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GOP Blocking Obama's San Francisco Judicial Nominee

January 5, 2010 by  

GOP blocking Obama's San Francisco judicial nomineeSenate Republicans have sent the nomination of U.S. Magistrate Edward Chen for the position of federal judge in San Francisco back to the White House for a review.

The Senate Judiciary Committee approved Chen, 52, in a vote along party lines 12-7 in October, but the GOP has attacked him for his previous work as an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). In that position, he led an unsuccessful challenge to Proposition 209, the 1996 California initiative that banned government affirmative action programs based on race or gender, according to San Francisco Chronicle.

Chen also criticized the Bush administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina and is known for his pro-choice views.

Conservative commentators such as columnist Warner Todd Huston have warned that Chen would be an activist judge, saying "[he is] one of those sorts of judicial activists that uses the law to spread his own particular philosophy of social justice," quoted by LifeNews.com.

Chen’s is not the only nomination that has run into trouble. Dawn Johnsen, an Indiana University professor who was tapped by Obama to become his top legal adviser, has also seen her candidacy stall in the Senate. According to the Indianapolis Star, Johnsen was a critic of the Department of Justice anti-terrorism policies during the Bush administration and was once the legal director of NARAL Pro-Choice America.
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  • jim castleman

    Somebody better start doing some questioning while we still have a country!!

  • Huapakechi

    Putting an aclu lawyer on the bench is like having an arsonist in the fire department.

    • denniso

      If we didn’t have the ACLU you might be really enslaved. They fight for the constitutional rights of citizens when threatened by the various levels of gov’t and corporations and religions. In a quasi democracy, the danger is that the majority will dominate any minority view…the ACLU exists because the power structure(political and religious) in our country has had a tendency to do just that. Read up on the ‘McCarthy era’ of the 50′s for an example. People had their careers and families ruined and committed suicide,based on rumour and innuendo and an irrational fear of communism. The ACLU exists to protect YOU against occasional abuse by police,Gov’t,religions and corporations. You may not like everyone they defend,but that’s the price for having a degree of freedom…something most people on this site are continually pretending they love,when the truth is that most want their particular freedom for themselves and deny for others what they consider freedom and liberty. It’s only blatant hypocrisy on your part at best.

      • DaveH

        Bull. They have been fighting for anti-freedom causes such as School-Bussing for at least the last 30 years. They fight for Liberal Causes. They started out as defenders of the Constitution but were soon corrupted by Liberal Lawyers. They have been in the forefront of the attacks on Religious Freedom in public places. The Second Amendment clearly states:
        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
        It does not say anything about religious relics on public land.

        • DaveH

          Denniso is fond of attacking others with terms like “hypocrisy”. He whines about the Big Bad corporations cheating us, but turns around and advocates the force of Big Government to take our money away with their out-of-control spending. Talk about a hypocrite. You are nothing but a typical controlling, thieving Liberal Denniso.

      • chuck b

        denniso

        you liberals reference the mccarthy hearings as some kind of which hunt. i watched the hearings from beginning to end and will state here and now for the most part mccarthy was right. people with the politic’s as yours seem to be, were exposed for what they were at the time. your friends refused to answer the questions under the fifth amendment with the evidence staring them in the face. your probable hero’s john and bobby kennedy were setting right alongside mccarthy at the hearings. how come you don’t criticize them? not too many years ago much of the liberal media agreed. mccarthy was right!! our present day liberal’s confirm that he was right!!

        • denniso

          Chuckie…you’re clearly out of your mind!! McCarthy was a psychotic and was conducting a modern day witch hunt, until one person stood up to him and he crumbled like the shallow and worthless man he was.
          For your info…it is not illegal to be a communist, socialist, atheist,rightwingnut,liberal or moderate or devil worshipper. Freedom means tolerating people you disagree with. Can you and the other fools on your side really not understand that simple truth??

          • DaveH

            Obviously Denniso, you can’t grasp that simple truth. Your tolerance is slightly lacking for anybody that isn’t in your gang of thieves.
            How are those pads in your room holding up?

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            “you repubs SNARF SNARF SNARF SNARF!!!! AND DON’T FORGET SNARF!!!”

          • chuck b

            denniso

            he sure stirred up the communist in hollywood and those in the government. in those days communism was against the law ( an orginization advocating the overthrow of the government) until you friendlies got the law changed, wasn’t it around the time of one of your favorites “angela davis”

          • http://PERSONALLIBERTYDIGEST LESTER 82ND

            DENNISO JUST REMEMBER THIS COMMUNISM ONLY WORKS IN TWO PLACES.HEAVEN WERE THEY DON’T NEED IT,AND HELL WERE THEY ALREADY HAVE IT.— NEXT DO EVERYONE A FAVOR GO HOME TURN ON YOUR GAS STOVE AND LET US KNOW HOW LONG YOU CAN HOLD YOUR HAND IN THE FLAME. NOW THINK OF ETERNITY

      • Tinwarble

        Yeah, the ACLU protects people, that is, unless you believe in God or you want to protect the life of an unborn child. The ACLU will defend your Constitution rights, if those rights are in line with their Liberal bias. Sure, once in a while they end up on the right side of an issue, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. The only thing that the ACLU is good for now is getting rapist, murders & foreign caught terrorist, who have no Constitution rights, out of prison on back on the streets.

      • http://aol Rev John

        denniso

        If you have been following some news, what about the balck panthers that were found guilty and then the case was dismissed. Where is the ACLU? I would respect them if they would go after every case, but they seem to have a very selective set of principles. And as a right winger with a Phd. I find your comment about a lack of education shows you yourself as a, well you know.

    • Dot Biller

      You put a ACORN lawer with a questionable citizenship in the presidency!!! People need to THINK before they VOTE!!

    • NormaNicholson

      Hey we have an ACLU lawyer in the White House. He is just trying to reward his buddies that he worked with. It is no different that bringing in all of his Union bosses to control the labor force of the nation.

      It all stinks and if we don’t bet this b**t**d impeached and tried for his felonies we will see he has destroyed this nation before the 4 years is out.

      All off his advisory board, Reid and Pelosi are guilty of felonies and high treason. Obama was searching for ways to hide his birth certificate 2 years before he ran for President. I wonder why that could have been? Recon he has a legitimate reason to hide it? Kenyon officials have admitted they have set up a memorial/shrine near where he was born. Does this mean he was born in Kenya and not entitled to run for President? Then again, I have a friend who’s mother lived within 8 miles of where he was born and she never left Kenya. Does all of this mean he was born in Kenya? I leave that up to you to decide. One thing I do know, a Kenyan CAN NOT be President of this nation LEGALLY. Now if that is true, does that mean he ran illegally and knew what he was doing? Hey he was a Harvard law professor who taught Constitutional law. Well, right off I would say he knew the Constitution inside and out. Makes one wonder who coached him on how to avoid telling the truth and would that account for why he has spent over $1 MILLION of the tax payers dollars to hide his birth certificate and has only offered a forged certificate of live birth as proof of his citizenship.

    • JC

      True. I forget who said it: “Giving power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenaged boys.”

      • denniso

        jc…what a smart comment. Is that what you think is enlightened thought?? Mindless and pointless ‘humor’??? I wonder, have you complained about the power you’ve given the gov’t you hate, to blow any city it chooses off the face of the earth? Is that not gov’t power? How about the power of the gov’t to execute people and lock up innocent people for life and only freed if someone like the ACLU gets involved?? Is that kind of brutish power the kind you approve of and actually like?

        • Joe H.

          “And SNARF AGAIN!!!!!”

          • denniso

            And, Joey can’t seem to speak..oh well, he’s got nothing to say anyway except the same old crap that all the right wing nuts are repeating dutifully over and over,like a continual replay of R Limbaugh. Sad…Pitiable…

        • Tinwarble

          You talk about governments executing & locking them up, well, where has that happened, that’s right, under socialist run states, like Russia & Nazi Germany. You try to come off as intelligent, but only come off as misinformed. You speak of having sympathy for people, but then complain when we take out a dictator who killed millions of his own people & tortured countless others, where is your sympathy for them. You talk about the ACLU protecting the rights of the people, but yet if a kid wants to pray in school on his on time & he gets kicked out, why does the ACLU fall on the side of the school, where is the Constitutional rights of the kid. When almost 3000 people get killed by foreign terrorist, why does the ACLU come down on the side of the terrorist not getting Constitutional rights, when no rights are afforded them under the Constitution because they are not citizens.
          You talk about Republicans as though we don’t care about anyone but ourselves, yet, as I posted on another post, why would Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks when researching for his book “Who Really Cares” say, “When you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money.” You speak with nothing to back up your statements other than what you find on your Liberal news & blogs & regurgitate half facts & partial truths.
          You want everyone to have health insurance & have others to pay for it. With that mentality, there are homeless out there, they need a place to live, how about you post your address here & we’ll make sure that they get it so they can come live with you for free. If you think social health care is fine, maybe you wouldn’t mind social housing.

