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GOP Fulfills Campaign Promise As House Votes To Repeal Obamacare

January 24, 2011 by  

GOP fulfills campaign promise as House votes to repeal ObamacareThe GOP-led House of Representatives has followed through on its word by voting to repeal Obamacare, but the future of the bill remains uncertain as Senate leaders debate its fate.

On Jan. 19, the House voted 245-189 to turn back the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — a $1 trillion, 10-year package that will, among other provisions, require all Americans to obtain healthcare insurance or face fines. During the campaign cycle preceding the 2010 midterm elections, many Republicans vowed to make a repeal of the law their top priority in 2011.

Two weeks into the 112th Congressional session, GOP lawmakers committed to their promises and delivered what will likely be remembered as a symbolic vote, considering that Democrats still hold a majority in the Senate and President Barack Obama can veto the repeal.

"Repeal means paving the way for better solutions that will lower the cost without destroying jobs or bankrupting our government," said Speaker of the House John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), quoted by The New York Times. “Repeal means keeping a promise. This is what we said we would do."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has pledged to prevent a repeal vote on Obamacare, while Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has promised that a vote will occur. Don Stewart, a spokesman for McConnell, told FOX News that "we have ways" to prompt the Senate vote.

House Republicans are prepared for the healthcare repeal to stall in Congress. Thus, they have started to direct committees that will determine specific provisions of Obamacare that they believe should be reversed.

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  • ElvinSilva

    People should never forget that real health depends how well you take care of yourself and not what health insurance you carry but I agree health insurance is important for every one. Search “Wise Health Insurance” online for dollar a day insurance plans.

    • Bruce D.

      I agree Elvin. Do not wait until you are sick to think about your health. Do the right things and you do not get sick.

  • http://deleted Claire

    I received this email from a friend and thought I would share it:

    Wouldn’t it be great to turn on the TV and hear any U.S. President, Democrat or Republican, give the following speech?

    “My fellow Americans; as you all know, the defeat of the Iraq regime has been completed. Since Congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete. This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete in 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning. Before me, I have two lists. List #1 contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries on this list.
    The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world’s nations are on this second list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists to all of you later today.
    Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to these nations on the second list ceases indefinitely. The money saved during the first year will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraq war. Then every year thereafter, it will go to our Social Security system (our government freely robbed from this system) so it won’t go broke in 20 years.
    The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world hell holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

    Need help with famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

    In the future, together we with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home.
    Note: Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

    Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France or China.

    I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France and Russia. We are retiring from NATO as well.
    I have instructed the mayor of New York City to begin towing the many U.N. vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I do not care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York!
    A special note to our neighbors: Canada is on List #2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.
    Mexico is also on List 2. Its president and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I have a couple thousand extra tanks and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put them? Yep, border security!!
    Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty starting now.
    We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we’ll be drilling for oil in Alaska–which will take care of the country’s needs for decades to come. If you are an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2: pick a country and move there.
    It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism and I answer them by saying “darn tootin.”
    Nearly a century of trying to help folks have a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America and this most certainly includes our war veterans.
    To the nations on List #1–Thank you guys. We owe you and we won’t forget.
    To the nations on List#2: a final thought, you may want to learn to speak Arabic.
    God bless America. Thank you and good day.
    If you can read this in English, thank a soldier.”

    I would love to hear a president say these words!!

    • BigBadJohn

      It mentions NAFTA but what about Bush’s folly – CAFTA???

      • wayne

        OK, BigBag John, they are both idiots. Does this satisfy you now? Just because Bush was an idiot, does that mean your man, Nobama, has to be one too? Wake up and see what this currnt administration is doing to his country. Let’s forget about the past, that’s behind us now. Think about the future as it is the most important thing to our country now.

        • eddie47d

          Nice duck and cover,Wayne.

        • JeffH

          wayne, well said.

        • http://deleted Claire

          wayne:

          I agree.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            wayne,
            count me there as well!!

        • JC

          The “Duck and Cover” comes everytime someone wants to make an excuse for Obamunist policies by pointing out something Bush did wrong.
          Actually it’s more like a diversion tactic.
          Yep! Bush was (in my mind) an evil bastard, but that is NO excuse for the Globalist Imposter presently ensconsed in the White House RIGHT NOW!

          Get with the game libbies….Bush is GONE!

          • smilee

            But the results of many of his actions still remain to be cleaned up, a fact you are ignoring!!!

          • JC

            You mean you “assume” I’m ignoring…cuz that’s what Liberals do…they “assume” the worst about everyone and everything.
            It’s what makes them so detestable.

            The whole damned system needs to be cleaned OUT! Moron.
            Not just Bush, not just Obama… EVERYTHING.

          • smilee

            You sound so angry and confused, why????

          • bob wire

            he is ! both those things. ~ It’s a Tea Party thang.

      • http://www.personalliberty.co/gop/news Alice ABC in AZ

        Are you the musician? Capitola? Right on!

    • Bruce D.

      We should not be borrowing money just to give it away. Foreign aid should be the first thing we cut back on. We are not respected because we give money away. It is expected of us and accepted with resentment. Much aid is redistributed to government employees, their friends, and family. Look at Hatti. Let them ask for private donations from the American people if they want money and let it be given voluntarily.

      • wayne

        I agree, Bruce. You cannot ask you own ciizens to cut back while giving money away to foreign countries at the same time. This has been a gripe of mine for years. These countries has been around for a long time, before our own coutry, and a lot of them are still living in the dark ages. The folks in these poor countries are going to have to get off their lazy butts, get an education, and work for their own betterment. As long as they are getting free money from us, they will never improve themselves. You should only want to help those who want to help themselves. Am I being selfish here?

        • Bruce D.

          Good point Wayne. As long as people are getting free money they will never improve themselves.

          • bear

            Nice addition Bruce. Now, listen to your words. Right here in America we have millions who we give money to in a program we call “welfare.” Why should we expect the people of other countries to care about and respect us when the people right here in America don’t care about or respect us for giving them “welfare.” The problem is simple. When you give to people something they truly did not work for, you destroy their incentive to better themselves and you open the door to resentment. The “have nots” will always resent the “haves” for having what they do not. A friend once shared a piece of advise with me that I thought was perfect. She said, “we shouldn’t be trying to sweep someone elses front porch until we know ours is clean first.” How does that hit you? Pretty good advice, I think. We need to reinvent the C.C.C camps that were popular back in the 30′s and 40′s. The Civilian Conservation Corps provided jobs for government dollars and the people felt productiove and were contributiong something instead of sitting on their butts doing nothing. (Google Civilian Conservation Corps and check it out) Time to rethink a lot of good ideas and perhaps get them out of mothballs. As for cutting off aid to all those foreign countries, that has been a number one on my list for decades. Why the hell hasn’t congress thought of that?

          • eddie47d

            I agree bear and those CCC camps were a blessing for many. Workfare not welfare.

          • JeffH

            Well said all the way around.

        • wandamurline

          If you notice, when government wants to make cuts it starts with the military…you know the guys who put their lives on the line everyday for our freedoms….then they hit on Medicare, a entitlement that the government put into place without the people’s consent and made everyone become a part of it when they turn 65…then they go to social security….first, social security is not an entitlement unless you think that your bank has the right not to refund your money you have in your account. Second, social security was put into place as a retirement account (IRA) and was held in its own account until the Demorat Pres. Johnson in 1964 decided to start stealing from it and dumped the money into the general fund…Third, the government has issued social security IOU’s or Bonds for 1.5 trillion dollars which they have no intention of repaying…they have stolen the money. But, they never say “Medicaid”…cutting Medicaid could be the greatest accomplishment ever…there are literally thousand of “poor” people in this country that have never hit a lick of work in their lives. Cut this out except for the disabled and over 60 elderly. It is time for these people to get off the teet of the taxpayer…MEDICAID…THE FIRST ITEM TO CUT.

          • marvin

            wandamurline
            ss and medicare are two programs i have payed in to all my life ss from 1963 and medicare 1965 the other programs like medicaid unemployment comp are not a pay as you go from your check they are a goverment give away the unempoyment comp is a tax on your empoyler and medicaid is a state /fed run like welfare

          • johnrt

            Actually wandamurline the first thing government cuts is government programs and services designed to serve and help you. Military spending is rarely if ever cut. I worked for the U.S. Forest Service Research program for 20 years, first as a supervisory research forester heading up a research lab in Mississippi, then as a budget coordinator in Washington D.C. and last as a Deputy Director (manager)of a Research Station in the Rocky Mountain West. I spent my entire 20 years cutting and reducing budgets at all locations. Research jobs designed to improve management of forests in the U.S. were cut in mostly small university towns across the U.S. In that length of time Forest Service Research lost its #1 world ranking in natural resources research conservation and management. In federal research programs, the first thing that is always cut is foreign travel designed to improve collaboration with other scientists across the world. Next comes attrition i.e. when someone leaves or retires that position is not filled. Each scientist usually requires 2-3 people to support them. Hence, when a scientist retires eventually 2-3 other jobs are lost. I used to be able to tell you how many jobs were lost, but am retired now. The organization was essentially cut in half between 1988 & 2008. I don’t see this happening in the military. However, what we do see is career military personnel being replaced by National Guard personnel. Isn’t it interesting that we have/had National Guard in Iraq and Afghanistan protecting their borders, but not our borders. I always thought the “National” Guard was created to guard “our homeland” not some one else’s.

        • Karolyn

          Wayne – “The folks in these poor countries are going to have to get off their lazy butts, get an education, and work for their own betterment.” I’d like to see you do better down there than they are. In a country where there is no infrastructure, no economy to speak of, rampant medical problems, and severe poverty, it’s next to impossible to “get off their lazy butts…….” Who do you think you are lording it over people with less advantages than us? The only people making any money in Haiti and countries like it are the corrupt rulers.

          • Bruce D.

            Socialist Karolyn, who are you to say what people should and should not do with their money. Why do you not go to Hatti and stay there until the problem is resolved and they do not need your help anymore?
            Where is your compassion for these people. It is most likely that your compassion comes from what you think other people should do for them.

          • wayne

            Karolyn, whose fault is that? Is that our fault? When the Pilgrims first came to America, and for a long time after, they did not have any structure to work with either. They built their own. They did not sit around on their behinds waiting for some one else to keep them. They worked from daylight to dark. They worked hard with their bare hands ,and used ingenuity, or we would not have any structure today either. Why is it that parts of Africa has been around for hundreds & hundreds of years, way before America was here, and they still are having people starve to death. Yes! the Pilgrams did not sit around on their rear ends. They worked hard to give ss what we have today. Now, Nobama is trying to destroy all that People had done from that time until today. I really think that people are going to eventually wake up by the next election and vote this Socialist out of office before we lose everything those older folks had worked for. Karolyn, I just don’t understand your ideolgy. We need good honest people with character, willing to do an honest days work for an honest day of pay. We need a government that is going to represent this type of person. Nobama has failed us and he has got to go. Period.

          • Karolyn

            Wayne – You forget that the Pilgrims came from a civilized country. Africa is a huge country that is not all civilized to this day. Haiti was started with slaves who were kept down and whose progeny have been kept down by the powers that be. You don’t seem to understand the concept of being poor in a country with little to no opportunity unless you have a relative who gets to the US and can send money back to enable you to start some kind of business. There are organizations formed specifically for women in 3rd world countries to start businesses. Do you think they don’t? Unfortunately, there are not enough resources to go around. “Judge not lest ye be judged.” The holier than thou attitude is not very becoming.

          • Bruce D.

            I agree with Wayne. People in this country started with nothing. We have given billions and billions to help Hatti over the last 30 years. They are like a welfare state. Let those that want to give their money away to Haiti give it away. Those that want to help their own family and their own charities let them do that. You cannot help those that cannot help themselves. It is racist Karolyn to say that those from Africa are uncivilized and cannot do as well as those who came from Europe. We should treat them equally as individuals Karolyn and stop the poor pathic as a group stuff.

          • Michael J.

            Karolyn,
            England in the 16th century was a civilized country? The pilgrims didn’t hardly see it that way I can assure you. Sanitary conditions alone were worst than present day Haiti in that human waste was hastily tossed out the nearest second story window often on the heads of unfortunate passers by with only the occasional “heads up” as a warning. This was a land of back to back cholera epidemics as a result.

            My ancestors from Holland landed here with English pilgrims on the shores of the new world in 1680. Hardy people who were promised nothing and expected nothing. There was no welfare, no social security, no government housing, no government loans for those who wished to start a business. As a matter of fact there wasn’t much of anything here aside from wilderness, native indians and an oppressive monarchy which ruled from across the ocean.

