? It’s pretty slippery ground.
            ————————————————————-

            Slippery ground for sure….for Hawaii.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Norm,
            The governor also said he knew that Nobummer was born there and he would prove it by producing the long form Birth Certificate! Last I heard from the news on, I believe BBC, HE CAN’T FIND IT!!!!!

    • Jo Ann

      Norm: So you and Karl Rove have seen the “Birth Certificate”? No, you have seen the “Certification of Live Birth” which is proof he was born, not where or anything else.When will you wake up? I would like an answer as to why we can’t even see ANY records, school etc. Some one went into the Passport records office and scrubbed Obama’s passport and the one witness who was going to testify on this, was found with a bullet hole in his head as he was sitting in his car. Kinda makes you think twice before asking for answers. I don’t pay any attention to Rove who has an inflated ego himself and has been wrong more than once! At this rate, maybe Osama bin Laden or Putin will decide to come over and run for office?

      • smilee

        The one he shows say he was born in Hawaii, quit spreading lies as your statement suggests you did not read it and if you google it you can find it. Every credible source that has looked at it confirms it is the legitimate copy that Hawaii issues as a birth certificate which certifies that he was born there and when it was recorded. Your word based on nothing but your feelings is irrelevant

        • JC

          Again! His worthless piece of paper is not proof.
          It’s just a worthless piece of paper any tourist giving birth in Hawaii can obtain. It is not proof of citizenship.
          Catapult the Klingon. :)

          • smilee

            Its not his paper, it is a piece of paper created by the state of Hawaii, a LEGAL document created by them

          • Bear

            smilee, What the hell is it that you cannot understand that a certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate? You can go to Hawaii with a child born in Cleveland and obtain a certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii. The certificate of live birth only proves that a child was born and is alive. It does NOT prove that the child was born in the state of Hawaii. Why can you NOT understand that simple fact? The REAL Americans want to see the “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” which he has failed to produce and has spent over 2 million dollars to keep us from seeing. Why would he do that if he has nothing to hide. Only a person with something to hide would promise transparency and then deny it. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT BARAK OBAMA HAS DONE!

          • JC

            smilee says:
            April 20, 2011 at 1:18 pm
            Its not his paper, it is a piece of paper created by the state of Hawaii, a LEGAL document created by them
            —————————————————————

            But it’s not a BIRTH CERTIFICATE….DUMBASS! LOL

          • smilee

            You are asking to see something that does not exist. The one he showed and factcheck.org photographed it from many angles and posted it on their site and in addition to that a letter from the state of Hawaii vital statistics dept states that his birth is recorded stating he was born in HI on that date and was recorded a few days after he was born. It is the only birth certificate that the State of Hawaii issues and it is a legal document that is totally legal and valid what you are talking about is not. Your the DUMBASS here as your trying to convince people that a document that the state says is not a legal document or legally exists actually exists. Its beyond me why anyone would believe you or anyone saying what you do as you are in effect saying the state of Hawaii is lying. I’ll take their word before I will take the word of a DUMBASS like you.

        • ValDM

          Smilee,
          A “Certfication of Live Birth” does constitute a true Birth Certificate. The CLB merely makes a statement that that individual WAS born…….Not when……not where. Btw, if you look at the CLB that has been posted on the I-net, you will see that this document was computer generated. But how could that be? There were no PC’s in 1961.

          • ValDM

            It was meant to say “does not constitute” Got a little ahead of myself.

          • smilee

            It does say where and it does say when!! Hawaii has clearly stated that this information is on file and is correct further factcheck.org has seen it and has several photograph of it on line and determined without a doubt that is a legitimate Hawaiian Birth Certificate and that it not a computer generated document but the real thing. Your asking for something that is not a legal document and prefer to believe what is in your imagination which is totally devoid of the facts in the matter.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smiley,
            I have a friend that was born there about the same time as nobummer, and I have seen his BC and it isn’t anything like nobummer’s CLB!!!

          • smilee

            My old one does not look like the ones they issue now, the old ones are no longer valid. You cannot get a passport or SS benefits unless you order the new type. All the states switched when the federal government changed the requirements of a valid birth certificate to lessen the chance of fraud not unlike what they have done with our currency in recent years so your very much may have seen what you seen but it means nothing. I have copies of both and they look very different and the old one actually contained more information but nothing necessary to accurately certify your date and place of birth.

    • Missy

      Governor Brewer & others are dodging the Birther Issue ONLY as an attempt to appear more moderate. They fear that moving too far right will result in Republican turnovers at the future polls.

      Is she right to veto the bill? Legally, no. Politically, yes.

      I for one just hate when decisions about our state & nation are based on political motivations.

  • samuel welsh

    guns make society unsafe

    • momplayer

      People like you, with your attitude, make society unsafe!!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Samuel… People using guns in a destructive way make society unsafe.

    • WayneT

      samuel, only in the hands of the wrong people. Any decent law abiding responsible person should have the right to protect themselves by the use of firearms. Unfortunately, we do have those low life people (criminals) who will break into a home an kill all the occupants just for a few dollars. Are you the former, or the latter?

