Gold Markets Get Strange: Is Economic Danger Near?

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Traditionally, metals markets are supposed to be a solid fundamental signal of the physical and psychological health of our overall economy. Steady but uneventful commodities trade meant a generally healthy industrial base and consumption base. An extreme devaluation was a signal of deflation in consumer demand and a flight to currencies. Extreme price hikes meant a flight from normal assets and currencies in the wake of possible hyperinflation. This is how gold and silver markets were originally designed to function. However, I welcome you to the wacky world of 2013, where bad financial news is met with the cheers of investors who believe stimulus will last forever, where foreign investors dump the U.S. dollar in bilateral trade while mainstream dupes argue that the greenback is invincible, and where everyone seems to be buying precious metals yet the official market value continues to plunge.

Is this weird? As Bill Murray as Dr. Peter Venkman said in “Ghostbusters”: “Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!”

The reason our entire fiscal system now operates in a backward manner is due to one simple truth: Every major indicator of our economy today is manipulated by our central bank, which uses its printing press to prop up everything from equities to treasuries to municipal bonds. Federal Reserve officials openly admit to it. They are proud of the fact. They swagger about as if they are the heroes of the day. They act as if we should be thankful. But what is reality here?

First, let’s lay out some very straightforward undeniable facts about our economic situation that no one with any intelligence could argue against:

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Fact No. 1: Our Economy Is Supported By Federal Reserve Stimulus

For the past few years, the Fed has created dollars out of thin air to fill the debt void in corporate banks, in U.S. Treasury bonds, in city and State municipal bonds, in stocks and even in foreign banks in the EU. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and current branch head Richard Fisher have both admitted in mainstream interviews that stock markets are essentially sustained by the central bank, and that this has been done to give people the psychological illusion of economic health. This stimulus has been relatively constant in one form or another, from Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bailouts to Quantitative Easing 1 (QE1) to QE3. Fed interest rates on bank lending have been artificially reduced to near zero, meaning international banks can borrow money from the Fed (which it creates from thin air) at almost no extra cost. The fiat is flowing nonstop.

Fact No. 2: Our Economy Is Addicted To Stimulus

Anytime the Fed suggests it might end or “taper” stimulus measures, the stock market takes a dive. Anytime there is a semblance of good economic news, the stock market takes a dive. Anytime conscientious government representatives (what few there are) suggest that uncontrolled Fed printing is dangerous and should be stopped, Fed or Treasury officials claim that without such stimulus measures, everything will collapse.

Anytime there is detrimental economic news in the mainstream, the stock market rises as investors take bets that the Fed will continue stimulus for just a little longer. I think it is safe to say that it is a fact that our financial culture has become utterly addicted to money printing from the Fed.

Fact No. 3:  Stimulus Has Done Little Or Nothing To Improve Our Economic Situation Since 2008

Where are the tangible benefits of the Fed printing bonanza? Yes, our debt crisis has been stretched out for a few extra years, but has it been solved? Of all the trillions of dollars in national debt accrued through government spending, where has the money actually gone?

Have lending standards been relaxed, and are private loans (not corporate loans) anywhere close to pre-2008 levels?

Have real jobs with sustainable incomes actually been created? Or have millions of full-time, high-paying jobs been replaced with part-time, low-paying slave jobs? Is the Labor Department counting temporary jobs with three month turnovers created by big box retailers like Wal-Mart as real jobs? (Hint: The answer is yes.)

Has the housing market actually improved, or are private owners disappearing as big banks and corporate investors swoop in to snatch up insolvent properties for pennies on the dollar and then putting them back on the market as rentals? (Hint: The answer is an emphatic “yes.”)

Is the stock market really on solid footing; or if stimulus stops, will it completely implode?

What has stimulus actually accomplished other than sacrificing the stability of our currency for the sake of five years of financial doldrums?

Fact No. 4: Stimulus Cannot Continue Forever

This is one fact the average mainstream financial analyst does not seem to grasp. I hear the argument that foreign exporters need the United States and the dollar, and that they will “never” dump the greenback. I’m sorry to have to break it to those folks, but they are already dumping the dollar in bilateral trade with each other. China — the second largest economy in the world, the largest exporter/importer in the world and the largest foreign investor in U.S. dollars and treasuries — has been slowly but surely removing the dollar as the reserve currency in most of its international trading:

I could go on and on and on. The latest news announces that China has just signed a new deal with Russia supplying China with 25 years’ worth of petroleum. The oil will not be purchased in dollars, meaning the greenback’s status as the petrodollar is being openly challenged.

Foreign investors are moving away from the dollar. This is a fact, and it will inevitably lead to the end of the dollar’s world reserve status and, thus, the end of the dollar as we know it. At that point, stimulus would be useless, as our currency’s overall value crumbles and the Fed is forced to hyperinflate just to pay the bills. Stimulus will end one way or another. And when it does, the results will be the same: moderate to severe collapse, followed by skyrocketing prices on all goods. The longevity of the event will depend on how it is handled.

Gold And Silver Go Three Dimensional

As I pointed out earlier, metals markets are supposed to reflect certain fundamental trends in our fiscal system. However, as has been thoroughly documented, international banks like JPMorgan Chase and companies like CME Group have gone far out of their way to manipulate precious metals markets. JPMorgan has been caught red handed using coordinated short positions to force down silver. Gold and silver certificates (otherwise known as exchange-traded funds or ETFs) have been issued by banks for literally tons of metals that don’t exist. There is no vault where these metals are held. JPMorgan’s physical holdings are limited. When they finally run out, the scam will be exposed, and the ETF market will go down like the Hindenburg.

Official market prices for gold and silver have seen a heartbreaking drop in the past few months, yet foreign central banks around the world are buying like they know something average Americans do not. China is set to become the largest holder of gold reserves in the next two years.

Russia continues to stockpile gold every month for the past nine months.

Sales of U.S. Mint gold and silver coins are hitting record highs in 2013.

So, if demand is high and purchases are high, why is the market price on metals going down? I believe this conundrum has much to do with something I warned about years ago as a sure signal of coming economic breakdown — namely, the decoupling of paper metals from physical metals.

Investors are beginning to shun ETFs and fake gold and are beginning to buy only physical holdings. The official market value is based almost entirely on the flow of ETFs. People stop buying paper metals, and paper metals go down. But this is absolutely no reflection of the real value of physical coins and bars on the street. This trend is dangerous for the manipulation game headed by giants like JPMorgan. The more physical gold investors buy, the less they have to back their fake ETFs. Eventually, they will be exposed; and metals trade will break through the two-dimensional world of paper trading into three-dimensional physical supply and demand.

This is probably why JPMorgan has suddenly announced it will be leaving commodities trading entirely.

The news comes conveniently as multiple large banks, including JPMorgan, come under scrutiny by regulators for everything from energy price manipulation to shadily run “metals warehouses.”

Both China and Russia have begun discussing a new Bretton Woods-style agreement, which would back the Yuan with gold and change the very fabric of the international monetary system. This concept falls right in line with developing nations’ demand for a replacement of the U.S. dollar and the International Monetary Fund’s new special drawing rights currency, which is partially valued in gold and backed by the IMF’s unaudited gold horde.

JPMorgan fleeing commodities markets, paper gold decoupling from physical gold, China and Russia suggesting a new Bretton Woods: Is this a signal for something monolithic on the horizon for the global economy? If there is a sudden shift by developing nations away from the dollar and toward a basket currency system partially valuated in gold, this would be disastrous for the American fiscal structure. I have been tracking the slow dump of the greenback since 2006, and I’ve never seen escalation like I have seen in the past year. If foreign central banks are planning to drop the dollar as the world reserve, their behavior in metals markets suggests they may be ready to act soon.

–Brandon Smith

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Brandon Smith

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  • KG

    Mr Smith – AKA ‘Chicken Little’ – “…the sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Yes, Agent Smith, I hear ya!

    Am I supposed to get scared and buy Gold as a hedge against Inflation? You want to know something interesting? All of those salesmen at the gold clearing houses spend their entire week selling gold to people, but, ironically, at the end of the week they want their paychecks to cash for American money!

    I have known people who start talking about the ‘dollar’ and how it ‘worthless paper’. And then I say “…well, if that’s the case, then just GIVE me that ‘worthless paper’.” I have yet to have one person give me any money.

    You should read some of Americas history concerning Money, as well as something called ‘Bimetalism’. And please read William Jenning Bryant’s ‘Cross of Gold” speech. The only problem with learning the truth, though, is that you may have to change what you believe to be true.

    • Brandon Smith

      I couldn’t care less whether you buy gold or not, but you haven’t addressed a single fact I presented in the above article, which tells me you have nothing to say. You have decided to attack the messenger rather than the message, which is typical of the ignorant.

      Let’s see some hard criticism of the article and the information present, rather than the sad display of pre-teen angst you have shown so far.

      • KG

        If you didn’t write like a pre-teen, then, maybe I could debate the so-called ‘facts’ you present. However, I have lots to say since I use actual history as a guide instead of Ayn Rands or Von Misies ramblings.

        • Brandon Smith

          Then show me, instead of blathering like a child. Show me how my information is wrong, instead of wasting everyone’s time with Ad hominem attacks. I’m waiting for all the grand wisdom you claim to have…

          • KG

            It is not for me to show thy error, but for you to defend your error.

          • Brandon Smith

            Wow. That is the typical response of a coward. Throwing around insults and accusations like “chicken little”, yet completely unable to back them with any substance. Thanks for doing my job for me, KG. I thought you might at least TRY to debate me on something tangible, but you’ve merely proven to every person reading this that you’re all talk. Why even waste time commenting if you have nothing legitimate to say? Are you bored with your life?

          • vicki

            Worry not Mr Smith. KG’s debate style is well known to most of the readers here including his total failure to present even a single counter-argument to any of your points.

            One of the key reasons we asked that people like KG be allowed to continue to post is that they make excellent examples of how not to think.