            In spite of the many hardships they managed to carve a living out of the wilderness to support growing families. Enduring a crescendo of regulation and taxation without representation began to foster a dream of what government could and should be. In the decade prior to the signing of the Declaration Of Independence they fought what was then a world super power to make their dreams a reality. The United States Constitution was inked in their very blood and that was just the beginning. Since then they were involved in every righteous cause, regional dispute, world war and fist fight that was required to build this country and keep it safe. To defend the Constitution that had cost them so dearly.

            So tell me again Karolyn how an oppressed people cannot escape tyranny.

          • Bruce D.

            Nice post Michael. Early Americans endured death, sickness, and starvation to get away from the tyranny of Europe. It was never easy and only came about by hard work, pain, and suffering. Those on the left would like everyone to forget about our heritage as they believe no one can really succeed without government help.

          • Al Sieber

            Karolyn, name any any great civilization that flourished in Africa, Haiti, etc.. all these countries depend on us for welfare, etc. for us to support them, I know because I’ve been to these countries. do some research on on foreign aid.

        • http://deleted Claire

          wayne & Bruce: America has always been the first to give money, food, aid, etc. We can no longer do this. We must stop this insane spending, and start taking care of America first. Then, after we take care of America, and IF there is any money left, then maybe, maybe we can help others but only the countries that have helped us. What bothers the heck out of me is the fact we have honest homeless and hungry people right here in the U.S. and this includes our veterans!! This IS wrong! Administrations have freely given to other countries when we do not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. I am being crude but enough is enough. All administrations have placed America in such a hole that it is unthinkable and inexcusable. Another thing, I truly do not believe there is a single elected politician that will put the clamps on this debacle. They all act like it is their money to give away. It isn’t! It is ours! It is our money that was put into Social Security which includes Medicaid. All of us paid into these programs with our hard earned dollars and all administrations stole from it and never put the money back!! These administrations, past and present are nothing but thieves/criminals themselves! They had no right to take this money of ours. And yet they act like they are God’s gift to American humanity! Let them take a pay cut, let them walk to work, let them do without their gigantic pensions and marvelous insurance. Let them live like some of the rest of us. They should get their asses in gear, shape up, and do their job like they should. We elected these politicians, let them prove to America and all Americans that they ARE WORTHY of our vote. Forget the speeches, forget the patronizing talk, forget talking to the American public like we are dummies that they can manipulate. get down to brass tacks and fly right.

          • kate8

            Claire – Yes, and I just read where we are continuing to import foreign workers who are taking American jobs while citizens are losing jobs.

            We’ve simply got to all stand up and say ENOUGH! It’s still our country, but not for much longer.

      • Karolyn

        Bruce – There are private humanitarian efforts going into Haiti. Clinton heads one. However, considering the extreme conditions in a country that has NOTHIN, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, they need all the help they can get. Or would you have them all just starve and die of all the rampant disease?

        • Bruce D.

          I would think people like you would give your money Karolyn. The people in Hattii are not getting most of the money. It is being stolen by those in government. You should switch news channels Karolyn. You seem to not be getting all the news.

          • Al Sieber

            You got that right Bruce.

        • wayne

          Karolyn, maybe I don’t know what I am talking about here, but how long has Haiti been a country? I have seen lazy bums right in this country that are were lazy to work. Thank God they are in minority, but it seems were getting more and more of that kind of people. Nobama will only make this situation worse. In order to get a head people have to be educated, and willing to work. The lazy folks are the ones who failed to get an education, by being lazy. Without the education they can’t get a decent job then they go on welfare and depend on the other person who did all the right things to support them. Even without the education they could at least be laborers.

          • Karolyn

            Haiti has always had corrupt government keeping the people down. And how do you know people are getting lazier and lazier? Got any proof? I know here where I live in SC they seem to be pretty lazy; however, I thought that was just a southern thing. I did not see that in NJ, where I spent most of my life. I believe that just because we are privy to so much more information makes it seem like some things are worse, when they are, in fact, no different than ever. We also have to think proportionately. This country is much bigger than it was when I was a kid – like twice the population!

          • Bruce D.

            I disagree on you that Karolyn. People from the South are fine upstanding people. They contribute a lot to our culture and our society. I do not think they are lazy at all.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Personally I do know quite a few people that live in the South. They are NOT lazy, they are hard workers and pay their taxes just like the rest of us. Some of the problem is that they have lousy politicians in their states too.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – you really should leave the South, you seldom have anything decent to say about the folks in your area and the state you adopted as yours. Good grief. When will Northerners learn to stay in their own states if they can’t stop continuously putting the state they now live in down.

          • Karolyn

            Where I live, it’s a fact. My neighbor cannot even get some kid to help her around the yard for $10 per hour, which is twice what most people here can pay. I don’t hate or disapprove of these people. It’s just a fact.

          • libertytrain

            It seems to be a fact that you belittle at every turn.

        • JeffH

          The Red Cross collected $255 million for Haiti relief effort but only sent $80 million!
          Now it turns out that of the $255 MILLION the Red Cross collected for the relief effort, only $80 MILLION of it actually made its way to Haiti. That leaves $175 MILLION of YOUR donations unaccounted for.

          In other words, the Red Cross decided Haiti only needed $80 MILLION. So any money they receive over that amount is being used to pad their general fund. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this:

          1) In 1989, the Red Cross raised $50 MILLION for the victims of the San Francisco earthquake. But it’s estimated that only $10 MILLION of it was turned over to the actual victims.

          2) After September 11th, the Red Cross raised $543 MILLION for the family members of people who died in the attacks. But they held back more than HALF of that money, which eventually led to the dismissal of their president.

          3) In 2004, the Red Cross raised $3.21 BILLION to aid the victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami. But they’re still holding onto $500 MILLION of it.

          4) And in 2005, the Red Cross raised $1.1 BILLION to aid the victims of Hurricane Katrina. But they kept $200 MILLION of it to, quote, “prepare for future disasters.”

          It’s worth mentioning that the Red Cross got $100 MILLION in bailout funds, and that PRESIDENT OBAMA capped the salaries of Red Cross execs at $500,000 a year. Because they’d been earning almost $1 MILLION a year.

          The Red Cross is a good organization, and the money they raise will eventually be used to help someone in crisis . . . at least we hope so. But they’re not nearly as forthcoming as you would hope or expect, considering it’s YOUR donations that keep them in business.

          • Karolyn

            I never give to any organization that doesn’t spend the largest portion of their budget on direct services.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, I agree. I used to donate to the Humane Society years ago until I realized they only spent about 5% of donations towards humane services. The rest is spent to further their radical political agenda.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH– As much as I love animals and care about their welfare, I will not donate to the Humane Society. Ever.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH and Claire,
            Better to donate to your local rescue centers, as long as they are reputable AND non-kill!

    • Palin12

      Very nice Claire!

      • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

        Karolyn,
        by Li Onesto, at revcom.us/a/191/Haiti-en.html.)

    • JeffH

      Claire, yah hoo! That may endup the “post of the year”. Fantastic and thanks for sharing. No mention of Bush/Obama, Republican/Democrat, left/Right or conservative/liberal.

    • eric

      if only this would happen. What a great speach

    • EhCanadianConservative

      Claire? Canada is on the second list? Really? Why? We were part of Operation Desert Storm and did our part to help liberate Kuwait. We’ve been in on “the war-on-terror” doing our part to liberate Afghanistan from the Taliban. Are you pissed at us because we didn’t take part in the Iraq War? The Iraq War to save the world from Weapons of Mass Destruction? That wasn’t it. The Iraq War to fill Haliburton’s pockets? No, they got caught over-charging fairly quickly. Whatever the excuse for the second Iraq War was, Canada’s tiny, under-funded military was already pretty much deployed in Afghanistan. But the Iraq War aside, Canada tends to sign up and fight the bad guys pretty quick. We were there in World War One, right from the start. The isolationists in the US kept you guys on the sidelines for another three years. World War Two started in 1939. Canada was there, where was the US? (Yes, Canadians had been fighting and dying in Europe and the Pacific for over TWO YEARS before Pearl Harbour. Some of our guys were in Japanese POW camps for five years but they were sure glad you finally showed up.) Since WW2, Canada and the US have worked together for years in NORAD, and Strategic Air Command and our Armed Forces often train and fight together (remember the movie “The Devil’s Brigade”? True story.) So let’s not get pissy, because Canada just didn’t have the toys for the Iraq War. (And contrary to what Janet Napolitano AND John McCain said, the 9-11 Terrorists DID NOT enter the US via Canada.)
      You want to rip-up NAFTA. Okay. You’ll lose 10% of your DAILY oil supply and we can enjoy lower gas prices. That might sounds good to us, but it’s not very neighbourly, and of course, it would suck because we’re each other’s biggest trading partner. If your list of friends is only five countries long, why put your little brother on the other list? So let’s stop posting silly lists, and put aside the big brother – little brother squabbling and keep standing together to fight for democracy. We all like to hunt and fish and drink beer so let’s just do that and shove that list up some liberal’s a$$.

      • http://deleted Claire

        EhCanadianConservative– I am not backpeddling concerning my post, it was an email sent to me, and I posted it on this site. I agree with all of it. However, I do understand why Canada did not join in with us when we invaded Iraq. Iraq was a drummed-up war, and it has backfired on America. I do thank you and your country for being an ally when the situation was feasible and you joind hands with America.

        • http://deleted Claire

          “joined”

      • JC

        Just to help round out the thought from our Canuck friend…
        Americans rarely hear anything from the US media regarding the charity / foreign aid work of other nations. For example, did you know that during the rescue efforts of Katrina that Canada has 3 naval vessels including a hospital ship parked offshore that were there to lend assistance with everything from water purification to medical aid and food supplies…but were refused their offer to help.

        And… one of the main reasons that Canada, France and Germany protested the invasion of Iraq, (I was and remain agianst that invasion) was because of money…not nobility.
        The “Oil for Food” program that caught Kofi Annan with his pants down and his hand in the cookie jar was actually a money laundering operation that saw bankers and corporations in those 3 countries making billions under the table. The whole thing found its way back to a Montreal based outfit called PowerCorp.

        If you want the truth in any situation…follow the money.

  • http://N/A Jobie Barfield

    Well said my friend, well said!!!!!!!

  • http://N/A Jobie Barfield

    The Senators (and Obama) that resist repeal of Obamacare will be WELL REMEMBERED in the next elections…..We have already cleaned out the House and some Senators, but next election we will finish the job…..

    • Kinetic1

      Jobie,
      If the voters do remember those who didn’t support repeal, it may just help. Polls show that, now that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has begun to kick in voters are less and less likely to want it all repealed. Some provisions have support in the 78% range! I’d say those who work to refine the bill will end up the winners, while those who waste time and money on repeal just to score political points with the TEA party will be the big losers come 2012.

  • Charles

    Why was Mr. Obama and the Dmocratic left, not willing to take this ‘health care’ concern in small steps?

    • BigBadJohn

      Because they could not get the republicans to sit down and work out something that was acceptable to all. Republicans had two ideas, interstate sale of insurance and tort reform. Both are good starts do nothing to address the illegal immigrants who can not be refused emergency room service. It does nothing to prevent insurance companies golden bullet of “pre-existing condition ” clause. It does nothing to address the people who would be willing to buy insurance – if they could afford it!
      Although I do not like the idea of being forced to buy insurance, it is done already for car insurance, home owner insurance etc..

      • Awokenone

        Auto insurance is state mandated, not federal & not all states mandate it also your not mandated to own an automobile. In my state homeowners insurance is mandated only via the bank, if they own your home by mortgage.

        • bear

          Right! The Feds can not demand that you buy car of homeowner insurance. That protection is required by State law to protect a lender while you are making payments. It prevents you from walking away from the debt when your SUV gets totaled or your house burns to the ground. Once you hve paid your loan in full, the obligation changes. Most homeowners recognize the need to protect against certain perils such as fire, flood and burglary and do so. As for car insurance, most states only require liability insurance or a posted bond in a predetermined amount to cover the loss incurred if you hurt someone else in an act of negligence. Basicly, we are being directed to being responsible for our actions which we should be naturally and automatically.

          • Jana

            Big Bad John says, “Because they could not get the republicans to sit down and work out something that was acceptable to all.”——-

            Where were you? The Democrats and your precious Obama totally shut out the Republicans. They were treated like a hated stepchild.
            The Republicans were ignored. Half of the people were NOT represented when the Health Care Bill was being formulated.

          • eddie47d

            Not so fast Jana;The Affordable Healthcare bill debate went on for over a year and that was plenty of time for Republicans to get their views out.Even those Republicans who supported The bill voted against it. Little more than Party politics. Now it’s all about being a job killer which is more smoke and fire from those R’s.

