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GOP Senators Block Vote On DADT Legislation

December 13, 2010 by  

GOP Senators block vote on DADT legislationSenate Republicans have blocked a Democratic bid to open debate on a defense authorization bill that would repeal "don't ask, don't tell" (DADT).

On Dec. 9, Senators voted 57-40 to discuss legislation that would eliminate the ban on openly gay individuals serving in the military. The bill needed 60 votes to be considered. The repeal of DADT is one part of a broad defense bill that would authorize $726 billion for military spending next year. GOP Senators recently said they would filibuster all legislation until a tax cut extension package and a Federal spending proposal were passed.

On Dec. 10, Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned that a failure to repeal DADT will leave the military vulnerable if the issue is challenged in court. A Federal judge in California ruled the law unconstitutional in October and ordered the military to lift the ban, which prompted some recruiters to process openly gay and lesbian applicants for enlistment. At the request of President Barack Obama's administration, a United States Circuit Court of Appeals rescinded the military's order to recruiters.

Gates believes that judicial procedures would create confusion among military personnel about enforcement of the ban, which is why he believes that Congress should act on the legislation. A report filed by the Pentagon earlier this month concluded that a repeal of DADT would not have adverse effects on military readiness.

According to a national opinion poll conducted by USA Network, one in four Americans believes that the country has gone too far in providing rights for homosexuals, while another 25 percent are satisfied with the policies as they currently stand. 

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  • http://naver samurai

    Good. Remember that DADT is the law and shouldn’t be repealed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Devil Dog

      Was it not God that created Equality? Is a man or women less of a person because he or she is of a different color, race, sexual orientation or belief? Do we still believe that women belong only in the kitchen? Do we believe that children are not born into addiction?

      • bill

        It was also God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah!

        • eddie47d

          Then it’s time to put God to the test. A strong Christian should be ready and shouldn’t accept any form of discrimination. The stench of prejudice has been around for too long and it must be ended. This shouldn’t be a question of Republican vs. Democrat or left or right. They should be voting for what is in the best interest of equality and not being divisive in pitting any American against another.

        • Robert Smith

          From Bill: “http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html”

          That had nothing to do with folks being gay. It had everything to do with hospitality.

          Remember, Lott offered his virgin daughters and then knocked them up after the city was destroyed.

          Doesn’t sound like much of a hero to me.

          What kind of a god would approve of such a thing?

          BTW, what’s Gamority? Am I missing something, or was it the christian god missing Sodom by just that much on the first try?

          Rob

          • crystal

            God never approved of Lot’s daughter’s behavior. The truth of this is that after Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, Lot took his daughter’s to live in a cave. Lot’s daughter’s thought they would not ever know men and got their father (Lot) intoxicated. They went into their father. If you’re going to tell the story, go straight to the source. Also, where does it say God approved of this behavior. It’s time for you all to stop lying on God to suit your own desires.

          • http://naver samurai

            I agree with Crystal. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            For Lott to not have recognized his own kin for breeding activities, particularly his own daughters, it had to be a mirricle for him to be able to perform that drunk. So, his god had to approve or it just wouldn’t have happened.

            Rob

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            it was kind of like Oakland and San Fran.

          • Granny Mae

            Robert Smith,

            How do you come up with the idea that God had to approve of the actions of Lot and his daughters? This was all personal and free choice and God had no hand in it what so ever. If you know the whole story you know that God was so disgusted with Sodom and Gomorrah that he set out to destroy the cities and everyone that was in them. Abraham knew his nephew and family were living in Sodom. He spoke to the Lord and asked if he would sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are 50 righteous would he not spare the place for the fifty? God told him he would spare the whole city if he found 50 righteous. The dealing between the two of them continued until they got down to 10 and the Lord said he would spare the whole city if he found only 10. Unfortunatly there were not even 10 righteous to be found ! The two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting near the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. He asked the angels to come into his house and spend the night, they said no , that they would spend the night in the square. But Lot urged them strongly so they turned aside and entered his house and he prepared for them a feast . Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” Lot went out to them and shut the door behind him, and said , “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. He then offered his two virgin daughters to them instead! But the men told him to stand aside. They also said this one (meaning Lot) came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat him worse than them. So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. At that time the angels reached out and pulled Lot back into the room and shut the door. Then the angels struck the men blind both small and great. They then told Lot to get his family, sons and daughters and son-in-laws and whom ever he had in the city and bring them out of the place because they were about to destroy that place, because the outcry has become so great. Lot went and told his son-in-laws and daughters to get out of the city because the Lord was going to destroy the city but they thought he was jesting . In the morning the Angels told Lot to take his wife and two daughters that were with him and leave lest they be swept away in the punishment of the city. Lot hesitated so the men seized his hand and the hand of his wife and the hands of their two daughters for the compasion of the Lord was upon him, and they brought him out and put him outside the city, then one said to them Escape for your life! Do not look behind you and do not stay anywhere in the valley; escape to the mountains, lest you be be swept away. Now Lot , true to his form, begged the angels to let him escape to the small town of Zoar, because he was afraid he wouldn’t be able to make it to the mountains! The Lord granted him his request that he would not overthrow the town which he requested but told him to hurry because he could not do anything until he arrived there. But Lots wife from behind him looked back and became a pillar of salt ! So it came about when
            God destroyed the cities of the valley, that God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out of the overthrow. Then Lot went up from Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, with his two daughters with him for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. It was then that the daughters decided to sleep with their father seducing him after they had gotten him drunk. Both became pregnant. The oldest daughter bore a son and named him Moab, he is the father of the moabites. The younger daughter also gave birth to a son and called him Benn-ammi; he is the father of the sons of Ammon to this day. Now if you ask me the Lord had nothing to do with the decission of the daughters to seduce their father and it doesn’t look like it was too hard to do that. This is a decission of the individuals involved and not a mandate from the Lord ! You have to always keep in mind that we always have free will and make our own decissions. Just like no-one forced Lot to stay in Sodom. He could have left at any time but he didn’t ! In all the stories involving Lot I don’t see him as a person that makes real good choices. He even got himself kidnaped and Abraham had to go and rescue him and his whole family and group of people ! I don’t see anywhere , that it says God made any special agreements with Lot. So he did not take charge of his life but left him to do his own living. Now Abraham was different, he did have a covenant with Abraham and even Abraham messed up by listening to his wife instead of waiting on the word of the Lord. Because of that bad choice of Abraham, we are still living with the results of that bad choice ! The Muslims ! When we as Gods people make choices to live a sordid life such as they did in Sodom and Gomorrah you can bet we will come to the same end ! Look around you folks and what do you see?

        • Kyn

          Do you actually know why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? It had nothing to do with homosexuality. Don’t believe me? Then open up your Bible and actually read it–Ezekiel 16:49-50, specifically:

          “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.”

      • marvin

        Devil Dog
        and if you will read a little more about GOD he said it is a aboration for man to lay with man ,read about ,sodium and gomorrah and what happen,s,god forgives but never forgets,and if you think being gay is ok then then you do not belive in god,for god said it is a mortal sin for man to lay with man,

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Marvin, have you had a cheeseburger lately? Have you worn a mixed fabric? How many kids have you killed because it says it is OK in Laviticus?

          Those are streight “abominations” from there, but the one for same sex is certainly twisted and open to interpritation.

          Rob

          • crystal

            Nothing is open to interpretation. It’s pretty straight forward.

          • eggsbenedict

            Where does it say in the Book of Liviticus that it is ok to kill babies or your children? What Bible are you reading and which translation?

          • Jana

            Hmmm, Are you the same Robert Smith that CLAIMS to be a Christian in other posts?

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Robert, but only someone that is not knowledgeable in God would say things like this. You have misinterpreted what you have read. And I agree with my husband that gays are immoral and go against our Christian founding.

            “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington.

            “He that lives on hope will die fasting.” Benjamin Franklin.

            The first one is self explanitory and the second one sounds like ones that like President Obama and his policies. Wasn’t one of his slogans when he was campaigning “hope?” I guess after what happened last month, the liberals are close to dying. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            For eggs, you sort out the killing of kids,

            God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel’s death. Genesis 4:3-5

            Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.

            God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9

            Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.

            Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him. How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn’t give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7

            Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

            Exodus 12:29 God repeatedly tells Moses exactly what calamity he will next visit upon the Egyptians if the Pharaoh does not allow the Israelites to be set free from slavery. Then he tells Moses (also repeatedly) that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that he will refuse to allow the Israelites to go, thus bringing a calamity upon his own people, as well as showing him the awesome power of the Israelites’ Lord. This occurs over and over, bringing calamity upon calamity upon the Egyptian people. What is troubling about this verse is that when god “hardens the pharaoh’s heart” he is interfering with the Pharaoh’s free will and ultimately bringing punishment on the Egyptians for something they are not responsible for. As a final punishment god decides to kill all the first born of Egypt. The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his “omnipotent” power.

            God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, unto the third and fourth generations. Punishing a child for the sins of their ancestors is not very just. Exodus 20:5&34:7

            God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as Okaying beating them. Exodus 21:2-6

            God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting! Exodus 21:7

            Exodus 22:18 God orders the death of witches, sorceresses and anyone who practices magic. Sadly enough, this verse was justification for the Inquisition.

            Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf. I don’t know about you but death is a pretty harsh (offensive word removed) punishment.

            Leviticus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents and death for adultery. Gee, with these types of laws the population should be almost nil by now.

            Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot. Leviticus 20:13

            Handicapped people must not approach the altar. Leviticus 21:16-23

            Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.”

            Leviticus 27:28-29 God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.

            Numbers 16:27 God buries alive Korah and his family.

            Numbers 16:35 God killed 250 Levite princes who disagreed with Moses’ leadership. He was so bloodthirsty that he wanted to slay more until he was talked out of it. Later he put a plague upon 14,700 Jews who thought there was something wrong in killing 250 princes.

            Numbers 21:1-3 God utterly destroyed the Canaanites at Hormah as a favor to the Jews.

            Numbers 21:27-35 God abetted Moses in utterly destroying the Amorites at Heshbon – “…the men, the women, and the little ones.”

            Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers.

            Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

            Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, “show no mercy unto them”.

            Deuteronomy 20:16 God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance

            A bastard can’t attend church “even to his tenth generation.” As if denying an innocent child rights to worship isn’t cruel. Deuteronomy 23:2

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            From Jana who asks: “Are you the same Robert Smith that CLAIMS to be a Christian in other posts?”

            On the contrary, I have stated many times that I don’t worship the same abusive god you worship.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert Smith
            Wow, thanks for clarifying that. Hooray for you. You win the door prize.

          • http://naver sook young

            Robert seems to be a person that only worships himself. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Jana

            sook young,
            EXACTLY.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey sook, at least I know I’m real.

            When is the last time you actually saw your hateful god?

            Rob

          • Granny Mae

            Robert Smith,
            Genesis 16:7-9. You took this passage out of context. If you were to read on you would see that Hagar was already pregnant. Those decissions had already been made by Sarai and Hagar and Abram. In Genesis 16: 11-12 it says that the angel told Hagar behold you are with child, and you shall bear a son; and you shall call his name Ishmael. Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction. And he will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone and everyones hand will be against him. And he will live to the east of all his brothers. So she was told to go back to her mistress and submit herself to her authority. You need to read carefully !