      • Conservative at Birth

        I think he might be the latter.

    • JC

      samuel welsh says:
      April 20, 2011 at 8:28 am
      guns make society unsafe
      ______________________________________________________________
      Cars, Trucks, Buses, Airplanes, Forks, Sharp Pencils, Potholes, Politicians, Baseball Bats….and on and on and on…also make society unsafe going by your logic.

      Ban Liberals, as they are the best reason in the world for
      the 2nd Amendment.

    • JIBBS

      you really need to do some research

    • Missy

      CRIMINALS WITH GUNS MAKE AMERICA UNSAFE.

      Take away the guns that the honest citizens have for self defense & the only people left with guns will be the criminals!!

    • Average Joe

      An armed society is a polite society, manners are good when one may have to back up his actions with his life! E’nuff said!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Average Joe,
        If guns kill people then the spoon made Rosie FAT!!!!

        • Average Joe

          LMAO….thanx, Joe…you made my day……even with the soda spewing from my nose….lol

          • JC

            BAN SODA! My God man, it could have killed you! ;)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            BAN NOBUMMER!! HIS SPEACH GAVE ME A MIGRANE!!! I could have gotten an anurism from him!!!!!!

  • Harry

    Gov Brewer made two wise decisions. Kids going to college don’t need to carry guns, most of them ain’t smart enough to be in college and the only reason their there is because high schools pass them along to get them out of high school.

    Secretary of state should not have the power to declare that someone was born in that state. Look what happened with Obama, he has democrat friend in key positions in Hawaii and now can pay the governor and secretary of state to say what he needs them to say.

    Hates off to Gov Brewer, we need more politician like her that are not going to run over by the liberal press or the radical left wing of this country.

    • WayneT

      Harry, I do agree with you on not allowing young college kids to carry firearms. However, I hope they pass the law requiring all politicians running for the president to produce a valid birth certificate. If not, maybe we can bring over the Ex Russian Presdident, Putin, and have him run as our presdent. Would that satisfy you? The Consitution requires a person to be a citizen. Since this is the case, how can we be sure that the person is a citizen if he is not required to produce a birth cerificate? This seems very elementry to me. Common sense does not seem to prevail in this country anymore. We have a lot of these people voting. This is why we are in the economical mess we are in today. Most of the people running for Congress, and the president’s job anymore are attorneys. We need more people from other walks of life to have a good balance. Since this is the now the case, vote against anyone that is an attorney so we can strike that balance if you want to restore common sense back in our government that will work for all people.

      • Oldpoop

        You expect common sense from Democrats? Where have you been for the past 2 years?

      • always right

        What is wrong with you? “Young (college) kids” are carrying M-16′s, M-9 Barettas, SAW’s, M-4′s, TOW missles, Manning M-2 (.50 CAL.) M-60′S, Driving M-1 Abrahams and M-2 Bradley fighting vehicles with every kind of ordinance on the world on them. The bad guys are carrying anything they want, since BATFE has been supplying them with anything they want. The bad guys don’t give a crap about the governor’s ideas nor “gun-freezones” like Columbine or VT. (worked well, Huh?) So who do we want armed on campuses here? The potential victims or the bad guys?

        • Dan az

          Hence the name!!!!

        • JC

          Gun Free Zones = Criminal Safe Zones

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Wayne T,
        don’t forget, a lot of those “KIDS” are vets, parents, and older people attempting to get a degree as well!!! some of those vets have more time responding to gunfire than most cops!!

    • smilee

      Harry says:
      April 20, 2011 at 8:36 am

      Secretary of state should not have the power to declare that someone was born in that state. Look what happened with Obama, he has democrat friend in key positions in Hawaii and now can pay the governor and secretary of state to say what he needs them to say.

      _____________________________

      Stupid statements like this one without documentation are just that, stupid irrelevant statements that have no worth

      • ValDM

        Smilee,
        Do you have any other word at your disposal besides ‘stupid’? You’re convincing me that there’s nothing but dead space between your ears.

        • smilee

          Its the only word that accurately describes what I am addressing!! Sorry it is offensive to you but that soes not change anything

          • ValDM

            It doesn’t offend. It merely shows how limited you are. Get a Thesaurus. I might help you overcome that 6th grade education you’ve been flaunting.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            ValDM,
            SIXTH????? Try second!!!

    • Missy

      It’s not the “radical left wing” that ordered Obama to submit his official birth certificate. It was a Federal Court Judge!

      Obama shamefully sits in Contempt-Of-Court for failing to comply with that Federal Court Order!! He’s an embarrassment to honest law abiding citizens.

      Just as the Supreme Court failed to do their job in not hearing that case, because they were scared to take on the Democratic Party lawyers. Equally so has our Governor failed to do her job in not requiring eligibility for office be confirmed by our State!

      Through his status of in Contempt-of-Court Obama teaches our nation that the law & court orders are not to be followed by the rich, famous, and politically strong. Such a contemptible & deplorable example Obama sets for ALL generations!!

