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Government Declares War On Lemonade Stands

October 14, 2011 by  

Government Declares War On Lemonade Stands

Let’s switch for a bit from the deadly serious to the merely very irritating.

Last week, I pondered whether the U.S. is now sanctioning murder. Please click here if you didn’t read that very important column. So much more has come out about the slaying of Anwar al-Awlaki, and there has been so much confusion and controversy, that I’ll definitely return to the topic very soon.

But today, I want to talk about one of the most ridiculous results of our Big Nanny government run amok. It is the startling fact that all across the country, children are being told that their lemonade stands are against the law. And not just lemonade stands, but sales of Girl Scout cookies and Japanese green tea have also been declared enemies of the State.

I kid you not. In community after community, these budding entrepreneurs are being told to pack it up and scoot before they’re charged with various violations. In some instances, in fact, fines have been levied.

I’m beholden to the Freedom Center of Missouri, a relatively new public policy group in the Show Me State, for documenting the following list of outrages. Please note that all of these occurred this year. Such crackdowns are becoming more and more common.

Aug. 6: Massachusetts State police shut down the stand of a 12-year-old refugee from Fukushima, Japan, who was selling green tea he brought with him when he and his family evacuated after the tsunami.

Aug. 1: Police officers in Coralville, Iowa, ordered at least three sets of children to quit selling lemonade during the Register’s Annual Great Bike Ride Across Iowa unless they first got a vendor’s permit and a health inspection. This is the first known example of a coordinated set of shutdowns at a single time.

July 19: In McAllen, Texas, authorities shut down a girl’s lemonade stand for failing to obtain a food permit and threatened a grandmother who protested with a $50 fine.

July 17: Police in Appleton, Wis., inform children that despite legally selling lemonade and cookies in their front yard during an annual city festival for the past several years, a new city ordinance bans these sales. The reason? To protect licensed vendors from competition. How’s that for a great example of how America works?

July 15: Cops in Midway, Ga., shut down a lemonade stand some children were running in their own front yard, saying the kids had to obtain a peddler’s license and a food license and pay $50 per day for a temporary business permit.

June 16: A county inspector in Maryland closes kids’ lemonade stand and fines parents $500 for violating county law.

June 10: The Philadelphia Department of Health shuts down a lemonade stand operated by a cancer charity because it lacked a necessary permit and — get this — didn’t install a hand-washing station.

March 7: Officials in Hazelwood, Mo., said a cookie stand in a family’s driveway violated local ordinances and ordered an end to the Girl Scouts cookie sale.

Feb. 26: Georgia police demanded the closure of a Girl Scout cookie stand until the girls obtained a peddler’s permit.

Feb. 26: Savannah, Ga., officials determined that city ordinances require an end to a 40-year tradition of Girl Scouts selling cookies outside the historic home of the organization’s founder.

Is this a world gone crazy or what?

I wish I could tell you that the evil triumvirate of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama were responsible for this nuttiness. But they aren’t. In virtually every case, the culprits were local officials obeying local ordinances. So much for my long-held conviction that the closer you can bring government to the citizenry, the more fair and efficient it will be. Clearly, in the communities described above, some petty bureaucrats have an awful lot of time on their hands.

Have you heard of a similar outrage in your community? If you have, please notify the good folks at the Freedom Center of Missouri at www.mofreedom.org. They have a national map on their website where they like to track such things.

I thought of a way we can turn this absurd negative into a bit of a positive. And that is by asking you to share an inspiring story from your own youth when you demonstrated the same entrepreneurial spark as the youngsters above. What happened as a result?

I’ll start. My first money-making effort, besides a long list of chores that earned me a weekly allowance, was setting up a roadside lemonade stand along the highway that ran past our house.

What I didn’t consider, and what neither parent pointed out to me, was that the two-lane highway was in rural Ohio and that cars zipped by at 50 miles an hour. Want to guess how many slammed on the brakes and backed up a few hundred yards so they could buy our lemonade?

None. Our only customer in three days was a nice neighbor who knew we were there and came to a stop in front of our house. My younger brother, who was my partner in the enterprise, got pretty discouraged after the first hour or two. Because I was older and bigger, however, I made him keep at it for two more days.

Truth be told, I didn’t mind our lack of success. First of all, I had all the lemonade to drink I wanted. Second, I always had a book handy and could wile away the quiet hours with one of the Black Beauty stories or Tom Swift and his electric whatever. It didn’t take much to keep me happy in those days.

But during the third day, I finally threw in the towel. I had had enough of my brother’s complaining. Besides, he came up with an alternative idea that made sense to me.

“Why don’t we walk along the highway and pick up all the empty bottles we find,” he suggested. “We can take them to the store in town and collect the deposit on them. Then we can spend it on Coke, candy and comic books.”

Like any brother, Jeff knew all my weaknesses. I wasn’t that crazy about Coke or candy; in fact, I preferred a root beer float. But the chance to purchase a brand-new comic book, and not wait until my monthly haircut to read whatever remnant of a comic book I could find in our neighborhood barbershop, was irresistible.

So we went inside and each took a pillowcase from our bed. Then we started searching the roadside and gutter for castoffs.

You’ll probably be surprised to learn how successful our efforts were. As I recall, we received 2 cents for every small glass bottle we found and a nickel for the larger ones. After a couple of hours of effort, I think we’d each earned a dollar or two. That may not sound like much today, but back in the early 1950s, it was a king’s ransom — or at least enough for several comic books and candy.

The whole experience was a great lesson for us. Our parents made sure we realized there was no such thing in this world as something for nothing. If you wanted something, you had to earn it. As the Lord said in Genesis 3:19, “By the sweat of your brow will you have food to eat until you return to the ground from which you were made” (NLT).

I wish I saw more examples of today’s youngsters working as hard for their spending money as we did a generation or two ago. Kids today take their $100 sneakers and jeans for granted as well as their $200 electronic gizmos.

Would they actually be better off if they had to trudge down the highway, picking up empty soda and beer bottles to earn a few extra dollars? You tell me.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

 

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • ron

    I thought you guys were for state rights. Or are we attempting in some way to blame Obama once again.

    • JeffH

      ron, did you even bother to read the whole article? Obviously not or you have a terrible comprehension problem.

      This is the part you seemed to miss:
      “I wish I could tell you that the evil triumvirate of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama were responsible for this nuttiness. But they aren’t. In virtually every case, the culprits were local officials obeying local ordinances. So much for my long-held conviction that the closer you can bring government to the citizenry, the more fair and efficient it will be. Clearly, in the communities described above, some petty bureaucrats have an awful lot of time on their hands.”

      • Thor

        Good point, JeffH; and these are of course some excellent examples of what is becoming a growing “Nanny State” or “Nanny (totalitarian) System.” But, once again, the mechanism that is causing it is brushed over, almost ignored. For this to happen there has to be a law on the books at some level of government–local and state governments here–that lends itself to abuse. That means some legislative body put it there. Once there, the law is in the purview of law enforcement. Law enforcement, however, is a totally reactive body which would never go after law-breakers of this ilk without a complaint. They don’t simply drive through the community looking for cookie sales and lemonade stands. They respond to citizen complaints. That can only mean that citizens, like many of those posting here, are ‘turning the kids into the cops.’ Once that happens, officers have no choice but to respond because once they are notified a host of liabilities arise in the most litigious society that has ever lived. That means that complainers expect the law to act; if it doesn’t then the local sheriff’s office or police department minions find themselves in civil court. And you guys know as well as I do what happens when liberal judges, lawyers and entitlement juries (the ones that always seem to make it through voir dire) do to entities with the money like the sheriff’s office and the local P.D. That brings us back to the law itself, to elected officials (mostly attorneys) who pass the laws and to the way laws are interpreted–and most especially to those laws that should exist and don’t–like tort reform laws that would limit both the kinds of civil suits brought and their nature, along with the amount of prize money at the end. This is of course a war against capitalism, a free market economy and entrepreneurship. But I don’t think we get anywhere by shooting at the communist socialist flag. You have to go after the minions who raised it up the flag pole and address the causes and deprive them of the instruments they use. You wanna solve this problem? You have to take back our universities and change peoples’ perspective on what the law–and everyone concerned with it–is supposed to do.

        • Bob McCormick

          I agree with most of what you say, there are an abundance of complainers and litigious whiners in our society. Can you imagine a food vendor complaining about competition from a kid’s lemonade stand and the police, idiots that they are, justifying their actions by saying they had a complaint. Your contention that the police are powerless to use discretion is totally inaccurate however. Even here in a commie state like Massachusetts, the cops often pick and choose which laws the wish to enforce. In the case of the lemonade stand they can easily use one of their favorite tactics, wait until evening when the kids are sure to be gone before investigating, they use this tactic all the time.
          Even in more serious situations the cops exercise selective enforcement. As an example, several years ago residents of a street in the town where I lived found it necessary to take their complaints of excessive speed to the selectmen. In open meeting the Chief cited the presence of the State Police training facility on that road as the reason he could not enforce the speed limit, the selectmen concurred. So when the cops use their standard “I’m just doing my job” excuse it’s bs, remember the other Nazis, the ones from Germany, they used the “I was just following orders” excuse, it didn’t fly then either.

          • Old Henry

            Bob:

            Just a thought, but I wonder what the Chief and Selectmen would have done if the residents had secured a 16″ 2×4 across the street as a “speed bump”?

          • http://moses.vemma.com Dragon

            I recall operating a Lemonade stand at a local roadside rest area on US 183, back when I was a kid. Among my many customers, I had Highway Patrol officers, and county deputies, and some of those deputies weren’t even from my county. I also had truckers driving cross country, numerous families traveling hither and you, and all the local people around where I lived. A neighbor, a girl I knew who was in the Girl Scouts; came over when the Girl Scouts were having their cookie sales, and set up shop within my stand. We both made lots of money, and the Girl Scouts even went as far as to ship her more cookies to sell.
            That roadside rest area is now fenced off from the highway, with a small turn off into it at each end. Truckers and travelers fly by and hardly notice the park, as most are too busy trying to get where they want to go to pay attention. On a visit, this past summer, I set up a drink stand in the rest area, and placed a sign to attract customers. My first customer was a state trooper who told me I couldn’t sell refreshment at the rest area without a permit. That was according to State law, but was only legal on State owned property. That rest area is private property. And I own it, as it is on my farm land, and has been in my family for over 80 years. County ordinance allows me to set up stands for any purpose I wish, but the State demands I get a license.
            I split the difference, and opened a drive onto my home site, offering food and drinks; picnic style. The State never said a word, although their officers like to come by, when I am open, and have a meal; (LEA pays half price for a meal).

          • John in CA

            Both you and Thor are correct, however you both missed a couple of things. Officers do have discretion, but local bureaucrats are not much different from the crooks in Washington, in that they are always looking to achieve “revenue enhancement.” Peace officers are often under pressure from higher up regarding how they prioritise their enforcement efforts. Also, these officers are now mostly graduates of the very same schools turned indoctrination centers that produced the complainers and whiners.

            My town is a fine example of this. When I was a child, my mother and I would make extra cash every couple of weeks by having a yard sale. We made a little money, got rid of stuff we didn’t want (frequently it was stuff that other people hadn’t wanted, as we would sometimes visit and buy out yard sales at the end of the day), and kept said stuff out of a land fill. We did this for a couple of decades. That is, until towns and cities around here started enacting yard sale bans, and requiring permits, which are usually limited to one per year or every few months in some cases. Most municipalities even have people on the payroll who’s job it is to drive around, looking for violations of various ordinances, so it isn’t always some busy body calling them.

            Whenever I want fresh loads in the 1860 Army I keep at bedside (so I’m eccentric, the weapon suits me), I can just go out to the garage and “unload” it into a bucket of dirt. I can do this because, supposedly due to budget cuts, local law enforcement policy is not to respond to calls of shots fired unless someone has actually been shot (and there are stiff fines for false reports, so it is not wise to embellish to get them to show up). However, try having a yard or garage sale, and you are likely to receive a visit from a code enforcement officer, usually escorted by at least two officers.

            There is a very fine line between bribery and a legal permitting system. That line is really nothing more than the difference between bribery and extortion.

          • Old Henry

            Dragon:

            That’s a great story! Thank you for sharing it. Just goes to show there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

        • LexRex

          AVCurmudgeon said it best: “’that government governs best that governs least.”’ In some ways the temptation for government overreach can become greater the smaller [more local] the level.” Indeed some of the worst tyrants are pettifogging local bureaucrats.

          The rub comes from the army of snitches and gossips who “anonymously complain” about violations and sic the legal thugs on their neighbors; they are reinforced by battalions of city or county employees (like trash collectors, or utility workers) who collect bounties or “incentives” for reporting any “code violations” they observe.

          In our city there is whole “Department of Code Enforcement” that prowl the city looking for such civil violations as “yard sale signs, or Little League posters” or small businesses that put balloons on their doors to promote a sale or event, or worst of all having a bible study group in your home without a government permit (so much for the First Amendment).

          Shades of Stalinism; it’s enough to make you wonder who really won the Cold War. Khrushchev boasted that Communism would bury us, and it’s beginning to look like he was right, they just changed the label.

          No wonder America now ranks so low on the freedom scale in civilized society. Are we really Americans or genetically modified mutations spawned by the decadent 60′s Age of Aquarius flower power pot smokers crossbred with illegal aliens palmed off as Americans?

          • http://againstdisconnction.blogspot.com Patricia Krenik

            You most excellently make your point. Freedoms we took for granted as a child are simply gone. A stifling government.

        • Old Henry

          Damn Thor! I was not aware we had lawyers cruising our hallways..

          • Thor

            Learn something every day, eh O.H.? Since teleportation has not been perfected yet, lawyers have to drive just like everyone else. Stopped one myself one time for a traffic infraction. When I walked up to the window he handed me his cell phone. My supervisor was on the phone. What the lawyer heard went like this: “Yessir, my dash-cam was on and the video and sound are working just fine.” “Yessir, I got the traffic infraction on tape.” It was one occasion on which things developed in my favor because I was violating this lawyer’s rights by taping him breaking the law. Of course, it would have never happened if some well-meaning cad had called in to tell me where little Johnny had set up his lemonade stand…so, I could have harassed him instead.

          • Thor

            …oh, and if by ‘hallways’ you mean those of our colleges and universities–where to you think old lawyers go before they die? Back to the dark, cobweb infested halls of lyceum to regurgitate and recycle the antiquated legal theories of old, of course. Those who can no longer do, teach. And what do they teach? Not what is new and practical but what they were taught. As Hawthorne put it, we are dying of dead mens’ diseases and suffering from dead judges’ legal precedents.

          • Old Henry

            Thor:

            That’s great!

      • Old Henry

        Great call JeffH. (Smiley face) LOL!

    • DaveH

      States Rights should be a given, since that is the main law of the land. The operative phrase here being “should be”.
      No, Ron, being for State Sovereignty does not mean that we’re okay with local Government micromanaging our lives.
      Reich Wing? Funny Ron, because it is Liberals who want to impose their lifestyle choices of everybody else. It is Liberals who emulate the controlling actions of the Nazis. It’s odd that the Liberals on this board attempt so often to project their own inclinations on the rest of us.
      You must have mistaken this for a Liberal site, Ron, where you can pass your inane comments with little fear of intelligent rebuttal.

      • DanB

        I think this is a sign that progressivism has sunk into many levels of our society, that many of us have bought into the philosophy that is the responsibility of government to do all these things. It used to be that our local governments could have part-time (volunteering their time) representation. Because we only believed they should do the very basics, and thus they only needed to spend time doing the very basics. Now we have them managing local ISPs (several communities here have gone in on an ISP venture that is losing money–like so many government projects do but the communities keep adding to it and others keep signing on–and this is in Utah!), mandating recycling–now we pay to recycle and even I remember when actually could get some nickels and dimes for recycling in the early eighties when I was a boy–and the list actually keeps going on. Providing water, sewer, police, and fire department are only a small portion of what they do now. They have job services. Paid libraries (instead of volunteer). Regulate everything from your coffee shop to computer repairs. I am trying to start my own computer business nights and weekends. I have to keep my “services” very limited if I want to avoid all the regulations and compliance even though most of my job can be done with only a screw driver, a known working computer, plus one or two data cables…. So it isn’t just little kids learning the first thing about running their own business they make difficult. Even adults trying to learn for the first time to be entrepreneurs are “enemies” to be shutdown.

        • DaveH

          And the historical experience shows that Bigger Governments lead to Smaller Economies. That shows me that they aren’t doing this for us, as they like to say, but rather for themselves and for their politically connected buddies.
          Vote Libertarian!
          For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Markets (where people can trade their products or services freely with others), and PEACE (with Big Government, one faction is always tormenting the rest):
          http://libertarianparty.org/issues

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The business as usual with the 2 major parties now, is ticking me off and taking its toll on me Dave, and Im getting close to joining you. Real close.

          • DaveH

            Thanks, Beberoni.

        • Old Henry

          Early this year my wife read me an article in the paper about a nearby town that is considering taxing RAIN. They clained it has been done in several cities already. The sad part? To the best of my knowledge there has been NO outrage and a small number have expressed approval.

          • S.C. Murf

            Old Henry, here in Sioux City Ia. we have been taxed for rain water run off thru the sewage rates that we pay. It is determined by the size of your yard or business or parking lot. Just another way of collecting our money so as they can spend it as they see fit. We’ve tried overturning it a couple of times, but seems people don’t mind paying it. Don’t know seems funny to me.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Same here in Indiana. We are taxed for storm sewer run off, which is nothing but the rain water that goes into the sewers. Funny thing is, ours are all funnelled to the 4-1/2 acre pond behind my house, which never fills up, and whether it rains or its a drought, the charges are always the same. And also on the water bill, if you use say, 6000 gallons of water a month, they charge you for treating 12,000 out the other end. Now just how that doubles is a mystery to me, but its a bunch of baloney from government on the local level.

          • Old Henry

            S.C. Murf:

            I was unaware that YARDS had run-off. In my yard the rain soaks into the ground. Physics must operate differently in Sioux City. HA!

            Can’t get it over-turned? Just proves that some people are too stupid to be allowed outside.

          • Old Henry

            Berveroni:

            Sounds like they operate on that old Air Force disease. Drink one. P51.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Its all done by square footage of the property you own, whether your a business that is all concrete and it all runs off, or if you have grass and retention ponds and none if it runs off. The government originally did this to pay for new sewage lines and storm sewers and upgrades to the water treatment plant, but you know how government is, once they get money, you never see it rescinded.

      • BLM

        Too right! The Liberals are only liberal in their plans for themselves. They try to impose what they think the world should be on everyone else but make sure that it does not apply to them. and I remember picking and selling blackberries by the 5 gal bucket to the ladies in town that baked a lot. I remember picking up soda bottles from the ditches along all the roads around where we lived and taking them into the local grocery to redeem them. I remember picking up walnuts every fall and throwing them in the driveway so the vehicles would hull them and we could pick up the clean nuts and sell them bu the bag, to the baking ladies usually. or get our dad to haul them into town to the feed store that had a huller and would buy them by the truck or trailer load. All that is gone now. Big Government doesn’t want our kids learning how to work for a living. They want them to be like those Occupy Wall Street thugs looking for a hand out. That will ensure that Big Government stays in power. Politicians are all alike. Vultures looking to make a living off sticking their noses in somebody else’s business and trying to get some of it for himself. and of course trying to make himself out to be a big fish even if he is in a little pond.