          • denniso

            Among all the other misinformation in your tirade,Saddam didn’t kill anywhere near ‘millions of his own people’. Saddam was a tyrant but we had no right to invade Iraq and murder hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of our own boys and girls in the process. You need to get some facts straight before you yell.

          • Tinwarble

            Ok, I will have to retract the millions since I mistyped (it happens) and meant a Million, which is pretty much the accepted number, 300,000 were found in mass graves. Not to mention the number of Iraqi’s that were tortured, raped & had there hands cut off. But you also over stated your numbers killed, since the IBC has the numbers between 94,000 & 103,000, not hundreds of thousands, & does not take into account those killed by insurgents. As, a Vet, I do not like to have any civilian casualties, but that is part of the costs of war, & as a Vet it is also my job to put my life on the line for your freedom. And unlike you if my neighbor was getting, raped, beaten & threatened with death, I wouldn’t just sit around & let it happen.

        • Earlw

          Dennis-o, do you really believe that we conservatives that you refer to as “republicans or right-wingers” advocate the “blowing off the face of the earth”, as you say? Come on, get real, man! we enjoy most of the same things others do and wouldn’t want to deny them to anyone else, lest we be hypocrites. There are elements within our government who have little regard for human life or property anywhere in the world. Just because they do unforgivable violence and mayhem in the world, don’t automatically think we support it. Mr. Obama is just as responsible for those things as the Bush admin was, and before them…This has been going on since the turn of the century. Scratch a liberal or an environmentalist deep enough and you will find a fascist underneath. Enough of this partisan bickering! Read and understand the constitution and bill of rights and the federalist papers from whence they sprang, and maybe you will have a better understanding of Conservatism. A good start in America would be closing down the federal reserve banks and congress controlling the issue of credit like in article 1 section 8 of the above. We have got a lot of work to do to correct what has been done to the rule of law since Lincoln subverted it. Read up, it’s all available …..

          • Joe H.

            Earlw,
            You will never see that as the dems are allergic to a simple thing in life. It’s called personal responsibility!! The people that took out loans that they knew in most cases they couldn’t afford get a break and get lower payments and lower interest. While the people that took due diligence and found a house they COULD afford and a fixed interest rate they could work with get nothing after years of making payments.
            The ones that use credit cards irresponsibly and run up 10,000 dollars or more credit can get government help and “slowly” pay off their balances while the responsible ones that pay their bills on time have to pay for this with higher interest rates and lower lines of credit!!! There’s the good ole’ Demoncrap liberal type of responsibility!!!!

          • denniso

            I guess you didn’t get it…I was responding to j c complaining about gov’t having power. My comment was that no repubs worried about too much gov’t power ever seem worried about the gov’t having the power to blow entire cities off the earth,w/ N weapons. My point being, that is sort of the ultimate power and you guys don’t complain about that. Most right wingers worry if they’re tax $$ are spent on other people.

          • Joe H.

            Those missiles and bombs are our last line of defense against any foreign country that would enslave us to their way of living. If that bothers you why don’t you go to one of them and live for awhile and see if you don’t want the defense there!!!!

          • denniso

            Joe…you are dense. I’m saying,again, that you guys scream about gov’t power, but have no problem w/ the gov’t you hate having the ultimate power to blow any city anywhere off the face of the earth. Why is that awesome power ok,since it’s in the hands of the evil gov’t?? I have less of a problem than you do w/ gov’t having an appropriate amount of power over society,so i’m not hypocrital about it like you guys. Got it??

  • Raggs

    We already have an ACORN lawer in the white house.
    Now this…..

  • David Long

    Don’t conservatives attempt to spread their own particular philosophy of social justice? When they do, it’s good for the country. When liberals and moderates do, it’s the end of the world? A bit over the top emotionally, don’t you think?

    We should stop attempting to drive people who disagree with us out of the human race. We are all Americans and, most of us, truly want what is good for America. The only difference between us is that we differ on how to get there. Extreme and blind partisanship hurts our country. It must be conscience, country, party. Not, party, power, perks, hate, and division.

    Even though I do not agree with every position taken by the ACLU, it has made an important contribution to the liberty and security of our nation over the years.

    The site below lists some of its accomplishments over the years.

    http://www.nhclu.org/ACLU-greatest-hits.php

    • American Citizen

      The ACLU is very picky about what it will defend. It also has a lot of ‘cons:.

      • denniso

        David L….good comment. Liberals,moderates,Demos want a society that works for most or all people,not just white,wealthy,connected or privileged..they know that gov’t is the major controlling and reachable entity that either helps or harms the citizens,not the only one,but the most influential for sure. So we push for gov’t(like the conservatives do for their positions)for policies that tend toward fairness,justice,protection of the environment and constitutional rights for all citizens..not exactly a communist plot.

        • Raggs

          @ denniso

          Just curious… What do you consider “health reform”?

          • denniso

            Ragg…there are all sorts of ways to reform healthcare. Me, I say get private corporations the hell out of the ‘business’. Make it universal coverage funded through our tax system. Let hospitals and dr’s be private and paid by the feds,w/ tax $$. Taking the 30% that goes to profits for the ins corp’s out of the equation would mean that everyone would pay less for total access to healthcare. Much like we do w/ our socialized military, the only thing free market about it would be services contracted out to private entities(dr’s and hospitals). If you like our socialized military,what’s so scary about doing healthcare the same way??

          • Joe H.

            Raggs,
            What he calls health care reform is if somebody else don’t pay for it, it needs reform!!!! If you ever get introduced to him in person watch your wallet!!!!

        • DaveH

          If you call “fairness” the ability to deprive hard-working people of their money and force them to buy products they don’t believe in.

          • Raggs

            Dave… thats the point i was going to make with him…

            Talk about hypocrisy the ACLU backs a government takeover of our lives. And they are supposedly for our liberties… Yeah rigth!
            Corruption at its finist!!!

          • denniso

            Ragg..what the hell are you yelling about now? The ACLU has nothing to do w/ the healthcare bill,which I assume you’re screaming about. Why don’t you try educating yourself rather than just spouting crap that makes no sense at all??

          • Tinwarble

            Once again, DennisO-don’t-know-what-he’s-talking-about is spewing more of his brainless comments. First, the formation of a military is stated in the Constitution, comparing the military to health care is like asking why your fish doesn’t chase the ball like your dog does. The so called “socialized” military is the way it is because each American could not have their own military, or are you just living in fairy tale land.
            Unlike the military, there is nothing in the Constitution giving the government the right to form a Health Care Program. Putting health care in the hands of government is like letting a lion babysit your kid. I would trust getting my health care from a corporation, who, I could not use if I didn’t like the service they provide, rather than trust the government, who, I would be stuck with even if I had to wait 6 months for a CAT scan.
            Dennis, here’s what you should do, if you think government health care is so good, why don’t you take a trip to a Indian Reservation, & ask them just how much they love their government provided health care. You might find your arguments for it lacking in facts.

          • denniso

            …I assumed you could read at least. I specifically said that my reform would be PRIVATE dr’s and hospitals w/ the gov’t paying the bills through our tax system. Get rid of the for profit ins corps and you save 30% up front..what they take out in profit. Neither me nor anyone else is talking about a gov’t run healthcare system. I wonder, since you’re so fond of the constitution..does it say that the gov can use tax money to build roads, sewage and water plants,space shuttles,fund police and fire?? You people are so stuck on the literalness of the constitution that it’s a joke, until you want it to allow you any sort of weapon at all and until you want to ammend it to keep gays in the closet, or create term limits. Whether it’s in the constitution or not, our military is the largest socialist enterprise ever in the history of the world.

          • Tinwarble

            Yep, I do take the Constitution literally, greater men then myself & most definitely you, wrote it. It is the foundation of our country & what has made us the greatest nation on earth. And apparently you don’t have any understanding, no one said anything about Dr.’s, but no matter what reform that you have, if the government is involved they control what care you get or don’t get. And, as I said, there is nothing in the Constitution about giving Health Care or paying for health care. You know where you do find that though, try the old Soviet Union Constitution (Chapter 7, Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.). So, how did that socialist nation fair?

            Also, your continuous argument about the military being socialized is about the most ignorant & intellectual dishonest thing I have ever heard.
            If you point to the military as a reason for the government to run their own insurance system, then you completely miss the point that to run the military it takes billions of dollars a year to do so. And even though we have the best military in the world & the best trained, it still is not always run well.

          • Tinwarble

            Also, I almost forgot, I guess you got me on the roads, sewage, water plants, police & fire & the space shuttle.
            But wait, isn’t the Space Shuttle part of NASA & isn’t NASA a part of the Air Force? So, wouldn’t that be under the military, which I’m pretty sure is in the Constitution.
            What about roads, surely roads aren’t in the Constitution. Well, looky there, how about Article 1, Section 8: The Congress shall have Power to establish Post Offices & Post Roads. And doesn’t the mail get delivered on all roads?
            Well, what about sewage, water plants, police & fire, they can’t be in the Constitution. Well, class, you are right, they aren’t, but neither are they established by the Federal Government. You see, those are established by States & local governments (I think that some water & sewage plants are privately owned), & you see anything not in the granted to the US & not prohibited by it to the states is granted to the States & the people.

