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Governor Bob McDonnell Reverses Stance On Gay Discrimination Amid Growing Uproar

March 17, 2010 by  

Governor Bob McDonnell reverses stance on gay discrimination amid growing uproarVirginia’s new Republican Governor Bob McDonnell has spoken out against his attorney general’s claim that the state’s schools have no right to ban anti-gay discrimination, as the firestorm surrounding the governor’s first executive order continues.

The controversy first emerged when McDonnell, who was sworn in in January, signed his first executive order that, unlike those issued by two previous governors, did not include specific protections for gay state workers.

Soon thereafter, Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II, also a Republican, sent a letter to public colleges in which he stated that they had no right to impose their own bans as only state legislature can extend such protections, according to The Christian Science Monitor.

The ensuing uproar has led McDonnell to backtrack on his own order and on Cuccinelli’s interpretation by announcing an extension of protections to homosexuals, citing their constitutional rights.

“The Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution prohibits discrimination without a rational basis against any class of persons [including] based on factors such as one’s sexual orientation,” he wrote, quoted by Falls Church News-Press.

Therefore, “discrimination against any class of persons without a rational basis is prohibited,” he added.

In the meantime, there have been individual acts of defiance across the state, including the City of Falls Church School Board, that voted to add language to its anti-discrimination policy to protect lesbians and gays at its most recent meeting on Tuesday night, the news provider further reported.
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  • Yandle

    Our schools are one of the most destructive forces in the USA. When are we going to wake-up?

    • David Long

      “Wake up” and do what?

      • George Halepis

        Wake up and eliminate “public” [socialized] education, that’s what! You have a problem with parents paying for the education of their own chidren? Private schools will be affordable if the market is freed of government regulation.

        • Yandle

          Coorect!

          • Yandle

            See what schools did to me.
            CORRECT

        • David Long

          George, Before the compulsory education laws in our country, do you know how many children went to school? Only the rich, and all white at that. Think about it, if we go back to live the way you want,you would be illiterate and poor (unless you are very rich). The public education system in this country has saved this country and turned it into a highly educated and prosperous nation. Is our system perfect? No, of course not. But what human institution isn’t corrupt and in need of reform? Let’s not raise ignorance to an art form and end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.We need responsible and active parents supporting our public school systems not tearing it down.The American Dream depends on it!

          • scott

            funny how only the schools where the majority is black,are the only ones with serious problems.funny how only the blacks and mexicans are the 95% dropping out because they think it,s cool,when they have 10 times the opprotunity for a free education because of they,re color.white man only gets to pay for them.funny how in schools where there were no blacks,after they start comeing in the crime rate and assaults with weapons like knifes and guns skyrocket.why does,nt anyone want to address this as the racial problem it is.

          • Claire

            Scott–this problem is because parents are too lazy to raise their kids like they should be raised. They let their kids grow up like wild animals with no guidance whatsoever. This is another problem that will not go away until parents own up to their resposibilities.

          • Claire

            “responsibilties.” And yes I can spell, just made a typo.

          • Claire

            David Long–I agree with you.

          • Marc

            Davis Long: Good point.
            Scott: Are you still in school ? If so….please study more. Proper spelling and sentence construction would help to make whatever it was you posted less confusing.

    • Patriot67

      I would rather Jesus Christ run the schools, then we would not have all the problems that we have………

      • Yandle

        Patriot67,
        You are right. We need Christ in us by His Spirit to wisely run the schools. “Christ in you, the hope of glory:” Col 1:27

      • Susan

        Think about this simple but truth.. OUR FOREFATHERS made it clear. FREEDOM OF not FROM RELIGION. meaning FAITH IN WHAT? FREE TO WORSHIP GOD < in THE CHRISTIAN faith this means WE ARE free To WORSHIP GOD and ASK in THE NAME OF not buddah , Not Mohammand, Not Barach, Not Confusious, Not any other name NO THE NAME above EVERY OTHER NAME. THE RISEN CRUCIFIED BURIED and RAISED AGAIN CHRIST JESUS… GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the LIv ing GOD the Father CREATOR that I believe is also Within our Constitution and BILL OF RIGHTS. IF we as CHRISTIANS have OUR RIGHT of OUR BELIEF FAITH DENIED BY THIS GOVERNMENT OF THIS REPUBLIC OF THESE UNITED STATERSF AMERICVA then what will happen to any other Religious believers out there that live and work and raise their children In the JEWIUSH belief, the Islam, belief or the Belief in Zen Hindu or any other faith of any AMERICAN including the ones that do not believe inanything but their own selves meaning anyone that has no faith in the LORD HEAVENLY FATHER OR THE SON NAMED CHRIST JESUS meaning they have to then DENY the HOKLY BOIBLE HOLY WORD that was has been and is OLDER then many living TODAY??? If We loose our Right as Christians then all will loose EVEN the State of ISRAEL NAMED by the way in the OLD testament. NOT BY ANY of us HUH??? Not EVEN the FOUNDING FATHERS OF THESE UNITED STATES.. THEY just Believed in the Book they brought here with them…. Yes also the Book was used in the First School rooms here in this land. was JOHN SMITH and POCAHANTUS just a STORY . OR were The INDIAN NATIONS PEOPLES HERE BEING TENT DWELLERS. and HUNTERS of the BEASTS of the Fields. Before the Europeans came how far back shall we go. THE SONS of NOAH Shem , Ham, and Japeth. Japeth and Ham are those that were Dispersed from Where all began. SHEM NEVER MOVED. Japeth went to the European way and Ham father of Canaan went to the African Ethiopian way. If you check Noah was before Abram and Sari.

        • Marc

          “UNITED STATERSF AMERICVA” ??? Where were you educated? Who was your teacher ?

    • American liberal

      You would rather Jesus Christ teach public schools?… Lol.. That’s a pretty typical rightwing responce…so you want your invisible friend to teach school?…and you belive this is possible?

      • Steve

        The public schools taught you how to spell real well. LOL.

      • Yandle

        American liberal,
        If we are taught by Christ through His Word than and only then can we teach the correct way in our schools. That is our only hope. You see what a disordered state we have without Christ. Without Christ is why we have the leftwing.

        • Kathy, Minnesota

          I agree, all the trouble started when we listened to a crazy woman demand that we take prayer out of schools. Now do you see what has happened. Our children (and of course) and we need Jesus in our lives. I agree with you Yandle and I am proud to stand up and say so. God Bless Us One and All. Respectfully submitted

          • Terry

            Actually the problem started in the 1890′s when a few writers (of history books for schools)determined that money was the most important thing to teach about in schools. They stopped teaching the true religious history and focused on economics. We are taught to vote for a president because of his economic policies and other things instead of his character.

        • David Long

          What about the non-Christian students?

          • Yandle

            It won’t hurt them to know right from wrong, something many do not know now.

        • eyeswideopen

          Yandle, let me be the first to tell you that Christ was not political. He came to preach love between and for all of God’s children, not just the future Christians. When you stand in front of God, I wish we could all hear your response, when he asks, why did you promote hate amoung the children of God? Using your theory, why did God allow the leftwing to come into existance? Maybe to reinforce his socialism that he had Jesus preach to all. Don’t remember anywhere in Bible, where God says to horde your riches and don’t help your brother in need. If you hypocrites practiced what you preach there wouldn’t be an orphanage in this country, and if the wealthy gave freely, think of the possibilities.

          • Yandle

            eyeswideopen,
            You have here just illustrated what our present day schools produce: ATTACK, the person if you do not agree with their view of the subject, as is your practice against me, but that is alright. Christ taught politics when He said ” Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s” (Mark 12:17). Yes, God has allowed the leftwing (those who oppose Him, as in removing prayer from school, etc.) to exist for now. I have asked you before when you stated “God and Jesus were socialists” to give chapter and verse but you have not done so. When I or anyone else stands against wrong, that is not hate, but if by you saying that is hate, be your only way of supporting wrong, so be it. Personality, I do not think teaching someone, “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.” (Luke 6:30, 35-36), is a bad thing as you seem to be implying. I cannot address everything you say in your comment about because all of it is way off subject.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            eyeswide open, Christians do give freely, if left alone to do it themselves. The Bible states that 10% of our earnings and the first fruits are Gods alone.__BUT, The Government seems to continue to intervine and want more percentage of everything than even God asks from us.

          • eyeswideopen

            Yandle, Beatitudes is nothing but social justice.

          • eyeswideopen

            yandle. Matt22;37-39….Matt 25:31-46, John 15:12, Luke 14:13-14 Matt19:21. Some of these should speak directly to how you speak of others. Does “Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself” mean anything at all to you? You quote the bible like a learned person, however your singling out and judging of others sins, makes you a hypocrite. If you didn’t try and incite others to rally in hate against others, you would be following the Christian beliefs. You however are singling out homosexuality as a worse sin than adulter’s, murders or the many other sins. I don’t see you calling out all those who have premarital sex, or live together, or view lustful things on movies or tv, but you have decided that homosexuality is worse and you have taken upon yourself to incite others. Tisk, tisk.

          • Marc

            YANDLE: read from John 6 on…. fishes and loaves…taking from one (the lad) and giving to the many.
            Perhaps better is Matthew 19:21: “….sell what you have and give to the poor.” attributed directly to Christ.

          • Marc

            YANDLE: Also, you seem to be worried that there are signs of the ‘end times’. Is that a bad thing ? After that, all deserving people will go to God, correct ?
            Isn’t that His plan ?
            Would you try to thwart His will ?

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Yandle, We were blind sided one year here at our local school, can’t even tell ya what year it happened, but a disgruntled student(Pushed ON by Liberal parents) were atheists, and did not want prayer at School Graduation___so much so, they called the ACLU in__ and ya know what, they won, in a little farm town, the friggin A-C-L-U won!___We’ve been on top of everything political, christian and otherwise ever since___if we don’t stay vigilant, we will be taken over___it’s that simple.

          • Yandle

            angel-wanna-be,
            Sadly, what you speck of is all over our country. I thank we are in the perilous times that Paul tells us would be in the last days. Paul said “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” and it looks that way to me now.
            May God bless your soul and body in these times

      • David

        Liberal means you choose to live off other people’s hard earned money! I’ll bet that you gladly accept paid day’s off that are the direct result of and about God? How about in the future you demand to work on those days? Oh my mistake, since you are prob. on the dole?

        • Joe H.

          Gee,David, you are obviously against religeon, so I take it that you work ALL religeous hollidays??? Christmas? Good Friday? Oh, I know YOU’RE probably on the dole!!!!

      • California70

        American Liberal,
        When we first started schools we used the Bible to teach from. You better learn the history of this Country. You act like we always taught “progressivism” (code word for communism).

        Wise-up American Liberal. By the way, “liberal” was also another code word for communism until the people caught-on to it. Then they changed their name to Progressive.

        Just a quick history lesson for you.

      • Joe H.

        Am lib,
        Better than your almost invisible teachers!!! they just put their time in and then can’t figure out why the kids are flunking out!!! Boo Hoo for them!!!!

      • NunJoBizness

        Response, RESPONSE, Jeffy.

        Learn to spell like a good little liberal and we might take your comments a bit more seriously. I see you are product of our wonderful govt schooling. LOL!

        I’m so sick of seeing that word spelled with a “c”!

        • Joe H.

          NunJo,
          who are you posting to????

      • Viktor Leben

        American liberal,

        Jesus isn’t invisible. Where did you get that idea from ?

  • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

    That’s because the Government, Unions and the kids run them!