        • Terry

          You are so correct!

        • http://www.lp.org Jerome Bigge

          Politicians are mostly “parasites” on the public. One interesting aspect of this is that the Congress people we vote to represent us tend to have average net worths of about a million dollars. Whereas the average voter has a net worth of a fraction of that. Additionally, a lot of politicians are lawyers. Who pass laws that will be dealt with by other lawyers. “One hand washes the other hand”. Conflict of interest is the legal term for this.

      • wrsrvn67

        Right Dave, and they seem to forget that the Government (both Federal and Local} still work for us, or at least they are supposed to. If we allow it to continue, ” We reap what we sow” I live in the Philippines now and have more freedom here than I can remember in my adult life, but here too freedom is being taken away from the people little by little and they can’t see it. Lawyers are the chief cause of the dishonesty of Government

    • Jibbs

      Your comment shows that you didn’t read the article……..IDIOT

      • Old Henry

        Yeah Jibbs. I had an instant response, but counted to ten and decided to read some of the retorts before posting my “somewhat” expetive deleted reply. I think Bob might have then banned me.

        Today I”M the one feeling a bit grouchy.

        • Jibbs

          I know the feeling all too well, stewing keeps me awake at night and in the morning I turn into Mr. Grumpy.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      No Ron, we are for individual rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. Whether the state or the fed steps on our toes, the bruises are the same.

    • Ken

      What’s the matter with you? You think the states have the right to be tyrannical? Power should be taken away from the federal government and given to the states. Our government is too big and inefficient. But that doesn’t mean that the states should then become our kings. To answer your last part, obama sucks.

    • slapjack

      I’ll gladly jump on board and blame anything on The Kenyan born LOOOOOOSER, Plus you libtard NITWITS that support the very existance of this piece of gutter trash. As for the kids and their Lemonade stands this is the essence of local citizens and their government not paying attention to what’s going on. Wake up AMERICA and smell the stench simmering across this great country. Get involved again and make a difference in your community. We can defeat this assualt on the very core of this great nation. Obummbo isn’t even a citizen of this great nation so why would he have any concern for Americas well being.

      • eddie47d

        I see slapjack is running his flapjack when the article specifically wasn’t about Obama. It really comes down to city councils and the laws that get enacted within local communities. Every city has laws that are head scratchers so that is where the problems have to be solved. The whole point of Girl Scouts is to teach them to be self sufficient and to make a profit in selling cookies.Their product is already deemed safe coming from a manufacturer so there is no health issue like with some vendors. Banning them from selling from their own driveway is inexcusable at best. No different than a garage sale. I would prefer that rather than they go door to door but that is okay too. Going after lemonade stands is petty for any neighbor to complain about and the police have better things to do.

    • http://www.frank1737@msn.com frank1737

      Ron,

      I am a Veteran fough for the freedom in this country for men, women, and children freedom and NOT LET Government Officials Trying To Make A Name For Their Worthless A– Self, take advantage of children and parents in this once great country! If you love a Socialist Agenda, I would recommend you relocate to Russia, Red China, Iran, etc. before someone like myself kicks you wortless psycho ass all the way to one of the fore mentioned countries!!!

      • Lost in Paradise

        Ron believe it or not some of those countries you mention have more freedom than us. You live in a country of Hogs Gone Wild.No joke! It is a real pity to what level we have degenerated to.

        • wrsrvn67

          Point well taken. I am a Vietnam Vet and now I live in the Philippines. I have much more freedom… I also have a friend that I served with in Vietnam and he lives in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), and he says: Bill it’s a damned shame that I had to come to live in a Communist country to get more Freedom than I had in The Land of the Free, and I feel safer walking the streets here than I did when I lived in America” GO FIGURE!!!

      • Handyman

        Thank you Frank! FREEDOM FROM BIG BROTHER.

    • Dr. smith

      ron, your such a dick, or is that dickless, like ball less, spineless. you remind me a whiney girl or is always taunting “nah nah nah naaa”.

      why do you shove your head back up your ars take out the trash like your nagging fat wife told you 20 minutes ago and let the adults have an intelligent conversation.

    • CJM

      Why not Ron. When you think about it, none of this sort of thing happened until the liar-in-chief invaded the Oval Office through fraudulant practices. Yes, I do blame your goober in the WH.

  • s c

    Chip, this is TOO easy. R, I’ll say it for you. OBUMMER IS TO BLAME! Gee, I feel better. Now, to get to my main point.
    Yes, Chip, our slice of the world (America) is crazy. What R doesn’t get (space cadet progressives rarely ‘get it’) is the idea that whenever COMMON SENSE is violated, we are obligated morally to tell someone to #^&* off. Ergo, Washington, #^&* OFF!
    The cases mentioned above may be technically a matter of rights within various states, but the mentality comes from – you guessed it – those elected, anal retentives in Washington. So what’s your next question, R?

    • ron

      Yes SC and you are a Reich Wing Conservative who never gets it.

      • JeffH

        “Reich Wing”…you’re so clever! NOT!

      • Bill

        Ron,
        Why can you not havee an intelligent debate about these issues, instead of imflamatory rhetoric?
        The issue here is the nanny-statism that we are experiencing, and yes, like it or not, it is the result of liberal ‘meddling’ in everyone’s lives. conservatives support ‘live and let live’ policies, which the Founding Fathers promoted. read the constitution, the bill of Rights, and the declaration of Independence. for additional education read the federalist papers, and you will get an education of real ‘conservative’ convictions. Ironically, the Founding fathers were considered ‘liberals’ in their day.

        • dave

          Yes, our founding fathers were “true liberals” — live & let live.

          • Christine

            The liberal name has been corrupted as the progressive so love to do. Changing the meaning of words and makes it difficult to argue points because the words mean different things to different people.

            Today the founders would be considered Libertarians.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear ron,

        I often see left-leaning or progressive commenters use the term “reich wing” as an otiose effort to demean or slur conservatives. I suppose it is an attempt to equate conservatives with the Third Reich of Adolf Hitler.

        The Third Reich was the Nazi state that rose up in 1920 and swept the Weimar Republic from power and suspended parliamentary democracy in 1933. Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. The Nazi party suspended constitutional rights, tried to control the churches, was anti-capitalist, anti-big business, anti-Semitic , anti-democratic, anti-big union and anti-Marxist. Hitler, of course, was the party’s last leader.

        I realize that those, like you, who are handicapped by their government-sponsored indoctrination that is called education in today’s America have been propagandized to believe the Nazi party was a right wing party. However, aside from being anti-Marxist and anti-big union, there is nothing about the national socialist worker party that any conservative I’ve ever heard of would agree with.

        Using the term reich wing may come off as cute on some progressive site populated by mindless left-wing zombies. Here it comes off as juvenile and simply demonstrates a profound ignorance. Tactics like yours belong in the sandbox. I suggest you go back there and play for the rest of the day.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • ramjet2

          One thing to think about with this rediculous attack on the young enterpreneurs. Some of the city ordinances do have merit. The recent attack in California on residents for having Bible studies in their homes. Parking is always an issue and regular crowds on a residential street is irritating to the neighbors.
          This issue too has some protection qualities in that if the young person was selling hot dogs or egg salad no one would be upset that the local health department was monitoring. The issue to me is the state should use some COMMON SENSE. BACK OFF and let the parents monitor what the kids are doing. But then again, some parents don’t have the brains that God gave them.

          • DaveH

            Are you saying that the customers are too ignorant to assess the risks themselves, and then make their own choices?

          • Jibbs

            I’ve seen more cars at a family holiday gathering than a bible study. So are you telling us that we can’t have family gatherings due to all the cars parked in the street?
            I’m thankful that you don’t live near me.

          • Old Henry

            Yes DaveH, he is. He is yet another one who has falledn into the govt. must watch over us tar pit. And he does not even realize it.

          • Old Henry

            Jibbs, I’m sure that will soon be on the radar – especially if it’s Christmas.

            Remember, family values – baaaaad. Govt values – gooooood.

        • James

          I agree. Conservative, in America, refers to those who believe the federal government is limited to the powers enumerated in Article, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Liberal, refers to those who think the Constitution should be more flexible to meet the needs of the moment. That is also, respectively, the basic definitions of the Republican and Democratic parties.
          But, kids selling lemonade without a license, off with their heads!

          • DaveH

            Sorry, James, I disagree that Republicans embody Conservatism. The Drugs Wars, for instance, are definitely not a Power enumerated in the Constitution. And there are many other examples of Government abuse of the Constitution such as the victimless crimes (vice crimes), that the establishment Republicans fully embrace.
            And I know, they “say” that such things are covered under the “welfare clause” or the Power to regulate Interstate Commerce, but I know (and probably you do too) that such excuses are invalid because there would be no restriction on Federal Power at all if such interpretations were valid.

          • Old Henry

            DaveH::

            “that such excuses are invalid because there would be no restriction on Federal Power at all if such interpretations were valid.”

            Dunno Dave. In the last few years I hve coume under the impression that the Fed Govt has no restraints – or so they percive.

          • http://charter howe

            There has to come a time when the public welfare is the over riding issue when creating a regulations within the realm of the CZARS in particular the EPA and Energy Czars. If there is over regulation or in the case of lemoneade type regulation its too expensive and too rediculous because the educated idiot CZARS do not employ common sense and balance that would be reasonable, balanced and financially sustainable and thats why we are in deep Kempshe. There have been almost 4000 new regulations entered into the federal register in the past year and thousands since Obama took office. It has reached the point where thousands of jobs have been lost and millions more can’t be created because business people will not risk their money to keep or create jobs. These CZARS are not accountable to Congress and they are a bunch of rank amatuers who are working for a POTUS that knows nothing about running a business. The ideology and the lack of business experience is killing private sector jobs and the free market system and the pathetic part is they ain’t got a clue. The POTUS and the Biden keep talking about jobs they created, but what they are talking about are govt jobs which all require more tax to pay for since govt jobs do not create wealth. Please vote Nov 2012.

          • James

            DaveH, It ‘was’ the definition of Republicans. I admit, many Republicans are liberals, but not to the extent of Democrats. I’ll be more specific in the future.

        • F86

          And yet the RIGHT wing continues to use “The Big Lie” to indoctrinate
          conservatives and try to belittle liberals. Actually though I find most conservatives to be more like Tories than Nazis. I have no doubt that they would have sided with George the third rather than George the Washington.

          • Jibbs

            How much doe’s barry pay you to come on here and whine?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jibbs_ they’re apparently not paying him enough to live on, he’s still here!

          • JeffH

            F86, what have you ever said here that has had even the slightest bit of substance to it? answer: NOTHING!

            Back it up if you can, otherwise just continue on with your unsubstantiated drivel! Have you even finished high school yet?

          • Bob

            F86, like most liberals, you have it backwards. By definition, Conservative = LIMITED government. Therefore, the founding fathers were conservatives. Liberal means big government. The liberals would have been for King George.

            Among the liberal forces, we find: progressives, liberals, communists and fascists. Among the conservatives are: conservatives and libertarians.

            I am surprised at the hatred the liberals have for W. He was a big liberal, not a conservative. With the massive spending he enacted, he proved his liberal stance. He betrayed conservatives.

          • eddie47d

            F86 did open a can of worms Bob but that doesn’t mean you have to go off the cliff with him. Fascists belong in the Conservative category right along with Rino’s whether you want to claim rinos or not. No different than your claim that Liberals are communists which isn’t true but sounds so good from your perspective doesn’t it. Even the Moral Majority weren’t always moral so we can all play gotcha in labeling others.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The liberals belittle themselves with their anti-American, pro George Soros type of rhetoric. They dont need anyone to point the finger at them and make accusations at them, they promote their idiocrasy very well just by being who they are. They used to try to hide it, but Obama has brought it out into the open and exposed them for who they really are. That is exactly why over 60 of his henchman lost their jobs in 2010, and why a whole lot more are going to lose theirs in 2012. I guess we owe him a thank you in the long run, but weve still got a long run to get him out before he does much more damage.

          • F86

            You guys do more to back up what I say about you than I ever could. I just can’t think the way you do. I believe in America, and the Americans that reside here. To Lost in paradise: What do you think, I’m in my ninties. My Father flew F86s ( props before that). I was pararescue. I’m now retired, after 40 years in business. I know a lot about America because I lived it, not sat back and bitched about it. Now that I’m an old man, I’m more than happy to share what I’ve learned with you. The main thing you need to remember is that our greatest asset as a nation is our people, and that none should be left behind. Many people risked and lost their lives proving the value of that axiom, and I will not sit by and have you, any of you, step on that uniquely American quality.

          • JeffH

            F86, I think we all owe you an apology. It’s not nice to chastise someone like youself that suffers from accute dementia. I surely hope it wasn’t drug abuse that caused it.

          • http://charter howe

            A commie idiot or union thug always tips their hand by never being factual or specific, but they are always quick to denigrate or play smash and bash for a cause they can’t defend. Your comment identifies a party and as everyone knows each party has their share of losers thats why our country is in a mess, but the bigger problem is the devisive thugs like you that rather slander good people regardless of their political beliefs than to engage in what will move our country forward. I spent 29 years in the military and I hope you never worked for me or I would consider myself a failure for not helping you get your head screwed on straight if that was possible.

          • http://charter howe

            I am against people who poison the well by casting slander at other people without giving a single concrete fact. I spent 29 years in the military and I find it stunning that F86 does not support the U.S. Constitution and the laws of the land after swearing to uphold same as an active duty member. Being hypocritical is not uncommon for people in either party but my big rub is the 70 self avowed socialist democrats in the House of Representatives and that is a matter of record. There are also a bunch more in the Senate and the Potus and the administration in the Whitehouse are going down the same road with their policies. When you take over car companies and the healthcare system etc and govt rules over 60% of the American resources that is socialism and that my friend is a definite path to marxism. The free market failure should be your focus if you care about your country and get these commie fools to expose themselves.

          • F86

            In reply to Howe, I would not have worked for you unless you were shot down and in considerable distress, then they may have dropped me somewhere within a few miles of to go in and bring you alive. But you sound like some NCO lifer that shined a chair with his butt. I am however sure you never worked for me. I would have fired you for not pulling your head out of your butt.

          • F86

            And oh while we are talking about facts Howe where is your substantiation that congress has communists serving. My oath to the Constitution stands as rendered and if you were standing in front of me right now I would drive it down your throat so hard your first ancestor would feel it.

          • F86

            The “Big Lie” of Conservatives ( to name a few)
            Nixon – “I am not a crook”
            Reagan “They are freedom fighters”
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2O0qAtKrYk
            Bush “… mushroom cloud.”

            I backup everything I say. And I counterpunch insulting comments. Truth hurts don’t it.

          • JeffH

            F86 says “Howe where is your substantiation that congress has communists serving”

            In Washington D.C. there is powerful and popular lobby called the Congressional Progressive Caucus which, at one time, openly espoused the principles of socialism and publicly signed onto the agenda of the Democratic Socialists of America.

            Democratic Leadership:

            Nancy Pelosi
            Democratic Leader

            Steny Hoyer
            Office of the Democratic Whip

            John B. Larson
            Democratic Caucus Chair

            http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=71&sectiontree=2,71

            Senate Member

            Bernie Sanders

            House Members

            Karen Bass

            Xavier Becerra

            Earl Blumenauer

            Robert Brady

            Corrine Brown

            Michael Capuano

            Andre Carson

            Donna Christensen

            Yvette Clarke

            Emanuel Cleaver

            David Cicilline

            Steve Cohen

            John Conyers

            Elijah Cummings

            Danny Davis

            Peter DeFazio

            Rosa DeLauro

            Donna Edwards

            Sam Farr

            Chaka Fattah

            Bob Filner

            Barney Frank

            Marcia Fudge

            Luis Gutierrez

            Janice Hahn

            Maurice Hinchey

            Mazie Hirono

            Michael Honda

            Jesse Jackson, Jr.

            Eddie Bernice Johnson

            Marcy Kaptur

            Dennis Kucinich

            Barbara Lee

            John Lewis

            David Loebsack

            Ben Ray Lujan

            Carolyn Maloney

            Ed Markey

            Jim McDermott

            James McGovern

            George Miller

            Gwen Moore

            Jim Moran

            Jerrold Nadler

            Eleanor Holmes Norton

            John Olver

            Frank Pallone

            Ed Pastor

            Donald Payne

            Jared Polis

            Charles Rangel

            Laura Richardson

            Lucille Roybal-Allard

            Bobby Rush

            Linda Sanchez

            Jan Schakowsky

            Jose Serrano

            Louise Slaughter

            Pete Stark

            Bennie Thompson

            John Tierney

            Nydia Velazquez

            Maxine Waters

            Mel Watt

            Peter Welch

            Frederica Wilson

            Lynn Woolsey

          • Jibbs

            How Many Members Of The U.S. Congress
            Are Self-Declared Socialists?

            Updated for the 111th Congress

            The following FAQ will help clarify a few facts:

            Q: What is the Socialist International?

            A: It is the worldwide organization of socialist, social democratic and labor parties. It currently brings together 131 political parties and organizations from all continents. Its origins go back to the early international organizations of the labor movement of the last century.* It has existed in its present form since 1951, when it was re-established at the Frankfurt Congress. They are now headquartered in London, England.

            * In 1864, representatives of English and French industrial workers founded the International Workingmen’s Association in London. Karl Marx, who was living in London at the time, became the First International’s dominant figure. Marx’s doctrines were revived in the 20th century by Russian revolutionary Vladimir Ilich Lenin, who developed and applied them – and we all know that what was started as a labor movement ended up as the biggest totalitarian/communist state, i.e., the USSR.

            Q: What is the Democratic Socialists of America [DSA]?

            A: It is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. Their website is http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

            Q: What are seven principles behind what the DSA’s calls it’s “Progressive Challenge?”

            Dignified Work
            Environmental Justice
            Economic Redistribution
            Democratic Participation
            Community Empowerment
            Global Non-Violence
            Social Justice.

            Never mind their soothing-sounding leftist doublespeak like ‘Environmental Justice’ (whatever that is supposed to mean) or the soft & fuzzy ‘Global Non-Violence’ (a euphemism for unilateral disarmament) — the DSA’s self-declared principle of ‘Economic Redistribution’ clearly shows where these folks are coming from and exactly where they plan to take America.

            Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?

            A: Seventy!

            Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?

            A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez, Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].

            Q: Who are these members of Congress?

            A: See the listing below

            Co-Chairs
            Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
            Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

            Vice Chairs
            Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
            Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
            Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
            Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

            Senate Members
            Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

            House Members
            Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
            Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
            Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
            Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
            Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
            Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
            Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
            Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
            Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
            Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
            Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
            Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
            Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
            Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
            Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
            Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
            Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
            Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
            Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
            Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
            Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
            Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
            Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
            Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
            Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
            Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
            Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
            Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
            Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
            Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
            Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
            Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
            Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
            Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
            Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
            Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
            Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
            Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
            Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
            Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
            Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
            Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
            Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
            Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
            Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
            Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
            Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
            Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
            Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
            Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
            Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
            Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
            Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
            Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
            Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
            Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
            Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
            Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
            Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
            Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
            Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
            Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
            Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
            Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
            Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
            Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
            Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
            Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
            Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

          • eddie47d

            So what Jibbs. Every single nation has some form of socialism in it including the USA. Wasn’t it yesterday that you said there were 70 communists in Congress. Which isn’t true so stop selling your sour lemonade.