          • denniso

            Tin…my point about a socialized military is that you guys don’t scream about that aspect of our country being ‘socialized’, while you demonize anything you don’t like as socialism.
            I don’t imagine you worked in the engineering field of water and wastewater plants..no. Federal $$ helped states and cities build plants all around the country in the 60′s and 70′s and cleaned up the Great lakes and other lakes and rivers in the country…the cost was beyond what most states and cities could afford and the feds deemed it to be in the greater public interest. If we tried to do that now,you would shout, ‘socialism’, though fed $$ still goes into state projects.
            And, I wonder, do the words, ‘life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness’, mean anything to you? Those strange ‘unalienable rights’ that your beloved founders thought so highly of…now I also wonder if a person who can’t afford to get timely med care or loses their house to med bills fits into those rights?? How can one pursue happiness if their health is neglected when symptoms of disease appear because they don’t want to lose their savings? Not to mention the right to ‘life’.

          • libertytrain

            Denniso: re your comment:
            “And, I wonder, do the words, ‘life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness’, mean anything to you? Those strange ‘unalienable rights’ that your beloved founders thought so highly of…now I also wonder if a person who can’t afford to get timely med care or loses their house to med bills fits into those rights?? How can one pursue happiness if their health is neglected when symptoms of disease appear because they don’t want to lose their savings? Not to mention the right to ‘life’.”

            Does that mean I lose my rights because I have to give up all I worked for to pay for someone else who may not have worked quite as hard, (or any number of other tales of woe they may present as to why they should have what I have) — So that THAT someone else has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in place of my rights? I think not. Freedom isn’t a guaranteed free ride. It’s real, honest to goodness work – Sometimes “bad things” happen despite all our hard work but MOST of the time it’s not the rule but rather the exception.

          • denniso

            Liberty….we pay taxes,don’t we??? Do you propose to fight that issue again….it’s settled that the gov’t has the right to collect taxes to run gov’t and fulfill the needs of a modern society. If the peoples representatives decide that it is a role of gov’t to help w/ healthcare than that is as legitimate as supporting the military or education. The vast majority of people have decided that it is proper for gov’t to help children and lower income and older citizens w/ healthcare…you don’t accept medicare as legitimate??

        • JC

          Who cares what you busy bodies want…mind your own damned business.

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            I read that without reading the name and I swore it was denniso!!!!!

    • http://n/a Winnie

      I applaud your comment David. Republicans who are not serving in the United States government just cannot seem to accept the fact that when the republicans are the majority, the country goes downhill for the middleclass and the poor. And of course when they are not the majority, they whine and fight any bill that could better the living conditions of the American people. Then there are the republicans who will not think for themselves and accept what limbaugh and glenn and palin and cheney have to say. No surprise the republicans voted down any judge tha would have been oted into their seat in court.

      • Debra

        You say, “Republicans who are not serving in the United States government just cannot seem to accept the fact that when the republicans are the majority, the country goes downhill for the middleclass and the poor.” And they aren’t now??? I consider myself “middle class” and I have never, ever experienced the financial trauma and daily uncertainty that I am experiencing now!!!

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Debra, your troubles today are the cause of your old republican president, “W”. The shock waves of his adminstration will be felt for many years to come. President Obama and his adminstration are trying to turn the tide of the destruction caused by bush and cheney and are doing so very slowly because of the party of no (Grand Old Party). Republicans today want your American President to fail because they cannot accept the fact that the leader of the United States of America is anything other than white, christian, and rich. Remember that a failed president means failed America. What a bunch of idiots rooting for their own country’s destruction. If your a republican maybe you should allow your voice to be heard and stop the destructive actions of your republican representatives and senators.

          • JC

            Its every administration since at least 1913, Dems AND the GOP.
            Its just all happening a lot faster right now under this latest fascist.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Oh please. President Obama has been in the office just barely a year. He has yet to start an expensive war, tax cut the rich, or ignore a national disaster like Katrina. Try being an American and support you leader whether voted for him or not. You Americans really need to band together to get out of the mess bush and cheney left behind.

          • Raggs

            Winnie… It because of people like you that we are in this situation and believe me it’s going to get a whole lot worse with your beloved obama in office..I’m sure you like the idea of taking my freedom to support your laziness?

          • DaveH

            Ok, I’m going to do my best impression of Winnie:
            It’s not Bush’s fault, he inherited the bad economy from Clinton.

            I suspect that even after 8 years of recession, Winnie will still be blaming Bush.

          • DaveH

            And Winnie,
            We aren’t rooting for our countries destruction, we are lamenting it.

          • denniso

            Hi Winnie…hopefully you haven’t heard Rush Limbaugh in Canada, but he is leading these sheep in their destructive actions and words at a time of national crisis in the interest of destroying Obama. It’s really only about politics and destruction of their ‘enemy’. There is nothing patriotic about what they are doing,trying to tear down the economy and the president. Limbaugh stands to gain from his near treasonous talk, but it’s amazing that any working class people are following him to their potential ruin. No thinking on their part,just following like they did so loyally under the silver spooned Bush.
            Keep calling these yahoos on their hypocrisy…

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            Actually he DID tax cut the middle class but then took it back!!!! And under Bush at least I got to spend my tax cut!!!! I’m not the rich, I’m just middle class!!!! How long has it been since you held a job Winnie? I don’t buy for a minute you are from Canada!!! Welfare sound about right? You are too into this discussion not to be holding a hand in the game!!!!

          • Tinwarble

            Winnie,

            You know, you & DennisO should get a room together. You would be so good for each other, sitting around talking about how bad Republicans are & patting each other on the back. Maybe if you would get up off your computer, put some pants on & move out of your mothers basement, you might be able to get out in the world & see all the good that socialized medicine has done. Like, not being able to get drugs that might save your life & waiting months for emergency procedures. Did you hear, the USSR, Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republic, collapsed. I wonder why?

            Sure, G.W. should have veto some of those bills coming across his desk, but hasn’t the Dems been in charge of Congress since 07. Maybe if the Dems hadn’t put all their little earmarks in the same bills as defense spending, perhaps we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in. And who kept spending under control & gave us a surplus, oh yeah, a Republican lead Congress under Clinton. So, your comments fall fairly short of being convincing of “those terrible Conservatives”.

          • denniso

            Yep, resort to mindlessness and juvenile stunts. Pretty clever of you, if you were talking to fools on your level.

          • Joe H.

            We are, we’re talking to you, denniso!!!!

          • Tinwarble

            I know, so when you get to our level we’ll start talking to you like an Adult. Now, go sit back down at the kids table.

          • American Citizen

            Democrats were in power for 40 years before we finally got a republican president. During those years, we had no extra money to go out for dinner or invest. It was only in the 80′s we finally had money to invest for our retirement. Thank God we did as we would have a hard time now if all we had to live on is SS. We get no COLA raise this year or next as the Dems day there is no reason to as the cost of living has not gone up. I wonder what planet they live on. Our supplemental insurance premiums went up leaving us $35 dollars a month short in SS payments from what we had been receiving. Every week, I make sure I coupon and watch for sales in the grocery store, yet the bill increases every week. We drive a 13 year old car as we can’t afford to buy one of those lunch boxes they are making now. Turn that Congress over.

          • Earlw

            Ah, yes, the old race card AGAIN. Give it up people, I couldn’t care less what shade this guy is (half-black)His ideas are not much different than the Clinton administration, and we know what happened to that…Incidentally, the present financial mess was birthed under THAT administration! The reason for it was so the “poor and underprivileged” could afford home, never mind lack of stable employment or the ability and discipline required for home ownership. I think they called them “liar loans”…….

          • http://n/a Winnie

            REPLY TO JOE H AND TINWARBLE:
            Joe, it does not matter to me where you think I’m from, but believe me, I sure am happy to be living in Canada where we don’t have to go bankrupt to get health care. All I have been saying to the Americans is that you should get together and put yourselves out the mess Bush and his gang did to your country.
            Tinwarble, I have worked all my life both here in Canada and there in the United States, I was taught by my Grandmother and a Priest that as a Christian I must walk the path that Jesus walked. He said that to visit the sick, feed the hungry, and respect his people is visiting Him, feeding Him, and respecting His people. I do not call you names, I do not predict anything about you, but if you are a christian, why are you talking like the devil.

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            What you talk of is charity and it is up to the individual to do not have the government take it from you. Where is the charity on my part if the government steals from me and gives to the hungry or treats the sick? Did Jesus do that? Did he act like a middle eastern Robin Hood? I think not! He told US to do it as an act of love to him. Where is the charity from the government? They sure as hell aren’t giving THEIR money!! Give me a break lady! Read your Bible a little closer!!!

