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Google And Taxes

December 12, 2012 by  

Google And Taxes
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Google, Inc. wants to keep the money it earns. In 2011, the company shifted about $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company in order to avoid about $2 billion in worldwide taxes.

Google employs more than 53,000 people and annually pays $1.5 billion in taxes worldwide. Those employees spend money and pay taxes. An untold number of ancillary businesses — that also pay taxes and employ thousands more people who also pay taxes — exist because of Google.

But that is not good enough. Countries around the world are angry because they want more of Google’s money. An article in Bloomberg Businessweek states: “The increase in Google’s revenues routed to Bermuda, disclosed in a Nov. 21 filing by a subsidiary in the Netherlands, could fuel the outrage spreading across Europe and in the U.S. over corporate tax dodging. Governments in France, the U.K., Italy and Australia are probing Google’s tax avoidance as they seek to boost revenue during economic doldrums.”

The French tax authority raided Google’s Paris offices in June 2011 and removed computer files as part of its examination into Google’s “tax avoidance” practices. The agency proposed increasing Google’s income taxes by about $1.3 billion.

Google said it complies with all tax rules. The same article states: “‘We also employ over 2,000 people, help hundreds of thousands of businesses to grow online, and invest millions supporting new tech businesses in East London,’ the Mountain View, California-based company said in a statement.”

Google is not alone. Large corporations the world over pay armies of accountants and lawyers to find the best ways to keep the money they earn. So why are countries going after Google and not all the other companies? Google must have made someone very angry.

Many in the class envy crowd will be outraged to learn that Google used “loopholes” in order to keep $2 billion of its own money. They will say that Google should pay its “fair share.”

No one can explain what a “fair share” is, how it is determined or who has the moral authority to declare what it is. People just know there is one and that “the evil rich” should pay it.

Next spring, those same people will go to their tax preparer — if they pay taxes — and expect him or her to use all available “loopholes” in order to receive the largest refund possible. They don’t mind paying their “fair share” or even know what it is, but they believe it is as little as possible.

Right now, President Barack Obama and Weeper of the House John Boehner are negotiating your loopholes away. Your loopholes include charitable contribution credits, childcare credits, child credits, education expense credits and mortgage deductions. They are not discussing cutting out corporate or farm welfare or reducing the military budget or individual welfare reform or reducing the size of government — at least in any meaningful way. In fact, Obama is proposing more spending for his cronies and favored industries (including more failed “green” technologies) and higher taxes to pay for it.

Governments always want more money. Governments never cut spending. They are a gang of thieves. They will plunder until there is nothing left. We are nearing that time.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • independant thinker

    “Governments always want more money. Governments never cut spending. They are a gang of thieves. They will plunder until there is nothing left. We are nearing that time.”

    How true.

    • Robert Smith

      Corporations always want more money. Corporations never increase benefits. They are a gang of thieves. They will plunder until there is nothing left. We are nearing that time.

      They hold the very lives of employees in their cash registers by funding insurance that costs so much an individual can’t afford it. They are slaves to the corporations.

      BP, Monsanto…

      Rob

      • John F.

        Anyone/corporation that trys to avoid paying taxes is Anti-American. They utilize the american economic system to gain profit / get rich and then scheme to avoid paying taxes
        which is a vital aspect of a health economic.

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “Corporations always want more money. Corporations never increase benefits. They are a gang of thieves. They will plunder until there is nothing left”.
        How do corporations steal your money, Robert, excepting the Crony Capitalists who rely on the Force of Government to accomplish their goals?

      • KTH

        I’m a small business person and I’m sick of Government sticking its filthy hands in my pockets. I’m tired of working more hours to make less money and hear people say we don’t pay our fair share. What a bunch of bs!

      • Steve E

        The real truth is that all governments are evil and corrupt. It is the moral obligation of everyone not to give them a dime. No one is obligated to support evil, they are obligated to destroy it. Let all the evil governments go broke, and let all those that depend on the evil government suffer. Maybe they will learn something then.

      • Vigilant

        John F. says, “Anyone/corporation that trys [sic] to avoid paying taxes is Anti-American. They utilize the american economic system to gain profit / get rich and then scheme to avoid paying taxes.”

        “Anti-American?” Hell, even the IRS encourages tax avoidance. Tax avoidance is not only legal, it’s smart, and certainly NOT anti-American.

        Learn the difference between “avoidance” and “evasion.” It’s a big one.

      • Vigilant

        RS: “They are slaves to the corporations.”

        Spoken like a true Marxist.

      • Mike in MI

        DaveH -
        David, David, David. Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU! Great link! Everyone go up and inform yourselves. It’ll help keep your blood pressure in check when you understand that they (and who an how to spot) are literally The Devil’s Advocates.
        There have been some of these posters on here I’ve quit talking with, for the most part, for a long time. Why don’t we all just stop replying to the propagandists – except to label them for what they are!

      • Mike in MI

        OOPS! Clicked the wrong “REPLY” button. My above post is in relation to his 9:13 am post below.

      • jt

        Robert Smith says: “Corporations always want more money. Corporations never increase benefits.”

        Posting lies and baseless assumptions once again, huh robby?

        Your statement is presented as pure fact and universal truth. Nothing could be further from the reality of it.

        While there ARE indeed some bad actors in the corporate world, and they do engage in unscrupulous practices where their employees are concerned, it is NOT a universal condition. There have been numerous cases of corporations seeing phenomenal success, and passing large portions of that profit on to employees, in the form of gratuitous bonuses for all employees, full company payment of healthcare, generous company contributions to 401-K plans, expanded paid vacations and family leave time, etc…

        Portrayal of all things business as evil, greedy and sinister, then painting the entire business world with that wide brush seems to give you great personal satisfaction. The next time you break out that wide brush of yours, just remember that not everyone sees your artwork as you see it, because some of us prefer reality.

      • Bill

        Robert,
        You should boycott those terrible corporations that make those dastardly products and screw everyone in the process. Start by getting rid of your cell phone, computer and car.

        Use your creativity and I am sure you can think of others things too such as electricity, natural gas and oil

      • momo

        Gee, Smith I thought you’d love the idiots that own Google, after all they supported Obama. I guess they’re just greedy capitalists at heart that don’t want to support Obama’s vision of America by paying for it.

      • s c

        Hey, Bubba. If you’d like some credibility – for a change – take a hard look at the world’s WORST corporation. I thought utopians had a permanent erection (so to speak) for ALL corporations. In your world, does “all” really mean A L L ?
        Take a hard look at the Federal Reserve, comrade – if you DARE. Then, we can compare notes, and you just might have a reason to get up in the morning, crawl out of that cave (with a lot of help) and become a functional, thinking H U M A N !
        We’re WAITING, comrade.

      • Robert Smith

        DaveH asks: “How do corporations steal your money, ”

        Enron, and a bunch of others.