          • Jana

            Not so eddie,
            They were flatly not let in the debate. They were shunned at every turn.

          • bob wire

            “Where were you? The Democrats and your precious Obama totally shut out the Republicans. They were treated like a hated stepchild.”

            Jana, we were here. I’m not sure about the “precious Obama ” thing, ~ I’ll take that as a snearing catty slur. But we were here when the GOP behaved like red headed step children and were eventually ignore as showing no interest in the process.

            And let me say, the bias political canker was so intense, it would have been a death wish for any GOP politician to attempt to take part in the process. IS THAT NOT SO? or do you see it differently?

            It was clear the GOP was then ~ and is now today ! attempting to use HCR to be Obama’s stake thu the heart.

            The crazy part is ~ much like the “birther” and their “lost cause” , this too shall be.

            It’s not going to go down as you think and hope it might.

            What you have achieved is getting a few people excited.

            Have any of you vetted Rand Paul? You have elected him to congress. Has anyone really done the work? It’s very easy to assume he qualifies. “O” was no different.

      • Dan az

        As recently as the 1960s, low-cost health insurance was available to virtually everyone in America – including people with existing medical problems. Doctors made house calls. A hospital stay cost only a few days’ pay. Charity hospitals were available to take care of families who could not afford to pay for healthcare.

        Since then the federal government has increasingly intervened through Medicare, Medicaid, the HMO Act and tens of thousands of regulations on doctors, hospitals and health-insurance companies

      • Dan az

        BBJ
        This is the health care bill that will be used not the obomanation.
        http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1495:
        Just think it wont take two years to read it either.

      • wayne

        BigBadJohn, come down from your high horse. The Democrats locked the Republicans out, and did not even want to hear their side. Most of the Democrats was not even aware of what was in the health care bill. Would you be so stupid to sign something that you had not read over? I hope you wouldn’t Remember when Nancy Pelosi was asked by a reporter if she knew what was in the bill. She answered, we’ll just have to wait until its passed to find out, won’t we. Tell me that you agree with that asinine statement. If so, then we’ll all know your nuts too.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BBJ,
        Bull$hit!! The republicans were locked out of the meetings and were not allowed to participate!! I don’t mind if you want to cut on the republicans, but get it truthful at least!!

        • Bruce D.

          I agree Joe H. It is difficult for the country to find a middle ground when someone will tell any kind of lie to promote their side.

          • bob wire

            “I don’t mind if you want to cut on the republicans, but get it truthful at least!!”

            The truth? you ask for? ~ The truth is, the political rangling was so politically polarized, ~ it would have been very expensive for any GOP politician to take part in HCR without suffering party displeasure!

            In fact so much so, much of the baseline ideas in HCR creation was GOP (John MCains’s) ideas from years prior but Mc Cain wished to distance himself from it as far as was possible, not wanting the credit or attention.

            So there is your truth Joe, and the crazy part about it is ~ I do believe you are a smart enough man to know what I say is true.

      • Al Sieber

        BBJohn, there’s no difference in the 2 parties. also, how you doing in the stock market? be careful, it’s a rigged casino game, it’s not buy, sell, or trade it’s rigged all the way, to their benefit.

    • wayne

      That would have been too simple for them, but that is the way it should have been handled. It should have also been handled out in he open, not behind closed doors with the Republicans locked out of the discussion. I think the Democrats handled this bill very, very poorly. Let’s do away with it, and start over by including both sides in the debate, and please do it out in the open so the American People are aware of what is going on. Do you remember that stupid statement that Pelosi make when asked what was in the health care bill. She told the reported who asked that question, Quote, ” Well, we’ll just have to wait until it is passed to find out what’s in it, won’t we?” unquote. What a stupid, stupid, woman. How can anyone vote for this fool.

      • Kinetic1

        wayne,
        First point: if you are going to “quote” someone, you have to actually use the words they used.
        Second: adding your own snarky tone does nothing to boost your own credibility.

        What Speaker Pelosi said was “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” It still sounds bad…. out of context. The implication is that she was speaking to Congress instead of the people. The point was that the right was so busy trying to shoot down the bill that the people were not getting an accurate idea of what the bill contained. When you hear the full statement (which the right doesn’t want you to) it’s a very clear statement. Simply put, she was saying that, while the bill was available to be read on line, much of the value and effect of this bill would not be recognized until it had a chance to take effect, thus disproving the claims of the Republicans. Truth is, she was right.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Kinetic1 … You can try to spin what she said until the cows come home, but it won’t make any difference! She said it needed to be passed so it could be read. By agreeing with that logic you are siding with her and making both of you look stupid. Nuff said!

          • david

            must be a Obama, Reid and Pelosi supporter

          • Kinetic1

            Robin,
            You see, this is how the Republicans play. I give you context and the fact that the bill was available to read on line, and you respond by sticking with the line that was fed to you by Rush and Hannity. They’ve got you thinking that the spin is truth and the truth is spin.

          • Kinetic1

            You know what Robin, let’s take this one step further. Speaker Pelosi did not say “it needed to be passed so it could be read.” That’s the spin put on this by the right. That’s the distortion. If you wanted to read the bill, it was on line. If you wanted to understand the truth about what was in the bill, that was tougher because the Republicans were lying through their teeth about it. Just look at the list laid out on the floor of congress last week;
            137 new agencies — not true;
            death panels — not true;
            Members aren’t covered — not true
            And on it goes. Unsubstantiated claims about the number of IRS agents, counting new systems or accounts in already existing departments as “new “bureaucracies”, anything to blow things out of proportion.

            You may or may not approve of the health care bill, and you may or may not approve of Nancy Pelosi, but let’s at least debate this on the up and up.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robin,
            what kenetic1 forgets is the finished bill was only faintly similar to the internet version!!

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            So how many lawmakers actually read the bill? Pretty close to zero,right? Sounds like Pelosi-speak was tougher to figure out than a Rubic’s Cube because apparently lawmakers came away with the same understanding that you say Hanity and Limbaugh did. Evidence of this is the fact that Democrat lawmakers voted first before finding out what was in it.

            Your spinning of this matter is intense enough to upset the balance of a whirling dervish.

        • Don

          Kinetic1, your twisting the fact, if you believe that, you are an idiot just like plosi is, move to france !!

          • Kinetic1

            Don,
            Like I said to Robin, all I did was place Pelosi’s words in context. It’s you folks who are twisting the meaning. As for France, don’t forget that without the French we might not have beat the British.

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            Don’t forget that without our help in liberating their lands from the hands of the Germans, the land northeast of the Iberian Peninsula would have been French Fried… TWICE

        • wayne

          Kinetic1, your getting a little testy, arn’t you? OK, it may have not been her exact words. In fact I did not say it was he exact words. But she did make the statement that we would have to wait until the bill was passed before we knew what as in the bill. I believe that most of the folks on here mostly likely heard her make this comment. Don’t try to cloud the issue over by being exact. Even Mathematics is not any exact sciense. If you don’t believe tdhe last statement, ask a college professor.

          • Kinetic1

            wayne,
            Am I testy? Maybe, but why shouldn’t I be when the right continues to argue this point based on a lie? The point is, your paraphrasing of her statement ignored the context and changed the meaning. What all of you seem to fail to understand is that she was not speaking literally about the text of the bill, but of the impact. The text was available, but the effects were being debated and often obscured. In fact, her statement holds true for many bills. The authors will tell you what they believe the results of the bill will be, opponents offer another view and the CBC will offer their opinion. In the end, the actual effects of the bill will not be known until it is enacted. Even then, the two sides may continue to debate the actual effects.

            Take the Reagan tax cuts: Reagan argued that cutting taxes would increase revenues and Conservatives argue that the results of Reagan’s policies proved that point. Liberals contend that Reagan simply gave that impression by allowing the nation’s debt to soar. Everyone had the opportunity to see what was being proposed up front, but the real results would not be known until the policy had been enacted, and even then there is debate.

          • JeffH

            In Pelosi’s own words: ““But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”
            http://www.breitbart.tv/nancy-pelosi-we-need-to-pass-health-care-bill-to-find-out-whats-in-it/

            They promised the public the opportunity to read(and understand?)the 1,919 pages 72 hours before the vote – talk about cramming for an exam.

          • JC

            Jeff,
            Check this out. Having lived on both sides of the border long enough to see what is “really” going on, I can tell you that even the trailer is an accurate eye openr.

            One Movie puts ObamaCare on ICE…
            http://www.sickandsickermovie.com

    • Bruce D.

      Charles why is it that Mr. and Mrs. Obama have exempted themselves from Obamacare along with the Unions and all the politicians that voted for Obamacare.

      • david

        If you knew it was lousy, wouoldn’t you? A good piece of junk!!!!

      • wayne

        Congress, their staff, and their families are also exempt. No watch Kinetic come in to try and contradict this one too. Yes! we all know where Kinetic1 stands.

        • wayne

          Sorry about the typos. I hate this keyboard on the laptop of my Gateway Computer.

    • smilee

      Big problems cannot be solved with little steps, takes big steps and if you find later corrections be made go back and do it. Small steps come from small minds.

  • http://firefox PW

    Elvin, that was a speech alright. Now your on the red list and probably one of the first one to go.
    If only it was that simple. Realism vs idealism has always been around
    and idealism just doesn’t work out. Although, I agree with you. You have to remember it has been the greed of the American citizens who has created the problem with their greed. People still don’t get it. Why do you suppose industry moved of of the Country? Because their greedy,I don’t think that was the main cause. People wanted more pay, wanted the unions. The one thing we should do if has every state adopt “the right to work” That would take care of the unions. We should keep our noise out of the FBI and CIA and let them do their jobs as they were meant to be done. You talk about the UN and parking tickets. Taking their car and trashing it isn’t the answer, however putting them in jail might be a solution. Don’t you suppose there is a kick back to New York for turning our heads. Follow the money. Just like our boarders. How on earth can we bring back the soldiers when their job have been taken by many people who don’t belong here. Remember these soldiers are reserves and had jobs before they left. We will have to do what three presidents had to do and crack down on immigrations and round illegals up and send them back. It is not so much of them that have made a life for themselves and own businesses but the ones that stand on the corner waiting to go to work. Change the law on anchor babies like the European countries do. There are plenty of solutions but no one has the guts to touch it. People need to write to their Congressman and not suggest but to demand that legislation be introduced. Is this humankind? It is all debatable. It is not about one person, it is what is best for our country to survive.

    • Tom from Idaho

      You know, I keep hearing about the “greed” of the American people. The elephant in the room, however is the greed of our government and the career politicians who run it; that’s really where the “greed” is. That, too, is why the Dems will fight tooth and nail against repeal, no matter how many of We the People reject it. It is nothing but a big payoff for career politicians, beaurocrats (sp?) and those who are in bed with this corrupt system to be set up against our will. The same goes for (God forbid) Cap and Tax. Sheeple – - wake up!! We’re headed for a dictatorship if we don’t hold our elected official’s feet to the fire.

      • david

        Tom, I totally agree with you statements

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Tom… I agree! It all starts at the top and it has been going on long before Barry was groomed for the presidency by Soros!

      • Don

        You are so right Tom, the libs will never get their head out of the sand, there afraid that they will half to work !!

      • wayne

        Tom, I am one Conservative that won’t vote for any of the Democrats that voted for the health care bill. Down with Obama and the Democrats in 2012. They will only get the Socialist and the Commies to vote for them. I hope we have over 50 percent of the folks in his country that have woke up that will vote these people out.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    lets get the job done.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    A nice symbolic gesture…

    Health care is not a Right, it is a service. Health care existed when the Constitution was written and they saw fit to not have the Govt involved, for obvious and sane reasons.

    People wish to say that the Govt can mandate health care because they can mandate Auto insurance beware. If you wish to relate the two, then do it completely. If you do not own a car then everyone should still be required to have auto insurance, or “movement insurance”.
    The correlation is absurd and defies logic; The state may require you to have auto insurance, but do they pay your repair bills? So paying Health insurance shouldnt entitle you health repair either.
    To the supporters of Public Mandatory health care, You cant have it both ways….Its not a Right it a service like any service related industry…you want this one, then fine, I want ALL services mandatory & free fro all…(One way to get a free ride & your house cleaned)

    • Bruce D.

      Movement insurance, not that is a good one.

    • Stone

      You are right, healthcare is not a right, so lets take it away from our politicians. They certainly can afford to pay for their own.

      Everytime an uninsured person goes into the ER guess who pays for it? You and I in higher premiums and what the uninsured is charged is double what we pay with insurance.

