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Goldman Sachs’ Shadow

February 20, 2012 by  

Goldman Sachs’ Shadow

Goldman Sachs is the ghost over America, and it is a proxy for the elite crime that has wrecked the country and impoverished the middle class.

Goldman Sachs rules the world for the 1 percent.

The U.S. political system — indeed, that of the whole world — is dysfunctional because it is run by Goldman Sachs for Goldman Sachs. It is well-known that Goldman Sachs recommended stocks related to the housing mortgage mania at the same time that it shorted the stocks. Nobody goes to jail, and there are only hand slaps from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Because of the heavy influence of Goldman Sachs in our government and in governments around the world, it operates above the law and takes every advantage for its own people. This is getting to be public knowledge, but the American people are paralyzed as far as any action by the lapdog U.S. Congress. There is nowhere for the people to turn in a nationwide system of organized crime under the aegis of private investment banks. The recent collapse and bankruptcy of MF Global is a huge factor in eroding public confidence. It appears that client funds (investors), even though segregated, were used to speculate for MF Global’s own account.

Jon Corzine, who ran MF Global into the ground, losing vast sums of investor funds, told a Congressional committee that he “didn’t know where the money went.”

Corzine is a former CEO of Goldman Sachs and a former Governor of New Jersey, a bankrupt State. Some people believe Corzine is in line to be the next U.S. Secretary of the Treasury in the Obama Administration.

The likes of Corzine, Raj Rajaratnam, Bernie Madoff, Rajat Gupta and a legion of legal gangsters are gaming the system to enrich the Wall Street club. When widespread corruption is on the public stage, how long before the collapse of the whole system?

The pied pipers of Babylon have no clothes and they have no shame. They fear no prosecution because they are the privileged elite. These are the same people who ghostwrite things such as the recent 2012 National Defense Authorization Act and then turn the military loose on the American people whom they brand “terrorists and extremists.”

They are not oblivious to the coming economic collapse and the fact that they may be victims of the wrath of oppressed Americans and subject to public hanging. This is the expected pattern that develops in the chaos and crisis of the collapse of a despotic government. All this is in the next chapter of the default of national governments. It is already beginning for those who have eyes to see. All that is needed now is the trigger.

Goldman Sachs doesn’t stop at the U.S. border. Mario Monti, the new Prime Minister of Italy, the new European Central Bank President Mario Draghi and the freshly appointed Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos are all Goldman Sachs alumni. Add to this Petros Christodoulos, Chairman of Greece’s Public Debt Management Agency, who is a former trader for Goldman Sachs in London. This Goldman Sachs network goes on and on all over Europe.

The following is quoted from Marc Faber in his Gloom, Boom & Doom Report of Dec. 31:

Two other heavyweight members of Goldman’s European network have also figured large in the euro crisis: Otmar Issing, a former member of the Bundesbank board of directors and a one-time chief economist of the European Central Bank, and Ireland’s Peter Sutherland, an administrator for Goldman Sachs International, who played a behind the scenes role in the Irish bailout.

Marc Roche then goes on to explain that Goldman Sachs’ trading room benefitted from this “capital of relationships.” That may certainly have been the case, but we need to put this network of “friends” in the proper perspective. The other large financial institutions, and for that matter all major corporations, also have their “friends” in high places, plus their lobbyists who can influence the legislative process. In addition, judged by the performance of Goldman Sachs’ stock, the investment bank’s connections have lately been less useful. So, I am not a member of the Goldman Sachs detractor fraternity, as I know well that Goldman only did what all the other financial institutions have done, which is to use the dysfunctional political system and the money-printing central banks to their advantage. However, I will say that Goldman Sachs perfected the art and was therefore better at it.

The point I am driving at is that a reckless meritocracy creates an enormous economic and political mess. Yet, investors are looking at the very same people to solve the problems by implementing appropriate fiscal and monetary policies. But, if one looks carefully at the proposed measures (mostly money printing), it is apparent that they will merely postpone remedying the structural problems and not solve them. I have mentioned this because I see an increasing number of pundits who advocate money printing as the only solution to the problem of bank insolvencies.


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  • PJ

    See the documentary thrivemovement.com Especially the last half. It follows the money and shows the truth.

    • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

      Thanks PJ. I just watched the trailer. I guess I gotta spend the nickle to watch the movie. I definately will. I’m not sure what’s going on but something big is happening. I started blogging a few months ago with physicist’s and the like trying to find out why after 100 years they couldn’t negotiate quantum gravity with Einstein’s theories and I came across Nassim Haramein and got the answers I needed. Then seperately I started blogging on political sites and getting into these great discussions wanting to find out what’s really going on in the world. Now, somehow I find that the two are very significant and related to each other. There is definately some kind of global conciousness that is leading to a paradigm shift in the way that mankind thinks. It’s moving away from it’s self-serving greedy ways to a higher level/ knowledge sharing kinda way. Something’s going on.

      • Wendy

        When you say something big is happening, well, you have no idea just how big. I know many will not believe this, but here is a quote from messages which must not be ignored:

        “This wicked group, made up of some of some of the world’s most powerful and elite are perpetrating the biggest lie through their deliberate plotting to seize control of countries in the Middle East, Europe and the US.
        Their plan is unveiling before your eyes. Can’t you see? This plan has taken decades to develop.
        Every one of My children needs to stay awake at all times.
        Do not allow them to take your countries. Stand up to them.
        Money is their weapon of deceit. The collapse of your banking systems was deliberate. Now they move to complete the next phase of their plan.
        You, children, can stop this evolving through your prayers.
        Already My Father is placing obstacles in their way.”

        These are divine messages received by Maria Divine Mercy.
        Many of the prophesies have already come to pass and contain the truth; something we desperately need.

      • Karolyn

        You may be able to find the whole Thrive movie. I downloaded it from Vimeo a few months ago; and it was on Youtube but was taken down. I think it gets uploaded to free sites periodically and then taken down soon after by thrivemovement.com. It is worth the few dollars they charge, though. An excellent movie!

      • DG

        Instead of remarking repeatedly about the crimes of the last 100 years, lets vote to close all big banks, collect all assets of those banks ((not the small depositors i.e. we the people) by this I mean the treasury notes they hold etc)) and burn the lot. US debt gone…yes. New York did it in the past when it defaulted. Of course we would have to deal with China. It holds a significant amount of US debt. But that is debt that the US Corp owes to China. We the people have nothing to do with that. Let US Corp deal with china. But I am sure that China will still want to sell their cheap things here in America. We just raise the tariff 10,000 %

      • Mark Are

        I have watched Thrive five times. Twice by myself because I wanted to see what I missed while watching with others and sharing while watching. I was able to get the “free” version before they actually released the DVD. Since then, I have purchased two DVD’S from them. A Blue Ray and a Standard because I feel I have to share this with as many folks as possible. I realize that the production must cost a fortune to make and wanted to support the effort of the producers. I’d HIGHLY recommend to purchase the DVD and show your friends, family, neighbors and any one else you can. I have even sent copies of the “free version” to folks to help them wake up. It is well worth the cost!

      • Tom W.

        What’s going on Rev is the wheels are coming off the bus! I’m kinda amazed that they’ve been able to keep it afloat this long!!!

        http://larouchepac.com/

        This man has predicting this collapse from at least the mid 80′s!

      • Old Henry

        TomW:

        Good link. Thank you. Back in the 80s – I think -I listened to him on the radio. “They” were very successful in marginilizing him. However!, now we have the internet and the “Great Awakening” is underway.

        Let’s hope it’s not too little too late.

    • Robert Smith

      Hmmmmmm, are folks around here now beginning to understand what the “Occupy” movement was about?

      One can only hope.

      Rob

      • absolutely amazed

        I’ve been blogging on this site for over two years to tell you all this, and it seems no one seemed to care or appreciate what has happened to us. Goldman has made our government irrelevant, they want the huge tax breaks, the executives take their pay at the capital gains rate of 15%, and in so doing, don’t even pay Medicare or Social Security taxes like the rest of us citizens. Many of them manipulated the system, with the help of the congressmen and women they bought, to pay absolutely no tax at all while taking home billions. Yes, these are the guys who sold crap out the front door, leveraged against what they sold out the back door, wrecked the economy, got huge bailout funds (some say in the trillions) at no interest, and continued these shady practices. They made nothing, scooped out money as it went by, of course bought a lot of yachts/private jets/AstonMartins and McMansions, but the rest of us got screwed. These guys aren’t Steve Jobs of Apple, or Irv Jacobs of Qualcomm, or Bill Gates of MicroSoft; these are the money changers at the Temple of Greed, financial prostitutes, and that is why the 99%ers are right to be angry. The morality and viability of our nation has been ruined by the likes of the Goldmans, and we had better wake up, vote out their cronies in the House and Senate, prevent them from controlling SuperPacs ( which will require a revisit to the Supreme Court or a Constitutional Amendment outlawing corporations as people, and get the vote and control of our government back to the voters/citizens. Ask for full disclosure from your congressmen and senators regarding their association with these guys and their lobbyists. Watch out for the lies and disinformation their SuperPacs will spew in the forthcoming elections. The Tea Party, if it can free itself from the control of the Koch Brothers, and Occupy Wall Street, should join forces to stop this horror.

      • factnotrhetoric

        The Occupy Movement was brought to us by George Soros and the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood.

        The purpose of the paid Occupy Protesters is the same as blackshirts in Hitler’s and Mussolini’s days. The organizers pay a few to start fires, throw rocks, claim police brutality and turn peaceful protests into RIOTS.

        If you want to keep your freedom to Peaceful Protests, the blackshirts are easy to stop. The FBI and the Local Police follow the paid blackshirts websites and tweets. They arrest them almost immediately. If you see any of these paid blackshirts breaking the law, use your camera, video it on your phone, then send a copy immediately to the FBI and the local police. This is the best way the police and FBI can protect your right to Peaceful Protest.

        RIOTS => OBAMA MARTIAL LAW DICTATORSHIP => SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION AND CONGRESS (all legal under the NDAA and Patriot Act)

        The Occupy Riots are the American Version of the ARAB SPRING. Look at Greece to see the plan for America. The ARAB SPRING RIOTS are to overthrow and destabilize Democracies and replace them with Saudi Dictators. They are always planned for election years to get new Saudi Puppets Elected. Welcome to the New World Order’s Hitler – The Saudi Dictator.

      • wbliss

        The Occupy movement is all about getting paid to camp in public places by wealthy liberal activists or organizations, violence, throwing trash around, raping, relieving yourself in police squad cars, waiting for a government handout, breaking laws, being indecent, making public parks unavailable to the public, putting local shop owners out of business, looting government buildings and being lazy. I see no message there. I only see a group successfully making everyone detest them.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert Smith, if you think the Occupy protesters have a clue about why they are protesting then I’ve got some great land in the Everglades you might be interested in. Oh, yeah, they’re protesting the rich & the Wall Street guys but don’t have a clue who, what or why! O’man and his MSM propagandists have them indoctrinated alright but for the wrong reasons. Without the crony co-opted governments assistance, yes both parties, there might be some light at the end of the tunnel…you can’t cut off the hand or the fingers of the problem…you gotta go for the jugular, cut the puppets strings…have to start in DC and get rid of the ones that have no respect and continually usurp the Constitution. Not an easy task.

      • Mark Are

        Sorry, Robert, this isn’t for you, it’s for the two idiots that posted below that have no clue. They watch what the media tells them and swallow it hook, line and sinker. Sure, Soros is involved in agitation but do you SERIOUSLY expect us to believe the rhetoric that spouts from your keyboard? I’ve been to two OCW venues and found NORMAL people, old men, veterans, children with fathers and mothers, who are sick and tired of being SCREWED by the likes of Goldman Sachs and the PSYCHOPATHS that are running the show. Soros is one and if he thinks he is going to co opt the movement his sick ass has another thing coming. Namely a NOOSE. Soon the PEOPLE are going to figure out WHO to hang and then we will be free from these psychopathic leaches on the humanity of the world. Unless they have a way to another planet.

      • factnotrhetoric

        Mark,

        That’s the point. OWS was created to have no cause when it was originally set up as an American Arab Spring. The organizers told protesters every morning to go out and cause civil disobedience and try to claim police brutality. The organizers even wrote a free attorney’s phone number down on their arms if they did get arrested. They were the new blackshirts that were trained to turn peaceful protests into riots.

        But some good people put many causes to the OWS movement. There were End the Fed protesters and down with Goldman Sachs protesters. There were Ron Paul protesters. The normal Americans wanted to Peacefully Protest.

        But the OWS organizers were Arab Spring Organizers. They were funded to turn peaceful protests into riots. You can see this plan at work around the world. Look at Greece, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Tunisia and all the Democracies turned over to the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood through RIOTING IN THE STREETS. The blackshirts did their jobs by joining often peaceful protesters, like students wanting a democracy, and caused RIOTS.

        The plan is the same old, same old, as in Hitler’s and Mussolini’s Days.
        RIOTS => OBAMA MARTIAL LAW DICTATORSHIP => SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION AND CONGRESS

        But it’s easy to protect the grandmother’s right to peaceful protest. Stop the blackshirts by filming any law breakers and turn the videos immediately over to the FBI and the Police.

      • Tom W.

        So, you refuse to clean your room?!!

    • marlene klim

      Gotta go now. Have to dump the Goldman Suchs bonds. Didn’t like them when I bought them. Have seen too many crooks from their company go into politics and do bad things.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      “Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you. Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” – James 5:1-8

      • Carolyn Cummings

        Thank you Tom W. I was reading the book of James last night and thought just how fitting it is to today’s reality.

    • traderphil

      In my humble but much researched opinion, GoldmanSachs ( and JP Morgan, HSBC, and friends) have literally “financially raped” the world , in particular with Interest Rate Swaps. The Fed(Big Banks) control and set interest rates and work in cahoots with the other Big Banks. Interest Rate Swaps were created and sold all over the world with this kind of a selling play “Have we got a deal for you!!! Interest rates are at near historic lows! WHAT are the chances of rates going any lower(They absolutely KNEW RATES WERE going HIGHER because they(big banks and buddies) SET THEM!!!!!! These “Thieves” (Banksters) are making RECORD PROFITS while the rest of the world is being financially raped, BY DESIGN!!!!!!!~! Oh yes!!! Look who basically RUNS the US gov’t!!! that is right!!!! the #1 Democratic Campaign contributor, GOLDMANSACHS!!! Look at all the ex GoldmanSachs folks in power in US Gov’t in Finance, Regulations, REGULATORS like the SEC and CFTC(what a joke they are, at best) Treasury, Advisors for Financial Policy, etc, etc, etc, etc etc, etc, YOU GET THE PICTURE!! !!!! Figure it out folks! It is easy to see. FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

    • Pat

      Another excellent source of information about what is going on is the book “The Creature From Jekyll Island” by Edward Griffin. It tells the whole nasty story about the birth of the Fed and how the Fed and the banks have run an unbelievable scam on America since 1913. The house of cards that they have created is barely holding together…The banks have a good little game going. They make a profit, they keep it. They gamble or push their luck too far and have a loss, the taxpayers make it up. Nice, huh? We are in trouble, deep trouble….

  • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

    Is there any relation or connection to the Rothchild’s? I’m sure there is but I’d like to know of some links to research this more. Thanx anyone.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Rev, you might find this interesting…and yes, Goldman Sachs is a tool for the Rothschilds.
      http://www.texemarrs.com/042010/doing_gods_work.htm
      It was Goldman Sachs that gobbled up the failed U.S.S.R.’s valuable assets; that broke the back of California’s bonds; that crushed the entire planet’s economies in 2006 and 2007 with it derivative credit debacle; that funded the presidential campaigns of both McCain and Obama. Goldman Sachs sits atop the globe’s financial heap. Its CEO is more influential than all of the world’s 175 national leaders combined! Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke work for and take their marching orders from Goldman Sachs. The U.S. Congress cannot pass even one bill on finances or taxes without Goldman Sachs’ approval. And who owns and runs Goldman Sachs? That would be Lord Rothschild and his clan. Yes, the Rothschilds— who sits at the helm of the world’s richest and most evil bank.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH
      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        Thanx Jeff I’ll check those links out. Right after I get finished letting some wannabe journalistic type have it for trying to insult me over at the cnn blog. I know better than to hang out there but there was so much stupidity that needed to be addressed and I was bored. I think that all of the intelligent bloggers here should sacrifice a couple of hours every few months and blog at cnn and fox just for the purpose of a better world. Anyway, thanks again for the links. If your interested, I’ve recently watched a great vid on youtube called “old world secrets the omega project codes”. I thought it was great info about the history of the world that they don’t want us to know about.