          • denniso

            Nice comment Winnie… And, American Sit, I don’t know what country you lived in when the Dems had the presidency for 40 years straight,but it sure as hell wasn’t this country…you’d better do some reading.
            Roosevelt/Truman were in office from ’33 to ’52…Ike from ’53 to ’60…Kennedy/Johnson from ’61 to ’68…Nixon/Ford ’69 to ’76…Carter ’77 to ’80…Reagan/Bush ’81 to ’92…Clinton ’93 to ‘oo. Then, of course, Shrub the fool.

    • David

      We only want to remove them from our country, not our race. What you and Dennis do not get is that us “rich white folks” are the middle class and pay for all of the liberal pet project as they transfer the wealth further to tip the balance.

      • http://n/a Winnie

        So get together and vote out all the representatives and the senate and kick those useless bums out. Vote in some people who are not ruled by $$$$$$. I would suggest that you ight try voting in some solid standing grandmothers to clean up the white house and start taking care of all the children.

    • NormaNicholson

      David, I agree with part of what you said – “We should stop attempting to drive people who disagree with us out of the human race. We are all Americans and, most of us, truly want what is good for America. The only difference between us is that we differ on how to get there. Extreme and blind partisanship hurts our country. It must be conscience, country, party. Not, party, power, perks, hate, and division. ”

      You are right in that “conservatives attempt to spread their own particular philosophy of social justice, and when they do, it’s good for the country”. The main difference in conservative and liberal agendas is that the conservative agenda values life, responsible handling of finances, home, family, religion, the sanctity of marriage, and belief in what the founding fathers had in mind for this country. The liberals tend more to tax and spend – the fact that this nation has tripled the national debt since Obama took office is a good example of irresponsibility and how the Democrats believe you can spend your way out of a bad situation. History has proven numerous times that this kind of national policy comes just before the demise of the nations financial base and the total collapse of the nation. As far as “power, perks, hate, and division” it seems the Democrats have this market all sewn up. A good example is the way the Obamacare, that the nation DOES NOT WANT, was forced through AGAINST the wishes of the public in the wee hours of the morning hoping the more conservative representatives would miss the vote. This is lower than a snakes belly tactics and typical of the Chicago steamroller political machine that is noted for dirty tactics. Deliberately going against the wishes of the nation is NOT being responsible or acting in the best interests of the nation. It is extremely destructive to the Medicare program that is already difficult to find providers and now those on it won’t have near the limited benefits they were able to get before.

      You are right again in “I do not agree with every position taken by the ACLU.” It has as part of it’s manifesto a Marxist agenda that it announces to destroy this nation at every chance it gets. You really need to check it out and it will illuminate you. It has attacked everything of worth while moral and religious issues at every opportunity it has. and it ahs taken them since the 1920′s to do it. Obama, one of their attorneys’, is a good example of their impact on this nation. They finally got one of their own in the White House and we are now seeing the ACLU at it’s most powerful and putting its destructive agenda to work in ways nobody every dreamed was in its agenda. You are not the only one who has been blinded and thinks they have “made an important contribution to the liberty and security of our nation over the years.”
      The site below lists some of its accomplishments over the years. A lot of the claims to benefit society listed in the link below are against the moral beliefs of the majority of the USA citizenry and are bent on the destruction of the USA – I read the entire piece. http://www.nhclu.org/ACLU-greatest-hits.php

      • denniso

        Norma N…you say the ACLU has a Marxist agenda…like, what the hell does that mean? Give me a break on this labeling of anything you don’t like and do some reading and thinking outside the box of the rightwing propoganda talking points. The ACLU stands for constitutional rights for all americans. VERY SIMPLE…

        • DaveH

          The ACLU does not stand for our Constitutional Rights. They pick and choose their battles based on Liberal Causes.
          They have argued the 2nd Amendment is a collective right not an individual right. Too bad the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise.
          They fought for the right of Government to bus children to schools outside of their districts to achieve the Liberal Dreams of “equal education”. But what about the white kids who then would go to the “inferior schools”?
          They have been in the forefront of attacking religious expression in public places under the guise of “separation of church and state”. There is no so law. Read the First Amendment. It’s pretty darn clear:
          http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/amendments_en.html

          Denniso thinks that he will be elevated in stature by personally insulting others. He won’t be.

        • American Citizen

          denniso, wake up. Obama said before he was elected that his goal was to fundamentally and radically change this country. What do you think he meant by that? It scared me to death. What is happening now is exactly what I was afraid would happen.

          • denniso

            Um…maybe Obama meant, try to finish the 2 wars that Bush wouldn’t finish…maybe he meant to let scientists at the EPA actually do their work…maybe get the rest of the world to work w/ us to solve global problems..maybe he meant he would try to stop the bankrupting of the country by the soaring cost of med care…maybe he meant he would try to help the middle class regain some wage stability and reduce the widening gap between the very wealthy and the middle class…maybe,unlike the rightwing extremists, he wants to slow global warming for the sake of your children’s future.

          • Joe H.

            dennislobber,
            Yeah he sure stopped those nasty wars didn’t he? And with the report that we lost another 85,000 jobs last month he sure stabilised the economy didn’t he? The sure way to stabilize the economy is to tax the hell out of the businesses!!! Yeah wright!!!!

          • David

            Dennis grow up and do your homework. What is happening right now is a direct attack on the private sector. I believe most middle class folks work in the private sector….but you are probably a government worker or maybe a GM (gov. motors) auto worker so you don’t really care. You mention global warming above. Are you also going to be exempt from the increase in cost of everything, including your own utility costs or are you one of the ones that we will be transfering our wealth to? Believe me we will not take it much longer so you had better start packing your bags…..

          • Joe H.

            David,
            Please don’t call denniso Dennis as there is a Dennis here and it would be a great insult to him!!!

          • denniso

            Dennis…so dumb i actually can’t believe it. We’ve had the biggest economic collapse since the great depression…the private co’s weren’t forced to take bailout $$. The auto co’s could have just gone bankrupt and disapeared and a few hundred thousand jobs gone as well and the recession could have become a depression..they didn’t want to so they accepted gov’t help. Obama and every economist alive believes that we had to take major action to avoid the largest ever global depression…Those people ae trying to save capitalism. Yet you geniuses actually think you know more than all of the economists and people who study this stuff all their life…give it up and get back to complaining about you favorite football teams.

  • http://tvforfreedom.com MrHeid

    Remember the quote from the founder of the ACLU?…”the goal is communism.”

    • denniso

      Where in hell did you get that ‘quote’ from?? Thin air??

      • DaveH

        Here you go Denniso, out of “thin air”:
        http://www.acluvsamerica.com/docs/chapter01.pdf

        • denniso

          Sorry DH..I’m off to work,something you don’t do much of these days,it would seem.

          • DaveH

            Your poor employer.

          • denniso

            Like I’ve said before, I’m self employed and have been for all but 1 yr of my adult life. I believe so strongly in freedom that I control my own life..ever created your own job yourself??

          • DaveH

            I won’t go there Denniso because I don’t expect the truth from you.
            I can’t expect honesty from somebody who doesn’t have enough morality to keep hands off the property of others.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            How convenient!!!! Some one gives you facts and the very next post you say “gotta go to work, something you wouldn’t understand” Now you remind me of a little wild rabbit going from thicket to thicket hiding from the dog named truth and fact!!!!

          • c lee

            There ya go Denniso when the going gets tough the cowards run away. I read the doctrine of the a c l u. man thats a scary thing and now they want these comunist on the federal bench. Hell no.

        • Tinwarble

          DaveH,

          By work, DennisO means that his mom just told him to take out the trash.

        • David

          You’ve still got it!

      • denniso

        Here’s a bio on the founder of the ACLU…

        Roger Nash Baldwin was born in Wellesley, Massachusetts to Frank Fenno Baldwin and Lucy Cushing Nash. He earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees at Harvard University; afterwards, he moved to St. Louis on the advice of Louis D. Brandeis. There he taught sociology at Washington University, worked as a social worker and became chief probation officer of the St. Louis Juvenile Court. He also co-wrote Juvenile Courts and Probation with Bernard Flexner at this time; this book became very influential in its era, and was, in part, the foundation of Baldwin’s national reputation.

        Baldwin was a lifelong pacifist; he was a member of the American Union Against Militarism (AUAM), which opposed American involvement in World War I, and spent a year in jail as a conscientious objector rather than submit to the draft. After the passage of the Selective Service Act of 1917, Baldwin called for the AUAM to create a legal division to protect the rights of conscientious objectors. On July 1, 1917, the AUAM responded by creating the Civil Liberties Bureau (CLB), headed by Baldwin. The CLB separated from the AUAM on October 1, 1917, renaming itself the National Civil Liberties Bureau, with Baldwin as director. In 1920, NCLB was renamed the American Civil Liberties Union with Baldwin continuing as the ACLU’s first executive director.[2]

        As director, Baldwin was integral to the shape of the association’s early character; it was under Baldwin’s leadership that the ACLU undertook some of its most famous cases, including the Scopes Trial, the Sacco and Vanzetti murder trial, and its challenge to the ban on James Joyce’s Ulysses. Baldwin retired from the ACLU leadership in 1950. He remained active in politics for the rest of his life; for example, he co-founded the International League for the Rights of Man, which is now known as the International League for Human Rights.