          • S.C.Murf

            and Vicki we need to ask them to make the popping sound. Have a good one young lady

            up the hill
            airborne

          • KG

            Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

            Thomas Jefferson
            In a letter to Van der Kemp, 1816

            http://www.sullivan-county.com/deism/jeff_letters.htm

          • chocopot

            Precisely, KG. That is why we all ridicule YOU.

          • vicki

            Actually there is another method. Simply point out that the proposition is unintelligible. Of course to the people that understand the proposition this tells them alot about you.

          • chocopot

            Actually, Mr. Smith, KG is one of our resident leftist trolls who goes on these boards just to criticize any comments that reflect poorly on the Marxist leadership under which this great nation is currently suffering. You will never receive any sort of logical argument from him since, like all of those on the Left who do not wish the truth to be heard, he has no argument and is capable only of denigrating those who do tell the truth.

          • Nadzieja batki

            The only one who is claiming that Brandon Smith is in error is yourself so therefore prove where he is in error. Mr. Smith checks his facts before he releases them because he knows accountability is important and his words can come back to haunt him.

        • Bill

          Kg,
          You say you use history as a guide but you promote a system that fails every time it is tried. You sure have not learned much

          • vicki

            That’s cause he uses the revised (by the failed systems) history instead of actual history.

        • Vis Fac

          And YOUR ramblings are acceptable? Hardly!!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You’re pushing your luck, KGB, by slandering the authors. But then, what else would we expect from a Socialist Progressive?

      • Vis Fac

        Liberals and communists seldom if ever have anything of value to impart. Their objective is to get what you have by either talking (by lying) you out of it or taxing it. Either way is fine with them
        Semper-Fi

    • vicki

      KG writes:

      Mr Smith – AKA ‘Chicken Little’ – “…the sky is falling! The sky is falling!”

      Ad hominem. A fact that is not lost on Mr Smith.

      • KG

        I find it interesting that you focused on my attempt at jocularity, and totally ignored the rest. So the rest of my post was correct?

        • chocopot

          No, the rest of your post was meaningless gibberish, just as we have come to expect from you.

        • vicki

          I don’t often bother to read past the ad hominem. You have already ceded defeat by its use.

          • KG

            So…that explains it! Is that how you got through school?

    • Bill

      Kg
      So you say you want people to give you money but you are an admitted communist. So, do you want money or you don’t? You will not get very much under communism.
      You should put your mouth is and boycott all products produced under capitalism. Such as your computer cell phone and your car.

    • speedle24

      Uh…KG, the salesmen at the gold exchanges might have a difficult time buying a hamburger with a double eagle gold coin, don’t ya think???? That “paper” may well be as worthless as confederate money in 1865 if things keep going as they are going. If that happens you may be able to pick up $100 bills in trash cans.

      Forward

      • KG

        How do they buy Hamburgers with “worthless” money?

        • chocopot

          For the moment, that fiat garbage called “the dollar” is serving as our means of exchange, but at the rate we are going, its days are numbered.

        • vicki

          Government force. See “legal tender” laws.
          http://www.thefreedictionary.com/legal+tender

          Work to repeal them here
          https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/honest-money/

        • speedle24

          Well KG, the legal tender is not worthless….yet, but it’s well on its way if you consider that a $2.00 hamburger in 1995 is now a $5.00 hamburger. Figure it out KG, it’s really not a hard concept.

        • Vis Fac

          Because the vendors have been duped as you have been to think that paper has worth. You might be able to trade that paper for something tangible for now but not for much longer. Palladium and platinum are wiser investments than gold or silver.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “the sky is falling! The sky is falling!”.
      Polly want a cracker, KG? I guess I should be pleased in that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “ironically, at the end of the week they want their paychecks to cash for American money!”.
      They have no choice, KGB, thanks to Legal Tender Laws.
      Read this:
      http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/employers-gold-silver-payroll-standard-may-bring-hard-time

      • KG

        “…give me this dollar you speak of. Whose inscription is on it? Well then, render unto Washington what is Washingtons, but render unto thyself what is left over.”

    • Vis Fac

      KGB AKA dumb A$$ your worthless paper is not yours in reality it belongs to the bank. The Banks run the world and they empower those of their choosing. Money is a tool used for manipulation and control (I don’t need to read the communist authors you provided to know what reality is) If you have any money in any bank as well as a safe deposit box surprise the bank can seize it at any time.
      Value is what others deem it to be skills property or anything tangible. I don’t have money I have tangible items I don’t need money I owe no one I am independent. The government (bank) says it needs your tax dollars why? To OWN YOU that’s why holding the fear of confiscation and imprisonment over your head to make you do what they want is real power. It threatens to assault you with SWAT teams to control you. You are a phony philosopher offering pseudo fact as a mouthpiece for your liberal handlers. YOU ARE A MORON

      • KG

        i was wondering, did you say you were retired military?

        • Vis Fac

          Why would you wonder? If you paid attention to what others say instead of clogging these forums with your propaganda you would know the answer.
          Regardless it is immaterial weather I retired from the military or from working in the private sector. Conduct you OWN research and you will find the answer and doing so changes nothing you are still a MARXIST MORON

          • KG

            I do pay attention to what the people say here – that’s why I’m a liberal Democrat Union member.

            If you are retired from the military, then you are nothing but a parasitic former government worker. That’s why I asked.

          • Vis Fac

            Yeah Leave it to a scumbag liberal to demean others for doing what you refuse to do. These “parasites” as you refer risked their lives in order for you to live the pathetic life you have and you have the audacity to demean what they have done for YOU and others of your ilk. YOU should be ASHAMED but we know parasitic liberal like you think you are OWED and gratitude is not in your vocabulary.
            You say you pay attention I say BS for if you do you would know the answer for I have provided all the information you need to know in my numerous posts, only you are too stupid and lazy to find out for yourself. Ungrateful clowns like you are the reason the US is in such dire striates You take and take and take but don’t provide anything but abasement and maligning of those who have protected provided and safeguarded you. You are a waste of space that a more deserving individual merits more than you I find you vile and disgusting. And I would not walk two steps out of my way to Pi$$ on you if you were on fire. STFU MORON

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            With all due respect, Force, you didn’t risk your life for our Freedom. No doubt you thought you did, but the reality is that you risked your life unknowingly to aid the feathering of Crony Capitalist nests and to enable the Government to grow larger at the expense of our Freedom.

            Please read this, rather than lashing out at me for being honest:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

          • Vis Fac

            The government grew larger because of APATHY as they let BIG Banks run the government. War is a business brought on mostly by economic reasons That we can agree on. I fight for an ideal one that has been lost to society for decades. I do not condone war I condone people who are apathetic and embrace popular opinion because it is fashionable.
            Out basic tenet of freedom is contained in OUR Constitution and its Bill of rights. I will fight to the death anyone who wants to keep these from me If fighting big banks or our government is necessary I am up to the task.
            I get a little irritated at those who chose to refer to books in arguments as all too often these references are merely conjecture and opinions of others you cannot debate.
            Our Government has not been of the people for the people and by the people since Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Paul Warfield, and Carter Glass, formed the Federal Reserve Bank on December 23,1913 Government has been owned by bankers ever since.
            I know I defended an ideal when that ideal is dead we are too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Force says — “I get a little irritated at those who chose to refer to books in arguments as all too often these references are merely conjecture and opinions of others you cannot debate”.
            The only way to gain knowledge, Force, is to read as much as you can and make up your own mind what is factual and what is not. But you won’t know without spending the time to read those books.

          • Vis Fac

            I do my share of reading however the real way to gain knowledge is through personal experience as I have. My career has taken me to every continent sans Antarctica. I have many contacts and resources some conflicting others in agreement. When reading you are only getting the author’s point of view and most generally cannot make contact.
            When in college I have read several books on the same subject for all my class studies and disciplines. So making up ones mind as to what is true or not is like flipping a coin to decide. The issue of truth is in the eye of the beholder.

            If one has witnessed first hand he or she can offer an accurate assessment anything else is merely conjecture.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            While the anecdotal evidence as presented by individuals is no doubt worth considering, I would put my faith in the knowledge of a highly educated author above the knowledge of selected individuals any day of the week.
            I have known many people in my long career, and none of them have even come close to the knowledge and logic of those authors at the Mises Institute.
            But we all have to choose our own poison, Force.
            I wish you the best.

          • Vis Fac

            Then you travel with the wrong crowd. I have known many educated people most haven’t an iota of common sense Knowledge without common sense is almost USELESS.
            A balance of both with an dash of humility is a good recipe for success and prosperity. These assets have served me well both personally and professionally and so I try and make a difference to everyone I meet. I either impart knowledge or give encouragement and most of all urge self reliance.
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Self-reliance is a good thing.
            Common sense, contrary to common opinion, is learned. While college doesn’t necessarily give one common sense, it sure doesn’t take it away from those who have it.

          • Vis Fac

            Absolutely; however I do think common sense is a God given trait that needs developing rather than being acquired. At least it was for me.
            Many of my colleagues are quite intelligent; few have common sense. That is probably why they opted to teach rather than practice.
            Semper-Fi

          • Charlie

            You have very little knowledge of The Bible,,, so ,,, what’s your “Profession” ? Can the blind lead the blind???

          • Charlie

            Truth ,,, stands on it’s own ,,, The Equation for Truth is Psalms 119:160,,, read it ,,, it’s needs no “Jar Head” to believe it to be Truth……………….

          • Vis Fac

            This said by a do noting clown that has never ventured outside his bedroom. People who can only quote what others write have no business offering opinions. People who actually achieve things help others and have personal experience and exposure are more likely to be given more credence than people like you.
            Unless you live the life as well as read you are nothing more than a phony a fake a wannabe. Just like our illustrious pious president you and he might think you talk a good talk but cannot do the walk.
            Semper-Fi

          • Charlie

            What are you basing your comment on ? Because your comment prove your knowledge of subject matter .. I’ve ask at least 3 or 4 questions now and your have failed to come up with a Biblical or Scientific answer… Your Semper- Fi ,,, indicates you are or have been a “Jar Head”,,, unless you are lying … Most of your other comments indicate your Bible Harmonization is about zero
            Now My world travels may not be more than your ,,,BUT,,,
            I dare say Most of My “”Experience”” and Formal education will match or leave you in the trail dust…..
            Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Vis Fac

            I have run into a lot of bible thumpers like you who say they know the bible yet don’t know squat. They/you use the bible and selected scripture to make up for all their/your short comings and for these reasons I will not answer you.
            I doubt your education and experience comes close to my own. For I have earned four college degrees three in science Mechanical, Electrical, & Chemical Engineering and minored in physics from MIT. I earned my MBA from USC. So I doubt you can compete at my level. I usually don’t say things as this but you called me out —- “I dare say Most of My “”Experience”” and Formal education will match or leave you in the trail dust…..”

