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God’s Little Acre

February 15, 2011 by  

God’s Little Acre

As 2010 became 2011, the people of Tunisia, spurred on by a random incident of police brutality, awoke from the slumber of oppression and took to the streets. Within days their government was high-tailing it for quieter climes.

Then the 30-year old regime of Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak was beset by thundering masses. Despots in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Algeria warily eye similar rumblings. Even the quietude of Amman, Jordan, ruled with a reasonably light touch by benevolent monarch King Abdullah II, has been interrupted by ominous rumblings of late.

Meanwhile, the United States, tied to the region through multi-billion dollar aid to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and regional pariah Israel, has responded with… well… Leon Panetta is still watching CNN.

Now, the governance of Egypt has fallen to the military; meaning the new boss may be no better than the old boss. The takeover, seen by many as a coup, has spawned not only a new round of concerns about the direction of the most-populous nation in the Arab world, but a veritable tsunami of cheap jokes based on Who lyrics.

Egypt’s military have issued opaque “communiqués” promising their ultimate goal is to:

"…discuss what measures and arrangements could be taken to safeguard the homeland… and the aspirations of the great Egyptian people."

That would presume that the Egyptian military, which until recently held out Mubarak as an icon (Mubarak is a former Air Force commander and is considered a hero from Egypt’s second place finish in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war), has the same idea about the aspirations for “the great Egyptian people” as do “the great Egyptian people.”

Behind this whole tableau is the shadowy hand of an increasingly important group named the Muslim Brotherhood. Though the Obama administration’s Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, has described them as a “"largely secular" group that has "eschewed violence," the reality is that an influential Muslim Brotherhood is nothing approaching good news for Western interests, or even Egyptian interests which don’t share the same aspirations as the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a worldwide organization, the oldest active Islamist group in the world. Though there is some debate about their goals, there is no ignoring the mountain of evidence suggesting that those goals are nefarious by non-nefarious standards. There are reputable reports of ties to terrorist groups like HAMAS and Hezbollah. In the words of former White House counterterrorism Chief Juan Zarate:

"The Muslim Brotherhood is a group that worries us not because it deals with philosophical or ideological ideas but because it defends the use of violence against civilians."

The Brotherhood’s key figures also have ties to Osama bin Laden through Youssef Nada and the Al Taqwa group, which is alleged to have served in a financial advisory capacity to al-Qaida for some time.

With the Brotherhood taking the potential foray in upheaval in the Middle East, the question turns to the role the United States might play in the unfolding drama. Although some might immediately suggest that the United States should stay the hell out of internal affairs in the region, I would counter that that camel has already strolled. Moreover, an isolationist U.S. leaves an influence/intelligence gap wider than the Suez Canal.

With recent polling indicating that the majority of respondents would appreciate a more stringent type of Islamist system. A recent Pew poll showed that 95 percent of Egyptians would prefer Islam play a “large role in politics.” Read: No separation of mosque and state. The same poll also revealed “84 percent favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim faith.” Get thee to a mosque, Mr. President, and make it snappy.

President Barack Obama, like Presidents George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter before him, is operating under the misapprehension that freedom and democracy mean the same thing to Akbar, Haji and Muhammad as they do to Tom, Dick and Harry. The Islamist beliefs of many in the Middle East color their worldview to include Sharia, stoning and the subjugation of women; all anathematic to Americans (except perhaps that last one — relative to ex-wives).

Somewhere between George W. Bush’s “shoot first, ask about a transitional government later” style of diplomacy and Obama’s “WHAT happened in ‘Tunafish-ea’?” obliviousness is the likely proper path. Obama and his minions “diplomacy via television” has trapped America in God’s little acre:

East of the rock, west of the hard place.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Michael J.

    Are we to believe Egyptian state run media reports of their countymen’s protests for Democracy, or is it really like this Tunisian video where protestors opening call for an Islamic Caliphate?

    http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/multimedia/video/11038-video-tunisia-protests-people-call-for-islam-and-khilafah

    Be sure to read text that accompanies video on same page.

    • TIME

      Michael,

      Your dead on my firend, when one starts pulling back the blinds we see that our Governemt has been involved with this for well over 4 years.
      As well companys like Google and MTV so as to this being some spur or the moment event thats utter nonsense.
      This has in fact been in the works for years then the only question is – Who Gains? Can you say, The New World Order?

      Can any of you grasp we have just seen the first stages of World War III?
      Will you people wake the bloody hell up.

      • Al Sieber

        Time, sometimes I fear it’s too late, they’re gonna renew parts of the Patriot Act, and I’m beginning to believe “Political Choice” is a illusion anyways, I’ve always had my suspicions. it doesn’t matter who you vote for. I know freedom is a illusion, that’s why I try to get away with as much as I can, I have to get permits from the Fed. Govt. to work sometimes, and the Govt. official I deal with likes good tequila so put 2 + 2 together. they are rioting in Iran also and I agree about WW111.

        • DaveH

          Don’t despair, Al. We can see by the comments of so many on this board that we are indeed getting the kind of Government we vote for. The real battle is going to be awakening our friends and relatives to the reality of Big Government. I feel that if we can accomplish that, we can get our Freedom back. It isn’s going to be easy, though, to reverse the decades of public school propaganda.

          • Al Sieber

            Thanks Dave, I don’t give up, the only way I can spread the word where I live is by e-mail, every morning and every evening. well off to work.

          • DaveH
          • TIME

            Al Dave and CC,
            The Friday night I was at a dinner party, as anyone can guess the subject of the Middle east came up a number of times.

            A fellow I told my theory about ten years ago that WW III would start in small moves by Outlandish groups in the Middle East around 2011. Well he asked me if I still felt WW III would start by 2012?
            As he laughed in a rather dismissive manor, as well looking very smug
            Oh he is a Professor, of modern History.

            I responded with the following;
            WW III started four weeks ago, you just have yet to get the picture.

            Just as WW I started and it took well over 2 month before the bullets started flying. Keep in mind it was not until January 1918 when Woody Wilson brought the US into the war did it become WW I.
            Known as “The war to end all wars.” By the way a war of what Woody Wilson stated during his path to the POTUS that the US would never get involved. Yea, that worked out so well.

            WW II started in 1936, but no one could quite grasp that, after all the Germans were just taking back what was theirs prior to WW I.
            Then in September 1939, WW II had still not really started, it was just the war in Europe, as noted in TIME Magazine, and the NYT.
            Then on December 8th 1941 when WW II officialy started as then all the whole world was at war.