      • http://www.productivitysystems.com Steve Thompson

        …and yet God created each person as unique? I’ve a little trouble wrapping my mind around that conundrum. But all people do have worth. I continue to wonder why it’s the sexuality of gays and lesbians that they incessantly bring to the fore front every time they get the chance, whereas one’s sexuality is the last thing most of us is willing to discuss (about ourselves or others we meet casually). I can see why many people are uncomfortable with someone who flaunts his sexuality so casually – I’d run from anyone who brought the subject into a casual conversation – and I’d be equally uncomfortable being housed in military situations with women, pedophiles, or with anyone else to whom sex was such a dominant part of his (her) consciousness. There truly is a time and a place for everything. It is my own contention that the military is not a sexual venue. Not only regarding gays and lesbians – but all military (after all, the military also has banned sexual encounters between officers and enlisted personnel, between supervisors and their subordinates, the list goes on and on. I, for one, hope that Don’t ask don’t tell remains in place – not only for gays and lesbians, but for all military personnel.

        • http://personalliberty.com Joe Crespo

          Im sorry Steve . I misread your comments. I agree with you. I apologize for my error.

      • http://personalliberty.com Joe Crespo

        You miss the point. If you want to bring Our Christian God into this conversation( meaning what is written in the christian bible)then it’s clearly spelled out. Homosexuality is a sin! This the why the homosexual agenda wants to remove religion from our nation. LET ME MAKE IT VERY GRAPHIC! IF YOU THINK IT’S NORMAL FOR A MAN TO HAVE ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH ANOTHER MAN IS NORMAL THEN YOU ARE SICK. I FIND IT DISGUSTING!IN NATURE OR IN RELIGION WE ARE MADE TO MATE WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX! HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT NORMAL!

        • Robert Smith

          From YELLING Joe: ” LET ME MAKE IT VERY GRAPHIC! IF YOU THINK IT’S NORMAL FOR A MAN TO HAVE ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH ANOTHER MAN IS NORMAL THEN YOU ARE SICK.”

          What if a husband and wife have anal intercourse? What if they play a little 69?

          What if they do anything but the missionary position?

          Oh, that right, sex isn’t supposed to be fun but just for having baaaaaabbbbbeeeeeeesssss…

          Sheesh, if people weren’t suppos to have sex why did you god make it fun? It’s like I tell christian vegitarians, “If we weren’t supposed to eat animals why did you god make them out of meat?

          Rob

          • http://personalliberty.com Joe Crespo

            Here is my reply to you Mr Smith. You make my point. I assume you like women. Which is normal! and That’s exactly my point. What you do with your women should be kept private out of respect for her. We heterosexuals are not demanding equal rights to have anal intercourse with our female lovers. What you do with your female lover is your business. My objection is not what you do in private. My objection is the homosexuals who want to push their behaviour as normal and that we heterosexuals have to accept it. And that’s not acceptable.

          • Robert Smith

            “My objection is the homosexuals who want to push their behaviour as normal and that we heterosexuals have to accept it.”

            Heterosexuals do almost everything straight folks do. I guess you were never in a barracs when someone came back from a hot date.

            Most certainly straight guys brag. I’ve seen it a bunch and I generally don’t care unless there is a kid within earshot.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            Hey dumazz,
            Heterosexuals ARE straight!! Proof read your posts!!

          • Robert Smith

            Ah, so if a boy and girl do anything together, or either of them brags, then it’s OK.

            But if a same sex couple does something you don’t want to hear it.

            Well, I don’t like to hear all the talk about gays being killed on this forum, but I pay attention. With all that religious hate I think it’s a good thing that you self identify.

            Rob

          • Granny Mae

            Rob,

            According to the bible Gays have only one choice if they wish to be accepted by God and that choice is celebacy. Male or female !

        • Kyn

          The book of Leviticus is part of what is known as the Mosaic Law (the Law of Moses). The Mosaic Law dos not, has never and shall never apply to Gentiles (non-Jews).

          Furthermore, Robert Smith is correct inasmuch that according to the book of Leviticus eating cheeseburgers, bacon, shrimp scampi, and wearing polyester/cotton blend tee-shirts are the moral equivalent to gay male sex. Of course there are many that pick and choose what parts of Leviticus to trumpet about based on their bigotry–bigotry that has no place in Christianity.

          Remember that God is Love–not hate.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        sexual orientation is a choice; the other things are circumstances.

        • Robert Smith

          So is your version of christanit, bunner. It’s a choice. Hateful and bullying as it is you too can change.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert S,
            The only one hateful and bullying on this site is YOU. If you are a homo then fine. Just because you know a lot of names and numbers for what you do, doesn’t make you right. What you do in the privacy of your own bedroom is up to you, but the rest of the world doesn’t need to know. Just like the rest of the world doesn’t need to know what a straight does either.

          • Robert Smith

            As I’ve explained many times, I’m not gay. Why are you lying about me?

            And, who are you to even consider guessing? What are you qualifications? Or are you just another reich wing extremist christian who just buys into the hateful rhetoric?

            Rob

    • JTalbain

      at one point slavery was the law as well. Something being in the law doesn’t make it morally correct.

      • melatr7

        Besides rhyming, SIN and SKIN do not compare. I DO wish people would stop using that faulty analogy for justification.

        • Robert Smith

          Why is it faulty, melatr? There are strong theories that gays are born that way just as those with blue eyes, brown eyes, etc.

          Why are you so willing to discriminate? Is your religion too weak to have someone besides “us”. Does it exist to hate?

          That’s not the christanity I grew up with.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Why do you keep posting the same lies that have been proven invalid? The DNA question has already been proven false. Why do you always lie about gays and abortion? When are you going to answer my questions from November 15? I guess you must be scared of women. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            You didn’t disprove anything sook young.

            Let’s go to another source: “Scientists have said it might be that the mother develops some kind of resistance to the male Y chromosome in her offspring that makes subsequent baby boys more likely to be born gay.”

            That’s from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3735668.stm

            As for your little inquisition about abortion post ‘em again. I don’t remember all the garbage you spew on forums.

            Rob

          • eddie47d

            Sook; Where has the DNA question been proven false?

          • http://personalliberty.com Joe Crespo

            Reply to Robert Smith. Christianity does not condone homosexual sex. Look people. By nature , or religion we are designed to mate with the opposite sex. This is the normal standard.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberta
            Show me where it has been proven beyond a doubt!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey joe, prove your god is even real.

            All that hate in his name I can’t believe it just another excuse for bullying.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert S,
            No one has to prove anything to you. To try would be what the Bible calls “casting our pearls before swine.”
            I do know God is real, but I don’t know you at all, you sound like a phony and a real loser to me.

          • eddie47d

            Jana; Robert is bringing more facts to the table than you are. Ending a conversation with only “I believe” and that ends it doesn’t solve anything . No reply would have been better. I’ll admit I have done the same thing before but I’ve learned it’s best to not say anything. You made Robert look right and yourself uninformed.

      • crystal

        Stop dragging slavery into this issue. It’s not a sound argument.

        • http://naver samurai

          Hey rob! Maybe you should check out this taliban guy. He sounds just like some of your postings. Are you two bunk buddies or do you read the same left wing extremist sites? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          By the way taliban, if you are correct in your assumptions of something being right, then that would go for openly gay behavior and abortion as well doesn’t it? Got caught up in your own trap now didn’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            circles in circles, winding the hate tighter and tighter.

            Sheesh samurai when are you going to make any sense?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition … In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.
            – George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the United States, Vol 1. p. 497, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You’ve been mislead rob, moron! Since you want to quote Washington for your own twisted beliefs about America, don’t forget he also said:

            “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” NW Ordinance 1789.
            Showing gay things in school are against what Washington addressed in this document. Why don’t the libs want ethics classes like we used to have? Maybe because the gay agenda is unethical. School prayer and Bible studies at school are allowed also, though on a voluntary basis. This also means that a middle school student in California wouldn’t be kicked out of class for writing “God Bless America” on the cover of her notebook.

            “Virtue and morality is a necessary spring of popular government.”
            Don’t we Americans want our leaders to set an example? Being gay isn’t virtuous or moral behavior. Ergo, once again, against what Washington believed for this country’s government.

            “It’s impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
            Self explanitory.

            “Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.” Where would the gays fit into this picture? No place whatsoever. Remember, Washington believed in moral, not immoral, behavior.
            Let’s not also forget what our founders said about this subject.

            “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” Ben Franklin.

            “I am a Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson.

            “Unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls…and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” Samuel Adams.

            “I have always said, and will always say, that studious perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens.” Thomas Jefferson.

            “….To read the Bible at schools. When not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life. It should be read in our schools in preference to all other books from its containing the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public temporal happiness.” Benjamin Rush.

            The list goes on and on about how they said God, Jesus, Christianity, and morals is what guides this country and you libs cannot prove me wrong. All these quotes and facts cannot be disputed. Here are my sources:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTeb-tkas
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQgfb5Q0Mc

            Sorry rob, but “We The People” arguement you always bring up doesn’t hold water. Gays are immoral and are not living by the ways God, Jesus, and Christianity says to live. Ergo, against what our founders wanted for this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            but those same laws will see that he forfeits his life before he is born!!

          • eddie47d

            Gays fit into the picture as equal American citizens. The issue wasn’t brought up when the Constitution was written so that is irrelevant. The same with a woman’s right to vote and many other issues.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        J taliban,
        Then Abortion is not right as well is it???

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Joe, certainly abortion is right if the woman thinks it’s right for her. After all, it is HER body that is being violated.

          If you had a visitor in your house taking everything they need I’m sure you would try to get the local police to remove them and failing that Mr. Smith & Mr. Wesson would be considered.

          So tell me, how many unwanted “human being” will you allow to live in YOUR body if you don’t want them?

          Rob

          • marvin

            Robert Smith
            did your mom have any kids that lived or were they all born brain dead like you,if i were for abortion you would make a great poster boy,as for god he don,t need me to defend him,he will have the final say,come hell and no water

        • Michael J.
          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from Michael J…

            That’s not me. Of course there are many Robert Smiths though, I can see how easily Michael J. can be confused.

            The Intrepid was decomissioned long before that guy was born.

            He does have a good name thoug.

            BTW, what do you have against pagans besides they ain’t in lockstep with your hateful god?

            What do you even have against christians like Bishop Spong, who is pro-choice and has married same sex couples. He, and I, think he is very christian and loving towards humanity. BTW, just because Spong and I believe that christanty should be a loving religion doesn’t make me a christian.

            Rob

    • James in NY

      DADT is discriminatory law and will not stand up in court. There is this thing about equality in this great land of ours.

      • crystal

        DADT is not discriminatory. What’s discriminatory is forcing citizens of a country to adhere to immoral behavior such as homosexuality.

        • eddie47d

          No one will force you to become a homosexual as you seem to be implying. Most porno and lust comes from the straight crowd and homos have enough problems in life. They certainly aren’t going to be out recruiting you so go out and live your life and let them do the same.

        • Jana

          crystal,
          I agree with you all the way. I don’t care what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom, the key word is privacy.

          • Robert Smith

            Awww Jana, you say: “I don’t care what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom, the key word is privacy.”

            How many homosexuals have YOU seen have sex in public or on TV? Take a look at Univision and watch the heteros check tonsils out all the time.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Interesting Jana, you didn’t exclude that they can be married. That’s interesting.

            That implies that you support equal rights. That’s a good thing.

            Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry James, but behavior is not covered in the Constitution is it?

        “Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.” George Washington.