      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        Thanks Jeff. I just got thru all the links. Good stuff. I don’t want to sound loopy because I don’t beleive EVERYTHING I read but I did read how the Rothchild line goes all the way back. I mean related to some royalty from Austria in the 1600′s to even further back to Rome and there is speculation by the conspiracy theorists of a connection to Zeus himself. Anyway the youtube vid I pointed out was supposedly made by someone trying to pass on the word of someone who is now dead but wanted the world to know. If you watch let me know what you think. :) Sharing is caring.

      • L. Davenport

        Of course, we need not mention that most of the Obama administration have direct connections to Goldman Sachs, and, of course, guess who’s the greatest financial contributor to the Romney campaign . . . ohhh, what evil webs . . .

      • DaveH

        It’s just human nature to feather one’s own nest. But the Leaders can do it to extreme because we’ve innocently allowed them the Power of Force, and we’ve let them grow way too Big and Powerful. The only answer is to get back to the wisdom of our Founders, especially Thomas Jefferson, and to shrink the size of Government dramatically. Government should exist mainly (if at all) to protect us from the Force and Fraud of others, and that is all. Instead we’ve allowed them to break moral and legal rules that the rest of us are expected to obey. We’ve allowed them to stick their nosy noses into our personal business and voluntary choices. We’ve allowed them to immorally distribute the legally acquired wealth of ourselves and others. And we’ve allowed them to do those things around the world.

      • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

        JeffH, Their day is coming and hopefully soon. This was predicted thousands of years ago.
        And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
        And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
        I’m sure these things will happen

      • Sarah R.

        What we need now is someone with the cajones to bring down the Obama Administration. You know, he is not a natural born American. He is using someone elses SSN. If this can be done, all of his rules, laws, regulations and executive orders will be null and void. Sheriff Arpaio in Az is doing all that he can but fighting these powers is very hard to do. You can see what happened in Georgia. We need help across America. Isn’t there anyone out there who will band together and fight this?

      • BigBadJohn

        Speaking of the Rothschild…..
        If you think libertarianism is the answer:
        Ayn Rand was a mistress of Philip Rothschild, her book “Atlas shrugged”, which is the foundation of the libertarian movement, was written as a way for the Illuminati and the Rothschild to take over the world.

        do your own research:
        http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=13875

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Rev, Thanks. It’ll take some time to watch them all. I have seen a few of them…although it’s been quite some time. Yer right, kinda have to wade through everything and sort it out…what you believe and what you question…too much to absorb at one time.

        Here’s a link:
        http://reality-2012.blogspot.com/p/second-test-page.html

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        BBJ, to think that Ayn Rand was commissioned by Rothschild to write Atlas Shrugged as a blueprint for their plans for world domination is a bit out there I’d have to say. Rand’s life has been well picked over biographically, and so have the Rothschilds’. The story would have been out decades ago if it were even plausible, let alone true. It’s been alledged that Rand was the mistress to Philippe Rothschild but I can’t seem to find any difinitive truth to that.

        “Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand.”
        - Benjamin Disraeli

      • traderphil

        MAN!!! Did you HIT THAT NAIL ON THE HEAD!! The Rothschiilds have been financially draining the world with bubbles and schemes for CENTURIES NOW! It is time to bring the light of TRUTH and place it where it belongs, directly on the ROTHSCHILDS and friends. These are the “Shadow Govts” and Shadow Banking Systems” make no mistake about that! This has all been planned for a while now, for sure. In my humble opinion, that is.

      • BigBadJohn

        Jeff, “It’s been alledged that Rand was the mistress to Philippe Rothschild but I can’t seem to find any difinitive truth to that.”

        Ya all you can find is rumor and innuendo. But then again if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..
        Think about it, the core libertarian beliefs are that ALL property that is owned by the US government should be sold to the highest bidder. Just who do you think has enough money to buy US holdings? Multinational corporations. Who would gain the most by such a move? – Same

        Libertarians believe in TOTAL deregulation, just who would gain the most benefit by doing business any way they please? The same mega corporations. Who is going to left holding the bag – everyone else. Just look what happened this last time round with the banking crisis. Deregulation caused it and the tax payer dumped even more money into the pockets of the mega-millionaires who caused it and profited from it.

        I heard a story, second hand. I guy I used to work with, once upon a time was a karate instructor and had his own DoJo. He claims that one of his students was a Rothschild. One day he asked if he was part of the famous family and he said yes. But that he would have no part of the family because of their designs on world domination, he just did not agree with it.
        He then went on to say read Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand was a mistress of uncle so and so and basically picked up the story listening to the men talk.

        I know, still not proof but at least, to me, it adds a little more credibility.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        BBJ, “Think about it, the core libertarian beliefs are that ALL property that is owned by the US government should be sold to the highest bidder.”

        Wow, I guess you’ll believe what you will. Perhaps you should get your info straight from the horses mouth so I would like to offer you a link so that you could better educate yourself about the Libertarians platform.
        http://www.lp.org/platform

    • TIME

      RNWWC,

      What you will need to look into are the following then you will need to really dig deep to find all of the facts most are not easy to find, So to make it easy watch all you tube feeds by; John Taylor Gatto, this will aid you a lot in understanding what, why, and how.

      Look into the Rockefeller’s as in when they were still in Europe and what the plan was that they brought withn them, really dig into them
      The Rothschilds.
      The Queen of England as well the whole family.
      The bank of London and who and what they really are.
      The 13 Blood lines.
      Look into the real reasons behind the American War of Agression 1860′s.

      Once you see who the puppet masters are then and only then can you start moving forward.
      Also today there is a really Great artical on Red ice creations.com called;
      Psychopaths and the Multicultural Myth, > learn the mind set that aids these monsters.

      People we are at hells gates and we are now at the last few steps before it all comes down.

    • http://gravatar.com/patriot516 patriot516

      Also, some good books on the Rothchilds and other families that are most likely the meat of the iner circle are “Bloodlines of the Illuminati” by Fritz Springmeier and Jim Marr’s book – “The Rise of the Fourth Reich”. A bit of a commitment to reading them, but th econtents will stick and set a good foundation for what, how and why everything that is going on, is happening. Lord help us all!

      • absolutely amazed

        Take a look at Sheldon Adelson, the Las Vegas casino baron, who now is spouting forth that he is prepared to spend “100 million” to influence/buy the election! And the Koch Brothers now trumpeting how much they are going to pour into Wisconsin to preserve the governorship of the mentally challenged, totally purchased governor there. Who bought the Supreme Court appointees over the last 20 years that allowed this abomination to happen? We are no longer any semblance of a free people – we are totally owned subsidiaries of the very, very rich, Goldman amongst the richest and largest purchaser of congressmen. Occupy Wall Street certainly should occupy Goldman!

    • azwayne

      When will you slower than some admit, look at and study, the Bilderberg group, then follow down as far as you can to presidents, congressmen and governement agencies, eventually you can conclude NWO, Soros, right in front, but many will admit all your candidates you PUT in office,

      • TIME

        AZ, There is no Soros, he is just a Rockefeller acting out a part.

        Look folks, this all is really quite simple to follow, “NOTHING” is what it seems, until you all get that as well understand that the MASS MEDIA is 100% controlled as in all of it.
        We can’t ever hope to break the spell if the American people will not understand that we have been lied to for the last 160 plus years.

        We only need 25% of the worlds population to wake up, you all know something is very wrong. You all see it daily.

        Will 100% ever get it NO, so just walk away from anyone who can’t get it, its not worth the effort as they by choice wish to be one of the following; Stupid or Ignorant.

    • factnotrhetoric

      The easiest PART to spot is the Saudi involvement. The Saudi Dictator is the new Hitler for the NEW WORLD ORDER.

      The Saudi Dictator wrote “Sharia Law” and wrote “Sharia Compliant Financial Law” to destroy DEMOCRACIES and replace them with a bloody, genocidal, Hitler-Like, Saudi Dictatorships. When “Saudi written Sharia Law” is in the constitution of any country, the country is no longer a DEMOCRACY, it is a genocidal Dictatorship.

      Goldman Sachs now follows “Saudi written Sharia Compliant Financial Law” which means Goldman Sachs wants to overthrow DEMOCRACIES and replace them with Saudi Dictators. It’s no secret, the plan this summer is to pop the Government Borrowing Bubble for the 2012 elections, just like they created and popped the housing bubble for the 2008 elections.

      RIOTS => OBAMA MARTIAL LAW DICTATORSHIP => SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION AND CONGRESS

      WORLD HITLER-SAUDI TAKEOVER
      “Saudi Puppet Obama” has left Sharia Law in the constitutions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Yemen. These were all presents from “Saudi Puppet Obama” to the Saudi Dictator. Now, as announced to the UN, “Saudi Puppet Obama’s” goal is to overthrow Syria and Iran. This will be at the cost of thousands more American Soldier’s Lives, and $Trillions of BORROWED American Dollars. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We have allowed “Saudi Puppets” in our Administration to kill close to 1 Million innocent, Middle Eastern Citizens and Civilians, to hand these countries over to the Saudi Dictator.

      • TIME

        To your post all I can say is OMG, man o man are you on a wild ride at the park. WAKE UP and get real.

      • factnotrhetoric

        Time,

        I don’t understand your question.

        The Saudi Dictator is part of the Rothschild’s plan you alluded to in an earlier post.

        The Rothschild’s need a new Hitler. They kinda used up the old Hitler. They funded the old Hitler through the US Federal Reserve, then they funded America and Europe to stop the old Hitler. The Saudi Dictator and his Arab Spring is the New Hitler, again being funded by the Rothschilds.

        Just look at the countries the Saudi Dictator (new Hitler) have overthrown and turned into Arab Owned Dictatorships. The UN and NATO is now dominated by them. Look at the members of the OIC in the UN (Organization of Islamic Cooperation).

        I don’t understand your confusion. My point was simple. It’s hard to see the Rothschilds and harder yet to believe that a banker in a tie somewhere is that evil.

        But it’s easy to see the Saudi Dictator and realize he gave the Bushes 1.6 Billion Dollars. It’s easy to see the Saudis flying jets into the Twin Towers. It’s easy to see the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood at the heart of every ARAB SPRING riot to overthrow Democracies around the world. It’s easy to see “Saudi Puppet Obama” redirect hundreds of millions of American Dollars to the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Al Qaeda to overthrow Egypt, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Yemen, Syria and soon Iran. It’s easy to see “Saudi Puppet Obama” pay $1 Million Dollars each, to the Saudis, for blue tarps that cost $100 anywhere else.

        The “Saudi Puppets” are easy to see. Look at Obama, Bush, ExPres Clinton, SoS Clinton, Holder, Panetta, Napolitano. So I still do not understand your confusion.

      • TIME

        Fact, The middle east is only a means to and end, { its all a BIG show, a Soap as it were.}

        The people in the Middle East are being used by the real power, and thats where the real game is all contained within the 13 Blood lines. These are the people who are the ones pulling all the strings.
        CFR, TRC, Bilderbugers etc. are all just more TOOLS of these very same people of the 13 Blood lines. AKA _ they as in the CFR, TRC etc. are the faces that you see rather than the REAL POWER that is.

        Look at all the Saudi royal’s, add them all up; then compair thier wealth to the Rothschilds, the Saudi Royals are poor next to the Rothschilds.

        We all have been sold a bill of goods that is rotten to it’s very core, we have nothing to fear from the people from the Middle East, but we do have to wake up and fear the people sitting on Wall Street in the Goldman Offices, that BTW look just like you do, and thats why we really need to FEAR them.

        BTW – I am not picking on you, just pointing out that the Glenn Beck missinformation FLAW, is in fact a total FLAW, thats saddly become a standard of thinking that its truth, when in fact its just the side show to keep you all at each others throats.

        PEACE & LOVE Brothers & Sisters.

      • Joe H

        Factnot,
        just consider how long sharia law has exhisted and how old the dictator of Saudi Arabia is and you will see the big flaw in your post. sharia law has exhisted for hundreds of years while the dictator is less than a hundred!!

      • Michael J.

        factnotrhetoric,
        You are correct in that the Arab Spring uprising is underwritten by the Rothschild family. Their intent is to remove dictators not onboard with their world domination agenda. They want instead, democratic style politicians who are easily turnable for a buck/dollar. This sort of persuasion was off the table when dealing with the likes of Saddam Hussein, Hozni Mubarak, Muamar Ghadafi and others who feel they own the land, it’s people and all the natural resources contained within their borders.

        The newly elected Muslim Brotherhood politicians/dictators, call them as you will, are also being played. The Rothschilds have led them to believe that they will be allowed to rule in a manner of their own choosing, but the Rothschilds know from experience and understanding of human nature that the newly elected politicians are prone to accepting monetary incentives in return for consenting to the crawling progression of world domination and the surrendering of sovereignity policies which in no way was possible with the prior dictatorships.

  • s c

    Since Americans are represented in Washington [in theory] by vermin who make life more complicated while they dance like brainless puppets, it does seem probable that when Americans have had enough, those who refuse to pretend to represent us will have to contemplate the unthinkable.
    Wouldn’t it be interesting if some of those ‘leaders’ started disappearing? Things happen, and even insurance and the supposed protection of ‘friends’ aren’t enough to provide absolute protection. And, if some decided that finding their way to ‘work’ isn’t worth it, maybe a writer with an active imagination could crank out a TV series, a book or a movie.
    Doesn’t it seem reasonable that people would be glued to a TV, savor every word or stand in line to get to see a Hollywood blockbuster?
    Truth, some say, is stranger than fiction. Some talk about turnabout. Some say nothing is stronger than an idea whose time has come. Even John Wilkes Booth came up with a catchy phrase (you can look it up). It’s possible that ‘I quit’ will be an easy way for Washington’s ‘cream’ to walk
    away from their cushy jobs. ‘Living in interesting times’ has to start somewhere, somehow. It somehow reminds me of FDR’s insightful ‘nothing happens by accident in politics’ (as seen from a mortal’s perspective, of course).

    • http://gravatar.com/rahlvnv Robert Hirschmann

      The book you are referring to is “Term Limits” by Vince Flynn. I doubt very much if they will make a movie of this novel because of the liberals in Hollywood. However, I agree very strongly that some of the corrupt “elected officials” should be eliminated.

      • Dave67

        Robert, Term limits is the lazy way out. WE need an active and informed electorate to see through the big money PR schemes that will have us believe the lies they try and tell us and the most important things is to get big money out of the political process.

      • JUKEBOX

        The liberal movie producers have been making movies that promote the progressive agenda, sometimes sublimally so the average schmoo never realizes he is being brainwashed by the puppetmasters who control the money.

      • ChristyK

        If you want a really good book (fiction) that makes you really think about what we might have to sacrifice if we really care about liberty, you should read “Molon Labe”. Although I definitely don’t agree with all of the suggestions in the book, it is really useful to think about what it would take to get liberty and what we would be willing to do/sacrifice to earn it.

  • Dave67

    10 banks in the United States own 77% of the deposits in this country after the meltdown.

    The banks, wall street and their lobbyists created the mess via deregulation. For their destruction of our econoomy what was their punishment? 2 bailouts totalling over 1T dollars, no caps on exec bonuses and salary and now they are even bigger than they were before the meltdown. Hank Paulson, Tim Geithner and Reagan’s man in the Fed are all former Goldman people.

    What should be happening now is that now that markets are calm, the US gov should be methodically breaking up all of the banks so they are no longer “too big to fail”. Is that what is happening now? No…Have any charges been filed against anyone from Goldman, BofA, Smith Barney, Citigroup from the fraud they committed? No… Why? Because if you look at the big money donors to both parties, you will see the big banks as a common thread in both parties. The GOP are bold and stupid enough to try and tell us part of the problem is too much regulation. Is that was sunk the housing market? Too much regulation? No, it was too little regulation and too little enforcement of regulations that were in place because a few people were making too much money and had their own selfish interests ahead of the good of the country.

    Vote out both parties, get people in there that will get big money out of the political process, break up thse banks and put strict regulations so they cannot defraud this country again.

    • eddie47d

      Thanks Dave67 someone who gets it with a clearer message along with the author. My wife had a few Goldman Sacs stocks and they were doing well compared to the market as a whole 3 years ago. Yet I didn’t like how they were involved in Wall Street manipulation and how they influenced Washington. I told her we need to buy with integrity and there are several other trustworthy companies. Last year she finally moved her account out of Goldman Sacs and I say good riddance. Moral decay will continue on Wall Street and Washington but it doesn’t mean we can’t try and fix it. At least in separating the two and how they control each other.

      • Dave67

        We need to hold people accountable. We need leaders like Teddy Roosevelt who stood up to the robber barrons. We need that today. Sadly, these banks and energy interests prove too powerful for 99% of people in Congress to go up against and do the right thing for the health of this nation. Both parties need to go. They have shown a complete lack of spine in the face of these people.