            Just as just four weeks ago what seemed like a relatively oblique event took place, these events will keep going now for months to come.
            By January 2012 the events will start to show the true value that they have. Keep in mind that in just January 2009 gas was only $1.83 per gallon, now in Febuary 2011 gas is $3.12 per gallon thats a 70% jump on just gas prices, of what I have been 100% on target with. What do you think the effect will be on Food prices in the coming months? Just as I said all those years ago food prices will grow to crazy amounts, where a loaf of bread will be $20.00,
            How about Cotton that has as I said it would jump 100% in cost by January 2011, and it has, and it will keep on going up and up and up.

            People, wake up. Its now or never if you don’t get your self right with you’re GOD and you’re life it will be to late.

            This war will last just as predicted, it will drag on for many years, the battles will be over FOOD, Energy, and POWER.
            This time its going to be a real game changer. Countless Millions will die.
            “The peace maker will rise from the Middle East, he will hold power for 48 months before his down fall.” Then the world will fall into Chaos as the Sun’s of Light fight the Son’s of Darkness in humans last war. Then the Son’s of light will rule over the world for 1000 years of Peace.

            It has nothing to do with the Mayans it has everything to do with GOOD V EVIL. Can I make it any more clear.
            Barry Soetoro is but a sympton, we are the cause.
            May God have mercy on all our souls.

          • DaveH

            For those who don’t understand the “we are the cause” statement:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • karolyn

            Time – God doesn’t need to have mercy on our souls because our souls/spirits are free; and when our bodies die, they have the ultimate freedom and joy! Laugh if you want, but what if I’M right, not you. Then you’re wasting time worrying about all the “evils”.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            Evil doesn’t need a God to exist. The world is full of sociopathic people who will do whatever it takes to get what they want.

          • Al Sieber

            DaveH, , Good and evil is like night and day, black and white, etc.one balances out the other. just a thought. and there’s a lot of evil people.

          • Lastmanstanding

            To all…Good vs. evil. It is that simple. Stand firm with God…

            Thanks again TIME.

      • Cawmun Cents

        I have been blogging the fact that WW3 is headed our way for years.Most folks would rather run around saying,”blah,blah,blah,I cant hear you!”….than listen to you tell them about the obvious.I would like to report to you that they have their heads buried in the sand,but I am afraid their heads are buried much deeper elsewhere.You will come to know that people want to see the other side of the hill as having (green)er grass,but they refuse to smell the fertilizer that made the grass look (green)er.Ah yes,the life of illusion is much easier on the eyes.Who gains is the question?The answer is….to be determined…..

        • Al Sieber

          C Cents, I agree with you follow the money and you’ll know who gains from all of this.

          • Al Sieber

            My granddaughter is being deployed to Afghanistan in 5 days, she’s in Task Force Attack, she’ll be on the front lines and I worry about her, I think the whole middle east is gonna erupt.

          • DaveH

            We need to get out of those countries (and all the others) before we have impoverished our nation to the point where we can’t even defend our own country anymore.
            The best we can do is let those countries fall so the world has shining examples of where the so-called Free countries are headed if they don’t cast off Big Government and bring real Freedom back.

          • Al Sieber

            I with you there too Dave, we have no business in these countries. we’ve been in Afghanistan 10 years, weren’t we led to believe 15 out of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? we’re in Afghanistan for the mineral wealth etc.

          • 45caliber

            Al:

            What mineral wealth does Afghanistan have? The last thing I’ve heard about this place is there is NOTHING there except opium growers.

          • Curtis

            According to reports last year, Afghanistan is supposed to be sitting on $1 to $3 Trillion worth of minerals. (search ‘Afghanistan mineral wealth’ and choose the source you trust.) Here’s the link to the Christian Science Monitor’s story:

            http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2010/0615/News-of-Afghanistan-s-mineral-wealth-deepens-suspicion-of-US-aims

            Afghanistan is also rumored to be part of a route to the oil fields of central Asia as well.

            Sorry, I still like to think this is about defeating the Taliban and/or capturing Bin Laden… however naive this belief may be.

          • ValDM

            45,
            Afghanistan is the source for many high quality colored gems. High quality colored stones are sometimes just as valuable as a lesser quality diamond.

          • 45caliber

            I know that Afghanistan has some colored gems – but even the diamond mines in South Africa are little more than a sideline. In fact, most diamonds are ground up and used in tools rather than gemstones since the market is marginal.

            You need something larger than gems to do any real good.

          • Vigilant

            DaveH,

            “We need to get out of those countries (and all the others) before we have impoverished our nation to the point where we can’t even defend our own country anymore. The best we can do is let those countries fall so the world has shining examples of where the so-called Free countries are headed if they don’t cast off Big Government and bring real Freedom back.”

            I’m afraid it’s too late for that. Like it or not, we depend on those countries for oil, and without it we are dead in the water.

            If DOE had done their job and decreased our dependence on foreign oil, it might be a different story, but pulling up stakes at this time would be utterly devastating to our way of life. Obama and his followers will, of course, deny there is a wake-up call in the Middle East, and the resultant disruptions in American society when the oil is cut off, will bring on a big government crackdown like we’ve never seen before. The mechanisms are in place, and it will happen.

            The time for shallow-water Gulf drilling, exploitation of domestic oil reserves, increased production of coal and nuclear energy have come and gone. I’m as big a proponent of small government as there is, but what are we to do?

          • DaveH

            Oil which we are burning up with our tanks, airplanes, and other war machinery.
            You’re right, Vigilant, there is much pain in our future, but the longer we delay facing it, the greater it is going to be.

          • Dan az

            Hey 45
            here is a site on the minerals and if you look there is more on there in earlier months.
            http://www.moneynews.com/Markets/Afghans-Bonanza-Scarce-Rare-Earth/2011/02/14/id/386011

          • bob wire

            I’m somewhat surprised 45, ~ I kinda figured everyone had received the memo , why would Chaney and his black Opts have some much business to conduct yet with such few gains on the ground? Afghanistan was subjected to the most up to date sounding equipment science research had to offer.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Al,
            I will include your daughter in my prayers tonight. Tell her we in our house wish her the very best!!

          • Al Sieber

            45, it has vast amounts of gold and gemstones, they did a report of it on 60 minutes. read the books by Z. brezinski, Between 2 Ages, etc. and check out Project For A New American Century.

          • Lastmanstanding

            Al. We will pray for her safety.

          • Pete

            Here some suggestions ….

            First complete development of the Farnsworth Fusor ….

            http://www.fusor.net/

            That will solve our energy crisis, and also supply us with a new form of aerospace propulsion …

            The WORLD will not be dependent on OIL as a fuel source anymore ..