    • Richard

      For thousands of years, the one people that God chose, out of all the primitive peoples in ancient times, “the apple of His eye” were the Jews. He used these people to reveal Himself and His ways, to the world. Yet they were slaves of the Egyptians for more years than we have been a nation, they were led around in the desert for 40 years (but He provided for them so they didn’t starve). Centuries later when they continually went off course again, He allowed them to be led into captivity in Babylon – for 80 years – and these were not barbarians or pagans but His Chosen! How much more do you think His judgement will be on us today when our sin and arrogance exceeds those ancients by a hundredfold? On the back cover of my book, “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES” is the title I had originally thought to call it: BEYOND REPAIR: THE DEATH OF THE DOLLAR.
      If God’s chastisement to his people is proportionate to their crimes (evil is the word but that hasn’t been popular since Reagan) then you can only imagine what is coming down the road for us who want to codify the killing of innocents and “Gay” Marriages! Obama’s old minister was wrong in calling upon God to damn the USA, but he was close to the mark in what is happening unless, as a country, we repent of our evil ways. God does not damn, but if He removes His guidance, inspiration, direction, help, and blessings then, those people will learn the hard lesson that His People had to learn in ancient times. This may not be the end of the world, but it will surely be the end of what we have known, not this year, not next, but as sure as the world turns, we will experience what it is like to experience divine chastisement. All are going to be effected eventually. We need to pray for Obama, whose heart may be hardened like the Pharaoh of old (or it may be softened or like the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz he and others like Pelosi and Reid, may be given a heart). We need to pray for our President and for our Congress that they will be changed and not destroy the country any faster than they are. Time is short. Even the Bible predicts that before the world is finally destroyed “it will be as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah” yet God rejects no one. We reject Him! We have no rights except what he gives us. The founding fathers knew that but we want to be our own little gods. We want the all encompassing state to be the granter of rights, and to be our god. God gave us gold and silver and copper for money but we wanted “easy money” and so we now have cotton and linen (or paper as most believe). The counterfeit is always alluring but it is an illusion. I do not know all of God’s plans but I know I won’t be visiting LACALIF this year because of the coming earthquake and I can only hope that a bigger earthquake will open the hearts of some of those who think that man is the measure of all things or we will continue to have problems that grow in magnitude until we admit that God is supreme and only He can straighten out the mess we are in. Fortunately He loves us and is waiting for us, individually and corporately, to turn to Him. If we continue to let godless organizations like the ACLU and others whose goal is to eradicate all knowledge of Him from the body politic then we will have the same future as did ancient Rome, glory while it lasted, but “dust in the wind” as far as world history goes. May God bless American. No one else is going to do so!

      • Kathy, Minnesota

        Amen to that Richard!! Well written, and it is true. Some hard to take like praying for Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, but non the less true. Thank you Richard.

        • marvin

          praying for far left liberal like obama and reid and pelosie is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline it won,t work they think it is ok to spend money as long as it don.t belong to them and the pelosie your unamerican if you don,t like illegals and obama,s we will get in your face if you don,t agree with us and the list goes on i say don,t waste your time praying for them that can not hear and know what is best for you just vote them out in nov2010//2012 action speaks louder the words vote/vote/ vote nuf said

          • California70

            Well, then just pray for them to “go on to their greater good” somewhere else. Just not here in the USA.

      • David

        Amen, watch after the quake how many change their way’s!!!

        • EltonJ

          A quake? *blinks*

          We have been getting many of them around the Ring of Fire.

          • Joe H.

            Elton,
            I think he’s talking about the quake in Nov. and in 2012!!!!!!

      • Sean

        Amen Richard.
        We need to stop trying to change things, whatever happens will be God’s will. If our king is Christ then this world is no concern to us.
        We shouldn’t vote, we shouldn’t be politticaly involved. Why does everyone think this country is blessed by God just because we say his name. This country was born in rebellion and God hates rebellion. The bible says that even when God opens up the 7 seals of revelation, the people still will not repent. JUDGEMENT IS COMING TO AMERICA
        Remember Christians this is not our kingdom. So who cares what happens here.

    • Susan

      and when were angels created. angel-wanna-be? what about the host of angels in His heaven?

  • American liberal

    Yandle, Angel… Who would you rather run our schools?…and what are they teaching in schools that you claim are distructive?…

    • Gwood

      Evidently not grammar or spelling.

      • Kris

        hahahahaha, very Good!

      • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

        A BIT PETTY

        • Susan

          three for GOD the Father and Seven For the Sinners. And they are so afraid the Children may know these ten. They just might read them. or hear these. Why was Madalyn O’Hare so afraid of. and what are those that want GOD removed from the Coins and Currancy and all that reminds of the Cross removed. I guess we could begin removing all reminders from the Buildings, by sandblasting from mounuments and buildings and cemetaries and books .. actually sandblasting would be messy but take less time then it has to chisle the word into stone. and How long will it take to remove all the crosses from the land? at Arlentan REMINDER of what PRICE FREEDOM.to worship, speak, and have a free press. I am tired already from all the working it will take and think of all the jobs it will cause .. HMMM I thought we are fighting to give more freedoms and try to end hatred for the people named….. Israel..

    • maggiemoo

      American Liberal, I would rather that local school boards be running them than the federal government or unions. As for public schools being destructive, the fact that they no longer teach children how to think for themselves but rather how to be “good citizens” is a good place to start. But, then again, if you like the policies of Adolph Hitler, you might not find this to be a problem.

      • American liberal

        Maggie… And who would fund the schools ?..I believe their has to be somekind of standard .. Can’t really have each state printing text books with diffrent versions of history…keep in mind that some states and countys don’t have the same wealth so I have no problem with the federal goverment making sure every county in the country has equal access to education..

        • George Halepis

          To quote Frederic Bastiat: “The state is that fiction by which everyone attempts to live at the expense of everyone else.” Apparently, liberals [socialists] don’t have a problem with that.

        • American Citizen

          States and even individual schools do choose the textbooks they will use. Parents should be attentive to what their children are being taught.

        • Kathy, Minnesota

          Our books, especially History books, have been incorrect since 1985. They do not teach American History, and when they do is in wrong. That is why our children do not appreciate what they have in America. I do not mean to imply all people, but it is a growing problem. So yes we do need Jesus, in our hearts, and schools.

        • JeffH

          American Liberal…Who funds the schools? C’mon now, are you really that stupid? I would have preferred that you ask: who funds the federal government? The taxpayers fund everything, or haven’t you figured that out yet.

        • Joe H.

          American liberal,
          The very same people that fund them now! the American taxpayer. the government pays for nothing, they have no income!!!As far as your comment about the text books, Each and every school system decides each time they deem necessary which books to buy and use. case in point, a system in texas is considering buying history books that only teach the last like 150 years of our history. very handily I might add as this would get rid of the founding fathers, the constitution and the bill of rights. that way when the politicians go against them the kids won’t protest as they won’t know about it!!!

      • michael

        The kids do think for themselves until conservative idiots put in dress codes and tell them what is good or bad. I even had one moronic teacher that made my son write I support president bush, my son refused and he got in trouble.

        • Reward

          For some reason, I think you’re not being honest about the
          President Bush comment.

          • michael

            I am being very honest, It was 2003 in Windsor Missouri the teacher’s name was Ms. Emery.

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            EEH YEAH_ ARE YA SURE HE’S NOT CONFUSING THAT ISSUE WITH OBAMA?

        • Kathy, Minnesota

          Good for that teacher!

        • Allan

          When children enter the real world they will encounter dress codes, among other surprises that the politically correct have saved for them. As far as teaching what is good and bad, it reveals a major difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals live by moral relativism, which allows justification of anything in exchange for no accountability. Conservatives at least know that if they don’t avoid bad influences, abusing their freedoms will destroy them. Today I heard a progressive radio host say that EITHER WAY Dennis Kucinich would have voted was admirable! Priceless! She said a “yes” vote was admirable because it would at least take a historic “baby step” and a “no” vote would show that he was a man of principle! Life is simple when you’re a liberal.

        • momof4

          Michael,
          Whats wrong with dress codes?

          • michael

            Dress codes take away a person’s right of self expression. In response to anither post that the real world has dress codes, most buisnesses and colleges have relaxed their dress codes over the years.

          • Joe H.

            there are still a great many restaurants that require coat and tie!!! There are even nightclubs that require it!!!

          • Claire

            momof4–There is nothing wrong with dress codes/school uniforms. In fact, when my kids became teenagers, I was thankful for their school uniforms. It sure helped with the peer pressure. Everyone had to dress alike, and there was no griping about keeping up with the other kids and how they dressed. At least I did not have to worry about my daughter going to school half naked. And I didn’t have to worry about my son wearing pants with the crotches down to the knees. But then again kids did not dress like that back then so it was easier for me. Now I see kids at the bus stops, the girls half naked and the boys that try to run with their baggy pants and walking with a “swagger”. I have to laugh. But then I quickly think–poor kids–look what they have to look forward to in the future.

      • Susan

        good thought ya think? How about Lenin and Mussileni?? I do not spell well either. all the ite’s and ism’s

    • http://naver Brady

      American looney liberal, you dare to ask what are our schools doing that is so destructive? OK, I’ll take up the gauntlet on that challenge. 1. Why don’t our schools teach our children the true principles and beliefs of our christian founding fathers? I’m tired of always hearing kids say that being an American means you can do anything you want to do. I’m quick to tell them that they aren’t entitled to something that they haven’t earned. If they would be taught the truth of our founding documents, constitution, Thomas Paine, and our founding fathers, then I think their eyes would be opened and would better understand this country.

      2. We have almost, not completely, kick God out of our schools. Why?
      People cry out about separation of church and state, but they should remember that our founding fathers never intended to separate God from public life. “Morals, ethics, and religion shall be taught in American schools from now on evermore.” Northwest Ordinance of 1789.
      Signed by George Washington. I remember before a high school football game, our coach always said a prayer. If someone didn’t want to pray, that was fine. They had no right to force others not to pray.

      Also Doc Sarvis, what are these things you have for the “gay” population? Their way of living is wrong in the eyes of God, the Bible, and by what is morally and ethically right. They are not a real minority, since they are not based on any religious belief, race, or place that they come from originally.

      Sorry for not saying more. If you have a comment, please make it in good taste.

      • American liberal

        Brady… I just ask a very simple and civil question.. It’s how a person communicates…since I’m not a mind reader it’s the only way I have to know what you’re thinking…when you use the term Looney it kind of kills real communication..your responce made my point…

      • michael

        Having worked in various schol districts I can tell you students can pray anytime they want and usually do before tests it is just not forced upon them like in the old days.

        • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

          WE WEREN’T FORCED TO PRAY,I WAS RASIED OLD SCHOOL__ BUT YOU WERE EXPECTED TO HAVE SOME REXPECT AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT TIL THE MEDITATION WAS OVER, SAME GOES FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLIGIENCE!

        • Joe H.

          Michael,
          i went to school in the 50s and 60s and I don’t ever remember one student being forced to pray. I do remember them being told to sit quietly while we prayed and while we said the Pledge, and I think it would have been ok if they had been forced to say the pledge. if they are going to take all the freedoms and benefits that this country has then they should be loyal to it!!! God Bless America!! Those of you that don’t like that blessing can kiss the dark side!!!!

      • Leslie

        THANK YOU, Brady! Well said. People need to remember also, that the phrase is “life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness” not that you are garranteed not to get your feelings hurt by what others say or do. If you don’t want to pray … don’t; but requiring that everyone else stop praying is rediculous! Per the Bible (which is God’s holy and true word)homosexuality is a sin not a race or religion. I have every right to fight to keep it out of schools so my child won’t be exposed to it (just as I would murder, stealing, gossip, etc.). Having said that, everyone deserves to be able to believe the way that want and to be safe in a school (where they are required to go) environment. Hate the sin (not the sinner), love thy neighbor!

      • Doc Sarvis

        Brady,

        I am not sure what you are referring to as “things” I have for the gay population. I also am not aware of my calling the homosexual population a “minority” although they do fit one definition of that term; being the smaller of a set of two groups.

        I do differ from you, as I’ve said in several other posts, in your belief that God sees homosexuality as morally and ethically wrong. My God, my belief, and my acquaintences confirm to me that there is nothing wrong with people who are homosexual.

        • California70

          God didn’t seem to have a problem with homosexuals either, as long as they didn’t have sex with each other, and stayed celibate. It was in the “practicing” of the homosexual act that God had issues.

          So why are we all so accepting of the homosexual acts?

          They are supposed to refrain from these acts.

          Guess we are all just a dumb lot!

          • Marc

            But isn’t that between God and them ? Refer to John 8:7 before throwing…..

        • momof4

          Doc,
          Have you created your own god. Because that’s not the God of the Bible. Scripture clearly condems homosexuality,God calls it an abomination (Leviticus 18:22)

          • Doc Sarvis

            Where does it say the word “homosexual”. It condems a lot of other things that are regular parts of our life today as well.

          • Yandle

            Doc Sarvis,
            “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,* nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor.6:9-10 NKJV)

            Sodomites practice sodomy. Sodomites are homosexuals. It is not so much the name, it is the practice of sodomy. The word gay never had anything to do with a Sodomite, but Sodomites like to misapply the word gay to themselves.