        Here is an entire book about it: http://www.amazon.com/Enron-Other-Corporate-Fiascos-Scandal/dp/1599413361

        Rob

      • Mike in MI

        UH-H-h-h, Rob (good name fer a utopian) Smith -
        That book about Enron,uhm-m-m? Didn’t they somehow grow up in cohoots with the Clinton cabal in the ’90s? and in order for them to have built the financial empire they did they had to be wedded to the Utah, Oregon and California governments in order to so totally screw everybody…AND get away with ALL the LOOT. Betcha anything he’s not dead but living in seclusion. Somebody will talk some day.
        Thanks for bringing that up, Rob.

      • Robert Smith

        Mike claims: “Didn’t they somehow grow up in cohoots with the Clinton cabal in the ’90s?”

        Nawwww… They made some donations.

        However Bush is another story: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/enron_republican.htm

        “Bush “was in bed with Enron before he ever held a political office,” reports Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice.”

        Rob

      • Alan

        Bad news Robert. It’s called “commerce”. Corporations produce a product which you as a consumer are under no obligation to purchase. You give them your money “willingly”, so please explain to the rest of us how you can imagine them being “thieves”.

        • http://www.acalculatedresponse.com Michael Murray

          Government always want more money. Government never increases benefits in real terms. They are a gang of thieves. They will plunder until there is nothing left. We are nearing that time. They hold the very lives of citizens in their cash inflation by funding programs that cost so much a nation can’t afford it.

          Yup, that sounds about right.

          Six trillion in new debt in only four years? I remember someone calling one quarter of that amount “unpatriotic”.

    • Ron The Marine

      rob, there you go again, changing the subject like the true liberal dumb-ass you are! obama the race card player is going to remove the few last deductions still in effect for hardworking Americans so he and the demoncrats can take more of our money to buy more votes from those who pay nothing! (but are sure they are entitled to everything!). Why do you liberal a-holes continue to respond to Bob’s posting that are intended for like-minded conservatives? I know it is because you and your dumb-ass friends are thirsty for the TRUTH, which you would not recognize if it hit you in your liberal balls!

      Semper Fi

      • DaveH
      • Tom W

        I just spit my oatmeal onto my monitor laughing. Thanks…

      • Steve E

        DaveH, a very good and true article. Now we know what eddy, Robert Smith, Flashy and the other shills do for a living.

      • Bill

        Right on, Ron
        Go get em

      • Robert Smith

        “Could this be the answer?”

        Really! I WISH I could make some money at this but alas I’m simply doing it to get the truth out.

        But, oops! Who derailed the discussion to “shills” rather than the issue of how corporations are skipping out on taxes?

        DaveH, are you a shill? After all, it’s YOU who brought it up.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        I doubt that you’re a shill. Who would pay you to post that nonsensical stuff you post? Well, maybe a Conservative trying to make Liberal Progressives look bad.

      • Robert Smith

        Got anything to say about issues, or are you into personal attacks?

        Rob

      • Mike in MI

        Rob Smut -
        Oh sure, right! DaveH is a shill, like you’re the good witch in “Somewhere Over the Rainbow”. You’d fit more cast as Toto the dog with that yellow brick road mentality. DaveH has been on this site for years – before there were such Obama campaign creations as trolls, shills and mentally defective mutant hacks who have to get words on our screens – no matter how implausible, disjointed or disingenuous.

      • Mike in MI

        Rob -
        DaveH has been on here for years, long before your dirty fingers sludged our thoughts or darkened our days.

      • Robert Smith

        From Mike: “the good witch in “Somewhere Over the Rainbow””

        Do you mean “The Wizard of Oz?”

        Things just haven’t been the same since that house fell on her sister.

        Rob

    • Bill

      “Paying Their Fair Share” is a great mantra to quote when the polititians real intentions are to steal your money and funnel it to their special interest groups. And the public falls for it again and again.

      Open your eyes people, you are being scammed

      • eddie47d

        Yes the wealthy are always scamming the poor and Middle Class for that is why they are rich. They certainly aren’t stupid but they sure are unethical!

      • Robert Smith

        Bill says: “Open your eyes people, you are being scammed”

        Really…

        Who really built the roads and airports, etc. used by corporations to ship their good?

        Who educated their workforce?

        etc.

        Rob

    • Jerry

      I have to agree. ALL governments claim they need the revenue, but they never consider doing what most Americans and citizens all over the world have to do… LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS! Right now my 1989 Chevy pick-up is dead, and I can’t afford a newer truck that I desperately need for work. But the Feds can steal 25% of my gross income and millions of other taxpayers’ money away to buy trailers for Sandy victims, only to have them sitting empty and rotting in a parking lot, just like they did after Katrina. You want disaster relief? Get the G** d***ed government out of our lives and let us take care of ourselves! Deliver the mail, fix the roads, protect the country, and quit giving billions of OUR money to countries that are trying to kill us.

  • Warrior

    So, we have a prez and a senate who are not interested in reforming SS and medicare. We have a repub congress that’s been sitting on their hands since the beginning of 2011. THis whole time they could have been having committee hearings and formulating bills on C-span for all to see and showing the american people they are serious about righting the ship but they haven’t.

    Anyone else believe we’re being played?

    • brett

      yup! and duh! this site contributes considerably!

      • DaveH

        How so, Brett?

      • Mike in MI

        Gee, brett, if that’s your heart felt opinion – - – LEAVE US. That would be a wise man’s reaction. I know you’re a wise man.
        ‘Baiyyeeee-e-e—-

    • Vigilant

      Warrior, of course we’re being played. Not one member of either party is committed to doing anything more than putting band aids on a body that should be in intensive care.

      They’re doing this by playing the usual tricks on the ignorant public, i.e., re-defining the meaning of “budget cuts” to mean “slowing the spending increases” that are an automatic feature of baseline budgeting. Nothing is saved, no real cuts are made.

      Jimmy Carter was incompetent as president, but his “zero-based” budgeting ideas were dead on, ideas that are anathema to a political class that is interested only in maintaining power.

      The only headway this nation will ever make regarding a fiscally and monetarily sound system will come about when the politicos undertake the suggestions of Ron Paul. And that means, simply, that the medicine prescribed by Dr. Paul will only be administered after the body is already dead.

      • Mike in MI

        Vigilant -
        Well, if you’ve been watching what’s happening here in Lansing, MI you are being given a perfect window of insight into who, how and why the unions (and government) prey on to keep THEIR windfall profits safe (maybe, “windbag” is more appropo). Notice how many of those union members bear a belly up resemblance to that bacon-hound councilwoman in DEEtroit?
        I’ll bet you that half of those union people, if you could research the state’s DHS files, are taking some form of state assistance. There are ertain forms and communictions they are supposed to send to their case workers when living status changes occur. They Just Never SEND it.
        Those people are thieves … just thieves. But they visit some local emporium every Friday to get a pound of absolution and trundle out on their Amigo…satisfied they got as much as they can get there, too.