        • http://?? Joe H.

          AL,
          excuse me, I meant your granddaughter.

          • Al Sieber

            Thank you Joe, I really appreciate it.

          • Kate8

            Al – I will keep your granddaughter in my prayers as well. Having young (and older) military people in my family, I know the worry.

            As for the gemstones from Afganistan, they have some of the finest lapis lazuli I’ve ever seen. Aquamarine also. There are many others, too, but those stand out to me.

            I knew many Afgani rock dealers who came to Quartzsite. Some were part of family owned mines.

          • libertytrain

            Al, me too, I’m a mom of Army kids as well so my thoughts are with you and I do understand how you must feel.

      • Michael J.

        Time,
        The efforts of domestic terrorist turned community organizer Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn with help from Code Pink has been so sucessful in Egypt that they will now focus on inciting Muslims and probably Mexicans in this country to bring about the chaos and anarchy they need to bring down the government, which will open the gates for The United Nations and the New World Order they drool over.

      • http://google joseph yechout

        Did you see the feb. 14th Glenn Beck program where he says Julian Assange revealed that our gov. has been working with radical groups
        in the middle east to help foment the exact result that has come about
        the last month and this. Wiht Bill Ayers and his wife aiding.Bernadine Dhorn was known to be involved with the aid flotilla that tried to break through the blockade to the Gaza strip. All in bed with our ” progressive” government. This was revealed in 2008, before Obummer gained acendency. courtesy of our uneducated populace.

        • TIME

          Joe,
          Many of us have been saying all of this long before Glenn even was taling about it. Now don’t get me wrong I really like Glenn, he is a good dude. But really what do you all need to wake up.

          What will it take, someone please just tell me, I have tried caustic, I have tried humor, I have tried just saying what the hell is going on. I just don’t get it.

          I have been telling people now for over 10 years that 2011-2017 were going to be hell on earth and its now unfolding like a blanket on the beach, each day it just becomes more clear and more obvious.

          Do you all want to be slave to the state?

          Do you all want to live in camps and be worked to death?

          Do you all really believe that this will not effect you in same way shape or form? How can anyone think that?

          • karolyn

            Because we don’t view things with your eyes, Time.

          • JC

            Mostly people don’t get it because they simply can’t comprehend it. It’s all just too horrific for them. So they wrap themselves in platitudes and ignore the freight train coming at them.

          • Al Sieber

            Well TIME, some people still think Obama is the savior, it’s not a matter of viewing things through your eyes, it’s a matter of being aware and waking up. you can’t keep printing up money, and raising the debt ceiling, and promising to create jobs….

          • http://keylawk.blogspot.com Tom Key

            TIME – repeating inflammatory allegations does not turn them into facts. You are either gulled into a precious belief that all are in “conspiracy” against you, or you are an ideologic pawn of the oligarchy who I hope is paying you well for the time you devote to tearing this country down.

            The thing you miss is that “government” is not problem. It is only a problem if it is run by oligarchs or tyrants. When it is run by leaders elected in fair elections (not stolen by a single vote of the Supreme Court), it is OUR government. This is the Lockean Madisonian structure of the United States, and it is struggling but thriving today. And yes, it is progressive, and will always enrage the oligarchs who have recently become extraordinarily rich.

            Previous generations of Americans never had to deal with this huge division between the super-rich oligarchs and the yeoman middle class.

            Your daily efforts to foment division are intended to make citizens hostile to “government”. But WE are the government. Your attack is senseless.

      • Dan az

        This is just one of the people behind all of this.Like they say follow the money.
        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=263533

    • eddie47d

      It is important whether the pro-Islamists win over Democracy or any other demands for freedom. These Islamists are also moving in to fill the void left by the national leaders who have stepped down.The pro-Democracy demonstrators better get their act together before the Muslim religion takes total control of the coming changes. If that happens then they may wish for a return of the “old guard”. These Islamists prove time and time again that a country can’t be governed by religious extremists. Freedoms are lost just as fast as under communism. Egypt seems more hopeful with the coming September elections and we must remain cautiously optimistic for them.

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d,
        A day late and a dollar short again Eddie? Conservatives have warned all along that what is taking shape in Egypt is an Iran style Islamic Theocracy. The scary part about your lack of foresight, is that your type is running The White House right now.

        • eddie47d

          Michael; Did you expect Egypt to become Christian or maybe you are the one coming up a dollar short.Who’s your favorite dictator over there in the Middle East? You seem to prop up so many of them it is hard to tell. Are the Saudi’s or Yemenis just useful idiots to you. Use them until there are no ports for our ships or oil to buy. Then dump them and watch chaos rein supreme. That is the real picture developing over there and we didn’t have enough sense to guide these nations in the right direction. We let Mubarak rake in billions of our tax dollars and only their elites benefited.We take (buy) from the Saudi’s and they still suppress their people. We give tax dollars to Yemen and they now have the largest al Qaeda base. Is our money being put to good use or is it going down a rat hole? Are we buying time or growing Democracies? I think you know the answer to that. The Saudi kings aren’t going to give up their power and their oil will not last forever. It is what will come afterwords that should worry you. We should have been more careful in who our friends are because once they loose power it will be too late to develop a Democracy and especially a true Republic.

      • Vigilant

        “eddie,

        The pro-Democracy demonstrators better get their act together before the Muslim religion takes total control of the coming changes.”

        If you really believe a democratic form of government is even possible in Egypt, then I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you.

        The key to it all is the Army. Notwithstanding all the frilly and naiive Administration comments about democracy, there can be only one possibility in Egypt: strong arm rule. Whether that comes about via Army orchestration or Islamic regime remains to be seen.

      • eddie47d

        The Democracy movement in Egypt wants complete Internet access which Mubarak shut down and even censored before his downfall. The majority of Egypts population is Muslim so they are bound to continue to have Islamic influence

  • Denise

    I seen nothing in the video except a group of misguided people that think Islam should conquer the world. Unfortunate for America is the fact our president has helped usher in the Muslim Brotherhood, as have previous presidents set the stage for One World Order or the beginning of WWIII.

    • Raggs

      Denise… your right.
      Most gullible people are trying to say that this is about freedom… It’s not…They want Israel destroyed plain and simple and that will be the cause for armageddon.

    • Cawmun Cents

      What is unfortunate for America is that history repeats itself.Do you remember the Alamo?America is the Alamo to the worlds Santa Ana.Once we are gone then the aspirations of Islam can be achieved.This id total war onthe horizon folks.You are seeing the first shot across the bow.