            The fact that you try and abase me with the term “Jar Head’ is indicative of someone trying to think he is superior in every way, and that being a Marine is beneath you. OK that’s fine with me. Your temperament merely proves that you feel inferior and need validation in the form of abasement of others. So news flash you know less than you want to think you know.

            As my travels have taken me to every continent except Antarctica for which I haven’t any business contacts or clients. I know I am more traveled than you. So go ahead you want to dance? Lets dance!
            Semper-Fi From a no nonsense JAR HEAD to a puke.

          • Charlie

            This one points out Scriptures that you don’t understand… Could it be your degrees are so much El Toro dung ,,, but ,,, IF? you will not answer questions that are simple and the answers are right in The Bible and / or Scientific Books ,,, then? ,,, how are you going to compete with a real life Ph D?… As a example : Total moments over Total weight equals CG… What does this equation mean? ………………

          • Vis Fac

            Schwerpunkt Masse. Jetzt weich ich, warum ich nicht, brauche Sie zu beantworten. Sie sind ungefähr so stumm wie ein Kasten Hammer so gefährlich, dicht als Quecksilber und zweimal. PhD/HAH lassen mich nicht die einzige Definition lachen, die auf Ihr angenommenes PhD zutrifft ist angehäuftes höheres und tieferes meine vier Grad Trumpf das PhD, das Sie online kauften. BTW bin ich in drei Sprachen fließend, die Sie, Englisch schon zu erarbeiten haben

            Center of gravity mass. Now I know why I needn’t answer you. You are about as dumb as a box of hammers, dense as mercury and twice as dangerous. PhD/ HAH don’t make me laugh the only definition that applies to your supposed PhD is piled higher and deeper My four degrees trump the PhD you bought online. BTW I am fluent in three languages you have yet to master English

          • Charlie

            IF?,,, you cannot read and understand The Holy Bible ,, then your 3 or 4 languages are not much use … I can read you have mastered the “Art” of Bull slinging ,,, that’s what the above contents mostly contains…

          • Charlie

            You’re a little short on History,,, being a has been military you should know General Grant brought America back under “Martial Law Rule”” when he was President and made it appear to be ,,,the Constitution ,,,but ,,, can you find the “”Paper”” to back it up ??? General Lee a friend of Grants agreed to it to save more blood shed … The Constitution is a “”Commercial” document ,,, without The Bible it has little to no “Force”…………………….

    • Charlie

      KG,,, Buy anything with “”Intrinsic”” value such as Gold , Silver, guns , ammo,, whisky , wine , vodka , 4 wheelers + plus a wheel barrow to haul all your paper money in ,,, as a hedge against inflation … Don’t be caught holding FRN’s because News papers are cheaper for starting fires in your wood burning stove… Hey!!! listen up it’s time to go to the Hills ,,, that is Beverly Hills , for your next mind tweak … Westwood is just west of the hills… Give us a report back on what the latest mind warp is………………

  • Lloyd Fisher

    Brandon; I have read many articles concerning the feds shenanigans. I must admit to still unsure of what my course of action should be. I do know at one time there was a movement to audit the fed. Whether that happened I do not know. I do know that politics as usual is ruining (has ruined?) our country. If ever a time was right for term limits it is now, the same tired crap rhetoric has not helped in the least. I guess the best I can do for now is to wish ALL of us good luck.

    • Brandon Smith

      Become self sufficient with your community. Learn a vital trade skill and find people to barter with. Store lot’s of food, and grow food if you have the space. Find others who are aware of the problem and build something local. The power to shield yourself from collapse is in YOUR hands, all you have to do is start preparing now.

      • Lloyd Fisher

        Good ideas, thanx. Starting today.

      • nc

        Brandon, what you suggest sounds a lot like “commue” ism” a/k/a communism! It also sounds like a dedication of 100% of one’s mind and time preparing for something that may never occur or at least never has occurred in this country nation wide!
        I find it much more pleasant to enjoy and improve on the “known” than to live in fear of the unknown!
        There is a name for your mental condition and there is also a cure! I will give you credit for making a living from your phobias off the mentally weak who come here and “buy” your fear and “suspicions” with out requiring any proof!

        • placidly1

          You are absolutely correct nc, there is a mental condition called NORMALCY BIAS and you are the one who is suffering, sorry but there is NO CURE for it.
          Let me explain to you what it is, you said:”never has occurred in this country nation wide!”
          The Normalcy Bias condition is well known to psychologists and sociologists. The Normalcy Bias leads people believe that since something has never happened before, that it never will happen. The Normalcy Bias also leads people to interpret warnings and to inaccurately reframe information in order to project an optimistic outcome which leads to the person to infer a less serious situation. In short, it is kind of a pain-killing drug which numbs a person to an impending danger.

          • NC

            Placidly, in my 78 years I have heard many cries of “doomsday is coming ‘ and read of many more where people have made drastic changes in their life in preparation for it AND IT NEVER CAME! What mental condition do you say those people suffered from??What did their preparation get them? I have saved more money living with my “condition” than fighting it!!
            Right in my back yard is a 1960s “bomb shelter” built by a neighbor so sure of it’s “necessity”! Republican administrations have done more damage to this town since the 1960S than the “bomb”
            Since 1945 people have been told that Democrats are socialist and electing one or reelecting one will bring economic ruin to this country! Remember???
            See “Bulls, Bears Donkeys and Elephants” for just how wrong that “DOOMSDAY” CRY HAS BEEN!
            HOW MANY OF YOU DOOMSDAY CRIERS HAVE ONLY ONE A$$ BUT TWO OR MORE CARS??? HARD TIMES???

          • Brandon Smith

            So, despite the numerous blatant signals that the dollar’s day’s are numbered as presented in the article, and despite the numerous collapses in other countries around the world during your 78 years of life (if you are actually 78), your assumption is that nothing bad will ever happen in this country, the dollar will live forever, and that no one should take measures to prepare? Are you suggesting that we ignore the facts and live on blind faith that all will be well tomorrow?

          • vicki

            He can’t be 78. If he had he would remember the great depression. Or he is a foreigner which there is evidence in his previous posts. Or maybe not. He would have been born about 1934 so might not remember the pain.

          • JeffH
          • KG

            With a mauve colored rifle, It won’t clash with the pink walls of the children’s nursery you shot-up. Don’t forget the hunter green 30 round magazines. They go good with your Army surplus fatigues.

          • JeffH

            If KG couldn’t say something stupid KG would have to remain silent.

            That “modern sporting rifle”(MSR) is anodized matte sand in color and the buttstock and grip is MagPul desert tan. The olive green magazine is a fixed 10 round magazine which is compliant with California law.

            BTW, I shot it for the first time last friday with open sights and could hit a six inch metal plate at 125 yards from a rest…no problem.

          • KG

            Like i said, it will match the little pink angels in the dayschool when you shoot it up. BTW, does it have a can opener on the picatinny rail?

          • JeffH

            Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil.
            – Plato

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He would have been just a gleam (a pitiful gleam) in his mother’s eyes when the Depression started, and only 10 years old when it ended. But even if he had been an adult, it’s likely that he would have bought into the Propaganda then, as he has now.

          • NC

            Vicki, I was born on a mill village to textile worker parents in 1935 I was fortunate in that I had just one sister who did not wish to go to college. I worked summers and vacations for $1.00 an hour from the DAY I turned 16 until I finished COLLEGE and drew only $5.00 a week and left the rest in the mill office until time to return to school ! With what I had saved I bought school clothes for high school or paid it on College tuition when I went to college! I never had a car until my last semester in college when I bought a 50 Mercury to do my practice teaching> Even then my allowance from my hard working loving parents was $8.00 a week. YET I NEVER KNEW WE WERE POOR UNTIL I WENT TO COLLEGE AND SAW EXPENSIVE CLOTHES ON OTHER STUDENTS.
            THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE ON THAT MILL VILLAGE THAT HAD MUCH LESS THAN WE DID. I WAS FORTUNATE BECAUSE OF THE CALIBER OF MY PARENTS AND OUR SMALL FAMILY!
            I SAW THE DEPRESSION IN FULL BLOOM AS MANY FAMILIES MOVED THEIR MEAGER BELONGINS ON PICK UP TRUCKS AND HORSE AND WAGONS IN AND OUT OF THOSE 3 AND 4 ROOM MILL HOUSES WITH TOILETS ON THE BACK PORCH!
            wHAT I HAVE TODAY SO FAR EXCEEDS THAT WAY OF LIFE THAT I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HATE WHAT THIS COUNTRY HOLDS FOR ME! I COULD LIVE ON FAR LESS AND STILL BE GRATEFUL!
            SO WHEN YOU PEOPLE WITH TWO PERCENT MAX OF THE VOTE ARE UPSET BECAUSE THE SYSTEM DOES NOT AFFORD YOU THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT YOU TRY TO LEAD ME TO SOMETHING ELSE ON FEAR, ANGER AND HATERED I SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE TIME FOR YOUR SERMON!

          • KG

            My Grand-pa used to tell a story about him and his brother hoboing on the trains. They were in a yard close to a coffee shop. My grandpa had a dime and for a dime you could get a cup of coffee and a doughnut. He told his brother “Buy a cup of coffee and a doughnut, bring them back – I’ll drink the coffee and you can have the doughnut.” His brother ran over to the coffee shop, and after a few minutes came back. However, he didn’t have anything in his hands. My grandpa said “Where’s my coffee?” And his brother said “That doughnut was so good, I had to wash it down with something!”