      • DaveH

        Robber Barons? Teddy Roosevelt was the beginning of the Progressive Era in which Government became shills for Big Business. The so-called Robber Barons were out-competing their rivals and providing cheap goods and services by operating efficiently. The rivals preferred Political Cover over fair competition in the Marketplace, so they lobbied Government to create Anti-Trust laws and the like to stifle those businesses that were beating them in the Marketplace. Read this and put on your thinking caps:
        http://mises.org/daily/2317

      • DaveH

        About Theodore Roosevelt:
        http://mises.org/daily/4462

      • DaveH

        More about the Reality of the great American Hero — Theodore Roosevelt:
        http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=96&sortorder=title

      • DaveH

        How come, Dave67, you can follow me around making your inane comments, but you obviously haven’t read the articles that I posted for you to learn from?
        That’s a rhetorical question, because I know the answer — You’re here to pester, not to learn anything.

    • ChristyK

      The problem is too much regulation. The problem is that the large corporations/banks write most of the regulations to limit competition. This is what creates “too big to fail”. Then the big banks/corporations fill spots on the regulatory commissions and give donations to the politicians to insure favorable regulations. If we got rid of the regulations and the welfare state, and limited our government to the enumerated powers, there would be almost nothing for which to lobby. Free competition, instead of crony capitalism, would give the best service for the lowest price and our economy would grow. Businesses that acted immorally would be avoided and therefore go out of business. Currently government “regulation” actually encourages the bad behavior that you abhorr.

      • http://gravatar.com/miken25 miken25m

        You are exactly right Christy. Keep up the good work. It is laissez faire capitalism that is needed.

      • Dave67

        ChristyK,

        When regulation is paid for by the big monied interests that are supposed to be regulated, that is a serious problem. Having no regulation will lead to monoplies and serious collusion in the marketplace and a decline in working conditions in this country because pandora’s box has been opened (Free trade with countries that pay their workers nothing and they do not have worker environmental protections we have).

        Gov should be acting as a neutral actor inside the country and a advocate for US businesses to other countries. Gov should act as a guard against abuses of the system from both business and whatever is left of the unions in this country.

        The real villan is the money that buys the gov. We need to get rid of that influence. What you advocate is simply not attainable or realistic in the global marketplace.

    • James

      My word Dave do you really expect us to believe you are that stupid? Stop with your pathetic attempt to make us believe in your unregulated investment banking garbage, enough Americans are beginning to understand the decline of the country coincides perfectly with the deregulation of the MEDIA. Freedom can only exist when a society embraces and has access to truth this idea that the subsidization of lies is necessary because of first amendment rights will have to come to an end. REREGULATION of the media with some new regs thrown in will be a must if we are to take our country back. No more foreign owned media outlets within the U.S. No more publicly traded media, no more investments of any types by media employees or corporate ownerships of any type they ( media ) must stand on their word only or be allowed to fail the list of reforms to them goes on and on but you get the idea “truth must be the foundation for ALL your beliefs” not just religious ones . When propaganda holds greater value than truth than liberty suffers

      • Dave67

        James, name calling aside… I agree there should be no foriegn ownership of media outlets. Thank the GOP for that one with making an exception for Fox owner Murdoch to come in with his right wing media outlets. We have corporate media in this country and it needs to be broken up from the 5 conglomerates that own 90% of what you read, see and hear.

        You have no clue what a true loss of liberty means, not many of us do and nobody on this blog does. Liberty as it is in this society is predicated on economic power. The middle class has less in these 30 years due to bad trade policy, bad tax and spending policy and deregulation that is born from big money interests buy politicians.

        Get the money out of the process, then you will see Gov that is more responsive to the people.

      • James

        I am not the ‘James’ who wrote that.

    • frank marks

      let them eat cake time for tolerance we climbed it to mess slowly and must climb out slowly

  • http://twitter.com/Graywolfaa Michael L. Vanna (@Graywolfaa)

    Golddman/Sachs is only the glaring global theft of public and investor monies and is complicit with the U.S. Congress. The G-10, which brings out violent protests, meet to plan ways to subjugate their populations through the financial system and Goldman/Sachs is a key player. As for Corzine and MF Global…Huh…He is just another crook in a bin of crooks. I personally pray the whole stinkling financial system collapses. I would cheer when the paper we call money becomes worthless. Then we’ll see how the suits will manage when they actually have to hunt, wish and gather to survive? Don’t even think I’d help them! Starve ya “Son’s a bitch’s”!

    • John

      The “suits” that instigated all of this will be sitting in their private island retreads that are provisioned and stocked up for 20 years and point fingers and laugh at the masses that will kill each other over food. Then after most of this world population has self destructed and is reduced to 500 million or less, they will come out and be the “saviors” and kings.

  • eddie47d

    Who’s one of the masters on Wall Street Jeff? By gosh it’s Goldman Sacs. Who has been exposing Wall streets for many months now (yours truly). Who have you been consistently attacking for showing the evil side of Wall Street (yours truly). When corruption flows Wall Street grows and those Hedge Fund managers,Goldman Sacs and the Rothschilds have more control over the world,the US economy and how those in Congress react. Unless these entities can be continually exposed in how they influence world markets we might as well abolish our Constitution and place them on the November ballot.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001640884810 Lance Brofman

      Curious that you would single out Goldman Sachs and Rothchilds when Goldman Sachs is problably less powerful that JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America which now owns Merril Lynch and Rothchilds is much smaller than Morgan Stanley or even Jeffries.

  • Sirian

    The moment Tricky Dick pulled us off the gold standard it opened the doors for not only the Fed but Goldman Sachs and a variety of various other players world wide. As to the extent that this will run is in one way understandable and fairly well known but in the end, which isn’t all that to far off, it will be very disturbing as to the overall turmoil it will result in. Do the majority of the people of the world actually understand who the major players/controllers truly are – no. But once the tipping point has been reached, over reached I should say, the long road down hill will culminate in an economical disaster as no one has seen before. Standby folks, it’s on it’s way for sure.

  • Downs1

    I guess many agree that Goldman Sachs is “evil”. There is greed, deception, violence, theft of other peoples money, power that controls the governments of nations, power that is absolute and that corrupts absolutely. People die because of Goldman Sachs activities. The moral corruption is beyond description. But, there is hope! Why? Because evil eventually destroys itself and when it does it is dramatic! One of the things that evil depends on is anonymity. It loves darkness, and when the light of discovery is shined upon it, it collapses. Those involved will be quick to blame everyone else but themselves. Many famous people will go down in ignominy! The chaos that ensues will be great! That time is coming soon. The extent of the corruption will be revealed and the remedy will be outside the law, since the “law” is obviously involved also!

    • eric siverson

      I would not bet on evil collapsing from light any longer . When God leaves there will be no thou shall not . That may only leave yes we can .

  • Stunned at sunset.

    Don’t worry, everyone, Proverbs 16:18 tells us that “The pride cometh before the fall.”

    • Jonathan

      Actually, it says “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” But same difference.

  • Wizard

    Anyone who is awake and aware should have known this long ago. Every country with a central bank has former Goldman gangsters in power at the top levels of government. The countries that don’t get the power of the US military sent against them for a regime change. Our military is not for the American taxpayer that funds it. It’s the Goldman enforcement diivisom.

    • TIME

      Wizard,

      Good post dude!

  • nick beck

    when there is a concerted effort to REMOVE these people AND their puppets — no amount of protection will be enough and by their very nature, they cannot hide-there is no place safe enough on this globe–they should be run down,financially stripped, and then REAL justice dealt to them. there is simply NO other solution. case in point=gaddaffi [one of the richest men on earth,with his own paid army]-taken out by MAD people with basically small arms. ps. pick up a copy of THE WORLD ORDER by eustace mullins–this will give you a good guide as to the bad guys at least up thru 1985 — the rest of them are in the news on a daily basis. i hope their time is comming.

    • eric siverson

      Wasn’t Gaddafi taken out by Goldman Sachs ?

  • WiseOvOwl

    Right on Bob I have been seeing that for myself and it is encouraging that others are too. There are other players besides Goldman & Sachs and their greedy cronies.

  • Jenasus

    The people in power want to go to a one world currency which will lead to a one world government. The New World Order.
    In the NWO we the people will lose all of our rights of freedom as citizens and become subjects (SLAVES) in the New World Order.

  • jopa

    Great article however I don’t believe Corzine will get the bid for Treasury with the stupid “I don’t know where the money went” statement.

    • eric siverson

      I think that he is most highly qualified . And he gave that answer with a straight face .

    • JUKEBOX

      They confirmed Eric Holder after he pardoned Marc Reich under Clinton, costing the taxpayers 55million, so why not confirm another crook. Crooks seem to be admired and flourish in the Obama WH. Why not pardon Bernie Madoff, and then make him the Treasury Secretary. Proverbs 13:20 He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.

  • Jenasus

    World Wide Doomsday Party! 02/29/2012. Add the day, the month and the year together and you get 18=1+8=9. Than add the day 29 together and you get 11. Put them together and you get 9/11 on leap day of leap year 2012.

    Be prepared people. Better safe than sorry. If nothing happens we can all have a Doomsday Party!

    • Joe H

      jenasus,
      I was born ready. I have a couple of gennies, ammo for weapons, food for a year!

  • Jenasus

    Prepare For “The Freedom War” that is brewing in America.
    World Warriors Freedom Fighters and others like them
    Unite to protect our rights of FREEDOM.
    Join “The Freedom March” on Washington DC 2012

  • Jenasus

    Wahington DC The District of Crime, Corruption and Conspiracies.
    In the New World Order DC will stand for Death of Civilians.

  • Jenasus

    Obama is leading America to its darkest days of the Age of Enslavement by proliferating Class Warfare and poverty.
    Obama is an imposter. Obama has dual citizenship Indopnesia and USA and was born in Kenya.
    Obama has no right to be POTUS. Impeach Obama now before he destroys the rest of America,
    We the people do not have a President.
    Dictators Day not Presidents Day
    02/20/2012

    • Dave67

      Your tin hat is ready. size 10″

      • DaveH

        You can lend him yours, Dave.

      • Dave67

        Dave H,

        Here is what the author says:

        “Obama is leading America to its darkest days of the Age of Enslavement by proliferating Class Warfare and poverty.”

        Prove Obama’s policies are doing this….

        “Obama is an imposter. Obama has dual citizenship Indopnesia and USA and was born in Kenya.”

        This nonsense was disproven a long time ago but I guess the author needs something to spew which is unfounded.

        “Obama has no right to be POTUS. Impeach Obama now before he destroys the rest of America,”

        What is Obama’s High crime or misdemeanor that warrants impeachment? He is just another politician doing the bidding of big monied interests like Reagan, Bush, Clinton did.

        But its me that is in need of the tin hat…. I see…. back away from the computer Dave H

      • JUKEBOX

        Dave67, if you can’t see what Obama is and is doing to America, you are suffering from a terminal case of Rectal Cranial Inversion.

      • Dave67

        Jukebox,

        Were you calling for the impecahment of reagan or Bush when they did the damage they did to the US economy and middle class jobs?

        No, I think not.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says “Prove Obama’s policies are doing this”.
        Not just Obama, Dave, it’s been going on for a very long time with Progressive Leaders in both parties. The proof is in the actual experience from those countries who have chosen the path of Big Government:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        And no, Dave67, the nonsense about Obama’s birth circumstance has not been dis-proven. But I could care less. Obama is just as Dangerous as any other Progressive is to our Freedom and Prosperity.

        Dave67 says “He is just another politician doing the bidding of big monied interests like Reagan, Bush, Clinton did”.
        And that absolves Obama? Two, or three, or four …. Wrongs make a right, Dave?

        Yes, Dave, you wear your tin hat well.

        Read the articles and books that I linked to Dave and ditch that tin foil hat.

      • Dave67

        Dave H,

        Once again, not a single question answered or single point refuted. And I am the one with the tin hat?

        Your links are all too people that believe capitalism can do no wrong. Capitalism, Socialism. Communism are all forms of economic systems that can and have been corrupted by the human conditions of greed, lust, jealousy, laziness, and apathy. No one system is perfect. There needs to be a system of checks and balances to guard against abuse.

        Our system of checks and balances have been corrupted by big corp money in the process electing our “leaders” The road to our economic fall was paved a long time before Obama even thought of public service as his destiny. Reagan was not a progressive… Phil Gramm was not a progressive… You can sit there and try and blame liberals and progressives all you want but the reality is that the past 30 years have been shaped economiccally by conservative corporatists.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 (or Flashman?) says “Once again, not a single question answered or single point refuted”.
        I have been disproving your Bull Dung for quite a while today, Dave. All anybody need do is follow my comments to you to see that. So is this just a Liberal thing — expecting people to be too ignorant to be able to read and see that you are lying? It’s odd that the most ignorant class of People — The Liberals, are quick to assume that the rest of us are equally Ignorant. Projection I guess.

      • Dave67

        DaveH says:
        February 20, 2012 at 10:49 am
        Dave67 (or Flashman?) says “Once again, not a single question answered or single point refuted”.
        I have been disproving your Bull Dung for quite a while today, Dave. All anybody need do is follow my comments to you to see that. So is this just a Liberal thing — expecting people to be too ignorant to be able to read and see that you are lying? It’s odd that the most ignorant class of People — The Liberals, are quick to assume that the rest of us are equally Ignorant. Projection I guess.

        ——————

        Yet you side with the “Obama is not a citizen” crowd.

        Ok DaveH, which country should we model our economy on? Surely you have the name of the country that has no Gov interference in its economy on the tip of your fingers.

        Misguided is more what I think about you and your positions.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Dave67 is undoubtedly “Flashy/Flashman”…not even a good try…

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Ohh, you beat me to the punch, Jeff! Two clues that gave him away; 1.still tormenting DaveH, and 2. Eddie agrees with him! LOL!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy says “Yet you side with the “Obama is not a citizen” crowd.”

        Uh Flashy, I think it’s “Obama is not a NATURAL born citizen”. Of course, in your world it’s OK to leave out important words…like “natural born” and maybe in something like global warming vs “man made” global warming… :)

        Obama’s daddy was not a US citizen and Obama’s mother would have had to have lived ten (10) years in the U.S., five (5) of which were after she reached the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18), and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship. Obama could only have become a U.S. citizen if naturalized, and a naturalized citizen is not qualified and/or eligible to run for the office of President of the United States. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section I.

      • Dave67

        Jeff and Jay,

        Sorry, I am new to this blog and I am sorry if I do not fall in line with either of your thinking.

        Obama was born in HI. Elligible to be president. Do you have anything else?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Whatever you say, Flashy; nudge nudge, wink wink! LOL!

      • DaveH

        Are you at least smart enough, Flashman, to use a different IP address this time? Bob will know if you even have the same domain qualifiers in your IP address, so you’ll have to switch ISPs to be really safe from detection.

      • DaveH

        If you aren’t Flashman, Dave, it is an amazing coincidence. You use the same techniques of equivocation, fabricating facts, and putting words in my mouth that Flashman uses. Or is it just a typical Liberal trait to be dishonest?

        Dave67 (Flashman) said — “This nonsense was disproven a long time ago”.
        And I responded — “no, Dave67, the nonsense about Obama’s birth circumstance has not been dis-proven. But I could care less. Obama is just as Dangerous as any other Progressive is to our Freedom and Prosperity”.

        Does that sound like I’m siding with anybody? I was merely disputing your erroneous claim that “This nonsense was disproven”.
        Logic escapes you, doesn’t it Dave67?

      • Dave67

        Dave H,

        So we are clear, you use a right wing propaganda book to use to refer people to to make your ‘supposed” points.

        I ask you a simple question about the country we should use to model the United States after that has no Gov intervention (you cannot name) and I gave you 3 examples of how monopolies can be created and you have no response.

        Are you 5 ft 2 inches tall? You seem to have the same issues that short people have when people say they have a Napoleon complex.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Sure Flashy errr Dave67…whatever you say. …once again, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen and therefore is not eligable to be POTUS…When Obama was born he was not a “natural born citizen” since both parents of a child must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in order for the child to be a “natural born” citizen. In addition to the requirement as to the parents citizenship status, the child must also be born in the USA. Obama may be a “born citizen” depending on the evidence in Hawaii. But “born” is NOT synonymous with “natural born”.

        One more time…Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in the USA for the child to be a “natural born citizen” per our Constitution’s framers intent and the “natural law”, as codified by Vattel in 1758 in his legal reference treatise, “The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”. The “divided loyalties” concerns of the framers of a person who is selected to serve as our President and Commander-in-Chief of our military comes into play. Thus the framers required a “natural born” citizen only mandate in the U.S. Constitution for the Office of President and Commander-in-Chief of our military.