      Something needs to be done. 53 million americans without HC, not acceptable. As the right wants to scrap this healthcare bill, their plan is to only provide 3 million with HC. What about the other 50 million?

      We need affordable healthcare, something that all can have access to and afford. I agree with the other poster about medicade, why do we reward those that don’t work and don’t want to work and say to hell with those who work but can’t afford their employer based plans.

      What’s wrong with this country? Or the scrooges that say baah humbug.

      • david

        While I agree with most of your comments, as well as some of the others here, We will do well to remember that most insurance companies are not privately owned but are investor owned and they must make money to keep stockholders who want a good return on their investments, happy. Seems to me that is free interprise at work.
        I would rather deal with all the insurance problems than have a government mandated, illegal insurance program, or any other government mandated program. Any one, Democrat, Republican, Tea party or whatever winds your spring, that truly belives that we are not loosing our freedoms one mandate at a time really needs to get their heads out of the sand or whereever it is that your head may be, must be in a fairy world.

        • Stone

          David,
          I have worked for nonprofit orgs. for the past 23 years. When I moved to where i currently live was the first time i couldn’t afford my companies HC plan. Because i’m retired military, i decided to give Tricare a try. After serving 20 years for my country, this is how Tricare works for me. I have $250 annual deductible plus have to pay either 20 or 25% of the cost for any services i receive. According to the military newsletter i get congress wants to raise our out of pocket expenses. I just had eye surgery what tricare covers is applied to my $3000 out of pocket catistropic (sp) costs. I already met my deductible and have paid $250 just for the eye doctors visits, haven’t got the surgery bill and i’m also paying for the for the cost of the juice they used to put me under. Now when i enlisted in 1968, i was told that if i made a career out of the military, i would have free medical for life which was a lie. Only our elected officials get free HC at our expense. I am also a disabled vet so i called the VA to see if they would do the surgery, only to find out that in 2003 (the rep. controlled)house passed income guidelines for vets. I make too much money to use the VA. hospital. The only good out of this i see better and will never have to wear glasses again.

  • tim

    Meanwhile, because of this healthcare bill. Costs are rising everyday. They need to get rid of it and devise a system where we are back to competition, not allowing healthcare prices to run wild because of gov’t intervention.

    • Stone

      Many of the provisions in the bill have not gone into effect yet. That is not why cost are going up. It’s greed of the healthcare system

      Take precriptions, why can other countries get the same drugs by the same manufacturer at one thrid of the cost we pay?

      I know this is a way different but a vet in the Azores treated my dog, opersted on his ear lobe and nutered him at a cost of $20.00 He had the same problem with the other ear went back and i was charged nothing. Not he same but we are way off base with our HC. I recently had eye surgery and had to see my dr. after each surgery along with the initial vist so far in a 30 day period i’m out of pocket $250 with co-pays and hadn’t received the bill from the surgeon yet…can’t waite for that bill to arrive.

  • Packeryman

    The Republicans have accomplished nothing with repeal of the healthcare bill. It is a total waste of time and a play to the far right base. The public is aware it is not going anywhere, They also know that that it contains many good issues for the people. The Republicans are trying to give total control back to the insurance industry instead of trying to straighten out what they think is problems. Their game is B.S. The insurance industry is a third party parasite in healthcare. All they do is add cost and the denial of healthcare to millions of Americans. Why do you think over a hundred million was spent advertising against the new bill before the election? The insurance companies knew in the future their sucking hundreds of billions out of the healthcare system would come to and end.

    • Bruce D.

      It was not a waste of time Pac. It is the first step of many. Passing Obamacare was the waste of time, effort, and moneykeryman.

      • david

        Agree

      • bob wire

        May you live long enough to learn you are wrong.

    • wayne

      Hopefully the people will decide that in 2012 when we kick some more Congress Members out of government. We need to send those Socialist packing.

    • Daniel

      “The Republicans are trying to give total control back to the insurance industry instead of trying to straighten out what they think is problems. Their game is B.S. The insurance industry is a third party parasite in healthcare. All they do is add cost and the denial of healthcare to millions of Americans.”

      Therefore, the solution is to REQUIRE that every American adult do business with these insurance parasites? Now, that’s a good one!

      Yeah, I know. The REAL solution is to grant a government monopoly on health insurance and eliminate any vestige of competition that could provide even the slightest downward pressure on health care prices, right? Ha, ha, ha.

      • Bruce D.

        You do not really know what the Republicans want to do Daniel. Why do you pretend to???

        • Daniel

          I don’t care what the Republicans “are trying to do.” As a strict constitutionalist libertarian, I don’t trust them any further than I can throw a two-ton boulder.

          I just think it’s hysterical that someone would argue about the evil insurance companies, yet support a law of which the most controversial provision REQUIRES people to do business with these same evil insurance companies.

          Wazzup wi dat?

          • wayne

            If you trust the Democrats any further, please let us know why, Daniel?

          • Al Sieber

            Daniel, I agree with you, there’s no difference in either party, one causes the problem and the other comes up with the solution. if you don’t agree with the republicans (who are the same as the democrats, close) then people call you a liberal, or a democrat. I’m for which ever party follows the Constitution.

          • Al Sieber

            Wayne, Daniel said he was a strict Constitutional Libertarian,it has nothing to do with Dems., or Repub.

          • JC

            I’m with Daniel in the Libertarian / Constitution category.
            And it never fails to amaze me how well indoctrinated the American electorate is in thinking there are only two options.
            Guess what folks…we’ve been voting those “two options” for decades
            and we get screwed either way. Restore the Republic and End the Fed.
            Go Libertarian!

  • http://Yahoo Arda Madeley

    I just have question for ALL of you……why is it, we, who are common average ordinary citizens working for a living, can see all AND come up with solutions – I LOVE the list one and List two thing and have advocated it for some time. In fact, I believe The Marshall Plan is wonderful…take care of our own and our country. IF we have anything left, in times of national disaster, help others.

    We can see it clearly. So what happens once we elect someone and they trek off to D.C. Do they lose their minds? Is there an anti-American poison in the water? What happens to those jokers that they suddenly believe they walk on water, are better than all of us, deserve special benefits, retirement, compensation, etc and deserve to be members of the elite to whom common laws do not apply!’

    If we could cut the thread there, ya know, we might just make it.

    • wayne

      Arda, we have to blame the lame headed Congress Members Constituents for voting these idiots back in office for up to 30 to 40 years and making a career of it. We need to hold their feet to te fire, but a lot of the folks in their district are ignorant to what their members are doing up on Capital Hill.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Oh and I forgot..amist the big Healthcare Hubub the “GREAT CONSERVATIVE political party” is allowing the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Patriot Act to be renewed…theres Freedom & Liberty for ya…Glad they wasted their efforts on the healthcare “show” while allowing the means to enforce the healthcare is allowed to move forward without any difficulty..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Gee, it’s a good thing the progressives didn’t do that!!! Oh, wait, they did!! Let’s see what they do when they get a majority in BOTH houses!

  • Abe

    Do not waste one more single penny on illegal aliens FOR ANYTHING. Send them all back to where they came from, we already have enough natural born sponges here, we do not need to be importing them. That is a great note about those who supported us in combat. For those who did not, NO MORE FOREIGN AID TO YOU.

    • 45caliber

      Further, we should charge their country for the costs to send them back. It would come out of their foreign aid money. It might be interesting to see how quickly those countries suddenly find ways to stop their citizens from coming here.

  • http://firefox PW

    Hey, the people don’t know and don’t understand. If they did, this would have never happened anyway. Part of the reason the cost is so high is because we ended up paying for the votes to pass it. Let me tell you, I am glad I paid for insurance. I had heart surgery and did not have to pay a dime. I had a high premium but in the end, it turned out to be more like a savings account. Almost ten years ago. I agree that premiums are high and insurance company are making a mint but they also have plenty of people working for them and cost. We were not suppose to have ear marks in this bill remember! Why did we need a road to let turtles cross in Florida? Legislation should be passed stating there should be no ear marks in any bill.

    • wayne

      I agree whole heartedly.

    • bob wire

      “Part of the reason the cost is so high is because we ended up paying for the votes to pass it. Let me tell you, I am glad I paid for insurance. I had heart surgery and did not have to pay a dime. I had a high premium but in the end, it turned out to be more like a savings account. ”

      Well, I enjoy an up beat story, Glad that you are still with us PW.

      But explain how these votes were bought and how they might reflect in your premiums above and beyond the 1 million a day health care provides spent attempting to defeat HCR. Can you help us out there?

  • Bruce D.

    It is nice to see the Republicans are doing the right thing. I hope they remain committed to their campaign promises.

    • bob wire

      Yea me too, ~ it’s good to see them working again.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Most people in this country are glad to have the Affordable Healthcare Bill in place or want it strenghthened.

    Too bad the right does not get that. I guess they want to deepen the deficit, place people with pre-existing conditions into poverty, kick young folks off their parent’s coverage, and take money from senior citizens and give it to the pharmacutical companies.

    • Raggs

      Doc… how do your breath with your head so far up the *** ?

      • bob wire

        Probably the same way you do when you’ve got your head up Beck’s or Mitch McConnell a$$ets.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Raggs,
        He’s had plenty of practice!!! Proctologist donchaknow!!!

    • Bruce D.

      All the surveys show most do not want Obamacare Doc. That is one of the main reasons the left were sent packing in the elections. It is no secret. People did not want Obamacare and protested it vehemently before it was passed. That is why Obama had to bribe Congressmen to vote for it.

      • bob wire

        “People did not want Obamacare and protested it vehemently before it was passed. That is why Obama had to bribe Congressmen to vote for it.”

        not to mention that the “health care industry” itself spent (invested) a million dollars a month for 15 month to the run up to the chamber vote offering loud resistance to HCR.

        • blv54

          and don’t forget everybody won’t be covered in this health care bill, as long as we pay our BRIBE we can get out of it, I sure won’t be taking it we can’t even afford a car anymore let alone this health care nightmare, for some of us it would be better not to work at all than work just to pay them and not even be able to afford to eat.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          bob wire,
          First you said a million a day and now you say a million a month. Which is it? Or is it BS???

          • Al Sieber

            JoeH, I agree, also I don’t like to forced to pay for it.

          • bob wire

            Thanks Joe, ~ I realized my inconsistency moment after my posting and I have spent~ oh! ~ maybe 15 minutes searching for that figure, ~ there was I time, back months ago during the fight I had and knew it as hard data. Crazy thing is, ~ I’m having a hard time finding it today.

            So I can keep looking, ~ or you can call it BS ~ and think maybe No money was spent by the Insurance Industry and Big pharmacy to defeat HCR.

            I’m thinking it was a million a day. I’ll keep looking Joe.

            It’s was the same with oil interest, and Carbon Credits. ~ Big oil and Gas Interest,~got on “that” early and in a big way ~ with attempts to hold sway of public opinion through all and every media outlets, paid bloggers, you name it. They mounted a powerful defense to place a negative spin on “Carbon Credits”

            Carbon Credits is something ~ they don’t want to even hear spoken aloud.

            It was no different with HCR, ~ I’m quite sure Tea Party “interest” enjoyed some of this money. Money spent and promises of being spent wakes people up and makes things happen Joe.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Fine, just do not Mandate me into this or any plan. Its not the Govt’s right or Job to mandate that I get any such thing. Its against my inalienable rights.

      What most people dont get is that this is being mandated (like school tax) to finance a system that cannot support itself on its own users. So it sucks/steals money from me to pay for others health issues which is Plunder, and stealing. Call it what the Communists want..its wrong.

      Govts dont belong running bussiness, OR colluding with them of being influence by LOBBYISTS!! They belong knocking down roadblocks that help bussiness operate in a free market.

    • castaway

      I do not want Obama care rammed up my butt like it is.I do not want the government involved in more programs,and would like the government trimmed by about 50%.In addition repeal all non constitutional bills now. If you like being taken care of, then move to a socialist shit hole. There are many in Europe to choose from. Take you pick, and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

      • Karolyn

        Most of those “socialist s…holes” are far from “s…holes”!

        • 45caliber

          Only if you believe their press.

          • Karolyn

            Well, as far as Germany goes, my friend’s son is career military. He spent 10 years in Germany, married a German girl, came back here last year and can’t wait to go back! He loves it there.

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            Good for him! I’ve got a friend who spent 10 years there, part of it military and part not. He’s married to a German girl and they have three kids.

            Both of them are delighted to be back here in the US even if he is having a bad time finding a good job.

          • Bruce D.