            Everyday living in America is like a trip through paradise if you choose to see it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why are you shouting again, NutCase? Do you think that somehow makes your nonsense into sense?

            NutCase says — “I SAW THE DEPRESSION IN FULL BLOOM”.
            You did? You were less than 5 years old in the middle of the Depression. You are telling us you were cognizant of your surroundings at 5 years old? Please.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Or NC could be 18 or 28 and all he knows is what was/wasn’t taught in school.

          • Bill

            Nad,
            That sounds like a more accurate description on nc

          • JeffH

            ” Are you suggesting that we ignore the facts and live on blind faith that all will be well tomorrow?”

            If I may speak for nc….YES!

          • Bill

            JeffH
            As per your comment, just consider the source

          • JeffH

            Ah yes…nc. Fortunately most of us recognize the failure in nc’s half witted wisdom…and 78 years of sleep.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            …sleep and eat.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Brandon,
            Thanks for coming down into the trenches with us.

          • speedle24

            NC, don’t be so utterly shallow. Regardless of whether you agree with Brandon Smith’s theories, it is asinine to use the “…….doomsday is coming….and it never came…” rationalization for ignoring ominous signs. Our adult lives are fleeting hours relative to the forces of macro economics. That you “haven’t seen something happen” has zero relevance in the big picture. You weren’t an adult when Hitler started ushering people into gas chambers, and Stalin was executing Russians by the millions. Therefore in your world such a thing is impossible.

            But yes, continuing liberal monetary policy “will” most certainly leave a terrible economic scar on this country. The only questions are when and what can be done to counter the inevitable. The Scarlet Ohara approach of worrying about it tomorrow is economic suicide and is evidence of a serious lack of logical thinking.

          • vicki

            It is better to have and not need then to need and not have.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NutCase says — “in my 78 years”.
            There’s no Fool like and Old Fool.
            There goes NutCase again with his “Bulls, Bears Donkeys and Elephants” Propaganda.
            This author rebuts that nonsense:
            http://gnuhaus.com/iblog/archives/000388.html

            Nevertheless, most of the so-called “gains” in the stock market have been due to profligate money creation by the Federal Reserve, and they work hand-in-hand with Crony Politicians to steal our money to feather their nests. For instance, the Federal Reserve has created about 50% more money since 2008. So one would expect the Stock Market to be about 50% higher in price since 2008, which it is, as a result of that increased supply of money chasing those stocks.
            Every new dollar that is created lowers the purchasing power of the existing dollars unless the quality and quantity of goods and services are increased commensurately to offset the increased money supply.
            A 50% increase in the money supply over the last 5 years equates to a 33% lowering of the purchasing power of your savings or fixed incomes.
            Basically, they (the Leaders) are stealing your money the hidden way — inflation. And it doesn’t matter if it is the Democrats stealing our money, or if it is the Republicans stealing our money — it is still stolen

          • Vis Fac

            It only takes ONE Consider yourself lucky you lived in a more sane era than we have today. However you fail to mention the doom suffered from acts of Crusades Hitler Stalin, Saddam Hussein or other despots that inflicted their own dooms day scenario on their people Today we have our OWN Hussein and he is hell bent on destroying AMERICA you have you head in your A–S–S with no glass navel to see out of you suffer from hypoxia and fail recognize what is transpiring as we as a nation passively watch.
            You need a reality check
            Semper-Fi

        • Brandon Smith

          Becoming economically independent from the system is the opposite of communism, NC. I suggest you reread the definition and educate yourself further before making a fool of yourself. Being a part of a community of self sufficient people is not the same as being part of a sovietized government dominated and corporately manipulated society either. You know, the same kind of establishment YOU make your money from.

          • Bill

            Great article Brandon and great advice.
            Our country was built on rugged individualism and free thinking. It is only a new concept to be so dependent.
            My fathers generation was very self reliant and always practiced independence over reliance on others. My wife’s mother was raised on a farm in a town of 500 and everything was grown, raised, stored and bartered.
            Never mind that we have a government that is running our country into the toilet, self reliance and independence is a good way to live your life, no matter what the times

          • Vis Fac

            Never argue economic with a liberal. They are the “KEFT” of anything financial. Don’t believe me look to Detroit!
            Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          Keep living the life as an ostrich only fools ignore the inner self (God speaking to us) and embrace folly (Satan speaking) You are obviously liberal and have a mental condition known as denial and seeing reality as phobia. Good luck to you and may God have pity on your soul.
          Semper-Fi

      • Vis Fac

        Agreed 100% Been doing so for many years now I am labeled as a terrorist to be feared. Guess what? I DON’T CARE
        Semper-Fi

  • dan

    great article….eventually the manipulators will get what all gamblers receive when they can’t cover their bets

    • Christopher Perdue

      That is true. The problem is, it is the common American that will suffer the most.

  • villageidiot

    KG might just be ignorant enough to be the next president! To argue with a fool is in itself very foolish!

    • Vis Fac

      You never argue with fools or morons to do so merely drags you down to their level where they then vanquish you with their experience
      Semper-Fi

  • dan

    “the all time high nominal price for for silver in Jan 1980 of $49.70 per ounce has not been hit since 1980. Based on April 2013 CPI-U inflation,the 1980 silver peak would be $148 per troy ounce and would be $583 per troy ounce in terms of April 1013 adjusted dollars (using the 1980 inflation measure).” John Williams,

    http://www.shadowstats.com/

    • Bill

      Dan,
      The only reason silver went up to almost $50 an ounce was because the Hunt Brothers was trying to control the silver market. That high was not based on market conditions, it was based on manipulation

      • dan

        I disagree in that had they not been stopped ,it would have been a cornered-market and THEN a manipulated market…. ,they purchased on the open market….but where would silver have been had we remained on a bi-mettalic (Constitutional) standard after we went bankrupt and decoupled from it in 1972 ?…
        remember it’s not a matter of silver and golds value (which is fairly constant) ,but the dollars purchasing power

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Whether the Hunt Brothers were trying to “corner” the market in Silver, or not, only they know.
          But the reality is that with Free Markets that would not be possible. Monopolies can only be created with the Force of Government.
          http://mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap10a.asp
          If most people weren’t willing to pay more than $6/ounce for silver as evidenced by the price of silver between 1985 and 2002, why would that change because only one entity had all the silver rather than several entities having the silver?
          And how would they have stopped new mines from coming on line and under-pricing them without the Force of Government to back them up?
          The Hunt Brothers experienced the reality of that economic law. They were idiots caught up in the same Federal-Reserve-created economic bubble that so many other common investors were caught in.

          • dan

            good observation…i edited from monopoly because the FTC was barring that possibility,…they had too large of a position and it might have led to a manipulation….just as ‘the market’ currently does with it’s outrageous unbacked/ virtual paper hedging…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did you read the article, Dan? Rothbard makes an exhaustive case why Monopolies can’t exist in Free Markets (cornering a market is just a form of monopoly).

          • dan

            yes,and I reread your original reply….I think that the market is a short term reaction whereas increased production is the long term solution to market forces.
            Whereas some in the market react with fear or greed,
            the majority invest. I agree that monopolies are not allowed to exist…but the market reacts to perceived shortage and the ATTEMPT to acquire too large a position will still elicit a stampede to get in on the potential profits … whereas a perceived over-supply provokes
            a sell-off and potentially a loss.
            I”ve heard it said that the goal for every capitalist ….
            IS a monopoly….but that a monopoly would destroy capitalism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You need to do more studying at Mises.org, Dan.
            Monopolies in Free Markets are myths promoted by those who seek Power and Special-Privilege over the rest of us. They could only possibly exist in Free Markets if they pleased their voluntary customers. As soon as they quit pleasing their voluntary customers, new companies would spring up and take their business.
            I think if you read this article carefully, you will get a better sense of what has really gone on in our history:
            http://mises.org/daily/2317

          • vicki

            What if there was just one plot of land that had some resource X. If I owned that land would I not have a monopoly on that resource?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If we could gain calories by breathing, we wouldn’t need to eat either.
            I’m not sure what your point is, Vicki?

          • vicki

            Dan. The point is that in a truly free market, a monopoly is absolutely impossible. If you have any example anywhere any time of an actual monopoly please show us. We can then point out were government force is used to create that monopoly.

            Note that temporary shortages do not create monopoly.

          • KG

            You show your ignorance of American History. In the 1800’s they were called “trusts” or “rings”.

            Rep. William Mason, arguing in favor of the Sherman Antitrust Act, said: “trusts have made products cheaper, have reduced prices; but if the price of oil, for instance, were reduced to one cent a barrel, it would not right the wrong done to people of this country by the trusts which have destroyed legitimate competition and driven honest men from legitimate business enterprise”.

            No ‘government’ helped Rockefeller other than the contracts he had, but the bulk of his empire was acquired through buying his competitors after under-pricing them – the same business technique used by Walmart today.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If somebody is willing to work harder than you, KGB, why should we patronize you — because you’re so respectful of your fellow humans?
            Here is reality for anybody who is ignorant enough to get their history from the Communist KGB:
            http://mises.org/daily/2317
            From the article:
            “The antitrust case against Standard Oil also seems absurd because its share of the petroleum products market had actually dropped significantly over the years. From a high of 88 percent in 1890, Standard Oil’s market share had fallen to 64 percent by 1911, the year in which the US Supreme Court reaffirmed the lower court finding that Standard Oil was guilty of monopolizing the petroleum products industry”.

            And perhaps, KGB, you could explain to the reader why, if something is so beneficial to the citizens, does the Government need to Force it on them?

          • KG

            Who is the government? WE ARE. Is clean water beneficial to the citizens? Should we allow water companies to sell tainted water? What if preventing companies from selling tainted water causes them to go out of business?