      • smilee

        Missy says:
        April 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm

        HE HAS NOT BEEN HELD IN CONTEMPT OF COURT ANYWHERE!! One judge even fined the plaintiffs attorney $20,000.00 for filing a frivolous lawsuit on this issue, the rest have been dismissed or their decision is pending. The SC has refused to hear it! Does spewing all these lies give you a RUSH??????????????

    • http://deleted Claire

      Harry– Agreed, Hats off to Jan Brewer.

  • Conservative at Birth

    Let’s hope the House and Senate overide the veotoe.

  • Polski

    When will the stupid part of the nation that voted for Dubya cancel out the stupid part of the nation that voted for Obama…….

  • Polski

    what is a veotoe? I know I have a big toe and a small toe, and some middle size toes in between, but I don’t know what a veotoe is.

    • WayneT

      You have it, Polski. It’s the three toes in between. Ha.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Smart ass! I have a disabillity from a TIA that sometimes affects my typing.

      • smilee

        does it also effect your spellchecker

        • ValDM

          Check out some of your posts before you fire off your less than brilliant spew.

    • JC

      Only an ignorant moron picks on a typo…like a little kid.

      • Thamera

        Exactly JC…smilee, you are anything but! Would you like a brownie button for using your spell checker?

        • Dan az

          Thamera
          First he would have to look it up in the commandments!You know those things in the constitution!lol!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        AMEN, MY FRIEND!!!

  • Raggs

    Kinda shocking that with all of the drug totting gun wielding illegals crawling through and under fences to get into Arizona Brewer neglects thr rights of students to protect themselves.

    • JC

      Even more shocking that those “drogueros” are getting some really fine weaponry from BATFE. Saves them having to haul it all the way north from their southern border….where the guns are really coming from.

      • Dan az

        Hush JC you don’t want to give fast and furious away then every one would know!

  • Star827

    FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT UP THERE – REPOSTING -
    Star827 says:
    April 20, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Arcadia – you are EXACTLY correct.TIME – you are and ID10T.If you people had been paying attention to the news – you’d have seen the reasons she vetoed the bill.I think she very SOLIDLY and INTELLIGENTLY did what was necessary to send these folks back to the re-write stage.She basically told them EXACTLY what they would need to fix in order for her to sign it. – http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/18/arizona-gov-brewer-vetoes-require-presidential-candidates-prove-citizenship/ .
    Now – for those too lazy to actually go to that link and read it for themselves,here’s the quote you want: “Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona’s secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.

    “I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions,” said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

    “In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal circumcision certificates’ among other records to the Arizona secretary of state,” she said. “This is a bridge too far.”

    The certificates were among the documents a candidate could have submitted under the bill in place of a birth certificate.”

    So there you have it.It’s not that she doesn’t support the bill.She doesn’t support JUST ONE PERSON being the judge of the authenticity etc. of required documentation;as well as not approving of some of the proposed ‘accepted’ forms INSTEAD of a birth certificate.

    Sounds like a woman using her brain to me! Oh – but that’s not supposed to happen,right?It MUST have all been politically motivated .People need to wake the H-E-double hockey sticks UP!!

    • Dan Addair

      What process does AZ have in place now to check anything before a name being placed on the ballot?

    • WayneT

      What was Brewer talking about when she mentioned something about the Secretary of State may require circumcision, and baptismal records as well as the birth certificate of the politician? What does the first two have to do with producing a birth certificate? Were these two former bills, having to produce circumcision and battismal records, written in the bill? I don’t understand why you can’t pass a law that requires you to show your birth certificate without producing these other two documents. Since this would require both, Republicans and Democratic Members, it certainly should stand a court case. Since this would apply to all parties involved there would not be any discrimination here at all that I can see. I hope the legislatures pass the birth certificate law, but not the other two.

      • smilee

        The law they passed allows the candidate to use those document instead of a birth certificate which does nothing to prove binge born in the US or show citizenship. Stupid yah,so she had to veto it or become the laughing stock of the nation

        • Thamera

          what is “binge born” smilee? lol

          • smilee

            Don’t know, try “being”

          • ValDM

            Smilee,
            Where’s YOUR spellchecker????????

          • Palin12

            thay doan teech spellin down at da union hall Thamera.

          • libertytrain

            ValDM – you know as well as I that the Left has a do as I say not as I do mandate.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smiley,
            did you mean yeah instead of yah??

    • sirian

      Star it seems as if you are one in a million that has really addressed this problem with a logical and research oriented mind. I myself was saying basically the same – they will need to review and correct, review and correct until it is acceptable and heavily resistant to any legal actions that it may draw from the far left, DOJ included. Both have absolutely nothing to do with any particular political stance, only addressing an existing problem in a very direct and clear manner. All in all, basically it’s a simple matter that they attach a bit more CYA to it.

      Insofar as the main intent behind both bills, again, I agree but it must be presented in a very accurate format and wording. Sure, both the House and the Senate could easily over-ride her vetoes but it only seems rational that they merely correct the bills and re-submit. Lord but Arizona is a media hot spot!! Again, it would be in the end, a true benefit to the state of Arizona as well as possibly prompting other states to follow suit.

