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GOP House Leaders Make Pledge To Cut Taxes, Control Government Spending

September 27, 2010 by  

GOP House leaders make pledge to cut taxes, control government spendingRepublican leaders in the House of Representatives recently released a pledge to Americans, outlining their plan to cut taxes and repeal the new healthcare law.

The GOP-written "Pledge to America" vows to create new jobs and control government spending. Conservatives hope the 21-page document will help Republicans take control of the House in November's midterm elections.

"Regarding the policies of the current government, the governed do not consent," reads the preamble to the pledge, according to media reports. "An arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites makes decisions, issues mandates, and enacts laws without accepting or requesting the input of the many."

In response, Representative James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said the pledge, if enacted, would be a "plague on Americans." He argued that tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which is part of the GOP's agenda, would add $700 billion to the nation's deficit.

Other elements of the pledge include a hiring freeze on all government agencies, except for the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security, and a ban on Federal funding of abortion.

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  • dan az

    Sounds like they are getting a little nervous,times running out and they think that they can say anything to try to protect there azzes.Well its not working and you all need to get in line at the nearest unemployment office.

    • Beepster

      Personally, I like the Heritage Foundation’s SOLUTIONS FOR AMERICA much better. That gets into the nitty-gritty.

    • Carole Howell

      Hello, it was the GOP’s tax cuts during war time that put us so deep in debt you sillys. You cannot take in less money and then quadruple your spending and not go deeply into debt.

      It is not rocket science.

      • http://none Alex

        You are correct, Carole.

        • http://naver samurai

          So we should just let Obama bin Laden raise our taxes and continue spending the same way he is now? Gee, doesn’t sound like we’ll be getting out of the red anytime soon! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DavidL
          • Robert Smith

            From Samurai: >>>THe liberal way will not, can not, never has, and never will work.History has proven that. <<<

            Are you making over $250K? What about the rest of us? The "trickle down" hasn't worked. The rich are getting more and more and the rest of us get less and less.

            It's time that the rich pay their fair share. They can live high in America they should help pay for the great country that enabled them to become rich.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Robert Smith – I think it is comments like yours that make me fully realize what is wrong with this country now – the leftist little people are filled with greed and envy over what those with a little money have – I’m a little person myself but still dream.

          • http://naver sook young

            Robert, it seems to me that you have a problem with rich people. If a person becomes rich by working hard, pay taxes, giving to charities, etc., what’s wrong with that? I’ll tell you what, I’m not a rich man either and sometimes its hard to make ends meat (Especially with 4 kids!), but we do a darn good job of making our budget work. All I know is that Obama bin Laden says he only wants to tax the rich? This is a lie. He’ll just start there, but when Obama bin Laden care starts up there will be more taxes inside that program that everyone will have to pay, no matter what. Rob, please get off of the kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://yahoo joyce

        carole the dems have been in control since 2006 and has been running things ever since. if we do not cut the coroprate taxes we will never have jobs because they are the one who make the jobs for the rest of us so we can work. the dems. want to tax everyone who makes 250.000 dollars. these are the small businesses that put people to work.has anyone ever had a job given to them by a poor person? think about that for awhile. this current govnment can not do anything but spend our money.

        • Robert Smith

          Said: >>>if we do not cut the coroprate taxes we will never have jobs because they are the one who make the jobs for the rest of us so we can work.<<<

          Really Joyce? The taxes were cut on the rich and it put America into a ditch.

          It's time to get them to pay their fair share.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually its this administrations spending, the “welfare state, Fannie and Freddie, and the dems legislation that got us into this ditch. We patriots are trying to get us out of this ditch. So just stand aside with the other libs and let us get it done. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • EddieW

      The thing I’m afraid of is the “Contract w/ America” might just be more rhetoric to get elected…like all the other promises they make to get elected, then are forgotten!!! We need to make sure of who we elect…what is their record on spending, tax cutting, keping the constitution???

  • s c

    First, #@$^* Clyburn and everyone like him. Second, the GOP is way too late to use a cheap political tactic to bring sheep back into the fold. Third, if there’s a good way to define the GOP, it’s a ‘bunch of arrogant and out-of-touch, false elites.’
    The GOP (with the eager assistance of the ‘Democrats’) have been screwing America for over 150 years. Good riddance, GOP. ‘Democrats,’ find another country to infect.
    Flush the toilet. Clean house. Fumigate the nation.
    Do what it takes to take America back, and let the chips fall where they may.

    • dan az

      sc
      you have such a way with words!thanks!

      • Granny Mae

        Yes he does, doesn’t he ! Love it !

      • http://none Alex

        You must not be the same dan az who decries invective so often.

    • jim

      SC for prez!
      I wonder if the rest of the world ‘gets it’ yet? We must clean house this November; for if we fail to do so, I fear a civil uprising worse than the first.

      • slickporsche

        Actually and practically speaking, an armed civil war would be great. The winner would take all the spoils of war. That is the only way we will ever get a constitutional government. The next government installed would be too damn scared to be naughty.

        • Bob

          Hey Slick It’s better than spending the rest of our lives rotting in a detention camp.

        • Bob Wire

          slick ~! the rode to hell is paved with good intentions.

          History tells us , ~ civil revolt to be very ugly in nature and the victors never the one’s who starts it. And the reasons for revolt get lost in the process of the revolt as it takes on a life of it’s own and belongs to no one. ~ The victors ~ good fortune often the results of simply timing and opportunity.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      s c… I agree! Too little, too late! Unless we get people in who are going to listen to the voters, we are going to get the same old crap. There are a few out there that are making head way. We’ll just have to give it time to see if they hold up.
      One of the biggest complaints the voters have is all the pork barrel spending. When will Washington wake up to the dissatisfaction the voters have for that? And the lumping together of important issues that should be voted on separately? Barry campaigned on the premise that a red marker would be used to whittle out the pork. To the best of my knowledge that has yet to happen….

      • CJ

        I keep saying, you can’t fix a problem when you only have broken parts to use. We can’t elect something that isn’t on the ballot. When all the potentials are corrupt, or corruptable, the real problem continues.

      • Bob Wire

        They did listened to the people Sir/Madam ~ Now let’s face the facts the people you want them to listen too ~ was very late with their message and offering what you/they wanted ! ~ not so much as even bothering to offer Capital Hill a message until a few months after the general election results.

        The unified message you were broadcasting was “drill babe drill” ~ “Country First” ~ and this election is not about the issues but about “character”! ~ Your message was heard! ~ You got the “drill babe drill” part until the “oops!” You got the “character” (oops! wrong one)

        but instead of country first, we got “the people first” ~ that was one of our (DNC) request.

        Two out of three is not bad for a losing party out of power! Be more careful what you wish for in the future!

        We got our message in early ( 2007) while you was still counting your dough, talking to your “investors” dabbling in some day trading and cleaning your pistols.

        You need to get in line ~like everyone else with your “wants” and wait your turn, as you seem clueless to what most American’s needs are, just like Mc Same and Mrs Moose Meat Chile. There’s a word that comes to my mind, “Out of Touch” ~ with both Joe 6 Pack and Father Flanagan

    • Bob Wire

      yes he does, a little too crass for my taste. While it is true, this crass approach is what it takes to get the message across to hard heads, it’s the lighting rods that’s willing to stand tall, speak out and take the hit, that seem to provide the impedance for change. But in this case, he’s not exposing himself to anymore harm then the rest of us, hiding in the ambiguity of cyber space. Just offering tenor to the message. “Quit Spending!” ~ I’d add only one word, “Foolishly”

      For government can’t quit spending and be effective government and Federal taxes are about as low as they have every been. A 3 1/2% increase will be felt of course. As it’s more then “chump change” for anyone bringing down 250 G per year. There goes the little woman new Lexus and the family ski trip every year. ~ darn it! Maybe some of McCain family will have to provide their own housing, you know? kinda like the rest of us Americans.

      It’s the influence of “special interest” that has creates the breeding ground for this “foolishness” while the Tea Party wishes to dance around the subject. Until they are willing tackle it head on, from the side or rear. I’m not too impressed with the movement all that much and consider it purely vibrato from a lynch mob wanting a quick “feel good” solution to difficult and complex issues.

      Feel free to bring your morals and values to government but keep your religion out of government. “Don’t ask and don’t tell” should apply to the origin of your values. As to where they came from not near a important as how sound they are and they should stand on their own merits.

      bw

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Bob Wire… Keeping religion out is why our country is failing…

        • Bob Wire

          No Sir ! Moral compass has gave way to self righteous hypocrites that claim to be “Christians” ~ Tell me that’s not so!

          • Bob Wire

            Like like to refer to them as CINO’s (christian in name only)

          • http://naver samurai

            You’re drinking too much kool aid and spouting too much atheist nonsesne, so just shut the f!@# up! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • CJ

        BW, your attitude seems to be “if you can’t definitely fix it, don’t attempt to start…”. Well, at least the Tea Party is doing SOMETHING. And, as far as religion, the government seems to be acknowledging religion by putting down ONE ideal of religion. The Constitution says not to make “law respecting the establishemnt” of a religion, but nothing about following an ideal. Taking your appearant perspective, all our laws should be cancelled as their concept of right and wrong reflect a Christian ideal. You can’t have it both ways.

        • Bob Wire

          CJ , I’m just asking you to leave your “Holy Water” at home. ~ but bring the results of it with you.

          Like my little nephew came home one day with a note from his school teacher, asking his parents to make sure they didn’t allow him to wear his “Incredible Hulk Underwear” to school anymore. It seems, they gave him incredible power and he was beating up on the other children and creating discourse and mayhem.

          You can’t be a public servant of the people of believers and non-believers alike and be a zealot too! The best way to not be a zealot is to not talking like one. ~ I don’t want to hear it! Other people really don’t want to hear it ! Save it for you family, friends and places of worship and your homes.

          Is that too hard to accept or ask of public officials ~ If you want a “get down gospel session” met somewhere that offers and panders to it.

          I enjoy a good “hells fire” & “come to Jesus” sermon from time to time myself ~ but I don’t go to town hall for it.

          • Christin

            You are in quite the sour mood.

            See what happens when you kick God out of your life, this conversation, our schools, the gov and America.

            That’s what got us in this mess in the first place.

            It’s people with attitudes like you who brought about this Godless America… and we are all suffering for it now, because the Godless are in charge… thanks.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      How can a party allow such a horrid party to get re-elected
      Clinton left Bush Heaven On Earth
      Bush left Obama Hell on Earth
      Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget and four balanced budgets
      Bush Left Obama a 3600 Budget
      Clinton left Bush a 5700B of Debt
      Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt
      Clinton left Bush a 237,00 net new jobs created per month
      Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest since Hoover.
      Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth
      Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars
      Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
      Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
      Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
      Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment
      Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
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      How can any honest informed person vote to re-continue such horrid actions and results?
       

      • CJ

        It was Clinton era policies that failed under Bush II’s service. Clinton’s admin was the source of most failures of the past decade. Bush was entraped by policies he could only navigate around. Only a fool would take the numbers at face value and ignore the documents which created the problem.

        • Bob Wire

          That’s pure horse manure! You might have been partly right if you’d suggested ~ Clinton was offered some long term upside of Reagan / Volker policy . ~ but the facts fail to bear your statement true.

        • DavidL

          Reagan and his voodoo economics and anti-regulation schemes. Not Clinton.

          • Bob Wire

            True David, I’m being most kind and generous to the gentleman’s assertion and assessments.

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually it was the fair housing act under Carter and legislation passed by Clinton that made this economy and the housing situation what it is today. Also, don’t forget about those lib supported businesses of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack. I think you and bob wire need to pull your heads out of your arses before making such insane comments like these. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Bob

            All the presidents of the last 100 years have been controlled by the same rich elitists. So cut the blame game crap. You are all doing the work of the NWO by dividing the people. We should be uniting to fight the real enemy.

      • Jeff

        How can any honest informed person vote FOR A “One World” governance?
        Blame the Republicans? The Democrats? They’re all rats pushing for the same ending!

        • Bob Wire

          I understand your cynicism Jeff and there good reason for it ~ but I look at it this way ~ I have very little in common with 95% of most wealthy Americans. With only a “one vote per person” system making us equal ~ you’d think the wealthy would have little voice or say in political matter.

          But you and I both know, that’s just not the case ~ don’t we? How did that happen to be? How does that work?

          It works via “Special Interest Influence” ~ I maintain the belief the GOP is for sale to the highest bidder ~ and the DNC only to a less extent. How much less? ~ I’m not completely certain but it is significantly less.

          Money is the blood of politics and as it is said , makes for strange bed fellows.

          • Angel wanna-be

            BW, wake up yokel, your DNC has been highjacked_-my grandparents were DEMS, my God if they came back and saw what you progressives have done, they’d die all over again!__

    • BrotherPatriot

      America LOVES it!

    • http://yahoo joyce

      sc you are right about the dems.and republicans but the dems have proven that they can out spend the repubs.and in a shorter of time.

  • Jim H.

    They know what we want to hear to get elected, Now if they would just follow through and DO it.

    • slickporsche

      Jim how many years have they been playing that very same game. It never ends and the politicians simply become more powerful. It is now time to fight them with guns and ammo. They are laughing at us this very moment. However, they will not laugh at our bullets and when they find out that most of the US military is against them also, they will really feel the fear.

      • Beepster

        Slick, that’s going to happen, and probably sooner than you think. When the Kenyan activates his “civilian forces equal to the military” before elections to cause riots and havoc in the streets, that leaves him the opportunity to declare a National Emergency and declare Martial Law in order to pospone the November elections. Load those weapons and keep the safeties off.

    • BigBadJohn

      like the balanced budget amendment and term limitations we were promised…..

    • CJ

      When you accept one moral theory allows lying, as long as the ends justifies the means, you can see why politicians don’t feel immoral in their actions. They just have a different end in mind. They feel they know what we need better than we do ourselves.

  • Angel wanna-be

    I like it when our legislators, begin a conversation with “WE’RE GOING TO CREATE JOBS!”__and I’m a Repub!

    No one creates jobs, except Entrepreneurs!

    Removing the regulation and taxes that restrict growth, is the key!
    They’re going to have to reduce the feeding of entitlements. It’s going to have be gradual, much like weaning a child off of milk, to solid food, other wise it’ll cause a panic. Question is, will they do it?

    • slickporsche

      YOu already know the answer to that one!

    • Bob Wire

      Now see, a perfect example of dancing around the issue of “Special Interest Influence” ~ you did everything but say it! You refused to label it! ~ These “restrictions” are due to “special interest” and entrenched power on Capital Hill.

      Why is it so hard to do?

    • AMJ

      We can’t wean the system gradually, it leaves too much room for questions and loopholes. It will never get done unless it is done “cold-turkey.” You throw away broken items in your house, we need to do the same with the “House” it’s broken, we need another one, a better one now, not sometime down the line.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Oh! All those millions work in fed-state-local government are entrepreneurs!
      Pentagon same?

      Funny how things work
      Greatest domestic growth in nations history
      with high very high income tax rates.

      Bush huge Tax Cuts got what?
      100% Increase in Spending
      100% Increase in debt
      31,000 net new jobs per month
      Lowest since Hoover.

      Failue to get revenue via taxes created much of our current debt.
      Reagan + Bush 2500B Tax Cuts went to Rich of Richest.
      16 years of it.How much did it cost in loss of revenue from Rich
      10 Billionaires became 403 Billionaires.
      1% gained 281% In Income
      Middle Class gained 25%
      1% gained-Wealth
      Owned 20% total financial wealth in 1980 and 43% In 2008.

      WSA owns
      Largest Corporations
      Largest Banks
      Largest Media
      Congress
      White House
      120,000,000 hard workers
      olduglymeanhonest

      • Conservative Immigrant

        Bush is a liberal too.. All ya all need to figure out what’s going on. If we don’t replace every politician every time, corruption stars to set in. It doesn’t matter what party someone belongs to, they’re just two gangs trying to get power. We can beat the politicians by voting for someone new every time. Don’t listen to the ads. And we are going to have to start paying our own bills too. Shut down public education, social security, medicare, fire departments, libraries and a whole host of other things and pay for those services out of your own pockets. Any time you have a bunch of money around the rats come running. You can only control your own life if you are willing to let the other guy run his too.