      • eddie47d

        Israel has little to do with these new revolts.If it did you would have seen signs or slogans depicting that. Who says we have to go to war as per the Alamo reference.Haven’t you learned anything about our meddling in Middle Eastern affairs. We can only encourage strong stable governments not help to suppress it’s people.

        • ValDM

          eddie,
          israel has everyhting to do with this. Unless the Muslims can force their way on every country that surrounds Israel, they can’t defeat Israel, which is their sworn duty. Do still not know the Islamist program???

          • eddie47d

            Valdm ; They are Not demonstrating to overthrow Israel but demanding rights for themselves. Big difference! I agree they should have had a leader or group of leaders in place before the protests. Now it will be harder for them (the protesters) to fill the vacuum.

          • JC

            eddie whether its a true people revolt or not, the Muslim Brotherhood is going to be creating a politcal party out of this mess. You know, them good ol boys who want all of us infidels dead…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            It was even on the alphabets today that the muslim brotherhood would tear up the treaty with Isriael if they get into power!! Don’t be so naieve!!

          • eddie47d

            If they get into power and right now they only represent 30% of the population. They didn’t even attend the first week of protests and didn’t even know how to react to these demonstrations.

        • Michael J.
          • eddie47d

            That was a bunch of one sided swill with Glenn Beck on top of the heap! I think you inserted foot with smelly sock still attached. Yes it is time for Mubarak to go. What part of that don’t you understand? We can’t keep supporting the likes of Mubarak or the President of Yemen. We didn’t encourage them to make the changes while they were in power and now we are paying the price. People get mad and they say enough is enough. Alot of things could happen in the Middle East but that is mostly their decision.Reagan,Bushes,Clinton and Obama should have been more prepared. This has been a long time coming so don’t try and pin it on one person or event for there are many.

          • JC

            Didn’t encourage them to make changes eddie? You’re kidding right?
            We’ve been subsidizing them sinse day one.

          • Dan az

            Eddie
            Egypt is the choke hold for the middle east if it falls then so does Israel.The problem there is that it will be nuclear they will have know other choice.With ten thousand missiles pointed at them from Iran and now Egypt just a stones through away they will launch their nukes in last resort to finish the battle that has been foreseen for centuries.It will move to our soil know doubt about it and it will go on for years because we back Israel.Get the picture?

          • eddie47d

            Who says Egypt even wants Nukes. Israel has them so why didn’t Egypt demand them for themselves all these years we’ve been financing them. I really think you want war because you are pushing all the buttons. I’m not so easily persuaded by fear like you are.

          • Pete

            You need to technologically develop a quantum level device that will stop a nuclear/atomic reaction ….

            An anti-nuke device…

            Or we can have the Air Force drop knock-out gas on the Egyptian population, then confiscate all their weapons before they wake up ….

        • Cawmun Cents

          Truth is eddie,that you do see those signs if you go to the right places to look.There is no grey area in the hatred between Islam and Israel.You see one was set to inherit the promise and the other one inherited it instead.Then a “prophet’ came along and declared the people who were cheated should wipe out the ones that gained the inheritance.The story is thousands of years old but a couple of billion people are involved in one way or another.You can deny the legitimacy of the story but you cannot deny the results of its content.The results are that one group feels entitled and one feels cheated.Which is which depends on who you talk to.But the argument is at least thousands of years old with the latest part being made nearly 1500 years ago.That is an old feud my friends and we are but the latest of the folks who have been caught up in it.It is eventually bound to come to a head.Probably sooner than you would like to think.With world-wide disasterous results.This has been a tale of which the end has yet to be told and right or wrong established.There will be no room for the wishy-washy-way of those who disbelieve it entirely.IT WILL BE US OR THEM.Simply put.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          eddie47d… You couldn’t be more wrong. Israel has everything to do with what happens all over the world. If we don’t defend Israel, our country is toast. The Muslims deny the holocaust and hate all the Israelites. They want Israel’s land, but they can’t have it because God gave it to Israel.

          • eddie47d

            Now listen closely Robin. The demonstrations in Egypt,Tunisia,Yemen or even Iran has Nothing to do with Israel in the current situation. You are confusing the issue. Please show me in the last two weeks where these protesters have shown any animosity towards Israel and are making Israel an issue. Please,no made up fear mongering from the likes of Glenn Beck. I support Israel and you support Israel and some Arab nations don’t like them. Stick to the facts on who is really saying what.

          • JC

            I’m not sure when God gave it to them…but in the 40′s and 50′s they killed more than a few people to get it.

          • Al Sieber

            JC, I’m with you on this, the bible meant the Jews of thousands of years ago, and God meant in the spiritual sense about Israel and rebuilding the temple, which is in us, and all around us, not in stone buildings.

          • Pete

            Theology ? You all are using Theology to decide the fate of the USA (and Israel) HA HA HA HA !!!!

            Well I think you all have missed the point ! Theologically speaking the human race was divided up into nations at BABEL.

            Each “nation” has an ARCHON who runs that nation. The Archon is presumed in most cases to be a son of God – or as you English speaking people put it a “fallen angel” or “devil” …

            QED thus the President of the USA reports to an Archon. The Archon makes the decisions – so Obama is reporting to a fallen angel ? How interesting …

            Theologically speaking Israel’s Archon is the archangel Michael. Michael reports to THE BENE ELOHIM (GOD the SON) or as you people say his name is “Jesus” ….

            The other 70 or so Archons don’t like Israel because it’s owned by God …. it’s God’ land (all the way to the Euphrates). God’s nation on Earth.

            YOUR LEADERS KNOW THIS AS DOES THEIR RESPECTIVE ARCHON …

            In the end the Son of God will defend the land and his people Israel …

            If the Palestinian and Islamic leaders, who report to their respective Archons, do not move their subjects out of Israel then ….
            you see what is happening ….

            God has given the Archons plenty of time to relocate their people from Israel. God’s promise to Jacob descendants this land …

            So their you go you theologically challenged “Christians” …

            Obama declared “We are not a CHristian nation ” during his inauguration. So our “Archon” is pressing more control and YOU are losing your freedoms …

          • Pete

            But I’m not going to lose my freedom because of some crazy Archon !

            I propose to you the Technology Solution – Stop debating and develop, implement your own Technology … Pick up that math book ! Study that book on Quantum Electrodynamics (after you learn Calculus).

            Build them Buck Roger Death Ray Guns and hide em under your bed ! You need your “Ray Gun” or “Phaser” to defeat bullets, missiles and bombs ….