            Germany is also the exception to the rule. They are natural born workers. But they are having problems now as immigrants to Germany and also other EU countries do not share their work ethic. Germany and America both are bailing these countries out. Imagine that, Americans giving money to keep socialist countries alive in Europe.

      • bob wire

        Yea! Like let’s keep government out of our medicare!

    • Palin12

      “Affordable”? What a joke! For me, they want $500 a month for a guy in perfect health who has never spent one day of his life as an in-patient. And for those morons that compare state-mandated auto insurance with federally-mandated heath insurance here’s a big difference: I pay about $35 a month for car insurance. Compare that with $500 a month Obamacare insurance.

      • 45caliber

        But to those rich idiots in Washington what is a few dollars more or less? To them it isn’t any harder to pay $500 as it is to pay $35.

      • bob wire

        So your premiums were going down before HCR?

        I think not ! in fact they have tripled since 2000 and that being the very reason for the need for HCR. ~ Many more people besides you couldn’t afford it!

        So who were you blaming for these increases before HCR?

        The truth is , We didn’t get what we really needed with HCR, the GOP would not allow it.

        The insurance companies are the ones that raised your rates. Do you feel that they somehow needed a good reason? They are looking for reasons before HCR. They are looking for ways for you to pay more and offer you less.

        And I’m am truly sorry that you are having to pay so much, I really am. This is attacking American’s discretionary spending and milking Americans dry! and that why the reform was needed.

        I spoke to my family doctor about this issue several years ago,~ a nice man to man talk, straight up. ~ He was paying $1400.00 a month for him and his wife then. Ofcourse being a doctor and knowing what possible, what can happen, not to even mention being exposed on a daily bases to all kinds of sickness, I’m sure he bought the Cadillac Plan.

        Well at least you can buy it. ~ They won’t sell me insurance, there no group that show interest in me. And I’ve caught a cold, upper respiratory infection 2 out of the last three years and I smoke.

        So I’m a cash and carry guy. ~ The VA refers me to County and I refuse to go. I’ve only one way out if I become very ill. Rusty old 38, I’ve accepted it. Accepting your position is not always an easy thing to do. I have done this. ~ It’s nothing but a thang. Each of us must play the cards we are holding. It’s so strange how so many want to play cards they simply are not holding.

        But I do want it better for future generations, especially the young ones that have yet to live their lives as I’ve so enjoyed mine.

        You can’t really trust anyone, neither government or insurance companies. Any of you that have illusions you can ~ bless you.

    • 45caliber

      Doc:

      If it is affordable, why does it cost more?

      • eddie47d

        Okay,we’ll assume it will cost more . Give us the figures and compare them to the rates before the bill was signed into law.

    • JeffH

      Doc, there is no honest “reform” in this bill. It should be repealed and real health industry “reform” should be the word of the day, not “special interest” reform and not “special deals” reform. The government can’t run itself and yet there are way to many people that want the government to “control” their health care choices. Don’t we still live in America?
      I certainly don’t expect any “bleeding heart” liberal to get it.

  • Raggs

    I’m glad to see the Republicans effort on repeal, however the only true way to get rid of this communist mess of obamas is to rid ourselves of obama first in 2012!

    • bob wire

      and that’s truly what repeal is all about and has little to do with HCR. It’s a means to an end.

      Reform is seen as unnecessary. But why should all Americans that pay taxes subsidize the few that have great jobs and the poor that has none, while not being allowed to buy insurance for themselves?

      • Raggs

        AHHH.. the ole collective salvation trick?

        Are you trying to make me feel bad because the poor cannot afford health care? And your saying that it’s ok to mandate taxpayers to fund health care for the poor… You are saying that I need to pay an increase in cost of insurance of 60% or more… So what happens when socialism has taken from the rich to give to the poor and there are no more rich?… Socialism does not work!!!!!

        • bob wire

          I’m not says you or I “need to” ~ we already are! and have been!

          Do you question that Raggs?

        • 45caliber

          Raggs:

          One thing I can’t figure out. They say about one tenth of our population is without insurance. Well, if you consider raising our insurance costs to cover that one tenth, why does it need to go up 50%-75% more? I suspect they are planning on a lot more illegals to come here because the medical would all be free.

          • Raggs

            .45…

            1% of the increase in insurance goes to funding the poor while the remaining 69% go to funding the government employees obama hired to oversee the insurance industry.

          • 45caliber

            You are right; I had forgotten how the government spends their money.

        • eddie47d

          The laws of economic gravity says healthcare will go up.That has already been proven over the last 10 years. Where do you get those 60-75% increases? I’ve seen 1% and 2.5% increases so help us out in understanding your figures. Are you spreading fear,facts or an accurate account?

    • castaway

      That will never work, and only prolong the agony.

  • bob wire

    “Pave the way”? ~ Seems to me that’s a little on the vague side to call for any grand celebration. But when John doesn’t have a clue, that’s probably the only thing he’s left to say.

    And “yes” Insurance coverage has gone up! Pick any good reason you can conjure up and you will be correct. But the truth is ! They don’t require one.

    Insurance providers are not now or ever been “your friend”, we are a piece of meat, a captive consumer and they only wish to appeal to 30% of the potential market. Which is fine I suppose, with anti-trust immunity what more might you expect?

    I owned and 8 bay coin car wash once, back when a quarter gave you 5 minutes. I had been absorbing rising overhead for 18 months and there came a time to make a decision.

    Without having to invest more, I cut the time down from 5 to 2 1/2 for a quarter.

    Thinking ~ if I ran 50% of my business off, I’d come out ahead, saving wear & tear, chemicals, water, power and still net more.

    It wasn’t rocket surgery!

    The only question was? What would my local competitors do?

    I guess you know the answer to that by now.

    Providing health care is certainly more important then “Car appearance care” but the same economic notions of profit prevail. Now, would it be just grand if anti-trust immunity was offered to such business. I would no longer care about what me competitors were doing.

    • Raggs

      No you just want me to pay a dollar for a car wash so you can give someone without the money a free wash.

      • bob wire

        No Ragg! I love dirty cars! and I don’t give a darn who’s car it is or who owns or drives it.

        I might well be the monster but you need to understand was I enjoy feeding on before you can begin to understand me.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Sadly most people dont understand how buch “Burden” the govts’s (state-local-federal) place on all bussiness. Not feeling sorry fo anyone, but if they knew and understood this…they would understand WHY BUSSINESS’s ARE LEAVING THE USA! Not right..but when you can increase your bottom line by moving your company to a location that makes you money…lets face it..Company’s have every right to do so.

          We have OSHA, NFPA, Underwriters, EPA, DHS, and a host of other regulatory entities that chip away at a Company from the moment someone has the energy to start a bussiness! Sure..you say its to “Protect” us but what good is that protection if you dont have any job?
          I guess we can all sit around safe and sound unemployed..hungry…hoping for someone wealthy enough to pay all the regulatory compliance to start a business in the USA…

          • wayne

            Bitter Libertarian, you sounding like me now. We have got to rid ourselves of this stupid Congress. How are we going to wake up the sleeping public, and let them know what the hell is going on? It seems they won’t listen, or there too stupid. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are uninformed because they are not listening.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Wayne,
            I know that you can have a pail of water out and people wont drink until they are thirsty..you cant tell them they are thirsty until they are past time needing the fluid.

            So my answer is to look to History…I’ve read the Declaration Of Independence and what I read is a step by step process that took place before the American Revolt. Its going to get tougher, and more dangerous in this Country every month, and the danger this time comes from within, not from ANY other Nation or group on earth.

          • 45caliber

            The only real income a country’s government has is tarrifs. And with a one-world government, all tarrifs go away. The only people pushing for a one-world government are those who wouldn’t have to pay tarrifs any more and those who believe (right or wrong) that they will be the ones in charge. Our politicians all seem to believe because they are important here, they will be important and in charge if we all become one. I seriously doubt that.

          • Al Sieber

            B.Libertarian, I agree, we’re heavily over regulated, and this is more regulation and the only people who will benefit from this is Govt. employees. pretty soon the only jobs available will be Govt. jobs. since they shipped all our manufacturing jobs and factories over seas.

      • Bruce D.

        As Karolyn would say Raggs, what about the poor people who cannot afford a car wash. Should they have to go without because you do not want to pay for their car wash. Maybe Obama can borrow some more money so we can all have our car washes for free.

        • bob wire

          Well Bruce, I suppose each state might be different, ~ I only live in one state and it’s the only one I know much about.

          But to qualify for medical assistance, a family of three is required to bring in (net) $14,000. dollars or less.

          So that leaves a large hole for the working poor to fall into.

          Anyone making $15 to 24,000 are on their own.

          The poor is going to receive some kind of attention regardless. ~ Head and heart transplants might well be out of the question, but for the persistent, younger and needy, hip, knee and joint replacement is not completely out of the question.

          We are going to pay for this, one way or another along with the help of churches and other charitable concerns picking up the slack in various forms of donations to the hospitals via a particular patient and consideration of the overall surrounding circumstances of those found great need.

          This is common practice today and health care is being provided for all over America in much this way today to those found in great need.

          Their is many avenues , ~ many ledger columns ~ that all total up to provide Health Care. ~ and while we might wish to see and look on it as one “things” and provided for by “one” ways ~~ This is false, and just not the case.

          We can not openly proclaim, “We are giving health care away and the line forms here” The demand would be overwhelming for “any system” that could be devised by anyone.

          So somebody somewhere, is deciding where to intervene and help carry the burden ~ or not to.

          ~ Americans living in $75,000 dollars houses and netting 26,000 per year can not afford 6,000 per year, roughly 40% of their income on health care insurance. And they can’t pay a 125,000 hospital bill.

          ~ What some many of you seemed to be saying is ,~ SO? what’s that got to do with me?

          I’m saying is every ones problem and the original system was very broken.

          Today we no longer look upon our fellow man as a National Asset but a liability.

          If old folks have failed to provide for themselves, where by their own foolishness or their love for another or some simple luck of the draw, ~ Screw ‘em! Have I expressed your feelings correctly?

          If a young child like my 21 year old niece came down with some rare Ebola poisoning at a fast food restaurant and spent 15 weeks clinging to life by a thread while doctored from all over the nation was brought into the loop as their looked for a cure. A white blood cell count count taken on the hour, just to know where she was live or dieing. After weeks, ~ finally finding a doctor that had fought this beast and won.

          We are most grateful and indebted to all the many people, more then we can possible count and we can never in one life time ~ repay them.

          Why did they do this~this thing? Because that’s what doctors and nurses do.

          Six months later, she is well, ~ only her memories and motor skill are still a bit shaky.

          Health Care is expensive and that is first line of understanding is that it is profit oriented only makes it more so.

          Before you die you are going to spend some money on this item, seems you folks show no interest in paying forward.

          If you’ve got a better idea about how health care might be provided, fine! whip it out ! Let’s see it

          But understand, I’m helping pay today for your insurance while I can’t buy any, as carriers refuse to sell it to me. And if they did see fit to cover me and I could afford it, ~ the disclaimers would make it almost worthless.

          • Karolyn

            Great post, Bob. You nailed it! Especially with the “Screw ‘em” part. Heartless is what I call them.

            I am very fortunate in that when I lived in NJ and found out I had hepatitis C in 2001 I was able to be under a state program whereby I paid a $20 copay at one particular medical practice, where I received care from residents. My biopsy costs at the cooperating hospital were picked up by the state. I have not had health insurance since 1998, when it was paid for by my job and have not needed it. I keep myself healthy. Sickness is not an option. Also, I don’t run to the doctor for every sniffle, as so many do.

            I am also very pleased with a local nonprofit medical corporation here in SC that charges on a sliding scale for those without insurance. I can go there for $20 and get any and all tests I need, see a doctor and even a mental health counselor as long as it’s all done in one day; and that includes xrays and ultrasound. We need more outfits like it!

          • blv54

            when obamacare comes in nobody will get the kind of care your niece did as it will be deemed to expensive, what some people don’t get is this is eugenics no more first rate healthcare unless your something special.

          • bob wire

            blv54, to medical professionals, everyone is special, that’s the nature of their work. ~

            Making a crap shoot out of the providing of health care is a matter of “for profit” insurance companies.

            To make people whole is their goal, to separate one from what ills them their purpose, this has always been so from the very beginning.

            But in today’s world they are indeed hard to separate, as you yourself confuse one for the other.

            From such a perception, I question any benefits in reform it might truly offer.

          • Bruce D.

            You are hardly getting screwed or anyone else Karolyn. With all those freebies you got Karolyn you just negated everything Bob Wire said in his post.