        In St. Louis, Baldwin had been greatly influenced by the radical social movement of the anarchist Emma Goldman. He joined the Industrial Workers of the World. In 1927, he had visited the Soviet Union and wrote a book, Liberty Under the Soviets. He later denounced communism in his book, A New Slavery, which condemned “the inhuman communist police state tyranny”.[3] In the 1940s, Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members.[3]

        In 1947, General Douglas MacArthur invited him to Japan to foster the growth of civil liberties in that country. In Japan, he founded the Japan Civil Liberties Union, and the Japanese government awarded him the Order of the Rising Sun. In 1948, Germany and Austria invited him for similar purposes.

        I imagine that MacArthur is a hero to most conservatives..gee,he really used Baldwin to foster civil liberties in Japan?? Amazing,isn’t it?? Now quit you’re lying and spreading of misinformation.

        • Debra

          I followed the link Dave H. provided:

          “I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the
          state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.
          —ACLU founder Roger Baldwin”

          Alarming!

          • JC

            Another Damned Commie, John. I swear, when does hunting season open on those things?

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            I think that hunting season will open up sometime this year, I think it maybe around Nov..

        • Joe H.

          Hey denniso,
          I thought you had to go to work?!?!?!?

  • David Long

    Good perspective denniso.

    What is healthcare reform? At the very least, please find out by reading T.R. Reid’s book The Healing of America.

    Health reform is not putting parents in the position of choosing between the death of a child and bankrupcy. There were over 700,00O bankrupcies in the US last year because of this. There were NONE in the other industrialized countries with universal health care.

    Health reform is preventing for-profit corporations from inventing excuses (pre-existing conditions)for depriving you of medical care because it costs them too much and eats into their huge salaries and bonuses. Healthcare reform prevents a 30% fee to send my payment to the doctor and replaces it with a 1% fee. Health reform says that, in America, every man, woman, and child, is morally entitled to a doctor’s care.

    Raggs…..It’s important to remember that the ACLU DEFENDS the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is explicitly a RESTRAINT on government.

    • Raggs

      I knew someone was going to say that ACLU were standing for the people….. Well BS!.. I don’t buy that. Maybe in some cases they have but not today. If this would be the case then why do they not stand against this communistic health care government take over?
      And don’t try to tell me that it will save the citizens money, thats BS too when the government will raise taxes on all middle class and force you to purchase insurance. So where the hell is ACLU?..

    • AnhydrousBob

      David Long Said:
      “There were over 700,00O bankrupcies in the US last year because of this [health related bankruptcies]. There were NONE in the other industrialized countries with universal health care.”

      You’re joking right? In countries with universal health care (everything health related paid for) wouldn’t it pretty much be impossible to go bankrupt from healthcare spending unless you were like, completely incompetent? Well, in the same vein, maybe Chicago could learn a thing or two from New Orleans about ice removal, because New Orleans sure spends a lot less per capita and never has problems with ice.

      David Long also said:
      “Health reform says that, in America, every man, woman, and child, is morally entitled to a doctor’s care.”

      Well, I don’t guess it does, because the bill doesn’t extend that opportunity to everyone in America, or the World. What it really says is that “The Federal Government has the extra-constitutional right to dictate in the area of personal choice.”

      And why do you use that term “Health Reform”. Don’t you know the difference in Medical and Health?

      • denniso

        Anhydrous B..don’t you get it?? That is exactly the point, that people in other smarter countries DON’T go bankrupt over health care expenses..now, is that a negative to you, that people don’t lose their houses or retirement $$ to pay the outrageous costs for illness in other countries? You’ve got to be kidding if you think we should have the right to lose everything to the ins corporations. I guess it shows to what length you people will go to stand on an insane ‘principle’. It’s laughable,tho tragic..the ‘right to lose everything’!!

        • Joe H.

          dennislobber,
          no just the countries are going down the tubes!!! England is so far in debt that they are now allowing health insurance again so people can get treatment faster!!!! Look up stacking in England ERs!! Check out the report that came out by a couple of nurses last year that Drs were giving the elderly pain meds when they were in the hospital to mask any improvement so they can be termed terminal!!! You are so full of I’ll bet money you have brown eyes!!!

          • Tinwarble

            Joe H,

            DennisO can’t hear that, it would get in the way of his ideology. Besides, it’s not on some lefty website so he wouldn’t know how to get there.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            You two make me laugh. I don’t think you are bad people. In fact I think you are basically intelligent. But putting down the comments of others that don’t agree with you makes…what?

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            Prove what I said wrong or do you just spout the liberal spew???? Canadian? Wright!!!!

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Joe H. Wright or right. Here in Canada, most people are not ruled by the extreme Christians, nor are the people power hungry to be number 1 in the world. We still may have the poor and the homeless but they are entitled to be taken care of. The bums trying to apply for welfare are forced to look for jobs for the first three months than they are cut of welfare. I agree with that because I want my tax dollars to go to the poor and the helpless. I thank God that I have some money to share with the less fortunate.

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            That may be true, I don’t know for sure, but I do know when the Iraqi war started your government told our citizens not to run to Canada because they were not wanted this time!!! Guess they learned their lesson during Nam, huh?

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Joe H. I sure would take in Soldiers who do not want to fight an unnessary war. Why do you people think there should be a war everytime you want something. Irag was about oil. Why not sit down and try to negotiate or get a copromise. Why the heck were you in Vietam anyway. Thouands of young men and women all died for nothig, same with Irag.

    • DaveH

      Mr. Long,
      The health bill has nothing to do with providing cheaper health care and everything to do with taking over our wallets and our lives.
      You talk compassion, but champion forcing people to buy a product they don’t want. Compassion is when you donate your own money. It’s called theft when you donate the money of others.
      Government has rarely run a program in a cost effective manner, and I doubt they will start with Health Care. Nobody has to buy Health Insurance. If you think it is too expensive, then don’t buy it. You see, you have that choice now. But what you advocate will take our choice away. We will have to buy it whether we think it is cost-effective or not. And you whine about the poor people who can’t afford it now. I’ve got news for you, it is going to be a lot more expensive when the Government gets involved. And there will be a lot more people who are deprived of care then.
      How can anybody think that taking healthcare decisions out of the hands of the patients and putting it in the hands of a disinterested middle-man (Government) is going to be cheaper?

      • Tinwarble

        Just to add to Dave’s remark, for those that think that government involvement is going to lower health care prices. Have you gone to the Post Office to buy a stamp? Has the price of stamps gone down?
        And how much does it cost us now, through the government, to buy a toilet seat? Government=Savings, I don’t think so!

        • denniso

          You really think that 44 cents or whatever it is now for a stamp is a lot of money..what can you buy for that anywhere else??

          • Tinwarble

            It’s not a matter of how much it costs, my point is, has the cost gone down.

          • Tinwarble

            You still don’t get it do you, if the government was effect at running the post office the price of a stamp would not have gone up twice in a year. They wouldn’t be nearly 2.8 million in the hole & have been talking about cutting delivery to 5 days a week to save money. It’s not a matter of the cost of the stamp, it’s how effective the government is taxpayer money. Apparently that was just a little bit over your head though, since all you want to do is praise the price of much it cost to mail a letter.

          • Joe H.

            Tinwarble,
            If they expect the bill to stay down, why did they come up with the forever stamp to lure customers back????

        • Joe H.

          Tinwarble,
          Another fact that denniso doesn’t want to hear!!!

          • denniso

            …You’d better read up on capitalism. Almost no costs actually come down over time..they go up w/ inflation,some faster than others,like med costs soaring at 10% and more for the past 30 yrs. The only things that go down are electronics as they break into the market and production costs go down and then they drop further to keep up demand when newer products start competing for market and attention in the consummer’s mund. If it isn’t a bargain to get a piece of 1st class mail from your podunk town to LA or NYC, then you really are clueless. Get real.

          • Joe H.

            Denniso,
            you really don’t get it do you? You talk about health costs going up 10% yet ignore the fact that when a 39 cent stamp goes up 5 cents it’s more than the 10% you speak of. It’s not the cost, it’s the fact that it’s government controlled and it’s going up faster than the health care you are so concerned with!!! Open your Liberal eyes and take off the Liberal rose colored glasses!!!

          • denniso

            What a petty argument you’re trying to make..and, stamps went from .42 to .44…a 2 cent increase in a year. Let’s see, can you figure the % increase that is?? Not 10% is it??

          • Joe H.

            dennisobber
            39 to 44 is five cents in a year dumb a$$!!!