      • Dave67

        Oh Jeffrey,

        Age and Citizenship requirements – US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

        No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

        The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship

        To prove you are selective in your interpretation:

        “Nobody seemed to care that John McCain was born in 1936 in the Republic of Panama. True he was born in what was then considered the United States Panama Canal Zone, but the territory was never sovereign territory of the United States. The 1903 treaty between the US and the Republic of Panama creating the Panama Canal Zone did not cede territory to the US, it only granted certain perpetual rights under what was basically a lease. The 1936 General Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation signed by President Franklin Roosevelt relinquished some of those US rights a mere six months before McCain’s birth. Clearly not all individuals born in United States territories are automatically US citizens, just ask the millions of people who were born in the Philippines while it was a US territory. They can’t all run for President, can they?

        The Fourteen Amendment which states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” There is no mention of territories. People born in territories are not citizens at birth, they must be naturalized at some point after birth. Right? Should the media have looked into this? But even if people born in US territories are born US citizen, what about people born abroad. Shouldn’t the media have researched candidates who were born abroad?

        When Mitt Romney’s father George Romney ran for President in 1968, nobody seemed to care that he was born in Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico.”

        You sir and a nut and you your tin hat is now ready for you.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy…tin hat ans a nut? LMAO! I believe Mr. Livingston also covered this a few weeks ago as well as others…but I don’t expect you to grasp the reality or the intent of the founding fathers.

        “Natural born citizenship” is defined in the 250 year old scholarly book, “Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”, written in 1758, decades before our Constitution and was used as a scholarly reference by our U.S. Constitution’s framers. Some excerpts, “… natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. … I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country”.

        The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled in 4 cases which speak of the notion of “natural born citizenship”. Each of these 4 cases will cite or apply the definition of this term, as given in a book entitled, The Law of Nations, written by Emmerich de Vattel.
        http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/

        When Obama wrote his first book he titled it “Dreams from My Father”. He wrote of his father in Kenya and how his father hoped and dreamed of changing the Kenyan government and the world to Socialism and Marxism. How prophetic Vattel’s words are in describing natural law and the propensity of man to identify with the land of their father. Obama did not write “Dreams from My Mother” and of America for his source of inspiration, dreams, and aspirations. Obama wrote of his father and his father’s Kenyan goals for Socialism and Marxism as his inspiration and his dreams of what he wanted to accomplish in America and for the world.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH
      • Joe H

        Dave67,flashy,whatever,
        nobody here is suggesting a country with no government intrusion. They ARE, however, asking that those intrusions be limited to those granted to them by the constitution!!! I Konw! there’s that pesky constitution thingy you progs don’t like!!!

    • Howard Roark

      Dont empeach him. empeachment is reserved for legitimate Presidents. We must still have the courts remove him for fraud. two of the rules of law concerning fraud are 1. there ios no statute of limitations on fraud. Obama can be prosecuted long after he leaves office. 2. when fraud is commited it is fraud (ab initio) from the beginning. basically this means that when fraud has been commited any thing that happens after the initial fraud is automatically null and void (fraudulent) as it was based on the initial fraud. every thing he signed or did will be overturned. if he is empeached it will give Obama the appearance of being legitament.

      • Daniel-Christopher

        Yep arrested and tried for fraud would be awesome. then we would have the chance to erase his name from the records as ever having been ‘president of the corporation’ aka U.S.A.

  • nick beck

    in reading the other comments i gather that there is a certain agreement, however there are still too many of you that still believe elections are the answer or too many are still counting on GOD to take care of this mess. sorry but THIS TIME god will need to work thru us and it WILL NEVER be accomplished thru peaceful means or wishful thinking—-we are actually going to have to stand up, come forward and DO SOMETHING or shut up and keep taking a beating…..

    • Dave67

      God has nothing to do with this. This situation was created by men and only men can deal with it. I wish people would take ownership of the world they create instead of using “god” as a crutch to make excuses for millenia of bad behavior. Was god on our side when slavery was legal? When we slaughtered the indigienous people of North America for “manifest destiny”? Believe god or some higher power is around but this situation is all man made and so is the solution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/operationupturn Jeanne Goldberg

        Dave, I know you mean well, and wouldn’t it be wonderful if there was a God to handle all of our problems. In my eighty years of living, I have been ripped off by more “God fearing”
        people than atheists. My bet is that all the greedy crooks go to some kind of religious service…contribute to their church, synagogue or Mosque and during the rest of the time they do business “as usual.” The best part of the way you feel is that being religious is good for YOUR body and mind–if you are inclined toward kindness, not wrath. Being religious–Mother Theresa style–is healthy physiologically and can give you positive ani-stress benefits. I think Bob Livingston–a lifelong health expert–could concur with that. As for GOD being the solution, you need to be a little careful about your view there. I have read a lot about the “neurobiology of religious terrorism.” and if you check on it you will find that most of the religious terrorists–whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim–feel that GOD is inside of them…approving and instructing them to do what they do. That is why they all can kill the innocent along with the guilty. They feel confident…lead by God…they
        are doing the right thing.

      • DaveH

        I’m an Atheist, and I’m a lot more afraid of the Godless Progressives than I am of the God-fearing religious people. At least the religions are trying to teach morality. Whether the followers listen to the preaching or not is another matter. On the contrary, Progressives are teaching Immorality disguised as “Fairness” or “Equality” or whatever other flowery terms they can use to disguise their true nature — that of self-centered behavior and Power over others.
        I will take my chances with Religious people over the anti-Freedom, economy-killing Big Government Progressives any day of the week.

      • http://www.facebook.com/operationupturn Jeanne Goldberg

        Dave.. ..I directed my comment to the wrong person. You also think like I do that rational, decent people have to solve our problems. I know a lot of people feel–in all situations–
        that “God will provide.” The best part of that thinking is that it gives them hope. The worst part is–if they take no action to solve the problem(s) they are dealing with, the problems continue. We have learned that all the greedy, the crooks and their associates have “strategies” for their financial success…whether it be lobbys, payoffs, parties, false advertising, spinning, cheating, lying, hiding information, controlling media…whatever. People who want to solve our very serious problems need to do more than pray…they need to overcome the huge mountain of influence their opponents have and need to selectively strategize to chip pieces off the mountain of influence piece by piece. We must remember that old, but real view….if you are not part of the solution, you are (or can be) part of the problem. You help it continue by doing nothing about it but hope.

      • John

        Jeanne,

        The following 2 quotes from one of the largest mass murderers of modern times show that you are right :

        Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

        - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

        I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator, by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

        Adolf Hitler
        Mein Kampf

      • DaveH

        Jeanne,
        As Government Grows, Corruption Flows. The only way out of this mess is to get back to the Constitutional Limits that our Country’s Founders established. As long as we allow Government to Unconstitutionally meddle in our economy, they will find ways to help their Crony Capitalists at the expense of their smaller competitors, their customers, and the taxpayers. For a real eye-opener, read this book:
        http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329752410&sr=8-1

      • Michael J.

        Dave67,
        You sound like just another typical America hater looking for an exuse for parroting worn out progressive liberal talking points, boring.

      • Dave67

        Michael J,

        No, I love this country and what it has the potential to become but to make this history of this country this rosy picture and think that only bad things have happened in recent history is well… a lie.

        WE need to hold people accountable and take personal responsibility for the world we live in. Leaving it all in “gods” hands is a cop out.

      • cawun cents

        Wow…….where do I start?
        Perhaps first with free will.
        Maybe Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics?
        World History 101?
        Biblical Theory?

        There is a tendency to point fingers.It has been present since the dawn of civilization.Blame one group so that your future efforts to manipulate the thinking of others is more likely to be successful.There is and has been slavery in the world perpetually.It has to do with your views of how things work.If you lean on the teachings of some,you see slavery as something which was present in the past.Let me enlighten you.
        If I claim that you owe me,based upon the fact that I did something good for you,then I create a situation where you feel obligated to repay me.That is and has been called endentured servitude.
        It is a form of slavery which has been extant in our world since time as we know it began.
        It is then your duty to be told just how far that goes,by those who have endentured your servitude.
        When a governing body borrows that which it does not posess,to do something nice for you,and then claims you owe them for doing it,you have become(unwillingly I might add)an endentured slave,by definitions put forth eons ago.
        The propagandists who instructed you in school failed to teach you of this condition.You failed miserably to find it out for yourself.
        You think slavery is a condition of blacks being brought here to work for rich white men because you have been taught that in the finer institutions of education.
        Eau Contraire’ mon ami.
        You have been duped and conditioned to believe that you have conditions which do not inherently exsist,and which have been subverted into your psyche to create complacency.
        You ARE a slave.
        Maybe not by the definition you have been taught,but a slave nevertheless.
        You ARE complicit in murder of innocents.
        Perhaps you did not pulll the trigger or insert the speculum,but you are guilty nevertheless.
        This being the case,since you pay taxes to”help our leaders”,and enjoy endentured servitude to them for those purposes,then who is left to establish your guilt,when you point the finger at others?Do you even see how you could be complicit?Arent you patently aware of these conditions?If you know what ethics are,then arent you as guilty as the next endentured servant?
        Apparently you havent thought these things through with any kind of liberality present in your mind.You havent applied criticism to your own thoughts,and actions.
        So you have nothing left but TO point fingers at others.

        “True knowledge only comes from within,the rest is only borrowed plumage”-Musashi

        It would appear to the educated observer that you borrow from those who desire to blame the impossible to indict.Those who came in the past,and those who are not actually to blame.
        How can you then be considered to have a relevant point of view?
        Perhaps you should ask yourself more questions.Instead of relying on the gathered intelligence of those with an agenda to subvert your inherent wisdom,you should make a concerted effort to look within and examine your own guilt.
        Then true wisdom comes forth to bite you in the hinds and give you real purpose.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • Michael J.

        Dave67 said:

        “WE need to hold people accountable and take personal responsibility for the world we live in.”

        Where better to start than the present administration and his band of merry men (and woman)?

      • eddie47d

        Dave H is only partially right since Progressives/Liberals are fighting for Freedom and Liberty all the time. They go out of their way to see that their fellow man has equal rights and that the playing field is leveled for all to have equal Opportunity.So you are very wrong on that account. Are there those who are extreme and think the government is their sugar daddy with an endless pocketbook. You are correct from that angle. There are also oodles of Capitalists on Wall Street and on Main street who will also take free money from you and exploit the economy and even the government itself. I don’t see many saints in that bunch anymore and Goldman Sacs may or may not be leading that charge. There are way too many opportunists anymore to know who is shafting whom. I see immorality on both sides of the economic and social scheme of things so laying it all on Progressives is shallow and insincere. When it come to wars in America it is Christians who seem to rally for unnecessarily conflicts faster than liberals do. As a Christian I am saddened how easy it is for them to turn to religious doomsday scenerios as an excuse to attack any nation.

      • Dave67

        Michael J. says:
        February 20, 2012 at 10:47 am
        Dave67 said:

        “WE need to hold people accountable and take personal responsibility for the world we live in.”

        Where better to start than the present administration and his band of merry men (and woman)?

        ———

        Yes, and at the same time the Congress and the conservative activist SC on the Gov side. Nobody is immune… Not corporations either.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Hey Flashy, still trying to sell your pig-slop i see!

      • TIME

        CC,

        Very good post dude!!

      • Joe H

        Dave67/Flushy,
        Here’s an example of government intrusion for you.
        Say I, a businessman, want to build a baseball stadium and I have all but three properties in an area to build. Now I don’t want to pay what those properties are worth. well, I go to the city and sell them my plan. now we come in, TAKE your property at below current values, build the stadium, and now you are out, the city has a fifteen million dollar bill for a twelve million dollar stadium and are real close to bankruptcy! We have to cut police, firemen, services to the city, and RAISE TAXES!! THAT’S the type of government interferance I want to see gotten rid of! this couldn’t happen??? Check out Eastlake Ohio, Bubba!!!

    • Sarah R.

      Nick Beck. That all sounds great but look at Russia right now. The people or protesting in the streets because of the illegal, fradulent election of Putin. This is going to happen here. We may never see another president. Obama may be the last if we don’t do something. God help us. He will show us the way.

  • Deerinwater

    Love the picture, rat banker, ~ nice touch. Just as I pictured them, LOL!

    It’s good to hear some “names” coming forward for change.

    These individuals work in secrecy , let us take that away for them.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    “The Lord knoweth the way of the RIGHTEOUS but the way ot the UNGODLY shall perish.” This is the good news but the world has a lot of accumulated knowledge that is useless apart from the wisdom of God. “Unless The Lord builds the house we labor in vain that build it.” .I find that God’s Word is to simple for most to understand.

    • JUKEBOX

      Henry, most Liberals and Progressives are just educated beyond their level of intelligence.

      • John

        Most liberals and progressives will tell you that reading a bronze age book of fairy tales is not considered education.

      • Deerinwater

        I think there an “education” to be had in, bobbing for french fries.

        But If you can’t apply education, i’m not sure that it’s worth that much to you.

        For “some” progressives to be so inert as you suggest, doesn’t say a lot for self proclaimed “Conservative” does it?

        This attempting to typify, generalizes and demonizes progressives does you more harm them it does them.

        I know that It’s not within my power to erase or alter a pictures in your mind but in truth this serve progressives best and wouldn’t attempt it but actually feed it.

        Hey man! You gotta quarter?

      • Joe H

        you want a quarter? go get a job flippin burgers!

  • http://www.facebook.com/operationupturn Jeanne Goldberg

    I see myself as an average middle class American. In the past…proud to be a citizen of the US and pleased that my immigrant parents came here from Russia and Lithuania to give us freedom and opportunity. I was a teacher in public and private “special” schools, a committeewoman for years, chairman of the League of women voters and a Health Education Director of a YWCA. I am 8O years old. After losing a lot of my investments in
    the “downturn,” getting ripped off by insurance companies–not getting long term care for a sick husband (who died) and not getting insurance after he paid into it for 46 years (was too sick to make the last huge pavement)…I AM AS ANGRY AND YOU CAN GET! I put together a Facebook web site to tell others to BE ALERT, PAY ATTENTION AND FIND WAYS TO SAVE THEMSELVES. I am not too smart at the social marketing stuff and see that it has limited range. It really “bugs” me that so many self serving men and women from Wall Street, politicians and some business people are so, so greedy…not caring how so many are suffering. The only solution I can see is that we all have to continue putting their names “out there”… but that has it’s dangers too. Like the current political campaign–which is a complete garbage dump–some nasty people can put out false information on some people. And to think…my whole life, I was brought up with the idea that “justice will triumph.” UGH! I am giving people ideas online that I had never thought about my whole live…like ditching our good ole USA for other shores. Maybe…with the new patriot act…I will be considered a threat. Can’t you see them dragging this little old lady with white hair to Guantanamo. It is conceivable…with the way things are going these days…..

    Check out my Facebook page at: http://www.facebook.com/operationupturn

    • DaveH

      When you say “Can’t you see them dragging this little old lady with white hair to Guantanamo”, Jeanne, I say “Yes, I can”. Sound logic and exposure of the Leaders’ real agendas are what the Leaders fear most.

    • http://yahoo joe matovich

      Dear Jeanne I admire your courage.I to went through a simalar situation with my beloved wife of 39 years.
      I do think they would drag you off to gitmo if they thought you to be a treat.I belive they would eat their children to continue their lifes as they are. God bless you and the U.S.A.

    • JUKEBOX

      Jeanne, always remember that a lie can go all the way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on.

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      Jeanne Goldberg, I believe that this was a great country to come to at one time or both of us wouldn’t be here but, it is disheartening and maddening to know that you’ve been lied to all of your life. Where would you go where this crazy system doesn’t have a tentacle into? If you’re going to leave you probably should do it as soon as possible because they’ll close the ports one day like they did in Germany and the enemies of the state will be trapped here and will be ripe for the picking.

  • DaveH

    The question is — Will the uninformed public use this kind of information to misguidedly advocate for more Government, when in fact it is a result of too much Government providing cover for the Goldman Sachs types of Crony Capitalists?
    What we need is to get Government out of the Marketplace so they can’t provide the Crony Capitalists with special protections via subsidies, regulations, tariffs, quotas, and the other gimmicks used by Crony Politicians to favor their Crony Capitalists at the expense of their smaller competitors, their customers, and the taxpayers.
    Vote Libertarian for Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, Individual Liberty, and the PEACE that results from that Freedom:
    http://libertarianparty.com/platform

    • Dave67

      DaveH,

      There is no such thing as a “free” market when you have different forms of Gov, economic systems and currencies. Leaving a market with no gov regs leads to monopolies and market collusion. Both are bad for people, workers and ultiomately the country.