      • http://naver samurai

        Is that all you lib pieces of trash can do is blame Bush and Reagan? Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Why don’t you post some TRUE facts and cite your sources? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • BigBadJohn

          http://zfacts.com/p/57.html

          Reagan’s Budgets and the National Debt

          New Data: Congress Reduced Reagan’s Budgets slightly.

          The upshot is that Congress actually appropriated less than Reagan’s budget requests on average and also less then G.H.W. Bush’s. Only by about 0.5%, but Congress shares no blame with Reagan.
          I also checked stories in Time magazine and the NYTs for the first Reagan budget, which the supply-siders and Reaganites claim was the big over-run by Congress. Totally wrong. First of all the Senate (with equal say) was Republican, and second lots of the Southern Dems sided with Reagan and they massacred the more liberal Dems. This budget was only 1/2 a percent high, and it sounds like that must have been the Republicans’ doing.

          http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
          US National Debt Graph: What They Never Tell You

          So how did Reagan, the great debt-slasher, go so far wrong? Partly it was his belief in supply-side “economics.” This “theory” claims that when the government cuts taxes, especially taxes on corporations and the rich, it makes them so happy to keep more of their money that they work much harder, get richer, and pay even more taxes than before the tax cut. So the lower the tax rate, the more money the government collects to pay down the debt! Believe that happy talk, and you can run up quite debt.
          Of course the rich loved this “theory” and fed the press many stories about the wonders of the new supply-side “economics” (cooked up by Laffer, as a graduate student). Money talks, and a lot of people listened. It’s time to rethink what radical conservatives have done and are doing to our country. The Reagan-Bushes National Debt now totals $9.2 trillion. That’s the lions share of our present debt.

          • http://naver sook young

            Thanks BBJ! I’ll look at this video and take historian style notes on it.

  • Homer

    Congress, whether republican or democrat have been saying the same crap since I can remember: we are going to cut taxes, we are going to reign in on spending and we are going to …yada yada, yada…you aren’t going to do anything except for allow an infidel and a foreigner and a Foreigner from Kenya to destroy our country! You are going to allow the American people to be placed under govt power and tax the hell out of this country and spend that tax money on 400 dollar afternoon lunches (mrs Obama’s lunch bill) on the tax tab! You people are bound and determined to destroy this country and you need to go! To Russia or China etc and live under Communism, and see what it is really like!

    • jim

      HEY! There’s a thought: remove the current administration along with the complete House and Senate and outsource them all. (But DO send them all to China or Russia or Cuba (places the seem to like so much) for an extended vacation…a very LONGGGGGG and deserved vacation. Remember in November!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    A transparent political stunt, just like Ginrich’s Contract on America years ago. They ran a campaign on that document full of promises and did not deliver on a single item.

    • Angel wanna-be

      Obama’s the same way, no damn different!

      • Doc Sarvis

        Well he told us in the campaign he would get a health care bill, get our combat troops out of Iraq, and how he would approach the economic crisis. Based on that the people voted him into office and he has done those things – not Exactly as he wanted or as others wanted but he worked to make progress on each issue and has done so. He is not the best but I have no doubt that he is working hard, working smart, and working for the benefit of the United States of America. And I am an Independent.

        • J.M.R.

          you sound like democrat to me

          • Bob Wire

            Yea , he told it the way it happened! darn democrat !

          • AMJ

            He sounds like an idiot to me.

        • s c

          DS, your White House “God” is a LIAR. Those troops will be recycled through Afghanistan. You’re an independent like I’m a rocket scientist.
          Can’t you bring anything to the table without sounding like a broken record? Ye gods, did they remove your conscience when you became a card-carrying PROGRESSIVE?

          • DavidL

            Sorry, SC. No one would ever suspect you of being a rocket scientist. (HA)

          • Bob Wire

            yea ! it’s not rocket surgery! ~~ Obama having time trying close GITMO and bring the war to a closure ~ he’s having the same results the rest of us are getting. ~ Wanting it is one thing, getting it to happen another.

            There some many places that don’t want these prisoners ~ and some can’t be permitted to be free.

            And the troops coming home all at once to “NO Job’s” is a call for disaster in the making. ~ Many joined up for simple employment or family medical coverage.

            We up the $ creek without a paddle and be the same for any president that might be in office today.

            It took 5 years to shut Nam down and the end was ~ messy. and the after years wasn’t so peachy keen either. ~ Economy slow down, inflation follow by recession. ~ Yep ee! here we go again. When will there wars for no good reason ever stop?

            The last half reasonable war, we stopped on the 38 parrell

          • Bob Wire

            yea ! it’s not rocket surgery! ~~ Obama is having a time trying close GITMO and bring the war to a closure ~ he’s having much the same results the rest of us are getting. ~Finding that Wanting it is one thing and getting it to happen another.

            There is some many places that don’t want these prisoners ~ and some can’t be permitted to be free.

            And the troops coming home all at once to “NO Job’s” is a call for disaster in the making. ~ Many joined up for simple employment or family medical coverage , or young men looking for a “purpose” much like I did when I joined up.

            We are up the $h1t creek without a paddle. It’d be much the same for any president that might be in office today.

            It took 5 years to shut Nam down and the end was still ~ messy, and the after years wasn’t so peachy keen either. ~ Economy slow down, inflation follow by recession. And still the South Vietnamese people continued to suffered greatly by the hand of many, from Pirates to NVA to dead ordinance to forgotten land mines and booby-traps. ~ Yepiee! here we go again. When will these wars for no good purpose ever stop?

            The last half reasonable war we fought, we stopped on the 38th parallel, I think the world was just tried. Korean Vets, resent it being referred to as police action , I don’t blame them ~ if that’s what it was, they should have send in the police, ~ as is, we still have 4000 MIA still on the books from that war to this day. 4000, missing.

            let us find serious purpose in our next war ~ what you say?

          • http://naver samurai

            First of all, bob quit repeating yourself. If we didn’t listen to you the first time, a second time won’t make any difference! Second, S.C. I don’t know if they’ll be sent to Afghanistan or not, but guaranteed they’ll be rotated to Afghanistan and Iraq at regular intervals. I also think they’ll not be placed on our open southern border. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Craig

          “working for the benefit of the United States of America.”

          LOL…yeah sure he is.

        • LifeRyder

          Doc Sarvis you are as out of touch as most others.

          • Bob Wire

            No Doc , is dead on ~ it is you that is out of touch with Americans .

            Doc is just slumming ~ much like myself ~ We are bring you resistance to your views of present affairs. ~ For without us, silence would offer you only validation. And you need so little validation to begin with, it’s imperative we attend your little lynch mob.

            You need to get out more!
            bw

        • Angel wanna-be

          DS, ROFLMAO!!!_____Obama’s workin hard & smart?! He has little say about anything buddy boy, he’s a figure head with veto power only!__His majority in the House & Senate, and the puppet masters do his bidding, Obama’s nothing more than a front man, to take the glory or the heat!___

          • Bob Wire

            and I thought I heard you complaining about getting HCR shoved down your throats? So we’re to think that,~ that was a “do nothing” event? Preformed by a Man with no plans or ambitions no talent and no skill?

            While special interest spent 1 million dollars a day for 5 months in a attempt to defeat HCR? ???????? one million per day for 5 months! It bought your convictions didn’t it? Well for what it’s worth angel, your convictions were bought at a very heavy price tag, if it makes you feel any better.

            You need to made up your mind ~ it can’t be both ways and offer validation to your statements.

            You are wrong or you are right ! but you can’t be both.

          • Angel wanna-be

            BobW, I don’t have to do an F_IN thing!_-Find your own validation!!!!

          • Angel wanna-be

            BW___ Now I”LL repeat what I said below___a friend of ours now 37 and was double transplant 15 years ago, kidney/pancreas diagnoses>(cancer)__his kidney’s are now fully shut down once again and on dialisys 3 ti week! He is in disability and everything for him is paid in full!_Kids/babies had health care,it’s called Medicaid!__ Each state carries their own brand of it_-No more BS about people dying in the streets without care BW_Your blowing smoke out your azz.-If people are without healthcare insurance, then either the family or they themselves are too lazy to get up off their azz and apply for it___Shove your rhetoric, I happen to know this is true!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          All of you can call me names but I don’t see anyone offering a credible argument or evidence against what I said.

          • Angel wanna-be

            Oh yeah we got change alright, the very thing Reagan warned us about waaay back in 1961!__That Socialism would rear it’s ugly face under the guise of Socialized Medicine___WAHLA!____Obamacare.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
            And his puppet masters did it ALL for the care and concern of American people. Even despiting the facts that over 60% of the American people didn’t want it! Healthcare needed tweaking, tort reform and allowing people to buy across state lines. NOT TO BE TAKEN OVER!’Quite frankly we won’t get tort reform, that’ll cut into the lawyers pockets, hell we can’t have that!!!_-you think bambis crew did so well, we’ve have good friends of our into the stock market, they themselves can’t believe the stock market is still holding it’s own and hasn’t fallen. The only thing the Obama Administration is good at is DECEPTION, and speaking with a double edged sword!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Angel wanna-be,
            Your friends in the stock market must be glad that what President Obama did must be working – granted at a slow pace. As for health care, last I checked, the same insurance companies are out there selling health insurance, not the govenernment. Sure there are some good new regulations imposed on those companies, but I for one am glad that children with pre-existing conditions are covered by insurance now.

          • Angel wanna-be

            DS, kids were covered it’s called Medicaid.__BTW___ We have a friend of ours, who 15 years ago, had a kidney/pancreas transplant(CANCER). He’s back in full kidney failure and on full dialysis__3ti week!__
            He’s on disability & Every thing is paid in full!!!!

            Don’t hand me this sh*t that babies and children were dying in the streets with out healthcare!___Besides each state has they’re own version of healthcare for kids!!!!__Who the hell are you trying to kid????ONE NEEDS TO ONLY GET OFF THEY’RE Azz AND GO APPLY FOR IT!!!_As Much crap as you spew I figured you’d be better at lying than this!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            You’re starting to sound like a bleeding heart to me. Bleeding hearts are nothing more than cowards and traitors and should be kicked out of this country. How about you tell us some TRUE facts and CITE your sources, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • CJ

          If you believe he is working for the BENEFIT of US, you sure must have a poor concept of life. Maybe your life is bad, and you just want the rest of us to suffer along with you. Misery does love company.

          • Doc Sarvis

            CJ
            Thanks for your concern about my life; which is very good. I have a good job (though it doesn’t pay much), I work hard (as I’ve done all my life), I have a great family (which I am thankful for), and I live in a great country.

          • Bob Wire

            I’m now glad that if I’m required to subside well employed Americans medical insurance coverage via Federal Tax dollars , I can no longer be denied coverage myself! ~ How ~~~~~~ ?? Fair!

            That’s a big thing to me! and being a sore spot for years. I’m not miserable, sad or unhappy ~ but that many here “are!”, pleases me greatly.

            I use to be pissed ! ~ but after 15 years of being just pissed ~ I had to let it go. Now, I’m glad that you are pissed ~ and I hope you stay that way ~~ for a very long time! as it’s only ~~~~ fair you should!

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Newts
      exit polls in that years election
      75% knew nothing of CWA
      8% said it affected their vote

      • Doc Sarvis

        Which polls were those?

        • DavidL

          Hey Doc,
          I join you in your views above. Most American citizens are “opposed” to the new Heath reforms because they don’t know what they are. When they do, they will not want to give them up. Here’s is some of what I like:
          1. The health care reforms MAINTAINS THE PRIVATE HEATH CARE SYSTEM WE HAVE. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER OF HEATH CARE. Those who say there is are either ignorant of the fact, or are running for office.
          2. Children cannot be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
          2. No one with insurance, including all those writing on this site who have insurance, can be dropped because they get sick. They cannot be dropped because of annual or lifetime caps.
          3. The heath insurance companies must spend 85 percent of your premium on medical care and not on “administrative costs”. (Huge salaries, etc.)
          4. 30 million of our uninsured citizens can now buy, yes BUY, health insurance. This will help to reduce the over 40,000 citizens dying each year because they do not have insurance.
          5. Preventive health care service are now free. No co-pays. So go get screened for cancer today!
          6. Children can stay on their parents insurance until the age of 26. In this economy, that saves lives.

          No wonder the heath care providers are screaming and throwing words like socialist, Marxist, and totalitarian government around. These reforms cut into the bottom line of their for-profit business which only makes money if they don’t insure anyone. Our health care market needs more reforming. And the rhetoric used today is not new. These are the terms the Medical profession’s hired PR firms used in the 1940′s to kill health care for all. Ronald Reagan got a pay day for READING A SCRIPT.He was wrong then, and those spewing the same ignorant garbage are wrong today. President Obama deserves tremendous credit for this major accomplishment.

          • Bob Wire

            Yea DavidL, ~ it’s a no brainer really ! Some people just think they know. ~ or they attempt to compare apples with oranges.

            The health insurance providers pumped 1 million dollars a day for 5 month into “programing people” via media of all sorts ~ that HCR was bad for them.

            And it worked ~~ and almost defeated the process of coming into law. Oppositions huge investment is still offering them dividends.

          • Bob Wire

            and Ronnie was an excellent pitchman for cooperate America and tooth paste commercials.

            A democrat turned republican when he bought his first riding lawn mower and got all uppity while Nancy told him , she thought that his tractor was sexy!

          • Conservative Immigrant

            On item #4 they have always been able to buy insurance. On your last point the insurance companies love all these new regulations because if they are all required to provide something then they can raise the price, which brings your point about being able to keep my old insurance policy a bald faced lie. I want my old policy without “free screening”,or 26 year old kids, or any of the other “great” features of obama care because the price is too high. That’s All.

          • http://yahoo joyce

            you think that the health care that the dems. shoved down everyones throat come back in 2014 when the whole bill takes effect and let us all know how it’s working for you.

    • Conservative Immigrant

      The promise was They would bring the 10 items up for a vote. There was no promise that The senate would pass them too, or that clinton would sign it even if it passed both houses. Duh

      • DavidL

        Hey Conservative Immigrant,
        The health care reform law will over time reduce taxes and reduce the deficit. Don’t believe the Republican attack rhetoric. The cost of the new regulations and reforms is approximately 1 percent. Some insurance carriers are increasing their rates 9 percent. This is price gouging and not the new health care law. Price gouging has to be addressed.

        If you really want to dramatically lower costs of health care and cover everyone, then we should stop the fooling around and go to a single-payer, not for profit, medicare for all health care system.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry dude, but Obama bin Laden care has been proven unconstitutional in federal courts across the country. After the November elections, you’ll see it start to disappear! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DavidL

            Got ANY case citations to back that up? Didn’t think so, dude!

          • http://naver sook young

            Check out what happened in federal court in Virginia this past summer. The judge ruled in favor of Virginia saying that parts of the bill had some serious constitutional issues. The courts in Missouri also ruled in favor of the people of Missouri by saying that the state collecting fees/fines on those who opted out (A yearly fee, no matter what) was unconstitutional and now will not be collected anymore. These are just a couple, but since more states have filed injunctions against it they will be more coming. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Steve R.

    We all wish something like this had a chance to succeed. Then some idiot decides to place abortion along side of spending and the whole thing goes down in flames. Tackle abortion on its own and stop making it the boat anchor that keeps us pinned to the shore forever. Every time abortion is tied to these types of initiatives they go down in flames before they get started. Or maybe they already realize that and its part of the plan for more lip service and less action

  • CJM

    Take notice Republicans….we will hold you to your pledge; the very first thing I expect is that you repeal the obamadeathbill. The second thing I expect is that you take the authority of the various agencies in their ability to regulate everything we do–the US Constitution states that ONLY CONGRESS MAY ENACT LAWS, not regulatory agencies. You need to start removing some of those restrictions on the public because they have been illegally imposed onto the American public as a law rather than an administrative directive.

    • zarquiekia

      If you vote them (GOP) in office they will not care about a pledge full of empty words that can be easly broken or since you and others are on a roll of believing lies, lie to keep you believing in their lies.