        Since gays are against these principles, their ways aren’t essential to our country or way of life, now are they moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.
          – George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the United States, Vol 1. p. 495, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

          I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country.
          – George Washington, responding to a group of clergymen who complained that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ, in 1789, Papers, Presidential Series, 4:274, the “Magna-Charta” here refers to the proposed United States Constitution

          Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.
          – George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom, also James A Haught, 2000 Years of Disbelief

          Rob

          • eddie47d

            Robert;….Yet even today religious disputes have and do disrupt society. It has been said that “all men are created equal”, yet that isn’t practiced either: with much discrimination to overcome.

          • http://naver samurai

            Ah yes. I see we are still only posting thing from passages that suit your arguement. Not a very smart move on your part. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            ROFL, it was YOU who tried to use George to prove your point. But the truth is out about how George really felt. Get used to it samurai. Our nation IS NOT founded on your brand of christanity.

            BTW, why is your brand so weak that you have to steal and lie about history?

            Rob

    • who cares

      So, Why did God make them the way they ARE??????????? Not for Country or God. Did you know one (1) in five is gay. most people who vote republican is a closet gay. And that answers the question why most republican’s wont serve in the active arm forces, or they do not have what it takes to be in the military. Bush, Cheney, Boehner, McCoannel, pro mililaty have no problem sending others to die, yet they wont go themselves or go into the National Guard (some even go AWOL like Bush did) Reagan in WW2 stay at home making war movies, commercials for the Military. I for one have NO problem if Gays serve.

      • http://naver samurai

        Do you always have to tell so many lies and drink soo much kool aid?
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          You’ve gotten that kool aid thing wrong again samurai. I’ve posted to you several sources that it wasn’t kool aid Jim Jones used. Why do you continue to lie about it?

          Rob

  • Michael J.

    If Republicans are being accused of queering the bill, then sobeit.
    Even a temporary injunction that would effectively stay the gays is welcomed. This issue is not about gay rights but instead is a covert insurgency aimed at destroying our nations military from the inside out. Once homosexuals occupy prominant positions in sufficient numbers, the work of weakening the armed forces through the use of well honed political correctness tactics will commence. In short order our nations defense will become unrecognizable and a perceived push over to our enemies.

    • JTalbain

      Do you actually believe there is a gay agenda? That all homosexuals have a secret handshake and occassionally gather for meeting discussing what they’re going to do to destroy the country? Your homophobia is staggering.

      • bill

        It’s all a commie agenda led by the usurper in chief and his ilk to bring down this country by what ever means possible including using the homos or any other minority group that suits its purpose. Once they’re done using you, they’ll throw you by the wayside just like they did the blacks.

        • joseph costa

          All gays want are equal rights to get married and have benefits of every other American. How about The people say sorry white America are no longer allowed to married and have children? your rights are violated. And in such as case what would you do? Constitution Protects All Americans not only straight whites. Your acting like people did in slave days with blacks, woman’s rights, Chinese American immigration,and Native Americans own rights who own this country and had it taken from them.

          • marvin

            joseph costa
            gays have the same rights as all american to do as they want with who they want,mabe i want to bed 10 or 11 year old girls hell that is my right or say i want to bed your wife or child,why should you care,that is my right,hell i may want to bed you and wife and child ,an,t that my right,now where are your rights now,i don,t give a rat ass who or what gays do to each other,as long as they do it in private,YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MINE BEGIN

          • Kinetic1

            OK then Marvin, aside from a lack of understanding when it comes to punctuation (gees man, enough with the commas!) what is your beef? If you don’t care what gays do in private, then why do you care if they serve in the military? Last time I checked, soldiers of any sex are not allowed to have sex in the fox holes, the showers or even the barracks. Why would you think that the military would allow gays to get away with it?

            As to your analogy, our laws protect the innocent and do not allow forced sex with unwilling partners. That is the difference between sex among consenting adults and the sort of perverse and violent sex you proposed. It’s time to get over your homophobia. No one wants to stick their rights into your end.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            joseph costa,
            you should do a little research before you post!!! Native americans were the first to tell you NO MAN OWNS THE LAND!!!! This was part of the reason they were cheated somuch!!!

        • Robert Smith

          No No Noooooo Bill,

          It’s a domino theory. When all males in America fall to homosexuality the it will be up to samuri and his wife to repopulate the world.

          Sad thing is that they don’t recognize that for gays to change is as difficult as it would be for samurai or his wife to change into a lifestyle, unless of course they are homophobics repressing their own cowardly feelings.

          Rob

      • Michael J.

        JTalbain,
        You said:
        “Do you actually believe there is a gay agenda?”
        No, not a gay agenda but a communist one. Gays are just useful idiots destined for extermination once the global communist plan comes to fruition.

        • Kinetic1

          WOW! Homophobia and paranoia all wrapped into one, neat little package.

          • Michael J.

            Kinetic1,
            Did I hit a nerve? Almost all users of the term homophobia are writing from a gay, queer theorist, feminist or liberal perspective, or a combination thereof. The word “Homophobic” was designed to wrongly imply the presence of mental illness on the part of the perceived homophobe, which is just textbook liberal spin.

            Some conservative commentators argue that homophobia and related terms are a key part in an agenda to depict homosexuality as an equally valid and healthy option to heterosexuality when normal people know it is not. I mean name one normal/healthy thing about a man’s perverse drive to insert his member into the orifice of another man’s rectum, which nature intended for the expulsion of waste only.

            I apologize for the graffic nature of this post, but I feel that political correctness has minimized/sanitized the vulgarity of these acts as well as the sickness of the individuals.

            Clinton new that DADT was merely a stepping stone on the path towards the eventual openly gay homosexuals serving in the military. The missconception is that his goal was equal rights for gays. The repeal of DADT is instead a way for gay’s to legitimately protest policies and traditions of our nations armed forces in a way not available to those kept silent by the confines of DADT.

            Our nations military is under attack from outside leftist lawmakers VIA ridiculous rules of engagement changes, budget cuts, deminishing salaries and the threat of being imprisoned for minor infractions that in the past would have been considered a non-issue.

            And as if that’s not enough, now they are faced with the possibility of infiltrators, informants and traitorous leakers like PFC Manning, all seeking to create chaos and mayhem amongst the ranks. The gays think they are fighting for their rights, when in fact they are un-aware surrogates of the elitist leftist who wish to demonize and weaken our nations ability to defend itself.

        • Robert Smith

          Michael J. says: “Gays are just useful idiots destined for extermination once the global communist plan comes to fruition.”

          Actually you should find out what the First and Second Reich were and how in the name of religion evil was done.

          Oh, and check out the inquisition used by the church to fatten its treasury with fear and intimidation. Have you read the Maleus Malificarum?

          Talk about setting people for control by evil christanity has been at it for over 1,000 years.

          Rob

          • Michael J.

            Robert Smith,
            I get it now, you’re a Wiccan. The ancient practice of ritual sacrifice performed by pagan witches. In more recent times Wiccans have been at the center of mass suicides and the Waco Whacko David Koresh travesty.

            I now realize that your post have been hinting at your true nature all along, somewhat akin to a criminal psychopath returning to the scene of the crime. You’re a dangerous sicko Robert (if that’s your real name), and I hope the authorities answer your desperate cries for recognition by apprehending you before you hurt someone.

          • Robert Smith

            Wow! You sure don’t know what wiccans are.

            Can you show us ANY “mass suicedes” as you claim from the religion of the Earth?

            I’ll bet you are gonna go on a tare against Pagans now so you can hate them too.

            BTW, I have NOT stated what MY religion is. Quit lying about what it might be.

            Rob

    • Teresa

      Very well stated…they are already stressing and defunding them…

    • Robert Smith

      From Michael J.: “Once homosexuals occupy prominant positions in sufficient numbers, the work of weakening the armed forces through the use of well honed political correctness tactics will commence.”

      Quick! Make sure the Isralies and the Ausies know. Both, according to you, are spinning down the drain…

      Oops, no they aren’t. Both are strong and well respected armies. There is absolutely no reason the American army will change, just as it didn’t change when blacks were integrated.

      Rob

      • crystal

        Everyone in Israel has to serve. Australia’s military is weak.

      • http://naver samurai

        Can you cite your source on this moron, or will we continue to hear crickets in the background? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Do you really doubt that they allow gays in their military or are you simply taking an worthless question and pretending something is incorect? Are you really claiming that Isrial has a weak army?

          If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists.
          – George Washington, letter to Tench Tilghman asking him to secure a carpenter and a bricklayer for his Mount Vernon estate, March 24, 1784, in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion (1963) p. 118, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, “Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church”

          Rob

          • eddie47d

            25 countries allow gays to serve “openly”,including Britain,Canada,Australia,South Africa and Israel. Almost no one in any of these countries left because of homosexuals being allowed to serve. In 1985 Canada polled it’s troops and it was widely accepted and in 1996 British troops were polled with same results.No confusion or angst. When West Point enrolled women hundreds of men proclaimed that they would leave the service if they were admitted. Close to zero left the Academy. Self hatreds of others is not a reason to deny anyone the right to “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

    • who cares

      Gay have served in the military since the roman times. George Washington was know to be gay. they are gay animals too. Gays have seved in WW1, WW2, Nam, and are in the military now. it seens only you republicans have a problem with the fact that they’re gays in this world and here to stay. One of you’r family member is gay. it could be your father or mother, even you But they are to scared to come out because you people have no empathy. you people (republicans, tea party, neo nazy, kkk, what ever) don’t know how to be humans.

      • Robert Smith

        who cares is flat out wrong about George Washington being gay. I presume you are talking about the “John Crenshaw” letters allegedly discovered at Mt. Vernon.

        It’s a lie. The mention of wooden teeth clinches it. It can easily be disproven by the mention of the wooden teeth. George Washington didn’t have wooden teeth. You can go to: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6875436/

        Rob

        • libertytrain

          I’m not agreeing or disagreeing but when I read your post I had to wonder who’s wooden teeth were on display at Mt. Vernon that they said were his. Man, you can’t trust anyone these days.

          • Robert Smith

            From the Mt. Vernon website, Facts & Falsehoods about George Washington, http://www.mountvernon.org/visit/plan/index.cfm/pid/808/

            “Did George Washington have wooden teeth?”

            He had false teeth, but they were not made of wood. As a matter of fact, the materials used in his false teeth were probably more uncomfortable than wood. In one set of teeth, his dentist, Dr. John Greenwood, used a cow’s tooth, one of Washington’s teeth, hippopotamus ivory, metal and springs. They fit poorly and distorted the shape of his mouth.”

            The teeth I saw attributed to George Washington located just outside the “Replica Room” (a room that is a replica of the lodge room where George Washington presided as Master of his lodge eventually named Alexandria Washington Lodge 22 AF&AM, were NOT wood. That room does contain the chair that Bro. Washington sat in and many other artifacts that survived the original lodge location above the City Hall that burned down.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Again, I have no problem with your statements….just sad that I had lousy docents each time I went there – they must just want to propagate the myth – visits were over a 30 plus year period. Oh for the truth at a president’s house!

  • dr jon

    good—dadt is the law and should be forever–the military doesnt need perverts to cause security problems and to lower sane troop morale

    • Doc Sarvis

      dr jon,
      You’ll need to better define the word pervert since there have been some heterosexuals in the military who have exhibited perverted behavior. I’ll argue that homosexuality between two consenting adults is NOT a perversion.

      • melatr7

        Your argument is false.

        • Michael J.