      • Michael J.

        Dave67,
        So what you are saying without saying it, is that Socialism would work better?

      • DaveH

        Okay Dave, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just have a lot of learning to do.
        Monopolies can’t exist without the Power of Big Government to back them up. The only Monopolies that have ever existed in this country were those created by Big Government.
        Read this book, and come back a wiser man:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

        Especially read Chapter Four to better understand the reality of Monopolies.

      • Dave67

        Michael J,

        No, that is not what i am saying…. I think a combination of the two work best. Some things the Gov does better… Space exploration, the creation of the internet, the interstate highway system could not happen without the Gov.

        There has to be a good and competitive environment to make a better wheel (capitalism) but the Gov should act as a check against the abuses of corporations and unions.

        Dave H.

        Prove your nonsense about only Gov inifluence creates monopolies. Show me any country that has existed in the industrial age or post-industrial age that was a “free market” and without Gov interference. That country has NEVER existed. Your ideas are “theories” that fail just as badly as communism fails.

      • DaveH

        Obviously this is a reincarnation of Flashman.

        If you claim, Dave67, that monopoly can exist without Government, the burden of proof is on you. Name, for instance, a single Monopoly that has ever existed in this country without the aid of Government?

      • DaveH

        And whether Free Enterprise has ever existed in its purest form is purely a non sequitur. Perfection also has never existed, but does this mean we shouldn’t strive for it?
        It is just a fact of life that Leaders aspire to Absolute Power and they always have plenty of ignorant people to enable them. Only a very well informed citizenry can keep them at bay.

      • Dave67

        No DaveH,

        you are the one saying you can’t have a molopoly situation in any market without the Gov. So prove that gratuitous assertion. Tell me how in a completely free market economy how no company would ever buy another company or companies would never collude to stop a new company from bringing a competitive product to market.

        Tell me which country that there has been no interference in the economy and prove that success.

        You can’t.

      • DaveH

        No, Dave, the burden of proof is on you. Since a monopoly has never existed in this country without the aid of Government, I would say that you are going to have a hard time proving it.
        There is absolutely no way any company could secure a monopoly without using the Force of Government, or operating so efficiently that no other company of people could compete against them. In the latter case, we would all benefit. But to imagine a company being so exclusively possessive of such superior intellect and prognosticative powers is something only a blindered Liberal could do.

      • Michael J.

        Dave67,
        The only private sector monopoly I can think of created without government cronyism was by Parker Bros.

        But seriously, These clandestine symbiotic relationships are not made known to the public in general.

      • DaveH

        Here’s another good read for those who would like to learn the fallacy of the Natural Monopoly allegations by Progressives:
        http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/R92_3.pdf

        Bottom line, the Progressives are lying to us. They gain advantage from Big Government whether they are Leaders themselves or they are just buying favors from the Leaders. They promote myths about Natural Monopolies so that they can persuade those people, who rely more on emotions than on logic and facts, to go along with their anti-competitive plans. Progressives have visions of Power dancing in their heads. It’s up to the rest of us to get educated to reality and stop them.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        DaveH, in regards to Dave67; does the term: “Déjà vu” come to mind? It seems Flashy, has a thing for you, and would like to take you on another merry-go-round ride!

      • Joe H

        Jay,
        If it is Flushy, I think I’ve figured it out. He only has so many arguements. When he comes to the end of them, he “becomes” someone new to recycle the compost!!!

  • henry

    Money buys Dems and Repugs. I cannot believe anyone would entrust either party to reform the system, because it is about money.
    It would take a massive march on Washington and State capitols to demand a vote on admending our constitution.
    “Get Money out of politics” and “Term Limits.”
    We need a Ralph Nadar type person to unite the 95% of Americans.

    • JUKEBOX

      If you do research on Nader, you will find that he is as duplicitous as most of the other politicians. He lives like a pauper, yet he owns over a million dollars worth of stocks in the very corporations he excoriates.

      • Joe H

        JUKEBOX,
        At least along with others money he is screwing his OWN! the Giverment screws with ONLY other peoples money!! THEY have NONE!!

  • Howard Roark

    Goldman/sachs is I believe one of the original owners of the Federal Reserve Bank. (which is not federal, has no reserves and is not a bank) the Fed has been robbing this country blind since 1913 when it was created unconstitutionally by a Republican Coingress and a Democrat president.(Woodrow Wilson) The US Supreme court ruled in I believe US vs. Bollard that it is unconstitutional for congress to change the constitution with legislation. We the People gave Congress and Congress alone the power to coin (not print) money. the Congress has no authority to give that power to another entity such as the Federal Resertve.

  • European American Taxpayer

    Every society that had no revolution for too long time comes to that state: The well-connected 1% exploit and rule the people.

    The European feudal serf of the dark ages didn’t say: Hey, let’s become serfs, let’s hand over our farm, horses and results of our work over to the Earl, who sits high on the hill in his castle or to the Bishop, who holds court in his residence!

    So didn’t the American “bankal” (bank-owned) serf say: Hey, let’s become serfs, let’s have our homes, cars and paychecks owned by the bankers who sit high in their office towers on Wall Street!

    It’s just the way it goes, and I (as an American taxpayer) always wonder what makes Americans think they are an exception to a many thousand year old rule. Only a nation that is only 7 generations old can indulge itself in the belief that it can get away without applying the solutions that have been carefully crafted in Europe over 2000 or 3000 years:

    - Chop off their heads, burn down their castles, distribute their wealth, move on for 3-6 generations, repeat. (old-fashioned approach).

    - Modern approach: Nip it in the buds by taxation of all income that isn’t income from work at 50-60% and build schools and public infrastructure with that money, that was earned by the people.

    • http://yahoo joe matovich

      I agree with what you said. and believe it is coming. but what a horrible day that will be.

    • John

      You said:
      “It’s just the way it goes, and I (as an American taxpayer) always wonder what makes Americans think they are an exception to a many thousand year old rule. ”

      This feeling of American that they are exceptional and the believe that Americans are better then all others and that laws of civilizations (and for that mater the laws of the rest of the world) don’t apply to us is the direct result of the outcome of the second world war and part of a deliberate deception of the American public. It did helped people trough the psychological strain of the cold war, but it also has resulted in an apathy and short sightedness of the American public. They believe that they are invincible and that the rest of the world is inferior in all aspect. Everything American is the first, best, greatest and strongest, totally ignoring reality and the signs of self destruction of this country. Rome felt the same way, they though they where invincible, gods to others and the rest of the world where barbarians.. They ignored the signs that others had advanced past them and that actually there where civilizations out there that where more advanced then them, and thus they fell… It will be the natural outcome for this country, unless people are waking up from they’re government induced stupor. And I do not see any signs of that happening.

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      European American Taxpayer, I like what you said until you got to the part about wealth redistribution. Chopping off their heads might be the right thing to do because they are too dangerous to leave alive but, wealth redistribution doesn’t work. Is the average person in Europe better off than the average American after having done some of that? I don’t know because I’ve never been there so I’m really asking a question I need answered. My suspicions are that they aren’t any better off over there and wealth redistribution didn’t really work there. It seems to me that all of this chopping off of heads and so on won’t really fix anything in the long run. People have to learn the hard way and the only thing people really value is what they work for and that’s what made the peasants made enough to revolt in the first place: all of their hard earned wealth was being stolen without even a thank you.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I think the only solution, is to prepare for the worst. Buy firearms, ammunition, food, water, survival equipment, and books.

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      Capitalist at Birth, you said it. Take care of your own and if none of what we believe, happens, then we’ll be just that much farther ahead of the curve. But, something is going to happen: this whole system is going to explode and believe it or not, right in the faces of those who believe they are in control of everything.

  • steve

    Thats why the establishment wants Romney. He will protect the status quo.

    • Michael J.

      steve,
      Picture if you will, a convergence of the two characters, Obama and Romney. Because if either of these is how you choose, Obamney is what you’ll get. And onward down the progressive path we’ll go, reluctant players in the Rothschilds show.

      • John

        Romney and for that mater Newt, and ever Santorum to a point will continue Obama’s policies.. but now they would be on steroids with either of them having congress full support. Anyone who believes that they will shrink government and cut spending does not realize that the word ‘politician” is synonymous for “liar”.

  • Michael J.

    Goldman Sachs is but one tool in the Rothschild tool box. You deceive yourself however, if you think their drive is the accumulation of money, they allready have it all, Fort Knox is empty leaving all of us to quibble over worthless paper. Their goal now is power, the power to rid the world of the worthless eaters who polute and consume. Half a billion mindless drones is sufficient for keeping the car waxed, cleaning the mansions and mowing the lawns while the elite enjoy the world wide garden they envision free from it’s current infestation of commoners.

    • DaveH

      Don’t know about the half billion, but I do believe that those “useful idiots”, who provided the votes and are generally unskilled, will be the first to go when Progressives have impoverished our country — As they always do.
      See here for the reality of Big Government, Folks:
      http://heritage.org/index/ranking

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Michael J,

      Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.
      Mayer Amschel Rothschild

  • TIME

    Bob,

    Thanks this is one of your best Blogs so far.

  • FreedomFighter

    I have mentioned this because I see an increasing number of pundits who advocate money printing as the only solution to the problem of bank insolvencies.

    Of course they do, it was the plan from the start: Controlled burn, buy up America’s hard assets for worthless dollars, bring in the new worthless money…all the time implementing Agenda 21, destruction of the constitution and march to slavery of the American people.

    The time for military to remove a tyrant from power is very close, by definition TREASON is being commited.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • http://yahoo joe matovich

      Yes it is time for the military to step up and overthrow 437 treasonis self absorbed bastards.along with the bureaucrats that advise them.
      How ever i don’t see any general with the stones to do that.at least serving today.!

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      I agree with you FreedomFighter, the highest treason at that. I always have said that if the people fully understood what has been perpetrated on them they’d find out who was responsible, drag them out then hang em.

  • Dan

    Lots of great info and comments here, Thanks to those providing info links. The sad thing is that as an individual, besides voting for Ron Paul ( i refuse to vote for any other status quo goldman sachs puppet ), I dont see much I can do about this global situation other than prepare for the worst and do my best to inform the ignorant and brainwashed about the reality of the situation. I’m planning for the inevitable social and economic meltdown as much as I can given a limited budget…After losing my home due to drastic wage decreases for both my wife and I, we’re getting lean and mean. No more debts, cash on hand, buying silver, guns,ammo, food stocks. People call me paranoid or reactionary, but I read the writing on the wall, and there’s no happy ending.

    • DaveH

      Sorry to hear about your home loss, Dan.

      • Dan

        Thanks DaveH! In looking back on it now, I am actually glad it happened. The ordeal opened my eyes to the true nature of the banking system, and how I was a debt slave. Now I have no debts, no expensive homeowners insurance or property taxes, no HOA fees, mobility, cash on hand and one less thing tying me down. I do look forward to being able to purchase land and build a home, but I will only do it when I have the money on hand outright to do so, and if that will be in America is still up in the air. i fear for the future of this country, given its present state and the apathy of the general populace.

      • DaveH

        I have always advocated saving and buying a home cash, but the problem with that is that our money is becoming worth less faster than we can save enough to buy a home.
        If we could rid our country of the Federal Reserve, and get back to sound money, saving would definitely be the smart way to do it.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Dan, also sorry for your losses but admire your resolve…keep up the good fight.

    • TIME

      Dan,

      I wish you much positive energy, your attitude is outstanding, and I admire your ability to keep a clear head even during such horriffic events. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.
      There is hope my friend but we still need at least 10% more of the American populace to wake up and get with the program.
      We have one last chance to get this train back on the right rails, if we can all work to get Dr. Ron Paul elected I have faith he will work to bring us back from the hell hole we are now headed to. Keep the faith Dan.

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      I had to learn the same lesson you did: make do with what you have. I still owe but, can’t pay and the debts I owe are government debts so there is no way out of those unless I pay them or die. I don’t live in fear but, I know that I’ll be one of the first to get hauled in when the people decide that the government must be paid. Until then I’ll just keep making do with what I have. Good for you man.

  • http://twitter.com/Morning_tony Morning_tony (@Morning_tony)

    WOW talk about a Jack Abramoff Moment heres one ……

    http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/20/alleged-leaked-slideshow-shows-drone-lobby-group-bragging-about-taking-major-role-in-crafting-legislation/

    New 2012 Campaign Slogan ……… ” Pay them with some of this stuff ” …..

    $6 Trillion in Allegedly Fake U.S. Bonds Hidden in Federal Reserve Mother Box Seized
    http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/20/6-trillion-in-allegedly-fake-u-s-bonds-hidden-in-federal-reserve-mother-box-seized/

    Lord James of Blackheath: Mystery 15 Trillion Dollars Transferred to HSBC For Royal Bank of Scotland Connected to JP Morgan and Federal Reserve

    http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/19/lord-james-of-blackheath-mystery-15-trillion-dollars-transferred-to-hsbc-for-royal-bank-of-scotland-connected-to-jp-morgan-and-federal-reserve/

    Banking giant accused of laundering billions…. correction , Trillions !!!!!
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/banking-giant-accused-of-laundering-billions/

    Is this how Money is Funneled into the Overthrows of Egypt , Libya , and now it looks like Syria ?

    Operation Fast and Furious Goes International in the Middle East ???????
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/world/middleeast/mccain-and-graham-suggest-helping-syrian-rebels.html?_r=2&hp
    The news about this here is extensive ,
    http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/20/two-us-senators-call-for-arming-syrian-opposition-filled-with-al-qaeda-terrorists/

  • Dave67

    Dave H,

    I have a couple questions for you .

    As Gov grows, corruption grows too… Ok, I can accept that because of the % involved.

    Do you think private companies can be equally as corrupt or more as they get bigger? Why not if you say no

    What is the incentive for a US Multinational company to do the right thing by the United States of America?

    How are US Multinationals held accountatble when they hold a monopolistic position in the marketplace?

    See… The Gov at least I have a vote, Companies, you have no such influence over… You have executives, their board (made up of other executives) and majority stockholders that make all the decisions. Your 1000 shares do not amount to a hill of beans in the decision making process of a Corporation.

    A Corporation was created in the first place so people could get out of being held personally responsibile for the things a company does.

    Gov, we either hold people accountable or we allow a small group to manipulate the entire nation for their agenda which for the past 30 years especially has been the corporate agenda.

    • DaveH

      Dave67 says — “Do you think private companies can be equally as corrupt or more as they get bigger?”.
      I think anybody can be corrupt, Dave. But the difference is that without Government Force, they CAN’T make us buy their products, and they can’t Unfairly stifle their competition. I find it odd that so many people fear the people in Companies, but they don’t fear those in Big Government where they really do have Power over us.
      Dave67 says — “What is the incentive for a US Multinational company to do the right thing by the United States of America?”.
      The incentive, Dave, is that without the Force of Government, they can’t make us buy their products.
      Dave67 says “How are US Multinationals held accountatble when they hold a monopolistic position in the marketplace?”.
      There can be no Monopolies without the Force of Government.
      Dave67 says “See… The Gov at least I have a vote, Companies, you have no such influence over”.
      We don’t, Dave? We have the biggest influence of all over companies — DON’T buy their products. Can you say that about Government?
      Dave67 says “A Corporation was created in the first place so people could get out of being held personally responsibile for the things a company does”.
      Try telling that to Bernie Madoff, Dave.

      You obviously have read none of the links I posted, Dave67. Why is that?

      • Dave67

        Sure we do not have to buy their products but when you have the power to fix prices or to be the only game in town, competition is effectively stifled. In Los Angeles, the Auto Industry and the oil industry colluded together to buy up the publica transportation system there and dismantle it. Are you seriously telling me they could not do this without gov intervention? Really????

        Tell me specifically how if there was no Gov interference, there could be no monopolies… So under no circumstance companies would buy other companies? Please explain.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says “Sure we do not have to buy their products but when you have the power to fix prices or to be the only game in town, competition is effectively stifled”.
        That is the most fallacious statement I’ve read in a while, Dave. Where do they get that Power to fix prices? Where do they get the power “to be the only game in town”? How do they “stifle” their competition?

      • DaveH

        I posted a link to a Free online book, Dave, for you to learn the answer to your questions without pestering me. What is keeping you from reading it? Are you afraid that you will have to face the fact that you’ve spent all your years in Ignorance?
        I’ll post it again for your convenience:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

        I doubt you really want to learn anything. My guess is that you’re either one of Flashman’s multiple personalities, or you are just a similar Troll here to disrupt others who are sincerely here to learn about Freedom and its resultant Prosperity.