      • Bob Wire

        “Read my lips, No new taxes!”

        just more old ones!

        • http://naver samurai

          He was forced to raise them because of a dem controlled house and senate, moron! Get your facts straight before you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • s c

        Z, about 90% of what you’ve said today sounds like a repeat of what your family and friends throw at you on a regular basis. Do you have what it takes to be an independent thinker?
        I suspect that you’ve never read the Constitution, you don’t know how important it is to know what that document means, you let yourself absorb raw emotions like a sponge absorbs water, and you aren’t in the habit of thinking (as opposed to “feeling”).
        If you plan to be a regular on this website, get used to being cornered, because most of your words come straight out of the progressive handbook. If you’re not thinking all the time, it could be argued that you and your family and your friends don’t exist. THINK! You do NOT have to be just another unthinking robot.

      • Craig

        Yes but if I am to be lied to. I’ll take being lied to from people that are not Marxist pricks, like Oidiot.

      • LifeRyder

        Surely you are aware the campaign speeches are nothing more then hot air. Candidate are never going to follow through, nor are they obligated to do so. That is just one of the problems…accountability.

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          Studies have shown that most presidents try to fulfill campaign promises. Clinton made 58 in his book “Putting People First”
          A check showed he did take “action” on 56 of 58 in first two years.
          Wash Post listed 162 campaign promises.The followup showed he took action on 96% in first two years. He did not, of course, get all he wanted.

          Health Care Reform. Financial Reform. $$$$$$$$$$$ TALKS
          For decades polls said 70% favored reforming Health Care.
          Before election 70% were for Financial Reform

          Insurers and WSA spent many many millions financing groups to kill the bills.
          70% did reverse. Polled against them.
          $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CONVINCES LIES $$$$$$$$$$ BUYS OPINIONS

          Like Reagan invasion of Grenada.
          70% were against it.
          He went on TV and said “We have whipped the Vietnam Syndrome and got Communism on the run”

          Invasion of island with 88,000 inhabitants and 10,000 BB guns!

          70% Then approved it. ????? Wow. Suggestible population
          Iliteracy rate is what?
          olduglymeanhonest

      • slickporsche

        I have a good one for you and other Muslims, go back where you came from. We do not want or need you. How does that grab you????

        • Doc Sarvis

          That is not a very American thing to say.

    • Norm

      CJM
      The Republicans, in a typical hypocritical manner, are talking about abolishing the healthcare plan at the same time they are embracing some of its provisions. They are now praising some of the insurance regulations like max yearly and lifetime limits.
      They will never, at least for the next 2+ years, muster the power to overturn the law. In fact the healthcare law, as anemic as it is, is here to stay.

      • Bob Wire

        Hmm? well as long as Health Care Insurance providers enjoy anti-trust immunity what might you suggest?

        Just a little more of the effect of special interest influence working for us.

        You can keep your stock and the back forty gate open but you must hobble your bull, and even then some the girls might leave for greener grass.

        It’s one way or the other?

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        Funny! Five of most important parts they have in the Pledge
        Republicans have no integrity or no brains or .
        CWA
        Resulted in what

        1995 Congress (Newt got 73 New Barbarians)
        5000 Bills Resolutions presented
        1500 Floor votes (no filibsutering)
        Passed 88 Bills—-all time low
        Congressional Quarterly labled As Worst Congress since 1933 Repub “Do Nothing Congress”
        Moderate R fighting Newts new 73 Barbarians

        2010 Congress same. R Do Nothing.No No No.
        Good For Middle Class No No No No
        Good for Rich Clss Yes Yes Yes Yes

        What a crowd!!!! $$$$$$$$$$ WSA $$$$$$$$$$$ GOP $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

        Want to finish off Middle Class give R Control for 16 years.

        RR GWB Tried.

        • http://naver samurai

          Knock off the lib rhetoric and state some TRUTH for once.

    • BigBadJohn

      Sorry if this is off-topic.
      I keep hearing, and part of the pledge is, repeal Obamacare.

      1.) we need healthcare reform – insurance companies should not be able to exclude anyone they want and coverage should be affordable.

      2.) Obamacare is almost exactly like Mitt Romney’s health care proposal.

      3.) the public option was scaled way back from the original draft.

      Just what exactly do you consider the problem with Obamacare?

      • AMJ

        Any governmental intrusion into the private sector needs to end. We have been born into and raised in an environment that is dependent on the government. Many Americans can’t understand any other way because this is the way it has always been. They haven’t read or don’t understand history and they don’t realize they have a better life without intrusions on their life. We need to take responsibility for our own lives and quit depending on the government for the decisions that make or or break us.

        • BigBadJohn

          Not sure I agree with that totally. I agree the government should not have a direct hand in the private sector, but they need to regulate the private sector.

          Deregulation caused the S&L crisis.
          Deregulation caused the banking crisis.
          Deregulation was the primary contributor to the BP oil spill.

          With no regulations, corporations or rather the CEO/owners/officers, will pursue the path to greatest personal profits – to hell with the consequences.

          • CLARENCE SWINNEY

            BBJ ON TARGET

            Free WSA let em rape midlle class
            1% own 43% Total Financial Wealth–get 24% total Income
            80% own 7%— 120,000,000 workers sweating

            WSA will kill to get that 7%

          • http://naver samurai

            Clarence you are drinking way too much kool aid on a daily basis.

        • Bob Wire

          well end anti-trust immunity !

      • Brad

        Qouted from BigBadJohn

        Sorry if this is off-topic.
        I keep hearing, and part of the pledge is, repeal Obamacare.

        1.) we need healthcare reform – insurance companies should not be able to exclude anyone they want and coverage should be affordable.

        A. You asked for it and now you have it, by law the health care industry can not drop any person, your health care plan just went up, under the law you can only purchase premium policies for all which is in the law and now you are paying more for it.

        2.) Obamacare is almost exactly like Mitt Romney’s health care proposal.

        A. Wrong, upon Mitt Romney’s departure the Massachusets legislature got their hands on the states health care legislation and changed it, now the states health care system is broke and looking for a bailout.

        3.) the public option was scaled way back from the original draft.

        A. The public option was removed for good reason, it would have bankrupted an entire industry putting millions more on the un-employment list.

        Just what exactly do you consider the problem with Obamacare?

        The govenment mandate, no tort reform, no competition across state lines, health care industry denying coverage due to age; i.e. HCR act and cost of maintaining your quality of life.

        • slickporsche

          In your infinite wisdom what is wrong with our current system. It is probably the best in the world. It is not socialized and that is what the libs want. America is a republic, and most of us would like to keep it that way. I am for repealing all of that dim wits bills and solving problems, the sensible way. ONE STEP AT A TIME.

          Too much government in our lives, the insurance companies are known to be crooked, and will stiff you any chance they get.

          • eddie47d

            The insurance companies are of the capitalist bent which you revere.

          • BigBadJohn

            here is a ranking of the world health care.

            http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

            The most likely reason the USA is so far down the list is because there is little or no emphasis on preventative medicine. The health care industry makes money on sick people so they have no interest in keeping them healthy.

            The USA is number one when it comes to heroic efforts to keep someone alive for an extra 2 months, but that is also what costs the most.

        • BigBadJohn

          “A. You asked for it and now you have it, by law the health care industry can not drop any person, your health care plan just went up, under the law you can only purchase premium policies for all which is in the law and now you are paying more for it.”

          I think that the insurance industry should not be able to drop anyone they want. example, simple but you get the idea, A coal miner starts when he is young and healthy, the mining company has a co-pay that the miner can afford and he raises his family on it. The miner is now 50 years old and developes lung problems, he can not work at the same capacity so he is fired. Then the insurance company denies him coverage. The same goes for pre-exisitng conditions, that same coal miner wore out his knee while mining. He finds another job, gets health insurance but they deny knee joint replacement because it is a pre-exisitng condition.
          Personally I do not think this is right.

          Just what exactly do you consider the problem with Obamacare?

          “The govenment mandate, no tort reform, no competition across state lines, health care industry denying coverage due to age; i.e. HCR act and cost of maintaining your quality of life.”

          Tort reform, yes it would save money and yes a lot of law suits are frivolous.
          But this falls right into my negative views about the libertarian party. They hate all regulations on industry and think all regulation should be dropped. The argument is “you would still be able to sue”. Well with tort reform, you would now have industry able to do what they want, when they want or steal anything they want from anyone they want, with no penalties at all.

          What I would like to see implemented, is what some states already have implemented “contributory negligence”.
          If you are 50% responsible, then you have to deal with your own insurance. If the other person/corporation is responsible, then you can still sue them. This would have stopped the McDonald’s coffee lady, she put the hot coffee between her legs and took the top off, she certainly contributed more than 50%.

        • DavidL

          Hey Brad,
          The heath care reform law needs to be improved along the lines you suggest in your last paragraph. You personally, though, can’t deny the benefits you and your family are enjoying today, right? Your children are safer. You and your wife are much safer.

          Over the long haul, this new law reduces taxes and the deficit. The costs of the new law and requirements on the industry cost about 1 to 2 percent. The insurance carriers are increasing the premiums about 9 percent. This is price gouging and should be addressed. We need to keep improving it. We need to stop fooling around and dramatically reduce costs by going to a single-payer, not-for profit, medicare for all system.

          P.S. We have Tort Reform here to address the issue you raised. IT DIDN’T HELP ONE BIT!

          Nice talking to you, Brad, hope you and your family are well.

          Dave Long

          • http://naver samurai

            If you think this will reduce taxes, think again! There are many places in this Obama bin Laden care that smells of taxes. Just look what has happened in Virginia and Missouri for you answers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Proud to be a Christian

        The problem with Obamacare is not so much the actual medical but all of the other crap that was put in it. Ie when you sell your house there will be a 3.8% tax assessed, now what in the world does that have to do with healthcare????? Plus you will have to have a license to sell your house and it will have to be up to code meaning hurricane/wind resistant windows and doors, roofs, etc., blah blah blah = All of these cost money that people don’t have. Of course your health insurance is going up as they can’t put a lifetime cap. Also what about the rationing of healthcare which goes on now and will become even worse, as if you are too old they will not pay for the procedufe ie heart by pass, kidney replacement etc etc AND WHY IS CONGRESS EXEMPT!!!!! and all other people who are buying their own insurance and it happens to be a great policy will have to pay a penalty because it will be considered a Cadillac insurance policy BUY NOT THE ELITE OF CONGRESS OR THE PRESIDENT – HE__ no. We as seniors already have to pay monthly for medicare (its deducted out of our pensions automatically) and I understand will go up drastically to help pay for his great plan. Some things are ridiculous and boy oh boy this regime can come up with some lolliplozzes!!!! Like the new 1% transaction tax that they are trying to get thru, that means every deposit you make in the bank, every transfer from account to account, every check you write, you have to pay a tax of 1% on the use of your own money that has already been taxed in the first place – isn’t this double taxaction at it’s finest. I could go on an on and on, however it is so depressing to say the least.

        • BigBadJohn

          ugh you need to check some of that rhetoric for factual content.

          You mention transaction tax:
          “This is an idea originally floated in 2004 by a SINGLE MEMBER of Congress, Democratic Rep. Chaka Fattah of Pennsylvania. So far it has attracted little support and gone nowhere. The White House has not endorsed it.”

          http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/1-transaction-tax/

    • DavidL

      If the Republicans get back into power, don’t hold your breath about what they say they are going to do. Where are terms limits? Where is their balanced budget?

  • zarquiekia

    The GOP are for the wealthy. We’ve had ten years of tax-cuts for the wealthy and jobs have not been created but America has lost jobs. The jobs Bush create for 8 years were low-paying jobs with little or no benefits. Wages went down under Bush and taxes increassed for the middle class and working poor. The GOP vote for everything Bush and Cheney wanted and the GOP are not offering anything any different. In SC, which is a republican state has a very large state deficit. How can the republicans explain that and they are suppose to be conservative? Republicans in SC give tax cuts to the wealthy who lives here but we have low-paying jobs but even low-paying jobs are not being created and republicans have been borrowing from the federal government but the middle class, working poor, and the poor don’t know where this money went but the middle class and working poor are paying for it.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      zarquiekia… What has Barry done for you?

      • zarquiekia

        I don’t live in the city where Barry was governing. Why would I expect Barry to do something for me here in SC?

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Zarquiekia… He is supposed to be ‘governing’ the entire country. You made my point. Thanks..

    • s c

      Z, I mean this as constructive criticism. You sound like someone who just graduated from high school. You are about to make decisions on economics, healthcare, government and what it takes to be responsible, and you alredy sound as though you’ve already been “politically programmed.”
      PLEASE READ and do constant RESEARCH into who says what, how they do things and the difference between covenient lies and ideas worth having that are grounded in TRUTH. Politics and truth rarely mix, and unless your education is better than it sounds, you’re about to become a hardcore ‘Dem,’ a lib or a progressive. This is America, Z.
      This is NOT UTOPIA. If you’re not thinking and comparing notes every day, you have NO chance to become a responsible citizen. STAY AWAY from emotions, and rely on proven standards and TRUTH.
      Pick your friends carefully, and if an idea ‘sounds’ good or ‘feels’ good, it’s probably 100% CRAP.

      • zarquiekia

        S C, I take pride in staying in reality and if I start to believe the bull that republicans and fox news are putting out I would be living a LIE! I live in America and I hold my country and its elected leaders to a much higher standard than catering to 2% of her wealthy population.

        • Bob Wire

          zarquiekia , don’t worry with sc , he try’s to put everyone in his box.

          I think he has maybe three boxes.

          and SC is in a economic pickle, the scaling back of the military is going to hurt you. ~ Your state need to diversify more. Your state has enjoyed much Federal consideration for 20 plus years. ~ is this not true?

        • Craig

          Oidiot hates America and all it stands for, like freedom and liberty. Yet you do not hold him to OUR AMERICAN standard.

          • CLARENCE SWINNEY

            PROOF

          • Bob Wire

            show me !

          • http://naver samurai

            Show us proof that he likes America, clarence amd bob morons! If he cares for America so much, why can’t he at least wear a flag pin and place his hand over his heart during the national anthem? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • s c

          Z, why is it so hard for you to distinguish between conservatives and Republicans? I don’t have to be able to read minds when I can see from your remarks that your mind was made up before you started sending feedback to this website. By the way, if you’re not already living a LIE, you’re on your way.
          If you’re not a “dem, you’re a lib. If you’re not a lib, you’re a progressive. Regardless of the labels, you’re in love with a bloated, pig government, and you words betray your social engineering background.
          And, if you don’t like South Carolina, move to another state. All you’ll be able to do for the next 30 years is to make it easier for scum to get elected, let illegals enslave you via a ‘living’ Constitution and never understand why your life gets more complex every day. ‘Liberalism,’ or whatever you want to call “it” is truly a mental disorder. Up the rebels!

    • Craig

      blah blah blah…same old tired well refuted libtard talking points.

    • slickporsche

      So you would like to do as the dim wit in the White House wants and add insult to injury in times like these? Every bill this fool has rammed down our throats is a new burden on the American public. There are no FREE RIDES, nothing is free and will cost someone money somewhere along the line. I have seen this before, and what everyone is waiting for is to get that fool out of the WHite HOuse and let the Republicans straighten it all out, like they usually do after years of the Democrats.
      Personally I would like to get rid of both parties, and start fresh with a constitutional government run by the people like it is supposed to be. That will take a war of heavy casualties, but I think it would be worth it.

  • patrick

    Oh Oh we are in big Trouble folks! This morning, Fox reported a new organization that found in one small community, a huge amount of fraudulent voting practices. What they discovered was so blatant that the investigators were amazed at how widespread the phony voting results were. So just begin to add up all the counties in one state and you see how deeply involved the Obammy administration was into getting their Keyna citizen into the whitehouse? And if you remember, the illegal & corrupt election results in Minnesota, you know the election of the jokester, Al Frankinstein, and how they dragged it out for months before Markie Richie gave the win to Frankfart instead of Coleman. Minnesota was allowing felons and dead people to vote which is illegal. I’m sure as you have all seen before, ACORN had a huge corrput hand in that election… that no one will investigate! Please watch while you are voting in Nov. and report any questionable practices when you go to the polls! The last time i voted I was never asked to produce any document as to who I was? Something smells … beware when you vote!