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Mike who posted: “I’ll bet you that half of those union people, if you could research the state’s DHS files, are taking some form of state assistance. ”

        Why should we accept what you are willing to bet on as fact?

        YOU do the research.

        When you’ve got it I’ll look at it.

        Rob

      • Mike in MI

        I have a very, very close acquaintance who works for the DHS. The stories the person relates – never with names, or IDing info about individual cases – has told horrors about the cretins and cockroaches that crawl in for assistance. Some of them arriving in and driving THE BEST cars. They have children and neglect or abandon them to grandparents or to get bounced around in the foster care jungle where they are made to turn into the worst kind of dangling participles in the world.
        You think this country has a prayer of continuity under liberalism? Where do you think all these thieves and murderers come from? Not from stable families where the kids have even an inkling of what a loving (or just even present) humane parent is. Anaechists? The welfare system is breeding them.

      • Mike in MI

        rob -
        You really DON’T understnd what goes into research or even gathering your own info do you? What do think there would be to research if the corn-pone people won’t hand in the damn forms and are allowed to get away with it?
        Somebody really must be handing you all your stuff that you work from – without understanding. No wonder your commenting is so shallow and void of content.
        Somebody gives you a word pile and a manure shovel … But the brain bucket is bereft of any substance.
        Pity

      • Robert Smith

        Mike says: “I have a very, very close acquaintance who works for the DHS.”

        So? Is there a reference that you can post. I can make up stories too but I’d rather see evidence.

        For example, I have a close friend who claims to know your hair dresser who said that the trim you got last time made a little nick and parts of you are rotting away ready to fall off. When are you going to take care if that?

        BTW, I don’t need any evidence for the above because I made it up as an example of just how trustworthy the “I have a…” is.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Mike says: “You really DON’T understnd what goes into research or even gathering your own info do you?”

        Sure I understand.

        And! I also understand that when an attempt to make a point has so many holes in it that it can’t be documented I ask for documentation.

        So buddy, I suggest you do YOUR research when you go to poost something on this forum that demands support.

        As I clearly demonstrated: It’s easy for you to make stuff up. Apparently it’s hard for you to prove things.

        Rob

  • vietnamvet1971

    Good for Google, The Big, Bad, Behemoth, Bloated, Bankrupt, Gimme-mint will take ALL our money to feed this Monster they have Created. The Gimme-mint is the PROBLEM along with TAX, SPEND & WASTE of course they are Experts at these 3 things.

    • “1 FOR YOU, 19 FOR ME” SAYETH THE TAXMAN!

      I couldn’t agree with ‘ya more!!! If the rates were fair, Google &others wouldn’t be doing this…does this tax money ever go towards reducing the debt? NEVER!!!

      As former pol, Jack Kemp said, “Whenever you tax something more, you get less of it!”

      • Vigilant

        “As former pol, Jack Kemp said, ‘Whenever you tax something more, you get less of it!’”

        Absolutely true, as is “whenever you subsidize something, you get more of it.” (read: welfare, unemployment compensation, disability benefits, food stamps, etc.)

      • Robert Smith

        Let’s go back to the tax rates under the great Ronald Reagan!

        Or better yet, Dwight…

        Oops, maybe not for the extreme right. It doesn’t leave enough to satisfy their greed.

        Rob

    • http://www.tax-freedom.com roger

      right on, good for google. as for the rest of you, see who REALLY OWES THE TAX before you start shaking fingers at anyone. Google is innocent, and they have ZERO employees as defined in the INTERNAL REVENUE CODE, try reading it sometime.

      • http://yahoo Larry

        I don’t think anyone should read the tax code, if they did they would see that the govt has been putting people in prison for years for breaking a law that doesn’t exist. If you ever do end up in court and try to produce the tax code as evidence you will be charged with contempt of court. Ask Irv Schiff.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        These days, the “bought and paid for” federal judges won’t even allow you to bring in the tax code as evidence of their huge scam on the American people. That would be too dangerous for them as there are still some people out there serving on juries who have a working brain.

        Irwin Schiff and many others figured this massive scheme out many years ago. He and others who are still alive are rotting in federal prisons. Mr. Schiff was absolutely on target when he pegged the so-called “public servants” in D.C. as the “Federal Mafia”.

      • roger

        Okay, fair enough. They (IRS) don’t win every case. See

        http://www.truthattack.org/

        Tommy Cryer (rest his soul) defeated the beast in federal court.
        So, make them PROVE their claim that you are in receipt of taxable income. Make them use the code, (their only weapon) and make them expressly prove that you receive “wages”, if you are just a working stiff like most of us.

    • Bill

      Google is a major job creator, as well as all the ancllary businesses that depend on it

      They should be rewarded with lower or no taxes so they an create more private sector jobs.

      • Robert Smith

        If those jobs are in America. But then shouldn’t Google pay for the education of the workers it hired? Shouldn’t they pay for the roads they use? Shouldn’t they pay for the military protection they get? Shouldn’t they pay for the roads to their offices being plowed?

        Rob

    • ranger09

      Vet, Sorry cant agree, I wish i had 10 Billion I could say pay taxes on 3 billion and not pay taxes on 7 billion. But i just do not make that kind of money to where i can EVADE paying taxes on 7 billion. SO who is paying their fair share, Google or You.

  • GEORGE

    Never, never forget; it is the rich who write the laws! Be they Republican, Democrat, Communist, Socialist or Dictator, the rich (or about to be rich) write the laws. If Google, or any other business, is obeying those laws when they move their money around then they have done nothing wrong. But, the governments won’t change the laws because they want to remain rich and they want the rich to support their future political campaigns. I love that Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Exxon, Apple, etc. have created wealth for themselves and others. If the governments around the world want more tax revenue allow companies to grow and create this type of wealth. It benefits all. Besides, I truly doubt there are more than a dozen members of Congress willing to change the current tax laws. The greedy congressmen want to be re-elected!
    As for the major media outlets and progressives; their only wish is to create class warfare and wreak havoc. But, they will never change the laws because the rhetoric gets them, what is that word, RE-ELECTED.

  • Flashy

    Mr. Livingston…out of curiosity…if one assumes you are against taxation of income to pay for government services…and that the US should slash spending instead of increasing revenues by forcing the rich to pay for their benefits they receive … what, exactly and specifically, would you target for cutting spending on?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Flashy,

      You write: “…what, exactly and specifically, would you target for cutting spending on?” I thought Ron Paul’s Plan to Restore America was a good starting point. http://www.ronpaul.com/media/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “by forcing the rich to pay for their benefits they receive”.
      Wouldn’t it be simpler, Flashman, to just stop giving them all those “benefits they receive”?
      Even better yet, why not make the Government compete with private companies to supply those “benefits they receive” on a voluntarily basis?