          • OB1

            Old Henry, you are a gift to humanity. Enough said.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Way to go Bob Livingston!!! :)

        • F86

          The only limitations on conservative government is their understanding of the U.S.Constitution. You can twist it any way you like when you think it only protects you, but the fact is it protects us all, if we all stand up for it. I have long ago fullfilled my duty to my country, but the oath I took has no time limit at all.

        • F86

          Bush is a conservative. And he wasn’t alone. The money he and his rubber stamp congress burned through put this nation in the tank. Conservatives. Want their cake after they eat yours.

          • JeffH

            Bush is a conservative? Right, and Obama is a moderate Democrat by that line of thought. Dementia?

        • Jadaxx

          Hi Bob,
          You stated in Bob Livingston says:
          October 14, 2011 at 7:48 am

          “… as an otiose effort to demean or slur conservatives.”

          Then in the same reply you stated:

          “…some progressive site populated by mindless left-wing zombies.”

          I thought you would be above the name-calling, apparently, I was wrong.

          In your Comment Policy it is stated: “Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling.”

          Now I see why this forum full of uncivil comments by both liberals and conservatives. The example starts at the top. I am truly disappointed.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Now you’re just being stupid…you must be from the leftist, statists who want to control every friggin movement…including bowel.

        • F86

          I’ll never understand how people equate a love of liberty, liberal, with conservatism, which shows up as being against the freedoms our Constitution spells out at every turn.

          • Lost in Paradise

            You must have pulled too many G’s in your F-86,with a failed G suit, and when the blood rushed from your brain it caused permanent and serious damage. LMAO Tell me about all the liberties we are and will give up do to the liberal mess in this country? Tell me that re-distributing wealth is not communist BS.Tell me that spending money like its going out of style, is not insane, and by the constitution.

          • DaveH

            Are you referring to Classical Liberals, F86? Because the group commonly referred to these days as Liberals are anything BUT Freedom Lovers. The Conservative label has also been co-opted, by Big Government Loving Control Freaks.
            When I refer to Liberal, I’m talking about those who believe Big Government is the Solution. And when I refer to Conservatives, I’m talking about those who believe Big Government is the Problem.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, don’t confuse the poor child any more than he/she already is.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You couldnt be more wrong. As a conservative, I love and embrace life, God, family and country. Those things are far from the liberal think tank. Far from them.

          • Old Henry

            While munching on a roast BEEF sandwich and mulling over these runty liberals a Brad Paisly song came to mind. In it he sings about a runty kid and his alter ego on “My Space”.

            It starts out with “I work down at the Pizza Pit, I drive an old Hyundai. I still live with my mom and dad, I’m five foot three and over weight. It then goes on about getting home and mom fixes him a snack. He then goes down to his basement bedroom and fires up his MAC. The kid then unleashes his alter ego to females on the site. All make believe. Much like liberals.

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, did anyone ever tell you that you got a great sense of humor? If not…you do!

          • Old Henry

            Thanks Jeff. I guess I hve my moments. My kids used to just roll their eyes and shake their heads. My daughter used to ask me to please not embarass her when her date showed up. HA!

          • Jibbs

            Old Henry,
            you can come over anytime and drink beer and listen to country music!

          • JeffH

            Jibbs, I’ll bring some MGD if we can listen to some Bob Wills, Hank Snow or Williams, Willie, maybe Hank Sr. or Merle and even my favorite Buck Owens…anything pre-80 works for me but I really like the old stuff.

          • DaveH

            I was just listening to a Roy Orbison song yesterday. He’s one of my favorites.

          • independant thinker

            I listen tpo traditional Bluegrass almost exclusively these days.

      • http://www.frank1737@msn.com frank1737

        Hey Psycho Ron,
        You are a worless Liberal and why don’t you post your full name, address, and phone number so I or others can give you an attitude adjustment!!!

        • eddie47d

          I can’t keep up with all the psychos calling psychos …psychos. LOL

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            There is one hiding in your bathroom right now eddie. Go on, go in there and look. Garner yourself a peek, right above your sink in the bathroom, and you will see one of them.

          • Old Henry

            Beberoni!

            That’s great! I damned near had coffee comin outta my nose! Thank you for helping to ease my very grouchy mood!

          • eddie47d

            You forgot to clean off that bugger that flew out.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Nope, he saw the bugger that shot out. Named him eddie.

    • F86

      If you look at the states involved it is of course predominately states with conservative leadership as usual. In an effort to control this nation the right wing would have gestopo goons rounding up “undesireables” 24/7 if they could. For you guys the U.S. Constitution is something you use when you run out of Charmin, unless you try to justify some of your illegal actions by quoting a provision from that document that rarely applies.

    • eddie47d

      I knew SC would bring up Obama’s name. She always has and always will even when there is no involvement from him. If SC’s hairstylist doesn’t do a good job she will always have Obama to blame like everything else.

    • Old Henry

      s c:

      LOL! You’re onna role today! I think you have a couple of tee shirts int there.

  • John Myers

    Another great column Chip.

    You have an incredible talent for making things easy to understand and for highlighting what is wrong with goverment. After reading columns like this one I realize why I always go to your writings when they are first posted.

    Best,

    John Myers

  • DaveH

    $100 sneakers? The only people I know who can afford to spend that much on sneakers are the Government employees.

    • DaveH

      Speaking of money matters, this is a plainly written explanation of Government and Money that everybody should read:
      http://mises.org/daily/5749/Why-the-State-Demands-Control-of-Money

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I move north to another county 3 years ago, and Im glad I did. You see, exactly what you just mentioned, keeps happening there. The mayor, despite the county I used to live in having one of the highest tax rates in the state, and deep in debt I might add, just decided to give all the state workers a 4% raise. Isnt that just sweet. People are moving out of that county at a record rate, and they keep annexing out lying areas to garner in more tax money. Problem is, then they have to hook up sewer lines and run water lines and everything to these areas, and its a loosing proposition. The wonder of the government reaching for more tax dollars.

      • Old Henry

        And the dumb asses keep electing them? Sounds like America and Congress.

      • Jibbs

        Sounds like you went to Lake or McHenry county.

        • wrsrvn67

          LOL Right you are Jibbs. I grew up in Fox Lake and I know what you are talking about!!!

    • Old Henry

      Holy Cow DaveH! 4:17 AM?! I think my sleeping pill was finally kicking in abut then…

      • DaveH

        Lol. I awakened stewing about an inheritance situation where my very dishonest brother (executor) is trying every which way to screw me. Being an honest person, it takes every ounce of my brainpower to thwart everything that the liar tries.
        So I figured I might as well get on Personal Liberty for a while and count Liberals.

        • Old Henry

          Sounds messy Dave. My sisters and I went thru something similar with our dad’s widow years ago when our dad passed away. Ultimately it came real close to loosing the family farms.

          Well, as Adam Clayton Powell would say: Keep the baby Faith. (I know you’re old enough to remember that scandal)

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          There arent as many liberals in here to count, but if you count the stupid things they say, then you will have enough counting to do to get the job done.

  • the survivor

    the government declared war on drugs back in the 70s, we all know how that worked out, now there’s a war being fought on the southern border because drugs got out of hand.

    • chipshot

      The battle on the southern border goes far deeper than the “war” on drugs. The “war” on drugs is just another example of the incompetence in the district of corruption. But the open border policy supported by both dems and repubs has to do mostly with low labor cost, special interest groups, globalist progressive politics, and the plan to destroy the US.

    • James

      Back in the 50s, they declared war on vitamins and natural food supplements.

      • Wu Ming Ren

        You are aware, are you not, that the war against vitamins and natural food supplements has been reignited?

        • James

          Yes, I’m aware of that, the medical profession can’t stand the competition.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And what have to to show for this war on drugs? They cost more and the dealers make more money. Thats about it. They are still everywhere, even more so, and still, our wonderful government spends billions fighting it. Question is, who pockets is all those billions going in?

  • Brian

    Wow, Chip! Reading your early business efforts sounded just like mine! Lemonade stand (apples too!), collecting glass bottles, and finally a real job delivering newspapers!

    You just don’t see that anymore. Our newspaper is delivered by an adult driving a car, and I have only seen one lemonade stand in our neighborhood in the last 10 years, and that for charity! No wonder our kids expect everything handed to them, cuz that is what we have been doing!

    • Bill

      yes,
      Parents today of our generation who grew up in the 50′s and 60′s think they should give ervything to their children that they didn’t have. Now look at what we have; a generation of whining entitlement hippies who think they should occupy wall street and claim they be given what others have worked hard for.

      We blame the lefties, but we are really the ones at fault, because we bought into the Marxist lie that our children should be ‘given’ everything.
      Don’t know if we can turn it around. I am blessed because I have 3 children who grew up believing that they get what they ‘earn’, not what they are ‘entitled’ to. This isn’t because I am such a virtuous parent, but because we didn’t have the money to ‘give’ them everything they ‘wanted’. We did restrict what they even ‘earned’, believing that they were better off w/out all the electronic mind numbing games and TV shows that were available.

  • Howard

    The reason that Barney Fife was so funny in the “Andy Griffith” episodes was that everyone who saw the show could relate to someone they knew. I believe that there is a Barney Fife in every community. Some people just enjoy lording it over others and will build quite a fiefdom in their local government to support their joy of enforcing the rules. Remember the kid in class who was always happiest to tell the teacher of anyone who misbehaved?
    They grow up and love badges, titles and the power to make your life miserable over the smallest details. Each new law passed just gives them more to puff up their chest about. What we are losing in this country is the corresponding Andy Griffith that brings our Barney back to reality and common sense.
    My grandfather used to tell me that common sense was the least common of all the senses. I think he was right!
    It is a problem, but I agree that as long as you can keep it at the local level the damage can usually be contained. But this new plethora of laws, rules and regulations at the Federal level is truly frightening. We are allowing our new Barney Fifes to rule over millions at a time! Nothing good can come of this.

    • Jeryl

      Sadly, some local Hitler’s are being emboldened by the ridiculous action of the Fed and are trying to assert their own brand of rule. I honestly believe that Congress and the President feel it’s their God-given mission to make the most ridicuous rules possible. In truth, however, when the character of a people becomes as poor as ours has become as a nation over the past several decades, government steps in to “protect us from ourselves.” I’m 67 years old and I do not recognize my nation anymore.

      • Lewis Munn

        What do we call it when we build superhighways with public tax dollars, and then the government sells them to foreign countries to run and make money off of! And keeps our tax money! I call it theft!

        Around Chicago, most of the tollway signs are now in German!

        • Jibbs

          BTW, what did King Richard do with the money when he sold the Skyway several years ago?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Paid off the mobs and the unions to keep voting for them.

        • OB1

          In Texas, they were built by a company from SPAIN! Thanks Rick Perry!

      • DaveH

        I’m a little more cynical than you, Jeryl. I believe that most politicians know damn well that they can’t protect us, and offer such only as a way to buy votes from ignorant people. In other words, they are in it for themselves, and could care less about the average citizen. If they did care, they would know that Big Governments lead to Weak Economies, as that experience has been proved over and over again:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

    • http://NHcleanEnergy.net william fortune

      Howard, I like your comment; well said. When combined with the Feminist movement that replaced the father with the government, and the gov. abbility to print money, we are not going to turn this around easily.
      It seem to me that the only way the “Rons” of the world will learn and change is thourgh experience with reality. They may protest, but when the money is not free they will soon get a taste of reality or cease to exist.
      Bill Fortune, NH founder of Fathers United for Equal Justice.

      • Lewis Munn

        It would be nice if all public employees were required to daily face the flag and repeat the pledge of allegiance, as written, and were held accountable to that pledge! And were were required to follow it or be relieved of their positions!

        Including high government officials also!

        • DaveH

          Our country was founded on Individual Freedom.
          The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist. That should tell you something.

      • DaveH

        All people (male or female) should have the same rights. However, I believe the feminist movement was primarily a Liberal ruse to convince women that they were down-trodden if they stayed at home, so the Big Government types could get more workers to pillage. I read an article somewhere which developed that concept very well. I will try to find it.

        • DaveH

          Here is one that deals somewhat with the subject:
          http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=9

        • libertytrain

          I agree with the theory and have often wondered about that myself.

        • Song

          the feminist movement was d**n failure and an embarrassment in my opinion, and has led to far more problems then they ever hoped to address.

    • JeffH

      Barney Fife, what a clutz…reminds me of one particular regular here at PLD… :)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But everyone knows Otis was the smartest guy in town. He never worried about anything, and didnt need anyone to take care of him. Just leave the cell door open, and he would let himself in.

        • JeffH

          Too bad Andy turned out to be a liberal…I was really dissappointed.

  • Dagger

    Chip, the state already has a war against kids (and parents) in the form of vaccinations using vaccines that are nothing more than poisons. What we are seeing now are kids with all kinds of deformaties and developmetal disabilities. Parents either allow their babies to be vaccinated or the will end up in jail and their kids will be put in foster homes. A child’s immune system does not fully develop until around age two, however, the all knowing, all powerful Gestapo government requires vaccination right after birth. Our government is resembling more and more the German Gestapo government prior to and during World War II. No one in America has any rights left. The state rules supreme.

    • Lewis Munn

      I agree. Also in the government handling of finances, printing money with no backup.

      Unfortunately, our citizens are no longer educated in what happened to Germany from doing this!

      IF they are going to keep on, I hope they get real soon to where my SS check converts to enough bales of paper money to burn in my stove and keep warm!!

  • Karolyn

    When these things occur, do the citizens go to their town council or county council meetings to protest? It is up to the citizens to change ridiculous overbearing laws and ordinances. If I heard of anything like this happening where I live (which would probably never happen because I live in rural SC), I would be at the county or town council meeting. A principal of a local middle school was under fire for having a Christian music group come to his school; and the crowd that showed up at the Board of Education meeting to support him was huge.

    • Jon

      I agree 100%, as long as we sit on out tails and say nothing, it will only get worse. Not only should we attend council meetings, but email our representatives and senators at all levels, it only takes a couple of minutes. Like I read a couple of days ago about olive Garden restaurant not allowing an 80 year old woman at a meeting show an American flag at the meeting. I email Olive Garden restaurants and told them I will not set foot into another Olive Garden or Pizza hut restaurant again. If they want to play the political correct game, fine, but they will do it without my money. We have to speak out, if we do not, it will only get worse.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree, we need to stand on priciples and put our money where are mouths are. When all these actors in left wing hollywood came out with their attacks, I simply put my money where my mouth is. I would watch their movies because they were actors, not politicians. Once they decided that since they were famous, that I should have to listen to their political rants, I made the decision that I would no longer spend a dime going to the theatre to watch their movies, or to rent any DVD’s of their movies. And I dont, whether it was supposed to be a good movie or not.

    • TML

      I agree with Karolyn completely… very reasonable response to the problem on the local level.

    • DaveH

      Yes, we should be politically active, but it goes far beyond that. The mindset is becoming more and more prevalent that busybodies should be allowed to micromanage the lives of who they deem to be “ignorant people who can’t take care of themselves”. All the townhall meetings in the world aren’t going to result in more Freedom until most of us come to the correct conclusion that other peoples’ choices for their own bodies and property are None of Our Business!
      It doesn’t matter to me if One or a Hundred people think they know which personal choices I should make — IT’S NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

      • Karolyn

        I do agree, Dave.

  • “JAVOPE”

    When I was young I grew up in Utah. My younger brother and I use to catch night crawler worms at night and sell them to the truckers who would be going through to Yellow Stone Park area. We would sell 100 dozen worms for 10 cents a dozen. The truckers would take them to the park area and sell them for 1 dollar a dozen. We had no Idea in 1958 that such money could be made. We thought 10 dollars for a nights work was a big deal. For a city to hold such petty laws in force for young kids is really showing what kind of petty people are occupying the lazy mans position in government.

    • Lewis Munn

      Somebody elected them.

  • http://mmfbsa@centurylink.net twix

    I am appalled at all the things we can’t do now. The whole
    basis of our country is to be incentive wether it is a child
    selling lemonade, cookies or whatever. If those fun things
    are gone, what a lousy childhood we are giving to our kids.
    This gone today, what will be gone tomorrow and the next day.
    This is way off limits. More control, less America and what she
    stands for.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Whats next? Are they going to now go back in time, and tell me I owe a bunch of tax dollars for all the money I made as a kid shoveling snow, raking leaves and mowing lawns? Its ridiculous. I thought it was nuts when they started making babysitters pay taxes, and 15 percent social security. They are so desperate for these tax dollars it seems, yet they will let doctors go out for a business lunch, drink two 800.00 dollars a bottle wine, along with a 200.00 dinner, then they let them write it off on their taxes!!!! What the heck are they thinking? Its stinking nuts. Ive personally seen these bills before, and its astounding. Its highway robbery is what it is.

  • Jon

    Ron is the typical liberal know nothing, these liberals are the true Nazis, just look at the mess the UK is in since the liberal Labour party took over. Parents no longer have the right to decide what is best for their children in the UK, a building was burning down, police just stood by and watched because rules for them did not allow them to rescue the people. The police would not let neighbors get a ladder so the people could try and escape the fire, what happened, people died in a fire without any rescue attempt being made. Somebody breaks into your home, you chase them out with a golf club, guess who gets arrested, the home owner protecting their property. Go on vacation, return and find somebody has moved into your home and changed the locks. Police can do nothing, they say it is against the law to kick out a refugee on the street, yet it is OK to kick out a native English person out of their home and out on the street.

    And America is getting just as bad because of liberal know nothing hypocrites like Ron who are too lazy to find out just what the facts are. Just like children, all they know how to do is call people names. Just look at those brainwashed clowns occupying Wall Street. They have no pride in themselves, if they did they would put their trash in trash cans instead of leaving it on the streets. This is because we now have all these dope using hippies from the 60′s as professors in US collages now. Instead of teaching students how to make a honest living and giving them skills, you just get their brainwashing. Those Wall Street occupiers want to get violent, I say Bring It, because you and those like you will always the the minority.

    • F86

      Who you nazi, you stinkin’ nazi.

      • Jibbs

        You sure like name calling. Why don’t you go play in traffic.

        • Lewis Munn

          Or go down to the local police station and call all the cops that!

          • F86

            The namecalling was in the post above mine. But I’m big enough to back up what I say, cops or anyone if their acting that way. Most certainly I can stand up to pipsqueaks like you.

      • JeffH

        :( Dementia?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Dont blame it on dope smoking. That isnt what did it to them. It is their left wing liberal “everything is ok as long as you dont hurt anyone” mentality that as led them askew. They dont stand for anything, so they just go which ever way the wind blows, at the moment. They are only for something, if it seems popular right now. But if its not popular in twenty minutes from now, then they were never for it. Its kind of like that.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Well Said Chip!__Well H*ll yes the dictators in Washington and the do-gooder suck ups, in our Local Communities are going to stop capitalism at its earliest form! Kids Selling Lemonade, at a homemade stand is “The Earliest Capitalism” there is, and about American as Apple Pie!