    • zarquiekia

      You are talking about Fox News who support the republican party and don’t know what the word “Truth” means?

      • Craig

        “You are talking about Fox News who support the republican party and don’t know what the word “Truth” means?”

        As if a libtard would ever recognize truth…lol

    • Norm

      patrick
      Quit crying!
      You sound like a kid in the schoolyard making up excuses every time he loses a ball game.

      • zarquiekia

        You sound like a robot pre-programmed to do and say what his creator input into him or her.

        • Bob Wire

          the “ditto effect” of the Fox zombies. ~ hey ! they are a majority!

          a majority of the only ones that matters to them.

          I’m kind of a majority of one myself!

        • victoria b

          I am not a robot but I do live by the input of my Creator. You all should be too.

          • CLARENCE SWINNEY

            VOTE TRIPLE A PARTY
            anti-christ
            anti-america
            anti-world

          • http://naver samurai

            Way too much kool aid clarence!

        • Norm

          zarquiekia
          Why’re you attacking me? I’m agreeing with you idiot.

          • Bob Wire

            Hmm? friendly fire? ouch!

    • http://yahoo joyce

      patrick you hit it right on the head this is why obama won the election along with the aclu seiuand the illeagal and all of the ones that registered more than once. so much for fair elections.

  • zarquiekia

    I will never, ever, vote for a republican are believe anything they have to say. The tea party movement the GOP support are racists and they are not smarter than a fifth grader. I would I vote for people who don’t know their nor my rights under the U.S. Constitution? Why would I a black person vote for a movement full of white people who hate the color of my skin? That would be foolish!

    • slickporsche

      We do not hate the color of your skin, we hate the way you misbehave everywhere on the planet earth. You have a history of violence and unrest, and are not succesful anywhere that I can think of. That is not our fault.You all need to look, listen, copy and learn. We got it goin on,and you don’t. Blend in and be part of it all. You are not capabable.

      • zarquiekia

        America was founded on violence and all through U.S. history white men have killed: Indians, Blacks (slavery, lynchings, KKK, S. America, etc.) and now the middle east can be added.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Zarquiekia… You are a bitter person. Violence is not the answer. You must have had some really tough times in your life. If you think things will improve under socialism, you are wrong. If you are keeping track of all the ‘perks’ Barry and Michele have since living in the White House, you should be able to understand that they are elitist. They do not care about you. Michele has spent more on vacations this year than most people make. I am not saying that this isn’t common practice in government, I am just saying that your vote is the only thing they truly care about. They do not want to live a lesser lifestyle. It doesn’t matter if anyone else does, just not them!

        • Craig

          WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          You are just another ignorant black person.

          • slickporsche

            Craig you sure nailed that one.

          • Doc Sarvis

            What do you have against black people?

        • victoria b

          Louis Fahrakan and Jeremiah Wright giving you a piece of their action? If not you should Demand it from them

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          Z you missed 15 million since WWII By our involvement on foreign soil

          Today the most hated Nation on Earth.
          1500 Milllion Muslim are justified.

          • http://naver samurai

            You lib trash sound no better than the cowards and traitors we have in office now! Why don’t you put yourselves out of our misery? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          Can we get off of the same old B.S. and have some facts here?

      • Bob Wire

        “That is not our fault. You all need to look, listen, copy and learn. We got it going on,and you don’t. Blend in and be part of it all. You are not capable.”

        I think you missed the point, ~ you are telling him what he’s not capable of , while telling you, this attitude of your prevents him from taking you serious and supporting your ideas about government.

        ~ at some point, maybe you’ll “get it” but I doubt it.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        First off, I want to give out some kudos especially to Bob Wire, his comments have been on point this morning. SC, I feel your pain and you’re right. Having said that, let me get my roast on…
        SlickPorsche, I was gonna call you a bunch of foul names, (most of them quite accurate, by the way) but your own words will do nicely…

        We do not hate the color of your skin,(we might be a bit wary of genetic annihilation) we hate the way you misbehave everywhere on the planet earth. (Unlike us who have brought civilization and enlightenment everywhere we’ve gone. Just note the death squads in Central and South America, propped dictarors in the middle east and asia, Hussein, the Shah of Iran, POl pot to name a few.) You have a history of violence and unrest, (much like we have had, internecine conflicts are part of the human condition )and are not succesful anywhere that I can think of.(but then again my cognitive faculties,thought superior to yours, take no notion of the Mali and Songhay Empires) That is not our fault.(We stand above and beyond and shall reamin blameless, no matter what the hell anyone says)
        You all need to look, listen, copy and learn.
        (Perhaps then you can have a culture as Magnificent as ours !!!)
        We got it goin on,and you don’t. (poor little tar babies)
        Blend in and be part of it all. You are not capabable.
        (So eat shyt and die)

        • slickporsche

          AAAAH HAHHAHAHAHHAAHA LMAO AAAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

        • http://yahoo joyce

          you peole down grading the black people should be ashamed. they are people and should be treated with respect. isn’t that what you want? treat others the way you want to be treated.

    • third party

      YOU sound like chis Mathews,the 100,000 still stands for a reward to anyone who,records,video tapes any of your false accusations.Also the real tea party really wants nothing to with the repubs,they hijacked them,but the tea-party needs funding because of the corrupt two party paradigm.

      • Bob Wire

        Ha! money! ~ via “special interest” we’ve came full circle again.

    • LifeRyder

      You have not been part of the solution, just the problem. There are more then a few AMERICANS (of hue, aka Color) that are interested in what the Great Usurper and his minions are -have been- doing to this country.
      It’s unfortunate that you are blinded with hate and lack of the forsight to understand. Playing the ‘race card’ is not the way.

    • http://yahoo joyce

      zarquiekia: what makes you think that the white people are against you because of your skin color? that must be because you’ve been listening to the dems for too long. why don’t you try making some friends with some of the white people your own age and see what happens you just might learn something new. the white people do not look at color as much as some colored folks would like to believe. most of us look at the character of a person does he/she try to do good or are they out destroying things, hurting people,stealing.this type of character is not good and it makes no difference if they are white or black, green, or purple,so don’t listen to the al sharptons, and rev. jackson they don’t want the american people to get along.you should be proud of your color because maybe some of your ancestors may have fought with the founding fathers when they started the U.S.A. OVER 200 years ago so be a proud black american and work hard to be the best you can. good luck younmg man

  • slickporsche

    More jobs are created when there is less government and cheaper labor. You really want jobs?? Well the your two largest ememies are the labor unions, and big government.Period. The rest of the problem is with us, the American citizen. We are too greedy, want to high of a standard of living, buy outside the country and Demand cheap consumer goods. The manufacturers are in business to make money, it is that simple. They know we want only cheaper goods, so they are under pressure to deliver.If they can go overseas and produce your $1000 cell phone, for less than $100, and they do and it is the reality, they will do it. You would too. Don’t kid yourself.

    Because of this, we are all part of the problem,not part of the solution. The first place to start is to rid ourselves of this totally over inflated pig of a government so we can breath. Then we need to rid ourselves of the labor unions. All of them. WE need a new government run by the people for the people and nothing but. After we rid ourselves of this large PIG, that is sucking us dry, things will improve rapidly. I believe that with all my heart.

    How much longer can we survive with these bandits and theives running things? We have the Mulims and the Hispanics overrunning the place and each wanting to take control. What does you government do? It helps them!! Would we be finacially in the hole, if we did not spend most of it overseas?? NO! We would have an enormous surplus. Your government cares more about running the world than it does doing its job running America. We are simply their enablers by paying taxes everywhere we turn. The better we do, the more power they have to do what they wish. WE need to load all of them on several hundred old ships and then use them for target practice. NO Great loss.

    • zarquiekia

      What is big government? You don’t like having the following: aid for natural disasters, firemen/firefighter, police, safe food, provide education for all children and adults, soial security, veterans benefits, etc. I know you hate welfare for the poor but you love welfare for the wealthy because one day you will be wealthy but for now you accept scraps.

      • photo lady

        If the playing field is leveled, and all the wealthy lose their wealth through excessive taxation, or just decide it’s not worth the hassle to run a business anymore, and they pack it in and go out of business, who will be left to provide the jobs that people depend on to feed their families? Who will be paying into the government coffers to keep the rich politicians in the style to which they have become accustomed? Where will the taxes be coming from to support the people who live on government handouts. Who will be paying for infrastructure like roads and bridges? I’d be really careful about always attacking the wealthy. They got that way by being smart, motivated, and driven to succeed. They have a vision that is greater than yours. Can you ever be an Oprah or a Bill Gates? Look at the good they do with their wealth. Do you want them to be poor because you hate the wealthy? Having wealth also means acting responsibly with it. Look at people who win lotteries. They blow the money and become poor again because they never learned self discipline or to think for the future. Everyone wants something for nothing and feel they are entitled to the things other people have put their sweat equity into. I’m in the working poor class, but am grateful for the wealthy people who have provided me with hospitals and libraries and universities and art museums. The wealthy build schools and fund research into diseases, and provide jobs and pay taxes. Why would we want to take away their incentive to keep doing what they do? They could just as well move to Switzerland or Canada (pick a country you like) and take their wealth with them. Do you want our country to look like a third world country? Who will support you when everyone is poor?

        • Angel wanna-be

          Well said, Photo Lady___The Government has driven out industry in the US. If They keep going they’ll drive out whats left of the Corporations, and then raise taxes on whats left of us! That should land us all in the sheep pen together, so they can better control us!_____ You can highly tax the job makers for while, they’ll eventually get sick of it and leave! Washington is nothing more than a bunch of toned deaf idiots___I always said, “None of us ever worked for a poor person”!__

        • slickporsche

          DO NOT worry, the (offensive word removed) will come up with something, they know better than anyone.

      • third party

        governments only job is to secure our borders against forgiven threats.FIRE,POLICE,FOOD SAFETY,EDUCATION ARE ALL THE STATES JOB,NO WERE IN THE CONSTITUTION,OR BILL OF RIGHTS IS EDUCATION MENTIONED,FOOS SAFETY,FEEDING SCHOOL KIDS,FUNDING STATES FOR VOTES ECT….

        • Bob Wire

          well, they need to get out of our bedroom then!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      slickporsche… There is much truth in what you say. The government does need revenue to operate, but not to spend foolishly. Nancy and her jet needs to go. All the presidential vacations on tax payer dollars need to end. If they were really into cutting back, they could, but they don’t want to. Both liberals and Republicans need to be exposed as to who is spending and on what!

    • THINK ABOUT

      You apparently read your faulty information that unions was the problem in the tabloids. Have you cheched the wages in the last few years and checked into how many union members the USA has today. If you are going to rant and rave about something try the executives of our corporations who are stealing billions from the companies they work for. There is where the money goes. Just follow the money.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Wall Street Owns and Controls
      Largest Corporations
      All Military Manufacturing
      All Big Banks– 10 own 80% of all bank deposits
      All Major Media
      Congress
      White House

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CONTROLS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    • Bob Wire

      Z “More jobs are created when there is less government and cheaper labor. ”

      I think that you are missing the point as I know people that have three jobs. ~ Perhaps you think they might be greedy?

  • Norm

    GOP ‘Pledge to America’ is Nonsense
    By Eugene Robinson

    WASHINGTON — The Republicans were doing pretty well for themselves as the Party of No. So why did they decide to rebrand themselves as the Party of Nonsense?
    All right, I’m being slightly disingenuous. Inquiring minds demanded to know just what the GOP proposed to do if voters entrusted them with control of one or both houses of Congress. But if the “Pledge to America” unveiled Thursday is the best that House Republicans can come up with, they’d have been better off continuing to froth and foam about “creeping socialism” while stonewalling on specifics.
    The problem with the Pledge is that the numbers don’t remotely add up. The document is such a jumble of contradictions that it’s hard to imagine how it could possibly pass muster with anyone who survived eighth-grade arithmetic — unless, perhaps, the Republicans have something in mind that they’re not prepared to talk about quite yet.
    The Pledge bills itself as a plan to “create jobs, end economic uncertainty, and make America more competitive.” These sound like worthy initiatives, but the GOP also promises to “stop out-of-control spending and reduce the size of government.” Most economists would contend that right now, given the level of economic distress throughout the nation, those goals are mutually exclusive. No matter, I suppose, since the Pledge wouldn’t really do either.
    To create jobs, the Republicans vow to make all of the Bush administration’s tax cuts permanent — as opposed to the Democrats’ position, which is to make the cuts permanent for the middle class but allow taxes to return to Clinton-era levels for households making more than $250,000 a year. The GOP also would give small-business owners a new 20 percent tax deduction on their business income. The Pledge also tosses in the perennial Republican promise to curb “excessive federal regulation.”
    But on the spending side, the party would take a number of actions that would immediately destroy jobs. Republicans propose a hiring freeze for federal employees — exempting the defense and security sectors. Since the private sector isn’t hiring, a public-sector job freeze would only ensure that unemployment remains higher than it otherwise would have been. The Pledge also proposes embargoing any funds from last year’s economic stimulus bill that have not already been spent — money that is meant to keep construction workers, teachers, firemen and others on the job.
    If Americans who might have been hired by the federal government or paid with stimulus funds are out of work, they won’t have money to spend on goods and services — and businesses, facing lower demand for their goods and services, won’t hire workers or invest in new facilities. Do Republicans actually want to send the economy back into recession, or have they just not read the document issued in their name?
    There’s much more. I’m just coming to the most dishonest — or, charitably, most insincere — of the Pledge’s many promises. Republicans claim to want to reduce the “massive” federal deficit. That is, indeed, a noble aim. But the plan is riddled with measures that would make the deficit grow, not shrink.
    Perhaps the biggest is not just extending the tax cuts, but making them permanent. Over the next decade, this measure would add an estimated $4 trillion to the deficit. The Republicans’ notion that cutting the federal budget will somehow make up the difference is laughable. The Pledge exempts defense, entitlements and debt service — the biggest components of the federal budget — and focuses on “discretionary” spending, which they would cut by “at least $100 billion in the first year alone.” Yeah, right.
    Sucking that much money out of discretionary programs would require draconian cuts in programs, such as education grants, that both red states and blue states have come to depend on. It won’t happen. And even if it did, the impact on the deficit would pale in comparison to that of the tax cuts.
    One funny thing: The “Pledge to America” mentions the phrase “Social Security” just twice in passing. If the GOP were somehow to enact its full plan, one of the only conceivable ways to keep the country out of bankruptcy would be to make radical changes to Social Security — perhaps privatizing the program, which George W. Bush tried and failed to accomplish. Is that what Republicans have in mind?
    That would be a question to ask before November. I think more than a few people would love to know the answer.

    • zarquiekia

      Don’t keep fooling yourself! Right now, social security cost American people $.0009 and if the GOP privatize SS it will add $3.5 trillion to the deficit. The GOP don’t only want to privatize SS but VA also and this too will add to the deficit.

      • Norm

        zarquiekia
        SS is a very efficient operation, and is trillions in the black. The problem is that the money was “borrowed” to pay for wars and other wasteful endeavors. Now the IOU’s may need to be called in and the cash isn’t there.
        As far as the VA medical program: It is an excellent well run, and generally well-liked operation. It’s the least expensive healthcare
        in the US.

        • zarquiekia

          Norm, you are so wrong. Right now SS is solvent and at a surplus. The claim is in 2037 SS will be in trouble but that’s only because less Americans are employed and paying into social security today.

          • Norm

            zarquiekia
            This year, with all the unemployment, SS may need to call in some of its IOU’s. But that money belongs to SS, and was paid in as part of the SS tax.
            It’s like putting your money into a bank, and being accused of theft when you try to withdraw it.
            Privatizing SS would be a disaster and will never happen.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            zarquiekia…Please tell us where you got the idea that social security is thriving? From what I understand, back in the 60′s President Johnson saw this fund and decided it should be used instead of just sitting there waiting for people to get old and collect it. If I am wrong, I would like someone to tell me where the information can be found to set me straight….