    • Tinwarble

      First, you have to be kidding about people choosing between going bankrupt or the death of child. Most children get care with no charge because of Charities & places like St. Jude Children’s Hospital who get a lot of their donations from those large evil corporations that you hate. I’ve known people who have had children that need life saving medical care, & every one of them had some charity come to their aid & they never had to come up with even one penny. Some were even given financial aid to help with their living costs. Sure, people in other countries may not be going bankrupt, they are just denied drugs that would cure their cancer & instead offered a Suicide drug or they wait months until they can get emergency surgery or maybe, you like waiting until someone dies so that you might get your name pulled out of hat so that you can get a family doctor. If our health care system is so bad, then how come so many people come to the US when they have a deadly illness.
      Even my girlfriend’s son, who had to go to rehab because doctors got him hooked on prescription drugs, had his bill payed for by a charity, he didn’t have to pay one dime. So, sure, there is a possibility that I might go bankrupt, but since no hospital will turn away a patient, at least I have a better chance of living.

      • Joe H.

        Tinwarble,
        I don’t condone it, but the kid right down the street from me has no coverage so when he’s sick or hurt he goes to our ER and gets care for free and just never pays the bill!!! Does it all the time and he’s like 25 or so!!!

        • Tinwarble

          I know, that’s something this Liberal (non) thinkers never mention, that no ER will turn away a patient. And don’t hand me that “well we pay for it” excuse either. We all pay for it when someone shoplifts, does that mean we need a law to let everyone who needs something shoplift.

      • denniso

        ..that’s some modern,21st century healthcare system you’ve got there…make people beg like paupers from ‘charities’ so they can afford a kidney transplant. Move to Bangledesh if you like that approach. Have you never seen jars collecting change at restaurants for people trying to pay off a huge med bill…ever heard of bank accts set up to save a family from banruptcy after their little kid has a major med issue?? That’s what I love about the rightwing,so compassionate and thoughtful, just like the great deciever, compassionate conservative Bush. What a load of crap! you people are just cheap and boil everything down to $$..your $$, while you pretend it’s about ‘values’ and ‘principles’, when it’s only selfishness,greed,heartless inhumanity…Have you ever screamed about the trillions wasted in wars,not to mention the lost and devastated lives?? NO…

        • Tinwarble

          Oh, Poor o’Demsho! Your so side ways you don’t which way to turn. First Conservatives aren’t charitable enough, now getting help from a charity is a bad thing. Boo, hoo, hoo, what’s wrong little fella, your multiple Liberal personalities fighting over which one should respond? You know, well I guess you don’t, but most people don’t have to go begging to charities, alot of the time the Charities hear about their trouble and come to their add. And some times they give their information to hospitals & tell the nurses that if someone needs help to contact them or have the people contact them, because they want to help. You know helping people is why Charities exist, if they didn’t help them then they would just be another Liberal Organization, like your precious ACLU. And yes, I have seen those jars, jars with MS, March of Dimes & St. Judes & numerous other charities on them. Yes, there are jars for people who need help, but usually those people don’t know that there is help for them or are too proud because of people like you who say they begging for hand outs. Most think they are all alone when they are not, there are lots of people willing to lend a hand, that’s why we are the most charitable country in the world.
          And back to your old war footing again. I tell you what, you go talk to someone in France, Germany or England who was alive during WWII and talk to them about the money it cost to get rid of Hitler. Go talk to the Kurds or the Shi’ites and ask them how much they hate that we got rid of Saddam. You Libs talk about peace & freedom but not the cost & sacrifice that it takes to have peace & freedom. You’ve probably have never been more than 2 states away from where you live, you no nothing of the world except what you gleam from sitting in you moms basement, surfing the Liberal websites so that you can have your liberal view re-enforced. I doubt that you have any friends, that’s why you can’t seem to pull yourself away from these posts because, even though no one cares for you, at least you get to talk to someone. You think you can come here regurgitate you Liberal thoughts & hold yourself up as being superior to everyone. Well, I’m sorry no one think you are superior & no one really cares what you have to say. So do yourself a favor put down the mouse, turn off the computer & find yourself a friend that shares your views, you’ll be much happier.

          • denniso

            ..How is it that you percieve me to ‘hold myself superior to people here’?? Maybe because I know a little bit about what I’m talking about? If you think I’m superior to you and some of the real dimwits that spout violence,hatred and lies, well thanks Tin.

          • c lee

            Ye Ye dennisio buck rogers was a fantasy too (laser weapons) star trek was a fantasy( Their comuncation device ie Nextel radios). Ralf Cramden and Archey Bunker were fantasy charecters and low and behold maybe there not because I met you.

        • c lee

          I think the issue for me is not having the govt decide whether I live or die. If you like this Idea watch a movie called Solient Green, youl love it. Especially if you like cannibilism.

          • denniso

            Are you on medicare?? anyone you know on medicare?? Is the gov’t telling you or them whether they can live or die?? Solient Green is a fantasy movie,sorry it’s not real dude…

          • Joe H.

            dennisobber,
            The cuts they have planned at the same time they lower the age to 59 hasn’t gone into effect yet either, has it???

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    IT’S OVER! This judge “con” does not help anything! The MARXIST now control the HOUSE, SENATE, JUDICIARY, and the WHITE(?)HOUSE! NAME the LAST “MARXIST GOVERNMENT” TO LEAVE OFFICE VOLUNTARY, IF AT ALL?

    • denniso

      Victor Looney…Now,like,you really,really,like,need some proffessional help. Like, I hope you get it.

      • c lee

        Thats like the pot calling the kettle black. Oh wait a minuite let me just clairify that was not a racial statement.

  • John

    The ACLU maintains court cases and files suit whenever it sees prayer in public, an expression of the real meaning of Christmas, and jumps on every chance they even remotely see as a chance to promote abortion.

    The ACLU is anti-God, anti-family, anti- natural law, and traitorous.

    I have had years of experience with their incessant frivolous law suits and they need to be de-funded.

    • denniso

      OK Genius…you want to ‘defund the ACLU’?? Who do you think funds them, the gov’t? It’s private donations and free work by thousands of attorneys around the country. You want to force people to not be able to donate $$ to whomever they please? Boy, that’s some kind of freedom!
      Your ‘true meaning of Xmas’?? Did you have a tree in your house this year? That ‘tradition comes from the pagans who thought there were spirits in trees. Let’s see, the date of the 25th? that was stolen by the church to co-opt the pagan celebration marking the ascent of the sun after the shortest day of the year. Giving presents? I guess we could chalk that up to our consummer driven society and the extreme materialism needed to fuel our style of capitalism.

      • Tinwarble

        There you go again, what about the millions of taxpayers’ dollars that the ACLU & their attorneys have gotten by filing law suits under US Code 1988. Law suits filed for people using their 1st Amendment right to express their religion.
        Also, the Christmas tree (not Xmas, because Christ is not spelled with an X), is just decoration, have you never decorated for someone’s birthday. We do not worship the tree, as the pagans did, nor did the pagans chop the tree down, put it in their home & string lights on it. The fork was not invented in America, but yet you use it, did you steal it or is it just something that was incorporated into our culture. And giving presents is a symbol of the Wise Men giving presents to baby Jesus, & yes it has become too commercialized, but we do it because, as Christians, we love to give, just as we love to be Charitable. And being Charitable is giving of our own accord, not taking from someone who we think has too much & giving it to someone who we think needs it.

        • Joe H.

          Tinwarble,
          Very good answer, that is about the best I’ve heard it put,thanks!!

          • Tinwarble

            Well, thank you Joe, I appreciate that!

        • c lee

          You exspress yourself very well, Iam applaueding you and my family not knowing Iam on the computor thinks Ive lost my mind.

        • http://n/a Winnie

          We Christians? Speak for yourself tinwarble. You do not speak like a Christian. You do not walk like Jesus did when He was on earth. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror and read some of the comments you wrote. You mr., are not a Christian.

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            You’re right, I don’t walk like Jesus and neither do you!! He was the only one that ever has! “To breathe is to sin” Sound familiar???

      • c lee

        You are so full of Shi? denniso everytime you post my computor reeks, I gotta go buy some Glade air freshener.

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Another Christian commenting?

        • Joe H.

          c lee,
          You know, I think we ought to just ignore anyone that doesn’t have a hand to play. You know, like anyone thats not living in the U.S. of A. as we type. their voice doesn’t really count as they can’t LEGALLY vote here!!! just say bye, bye Poo Bear!!!! Remember the first name?

          • denniso

            Joey H…another dead giveaway comment for a true provincial, myopic and isolationist rightwinger.

          • c lee

            I got it Joe H. thanks for the heads up.

  • Claire

    Where is Jim-illinois? I am looking for him. I wanted to tell him that Gov. Quinn and the Director of Corrections -the Randall guy–let out more than 1700 prisoners. Now we find out that some of these prisoners are violent and the Director of Corrections is in trouble for the release of the violent ones. Well, Mr. Randall no doubt acted on Quinn’s orders. What a stinking mess. Now these violent criminals are on the loose. What next from this miserable corrupt government here in Illinois? When will it all end?