    SARCASISM ALERT!__The bureaucrats have to save us from ourselves and stop us from indoctrinating “OUR KIDS” into the greedy world of working for a living, buying a car, then a home, and in general being responsible for ourselves. The New Leadership is “MO BETTER”, as The schools teach revised history, lies, conformity, mediocrity and that Government knows what’s better for you, than you do!
    This is bureaucracy gone wild. Most of local communities are not as bad yet, unless you get a Local politician working his way up the ladder and wanting to make a name for themselves and it trickles down to the police dept from there (We had one but he’s gone, thankfully). In which case the name would be spelled “A-Z-Z”!

    • Jeryl

      Well said to you, too, Angel.

    • JeffH

      :) Hear Hear!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Pretty soon they will just send a government van out, with a money printing press in it, see these kids selling lemonade, take their lemonade stand away, and give them a bunch of money, and tell them they dont need to sell an honest cup of lemonade for an honest price, the government will take care of you. Here, take this money, then drive away. That seems to be the lesson they have taught many a person in todays society, that they dont need to work or be responsible or take care of themselves, that the government will do it for you. And people accept that. How far we have sank.

  • Thomas B

    Once we get obamma out of there we bring back the nazi and commie witch hunts and re-institute the old fashioned firing squad.

    • Jibbs

      Why not an old fashioned neck stretching party? Bullets cost money and the dispencers must be cleaned, while hemp rope is very strong and re-useable many times over.

      • Al Sieber

        Yes I agree, it’s time to shoot these dogs for peeing on the tree of liberty.

    • eddie47d

      I’m never amazed anymore how some of you like to drag Obama into an issue and claim superiority. I know that Thomas didn’t see Bob L’s reply above about nazi’s but apparently he didn’t read the main article either.

      • F86

        Bob L. thinks that commies AND facists are liberal. What a naive individual. Eye of the needle Bob, can you make it through?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I think eddie, its because we are talking failure here, with the failure to have the right thing done, which is to leave these kids alone. And when most anyone these days thinks of failure, those of us who see reality in a clear picture, we hear failure, and we see Obama and the democrats light up right in front of us. Failure and Obama are synonimous of each other.

  • Big Daddy

    this is teh direct result of allowing petty bureaucrats to continue to attempt to rule our lives.
    Wake up people and run these people out of town along with their rediculous exuses for legislation and ordinances.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      AAAAAAAmen! Vote them out; all of ‘em in 2012!

      • Angel Wannabe

        D, Voting them out is all well and good, problem is we vote other folks in there(tEA pARTY) and nothing changes. I think its time we the American people open up our eyes and see, it not who we nominate,to go to Washington to represent, it’s WHO THAT COUNTS THE VOTES decides the WIN! We haven’t had a voice in a very long time, the elites let us think we do!

        • Jibbs
          • Angel Wannabe

            I saved it Jibbs, will read it in a bit!__Looks as if they have the right idea!

          • eddie47d

            You should have left your thread on the first page which emphasises the safety and happiness of all Americans and correctly does so. Then it turns into a diatribe against Democrats and goes down hill from there. More conquer and divide drivel from someone trying to push their personal agenda.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Its got to be a diatribe against the democrats eddie. They are dangerous and are killing us. The republicans unfortunately seemingly have lost their way and have gotten themselves caught up in the “reaching across the aisle” thing and are failing these days also. They have lost their conservative roots, and they are endangering themselves just as the democrats have. If they dont get back to being the conservatives they are supposed to, I will dump them like a bad habit as I did the democrats when Reagan came around, and have watched the dems slowly but surely, year after year, climb the rungs of hell lower and lower, to where they have become so far gone, its pathetic. JFK is rolling over in his grave seeing what has happened to his party. No doubt about it.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Beberoni, If JFK were alive today, he’d be considered a Conservative!_

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are absolutely correct Angel.

        • Wu Ming Ren

          Don’t give up on the Tea Party so quickly. Politics is a process, not an event. We put a lot of good conservatives into office in 2010, but not enough to override an Obama veto and not enough to change control of the Senate. Hang in there. We need you to stay focused on not only 2012, but every election from here on out. No more complacency or faintheartedness, but constant vigilance and persistent effort to put good conservatives into office, into control, and keep them there. Stick with the process and don’t expect a single election to right all forever more. We’ve got work to do. We’ve got work to keep doing. Be of good cheer, because we will further the process in 2012.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Wu Ming Ren, No ones giving up!__The point is people have to see whats happened and be realistic about it.

            _First of all, we have to get 2012 “without” the elections being canceled, b/c if they are, no ones going to vote ANYONE IN OR OUT!
            BAM BAM Legislates, more and more by executive order, by passing the Congress and no one can stop him!

          • DaveH

            Unfortunately, half of the Tea Party candidates just sold out when they had a chance to actually do something (stop the debt-ceiling hike). It’s going to take more than just having them state that they are Tea Party candidates. We need to scrutinize their voting records and/or “issues” statements carefully to determine if they really are Small Government advocates or just giving it Lip Service.
            For a list of those who sold out to the Debt Ceiling Increase:
            http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll690.xml

            Don’t let the Bill title “To make a technical amendment to the Education Sciences Reform Act of 2002″ throw you. This is the bill that contained the Debt Ceiling Increase.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The shame is, the Republicans lost their best candidate for President when Mitch Daniels decided not to run, because he said he didnt want to leave Indiana. And I also think, being a family oriented man, he didnt care to have the left wing liberals constantly attack him and his family as we all witnessed the all out assault on Sarah Palin. It is a shame our politics in this country has reduced itself to that. Shame on all you lawyer politicians whose main recourse to get yourself elected, is to make the other guy look bad. What the hell ever happened to being able to show what you can do, instead of attacking the other person to make one seek you out. What a dirty lousy shame. Lawyers. You cant kill em, and you cant eat em.

          • Angel Wannabe

            DaveH, Frankly I think we are past the point of voting said nominees in or out Dave. Look_I sure as h*ll don’t wanna see a major collapse in the likes of 29, but lets face facts here 400,000 new unemployment claims week after week after week is NOT good news. I’m beginning to think its the only way to wipe the slate clean and start over.__Everyone keeps relying on VOTEM OUT IN 2012, My biggest concern right now is the 2012 elections and the facts that Obama is legislating through excutive order_ I also think the alleged Iran terrorist attempt was a False Flag, I don’t think its beyond this administration to keep doing this, until we crack. We are on a one hell of a mudslide!

  • Jeryl

    There’s always the story of the little boy who was trying to sell a hound dog for $1,000 on the side of the road. A passerby stopped, laughed and said the boy might need to lower the price a bit. The little boy just shook his head and said, “Naw, mister, he’s worth it.” The next day the passerby noticed a sold sign at the stand where the hound dog sat. He saw the little boy in the yard and just had to stop. “Say, son, did you really sell that hound dog for $1000. “No,” the little boy replied proundly, “I traded him for two $500 cats.”

  • http://riverofjoy-crimea.blogspot.com/ David Hallowell

    When I was nine years old my family moved up in the Sierras on the scenic route to Yosemite. Many tourists came through and some stopped at my aunt’s general store. We were asked by some tourists one day if we could find them some pine cones! Sure we could. They were everywhere. They actually paid us for them!
    We thought the tourists were kind of stupid not to go get some free for themselves but soon we had a roadside pine cone business. The profit margin was nearly 100% and we had fun collecting and selling them. We were far enough out in the boonies nobody messed with us either. If they had done so pine cones make great sticky bombs.

    • JeffH

      That’s a good example and the spirit of a free market system… :)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Exactly. If youve got something people want, and you sell it at a price they are willing to pay, then your on to something good. Too bad the government interfere’s constantly with that. Darn shame.

        • Karolyn

          Hi Beberoni – I have done that my whole adult life. I started out making tissue paper flowers in the 70s, made grapevine and white birch wreaths in the 80s, dried flower arrangements in the 90s; and in the 2000s have sold handmade jewelry, antiques, collectibles, pinecones, pecan trees dug from a man’s yard, minerals found rock collecting, whatever I could sell. Unfortunately, the money I could make 10 years ago is no longer there, either because of too many people vying for a piece of the pie or just a lack of discretionary funds to spend. We live in a much tougher world these days.

          • Song

            Or Karolyn, you just aren’t selling what people want. People, (even the “poor”) have no problem shelling out the bucks for their cell phones, Ipads and laptops and all the accessories that go with them :D And, they are still buying brand name clothes and going to the movies and attending house parties for candles, home decor and make up….

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If youve got what people want, they will buy it. Ever notice all these people that dont have jobs, still have money to buy alcohol and cigs?

  • Hanginjudge

    Why do the people who post on this website bother to respond to lick spittle progressives like Ron? You can’t promote sanity by slapping back at insanity. He’s never going to get it! No Ron! Obama isn’t to blame for “all” of the stupidity that is going on in this country. Liberals like yourself are to blame for it. Just as they are to blame for electing a completely unqualified fool to occupy the most powerful position in the world, rendering it the laughingstock of the world by so doing.

    The Ron’s of the world should be ignored, but I have to admit its fun to engage in a fight with someone wielding a butter knife for a weapon. Keep up the good work Ron you’re very entertaining and you do expose the sane world to what it must be like to live in the Cuckoo’s nest.

    • F86

      Hope you recover from that labotomy – someday

      • Lewis Munn

        Anybody note to him that F86′s are so obsolete they don’t exist except in some museums?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The guy makes a perfectly legitimate statement, full bearing of the truth, and that is your response? How liberal of you.

    • DaveH

      I think Ron’s people did us all a favor. Instead of our Big Government growing imperceptibly Bigger, Obama in his inexperienced bumbling has awakened the American people like they haven’t been for over 150 years. People are finally taking Freedom, and Freedom Lovers like Ron Paul, seriously like never before in my lifetime. There are a huge number of heavily propagandized citizens to still be awakened but we are definitely on the right road. I think that Obama has opened Pandora’s box and it isn’t going to be easy to get that lid back down.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I noted that in an earlier post Dave, that for years the democrats tried to hide who they really were, but Obama in his prideful arrogance, has fully opened up this box, and exposed the left wing liberals for who they really are, and its a damn scary thing. We owe him a thanks though, because like you said, he has made people wonder about freedom and make us think about it more than a little bit, as he and his ilk seem to threaten it more and more every day.

  • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com VWmama

    Where is your tweet button?

  • Jimbo

    at 76 i still pick up bottles. but where i lived was also rural so no buisness possibilities existed. but i worked for 2 farmer brothers on thier 4 farms at the age of 12 untill 17 whenever i was not in school, nights and weekends.

  • Hilary Gavenda

    My first real job was running door to door putting carpet cleaning coupons on them…for a penny a piece, took me all day to earn $10.00!!!!!!!!!!! I did all the normal stuff like mow lawns and sell lemonade but I will never forget running my a** off for that money. As to the whole shutting down stands thing…you can almost bet that a neighbor was involved in notifying the authorities…..That is the worst part of this …they turn us against each other.

    • Ret

      Think that’s bad, wait until janet’s brainwashing really gets going, she’s going to make hitler and stalin look like lightweights.

    • JeffH

      Pulling weeds and clearing brush was how I started, maybe 12-13 years old…then at 15 I was washing my neighbors dump truck once a week until he taught me how to service it…$5.00 + I got to clear the weeds from the iceplant on the side of their hill…at 17 I started driving delivery on Sundays for the little pharmacy and then added a second job pumping gas at the Jim Tucker’s Shell station in El Sobrante…I also planted birds for field trials on some weekends for my the German Shorthair Club at $20 a weekend…paid for my hunting supplies and shotgun shells. We even tried the lemonade stand but there wasn’t enough traffic to really make anything…but neighbors would stop…just to help out if for no other reason and they always had something nice or constructive to say.

      We were encouraged to look for jobs, no matter how small, ’cause the folks weren’t well off and they encouraged peronal responsibility. If I wanted someting, I had to earn it, and that hasn’t changed now.

      My ,my how “Marxist/communist/socialist/progressives” have changed the face of our society…it’s way past time to take America back.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        From the time I was 12 years old and on, my dad said if you want money for a new ball glove, cleats, maybe a new bat if I broke my old one, as remember when kids bats were wood? Or maybe a hockey stick in winter, or a basketball or football. I was taught that if you wanted something, you worked for it. I remember establishing myself a route for lawn mowing, where I did so many on tuesdays and so many on thursdays. $2.00 a lawn. Same thing in the winter. Shovel the walk for 1.00, and 2.00 more for the driveway on those long driveways that were 100 yards long. But you know, Id knock down pretty close to 100.00 a week, and that funded my sports habits pretty darn well. And, it taught me the value of a dollar, and to know I could take care of myself and not have to depend on someone else to take care of me. 12 years old. Amazing how I see 25 to 30 year olds, sitting on porches drinking beer in a bag and smoking cigs all day, but they depend on the government to subsidize their living. I know a lot of these guys. They collect welfare, food stamps, WIC, and get other handouts from the township office and the United Way and such, and its unbelievable. And they act like they are proud of getting all this stuff free. When I remind them that Im paying for it, I dont even get a thank you for it. Simply amazing. How is it that a 12 year old boy gets it, but a grown adult doesnt? It baffles me.

    • DaveH

      Yep, just like they did in the USSR. That is the hallmark of Socialist societies (getting citizens to rat each other out to the authorities).

      • JeffH

        Snitching…a practice that is encouraged by government…

        If you want to snitch on your neighbors to the federal government, you’re in luck! There’s an app for that!

        A new iPhone App with the misleading name ‘PatriotApp’ attempts to draw on the power of the patriot movement, turning smartphone users into a gigantic snitch network.

        You might think an app with such a patriotic name might have useful functions like a pocket constitution or quotes from our forefathers. But contrary to the services one might expect, this app allows users to report any ‘suspicious’ behavior directly linking them with top government agencies.
        http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/12/wanna-snitch-on-your-neighbor-theres-an-app-for-that/

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats also the work of Satan to snitch out like that. Its plain gossip is what it is. I know Im a Christian and your not Dave, but it is written, that if I have a problem with someone, Im to go to them with it, and get to the bottom of it, not to go gossip to someone else about it. That is straight from the bowels of Satan himself.

        • JeffH

          Beberoni, to add to that, DaveH has a good set of morals based on his personal belief in freedom and liberty…a trait to be admired of anyone, atheist or not.

        • DaveH

          As somebody else pointed out, there are so many laws now that all of us can’t help breaking one or the other. So if somebody dislikes us, it’s pretty easy to bring the Force of Government down on us.
          When I got divorced my evil brother suggested that I should plant drugs in my ex-wife’s car and give an anonymous tip to the police.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That was down right rotten of him. And JeffH is right Dave, you appear on these threads to have a higher standard of morals than a lot of Christians I know, and some so called Christians I know. But all should know, that slick old satan has his emmisaries embedded in a lot of churches also, just to put a nasty taste in peoples mouths to keep them turned off to the idea. Its a fact.

  • Darrell

    No one is going to get 100% of what you want in life but 75% is not too much to expect.
    But with all of the examples sited in the article are quite simply government run amok. Yes their is corruption in local government and until the people get involved in their local government they are going to be regulated to no end.
    Much of this is not only to silence any decent but if ones wishes to participate in the great American dream it is for sale by the government through taxes, regulatory fees (taxes) license fees (taxes)and permitting fees(taxes).Any further questions?

    • Lewis Munn

      That list is starting to tax my mind!!

  • Dave

    Chip:

    In the examples you gave, it was not “petty bureaucrats” who enacted the ordinances, with no exemptions for children or charities. It was elected officials. Way too often, the poorest elected officials are found at the lowest levels of government.

    • DaveH

      Much of the time bureaucrats stretch the laws well past their original intentions.

  • Alex Frazier

    When I was a kid, I tried the lemonade thing. Didn’t work out too well. I remember giving it away to the friends that came by, and I don’t remember making a single dime.

    But when I was a little older and permitted to use the lawn mower, I did cut grass for $10 a yard. I used the money to go to the skating rink. It was just enough to get in, get a slice of pizza, and a soda.

    A friend and I also went around the neighborhood and knocked on doors offering car washes for $5. That went well for a while. But that was what I like to consider my first real experience with retail service. I enjoyed it, until the first time a nit-picky customer whined and complained over something petty. We were only about ten years old. Perfection isn’t something that should have been expected, although if I do say so myself, I thought we did a pretty good job.

    I suppose I simply learned from an early age that there’s no pleasing some people.

    I also did as Chip did. I used to collect the glass soda bottles I could find along the road side and out in the field. I used to get $.10 each for them. With a little dedicated effort, I would make enough to catch the bus and get McDonald’s. $4-$5 used to buy quite a bit back in the day.

    So I’d have to say that starting around age 12, I was a serious tax evader, with earning from a landscaping business, a private detailing business, and some capital gains on soda commodities. And I wasn’t a licensed business owner for any of those ventures. What a wicked child I was.

    • Lewis Munn

      I’m telling Holder on you! He’ll be after you fast and furiously!

    • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

      I hated retail. My first job experience was going door to door selling dolls my mom made dresses for. These where wide hooped dresses where you could hide a roll of toilet paper under and in the dolls hands was a card saying “when uncertain, when in doubt, just turn me over and I’ll help you out”. Needless to say a 6 year old boy selling dolls that hid toilet paper was embarrassing and I’ve never liked any type of salesman job since then. So instead I became a professional killer. First in the Navy for 20 years and then owning a pest control business for 10. My mom loves to tell strangers that it’s her fault one of her sons became a professional killer.

      • DaveH

        Funny story, Dan.

      • Jibbs

        ROLMAO!!! hehehe!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I had that nit pick guy, except in a different form. The guy said he would give us 2 bucks each to shovel his big old long driveway. So me and my buddy shoveled it, went to the door when we were done, and the guy gives us a total of 2 bucks. We said, “no, it was 2 bucks each”. To which he said sorry, and closed the door in our face. So, being that fair is fair, since he only paid us half of what he said he would, we proceeded to work our butts off, and re-shoveled all that snow we took off the whole driveway, and filled half of it back up with all the snow we removed. Right at the end, he must have heard us, and came out yelling and complaining, to which I told him, “you paid half, you only get half shoveled pal. Then we left. Justice was served.

      • Alex Frazier

        Freakin’ awesome! lol

      • Jay

        Serves the prick right!

      • JeffH

        …luv it! Serves him right…

  • chilichld

    Al-Awlaki ? Bonnie and Clyde were ambushed in Louisiana , and pictures of the car are on line ; they show extreme determination to kill . As for free commerce , we are becoming a Marxist society . We elected one to be president , and he is not even a U.S. citizen . He would have citizenship if his mother lived in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14 , but she gave birth at the age of 18 , so do the math . Why does he use a social security number from Connecticut ? He never lived there .

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      I thought Bonnie and Clyde ‘bought it’ in Dexter Iowa…?

      • Jibbs

        Clyde’s brother Ivan ‘Buck’ Barrow was fatally wounded during a shootout with police in Iowa on July 29, 1933.