  • always right

    …and another republicrap whore gets bought off by the blackberry defense team (paid for with taxpayer’s $$) using campaign funds from the demoncrapic coffers. I tell you, there’s not an honest poll-it-tician left out there. Maybe there is. At least they STAY bought.

  • http://www.lowcountry.com Myrtle

    We have so few politicians wo will stand their ground. Thought we had found one who would be true to our cause. What a disappointment. She did a great thing by making laws against illegal Mexicans in WI, a wonderful law but will she stop there?

  • Bitter Libertarian

    If the Bill was written poorly, then re-write it, simple.

    Birther Bill…The Soverignty of a state shall not be denied. Like it or not, States retain the Right to do as they wish in many areas. I personally believe that this Birthrighjt issue MUST be fully resolved. We all know the requirements, but how those requirements are met is the issue.

    • smilee

      in limited and defined areas and this is not one of them where the states have jurisdiction. Just like the AZ immigration billed which she did sign and was struck down,

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Not sure I agree that the states dont have the authority to decide who is put on their ballots. I honestly have dug into it deep enough, but I think i would need to see FACTS & PROOF that states do not have the authority to require this.

        I dont believe anyone can deny the need to ensure the verification process is followed & recorded properly. Its only logical with stakes as high as this to be sure of any candidates eligibility. Americans trust of the goverment employees/leadership is collapsing. Its only logical, at this point in time and in the age of technology to divulge birthrigh issues and have transparency. There is NO NEED to hide anything if its true, and no need NOT to be forthcoming in such matters. The more open and honest a candidate is the sooner people will lower the mistrust level.

        • 45caliber

          At present by custom, the National Convention of each party is expected to verify that their candidates meet all qualifications.

          Nancy Pelousy was the person who had to sign off of Oblama. She actually signed TWO such forms (and I saw both on wnd.com.) The first one stated that Oblama met all qualifications including … birth as a natural born citizen … etc. The next day she signed a second form that stated the exact same thing as the first one EXCEPT no mention of birth.

          To me, that is an immediate admission that Oblama was not a member of the US and that she at least knew it. They wanted to “accidently” leave it out of their form so that she wouldn’t be in trouble if/when it came out.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            I am of the opinion that this matter should Immediately be resolved by whatever means…if we have to use Trump to power this event so be it. It Upsets me that these inconsistancies even exist! They never have before, so why now? Is it a conspiracy against him, or is it factual? Is it another false issue to further divide & conquor us? It has divided the Conservatives to some extent, so is it false issue to create discontent?

            The mere FACT that there isnt 100% TRANSPARENCY is reason enough to Stop everything until its clear.
            I can think of NO REASON the POTUS who job it is to UNITE Americans wouldnt put this matter to BED by showing his citizenship to the People.

      • JC

        The states have ultimate jurisdiction over themselves. Period.

        • smilee

          Not if the US constitution says other wise, why do you suppose the recent ruling of the AZ immigration law throwing it out by the court declaring it unconstitutional. They had overstepped their authority under the constitution. Its so sad how you are always reading things into the constitution that are not in it

          • Bitter Libertarian

            The only sad thing is you aparently didnt read what I said….

          • smilee

            The sad thing is it was in response to JC not you, it was under his post not yours! RIGHT!!

          • Dan az

            Actually Smelly your wrong again and so was calif. when they said it was to.The fact is its on there own books check it out!And when the constitutionality of the foes to the supreme court they to will have to show that its an exact copy of the laws that the guvmnt does not want to uphold,which BTW is treason.Look it up!

          • Bitter Libertarian

            I stand corrected, my apoligies.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smiley,
            Read the determination a little closer! The WHOLE bill wasn’t shot down!!!

          • smilee

            The supreme court refused to hear it. You truly are confused!!

          • JC

            My God but you are busy hateful moron.
            The Constitution is in place to protect individual and state’s rights FROM the Federal Government. Idiot!

          • Thamera

            I share your pain JC

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smilee,
            Then if I’m not mistaken, the decision of the lower court stands and the whole thing was NOT shot down by the lower courts!!! YOU are truly LAME!!!!

          • smilee

            JC says:
            April 20, 2011 at 9:05 pm

            No where in the constitution does it say that is the purpose, go read the preamble where the purpose of the Constitution is set out and you will not find that. That is conservative rhetoric and their interpretation but the Constitution does does not support them. Its just like their interpretation of limited government meaning small government, it does define its powers but says nothing about its size either. The word limited is never used either, it does define the powers but does not say what size it should be for example the size of the national defense is not defined it is left up to the Congress of he US to decide or to provide for the general welfare, its size is not defined either, that is also left up to the Congress of the US. Listening to conservatives and their distorted interpretations of the Constitution distorts the conversations necessary to govern the county.

          • smilee

            Joe H. says:
            April 20, 2011 at 10:48 pm

            The part of the law that the AZ law upsurged the powers of the Federal government was struck down and that was the guts of the law and the Constitutional requirement of the President and AG to defend the Constitution compelled them to challenge this law and the courts found in their favor showing whom better understands the Constitution.