          • eyeswideopen

            Doc, Yandle is quoting a new King James version of the Bible. Funny how they want to take every sentence verbatim, but don’t acknowledge that it was written in Hebrew and Greek, with some words not able to be interpreted into english as we had no word to describe the one being transcribed. Once again the version he is using has been modernized and this is what the Old King James version from 1957 states: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” Even though some are trying to change what was written…(.do you think that was the first attempt to change the bible? Lol) Please notice that God put fornicators, idolaters, adulters prior to the word effeminate. Order of importance? maybe. But the Bible also tells us not to single out a specific sin as being more sinful than the next. Where are these righteous people concerning their senators who have committed adultery? How about those friends who are drunkards? Why aren’t they going after the fornicators, you know all those living in sin, or just having premarital sex? Romans 2:1″ Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgement on another you condemn yourself, because you that judge are doing the very same sort of sinful things. Ask Yandle when was the last time he went after the teenagers having sex, or the senators committing adultery.

          • Yandle

            eyeswideopen,
            Words are used to communicate, therefore if a person does not know the original language you use words in the language that person knows to express the thought.
            In A. D. 59 Paul used the Greek word “arsenokoites”, defined as: “one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite” (Thayer’s Greek Lexicon). A homosexual is a Sodomite: check your dictionary if you are in doubt.

            eyes, If the subject is Sodomy, I will comment on Sodomy; if the subject is plowing, I will comment about plowing. If the subject at hand is Sodomy, it is not your call to tell me that I should be talking about plowing. Speaking about subject, you (as usual) have got off the subject here.

            eyes, Just for you: 1 Cor 6:9
            ‎h ouk oidate oti adikoi basileian qeou ou klhronomhsousin mh planasqe oute pornoi oute eidwlolatrai oute moixoi oute malakoi oute arsenokoitai
            (This post does not use the Greek alphabet)

          • Joe H.

            eyestranslatedshut,
            Care to comment on that last quote by Yandle????

          • Joe H.

            GUESS NOT!!!!

          • Joe H.

            Yandle,
            you are going to find it very hard to remove your foot from her posterior when you plant it that deep!!! Good kick!!!!

          • Marc

            Does Yandle cut and paste a lot or is he/she more than one person ? There seems to be a bit of varied education level in some of the posts.

      • Kathy, Minnesota

        Hello Brady:

        You are correct, and I appreciate your comments. Amen again

      • Cella

        Thomas Jefferson”s vision::His support of individual rights, religious freedom, and freedom of speech. All men are created equal and all men are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The problem with people like you, do not respect other people. You believe your god is the only god. Might be, but everyone has their own opinion. And righteous people like you, who do not follow the teaching of our founding fathers stand up there and spout off your opinion. Hard core later says “No ONE ASKED ANY MUSLIMS TO COME HERE. THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN VALUES. I GUESS YOU PEOPLE NEVER READ ANYTHING THOMAS JEFFERSON WROTE. Get it, freedom of religion. He also introduced a bill that separated church and state, as well as a bill that gave every man the right to a free education. So no you people who hide behind the conservative Christian thinking, nothing but a bunch of hypocrites who are going to hell. ( The American Taliban) I could live next door to a muslim and it would not bother me at all. It is the largest religion of the world. So do you hate all these people.

        • marvin

          like all opinions i say jefferson was a good man budda was a good man mohammed was a good man but being a good man is not all their is to being christ like and religion is as paul said a supperstition ,religion and christianty are not the same thing ,with your religion and a dollar you may get a cup of coffee no man save one has or will defeat the grave and if you don,t belive in that one man called christ you won,t eather but this is what the famly of christ belives i won,t get 70 virgens for killing the imfidal and there were two citys that are no more because of homosexals you tell a lie enuff times you will start to belive it

        • Marc

          The Indians were here first…… where they Christians? Does this mean the country was founded on the principles of forcing other people out?

      • marvin

        i have a question for the know it all about the separation of church and state is it in the constitution of the united states or was it a letter that thomas jefferson wrote to the babtist if you said in the constitution you are wrong the word seperation is not in the constitution [any were] there is no seperation of church and state it simply states the goverment can not set a religon of one faith or another but it does not say there is a separation of church and state

      • Allan

        I defend American Liberal here. It takes guts to dialogue with the opposition. He was civil, even if we conservatives can’t believe the question he asks. He deserves a respectful answer!

      • momof4

        Brady,
        Very well said.

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      LOOK BUD, MY HALF SISTER WAS TEACHER FOR 38 YEARS__SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT TO TEACH, SHE HAD TO TEACH THE CURRICULUM_SHE COULD ONLY VARY THE WAY SHE TAUGHT IT__THESE SCHOOLS ARE NOT TEACHING REAL AMERICAN HISTORY, THEIR TRYING TO CHANGE THE STANCE AND RID THE FACT OF OUR AMERICAN HISTORY WAS AND BASED ON THE FRAMERS, A GOD FEARING MENS BELIEFS IN GOD__TODAY THEY WANT TO TEACH AN ATHEISITIC VIEW, AND TO TRY TO KEEP RELIGION OUT OF IT__“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” JOHN ADAMS
      _A MORAL AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE__REGARDLESS IF IT’S IN SCHOOL OR NOT!
      FACTS ARE FACTS AND CAN’T BE CHANGED TO SUIT NEEDS.

      • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

        GAY ANYTHING DOESN’T BELONG IN SCHOOLS__WE OWE OUR KIDS THE RIGHT TO TEACH THEM THE RIGHT WAY WHOLE THEY GROW__WHEN THEY’RE ADULTS, WITH AT LEAST SOME KNOWLEDGE, THEN THEY CAN MAKE AN HONEST CHOICE OF GAY OR NOT!__STOP THE INDOCTRINATION!

        • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

          PARDON MY SPELLIN?

        • michael

          Angel who gave you the authority to determine right from wrong? Don’t say the bible because people get different interprtations out of that.
          You conservatives are all the same trying to tell everyone else how to live.

          • elda

            How is teaching nothing forcing our agenda. NOT TEACHING GAY ISSUES IN SCHOOL is not forcing our agenda, it is leaving that issue to our children to when they are adults. The left needs to stop forcing their agenda on our children and get our schools back to teaching truth. Stop changing histroy and leave the job of teaching sex ed to the parents!

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            Sorry Bud, But from I stand, the right way is children having BOTH a MOM AND A DAD, NOT A MOM AND A MOM THAT WEARS A STRAP ON AND CLAIM SHES THE DAD!

        • Marc

          ‘Shouting’ in ALL CAPS really does help get your point across…..or not.

      • American liberal

        Angel…fair enough… Who’s religion do you want taught in schools ?.. Which one?..my opinion is No religion… Religion should be taught at home…. Suppose the teacher was a Muslim or buddist?… What if the teacher has no religion or has no opinion of religion…you aren’t going to tell me that someone with a diffrent religion than yours shouldn’t have the right to reach are you?…religion is a matter of ” faith”.. You can’t teach it as fact..so it shouldn’t be taught in a public school at all ….I’ve got no problem with religious schools .. Just keep all religions out of public schools

        • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

          this isn’t all the teachers,it’s the curriculum, and those that choose what curriculum goes into the books, if ya have more Liberals on the panels it goes liberal and vice versa with the Conservatives__ ya need a friggin blend. Teachers can add their opinions, but they’re suppose to be teaching American History, not how they think it should be__If teaching was about opinions, they’re like a**holes, we all got one!”__then our kids wouldn’t need school, they can get that sh*t off the streets!

        • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

          It’s not about religion being a matter of faith, it’s the fact, that the looney crew they have choosing curriculum to go is these text books, are trying to omit, American History as it was__if you libs think by deleting the infomation, is going to change it–your sadly mistaken —there is enough of us old farts still around, that know–we were founded on the framers as a God fearing nation—-soooo we teach and preach it!

          • American liberal

            Angel, you still haven’t told me who’s religion you want taught in public schools and who’s religion you’d like excluded from public schools…can’t teach and practice them all….also.. You didn’t say if you believed a teacher that practice or believe on religion should be allowed to teach…. How about a person that doesn’t believe on god at all… Should they be allowed to teach public schools?

          • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

            DID MUSLIMS FOUND AMERICA?___HOW ABOUT BUDDISTS?__WHY WOULD THEY BE INCLUDED IN THE TEACHING OF THE FOUNDING OF AMERICA? AND THATS WHAT I’M TAKING ABOUT—MUSLIM, BUDDISTS AND WHATEVER OTHER RELIGION, CAN BE A SOURCE OF DISCUSSION, IN SCHOOL, OF HOW THEY BELIEVE THEIR RELIGION TO BUT-THEN YOU’VE GOT TO INCLUDE ELLIS ISLAND AND OUR ANCESTORS, BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE ALL THESE RELIGIONS WE HAVE TODAY, GOT THERE START, _BUT AT THE BEGINNING, THE FOUNDING OF AMERICA, THEY WERE CHRISTIAN MEN, PERIOD, NOBODY CAN HELP THAT YOU YOUNG SNIPS DON’T LIKE IT.—YOU CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE IN AMERICA TODAY SADLY, IF YOU TO WORSHIP A DOG THATS YOUR CHOICE, BUT DON’T COME AROUND WITH THE NOTION, THAT CHRISTIANS SUCH AS MYSELF, HAVE TO BOW BEFORE OTHER RELIGIONS, OURS IS NO LESS IMPORTANT THAN YOURS.

        • Joe H.

          Am Lib,
          you say religeon should be taught at home? Well I say sex ed should be taught at home. there were a lot less teen pregnacies when it was and God was respected!!!! Where do you and the liberal party get off telling me it’s ok for them to give my daughter condoms like they are in some schools??? Who are you people telling me that I have to be responsible for my kids till they’re 18 but I don’t get the say so in matters in their life?? You guys are full of crap!!!!

        • Marc

          Or should it be Catholic religion? Methodist? Baptist? Mormon? Evangelical? Fundamentalist Christianity? Pietism? Pentecostalism? Which “Christianity” is right?

      • Kathy, Minnesota

        Yes Angel, I agree, good job!

        • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

          Thank you Kathy, I was beginning to believe I wasn’t being clear!

          • momof4

            angel,
            I agree too.

        • American liberal

          Angel… You missed your history class…. The founding fathers were for freedom of religion… In England it was required to belong to the Church of England…you could be jailed for practicing other religions… So I don’t know where your arguement comes from that the founding fathers weren’t Muslim or buddist… Of course they wernt…did you know many churches like we have here in America didn’t even exist 300 yearsago …also,when the constitution was written many of the signers owned slaves and didn’t concider black people 100% human…so your argument that we follow the founding fathers example in the year 2010 doesnt hold water…now tell which religion you want taught in schools and which religions you want excluded?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Yeah A.Liberal I’m not getting you either???,I think your just looking for a argument and I’m it___ya wanna play?__let’s go__ what the hell does what religion “I” want taught in school have to do with any of this?__what I said was, teach the REAL HISTORY of American founding and stop trying to change the facts to suit today “NEW AGE GENERATION”__If you think America and her Constitution sucks so bad, you go and change it Or leave__YOUR SERVE!?!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            A.Liberal__you say, you could be jailed for practicing other religions at at one time__YEAH AND i’M PARTLY NATIVE AMERICAN AND PARTLY IRISH_ AND UP UNTIL, I THINK 1953 (DON’T QUOTE ME) THERE WAS A BOUNTY ON MY HEAD BECAUSE OF THAT FACT, OF $250.00_UNTIL THEY FINALLY TOOK IT OFF THE BOOKS___SO WHAT’S YOUR POINT?___EVOLUTION OF HISTORY, IS THE ONLY EVOLUTION, I BELIEVE IN___BLACKS ARE NO LONGER SLAVES, BECAUSE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, HE WAS GOD FEARING WHITE MAN WHO OPENLY PRAYED___WOMEN ARE NO LONGER SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, BECAUSE THEY FOUGHT FOR IT AND GOD WAS WITH THEM__A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN 234 YEARS__SOME FOR THE GOOD, OTHERS FOR NOT__I THINK THE CONSTITUTION CAN BE A LIVING DOCUMENT FULL OF GOOD FOR ALL TIME, AS LONG AS WE MOVE AHEAD FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PEOPLE_ AND I’M SORRY AL,BIT THE GREATER GOOD FOR ME, IS THAT I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IT’S OK TO SLEEP WITH (HAVE SEX), MARRY AND HAVE THE SAME PRIVILEDGES AS A MARRIED MAN AND WOMAN!___ HOMOSEXUALITY IS SELF SERVING ONLY, GOD, WANTS US TO BEAR GOOD FRUIT__ENUFF SAID!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            Good post and I agree with most of it, I take exception with the constitution being a living document as that is our problem now! The politicians that say that are the ones that have not been satisfied with living under this great document and have tried to change its basis and basic guarantees!!!