          • bob wire

            Tell us of this “Free” care Bruce ~ I’d like to know more about your understanding of it. ~

            Do you truly know what you are talking about? We as a nation are attempting to offer a “system” that address not all, not even everyone’s needs and not truly the bulk of Americans needs if you do the math.

            At 320 million people in America today, we have “attempted to offer a system that offers to include coverage to only 40 million newly qualifying Americans. ~ still falling short 150 to 200 million people to including every American inside one system.

            So get real, ~ we are discussing a system and this system is not free and never been presented as free.

            The old system was not free either. I paid for yours and no one paid for mine for I was and am outside the system. I’m left to pay for what I can and do without what I can’t afford as I am self -employed and a older gentleman approaching the last summer of life. I have no group plan carrier that finds an interest in me. Like Joe said, you can start feeling like just meat.

            Now outside the “system” people can receive basic care free “TO THEM” but it’s cost is picked up by tax dollars. Tax dollar that both they and I pay. Now I do pay taxes but for me to get free care I must qualify that I am poor. But I am not poor so I can’t.

            Is any of this soaking in?

            If you are going to complain about having to pay and in the same breath complain that someone is getting it free, You need to decide what you are attempting to discuss. The system or the equalities of life.

            ~ If you have other means to cover yourself or just simply refuse care coverage there is little need for you to be inside the system and you would not need to pay. Now how hard is that to understand.

            But bottom line ~ if you don’t like this system being offered, construct one better that people might like and vote for ~ For now, this one is on the books and already being employed to various degrees.

            My senior parents 84 and 80 have the standard coverage of medicare and pay 840.00 a month in supplemental coverage.

            Everyone is happy as a clam to see them stumble into the doctors office. They get the full treatment, they will poke, gouge and test them to death with every test conceived. Father should have been dead 2 years ago ~ but he seems more like a slow moving suffuling

          • bob wire

            Tell us of this “Free” care Bruce ~ I’d like to know more about your understanding of it. ~

            Do you truly know what you are talking about? We as a nation are attempting to offer a “system” that address not all, not even everyone’s needs and not truly the bulk of Americans needs if you do the math.

            At 320 million people in America today, we have “attempted to offer a system that offers to include coverage to only 40 million newly qualifying Americans. ~ still falling short 150 to 200 million people to including every American inside one system.

            So get real, ~ we are discussing a system and this system is not free and never been presented as free.

            The old system was not free either. I paid for yours and no one paid for mine for I was and am outside the system. I’m left to pay for what I can and do without what I can’t afford as I am self -employed and a older gentleman approaching the last summer of life. I have no group plan carrier that finds an interest in me. Like Joe said, you can start feeling like just meat.

            Now outside the “system” people can receive basic care free “TO THEM” but it’s cost is picked up by tax dollars. Tax dollar that both they and I pay. Now I do pay taxes but for me to get free care I must qualify that I am poor. But I am not poor so I can’t.

            Is any of this soaking in?

            If you are going to complain about having to pay and in the same breath complain that someone is getting it free, You need to decide what you are attempting to discuss. The system or the equalities of life.

            ~ If you have other means to cover yourself or just simply refuse care coverage there is little need for you to be inside the system and you would not need to pay. Now how hard is that to understand.

            But bottom line ~ if you don’t like this system being offered, construct one better that people might like and vote for ~ For now, this one is on the books and already being employed to various degrees.

            My senior parents 84 and 80 have the standard coverage of medicare and then they pay 840.00 a month in supplemental coverage.

            Everyone is happy as a clam to see them stumble into the doctors office. They get the full treatment, they will poke, gouge and test them to death with every test conceived. Father should have been dead 2 years ago ~ but he seems more like a slow shuffling energizer bunny. So the money and quality care does work.

            I’m not privileged to the same offers, even if I could afford them and there is many millions of American such as I.

          • Bruce D.

            Why do you not just read Karolyn’s post Bob and follow what she is doing. Okay $20 is not free but close to it. Karolyn like all liberals know how to work the system. All illegals get their health care free along with anyone else who goes to the emergency room that have no way to pay. Also their are other government programs that others talk about such as Medicaid maybe. That being said the Republicans need to come up with an affordable alternative for the rest of us.

          • bob wire

            “Bruce D. says:
            January 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm

            Why do you not just read Karolyn’s post Bob and follow what she is doing. Okay $20 is not free but close to it. Karolyn like all liberals know how to work the system”

            Bruce, just exactly how much life experience do you have? You think 20 dollars is free? ~ $20.00 spent inside a “system” makes the system work. ~ I assure you, GOP members know how to work systems Bruce, liberals don’t have the market cornered.

            Every property owner that pays taxes, ~pays into such “systems” Bruce, where they use them or not. It’s your government at work with things people like yourself don’t feel important because it’s always been there for you and you take it for granted. You’ve never done without it presence. I’m not permitted to do everything I wish, I might enjoy pissing in your well, but I’m told no, you can’t do Bruce that way.

            I think maybe I’m attempting to talk to a tree or a defiant child!

            So you have a problem with “organized systems” ~ you think you can carry all the money you will ever need in your hip pocket?

            What are you Bruce, some kind of Jeremiah Johnson, hermit mountain man, wild and woolly and full of fleas , never been curried below the knees?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      bob wire,
      If you think you are anything more than a piece of meat to the government, I want some of what ever you are smoking!!!

      • bob wire

        I gave up smoking Joe when I discovered that if by chance it might briefly improved your perception and intelligence it robbed you of both memory and your pecker. You would quickly forget all your clever ideas that you flattered yourself with so by the time the buzz lifted and the woman long gone. ~ But I will admit, the stuff sure makes you think that your are very clever person. a drug induced euphoria they call it I believe ~ Insufferable company is a understatement, unless you get stupid too!

        And I am much more then just meat to my government Joe, ~ I am a tax payer and voting meat and I vote with my dollars. My cooperation and money is sought after and desired.

        Now you might feel as if you are just meat. It’s not a completely uncommon feeling to have at times I suppose. Defeating thoughts seem to bring it on, ineffective thought processes.

        I’m left to believe you might feel more likely to be seen as just meat to an Insurance Company or some employers Joe.

        Did you know that some large employers take out “TERM Life ” policies on unbeknown employees? Mostly women but sometimes men, the rate of return is much higher on women they say. They are referred to as “Palpor Policies” These employer’s plan to capitalize on their employees death!

        So Now! how does that idea of being “just a piece of meat” sound to ya?

        It’s really not to difficult to allow yourself be seen as a piece of meat today or yesterday.

  • Peter

    The day these SOBs and the SOCIAL Communist noobama let me pick their families healthcare is the day I will allow some burecarat with no medical experience make any life or death decisions about my family.

    And one other thing these RINOs need to review history and make sure that they understand that it is the majority of people who make up rules not some snot nose punk from keyan.

    • Stone

      We already have people without medical experience say what they will approve and what they wont, they’re called insurance providers. My dr. gives me a script, the drugist wont fill it because the insurance provider needs preapproval by my PCP. Well he wouldn’t have given me the script if he didn’t approve it.

      Insuranc ecompanies are the ones that are making decisions for us and that are the death panels. We have no say.

  • marvin

    biggest scam on the tax paying pubic is the 20 milliion illegals we have here for ever brith right baby born it cost 12,000 dollars just for the hospital not the dr bill or or to send them to school or food and housing ,with over 1 million babies born to illegals ever year ,just to be born cost tax paxer 12 million a year, lifetime in in the billions,the hispanic are the fastest growing have more babies then any others black white yellow red and cost the goverment [us] the most in tax dollars,and the cost is breaking us,we can no longer turn a blind eye to illegal immigration or to the over 1 million the goverment allow to come here legally do we really need more gas stations and motel owners,

    • 45caliber

      I agree. Let’s quit babying them and send them back home. And at the same time, let’s seal that border.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Boy, Doc Sarvis,
    I don`t know if your joking or just a plain smart ass.I know since Obamacare was forced upon us, my health insurance has gone up 200.00
    a month.(576.00 to 778.00 a month.Wasn`t it suppose to come down under Obamacare? I do agree, helthcare needs reformed.It can be done in a much cheaper and better way.You better pay attention to Obama and not what he says,but what he stands for.You better check out who he has surounded himself with.Just a few names, Van Jones, Vallerie Jarret, Andy Stern, Bill Ayers, Jeff Jones,Cass Sestein, Saul Alinsky, Anita Dunn, and of course the big money man who is behind
    every left wing group in Washington who are trying to steal our freedom,the one and only, George Soros.Don`t believe me, if you have the guts, you can go find out for yourself who these people are and what they stand for.I can give you a lot more names,however, this should be enough to get you started.

    • wayne

      You won’t get anywhere conversing with this man, Charles. He just does not get it for some reason. Thank God this type is in the minority

    • Karolyn

      I have heard reports of insurance hiking rates prior to the healthcare las going into effect and those hikes having nothing to do with the law. Maybe the insurance companies are getting in their last licks?

      • Bruce D.

        Might those reports be from socialist Rachael Maddox or whatever her name is?

        • Karolyn

          No, it was reports from posters on previous topics.

          • JeffH

            …wow, now that’s some serious stuff to trust in…

          • http://deleted Claire

            My husband’s and my own supplement has steadily increased twice every year since he has retired. Now we are paying $800 every 2 months. All insurance has increased over time. It will continue to increase because insurance companies know most people will pay for it. With the health issues my husband has, there is no way we can do without a supplement. A person never knows if a serious health issue will pop up. Every time he has gone into the hospital it is $30,000 to $ 40,000, once it was $69,000.00. He had to go into the hospital this past October, for 2 days–the bill was $ 29,000.00. So who is getting richer? The insurance companies, the hospitals, the doctors, the pharmaceutical companies? And then again, what can a person do? They want to live. If the average married couple has not saved roughly $350,000.00 or more apiece for their old age, they are up a creek. If they end up in a nursing home, the cost is $ 3000.00 or more a month. When the money runs out, they go on public aid. And there have been a lot of nursing homes here in Illinois that have gotten in trouble for bad care. Another thing, if you have any material items, cars, home, etc, be sure to sign it over to your kids in plenty of time, because the nursing home will take everything you have when your money runs out.

          • Karolyn

            Now, Jeff, why would they just arbitrarily post that their premiums had gone up if they hadn’t?

    • bob wire

      “Part of the reason the cost is so high is because we ended up paying for the votes to pass it. Let me tell you, I am glad I paid for insurance. I had heart surgery and did not have to pay a dime. I had a high premium but in the end, it turned out to be more like a savings account. ”

      I do not doubt that a bit! Charles.

      And before what you call “Obama Care” ~are you trying to tell us your cost was going down?

      I’m sorry , I just not buying that. Insurance rates have been on a steady incline since the late 50′s. And since 2000 they have almost tripled. ~ Before Obama , who was you blaming? ~ I think it might be a good idea to hold that thought. ~

      It was this very shape increase in health care that demanded the reform and it was fought on many fronts. ~

      If this reform is not working for most voters as you seem to suggest, ~ correcting it would be the thing to do. For it wasn’t the reform many of us wanted either, but what we had to settle for.

      But bear in mind,~ this reform was offered early while the president held some political equity to go against and overcome lobbies and special interest. ~ It was a deliberate act. ~ and today focus is low employment, which ~ with all rights is very late in coming.

      So the GOP is going to be out of step once again with both the administration and the needs of the people.

      Maybe the Tea Play sorts can hang on another two years and not focus on creating an environment conducive to job growth but I don’t think so.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob wire,
        I find it hilarious how you say it was the republicans that were out of step when 80% of the pros say that when we needed to focus on jobs obama focused on healthcare and when we need to focus on the economy and the border, nobama is now in campaign mode once again. I notice lately you have a very selective memory!! you say the repubs wouldn’t actively deal when it was nobama that locked THEM out. You say we need this plan we have but the repubs aren’t playing fair when the politicians AND the unions are exempt. If it is indeed so good then why the exemptions? Before nobama care passed you guys were again saying the repubs were not comming up with any plans and wouldn’t work with the dems yet I gave you guys three house bills for healthcare reform and one of them was a DEM/REPUB plan co-sponsored by Mary Kaptur D and Steven Latourette R of Ohio!! You progressives are all full of hot air and something else I won’t name, but it rhymes with sit!!

        • bob wire

          “Joe H. says:
          January 24, 2011 at 8:13 pm

          bob wire,
          I find it hilarious how you say it was the republicans that were out of step when 80% of the pros say that when we needed to focus on jobs obama focused on healthcare and when we need to focus on the economy ”

          Well thanks Joe , I glad you enjoyed the laugh and I thank you for opening the door and permitting me to show the folly in your thinking process and how it is flawed.