    • Raggs

      Easy one … Gitmo prisoners released in the USA under obama and his acorns, aclu…..

    • jim

      Hi Claire, Measage recieved, Thankyou. When will it end? I would hope the 2010 elections will find a more informed voter. Our promblem is our state congressional and senate districts are based on population, which seems fair, but 50% of the states population is in Cook county. One county has half of the states representation. In Crook county you don’t go anywhere unless you are part of the Machine. I’m only half joking when I say Illinios needs to suceed from the graet state of Chicago.

      • Claire

        Jim–You know, I have often wondered why Springfield was the capital of Illinois. It should be Chicago, don’t you think!!!
        What do you think of the prisoners being released? Now they claim violent prisoners were let loose too. Looks like Mr. Randell is taking the fall. Quinn appears to be blaming him for it.
        What do you think of Aaron Schock? Just curious.

        • jim

          These prisoners were given a sentence by a judge that is to fit the crime. to release them early is an injustice to the victims and the society they are to protect. How hard is it to pull a file on an inmate to see what crime he or she is locked up for, to make sure you aren’t letting a violent criminal out? After what happened in Seatle with the guy Gov. Huckebee released early, I would think Mr. Randall Would be even more leary. Quinn will have no problem useing Randall as a scape goat though, Even though Quinn tries to distance himself from it, he is part of that Chicago machine. I have heard Aaron Schock being interviewed and I went to his web site, I like what I see. I just hope He keeps his principles and doesn’t get caught up in the game. I hope he influences them and not the other way around.

      • Joe H.

        jim,
        you want real irony? springfield happens to be the name of one of the best long guns ever made!!!! Now a Chicago rabble rouser is in the white house and will try to outlaw guns before he’ done!!!

        • jim

          Hi Joe, Thr first rifle I ever fired is a springfield. A single shot, bolt action .22.

          • denniso

            Oh no, more sappy gun love..can you guys go somewhere private w/ that childish talk??

          • c lee

            Look out jim dennisio just woke up get out the bug spray, I just hate pesky nats.

          • jim

            Hi Denniso, Was anybody talking to you? Just because you are naturaly grouchy, doesn’t mean others can’t have a freindly chat.

          • Joe H.

            jim,
            That was the second one that I ever fired!! I hated it as I’m a lefty! the first one for me was a 22 nylon stock w/ the diamonds on the stock. Dam I’m getting forgetful!I had to go down and see what make it was – yes I’ve still got it, it was my dads and since he died it is mine now!! I love that little rifle, it still shoots true and straight hits what you aim at!!! Great for “varmints”, if you get my drift!!!

        • Joe H.

          jim,
          I am forgetful!!! It’s a Remington.

  • DaveH

    Hey, I’ve got a great idea! David Long, Winnie, Denniso, and all the other “compassionate” Liberals can get together and start their own Health Insurance and HealthCare Provider companies that will offer low-cost insurance and healthcare for all the needy people. Wouldn’t that be great? And maybe you could even get the ACLU to help you with your companies’ legal problems free of charge because they are so considerate. Then everybody would be happy. Right?

    • DaveH

      Of course they won’t take me up on that idea because Liberals are stingy with their own money. They are only Compassionate with Other Peoples’ Money.

      • DaveH

        Why, for instance, is there any such thing as a Multi-Millionaire or Billionaire Liberal? Why can’t they just set aside enough to provide themselves a decent living, and give the rest away?
        I’ll answer that – they are hooked on OPM. They don’t want to give their own money away, they want to give Other Peoples’ Money away.

        • denniso

          Ted Turner gave tens of millions to the U.N. to further their work toward a more peaceful world. Most liberals w/ money give much of it away. Bill Gates and his wife and father are giving a billion or so to stop malaria from killing the millions it does around the world. They are liberals…Most billionaires are repubs because they put $$ before everything else in life and they’re willing to do anything at all to make or steal it.

          • Joe H.

            Yeah because he felt guilty after having screwed so many people on his software deals with the stores!!!! He just as much as stopped any competition and then put out a faulty product!!!

          • denniso

            JoeyH…gates and turner got wealthy the American way, and you don’t like that??

          • Joe H.

            Dennislobber,
            Since when is it the American way to screw people with faulty products??? May be your American way but not mine!!!!

          • Tinwarble

            Hey DemshO,

            Is the money Ted Turner gave to the UN the money that they sent their “Peace Keepers” over to Africa with so that they could rape women there. Or maybe it’s the money they use so they could get their “Oil for Food” scam going. Good grief!

          • Tinwarble

            And, Bill Gates is charitable, don’t make me laugh. He could buy every country in Africa, remodel it & call it Gates-Land (it would be like DisneyLand, only geeky & every time you got going good on a ride it would crash & then you would have to call someone in India who doesn’t speak english) & he would still be the richest man in the world.

          • Tinwarble

            And as far as Republicans being charitable, even though I’ve posted this before, here I go, one more time. While researching his book “Who Really Cares”, Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks, says “When you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money.” Now I no this doesn’t re-enforce your liberal ideas, but sorry facts are facts.

          • denniso

            ….Liberals and conservatives both are sometimes charitable. Your ‘fact’ is dubious at best and even if real, is probably warped by conservatives donating $$ to their churches,under dictate by their minister/priest/preacher so they can believe they will buy their way into heaven. Most churches ‘suggest’ 10% of income in donation. Now, true,some of that goes into good charity..most is used to keep the institution and often the wealthy preacher going.

          • Tinwarble

            Demsho

            You don’t have to take my word on it, just Google Authur Brooks. As, for his data, well, I can’t speak to that, you’ll just have contact him to see how real it is. However, your assertion that Christians are just trying to buy their way into heaven is unfounded & pretty much intolerant (which you Libs seems to always be when it’s not your view), apparently you don’t count charities like the Salvation Army, Compassion International, Feed the Children or thousands of other reputable Christian Charities. Where are all the Liberal Charities, ones that actually help people, not save the whales or stop global warming & not ones giving to the UN rape organization, the ACLU or ACORN. Unlike you Libs who want to give a person a fish so that he might eat for a day, Conservatives & Christians believe in teaching them to fish so that they never go hungry. Or, maybe you fall down on the side of the fish, say that it’s endangered, at that no one should fish for it. Sort of like how Libs are trying to protect a little minnow so now all those farmers can’t grow their crops so they can feed their families. That’s some kind of Charity, I bet those fish really appreciate it.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            In your post you talk about people donating to their church under edict of a parish priest. the big difference being, they can walk away from their church and stay free in their country. they can’t walk away from taxes for long and stay free!!!

          • denniso

            Joe…I’m saying that it’s not exactly voluntary giving if you think your gettin into heaven depends on it. There are many good Christians who help and give and work to make the world a better place..there are also many non Christians who do the same. The good ones don’t usually threaten people w/ their guns or shout lies about their president or fellow citizens or scare old people w/ terms like ‘death pannels’.

          • c lee

            We can see where your head is ( that is when its not up your but).You seem to think christens think they are buying there way to heaven oh but contrair my freind we are itteligent people we know we cannot buy our way to heavon we also know that we dont ask anyone to maintain our churches and our programs or pay our ministers etc. etc. Maybe though that would be ok fore you and your religion or the lack there of. Wait shhhh I think I hear your mommy calling, yes she wants you to make your bed and take out the dog.

    • http://n/a Winnie

      Hey DaveH, I already help many less fortunate people in my home. I help feed some of the hungry children in my community. I knit and make blankets for the homeless, I counsel women who are in conflict with the law. What do you do?

      • Joe H.

        Winnie,
        how could there be homeless and hungry in that paradise up north? you say you counsel women that are in conflict with the law. Do you counsel them to own up to what they did wrong or how to get away with it?? Personal Responsibility and all you know!!!!

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Joe H. Please take a look around the world and see how many original people of the countries are poor and homeless because of the money-hungry and power-hungry people. United States of America has her own concentration camps called the “indian” reservations. Many of the women in conflict with the law are in conflict because of the Christian taught, male dominated and domination that have caused women to end up in jail because they dare to fight back against their chauvinistic male partners. What have you done to help make your country a better place to live in for all the people?

          • chuck b

            winnie

            in some instance i agree with you, in some of our dealings, military and political they didn’t fare too well, to some extent the reservations were a disaster, but, i think welfare has caused the indian people more problems than anything and again it was meant in the beginning to help them. it took the initiative to succeed away. you might look around at our cities and get a good idea how well the public dole helps. as far as your women getting in trouble beating up on their
            husbands, tell them to bury the hatchet!! and they will stay out of jail.

          • jim

            Hi Winnie, A concentration camp is built to hold prioners in. All a Native American has to do to get off the reservation is sober up enough to find a better place to live and get a job to suport themselves, just like all the rest off us have to do. The only thing holding them there is there own lack of initiative.

        • Joe H.