      • Susan

        and the Romans gave us a different calender. Gee I never have looked up how Nero Fiddled while Rome burned. I think pontius pilot washed his hands of the Shed Blood. He was ruler of Rome at the time. anyone know what lie was told that is yet believed by many to this day?

        • Susan

          Oh I’m so sorry to mention something that is now not allowed. I never have said nor ever believed I was perfect anyway.

      • eyeswideopen

        angel, you want facts, then read how the colonists threatened to put people to death for not obeying some Christian/church rules. Also, note they took a specific amount of money from each to support the church, it didn’t matter if you wanted to contribute or not, it was taken. Enjoy our history and let the knowledge of why they had to not have a national religion. http://www.sunnetwork.net/~ggarman/princip.html
        If they would have had one, we may all have been Catholics today. Think that over.

        • eyeswideopen

          Angel, http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/princip.html
          sorry, I left s off of works.

          • Joe H.

            eyeshidingshut,
            Answer Yandle above or are you a hit and run????

          • Claire

            JoeH– Sometimes “hit and run” is fun. Just teasing. We are all in this mess together, whether we agree with each other or not. It is a sorry state of affairs.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            Be that as it may, gofyeyes has a habbit of demanding answers from people then when they ask her a question she runs!! Just a little tired of it!!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H- If I post a message, and someone replies I always try to answer back whether they agree with me or not. Besides, I do value opinions of others.

    • Carol

      American liberal…..you make the conservative point for us. Obviously you don’t keep up with what is going on!!
      The latest is trying to re-write history by taking out of our history books things that did happen and only teach what they want taught!!
      See what is going on in Texas for an update.
      Education should be about teaching facts…not ideas that some would like to project. Discussions should be open and honest…you definitely don’t see that in our schools. Across the board they push a liberal agenda.
      Our education system is broken and produces some of the most poorly educated people. Home schooling was one response to this huge problem. Home schoolers score on average 25% higher on SAT’s and PSAT’s. That is a fact.

      • American liberal

        Give me an example of the facts you claim liberals are taking out of text books…?…also.. You aren’t trying to tell me anybodys religion is a fact are you…religion to you may be a fact but since their are so many diffrent religions they all can’t be a fact.. So can you tell me which religion is fact and which isn’t?..here’s another point about the seperation of state and religion I don’t believe you conservatives understand…a very good reason to keep schools and goverment religion free is that ” you could find yourself or your children being forced ( taught) a religion you don’t believe…. Here’s what im Infering… A majority voted for Obama… Because were on the majority o still don’t believe it’s right or even constitutional for me to force your kids to learn my religion or non religion… That’s what I believe our constitution was written to protect… Your right to practice the religion you choose… Get it?… That’s why’s it’s so important to keep education , Goverment religion free…I don’t want you forced to practice my religion or non religion just because the person I voted for won the election….that’s why religious freedom is a must.. And for it to remain free it must be kept out of goverment and schools…

        • Kathy, Minnesota

          American Liberal:
          The USA was founded by Christians. Christians fight for freedom. Our Constitution meant that we should not force religion on anyone, that they have a free choice, and a right to choose which way to live. Do not mix up the words “religion” and “Christianity”, they are not the same. Our founding fathers gave up their very lives for the pursuit of freedom and obeyed God, read the Bible, prayed before each meeting, and ACTUALLY THANKED GOD FOR ALL HE HAS DONE. America will be fine again when we repent and start praying and trusting Him again. Your choice.

          • Cella

            The religious affiliation and beliefs of some of the 1787 had no affiliation.Some were Christians, some were anti clerical. Vocal about their opposition to organized religion.(Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin)Patrick Henry had strong traditional religion Some were similar to deists. Just like today, all had different beliefs. No, not all were Christian. Thats a fact, Jack.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            KATHY, WELL SAID!

        • eyeswideopen

          American, they are replacing Jefferson with, William Blackston, John Calvin, and St.Thomas Aquinas, as they don’t feel he had that much input in our judicial legislating.

        • Marc

          You make good, articulate points….thank you.

      • michael

        If your for Teaching facts, which I do believe is what is being taught in school’s, Then that proves my point of not to teach the Bible in school nothing in the Bible is factually provable. Now before you get yourself in an uproar I personally have FAITH in the Bible, but FAITH is not the same as facts.

        • American Citizen

          I haven’t seen where anyone has said the Bible should be taught in the schools. What they’re saying is that history should be taught on the facts of how and why things happened. There is enough evidence to those facts, but the textbooks are more and more getting away from them.

        • Kathy, Minnesota

          Michael:

          There are facts, examples…….The Dead Sea Scrolls, Noah’s Ark, scientists have proven that the waters did part so that the Isralites could escape from Pharoah, and they have found artifacts, like chariots, wheels, helmets, weapons and much more.

          Please note that the Dead Sea Scrolls were written 3,000 Years before Jesus Christ’s Birth and told of his coming. That is a fact.

        • Yandle

          michael.
          Evolution IS NOT FACT nor can you prove that it is. Everything in God’s Word IS FACT and you cannot prove that it is not fact.

          • Joe H.

            Yandle,
            Exactly!!! Ask them to prove we came from the apes. Tell them to show the link between them and us!!! They can’t do it cause it doesn’t exhist!! I do, however, sometimes think that some of our government officials ARE monkeys slapping their hineys and flinging poo!!!

          • Yandle

            Joe H.,
            You are correct again.

          • Marc

            That’s the ‘Theory of Evolution’…does not state it is a ‘fact’, it’s a working theory. Can you disprove the theory ? Can you prove the ‘facts’ of the Bible ? You can take it on Faith…I don’t have problem with that.

    • marvin

      you know sometimes it is best to not speak and let people think you are stuped then open your mouth and let everyone know for sure,for you to make fun of god and the people that belive in him is your right it is also your choice to sleep with a man if you are a man and a woman if you are a woman but that still don,t make it right when two men or two woman can make a baby without out side help then you can talk

    • Joe H.

      Am Lib,
      how about indoctrinating them??? how about them teaching sex ed in grade school:??? how about the story “i have two mommies!!! how about that their parents don’t have the right to punish them if they do wrong??? how about that they can go out and get an abortion without parent approval?? how about the fact that many of the schools are handing out condoms??? why not just tell them “go out and have sex if it goes wrong we’ll see you get an abortion and your parents won’t even know”!!! Take a flying leap at a rolling donut, jerk!!!

      • Yandle

        Joe H.,
        Very true points.

      • Marc

        “abortion without parent approval” What if it was her ‘parent’ that got her pregnant? Yes, it does happen.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I think we need public schools. We also need to improve them. I also think that one of the biggest improvements to be made is a better partnership between parents and teachers.

    That said and more on the topic of the article; there should be rules in place to prohibit or deter discrimination of any sort in our schools and elsewhere. And that would include the discrimination of people because of their sexual preference.

    • DaveH

      Yeah, let’s pass laws against everything we don’t like. That will cure the problem. NOT!

      • Doc Sarvis

        So do you want open season on any child (gay or not) who does not fit a strict gender model (determined by who). That is not likely to contribute to a good learning environment.

        • DaveH

          What? Did you not understand I was being sarcastic?

          • Doc Sarvis

            I got the sarcaism, and stated the likely result of the scenario you seem to favor.

          • DaveH

            Oh sure Doc, it must have been hell for all those ‘different’ children back when this country was free. Please don’t confuse conjecture with fact.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I agree, segregation is a horrible fact of our history.

    • Kathy, Minnesota

      Doc:
      I agree with some of your statements, but it is too broad of a statement to say that we should not “discriminate” against anyone for their sexual preferences. The Bible says we should use discernment in our choices of friends, how we live, what we watch, what we read, how we treat people, and actually in all we do. That does not mean we are to be disrespectful to anyone but to “love them and pray for them”, not to enter into their “web” or do the things that they are doing. I think people get mixed up on that.

      • eyeswideopen

        Kathy, are you disrespectful to the adulterers you know? How about those who get a DUI (drunkards), how about those that live in sin or have premartial sex? How do you treat all of those people? Do you minimize their sins?

        • Claire

          Speaking of drunkards–another politician from Illinois was picked up for a DUI and guess what?? He walked away from it. Literally. Why am I NOT surprised???!!!

    • Marc

      Very good, Doc.

  • bbstacker

    School is not supposed to be a social club. Schools are supposed to be for learning the basics of math, science, geography, English(!), American history and the ability to think and reason. Instead, public schools are social playground of liberal ideas and mandates imposed by liberal policies that spread from California to the East. Textbooks are altered to limit our Heritage from being taught, and the heroes of America are facing obliteration and a new genre of false idols is replacing those who made this nation great. Home Schooling is the greatest threat to liberal indoctrination, but many cannot afford–or think they cannot–to have one parent at home for their children. Self-reliance is despise by liberals, but it is our salvation as a nation.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Patti Wright

      You are exactly right. The text book issue is so vital at this time. I read that some educators in Texas wanted to remove Thomas Edison from history books……..outrageous. Fortunately, the Texas State Board of Education has come to the rescue of Edison and many other notable Americans.

      • Marc

        Can you tell me who wanted Edison out of the textbooks……..and why ?

    • DaveH

      We need to get the Government out of education.
      At the very least, let’s insist on the voucher system so we can send our children to the schools we approve.

      • Carol

        Amazing that a president who was about helping people and concerned about their education put an end to the voucher system right there in DC within weeks of his taking office.
        That was the first big flare sent up that Obama was a total con!

        • DaveH

          Obama doesn’t want educated citizens. He wants dependent citizens.

        • eyeswideopen

          Carol. why should my taxes pay for a voucher, so that a select few children can get a better education than others?

          • Joe H.

            eyesliberalizedshut,
            Why should my taxes go to pay for an education for someone that will throw it away and quite possibly keep others from excelling??? Kids that deal drugs right in school because the adults that supply them know that they will only go to juvie for six months and be right back at it??? I say if they won’t get an education make them go to a trade school, if they won’t do that then put them out picking up trash along the roads!!! After that they might change their mind. Especially if they do it in the rain a few times!!!

          • DaveH

            That’s great, EyesWideShut has summed up the Liberal philosophy – If they can’t have it then nobody should. Rather than aspire to greatness they seek the lowest common denominator.
            The cost of private schools is not only lower than that of public schools, but as Eyes admitted, the educations are better. If our tax dollars are going to be spent on education, why not spend less on better? Unless, of course, you are a Liberal driven by Jealousy.
            http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=1118

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, you are losing your mind. How do you profess to use a voucher system, when you want to stop government inferference? Who do you think would handle such a system? Sounds like some sort of government agency to me. You try to walk both sides of the street and lose all credibility. What will it be? Government involved in education or not?Vouchers are an elitist concept, of course you would like them. You are a pro-elitist corporation loving atheist who has no emotional stake in the anger and hatred that you provoke.

    • Kathy, Minnesota

      Right on bbstacker, I agree totally. Well said

  • Mary

    Children has no respect for others including the country. Teachers and parents are afraid of the children due govenment rules. By experience I can tell you the students in this country are below 3rd world country schools in all the levels. I believe most of the money is going to the unions.

    • Kathy, Minnesota

      True statements, but very sad. Thank you Mary

  • http://Frontier Julie Magaha

    I agree with Angel that the public schools can be
    destructive.I took my kids out to homeschool.I think
    homeschooling will be more popular than ever.
    If, the public schools were like the old days,where
    you went to learn, instead of being indoctrinated these days,by the
    liberal educational system,I would support public education.We have
    a serious problem, when the school adminstrations take prayer and
    the bible out, and put witchcraft with Harry Potter books in, and
    wonder why all the shootings and murders? We say evil is good and
    good is evil? We’re in trouble, folks, when we leave good out, and
    evil in.

    • DaveH

      Julie,
      I don’t think being Gay is Evil. But I do agree with you that it isn’t the business of the public schools to indoctrinate your children to alternative lifestyles. Liberalism is no less a religion than is Christianity. And if Christians can’t spread their gospel in public schools, why can the Liberals?
      It is about time that you Christians get together and stop the trampling of your rights by the Liberals.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I’m an Independent but I know just as many liberals who are Christian as conservatives who are Christian.

        • DaveH

          Doc,
          There are Liberals in both major Parties. They are the ones who think Big Government is the solution.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I was not talking about parties. If you read carefully, you will see that I was making a statement about liberals and conservatives.

          • DaveH

            Sure Doc, you mean carefully like you read my comments?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Yes DaveH, Exactly.

          • DaveH

            Doc,
            You are a legend in your own mind.