    • WayneT

      If I remember correctly, the Federal Government is more limited that the state government when it comes to the constitution. I know that some of the rights of the Federal Government is to have control of the money, control the military, interstate commerce and a few other things. The states do have more rights than the Feds do.

      • Thamera

        you remember correctly WayneT

        • smilee

          He does not, he very much needs to go back and reread it and maybe it would not be a bad idea that you do the same

  • Bitter Libertarian

    TYPO: I honestly have NOT dug into it deep enough, but I think I would need to see FACTS & PROOF that states do not have the authority to require this. You say they do not have jurisdiction, I am not so sure that a state doesnt have a right to enforce certain requirements.

    Far too many people automatically presume that in the “Chain of Command” States are subordinate to the Federal Goverment, and in reality that NOT the way the Constitution is written.

    • Thamera

      likewise Bitter

    • WayneT

      I feel the Federal Government should be made up by the states. I’ll have to get me a copy of the Constitution and check this one out. Of course, most of the judges make a mockery of the Constitution anyway.

  • M

    I would liked to have seen Jan Brewer praise the logic behind a bill requiring all political candidates prove their citizenship, and let the American people know she was sending it back for revision of language – period. Who among us, has not had to show proof of citizenship in order to get a job? We are even expected to permit a prospective employer to delve into our credit history – an outrageous violation in my opinion; an unjustified intrusion of privacy. However, we are supposed to be OK with an individual taking control of our country without demonstrating proof. Someone point out the logic in that?

    If Obama wants to run again, make him and all others prove they were born here. Why is this not mandatory protocol? I thought it was. But, somehow Obama gets around it. Frightening!

    He has certainly had the time and resources…it would take an incredibly keen eye to discern counterfeit from the real thing.

    • WayneT

      It is a very sad day in our history when we let people run for the highest highest office in our nation without demanding the politicians show that they hold a valid birth certificate to prove they were born in this country. I think Brewer is losing her common sense. I am very disappointed with her.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      M,
      “Who among us has not had to show proof of citizenship to get a job?”
      ALL THE ILLEGALS!!!!

    • Richard William Faith

      It appears to me that OH-VOMIT has already INSTALLED himself as DICTATOR. This is unacceptable. It is long overdue that his REGIME be OVERTHROWN.

  • 45caliber

    Well, she just lost my vote for President.

    • Average Joe

      45caliber,
      No jumping to conclusions…Jumping to conclusions is dangerous…too many people on both the left and right have been injured in recent years doing that. Besides, it’s unproductive.
      I’ll wait until the jury is in, with all of the facts before condemming her actions…..It could be in the wording of the Bills…maybe she is trying to avoid more Constitutional challenges from the Federal Dept. of Thuggery…by dotting the I’s and crossing the T’s before signing it into law….just a thought.

    • smilee

      45caliber says:
      April 20, 2011 at 12:45 pm

      Does that mean your planning to vote for Obama?????

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    So Gov. Brewer vetoed this ‘birther’ bill to require candidates to prove their citizenship to get on a ballot in Arizona. This is disappointing, as we know Brewer was doing a good job, but perhaps now has cowered a bit. It’s not going to solve our current dilemma, which can only be corrected by the 2012 election. In which hopefully we’ll have the right Reagan-like nominee to defeat BHO, just like Carter was defeated in 1980. But the birther bill is still a good idea. While we will hopefully get rid of BHO in the 2012 election, there will be more BHO-like candidates in the future. Remember it was less than 30 years after the Jimmy Carter disaster in which an even worse POTUS – BHO – was elected. At least a birther bill could give some attention to a candidate, perhaps enough to defeat another leftwing Marxist, thus avoiding a repeat of the 11/4/2008 error!!

  • Syl

    Brewer proves she cannot focus on more than one thing at a time. The border is an emergency so everything else is “a distraction”. MULTI-TASK, GIRL! If it is contitutional, sign the thing. Just because it is not YOUR issue doesn’t mean it is not important to us.

  • WayneT

    I found this by Googling:

    Exclusive Powers of the National Government

    Under the Constitution, powers reserved to the national government include:

    •Print money (bills and coins)

    •Declare war

    •Establish an army and navy

    •Enter into treaties with foreign governments

    •Regulate commerce between states and international trade

    •Establish post offices and issue postage

    •Make laws necessary to enforce the Constitution

    Exclusive Powers of State Governments

    Powers reserved to state governments include:

    •Establish local governments

    •Issue licenses (driver, hunting, marriage, etc.)

    •Regulate intrastate (within the state) commerce

    •Conduct elections

    •Ratify amendments to the U.S. Constitution

    •Provide for public health and safety

    •Exercise powers neither delegated to the national government or prohibited from the states by the U.S.
    •Constitution (For example, setting legal drinking and smoking ages.)