    • DaveH

      Bonnie and Clyde killed around a dozen Policemen and Civilians.
      Awlaki was guilty of having a big mouth (so they say). Quite a difference. If it’s okay to kill people for what they say, then there wouldn’t be many of us left standing.

      • Jibbs

        Your right! Oh boy, I think I hear the sound of boots marching down my driveway……honey please the lock the door.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Socialism is the government ownership of businesses, such as our schools. Fascism allows the illusion of private ownership of businesses while government controls all the important policies and procedures, such as the following:

    Saint Vincent’s and Brookwood Hospitals are suing Trinity Hospital to prevent them from moving from one location to another, both In Birmingham, Alabama. The authority is the fascist Alabama Certificate of Need legislation.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Several years ago I lived in a small lake front town in Ohio. It was basically a bedroom community for upper middle class families who worked in the city. An enterprising young lad, a 12 yr. old, started mowing peoples lawns. He did such a good job, at a marginable price, that everyone wanted to use him. To accomodate his growing business he used his money to buy a used lawn tractor and had another kid help him for a part of the take. You guessed it, after a couple of summers he got a visit from the IRS who fined him and helped shut him down. I hope that this didn’t ruin his enterpernual spirit and learned that the gvt. is a huge hinderance to any business. Maybe that’s why you don’t see kids mowing lawns, shovelling snow, or raking leaves for money like we did when we were kids. Or maybe too money parents just give their kids money with no expectations of them doing anything.
    One of my first ventures into business was when I was about 9 and would catch a stringer full of trout and sell them to guys at the local bar. When I was older I did the same thing with rabbits and pheasants during hunting season. When I got older I understood that these guys bought this stuff so they could go home and show their wives that they were actually hunting or fishing instead of sitting in the bar all day. That business expanded to finding lost golf balls and selling them to other golfers. No, I did not pay taxes and no one seemed to care. Oh, the good old days !!

    • Briguy

      The IRS should have been fined and charged with a crime for that! What they did was totally illegal! Kids under 18 are not responsible for paying taxes whatsoever! When a 16 year old applies for a job at McDonald’s, on the app for his taxes, he is to write exempt on it. This agent should have been arrested and charged with a midsemenor and forced to resign. This was totally wrong to go in and shut this kid’s business down. He had a right to do what he was doing, and his onstitutional rights were violated by someone committing a crime! So, Un-Ameican! This kind of stuff must cease in America, and we must take our country back from these low life neanderthalls like obama and reid, and scum like that!

      • DaveH

        Abolish the Income Tax system!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You have my undivided attention sir. I am all for that one. Can you imagine how the economy would pick up if the government quit taking half of our money and spending it on their stupid pet projects, most of it out of the country? It would be astounding.

          • DaveH

            Did you know that the Accounting Profession was dramatically smaller before 1913? The byzantine Income Tax System provided boom times for Accountants. We would save SO much money not having to jump through all those ridiculous hoops. Also, people could concentrate on what they do best instead of wondering which tax loopholes they should take advantage of. I’ve heard commentators talk about the people who rely on the Mortgage tax break, but if the Income Tax system was ended, mortgage rates would adjust downward in Free Markets, as they should. And renters wouldn’t be footing the bill for home owners, as it should be. There are many wrongs that could be corrected by getting rid of that system.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes sir, I have to agree. Our taxation system needs revamped and rewritten, our politcal system needs revamped and rewritten, and our penal system needs revamped and rewritten. I would love to see those 3 things addressed and straightened up in this country. That would solve a whole lot of problems right out of the gate.

        • Jay

          Abolish the Income-Tax-System? Careful Dave, you’re gonna make me love you more then i already do!

  • John D. Beach

    It makes one wonder how long it will be before Halloween, which has been waning in participation for many years and not without good reason, will be a forbidden activity. We can be glad we grew up in the days immediately following WWII when the country still had an atmosphere where respect and trust were seemingly more in evidence than they are today. Can we blame this on diversity? To some extent I think we can since we now have government at the local, state and federal levels which, rather than compelling and fostering commonality, especially in communication skills, is actually encouraging the growth of ethnic subcultures based on partisan political expediency, increasing the costs of communication by government by affording translation and interpretation in the languages of some minority groups. This encourages division, ethnic-based isolationism and societal dysfunction, misunderstanding, mistrust and hatred but does justify the cost of government and perpetuate the need for government intervention when things go bad because of basic diversity.
    So it is probably a good thing that little Mary is not given the opportunity to poison some neighbor she hates with a glass of spiked lemonade or a trick or treater to lace Snickers bars or apples with razor blades for the fiendish delight of seeing what may happen. All Hallows Eve had become a paradoxical antithesis to the good deeds done by those motivated by examples of Saints celebrated the next day and parents have wisely chosen to limit the activities of their children for sane reasons.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Chip again your writings is apiece.
    “But today, I want to talk about one of the most ridiculous results of our Big Nanny government run amok. It is the startling fact that all across the country, children are being told that their lemonade stands are against the law”
    A check of the places you highlighted shows 55% Democratic 45% Republican so Big Nanny Government I think not.
    Local Government enforcing existing laws is more the case.There should be no issue with health laws do to the fact there are things out there that can kill you. Listeria comes to mind as the latest Bacterial killer.
    The other permit laws to protect vendors from the little children
    seems to be large corporations crushing the little business out of Greed.”Profits over People”

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      …’protect vendors from little children’…did you really write that line?

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Reading is one think but understanding what you have read is something you have not mastered yet

        July 17: Police in Appleton, Wis., inform children that despite legally selling lemonade and cookies in their front yard during an annual city festival for the past several years, a new city ordinance bans these sales. The reason? To protect licensed vendors from competition. How’s that for a great example of how America works?

    • Jibbs

      Maybe the kids need to be protected fron you sgt z.

      • JeffH

        The question remains…is whether “sarge” is a phony “sarge”? If he ever was a “sarge” in ‘Nam it’s amazing that he could have survived the “friendly fire”.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Can you spell FRAG boys and girls?

          • JeffH

            Yepper! :)

          • Jay

            I can also spell LOONEY!

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            Coward

          • JeffH

            Coward? Naw, just honest!

          • Jay

            That’s true, and honesty is the best policy! Why can’t sarg see that?

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        For someone to think the way you think indicated the tendency to molest You need help

    • DaveH

      You fought in Vietnam, and you’re worried about unhealthy lemonade stands? If that is the case, Sgt, then you are Free NOT to patronize them. Don’t presume you know what’s best for other people though.

      • S.C. Murf

        Love it DaveH, keep it going

        up the hill
        airborne

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Were do I send the cantaloupe

        • JeffH

          Hey “sarge”, no pun intended…I got an idea where you can send the cantalope but you’ll have to remove your head first to make room for it! :)

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            What you need to do is grab both of your ears and pull real hard the popping sound will be your head departing your _____Can you guess what the next word is it begins with an A

          • Song

            Hey nam68…shouldn’t the fact that tainted food still gets through all of our country’s rules and regs tell you something about the effectiveness of government regulation???? LMAO

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            Song
            Grab your ears and pull

            Raw milk is milk that has not been pasteurized. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), raw milk or raw milk products were implicated in 45 outbreaks that resulted in over 1,000 illnesses and two deaths in the United States during 1998-2005. In 1938, milk was the cause of 25 percent of all food- and water-related sickness. With the introduction of universal pasteurization—long considered one of the most successful public health endeavors of the last century—that number fell to one percent by 1993. Of note, however, because not all cases of foodborne illness are recognized and reported, the actual number of illnesses associated with raw milk likely is greater.

          • Jay

            You honestly believe the rubbish that comes from a government agency? Grab both ears and pull real hard sarg!

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            Jay

            WHAT Is A SARG ? and stop using my line; sorry don’t stop; because you need to use it You need all the help you can receive aka GET

            “You honestly believe the rubbish that comes from a government agency? Grab both ears and pull real hard sarg!”

          • JeffH

            sarge, I get it…when you were in ‘Nam everybody used to line up and grab both your ears and pull real hard and the popping sound came from you!

            Help me out would ya…who held their beer while they pulled on your ears? YOU?

          • Jay

            ROTFLMAO!!!!

          • Jay

            Jeff, no doubt sarg held beers, as he needed fluids to wash down the meds!

          • JeffH

            Jay…or the protien… :)

          • Al Sieber

            You guys are killing me. LMAO

          • DaveH

            Sgt says “raw milk or raw milk products were implicated in 45 outbreaks that resulted in over 1,000 illnesses and two deaths in the United States during 1998-2005″.
            Implicated? Two deaths in 7 years? Horror of Horrors! Do you know why robust clinical studies must be double-blind? People are biased. Especially the CDC. Biased people produce biased studies if the parameters of the study are personally known by them. It’s just an unfortunate fact of life. Thus the necessity of double-blind studies.
            Even if those figures are true, is it any of your business what risks other people choose? There are many people who swear by the health benefits of Raw Milk, and I don’t doubt them. Heat treatment denatures molecules and who knows what that does to the health benefits of that product? Not I. Not you. Butt out of other peoples’ choices, Sgt.
            Mises just happens to have an article on Raw Milk this week. For those who want to spread their logical wings:
            http://mises.org/daily/5692/The-Freedom-to-Buy-and-Sell-Raw-Milk

          • DaveH

            Dr. Ron Paul, as usual, in the lead to get our Freedoms back:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WhlwOojjF4

          • DaveH

            To put the “danger” of Raw Milk in perspective, from the Mises article:
            “there is no rational justification to focus national attention on raw milk, which may be associated with an average of 42 illnesses maximum among the more than nine million people (about 0.0005 percent) who have chosen to drink milk in its fresh unprocessed form.
            Using this average of 42 illnesses per year, we can show, using government figures, that you are about 35,000 times more likely to become ill from other foods than you are from raw milk”.

          • DaveH

            Someday, maybe even people like the Sgt. will come to the realization that it’s not about Safety, it’s about Crony Capitalism.

          • Song

            One can wish DaveH. I grew up drinking RAW unpasteurized milk. Horrors of horrors! What a joke. When will people like Nam68 figure out that the simple act of living is risk! LOL

          • DaveH

            I’m reading the book “How Capitalism Saved America” by Thomas DiLorenzo, and I ran across this passage:
            “The first American settlers arrived in Jamestown in May of 1607. There, in the Virginia Tidewater region, they found incredibly fertile soil and a cornucopia of seafood, wild game such as deer and turkey, and fruits of all kind. Nevertheless, within six months, all but 38 of the original 104 Jamestown settlers were dead, most having succumbed to famine.”
            Can you imagine the whining they would have had to endure from the Liberals?
            We’ve gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of whining wimps in just a few hundred years.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sarg, gathering from the intelligence Ive collected from all the guys I knew that served in ‘nam, they have told me of the ungodly amounts of drugs that were flowing over there. You didnt perhaps, by chance, get involved heavily in that for 3 or 4 years straight did you?

      • libertytrain

        sarg mention 1998 -2005 – for the unpasteurized milk problems. How many people have died or become gravely this year (or is it the last month or so) from the cantaloupes that were supposedly under the governments watchful eyes…

        • Song

          Excellent point LT!

  • Jack

    Freedom! Freedom! Where has it gone and who now has more freedom than the Un United State of America! I traveled too Germany and I noticed a lot of Germans love too smoke cigarettes and in the airport in Frankfurt Airport they had a long line of cigarette machines like we had here in the United States at one time. Dose any states still have cigarette machines?Alabama where I live they have been gone sinse the 1960,s Then I traveled too the city Keiv in the Ukraine and I noticed they did not wear seat belts. Alabama Democrat Don Siegalman that in prision now passed the seat belt low and the insurance law for cars in Alabama. How many states still don,t have these two laws? Drugs stores make it hard for you too but cold medicene because of sorry drug addicts that most likely will die early anyway. When I was younger many would be found dead with a plastic bag over their head with a tube of testers cemment glue in it but no one ever banned glue like they did paragark which was very good for dieria! We cannot punnish others for stupid people that will die early anyway.

    • Ret

      Let them have at it. Reduces the gene pool of idiots.

  • Chris Schilke

    I once read somewhere that there are over 3,000,000 laws on the books in this country. Who knows what laws we are breaking? Our legislators are busy every year adding to the mess. As my son pointed out that it’s impossible to enforce them but, enforcement is not the purpose of all of those laws; it’s example making. If someone has a grudge against you it might just be possible to find a law that you’re breaking and to push the issue with law enforcement agencies to find a way to make an example out of you so that others will know how to behave and to remove you as an irritant. We can’t have a civilization without law but a civilization that can change laws at the whim of the mob soon breaks down into a totalitarian state where the common citizen no longer has any control over their life. This country started off as a constitutional republic and has somehow morphed into a democracy of mob rule. And if this isn’t true how can law enforcement officials go into four hundred homes and remove children merely on an unsubstantiated accusation of child molestation in just one home and the people in this country not rise up and demand accountability from their law enforcement agencies that were responsible for this? There can be no protection under the law if your point of view differs from the ruling mob. To call what we have as a nanny state only masks the fact that what we really have is something more terrifying, something that seeks to devour it’s own citizenry.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Pure “majority votes rule” IS mob rule. What happens when 51% vote that the other 49% must support them? Oh, it has already happened.

    • DaveH

      It’s called Selective Enforcement, Chris, and it is indeed one of the bigger problems of Big Government. As you said, if they don’t like you, it isn’t hard to find some law to punish you with.

  • Andy Valiante

    The law enforcement in this country will follow these stupid laws to a tee, but will pass by people driving while texting, crossing over solid lines in the road, or ignore the illegals roaming our streets and selling drugs

    • DaveH

      Only until the next generation of controlling Politicians gets in office. Then enforcement will switch over to some other group of people just trying to live their own lives.

  • Al Hill

    Chip;
    I haven’t read through all the comments, but your column has reminded me of something I’ve run through my mind for some time.

    This mentality of total control at the local level is indicative, to me, of the spreading cancer that emanates from Washington D.C. Here in Nevada, the most successful politicians can’t wait to make their bid for a seat in the U.S. Congress. All those connections and the prestige.

    To use a sports analogy, the 50 states are nothing but a political “farm system” for choosing the future “professionals” of our elitist masters.

  • Chuck

    I too am an old fart and was raised to look for the silver lineing of a black cloud. My sister(Mn) and I(Va) were talking todays politics and laughing at Mom’s staunch stand on being a Democrat. “GrandPa would roll over in his grave if we were anything else.” So we had to wait till we got out into the real world before we discovered what was going on. – The silver lineing. What is a childs favorite question. “WHY”. What is a childs favorite followup question after being given a supposed logical answer. “WHY”. Unfortunatly these young people are being thrust into the real world but is that really a bad thing?

  • Chris Schilke

    My mother encouraged us seven children to do many things. We put on plays where other kids could pay whatever they had to come and watch. We gathered newspapers, bottles, shoveled drives in the winter, cut grass in the summer and baby say all year around. We had many ways of making money and there was no limit to how we could do it. The collecting bottles thing included going around to the different building sites and bugging the guys that worked there for their cast of bottles. The best ones were the big gallon glass milk bottles that fetched a huge reward of twenty cents apiece. The workers would give in just to get rid of us. I know that by today’s standards my mother would have been considered neglectful. My how things have changed.

  • Old Sully

    This book gets a bit technical but provides an interesting read that explains a lot of what is going on with government today. Dr Rossiter is a Forensic Psychiatrist. His website is: http://www.libertymind.com

    The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D.

    “On the Ideals and Dangers of Liberalism:
    Any government with the power to mother its citizens also has the power to dominate them and steal from them: to overtax them, confiscate their property and override their binding agreements. For this reason, the legally enforceable institutions of society must be very limited, lest the government charged with protecting the people against tyranny and theft becomes itself the most dangerous tyrant and thief.

    Under the creed of modern liberalism, the individual citizen is not called to maturity but is instead invited to begin a second childhood. Like the child at play, he is given, or at least promised, ultimate economic, social and political security without having to assume responsibility for himself… (click here to continue)”

    • JeffH

      Old Sully, Hear Hear! I’ll have to check it out…thanks!

  • Gold

    I can’t believe that the required permit isn’t another name for contract with the government to do something. It is a well know fact that minors (under the age of 18) can not legally enter into contracts.

    • Chris Schilke

      You’re right, it is a contract. But what about the social security number you’re given almost at birth? The rules don’t somehow apply to our government. The sad thing is that we have been conned into thinking that this behavior of choosing to force our children into doing something that they might just elect not to do when they get old enough is a crime against their freedom. It was the first real step toward the nanny state as someone called it.

  • John Roane

    Can’t blame the cops for enforcing the law, just look at illegal immigration we have 14 million here because our federal cops, at the direction of this Administration, are not enforcing the law.

    However, you can tell your elected officials to modify the current law to allow these types of sales and if not don’t re-elect them. In fact because you haven’t done that you are to blame not the cops.

    • Chris Schilke

      I agree that the cops aren’t to blame, they have the unenviable job of enforcing things they themselves might not believe in. And you’re right about people not changing things: that they have themselves to blame if they don’t like it. But, to be fair: how do you know what to change when there is so much you don’t know? It’s hard to know the real outcome of a law until the outcome has had a chance to manifest itself. That’s part of what all of this talking is about, raising issues. But, the sad fact is that the law making machinery is probably totally out of control and won’t be stopped until it has crashed. I’m not throwing in the towel because to resign from doing anything is the same thing as giving someone a license to do what they please.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68
    • DaveH

      I’m to blame because a raw majority of people choose to step on my Freedom?

  • CP

    For all concerned, most of those laws predate even the officials who are now enforcing them. I saw in one comment something that is absolutely correct, those laws aren’t enforced until law enforcement is advised of a potential violation. Once the police are notified, they HAVE to take action,or face legal consequences for failing to do so. I may be a bit behind the times with this, but I do believe there are still towns where it is illegal to do door to door sales of any kind without either a license or a prior appointment. Look up “Green River” laws and you will quickly find out your friendly neighborhood Avon lady HAS to have an appointment before she rings your doorbell in those towns.

  • Paintedmoose

    I have fond memories of our lemonade and homemade cookie stand. We lived on a short cul de sac but the neighbors would stop and buy lemonade, the pink lemonade was more popular than the regular. One time we did not have any pink lemonade concentrate so we got out the Grenadine (pomegranite) juice and made our own. It tasted just as good and who knew that later, pomegranite would be proven to be so healthy?
    Of course, the most popular item was the homemade chocolate chip cookies. One neighbor always stopped to ask if we had cookies. If we did, he would buy a dozen. It got to where we would package up a dozen just for him whenever we made the cookies. Those were fun days.
    This kind of regulation is why I do not want to sell my homegrown eggs and other items.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im not a lemonade drinker per say, but when I see the young ones with their lemonade stands, I go over and buy one, and have them drink it. They dont quite understand sometimes why someone will give them something and not want something in return, but maybe, just maybe, that will stick with them as they grow up, and they in turn will do a kind deed for someone else, without wanting or expecting something in return. That is a good trait to have, that unfortunately as the years pass, seems to be fading away.