          Actually they don’t even have to sober up!! They can leave the res anytime they wish!! Tell their leaders to give up some of the casino money they’re making or tell them to give up some of the un-regulated cigarette money they make. Why are almost all of the res schools and health centers built by outside interests?

      • denniso

        Good work Winnie, and thanks for your rational civility here..maybe you can shame some of these bullies into being more civil and tolerant and less bigoted. Please don’t let them run you off w/ their bluster and name calling. Hi to Canada..

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Denneiso, thanks for the encouraging words. I get such a kick out of the childish comments of some of these people. There are some who write with an open mind but I am still baffled by the hatred that these childish people have for their president. How sad that they do not see that they are showing their character when they write such hate and evil words, I’ve read how they have tried to put you down, but it makes them look more ridiculous. God bless.

          • chuck b

            whinne

            you and denniso must be related, accusing other people of name calling and childish behavior. the best cure for your statement is to go back and look at both of your past remarks to anyone that counteracts your ignorance.this is typical of the liberal mindset.

          • Joe H.

            chuck b.,
            Have you noticed that Eyes wide open is gone and now winnie shows up, both GREATLY loyal to dennislobber??? Strange isn’t it?

          • denniso

            Some of us don’t threaten violence against those we don’t like and direct raw hatred at their president and elected officials. Some of us try to use reason when discussing the issues and think others have a right to state their opinions,w/o resorting to extreme hyperbole. Some of us are civil and ocassionally get angry or frustrated when others suggest we leave the country and are not ‘real americans’. Some of us will actually listen to other opinions if they are expressed intelligently and in a civil manner. Some of us are not just hotheads just looking to shout down people.

  • Claire

    Not to change the subject but I found out that Springfield, IL is taking $ 300,000.00 from the stimulus money that Illinois received–this money is going towards building a new bike trail! Why am I not surprised? This state is in a financial shambles. More of the same. The elections of 2010 and 2012 will NOT do any good here.

  • Willy G

    Hey everyone we should all be proud to let denniso give an opinion. Just try to have your ideas published online on a liberal site. I’ve tried to on Media Matters and others and guess what? They only allow posting of thoughts that agree with theirs. While denniso has been deceived by the best we should be happy to allow the misguided to speak.

    Who knows maybe the light will get through and denniso will become a great spokesperson for reality. Meanwhile enjoy the banter, it is a lot funner than everyone agreeing on all our problems.

    • chuck b

      willy

      i agree!! he adds a little spice to the conversation and if we agreed on everything it would get rather boring. he’s not always wrong, just most of the time.

      • jim

        I just don’t know why he takes himself so seriusly,we don’t.

        • Joe H.

          jim,
          Of course I take him serious!!! about as serious as the peanuts comic strip!!!! HEHEHE!

          • chuck b

            joe h

            could it be that eyes.denniso and winnie are the same person??? hahaha
            there logic does coincide.

    • denniso

      I’ve talked to many right wingers so you guys are nothing new..infact you’re all exactly the same,the only diff is that some are more civil,if barely. Most are typically bullies who think that shouting and cursing and threatening and waving guns around really scares us and adds to their delusional sense of ‘reality’. Most want to be copies of john wayne or george patton and are angry that the world is leaving them behind in it’s slow progression toward a better future. Most rightwingers are reactionaries and not deep thinkers so they get stuck on black and white rather than seeing the complexity of our problems. Of course, many rightwingers have no education or a lousy one,which often explains they’re rages rather than careful and often introspective thinking. Most of your type are light weights.

  • http://n/a Winnie

    Reading some of the comments made by (I won’t name names)makes me wonder how ol these people are. Name-calling and assuming and just making dumb comments. Jim I would like for you to try walking in an American Natives shoes for a year than tell me that we get the same opportunities as you do. Sure The treaties promsed 5% of all the resources from the land, timber, oil, natural gas, gold, and other “riches”, but by the time the Natives get their share the non-Natives get very very few % of what is entitled to them. Read your treaties sometime. The Native Americans do not even own the natural resources on their land. Some treaties were changed bcause the white men found gold in the reservation (The Souix Nation), Before you begin to think that the Natives have no intiatives, study the true history of the good old U.S. of A.

    • jim

      Those treaties were made in the late 1800′s. Then they were held on a reservation, now they are free to go anywhere in this country they want to. Many leave, get educated and go make something of themselves like all the rest of us non-rez dwellers have to. I’m not asking them to do any more than I have to. The rest sit on the rez, feeling sorry for themselves and don’t do anything to help themselves. I have traveled all across the western U.S. and seen The reservations first hand and met the people living there. Sometimes the truth isn’t PC and I know alot more of U.S. history than some one from another country does.

    • denniso

      Winnie…did you say that you’re a native?? If so, I salute you and wish you the best for your and Canada’s future..happy new year!

      • http://n/a Winnie

        Yes Denniso, I am a Native American. Born in Alaska where Palin struck it when she married a Yupik Eskimo. Poor man. I married a handsome young man in 1969 (40 yrs ago) Did you see the one comment by some stupid that you and I could be on person.

  • Joe H.

    Winnie,
    My grandmother on my fathers side was half blood Cherokee and my great grand mother on my mothers side was Dakota, so I guess I know a little about them. You, on the other hand, were the one that was accusing the white man of poisoning the native Americans with blankets infested with MALARIA that can’t be spread that way and some other sickness that can’t be spread that 3way as well. IT WAS CHICKENPOX!!!! The Native American had no natural immunity to it and it killed most of them that came in contact with it!!! Try again lady, any Native American would know that!!!

    • Joe H.

      I got so upset I confused smallpox and chickenpox!!! It was smallpox in the blankets, however, many Native Americans also died from chickenpox and many other white diseases simply because they had no natural resistance!!!

    • jim

      I believe that it was the British that sold the infected blankets to the Indians, when we were still a colony. Not the U.S. yet. Since I don’t know U.S. history as good as a Canadian I’ll try my hand at British history.

      • denniso

        No Jim, it was the Americans.

        • jim

          Hi Denniso, It Happened before the Revolutionary war. The infected blankets were traded to the Indians by British traders.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Reply to Jim. You stupid, stupid american. I’ll remind you that millions of Native Americans were massacred by your army. Men, women, children, and Elders. When they all didn’t die off, the American soldiers traded smallbox-infested blankets to them for the precious fur. Read your history and try to understand what the “Great White Father” and his soldiers did to genoside the True American People.

    • http://n/a Winnie

      Joe H. I will not argue with a man who is little bit American Native and who does not understand the history of the U.S.A. What a big mouth you have with such little knowledge.

      • jim

        Hi Winnie, The incident you are refering to happened during the French& Indian war. Lord Jeffrey Amherst was the Comanding General Of British Forces in North America. Pre- U.S. During the siege of Fort Pitt, by Chief Pontiac of the Ottawa Tribe, the BRITISH soldiers sent infected blankets out to infect the members of the tribe. Both the white& red warriors did their share of masacreing whole familys. It’s not one sided. Before the Europeans showed up the different tribes were pretty good at ethnic cleansing among them selves. I guess this STUPID American knows a bit more about the history of this than the superior Canadian mind does. Millions of natives massacred? I didn’t know the native population was that high. With that many warriors they should have beaten the thousands that won the war.

  • http://n/a Winnie

    No Jim. The American Natives helped the first people from Europe to survive the winters in Plymoth and other places where the new comers were suffering. Later the few dirty rotten, greedy Europeons started settling the land of the Native people and calling it their own. They wanted to claim all the riches that North America had. All the gold, all the timber. all the fish, all the bisons. Before the Europeons arrived there was no such thing as ethnic cleansing nor was there no such practice as the scalp taking. Sex was never considered a sin, two-spirited people were respected for who they were, All children and Elders were priority to the communities. Grandmothers were held in the highest respect because they never had any hidden agends. Their only agenda was to keep the community safe, secure, and healthy for the children. Hunting was kept to a minimum, the land was respected and held in trust for the next seven generations to come. You stupid have absolutely no knowledge of the Amnerican Native lives before or after colombus

    • jim

      You actually beleieve there was no warfare between tribes, before the Eurpoeans showed up? Just ask the Flatheads about the Crow. There was plenty of killing going on between them. If you could get the word stupid out of your entrys and quit making the assumtion that because I won’t rewrite history to acomidate your preconcieved notions of what is reality and how you want it to be, it could have been an interesting and enlightening exchange of ideas. I’m not the dimwit you believe I am and you should take your own advice and read a book. I know that the British start the pracice of scalping, but it didn’t take the noble red man long to start doing it too. The tomahawk is a whiteman design also. The indians just perfected the use of it while they were masacering the whole families of settlers.

      • http://n/a Winnie

        Jim I apologize. I just wish that when the Americans talk about themselves, they include those who were here before them. I admit that I must be biased to some extend, but I wish I could show you the destructive force of Christianity and some greedy white men have done to my culture and the way of life we lived. Give me some time to get up to date, I’m 62.

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