          • LifeRyder

            The biggest problem with SocSec is that it was taken from it’s ‘no touch zone’ by the Congress and placed into the ‘general fund’, which the Federal Government has the ability to spend those funds.

          • 45caliber

            Congress started this way back when they were still pretending to try to balance the budget. They would call the extra money in SS as part of the general fund to “balance” what they had spent. Then they started “borrowing” it by replacing it with Treasury notes. Finally, they just started taking the money since the Treasury notes had piled up and were requiring a lot of interest be paid on them. And guess what? The money disappeared into pork projects.

          • 45caliber

            zarquiekia:

            It is only good as long as Congress can no longer steal the extra in it. (And if they can prevent the SS department from giving themselves millions in bonuses every year) If Congress does as it has in the past by taking all extra to spend, it isn’t. And the reason Congress is so worried is that the extra to spend isn’t as much as Congress wants to spend. And their spending MUST come before giving any of it to the retired people.

        • third party

          YOU MUST BE LOOKING AT THE POLLY POCKETS WEB SITE,SS IS BANKRUPT,AND HAD BEEN FOR FOUR DECADES,THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN STEALING FROM THAT ACCOUNT FOR OVER FORTY TWO YEARS,THEY NEEDED TO REFUND IT 25 YEARS AGO.SS IS WEALTH DISTRIBUTION,STOP SS NOW,PAY EVERYONE WHO IS 50 AND OVER,MAKE THEM STILL PAY IN,AND EVERYONE UNDER 50 WILL NOT GET IT,OR PAY ANYTHING INTO IT.SS WAS GEARED FOR FAMILY’S OF WAR VETS,THAT’S ALL,UNLESS THE BREAD WINNER,TYPICALLY THE MAN DIES,THEN THE FAMILY WOULD RECEIVE A PORTION.SS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH A MIND SET OF RETIREMENT SAVINGS,THAT WAS A SCAM TO SUBDUE THE MASSES.

          • LAWMAN

            That is 100% correct,just look up the law when it was passed.15.6 % of everyone’s income has been stolen from the citizens.

          • lucklue

            AND SUBDUED THE MASSES IS WHAT HAPPENED,IN TODAY’S INFORMATION OF FREEDOM ACT,SS WOULD HAVE FAILED.

      • third party

        YOUR NUMBERS ARE WACKO,SS COST 15.6% TO EVERY ONE’S WHO IS ON PAYROLL,GIVE THE AVERAGE PERSON THERE MONEY BACK,LET THEM DEAL WITH THEIR OWN RETIREMENT,IT’S UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO STEAL MONEY TO REDISTRIBUTE FUNDS.PEOPLE WOULD BE FINE.

        • Bob Wire

          The “First Liar” hasn’t got a chance !

          Possession is 9/10th law. ~ That I might have stole it ~ matters little.

          Dollars all look alike , are you sure it was yours? Prove it.

          • LAWMAN

            NO SUCH THING AS 9/10 OF LAW,IS OWNERSHIP.

          • Bob Wire

            Oh yes there is ~ we live with it ever day of our lives

            If I got control of it ~ what you going to do about it? You going to whip it out? draw down on me? run and tell your mommy? Go to your attorney? Call the Police? Try to kick my ass?

            I got it ~ and you don’t ~ that makes it mine. ` you got a one in ten change of recovering it.

            If you are a grown man , you should know this by now.

          • 45caliber

            “Dollars all look the same …”

            LOL: We had an illegal woman try that argument a couple of years ago after her man was killed robbing a house. He had a pillow case from the house with jewelry and cash when he got shot. She tried to insist that he frequently carried that much money around all the time and therefore it was to go to her. The fact that the property owners were able to identify the jewels and pillow case didn’t matter. However, she got sent back to her home country without the money.

          • Bob Wire

            LOL! well that’s why it’s 9/10th the rule of law/or life. ~ 50/50 or 5 to 10 is bad odds while 1 to 10 much better ~ that’s just a 4 point spread. But still, no guarantee of getting away clean.

            Politician use this ~ it’s a bluff tactic , they fluff their Rez, they fluff the figures ~ embellish. ~ Requiring someone to be anal enough to call their bluff.

            Much like the oil companies, oil spill hotline numbers ~ 1-800- to nobody alive today. It looks good on the Federal documents of preplanned response that they have taken into consideration all those Gulf of Mexico seals and offer 1-800 response numbers to expedite emergence personal and sound the alarm. ~ It’s a documented ruses to misinform even the cynic. just another twisted version of 9/10th rule played backwards. ~ They have possession and someone is required to prove them wrong and claim the truth to take it from them.

      • Norm

        Social Security Surplus…A big Welfare Check for federal government
        October 19, 2008 by martijo

        From the years 1984 to 2002 the US government had collected 1.7 trillion more in social security taxes than it paid out in claims. By 2006 this surplus had ballooned to 2.4 trillion in excess SS taxes. This is 2.4 trillion in excess of all claims paid to widows, retirees, orphans and disability benefits. And, it is this 2.4 trillion surplus that has Wall Street slobbering all over itself trying to come up with plans on how to siphon that money off of SS and into Wall Street markets.

        Where did the surplus go?

        Every administration since Lyndon Johnson, who made the SS trust surplus available to the general fund to finance the Viet Nam war, has used the SS fund to finance anything and everything. President Bush has used the SS surplus to finance the day to day operations of the federal government in lieu of the massive loss of tax revenues generated by the tax cuts to the obscenely wealthy.

        The reason that administration economists insisted that the economy was growing was because Social Security surpluses were used to finance tax cuts for people who were so rich they didn’t need them. On paper, and without admitting the theft of and misuse of funds, the economists reported a “growth” in revenues generated by cutting taxes to the rich. That growth was a direct result of re-designating the stolen funds as “tax revenues”.

        What the Bush Republicans have done is to use Social Security taxes so the wealthy can enjoy big huge tax cuts.

        The extra funds were also used to finance government, purchase war weaponry, fund the Iraqi war to some extent, and to pay the salaries of FBI agents who are busy putting all of us under surveillance as possible terrorists.

        In his first year as president, Bush also took 20 million out of SS to fund privately owned schools that taught neo-conservative based curriculums. SS also has been paying for SSI, the federal version of welfare for the indigent. Originally, the Social Security Administration administered SSI but the funds for this program were separate from those generated by the SS tax. Now, SS pays for all of it.

        Social Security has also been hard hit by the funding of illegal aliens. In 2005, the cost to the federal government for expenses directly related to illegal immigrants was 200 billion; that’s food stamps, healthcare, housing and education. This does not include state by state costs incurred by these same illegal residents. Most of this paid for by again raiding Social Security.

        Although these few items are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to who stole the money and why, it should give you some idea as to why various politicians are still beating the privatization drum; although how any one could even utter the word after the current financial crisis is beyond me.

        Social Security is NOT an unfunded liability. Social Security is very well funded by American workers. The federal government is the unfunded liability but covers this liability by stealing the retirement of workers.

        The next time your politician of choice suggests to you that Social Security is an entitlement program implying that it is some kind of unearned welfare, remind them that taxes on your wages is what funds this program. The federal government does not fund Social Security…… Social Security funds the federal government. Maybe it is some perverse form of reverse welfare. Then, ask them what happened to this 2.4 trillion dollar surplus that was stolen from our retirement accounts and how they intend to pay it back.

        The same politicians who proclaim Social Security to be a socialist entitlement program seem not to be aware that if it didn’t exist, they most likely wouldn’t have gotten a pay check. Maybe if it hits them in their pockets they’ll get a clue.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        WSA will love SS premiums.
        Same folks who took my retirement fund from 40 to 8 per share.
        75 to 15 and still around 25 10 years later

        Forget it. WSA will milk all milk out and leave dried up tits

        Simmons Mattress best xample. google it sad sad rape of a firm

        AMF big big firm Raped by WSA Irwin Jacobs and Milken

    • BigBadJohn

      Everyone screams about Obama deficit but one of the reasons it looks so bad is because he abolished a lot of the accounting gimmicks that Bush/Cheney used to make it look smaller.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html?_r=1

      Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill was told “deficits don’t matter” when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.

      O’Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush’s economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from “the corporate crowd,” a key constituency.

      O’Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. “You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: “We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due.” A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.

      The vice president’s office had no immediate comment, but John Snow, who replaced O’Neill, insisted that deficits “do matter” to the administration.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        Big Bad now Bad Big

        A president would not hide information!
        Only R ones.
        Clinton campaigned on Middlle Class tax Cut.
        Did not do it.Bob Wooward “The Agenda” covered it
        Clinton gave his CEA a hugh butt chewing.
        “You experts let me promise to reduce the deficit by half and cut taxes which cannot be done”.
        He made rt decision. Reduce Deficit.
        CEA excuse–GHW BUSH did not reveal to us true deficits over next five years.
        I disagree with CEA. I knew why did not they know.

        DEFICITS NOW–3 Things
        Bush Great Recession–Bush huge Tax Cuts for Rich–Bush Two Wars

        Those three will give us $1T plus deficits for years.

        Bush increased Debt by 100%. In other words, after 225 years he added on as much as we had after 225 years. 1.4T deficit for 2009 was Bush.
        R try to cut off Bush budget at 1-21-09. No. Ended 9-30-09

        Spending–+100%–doubled what we had after 225 years.

        Housing Tsunami and Financial Volano all all all all Bush Bush Bush

        Irrefutable. Undeniable. No spinable.
        olduglymeanhonest

  • third party

    BOTH PARTY’S HAVE BEEN THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS COUNTRY OVER DECADES,BUT TO SAY EXTENDING THE TAX RATE AS IT IS,AND NOT RAISING IT,WILL INCREADE THE DEFICIT BY $700 BILLION IS PROOF THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY BEFORE THEY RECEIVE IT THROUGH TAXES,THAT’S CALL MIS APPROPRIATIONS OF FUNDS.

    • zarquiekia

      third party, I can agree with both party’s have been destructive to this country but a report came out that Obama has lowered the deficit by 8% which means we are going in the right direction.

      • third party

        That’s false,with the heath CARE NIGHTMARE he tripped SPENDING,OUR NATIONAL DEBT IS LAUGHABLE.20.8 % REAL UNEMPLOYMENT,43 MILLION ON FOOD STAMPS,HIGHEST FORE CLOSER RATE IN AMERICAN HISTORY,OBAMA HAS TRIED TO USE THE SOCIALIST METHOD,NEVER WORKS,NEVER DID,NOT HIS FREE COUNTRY,BUSH OPENED THE DOOR FOR THIS TYPE OF REGIME,AND OBAMA PLOWED HIS WAY THROUGH IT.

      • Craig

        “Obama has lowered the deficit by 8% ”

        LOL…Obama is a freaking moron. He has not done anything good for this nation. He never will.

        • Bob Wire

          2nd grade name calling ! now that’s the way to get your point across!.

          You really make me think hard ~ ouch !

          • Craig

            Obama is a moron. You call telling the truth name calling? I highly doubt you have the ability to think hard.

          • BigBadJohn

            Craig how many times have you used derogatory names on this page alone? Your name calling shows who the real moron is….

        • 45caliber

          Craig:

          He didn’t lower what it was … he lowered what it would have been without his moves. Just ask him! He will tell you so himself!

          However, I personally believe the only thing he has done successfully since he became President is play some golf and set up vacations.

      • victoria b

        Where did this so called report come from? I can’t believe you actually live in this country.It must have come out of Oidiots bathroom.I’ll put it in mine that way I’ll have something to use when we gotta “go green” in there.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      1980=600B Budget
      then 20 years three conservative presidents–18 years Conservative Senate-12 years Conservative House-6 years Total Conservative control

      2001= 1800B

      2009=3600B

      WJC 4 balanced budgets submitted

      Newt and June O’Neill Republician Head of CBO
      both said

      “President Clinton submitted the most honest budgets of any president”

      No BS in them. WJC knew budgeting from 12 years experience and lifetime in study of governance. He knew. Newts could not fool him

      .

  • LAWMAN

    A felony.In the real world of business,2-5 years.

  • patrick

    See, once again the brown colored people jump in with the ” R ” claim. The brownies always use the racist claim when the truths are revealed and they are shown to be stupid and dumb and lazy. I just wish these idiots would listen to Bill Cosby… he always tells his fellow brown people to use their brains , but they never do, they can only claim racism as thats how they were brought up. To bad you fools you will never get it , you loose once again! ha ha ha

    • third party

      PATRIC,that’s a bit rough,groups like the racist NAACP had held there own people down for decades,through deceits and lies.When sheeple think something is free,this is what they get.AL SHARPTON,JESSIE JACKSON HAVE BEEN RIDDING ON THE BACKS OF HARD WORKING BLACKS,AND HISPANICS FOR DECADES.

  • Robert Morrow

    Tax cuts, by who? Does anyone think that your corrupt government will cut any taxes once imposed? I know how the National debt can reduced. Clean house again and again of corrupt officials. Then tell your Totally Corrupt elected official to stop funding these uncontrolled Agency like FDA, FTC, FCC, EPA who you have not voted for or in control of. This will stop billion of dollars from being robbed from the Taxpayer. Then cut the billions of dollars going in subsidizes to companies. Why did the new Messiah stop oil workers from working and yet send billions of Taxpayer dollars to other Countries to drill for OIL in the Gulf? This too needs to be stopped.

    • Bob Wire

      because BP management really screwed up big time and brought attention to much being lacking in the regulation of mineral extraction in waters over 300 ft deep.

      Now , everybody much pay the price for it ~ and we/government doesn’t want or expect to be fooled twice on such matters anytime soon.

      It sucks ~ but you are laying the blame at the wrong door step.

  • GRusling

    For anyone who REALLY cares, the problem is POLITICIANS and it doesn’t matter whether they tack a “D” or an “R” onto their name! Obama is nothing but a clueless fool, so don’t blame him. He was raised and educated (indoctrinated, cradle to current) to believe what he now espouses. Blaming him is like blaming an evolutionist for failing to recognize there has to be a Creator, just because “science” can’t identify and quantify where and what he is. Logic, under such circumstances, cannot be expected.

    The mindset that our federal government owes INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS anything at all is what has to be changed, and until “We The People” come to grips with that we can’t expect “government” to get the message. Original intent was that the “FED” would represent the best interest of the “STATES” and the individual States would take care of the interests of individuals within their State. That’s the concept that’s lost in all this discussion, and we can never go back to what we once were until “The People” understand that Central Planning by Washington is inimical to our personal freedom and liberty.

    For starters, repeal the 17th Amendment, and put the “STATES” back in control of the Senate, returning each of them to Independence as was the original design. After that we can work on the rest of the problems…

  • Patriot

    How is it that there is close to 20% unemployment, do not believe the 10% they are telling you, most of us have not had a raise in almost 3 years or have seen a decrease in salaries and our government employees have seen a 5% increase every year since then?

    • lucklue

      20.8 % IS THE REAL UNEMPLOYMENT RATE,JUST CHECK THE DEBT CLOCK.43 MILLION ON FOOD STAMPS,HIGHEST FORE-CLOSER RATE IN HISTORY,110,000 DEBT PER TAX PAYER,43,000 PER CITIZEN.WE ARE A JOKE AS A NATION.

    • 45caliber

      Patriot:

      Somewhere recently I saw a statement that the average government worker gets almost double what the average private worker gets. And they can’t understand why we are upset!

      Further, don’t believe that CEOs are the most expensive salaries – unless you consder Barney Frank as a private individual. He was drawing from Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae in the millions. And he wasn’t the only one.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        Fannie Freddie private firms owned by stockholders

        • 45caliber

          Riiiight!! A private firm with government money.

          • http://naver samurai

            Paid for by the dems!

      • BigBadJohn

        Funny thing is, government jobs used to be laughable. They made 30-50% LESS THAN the average worker, which is why they were promised COLA and better benifits.

        Then something happened, Reagan came along and attacked the unions. With the unions crippled the average workers wage has not kept up with inflation. While government worker get COLA.

      • BigBadJohn

        Funny thing is, government jobs used to be laughable. They made 30-50% LESS THAN the average worker, which is why they were promised COLA and better benefits.