  • s c

    As long as we’re stuck with someone who is anything but bright when it comes to Islam, it would be immoral for us to endure his myopic utopia. The Muslim Brotherhood, it seems, is just a group of friendly types who are cut from the same cloth as Hitler’s brownshirts.
    By the way, did anyone forget that Muslims supported HITLER in WWII? Definitely birds of a feather.
    Let Obama explain his peculiar brand of insanity. But, also let him resign. Then, he could claim that he’s not using the White House to preach his version of religious and secular “truth.” And, he could show America how he claims to blend Christianity with Islam while he loves one and hates the other. I smell a novel AND a movie, people. And, I smell something else, too.

    • Al Sieber

      s c, you are correct about the Muslims, Hitler, and WW11, also some Muslim countries were allies with Germany during WW1.

    • Michael J.

      sc,
      Yes, a movie should be made. Remember a movie named “The Gods Must Be Crazy”? It starred a South African Bushman who was the spitten image of Obama. I’d say it’s time for a remake, this time starring Obama playing himself. The title should be something like, “The Rothchild’s Must Be Crazy”! The story of a Kenyan Bushman who was bonked on the head by a coke bottle from out of the blue, as an initiation into the most powerful job on the planet by the grand wizard himself from the house of Rothchild.

      • bob wire

        That was one funny movie! I still laugh at the Rhino that like to stomp out their camp fires. LOL!

        “Quest for Fire” was equally as funny. ~ A small half naked group of early men, armed with spears and bone knives standing on a ridge and looking down a herd of thousand huge woolly mammoths as they graze, start to salivate while slobber pours profusely from their mouths with anticipation of dinner!

        That’s just too rich! Man ! now that’s hungry!

    • eddie47d

      The Middle East was also manipulated by the Turks,the British and even the USA.It’s time they made their own decisions at least until they “invade” Kuwait.

      • Vigilant

        It’s precisely that Pollyanna view that democracy can take root in the Middle East that separates the liberals from the real world conservatives.

        eddie, you can’t be serious!

        • karolyn

          Noooooooo, nothing will ever change. That’s precisely the attitude that keeps things from changing!

          • Vigilant

            The American Revolution has been one of the exceptionally few revolutions that changed to a better form of government. Wishing for change to occur and thinking that it might actually happen are two different things, karolyn.

            EVERYONE hopes it results in an improvement, only the left refuses to study history. The chances of a better form of government are next to none. This may come as a big shock to you, but Middle Eastern Muslims don’t have the same mindset as we do.

          • eddie47d

            So Vigilant you believe that we are so wealthy that we can spend trillions of dollars in the Middle East and always come out with the same results. More dictators,more chaos,more poverty,more torture and abuse by these governments.If we can’t change the way their governments think then what good is all that money we are giving to them? If the lives of their people remain the same then conservatives must be doing something wrong. Why isn’t that an issue with conservatives instead of making it a liberal vs conservative issue? Carter and Sadat made a fairly good treaty and B Clinton came very close to a peace deal with the Palestinians. Republicans have only thrown war at us to solve the problems. So who is really doing the most in that region. We could sit here all night and bellyache about could of should of and play the blame game so what is your solutions?

          • Karolyn

            Vigilant – We may be more alike than you think. After all, we are all human beings and have the same basic needs.

        • bob wire

          But Karolyn! You and I are at a great disadvantage having only one head.

  • Bruce D.

    If the Muslim Brotherhood gains power the movement will be anything but a movement about freedom. It is a shame Mubarak had to steal the country blind. You would think an agricultural program would have been put in place during his 30 year realm to make sure his people had enough food to eat. He is 84 years old. What is he going to do with 70 billion dollars. Most thought Arafat was bad dying with $150 million of stolen money in the bank. Evidently Arafat was just a piker.

  • Raggs

    I don’t believe much in soothsayers but 2012 predictions look more real everyday… The muslims believe allah will come back in that year, I wonder if they are trying to make things happen?

    • 45caliber

      Of course they are.

      Raggs, you asked about Arkansas some time back. My family moved into the Ozark Mountains there about 1820 or so. Definately hillbillies. I was the first in my family to get a college degree and about the fifth to get a high school diploma. They still had some fueding going on as I was growing up. Nice place and the people are friendly and willing to help out anyone as long as it isn’t demanded of them. I left for Texas about 1981 due to lack of jobs there and high taxes, thanks to Clinton. I prefer the mountains but the taxes are still far too high.

      • Raggs

        OH I see… I grew up in Arkansas and I still live there, but I work out of state for the same reason that you left. NO JOBS….

    • Carlucci

      I lived in the middle east (Saudi Arabia) for a few years.

      The muslims don’t believe that “Allah” is coming back. They believe that Jesus is coming back. It is in the Koran (or Q’uran.) Ask any muslim what is going to happen at the end of the world and they will tell you that Jesus is coming back.

  • Cliffystones

    Hell, you have to jump start their hearts before you can wake them up. 9/11 for many Americans, was just an excuse to fly a flag on their cars for a few weeks. Then roll over and back to nightie-night.

    How about that San Diego port security official yesterday? Admitted on video to WMDs having been found already, then looked like a deer in headlights when he realized he’d let it slip.

    I actually felt bad for the guy. He’s probably never going to have a constipation problem again though :).

    • DaveH

      Why would they keep that quiet when it could only bolster their drive to ignore the Constitution and enslave us all to Big Government?
      Wake up. We are being manipulated.

      • Cliffystones

        You’re probably right Dave. But the news footage was funny. This guy obviously had experienced something he wanted to talk about. Then realized that “oops” maybe I shouldn’t have.

      • 45caliber

        They keep it quiet for the same reasons they keep other things quiet. They don’t want to stir up the masses and get them started wanting a new and better government.

      • DaveH

        Here is another example.
        Coincidental, isn’t it, that such reports are coming at the same time as the renewel votes for the Patriot Act?
        http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/zawahiri-weapons-mass-destruction/2011/02/14/id/386055?s=al&promo_code=BAC8-1

        • DaveH

          As Ben Franklin cautioned — we are trading Freedom for the illusion of Security.

        • DaveH

          One thing that is More Than “100% certain” is that the leaders will gladly spend all of our money and take all of our Freedom if we sit idly by and let them.

  • bob wire

    Who’s to say, what happens next? It’s delicate and much hangs in the balance. One thing is for sure, it’s not our train to rob.

    I hold to my faith and believe the Egyptian people have the desire and tools to create a new government, one to their choosing.

    Will there be problems and train robbers? of course, that is a certainty.