  • Downs1

    I guess “Suzie” in the lemonade commercial is going to have to be shut down! Gee, and she really has the entrepreneurial spirit and she really uses that computer well! Some things can become just plain ridiculous! America isn’t “fun” anymore! Boy Scouts have to allow gays as scouts or as troop leaders, Girl Scouts also! Can’t play tag on the playground! Can’t make more than 4 baskets in a game so that other players can have a “chance”. No one is allowed to fail, so the “educators” set the bar low so we can preserve “self esteem”! No matter if we don’t learn! Oh, I forgot, you can’t sell girl scout cookies or lemonade but you can get condoms at school and screw all you want because the teachers say that’s healthy and the State doesn’t object! Never mind what your parents think! Good bye America! You were great . . . once!

  • Art R

    In almost every case the reason for shutting these ventures down was to protect people’s health via permit and inspection.This is an absolute LIE and the real reason the laws were passed was to limit competition.At least Appleton was up-front about that.In fact almost all ordinances,if looked at thoroughly,are to restrict competition to the benefit of the “seller” at the expense of the “buyers”

    • DaveH

      Yep — Crony Capitalism.

  • AVCurmudgeon

    At whatever level: national, state, county, municipal the same truth holds: “that government governs best that governs least.” In some ways the temptation for government overreach can become greater the smaller the level, for the same reason that feudal satrapies formed: the closer you are to home the more vital are the ties that bind and the harder it can be to break through. Yes, federal government should be limited but so should all government. Here we have a local “conservative” mayor who instituted an “eye in the sky” to surveill the streets and who drove a hotel out of business rather than allow a “1%” motorcycle gang to hold its convention in town. Abuse of power is abuse of power regardless of the level of government or who is doing the abusing.

  • Briguy

    If anything like this ever happened to me, I would boldy take a fine and walk into a city building and rip it up in their faces, and throw it on their counter and proclaim boldy that they take their communistic fine and shove it where the sun don’t shine! Shame on all of these towns who did that, and they should all be punished severely!

  • Jesse

    I try to stay away from commenting on these type of site but I find it very interesting to see the ignorance posted. Does everyone not see the disparity between yourselves as fellow do called Americans? Is it not obvious how “special” everyone seems to think they are?

    The reality it that you have the right to sell to anyone willing to buy without anyone getting involved….period! Kids do not need a permit (tax) to sell lemonade, cookies, or anything else, its only been that way since the creation of man. Any intervention by anyone government whether local, state, or Fed is absurd and just another form of taxation.

    And yes, cops have nothing better to do than harass people. Its incredible that everyone is blind to these facts. The are there to babysit, serve and collect not serve and protect.99% of them will never see a gun pointed at them during their entire career and that is a fact. There are way to many of them with nothing to do, just see the occupy wall street videos. Its a police state and has been one for years…your blind if you dont see it and no, they are not the first ones to call if something goes wrong, thats the whole problem. Handle your own business and there will be very limited need for them.

    This country is falling apart around us and Americans still play the blame game. Quit watching tv and go do something productive with yourself that might benefit some one other than yourself you might like it.

    Just came from extensive travels and it seems we are now the butt of every joke in all other countries. Even they see that our government and yes that includes the puppet Obama, is not worth 2 cents. Why cant America see it?

    Respectfully,

    Ashamed to be American

    • Jibbs

      Why don’t you take your own advice, and stay away from this site.

      • DaveH

        What did he say to deserve that, Jibbs?

        • JeffH

          “Ashamed to be American”?

          • Jay

            When i travel abroad and speak with people regarding the mess our country is in, most will articulate that they do not hate Americans, rather, they hate and despise our Administration. Important distinction!

          • JeffH

            Jay, no arguement there. I used to go out of state hunting in Wyoming back in the 70′s and the locals were totally shocked to see a couple of Californians hiking 8-10 miles for deer…they always thought Californians road hunted. Made friends real quick when my buddy and I offered to help them pack thier elk down the mountain…they hung it overnight and came back on horseback the next morning to pack it out but gave us the name and number of a rancher near Big Piney so we would have a spot to hunt antelope later in the week. A bottle of Jim Beam and a handshake got us two nice antelope and a whole bunch of prairie dogs.

          • DaveH

            It’s good to know there are those who can make that distinction, Jay, but I would suspect they’re in the minority.

          • Jay

            Not really sure about that, Dave. Here’s a blog site that tackled that issue. Some very interesting and encouraging postings.

            http://www.bestandworst.com/v/11594.htm

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im not ashamed to be an American. Im ashamed of the way our leaders and many Americans act, especially those on the left, but Im not ashamed to be an American. Theyve got it wrong, so why should I be ashamed because they are screwed up?

  • TML

    My entrepreneurial experience as a young kid growing up… which was pretty much the 80’s (I’m 36), was simply providing yard services to the neighborhood trailer trash, lol. My friend and I both have names which start with ‘T’ and so we came up with the name T-N-T Yard Services… we would both clear the yard of trash and debris, and then one of us would do the lawn mowing, while the other would follow up with trimming. After several months, we had so many regular ‘clients’ that we had at least one house/yard to do every other day. We charged $25 per yard, and split it between the two of us, so we averaged about $40 a week for each of us… which, to an 8 and 11 year old, we were rich, lol. It lasted for about a year it seems like, but ultimately ended after my parents moved us away and into some apartments. :-/

    My kids today actually want jobs… my 13 year old has a summer job that pays $13 an hour as a fudge maker, and my 16 year old daughter makes $15 an hour as a tour guide during the summer. My younger ones bake cookies and cakes (with mom’s help of course) and put up fliers to sell them for special occasions, rather than sit outside with a ‘stand’ or something.

    Times have changed, and so has the method in which we operate, and rightly so, in a lot of cases… for example, the article mention of $100 sneakers, well… if that’s what they want, then a lemonade stand isn’t going to earn them enough for that. Don’t get me wrong though… it is absolutely ridiculous that something a harmless as young children with a lemonade stand can get fined by the police/city/county. So much so that I would consider it appalling. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that children today do not learn the same values as they did back then.

    • Aix Sponsa

      13-15 hr? Wow. My grown son has been “out of unemployment checks” since Christmas and has spent a couple thousand dollars looking for any job. He can’t even find a minimum wage job because businesses are afraid to do anything in this economy. He has been as far as 300 miles radius looking for permanent work, but they won’t talk to him until he actually has a local driver’s license. I am a graduate engineer and have just applied to pizza hut for a minimum wage cook job. Try being 55 and unemployed. Your savings disappears quickly.

      • TML

        Well, mind you, these are only part time summer jobs, and they are in Alaska. So don’t feel defeated by that. Trust me I know all about the unemployment thing. I’ve been working again for about a year after almost a year and a half of unemployment… and the only reason I have a job now is because they recalled me from my layoff. So I definitely feel for you… I’ve been there, with 5 kids to support.
        Good luck to you! I hope you find something suitable soon!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I have watched my wife switch jobs 3 times in the last 2 years, as one place closed, the next place was just rediculous to put up with some people’s bull, and the place she works now. Each time, she went un-employed, sent out resume’s, engaged what they call head hunters that look for jobs for you, and each time she was hired within a month. All the jobs were in the 50 grand range. And she had many, many calls besides those. And she just has a BS in business management from a little junior college in Pennsylvania where she used to live. Then I talk to other people around here, who I know have the same degree or higher, and they will tell everyone that there just arent any jobs to be had around here. Well, for truths sake, Ive seen the truth, and there are jobs, you just need to for one, want one, and for two, to look for one. Ive heard young adults who got out of high school, and their parents are just fit to be tied, because “there just arent any jobs out there”, and “I dont know what they are gonna do”. Yet in the last 4 years, both my children graduated high school, no college, and both have pretty decent jobs. The boy is the lead man with a company that installs both Neon signs and those big signs you see from the highway for gas stations, restaurants and signs like that. He almost makes what I do, and I live comforatably. My daughter worked two restaurant jobs, before getting into a credit union, where within two years has become a loan officer, and now they are paying for her college course relating to the job, as one day she will be one of the big wigs in corporate for them, as I see the desire in her eyes. Both of my children have my work ethic, which was instilled in me by my father, that taught me if you want something, dont count on or depend on someone getting it for you or giving it to you, go out and work and achieve it. I was taught that, and they were taught that. And they are succeeding. While I do see many of their friends, whose rich daddies paid for a 4 year party in college, and now they are working restaurant jobs or drawing unemployment, because basically, they grew up with mommy and daddy doing everything for them and giving them everything. That is where a lot of the people who live on unemployment come from, families not so much that were rich or dirt poor, but families that never taught their kids to depend on themselves. That in itself is a big, big problem this country needs to overcome.

          • Song

            Right on Beberoni. If you can’t find a job doing “something” in 2 years then it’s probably time to start looking at what you should be changing to get one.

    • DaveH

      Good to see, TML, that there’s some young blood on this board.

  • former walmart person

    THESE ARE THE FEARLESS TOTALLY SCUM TRASH COP PIGS AT WORK. THEY GO AFTER 5 YEAR OLDS BUT LEAVE HELICOPTER BEN BERNACKI COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED. NONE OF THESE COPS HAVE ANY REAL BALLS AND WHEN THE SHTFF, THESE COPS WILL SUDDENLY RUN IN TERROR AND SCREAM EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF LIKE THE PUSSIES THEY ARE WHEN FACED WITH A REAL FIGHT.

  • Mike S

    Why do we complain and reelect the same people?

    I ran for a state legislative office in Minnesota and almost all the people I was able to meet agreed with me and had the same gripes. The other person who voted for many pieces of the legislation no one wanted was reelected.

    What else is new?

    • Lewis Munn

      Might not there have been many more votes than registered voters?

    • DaveH

      Challengers always have an uphill battle against incumbents. And they want to make it even harder with Campaign Finance laws. The seated politicians are no dummies. They know that many (if not most) people vote for the evil they’re familiar with. The less exposure their challengers get, the less likely the incumbent is to be unseated.

  • http://n.a. Robert Bradfield

    Hi, its that South African again.

    In South Africa we have professional politicians at the local level. My problem is that they have so much time to sit and think out new limits on local freedoms that I am not surprised that this takes place. Maybe we should all insist that local councilors should do whatever they do for free and thus show that they work for the good of the community.

    I am not sure how your system works but I think that one can generalize by saying that once a politician is paid, then they forget about their public responsibility and only work for themselves. If this is true in your case then you will have to find people at the local level that would support a no pay local council body. I do not think one will find many people that will be willing to do this.

    Thinking of you and praying for all.
    s

    • Pete0097

      How true. Politicians are universal and are the same regardless of political viewpoint. The only ones that are worse are the bureaucrats that really run everything. Look at how much power the clerks at the tax assessors office have.

    • JeffH

      Robert, your thoughts are much appreciated. :)

    • DaveH

      No, Robert, it wouldn’t work because they still would have the power which would attract those politically connected people who would pay quietly for their special attention.
      I believe the only hope for freedom is for all of us to overcome the decades of propaganda that we’ve all suffered at the hands of Government schools and the Main Stream Media. The Internet is a great tool in that effort, but the Politicians know that so you can bet your fortune that they are busily working behind the scenes to find some effective way to control it.

    • Jay

      The problem is not that politicians get paid, the problem is that they get paid in payola, on top of their pay. That’s just one of the problems. The next, and the more serious problem, is the malady, these fat-arses suffer from, and that is, they all seem to be hatching from the same snake-pit, liberal universities! What we need, is simple, honest folks, with common-sense that have the ability to balance a check-book! This is about the only thing a politician is required to do. Keep the books balanced, nothing more!

  • Wu Ming Ren

    Our attempt at a refreshment stand was similar, but we didn’t have lemons and lemonade. We were selling Kool-Aid — not the kind that Ron drinks, but real Kool-Aid. We had our stand set up on the same sort of country road, where cars whizzed by at 50 mph, and the only people who stopped to buy a tall glass of luke-warm Kool-Aid (without ice, because it didn’t last very long and the refrigerator only had one ice-cube tray) were neighbors and local farmers. We didn’t make enough money to pay for the ingredients, let alone our time, but Mom let us do it anyway, I think because it kept us out of the house.

    We collected bottles, too. Aluminum cans weren’t being used at the time, and there was no market for tin cans. But it was fun roaming the ditches of our country roads to find bottles. It seemed like an eternity to wait for grocery shopping day to come around, when we could haul our stash in to be counted. Sadly, some of the bottles were for products that our grocer didn’t market, so he wouldn’t take those.

    Our most interesting day came when we found a whole six-pack of Grain Belt beer laying in the ditch. We debated whether we should drink any, going over what we would do to cover the beer smell on our breath (Mom was something of a bloodhound when it came to contraband). It finally came down to a dare, and we each had our hot beer in hand. By the time we’d finished our beer, we were both rollickingly drunk. We decided it was best to miss lunch, ’cause Mom would definitely know what we’d done.

    We didn’t make much money from our bottle forays, but we did enjoy exploring and finding hubcaps and miscellaneous weird stuff to drag home. I heard you could sell hubcaps, so I tried to sell mine in one of Mom’s yard sales. As it turned out, a neighbor had lost one of them, and I just wasn’t right to sell back to him, so I gave it to him. I had marked it on sale for a dollar, but he gave me two dollars as a reward for finding it.

    My brother and I did make some money trapping gophers. There was a bounty on pocket gophers in Minnesota, because when they dig their tunnels in fields, they not only eat the root crops, they also leave big piles of mounded up dirt, which interferes with harvesting and ditch mowing. We got 25 cents per pair of front feet at the County Office at the time (now it’s up to 70 cents to $2 per gopher). We made a lot of money, and we reinvested in our business by buying more gopher traps. Things were looking pretty good, when someone came along and stole all our traps. We learned something about business. You start small and reinvest in your business to grow it, but you have to watch out for thieves. Today’s thieves are the anti-capitalist losers that infest the government. Jackals and Jackasses they are.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      That is one of the funniest things Ive ever read on these posts “We sold kool-aid, but not the kind Ron drinks”. Absolutely hilarious.

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    I wonder what these people use for brains because they obviously don’t have any.

  • steve hansen

    “As government expands, freedom contracts” – Ronald Reagan (paraphrased)

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      A government big enough to give you everything, is also big enough to take away everything.
      Thomas Jefferson

  • Pete0097

    The problem is the politicians are taking money from the vendors who then complain that they can’t compete against the kids with low overhead and low wages. The vendors need to realize that they need to sell the stuff that the kids don’t. That is the only way to compete with Wally World. Heck, at yard sales we have had, we started selling sodas that we paid a quarter for to the customers for 75 cents. We made more money that way.

  • Rachelrao

    To curb children’s enterpreneural spirits for a traditional part of what growing up in America is all about, is just mean and the counties, States or whoever the officials are, should be totally ashamed of themselves. It shows a new level of just plain greed, a greed due to their incompetence to manage budgets and tax payer dollars in a responsible way. I would like to find out how much they get in all states from these fines and licence fees, etc., and see if it really makes that much of a difference to their coffers. Greedy nasty officials. The lemonade stands should apply for bailouts!!

  • Sam

    I DO wish you people would READ your Constitution, and its footnotes, The Federalist Papers, which has the same force as the Constitution. Federalist Paper #28 reads in part, that those officeholders who usurp their positions are to be driven out WITH ARMED FORCE. In addition, Supreme Court case Marbury vs. Madison: those laws or ordinances which are repugnant to the Constitution are NULL AND VOID. Not only is closing down all children’s enterprises UNLAWFUL, but you CAN shoot to KILL all government trash who attempt to do so, because IT IS LAWFUL.

    There are approximately 70 – 80 million firearms owners in this country. It is time to educate the lot, and toss this dictatorial trash out!

    • DaveH

      No, the Federalist Papers do not have the same force as the Constitution. They do give us insight into the thinking that went into the Constitution though.
      Revolutions rarely result in good outcomes. We were lucky with ours, but even then it was a short 70 years before the Constitution was trampled by Abe Lincoln.

  • Old Henry

    Interesting story that both enraged me and brought back some good memories. Thanks Chip.

    A buddy and I tried a lemonade stand once and had about as much luck as you and your brother Jeff. As I recall we each made 50 cents. We headed for the neighborhood grocery store – remember those? – and got some shoe string licorish and a bottle of Cream Soda.

    I mowed my grandparents yard on occasion and made a dollar. And when I had the opportunity I would go to the farm of one of my uncles and pull Button Weeds with my cousins and make a couple of bucks.

    My vice was not comic books, but model cars. $1.50 for the AMT model and 10 cents per little bottle of paint. (No spray paint yet)

    From your article I can only assume that the communists have infiltrated our country to such a degree that we are either doomed or we will need a lot of blood shed to clean house.

    Lock ‘n Load.

    • Jibbs

      Why have we allowed this to happen?

      http://www.dsausa.org

      • JeffH

        So true! I didn’t go to the link ’cause I already know what it is.
        For those that don’t recognize it…see what we’re up against.

      • DaveH

        Yep, Democracy, Mob Rule. Just what we need. Even with a Republic our Freedom is being trampled.

  • Dave

    I say find out who is behind this and put them in a cage, in a Wal Mart parking lot with a sign telling what they did, do the same with the corrupt judges.

  • iam

    I, too, grew up during the ’50s and enjoyed drinking lemonade from my own stand. The difference is that I lived in town and did, in fact, sell to a few customers. I continued to make my own opportunities after high school. Through the years, I have offered my knowledge and abilities in whatever venue I could, as an independent contractor. I have always found it more satisfying than being someone else’s employee.

  • Jadaxx

    “July 17: Police in Appleton, Wis., inform children that despite legally selling lemonade and cookies in their front yard during an annual city festival for the past several years, a new city ordinance bans these sales. The reason? To protect licensed vendors from competition. How’s that for a great example of how America works?”

    Does anyone think that it was the licensed vendors that were behind the new city ordinance? A licensed business only trying to protect its self interests.

    • DaveH
      • DaveH

        For a deeper development:
        http://mises.org/daily/2546

        • Jadaxx

          Thanks for the link. I would like your opinion on a couple statements in the article:

          “Fiscally liberal Republicans, or “neoconservatives” as they were labeled, favored military intervention, open borders, and a vast array of federal programs that they calculated would garner them political support. Taxes were decreased by these politicians, but only in furtherance of an expanding federal government fed by the more productive private sector. Thus, it was shown in 2005 by the Cato Institute that the Bush Administration was the highest spending on domestic policies in over forty years.[1]”

          “The paleoconservatives, in what they believed to be solid conservative approaches to law and order, and to the traditional “negativist,” or protective, role provided by the Constitution, began to promote the economically backward policies of protective tariffs and blocks against immigration, continued to favor federal prohibitions on drug usage, sale, and possession, and favored unconstitutional wiretaps and military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

          According to the article by Gardner Goldsmith in “Beautiful Chaos”, do you believe it is the “neoconservatives” who favor “a vast array of federal programs that they calculated would garner them political support”, i.e. licensed business owners who lobbied local government for the “Lemonade Law”?

          Then again, on another hand, could it be the “paleoconservatives” with their “economically backward policies of protective tariffs”, local licensed business owners protecting their profits?

          It might be difficult for a moderate to find blame on some form of conservative ideology or on a liberal ideology, when it could be just simple greed by local business owners.