      • Flashy

        No DaveH…it wouldn’t be easier. How do you stop building a healthy infrastructure unparallelled anywhere else? How do you stop giving a safe society to live without having brick walls topped with glass shards? How do you stop giving educated society? everything this nation is..they didn’t build it. It was built using private AND public monies, and public monies maintain it for thier benefit, use, and enjoyment.

        Those benefits DaveH..the ones which they enjoy because the Middle Class built this great nation, which they receive their wealth from and derive much of their safety and enjoyment from, which they were the recipients of the largest and greatest redistribution of wealth from the Middle Class from 1981 to today. .

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “How do you stop building a healthy infrastructure unparallelled anywhere else? How do you stop giving a safe society to live without having brick walls topped with glass shards? How do you stop giving educated society?” cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

          You write: “It was built using private AND public monies, and public monies maintain it for thier benefit, use, and enjoyment.” From where does “public monies” come?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        For those people who want to know just how flushed Flashman is:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        The question anybody can ask when confronted with such nonsense, as Flashman’s, is — “If people really desire those things, why wouldn’t they pay voluntarily for them? Why does the Force of Government need to be involved?”
        The answer of course is that Government is the only way to Force people to pay for things they DON’T want, so that the people who do want them can get a Free Ride on the shoulders of those who don’t.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “How do you stop giving a safe society to live without having brick walls topped with glass shards?”.
        I would take an occasional burglary any day over the regular theft of my money that is performed by you and your fellow Progressives, Flashman. And there would be nothing stopping me from voluntarily subscribing to a private security service if I feared such events.

      • Flashy

        Nice use of Latin Mr. Livingston. not on point, but the effort is appreciated.

        You ask “From where does “public monies” come?” From a tax system which, in theory, is progressive. Where the ones receiving the most benefit pay into the system at a rate commensurate with the overall benefit received.

        Had we stayed with the rates which were at the end of the Clinton years, or had we not had two unfunded wars, the debt we now have to pay for would be much less of an issue and may…and i emphasize “may” not be an issue today as it would be lower than what it was in 2000.

        The wealthy have seen their incomes go up at a very very nice rate. the Middle Class has been screwed. The benefits received by the wealthy choosing to live and garner an income here have remained and, the argument may be made, increased. The Middle Class has been burdened by even more taxes, more costs, and now are being asked to pay off a debt which for the most part went to the wealthy.

        If somewhat averred that raising the tax rates on every dollar of personal income over $250,000 is going to have a person decide to move or not, i’d question that comment. i
        d say the grumbling would be there by the wealthiest, but the decision would be move …and where ever they moved would be lower standards than here. Wonder why that would be?

        As for corporations being ‘overtaxed” ? balderdash. The “rate’ may be high, but once all the credits and deductions are put into the formula, they are actually taxed LESS than almost everywhere else. If one were to put on the table that the corporate tax rate would be lowered to Euro rates…as long as the corporation gives the employees the same benefits and the corporation has the same deductions…true level ground … which would you think the selection would be? put that offer on the table and listen to the screams from Corporate America…

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “From a tax system which, in theory, is progressive.” Right. It steals from the producers. And you advocate more theft.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “Where the ones receiving the most benefit pay into the system at a rate commensurate with the overall benefit received.” I believe I have heard that theory expressed somewhere before. Hmmm. Thinking…. Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen!

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Vigilant

        Flashy says, “As for corporations being ‘overtaxed” ? balderdash. The “rate’ may be high, but once all the credits and deductions are put into the formula, they are actually taxed LESS than almost everywhere else.”

        Absolutely false. The USA’s corporate income tax rates are commensurate with the average tax rates of top industrialized nations, AFTER deductions.

        Bottom line: Corporations are overtaxed in ALL of the top industrialized societies.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Nice use of Latin Mr. Livingston. not on point, but the effort is appreciated”.
        That implies, Flashman, that you know what Bob said with that Latin phrase.
        So how about you share that with us?

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston…you write ” Right. It steals from the producers. And you advocate more theft.”

        just the opposite. the Producers, the Makers are the Middle Class. If the mass consumer doesn’t have the ability or means to purchase, where do you think the goods will go and factory output head?

        By insisting the wealthy retain a higher percentage of income than the Middle Class, and receive more benefits from society and the Commons than the middle Class is truly advocating theft and establishment of an aristocratic welfare system.

        While I have read Marx (nice quote book you have), i am not anywhere near a Marxist. I prefer “Le confort du riche dépend sur une provision abondante des pauvres. “

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “The Producers, the Makers are the Middle Class.” Then please define who are the middle class.

          You write: “By insisting the wealthy retain a higher percentage of income than the Middle Class, and receive more benefits from society and the Commons than the middle Class is truly advocating theft and establishment of an aristocratic welfare system.” You misstate my position. I believe all should retain a higher percentage (all) of their income. When the government takes from one, it quashes the forces of the free market and takes money out of the system. When it gives to another it creates bubbles and unbalances the free market by sending money to places it may not have gone. Governments produce nothing but graft and waste and an ever-growing den of thieves.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “From a tax system which, in theory, is progressive. Where the ones receiving the most benefit pay into the system at a rate commensurate with the overall benefit received”.
        That is such a load of typical Liberal Progressive doublespeak, Flashman.
        The people receiving the benefits would be happy to pay voluntarily for such from efficient, polite, private sources. People only need to be Forced (Government is Force) to pay for things they don’t benefit from.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “just the opposite. the Producers, the Makers are the Middle Class. If the mass consumer doesn’t have the ability or means to purchase, where do you think the goods will go and factory output head?”.
        Without the investment in capital machinery and plants, where do you think the goods that people demand would be produced, Flashman? If the “Producers, the Makers are the Middle Class”, Flashman, then what keeps them from producing their own goods to satisfy their own demand?

        For those people who get that fuzzy feeling that Flashman is a Propagandist, who is spouting nonsense, but can’t quite put their finger on the specifics, read this:
        http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

      • DaveH

        Throughout history people in Leadership positions have used their Power to take advantage of the masses. Propagandists like Flashman have paved the way for this to occur by keeping the masses in ignorance about the real workings of an economy.
        Here is an excellent History from the Discovery of America up to the American Revolution. It is an eye-opener for those who don’t really understand the nature of Leaders and their political machinations:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

      • Flashy

        Sigh…yet anothr Mises link for one who cannot think for himself. BTW DaveH, if you don’t know simple yet common latin phrases…i suggest you read the Classics and the Major Philosophers. It has rewarded me … perhaps maybe you too …

        I’d suggest studying Socrates, countered by Aristotle, toss in Plato with a good dose of Bhudda. After you digest that, Shinto, Confucius and the beginnings of Western philosophy reading Cato, Cicero, and perhaps Seneca (though he can be omitted as we head to the Renaissance. Oh wait…i forgot..you say you aced philosophy without reading the Classics …

      • Bill

        Good idea, Dave H,
        Let’s let the private sector compete with government agencies to see if they can run the same programs more effieciently

      • DaveH

        So instead of a translation, I get a long-winded snow job from Flashman.
        Do you really think, Flashman, that the readers are so ignorant as to fall for that?