      • Dave67

        Dave H,

        You say you do not know how a company can “fix” pricing let me help you out.

        Let me help you out. Scenario 1: Retail

        Company one is really successful. They deal with suppliers worldwide with products people want. They are the market leader in sales. They have enough buying power to negotiate with those other manufacturers to gain low prices they buy at and sell at to drive other competitors out of the marketplace

        Scenario 2: Auto

        4 Companies are in the business of making cars. Company one is the market leader in pickup trucks but wants to expand into higher mileage small cars. They can either, build their product from the ground up or at a less expensive cost buy company two that is the market leader in small cars with thier marketing, dealership network and production in place. Company 3 and 4 see this as a threat to their business so they make a deal to merge. Is that a unreasonable scenario? No…

        Scenario 3: Energy

        4 companies are in the business oil exploration and refining. They work with the auto industry to ensure that the country needs to run on their product so consumers have no choice but to use their finite resource. They communicate with each other and foriegn suppliers to set pricing for their product since they have figured out a delta in which they can max profit without any price wars.

        You deal in the theoretical… I deal in reality. Your links, while cute propaganda do not cut it in the real world. BTW, I can talk about energy because I worked Mobil Oil’
        s corp HQ in Fairfax VA before it merged with Exxon. I know what occurs there first hand.

      • Michael J.

        dave67,
        First you insist that private sector monopolies can exist without government cronyism, then you cite Mobile and Exxon as examples?

      • Dave67

        Michael J. says:
        February 20, 2012 at 11:24 am
        dave67,
        First you insist that private sector monopolies can exist without government cronyism, then you cite Mobile and Exxon as examples?

        ——

        No, that is how I know what goes on in this industry. Personal experience. That is one example of several.

        Since you cannot point to ANY country that has existed without gov interference in the internal workings of its economy or who it does business with from a foriegn competition standpoint in the industrial/post industrial age…

        You have only theory…. Karl Marx had a theory too… and guess what? It fails for the same reasons that Dave H’s and any other “free market” capitalist high priest theories fail… The human condition. The world is not simple… We all do not have a store where we try and sell the same products and services, we collude to make more profit, we buy up others because they have things we need to make our store better and that all leads to monopolistic practices.

        You can choose to have your head in the capitalist sand if you wish but I live in reality. You and Dave H should join me.

      • European American Taxpayer

        “DaveH says:

        February 20, 2012 at 10:06 am

        (…) the difference is that without Government Force, they CAN’T make us buy their products, and they can’t Unfairly stifle their competition. I find it odd that so many people fear the people in Companies, but they don’t fear those in Big Government where they really do have Power over us.

        DaveH, who is your ISP? Comcast? Or Verizon? Or Comcast? Or Verizon? Or Comcast? Or Verizon? Or …?

        Telecommunication is just one sector where it is obvious, that without BIG (and I mean BIG, BIG GOVERNMENT) there is no way they CAN’T make us buy their products.

        In Europe, where the telecom markets have been a governmoent monopoly for decades with bureaucrats running the show, and now a closely monitored “market” where the bureaucrats set the rules and keep the markets open, TV is free, broadband internet costs something between 9.99 and 19.99 (depending on the bandwidth) and a cell phone flat rate including data costs about 10 Euro/month ($13).

        That’s what you get with BIG, BIG government and high taxes: Competition even in mature markets.

        Without BIG, BIG government and at least as many bureaucrats as they (the companies) can afford to have lawyers, you get a monopoly.

        Everywhere. Always. That’s why I fear companies, I only have to compare my US cell phone contract to my European cell phone contract and I know this fear is real. Not even to talk about my health care, that costs me roughly 4x more than in Europe, because hospitals are companies (as are the insurance companies with all their lawyers and their fine-print no one regulates).

      • Joe H

        Dave67/Flushy,
        If you worked for mobile/exxon, then you should know what company they paid a multi million settlement to for patent infringement for additive packages?

      • DaveH

        Perhaps, Taxpayer, you could explain to me why the Post Office is failing, Amtrak is failing, Social Security is failing, Medicare is failing….
        They couldn’t even run a Brothel in Nevada.
        They only thing the Government is successful at is destroying things.

        • http://gravatar.com/miken25 miken25m

          Right on DaveH. Government is force and nothing but force.

      • DaveH

        How can any entity that has such Deep Pockets (ours) have so much trouble running a business?
        And how could any thinking person expect people whose jobs are virtually guaranteed, and who gain little for being successful, but suffer great abuse when failing, to stick their necks out and take the kind of educated risks that make businessmen successful?
        We could jawbone all day long, and it would change neither of our minds, but here is Real Life Experience of the results of Big Government:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking
        The size of a country’s Economy is inversely proportional to the size of its Government.
        Explain that one, Liberal.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        More nonsense… Without the Gov, you would not have the internet, Without the Gov you would not have the technology spawned from the space race, Without the Gov, you would not have the interstate road system, the air grid etc…

        Gov is only as bad or as good as the people we elect to run it. If you want to keep electing conservatives like George W Bush or Rick Santorum to run the country, be my guest just done be suprized when they screw the country up. It is not the Gov’s job to turn a profit or to create jobs, that is the private sector’s job. That is where your logic goes astray… The Gov provides services… Medicare is a needed service, A good public transportation service is a needed service, SS is a needed service. But your side loves their tax cuts but don’t cut their medicare or SS right? Tax cut and spend are the hallmarks of US conservatives.

        Maybe when you get some more life experience you will understand this.

      • Joe H

        Dave67,
        You gonna answer me??? Didn’t think so!!!

    • Deerinwater

      ” Where do they get that Power to fix prices? Where do they get the power “to be the only game in town”? How do they “stifle” their competition?”

      And you seem to be serious as you ask such a question. Again and again you continue to show us that you have little life experiences and a head swelled with academics.

      i would gladly answer your question if I thought for one minute it would serve some purpose.

      • DaveH

        Then answer it, fool.

    • JUKEBOX

      I believe that I finally figured it out. Dave 67 is Barry Soetoro’s pseudonym.

      • Dave67

        Sorry Jukebox,

        3-4 months ago I never heard of this Bob Livingston but I subscribed because I honestly want to hear the opinions from him. I am me, I apologize if I do not subscribe to the group think and propaganda of yours, Dave H’s, Jay’s and Jeffrey’s.

        Question, if you go into the gov to try and change the country, I what point do you become “evil”?

  • sniffer

    Loads of very good discourse… unspeakable information amounting to highest crimes against corruption! WOW! Dip into the detail. The contract with America ended anti-trust and predatory pricing laws. An endless cycle of consolidations, acquisitions, mergers, fund managers, mutual funds, and of course, interlocking directorships etc. took off in the early 1990’s. Buying “market share” ranged from vulture capitalism to predatory capitalism, which enabled monopolist concentration of wealth and power, which in turn, enabled the gutting of American productive infrastructure. Instead of individual stockholders we now have fund managers operating in pyramids of operating and financial control… holding companies within holding companies, ad infinitum… global monopolies are in control of finance and government. And… the American named giants moved their capital and infrastructure to slave nations (China), wherein process and labor costs became pennies on the dollar, plus huge non taxable profits blossomed as foreign sales to domestic trading segments move the same old “made elsewhere” US goods to the US. And here we are, a nation of part time bar code scanners, aspiring to become college graduates in community welfare, teaching, and politics. It gets back to supply and demand… a huge supply of useful idiots and nothing for anyone to do… sitting atop endless resources, recorded wisdom, innate talent, and the finest Constitutional guarantees… waiting for something to happen.

    Something is happening! Society is collapsing! Government is at war with the Ten Commandments, but no one can name one that is evil, or name one that doesn’t benefit themselves. God’s Covenants and our Constitution protect society and individuals. Reaping what one sows is self inflicted… good, bad, or otherwise!

    Freedom depends on free supply and demand. A president that unilaterally bans domestic free use of national resources that are freely provided by international monopolists at confiscatory prices must be charged with treason (economic destruction of our country)! Congress can and must do that! Solutions begin with tough anti-trust laws and ending corruption!

  • 6charles

    I saw this coming a long time ago. I bean to prepare for the eventual but was not fast enough. The main problem is that the vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the midst of the very few at the top. All else are left to scramble and scuffle for a small share of what is left after the rich get their enormous shares of wealth. People need to wake up to that which is going on and has been for a long time now. They need to take back the government and demand a change in the corrupt dysfunctional system now in place. It may be too late now already. We have been in a depression for a long time now. Since our monies are no longer worth anything more was printed and distributed so as to call this depression a recession instead of the real thing. Eventually, there is going to be a total collapse like in the 30s where many of the rich committed suicide to avoid being poor and having to compete on a level playing field. If things continue as they are and have been going for some time now this is the inevitable outcome. The wealth of the few at the top has risen by 300% while income of the vast majority has only gone up a mere 18% during the last two decades. In the process, the so-called middle class has dwindled to the point of nonexistence for all practical purpose. What good is it to have all of the money in the world if it becomes worthless? At that point one must be able to resort to living off the land like I was told that my grandparents did during “The Great Depression” and wait for better times to come along. I was told and, learned, from this as a young child. Wealth distribution is and always has been unfair amongst mankind. Instead of learning from the past and changing, people continually engage in the mistakes of the past. Gadafi made the mistake of demanding gold instead of dollars and euros (which he saw as being worthless) in exchange for Libyan oil. You see what happened to him as a result. The major problem in this world is that some make way too much for doing little of nothing while the majority tend to receive too little for working in actuality. Bush II made the mistake of giving money to big banks. Then, came the lying A**hole Bush III (Obama) who chose to follow this failed policy and take it to a higher level at the expense of those that were the most vulnerable. All that I can give credit to Bush II is that he did give the lower rung of us a bit of chump change in his process. Obama needs to go along with the incumbents in congress and get replaced by real regular people in order to deal with this mess that is now upon us in a realistic manner. This problem began with Reagan’s “trickle down” policy which keeps being revisited. This a flawed ideology that will never work. I did not ever vote for any of the aforementioned three presidential phonies and will not vote for the one in office now for reelection this time around. Before people begin to cut me down for making that statement, let it be known that I am a sixty-three year old black man. I saw a major flaw in his character during his supposed racial speech that steered me away from him. I was criticized by some for not voting for him just because he is supposed to be black like me. I must say that he turned out to be ten times worse than I expected. Furthermore; some of the very people that felt that I was wrong lost their jobs shortly after he took over. Good for them. They got what they deserved for being so foolish. This guy in office now should have gone the opposite rout of the one he took. I know of a song by Bachman Turner Overdrive entitled “You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet”. I am afraid that Obama will be reelected, unfortunately, along with most of those up for reelection. If this occurs, that song will have new meaning in my opinion. One other song comes to mind in the event that this happens.
    Santana had a song entitled “I Ain’t Got Nobody”. Check these two songs out if you can find them. You may, then, understand what is to come and what you will need to do in order to avoid being one of the many that will perish in the coming years. Good luck.

    • AlNewman

      Not to be a smart elec, but what might be more informative than songs would be to go to he ‘American Thinker’ blog and go to archives. Here, I’ll save you the time:

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

      The Cloward Pivens Strategy was written I believe in 1963. I think the article was written in 2008.. Keep in mind that Frances Fox-Pivens is one of Obama’s closest advisors today. Cloward died years ago.

      Pretty much explains everything.

      • Deerinwater

        “Yet, no one to my knowledge has yet connected all the dots between Barack Obama and the Radical Left. When seen together, the influences on Obama’s life comprise a who’s who of the radical leftist movement, and it becomes painfully apparent that not only is Obama a willing participant in that movement, he has spent most of his adult life deeply immersed in it.”

        “Painfully apparent” ? Well then, that’s good enough for me!

        Strategical Manufactured Crisis is as old as dirt and being employed daily by all humans.

        These conservative blogs, never ceases to amaze and amuse. Do liberals have the same thing, like ~something besides HuffPost? I would suspect that they do. Do any of you check them out to see that lies are being spread?

      • DaveH

        Deer,
        Try Dailykos.com.
        You would fit right in.

    • Sarah R.

      To 6charles. I like what you had to say. Its just too bad we didn’t know about this sooner. I have known this scenario for a long time but never saw it in print until today. Now that its out in the open “We The People” must and I say must do something. We can’t just sit by and watch all this go down. America, before Obama, was agreat country but, lets face it, Obama has awakened us. We must stay alert we have a fight ahead of us. We must choose our next president carefully.

      • European American Taxpayer

        Sarah R,

        it was long before Obama that America went belly up. I thank every day Ronald Reagan for removing the American middle class. I came to this country 6 years ago with nothing but my European education: I right away earned enough to not being anymore “middle class” (by the numbers, but I am still at heart), I now own already several houses I rent out to what was American middle class before Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush: They just get by and are even thankful to be able to give me most of their income because I at least give them housing that is not as bad as what the “investors” (the speculants!) are renting out.

        Thank you Ronald Reagan for lethally wounding the American middle class.

        Thank you George W. Bush for making this process irreversible.

        Obama can’t turn this around. It’s a done deal, we Europeans out-educated you, and this you can’t fix in less than 2 or 3 generations.

        I will be able to retire after only 10 years in the workforce of this country because of these two great (?) presidents. I would have never voted for them, but hey, they acted as if they were the advocats of the rest of the world, and I am a citizen of the rest of the world, and they really did me a BIG favor!

      • Joe H

        EAT,
        That can’t be, now!!! Just ask all the libby progs here and they will tell you it is impossible for a person to go from nothing to something without money and just an education!!

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      6charles, you’re right about many things. The only real exception is when this all got it’s start. You can follow this trail easily back to the 1200′s and much much farther if you know where to look. There have been some good leaders but, probably more bad ones than good. Reagan, like most politicians, are only the puppets that you see controlled by the puppet masters behind the scenes. Any really great men operate that way. They don’t care a thing about revealing themselves publicly and therefore we the people are distracted by the show. Clinton, to a degree, utilized this very effectively. These politicians pay a price for being public but garner great rewards for doing. This whole system has to melt down before something better can take it’s place. Most people won’t change unless forced to by circumstances that they view to be out of their control.
      The good news? Something better is waiting for it’s day. But, it can’t happen until mankind conquers it’s fears and greed.

  • David Platter

    Do you remember the Tale of Two Cities. The answer then during the French Revolution to deal with the aristocrats was the guillotine. This day is coming again and the masses oppressed by government will get their pound of flesh. If we do not see a change soon, I expect change to come when the needs of the many out number the wants and entitlements of the few. We can expect this to come when people are willing to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

    • Joe H

      David P.
      That will never happen here if the Sheeple don’t grow a pair!!!

  • AlNewman

    The mystery $trillions that the Fed won’t account for went to European banks, according to the Fed. That money is now being used to facillitate the collapse and the bail out (leading to ownership) of Greece, etc. They have mastered the art of stealing and using OUR money to destroy America and anyone else they want to ‘own’. Quite a racket.

    Quotation: “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Author Unknown (thought by some to be Thomas Jefferson, but no documentation exists to confirm)

  • sj

    Patriots pls watch this:http://youtu.be/PNFOv_mbbLQ

  • Sarah R.

    Well, at last. What took you so long? I was wondering when someone was going to find out who was responsible for this global mess. In 1954 David Rockefeller, Dean Rusk and foundations for the Rothchilds, Ford, Carnegie and who knows who else started what became known as The Bilderberg Group. Since 1954 these elites have been infiltrating our government. Do you think taking prayers and God out of everything was just an accident? For almost 60yrs. these people have been trying to take down everything that is good for their own financial greed and power. They think they can create a Utopia for us even though it didn’t work for Lenin/Stalin/Hitler. They think if they try again, their way, it will work out better. We didn’t notice our rights were being taken away all this time because it was so subtle. Well, David Rockefeller is now 96years old and I’m sure he wants to see America taken down before he dies, hence everything is being speeded up as in The Godless Obama Administration. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is about the worst scenario one could imagine. Now that its all out in the open we must fight them. It’s not just progressives it is also conservative republicans. Stay alert America we’ve got a fight ahead of us. Our government is not going to help us. The light will shine and in due time the people will be ready to follow its path. God help us.

    • eddie47d

      Dean Rusk was one of the architects of the Vietnam War. With every war there are those behind the scene pulling the strings.

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      Sarah R. You’re right. They did take prayer out of school but, couldn’t have done it without the people’s consent. This indicates to me that many more would rather not be accountable to the highest moral authority for what they do. No higher moral authority means that there is no right or wrong so whatever these great men do is good in their own eyes.

      • Joe H

        katrael,
        Decided to take that constitution 101 class offered free from Hillsdale college. ne of the points they made was this; Humans can not be governed without their consent! I take that to mean we have what we allowed. Well it’s time to “UNALLOW”!!