    As long as the eye of the world can continue to look on, I am not afraid.

    Citizens taken the responsibility for the government that leads and represents them is a good thing to see happening in any part of the world.

    If Iraqis and the Afghan people had such courage it’d be a different world we live in today.

    • Michael J.

      bob wire says:

      “Citizens taken the responsibility for the government that leads and represents them is a good thing to see happening in any part of the world”.

      Naive gobbledy-gook, The Iranians wanted Democracy also, but look what they got! And there will be no peace in the coming Islamic Caliphate whose main goals are death to Isreal, death to America and world domination.

      • bob wire

        naive ? well you can call it that if you wish.

        I prefer calling it , allowing the impossible to happen! Don’t limit people and their possibilities of destiny with your own visions.

        The eye of the world and the “being aware” makes a lot of difference in such matters. It diminishes the power and affect of guns and bullets.

        You must not enjoy the game of poker? In all it’s many variations, it’s a wonderful game.

        My preference is “Red A$$” aka “Three Toed Pete”, ~ In this particular game, a weak hand can ride the coat tails of the winning hand and be found in a comfortable position.

        Until the last card is dealt many possibilities remain open.

        To enjoy such a game, requires a certain amount of un-attachment and nerves of steel.

        This shouldn’t be too hard to ask of someone thousands of miles away and your head not being on the chopping block.

        Unless of course, you’ve been following Glenn Beck of late. The man is having a ball with recent current events and laying his “stuff” on thick and heavy. I know Rupert must be proud!

        • Michael J.

          bob wire,
          Donald Trump didn’t make it to where he’s at by practicing wishful thinking as a life strategy, But if you insist on this pre-hospice detour, I suggest as a means of proving it’s futility to yourself, try wishing in one hand while defocating in the other and see which hand fills up first.

          • bob wire

            You speak like a man that is fighting for control which basically tells everyone that you haven’t got it.

            It’s not your train to rob big boy, so what’s with all the excitement? Have you been listening to someone that’s filled your head with ideas?

            Permit things to develop, allow people to do what they feel is in their best interest. (like you have no choice in the matter)

            This man you speak of, ~ Trump?, ~ is to be envied and admired? Do you wish the world was full of Donald Trumps? Or ~ is it only his dragons hoard that you admire? Do you know the cost he paid for some a large hoard? If you did , would your admiration remain the same?

            I’m only digging since you called me naive. So which one of us is truly naive? I harbor no overriding “wish” as you seem to suggest but the wish seems to be more “yours”

            Michael~ it’s okay, to not be in control.

    • karolyn

      Thank you , Bob! All these “talking heads” with all the answers and all the prophecies! Wow! I choose to spread any good news I hear rather than perpetuating all the negative vibes. I could give a crap what these people here have to say about me (and I’m sure they will say I’m naive, blah, blah, blah.), I’m comfortable with my world view that is shared by many more than they would think.

      It was and is great to see the Egyptian people having their day. They see a light at the end of their tunnel. Every interview I saw with the public stressed their need for freedom in all ways, including religion. It would be even more great if the Iraqis could get their momentum going and really make waves too, although that’s a lot to ask.

      Power to the people!

      • Vigilant

        karolyn says, “I’m comfortable with my world view that is shared by many more than they would think.”

        It’s precisely that world view that gave Hitler the benefit of the doubt in Munich (1938), that believed the N. Koreans’ promises to discontinue their nuclear program, and that cheered Fidel Castro’s takeover of Cuba.

        karolyn, history has something to tell us. The state of world affairs is not in a revisionist historian’s textbook, it’s what really happens every day and is ignored by the Pollyannas.

        Your check’s in the mail.

        • karolyn

          Well, you know what? If more people converted to my view, and especially if women ruled the world, there would be no war period! It’s precisely because of the negativity spread in the world via the collective consciousness that war, poverty, greed, hate, etc. exist! Ya gotta start somewhere.

          • Vigilant

            Well, you know what? If more people converted to my view, and especially if women ruled the world, there would be no war period! It’s precisely because of the negativity spread in the world via the collective consciousness that war, poverty, greed, hate, etc. exist! Ya gotta start somewhere.

            karolyn, your lofty ideals are great, and I would not think to argue against your basic premise. I would seriously like to see women take over the ruling of the world, for the same reasons as you, but I fear we would get the likes of Hillary Clinton and Golda Meir, tough old no-nonsense birds whose viewpoints were/are more testosterone-motivated than most men.

            Once again, I don’t contest your idealism, in fact I admire it, but in my 64 years on earth I have yet to see few democratic movements make it to fruition, and in the Middle East, none but Israel.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry, that first paragraph was supposed to be in quotes.

          • 45caliber

            karolyn:

            Your ideas are good except for one thing. If even one person is not trained the same way and does not believe the same way, the rest of you would soon end up as slaves or little more. And somewhere there is that one person in today’s world …

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Me thinks you forget someone by the name of Golda!!!! She ruled a country and there were wars just the same!!!!

          • Kate8

            karolyn – The problem with your world view is that is actually based on fear, whether or not you admit it. You are terrified of what is going on in the world, so you deny it and refuse to look, thinking that will make it not be real.

            When you do this, you leave yourself wide open to being deceived by those who prey on your ignorance. You believe them when they tell you they only want to ‘help’. Your infatuation with Obama is proof of this.

            A person of spiritual courage will seek the truth no matter what, and face his greatest fear square in the face. Once you do that, once you learn all you can, you realize that the monster at the door is really not that big at all. You start to reclaim your power.

            Avoiding scary things only shows that you are in denial of your fear. Fear is conquered by facing it, not by running from it. It’ like being controlled by some early trauma that is triggered by certain people or events, so you avoid those things, thinking that will fix it. But it lies in wait of the next trigger, which is sure to come no matter what. So the only real way to heal is to go, with loving intention, through the terrifying ordeal of facing it and feeling it. It dissolves in the light of understanding, and you are free.

            These wicked beings wreaking havoc on the Earth are the manifestation of our collective Earth traumas. Just as it is with us, the only way to heal the collective humanity is to face it, expose it and, with loving intention, shine Light into it. Just like on a personal level, it will dissolve in the Light, and we will be free to choose better.
            Hopefully, we will.

          • karolyn

            Food for thought, Kate. Thanks. However, I am not infatuated with Obama. I just do not place him on a level with the so-called Devil and do not believe he is an anti-American Muslim.