        • Allan

          Outside your circle of friends, a higher percentage of conservatives is religious than among liberals…unless we count environmentalism as a religion.

          • Doc Sarvis

            And just where do you get that information?

          • DaveH

            Sure Doc,
            Wise Words from the King of Unsupported Statements.

          • eyeswideopen

            Allan, what do you consider the 62million Catholics?

      • eyeswideopen

        DaveH, Good play, trying to get them riled up!! What about your Liberterian platform of accepting everybody? Throwing that into the trash can? Hypocritical don’t you think? Did the John Birchers make you all change your platform? I do see that Ron Paul has come out in support of the Birchers, very sad. Looks like your party wants to be associated with radicals. Probably why he couldn’t win the nomination to be Pres. It is apparent that Libertarians are really AUTHORITARIANS. http://archive.redstate.com/stories/archived/ron_paul_finally_endorses/
        http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/08/06/authoritarian-or-libertarian-ron-paul-on-churchstate-separation-secularism.htm

        If you want to get government out of education, don’t promote the voucher system, as that is discriminating against those who don’t get the vouchers. Where do you think the money for vouchers would come from if government wasn’t involved?

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      Julie, I always said, when they took God & Prayer out of the schools they moved in metal detectors and the police!__Home schooling is popular, because parents are tired of hearing the Liberal Rhetoric they’re kids are being taught__My half sister, and I had many arguments about this, at one we didn’t talk over it___the teachers went out on strike, they were griping about more money and the teachers union were encouraging the teachers to hold out, until they got what they wanted__top pay was already $79,000 a year which include my half sisters salary!!!___she was on one side, and the old man and I were on the other with a picket sign__At one time I’d say unions were needed__but they’re way more powerful, than what’s needed today__

    • michael

      Harry Potter is witchcraft. Now I know your a nut. Harry Potter teaches the values of Froiendship and diversity, Oh that’s right conservatives don’t wantdiversity they want everyone to be the same.

      • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

        not so fast__ I like Harry Potter, but its fantasy.

      • Number 4

        You do the same categorization but putting all conservatives in one group. We are all not the same. We don’t agree on all topics. We do agree that God needs to be put back in our lives. This country’s decline started with the omission of God. Every un-Godly nation will perish.

        • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

          THAT’S RIGHT CONSERVATIVES GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE SAME OPINION AND HOPE FOR THE BEST!!

        • michael

          If I remember history right the slave owners had god in their lives. The truth of the matter is every generation blames their society ills on God not being in our lives.

        • eyeswideopen

          Number, just when did the ommission of God take place? What are you specifically referring to? I know a lot of Christians who haven’t lost their faith. If you think that kids not praying in school, prevented them from being Christians, then you need to look at their parents whose job it is to educate their children in the faith. Your theory is not logical.

        • Yandle

          Number 4,
          You are so right.

      • Allan

        Teaching diversity is one of the dumbest and most counterproductive things the liberal education establishment has ever come up with. By definition, it makes people focus on their differences rather than accomplishment! A colossal waste of resources that could be spent on training to learn a subject better or do something useful. The best way for people to find out who you are is to show them what you can do.

      • eyeswideopen

        Michael, yup, they are RIGHT WING AUTHORITARIANS. AKA: RWA’s.
        Even though our founding fathers struggled to make sure diversity was protected, they only want one religion, one political party. Totally one voice.

        • Joe H.

          here ladies and gentlemen is a perfect example of what Raindancer called HUPO. carefull now!! We hope it isn’t contageous but avoid at all costs!!! your tour of the ignorant liberal progressive mind is now complete!!! Please watch the excrement on the floor as you exit!!!1

    • American liberal

      Can you name the schools district that you claim is teaching “Harry Potter” as fact?…I’d be just as aginst that as I would teaching in public schools about ” Talking snakes, Magic apples, Mary having a baby without sex, walking on water, talking burning bushes ,ect, ect…I’m sure if it’s true you’ll have no reason not to provide the district , state…? Harry Potter is nothing more than entertainment… Like anyother cartoon …and I find it hard to believe any school is teaching Harry Potter as fact…

      • Joe H.

        Am Lib,
        Suggest you read a little better. She didn’t say they were teaching it as fact, she said put harry potter books in. Our one district here does have harry Potter on a required reading list in AP English!!!

        • libertytrain

          Joe H – probably because they were so engaging and fired-up the imagination – got grown-ups and kids to read them. Reading is probably the key, the kids enjoy reading when they are reading Harry Potter. I swore I wouldn’t read them cause of all the hype, then visiting my soldier daughter in Germany some years ago, she was saying how much the Colonel, his wife, their girls, and she, enjoyed the discussions they had on Harry Potter books and how much everyone enjoyed reading them at all levels. I was curious then and read them and enjoyed them. And have recommended them to people – they are not evil books, just imaginative books that make people actually want to read once they start reading them -

          • Joe H.

            Libertytrain,
            I’m not disagreeing with you, my kids loved them too and I took my girl to all three of the movies for her birthday. they are the only movies I’ve gone to as I refuse to benefit hollywood. If I want to see a movie I wait till it is in at our library. That way I don’t pay anything to them!!!

    • Kathy, Minnesota

      Julie:

      Amen

    • momof4

      Julie,
      Not to mention earth worshiping. They are worshiping the creation instead of the creator. And animal worship as well.

  • DaveH

    The Fourteenth Amendment:
    “Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    Since when is it “Equal Protection” to pass laws that target one privileged class or another?

    I don’t care what they do in the bedroom, but I do care when they get special protections that the rest of us don’t enjoy. We have too damn much government already.

  • American liberal

    We have churches you can attend by ” Choice”… Public schools are no place to teach religion…and children wanting an education shouldn’t have anyones personal religion shoved down their throats …where’s the freedom in requiring religion in public schools?

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      AL, Half these kids today don’t want an education, they want to party, the teenagers I’m talking here__WHY?__because most of the time there no one at home to teach them why it’s important to learn and to enforce it____it’s parent fault as well—-a lot of the smaller kids are being raised in pre-programmed day care centers and indoctrinated on the way up, while the parents are working____If ya let some one else teach your kids and don’t stay involved, don’t complain, that they have a different set of values than yours—!!–parents have to estay involved.

      • michael

        Angel. On this statement I finally agree with you kinda of scary HUH LOL. My wife and I are both teachers and parent involvement is rare. I do believe that all values should be taught by the parents, if they do not agree with what is being taught, as a parent you have the most influence as long as your willing to be involved. for example, I live in a conservative state but my son who is in his teens still share my liberal views.

      • Joe H.

        Angel,
        These days it’s not just the teens. they busted a party here a few months ago and there were three ten year olds drunk and partying!!!! It’s disgusting!! Where are the parents now days???

    • naturalist

      The problem isn’t whether religion should be or should not be taught in public schools. The problem is that public schools are activist hotbeds of state-sponsored bigotry against religion, Christian religions in particular, and Catholicism most specifically. Many teachers who claim to be “liberal” are among the most intolerant people when it comes to respecting another person’s religiion. They exude subtle and even not-so-subtle bias against the religious beliefs of the young people in school, leaving them at a loss as to whether to ignore it, fight back, complain, or just accept the “wisdom” of their mentors. Where do you think the recent generation of Obama supporters came from?

      • American Citizen

        That’s the problem, not that they are homosexual, but that too many of them flaunt it with an “in your face” attitude. As I once heard someone say, “It’s not who they are, it’s what they do.”

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        NATURALIST,Damn Straight!

        • Joe H.

          naturalist,
          right with you 110%!!!! Freedom of Religeon does not define as freedom FROM religeon!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, which form of the religion are you going to shove down everybodies throat? Will it be Baptist or Catholic, just which one do we all need to start swallowing??? You are not a Constitutionalist, or even a Patriot or you would not be caving into ideas that have held this country in good stead for 230 years. Next you will be wanting to change the Constitution to make it a law to be a Christian.

          • Joe H.

            eyespreachedshut,
            Where did I support “cramming any religeon down the throat” of anybody??? Maybe you should go back to school and take a remedial reading course, it might help!!!! I only ask that if my kids want to openly pray in school then they be allowed!!! I do however support the saying of the p,edge as if you want to come to this country and take advantage of all its freedoms and advantages then at least be loyal to it, if not then get your backside back to where you came from!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, why do they have to pray out loud. Is that the only way they know how to pray? Silly business. Using your theory, why should the Baptists have to listen to Catholic prayers ? Your mouth doesn’t have to be moving in order to pray.

          • Joe H.

            eyesandmouthshut(I HOPE),
            The Bible says says not to hide your light under a basket. Are you ashamed to let people know you are a Christian??? Then surely God will be ashamed of YOU!!!

    • marvin

      to understand a liberal is like trying to read a blackboard with no writing on it if you do not belive in god and want to make fun of the bible that is your right but you better be right for it is appointed that all must die,, there has only been two men ever get out of this world alive and there was no apple in the garden of eden and it was a serpent [satan] that talked

    • DaveH

      Liberal,
      But they are having somebody’s religion shoved down their throats. They are have the Religion of Liberalism shoved down their throats.

      These problems could be solved with voucher systems. Then parents could send their children to the school of their choice and everybody would be happy. Well, I should qualify that – everybody but the controlling Liberals would be happy.

      • eyeswideopen

        DaveH, who pays for the vouchers??? Government?? You make no sense.

        • DaveH

          A lot more sense than you, Ignorant Eyes.
          The Government is already paying for their education (with taxpayers money of course). I’m talking about paying less of the taxpayer’s money for a better education:
          http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=1118

          Of course, If I had my way nobody would be allowed to ride on unwilling shoulders of other people (slavery). I wouldn’t waste my time trying to convince a thieving Liberal that it’s wrong to enslave people.

        • momof4

          Eyes,
          In the state where I live in the iner city they spend about 10,000 a pupil. And they are still failing. My kids go to a pivate school it cost us 3,200 a kid for a top notch education. The government would actually save money with the voucher program.

          • eyeswideopen

            momof4, and just who would be able to use these vouchers? The poor white kids, the rich white kids, the poor black kids, rich black kids, Latin poor kids, Latin rich kids???? just who would decide who would receive the upgrade education? The education system needs reforming along with our immigration policies, healthcare, energy programs, infrastructure etc…. the list is long, meaning we have done nothing to make a better place for our children. Opps we did create a nation filled with hate and a lower standard of living. Makes you proud doesn’t it?

          • Joe H.

            eyesofanassshut,
            the voucher system would be color blind!!! If they have the voucher they can use them regardless of who they are!!!

          • Claire

            Momof4–My kids went to Lutheran schools, thank the good Lord. Now they are grown and have become adults that I am very proud of.

  • Ivan Johnson

    To properly argue this issue let’s leave religion out of it. It leads to too many ad hominem arguments from the pro-gay crowd.

    The slide downward began when we began teaching sex-education in schools.

    This trend, combined with the “Aid for Dependent Children” law, led to the mess we are in today. This paid girls to have children out of wedlock, just like the Agriculture Department pays farmers to grow certain crops. It created generations of dependency. Since there are only “baby-daddies” there are no fathers. Thus anything is permitted.

    Girls should be paid NOT to have children out of wedlock. Baby-daddies should be prosecuted under existing laws.

    When is there going to be an executive order to stop “conservative bashing” state wide? Otherwise, civil discourse cannot go on.

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      IVAN, I AGREE, THATS WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS GOT TO STOP MAKING US MORE OF A NANNY STATE?–THEY CREATE DEPENDENTS—SORRY SPELLING, GRANDSON IN ONE HAND TYPING WITH THE OTHER…LOL

  • Ivan Johnson

    Oh yes, we should go to a complete voucher system so parents, even so-called single parents can choose the school they want to send their children to.

    And if a taxpayer has no children but pay school taxes, they should be entitled to a voucher also that the can exchange as they see fit.

    Do you know how well the voucher system worked in DC as far as education? The voucher system is color-blind!

    • Carol

      Please explain why Obama stopped the voucher system in D.C. which was by the way primarily helping the black children get a premium education!!

      • American Citizen

        Who know why that man thinks as he does. Maybe it’s because he’s not a true American.

      • Michael J.

        Carol,
        By denying vouchers it would allow the children to escape socialist indoctrination. Public education is the front line of the war against Americanism and The Constitution. Every move Obama makes in respect to education is geared towards that end.