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston: You write “When it gives to another it creates bubbles and unbalances the free market by sending money to places it may not have gone. ”

        This is where we have a significant divrgence in the role of government 9note i wrote “government”, not the State).

        The free market is attentive to one thing…profit. Immediate and maximum. Society is not the concern of the capitalist free market system.

        The Constitution implicitly recognizes that stating explicitly that the government is to “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare…”. Note the role of the government and the aims of the free market clash…clearly and plainly.

        The free market, without restraint, is a free wheelin’, double dealing, up and down, colorful, wild, the strong eat the weak economic system. Left to its own device, it’s collapse is inevitable, and thus be reborn to continue. It leads to monopolies, which lead to the elimination of free market by the monopolies created. The free market has inherent in it discrimination and stiflement of progress that of labor. For without those inherent elements, it fails in one goal…it fails to “maximize profit”. Thus, social welfare and stability is not a paramount goal nor desire of the free market capitalist system. It is driven by one god, the God of Greed.

        it has an “edge” which feeds, urges, and demands ongoing creativity and invention. Perhaps the best product of the free market system is this “edginess”. But this “edginess’ also has very high peaks, and very low lows. It is not designed for stability nor does it cotton to control.

        Government is just the opposite. It, in theory, provides for stability, continuity (for the basic genetic role of government is to ensure its continuance), and plainness.

        Again..all this is theory, as was your statement above.

        Government is to provide a level paying field, restrict monopolistic growth, and ensure the society is safe from predation. Thus the Justice.

        Government is to keep the society restful. it has a role in taking care of the citizenry. Either through provision of comfort or by the sword. Thus there is a cost to society to provide for the satisfaction and tranquility of society. One of the first losing propositions of government since the Constitution was the establishment of the Post Office. Heck…the origins of the US Postal service predates the Constitution (1775 Ben Franklin appointed first Post Master). That service could not then, nor could it now, provide quick, easy, efficient service to ALL if it were a private concern. Yet..who would dispute the value of the Post Office, especially to the small towns and rural communities. ?

        And provide for general Welfare. i believe this to encompass several aspects. And there is a balance here between the free market. one is to provide a safety net for society. In this nation, one should not go hungry, should not lack medical care, and should have a roof over their heads. no one is saying they should all be equal, but there should be a minimum, We, as Americans, say we will let our fellow citizens and kin have available. .

        Government relies upon the market to provide the resources to allow for it to carry out its Mission. And the free market relies upon government to give it a platform to operate.

        It’s also the role of government to see something, and say “that is good for cosiety’ and thus promote its development. In the best of all worlds, into a profitable venture for the free market to take hold. We have the canal system, railroads, telephone, electrical grid, the birth control pill, the Space program, the internet … all would maybe…just maybe, been developed by private enterprise, but much later and at a more chaotic and slower pace.

        THAT is the roles that the free market and government have, and the balance is always the shifting base for each to work with. Right now, I see the base as far to the one side of favoring the Free market … and it’s inevitable ending because of monopolistic and oligarhcical creations and societal unrest.

        And thus, plain as the summer day in Beijing China, is the crux of our divergent viewpoints.

      • DaveH

        They must be threatening to fire Flashman from his shilling position. He seems to be getting frantic.
        Flashman says — “The free market is attentive to one thing…profit. Immediate and maximum. Society is not the concern of the capitalist free market system”.
        Society is not the concern of the Capitalist Free Market system? Sure Flashman. Exactly who purchases their products if they don’t please their consumers? Unlike the Government, they haven’t assumed the Power to just take our money, so how do they make those profits if they don’t please the consumers, Flashman?
        In fact in Free Markets, companies are virtual slaves to the consumers whose fickle tastes can change overnight and leave those companies, who don’t work hard to adjust, in the dust. Companies can only ignore their consumers with the complicity of Crony Politicians who aid them with subsidies, price controls, quotas, regulations, tariffs, etc. at the expense of their competitors, the taxpayers, and their consumers.

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        If Government provides all those necessary services that people can’t do without, then why don’t people willingly pay for them? Why do they have to be Forced to pay?
        Oh, I forgot, it’s 3PM, past Flashman’s quitting time.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “Sigh…yet anothr Mises link for one who cannot think for himself. ”

        Fortunately for us the links provided by DaveH are far more enlightening than anything you have presented as evidence of your ability to think.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “The free market is attentive to one thing…profit. Immediate and maximum. Society is not the concern of the capitalist free market system. ”

        The free market is attentive to many things. Individuals operating in a free market can, if they wish, be attentive to profit. Profit creates Competition. Competition is good. Government suppresses competition. Government is bad.

        (My simple logic should really drive the liberals into a frenzy :) )

      • Robert Smith

        Flashy asks: “As for corporations being ‘overtaxed” ?”

        Huh?????? Aren’t they “people” now as they try to buy elections?

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “Competition is good. Government suppresses competition. Government is bad.”

        Really? And corporations like Monsanto are allowed to create menopolies… NO competition.

        And the frankenfood is bad for Americans..

        Rob

      • vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “Really? And corporations like Monsanto are allowed to create menopolies… NO competition.”

        And how does Monsanto create a monopoly without using the power of government?

        Robert Smith: “And the frankenfood is bad for Americans.. ”

        Then don’t eat it.

      • Robert Smith

        “so that the people who do want them can get a Free Ride on the shoulders of those who don’t.”

        Do you mean like the Bush wars, the bridges to nowhere, and the bottomless corporate welfare?

        I’d like to stop all that garbage.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Vicki asks: “And how does Monsanto create a monopoly without using the power of government?”

        Patented seeds. Well, if you want to count a patent as government intervention… Oh well. You lose.

        Rob

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Robert Smith,

          You write: “Patented seeds. Well, if you want to count a patent as government intervention… Oh well. You lose.” It is more than just patented seeds. Monsanto is the 4th branch of government. My article Monday will explain. Stay tuned.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “Vicki asks: “And how does Monsanto create a monopoly without using the power of government?”

        Patented seeds.”

        Patented seeds do not make a monopoly. Stop whining and go patent your own seeds.

    • Mike in MI

      Flashy –
      I know your talking points and Thesaurus couldn’t afford you a reptile’s view of the facts. BUT, truth be told, the laws of economics have been so badly bent and twisted (for courting mutants like yourself) they’re about due to snap back in line, like Ecological laws (which, in effect they are), that WILL snap back to the “norm”. When that happens the most abnormal, specialized, “small niche” organisms like yourself are, thankfully, written off the list of viable life forms.

      • Mike in MI

        Flush – re: your 10:52 post above and ALL your reading.