  • Carl Adrian

    Quite a mess and they are oblivious to their disfunctional behavior

  • http://gravatar.com/miken25 miken25m

    Some good ideas and a few bad ones here. It is true that some of the big banks like GS have created or helped to create a network of central banks. It’s also true that central banks are anathema to a free market and are not part of a free market. So why do they exist? Obviously, not too many people understand the concept of a free market.

    We have to step back and ask what is a free market supposed to be free from? To make a long story short, it’s supposed to be free from initiatory force by man against man. To achieve this there has to be a complete separation of state and economics. The government’s only role is to be a policeman patrolling the market with his legal monopoly of the use of retaliatory force only. He’s there to protect rights only. He’s not there to tell citizens what kind of a medium of exchange to use, not to control it but only to protect contracts among citizens.

    It doesn’t take much thought to see that the establishment of a central bank violates the rights of citizens to contract with each other regarding the exchange of value for value. But it is a mistake to lay the onus of blame for what is happening squarely on the shoulders of GS and other banks. Sure, they are guilty of manipulating the supply and thus the value of money. But the onus lies with those who control the use of force and gave legal sanction to the schemes and desires of the banks.

    If banks buy or bribe governments to get favored treatment, who carries the most blame, the bribee or the bribor? Our laws already recognize that the one taking the bribe is most guilty.

    But instead of calling for the government to get out of the market, people will blame the money men as they have wrongly done for centuries. The powers that be will put a few of them to the sword, the brain dead people will cheer, the government promises more over sight and things will go back to the way they were. The people in power will stay in power.

    • DaveH

      Bob knows that the buck stops with Big Government.

  • Aniko

    Why don’t you all smart ones just run for President of the USA? You seem to know it all better than those who are actually trying to do something about it. All this carping will change nothing! We live in a very complex and complicated world an anyone who thinks that it can be rolled back by just suddenly eliminating what is for nothing but anarchy to replace it are mere armchair politicians. I know you all think that Ron Paul would be able to change the world back into the 18th century, but that is as unrealistic as the person who p[promotes it. It is not enough to just complain what is wrong but offer something realistic that works better..

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Aniko, excuse me while I laugh at your comment…LMAO!

      Now, if you are the type to be submissive, give up…which is what I take away from your comment…then go ahead…I’m not!

      The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and
      for liberty to yield.
      — President Thomas Jefferson.

      They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
      safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
      — Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Letter to Josiah Quincy, Sept. 11, 1773.

      Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not
      have, nor do they deserve, either one.
      — President Thomas Jefferson.

    • DaveH

      Freedom works.
      What gets me, Aniko, is that Socialism has failed consistently around the world, and yet you Liberals keep hoping for more. This time it will work — yeah, sure. Keep on Hoping and Dreaming, Aniko.

  • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

    It won’t be long before we have a fully digital monetary system. None of us will be able to do anything within the system that those that have to know won’t be able to find out. This day is almost on us. They great men will have control over what you do within their system and the whole world is buying into it. The good thing, this will create local thriving underground economies based on something real. These great men, the Rothschilds’, can’t control everything. However, I do expect a bunch of heads to roll before it’s all over.

  • 6charles

    Where is it stated that one must be rich, a law student, and or business school graduate in order to be in government positions? Until this scenario changes we will continually see more of the same. I am not abdicating armed revolution. What is desperately needed now is a vote revolution. Another of baby that Reagan pushed forth, with the aid of republicans, is “deregulation”. This made things markedly worse instead of better. We are seeing the results in this decade now that it has become rampant. Average people is the only route to go with government now that all is out of hand.

    • Realist

      Convincing all the robber Barons to return to Israel would be a big problem. Gotta be realistic and know the source of the big problem. Solving it would be another one! One thing that amazes me is the amount of awake and aware active duty soldiers. I can imagine that Obama may have some problems enforcing martial law unless he uses international soldiers or the corrupt city cops.

      • DaveH

        He will, and the vast majority will obey him just as they did with the Unconstitutional Libyan war.

  • http://endtheillusion.wordpress.com End The Illusion

    This article has it so right. GS is a parasite on the world’s financial system.

    What I am having trouble understanding though is why there is so much anger at the Occupy Movement? This is exactly the same sort government corruption by GS lobbyists and others they are fighting. Maybe we don’t have all common interests, but it seems to me that here is one area where our interests overlap and we can all agree on.

    • DaveH

      Most of the OWS I’ve seen are just ignorant pawns for Big Government Leaders. It may be unknown by them, but the results will be the same in the end.
      Here are the real 1 percenters without whom the Crony Capitalists would be powerless:
      http://mises.org/daily/5776/The-State-is-the-1-Percent

  • Todd

    I think this is the best article I have ever read on this site. I agree with about 75% of what you guys say. At least, for now, we can still have opinions and not get arrested, one good thing about this country.

    These folks (Goldman) destroy so many lives without any penalties it sickens those of us affected for sure.

    Thanks for the great article.

    • DaveH

      Goldman couldn’t do anything to us with being backed by the Force of Big Government.

  • ranger hall

    FOLKS- Fight back, Pick a BANK, Pick a GROCERY STORE,Pick A FUEL STATION// DO NOT BUY FROM THESE PEOPLE FOR 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS. GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WONDER WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE
    My Best Quote…THERE IS NO GREATER POWER IN THE USA THAN ITS PEOPLE, WHEN THEY ARE BANDED TOGETHER. FOR A COMMAN CAUSE
    But it is not going to happen, WE only respond to THEIR CAUSES.

    Can anyone tell me What Country in the World is The RICHEST.

  • COAL MINER

    Zionism-Illuminati
    I have being saying it for years.
    Illumination: the Secret Religion – Goldman Sachs
    http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/Goldman-Sachs(1499343).htm – Cached
    If Goldman Sachs were attempting to create a New World Order that would raise … Goldman Sachs is a Zionist organisation and one of its great aims is to secure the ….. They are well off, well connected, the public face of the establishment.

    • JUKEBOX

      After the Battle of Armageddon, none of this will matter.

  • ranger hall

    The average American does not have the TIME or RESOURSES to PROTEST, WE have to spend our time WORKING,feeding our Familys. WE are not MAD enought to do anything Else. WE just dont have the WILL to PROTEST in Large numbers that would make a differance.

    WHAT CAUSED WW1 and WW2

  • http://libertydigest tina

    Patriots and Mr.Livingston-for more on this subject go to whitehatsreport.com

  • JEHR

    If you want more information about the dark side of Goldman Sachs, we have been collecting information from many sources for quite a long time. See:

    http://www.goldmansachs666.com/

  • Dave67

    For DaveH or any other free market person as the “end all and be all” for all things fair…

    which country should we model our economy on? Surely you have the name of the country that has no Gov interference in its economy on the tip of your fingers.

    Since there is obvious a country that has existed in the industrial and post industrial age with no gov interference.

    Go ahead libertarians, conservatives… Name the country we should model after.

    You rely on theory not the real world because that country does not and never has existed.

    Please let me know when DaveH and his like come of the ride at Fantasyland.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Peek-a-boo, i see you…Flashy.

      • Dave67

        Not Flashy butI see you did not answer the question and nor will you be able to answer it.

        Let me know when you come back from fantasyland and come live in the real world with different governments, differet economic systems and different currencies.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Stop playing games, Flashy!

      • Dave67

        Answer the question Jay… or can you?

      • JUKEBOX

        I reitirate, Dave 67 & Flashy are both Barry Soetoro, trying to defend his bovine fesces.

      • Joe H

        dave67/flushy,
        Read my answer to you above or did you overlook it???

      • DaveH

        Flashman wants us to answer his question.
        What question? I quit reading his trash many hours ago.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Dave67/Flashy…you’re just brilliant aren’t you…NOT! In a way, I have the answer although in a roundabout way…I’ll let you figure it out…

      A skunk sat on a stump.
      The stump thought the skunk stunk.
      The skunk thought the stump stunk .
      What stunk the skunk or the stump?

      • Dave67

        Oh Jeffery,

        No you have not but please answer it now for me…

        Name the country that does not have gov interference in their internal economy in the industrial/post industrial age…This is your time to shine.

      • Dave67

        Crickets from Jeffery and the rest of the know nothings… That would be a great name for a band. Jeffery and the know nothings.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Yup, its Flashy alright. Always begging people to answer his inane questions. Yup, no doubt about it!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Flashy, you can change your IP address, and you can change your moniker; but the one thing you seem incapable of changing, is your flawed logic. Didn’t think about that, did you, Flash?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        I love it when a plan comes together…
        Colonel John “Hannibal” Smith

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Flashy. FYI it’s Jeffrey…and I don’t play by the same rules(Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals)that you do but I do understand the purpose.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff: Did you notice my comments at 5:43 and 6:18 ? This one is also a test as the one at 6:18 Thank You Eddie 47d Yes or no will be fine or whatever you like.

      • Dave67

        And Jeffrey has nothing… How predictable…

        All you have is tired BS rhetoric backed up by the likes of DaveH’s propaganda sites with no real world examples.

    • Dave67

      Dave H, Jeffrey, Jay, Jukebox,

      The question is really simple…

      What country should the United States model itself after that has no Gov interference in its internal economic workings?

      Tell me geniuses. You can’t because the country you fantasize about DOES NOT EXIST.

      You conservative/libertarians or so off the mark on this because you have the theoretical and not reality. You can call me names, tell me I am this guy Flashy all you like if it makes you sleep well at night. But none of you can point to ANY country that has existed,including this one that does not have significant influence and regs from the Gov in the industrial and post industrial era. That country has not and will not exist.

      But the corporatists have you brainwashed to think that all we need is the Gov out of the way and the free market will be absolutely fair and there can never be any market manipulation, monopolies in a economy with little regulation. You are simply misguided.

      The housing collapser did not occur due to too little regulation. It came about due to the loosening of credit and banking regs as well as blurring the line between what regular banks can do and investment banks. You people have nothing to stand on here.

      Have a nice day dittoheads.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        What country should the United States model itself after that has no Gov interference in its internal economic workings? Again, only Flushy could ask such an outrageous and nonsensical question.

        The answer is, NONE! We already have a model to go by, and its outlined in our Constitution, numb-nut! Let each country determine for themselves what is an acceptable level of government interference in their economy. As for us, we need only look to our Constitution to understand what is the primary function of government. The function, and purpose for our government; is to uphold the laws of the Constitution, preserve freedom and rights for citizens, and ensure adequate defense of country, nothing more. As to the economy, and its relationship to it, government involvement must be restricted to ensuring the economy flourishes without impediment, rather than its demise; which the present, illegal, maniacal potus, seems so determined to accomplish! But to be fair, he’s only a bought and paid, puppet! He will do as he is told; destroy the economy…no doubt about it, our current, and bloated government has overstepped its parameters, clearly spelled out in the Constitution.

  • nick beck

    the adv. american had better take the time and resources to make SURE we do not loose our 2nd adm. rights. when you guys and gals finally figure out that GOD isnt going to help you and that nothing else will work either [ all peaceful means have been tried over and over to NO avail] then the ONLY thing that we can fall back on is our right to keep arms AND i might add — to use them to preserve this country and carry out justice…. i hope it does not come to this BUT????

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      nick beck, You are right. I was always told that god helps those that help themselves. I believe that the ways and means always will appear if we are wise enough to see them. We have a mind and hands to work with and that’s what we need to be doing is working. Sometimes we have to pull the trigger with the finger that is attached to our hand. Just be willing to do it though cause it’s a royal pain when somebody takes your own firearm from you and shoots you with it. I know someone this happened to.

  • Buck

    I am just the average American peasant , I have nothing to invest and no investments to lose , When I hear or read this stuff and other financial news that I can do nothing about but still expect to suffer because of it , and there are millions like me , what are we to do ?

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      Buck. I’m in the same place you are. There are always things to do. Learn to take care of ourselves to begin with. When we can do that we can help others to learn to do that. Most of what we have in our modern life can be done without. I like to but, I know how to live without it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/darold.boucher Darold Boucher

    There’s a fantastic DVD out there that we watched the other nite. Called INSIDE JOB. Narrated by matt damon. We got the disc from Netflix. The truth about the 2008 WORLDWIDE FINANCIAL blowup.
    If you watch nothing else this year, just watch….INSIDE JOB.

    IT’S NOT A POLITICAL VIDEO. JUST FACTS ABOUT CROOKED POLITICIANS, BANKERS, LOBBYISTS, AND COLLEGE PROFESSORS AND DEANS.

    • Dave67

      Excellent film, exposes the corp greed, K street lobbyists and the pay to play crony capitalism in Congress and the WH that has wrecked the economy.

      • Joe H

        Flushy/Dave67,
        And how did they do it?????? WITH GOVERNMENT HELP!!! WHETHER LEGAL OR NOT!!!!

      • Dave67

        Joe,

        You are correct with Gov help, the banks paided the lobbyists to lobby congress to relax the credit rules and banking rules, the banks make a ton of money for a while, when the bubble burst, they paid congress again to do their bidding, this time with bailouts with no strings on exec compensation, bonuses or any wording in the bailout agreement forcing them to take that TARP money and use it for lending. Hank Paulson, Tim Gaithner, Ben Bernenke and Allan Greenspan are all former Goldman employees. The problem is not the GOV. Its the big money and influence peddling that the wealthy and these big corp interests are allowed get away with.

        Big money should be outlawed. No person or group should be allowed give more than $100 to any candidate or party. PAC’s should also be outlawed (I know it violates the 1st Amendment, but the damage from all this money in the political process is worse for the country.)

        You think the Gov is the boogeyman. I do not believe that. Its the money and influence by big monied interests that are the real problem. One day when you open your eyes, you may just see that.

      • Joe H

        Dave67/flushy,
        Are you out of your mind??? I just proved to you that they can’t monopolize and ruin the economy without the help of the government yet you agree like you have been saying that all along!!! You have been calling DaveH names all along argueing against that very idea!!!

  • Bob Marshall

    Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. U.S.A. 1881-1940 “I wouldn’t go to war again as i have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for and they are the defense of our homes and the Bill of rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

    • Dave67

      If only we could go to that ideal. Too many go to war for cavalier reasoning and you notice the ones that start the wars, their sons and daughter never fight in these wars.

  • just facts

    Refreshingly honest article. People usually are slow to comprehend/react to assaults on their livelihood because they can’t believe anyone would intentionally do such evil, harmful things to them.
    But the facts are simple: a few large financial corporations are trying to own and rule the world. They drain every penny out of people. More importantly these corporations are trying to bankrupt all governments so that corporations become the dominant entity and are unfettered and uncontrolled by any human law.
    The current economic collapse and the governments’ assumption of banking and financial corporate debt has worked perfectly.

  • E. Katevatis

    YOU CAN SAE ANITHING YOU LIKE BUD THE BOTOM LINE IS WW3 IS NOT TO FAR.THIS TIME YOU NOT GOING TO SEE FIRE KRAKETS BUT YOU SEE MASHROOMS ,WEE ALL GO POOR MIDELLCLASE AND WEALTHE LOOK HISTORY AND SEE WHY I ITHING IS COMING THE EARTH CAN’T SEPORT US ANYMORE,I SEE WW2 BUT THIS TIME I DON’T LIKE TO SEE THE END.[MY SPELING IS NOT THAT GRAITE SORRY FOR THAT]

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      E. Katevatis, one end is but a new beginning. What we now have must end if we are to have a better future. Few are there that feel like everything we have now is good. Not all is bad but too much needs to be replaced. I do remodeling and have to tell people that anything is possible if you have enough time and money however, the price that most are willing to pay is too high.

  • Karolyn

    In honor of Presidents’ Day, here’s a little story about Lincoln:

    Today is Presidents Day (or, as we used to call it, Lincoln’s Birthday). That makes it a good time to talk about one of the great anomalies in Presidential history: the fact that President Abraham Lincoln, our Commander in Chief during our bloodiest war, took the time to review over 1,600 cases of military convictions during his 1,503 days in office, and that Lincoln pardoned a myriad of soldiers condemned to death.

    The test that Lincoln applied, as Lincoln himself put it, was “whether this soldier can better serve the country dead than living.” (This is a good example of “gallows humor,” with real gallows.)

    In one case of desertion, President Lincoln said: “If a man had more than one life, I think a little hanging would not hurt this one; but after he is once dead we cannot bring him back, no matter how sorry we may be; so the boy shall be pardoned.”

    In another case, the soldier’s father went to the White House to beg for mercy for him. President Lincoln, who had never met the father before, greeted him as “my old friend.” Lincoln listened to the father, and then wrote out on a piece of paper: “Job Smith is not to be shot until further orders from me – ABRAHAM LINCOLN.” The father started to cry, but he asked Lincoln why he had phrased it this way. Lincoln said: “If your son never looks on death till further orders come from me to shoot him, he will live to be a great deal older than Methuselah.”