  • American liberal

    Wanting goverment out of public schools is a fight you’ll never win….. As this countrys population increases and the population base changes goverments going to be involved to make sure everybody has equal access.. Example… The county I live in is flat broke..whos going to make sure these kids get an equal education.. Here’s another argument for keeping religion out of schools… Suppose the religious majority base changed on this country and Islam became the majority.. Should you be ok with the Muslim religion being taught as the majority religion?.. Their are 1& 1/2 billion Muslims …. In 20 years their religion could be the majority religion here…. Be carefull what you wish for , you just might get your wish someday………Keep all religions out of schools…

    • American Citizen

      When the government took over running the schools, then began the entitlement mentality. The government should support me. People forget that “we the people” are the government. If parents don’t have a vested (paid) interest in their children’s education, they don’t care what their children are being taught. Ask any teacher. We have a daughter who is a teacher and the children who are the most trouble have parents that don’t care.

      • eyeswideopen

        American, one of the first schools in the colonies, was created in 1698, Feb 12. Let me quote “the rich at reasonable rates, and the poor to be maintained and schooled for nothing”. A corporation was created called “The Overseers of the Publik ( k not c as we spell it now, also e on end of school) Schoole”, founded in Philadelphia. Do some research and you will see that public schools were formed prior to our government getting involved. Notice that they made the rich pay and the poor got it for free. Probably something to do with Christian values.

    • DaveH

      “Wanting goverment out of public schools is a fight you’ll never win”.?
      Okay, if you say so Liberal, we can all go home now and give up, because American Liberal says we can’t win.
      Keep wishing and hoping Liberal.

    • Joe H.

      Am lib,
      I hate to break it to you, but there aren’t too many counties that AREN’T broke!!!! Yhe economy is in the freakin tank!!! No jobs = no income taxes!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        JoeH, no tax money = Bush’s tax cuts of 1.8 trillion dollars. Lost revenue due to him….so sad, too bad.

        • DaveH

          Yes, it’s just not right that those top 1% of wage earners pay 40% of the income taxes. They should have to pay more. Then maybe the lazy bottom 50% wouldn’t have to pay that whopping 3% of the income taxes.

          We should strive to be more like Cuba, so everyone (except the leaders) would be equally poor to satisfy the Jealosy of EyesWideShut.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH. how you try and misconstrue the truth. Almost 60% of the tax revenue is paid by those making 155k-388k. You so conveniently forget their contribution don’t you? It is called middle class America. You also seem to overlook that 64% of this country is employed by small business, not those big wonderful corporations you are so in love with. Since government employs approx 7-8 percent of the employed, that leaves only 28% that your large corporations handle. Why do you so hate the middle class of this country?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, by the way, unless you are making over 388k, you are part of what you call that lazy bottom 50%. lol.

        • Joe H.

          eyesunemployedshut,
          and the continued drain of jobs under Obummer = lots less taxincome!! too bad so much more sad!!!!

  • Patriot67

    I would rather Jesus Christ be running them. He was the master teacher and still is. His book is still around and keeping people straight, “IF” they allow him and the book to keep them on the narrow, yet staright path.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    ithink thre should a ban on gay rights who do you think you are telling us you should have special rights.We straight people do not like your filthy way of life and dont try to force it on us.

  • Hard Core

    When are they going to pass some laws that protect ordinary people? Why the hell are people going around announcing they are gay or anyother shit. I really don’t want to know or care. Just keep that crap to your sick self.

  • Hard Core

    This country was founded on Christian values. If you don’t like that idea, feel free to exercise your right to use the Constitution and leave. No one asked any Muslims to come here and if they don’t want to live in peace, leave.

    • az

      MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Hard, don’t see any Muslims making trouble, seems to be only those who want to foist their religion on others making trouble. Gee, it must be those Conservatives, doing what they have done for hundreds of years. John Stuart Mill. 1809, “Although its not true that Conservatives are stupid, it’s true that stupid people are Conservatives”. Not allowing diversity, has been part of the conservative idealogy for a long, long time. Nothing has changed, but thankfully, America, has escaped from the authoritarian grasp you so aspire to impose.

      • momof4

        Eyes,
        If only I could be just like you.

        • eyeswideopen

          mom, Take the test and see what you really are. Then if you are a RWA, you will have to own it. http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

          I am a proud Christian, who is not afraid to admit the violence that my religion has experienced throughout the history of Christianity. I am sure that God is a loving and forgiving God, who wants us to love one another and not judge each other, leaving that to him. Our religion will not grow unless we admit that we have not always followed Jesus loving ways, and stop with this attitude that one specific brand of Christianity is the “right one”. We are all the children of God. He will deal with the gays, and non-believers, and has warned us many times not to judge. Telling us outright that is his job.

          • momof4

            Eyes,
            Who said anything about one brand of Christianity being the right one?
            As a Christian I beilieve Jesus Christ is the one and only way, He himself said it I am the way the truth and the life. Nobody comes to the father except through me John 14:6. I don’t recall saying anything about one brand of Christianity being the right one.

      • Joe H.

        eyesreligeouslyshut,
        “Idon’t see any muslims causing trouble” That’s because your eyes are SHUT!!! What about the jihad lady they just arrested??? she is an American citizen and (GASP) a MUSLIM!!!! OPEN YOUR EYES,EARS AND MIND(if you have one!!!)

        • eyeswideopen

          JoeH. if you want to call a woman who hadn’t officially converted, taken any instruction in Islam, and was a whaky, blue eyed American born Anglo, a Muslim, then I will agree that she is a radical. You are right, there have been a very small number, who are actual Muslims, who are radical and hateful. How many just on this site, would kill a Muslim, just because they are a Muslim? That number far outweighs what we have seen so far.

          • momof4

            Eyes,
            Come of it, You are such a drama queen I don’t believe anyone on this site would kill someone just because they are a Muslim.

      • Michael J.

        EWO,
        “Don’t see any Muslim’s making trouble?”. Maybe you haven’t noticed the changed sky line in New York City lately. Or maybe you just missed the Fort Hood incident or the Arkansas recruiting office shooting or the Fruit of the Loom bombing attempt.

        As for religion in the eyes of the founders, I guess you are unaware of the Congressional Bible which was requisitioned by, and then later approved by the Congress of The United States for use in all matters American.

        As for the rest of your post, thanks for your self supposed ingenious nonsense.

        P.S. John Stuart Mill was only 3 years old in 1809.

  • naturalist

    Interesting is the claim that discrimination can’t be allowed to occur without a “rtional basis”. It seems to me that such abominations as “packing fudge”, “golden showers”, “circle jerks”, “rimming”, “bukake”, “facials”, etc. are adequate reasons, i.e. a “rational” basis.

  • Jack

    To American libral,You keep talking of muslim,You should read the koran muhammad all your leader did was kill everyone who did not believe like him, Also took a WIFE that was Six years old that is 6 years old!CHILD MOESTER But then it is OK for muslim’s, SICK SICK
    JACK

    • Doc Sarvis

      There’s some pretty weird stuff in the Christian Bible as well.

  • http://personallibertydigest concerned mom

    what about the school in texas that had abortion clinics coming in and indoctrine the kids about having sex. In first grade they put a book in the class room showing naked people and told the kids they could look at the book if so choose to. In 2nd grade they put in a book that showed you how to have sex. By the time they got to middle school they were having sex. But dont worry Plan Parent Hood came in and told them they could get an abortion without their parents consent. Now the government wants to fund abortion with their new health care plan.

    • eyeswideopen

      concerned mom, then you people in Texas are not responsible. I don’t believe that happened, how about a link showing us where and when that happened?

  • eddie47d

    I agree that public schools have alot of disipline problems and need to grow a spine. We are also a diverse nation so it should be reflected in what is teached,including history. Since Adolphs’ name always has to be invoked on this site and mostly in attacking liberals.Let’s get it straight,Hitler persecuted many including liberals and homosexuals and then he killed them. I believe God welcomes all of humanity since he created us. So it’s rather daunting how some of you fellow Christians love persecuting gays. You sound more like the Muslim faith (they also execute gays). To the best of my knowledge the Amish don’t go around gay bashing. They respectfully keep their religion to themselves.

    • michael

      Very well put.

    • American Citizen

      It’s not who they are, it’s what they do. Sodom and Gomorrah were punishment for what they did.

    • Joe H.

      eddie47dcup,
      I don’t know how much you know about the Amish, but I kinda believe they wouldn’t accept a Gay in their ranks at all!! This is, afterall, the group that shuns members for marrying out of their faith!!!

    • momof4

      eddie47d,
      I don’t know any Christians who persecute gays or anyone for that matter. All my christian friends have the attitude of love the sinner but hate the sin,and that goes for all sin including homosexuality.

    • momof4

      I think Christians are persecuted way more then gays. It’s more exceptable to be gay then a follower of Christ. Gays can say what ever they want. But try talking about Christ then all of a sudden people are accusing you of trying to shove your beliefs down their throats.

      • eyeswideopen

        mom, persecuted????????? How are Christians persecuted in this country? What exactly are Christians prevented from doing?

        • momof4

          Eyes,
          What are Homosexuals pervented from doing.

          • Claire

            momof4–In reality, they are not prevented from doing anything. They appear to be getting what they want. All I can say is that they need not infringe upon me. The entire issue is becoming disgusting to me more and more.

  • Ruth

    Why do discrimination ordinances list specific groups to be protected? Doesn’t this imply that anyone Not on the list can be discriminated against? A simple solution: Don’t list Anyone. Simply say discrimination, actual and not verbal, is prohibited against any person or group unless that entity is breaking the law.

    • American Citizen

      This nation is deteriorating into laws about and against groups. The government should stay out of our lives. That’s the problem.

    • DaveH

      The Lawyers would love your idea, Ruth. It would mean endless business for them.

  • http://wvi Joe Spenner

    IF RULES SAY NO OFF GRADE WORDS OR LANGUAGE CANNOT BE USED. HOW CAN THE REAL TRUTH AND FACTUAL-REALITY OF SODOMY, GIVEN THE PERFUMED WORD, “HOMOSEXUALITY,” BE STATED? THE ONLY WAY IS TO ASK READERS TO GET THE BOOK; “CHANGING BODIES CHANGING LIVES,” AUTHORED BY RUTH BELL OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD, FROM A LIBRARY OF SCHOOL.
    THE BOOK INSTRUCTS HOW STUDENTS PRACTICE “ORAL SEX,” A CAUSE OF HEPATITIS, AIDS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER SERIOUS ILLNESSES.

    • Doc Sarvis

      And you can get those diseases and others from other sexual behavior, regardless whether it is heterosexual or homosexual.

      • Joe H.

        Doc,
        here is your chance to prove yourself. Which group has the highest occurance of AIDS???? hint: it’s not Santa Clause!!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          That depends on what continent you are on. Currently the hetrosexual population in Africa has a higher rate of AIDS.

        • Joe H.

          Doc,
          Are you in AFRICA??? I’m talking HERE!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            What does geography have to do with whether homosexuality is a bad thing or a good thing or not an issue at all?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Oh and Joe H, since you seem to like these for emphasis…!!!!!!!! ?????? !!!!!! Now maybe you’ll understand.

          • Joe H.

            Doc,
            !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?1!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!!?

          • Doc Sarvis

            I guess that is a “I do not understand” response.

      • eyeswideopen

        Doc, you are right, young girls who are sexually active account for 80% of them having the HPV disease. 5,000 die from cancer attributed to the virus. Very sad stats.

  • gofer

    You don’t need to be religious to recognize, what has been the belief of all societies since the beginning of time, that homosexuality is abnormal. It’s totally against nature and is deviant. The only reason it is being acknowledged today as normal is the enormous pressure and protesting and whining for years against the American Psychiatrists Association. They caved as a group. Talk to a doctor who treats homosexuals or google it and you will discover the repulsive diseases and horrible medical problems in that community. And people are supposed to accept this??? Smoking is constantly harped on and millions are spent on anti-smoking, but the medical problems associated with deviant sexual practice are taboo??? This has nothing to do with religion. It’s a lifestyle that is nothing but determintal and dangerous. It’s nothing to celebrate.

    Something is amiss with people that are so obsessed with a sexual practice that they have obscene parades celebrating. Totally straight men turn gay in prison so it is obvious a lifestyle choice proven by the many who have turned away from that same lifestyle.

    I find many who accept the lifestyle, look upon those people the same way as someone with a disablity and should be shown compassion. Most people are naturally repulsed by such a lifestyle and it has nothing to do with religious convictions. I have friends who are homosexual, but they do not ever discuss or act out their choices, much like most straight people…it’s private.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Please tell me what diseases/medical problems are unique to those who are homosexual.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Doc Sarvis, I can’t believe you asked such a question___How about AIDS!