          • JC

            Really Karolyn…you don’t think the Hillary’s of the world would kill to achieve their agenda? Think again…

          • AMJ

            I don’t think women should rule the world. I’ve never seen more back-biting/stabbing between people as there are in women. Women need to be able to concern themselves with their families, and making their homes a “heaven” for their families to live in. As we make our homes better, we make our communities better, we make our state better, we make our nation better, we make our world better. There is a wonderful place for women in the world, it’s in the heart of her home.

        • eddie47d

          Vigilant; So the left is full of Pollyanna’s? On occasions yes. How about the right? Do they turn a blind eye and allow things to occur because it is more convenient than confronting the problem until it is too late. How did Somoza stay in power so long (50 years)? He was a benefactor of our government’s largeness.How about the 300,000 who were killed by the Guatemalan Generals who benefited by our arms deals? Maybe we could include those Argentina Generals who in the 80′s caused the disappearance of 30,000 civilians. Nothing like a little torture and abuse to shove under the rug and then still end up giving them aide. How did Reagan’s partnership with Saddam work out? Not well at all for the Middle East.That only escalated the turmoil. Both the left and right have their embarrassing moments and it is hard to undo the damage.In the Middle East the people are powerless because too many nations have tried to conquer them. They look at everybody as exploiters so they hang on to the old ways. You could be right that Egypt won’t change. They truly want that change this time but no one to lead. The world is full of hopes and desires but don’t have our Founding Fathers in place to make it real. Our interfering could do more harm than good in places like Egypt and that doesn’t make one a pollyanna.

          • Vigilant

            What makes one a Pollyanna is an expectation that Egypt will turn to a democratic form of government. Over 80% of Muslims surveyed in Egypt a year ago advocated the imposition of Sharia Law.

            Among highlights from the Pew poll:

            . 49% of Egyptians say Islam plays only a “small role” in public affairs under President Hosni Mubarak, while 95% prefer the religion play a “large role in politics.”
            . 84% favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim faith.
            . 82% support stoning adulterers.
            . 77% think thieves should have their hands cut off.
            . 54% support a law segregating women from men in the workplace.
            . 54% believe suicide bombings that kill civilians can be justified.
            . Nearly half support the terrorist group Hamas.
            . 30% have a favorable opinion of Hezbollah.
            . 20% maintain positive views of al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.
            . 82% of Egyptians dislike the U.S. – the highest unfavorable rating among the 18 Muslim nations Pew surveyed.

            In short, do you and karolyn still want to say, “they are like us?”

      • Al Sieber

        karolyn, the light at the end of the tunnel is a on coming train.

        • Al Sieber

          And the media is bought and paid for by the elite.

          • eddie47d

            That must be Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for they are the highest paid News entertainers out there.

          • JC

            Sure eddie, it’s beck and Limbaugh…right…

            Maybe you are capable of thinking BIGGER.
            Then again maybe not…

            In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press. … They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.
            ~ Oscar Callaway

            The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media
            ~ William Colby

            The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.
            ~ Albert Einstein

            “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”
            “It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
            ~ David Rockefeller (at a Bilderberger Meeting)

          • bob wire

            “The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
            ~ David Rockefeller (at a Bilderberger Meeting)

            Interesting words, thanks

    • Vigilant

      bob wire says, “I hold to my faith and believe the Egyptian people have the desire and tools to create a new government, one to their choosing.”

      You mean like the Palestinians voting in the terrorist organization Hamas?

      Bob, I’d bet a year’s worth of retirement checks you won’t see democracy in Egypt, ever.

      • bob wire

        “You mean like the Palestinians voting in the terrorist organization Hamas?”

        I mean exactly like that. IF! it represents the sentiments of the people.

        I know that, that election came as a disappointment to the WEST, ~ but that’s all part of the democratic process Vigilant. Everyone will not approve of any one results. ~ They have been given the “TOOLS” to shape and form government in a peaceful manner.

        This notion is much like Henry Fords, color selection of automobiles, you can have any color as long as it’s black ~ is no way to look at other people government.

        Freedom is just an idea and means different things to different people. These nations must work inside some “known” context of freedom.

        It’s up to brand X to promote brand X. What is the features and benefits offered by brand X as opposed to brand Z?

        It’s up to these people to figure out and no some outsiders.

        • Vigilant

          “You mean like the Palestinians voting in the terrorist organization Hamas?”

          “I mean exactly like that. IF! it represents the sentiments of the people.”

          Tell me what it says about the sentiments of the people who have been brought up from the time they were out of diapers to HATE, HATE, HATE the Israelis. You may call that free choice, I don’t.

          You might also consider, just consider, that the election of Hamas has done nothing but bring more pain and misery upon its people. They always say, in a case of free elections, you get what you deserve. I’m not very confident that the Paestinian people deserve Hamas.

          • Karolyn

            Vig (may I call you Vig?) haven’t the Israelis been brought up to HATE, HATE, HATE the Muslims? Their hatred goes back a long ways.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – I read a book by Brigette Gabriel, who lived in Lebanon when the Muslims took over. The book is called “Because They Hate”.

            Her family was Christian, and they welcomed the Muslims as part of their country, until the Muslims gained enough numbers and set about slaughtering them. She lived in the basement below their destroyed home for 7 years, hiding from snipers, eating grass and struggling to survive.

            Anyway, all they ever heard of the Israelis was that they were evil, hateful, murderous people, so when her mother needed hospitalization they were terrified to take her to the only available medical help – in Israel.

            She writes that she was shocked to see Israelis compassionately tending to the wounds of Islamic fighters, showing no prejudice, even as the Muslims being treated spat insults at them. It changed her whole outlook on Israel. In fact, she moved there and started a business.

            Great book, by someone who lived through it.

          • bob wire

            “You might also consider, just consider, that the election of Hamas has done nothing but bring more pain and misery upon its people. ”

            well Sir, I’m too bright to be lured into defending Hamas, if that’s what your are attempting to do. But I will defend the process. Do you?

            If these people don’t like it, it for them to change and not us!!!!!!!

            If we don’t like it, we are empowered with other means to affect change.

            I grow weary with this attitude of not wishing to spend money, desiring small government while in the same breath wanting to mend in nation building.

            It can’t be both ways!

          • libertytrain

            Anybody remember Munich in 72? Entebbe in ’76? Those were events that struck me (in an age when we didn’t have instant news on every flea bite taking place) of the continued persecution of these people. And of course there were more, these just stand out in my own memory.

          • Vigilant

            bob wire,

            “I grow weary with this attitude of not wishing to spend money, desiring small government while in the same breath wanting to mend in nation building.”