    Shared powers of the government

    Powers Shared by National and State Government

    Shared, or “concurrent” powers include:

    •Setting up courts

    •Creating and collecting taxes

    •Building highways

    •Borrowing money

    •Making and enforcing laws

    •Chartering banks and corporations

    •Spending money for the betterment of the general welfare

    •Taking (condemning) private property with just compensation

    Notice under the shared powers, It says: Making and enforcing laws.

    With this why shouldn’t they be able to enforce the Federal Laws at the border with the shared powers????

    • Missy

      Until 1890 the States held all jurisdiction over immigration into their State. I say that the States not only have a right to enforce federal immigration law (just as they do with other federal laws) but the States need take back full jurisdiction of their borders!!!

      • WayneT

        I agree with you, Missy. It is the state’s property, and their peoples lives being effected, so therefore they have a responsibility to protect their people and their property. Anyone who thinks any different would surely have to be a fool. I liken this to the government telling some one they cannot protect their home, or their family. We have got to fire Obama in 2012, or we will be paying $10.00 per gallon for gasoline if he gets another term in office. Or worse yet, there will not be anyone who will have a job.

        • smilee

          The courts do not agree with either of you and neither does the Constituion

          • WayneT

            Smilee, I have lost my faith in a lot of the judges in this country and most of our Congress Members. Look how screwed up our coutry is now, $14,4 trillion in debt, and climbing. It took a lot of work on Congress’s part to screw up this bad. They all should be fired. We will fire a lot more of those Liberals in 2012 along with this screwed up president. His crazy policies are driving this country into bankruptcy. It will never get better this man in there.

          • smilee

            I Do not seeing you offering any solution’s in your rant, just a very angry person who will blame those whom he hates with no regard for the real truth.

          • denniso

            Debt is nothing new. Reagan trippled it and Bush doubled it. Most of the debt increase in the past 2 yrs is the result of the biggest recession we’ve had since the great depression. Tax revenues are down because of it,and because of the Bush tax cuts that the Repubs forced the extensions of recently,under threat of a gov’t shutdown. Defense spending is up every year. Part of the debt is from the stimulus spending that virtually every economist said we absolutely needed to avoid a depression.

            When the economy grows faster we will be able to pay down on the debt.

  • Dan az

    My guess is that she will sign it when the wording is correct,Thats why I and many others have written to her and the reps to hurry it up!

  • Missy

    Brewer was wrong to veto the “Birther Bill”

    There can not be any political motivation or manipulation of the eligibility status of a candidate. That’s rediculous!

    Requiring candidates submit proof of eligibility it is completely reasonable. After all, it’s the State’s responsibility to ensure that the candidates on the ballot are legitimately eligible to run for office.

    There isn’t a political point to misconstrue…Either the candidate has a valid birth certificate, or they don’t!!

    • smilee

      The office of the Presidency is a federal office and not a state office and this issue is one they have no authority over who is on that ballot just as the federal has no authority over state offices. This can only be addressed =by the us AG unless the US Congress writes a law that the president will sign and as this issue is not really in question it seems no governmental entity wants to act on it and polls show the majority believe Obama is a natural born citizen

  • Average Joe

    For me, the “birther” issue is moot and here is my reason for stating so:

    This, from the federal government’s own website.

    For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:

    1.One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
    2.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
    3.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
    Obama was born on August 4, 1961. His mother was 18 years old at the time of his birth (On August 4, 1961, at the age of 18, Dunham gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II.). Do the math… (mothers age 18)= 4 years within the US between her 14th birthday and the birth of her son not the 5 years, as required by the law at the time of his birth.

    Now, considering the law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth, even if he was born in Hawaii… as claimed…he would still not qualify as a U.S. Citizen….At this point, it does not matter where he was born, since he does not meet the criteria as set forth in the law in effect at the time of his birth….period.

    Why has no one else noticed or mentioned this “FACT”?

  • chuckb

    will someone please explain to me why barry shouldn’t show his birth certificate and why are people ridiculed when they ask to prove he has one. most of the republican politicians are afraid to demand to see it and ridicule others that do. doesn’t the constitution require a president of the united states be a naturalized citizen? has barry proven he is a natural born u.s. citizen? no! then why not. does the law look the other way if the nominee is black?. there must be something lurking in the shadows the politicians know and don’t want us to know. i’m sure if when i applied for my passport the clerk would have accepted a newspaper article relating to my birth as a legitimate record of birth. you bet.

    • smilee

      He has shown it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • JC

        No he hasn’t…neener neener neener! LOL

        • Dan az

          JC
          Now you just joined the crowd that put coffee on my screen,Thanks allot!

          • Denniso

            Really Chuckb,I thought you at least were past this nonsense. State oficials in Hawaii have verified his birth there,including a Repub official. We have real problems to deal w/ and you guys are stuck on this absurd broken record…come on, let’s act like adults w/ a brain.

    • WayneT

      Smiley, he has only shown his short birth certificate which only states he was born alive, which we are all aware he is alive. He has not shown the long birth certificate that should have been filed at the time of birth. This one would include his parents names, the doctor’s name who delivered him & etc. Plus other pertinent information that goes along with the original long birth certificate.