            I think if you ask most reasonable American citizens they LIKE the fact that government “forces” people to follow rules that benefit EVERYONE. But, I think you think that YOU are too ‘special’ to be included in with common ‘citizens’. After all, you are morally superior to them anyway. So, when the time comes for your type to shove them into the ovens, you will feel it’s your ‘moral duty’ to rid the world of such vermin.

            Seig Heil!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Who is the government? WE ARE”.
            Nonsense.

            KGB says — “Is clean water beneficial to the citizens? Should we allow water companies to sell tainted water? What if preventing companies from selling tainted water causes them to go out of business?”.
            Non Sequitur.

            KGB says — “I think if you ask most reasonable American citizens they LIKE the fact that government “forces” people to follow rules that benefit EVERYONE”.
            By “reasonable”, you must mean “brainwashed”?
            How would the average man know even a fraction of the “rules”, let alone know who they benefit?

            KGB says — “So, when the time comes for your type to shove them into the ovens”.
            Fallacious argument and an oxymoron, since it is you, KGB who is the advocate of Force.

          • Bill

            Kg’
            You must be referring to our own government that poisons our water with floridation

          • KG

            You mean “…our precious bodily fluids.”

  • Louis Lemieux

    Money is just a convenient substitute for everything else out there. We cannot live today with the same amount of dollars we had 10, 20, much less 50 years ago when U.S. population was below 200 million. As GDP goes up so too must the money supply. What really counts is production, the growth of GDP and this is what the FED has accomplish since the Great Recession with stimulus measures. To control inflation as it sets in, the FED will have to scale back.

    Our economy isn’t backed by gold anymore, our American dollar is backed by the confidence people all over the word have in it. If the U.S. was the only industrialized country with a sizable national debt, we would certainly be in trouble. This is no excuse, though, for not doing something about our national debt.

    People’s confidence in the American dollar has a lot to do with world stability and the role the U.S. plays in that field. Those opposed to U.S. government foreign aid to other nations, and/or opposed to strategic alliances between the United States and foreign nations have forgotten or want to forget that without the money, soldiers and ships of France the U.S. Constitution would not exist today.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Louis says — “We cannot live today with the same amount of dollars we had 10, 20, much less 50 years ago when U.S. population was below 200 million”.
      In 1900 the population was 76 million, and the Money Supply (M2) was $6.6 Billion.
      In 2012 the population was 314 million, and the Money Supply (M2) was $9,000 Billion.
      So the population is 4 times that of 1900, but the Money Supply is 1363 times that of 1900. Clearly, Louis, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
      Louis says — “As GDP goes up so too must the money supply”.
      You have that backwards, Louis. The size of the money supply drives the size of the GDP. As the supply of money is increased by the Federal Reserve, that new money competes in the economy and produces a higher GDP. But note – that does not mean that the quantity and/or quality of produced goods and services has actually increased:
      http://mises.org/daily/770

      • Louis Lemieux

        I never said the money supply had to follow the increase in population in any certain way, just that it makes sense it will go up as population increases because you have more people producing and we need more dollars to represent that increase.
        With today’s technology and improvements in production, men today can and do produce way more than what he could a century ago.
        As GDP goes up so too must the money supply and as the money supply goes up more or less in sync with the increase in production, the growth in money supply stimulates GDP, both in a symbiosis association.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Obviously, Louis, you didn’t read the article I linked to. How can you ever expect to learn anything when you don’t do any studying?
          GDP is a crude measure of wealth produced each year, and it is estimated by counting a sample of sales in the economy each year. As the price of products go up, so does the GDP, even if the number of products produced does not increase. Since Newly Created money drives up prices, it would therefore drive up GDP.
          The Growth in money supply does not stimulate GDP, Louis — only in the minds of Propagandized people. What it does do is to send false signals to entrepreneurs who gauge the increased purchases of their products, due to the new money being spent, as a sustainable condition. So they make new investments in capital goods in anticipation of a continuation of those sales. Also the newly-created easy money gets invested frivolously by the first recipients of that new money, adding to the problem. And we have another “boom”. So then, when the Federal Reserve must contract the money supply, due to high inflation rearing its ugly head, those unnecessary and frivolous investments come unraveled and we have another “bust”.
          If you really cared, Louis, you could go to mises.org and start learning, but I suspect that you have a vested interest in remaining ignorant.

          • Louis Lemieux

            I don’t believe in the myopic economic philosophy of Ludwig von Mises. I believe in The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money written by the English economist John Maynard Keynes along with the improvements made since then by modern economists.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Typical ad hominem attack from an ignorant Liberal Progressive.
            John Maynard Keynes was a court economist who wove tales out of whole cloth that would appeal to ignorant people like yourself, Louis, so that Leaders and their Crony Capitalists could parasitize the citizens.
            Rebut the specifics, if you can, Louis, you useless Liberal Progressive.

          • KG

            Dave, why are you so sensitive to von Misies? I mean, if I insulted the Pope or the Dali Lama I wouldn’t get half the vitriol you dole out on unbelievers of Herr Professor von Misies? I know that in most fascist governments a ‘supreme leader’ is usually a requirement to get the masses to follow over the inevitable cliff that these forms of government usually go over. Do you have a picture of him in your living room? Are their flowers and incense burning?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m sensitive to anybody being slandered, KGB. I would even stick up for you in that occasion.

          • KG

            Oh, I forgot. You are a beacon of morality. What did Gen. Patton say about that?

            “…when Morality goes up, morale goes down.”

            When you light your incense for Herr von Misies, do you say a little prayer?

            quote: I would even stick up for you in that occasion.

            I would hope so, but I ain’t counting on it – unless you start paying union dues.

          • John Myers

            Dear KG,
            If making a good argument counts, DaveH beats you hands down every time.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • Bill

            Kg,
            You have just described our current supreme leader whose backside you never fail to kiss on a daily basis

          • Louis Lemieux

            Where’s the ad hominem attack? Is “economic philosophy” a person?!
            I do not doubt the sincerity of your views on economy but I still say to you as an adversary friend that you are wrong.
            If I were you, with your beliefs, I would invest heavily in gold. For my part I believe in reliable stocks that pay dividends.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh please, Louis, are you really that ignorant?
            Louis says — “I don’t believe in the myopic economic philosophy of Ludwig von Mises”.
            And please explain to the reader, Louis, why counterfeiting is good.
            Also explain, Louis, if creating money out of thin air is good, why don’t all the 3rd world countries just create more money and have wonderful economies?
            And if paper money is beneficial to the economy, why don’t they just distribute the newly-created money evenly to all the citizens?

          • Louis Lemieux

            I never said counterfeiting is good, so why should I explain
            that?
            Creating money when there is nothing to back it up, if there is no growth in production or not enough production, that’s what I would call “creating money out of thin air”. Inflation is what you would get.
            Are you saying the U.S. isn’t producing more now than it did several years ago? If it is, you don’t think there should be more money out there to back that up?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As I said earlier, Louis, the money supply has increased 50% since 2008. Do you honestly believe that there are 50% more goods and services out there? If there were, we certainly wouldn’t be in the bad economy we’re currently in. In fact the overall production of goods and services has decreased if anything.
            Does it not sink in, that if the products and services cost more now than they did then, that increased cost is not indicative of an increase in supply?
            And you still haven’t explained to me, Louis, if indeed priming the pump with new money is beneficial to an economy, then why are there so many poor countries? Don’t you think that any Rum-Dumb dictator could print new money?
            And I’ll ask my original question a different way, Louis — What is wrong with counterfeiting?

          • Louis Lemieux

            We went into a deflationary situation in 2008( recession) and we are still short on money supply. http://azizonomics.com/2013/04/25/even-after-all-the-qe-the-money-supply-is-still-shrunken/

            Poor countries don’t have the infrastructure and capital to produce as do industrialized countries. Just printing money won’t change that.
            Counterfeiting is wrong because it’s something made in imitation of what is genuine with the intent to defraud.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Here are some charts for the CPI based on a 1990 CPI basket of goods, and a 1980 CPI basket of goods. I would put more faith in the 1980-based figures, because they were before the Government realized how much all the COLA adjustments were going to cost them, and I strongly suspect that they are purposely holding down CPI figures in order to save money on all their transfer payments:
            http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts
            The 1980-based charts reflect what I have experienced in the last 10 years (about 8% average growth per year in cost of living).

            Louis says — “Poor countries don’t have the infrastructure and capital to produce as do industrialized countries. Just printing money won’t change that”.
            That’s Doublespeak, Louis. It does nothing to explain why newly-created money couldn’t be used by Poor countries to spur their economies, just as you claim it does in America.
            The reality is that when newly created money is distributed to the Crony Capitalists, they can then use it to buy scarce goods and services before the Market Capitalists (their Competitors) can buy them. It’s like musical chairs. Not everybody will get a seat. So the Crony Capitalists who did nothing to earn the money get the seat that should have gone to a Market Capitalist who has done the right things — in other words we sink to the lowest common denominator.

            Louis says — “Counterfeiting is wrong because it’s something made in imitation of what is genuine with the intent to defraud”.
            Circular reasoning, Louis. You are making the assumption that paper dollars are genuine “money”, which they aren’t. They have no intrinsic value on their own. When the Federal Reserve prints dollars that are un-backed by real assets, the only difference between theirs and the other counterfeiters is — which group of people printed them.
            How does counterfeiting harm the public, Louis?

          • Louis Lemieux

            Poor countries only have a handful of graduates a year that come out of a university or two. It’s not hard to understand why they are poor. This is far from being the case for the U.S.
            Of course paper dollars don’t have any intrinsic value of their own without the backing of the U.S. economy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “Of course paper dollars don’t have any intrinsic value of their own without the backing of the U.S. economy”.
            No Louis, the paper dollars have no value of their own without the Force of the US Government and their Legal Tender Laws.

            Louis says — “Poor countries only have a handful of graduates a year that come out of a university or two. It’s not hard to understand why they are poor. This is far from being the case for the U.S.”.
            Way to go, Louis — a slap in the face for all the successful business people in the US who don’t have college educations. You are proof, Louis, that colleges do not necessarily instill the ability to reason in their students.
            For those readers who want to know the real reasons that certain countries are much poorer than others just study this ranking of countries based on the amount of Government Meddling in their economies:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
            Especially pick the links at the low end of the ranking to see what those countries’ Governments are doing wrong.