        • Doc Sarvis

          And I can’t believe you think that AIDs is unique to the homosexual population.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            We need to address morals, let no man lie with another man as he lie with a woman, THAT IS HOMOSEXUALITY!__AUTHOR GOD!

          • Doc Sarvis

            It is all in varied interpretations. Maybe the word “lie” means to fib. Don’t fib to a man the way you fib to a woman. Not how some Christian churches interpret scripture but how it Can be interpreted.

          • Yandle

            Doc Sarvis,
            You just illustrated why we need better schools, so a person may understand the thought that is being expressed in a sentence.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Yandle,

            What I am trying to convey is that there are almost as many interpretations of all parts of the Bible as there are readers of the book. Almost every Christian denomination looks at specifics in the Bible in different ways. To me the overriding theme in the Bible is love of one another (not love making of course – just love). The more you get into specific interpretations of individual stories (If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10) for example – there are many more), the more devisive the book becomes.

          • Joe H.

            Doc,
            another chance. Where did the first case of aids in the US come from?
            What was the occupation of the carrier?

          • Doc Sarvis

            I don’t know where the first case came from but I don’t see why it matters. The disease is spread through sexual contact; heterosexual or homosexual. In the “eyes of the disease” sex is sex, it does not matter who is having it.

          • Joe H.

            Doc,
            It came from a GAY flight attendant that liked to frequent the gay bathhouses in Frisco!!! He liked those because he could undress and the darkened interior would hide the sores on his body!! He could have told them he was sick and contageous but chose not to and the rest is history!!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Again, the geography does not matter. If we are debating homosexuality then AIDS is not an issue as it is a disease of both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

          • eyeswideopen

            Doc, yes you are right, 26% of the people with AID is women. Those women are obviously not gay.

          • Joe H.

            Doc,
            thank you for proving what everyone here has been saying. Even a first year med student would know where the first case came from. you obviously didn’t therefore you couldn’t possibly be a DR!!!!!!

          • Claire

            Yandle–Oh, we need better schools alright, but we also need better teachers!

          • Claire

            Although I do not approve of homsexuality, it is here to stay, whether we like it or not. It is not going away.

      • momof4

        Doc,
        I think you live in LaLa land.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Nope, glad to be on good ole’ American soil.

  • eddie47d

    Dave H.; You quoted the 4th Admendment as giving persons rights,such as depriving a person of rights and due process. That’s glorious! As long as gays are being singled out in society and harassed,beaten,mocked,scorned,discriminated against,then maybe the 4th has no meaning. Either it’s for everybody or nobody.

    • DaveH

      Eddie,
      There are laws against assault and harassment that apply to everybody regardless of sexual orientation.
      As far as mocking or scorning or discrimination – welcome to the human race. Do you honestly believe we can outlaw those things?

      It is well-known that crime increases as a country’s economy decreases, so impoverishing our country with Big Government is Not the Solution if you really want more peace.

  • Chris

    It is called Communism!! I believe that it was Lenin who stated in the late 1800′s that the west would be lulled to sleep, to believe that communism would be dead! That the walls would fall & that we the people would believe,that communism was dead. But wait we are all being fooled, he said that the best place to start would be at our schools & colleges, That dumbing down the masses would be easy, start with the college profesors, from there it has begun, & still goes on. A perfect example is the election of Obama, I really did not believe that the man even had a chance to be elected , but the dumblicans proved me wrong!If we want our children to be smart it is our responsibility to make sure that they get a education, That they are respected, & they respect other people, & ideas, We have to show them the power of there right to vote, & to make educated decisions. I have 2 great chidren in college right now, & there professors dont like it when they challenge them on some of the propaganda that they try to shove down there throats. But i did teach them to be open minded, to look at all sides & then make a decision. Parents must be involved in there childrens lives, they are our future.

    • Michael J.

      Chris,
      Glad to see that at least one other person on this site sees all this for what it really is, Communist Subversion.

      While propagandists in the media have deftly kept the attention of most folks riveted on what they’ve been told to believe are the ‘real threats’ to America, such as gas prices, genuine Christianity, and mad cow disease, Marxist-trained psychopoliticians, propagandists, and change agents have descended upon the schools and are subjecting children and older youth to thought control and social re-engineering methodologies.

  • American liberal

    You rightwingers all claim to want religion taught in schools but not 1 of you can tell me which religion you want taught and what religions you want excluded…common sense says you can’t teach all the religions… So which ones to you want taught?..here’s another question you won’t answer… Since you claim the bible teaches homosexuality is a sin.. What would you like done with homosexuals …?.. It’s also a fact that homosexuality accures naturally in nature..

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      God says let the dead be with the dead.

    • DaveH

      Religion is, always has been, and always will be a threat to those who seek absolute control.
      I am atheist, but they do not bother me as I don’t seek absolute power over the lives of others. I could care less if they pray in school or carry a cross. I have never witnessed anybody being forced to pray. It would be foolish to even attempt such a thing.
      I have been independent all my life, and when the teachers would have everybody rise and pledge allegiance to the flag, I just stood there, saying nothing. Nobody bothered me.
      This country was founded on Individual Freedom, and it works. It made the United States into the Richest Country on this Earth. And now we are losing that freedom to the Big Government Worshipers.

      • Allan

        I wish all atheists were as respectful as you.

      • scott

        ignorance is no excuse.have a great april fools day.thats all you atheists special day fool.

        • DaveH

          You bash an ally? And then call me a fool? You are a disgrace to your religion. Unfortunately, being religious does not guarantee that a person will be either moral or respectful to his fellow human being.

          • Claire

            DaveH–and it doesn’t guarantee entrance to Heaven.

          • Claire

            To further explain, I know several people that claim to be religious and believe in God but their actions say differently.

        • momof4

          Scott,
          That was really rude,last time I checked we were still a free country and DaveH stiil has a right to his own beliefs. Besides your not being a very good witness.

        • Claire

          scott–put an egg in your shoe and beat it.

          • momof4

            Claire,
            He sure did! Was I too harsh?

          • Claire

            Momof4–No, you were not too harsh!! You have every right to voice your opinion on this site just like everyone else does. What I said to him about putting an egg in his shoe and beat it was something I said when I was little kid. That statement is so old it probably sounded goofy!

      • scott

        thats where the problem is.all you idiot atheists can,t accept the fact that this country was founded on the bible and god idiot.try reading the words of our founding fathers,not just liveing by your fantasy world.this country was made by christians who wanted to livew free and raise they,re children under the word of god.the bible moron.those allowed were people of like mind who wanted to live as us and be free.then you liberal scumbags started with the freedom of religion crap,and now your trying to elliminate god all together.one phrase from our founding fathers was,surely the bible is the cornerstone of our democracy on which we are founded.you,ll see hundreds of other similar statements from all our founding fathers before we had this country for you idiots to deny and destroy because of your stupidity.your heading to hell and i could care less,but it,s the kids your bringing down with you scum that i care about.

        • DaveH

          I don’t believe in something I can’t sense in any way shape or form, but you do? And I’m the Idiot? Give me a break Zealot. Thankfully, you are the exception amongst Religious people. Most I have known are respectful, unlike yourself.

          • momof4

            DaveH,
            Sorry someone who claimed to be a follower of Christ was so incredible rude to.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            As a Christian, I appologise to you for someone who claims to be on and gets so insulting!!!!

        • momof4

          Scott,
          DaveH is not a liberal

          • eyeswideopen

            momof4, so that means to treat him with respect, whereas if he was a liberal, that means you can demean and degrade him????? Where does it give license in the Bible to treat God’s children badly because they have a different political belief? Please tell me where.

          • Joe H.

            no, we’d only do that with you!!!

          • Claire

            I believe we are all equal in God’s eyes. Personally, I look at what is in a person’s heart, soul, and their character. If a person chooses to be an athiest, then so be it. That does not make him/her a bad person. I know several people that go to church every Sunday and raise hell all week. I guess they think by doing this they will gain entrance to Heaven. Remember, we have freedom of choice and speech. None of us have the right to ram our thoughts down anyone else’s throats.

          • momof4

            Eyes,
            Please practice what you preach.

          • Claire

            Good choice of words. We should all practice what we preach.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Dave H, “Religion is, always has been, and always will be a threat to those who seek absolute control”__Yes your so right, because those that seek aboslute control are nassisitic and want to be worshiped as well__

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          sorry mispelled

      • Christian Patriot

        Athiest, continue your stance and one day, you will stand before God in judgment. You turned your back on God & He will turn His back on you. You will be cast down into the lake of fire to be tormented for eternity. Get the book “A Devine Revelation of Hell” so you’ll know what to expect when you go to hell.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      That may very well be, but I doubt that “Nature” is trying to change the laws that says marrieage is between a man and a woman!

      • eyeswideopen

        angel, so tell me which marriage is correct according to you?
        http://www.twopaths.com/faq_marriage.htm

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          EYESWIDEOPEN, THE ONLY MARRIAGE GOD BLESS’S IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.__MY DAD WAS ONE OF EIGHT, HIS FATHER DIED AT 45__MY GRAND MOTHER LATER MARRIED HER BROTHER-IN LAW, AS HIS WIFE ALSO DIED, LEAVING ANOTHER 8 CHILDREN___IT WAS A MARRIAGE OF CONVIENIENCE___THEY WERE MARRIED UNTIL MY STEP GRANDFATHERS DEATH. _MARRIAGE TO ME IS BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS, CONSISTING OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN. NO AMOUNT OF LINKS NOR ANY OTHER OPINION WOULD CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS, FOR ME IT IS, AS GOD SAYS.

          • eyeswideopen

            angel, but which way does God say you have to be married? Did you know God, never states that Catholics must be married before a priest? Check the Bible and you will see. You can live in denial, that is your right. If your religion doesn’t identify all the various forms of marriage in the Bible, that is something they prefer to omitt, and that is alright also.

          • Yandle

            angel-wanna-be,
            You are exactly right.

          • Joe H.

            eyesfruitlessshut,
            God does, though, command them to go forth and be fruitful!!! Kinda hard when you have two women or two men, now isn’t it????

          • Claire

            JoeH–Well, they are adopting kids, therefore homsexuality will continue. This issue will be here until the end of time. No way out of it.

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          Is that them being fruitful???? Did they produce the offspring:??? I don’t think so!!! I still have a problem with Gays adopting!!!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H–I was simply making the statement that they were adopting and will continue to do so. Fruitful? Of course not. Plus the fact that the kids they adopt may very well turn out to be like them. I don’t like the idea that gays adopt little kids either. And I have also stated in an earlier post that I do not approve of gays. But nothing can be done about it, they will be here on earth till the end of time. Please do not misread my words.

    • Allan

      American Liberal-

      Many liberals, in their interpretation of founding principles, seem to think they must disinfect all corners of American public life from religion. Imagine yourself going to another country and trying to disinfect it from it’s major religion, whatever that is. Could get you in some real trouble, eh? You’ve heard the phrase “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”? It’s good, practical advice. Or, perhaps don’t go to Rome? If your kid has a problem with what is being taught or not taught, let him find a solution, with your help if he wants it. That will make him more self-reliant. Don’t try to force the school, or country to disinfect itself and its culture more to your liking. Just because the U.S. may be infused with a Judeo-Christian bias (and every other place on earth has a bias) doesn’t make a bias illegitimate, or that you kid still isn’t free to choose his religion. You obviously were! Kids have to wait until emancipation to be free of exposure and conformity to other’s principles, including their parents. Or, you could view it as an endless source of views for liberals to correct. I took a course in grad school from a young professor who said it wasn’t appropriate to use sacred music examples in teaching music classes. Younger grad students nodded in politically correct agreement. I decided to limit my future contact with this immature professor.

    • scott

      [Offensive post removed]

      • momof4

        Scott,
        Yes, marraige is a scacred union and sould be reserved for a man and woman,but your ranting is really embarassing. You are not being a good example of a Christian. Think about what the Lord would do, Think about how he treated the woman caught in the act of adultry,think about the woman at the well. Did Jesus the prince of peace tell these woman they should be eliminated, no, He told them to go in peace and sin no more. And please don’t call me a liberal because I am not.

      • Claire

        Scott–By all means, express your opinion, but you don’t have to be crude about it.

    • Claire

      Homosexuality in nature occurs when an animal wants to be dominant over the other. In essence, I guess the same could be applied to humans that are homosexuals. Either way it is unnatural to me. It is their choice, not mine and as long as it never infringes upon me, then I will ignore it. Maybe it will go away but it is unlikely.

      • Claire

        This was in reply to American Liberal–how did it get way down here???