          In response to Doc Sarvis:
          See folks, this is where political correctness has taken us. According to Doc Sarvis, two men having anal sex is not perversion. If our society has become conditioned to accept and in Doc’s case condone these barbaric practices, you must ask yourself what’s next, beastiality?

          • Robert Smith

            Michael posts: ” According to Doc Sarvis, two men having anal sex is not perversion.”

            It isn’t perverted. It is called “recreational sex.” For most of those who aren’t muslums or christians it isn’t a perversion. IOW, your hate is based in your religion. Hate is NOT a family value.

            Without religion in the mix there is no reason to think about gays, let alone hate them.

            It’s just another red meat for the flock of sheeple. And remember, no matter how “good” the sheppard, the sheep get killed and eaten or sheered. Religion for blood and money. Been to any good witch burnings lately Michael?

            Rob

          • eddie47d

            False: Homosexuality does not lead to bestiality

          • Michael J.

            Robert Smith,
            Since it is just “Recreational Sex”, why not practice on those sheep before you sheer, kill and eat them? Or is the ritual performed post blood-letting?

            Disgusting non-human.

          • Michael J.

            eddie47d,
            When it comes to questions such as this, I always defer to experts in the field. So I’ll take your word for it.

          • eddie47d

            This issue has been studied by professionals and have found no link to bestiality.

          • Robert Smith

            Or pedophelia like all those priests practiced.

            BTW, I haven’t seen any condemnation of that around here. Is it approved for a priest to diddle a little kid?

            Rob

      • bill

        Then why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah if not for their perverterd ways?

        • Doc Sarvis

          Maybe God didn’t like the wallpaper.

          • Teresa

            There is so much name calling, bitter remarks here. Nobody will agree and we are not trying to force our beliefs on you. You see this nation has lost its moral standings in every form from our teachings of our children in school to the government buildings all in the name of being politically correct. And yes the moral standards that you so down put are the same moral standards in which this once great nation was founded on IN GOD WE TRUST, no matter how much you want to try to change that or rewrite it. The military is the ONE thing that the government has Not taken control of yet but they have tried everything in their power to. They have cut their funding, they have reduced their pay, they have stretched their recources, they have overworked them, and the wikileakes has deminished their efforts abroad, and yet the government and others still fight what the majority of the military STILL does not want repealled. You and I can debate all day but this is not ours to decide this is the militarys decision and NOT congress! You see, when you take the morals from the military you take away the heart of the soldier. It is not for us to judge the person next to us, but we as people have to live w/some set of morals and character for w/o it how can you respect yourself much less expect anyone else to respect you? We run around blaming the government for the worlds problems when we first must start at home setting an example w/our own morals for our children yet when a crisis happens we seem too dependent on the government….that is a big problem….
            When you question me about God I will tell you this, God does exist and he created Man in his own image and he created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, and from this they produced children to inhabit the earth he gave us.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            doc
            And maybe you are so homosexual you wear tutus!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Hmmmmmmm “IN GOD WE TRUST”

            That came along WAAAAAAAAAAAAy after “We the PEOPLE”.

            That is REALLY how America was founded.

            Rob

      • crystal

        Homosexuality is a perversion.

        • Doc Sarvis

          For you, maybe – for many many others it is not.

          • Bob from Socal

            It may not be a perversion to you Doc, But to God it is. One day you will face God. What will you say on that day. The Bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. That includes you Doc. I pray that you get right with the Lord before your time runs out.

          • http://naver samurai

            Voice of experience there, doc? Are you good “friends” with Barney Frank? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Samurai,
            Leave doc alone, he busy trying on his tutu!!

        • Robert Smith

          Among many other weighty objections to the Measure, it has been suggested, that it has a tendency to introduce religious disputes into the Army, which above all things should be avoided, and in many instances would compel men to a mode of Worship which they do not profess.
          – George Washington, to John Hancock, then president of Congress, expressing opposition to a congressional plan to appoint brigade chaplains in the Continental Army (1777), quoted from a letter to Cliff Walker from Doug Harper (2002)

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            He also said: “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” So what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            but they did appoint chaplins didn’t they dingleberry???

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, there are all kinds of chaplins in the US Military. Many are christian, some are even your kind of christian.

            ALL are required to minister to folks in whatever faith they happen to be, including muslum, hindu, pagan… ALL faiths.

            This is from the Vision Statement: Spiritual Leadership for the Army Family.

            It can be found at http://www.army.mil/info/organization/chaplaincy/: Currently, over 2,800 Chaplains are serving the Total Army representing over 130 different religious organizations.

            Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Doc,
        I’ll give you three different definations of pervert. Doc, edduuhhh, and roberta!!!

        • eddie47d

          MY MY it’s the good humor man! or is that the man of many lusts??

    • Robert Smith

      I’ll take the samurai approach on this one: Prove it, dr jon.

      BTW extremist sites are not credible. Use something that is either a major network or credible reviewed study.

      Rob

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    good deal dadt is the law and should be upheld the army today is a joke and it doesnt need preverts in there.

    • JTalbain

      Except of course that the “perverts” as you refer to them, are already in the military. DADT only deals with their ability to serve openly.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Yes, homosexuals are already in the military and have been serving ever since we have had a military. Everyone knows it and it is NOT a big deal.

      • marvin

        Doc Sarvis
        ONE OF THE FEW thing you have said that is right why bring it up no one is saying you can not be gay just don,t tell it or do it,an,t nothing but a liberal VOTE getting plan vote for me and you can lick and stick in the open,dadt is working has worked and will work,this is the military not a gay pride thing,

        • Doc Sarvis

          It is an unnecessary institution of blackmale that is unfair to homosexuals who are serving in the military and keeping good people who want to serve their country out of the military.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Doc,

            It isn’t just blackmale. It’s a way for those hateful folks to bully others just because they can.

            Rob

          • crystal

            Then they should get out or never join.

          • Robert Smith

            Chrystal, would you say that if christians were the subject of discussion rather than gays?

            At least there is little doubt that christians choose to be christians (at least for adults).

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but being gay is a choice and a person isn’t born that way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            doc,
            for you claiming to be a Dr and roberta claiming to have a masters, you both should know that Blackmale is a person. Blackmail is an action!!! I think both of you are full of the dark, dank, smelly stuff!!!

          • eddie47d

            Samurai; Where is Sooks and your proof of that?

  • HenryfromFlorida

    All of us that served know where this is going. When you let gays out into the light, they start prancing instead of marching, folliwed by the onset of escaping steam in their speach. Soon after the holding of hands and skipping to the chaplin demanding their rights to marry.
    The other problem is when in a combat situation, and your in danger of attack from the front and both flanks. What makes this freshly liberated gay girly man think that a bullet from the rear won’t be added to his problems.
    Keep it in the closet boys and girls. You’ll live longer. Maybe not as happy, but longer.

    • Robert Smith

      Really Henry: “When you let gays out into the light, they start prancing instead of marching,”

      Can you give us an example in any of the armies that already have gays openly serving in them?

      Who makes the garbage you spout up? I haven’t seen anything new lately. It’s always your god destroying Sodom, prancing in the streets, and having open sex that you may have to watch. All are patently FALSE.

      Rob

      • crystal

        Sorry, Robert Smith, but he’s right. My father was drafted in WWII. He told me they had a couple of homosexuals on the front lines and they decided it would be a great idea to start setting up house (on the front lines keep in mind), while everybody else was fighting the war.

        • Robert Smith

          An old war story from pa pa… Might he also be a christian trying to keep gays out of the military?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You are a complete and utter moron, rob! Don’t you think there are other religions that don’t believe in gays? My wife’s relatives are atheists and Buddhists and are against their lifestyle. Does this mean that it’s not just a Christian thing? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Still no proof, and no examples from you tube. Seems to me you are lying again.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Oh, on that Buddhist thing. They have as much variety as christians do. Some are hateful to gays, some are as loving with them as any others.

            I have no difficulty believing that anyone in your family will hate gays even though hate isn’t a family value.

            Hate is LEARNED. Too bad. Love is so much nicer and it doesn’t have to be learned.

            Rob

    • Kinetic1

      So Henry, what you are saying is that our soldiers are so out of control that they would kill a fellow soldier because of their sexual orientation? Folks on this site complain about our government giving consideration to the possibility that our returning soldiers might become terrorists, but it’s ok for you to accuse them of being potential murderers?

      • crystal

        That’s not what he’s saying at all.

        • Robert Smith

          Why don’t you clarify it Chrystal.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberta,
            If you were in Viet Nam as you claim, you would know there were instances of worthless excuses for NCOs and officers that got troops killed that ended up getting fragged!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Nam era, Joe. I was actually in the Baltic. Remember, I pointed out the hormons coming in on the ball, etc.

            Sheesh, why do you lie so much?

            Rob

  • Proud to be a Christian

    I would think that we had more to worry about. Leave it alone. At least with the law the way it is, they can get into to military before they couldn’t and if found out were dishonorable discharged. You cannot have sex deviates openly plying their sickness in a military. And don’t anyone tell me that it is proven to be a medical sickness that they cannot help!!!!! It is an abomination. The good book states this implicitly and God does not condone this life style period. Remember what he did with Sodom and Gomerrough (spelling). Why we should spend valuable time and effort for Gay marriage, gay this, gay that, I will never understand when there are many more serious things to straighten out. They should be glad that they could come out of the closet in the first place. DON’T PUSH IT!!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Hey christian, you posted: “The good book states this implicitly and God does not condone this life style period.”

      Why don’t you take that book and put it somewhere where if someone tries to sodomise you they will run into the book.

      Americans are NOT obloged to follow your book unless they want to. I’m one who doesn’t believe in your masognastic, white, hateful, and brutal god. I subscribe that it was something that touched down in a flying saucer to plant seeds that will make it easy for them to take over humaity as farm animals so they can be eaten.

      Rob

      • crystal

        This God was never white, brutal, or hateful. Your problem is that you want everyone to hate God and bow down to sodomites.

        • Teresa

          Pray for him

        • Robert Smith

          Check out: Jeremiah 4:11-12, 22-28; Exodus 32:7-14; 1 Timothy 1:12-17; Luke 15:1-10

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Trying to use the Bible to justify your lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist views again? Remember moron, if you add a different meaning to what is actually said, you increase your punishment before the Lord Almighty when you die. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Samurai; Dang you can be hateful! Robert posted several Bible verses where God encouraged the killing of women and children and all you come up with is more slander about liberals…..and what’s with this calling everyone a moron.That get’s really old! God won’t be as pleased with you as you think.

      • Viktor Leben

        Robert Smith,

        Howdy doody gay dude. I don’t agree with Fred Phelps demonstrating at them military funerals, but his message about homosexuality is right. We are probably involved in all these almost no win wars because of gay toleration. Alot of good straight christian soldiers are probably coming back in body bags -dead – because of homosexual “rights”.

        If you want to win you need the Christian God (The God of gods) on your side when you fight. SO the right thing to do is get rid of all the gays in the military. Why tolerate it ? who wants to die!

        • Robert Smith

          From Viktor Leben: “If you want to win you need the Christian God (The God of gods) on your side when you fight.”

          Nope. I have absolutely no interest in your hateful god of all gods.

          It’s sad to see a pack of his thugs, oops sheep” bullying, threatening, and taking freedoms away from other human beings.

          Rob

      • Viktor Leben

        R Smith,

        Don’t mock my God and don’t mock His book ! My God is the God of gods ! Jesus has given you time to change. You gays deserve Hell !