      • smilee

        45caliber says:
        April 20, 2011 at 12:45 pm

        The long forms are no longer legally valid and are no longer issued as proof of birth. I had the same and when I wanted to get a passport they would not accept that one and I had to order a new one before they would issue it, the same when I applied for SS benefits, Hawaii will no longer issue that to anyone and of it does not have the state seal embedded in it. This document has the place and date of birth and date it was recorded but not all the info that is recorded it merely states it is recorded. This was done to better eliminate fraud as the other where fairly easy to make. It was the same thought behind the changes to our paper currency to prevent counterfeit. Your argument is irrelevant to this issue

  • Richard William Faith

    I shall not rush to judgment against Jan Brewer in this matter. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that she (above many others) would like to be rid of Obama once and for all, and she already has her hands full with other problems that Obama has caused for her and the State of Arizona; if she spreads herself too thin, she will be unable to fight any of these battles effectively. At the same time, I urge Arizona lawmakers to override her veto. This will accomplish the following:
    1) It will get this important legislation passed;
    2) It will show Jan Brewer that the lawmakers of Arizona are serious about the matter of Presidential eligibility;
    3) 1) and 2) above will both be accomplished without causing Jan Brewer to become more susceptible to abuse by OH-VOMIT than she already is.
    The following I shall not present as fact, but rather as a personal suspicion/opinion: I think that Jan Brewer WANTS the legislature to override her veto on this legislation.

    • denniso

      AZ is already looking like it’s half insane,and you want it to go further off the deep end? Why,do you actually hate the state and wish it were consigned to the looney bin entirely?

      Obama is a legal citizen…none of the supposed Repub candidates are illegal aliens. What’s the point in such a law,only to make AZ look as stupid as the ‘birthers’?

  • Brittanicus

    Is the State of Arizona is thriving?

    Seems a revelation has been born in the Great Canyon State of Arizona, as the Leftist Czars and open border zealots were completely wrong about their economy diving? The Obama administration immediately ran to the federal courts, and Judge Bolton issued an injunction, halting any hope of the SB 1070 policing law going into effect immediately, while the law was litigated and then jumping to the infamous 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The screaming banshees from the Liberal indoctrinated cause, advocacy groups whose agenda is a commitment to no borders at all, swore blind that Arizona would suffer economic devastation? Its a one sided to me when the Dept of In-Justice throws the book at Arizona, but remains silent when Utah legislators are pushing for a unconstitutional Guest worker program. These included massive real estate foreclosures, home buyers would give the state a wide berth, with boycotts that would hurt the State and with a main objective that illegal alien families would flee the state, leaving economic uncertainty?

    So the Liberal progressive couldn’t have been more wrong as Arizona is prospering. The 2010 Census has proved beyond any shadow of doubt, that unlike the illegal alien Sanctuary State of California, and equally opened to occupation Nevada, that Arizona is bristling with new arrivals. It seems that Canadian citizens frustrated with the inclement weather up North are pouring in to take advantage of the low priced homes and the depressed US dollar. Outside of Nevada, the newest illegal immigrant refuge State, Arizona is a rapidly growing in population. Lee McPheters, director of the J.P. Morgan Chase Economic Outlook Center has predicted that the State of Arizona’s population will increase by close to two percent this year.

    What actually happened to retort the silly boycotts and other negative activity, thousands of patriotic citizens and permanent residence throughout the nation, disgusted with the Liberal agenda, decided to deliberately reserve Arizona as their vacation spot. The largest haven for illegal alien households, Los Angeles County issued a resolution against the financially hurting State of Arizona, which got in the craw of millions of Americans. Antonio Villaraigosa, a pro-illegal alien Mayor committed himself, to the boycott and then in retaliation Corporation Commissioner Gary Pierce sent a letter stating to the city managers, saying that he would “be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.” Los Angeles County gets 25 percent of its electricity from Arizona power plants.

    On June 29, last year Governor Jan Brewer condemned the federal government for what she calls its “continued failure to secure our international border,” and announced the unveiling of a new web site for donating money to the cause. She pointed out at this time that signs have been posted on federal property in Southern Arizona to warn people about the dangerous border. Within weeks close to $4 million in donations was received from over 43,000 Americans countrywide, with more than enough to cover the $1.5 million in costs for attorneys and fees. Currently, in the Frontier State the economy has shown little difference in service industries where illegal immigrants work, such as landscaping, fast food, roofing, building, car washes, factories and the hotel industry. Although illegal immigrants are disappearing from the state, prices have barely increased; BUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING?

    California would be my first guess? Nevada is for sure and also Utah? Colorado? These States are exhibiting naked ignorance of the war going on in America. While Arizona begins to thrive, California has to expect more crowded classrooms full of children of illegal immigrants and of course the health care emergency rooms being further clogged to its limits. If you live in these States or any State that is pandering to foreigners, they will not only see Democrat politicians scrambling to enact laws for higher taxes, but your State deficits will rise accordingly as these people look for another haven.