          Your opinion please.

          • Jay

            Jadaxx, you’re a space cadet!

          • DaveH

            My opinion is that Government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. And Government should not be involved in “protecting” companies.
            Any fees, taxes, regulations, or other such things should apply evenly across the board. Even then, expensive regulations can cause smaller competitors to go out of business, thus aiding the better-heeled competitors. Ideally our Government should not be in the business of “regulating” anything in the private sector. If something is a problem, then a law should be passed and violators should be prosecuted in Court, rather than having perfectly honest businesses burdened with byzantine hoops to jump through because some businesses are dishonest.
            See here for a discussion on Regulation:
            http://reason.org/news/show/the-cancer-of-government-regulation

    • Jadaxx

      DaveH says:
      October 14, 2011 at 5:57 pm
      My opinion is that Government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. And Government should not be involved in “protecting” companies.
      Any fees, taxes, regulations, or other such things should apply evenly across the board. Even then, expensive regulations can cause smaller competitors to go out of business, thus aiding the better-heeled competitors. Ideally our Government should not be in the business of “regulating” anything in the private sector. If something is a problem, then a law should be passed and violators should be prosecuted in Court, rather than having perfectly honest businesses burdened with byzantine hoops to jump through because some businesses are dishonest.
      See here for a discussion on Regulation:
      http://reason.org/news/show/the-cancer-of-government-regulation

      That sounds good on the surface but don’t you think that would just mean more laws on the books and therefore more lawsuits and lawyers that would end up costing business more time and money.

      • DaveH

        Doubtful, Jadaxx. Laws are passed by elected officials. Regulations are passed by unelected bureaucrats. The net result would doubtless be fewer rules, not more.

        • DaveH
        • DaveH

          Here’s my favorite treatment of the subject of Regulation:
          https://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=485

        • Jadaxx

          Thanks for the links; unfortunately, the first would not open for me, the one on stock markets. The second one, free market did open, it was interesting.

          So if regulations i.e. building codes were eliminated and only laws existed. Wouldn’t all those building codes be transferred into laws? Who would want to live in an unsafe home?

          • DaveH

            Did you mean “e.g. building codes?”.
            Laws (passed by elected officials) are a much tougher sell to the voters than for the legislative body to shirk it’s responsibility and instead give broad powers to some appointed bureaucrats to pass regulations.
            Politicians are expert at avoiding scrutiny. Passing laws shines a much brighter light on their activities. A light they try to avoid in their efforts to grow their power. Also every new body of bureaucrats and every new commission they create grows their power by increasing their voter base. Why is that? Probably relates to the concept of “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”. See here for an example:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Academia

            As Jefferson said “The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield”.

          • DaveH

            Those of you who don’t have the knowledge to inspect a home before you buy it, Jadaxx, are free to hire somebody to do that for you.
            I’m suspecting that you are a Big Government lover who is trying to trip me up. That’s great, Jadaxx, because the more you do, the more I get the chance to explain to those who really do have an open mind and want to learn why Big Government doesn’t work.
            Factual information is the bane of propagandists.

          • DaveH

            If building codes had existed when our country began, we would probably all still be living in log cabins because progress and Government just don’t mix well. Trying innovative methods cuts against the grain of stodgy Government agencies.
            Then, of course, the Environmentalists would be screaming bloody murder about all the trees necessary to build a single house.

        • Jadaxx

          DaveH says:
          October 16, 2011 at 10:14 am
          Did you mean “e.g. building codes?”.
          Laws (passed by elected officials) are a much tougher sell to the voters than for the legislative body to shirk it’s responsibility and instead give broad powers to some appointed bureaucrats to pass regulations.
          Politicians are expert at avoiding scrutiny. Passing laws shines a much brighter light on their activities. A light they try to avoid in their efforts to grow their power. Also every new body of bureaucrats and every new commission they create grows their power by increasing their voter base. Why is that? Probably relates to the concept of “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”. See here for an example:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Academia
          As Jefferson said “The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield”.
          DaveH says:
          October 16, 2011 at 10:21 am
          Those of you who don’t have the knowledge to inspect a home before you buy it, Jadaxx, are free to hire somebody to do that for you.
          I’m suspecting that you are a Big Government lover who is trying to trip me up. That’s great, Jadaxx, because the more you do, the more I get the chance to explain to those who really do have an open mind and want to learn why Big Government doesn’t work.
          Factual information is the bane of propagandists.
          DaveH says:
          October 16, 2011 at 11:04 am
          If building codes had existed when our country began, we would probably all still be living in log cabins because progress and Government just don’t mix well. Trying innovative methods cuts against the grain of stodgy Government agencies.
          Then, of course, the Environmentalists would be screaming bloody murder about all the trees necessary to build a single house.

          First, you are correct, my mistake, I meant e.g. and incorrectly used i.e.

          I’m still not sure if you want no regulations, because they are politically bureaucratic and more laws because laws shine more light on politicians. Or, just less regulations e.g. building codes and no laws to replace them.

          Please explain again, I really would like to understand what you are trying to say.

          Yes, I do hire a professional home inspector I do not know everything about a house, the electrical wiring, plumbing, roofs, drainage issues. I am not an expert in those crafts. A home that has sturdy and safe to live in is a priority for my family and me.

  • Aix Sponsa

    I wonder what the comments would be if the news media reported that 3 people died from contaminated lemonade, or accidently poisoned cookies? How would you feel if it were child that died, or if your child that sold the poison? Use some balance in your thinking.

    • Lewis Munn

      I suspect the child vendors sample their own product enough such a problem would be caught rapidly!

      But we DO have real problems with big companies selling unfit products, often knowingly, to make more profit, and getting their giant wrists gently slapped only.

    • libertytrain

      They are still selling us cantaloupes, peanuts, chicken, lettuce, spinach, etc. I wonder how many people are going to die because of the cantaloupes…. I don’t recall ever reading about kids killing people with their lemonade. Do you?

    • DaveH

      What if a licensed business sold you a tainted drink? Would you be any less dead?
      So we should give up our Freedom in order to gain the Illusion of Security?

      • libertytrain

        yes, those cantaloupes, etc., seem to be proof of the illusion.

    • DaveH

      And AIX, you can “balance” your thinking all you want. But butt out of my thinking process. I will make my own decisions without the Force of some Ignorant Liberals, Thank you.
      Ignorant Liberals, by the way, who can’t even grasp the fact that Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried, but still they keep trying over and over in the Hopes (and Dreams) that this time it will work (definition of insanity).

      • dan

        DaveH, can you tell us what system of government does work?

    • TML

      “contaminated lemonade, or accidently poisoned cookies”

      Ya know… that happens in my kitchen ALL the time. :P

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I must say, I have seen lemonade stands since I was a little boy, for over 50 years now, and I have yet to see anyone get sick, let alone get poisoned from a little kids lemonade stand. But I have seen people get sick and die from tainted medicine, pork, beef, eggs and other things that we buy off the grocery shelf every stinking day. Your comment is out of line.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The post preceding this post should have been after Aix Sponsa’s post about the child poisoning lemonade stand, but it got up here somehow.

    • Jay

      Aix, you should try using some balance in your reasoning! Poisoned lemonade? What’s next, children with exploding shoes? LMAO!

      • DaveH

        Only if the Government uses them for the next False-Flag event, Jay.

  • Aix Sponsa

    I wonder what the comments would be if the news media reported that 3 people died from contaminated lemonade, or accidently poisoned cookies? How would you feel if it were your child that died, or if your child that sold the poison? Use some balance in your thinking.

    • DaveH

      Are you nagging us?

    • dan

      Aix, it’s that kind of paranoid thinking that has enabled our lawmakers to continue wrting laws that remove or stifle our freedoms. The article did not mention any deaths from lemonade sales…where did you get that? Come on. it’s a dang lemonade stand!

    • JeffH

      cognitive dissonance

    • Wu Ming Ren

      What, then, is your answer to the frequent illnesses brought to us by food products produced by licensed companies? Listeria, C. botulinum, E. coli, Salmonella, and more have been causing illness and death year after year. I’m not suggesting that lemonade stands can’t be likewise contaminated, after all, how many kids actually wash their hands thoroughly after picking a nose or wiping a butt?

      When my daughters, now ages 8 and 9, attempted to make lemonade to sell on the sidewalk out in front of our house last year, I talked them into letting me buy them some cheap canned soda (costing less than 25 cents per can, and using their own savings from their commissions for doing chores around the house) and selling them from an ice chest filled with homemade ice chunks. I washed the ice chest with soap and water, rinsed it with food-grade sanitizer, and had them fill Zip-Loc bags with filtered tap water to freeze in the freezer. They had fun. Drank several cans themselves. Sold a few. And ended up paying for their initial investment, but without too much profit to show for the effort. This year, they were not so interested in running their little business again. They did an analysis of the foot traffic and realized that it wasn’t worth the many hours of sitting out in the front yard.

      Now, if only we can get the Obama administration to understand the principle of return on investment. Maybe then he won’t keep pushing “green energy.” Ah, but I forgot. It’s not about the “green energy” for this administration; it’s about transferring wealth.

    • Jay

      Aix Sponsa stated: I wonder what the comments would be if the news media reported that 3 people died from contaminated lemonade, or accidently poisoned cookies? How would you feel if it were your child that died, or if your child that sold the poison? Use some balance in your thinking.

      Spoken like a true insurance salesman Aix! Btw, are you selling policies for any of the unforeseen’s mentioned above? You putz!

      • Jadaxx

        “Jay says:
        October 14, 2011 at 4:26 pm
        Jadaxx, a theologian you are not! We can clearly see that, and for that reason, your idiotic extrapolations will not be held against you. However, do yourself a favour, in the future, keep your mouth shut, avoid writing about a subject you have little understanding of and that you have totally misconstrued, and you’ll avoid considerable embarrassment. Just my two cents…”

        Thank you for your “two cents…” I never claimed to be a theologian I was simply quoteing Jesus in the New Testament and asking a question. However your “Un-American” statement “keep your mouth shut” clearly shows which side you are on.

        • Jay

          Jadaxx, you can be on the right side, and still commit unspeakable damage! Some times, it is better to keep silent! I apologize if i hurt your feelings.

          • Jadaxx

            Thank you.

            Please explain how truth or being on the “right side” is able to commit unspeakable damage. Why is keeping silent better? Is America an open and honest society committed to free speech or not? Is there some veil of secrecy, that of which we dare not speak?

          • Jay

            Before i answer your question, answer me this? What do you mean by the “right side”?

          • Jadaxx

            Jay says:
            October 14, 2011 at 7:38 pm
            Before i answer your question, answer me this? What do you mean by the “right side”?

            You used the term “right side” first; I just used it because it was part of your statement. What did you mean by “right side”?

    • Karolyn

      Aix – People have gotten poisoned by medications created in sterile environments. You’re gonna worry about a kid selling lemonade – or a church bake sale?(I’m sure that’s happening somewhere.) That is living in paranoia.

      • libertytrain

        I was just thinking about all those bake sales. I wonder how long it will take to eliminate them as well.

  • robert shrugged.

    for all the people who think the government is concerned about helping the poor and teaching the young. you will now know that the only thing the government wants is to dictate to the people and run us like hitlers gestapo did. government is following the style of the liberals, socialists, and the progressives and that is to do as we dictate and bow down to our government. our founding fathers founded this nation on the idea of freedom, but our governments now what us to be slaves to them. if you do not believe it go back and read the post.

  • FreedomFighter

    2 Timothy 3

    King James Version (KJV)

    2 Timothy 3

    1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

    7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.

    10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

    11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

    12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

    13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

    15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203&version=KJV

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Lewis Munn

      The evil ones will not even read your post, least they be convicted in their hearts!

    • Jadaxx

      King James Version (KJV)
      Deuteronomy 22:20-21

      20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

      21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die : because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

      http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/deuteronomy/passage.aspx?q=deuteronomy+22:13-21

      If you really believe the Bible you also believe you must follows God’s order and stone your wife to death with your buddies if she is not a virgin on your wedding night?

      • Wu Ming Ren

        Old Covenant v. New Covenant. When Jesus died for us on the cross, he was the Supreme Sacrifice for us, that the yoke of the Law (Old Covenant) would be lifted from us. Before you quote from the Bible, you need to perhaps study it. I do encourage you to read it, study it, and find salvation through Jesus Christ.

        • FreedomFighter

          Amen

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

        • Jadaxx

          I was simply quoting what is stated in the Bible, but if you want to ignore what is in it and you just like the New Testament part, may I have your opinion on what you think you must do to have eternal life. According to the New Testament of the King James Version Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

          Jesus clearly states, you must sell everything you have and give it to the poor, even if you accept Jesus to be perfect, you still must abandon all your earthly possessions’.

          Just so I understand you, you do intend to follow what Jesus says and sell all your possessions and give to the poor so you can have eternal life, correct?

          • Jay

            Jadaxx, a theologian you are not! We can clearly see that, and for that reason, your idiotic extrapolations will not be held against you. However, do yourself a favour, in the future, keep your mouth shut, avoid writing about a subject you have little understanding of and that you have totally misconstrued, and you’ll avoid considerable embarrassment. Just my two cents…

        • James

          Sins that were not capital offenses were forgiven, but not capital offense sins. See 1 John 5:16-17.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The Old Testament you need to understand, was when we were under the Law, mankind that is. Jesus Christ came and died on the cross, the final sacrifice, the ultimate sacrifice, and now we are under the Grace of God, not the Law of Moses. If we were still under the law of Moses, I dont think there would be enough lambs and goats on the earth to sacrifice to cover all the sinning we do these days. Do you? And we dont need to sacrifice animals for our sins anymore, as God as already atoned for them by the blood of Jesus. All we have to do is accept Him, and in that way, our sins are cleansed and forgiven. No more sacrificing animals. We are now under God’s grace. Do you understand the difference? Just as in the Old Testament, you werent allowed to eat certain animals, as they were considered unclean, but in the New Testament, Acts 10:9-16, that was all changed also. Please read, and ask for understanding, and God will give it.

        • Jadaxx

          Thank you for the lead to Acts 10:9-16, especially 15 where God apparently reversed the earlier commands, Leviticus 11:5-12, and has now “cleansed” all the food.

  • Carol J

    I was in Campfire Girls from 7 until I was 16. We sold the Campfire Girls candy each year. I was able to open my first savings account at 7, and also paid my own way to summer camp 3 years in a row. It sure couldn’t happen now. A girl wouldn’t dare go door to door these days. We need to go back to what we had during the 1940′s and the 1950′s.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      When I was in Little League Baseball, we used to sell 1.00 decals and 1.00 candy bars. Now they want the kids to sell 20.00 popcorn and restaurant books, mainly because of insurance costs. But if you gave the kids $1.00 items to sell, they might have to walk to more house, but they would sell a whole lot more, because almost everyone will part with a buck for a good cause, but not a whole lot of people want to part with a twenty.

  • Average Joe

    I live on a rural street (part dirt, part paved) about six miles from town. A couple of years ago, 5 of my neighbors decided to pool their stuff and have a yard sale. Needless to say,a “code enforcement” officer stopped by, bought a few things and then proceeded to issue citations to all of the neighbors for “hawking” without a license (a $50 fine per,the permit it turns out, costs $75 good for one month). He then immediately contacted the local sherriff’s office to report this illegal activity. As the neighbors began to take down the tables, they were told not to touch anything, the police were on the way… to document everything. Well, the police showed up photographed everything and then proceeded to load all of the yard sale items into a van as the neighbors looked on in amazement. They were told that this was to be used as evidence, but that they could get it all back, after they paid the fines. everything was tagged as to who the owner was. After paying the fines and got a release order from the county clerks office, the neighbors went to collect their stuff…who woulda thought?…about half of their stuff was missing…er… misplaced. So, not only did they not make any money, they had to pay a $50 fine each and had their belongings pilfered. What a racket!

    The government, whether local, state or Federal, has become the bull in the china shop…anything it touches is going to get broken…period.

    • DaveH

      It’s plain and simple — They are Organized Crime. The Biggest Gang in the Land.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They have the license to steal, and the force to back it up. Unfortunately. But we, the people, have the power to rid ourselves of them, again and again and again if we have to, until they either do away with us, or they decide to do it right.

    • Wu Ming Ren

      Your story reminds me of something that happened in a small suburb of Minneapolis. My sister, who worked for the city police department, told me that a man had been arrested for shoplifting at the local grocery store. On a Saturday, he had lifted a pile of steaks, which were marked as evidence and placed in the refrigerator in the break room for safekeeping. At some point during the weekend, the intrepid officers discovered the steaks in the fridge and had themselves a barbecue. On Monday, the case against the shoplifter was dismissed due to lack of evidence. No charges were filed against the hungry morons.

      • Average Joe

        Too funny!

    • Average Joe

      Every time I think about the incident, I think about Arlo Guthrie in “Alice’s Restaurant”…. And they took 27… 8 x10 photographs , with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us…. “Hey kid, what did you get?”….”I didn’t get nothin’, I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage”.
      I still watch that every year on Thanksgiving…it’s a tradition for me.
      Just another case of American blind justice….lol

      • Karolyn

        Love that movie!

  • Bob

    Kids opening up a lemonade stand is good for business. They learn a little bit about marketing, finance, production and most importantly, what doesn’t work. They should be encouraged to sell girl scout cookies and the other fundraisers. It will help them in their efforts later. It is sad to see these liberal government officials fining them and making them obey stupid bureaucratic regulations ($ 50 permits). Well, they also learn at an early age that government is the enemy of mankind.

  • robert shrugged.

    lewis mumm I want to tell you that when we created public ecucation and unionised them you created uneducated people who do not have any common sense.

  • dan

    Once again I am disappointed to see the name calling. Folks, we are a diverse group of HUMAN BEINGS. Conservative or Liberal or whatever, does it really matter. All of us VOTERS have put those people in positions of power. They seem to play all of us, which is evident by the constant bashing over liberal or conservative philosphies. Can’t you all see that? Divide and Conquer? Takes on a whole new meaning when you look at it as Govenments Vs. The American People, rather than Liberal vs. Conservative. Closing down a kid run lemonade stand…come on! what does being a liberal or conservative have to do with that. Rather, what kind of Government monster would even consider such a petty industry as an issue..think about it. Quit pointing the finger at your fellow citizen and start looking at the real source of the problems in this country. You know who they are.
    Besdies, where can you find a cold beverage for $.25 these days.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I for one, second your nomination. I just wish somehow we could get President Obama and the democrats to read your post, and abide by it. Then I am sure, the finger pointing would stop, if they would quit it.

      • Jadaxx

        A curious statement “Then I am sure, the finger pointing would stop, if they would quit it.”

        I’ll stop, but only if you stop first.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not curious at all. Everyone knows who the finger pointers are. Everyone, including you. They have been doing it for years. And you know who they are. And they are still placing blame today, after 3 years of no plans and no actions other than to grow government and make things worse, much worse. And still, the fingers are pointing. We all know who they are. Im not pointing fingers, Im expressing facts that evidence backs up, not opinions. Are things better now than they were 3 years ago? Fact, unemployement up over 10 percent from 4.5 percent. Jobs down, wars up, spending up, stock market down. Facts are facts, no finger pointing needed here pal.