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberta,
        That’s the lamest excuse for justifying what you do to other men in the frontal position I’ve seen yet!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Quit lying Joe, I’m not gay.

          Your empty claim because of my advocacy for equality in America shows just how perverted your hateful christian garbage is.

          Rob

    • Kinetic1

      Proud,
      No one said it was a “sickness.” Just because it’s out of the ordinary and thus offends you, that does not make it a “sickness.” As to your interpretation of the Bible, it is just that. Not every religious scholar agrees with your conclusion. Why is it that Christians of your ilk are so quick to latch on to this passage, but continue to ignore so many other less convenient ones?

      • crystal

        Not everyone is going to hate God and agree with homosexuality. Believe or not, not everyone agrees with your opinion.

        • Robert Smith

          Have you ever heard of Bishop Spong? He is a christian. Just google him for some information.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            How can he be a Christian and be living in rebellion to the Bible? You can’t do that, rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Viktor Leben

        Kinetic1,

        Let’s use a little logic. Gay (homosexuals) are going to Hell. So I guess there’s something wrong with it … right ? Saying it’s a sickness is an understatement …

        • Michael J.

          Viktor Leben,
          Hell? That’s a suburb of San Francisco, right?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            michael J,
            Yeah just SOUTH!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Actually you have to go through Intercourse (Lancaster County, PA) to get to Paradice.

            Rob

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    I think this is a civil matter and should no be in the purview of the court but Congress. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” must remain the policy.

    I have said before, being a veteran of 21 years in the service that I don’t have a problem with a gay serving in the military as long as he is not placed in combat. Almost being killed twice by their actions tells me they don’t belong in combat. There are going to be those who say different but many more who agree with me.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “Almost being killed twice by their actions tells me they don’t belong in combat. ”

      Can you get us a report number of some sourt. Surely you didn’t let them get away with it. Or, did you satisfy yourself by fragging (murdering) them?

      But, one isn’t supposed to murder and be a christian. Well, maybe in your version.

      Rob

      • crystal

        You obviously haven’t been in the military.

        • Robert Smith

          Actually I have, but around here if one doesn’t meet your crummy stereotype one can’t be an American so military service is denied to those who don’t agree with you. Look at the lies of a decorated war hero, John Kerry, to understand.

          Swift Boating as it is done by the extreme right is just dirty lying politics.

          Rob

          • eddie47d

            Most military folks are very tolerant of others and accepting of all who serve amongst them. They will support anyone who stands tall in the defense of America. Most of this bickering is happening on the outside trying to influence our soldiers. When most troops just want someone there who will support them in time of war or friendship. They don’t need anyone telling them to go around hating someone else.

          • http://naver samurai

            Edduh, you haven’t been in the military recently have you? There are many reports of when soldiers find out there is a “gay” person in their barracks, the MP’s have to be called to protect them from their fellow soldiers. Sometimes, they arrive too late and the soldier in question is severely injured or dead. I’ve known it to happen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            Perhaps YOU were one that were FOUND OUT????? The navy guys I know would have keel hauled your azz!!

          • Robert Smith

            Ahhh yes, Joe. Another advocacy for KILLING in the name of your hateful god.

            Rob

          • eddie47d

            That has always been Joe’s style.

      • Viktor Leben

        Frag away ! The straight soldiers don’t want to die …

  • Carol H

    NOT homophobia- rather, FEAR of God.

    • Robert Smith

      Carol says: “NOT homophobia- rather, FEAR of God.”

      How does it feel your life in so much fear that you are willing to discriminate in the greatest country in the world, America? It wasn’t hate and fear that made America strong. It is our freedoms for all and the protections that are afforded by that.

      How much fear do you think gays have been put in? I’ve seen death for them offered on this forum. Do you want others in fear like you are? Seems to me the anti-gay movement is a bunch of cowards.

      Rob

      • crystal

        Not discrimination, common sense.

        • Kinetic1

          Common among whom, Crystal? Please, enlighten us with your wisdom. Save the Biblical prophecy and give us some good, solid common sense reasons why gays are only suited to the military if they don’t admit that they’re gay. Share with us your first hand stories of how a soldiers’ actions changed once everyone new for certain that the were gay. Do they really start to skip in battle? Do they suddenly go from bravely protecting our nation to hiking up their skirts and running away? Imagine the potential weapon for the enemy! Maybe all the enemy has to do is loudly accuse a few oncoming soldiers of being gay and those that are will turn and run, while those that aren’t will chase them down and shoot them!

          • crystal

            As I’ve stated before. In the barracks we were bullied by lesbians. All of us were (not just one or two women). They behaved like a street gang. It was a nightmare living around them. I ended up with a lesbian roommate and couldn’t even get dressed in the room. None of the women in the barracks deserved to be forced to live in that condition. It was awful. This was before DADT and eventually many of them were discharged. I served honorably in the Navy, and got out of the Navy when my time was up, and nobody has ever forced me to live with lesbians ever again. I wouldn’t force anyone to have to live like that and you shouldn’t either.

            Again Kinetic, if you have never served you usually don’t get it.

          • Robert Smith

            Shucks Crystal, you claim: ” I served honorably in the Navy,”

            Rate, rank, where did you serve… PROVE you were in the military and have the basis to make up stories that might be believed. After all, you implied that I wasn’t in the military.

            Oh, I get it… Folks are supposed to believe you when you say you were in and believe you when you claim others weren’t. How christian of you crystal.

            BTW, I don’t believe your story about lesbians. There are plenty of ways to report, be protected, and get them tossed out of the military. Sadly if you were in you were too much of a coward to actually DO what you claim might be right to report the sinners (which it isn’t).

            Rob

          • Viktor Leben

            Robert,

            The USA is to gay friendly. Them gay people are going to get us straight persons killed.

            Hey, I wouldn’t serve in the military right now, it’s too gay. Anyhow, I’m 4F because I’m crazy. It’s all you liberals who made me this way. All them baby killing gay liberals passing around Aids to everyone. Wait, I got to take my Effexor….

            Hey, If all the gays join the military – they will probably all get killed off …. then no more homosexual problems …

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Victor,
            They could always put them on the front lines in a muslim country!!!! We ALL know what the outcome of that would be!!!

          • Robert Smith

            More advocacy from Joe wishing gays to die. Your hateful god must be so proud of you.

            Rob

  • Disappointed in Personl Liberty

    Is Personal Liberty revealing where they stand on this issue. That is not the real poll. That is the one the pentagon wants you to believe. This is a center right country. Even in California they couldn’t pass SSM. Now we are supposed to believe this. Look at the military officers who are bravely speaking out. This article is disappointing. I may unsubscribe. Definite bias here.

    When I served it was bad enough. There are men being attacked by these perverts overcome by their unnatural lust. We are suppose to accept this lifestyle as normal.

    • Doc Sarvis

      And there are women being attacked by heterosexuals.

      • crystal

        No, but in the barracks we were bullied by lesbians. All of us were (not just one or two women). They behaved like a street gang. It was a nightmare living around them. I ended up with a lesbian roommate and couldn’t even get dressed in the room. None of the women in the barracks deserved to be forced to live in that condition. It was awful. This was before DADT and eventually many of them were discharged. I served honorably in the Navy, and got out of the Navy when my time was up, and nobody has ever forced me to live with lesbians ever again. I wouldn’t force anyone to have to live like that.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Sounds like there was a serious breakdown of discipline and honor in your unit. The vast majority of our military is professional and have the capacity to make this work – even better than how other country’s have been able to do.

          • crystal

            First and foremost, this was not a unit. This was the Navy and the barracks in this situation consisted of Navy women (on one floor) who worked in different areas of D.C. Again, you’ve never been in a barracks situation (your comment makes this obvious). This was on AFB on the outskirts of Washington D.C. Your definition of breakdown is incorrect since this was not a unit. All barracks do not consist of one unit. Why am I trying to explain the workings of the military to you?

          • eddie47d

            One barracks’ can have 2 or 3 complete platoons.

          • Robert Smith

            Oh Christal… You’ve finally come upwith a clue!

            “This was on AFB on the outskirts of Washington D.C.”

            That has to be Blanchard Barracs on Bolling AFB. Mess hall on one side, EM club on the other. Most of the Navy folks there were at NPC. So… odds are high on PH something.

            But then, maybe you are still lying about the lesbians. Mostly they are in a very small minority. You had to really be a coward not to at least report the alleged abuse.

            I still think you are lying.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Awww crystal: “No, but in the barracks we were bullied by lesbians. All of us were (not just one or two women).”

          Tough WAVES couldn’t take care of a few dykes? That’s like a buch of tough christian army guys are afraid because the gay person might see their pee pee.

          Sheesh, how little you think of straight folks in the military that they are too much of a coward to tell a gay person no and make it stic.

          I have found most bullies to be cowards when they are stood up to. The rest are outright crazy and can be provoked to start something and get themselves smashed. You would be amazed at how easy it is to get them all wound up while being reasonable. They are reduced to name calling and then try a sucker punch. Then for some reason they find themselves on the floor. The best part about it is that if an officer is watching he sees someone who is talking quietly, reasonably, and not in any way threatening. And then the cowardly bully (often they are known as such by most) is on the floor with a bunch of people laughing and cheering. I lot a lot of drinks bought for me that way.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Wow roberta, what did you do hit him with your purse??? I’m sure he was real impressed with that!

          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from Joe H. who doesn’t make any points but snipes and tries to swift boat.

            Rob

          • eddie47d

            He does what he’s good at and always throws in an extra insult for good measure. Must have been the class clown.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Disappointed! You posted: “There are men being attacked by these perverts overcome by their unnatural lust. ”

      Really. That’s amazing. Looks to me like you are claiming that the same sex community in our military can not only kick, but do anything else they want with the asses of all those whimpy straight soldgers.

      Why do you have so little respect for our army?

      Rob

      • crystal

        You need to start using your “Spell Checker.”

        • Robert Smith

          I do very well with spells, thank you crystal.

          For some reason the checker doesn’t work on this forum.

          NOW do you want to comment on the issues brought up, or is sniping your christian way of dealing with things.

          Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          wow ctystal! Aren’t you just amazed with roberta’s quick wit and fearful cuts??? why if I was a lesser man, I’d be cowering in fear! I am in fear, fear of his brain farts!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Again not dealing with issues, huh Joe?

            Seems like a cowardly way to make a point. Name calling, swift boating, and then claim it’s all OK in the name of your hateful christian god.

            Wow!

            BTW, can you get crystal to come up with a rating and rank? And while you are at it can you get her to admit that she was a christian coward for not reporting the abuse she claims?

            Rob

    • Kinetic1

      Disappointed,
      The only thing that stopped Same Sex Marriage from passing in California was the massive influx of money and lies from outsiders. Polls show again and again that Californians welcome the change.

      • crystal

        No we don’t. The lies came from the homosexual side. If you had done any research, you would have seen that the homosexual side raised more money. Kinetic, everytime you respond your facts are wrong.

      • Michael J.

        Kinetic1,
        Wrong, the reason why the same sex marriage of perverts bill didn’t pass in California is because no one on the left foresaw that blacks who came out to vote for Obama would simultaneously vote against sexual deviants marrying.

  • Donald

    They are already in the military and in combat units. They serve openly in the armed forces of all our allies in NATO countries. Why should only straight people have to die in combat?

    • crystal

      Then just send in homosexuals to die.