          First; I agree with you at first glance, Jobs should have been address. But not really ! The lost of American’s discretionary spending was address first. This is a big hole in every Americans bucket where their money is lost. It matters less how much one makes but more how much one can hold on to and control.

          As many have mentioned, heath care cost was kicking our collective butts since 2000, and showed no signs of letting up!

          “O” focused on HCR while he possessed the political clout to get the job done, knowing his popularity would wane with the fight, knowing special interest would mount a major resistance to it. So “O” had to do it first! And he did! ~ we didn’t get what we really needed to get the job right, the GOP and special interest were just too strong and unified. ~ Luck You! Ugh? We compromised.

          so now,today ~ the administration moves on to the American work place and instituting programs that will create climates for job growth, while the GOP is still stuck in the mud with health care reform and the American people demand job growth.

          Are you still laughing Joe? It went down like it had to go down Joe.

          If the fight with special interest wasn’t so hard fought, we’d be much father ahead today. But it couldn’t be avoided. They saying it not over, we are saying, yes it is.

          Now you are left to blame HCR for the most recent increase if you wish, but what was the reason for rates to triple since 2000 without any threat of reform? Can you laugh at me and explain that?

          And yes Joe, there has been a major disconnect between the GOP and the American people for many years now. They bow, scrape and pander to special interest. And today,~ in spite of Tea Party efforts, I think they are still so engaged in Party issues they ignore the American people best interest for their own aspirations and the special interest that support them.

      • eddie47d

        You are correct Bob Wire. Healthcare costs has tripled since late 2000. Some can’t wrap their minds around what our private healthcare companies have done to us with these exploding costs. That issue has little to do with government and even less to do with Obama. The opposition didn’t do a thing about those rising costs and now want to dump these new small increases in Obama’s lap. Go check Steve Forbes web and he will debunk everything on this issue and on the Affordable Healthcare Plans side.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    People,
    You all make great points.Keep spreading the word, and just maybe,
    we will clean the rest of the people out of Washington who are trying to destroy our great country . We do have a fight on our hands
    the next 2 years.I think most of you know there is no longer a Democrat party, it is now the new Progressive party. If you don`t
    believe me, just ask Hillary Clinton.You people still with your head
    stuck in the sand, please find out what Obama and friends really
    stand for.( MAY GOD HELP US )

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Please people, I do believe in helping the poor and sick. I don`t believe in a healthy 26 year old hanging around home living of his parents.You either go to school or get out and fend for your self. These kids parents aren`t going to be around forever,then who is going
    to take care of them.Oh! I forgot, Obama will.

    • Bruce D.

      Socialists believe it is not right to have to work when their are others around who volunteer to work and pay their bills for them.

    • 45caliber

      Charles:

      I agree. I know one family in our church where the kids still live with the parents even after getting married. The mother wants to do everything for them and doesn’t even allow the daughter-in-law to help wash dishes or anything else. When she goes down, what will become of her kids then? She refuses to even consider that.

      • Al Sieber

        What would happen “45″ is the kids would probably starve to death, or commit suicide. I know people like that, I have a friend like that, that can’t dig a hole with a shovel, doesn’t know how, or where to put his foot.

  • http://grouchesx4@frontier.com Jack m. ware

    I’m a three war Navy retired Master Chief 28 years 1941 to 1969.
    I believe the democrats hate the military,they are afriad of us.They will do anything to try to destroy us,like shoving homo sexuals down
    our throats.
    I also believe the democrats would sell their mothers into prostitution and thier children into slavsry for a vote.they would do
    any thing,pass any legistratine(constitutional or not)for a vote
    I believe obama is a closet muslim who will destroy my country if we don’t stop him

    • Bruce D.

      Yes the democrats are closet military haters and others have come out of the closet. Democrats are also becoming open Christen haters along with those who are more covert about it as say Karolyn.

      • Karolyn

        That’s a ridiculous assumption. I hate no one, never have, never will. We are all God’s children.

        • 45caliber

          If you are willing to cut back on someone else’s freedom, then you are in line anyway.

          • bob wire

            and what freedoms might you refer to 45?

          • 45caliber

            Any of them. All of them.

          • bob wire

            well I know of no freedom that’s been taken from you, I know of no freedom that’s been taken from me. ~I admit that ;

            I can’t drive around with a pickup truck load of children like a load of watermelons in the back anymore.

            I can’t drive around without insurance anymore.

            I suppose I could still mount a rifle rack in my truck like we use too but I don’t think it’s such a good idea. Someone might steal it.

            I don’t feel comfortable jumping fences and crossing peoples property to chase down a wounded Buck anymore, like we use to. Can’t shot from the road like we use to.

            Don’t feel comfortable offering correction to a unattended misbehaving child anymore.

            Don’t feel comfortable in giving a hug to a strangers child anymore.

            Can’t carry a gentleman’s folding knife into a courthouse or aboard a plane anymore.

            So tell me what freedoms do you miss that I don’t share?

            And democrats are not fearful of the military , that is plain down right horse manure. ~ The military was 10% of JFK budget and I’m being told today is stands at 6%. That is what they say anyway. ` So say such foolish things all you want to but it just won’t make them so.

            Where in the hell do you get such a notion? Because many of us thought invading Iraq was foolish? Because many of us would like to see across the board cuts in spending? Including the military.

            I think the military has their toy box stuffed full “for now” ~ I don’t want to see cuts in pay ~ but a feathering back on the toys. “FOR A WHILE” anyway. ~ I know this will cause problems, but tell me when will it not? ~

            When the English defunded their pirates, the pirates elected to strike out on their own as free agents. Much the same might well occur by arms manufactures, they will be left to sell to whoever is buying. Have you thought much about how we might put that mad genie back into the bottle? He only gets bigger and stronger the more we feed him. The military complex and it’s support is quit a monster we’ve made. How do you give such a large child a “Time Out”?

            Do you want America to be seen and known as a Waring nation? Like Germany of 39? ~ deserving of all things bold and daring enough to peruse regardless to whom they might belong. Only to find at the height of their conquest, they over extended their reach as they felt deserving and unstoppable.

            Few warriors hold a wide view of such things ~ Allied Supreme Commanded material is a rare man to behold and we are damn fortunate to have them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob wire
            Where does he get it?? Try from Bubba Clinton!! He stripped the military to bare bones, the military hospitals were a disgrace, the units were below TO&E levels and failing inspections!! I don’t know dude WHERE DID HE GET THAT?????

        • Bruce D.

          It may not be hate Karolyn but you cannot deny you show disdain in your posts for those who live in the South and Christians. You have taken that direction in many of your posts.

          • bob wire

            You are out of line and off base Bruce. She offers none of these things that you accuse her of.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      hey master Chief, I’m retired as well..Let me ask you something shipmate…(assuming you watch sports) if Football had 2 teams, how long would you keep watching it? How genuine would it really be?

      This nation was founded and survived and flourished in the first Hunderd years with more then 2 political parties for damn good reasons. People cant simply all fit into 2 sizes, 2 belief syatems, 2 whatever..if anything, history shows us that Variety is the spice of Life.
      Worse yet is a 2 party system that feeds off each other failures and successes…so when one team pisses you off naturally you RUN to the other and the people behind thre politicians KNOW that and its a setup no matter how you vote! Your always running to the other side for a fix to what the other guy did!!

    • 45caliber

      Jack:

      It isn’t so much hate for military as it is fear. Since the military is now volunter, they believe that the only people who would join are prospective murderers who want to kill someone and get away with it. Therefore they suspect all vets as being murderers – either real or prospective. They simply can’t imagine anyone willing to fight or give his life for his country. Many believe that even slavery is better than being killed fighting for your country.

      They have this wonderful idea of what the world should be like. But it can’t be that way as long as there are people who will stand up for their rights or won’t back down in any argument. And vets generally won’t give up their rights for “a better world”.

    • Stone

      Master Chief, I know many democrats that serve and have served in the military. To make a broad statement like that shows your ignorance. Homosexuals have been in the military since there was a military. The younger troops serving today could care less if someone is gay. I served for 20 years and heard the homophobic comments from some of the old farts and ignorant. (i wouldn’t want some gay showering next to me and looking at me) Well i have news for men like that, First: they are more than likely not worth looking at to begin with. Second: from what i know gays are very picky. Third: Those who protest the loudest have issues themselves. According to research The Navy and Marines have the largest number of gays serving.

      • 45caliber

        Stone:

        This blog isn’t about gay rights – it is about Oblamacare. Please stick to the subject.

        • stone

          45, I know what the blog is about. Master Chief brought up the topic of gays and that is why I responded.

    • Al Sieber

      Jack m., most politicians will sell their souls for a dime.

  • Joe

    keep voting republican…they will hand you MORE ‘symbolic victories’. Rest assured that if they win back the Presidency and Senate in 2012, a true ‘repeal of Obamacare’ will remain off the house and senate floor.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Has for healthcare costing more.Obama is doing nothing but forceing
    us into single pay healthcare.Everybody will be under goverment control. You think Obama is a Socialst,think again, more like a MARXIST.

    • JC

      Think again…more like Globalist Meat Puppet.

      • Joe

        absolutely correct

  • http://comcast Mary A.

    Why do we need his healthcare bill when anyone that goes to the emergency room cannot be turned away. We have people on welfare that get their checks and food stamps every month and can go to the casino’s or buy cigarettes and alcohol. If they want more money, they have more babies, and many of these kids are left home to raise themselves. Why doesn’t the government make them do some community service in order to get their checks. And it should be made clear that if they get pregnant while on welfare, their checks will not go up. That would leave quite a bit of money to pay off some of the dept.
    Then all of congress and the senate should have their pay cut in half because they certainly don’t work any harder than the military. And they should have the same insurance and benifits as the military. And those that have retired should have 401k’s like the rest of the people. And maybe the president should get rid of all his Czars. He wouldn’t need them if he’d spend more time working and less time playing golf, basketball, or traveling around the world putting down the U.S.A. He has no clue how to run a government so he gets his advice from all his corrupt friends and unions, rather than the Constitution.

    • 45caliber

      Mary:

      I agree. Further, I’d like to see them require a clean drug test before picking up their check each month. It would seriously cut into their drug use! And instead of not paying them more for extra kids, I’d like to see them pay $5 or $10 a month more NOT to have any. Instead of getting more money, they should lose money if they have one.

      • bob wire

        “Why do we need his healthcare bill when anyone that goes to the emergency room cannot be turned away. ”

        Mary , you answered your own question. That you fail to somehow see or recognize it, ~is then again a problem unto it’s self.

        Emergency Room care is both very expensive and depending on the particular care giver, and the treatment required not always the best care.

        For knife holes and bullet wounds, or arms and legs torn off, heart attacks, passing stones maybe so, but disease and infection, not so much so.

        It’s hard to be everything to everyone , 24/7 ~ and that exactly what the ER has became ~ a frigging catch all and it kicking our collective butts.

        But if you don’t see or understand that, I waste my time talking about it.

        It’s amazing how simple something can be when you are clueless.

    • Stone

      Mary,

      Everytime the uninsured go to the ER it costs you and me. We pay for the uninsured ER visits in higher permiums. The only one’s getting free HC are the welfare freeloaders and our politicians at our expense.

      • Karolyn

        The only “welfare freeloaders” who get free healthcare are the children for the most part. Would you have those kids suffer for the sins of their parents? FYI – It’s not so easy to get Medicaid. I had no job and no appreciable income for a couple of years and couldn’t get it. And, believe me, I am a born hustler selling everything from crafts to antiques and collectibles and whatever else I could get my hands on. However, I was only able to hustle maybe $4000 per year.

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:
          Evidently, you aren’t of the right race.

    • barbm

      they have more children for 2 reasons. they get more money and food stamps among other better benefits plus, if they have a child under the age of 5, they don’t have to go to school or work as required by the worthless welfare reform from a few years ago.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Hey JOE, what are you smoking? Save me some,then I can be like you and not have to worry about our country.The thing I worry
    about, how in the heck are we going to afford that good old smoke your smoking after the country goes bankrupt.Please somebody tell me.

    • Joe

      The only thing I’m high on is the truth, you should try a hit or two of it now and then. It’s like a breath of fresh air in this stagnant arena of lies.
      Republicans and Democrats are both slime. Democrats promise a globalist, liberal, semi-communist agenda and deliver.
      Republicans promise an American, conservative, Constitutional agenda and fail to deliver. The left-right paradigm is simply sleight of hand to convince the American people that they have a voice in government, when really our elected officials sold us out long ago to the global elite.