  • Ernie

    Who is going to *protect* those who agree with enforcing *additional and above* the basic rights of mankind, i.e., (the right of any man or woman living w/i the United States of America to marry whom they please [providing they are of legal age and mentally competent and to the **opposite** sex, hence one man and one woman] when they are left behind after the rapture of God-fearing, Bible believing, Holy Spirit filled, Christians? The tribulation time will be Satan’s unhindered fury on earth for seven years and then the judgment ~ Romans 5:9; 6:5-7; I Corinthians 5:9-11; 6:9-20; I Thessalonians 1:10; 4:15-18; 5:1-11; II Thessalonians 2:6:8; Revelation 3:10; 21:8, 27; 22:15; et al.

    • Susan

      You shall see signs in the heavens. WE have seen or at least I have. When asked if others saw the answer was no. Warnings have been being given for a long time. Challengers accident, the Fire that killed those before they left the pad. and how many other warnings lately asia snummi, earthquake eruption on the floor of the ocean, and ruination of New Orleans and Hati. a place known for it’s voodoo belief, even though many teaching of the Christina faith in the past few years yet even after the distruction the Voodoo practices were still being used. along with the faith of those that had been going to the destroyed churches of the missionaries. Pay attention .. and keep your eye on Jerusalem,,,

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Whenever the religous talk of end times and how we’ve been in them for a long time, the Liberals just pass it off as Global warming or they just blame George Bush!

  • Susan

    It would not hurt to pray. for THAT CITY and IT’S PEOPLE.

    • scott

      remember sodom and gamora

  • Susan

    if there is no people left here .. what will those on the living space Station do. anyone considered this . invasion of GODS DOMAIN.

  • Mike Russo

    Hello!
    Something to consider. Not all pedophiles are homos but why do all homos hit on young boys? Perhaps all homos are pedophiles?
    Let’s allow homos their “Rights” free range all homos.
    One last thing does anyone remember homos saying that Jesus was one of them?

    • scott

      why does this country cater to the queers when they,re the ones screwed up in the head.why not make them get mental help instead of giveing them special rights.they,re destroying the very fabric of this country.maybe because most the liberals and politicians are queer.if we made it a law that you can,t be a queer and hold a public office or job,we would,nt have this problem.

  • eddie47d

    Some homosexuals do it out of curiosity and some are born that way. Some people are born with disabilities and some become disabled in life. Some Christians hate Jews and some of us embrace them. Some people hate cats and some can’t live without them. The comparisons go on and on. There have been societies and people who have killed all of the above.They want life just for themselves and anybody that doesn’t fit their mold they want eliminated. We are a big compassionate country with room for alot of differences. Let’s truly embrace Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    _Joe H, “I THINK THE CONSTITUTION CAN BE A LIVING DOCUMENT FOR ALL TIME, as long as it used for the greater good”,_To take this further Joe, I believe, We’ve also have to have boundaries in our own individual lives as well. For Example: I think abortion is murder, just because there is laws for it, doesn’t make it right in my eyes___ There must be boundaries and things in our lives we just won’t do, (we can’t just rely on society for rules).__or we’d fall into chaotic ruin & destruction, ___And if SOCIETY falls, SO falls THE NATION,_ Sodom, Gommorah??__Yes, I think the Constitution can be used for all time, for good and common sense, but it must retain it’s base and not to allow to be re-written by a fool hearty people on their every whim__ Like the poor among us, There will always be those of whom will down the Constitution_ the Gays are seeking inclusion and equality in same sex marriage benefits. In the 1700′s, I doubt, the Framers vision of the Constitution, that a right be given, to that of two male soldiers holding hands disappearing into combat, to live happily ever after????__ The Gays are not satisfied individually, and won’t be happy until they change the very core of the Constitution to support their cause. What’s more, They have politcally correct backing,the Liberals, Dick Cheney (R),who also supports gay/lesbian marriage, his Daughter Mary is a Lesbian. The ACLU, believe in this live and let live life style or they wouldn’t defend it and call it right!__ we live in a society anymore of anything goes,____And What then, do we teach our the Children, we have to rely on own own instincts?___It’s this kind of civil immorality, that’s bringing America, who isn’t even 300 years old, teetering on the brink of social unrest & collapse__I believe, God is a tolerant God, but he’ll only tolerate so much for so long, before his Anger & Wrath are unleashed__ it’s begun long ago__God gave us rules & commandments as a guide to live by, a true difference between right and wrong__, but they are being ignored, while the people make and live by their own rules__right and wrong is real,and there is a choice folks__ and whether anyones believes it or not, God was consulted in prayer by the Framers who’d written, the Constitution. Today the Words of both the Bible and the Constitution are being twisted and used against those of us who believe in them,___Haven’t we learned anything from history?___Rome, the largest empire in the world, who’s rulers for years, were given the opportunity to change, but continued to be perverse and unjust, until Rome finally fell,_
    Is this our future?

  • eddie47d

    Rome fell for many reasons including immoral behavior. I strongly believe porno is disgusting for those who watch it are lusting for an illusion. They have lost their feeling for true love and commitment to one person,so anything goes. I’m not concerned whether homosexuals marry or not,as long as they are in a commited relationship. Since the divorce rate in America is around 50% that begs the question of why heterosexuals can’t keep it together. A homosexual certainly isn’t telling someone in a trditional marriage to get divorced and they don’t tell their adoptive children they should be gay. Please check the facts on who pedofiles are for they are almost always heterosexuals. The same for those who buy porno and it’s everywhere.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      eddie47d___The Divorce rate is so high because of a “ME SOCIETY”,___all ya hear, I’m Leaving, I Don’t Love You any more__I’m Just not Happy__or They see a figure on the other side of the fence, and think “could it be my knight in shining amour”__they climb aboard with their hair in wind and as they ride away on that big white horse,there fading in the distance, are the children with tear filled eyes wondering why no one that really cares about them___My Old man and I been married 34 years together 38__If I took the hell off everytime something didn’t suit me, I’d need a FRIGGIN’ jet plane to get back and forth___YOU WONDER WHY IS ALL FAILING??__ The reason why it’s all failing is because no one got the balls to stay in anything for the long hall, and that their plan is better than GODS!

      • Joe H.

        Angel;
        I understand what you say. I’ve been married to the same woman for the last 34 years. I was married for three years before and divorced her for adultry! I never looked back and I’m just glad there were no kids! Guess God knew it was wrong in the first place!!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I’ll tell ya what Joe, the old Man and I weren’t angels, we made plenty of mistakes, but by the grace of God we made it, this far. We could’ve thrown in the towel years ago, but Home and Family are everything and that’s worth fighting for.__and no Joe, ya don’t look back, only ahead__GOD BLESS

  • Boo T

    I don’t understand why some students need protection more than any other students. Just what are they being protected from? People are people no matter what your sexual orientation (and that’s none of my business, unless you want to make it my business). I don’t go flaunting that I’m herterosexual and expect to be treated differently than those that aren’t herero. I guess I just don’t understand alot of things any more.

    • Claire

      A child does not have to be gay to be bullied. There are plenty of kids that are bullied and crucified on and off school grounds. It is the society we live in, the hate that is continously spread. I think parents should step up to the plate and do a better job at raising their kids. But then again, look at the world, how can any kid deal with this chaos?

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    American Liberal: Notice you use the British spelling responce for “response”.

    Are you a naturalized American? No offense but that may explain where your political views were formed.

    • Joe H.

      Bud,
      He was probably taught to make a cross through his sevens too!!

  • Michael J.

    EWO,
    “Don’t see any Muslim’s making trouble?”. Maybe you haven’t noticed the changed sky line in New York City lately. Or maybe you just missed the Fort Hood incident or the Arkansas recruiting office shooting or the Fruit of the Loom bombing attempt.

    As for religion in the eyes of the founders, I guess you are unaware of the Congressional Bible which was requisitioned by, and then later approved by the Congress of The United States for use in all matters American.

    As for the rest of your post, thanks for your self supposed ingenious nonsense.

    P.S. John Stuart Mill was only 3 years old in 1809.

    • eyeswideopen

      Michael, I was talking about the Muslims in this country, that everyone was talking about killing or removing from here. The point being to hold a whole religion responsible for the actions of a few, would be like holding all Christians responsible for the action of the OKC bomber, or any of those radicals who have recently shot up all those innocents. Wasn’t the killer of Dr. Tiller a Christian? You don’t hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a radical insane person. Unless of course you are a right wing radical.

      • Claire

        eyes–Remember during World War II the government rounded up all the Japanese in America? Personally, I wouldn’t be unhappy if our government did the same with the Muslims. You have to admit we have plenty of people here in the U.S. that have “plans” for the downfall of America, including Muslims. There are numerous organizations right here in America that need to be “looked at.” Yes, we need to “clean house” and this includes these so-called radical groups. Personally, I think these hateful groups should be rounded up and kicked out of the country. Anyone harboring evil thoughts against America and all Americans should be ousted. Plus the fact there are so many people out there that continue to spew so much hate and dissent that we will never unite for the good of America. The people that spread venom are thrilled that Americans are arguing amongst themselves. They continue to stir the pot, and some people thrive on this turmoil. And NO, I am not saying “make love, not war.” I call it using common sense and civility. I call it using the brains God gave us.
        On another note, I heard yesterday about Hannity taking funds from the Cancer Society? Anyone hear this?

      • Joe H.

        eyesforgottenshut,
        you forget that the Ft. Hood shooter was both An American citizen and a Muslim!!! spin again eyes!!!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      mikey, oops. 1865 was the year. You are so kind to have caught that. If you knew the year why wouldn’t you insert correction? Glad to know that you read.

  • Joe H.

    Michael J,
    eyes must be nursing a sore posterior. First Yandle kicks it up on her shoulders and now you kick it up over and down again. good kicking both of you! good kicking indeed!

  • Claire

    I have heard/read where the Catholic nuns are “for” the health care reform.

    • Joe H.

      claire,
      When you consider they take a vow of poverty, the church probably plans to turn their health care over to the plan!! Ever think about that? Just think how much it will save the church!

      • Claire

        Joe H–this rather surprised me, because in the beginning I think I read they were against the health reform. I haven’t even watched TV today, guess I will have to see what is going on with health reform. What a mess. Scary as hell.

        • momof4

          Claire,
          They should be totally against it, considering all the abortions that will take place. Now that the government will be covering them. How sad.

          • Claire

            momof4–Gosh I hate the word “abortions.” I cannot believe people think abortion is o.k. and it is not murder. I cannot imagine killing a baby. Ever. I would not be able to live with myself, the guilt would be overwhelming. I edited a book on medicolegal investigation written by a topnotch forensic examiner about 3 years ago. It is appalling what the human race will do to one another. The photos almost made me gag. It is appalling what some women will do to their children. The torture cases concerning babies were unbelievable. And the homosexual cases were mindboggling. It is unfathomable to think or even know that stuff like this happens every day. The people that commit these atrocities do not have a soul. They are truly creatures of the devil.

  • momof4

    Claire,
    I am sitting here listening to the healthcare debate on Cspan before the vote.
    The Dems are all yacking about how many people die a day because they dont have insurance. It makes me sick to think 4,0000 babies a day are murdered and very rarely for the mother’s health.Then they are talking about people born with disabilities and how hard it is for these people to get health insurance, This justs kills me, they are the ones who think it is perfectly fine to end the lives of kids that aren’t born perfect.

    • Claire

      momof4–Hi!! I have watched bits and pieces off and on all afternoon. I am so thoroughly disgusted with both parties right now. I cannot condone abortion. You are right, they are eager to kill kids that aren’t born perfect. And some of these people shouldn’t be having kids anyway. It is always the child that suffers in these instances. Babies are at the mercy of the parents/mother and now I guess at the mercy of the government. I sometimes think that I never want to vote again. I almost wish there were no parties, and we could just vote for the person. It seems that once we elect someone they are never the same after they step into Congress and the White House. Heck, one of the guys/gals on this site could probably do a better job. And to be honest with you, I would probably trust them a heck of a lot more. In my lifetime I have voted for both parties, and became disgusted once they got into office. Both parties should work together for the betterment of America but no, all they can think of is being re-elected. Well, come November and in 2012 hopefully most of them will be voted out. If we start with a new slate of true Conservatives it should work.

  • http://patio-builder.com Danae

    Dear Friends, Happy April Fool’s Day!!

    The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), the FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it.
    The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist.
    The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear.
    The bear is yelling: “Okay! Okay! I’m a rabbit! I’m a rabbit!”

    Happy April Fool’s Day!

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