          • Jadaxx

            Finger pointing will never stop. Blaming someone else will always be a human/political strategy. As long as the water can be muddied enough it usually works. Over zealot Democrats will always blame Republicans and over zealot Republicans will always blame Democrats. Meanwhile the rest of us, I’ll guess 80% that are somewhere in between the differing radical factions, will continue to pay the price. A third choice appears from time to time, but just can’t break through the barriers.

  • RMW

    For once, I agree with this idiots observations. Yup, the lemon aid stand thing has happened here in SoCal, too, and yup, it is beyond the ridiculous.

    • DaveH

      I’m sure that Chip appreciates your fellowship.

      • Jay

        Don’t you first have to be a good-fellow of sorts? But i suspect it’s just a hit and run with this cockroach!

  • Luke

    Good point Chip, I remember those days walking down the side of the road looking for empty bottles to turn in for their deposits, my sister and I used to make quite a bit of change by doing that.
    For me I spent my money on candy,Coke and windup rubber band airplanes,my parents always taught me never expect something for nothing and that you had to work hard to get what you wanted..
    Yes it’s true, that state and federal governments are too involved in family matters, I believe that is actually what caused the breakdown in the family unit in this country.
    In Washington state where I’m at, the children learn from their peers that if you’re parent punishes you you can call the police and tell them that you’re being abused and the parent gets arrested and I have to tell you that is a fact.
    I have a brother-in-law that went to jail twice for disciplining his two teenage daughters, he simply grounded them and restricted their access to friends, they complained reported that they were being abused and my brother-in-law was arrested because it was state policy to do so.
    Needless to say my brother-in-law doesn’t discipline his children any longer because he’s afraid to.
    Now one of those girls is in prison for accessory to murder.
    yes, now children don’t have to earn their money, and you discipline them at your own risk.
    The government is destroying families and now our country.
    To tell you the truth I’m just waiting for the first shot to be fired.

  • robert shrugged.

    without disipline you get murders,theives,con men,drug addicts,drug pushers,and all other kinds of evil things. spare the rod and spoil the child and you get all of the above. the bible teaches us much, but we ignore it and you see the results.

  • stRanger

    My, what a ring of hardened criminals kids are! I guess selling lemonade is covered under the RICO Act but the Big Brother Thugocracy can sell all the Kool-Aid it wants.

    If these little Johnnys and Susies had wrapped their stands in red bunting and plastered them with photos of His Holeyness Barack the First the Gov Thugs would have rewarded them rather than punish them.

    Where are the defenders of America and the Constitution in these days of the rise of Communism? They’re busy rousting 8 year old kids and terrorizing their parents for heinous acts like selling non government approved Kool-Aid. They’ve been known to raid high school dances so they can shove around cummerbund encumbered teens and grope the Prom Queen. (Do TSA Agents grope each other when they fly?)

    Kids aren’t usually armed. Pro-Communist groups frequently are. Our “defenders” take on the “threat” they can defeat: 8 year olds armed with Styrofoam cups and plastic pitchers.

    What’s next? An FDA SWAT team fast roping down from Stealth equipped Black Hawk choppers and taking down li’l Jenny at gun point?

    Flamin’ cowards.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Hmmm. In my town there were a number of Lemonade Stands–they conducted their “business” and made money. Two little girls had a stand on the next street over. No one bothered them.

  • Stunned at sunset

    “July 17: Police in Appleton, Wis., inform children that despite legally selling lemonade and cookies in their front yard during an annual city festival for the past several years, a new city ordinance bans these sales. The reason? To protect licensed vendors from competition.”

    An example of the definition of “Fascism.”

    Chip,

    Where are the Federal, State, and local authorities getting this S#!T? Do they all attend Elitist-sponsored seminars to be trained in “The Art of Browbeating?”

    I’m sorry, but I support the “Occupy Everything” movement in this country. These people have lost consciousness! They’re just a bunch of humanoid androids responding to programming.

  • William Fowler

    When I was about 10 years old, in the mid fifties, I had a lemonade stand. I bought the lemons and sugar with my own money. We didn’t have any prepackaged lemonade then. I determined how much it cost to make a pitcher of lemonade and how many cups I could get from a pitcher. This told me what I could fairly price a cup for and make a reasonable profit. I taught myself what to do. I also learned how to sell the lemonade to passersby. rather than just sit by and hope someone would by from me, I sold the virtue of cold, refreshing, healthy lemonade and a hot day. The whole experience provided lessons in business,
    budgeting, customer relations, marketing. Basic as it was, it provided a valuable foundation for my life.
    For over four decades, now, I have been a commercial spokesman in advertising. The freedom of expression (unencumbered by governmental interference), in my formative years, were critical in my life decisions. Governmental meddling in our affairs is at a crises in political correctness. Before you know it, we’ll all be required to ware a crash helmut to take a shower.

  • FreedomFighter

    Listening to the News:

    OBAMA DECLARES WAR ON CHRISTIANS IN UGANDA.

    WTF!

    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Antonio

    Yes, when I was a kid in Colombia my father worked in a factory all day long and for nothing really, Colombia didn’t pay much back then and still doesn’t. My mother started cooking hamburgers and chicken and selling lunches and dinners at home. She had 3 tables outside on the sidewalk and people would come and sit down and order a burger or chicken and salad. My mother still does this today. In fact, almost everybody does in Colombia and just about everywhere i have gone in Mexico too. I am not sure if it is against the law down there, but cops do come and eat there too. The problem we have here in the states is mainly the police. The police are supposed to protect our rights and the constitution (protect and serve the people), but really all they do is sit down and say “gee, I just enforce the law, I don’t make them” The police need to unite and stand up strong and say “NO, we are not going to enforce this law, it violates the constitution”. Instead it is backwards, the police “protect and serve” the law makers and look at the people as their ENEMIES.

  • JeffH

    This 63 Year Old Cartoon Depicts America Today…
    http://godfatherpolitics.com/1006/63-year-old-cartoon-depicts-america-today/

    • FreedomFighter

      Islam-ism

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Jack

    gustopa police state! just like I been saying. What do you expect from a communist mosulem???????????????

  • http://wfwilson6@msn.com Bill

    What if they joined a union?? Would that make it OK??

  • Steve

    I Support the Kids.

    WHAT NEXT!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I happened to come across 2 young boys and a little girl, who set up a lemonade stand on the porch of a business in Findlay Lake, New York while I was on a Labor Day vacation weekend, on the porch of a place doing wine tasting. I admired the oldest boy, maybe 9 years old at the most, taking a 5 dollar bill from a guy, then counting out the change by saying, 50 cents, 75 cents, 1 dollar, with 3 quarters, then 2, 3, 4, and 5 with one dollar bills. That young man could do what full grown teenagers cant do at the local McDonalds. They cannot figure change without the computerized cash register telling them. I was impressed with the lad. Good for him, and damn any government interference which would hinder him from doing this. Shame on you gub’mint types that would do this.

  • Jay

    Well, this is what happens when you have EVIL IDIOTS running the country!

  • Mark

    I feel the problem with law makers is they simply don’t have any common sense. Common sense went out the window years ago when some people elected such idiots to office. We were poor when I was a kid and I mowed people’s lawns for $2.00 to $5.00 to help out the family and people thought that was an admirable trait, now people think it’s a crime, and everyone wonders what’s wrong with America ? Just look around you and use your God given common sense, then do things within your power to correct these atrocities aimed at your children !

  • DavidWallace

    I think the ‘zero tolerance’ mentality is responsible for these decisions. People forget there is the Rule of Law and the Letter of Law. Rule of Law is the intent of the legislation while the Letter of Law is the actual wording, usually broad so it can be applied in extreme circumstances.

    While they may be in violation of the Letter of Law they certainly are not in violation of the Rule of Law. I can’t imagine anyone seriously believing these kid lemonade stands are a threat to the profits of Coca Cola or other big companies. Even the local 7-11 isn’t going to lose that much business to them.

  • jopa

    I remember about three years ago down the street from us, a little boy was selling lemonade from his little red wagon parked on the sidewalk.It was a hot day the drink was warm no ice in sight but the look on his face when he made a sale.That was just too precious.The most memorable lemonade I ever had.

    • Jay

      Well said Jopa!

  • Freedom

    REALLY!! What is WRONG with the U.S.A.? Have we lost our minds and taken it out on the kids for selling lemonade?? This government has to be REPLACED and hopefully for the best!! I put my life on the line in Vietnam for FREEDOM not this mess.
    I guess the police have nothing better to do, either!! Are the donuts and coffee too expensive so they take it out on the KIDS of America!!?? Get serious people. We’ve got to stop this stupidity!!

  • allosaur

    Why are those kids in the photo smiling? We need to pour their lemonade out and then to smash their stand as they look on in handcuffs, laughing our heads off as they cry. Bwahaha! That will teach those little punks to respect us big tough police officers!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Youve just brought a brilliant educational thought to my mind. We should take these kids who have the motivation to do lemonade stands, and when they are done for the day, take half their money and give it to the kids down the streets who dont feel like working a lemonade stand, and then explain to them that this is how the democratic party works, because that is exactly how they do work. Take from those who work and give to those who wont. A good fine educational moment.

  • Song

    I’ll tell ya what. These kids would be part of what is now being called the 53%. Most of these adult protesters are the 99%. The difference is all in their attitudes.

  • Don

    I like the article. I wish somebody had some advice on what to do about it. This is truly idiotic.

  • John Wirts

    The problem is with All government agencies especally those with power to enact ordences, is that they never consider unintended consequences. All ordences should pass many tests before even being considered for adoption.
    1. Is it needed, or would it be better to consider another means to accomplish your goal.
    2. How much will it cost to enforce compliance and are monies available for this?
    3. Are there ordences on the books which no longer have any meaning(Blue Laws). California had a law on the books until at least the late 70′s requiring all cars tohave a pair of gloves in the glove compartment, held over from the time all cars were started by hand cranking. With the advent of the electric starter and abandoment of the crank, gloves were no longer needed but legally required for decades.

    Whatis needed is to remove at least one old law or ordence for every new law or ordence proposed. To verify the necessity for all laws or ordences by checking for enforcement and compliance. If there are not police or inspectors to enforce compliance and there no violation of the laws or ordences, then keeping them on the books is wasteful and serve only to put otherwise law abiding citizens in violation of rules which serve no useful purpose, but allow government officals to give undeserved priviledge to supporters.

  • D Dude

    Boy a lot of comments. Can’t read them all so I’ll just add my 2-cents. We want safe food etc
    and we want them to do their job and the control necessary to do the job involves rules, regulations, and laws that everyone is supposed to obey. May I suggest that all of these institutions unite to purchase one yearly license that each group may use legally obtaining inspection/testing of food & drinks to be sold and then everyone will know it is safe. You know,
    they use plastic gloves, washed the fresh lemons before squeezing out the juice in a sanitized
    juicer and putting it all in a sanitized container to be poured into unused, new paper cups & so
    forth. There are procedures for everything in order to keep down the microbes and any possibility of infections and food borne illnesses. The sellers will feel better too knowing they are selling a safe product and maybe able to add to an increase in selling price accordingly. With pride they may display their license etc. and get even more customers.

    • Song

      D Dude: Was your comment an attempt at satire or are you just completely anal? How in heaven’s name did anyone ever get through life without all of the rules and regs that you just mentioned in simply serving a cup of lemonade? Why do people think you can get through life completely sanitary and safe? What a joke!

    • Antonio

      @Dumb Dude… Do you really think that by paying $50 for a permit is going to make the lemonade “safe”? No, it wont make it safe. There isn’t any law or regulation that is going to make any food “safer” for anyone. That’s just pure stupidity and you believe it. If you would like i can buy a permit and then sell you a fresh glass of homemade lemonade that i just pissed in, would that make you happy :)?
      By the way, they regulate adult video stores; so it will be ok for you to go to a glory hole booth and get yourself a “safe” load of sperm. After all adult video stores pay their permits don’t they? Therefore i am sure that they are legally obtaining inspection/testing (offensive wording removed) and then everyone will know it is safe.
      your an idiot.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Antonio, Ther was never any ordinances in our municipality until they did a study and found burning leaves causes Cancer, they then ordered us to purchase a permit when/if we were going to burn leaves off, we are told when we can burn them and how, I asked one of our Police one time, if the permit and the money to pay for it, will stop us from getting cancer when we burn leaves? He looked at me in disbelief & just snickered, He said “Ma’am I don’t make the Laws, I just enforce them, but I know where your coming from!”

    • Angel Wannabe

      D.Dude, did ya ever stop to think that the more ya keep germs down, the sicker we get?__Did Ya ever hear of building an immunity to germs?__ and do you have an FDA inspector in your kitchen, to tell ya, ya have a bad piece of chicken or can ya figure it out for yourself?
      Geeze old man,…. It’s all about the money duuuuuuude, open up them eyes!!!

  • Pappy

    For America to once again become productive, a slashing and restructuring of government at every level is mandated. These useless rules and regulations foster nothing but wasteful spending and padding the worthless politicians bank accounts. Why do the people of this country allow these malingerers to accomplish nothing more than what drops from the backside of a bull? This insane behavior is leading our nation toward a quick swirl down a filthy toilet and its ultimate demise. Term limits and productivity, or else.

  • James

    I think what the government is afraid of is that such lemonade stands might become successful enough to hire the kid next-door, and thus create a job. The Feds should charge $1395.99 for lemonade stand licenses and tax the profits at 60 percent to stop this entrepreneurship madness once and for all.

  • http://www,theperiledsea.com Larry Calcutt

    Someone is missing the boat on this subject.
    What would happen if the county were to have a 50$ fee for filing and processing a compliant about a Barkng dog, kids selling cookies or a local Lemonaid stand by the kids down the street.? Perhaps that would be a little too much to pay to complain about anything that really dosent matter all that much.
    I’ll bet the complains and the revenue to the city would drop to zero very quickkly.

    Larry in Torontp

    • libertytrain

      interesting concept — I like it.

  • G. G.

    John, in CA, Glad to learn I’m not the only onewho’se eccentric. I hunt deer with a Springfield Model 1884 single shot black powder rifle. Like it, I’m old, and we both work quite well, thank you.

  • jopa

    Song;You have your thoughts all twisted.If these kids were in the 53% they would be paying taxes.It is the 53% that started the attack on the kids because they have to pay the tax and the kids are not and may be cutting into their bottom line.What it amounts to is local ordinances out of control.Before any law or any ordinance is passed the first thought should be, “will this action take away any liberties or freedom”.I believe it was LBJ that made that quote.

  • Nick from Mexico

    Great,,

    The empire is crumbling because the people have been dumbed down so they have no idea what’s going on and what planet they are living on.

    Just let the imbeciles and crooks from Washington and Wall Street manipulate you and soon you’ll be on the level of Bangladesh and Albania.

    This is how the empires have gone down in flames : Athens, Rome, The Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians, The Nazis, The Soviets and now the American Scull and Bones and Washington scum brotherhoods!

    Wake up America before it’s too late!

    Saludos from Mexico

    Nick

  • CJM

    What better way to extend communistic agendas through our children. First, get them in the classroom; next, grab them at home and threaten parents and grandparents with fine and jail sentences when these adults try and protect their young. Once the children are thoroughly indoctrinated, they are taught how to turn on their parents and recognize only that the government is the BMOC and God as well.

  • Apostate

    I’m an Ausie and I was thinking of taking a vacation in the US. Now I’m not so sure. It’s looking more and more like a Communist country, with an incompetent, bankrupt Zionist-controlled mafia strangling Personal Freedom and Free Enterprise.

    Former communist countries, that regained their freedom, on the other hand, like Lithuania and Czech Republic are a delight to visit. Political Correctness is unheard of!

  • Sam

    Dear Chip,

    Try to find a recycling center to take in all those cans and bottles. You can’t!

    • libertytrain

      that’s funny, you’re right, I hadn’t thought about that for years, yet a few weeks ago, we had to return all our bottles in Germany for their deposits…how funny, it didn’t seem peculiar, just like old times.

  • Cawmun Cents

    Just defend the lemonade stand with machineguns from
    “fast and furious”,and the gubment will shut the hell up.-CC.

  • DaveH

    I was watching one of the Fox Business Network programs, and the Liberals were still blaming Bush for current conditions. Will these people ever accept responsibility? This is exactly why Free Markets work and Government-restricted markets don’t. With Unfree Government controlled markets, there’s always the blame-fest, and incessant debate about who is responsible for what. With Free Markets, if a firm doesn’t deliver they lose business. The customers don’t care whose fault it is within the firm, they just find a firm that can get the job done right.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Touch em all big guy, you just hit one out of the park.

  • Robert Button

    I think if you look into this a little closer, it’s not just a war on Lemonade, and Girl Scout Cookies. In Pennsylvania, when the Gas Drillers began coming in to drill in the Marcellus Shale, the State quickly put up signs on all Secondary Roads declaring they had a 10 ton limit. Forcing the Gas Drillers to pay big bucks for special waivers drive their trucks on the roads.
    This kind of backfired for numerous small businesses in the state, since they too have a lot of trucks and machinery that weights over the 10 ton limit, that they’ve been using on these road for decades, before the gas drillers came. Unlike the gas Drillers they don’t have the Money to pay for the waivers.

  • Verus Langham

    While staying the summer at my grampa’s farm back in the early part of 1950, my uncle and I decided we needed to make some money. Like your experience the locale was very rural and we did not have any marketing research which would verify there’d be ample customers zooming down that lonesome blacktop 14 miles from the nearest town of any size.. we set up a watermelon stand by the road and proudly displayed our booty recently harvested from Grampa’s melon patch. It did not matter that we’d somehow skipped the ethical concept of asking him if we could sell his melons – those we had taken were by rights were now ours to sell, right? Wrong, and a lesson long-remembered that for an enterprise to include no ethical guidance in its inception was doomed from the beginning… we sold zero and as a consequence had to consume all that we’d irreverently taken – Grampa was a forgiving person but he also was frugal and would not allow for waste of his crops.
    I rather think that the real purpose of those city officials and police officers actions was to build a case for private sales of any sort that took revenues from brick and mortar establishments – much like what government is doing today with the taxation of products sold by large corporations across the internet… the federal government is now launching their latest attempt at that by passing legislation to impose the taxes on goods sold to customers within the states on out-of-state business concerns…. “leveling the playing field,” as they have stated their case for the new legislation’s acceptance as the law of the land. It is again just a consequence of bureaucrats advancing the socialist agenda to control the flow of goods and the centralizing of the money into places that are more manageable from a taxation stance. Next there will be crackdowns on “farmers’ markets”, yard/garage/and roadside fresh produce sales by the farmers in rural communities. Ultimately when you or I want to sell some item we no longer want or need but feel we can surely reclaim a modicum of our invested dollars, say in a newspaper ad or a note appended to a laudromat bulletin board, we will have to buy a license to sell that item and pay taxes on the proceeds. You all know the drill, a harsh taskmaster left unchecked only gets more severe in his demands.. much like those now negotiating our rules for redistribution of the wealth of the haves to the have-nots.

  • ruprickt

    Not one incident of Jose being sited for selling oranges on the corner, interesting.

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