        Sir, you aren’t educated; you are massively confused. There was one book I failed to see in your list. It’s the one upon which all of our “great”, long abiding universities out east proceeded from. It’s the one about which it was said that if you read everything else in the world, yet, remained ignorant of that one you would still be unlearned…
        Bible, anyone?
        That’s why, since you are so unlearned in spiritual matters, from the perspective of the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, “fleshy” is such an appropriate moniker.

      • Flashy

        Mike, i rely on the theories of Economics as applicable to a consumer driven economy coupled with an international view of trade and emerging (as well as declining) geographical growth with history tossed into the mix.

        What do you rely upon for your statements? .

      • Mike in MI

        dear fleshy -
        I have just entered a post below with which you may wish to entertain yourself. See, you speak of Economics THEOries. “Theo” – Greek for “god”. Well, if the THEOry came from god, or a god in somebody’s pantheon, or covers something in the world some god oversees, then which god of their pantheon gave it to some man to explicate? Or, if some person proposes the theory or theories as though it were “truth” and you believe it (him), don’t you put him in the place of being god to you? Sure do. Act on it and that’s worship. Teach it and it’s a form of glorification.
        Could you have the wrong “god”? (Don’t think for a second that your stupid little five senses are sufficient to transduce the entire spectrum of knowledge to your brain about the entirety of the world you inhabit.) There are evidently laws in the physical, chemical, health, genetic, mathematical, thermodynamic spheres to which we are absolutely subjected. What makes you think that there aren’t also, ecological, economic, social and other “laws” that you may bend or play one thing against another. But, if you have no idea where the !BREAK! point is, You’d better not mess.

        I stick with the highest Authority I EVER had brought to me… God’s faithful, accurate, incontrovertible, magnificent Word of integrity and truth. The Standard by which all other standards are measured. The only book I ever delved into that the closer you study it the more perfect it shows itself.
        Why? Wha’chyu got? Barry, The ‘Prompter Promotion?

      • DaveH

        No Flashman, what you rely on is just plain old-fashioned Bull Scat.

      • Robert Smith

        Mike says: “Bible, anyone?”

        Nope, not for me, and many others in America.

        How does death and torture impact our economy?

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Flashy asks Mike: “What do you rely upon for your statements?”

        Have faith, grasshopper.

        Believe and you shall see.

        You might want to try it my way though: See and you shall believe.

        Sad part is that they haven’t shown me anything but a bunch of nasty name calling.

        Rob

  • http://www.facebook.com/barbjeanpatton Barb Patton

    I guarantee you that Google is not alone in transferring their profits and money – in the billions – to little known off shore accounts. this does not only apply to businesses.. I bet you a pound to a pinch of salt that there are many many many government officials (Rice for one) and also Hollywood swines that have transferred and bought properties in other countries… Give me a break.. and this is the money that the money hungry ayatollah barack hussein obama wants for all his “stimulus” and “pork” and “green” give aways.

  • jopa

    The rich over the course of American history have been writing the tax laws through lobbiests in their favor and the middle class is left footing the bill to run the country.For anyone to be in favor of the oversea banking scandals of today show their stupid side and how misinformed they truly are.

    • DaveH

      The simple solution is to get Government out of the Marketplace so they can offer no favors to those business people who are Crony Capitalists.
      The Federal Government got by on 3% of the GDP for the first 100 years of our country’s existence. Why can’t they do that now instead of spending 24% of our country’s GDP?

      • Bill

        Dave H,
        You hit the nail on the head, get the government out of the marketplace. The government is the biggest deterent to a flourishing prosperous economy.

        People like Fleshy, Robert and Right Brain Thinker are just shills for the socialist movemnt with nothing of value to say.

      • momo

        DaveH says::”The Federal Government got by on 3% of the GDP for the first 100 years of our country’s existence. Why can’t they do that now instead of spending 24% of our country’s GDP?”

        Then how would they bribe people to vote for them?

      • eddie47d

        If they went back to 3% they couldn’t possibly have anymore foreign wars . Yahoo!

    • Vigilant

      “For anyone to be in favor of the oversea banking scandals of today show [sic] their stupid side and how misinformed they truly are.”

      For anyone to imply that any Conservative/Libertarian is in favor of the oversea banking scandals of today shows their stupid side and how misinformed they truly are.

    • ranger09

      JOPA, Mostly right. Major Corporations do not Pay their fair Share, The very Rich do not pay their fair share,Necause the laws were made for them and not us. They are allowed to EVADE paying their fair share.Also the Govt politicians waste to much of the American Taxpayers money. I remember Our Politicians gave away 50 Million packed in duffle bags to BUY our friends The Leaders of the Nat. Alliance in Afganistan just to help us, They even charged us for the use of saddles and the horses, Then we went and bought them hundreds of American saddles at 1000.00 ea. Now this is a way to buy friends and help them fight for their FREEDOM.And the Aid we give and the Grants we give to People and Countries, Heck most go into Politicians pockets.And not to the deserving People.

      • http://www.acalculatedresponse.com Michael Murray

        There is no such thing as your “fair share” of my (or any persons) money. If you take it from me in person it would be called “armed robbery” and you would be called a “thief”. Since you seem to think it is alright to let thugs with guns do it as your proxy I’ll add “coward” to “thief”.

        Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live,
        it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
        ~ Oscar Wilde

  • DaveH

    “So why are countries going after Google and not all the other companies?”
    Simple. If they can get Google in their pockets, they have a very big route into censorship and information gathering on the people.

  • Dave

    Let’s see – Google trying to minimize their tax bill, hmmm. Does anyone else do that? …. Oh yeah, Obama, Reid, & Pelosi and their cronies. How so? They do not want to touch deductions but only increase the tax rate on the top 2% which includes them. Now let us examine why they might take that approach. If deductions are reduced or eliminated, the primary technique utilized by the wealthy to minimize their tax burden happens to be eliminated. By raising the rate and keeping the deductions, the wealthy (read Pelosi, Reid, & Obama’s cronies, etc.) can continue to minimize their tax burdens by hiring tax attorneys and high powered CPA’s to advise them on deductions so that the rate is less of an issue for them. This is disingenuous and transparent at best. So why doesn’t Boehner call them out on that point? I would sure like to know. Is he smart enough to figure that out?

    • ibcamn

      what everyone has to remember is this Obama guy is trying to make a ruling group(as a king would do)and the problem is they always make the same mistake,make rules and dont think about long term outcome!they take and teke till its all gone then downfall comes,its happened to everyone whos tried it this way,never works!and when you put too much plumbing in the house,you have more leaks more often,more problems too often and too many plumbers all with bad ideas on how to fix it!…oh yeah,and brainwashing our children to be progressive liberal douchbags is B.S.!