        Then something happened, Reagan came along and attacked the unions. With the unions crippled the average workers wage has not kept up with inflation. While government workers still get COLA.

  • Lee Myers

    I do not truly know as nobody knows if the GOP will live up to the pledge, but I do know that the current Democrat party has been taken over by the Socialist. I will vote on the GOP party not because of their record but I do not see another choice. No third party candidate can win, remember that is how we got Clinton in the first place.

    I pray to God that this next election that the Tea Party candidates win, I think that will scare the GOP to toe the line, if not, then we find between now and 2012 more Tea Party Candidates. Say what trhey may, the Tea Party Candidates are not wacko’s, they are candidates that have listened to the people.

    • http://mlsevert@juno.com Uncle Mike

      The fix for the betterment of the American people is not as
      difficult as some try to make it sound! The flat tax will supply
      plenty to operate our country! The S.S. System will be healed immediately when all the illegals are removed from drawing.
      Who made it legal for none citizens to draw from the Social Security??
      The congress that is against us is the problem we must overcome! So, let us replace them all, until we have true representation again!!!
      Our health care will work fine if it is for American citizens only!!
      True American

      • 45caliber

        Supposedly, Social Securty was to provide retirement money for people who had paid into it all their lives.

        But when most of the people are still paying into a fund rather than drawing from it, that is a LOT of money. And Congress couldn’t leave their hands off it.

        First they added people who didn’t pay into it for more than a couple of years. Then they added disabled working people who could draw from it. Then they added the children of disabled people. Then they added people who were disabled from birth or very young. Then they added “crazy money” – money for anyone a psychologist ruled had a mental problem. And now they include both legal and illegal people coming here who have never paid into it.

        And that doesn’t count how Congress “borrows” from it all the time. In fact some years ago they even quit trying to do that. They simply take all the money each year and spend it as they like. The real reason, I believe that they say SS is going broke is because there isn’t as much extra money each year to finance all the pork they want.

        • Bob Wire

          ha hah ! you are probably right 45!

          This SS system ~ does need to be reviewed very hard, there’s no doubt. I wouldn’t say abolish it ~ but we needs the comfort that only transparency and a good audit might offer. ~

          As 45 suggest, some pay in all their lives and some vested a much shorter, time 2 to 4 years and qualify to receive SS benefits

          Then too, what happens to the people that have invested 45 years into the SS system and choke and die on a De rito without drawing out a dime of their money and leave no surviving dependents? Where does that money go?

          • 45caliber

            To the administrators, of course. That’s why they want the death panels in the Oblamacare. After all, if you are no longer paying in income taxes and instead are drawing out money they already consider their own, what good are you?

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you.

  • THIRD PARTY

    WE NEED TO RID OURSELVES OF THE TWO PARTY PARADIGM,THAT’S THE ONLY REASON WE ARE SCREWED,BOTH PARTY’S ARE SHILLS FOR SPECIAL INTEREST.

    • Angel wanna-be

      But your gonna need more time, that one or two voting cycles to implement a Third party. And then convincing Americans to vote third party. What people say they want, and what they actually do is two entirely different things!

  • DavidL

    The Republican website to get the views of the American people “so they could listen”, has a snag. Most who responded said they wanted the Bush tax cuts to end for the rich (Republican base) and continue for the middle class. The Republicans didn’t listen and put that in their pledge, did they? They talk, talk, talk about the deficit at the same time they advocate for a tax cut for themselves which will add 7 billion to the deficit.

    “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” There is no way I would vote for the Republicans, especially after they said the other day that they would do exactly the same things they did the last time they held power.

    • GRusling

      You’re a Progressive, right? You have to be because the Republicans who presented their “Pledge” also clearly said that the LAST TIME they were in power they SCREWED THINGS UP and they have no intention of REPEATING those same mistakes!

      Now, that doesn’t mean I BELIEVE what they’re saying now, just because they say so, but you just provided us with an UNTRUE STATEMENT (and everyone who’s paying attention knows it) so I certainly won’t believe what YOU post in the future…

      • DavidL

        Which do you not believe, that the Republicans received input to end the tax cuts for the rich, or that that they said they would repeat the policies of the past once in power again? Both statements are true. Reseach them.

        • GRusling

          “especially after they said the other day that they would do exactly the same things they did the last time they held power.”

          That statement is untrue on its face, since the remarks “SPECIFICALLY” stated otherwise in no uncertain terms.

          As I said before, that doesn’t mean I “BELIEVE” what they said (since they are, after all, career politicians) but what you said is obviously NOT TRUE, making you a purveyor of false information, therefore not to be trusted either…

  • 45caliber

    I’d like to see the Homeland Security Department go to the waste side. We got by with police and military for over two hundred years. I don’t think we need another group now. Basically, to me, the Homeland Security is meant to control the population rather than protect it. Or perhaps I should say they intend to protect the population by locking up anyone who disagrees with them.

    • http://mlsevert@juno.com Uncle Mike

      We have never had the dangers of America today for the past
      two hundred years. Nor the past 40 years!!!!!

      Each week we are avoiding attacks by Terrist that the news tells
      nothing about!!

      • 45caliber

        That’s because they don’t want the population to demand that something … like extermination … is done to stop the attacks.

  • jopa

    They also failed to mention what they were actually going to do to save money like cutting out medicare,medicaid and social security.If not cut out social security altogether they want to invest it in Wall street giving Wall Street a three trillion dollar windfall to wisely invest in their bonuses.If the Democrats fail America fails.Especially the senior citizens.

  • THINK ABOUT

    It is amazing the pledge is the same operation which got USA in the hole we are in now and they want to take it deeper. It failed and to repeat it again is the craziest thing anyone could come up with. I know it is important to go out and play golf in order to get a tan but don’t try your failed pledge again.

  • Angel

    I understand that this “Pledge” was written by current and former lobbyists for corporations (such as AIG, ExxonMobile and Pfizer)funding the “mainstream” GOP candidates. Follow the money – we are getting screwed AGAIN.

    • BigBadJohn

      LOL so true, the only way to minimize lobbyists influence is to TURN OFF YOUR TV! Get your news from reading articles not from FOX or MSN 30 second sound bites.

      • 45caliber

        I haven’t had my TV hooked to more than a DVD/video player for about five years. My wife complains sometimes but I haven’t missed a thing!

        • Bob Wire

          Hmm? interesting 45. ~ I got rid of all TV programing early July of this year. And I too feel I haven’t missed much. I’ve much more time for personal matters and I feel a lot better about things in general.

          There are much better and faster ways to stay abreast of the issues and cut through the hype and political haze.

          sometimes I miss it, like smoking, it’s a habit, a bad habit ~ to waste so much of your life watching commercials or talking heads ` just quit making good sense.

          I’ve developed an interest in the violin and viola ~ they play the same way

  • patrick

    I like what Obammy and his group of crooked czars are saying, the one where they talk about… put it in ” D ” for move forward or ” R ” go in reverse to move backwords like the Repubs. I agree only turn it around…. Here is for Obammy boy – put it in “D” for drive the country into a the worst economic in history and into “R” for reverse for everything, law, ecec. order, bill, legislature etc. that Obammy boy has done since he was put in the blackhouse. Then, and only then, will this country start to get back where we should be.

    • Bob Wire

      No~he had it right and your memory is very short and a danger to all near you.

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    Hello America, Most of us realize the mistake in 08. Lets get our nation back starting this nov and in 2012. Oh,I almost forgot,Where is that little birth certificate????

    • Bob Wire

      it’s been give you, what you do with it?

  • http://a.t&t. james wright

    8 yrs. of the gop is what got in this mess you idiots go ahead and vote the gop back in power and this country will see another economic depression like back in the 30′s when will the poor and the middle class ever learn that the gop is not for them seems they would get their head out of their ass and wake up

    • THINK ABOUT

      Well said, we can not afford more of cut the taxes and spend like there is no tomorrow, it failed, unemployment went up, jobs went to other countries, war of choice, this could go on and on. Does anyone think for one second the debt was wiped away when Obama became president, no he still has to take care of problems which went too far.

    • chuck b

      james w

      please tell me who sat in the white house and congress during the depression, of yes! fdr and the demiocrats. what was the unemployment status seven years after he was elected, something like 19% why was he reelected time after time, the majority of people were living off the gov’t teat. do you remember the nra & the wpa. fdr was the founding father of the socialist movement in the u.s. most people were satisfied to live on the crumbs the gov’t threw at them, much like the democrats of today. the democrats took charge of this economy in 2007 and the politicians like barney frank and chis dodd reporting from their oversight committee that everything was in great shape and nothing to worry about. this is the democratic party they have to idea how to govern only how to take from those that have and feed the welfare vote to keep them in power. they live on the theory of taxation.

      • Low IQ Too

        You are correct. My grand dad called them we piddle around and communist cadres practicing in america. He was a republican here when people had no idea what a republican was about other than the party of Lincoln that had tried to put the slaves to running the show after the big war.

      • THINK ABOUT

        You are a sick puppy, think it was just a give away, bet you have never worked a day like those folks in those programs. Bet you never did as much in a week as they did and you know what else, the jobs they did still has some showing. You need a reality check, it is a shame we could not sentence you to doing the work they did and for the same pay.

        • Low IQ Too

          I can see you now, just like you see me. All hunched over with your head in your hand just a thinking like that famous bronze statue. And, like it, you represent all mankind that knows much about someone you have no working knowledge about. Let me tell you and you tell me the college football score for the upcoming weekend oh great sear. Then, I can make some money off your vast knowledge.

          I have work many a hard day, of a hard week, of a hard month, of a hard year. Worked all the holidays too. The job was physically brutal, outside, hot when it was hot, cold when it was cold, and wet when it wanted to be. No thermostat on the great outdoors we can control. Few people my age have worked in their lives as much as I worked in one month. Worked fast too because I only made 10 to 25 cents per count. Moved between 25,000 and 75,000 pounds a day.

          But, to give you some credit, I think some farmers and other workers in the depression era worked at worse jobs. I know of one such job. Hand loading short wood, pulp wood into box cars. I can only think that labor was cheap and they used a lot. I know they built dams, roads, air ports, government buildings, and park facilities to name a few effort back then. That does not earn them any special right or status just as my work had not earned me a whole lot.

          I have a special thought for you about the “Greatest Generation”. They were as long as they were fighting a world war. Afterwards, they added to the government can solve everything movement and its liberal thought. Seems they would have learned something being sent off by a government to fight a government. But, no. They all are best described by the phrase they all have used, “They should do something about ……..” Yes, the mysterious “They”. Government. These people who are now almost all deceased were amazed by what government could do all the while forgetting that the US citizens were really doing all the doing. How about substituting “I” for “They” in ” They should do something about ……..”

          Think about it.

      • Bob Wire

        Hmm? well Chucky, it’s not so much a matter who was driving the bus during the depression but who was driving the bus that got us there.

        “The Campaign and Election of 1896

        The Panic of 1893, one of America’s most devastating economic collapses, placed the Democrats on the defensive and restored Governor McKinley’s stature in national politics. McKinley dominated the political arena at the opening of the 1896 Republican presidential nominating convention held in St. Louis. His commitment to protectionism as a solution to unemployment and his popularity in the Republican Party –

        The Republican platform endorsed protective tariffs and the gold standard while leaving open the door to an international agreement on bimetallism. It also supported the acquisition of Hawaii, construction of a canal across Central America, expansion of the Navy, restrictions on the acceptance of illiterate immigrants into the country, equal pay for equal work for women, and a national board of arbitration to settle labor disputes.

        The Democrats, meeting in Chicago, rallied behind William Jennings Bryan, a former congressman from Nebraska. The Democrats pegged their hopes for victory on their opposition to (1) the protective tariff, (2) the immigration of foreign “pauper labor,” and (3) the use of injunctions to end strikes. They also supported a federal income tax, a stronger Interstate Commerce Commission, statehood for the western states (Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona), and the anti-Spanish revolutionaries in Cuba, who were also supported by the Republicans.

        “The Campaign and Election of 1904

        After Roosevelt acceded to the presidency in 1901, he soon began to think about how to win election as President in his own right. He realized that although he did not always agree with conservative Republicans in Congress, he needed their support in order to win the nomination in 1904. To that end, he worked out an understanding with legislators, especially Senator Nelson W. Aldrich of Rhode Island, which gave him a free hand in foreign affairs in return for holding back the more progressive items of his domestic agenda. But TR did not refrain from using the executive office to break up monopolies, such as the Northern Securities Company, to mediate in labor disputes between unions and management, as he did in the coal miners’ strike in 1902, and to use the White House as a “bully pulpit,” from which he lectured the nation on how government should regulate big business.

        Fearful that his anti-corporate sentiments had soured party bosses, Roosevelt toned down his rhetoric in 1903. Most importantly, he was able to place his people in key party positions and maneuvered Mark Hanna, now the Chairman of the Republican National Committee, to endorse his candidacy several months prior to the 1904 convention. Then TR turned to the public, holding press conferences, launching a national tour of western states that lasted for thirty days, and boldly issuing an executive order that provided pensions for all veterans between the ages of sixty-two and sixty-seven.”

        “The Campaign and Election of 1908

        After his 1904 electoral victory, Theodore Roosevelt promised publicly not to seek the presidency again in 1908. While he later regretted that decision, he felt bound by it and vigorously promoted William Howard Taft as his successor. Both Nellie Taft and Roosevelt had to persuade Taft to make the race. Even with the presidency in his reach, Taft much preferred the U.S. Supreme Court chief justice appointment.

        It was generally expected that Taft would be Roosevelt’s man in the White House, and Taft himself vowed to continue Roosevelt’s progressive policies. Still, up to the last minute before Taft’s nomination at the Republican Party convention in Chicago, Nellie Taft feared that Roosevelt might announce his bid for a second elected term. It almost happened on the second day of the convention, when a spontaneous and wild demonstration produced a forty-nine minute stampede for Roosevelt — the longest-lasting demonstration that had ever occurred at a national political convention. Only when Roosevelt sent word via Senator Henry Cabot Lodge that he was not available did the convention nominate Taft on the first ballot.”

        “The Campaign and Election of 1912

        Although Woodrow Wilson was convinced that God had destined him to be President, it took all his political skill and a good deal of luck to garner the Democratic presidential nomination at the party convention in Baltimore in June 1912. At the convention, progressives divided their support between Speaker of the House Champ Clark of Missouri and Wilson. Many southern delegates supported Representative Oscar W. Underwood of Alabama.

        While listening to a senator drone on about the needs of the nation, Marshall commented audibly from his seat as presiding officer: “What this country needs is a really good five-cent cigar.”)

        Candidate Wilson’s platform called for limits on campaign contributions by corporations, tariff reductions, new and stronger antitrust laws, banking and currency reform, a federal income tax, direct election of senators, a single term presidency, and the independence of the Philippines. Unlike Theodore Roosevelt’s call for the strict government regulation of monopolies, Wilson followed the advice of his key adviser, Louis Brandeis, in calling for the breakup of all monopolies — Brandeis was a Boston attorney and leading corporate critic whom Wilson would later name to the Supreme Court. Whereas Roosevelt differentiated between “good” and “bad” trusts, Wilson suggested that all monopolies were harmful to the nation. He advocated a restored competition that would benefit consumers and reduce the power of corporate wealth in the nation. Calling his program “New Freedom,” in contrast to Roosevelt’s “New Nationalism,”

        “The Campaign and Election of 1920

        No one expected Warren G. Harding to gain the Republican nomination for President when he arrived at the Chicago convention in 1920. No one, that is, except his close friend and political manager, Harry Daugherty, the wealthy corporate lawyer and lobbyist from Ohio. Daugherty believed that none of the front-runners would carry the nomination on the first ballots. Harding was known to all of them, had played poker with most of them, and was “right” on every important issue. He represented a critically important state in the election, had not opposed prohibition or suffrage, and had no political enemies. Finally, with his distinguished “presidential” profile, he was among the best-looking politicians in the nation — a sure plus, believed his friends, in an election when millions of women would vote for the first time in the nation’s history.