          • Louis Lemieux

            The Force of the US Government comes from its strong economy.
            I’m not slapping anyone in the face. To acknowledge that we need many graduates in many fields from many colleges and universities to stay competitive and improve our economy, I’m not downgrading anybody. If you don’t believe what I said, just say so!
            Some people falsely believe that by lowering someone else they are raising themselves. I see it all the time, but they’re doing it more or less unconsciously.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “It’s strong economy”? The economy doesn’t belong to, and is not strengthened by, the Government. Government is a consumer of the economy and a negative drain on productivity.

            Louis says — “Some people falsely believe that by lowering someone else they are raising themselves”.
            Then why do you use Big Government to Force your way on other people, Louis — the ultimate subjugation?

          • Louis Lemieux

            The US is one of the top countries with the strongest economy.
            Without government we would have anarchy which would be detrimental to productivity.
            I’m not using Big Government to Force my way on other people for the simple reason we have a government “of the people, by the people, for the people”. Don’t you vote at the federal level? If you do why?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “The US is one of the top countries with the strongest economy”.
            It takes time for Socialism to tear down what was built with Capitalism, Louis. But we are falling fast. Just a few years ago, we were #4 on the list of Countries with the most Economic Freedom. Now we are #10:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

            Louis says — “Without government we would have anarchy which would be detrimental to productivity”.
            Because you say so, Louis? That’s what Leaders also argued 300 years ago:
            http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

            Louis says — “I’m not using Big Government to Force my way on other people for the simple reason we have a government “of the people, by the people, for the people”.
            No Louis, you are Forcing other people every time you vote for a meddling, forcing Politician. Your reasoning is simple, Louis, simply fallacious. Government meddles in peoples’ personal choices on a daily basis. And they have, you have, no right to do that as long as those people aren’t trespassing on the bodies and property of others. To put it simply enough for your simple mind, Louis, you are just a member of a very large gang. If you took it on yourself to do most of the things that Government does on an individual basis, you would be in jail. But somehow you think if you get enough Gang Members to vote with you that you are absolved from guilt:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

            I vote only for Libertarians, Louis, who want to Shrink Government, not build it Bigger.

          • Louis Lemieux

            “If you took it on yourself to do most of the things that Government does on an individual basis, you would be in jail”.- It never occurs to you that some people or group of people are qualified to do things others are not.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think I’m better qualified to run your life than you are Louis. Why should I have to endure people like you running mine?

          • momo

            Louis, change your first name to Mario and talk about hockey!

          • Bill

            Keynes would roll over in his grave if he say how his teachings were prostituted.

          • Bill

            He did believe in the government providing during times of crisis but only until the private sector got on it’s feet. I am a free market libertarian and do not believe in the policies of Keynes because the present day liberals have blown his teachings out of proportion to sell their socialist ideas

      • Vis Fac

        Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. in 1900 we were on the GOLD standard that means paper was backed by actual gold that could be demanded for paper script. “pay the bearer on demand (enter amount of gold) the face value of the note.
        We are now off the gold standard and there is NOTHING these worthless Federal Reserve Notes have to trade for. Printing money out of thin air dilutes the value of worthless paper. When you have 15 quadrillion notes floating around with value of $100 to fill your gas tank (which is twice what I paid for my first automobile) then double the amount of worthless paper you pay $200 for the same amount of gas. Basic economics.

        The government’s printing of money makes everyone but government poorer your money is useless you might as well use it as kindling to light a fire. The real wealth and power is in bartering if you have a skill in demand or items needed by someone else you have a measure of power and can survive the impending collapse. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that is not going to happen for IT WILL and when you are least prepared.
        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The issue, Recon, was the amount of money outstanding. You are mixing apples and oranges. If you read my comments regularly you would know that I am a champion of natural money and a detractor of fiat money.
          Clearly you have no idea what I was talking about.

        • Charlie

          Your writes indicates again ,that this god you claim speaks direct to you IS NOT King Jesus Christ … Remember what King Jesus said At Matthew chapter 10,,,pay attention to verse 6 and 34… With that “”War”” comes Spiritual Forces , sometimes called “Guardian Angels” , King Jesus said He had 12000 At His Command … So today King Jesus Christ IS The Commander of The American Militia … He has already had a “Book” written filled with His “”Orders”” of what to do on a daily and or minute by minute schedule … So? what need has King Jesus to speak to you Except as visible actions of His answers to Your “”Prayers””… ALL,,, Prayers of “”True Christians”” are always answered ,,, But,,, you may not like His answers,,, They are usually ,,, Yes , No , Go , or “”Wait””….
          Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Vis Fac

            I am familiar with the bible you should be aware there are several interpretations Regardless of what your interpretation is I know God DOES speak to each one of us. Your problem is you refuse to listen while believing what man has written.

          • Charlie

            Well ,,, since we’re talking gold here ,,, gold , silver ,, copper , are Biblical Law money … What scriptures call that out ? The NASB is a easy reading Bible that concurs with most popular Bibles… What part of Acts 2:38 needs any interpretation ???
            IF? your god can’t train His Men to write a Bible correctly then He’s a weakling god….
            My God is The Almighty God of Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob Israel … Do Men get any more Powerful than these three???

  • johnd

    You make it sound like there is a separation or even a competition between countries. As I see it the same monetary policy controls all. America is the one getting picked on the most at present because we have the most. Once our standard of living and freedoms become more in line with the rest of the nations the real power controlling the world will more openly take control.
    I know it seems to be happening fast, but the powers have everything under control. There are still too many independent thinkers in America and it will take a few years to teach them to be subservient. The only thing that could change their plan would be some sort of natural disaster that they would have no control of.

  • FreedomFighter

    This is like reading about or similar to — pre-WWII positioning of countries.
    WWIII or some large scale confrontation looming?
    Looks that way.
    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Marshall Watson

    I know everyone is getting so used to hearing documentaries like this one they will say, “Oh it’s just the same old song and dance, nothing’s going to happen.” I pray they are right, but in my heart I know they are wrong. The financial policy our government is following leads only in one direction, financial default. As the amount of currency in circulation increases it’s value decreases. History has proven again and again that end result is always the same. The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That is insanity and our government and the present administration is insane, and that insanity will take our once great nation to a place we don’t want to go, anarchy. I have not placed my faith in the treasures of this world, but in the treasury of the world to come. My treasure is secure and my future certain, because my relationship with the One who controls both is secured by His sacrifice that purchased me for all eternity. I pray for those who have no such security, open your eyes to what is happening and turn to the only One who offers such a reward. God bless and keep you all!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Actually, Marshall, anarchy has been given a bad rap by those who want to subjugate us. As Clifford says here:
      http://mises.org/daily/3427
      “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. Some governments, over time, evolved toward the rule of law, perhaps only because their rulers saw that this would sanction their own continued enjoyment of the wealth that they possessed. In some instances, this evolution involved one or more “revolutions” in which those who were governed were able to better establish the rule of law”.

      The reality is that “S___ floats to the Top”. Those who have psychopathic tendencies tend to strive for Power over others, and they have mental tools that the good people wouldn’t use, so it is easy for them to climb over others in their pursuit of Power:
      http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

      About Anarchy:
      http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

      • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

        Or from “your friendly neighborhood” Redneck Philosopher…

        http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2009/06/anarchism-101.html

        http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2009/08/oodles-of-anarchists.html

        As Jefferson observed, liberty always shrinks as government grows so as Barney said, “You gotta nip in the Bud, Andy. Nip it in the bud!”

      • Marshall Watson

        Actually DaveH I deliberately tried to keep my comments from being too controversial, but looking around at the condition of our country and society anarchy is looking pretty good. God bless and keep some power dry.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Don’t hold back, Marshall, Bob loves controversy.

          • Marshall Watson

            Well one thing is for certain according to my family and friends, controversy is one of the things I am really good at stirring up. Again God bless to all!

          • $20580097

            cany you fools keep god out of this there is NO god

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear dada1111,

            You write: “keep god (sic) out of this there is NO god (sic).” Please prove it.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • $20580097

            you please prove that there is a god Hehe

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Since it cannot be proven with any scientific certainty either way (at least, not enough to convince anyone who already holds a contrary view) and both positions are equally a matter of faith, then it best to avoid this argument and instead concentrate on the problems of here and now and let eternity take care of itself.

            That is unless one is really into just causing division and dissension through the heavy use of derision which means that person is part of the problem and not the solution…

          • $20580097

            Actually Bob I pretty much agree with most of what you say except for the god thing I do enjoy reading what you have to say but the god thing does kind of stick in my ears

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear dada1111,

            You write: “Actually Bob I pretty much agree with most of what you say except for the god (sic) thing I do enjoy reading what you have to say…” Thank you.

            You write: “but the god (sic) thing does kind of stick in my ears” Then I suggest you find something else to stick in there first because a Christian is who I am. I’m always amazed at how fearful the Godless are of the mere mention of God’s name. I know why. The question is, do you?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Bill

            I like your wisdom, Grey Ghost
            Keep up the good work on your blog site

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            I do the best I can with the least I have ‘cuz that’s all I got…

          • Marshall Watson

            Ol’ Grey Ghost, You see it can be proven with scientific certainty. It’s just that the majority of the scientific community which happens to be atheistic keeps promoting theories that can’t be proven with evidence that is nonexistent, and the liberal communist mass media wouldn’t print the truth because they deny that there is real truth only relativism. The real proven discoveries of modern science in the last 30 years prove beyond any doubt that our reality was designed and created by an Intelligence so far beyond our own that though we see the evidence of It we truly can’t comprehend the vastness of It. I could try to list the many proofs of what I am saying but there isn’t enough room, and even if I did those who refuse to believe will never accept the evidence even though they can’t deny it.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Marshall Watson,

            As a Deist, I accept the existence of an ultimate creative being…

            http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-having-grey-religion.html

            Now Christians, Jews, and Muslims consider me to be an “unbeliever” while nonbelievers consider me to be delusional since I believe in something. The problem that usually pops up in such discussions about liberty is those bigoted types who refuse to work for the sake of liberty with others who do not worship God, or a god, or don’t worship God in the same way that they do. All who just want to exercise the right to worship the way they want end up losing the liberty they seek to be able to.