    • Mike in MI

      Who has been that great economics genius who has been able to nail down exactly how wealth is generated and maintained? Who has, without disclaimer or valid rebuttal/refutation, ever beaten the economics law that says “GIVE and it shall be given unto you; pressed down shaken together and running over shall MEN PRESS INTO your bosom.”
      It’s kind of like Art Laffer’s policy formulation that lowering taxes result in huge tax revenues. It’s seems to run counter to what would on the face of it appear reasonable.
      This nation has grown fabulously wealthy becuse the nation was founded on applied Biblical axioms (an axiom can not be proven), principles and precepts. Men, free to willingly and lovingly give to help neighbors and churches to advance God’s purposes opened the flood gates of God’s storehouses. Then they WORKED and applied His principles to their work, expecting to get help from “who-knows-where” to accomplish the goals set for them by themselves. They got the wisdom needed to do it and further wisdom on how to do it better next time – less effort and expense of time and treasure.

      If government insinuates itself between God and His people and steals what He has given them to do His “thing” (IT is, always has been, and will be, a partnership) government will end up standing on their own dick and the system will die of uremic poisoning…a terrible way to die. In this nation the voters will have brought it on themselves – no excuses.

      It is a dreadful thing to see or read about when God has blessed a people who apply Truths He assigns; but then, their thankless progeny abandon and “poo-poo” God.

      You might as well go out on the front walk, stick both middle fingers in the air and yell, “There! That’s what You deserve and what I think of you.” It’s just that vulgar. Hold on to your hats. I think the road may get a little bumpy – unless something changes.

      • Mike in MI

        Mind, if you will that God doesn’t act vindictively to wrack and ruin those who abandon Him and His ways. Some stupid people teach and think that because they want to re3ad it as they would treat their children or wives – mean, wrathful, hurtful and with malice. God is in a position that can not be threatened. Why would He need to act after such a fashion?

        The simple truth is that when someone elects to partner up with God and sticks to right things he has a huge amount of protection and God’s powerful Word (IF he CLAIMS the APPROPRIATE ideas It covers). (Don’t stand back and make stupid statements or ask dumb hypothetical questions if you haven’t given God at least five years of study and faithful application.) I have and It works – He works it.The more I (we – my wife and I are in this thing together) learn the more I/we can claim, thus the more He is active on my/our behalf.
        If I were to be so stupid as to walk away from it I’d lose protection. It’s like stepping out from under an umbrella in a down pour (think of a spiritual umbrella). Something’s going to beat on your head and make it “a bad hair day”. I can stay under the umbrella … or I can elect to buck the odds against getting wet. Besides that God’s got an Enemy. That Enemy can’t get at God; so he goes for who he can get, if he can entice them away from the umbrella.
        Oh, you don’t believe in either of them? Ok, you can still change, anytime. But, when’s the best time to prevent disease? Now? Or, wait until after Obamacare is in full force and driving you down? Godliness is like that.

  • Steve in St. Louis

    I’m surprised they could actually figure this out. They must have used a supercomputer.
    It is probably much more difficult to crack the IRS tax code, than the secret codes they cracked to win WWII against the Japanese and Germans.
    Probably the only way we can actually figure out what is going on in the IRS is to establish a new department of government to try to analyze what the IRS is doing.
    Something like the CIA and FBI combined into a supersecret world wide organization, with a special envoy to the UN.
    It sounds like France would be interested as well. Possibly we could make it an international organization and have an envoy or joint committee with Interpol as well.

  • http://www.acalculatedresponse.com Michael Murray

    GOOD FOR THEM! Government takes too much and spends too much. Read “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat. Plunder is wrong.

  • Jim

    It was and is a bad idea to tax corporations directly. Bringing businesses in close contact with government produces massive corruption as businesses legitimately try to manage their tax bills by influencing legislation. Secondly, customers ultimately pay for every cent a business spends. Thus customers pay 100 percent of business taxes.

    I know economists made up a thing called “incidence of taxation” to explain how corporations somehow pay some of the taxes, but that is only a illusion. My guess is that corporate income taxes were put in place to confuse the public about who is really paying.

    • http://www.acalculatedresponse.com Michael Murray

      Exactly! Corporations do not pay taxes, the people who buy from them do. Any company will do one of two things: Pass on the charges or close the doors.

      • Robert Smith

        Michael claims: “Any company will do one of two things: Pass on the charges or close the doors.”

        Or they can simply expand their business to cover the increased cost.

        Or they can do what businesses in other countries have done and divest themselves of costs like health insurance and left that to their governments (who provide health care for way less than the American system per person).

        That way they don’t have to screw the workers like Kodak did.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “Or they can simply expand their business to cover the increased cost”.
        Are you really that ignorant, Robert?
        If they could “simply expand their business”, they would have done that already. Do you know what customers are, Robert? You think they just magically appear when a company “expands their business”?

        Robert says — “Or they can do what businesses in other countries have done and divest themselves of costs like health insurance and left that to their governments (who provide health care for way less than the American system per person)”.
        More ignorance. You have no idea what other countries pay for their healthcare, Robert, but it likely either isn’t economical or considerate of the patient’s needs because a body of Force (Government) doesn’t need to please its customers.

        Some reality:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf

  • Jesse

    Colonel Edward Mandell House is attributed with giving a very detailed outline of the plans to be implemented to enslave the American people. He stated, in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson (President 1913 – 1921

    He is attributed with giving a very detailed outline of the plans to be implemented to enslave the American people. He stated, in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson (President 1913 – 1921),

    “Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property (that’s you and your children) in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the lawmerchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America.”
    ~Colonel Edward Mandell House

    I don’t know whether Edward Mandell House actually did say this or not, but these words describe pretty well what’s going on today..

    • roger

      There’s really no evidence of this (private) conversation ever having taken place, but I’m sure that none of these perps ever imagined the internet and the wealth of knowlege that can be found here………

      • Robert Smith

        roger says: “and the wealth of knowlege that can be found here………”

        Absolutely true. And the other side of it is the amount of pure garbage and lies.

        Some time when you have a moment take a look at the religious garbage about abortion and cancer. Then find out why they called breast cancer “Nun’s Disease”.

        Rob

  • Hedgehog

    All governments are incompetent prostitutes (whores)! They hire hordes of shills (politicians) to toll in customers, and armies of pimps (IRS) to enforce payment for services that are never delivered. Liberal (pun intended) use of Rohypnol (propaganda) keeps the customers confused as to what services were promised and what if any were delivered. Then of course with the cops (law, lawyers, judges etc) in on the take anyone who objects too much is disappeared or made an example of. When you also have a money (counterfeiting) machine, things are rosy as long as the johns (citizens) remain ignorant and confused. But, as always happens the Johns are waking up. They’ve been talking to each other at various watering holes (internet sites) and despite the heroic (retch) efforts of the shills the bordello (pick a country, any country) is seething with unrest.

    What will happen next? Quien Sabe? But rest assured, it won’t be pretty and when the smoke has cleared things will never be the same again!

    I hope you have enjoyed my little fantasy. It contains just enough truth to be fiction!

    Enjoy the holidays!