      • Robert Smith

        How christian of you crystal.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Hey moron, what if Crystal wasn’t a Christian? What if she was an atheist? Would you say how atheist of you? What if she was a muslim? Would you say something about ahhah? As I’ve posted earlier, more than just Christian oppose this kind of lifestyle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Whatever belief she us using to justify killing gays is perverted and a misuse of that.

            So, samurai, once again your creepy justification for your christian abuse of others falls short.

            In Goddess we Trust,

            Rob

          • eddie47d

            If Christians are so much better than Muslims then why do you make that comparison with them. Do you secretly want to kill homosexuals like they do? Maybe you also side with African Muslim nations who want to legalize the killing of gays?

  • jim

    A poll was already conducted of currently serving military personnel. It showed by an overwhelming majority of those surveyed that DADT should be overturned. For those of you who are so strongly opposed let me remind you that approximately 80% of the public opposed integrating the military during World War II. Don’t confuse your own personal beliefs with sound policy.

    • Kimbo

      The poll reflected that 80% of the people said that repealing DADT would not affect the morale of our military. It DID NOT say that those polled supported repealing it. Read the poll.

    • Kimbo

      You’re saying that 80% of the public was wrong in WW2? Could a majority be wrong now??? You seem to be arguing against yourself. Do you work for the Federal Government?

    • crystal

      Did you not listen to the hearings on the survey? Obviously not. The survey was found to be false. Why in the world would they even ask people about homosexuality, who are not going to end up living with homosexuals? At what point does and Officer’s spouse live in the barracks. They have base housing or live off base. They also included surveys from homosexuals. How biased is that? The survey is a fraud. Thank God for General Amos, he doesn’t kiss Obama’s butt.

      • eddie47d

        The truth comes out. You are anti-Obama and this is another issue that drives those urges.

        • http://naver samurai

          “Stop the homsexual assult on our military forces.” General John Amos. Are you going to say that a 4 star general in the Marines is wrong in what he said? Remember what Obama bin Laden said during his campaigning about hope?

          “He that lives on hope will die fasting.” Benjamin Franklin.

          I guess you libs are starving to death about now, aren’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            He and roberta both might say it, but not to his face!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Put that bigoted general in front of me and I’ll tell him face to face.

            Hate isn’t excused by rank.

            Rob

  • pennsyltuckian

    Who were the 3 who didn’t have the stones to vote one way or the other? I want to know which cowards are afraid to vote and don’t want people to know where they stand.

  • Kimbo

    Why must there be an open expression of someone’s sexuality in our military? Do we really need “Hetero Brigades” or “Gay Brigades”? This politically correct crap is beginning to get on most people’s last nerve. Why don’t you whiners just shut up and be Americans? To all you Heteros AND Homos,…………..WE WON’T ASK….YOU DON’T TELL.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Kimbo, that’s the same kind of garbage blacks were fed with that “separate but equal “policy.”

      Rob

      • crystal

        Robert, please don’t speak on Black people. You’re too stupid. Black men were being DRAFTED. Do you know the meaning of drafted? It’s one thing to draft someone and treat them like crap. It’s another thing to force yourself into the military and expect everyone to bow down to your deviant behavior.

        Black people are black. It’s not a behavior.

        • Robert Smith

          And I’ll bet christanity is your excuse for your bigoted hateful behavior.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            And I’ll bet these postings that are anti gay are an affront to your boyfriend, thus causing you to behave a certain way also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • eddie47d

    You’re all letting your homophobia run wild. Using the term “openly Homosexual” is showing prejudice right there. Fear is spread just by using certain code words, like homos have evil intentions. All heterosexual men and women have been OPEN about their sex since the beginning of time.I bet homosexuals don’t lust after their partners as much as heterosexuals lust or troll after their significant other.To you gentlemen out there. The majority of women don’t want or need you anymore than some gay guy is checking you out. Stop being full of yourselves and let all citizens be free and be allowed to follow their own life.

    • Kimbo

      Phobia means “fear of.” I know of no one who is afraid of homosexuals. Also, I feel that the majority of homosexual people are as openly gay as heterosexuals are openly hetero. There may be a few closet homosexuals but the majority are as easily spotted as we are. It appears to me that you need to get over YOURSELVES. You are the ones making all the noise. If you’ll think about it for one minute. Do you really want to be an openly gay person in the Middle East serving our country? Do you have any idea how Islamists feel about homosexuality? You might as well paint a large target on yourself.

      • Robert Smith

        Kimbo, Kimbo, Kimbo…

        You said: “Phobia means “fear of.” I know of no one who is afraid of homosexuals.”

        Why are you so afraid of a gay person seeing your pee pee in the shower? Would you be as afraid if a lesbian saw your pee pee?

        IMO those who are fearful of their gods are cowards and bullies who take it out on minorities.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          kimbo,
          Watch it roberto isn’t getting enough peepee!! He talks about it ALLLLLL the time!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Kimbo, you posted: ” I know of no one who is afraid of homosexuals.”

        Really? Why not ask crystal. She seems to bordering on outright paranoic. Her fear is intense.

        Rob

    • marvin

      eddie47d
      less just all go licke stick down the road,you sir ether have not read the bible or don,t belive it,god said hommosex is wrong and if you don,t agree with god that is your right,but as for me i take god for his word,this country was founded on the word of god ,just look at the constitutions and of ever state constitution see what the first couple lines read,creator, supreme being,all talking about god

      • Robert Smith

        Yes Mrivin, YOUR god said hommosex is wrong. WE are not slaves to YOUR god. Don’t believe in a god that allows hate and fear to be the rule of their lives.

        Why are you so afraid a gay person will see your pee pee?

        BTW, have you eaten a cheesburger lately? Why don’t you hate that as much as gays?

        Rob

        • Teresa

          Robert, you talk like a child…and OUR God is more mighty than anything you can behold. You try to instigate fights and your snide lil remarks are so childish. Your a flaming gay and thats your choice but the point is why is it so important to push it upon others in the military. They already serve, correct? The point is the military knows more than YOU will ever know about the morality of what it will do to the soldiers serving if open gays are allowed to serve.

          • Robert Smith

            Teresa: “God is more mighty than anything you can behold.”

            I don’t care. I don’t worship your christian god. BTW, what was Gamorah destroyed for. It is rather vague. And, what’s gamority? What am I missing? Or was it a case of the christian god trying to hit Sodom and missed it by that much. Oh well.

            “remarks are so childish.”

            Actually I can come up with many many terms for penis but it’s more fun to show just how afraid those big tough christian soldgers are of having their pee pee being seen by a gay person.

            “Your a flaming gay”

            No I’m not. But you can lie and claim it if that gives you some satisfaction. Is it sexual for you? If it is I don’t care what kind of perversion you are into.

            Guestion guessed: …”why is it so important to push it upon others in the military.”

            What’s important to me is the rights of gays, but I’m not gay.

            The rights of women are important to me, but I’m not a woman.

            The rights of American Indians are important to me but I’m not very much of an American Indian.

            I’m very much in support of gun owners and there you got me. I am a gun owner. I was a stalwort member of the NRA and an instructor who had taught hundreds of mostly kids and some adults. I quit two years before George Bush Sr. did when I saw that the NRA had been taken over by the extreme right.

            “The point is the military knows more than YOU will ever know about the morality”

            The military is run by the UCMJ, not “morality.”

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Teresa,
            Watch it roberta has a mean right with that purse of his!!!

      • eddie47d

        First of all Marvin if you believe in God, His Name is capitalized. Secondly I do go to church every Sunday and I will not treat a homosexual any differently than anyone else. So stop making assumptions.

        • Robert Smith

          Say eddie, you are correct: “First of all Marvin if you believe in God, His Name is capitalized.”

          I don’t believe in the hateful christian god that seems to be the root of all the hate and fear around here.

          Glad I’m spelling god correctly without the upper case.

          BTW, I think it’s amazing that so many around here would talk so much about his power, but the worst they can do to me is call me names. I don’t see any power. All I see is a bunch of cowardly creeps who think someone else living their life the way they want thinks it is taking something away from them.

          Rob

    • crystal

      You know very little about women also. In order for heterosexuals to not display their heterosexuality, children have to cease to be made and born and everyone must commit suicide. Guess what, it takes male and female to pro-create.

      • Kinetic1

        Crystal,
        Not all Heterosexuals have children even though they do have sex. The point being missed here is that Gays are not asking for the right to harass other soldiers or have sex in the barracks, they just want to be free to talk about home. When a straight man receives a photo of his girl friend back home, he may choose to put it someplace where he can see it each day. A gay man may have the same desire, but he does not have the same right. Why?

        • crystal

          Your wrong. My military experience has seen just the opposite. You’ve never been in the military so you like many other civilians don’t have a clue. The military is not a 9 to 5 job like in the civilian world. There is a lot more at state here.

          • eddie47d

            So what you are saying is that lesbian women in the military can and do have pictures of their significant other in their wallet or on their night stand.

          • Robert Smith

            From crystal: “military experience has seen just the opposite.”

            It would be for a fearful coward. Why didn’t you report those you gripe about? Either you are a coward or you are lying about the experience.

            Which is it? Please answer the question as has been demanded of me so often. Or aren’t christians accountable to anyone about their hateful abusive god?

            Rob

      • Robert Smith

        chrystal says: “Guess what, it takes male and female to pro-create.”

        So I conclude that any military person injured so they can’t have kids are out of the military.

        Also, any post-menopausal woman can’t marry.

        Anyone who for one reason or another your christian god makes stirle for any reason has to go for reduced rights in America.

        How christian of you crystal.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Shut up, moron! You don’t know anything about God and would like it if there were not Christians in this great country, which, by the way, were founded on Christian principles. You’re just an antagonist and have no intelligence whatsoever. Cite your sources! I got one for you dealing with the libs and conservatives:

          Ecclisiastes 10 verse 2
          The wise man keeps his heart in his right hand, but the fool keeps his heart in his left.

          Get the picture? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            and the coward is soooooo abusive in his hateful christian god’s name.

            At least I ain’t afraid all the time of an abusive god.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

  • Tasmanian devil

    How would a streight guy feel roomed up with a gay guy while trying to undress, shower, etc. while he is being stared at by a queer. Why don’t we let men room with women. Not going to happen. What ever happen to this Country and its Christian background?

    • Doc Sarvis

      Whatever happened to respect for the professionalism of our fighting men and women. We have the best military in the world. Other countries have openly gay people serving in thier troops. You must think that our military is incapable of doing something another country’s military can do. I know that our military has the professionalism and discipline to incorporate openly gay individuals better than any other country.

      • crystal

        There is a reason we are the strongest military in the world. Why should we copy weaker nations.

        • Doc Sarvis

          I didn’t say “copy” I said we can do it better – much better!

          • crystal

            With all your worldly military experience (which you obviously have none), please enlighten us as to the betterment of our military.

          • Robert Smith

            Crystal, chrystal, chrystal…

            Why don’t you PROVE your military standing you claim?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            Why don’t you?? all you have done is spout a bunch of BS that anyone could get from the internet!!

          • Robert Smith

            And crystal hasn’t given us anything.

            So, why don’t you apply your standards equally and demand crystal prove her military service and what can only be presumed to be a lie in her experience with what she calls lesbians?

            Oh, that’s right. You don’t believe in equality.

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Tas asks: “How would a streight guy feel roomed up with a gay guy while trying to undress, shower, etc. while he is being stared at by a queer.”

      First, when I had a gay roommate he didn’t stare at me. I didn’t care what he did for sex and he didn’t care about what I did (except for that one night he went to the EM club because I was with a BAM in the room).