            I fault no man for his dependence or claims to dependence on a supreme being to live his life if he does the same for me in return. My earlier posting was in regard to those who would rather argue the point for argument’s sake rather than work together…

          • Marshall Watson

            I suppose some call me weak, some call me bigoted, most call me anything but what I am, a child of God. Yet I would deny no man his beliefs and will defend to the death his right to those beliefs, whether they align with mine or not. What I cannot tolerate is when another person or group forces me to accept their views as the only right and everyone else must line up with their view, because they are enlightened beyond my scope of understanding and need to be shown a better way. Nope I just can’t tolerate that mindset. I also believe in liberty, ordered liberty, where everyone is committed to the preservation of not just his own liberty but also that of his neighbor. I know, now I’m just another dreamer, but if I am so were our nation’s founders. They gave us a remarkable dream and it is up to us to keep that dream alive. What they left us worked quite well for a great number of years until we became arrogant in our prosperity and allowed a group of elitist liberals to change the original concept of that dream into what is about to become a nightmare.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            “Nope I just can’t tolerate that mindset. I also believe in liberty,
            ordered liberty, where everyone is committed to the preservation of not
            just his own liberty but also that of his neighbor.”

            Then, Marshall, you and I are on the same team. May your God richly bless you and yours and keep y’all safe till next time we meet…

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear dada1111,

            You made the declarative statement. The ball is in your court.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • grassroot

            Everyone has a god, it is just a matter of who

            it is, If it’s not the creator God, then it’s some
            one or thing else that you have set up for

            yourselves. We are made this way. Having a
            ” god shaped blank within us.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why does somebody else’s belief system bother you, dada?

        • Vis Fac

          The government is trying to avoid anarchy by their incessant assault on OUR second amendment. Government knows full well laws are enforced at gunpoint. If only the government is armed we the people are no longer free citizens but merely pawns/subjects of the realm. Try Me!!
          Semper-Fi

          • grassroot

            As Mao said, ” government at the point of a gun” And, Bill Maher Said, ” drag them to it.”

            As we are being dragged.

      • Vis Fac

        Actually the S___ you refer to sinks unless it is full of gas. SCUM however does float! Use a little imagination here
        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Your diet is too high in fiber, Force.

          • Vis Fac

            Maybe so. But I like being a regular guy. We have plenty of regularity at home too. Our horse manurer is not good for much other than stuffing car seats in Tia Juana but cow piles make for good fertilizer.
            On a serious note! We will soon have anarchy because the economy will collapse and there will be nothing to pay for police fire and other city/government services. We will be left to our own devices a lot of people will perish only the strong and prepared will survive.
            Semper-Fi

      • Bill

        Good analogy Dave

    • Vis Fac

      ALWAYS go with what your heart is saying because that is God speaking to you. I ALWAYS listen to God when he speaks to me and I am eternally grateful he speaks to me. I would not be here if I hadn’t nor would I have the peace of mind I enjoy today.
      Semper-Fi

      • Charlie

        No one speaks directly to The Almighty God ,,, All have to connect with God thru The Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ ,,, and IF? you have NOT accomplished Acts 2:38 “”Properly”” ,,, you may not be hearing the God / god you “Think” you are……..

        • Vis Fac

          Charlie When we pray we pray to GOD Jesus Christ is God. One of many times when serving in Vietnam God spoke to me warning me of an impending tragedy. I can still hear these words clearly “do not follow orders encamp elsewhere”

          FYI on patrol the Battalion commander had a favorite outpost he commanded to be manned when patrolled a certain area and each patrol was ordered to encamp at this outpost. I heeded to words of God and encamped elsewhere.

          I led a small patrol to reconnoiter the outpost where I heard God;s words again “look down” remnants of the patrol were scouting the perimeter and I LOOKED DOWN and was standing on what looked like a water heater. I immediately ordered an evac of the area as I was atop of an unexploded 500 lb bomb.

          After a few minutes we returned and noticed connecting wires from a central point to several pieces of unexploded ordinance burried around the perimeter. I orders wires cut while posting lookouts looking for suspicious activity. All the ordinance was piled atop the bomb and detonated.
          Had I not listened to what God said I would be with him and not able to relate my experiences. Or any since God speaks to us daily only most of you refuse to listen.
          Semper-Fi

        • Charlie

          I avoided gun toting groundpounder duty simply by using Army Regulations and good common sense ,,, I was into Army Aviation … It reads you may have done something similar… I notice you did NOT answer IF? you have Accomplished Acts 2:38 … The Bible is todays communications with His People… Do what King Jesus says FIRST then pray The Prayer that King Jesus said At Matthew 6:9–13,,, of course first things first ,,, see Matthew 6:33,,, have you been doing Matthew 6:33 now or before???

    • grassroot

      And is being done of a purpose,, for a ” One World

      Government.”

    • wandamurline

      I agree with you completely….I have been on this earth 66 years and I have seen it move from a country of freedoms and a place where you could create your own wealth to a country were government has it’s thumb on your head holding you underwater. America is going to have real pain…the bailouts should never, ever been allowed to happen….there is NO business that is too big to fail….if you cannot run your business in the black, then you deserve to go bankrupt (Detroit an example?). This was a lie by Congress to give money to their friends …. what did the big banks do with the money (hint: they did not lend it like they were supposed to) they purchased smaller struggling banks and became even BIGGER. Had these companies been allowed to collapse, it would have hurt for a little while, but after 4.6 years, we would be emerging into a new era where businesses were held accountable for their corruption and Americans would not be under a 16+ trillion dollar debt.

  • Terry Bateman

    This time around looks like central banks stocking gold at wrong time with
    price dropping to $1300 and headed to $800 from $1900 high. China
    snubbing the dollar in trade is biting the hand that feeds it .Who buys
    more of their stuff than we do? Who can put up a 10% tariff on Chinese
    imports and eliminate their trade surplus? Who can humiliate China by
    placing a naval fleet near their shores? Who holds the most U.S. Dollars
    and loses the most if they destroy the dollar: Who holds the most US debt
    and loses the most if the U.S. defaults on its international debt? China
    and other countries will gain nothing and lose everything by snubbing the
    US Dollar.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Hitler was pretty confident also.

      • Terry Bateman

        Macarthur and Truman and Eisenhower were confident
        and they destroyed Hitler

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Some day the other countries of the world will get fed up and bring it home to us whether you like it or not.
          USA! USA! USA!

          • KG

            Will you be helping or hurting?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would defend myself. But I wouldn’t defend you.

          • KG

            Like a team player! Your ancestors must have been those “Austrian Economic” states rights people who abandoned George Washington at Valley Forge. You, sir are a patriot!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            George Washington was a statist buffoon who insisted on fighting the most well-trained army in the world toe-to-toe like a macho idiot. And in so doing, his men became cannon fodder for the British.
            We won the revolution in spite of George Washington whose main skills were those of Politician. We won because militia bands of Patriotic Americans, who were supported by the populace, dealt withering blows to the British troops who were not trained for the guerrilla warfare that was dealt on them:
            http://mises.org/books/conceived4.pdf

          • KG

            So I was right again! Your what the patriots would call a gutless torie. If George Washington was so bad, why is the commander in chief in charge of the Militia???

            Article. II.
            Section. 2.

            The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Because the “statist buffoon” insisted it be written that way when he was the president of the Constitutional Convention. It wasn’t in effect when he was the Commander of the Continental Army; a good thing or the Americans would have lost the war…

          • KG

            So I guess you have ‘swiftboated’ George Washington? How can you sleep at night knowing that people like you are whats the problem with America? Is being selfish and self-centered really that pleasing?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB,
            Do you really think anybody listens to anything you spew? Imagine that — A Communist Forcer talking about someone else being selfish and self-centered.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            LOL! Everyone, and every living creature for that matter, is selfish and self-centered. It’s a part of our basic survival instincts and, if you are an earthling, it is part of yours.

            It is people who believe they can force others to live as they choose those others should live instead of allowing people to choose their own peaceful courses through this existence for the short time that we are all here is “whats (sic) the problem with America.”

            http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-is-yankee.html

            As for Washington, it is not a matter of what I say about him, but rather that I prefer the truth about History over the political propaganda that passes for History in the government-owned and politician-managed school system.

            If you try to tell me and others that you are not selfish and self-centered, then you will prove my point by your very response to this statement as a defense of your self-centered ego, and also prove that you are a selfish, yet self-deluded, hypocrite…

          • KG

            You are right, as human beings, part of our survival instinct is tied to a certain amount of selfishness. However, the mistake is to see our selfishness as the cure-all for man’s ills which is the strange proposition of Libertarians like yourself. That if all I did was look out for what’s best for me, then everyone will benefit. If everyone did that, then eventually the human experience would become a never-ending terrordome of conflicting wills. A constant war between the wills and desires of unsatisfied humans. A result that the history of Mankind has shown a tendency to devolve into unless man realizes the folly of such existence and realizes that each man’s welfare is dependent on everyone else around you. That’s why civilized men CHOOSE to be part of Government. If not for Governments, we would have no civilization. And if not for men of real character, like George Washington, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            “If everyone did that, then eventually the human experience would become a never-ending terrordome (sic) of conflicting wills.”

            It already is and governments, through their concentration of power, makes it worse.

            “That’s why civilized men CHOOSE to be part of Government.”

            Most people consent to some government as it best serves their personal self-interest (i.e. security). Those “men (who) CHOOSE (sic) to be part of government” make the choice to lord over their fellow humans as it best serves their personal self-interests (i.e. enrichment). If one wants to serve their fellow man in an altruistic fashion, then there are plenty of ways to do so without infringing upon your fellow man’s right to be left alone.