  • BobfromSoCal

    How dare Google ! The idea that someone would want to keep the money that they worked hard for. After all the Government only wants to use the money for good. Don’t the hard working bureaucrats in D.C. spend your hard earned cash much more efficiently, and put it to a much better use than you possibly ever could.
    I’m joking of course. D.C. needs an Exorcism. Once the true evil that is Washington is purged should we ever stop fighting the ever growing tax snowball the is threatening all of us.

  • tesmith47

    Flashy is exactly right, all you folks that hate government should understand that the capitalist have always run the government for their benefit, the capitalist are the takers, because capital is nothing without people!!!!!.
    they use their access to capital (mostly stolen) to form the structure that people are forced to live in.
    that is who you should be angry at, the DAMN CAPITALIST!!!!

    • http://www.acalculatedresponse.com Michael Murray

      “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

        -Benito Mussolini

      It is exactly what we have now, and it goes back to (at least) Lincoln. Corporations do not want to be on the menu, they prefer a seat at the table. The power of government to corrupt, enforced by the power of the governments monopoly on the use of force, leaves little choice. I prefer a Robber Baron over a Robber Baron in (or with the backing of) the White House, House, or Senate.

    • Vicki

      tesmith47 says:
      “Flashy is exactly right, all you folks that hate government should understand that the capitalist have always run the government for their benefit, the capitalist are the takers, because capital is nothing without people!!!!!.”

      What we understand is very simple. Capitalists can take nothing from us without using the force of government. To get our wealth a capitalist has to either produce something of value that we willingly trade our wealth for (free market) or they produce something of value that government agents willingly trade OUR wealth for.

      The evil remains the agents who willingly take OUR wealth at gunpoint and trade it for something of value to THEM. If these people were not government agents they would be called thieves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    Anybody who isn’t a socialist knows it’s wrong to suck the wealth from the wealth poducers. But before people get all weepy about poor little Google, wasn’t it Google who is restricting peoples 2nd Ammendment rights through restricting trade (of all things gun) on the internet?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      My thoughts run along the same lines. Who did Google p o to be put in this position?

    • Robert Smith

      “Anybody who isn’t a socialist knows it’s wrong to suck the wealth from the wealth poducers. ”

      But the “wealth producers” are gaining wealth without producing anything. They are gathering their wealth through financial instruments and NOT through producing anything.

      They were called “looters” by Ayn Rand.

      Rob

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “But the “wealth producers” are gaining wealth without producing anything. They are gathering their wealth through financial instruments and NOT through producing anything.”

        Those are not wealth producers. Those are people having fun playing with fiat money. At least they were playing with consenting people. Unlike government which must use FORCE to make you play (legal tender laws).

      • DaveH

        What financial instruments are you talking about, Robert?
        The only ones I can think of offhand that don’t facilitate the economy are Government Debt instruments.

      • Robert Smith

        More false information from Vicki: ” At least they were playing with consenting people.”

        Nope. When the insurance company “invests” in risky funds and lose money they don’t have my consent. They just raise my insurance rates.

        When oil distributors (any energy producer for that matter) try to beat the market and lose and fuel is more expensive for me so they can make up their losses they don’t have my consent.

        Rob

      • vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “More false information from Vicki: ” At least they were playing with consenting people.”

        Actually it was true information but we are used to liberals twisting words or outright lying.

        Robert Smith says: “Nope. When the insurance company “invests” in risky funds and lose money they don’t have my consent. They just raise my insurance rates.”

        And you withdraw your consent by refusing to do business with that company. Since you paid the higher rate you have consented.

        Robert Smith says: “When oil distributors (any energy producer for that matter) try to beat the market and lose and fuel is more expensive for me so they can make up their losses they don’t have my consent.”

        And you withdraw your consent by refusing to do business with that company. Since you paid the higher rate you have consented.

    • DaveH

      Dan,
      I seem to recall also that Google was aiding the Chinese Government in censorship until they later saw the light.

  • Dee

    How much would it save the government if they got rid of all of obummer’s czars and most of michelle’s 43 secretaries?

    • Robert Smith

      Oh sheesh, that tired old garbage again. How many staffers?

      Here is a reality check: “According to the 2009 White House report to Congress, there are 16 people with a title specifically indicating they work for Michelle Obama’s office. In other words, there are 16 people with “first lady” somewhere in their title, such as Jocelyn Frye, deputy assistant to the president and director of policy and projects for the first lady.”

      That’s from: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/

      Rob

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Our tax-dollars hard at work…

    For Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood-dominated government, more battle tanks and jet fighters are on their way from the United States.

    Cairo’s military link to Washington has remained intact, meaning the U.S. will continue to modernize the biggest military in Africa — even as President Mohammed Morsi has decreed near-absolute power for himself and his supporters and opponents battle outside his palace.

    Analysts say Egypt’s military buildup presents risks for Washington — and Israel — with the growing influence of the Brotherhood, whose overriding goal is to establish Shariah, or Islamic, law worldwide.

    A Pentagon statement to The Washington Times on Thursday said: “We are always reviewing our foreign assistance to make sure foreign assistance advances U.S. objectives and is being used for the right purposes.”

    For now, Egypt is due 200 M1A1 Abrams battle tanks, the same mechanized firepower manned by American soldiers, bringing Egypt’s inventory to a robust 1,200.

    Also in the pipeline is a squadron of the Air Force F-16 Falcon, a multipurpose warplane able to dogfight and drop ordnance.

    The government awarded Lockheed Martin Corp. a contract in March 2010 for 20 F-16s, the last to be delivered next year. That would increase Egypt’s total fleet to 240, according to a company press release at the time.

    “Egypt has far and away the largest army in Africa,” said Egypt analyst Robert Springborg, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif.

    The billions of dollars in U.S. military aid — in annual $1.3 billion stipends — have made the Egyptian air force the fourth-largest F-16 operator among 25 countries. Egypt’s 4,000
    tanks, including the 1,000 or so M1A1s, make it the world’s seventh-largest tank army.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2012/12/obama-to-give-20-f-16-fighter-jets-to-islamic-run-egypt-on-israels-election-day-2448904.html

    So, while the US economy struggles with trillion dollar deficits, the current administration, as did the previous, continues doling out “more than $58 BILLION A YEAR in foreign assistance through more than 20 agencies.

    If we are dead-broke, and Government needs to borrow half of what it spends on services…?, where is our Government getting the money for the aid in the first place? As well, if the situation in our country is so dire, and it is, why is our Government giving away $58 BILLION A YEAR in (aid…?)? Hmm…and Google is sitting on 10 Billion, 2 Billion of which is tax…yummy.

  • Tunaman

    GOOGLE IS A BIG “OBUMMER” SUPPORTER AND CONTRIBUTOR, DO YOU THINK THAT GOOD OLD BARRY AND HIS THUGS ARS GOING TO HASSALE THEM OVER “THE PAYBACK”?? WINK, WINK, OH BY THE WAY, HERE IS YOUR PAYOLA BARRY!!!

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