        Their Republican platform condemned the Wilson administration for its handling of World War I and opposed the League of Nations. On trade and immigration, Harding and Coolidge (who would succeed Harding in office) advocated a higher protective tariff and supported new immigration requirements. Overall, they promised to return the nation to more normal times — like those prior to all the out of control drives for reform that had begun in the 1890s.”

        “The Campaign and Election of 1924

        After a year in the office he inherited from Harding, the tall and lean man from Vermont was ready to assume the presidency in his own right. The Republican delegates at the convention in Cleveland saw little reason to change horses. Calvin Coolidge had emerged unharmed from the charges of corruption in the Teapot Dome Scandal that had tarnished Harding’s name and sent several of his lieutenants to jail.

        “Silent Cal,” as Coolidge was becoming known because of his disdain for making small talk at social affairs, was honest, non-manipulative, direct, and hardworking. The Republicans gave him the nomination on the first ballot, with only a handful voting for his chief rivals, Robert M. LaFollette and Hiram Johnson, progressive senators from Wisconsin and California, respectively. Coolidge hoped to balance the ticket with Senator William E. Borah as his running mate from Ohio. Borah was midwestern, a firm isolationist, and a strong progressive on the domestic front. When Borah declined the offer, the party turned to Charles G. Dawes of Illinois — director of the Bureau of the Budget under Harding, the U.S. purchasing agent for American forces during World War I, and the author of the Dawes Plan. Their Republican platform emphasized tax reduction, collection of foreign debts, the protective tariff, non-participation in the League of Nations, opposition to farm subsidies for crop prices, the eight-hour workday, a ban on child labor, and a federal anti-lynching law.”

        So history tell us that in 31 year period prior to the ‘depression” we had 5 republican and 1 democrat bus drivers that drove us to the depression of 27″. ~ I suppose we are left to believe it only takes one! Now that’s convenient thinking Chucky!

        • Low IQ Too

          Depressions and manic exspansions are caused by the actions of banks, the actions of investors, and the actions of the public within the limits of a money supply control in place by government. At a basic level, I challenge you to refute that statement. Not a bunch of complicated analysis of fed policy interacting with treasury bond sales and foreign currency values versus the dollar. Just keep it simple.

  • 45caliber

    I don’t really trust the GOP on their promises but then, we KNOW what the Democrats are now doing. At least we’ve gotten rid of some of the GOP Leatherbacks. Maybe we can do better yet by getting rid of a lot of the Democrat leatherbacks too. (Incidently for those of you who don’t know, a leatherback is an old turtle too set in its ways to move.)

    • Bob Wire

      I call them “moss backs” they don’t move around enough to kept moss from growing on their shell.

  • Howard Roark

    For the record: the Soc. Security tax was collected for the first time in 1937. In 1937 the US Supreme Court in “Helvering v. Davis” ruled that the tax of both the employer and employee are to both be paid into the general fund and cannot be earmarked (set aside) in any way. (This is what makes the program constitutional) THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TRUST FUND.

    The progressives in order to cover up their lie that there would be a trust fund invented a special IOU to put into the phony trust fund.

    It works like this. Lets say that this month the Soc Sec tax takes in 1000 dollars. 500 dollars is spent on current recipients and the other 500 dollars, by law, is put into the general treasury where it is spent on any legal thing that Congress wants to spend it on.

    Then the Criminals in Congress create a special IOU for 500 dollars and places it in the phoney trust fund and every one is happy. …NOT SO FAST! when expenditures finally exceed tax income one or more of those IOU’s will have to be redeemed. since Govt does not creare wealth,(only the private sector can do that) the Govt will to retax the people, this time with interest or print the money. (stealing from the citizen with inflation)

    In 1960 in “Fleming v. Nestor SCOTUS ruled that no citizen has a vested right in Soc. Dec. and that Congress can adjudt it or eliminate it at any time. (and the american people do not have a legal leg to stand on.)

    The deal with Pres. Johnson was a book keeping trick. they moved numbers from one place to another making it appear that there was more money.

    • Low IQ Too

      You are scary scary man almost as frightening as you are correct. The era of first pay after death, means based testing, and more payment of disability than retirement is upon us.

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    Hello America, We all know the only thing the government wants to cut is our throats. Lets vote the rats out office. The demonrats. Nov is coming….

  • howard

    Pledge,pledge,pledge , promise,promise,blah,blah.Both parties are liars.A politician is an inbred retard that someone should have put in a group home a long time ago.

    • Bob Wire

      Political Office, the final refuge of the incompetent.

  • Low IQ Too

    Peaked too soon. Peaked two or three weeks ago. Anger is highest in summer when it is hot and we are all stressed. Sorry. Wait and see. Nov will not be a sweep as desired. The free ride crowd is a voting crowd and very numerous.

  • Bob Wire

    “The free ride crowd is a voting crowd and very numerous”

    sorry, I just can’t go along with that or let it pass by.

    While the statement is most general, it implies ~ and offers “inference” and subject to great debate, and I wish too do just that!

    First, allow me to suggest, as a standard rule of thumb, the GOP enjoys a very dependable hardcore 28% conservative vote ~ regardless who the candidate might be! That leave 23 % of the popular vote up for grabs for a possible victory ` just 23 % ~

    Now I’m willing to admit the polls indicate this number is down some today and I attribute that to the hard push the Tea Party has made in making their agenda known of recent. ~ But still , that just a poll and early polls are mostly whoy ! What’s these conservative going to do ? vote DNC ?

    That’s absurd to even consider as a possibility.

    Government employees and military employees favor the GOP as well. While I accept this, I have a difficult time understanding it. ~

    As the GOP offer us claims of wanting smaller and less government ~ why would someone want to vote themselves out of a job? That doesn’t make good sense.

    As for the military? who knows why ~ The vision of tree huggers or fairy’s must cloud their vision? The illusion of the DNC being anti-military? We hear that often ~ another absurd excursion founded in nothing of substance.

    GOP families more times then DNC families have wives that don’t work outside the home, allowing them the time to be politically active.

    Where you are aware or not, there’s a tremendous amount of work that goes into getting the vote out ~ and women/ wives are a huge part of this effort. Many, in fact most, work for nothing, work long hours and weekends behind the scenes for months just to get out the vote.

    Blue Collar people do not have the luxury of this spare time and both husband and wife must put in a full week to provide. Rallies and work shops are hard to attend. It is the older ones that are retired that form the backbone of the DNC election force.

    As I lived this life for 10 years, this is what I have witnessed as a democrat married into a stanch GOP retire Col/presidential appointee family. It is a grueling process and the outcome is always uncertain.

    You can’t depend on poor people to vote! They’ve not the time, transportation or inclination to worry with it much. ~ They too figure that they are all liars, so why bother? ~ Their very nature doesn’t fails to offer that much incentive to think that far ahead. It’s a bucket of chicken and a six pack of Colt 45 malt liquor that’s most on their mind. Or figuring out how to save their place in line to go to the bathroom and not have someone steal their stuff while they are gone.

    So I find your comment truly absurd and you really should know more about the world in which you live. ~ as there little free in this world, one way or the other you pay.

    and illegals don’t vote so I know you wasn’t referring to them.

    Maybe you should volunteer your time to help run a polling place and get in the vote ~ it is then, you might see who votes.

    It only requires two or three classes over the weekend, some studying and a one long 14 hour day on the day of the vote ~ no lunch, no breaks as you just have to find the time for such things in small increments.

    • Low IQ Too

      I do not often get into serious back and forth on a site, but since this is a conservative site, I will stop Jelloing around the issues and try to be factual. Members of my family have worked as poll officals in the Deep South. I had a worker who was in his early fifties and, he took off to round up the vote, old people, crack heads, drunks about town, the dead, insane, the non compus menus, and anyone else who would vote for a Democrat. The system was an organized effort to get the vote to the polls. I told him if he got a certain offical elected he would eventually loose his job because that elected offical would see to it that the company I was running would be out of business. In a very close race, that fellow won. In a few months no more business for me. The employee lost his job that he helped end by rounding up Democratic voters. They get paid to do so.
      You and I live in different states and regions. The conservative Republican core idea is sound. Here, the republican vote is easy to get out because the most determined and industrious people are Republican. They are not union, so they do not want a favor from government in that regard. Most of them provide a service. Nationwide, a Republican union vote was last seen with Nixon.
      Here, most Democrats are getting some money from the government and want government to fund employment through their businesses such as paving contractors, civil and environmental engineering firms, paper and printing, security firms to include private prisons, and numerous others who know their jobs depend on liberal government spending a primary Democratic activity that is being copy catted by the Republicans as of late.
      I will go on if you can stand more.

      • Bob Wire

        By all means, I enjoy knowing such things and how each region of our grand nation differs. ~ And they do! greatly~ and what seems to galvanize each one of us to ideas and beliefs in what we personally see occurring.

      • Bob Wire

        Also ~ the work I speak of to get the vote in ~ does not include chasing down wineo’s and crack heads to get them to vote. ~ That would not work at all around here! First each voter must be registered months prior to the vote, substantiate wit a home address . ~ and then too a poll supervisor would run you away from the poll station if you started bring in loads of non-discript people to cast a vote. You might get away with it once, but the second time would be most difficult. Plus your home address determine the prescient that you must vote in. You can’t just go gather any people up to vote anywhere.

        • Low IQ Too

          The voting day picture I painted is very common here. The dead do not vote as much and as often as they used to vote. The rest is basically true. In some areas, intimidation at the polls is also a problem. I think that an individual can register fairly late here but not as late as some same day states. The roundup really happens. I have also seen in person, and said nothing of it because I am not a real believer in squealing on my fellow travelers, the local “Queen of Absentee Ballots” with a stack of at least fifty such ballots to be voted. A total of at least a hundred were in her possession. Not making any of this up. The other party knows but cannot stop it, I quess. I just vote.

          I would offer to let you see this in person on Nov. 2, but although putting you up for a few days is no problem as I have 10+ decent houses empty now, I do not have the time, do not have anything to prove, and think that the trip would be a waste of your time also.

          I do think the effort to remove some outliers has peaked too soon. Hope I am wrong. I see many signs that the economy is spending money in a despirate effort to make money. I hope that the money being spent is not the last reserve of many companies. Just saw two trucking firm’s rigs going by that were using what are called day cabs and double trailers at night to move freight. May be common in CA but not here. A new concept to extract the last dollar.

          Like everything else, the economy differs by location so I again may be biased. Many people are on disability and should not be here. Also, the post office is swamped about three days a month with check seekers. Prices in most retail food outlets rise at the first of the month and fall at the end. Most sales are made in the first week of each month. Even illegal drug sales follow the same pattern. We were laughing at the distribution efforts, drug houses with all the dealers present and making sure they got their share of the surge yesterday afternoon. Also, a girl who is a known hauler but not seller was in and out of a major dealers house many times today making her rounds to get everything in place for the cash arrival.

          Drugs have done a great damage to the country. I have seen law enforcement involvement in the trade for a long time. They allow a huge trade to go on without the first arrest of their operators. All of this is linked, drugs, politics, and the downfall of the US.

  • http://none Alex

    Ninety-nine per cent of what I read on this sight is either laughably naive, of such horrific grammar and syntax as to give one pause as to level of education afforded Amerikan youth, or downright word for word squawking point drivel drizzle from the Faux Noose drainpipe.

    Fright Wingnuts are the biggest whiners in History.

    You need to grow up, read some books, walk around your town and silently ruminate on the absolute stupidity of your viral patriotism for this wretched country of ours.

    Patriotism—blind obedience without thought, reason, or even a few simple questions is stupid. Look at the murderous troops we unleashed on Afghanistan (not sure yet if Faux has shown the tapes)—your little mercenaries seem to have a passion for the premeditated murder of civilians, just like your “heroes” in Iraq, Grenada, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Korea, etc. Patriots, right? We are in the atrocity business and we are really, really good at it!

    Remember, the Japanese soldiers lopping off the heads of captured adversaries in the Pacific were patriots.
    So were the Einsatzgruppen SS, mowing down Eastern European women and children—-super patriots!!

    Just like our “hero” mercenaries in Vietnam—think My Lai was an isolated, freak misadventure?—guess again!!! Listen to the Winter Soldier Investigations and you will realize that the White Estates of Amerika is a malicious Evil Empire, blood dripping from his festering arms. Mean joke nation with no real sense of ‘liberty’ or ‘freedom’—a pox on the Earth.

    Still, I do not hate the country enough yet to leave–I do appreciate the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the like, although the scaredy-cat Fright Wingnuts peed their pants on 911 and have since been working hard to eliminate or infringe upon those rights. As far as Eye can see, we seem to be pretty much on par with most of Western Europe when it comes to access to information and the right to disseminate it—now, I know a lot of you backwards-thinkers will say we have it better, but I disagree. Unlike most civilized nations, we are saddled with the archaic and poor;ly written Second stupid Amendment, which has made us a laughing stock on the world stage and a blood-soaked mess at home.

    • Low IQ Too

      Do not try to put a syn tax on me. I cant’s afford it.

  • JYP

    The Republican pledge disturbs me. They pledge to CONTOL Government Spending. What about CUTTING SPENDING. Freezing hiring on all government agencies is a great idea and salary cuts would be great also. Most the employees get paid more then the private sector does already. They are offered health insurance and pensions that millions of American citizens are not offered. The government employees need to pay for their own insurance. Government employees think they are entitled to get all the perks at the tax payers expence. Infact millions of Americans seem to think that their employor should provice health insurance. Why is it the Employor’s responsibility to provide health insurance to them? Why do employees thank thay are entitled?

    There should be a National Health Insurance Agency that pools all Insurance Companies in the country for ALL Legal Americans to purchase
    should they want to. There should be premiums that are affordable for all but not FREE. Government and Employors should not have to be responsible of paying Health Insurance for employees. American taxpayers should not have to pay for goverment employees Health Insurance. All pension funds should be required by law to be funded in an interest bearing savings account that the Government can’t use for anything else and the Private sectors pension funds would also be required to be funded in a interest bearing account and not to be used for anything else except pensions.

    No government employee except the President should be allowed to have an ofice that cost $15,000.00 per month at tax payers expense. There should be a cap as to how much is allocated to spend for office space as well as staff. The Congress and Senate should not be spending our tax money for traveling to foreign countries or making trips within the USA unless it is deemed necessary to their job or department and must be approved by a committee. Even the President should curtail his travel. In this age there is video conferencing that can accomplish many meetings and decisions.

    Those in Congress and the Senate should only be campaigning during adjournment. The President should not be compaigning for his party at all and especially not spending tax money to fly for such events. He should be at the White House taking care of America not traveling all over the US to campaign for his party. Tax payers should not have to pay for that kind of travel and they need to be assured that he President is available to do his job a President.

    Social Security is in trouble because there are so many different entitlements. Senior Citizens, Medicare, the Disabeled, Welfare, Food Stamps, Free Lunches, Free Medical care, Free Day Care. It goes on and on.

    The Federal government needs to put the National Guard on the Borders to protect America and enforce the immigration laws. What good do fences do if illegals can climb over there fences. Our tax dollars should be spent on protecting our Borders and enforcing the laws. Illegal aleins should be deported. They have not followed the legal means to enter this country. Most other countries do not treat illegal aleins as visitors and do enforce their laws on illegal entry.

    There should be no more FREE rides for illegal aleins. No Food Stamps, No FREE Meals, No Free Lunches, No free abortions, No Free Health Care. Send them back where they came from. Make the Immigration Laws work. Reform Immigration Laws that will provide a shorter time frame to be elegable for citizenship but tougher guidlines on background checks.

    Repeal the law that states that a child born to an illegal alein is automatically an American Citizen. That law is absurd. If the parents are illegal than the cild is alson. Shorten the amount of time for deportaion.

    The cost to house aleins while the government takes it’s time to deport them is to costly. All the money the government could save on entitlement for aleins could be put into the Social Security Fund for Legal American Citizens.

    Most Senior Citizens have paid into Social Security and deserve to receive their payments. Seniors also pay for Medicare. It’s not FREE.
    They have to pay their deductables and a the 20% of the cost for Hospital or Test. Except for the small percentage who abuse the system such as foreign Senior immigrents who come here and are automatically elligable to receive Social Security all those who paid into the system should receive their payments.