            “And if not for men of real character, like George Washington, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.”

            We’re having this conversation thanks to a good man like Bob Livingston who put up this website for whatever purpose it best serves his personal self-interest. Give credit to where it is due…

          • KG

            Well then, if we want to ‘Give credit to where it is due…’ then we really need to give the credit to Al Gore. If it were not for his crusade in the early 90’s to wire the schools for a new technology (internet) Bob would still be photocopying his newsletters.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            LOL, again. You should really go on the road with this stuff. The Internet exists as it does because individuals wanted it to as it would benefit them and not because of any government program. We could say the Internet exist in spite of government rather than from any support by it, but, hey, Al Gore got individually wealthy on being able to claim credit for it…

          • wandamurline

            As for Al Gore….he was set to make a cadzillion dollars selling carbon credits, but Cap and Trade was stopped, so little Al went overseas to sell his “global warming” myth…at first, foreigners were buying, but that went away also. You talk about a money whore….look no further than Al Gore or Slick Willie Clinton and his thunder thighs wife, Hiliary…who will be asking for your vote in 2016 to finalize the destruction of America.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            She can ask, but she won’t receive…

          • wandamurline

            You are correct on one thing….history books do not always tell the truth….Lincoln is credited by freeing the slaves….actually Lincoln could have cared less about this….he was not going to allow the south to secede from the Union…that was the reason for the war and the slave thing didn’t happen until the war was going on for about four years. Also, a tidbit….Lincoln bypassed the Constitution and did away with the writs of habeas corpus, and after the war actually considered returning the slaves to Africa. On that aspect, you are correct…our kids do not get taught the “real” history of America.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            You are correct, sir! Along with Africa, Lincoln considered rounding up the “contraband” slaves and shipping them to Brazil to be sold as slaves again to work on the plantations there. His “Emancipation Proclamation” freed no one that he had actual jurisdiction over and was meant to appease the abolitionists of Europe so that they would not side with the South during the War, and if he could cause a slave rebellion by that certain political stunt, then so the better for winning the War that he caused.

            He cared nothing for the “darkies” (one of the more polite terms he used to describe the Black slaves) and if he had an abolitionist bone in his body it was “to remove the dark stain of Africa from this White man’s country” (often attributed to Lincoln but with no historical verification; it may have come from an editorial written in support of Lincoln)…

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Because the “statist buffoon” insisted it be written that way when he was the president of the Constitutional Convention. It wasn’t in effect when he was the Commander of the Continental Army; a good thing or the Americans would have lost the war…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh please, KGB, are you really that ignorant? Leaders will always grab as much power as they can. The people who wrote the Constitution were no different.
            As I said, George Washington’s main attribute was being a Politician.
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/gary-d-barnett/limited-government/

          • Charlie

            KG,,, The American Militia is now under “The” Command of King Jesus Christ ,,, as the First Commandment tells you … Also Matthew 6:33 , spoken by King Jesus , tells you what to do first … What’s the three things to concentrate
            on to hit the target???

          • KG

            Matthew 26 (King James Version)

            51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.

            52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

            53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

            54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, Yep,,, that’s what that Scripture says ,,, but ,,, what does Luke 22:36 say??? Different event ? ,,,different action… How about that ? it appears in “”Harmonized””” Scriptures ,,, blood for blood , tooth for tooth ,,, still apply…
            Also check out Luke 19:27,,, is that a Militia Leader Command or what?????????????????

          • KG

            …a lifestyle of the sword must not be part of the disciples’ new walk with the resurrected Christ, as they preached his message of hope…

            http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/luke_22_36.htm

          • Charlie

            KG,,, did David cut the Giants head off with the Giants sword ? was King Jesus known as the son of David ? they were both in the same Bloodline… Did King Jesus drive the crooks out of The Temple with a deadly weapon ?

          • KG

            I don’t think it was a ‘deadly ‘weapon since weapons were forbidden in the temple complex. Jesus had to make a whip with what was there. Besides, when did Jesus advocate violence before this act?

            http://liferemixed.net/2011/06/22/who-would-jesus-whip/

          • Charlie

            Is stoning violence ?

          • KG

            John 8

            King James Version (KJV)

            7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

            10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

            11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

          • Charlie

            KG,,, The Law case where the “Jury” walk away,,,, So ?,,, Judge Jesus dismissed the case without prejudice……….
            Point no point ???

          • KG

            Here is an interesting discussion about Luke 19:27.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nco3KFWc28

          • Charlie

            KG,,, No wonder your Bible “”Harmonization”” is in the dark zone,,, Darkies are very restricted by the “”Curses”” and Matthew 15:24………. Have you accomplished Acts 2:38 ? and are you a darkie ?

          • KG

            Romans 9:24-26

            21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

            24 even us whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

            25 As He saith also in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My people,’ who were not My people, and ‘her beloved’ who was not beloved.”

            26 And, “It shall come to pass that in the place where it was said unto them, ‘Ye are not My people,’ there shall they be called the children of the living God.”

          • Charlie

            KG,,, define what a Jew is according to The Bible…
            Define what a Gentile is according to Paul in The Bible…
            What Bible people does Hosea speak of ?

          • KG

            A Jew is someone who practices Judaism. Paul was a citizen of Rome, as well as a gentile who practiced Judaism. Hosea spoke to the northern Jews, who, ironically, became the Samaritans. So, what was you point?

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, you made My point ,,, your ignorance of the 4 types of “”Jews””” pointed at in The Bible,,, 1. Bloodline Jew 2. Geographical Jew , 3. Religious Jew, 4. Edomite Jew ,,, King Jesus pointed out The Edomite Jews at John 8:12–52… Also He pointed them out at Revelations 2:9, 3:9….
            Paul was a Benjamite / Italian , his father was a Roman Soldier and he live in Jerusalem making him a Geographical Jew… Paul,,, was not a gentile, he was sent to preach to the gentiles… Gentile simply means ,,,the Children of Israel in other nations… Hosea spoke to mostly The Children of Israel… A Man named Jacob Israel was The Founding Father of his 12 sons of Israel , which are God’s Chosen People……………

          • KG

            What kind of Jew was Jesus? And what does the Edomites have to do with Judaism? Just wondering what it is you are trying to say.

          • Charlie

            KG,,, Have you read The Bible for your self? Where did the word “Jew” originate ??? Who was Esau’s Twin brother ? Who was the 4th son of Leah ? Jacob Israel is the Father of that 4 th son… What I said was you don’t know The Bible very well … It’s time for your Westwood mind tweak …. Also go to Beverly Hills Baptist Church and take Bible 101…………………………

    • Vis Fac

      The reason Gold is falling is that platinum and palladium are more desirable. The more rare the metal the more it costs. Diamonds are not rare yet they are pricey why? Manipulation and control just like the gold market is being manipulated When gold drops further it will be bought up in a flash and only the banks will have funds to buy it.
      Semper-Fi

      • wandamurline

        Gold my be falling in price, but you go out and try to purchase some of it at the “new” lower price. No one is selling….I know because I have been looking for some at $1300….it may exist, but no one is selling at that price….everyone is hanging on to the gold that they have. When Nixon changed the economy and stopped the gold standard…(of course Wilson allowing the Federal Reserve to be implemented was bad also) because under the gold standard, Congress could not spend more than was backed up by gold. People make fun of the survivorlists and preppers….wonder if they will continue to make fun of them when everything falls of the cliff? If you are not preparing, you are setting yourself up for real pain in the future because Bernake cannot hold this economy together forever and inflation will make the Jimmy Carter era look like a “bump in the road”.

        • Vis Fac

          Nixon was not responsible for the US ceding the gold system CONGRESS was responsible not Nixon. You can still buy gold but you will pay the “going retail rate” Canadian Maple Leafs are good a 1 ounce coin to have.
          You can buy silver too just not from a pawn shop there are reputable coin dealers who are fair. You might want consider other thing to barter with when times are tough Batteries tobacco coffee alcohol gum candy toiletries to name a few.

          Preppers like me have been ostracized by lame stream media as being terrorists In “the good old days” it was know as saving for a rainy day all of a sudden these are terrorist activities. When TSHTF we will revert to bartering and those who have will be assaulted by those who have not; the very people who want to disarm us. GUESS WHAT?
          Semper-Fi

          • wandamurline

            It was on Nixon’s watch, so the buck stopped there. I am also a prepper and I don’t intend to be assaulted for anything …. we are prepared to guard what little we have. I am also a tea party patriot, and my husband is retired military, so we are three times “the terrorist” as per our corrupt unconstitutional government. Stay dry and keep your guns loaded.

          • Vis Fac

            Maybe Nixon is culpable as the buck was supposed to stop there UNLIKE the MORON occupying the Oval Office today.
            Well if you are three times a terrorist that makes me a total terrorist. I am self sufficient ) I have solar power and a bank of reserve batteries and if need be I can exist off grid. I have most of my money invested in tangible items land guns ammo food water etc and none in the bank to be stolen when the economy crashes Let me qualify that I have enough to pay bills and little more.
            I live in a ultra rural area with workable farmland and woods there is a stream that runs close to the “shack” and we have two wells. We have our own livestock and I am definitely a “prepper” and tea party supporter Guns ammo are in plenty supply and each member of the family including grand kids are proficient in their use.
            As we are a distance for any dense population we feel rather secure. We have a multi tiered living alarm system to warn us when strangers are near.
            Of course this prepping took several years to secure as I have planned for the children to settle in as well Some have the others are in process. Careers have impeded the process.
            So Yes we are terrorists to the max!
            Semper-Fi

  • popham

    America’s once great economy is unsustainable and on the brink
    of another economic/fiscal emergency, likely to be worse than 2007-08.
    We have approximately 31 days before it happens.
    Good luck, America.

    • Charlie

      Are you taking “Bets”” on this 31 days ? We think more like 45 days… Only King Jesus knows for sure and The Book says He ain’t telling … One guy on this thread says he’s got a direct line ,,, but ,,, he has not made any predictions yet…………………………………….