    Lincoln refused to release a slave trader from prison, however, despite a personal appeal from an influential Congressman. “If this man were guilty of the foulest murder that the arm of man could perpetrate, I might forgive him on such an appeal; but the man who could go to Africa, and rob her of her children, and sell them into interminable bondage, with no other motive that that which is furnished by dollars and cents, is so much worse than the most depraved murderer, that he can never receive a pardon at my hands. No!”

    Yet time after time, President Lincoln pardoned soldiers who had been sentenced to death for sleeping during sentry duty, desertion, and even treason. Lincoln called the desertion convictions his “leg cases”: “If Almighty God gives a man a cowardly pair of legs, how can he help their running away with him?”

    And why did Lincoln show this mercy? Because over 600,000 people died during the Civil War, more than one out of every 50 Americans. And Lincoln thought that that was more than enough death. As journalist David Locke said: “No man on earth hated blood as Lincoln did.”

    • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

      Karolyn, I didn’t know this about Lincoln. We would all do well to learn from this man and practice some of his type of compassion.

      • Raggs

        What did lincoln do that was so fantastic?

    • Joe H

      karolyn,
      yet he only sought to end slavery in the southern states and not the northern. How courious!!!!

    • DaveH

      Karolyn,
      Read these books and wake up — “The Real Lincoln”, “Lincoln Unmasked”, “Lincoln Über Alles: Dictatorship Comes to America”, and “Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream”.

      More:
      http://mises.org/daily/5580/Lincoln-and-Roosevelt-American-Caesars

      • Dave67

        Dave H,

        Do you have anything to offer up except your right wing conspiracy propaganda? Lincoln was evil, Roosevelt was evil… Obama is evil. they were all born and bred to destroy the United States.

        Fix your record, yours is broken.

      • Joe H

        Dave67/flushy,
        For once, use proof and cites to prove him WRONG!!! do it or shut it!!

  • Raggs

    Urgh….. People are just so stupid to buy into what the government feeds them because people are so stupid and lazy that they dont want to figure it out for themselves. Everyone of you are fools.

    • E. Katevatis

      YOU AND I NEVER GOING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, WARS CHANGE THE SYSTEM WEE NOT TO FAR FROM, LIKE I SAY BEFORE I SEE WW2 AND I NEVER FORGET WHAT THE STARVETION AND THE BOOMS,I WAS KIT.AGAIN LETME TEL YOU I DONT LOOK FORWART FOR A WAR,THE GOVERMENTS THEY DYSAID WHO LIVE AND HOW IS GOING TO DIE,AND THE MIDLE EAST IS GOING TO PAYTHE MOST PLANDY CUNTRIES THEY GOING TO BE WIPE OF THE MAPE, I HOPE I AM WRONG,THE ONLY DIFRENCE THI TIME GOLDMANS SACHS THEY COMEN TOO AND ALL THE GREEDE, IS NO PLACE TO HIRE..

  • Raggs

    I’m actually surprized that I was able to post here… Funny that I’m not banned.

    • jimmy the greek

      Raggs the people that run this site are good people and believe in your freedom of speech . if they did not they would have booted me a long time ago .

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1611938509 Linda Joy Adams

    They take the fraud reports for the federal health plans which will be the health plan for all in 2014 for obamacare. Any one think ” death panels’ aren’t a realty for feds now and for all soon? Also, their investors are the investors of Affiliated computer services who controls most federal and state agencies now and Congress has given them immunity from prosecution and they can;t be internally audited as this applies to all govt contractors and that includes the Federal reserve the biggest contractor of all. I’ve written on this extensively online as it s personal life and death matter for me and i have files and monies missing in 5 agencies under their control. They are great at setting up affiliates and subsidiaries and getting contracts and that includes those traffic cams. Congress won’t pass one simple law; putting back what used to be. Govt contractors subject t arrest and criminal prosecutions and internally audited just as any one else can be in the USA. Linda Joy Adams.

    • eddie47d

      Jeff H Check out my request at 6:18pm

  • dan whitman

    let freedom ring!

  • jimmy the greek

    And who owns and runs goldmam sachs ? let me see , the mexicans ? the french ? NO its zionest jews .

  • DaveH

    Judge Napolitano’s Freedom Watch was canceled on the Fox Business Network. No doubt due to political considerations. That’s it for me and Fox. I have no further interest in watching their network:
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/09/fox-business-networks-cancels-judge-andr

    • DaveH
      • eddie47d

        Alex Jones can be paranoid misfit.

    • WUFFER

      NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES IS HERE. THE OPEN MINDED CONSERVATIVES ARE DISAPPEARING FROM THE AIRWAVES – BECK, SAVAGE, AND SOME OTHERS – FOX IS NOW WORSE THAN ABC (SAWYER DID EXPOSE CHINESE MATERIAL AND LABOR FIXING BRIDGES IN ALASKA, NY, SAN FRAN SICKO.

      NEED A BILLION MAN TEA PARTY VISIT TO DC – DEMAND RESIGNATIONS IN HOUSE & SENATE – PRES & ESPECIALLY HOLDER

    • Sirian

      DaveH,
      Ya know, it’s not gonna surprise me one bit if Judge Napolitano shows up on Glenn Beck’s network – GBTV. Maybe not but still, wouldn’t surprise me at all.

    • Joe H

      DaveH,
      Judge Napolitano sent a message via grassroots that said this was a mutual agreement. He asked that we stop sending emails to Fox as he will still be on Fox and he will still be giving his OWN brand of commentary. He said this was solely a business decision, nothing more!

      • DaveH

        And you believe that, Joe?
        Did you watch the Alex Jones video?

      • DaveH

        Do you really think a firebrand such as himself would ask people to quit sending Emails?

      • Joe H

        DaveH,
        With the integrety that Judge Napolitano shows daily, if it was mutual, YES!! I think the hard thing would be to get him to make a false statement!! Do YOU honestly think they could get Andrew Napolitano to betray his ideals??

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001640884810 Lance Brofman

    When Marc Faber and I worked at White Weld & Co, (1970′s) we looked down at Goldman Sachs as “white shoe” wannabees. The one thing you learn the first day at any of those large investment banks is that the firm does not make money by predicting which way the markets will go and then taking positions to profit from it, rather the firm makes money by taking positions and then causing the markets to move in ways that makes those positions profitable.

    While it is true that Goldman Sachs triggered the sub-prime mortgage-backed securities collapse after they had taken positions in credit-default swaps to profit from the collapse, they only sped up up what was going to happen anyway. Does anyone really think that housing prices would still be increasing at a 10% annual rate today if Goldman Sachs had not pulled the plug? The housing market would have collapsed sooner or later. Goldman Sachs creation of the Freemont issue that triggered the collapse just made it likely to happen before their credit default swaps expired. It was not a sure thing and plenty of money was lost by prematurely shorting the housing market.

  • ANDREW ROBINSON

    ANDREW SAYS- WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT WHEREIN THE LEAST CAPABLE TO LEAD ARE ELECTED BY THE LEAST CAPABLE OF PRODUCING, AND WHEREIN THE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY LEAST LIKELY TO SUSTAIN THEMSELVES OR SUCCEED , ARE REWARDED WITH GOODS AND SERVICES PAID FOR BY THE CONFISCATED WEALTH OF A DIMINISHING NUMBER OF PRODUCERS. THIS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THERE IS NOT ANYTHING LEFT TO CONFISCATE.

    • eddie47d

      Andrew how are you doing? Give me a heads up on who the producers are.

      • Joe H

        ne thing is for certain, eddie! IT sure as hell ain’t the GOVERNMENT!!!

    • Sirian

      Andrew Robinson,
      I understand what you’re saying very easily. As so do many other posters on this site.
      In a nutshell it is basic, unadulterated Socialism. Which, from it being as it honestly is, as said many times, is the first step towards full Communism. Once this has been achieved by the 1% elites the common question to then ask is – Are we happy yet?

  • Andrew Benjamin

    Did anyone bother to check the facts in this Livingstone piece?

    Goldman-Sachs was NOT shorting housing stocks. They were LONG and lost their shirts with the rest of the nation. In fact, GS stock tanked more than housing.

    If they were shorting, their value would have gone UP – not down! Figure it out. Everyone short on housing made oodles of money. Why should GS be different and lose $1.2 billion on housing?

    One fairly reliable source said they were short and long:

    http://www.realestateabc.com/insights/goldman-sachs-scoundrel-or-scapegoat.htm

    And they maintain that Goldman was scapegoated. I agree. Goldman, like the Jewish name they have, is being scapegoated.

    If they were short like hedgie Paulson’s funds that made ten times over his investment, GS would have become much wealthier during the crash. They did not. get wealthy – they have landed in the poorhouse.

    IN FACT, STUPIDITY, UNLIKE INTELLIGENCE, HAS NO LIMITS! So much for Alex Jones, Prison Planet, and Bob Livingstone.

    Here’s the chart of Goldman stock that lost 80% of its former value in 2009 – and as it sits there today:

    http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=cs&insttype=&freq=2&show=&time=13

    Housing, on the other hand, lost between 20-30%. There is your evidence whether GS was short or long housing. And the fact that GS suffered three times as much as housing!

    By the way, Goldman was bailed out with insurance they had placed on their bad bets with AIG, a Brit subsidiary of the American company whom we had bailed out to the tune of many times more dollars than what GS was bailed out with. And then Warren Buffett stepped in to buttress the sinking investment bank.

    The bottom line is that the facts disprove the conspiracy theories from people who are making money deceiving you.

  • eddie47d

    Hey Lance so true !

  • angry old hillbilly

    Exceptionally good comments herein, but we need to focus on damage control, loss, and priority! Loss requires knowing what should be there. We must elect legislators who will prosecute looters (the rest are corrupted)!

    SWAG an example SSI-MED @15.3% up to $106,800, work 49yr (18/end of 67) & 10yr annuity age 68/78@ 5% compounded monthly. A $40,000 avg. @15.3% wage yields $1,289,000 on 68th birthday or $13,670/mo for 10 yrs. The $106,800 wage @ 15.3% max SSI yields $3,441,000 at age 68 or $36,499/mo.! The math (simple annuity) roughly tells us what should be there and the profound fact that SSI-MED is grossly overfunded by workers. Fact 2, paying benefits with “general fund” money says there is no viable fund and bankruptcy is confirmed by $60+ trillion “unfunded debt” on top of the $15++ trillion recognized debt! (Definition – “unfunded”!) Didn’t pay enough in the system leads to progressive inflation devaluing the dollar to 13 cents by 745% inflation since 1962 – a heinous scam! A zero FED rate coupled with potential runaway inflation/devaluation dooms any annuity (retirement fund)! That brings us to the treasury & Fed plus the global banks that use those funds compounded by the currency and bond printers… Your money (capital) isn’t worth 5%? Zero says capital is worthless… kaput, just like Marx. That gets into hundreds of trillions that “disappeared”!

    Project your earnings & SSI-Med contributions out 49 years & compare it to what SSI-MED says your retirement would be today. Don’t underestimate the power of the pen & word of mouth. Get mad & pass it on, call liars what they are.

  • KEN BRODY

    The connection between Goldman Sachs and N.M. Rothschild is: they are competitors in the M&A market. The commenters claiming Rothschild controls G-S are parroting anti-semitic propaganda. It doesn’t check out.
    Lord Rothschild recently took a beating on his coal mining venture and may be booted off his own Board by the Indonesian investors.

  • ranger hall

    THE MONEY LENDERS ONCE LOANED TO INDIVIDUALS, NOW THEY LOAN TO WORLD GOVTS.
    EA. OUTDOING PRESIDENT OF THE USA IS PARDONED BY THE INCOMING PRESIDENT.
    READS. FOR ANY AND ALL CRIMES COMMITED WHILE PRESIDENT
    hOW ARE WE TO CONTROL SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG, THE FEW GET STRONGER, THE MILLIONS GET WEAKER.
    AS AN EX NOIR BERET SOLDAT.. i AGREE WITH THE QUOTE ABOUT MAJ.GEN. BUTLER.
    bUT I THINK ABOUT THE DAYS AHEAD FOR MY CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN, iM JUST SORRY I COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT BETTER FOR THEM.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    Bob I beleive you can add, The
    Rothschilds, Bank of England, Vatican Bank,and Masons ( and in that order) to those responsible for the mess we are in BUT I disagree that they will suffer anything close to what the 99 percent will suffer.

    They have never in the past and i dont see anything to convince me they will suffer in the coming collapse.In fact they will end up owning MOST of the Western worlds assets bought at the bottom of the collapse with the money they have received by fraud and governments privelege, thanks to “money printing” and debt money ….and they WILL collect !

    Only the “front persons” will pay the price of their crimes…..think individuals like Madoff.

  • COAL MINER

    ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    I agree with you one hundred persent.

  • Susie Liberty

    I consider it a ‘small’ problem that one of our Texas Candidates for Senate is married to a woman who’s a Vice-Pres of Goldman Sachs… Enough of a problem that I simply canNOT support him.

    • Susie Liberty

      But he’s likely to win the election – because ppl don’t know!

  • Blackhat

    It is always so funny how conservatives will automatically put their blinders on and try to out shout with their red herrings against anyone with a different view. the point of the article that is missed is that the 1% of the elite are bought by and subsidized by the goldman sachs etal. for their ‘profits’ who in turn buy and subsidize all of the republicans in government on the federal, state, and local levels. those citing president obama as the corrupt one will never look past their noses in that all of the financial, banking, and corporations that corrupt the process now, the easiest example is how the financial industry bought the citizens united ruling that now allows one with a lot of money to carpet bomb mass ads to help buy the election for those bought by the elite 1%

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Asked why bankers would back Bolshevism, a system supposedly inimical to private ownership, Kahn took a pull from his enormous cigar and explained that the Illuminati Jewish bankers create apparent opposites to “remake the world” according to their satanic specifications:

    “You say that Marxism is the very antithesis of capitalism, which is equally sacred to us [Illuminati Jewish bankers.] It is precisely for this reason that they are direct opposites to one another, that they put into our hands the two poles of this planet and allow us to be its axis. These two contraries, like Bolshevism and ourselves, find their identity in the International.” [Presumably, he means the Comintern.]

    “These opposites … meet again in the identity of their purpose and end in the remaking of the world from above by the control of riches, and from below by revolution. Our mission consists in promulgating the new law and in creating a God, that is to say in purifying the idea of God and realizing it, when the time shall come. We shall purify the idea by identifying it with the nation of Israel, which has become its own Messiah. the advent of it will be facilitated by the final triumph of Israel…”

    “Our essential dynamism makes use of the forces of destruction and forces of creation, but uses the first to nourish the second…Our organization for revolution is evidenced by destructive Bolshevism and for construction by by the League of Nations which is also our work. Bolshevism is the accelerator and the League is the brake on the mechanism of which we supply both the motive force and the guiding power. What is the end? It is already determined by our mission. It is formed of elements scattered throughout the whole world, but cast in the flame of our faith in ourselves. We are a League of Nations which contains the elements of all others…Israel is the microcosm and the germ of the city of the future.”

    The essential element here is that the Cabalistic Jewish bankers and their minions take the place of God. They define reality and morality, turning them upside down. They enjoy a worldwide political, economic and cultural monopoly institutionalized in a world government.

    This is achieved by a dialectical process of pitting apparent opposites against each other and achieving a synthesis which resembles this monolithic monopoly.

    The “Occupy Wall Street” protests are designed to facilitate the “redistribution” of wealth. However this wealth will not go to the intended recipients but to the State, which “owes” the bankers trillions.

    Socialism/Communism have always been gambits to transfer wealth to members of the club. Castro and Hugo Chavez are both worth a billion dollars. Meanwhile, everyone else works cheaply for the “common good.”

    http://www.henrymakow.com/geneva_versus_peace.html

    • Susie Liberty

      By Jay: February 23, 2012 at 8:01 pm
      What country should the United States model itself after that has no Gov interference in its internal economic workings? Again, only Flushy could ask such an outrageous and nonsensical question. cont….

      Simply a wonderful response by you, Jay! One of the Candidates during the debate last night made just such a comment as the person to whom you were responding, and I literally SCREAMED at the TV many of the same thoughts you’ve expressed so well.

  • COAL MINER

    Jay,
    You hit the nail on the head.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      TY Coal. Btw, the insignia you display; very accurate! After all, who would ever suspect?

  • Jamie Cameron

    Like greedy little Termites eating the Hull of a wooden ship, they’ll sink Us all and we’ll take em down with us.

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