    Reports that SB 1070 is hurting the State economically has not taken into account the near deep recession. Since Arizona has been one of the highest growing in the Southwest, it now has one of the highest rates of home foreclosures. It has been hit harder by the recession than most of the rest of the country, except for Nevada. Arizona lost twice as many jobs as the average state during the economic decline of the past few years. Earlier last year the State of Arizona ranked 12th for job creation of the 50 states surveyed. My first wife who lives right now in Ohio, has decided to buy a home in Arizona. Not as a investor, but to live there. I have already warned her to stay well away from the border, but find a gated community.

    If you want an upper hand to stop these innocuous “Political Correctness” of our immigration laws, forced on us by the Lib-Democrats and their (seeking more votes) or Elite Republicans (cheap labor) our only real alternative is the TEA PARTY. Its overall platform is less government interference, fair taxes, and national security. Their leader’s will halt the unresponsiveness of both parties to our 14 Trillion deficits and not allow the credit ceiling to rise without assurances that government expenditure will be cut, including fraud and waste in entitlements. That a double layer fence will separate America from drug cartels and the far reaching economic immigrants pouring into America. There will be no Immigration reforms, which include amnesties of any kind; currently that means the Dream Act, Sanctuary States, chain migration, that are stealth amnesties.Another very controversial issue, is the instant citizenship infant 14th Amendment law, that must be rescinded or altered, so at least one parent is a citizen.or naturalized citizen. The 1986 Reagan/Simpson/Mazzoli bill is not broken, it was ignored and not enforced.

    We need to look after our own people, living in poverty, not the rest of the world. Low income Americans-residents of all race persuasions, are losing their jobs to discount labor. For decades now the manual workers have been replaced by people from overseas or across our borders who by being illegally hired for massive profits , places even more pressure on welfare, unemployment aid, workers compensation and public benefits. Speak-up, join the TEA PARTY and make this a central issue in coming elections. Attn: Unknown numbers of illegal aliens have been caught in different malleable States voting in our elections. If you believe that your Federal and State lawmakers are not listening to you, but catering to the open border lunatics, check out the pro-sovereignty million member plus NumbersUSA website.

  • http://www.charter.net James Graham

    Well, here it is!

    To me it’s the story written below the documents (explains how Hawaii has a registration) that adds fuel to the fire. No, I’m not a “birther”. At this point, it doesn’t matter anymore.

    Here it is, folks! The document we have been waiting for!
    Now if only SOMEONE in Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this!

    Spread this around…..if these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem to be,
    Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally!

    This is what Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide.

    Here’s a close-up of the top of the document where you can plainly read his name and his parent’s names, etc….

    A British history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961.
    After only a few minutes of research, he called back and said “Sir Edward F. Lavender†Note the same name
    near the bottom of the photo above.
    Source(s): “ Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library.”

    And here’s a close-up of the bottom of the document where you can read “Coast Providence of Kenya ” and the
    official signature of the Deputy Registrar…..

    The above document is a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth”, but below is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth…
    the real-deal legal kind of certificate.

    The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama’s birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in
    Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it
    directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya . Here it is…..

    Note the footprint!!

    The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this
    certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

    The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa , Kenya , a seaport,
    after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa
    ……

    “On August 4, 1961 Obama’s mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .
    Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so
    the Obama’s went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was
    rushed to the Coast Provincial
    General Hospital , Mombasa , Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961
    (what a sad day for the USA !). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu
    as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth.”

    Letter from Kitau in Mombasa , Kenya ……

    “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the
    MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya . I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is
    exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person.
    I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up
    the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders
    name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on
    the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.
    I stress the word “copy”. My copy also has republic of Kenya . So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic
    at the time of Obama’s birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

    The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here.
    We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.
    They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets.

    Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the
    hospital in the back ground.

    It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

    I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as
    well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau”

    • Denniso

      What a waste of everyone’s time! Give it up…you’re sounding like a crackpot and the ‘documents’ are of course fraudulent. Do something,say something,think something productive.

  • Rev Merrick

    When in doubt about natural citizenship, ie born in the USA. Don’t vote for him. Quick and easy answer. Again. Don’t vote for him.

    He will never produce a legal long form birth document or a baptismal record. It’s funny I can produce all my records but why can’t he?

    People in this last election voted for color and not for what was good for the country. I think that there are other men or women of color that can be more effective than what is in the White House now.

    Now is the time to put pressure on your Congressmen/women to scrutinize the background of all candidates. If they fail, don’t vote for them either.

    • denniso

      A republican governor of Hawaii certified the birth certificate for Obama. You people are like a broken record,stuck,stuck,stuck.

      And you think that obama won because he’s black? What nonsense! Blacks couldn’t even vote 50 yrs ago and no black could win a major election until fairly recently. Blacks have voted for Democrats for the past 50 yrs because they helped w/ the civil rights and voting rights of blacks. They also know that the Repubs have NO interest in doing anything to help w/ their everyday concerns,so they will continue to vote Democratic.

      Obama,as a Dem,would get most of the black voted even if he were white. Obama had to convince whites that he was a different sort of black candidate who cared about all Americans,and he did that,more effectively than the elite white Repub candidate did.

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