    What really cost the governmet is shocking. Welfare to un-wed mothers of both legal and illegal citizens is handed out like candy. Food Stamps, Health Care, Day Care Free Lunches. When the un-wed mothers go to the hospital who do you think pays for the delivery and hospital stay?
    Even the illegal immigants get taken care of. The Spanish children of Illegal immigrants go to school and many can’t speak English so the school has to have teachers who speak Spanish and English.

    The Employment Security Commisssion is doing a crummy job. All they do is provide unemployment. The Employment Security Commisssion employees need to get on the phone or market for jobs. They can call business to see if they have jobs. They just wait for employors to call them if they have an opening. That’s not satisfactory. They also don’t check those on receiving unemployment check to see if they truely have looked for jobs. Those who are unemployed should not be waiting for the same kind of job doing the same thing. The unemployed should be more versitel. They may never have the same kind of job again. There should be a reasonable time limit and then they will have to take whatever is available until the economy returns if it does.

    Why not make income tax simple for all. Streight Flat Tax. Example. 20% if you make $15,000.000 per yr.= $3,000.00 per yr.or $57.59 per week
    $1,000,000.00= $200,000.00 per yr. or $3,846.15 per week
    Lower Inherentance TAX.

    Bring jobs back to America. Products manufactured in China are not as good quality as US made and not a inexpensive as they use to be. The retailer or importer is making the money but the consumer is paying almost the same prices for goods from foreign countries as they paid for American goods in the past. Someone is making a killing but the consumer is getting ripped off. I would suppose that UNIONS in the US have caused prices for goods to be more expensive then they were previousely. All in all most American made products are superior than foreign made products with expection to cars and I’m not sure sbout them.

    American UNIONS should be elemiated. They have to much influence over government. Over paid workers, to many concessions, and arrogance of the workers. They seem to think they are entitled to better pay, better working conditions, better pensions, better everything. They are just another American worker and should be conpensated for performance not by what the Union thinks they deserve.
    Government should not be bailing out Banks, Unions, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, IGA or any other company. If they screw up than they have to take their losses. They have to be accountable for their mistakes and not ask Amrican Tax payers to bail them out.
    No one deserves a BONUS if they cause a company to go broke or are irresponsible. That’s not the Governmants job to bail them out.
    Seeing that the Government has many employee they want to protect their employees. They forgot that the American people pay the salaries of the government employees. Many of those who are retired lost their life-time savings in these institutions. But the Governemtn didn’t require that they be paid back. What is fair about that. Robing the poor retires to pay for the rich.

    Research has shown that both Republican and Democrates sponsored, supported and voted for Pork Barrel projects. Projects that were added on to bills that many Legislatures did not even know were added to the bill. Both parties are guilty of speding to much money. SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. They don’t care. It’s not their money and the special interest groups are happy and will vote for them again.

    There must be a law introduced making ear-marks not legal. Also all members of the House and Senate must be required to read all bills introduced and post the bill on-line for 72 hours for America to see before they vote. They would not have the excuse that they didn’t know what was in the bills if there are no ear-marks, pork barrell add ons and they were suppose to read the bill before voting. They should be accountable to know what is in the bills.

    Being that I don’t trust the Democrats now I will be only voting for Republican and prey that they have learned from their many mistakes.

  • JYP

    The Republican pledge disturbs me. They pledge to CONTOL Government Spending. What about CUTTING SPENDING. Freezing hiring on all government agencies is a great idea and salary cuts would be great also. Most the employees get paid more then the private sector does already. They are offered health insurance and pensions that millions of American citizens are not offered. The government employees need to pay for their own insurance. Government employees think they are entitled to get all the perks at the tax payer’s expense. In fact millions of Americans seem to think that their employer should provide health insurance. Why is it the Employer’s responsibility to provide health insurance to them? Why do employees thank they are entitled?

    There should be a National Health Insurance Agency that pools all Insurance Companies in the country for ALL Legal Americans to purchase
    should they want to. There should be premiums that are affordable for all but not FREE. Government and Employers should not have to be responsible of paying Health Insurance for employees. American taxpayers should not have to pay for government employees Health Insurance. All pension funds should be required by law to be funded in an interest bearing savings account that the Government can’t use for anything else and the Private sectors pension funds would also be required to be funded in an interest bearing account and not to be used for anything else except pensions.

    No government employee except the President should be allowed to have an office that cost $15,000.00 per month at tax payer’s expense. There should be a cap as to how much is allocated to spend for office space as well as staff. The Congress and Senate should not be spending our tax money for traveling to foreign countries or making trips within the USA unless it is deemed necessary to their job or department and must be approved by a committee. Even the President should curtail his travel. In this age there is video conferencing that can accomplish many meetings and decisions.

    Those in Congress and the Senate should only be campaigning during adjournment. The President should not be campaigning for his party at all and especially not spending tax money to fly for such events. He should be at the White House taking care of America not traveling all over the US to campaign for his party. Tax payers should not have to pay for that kind of travel and they need to be assured that he President is available to do his job a President.

    Social Security is in trouble because there are so many different entitlements. Senior Citizens, Medicare, the Disabled, Welfare, Food Stamps, Free Lunches, Free Medical care, Free Day Care. It goes on and on.

    The Federal government needs to put the National Guard on the Borders to protect America and enforce the immigration laws. What good do fences do if illegal can climb over there fence. Our tax dollars should be spent on protecting our Borders and enforcing the laws. Illegal aliens should be deported. They have not followed the legal means to enter this country. Most other countries do not treat illegal aliens as visitors and do enforce their laws on illegal entry.

    There should be no more FREE rides for illegal aliens. No Food Stamps, No FREE Meals, No Free Lunches, No free abortions, No Free Health Care. Send them back where they came from. Make the Immigration Laws work. Reform Immigration Laws that will provide a shorter time frame to be eligible for citizenship but tougher guidelines on background checks.

    Repeal the law that states that a child born to an illegal alien is automatically an American Citizen. That law is absurd. If the parents are illegal than the child is also. Shorten the amount of time for deportation.

    The cost to house aliens while the government takes it’s time to deport them is to costly. All the money the government could save on entitlement for aliens could be put into the Social Security Fund for Legal American Citizens.

    Most Senior Citizens have paid into Social Security and deserve to receive their payments. Seniors also pay for Medicare. It’s not FREE.
    They have to pay their deductibles and a the 20% of the cost for Hospital or Test. Except for the small percentage who abuse the system such as foreign Senior immigrants who come here and are automatically eligible to receive Social Security all those who paid into the system should receive their payments.

    What really cost the government is shocking. Welfare to un-wed mothers of both legal and illegal citizens is handed out like candy. Food Stamps, Health Care, Day Care Free Lunches. When the un-wed mothers go to the hospital who do you think pays for the delivery and hospital stay?
    Even the illegal immigrants get taken care of. The Spanish children of Illegal immigrants go to school and many can’t speak English so the school has to have teachers who speak Spanish and English.

    The Employment Security Commission is doing a crummy job. All they do is provide unemployment. The Employment Security Commission employees need to get on the phone or market for jobs. They can call business to see if they have jobs. They just wait for employers to call them if they have an opening. That’s not satisfactory. They also don’t check those on receiving unemployment check to see if they truly have looked for jobs. Those who are unemployed should not be waiting for the same kind of job doing the same thing. The unemployed should be more versatile. They may never have the same kind of job again. There should be a reasonable time limit and then they will have to take whatever is available until the economy returns if it does.

    Why not make income tax simple for all. Straight Flat Tax. Example. 20% if you make $15,000.000 per yr.= $3,000.00 per yr.or $57.59 per week
    $1,000,000.00= $200,000.00 per yr. or $3,846.15 per week
    Lower Inheritance TAX.

    Bring jobs back to America. Products manufactured in China are not as good quality as US made and not as inexpensive as they use to be. The retailer or importer is making the money but the consumer is paying almost the same prices for goods from foreign countries as they paid for American goods in the past. Someone is making a killing but the consumer is getting ripped off. I would suppose that UNIONS in the US have caused prices for goods to be more expensive then they were previously. All in all most American made products are superior than foreign made products with exception to cars and I’m not sure about them.

    American UNIONS should be eliminated. They have to much influence over government. Over paid workers, to many concessions, and arrogance of the workers. They seem to think they are entitled to better pay, better working conditions, better pensions, and better everything. They are just another American worker and should be compensated for performance not by what the Union thinks they deserve.
    Government should not be bailing out Banks, Unions, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, IGA or any other company. If they screw up than they have to take their losses. They have to be accountable for their mistakes and not ask American Tax payers to bail them out.
    No one deserves a BONUS if they cause a company to go broke or are irresponsible. That’s not the Governments job to bail them out.
    Seeing that the Government has many employees they want to protect their employees. They forgot that the American people pay the salaries of the government employees. Many of those who are retired lost their life-time savings in these institutions. But the Government didn’t require that they be paid back. What is fair about that. Robbing the poor retires to pay for the rich.

    Research has shown that both Republican and Democrats sponsored, supported and voted for Pork Barrel projects. Projects that were added on to bills that many Legislatures did not even know were added to the bill. Both parties are guilty of spending too much money. SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. They don’t care. It’s not their money and the special interest groups are happy and will vote for them again.

    There must be a law introduced making ear-marks not legal. Also all members of the House and Senate must be required to read all bills introduced and post the bill on-line for 72 hours for America to see before they vote. They would not have the excuse that they didn’t know what was in the bills if there are no ear-marks, pork barrel add ons and they were suppose to read the bill before voting. They should be accountable to know what is in the bills.

    Being that I don’t trust the Democrats now I will be only voting for Republican and prey that they have learned from their many mistakes.

  • Bob Wire

    Thanks for that post JYP, most all noble considerations with a few exception and the moving of some numbers around ~ So is this to say, you “do trust” Republicans?

    hmm? A good prayer would be timely.

    I like a post such this ~ as it addresses interest and concerns from a personal perspective while avoiding labeling and false indictments.

    Big on anti-union? Just one of many special interest (Labor) the back bone of the American work force while ignoring a host of others places the poster smack down in the GOP camp to be certain.

    It does make one wonder what such a person/poster might do for a living (their profession) and their back ground. Considering the unions have been busted and in decline for the last 30years about the same length time of America middle class has been in decline.

  • DavidL

    In order to provide new tax cuts for the very rich, the Republican Party has proposed to gut investment in job creation, education and basic human needs for working families. According to a new analysis from the Economic Policy Institute released this week, the Republican Party’s plan would kill as many as 1.1 million jobs.

    Republicans claim their goal is to reduce the federal deficit. However, data analyzed by EPI reveals that, at best, despite the massive job-killing cuts, the GOP proposal reduces the federal deficit by a mere 5 percent.

    According to the Republican plan, to achieve this meager goal without doing away with tax cuts for the rich, non-military spending would have to be slashed by some $350 billion.

    The EPI notes that such steps “would result in drastic and politically unrealistic cuts to many human needs and investment programs.” Say “goodbye” to investments in expanding broadband access, research and development in clean energy alternatives, improved healthcare infrastructure, improved roads and bridges, new mass transit, improvements in waste management, environmental cleanup, higher quality education, additional community health centers, and anti-poverty protections for unemployed workers and their families.

    While the GOP plan would deliver this harsh blow to working families, it would add some $629 billion to the deficit in order to provide new tax cuts for the richest 2 percent of Americans.

    By increasing the deficit to pay for a tax cut for the richest Americans, EPI found, the Republican Party’s plan would offset savings accrued by gutting programs for working families.

    In addition, using data from the Congressional Budget Office, the policy institute found that the GOP would put at risk the economic recovery by shrinking the GDP by at least 1.1 percent.

    Because tax cuts for the rich is “the lowest bang for the buck” stimulus plan, it would simply fail to offset jobs lost due to shrinking government investments in the areas listed above.

    Simply put, the Republican Party’s plan to give tax cuts for the rich is at the expense of working families and would result in a net loss of 1.1 million jobs.

    So far the Republicans have refused to get specific about what they would cut. They have refused to do so because they know their ideas would meet massive public resistance. But their proposal for “across the board spending cuts” would mean eliminating schools, roads, railroads, sewers, hospitals, community health centers, energy improvements, and research that would improve our lives, strengthen the economy, and modernize the country.

    All in the name of benefiting a handful of rich people.

  • Bob Wire

    ” So far the Republicans have refused to get specific about what they would cut. They have refused to do so because they know their ideas would meet massive public resistance.”

    offering a lot of “blue sky” for future wiggle room no doubt.

    As Obama has found out so well, it’s much easier to propose it , then it is to make it happen and no one getting their nose out of joint or a$$ slammed in the door.

    Passing HCR will most likely be the biggest single feather in his bonnet. I’m still amazed he and the DNC pulled it off.

    Now if he can just get us out of these two wars in an admirable manner, I will feel good with these two achievements.

    ~ Speaking of this being a “Conservative Site” ~ I suppose it might wish to be called that and wish to be label so. But that leave much to the imagination of the individual. ~ As we see, conservative means many different things to many different people.

    Perhaps one of the first conservative slogans might have been, “Get a Horse” or “the world is flat” ~ these is many faces to “Conservatism”

    One might be conservative with their own money and a lush with common funds. I had a girl friend that was tight as D1ck’s Hat Band, she wouldn’t buy toilette paper or postage stamps ~ seems that was my job. But she’d pay for us both a trip to Vagas. ~ deal ! but it’s still conflicting personal behavior. Or that anyone might buy a 60 thousand dollar car for personal conveyance while claiming to be a conservative of some sort. ~ Having a gun collection worth millions while not planing any armed conflict. ~ yet I know quality firearm are a hedge against inflation but you are not making big bucks with such investment.

    A Texas democrat is conservative, A Texas Republican is a conservative on steroids (with their own money anyway) We both want government out of our business and our lives. Any government handouts best be kept under the table and large denomination preferred, or so it might seem, Via the good old boy system that “doesn’t exist”.

  • http://j Justice4All

    All good pledges! Please also get us out of the United Nations as quickly as possible. They are not our friends!

    GOD Bless The U.S.A.

  • Low IQ Too

    Great. I got the last word on this one.

  • DavidL

    Ten years ago, Congress passed broad income tax cuts. But in a cynical accounting trick designed to mask their long-term impact, they scheduled these cuts to expire next January. Now we are approaching that cliff, and millions of Americans are facing thousands of dollars in higher taxes on January 1.

    That’s why President Obama is fighting to extend the tax breaks for middle class Americans.

    Under the President’s plan, the tax cuts would be permanently extended on incomes up to $250,000, which includes 98 percent of American taxpayers. This is fair, just and crucial for our economy.

    Middle class Americans saw their incomes shrink during the last decade, and have borne the brunt of the recession. They need the relief, and America needs a strong, thriving middle class. Because middle class families are most likely to spend this money quickly, these tax cuts give our economy a much needed shot in the arm.

    Seems like a no-brainer, right? Not to the Republican leaders in Congress.

    They’re holding these tax cuts for the middle class hostage, demanding that we also lift the cap and extend the breaks to millionaires and billionaires.
    The Congressional Republican tax cut plan would add an additional $700 billion to the deficit over the next ten years and give America’s wealthiest people an average tax break of $100,000. To top it all off — the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has found that giving a huge tax break to the wealthiest Americans is one of the least effective ways to stimulate our economy.

    Adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit while doing very little to grow our economy, put people back to work or strengthen America’s middle class is exactly the kind of economic policy that got us into this mess in the first place.

    We simply cannot afford to go back to their failed policies. It’s time for Congressional Republicans to stop playing politics with tax cuts for the middle class.

  • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts John Despard

    Are they going to reveal specifics of this plan? Cutting taxes is fine depending on who gets hurt by the tax cut. I think it would be a great idea to cut politician’s salaries but how many of our representatives would agree to this. Didn’t Tom Delay challenge anyone to live on his salary? Libertarians would cut libraries but without these many would not learn. Libertarians don’t think they should pay school taxes if they don’t have children. It would be a very dark, cruel world if the rich have their way with taxes.

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