      • JC

        Well said Joe. The only thing I would add is that no matter what side is making the promises, both are very bust playing the Corporate field. Which the real reason most of them are there, red and blue, to get their face into the gravy bowl. Two Faced Economic Fascism.
        And this will continue as long as there is the Fed and it’s collection agency.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    ( Mary, Could`t Have Said It Better) Go Girl, you get it.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    LOVE YOU ALL

  • 45caliber

    This is more of a gesture than any real act. They know that they can’t get it passed without a veto they can’t override. What they really need to do is cut all spending for it.

    There is so much wrong with this bill that it is actually hard to find anything good about it. Apparently the Dems put all sorts of things into it that they wanted for other reasons that has nothing to do with health but a lot to do with taking away your freedoms.

    It is supposedly modeled after the English version. I scan at least one English newspaper a day – and almost always find someone talking about problems with their system. If you actually do think this is a good program, you should do the same.

    • Joe

      it’s worse than ‘just a gesture’, it is in fact a SUBSTITUTE for real action. as I stated above, the Republican party has NO INTENTION of actually repealing Obamacare. They do it now while it means nothing, but will they try it again in 2012 when the have the Senate majority and the Presidency? No, they will not. Republican candidates want your votes, but they do not truly support a different agenda than Democrats. hence the term RINO–Republican In Name Only.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Joe, your wrong, there is a new group of Republicans in town called
    the Young Guns and they will take no crap from the Progressive`s nor will they take any crap from people from their own party. They will bend to the will of the people or they won`t be there very long. They
    are young and they are smart.They also know what Obama stands for.They know, if we as a nation are going to survive,Obama and his
    goons must go in 2012. This is not so much the Republican`s talking,
    this is America talking.

    • Joe

      the ‘young guns’ will tow the party line as ordered or face political (or literal) assassination. Rubio, elected soley through the efforts of the Tea Party movement, has already declined to join a council of Tea Party politicians. Why is he so quick to distance himself from the constituents who elected him? Because the ‘lifers’ (Boehner, McCain, etc) hold much more power than the newcomers. The newcomers will be welcome to stay, because they give America the illusion of choice. What they are NOT welcome to do is change anything in the game we call politics.
      Unless you see calls trumpeted to audit/abolish the Federal Reserve and/or abolish Free Trade agreements with other nations, the ‘young guns’ are just more of the same.

  • http://comcast Mary A.

    I’m not talking about people that really need M.A. I’m talking about the people that move in with 7 kids and have another every 2 -3 years,until they have 10 or 11 kids. And they are at the emergency room for every little ache or pain they can think of. We had these families as renters because we use to take Section 8. And after the police called because of drug raids on one and a fight with knives at the other, we quit taking them. We replaced more stoves, refrigerators, windows, carpets and doors in those units than in all our other units together. Those are the ones that were looking for the “Obama Money” when he was first elected. If the medical assistance went to those who really needed it, we wouldn’t be in the shape we are in. There are also the ones coming from other countries that are on M.A. and drive all these new cars, and want you to make up 2 leases so they can have their relatives move in with them and pay the extra in cash. The M.A. system is out of control, and the peop;e that really need it are the ones getting screwed.

  • Raggs

    Is it not strange that the single most cost to the US is illegal immigration and obama does not a damm thing?
    Instead he thinks that I will work everyday to help pay for his ignorance..

    Our cost of medical care will drastically go down as soon as we see that we cannot afford to pay for everyone on the planet insured or not..
    The democrats are freaking stupid idiots and I could not care less how many demos read this!

    We have a fairytail ( some call president ) but in reality he is nothing but a disgrace.

    • bob wire

      Well Raggs, ~ it is frustrating! But deportation numbers are up much higher today then during “W’s” tenure.

      and there is more federal troops on the Mexican border then anytime in history.

      So to say nothing has or is being done, just plain Ain’T so.

      But I agree completely , more needs to be done to stem this tide.

      There a real war going on in Mexico today, ~ I’m surprised in how little news coverage it’s getting on this side of the border.

      I have family on the inside there. ~ In 2007 we and many others in the city partied until 4 am in the Canteenias and thought little of it.

      Today, after 6.30 pm. the city is a ghost town, everyone goes home and locks themselves in. Good people won’t be caught out outdoors.

      The Federalizes are stacking cartel members up like cord wood. Midday running gun battles are becoming less common as their numbers become fewer and fewer.

      It’s a bloodbath taking place and that why you are seeing this influx. And yes, drugs and drug runners are in the mix.

      It’s like spraying for roaches and the roaches go next door to the neighbors that haven’t treated recently.

      Mexico and the US are both attempting to keep a lid on it and playing it down. It makes for bad press, bad relations and prolonging an already worsening economy.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob wire,
        another bald face lie!!! Percentage wise, when compared to the number now coming in, there is actually LESS enforcement!! When you talk, say 200,000 deported of fifteen million and 250,000 deported of thirty million, there is actually less gone percentage wise!!

        • bob wire

          No Joe, you have been misinformed. Don’t play with the numbers Joe.

          Why not ask the people that live on the border, there is more federal presence there then anytime prior, since “O’s” administration. The Fed is making a strong presence on both sides of the river.

          I know you’d like to believe the lies you have been told, but is just simple not true as it seems to serve you and your views.

          But still only a fallacy on the part of people who “wish” to believe they are somehow a victim of a flawed UnAmerican Administration.

          It’s No more then that, no less then that.

  • chuckb

    charles, i hope what you are saying is true. the republican party has gone down hill, there doesn’t seem to be anybody that we can really get behind, sarah palin is the only one out there that has any guts and even the republicans are trying to kill her off. i doubt very much if these guys will even cut off the funding for barrycare, when push comes to shove they will do the republican thing and run.

    • Bruce D.

      I disagree with that. There are a lot of good people in the Republicans Party such as Paul Pyan, Jim Demint, Michalelle Bachman, Rand and Ron Paul, Mark Rubio, and the list goes on and on. Give them a chance before you criticize. If you do not back those who are trying to help you will have sure failure.

      • bob wire

        I can and will agree with you on that Bruce, ~ I’m looking for good things to come from these individuals.

        I just hope they don’t fail prey to the system they must contend and work with.

        • Bruce D.

          Thanks Bob for the support. I feel it is important to back people that you can find common ground with. If someone does not they become part of the problem. Yes, we are all concerned about the pitfalls of being in Washington and falling prey to the system. I hope for the best and expect it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bruce D.
        Please don’t forget to mention Duncan Hunter in that list! He believes in a secured border, Reduced spending, and a strong military!!

        • Bruce D.

          Thanks for the additional name Jo H. I believe I left off a lot of names like Issa and others.

      • Karolyn

        I have a bit of a problem with DeMint. He never answers his constituents’ emails. I see that as a dismissal and don’t take kindly to being treated that way by my elected official. Lindsey Graham not only emails but also sends personal letters.

    • who cares

      Chuckb, Sarah has only a 27% approvable rate. She’s a damb ass.

  • JeffH

    Claire, this just in…

    CHICAGO — An Illinois Appeals Court has ruled that Rahm Emanuel’s name can’t appear on the ballot for Chicago mayor because he didn’t live in the city in the year before the election.

    The judges voted 2-1 on Monday to overturn a lower court ruling to keep Emanuel’s name on the Feb. 22 ballot.

    • http://deleted Claire

      JeffH– I know!! WE are thrilled, but old Rahm is going to appeal. Maybe there is some justice in the world after all! I sure hope so!

      • JeffH

        Let’s hope there is a glimmer of light starting to shine through.

        • http://deleted Claire

          JeffH–I am so glad I do not live in Chicago!

          • smilee

            The Supreme Court stayed its enforcement until it rules on the case the Ballots cannot yet be printed!! He could still be on the Ballot!

          • http://deleted Claire

            smilee–I heard that today. His name will stay on the ballot until a decision is made.

  • John

    Kill everything loaded in the obamacare bill. Like all his mandates antiamerican,antifreedom, and antibusiness.We must kill and trash all the hidden mandates of U.N. leader Obama with China and international bankers .Five family groups of bankers.We need a Gop president to undo all the trash Obama and democrates.Undo communist follower here in America for over 70 years.Fbi should around up Iran spys and china spys. No more muslims.

    • bob wire

      Well offer us someone worth voting for this time and not attempt to pull-off some tired old dog and pony show while claiming “Country First” like perhaps it hadn’t been in the minds of Americans that have given their sons and daughters to lost causes for aluminum tubes, to see their life saving lost to Wall Street Bankers and the likes of Bernie Madoff or Enron Executives living large along with their many friends and GOP supporters.

    • Charley41

      Never happen ..America has there head in the sand..

  • Antonio

    Is anybody aware of the fact that in the “healthcare bill” it raises the sells tax on your property to 3.8%?? What exactly does this have to do with healthcare?

    • Charley41

      Yes Antonio..and would some one tell me why The Repubs are not throwing that 3.8% tax back in the libs face. What are they waiting for? What does this kind of Thing have to do with Health?

  • newspooner

    I read that 3 Democrats voted to repeal Obamacare. If that is true, we should all write them letters of thanks. We should flood them with a record number of letters to send a message to the socialists who voted against repealing Obamacare.

  • wayne

    The only thing I can conclude after reading some of the post on here by the Liberals, who support Obummer, is the fact that their skulls are so thick you can’t get them to understand anything. The ones supporting Nobamma are going to benefit in Nobomma being president in one way, or another, at the expense of the majority of the Conservatives. We can’t stand for that to happen.

    • wayne

      You see, after reading all those Liberals post, I get confused. Now I don’t know whether it is Obummer, or Nobomma. Anyway, you get the point.

      • smilee

        You sure you have not always been confused?? It appears that way to me!!

        • wayne

          Now be nice, Smilee. You must be a Liberal, or a Socialist. They like to talk down to people.

    • bob wire

      “wayne says:
      January 25, 2011 at 1:47 pm

      The only thing I can conclude after reading some of the post on here by the Liberals”

      Hmm? perhaps it’s your anal retention that clouded the mind and makes your eyes brown. If you have something worth adding to the thread post besides school yard nanny nanny poo poo drivel, please feel free to do so.

      • wayne

        Bob, you idiotic approach to things does not deserve a decent response. You are a Liberal that hates this country. You, and Nobama are from the same poisonious tree. You both hate American. Maybe we should ship you both to Kenya.

  • American Patriot

    Maybe if our Government would stop with the spraying of the chemtrails we would not get sick. Look up in the sky. See the long streaks in the sky? yep! Those are the chemtrails. look it up on the net. Do your research. then, while your at it. Look up HAARP. And, no that is not a new Government run health care. wake up America. Hello, Anyone out there? Knock Knock, hello?

    • bob wire

      It’s called convection, moisture is attracted to heat and condenses from a vapor to droplet of liquid that can be seen. It’s discharge heat of the fuel burning engines meeting the chilled air borne water vapor.

      Have you ever seen this vapor cloud surround an aircraft as it breaks the sound barrier? You can actually see the wall outlined in the vapor. It’s very impressive.

      I understand your concerns though, ~ and they are not completely without merit. Stay watchful my friend.

    • bob wire

      and you are right , I live under DFW airport and have to breath a lot of burnt JP4. ~ Air quality really is taking a beating here. Upper respiratory illness is rampant. We can hardly breath around here anymore.

      That’s why I love Mexico and the sea! Sea air is good stuff! It gets into your blood and people start calling you old salt.

      It seem to be a trade off, lung cancer or melanoma .

  • Robert Simmons

    Did you know that over one hundred thousand people a year are murdered by incompetent and or corrupt prejudiced members of the so called medical profession because of screw ups such as giving patients the wrong blood or medicine for example ! How can any significant legislation involving health care reform not include provisions to solve this problem , I don’t beleive it even got mentioned. Did you know if a nurse loses her license for gross incompetence in one state all she has to do is get a license in another state and she can go right back to getting paid to harm those whom she is prejudiced against.

  • Robert Simmons

    All ways remember that most conflicts throughout the world which erupted into armed agression was a liberal versus conservative conflict, even the muslim and catholic nations experience this dilema.
    Obama like bush is but a scapegoat paid to take the blame and criticism for implementing the changes that big business wants.Only now we have non business entities using their money to curry favorable change for their religious beliefs or sexual preferences .In order to find the true culprits you must follow the money trail back to them , It is the major stockholders of a company not the CEO that determine the path the company follows. Who has stock in Obama well the muslims invested $200,000,000 in the 2008 democratic campaign and you saw what Obamas first attempted official act was ( an attempt to release the muslim terrorist from Gitmo). Obama care as it is called has included a clause that states Insurance companies must cover everyone thus insuring that Homosexuals who catch AIDS will still be covered at your expense. We must always follow the money

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