      “Why don’t we let men room with women. Not going to happen.”

      Sure it did and continues to. We rented a small appt. off base. It was great for a few months and then we let the rest of the leese tick down as roommates. I’d bring other girls home, and she brought guys.

      Rob

      • crystal

        Men and women do not bunk down with one another in the military. Rob get a clue.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberta,
        That BAM, did that stand for broad azzed man??? With you I just didn’t know!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Nope, as anyone in the military knows it is “Broad assed Marine.” Some took it as a compliment and others not so much. The one I was with was from the Ft. Myer Parachute Club.

          Rob

  • ted

    Wow: I did not realize that there is so much homophobia in the USA until I read the comments.
    It is just wrong for someone willing to die for his country, and then is ‘outed’ and gets discharged, even though he has not “told”. Others told on him.
    Most gays will continue to serve without telling…..
    and, please folks, if you think the Bible is the actual World of God, you are sick, as if we followed everything in the Bible, we’d be in trouble. We pick and choose what we want from the Bible and forget the rest; this is not right.

    • crystal

      Truth of the matter is you are sick, not the United States. Since you state that you are not from this country, why is your country not number 1? Why aren’t people knocking down doors to get into your country? What’s wrong with your country’s morals that makes citizens of the world look past you when fleeing from their own country. I don’t know where you’re from, but if you’re part of that “European Union” you need to clean up that mess before you even begin to think about what’s happening in the United States.

      • Kinetic1

        Crystal,
        People immigrate to other nations every day. The difference is that they don’t make such a big deal about it.

        • crystal

          Did you even read what I responded to?

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Having served in the Marine Corps, I especially agree with Henry in Florida. ” “Righteousness exalteth a nation but sin is a reproach to any people.” God is long suffering and normally very merciful but His WRATH can be stirred. ( Rom. 1:18-28)

  • Paul

    The military lets A-Rabs enlist, I just as soon have a “GAY”. The worst they can do is “FOOL” around with you, the A-RAB might kill you.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Paul, what would you do if a girl “fooled” around with you?

      BTW, except for 911 LOTS of women have KILLED men for a large number of reasons. I haven’t heard of very many gays who have killed straight folks.

      On the other hand I’ve heard of several gays who were murdered by straight folks just for being gay.

      Go figure…

      Rob

      • crystal

        Jesse Dirkhising 13 year old boy raped for hours and murdered by homosexuals because they could. Mary Stachowicz murdered by a homosexual for being a Christian. On “America’s Most Wanted” there have been a growing number of homosexual men murdering heterosexual people. The problem is that everytime someone wants the over-the-top liberal media to bring the story to the forefront or in the news at all, the media hides the story.

        You can also check out your local Law Library, there are plenty of people murdered by homosexuals. It’s “WAKE UP” time, Rob.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Most murderers are heterosexuals. Of course they are a majority of the population. Are there murderers who are homosexuals?; – of course. Do hetersexuals and homosexuals murder their own “type” and/or the opposite “type”?; sure. It sure does not seem you have much of a point here.

          • crystal

            Doc, if you read what I responded to, you would understand the point. Ron stated that he hasn’t heard of very many homosexuals who murder. If you are going to respond, read what individuals are replying to, then maybe, just maybe you’ll grasp the point.

          • Robert Smith

            Chrystal, I responded with the facts in the case and the poor guy was harassed by a christian trying to get him “straight.” He reached the end of his rope, got tired of being harassed, and broke.

            Rob

        • oldtimeyman

          Thank you for bringing up the Jesse Dirkhising torture and murder. The two sodomites who repeatedly raped, then killed that poor boy were largely ignored by the MSM, while Matthew Shepard, (an openly queer pervert who was murdered after trolling for a “partner” in a Wyoming bar) was promoted by the same MSM and his murderers were called everything but human.

          I am sick of the entire lesbian and fag agenda and yes, they are organized and yes they do have an agenda. Well guess what? God also has an agenda.

          • Robert Smith

            If your ever so allegedly powerful god has an agenda why are there still gays at all? If he can kill off almost all the people in the world except those with Noah how’s come he can’t stop gays from being gay.

            Looks to me like your god is a hateful loser.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Looks to me like Stachowicz was harassing Gutierrez trying to force her version of christanity upon the lad.

          Here is an account: “On November 13, 2002, Stachowicz attended Mass at the Basilica of St. Hyacinth in the Chicago neighborhood of Avondale before beginning her shift as a Polish–English translator at the Sikorski Funeral Home, where Gutierrez worked as a janitor.[1] Nineteen-year-old Gutierrez tipped police off when he speculated he thought someone had killed her and stuffed her body in the building’s crawlspace.[2] He was working at the funeral parlor and had recently been laid off and was being evicted.[2] Area 5 Cmdr. Lee Epplen of the Chicago Police stated that Stachowicz and Gutierrez got into an argument after the woman tried to persuade him to change his lifestyle, police and prosecutors said. Gutierrez told police he became enraged after Stachowicz questioned him about his sexual orientation, said Cook County Assistant State’s Atty. Nancy Galassini during a bond hearing. After she proceeded to ask him “Why do you sleep with boys?”. He became even more angry and Nancy Galassini said “The defendant punched and kicked and stabbed the victim until he was tired. He then placed a plastic garbage bag over her head and strangled her.”

          Gutierrez later concealed her body in a crawlspace under the floor. Prosecutors also accused Gutierrez of sexually assaulting Stachowicz, a charge that was denied by his defense attorney.[3] In a confession videotaped by the Chicago Police, Gutierrez said he panicked because Stachowicz’s trying to get him to change his sexuality reminded him of his mother. “She had this sneer, which reminded me of my mother when she used to beat me…I saw nothing but red,” Gutierrez was reported saying in the Chicago Sun-Times.[4] Later his defense attorney, Crystal Marchigiani, said that it was Gutierrez who had been physically attacked by Stachowicz, and that, “She could not leave him alone.”[3] Gutierrez was sentenced to life in prison on July 2, 2007.[5] His defense attorney asked the judge to account for his childhood history of physical abuse, but Stachowicz’ son was convinced that Gutierrez should receive the death penalty.[5]”

          You can look it up at Wikipedia.

          • eddie47d

            Crystal; 90% of all children who are sexually molested are by friends or family members.That figure doesn’t include strangers who could be of either sex. So it is probably closer to 95% by non-homosexuals. This is from the Child Molestation Research and Prevention Institute. This information can also be found in the works of Dr. Nichols Groth.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberta,
            Hey scuzzbucket, you gonna blame the little kid as well??? If it’s ok for the perv to kill for her preaching to him then I gusee it’s ok to kill a perv if they try to pick someone up that’s straight, right??? you are a real prime scuzz!!

  • Anti Government

    Unbelievable the intolerance for our fellow Americans. Dick Cheney’s daughter is gay and he has accepted her for being gay. This is an equal rights question and to not be tolerant is to not be a good American, or Christian. It says a lot of things in the Bible that we would not think of doing. What I hold on to for my belief is to love thy god and love thy neighbor as my self. I don’t know how people can justify bring a Christian and at the same time denying others their fundamental rights. I do believe that god does still love all of you intolerant gay haters and I will pray for you. It is easy to hate others when you don’t have a personal relationship (friend, brother, etc.).

    • crystal

      So we’re suppose to destroy an entire military to appease Dick Cheney?

      • Anti Government

        They said the same thing would happen for black integration. I think the military is strong enough to with stand it.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          have you noticed that we haven’t decisively won a war since the military was integrated ? Coincidence ??

    • 45caliber

      I love my children. And I’ve told them so. (None of mine are gay.) However, I’ve also told them a few times, “I love you but I don’t like you very much right now.”

      The fact that Cheney still loves his daughter has nothing to do with DADT.

      • Robert Smith

        But old Dicky is a christian and he has accepted his daughter.

        Rob

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Antigovernment,
      Wow!! Now because he did something you like Cheney is the best thing since sliced bread??? Before all I hear from you Nobummer lovers is Cheney is the puppet master pulling Bushes strings and he’s the devil incarnate!!! Will you sissyboys make up your minds???

  • JKO

    Here’s my take. First I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is correct and pretty straight forward. Here’s the question -does God love “homosexuals”? Yes he does. It is my job as a Christain to show the love of Christ to each person I run into and let Him take care of the rest.

    What consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom is between the two of them and God if He is invited. What I don’t want is having gay and lesbian activist flaunting in my face and doing things on the street that my husband of 31 years and I would be arrested for doing. I liked dadt because it kept everything private – as it should be.
    In my experience if you love people where they are the Lord will work in their hearts and they will change as needed.

    I wouldn’t dare to come against any of these things as a person who is 50lbs overweight. I eat too much candy and other stuff. I say words I should not say. Jesus said that those who have not sinned can throw the first stone. Well I would be hanging my head and going home.

    As for slavery the Bible – in the New Testament – says for slave owners to treat slaves with respect and for the slaves to treat their masters with respect. It does not say for it not to happen because I believe God realized it was something that was going to happen.

    Those of you who are Christians should stop using Old Testament law to back up things. We are under Grace now not Law. While this is not a license to sin it is a license to not stone those that go against the Law. Show the Love of Christ and He and the Father will work out the rest.

    • Teresa

      very well said..

    • Anti Government

      Well said JKO. I for the same reasons believe DADT should be repealed. My wife does not like affection in public whether gay or straight. As far as slavery, it doesn’t matter what the bible says on this it is wrong! I as a Christian do not go by the old testament.

      • crystal

        You probably don’t go by the Old Testament, because it is a set of law, rules, and discipline.

        • Anti Government

          I have no problem with laws but should we not eat shell fish or pork? Should we out law masturbation because it is better to spill ones seed in the belly of a whore than to cast it on the side of the road. These are outdated laws. When we live our lives with love we will follow the rules and laws. One should not be expected to follow outdated laws.

          As for your statement, “Imploding? Maybe. Still Number 1? Yes. Better than that hell hole you’re living in.” I tell my kids that life is what you make it. What are you making it?? Why so much hatred?

          • http://naver samurai

            I wish you libs would quit misquoting the Bible. It only increases your punishment in the afterlife. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • crystal

      Jesus didn’t come to eliminate the law. A lot of Christians create this lie that the “Old Testament” doesn’t exist anymore and everyone can just go along and do whatever pleases them. Not so. Jesus came to clarify. There’s a big difference.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. And he also said many times, “Go and sin no more.” But that seems to be a line that a lot of these so-called Christians always fails to read and remember.

      • JKO

        Not saying the Old Testament does not apply. I’m saying we are under Grace and not under God’s wrath anymore. This still does NOT mean I can do as I please. I still am responsible to live a life that glorifies God and Jesus. I don’t have to sacrifice to atone for sin because Jesus died for that. Hebrews talks of some of this. People often go back to the OT as justification for this or that and we don’t want that. We have a new convenant now. If you can continue in your sin and call yourself a Christian you need to really seek out to see if you are saved.
        Not trying to start a doctrinal law here. Live as Jesus taught us (and the early church leaders) and the rest will work out.

      • http://naver samurai

        100% agree. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • 45caliber

      Sorry, I disagree in part at least. Jesus himself said that he didn’t come to replace the law.

      He saves by Grace, as you said. But you still are expected to do your best to honor and obey the laws as set forth by God. A lot of people insist Jesus is Love – and He certainly is. He is also the Judge. And I don’t believe that He will immediately dismiss all sins committed due to His Love when He is a Judge. Like the Tough Love system, He will still love you when He condemns you to hell for deliberately sinning. I believe that you should ask for forgiveness for your sins each day and strive to be more like Him in every way. That means trying your best to not sin. And as we try, we get better at not sinning. However, if you CHOOSE to sin, those sins will not be forgiven unless you have a big change in life. No one can alibi those sins by telling yourself, “He loves me. Therefore I can do as I like and still expect to go to Heaven because He loves and will forgive what I do.”

      • JKO

        Only one sin condemns you to hell – not accepting Jesus. Only one thing gets you to heaven – accepting Jesus. If you are in Christ you are going to heaven.
        Now the question needs to be asked – if you can continue in your sin are you saved??
        I do things wrong – but I always feel guilty until I have to go to the Lord and confess. When / if I ever get to the place where that guilt does not happen I will be very worried.

        • Robert Smith

          Or, if one doesn’t believe in the hateful corrupt christian god so many around here to believe in there is no issue of heaven or hell based on their myths.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Only one way to find out, roberta!!! I think you are more trying to convince yourself than us!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Another misinformed opinion from Joe. Are you proud of your 100% record of falsehoods, Joe?

            Rob

  • traderphil

    Your country is imploding and you folks discuss sexuality in the armed forces!!???? Good to see you have your priorities straight!!

    • crystal

      Imploding? Maybe. Still Number 1? Yes. Better than that hell hole you’re living in.

  • 45caliber

    In other words, Gates is saying that if Congress doesn’t repeal DADT that the military might try to enforce it or not and upset a few people, so it is better to repeal it and upset a LOT of people. Makes a lot of sense to me. That’s like saying that it might offend some illegals to capture and send them back home so it would be better to offend 80% of the rest of us by not doing that.

    • crystal

      Good point.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    WoW; this discussion sure flushed the queers out of the broom closet !

    Actually, I’m torn on the subject. One thought is too ban homos completely from the military. The other side of me says let them serve in segregated units on the front lines. Maybe enough will get killed off to discourage their fellow queens.

    • Robert Smith

      How christian of you gunner. Kill the gays.

      Seems a bit extremist to me, but hey! Isn’t that what your version of christanity is all about?

      Rob

      • eddie47d

        I don’t think gunner or Victor at7:25am are Christian. There are so many falsehoods against so many people it’s hard to keep all the hate straight. Hitler played that “game” also but in truth he despised gays. He had one gay man in his inner circle, Ernst Rohm whom he used for gay acceptance to get elected . In 1934 he had established his power and had this man executed. He in-acted stiff penalties against all gays which eventually lead to their annihilation in camps. In 1942 to further his agenda he passed a law that all homos would be shot on site. In America Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams wrote Swastika: Homosexuals in Nazi Party. They belonged to Abiding Truth Ministries and wrote this book to turn Americans against gays and found a way to demonize them: By lying about the Hitler connection. Another interesting fact is that the true Socialist party of Germany denounced Hitler and the sinister path he used to get elected. Hitler went against them and used the term Socialist in their Party’s name. I have seen a few on this site who like to say the Nazi’s were socialist and socialism = Hitler. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Hitler lied about that too. There are other American authors who write gay bashing books (Paul Cameron). If you want hate filled “facts” to enhance your anti-homo feelings then he’s your man.

        • Viktor Leben

          eddie,

          Yeah, like he Repubs are pretty liberal .. The big GOP tent ? Remember when Newt wanted to end abortion funding back in the 1990′s ? Was it 40 pro-choice repubs congressman who squashed that deal ?

          Hey Eddie, relax ! Gay Republicans are going to Hell just as fast as Gay Democrats ! Who cares about Cheney’s daughter or if Hitler was gay or not. Hitler is in Hell right now. If Reverend Fred Phelps is right – all gays are going to Hell. According to Rev. Phelps you Gays are incapable of being saved from Hell. Your all reprobates…

          If the kind Reverend is right, Cheney’s daughter is going to Hell also. Their is no hope for her …

          I don’t agree with the Reverends picketing of military funerals.

          What I do understand is you homosexuals caused Rev. Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church members to crack mentally. You vexed them with your evil abominable deeds so heavily that they had a breakdown. Are you proud of yourselves ?

          That’s your plan – you want to persecute all the Christians mentally …
          until they are so vexed they crack.

          Who is the evil one now ?

          • Robert Smith

            Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, and all the folks the hateful dittoheads follow.

            Bigotry and hate are a choice. And, they are not family values.

            Rob

          • Viktor Leben

            Robert,

            There is another innocent man you evil ones vexed to death -Jerry Falwell ! Are you proud of yourselves ?

          • eddie47d

            Victor can sure ramble on and on! Where do you get your assumption that I am gay? If I defend a black man will that also make me black? If I despise Hitlers actions against homosexuals or Jews does that make me a Jew Or a homosexual?Your mind has been fried by inconsistencies and hate.

  • who cares

    Honestly do any of you believe Gods would save those who are hateful, name calling, judgemental toward others. Do you believe by hating others earns you points from God? You who support the GOP. The GOP who used, and refused to give the poor a tax break, refused to extend unemployment benefits for the unemployed, and the 9-11 first responders. they refused to sign on unless they (GOP) who are millionaires themsleves and gave their corporation bodies and the very wealthy families a tax break. Is there a place in heaven for them? and those who supports them? Campbells soup who is worth $6.8 Billion Dollars their savings is $1.3 Billion. Why is Wal-Mart the family (not store) who is worth $86.8 Billion Dollars would receive an estimated $32.7 billion tax break. Mars candy family worth net $30 billion could save 6.0 billion in taxes. all of us will pay for their tax breaks in term of higher prices at the stores. (18 families helped finance and coordinate the anti state tax campain) What about Bill Oreilly, Glenn Beck who made $35 Million Sean Hannity $22M, Rush Limbaugh $58 Millon why do they need a tax break?? how many jobs have they created, produce?? Free speeech Republicans, and hateful groups use it to its fullest extent. Is there free speech in Gods eyes or hate speech?? You have seen Tea party hateful signs of people they don’t like or because they think, act, dress differently or has a difference of opinion from that of yours, pictures of President Obama, Nancy Polisi, and those who are different like being Gay or of different color you act like God. you condemn them from the way they think. neo nazi they clame to be for God and Country But what country (USA) Does God have a place for them? who knows maybe. What about the Christian right they are hateful group and they preach hate. even you try to hide you’r hate but it comes out. you think by using God at end or before a sentence you think you’l be saved. But will you? I could sit here til the cows come home not even God could change the way you think about others. As 45 caliber say: “The fact that Cheney still loves his daughter has nothing to do with DADT. Cheney has a lesbian, dauther I am sure most of you have give her a pass because shes a republican and of you’r double standards just as you did with Bush, remember all of you use say about Bush But he kept us safe except 9-11 does not count. I see why republican party seeks your support you are lost souls. In one hand you hate on the other hand you do it for God and country. poor little souls.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      who cares,
      Think, think man!!! If we save the stores money we aren’t gonna have to make up ANYTHING in higher prices!! We would have to pay higher prices to make up their loss of higher tax!!!!!
      now I know why all you libbies are for the progressive bills! You are unable to think them through!!!

      • Anti Government

        Joe
        Think, think man!! If the the store accounts for less than 10% of the population but account for 90% of the wealth who has the power to pull this country out of this mess? It is so clear that the record corporate profits have translated into jobs and extra taxes in the government treasury?? And Santa Clause is real! The 90% have only the 4th amendment to protect it. This is not a sustainable system. Think things through!!

  • who cares

    All of you SICK, SICK people. your condemning your self by condemning others in the name of God. As all of you say God and country duh.

    • Viktor Leben

      Who cares,

      Hey, relax dude ! Some people don’t want to spend eternity with the Christian God ! Robert sure doesn’t, he prefers hell !

      What I hear about Hell is that many of the fallen angelic inhabitants hate God. They also hate the men and women inhabitants … Why you may ask ?

      Because Man (made in God’s image) reminds them of God …

      Welcome to Tartarus (the abyss) ROBERT, you’ll be in the company of like minded beings !

      Welcome

      • Robert Smith

        Ain’t part of your crummy hateful god, Victor. Don’t believe in him.

        However, you are free to live in fear of he who has killed bunches of born human beings that he called “sinful.” Then he let the one gi who offered his virgin daughters to the mob, and eventually had sex with them.

        Some god.

        Rob

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Why do libs always use religion as a club against anyone who disagrees with them ? Any other time it’s “seperation of church and state.” I think the military would fall strongly in the State column. During the World Wars, particularly the First, England, Germany, and France used up much of their true men on the battlefield. The sick, lame, and lazy stayed home and bred more of the same. This is one of the reasons that these nations are has-been world powers. I repeat if the homos want to serve in the military they should be put in segregated units and put on the front lines to test their worth in combat. The military is not the place for social expieriments. Why should our sons and daughters in the military have to put up with this additional burden ? The ones pushing for this are either gays themselves or liberals who want to make themselves feel better at the expense of our national security.

    • Anti Government

      Gunner,
      Great idea, but why stop at the “Homo’s”? Shouldn’t they segregate the Muslim’s? The women should also be segregated. While we are at it maybe the Mexican Americans should be segregated. Why aren’t the blacks segregated? Segregation has worked so well for America. Segregation would surly leads to a unified fighting force!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        definately the Muslims should be segregated. How many times have they turned on their own fellow soldiers ? Remember Ft. Hood ?

  • http://simplynatural.blogtownhall.com/ Ted Birnbaum

    Gunner689 you have it right. Gender, sexual behavior/orientation are valid factors for military policy. The military provides separate bathrooms for the genders. Sex is a factor of life that cannot be ignored…like say skin color. And I agree if the military can find a place for homosexuals where their presence does not cause a problem, then they should do it instead of discharging them.

    • Anti Government

      Good idea. If we keep them all together they will be easier to keep an eye on them. If they become a problem then they are all together and can be rounded up easily. When you put it this way it doesn’t sound all that crazy??

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        I like the way you think. When I was a Marine machinegunner in Nam and the crap hit the fan the call out would be “guns up!” Now it can be “fags to the front!”

        • Robert Smith

          Hey gunner, why not take the hateful right wing “christians” and put THEM in their own unit and let the rest of the military with loving religions alone?

          Rob

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            who would that be, those peace loving muslim ? You confuse disagreement with hate, racism, homophobia, or any other bumber sticker names. How just about people who believe in common sense?
            you and your fellow libs keep beating the drums in favor of homosexuals. Give it up; you’re too old to get in the military. Stay in the bath houses where you belong and are appreciated.

  • HenryfromFlorida

    Coming out of the closet and acting like a girly man in a combat situation could and very likely would make a gay man a potential target from the front and sides like everyone else. But it could also make him a target from the rear also. Are we all so sure “don’t ask don’t tell” isn’t the best option?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      No, the best option is to let them be interior decorators, hair dressers, actors, clothing designers, ect. But keep them the hell out of the military. It’s too improtant a job for someone who identifies themselves by their sexual perversion.

    • Robert Smith

      More wanting gays to die. How christian.

      Rob

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        no one has to want them to die, they’re doing a good job of that themselves. They’re perverted life styles and diseases like AIDs will thin the herd.

  • CUZIN ERN

    The nation doesn’t want or the Armed Services doesn’t want Obama’s “Tight Ass Policy”..
    The only constructive uses of those who were “Butt Taggers” was Adolph Hitler
    during the Second World War….1939-1945….

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