            I’ve never advocated nation building. It was Clinton’s invention of the concept in the Balkans, and it didn’t work there. What started with Bush’s forays into Iraq and Afghanistan will end up the same way: it will result in abject failure.

        • bob wire

          Point taken, ~ and admit to the motivation and having a vested interest in foreign affairs.

          But this vested interest, is not so empowering or enabling to do what many here seem to want done by direct means.

      • bob wire

        “Bob, I’d bet a year’s worth of retirement checks you won’t see democracy in Egypt, ever.”

        Hmm, well I haven’t applied yet, ~ I suppose I should ~ tell me what a year is worth and maybe I can match you.

        A democracy ~; being an open , free and fair election every 4 to 6 years? How can this be validated as I figure we are talking about 10 grand or there about.

        I’d be willing to vote for any republican of your choice and you a democrat of mine in the 2012 general that such an election does occur within 8 months from this day February 15th 2011.

        How’s that?

  • barbm

    why are we sending money to these countries without telling them how it must be spent? why weren’t we more aware of the hardships the people were enduring? had we made mubarak spend money on creating jobs, maybe they wouldn’t hate us so much. we put these people in power and keep them there while their people starve. i’d hate us too if i were egyptian.

    • DaveH

      More to the point — Why is our Government sending Other Peoples’ Money to those countries for any reason? It is NOT their money to give.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. I saw a list of countries once that showed every country that we give money to each year. EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD EXCEPT TWO WERE ON THE LIST – and the minimum amount we gave even tiny countries was $10 million. Why? Let’s cut all foreign aid except for emergencies such as earthquake relief and save the money.

        • Bert Cundle

          Small percentage goes to the Poor… Most goes to the Strong ones “Thieves”. Has for a long time!

        • DaveH

          Do you remember the Chilean Mine catastrophe, 45? They were aided largely by private companies and charity. People are extremely generous when it comes to helping people that are suffering misfortune through no fault of their own:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Copiap%C3%B3_mining_accident

          • 45caliber

            You are correct. Particularly Americans. But that doesn’t mean we need to give them money when they don’t have a disaster. Actually, I think the US government is giving the money away as bribes to various leaders in other countries – not to help the countries since it isn’t used for that anyway.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          45caliber… I agree. Until we find out where and how the money is needed/being spent, it’s time to cut off the support we give to other countries. Somewhere along the line, they must have come to our government needing funds. It’s time to find out if the funds they asked for and received have actually went to the area in need, or in the pockets of those in charge, like Mubarak. We need to hold these countries responsible for the use of our funds. Enough is enough.

          • 45caliber

            ACtually, most didn’t come to us hunting funds. Our politicians came up with the idea. I can remember one Congressman’s comment after we had pulled out of Vietnam: “We need to normalize relations with Vietnam so we can give them foreign aid. Right now we aren’t giving them anything…”

      • Dick Gazinia

        I agree. With all the suffering and problems here at home, why are we giving so much away to people, many of whom will always hate us for religious reasons. Let them solve there own problems and let us start dealing with our own.

        Our trains, bridges, and roads are antiquated while China builds state of the art mag lev trains with money we gave them in exchange for cheap goods that break quickly or poison our children and pets. It is likely that we will hire the Chinese to build a high speed train in California. What’s with that? We can’t build it ourselves?

        • Bert Cundle

          Politicans give $ to other countries to have them in debt… And get favor… ( Collect all the debt we are owed & We would be way out of debt ourselves!)

          • 45caliber

            When Reagon was in office, he appointed a commission (the Grace Commission) to find out how to get us out of debt. They discovered that we owned trillions of dollars in bonds from foreign countries. ON PAPER, we weren’t broke. So they quit talking about the “national debt” and started talking about the “national deficiet” instead. But I can’t see all those governments willingly buying back their bonds to help us pay off our debts either.

    • Vigilant

      barbm,

      Two points:

      (1) The hubbub over foreign aid is a tempest in a teapot. It gets a lot of press, but it’s miniscule compared to other US expenditures.

      (2) Our funding support to the Egyptian military is perhaps the ONLY thing that has kept the peace, relatively speaking.

      When the Islamist revolution takes place in the Middle East, we are all going to hanker for the days when the evil Shah of Iran and Hosni Mubarak were in power.

      • karolyn

        Wekll, if our funding is so important, don’t you think the military will want to keep it? Despite the fact that the Egyptian military is the biggest business in Egypt, I’m sure they will still want our money, and the military is all-important to the people.

        • Vigilant

          No argument there, karolyn. See, we can agree sometimes. (:-)

          • Karolyn

            Now isn’t that special! (;-)

  • jopa

    The Muslim Brotherhood is a bunch of consevative religious zealots that have no desire to run Egypt.I’m not sure nor is anybody else in the world but the dictatorship was not the answer.Why all the gloom and doom?All we are saying is give peace a chance.HMMM Where have I heard that before?

    • 45caliber

      I sseeeee … as long as there is peace then it doesn’t matter if the leader kills everyone who disagrees with him. It doesn’t matter if he tortures his people or steals from them. As long as they don’t go to war with anyone, he is a great leader. Let me correct that … as long as they don’t go to war with anyone EXCEPT ISRAEL, he is a great leader.

      • Bert Cundle

        Per Capita: How many people in EGYPTs Prisons & Jails, for their CRIMES? Vs. U.S.of A. ?

        • 45caliber

          Why bother to put them in jails (where it costs money to keep them) when you can simply shoot them? A bullet is cheap.

          That is one of the falicies of trying to compare prisoners in our jails and prisoners in other countries.

          • Bert Cundle

            They don’t have 10,000 Laws eather!

    • karolyn

      Well, it was just announced today that the Muslim Brotherhood will create a political party AFTER the elections in Egypt. I have heard so much about them lately from one extreme to the other. What has been heard from them is that they do not want to impose an Islamic state on Egypt and want no violence. The ones who have spoken seem to be very well educated and not at all extremist in their views.

      • 45caliber

        And if you believe that, I have this bridge for sale … Interested? It’s cheap at the price …

        • karolyn

          Well, 45, I guess we’ll all have to just wait and see won’t we?

  • Bert Cundle

    The Rebelion for Democracy…B. S. — This & That Was A Display of MOB RULE!!! Demonstrates What “Democracy” REALY IS!!! So… “Republician”: Must Represent GOVERNMENT in the MASTERS ROLL! THANKS; EGYPT!

  • Bert Cundle

    Any Religion Taking a Roll in “Our” GOVERNMENT is many steps backward into the dark ages! So Stop the Prayers at our Government meetings!!!

    • Dan

      OUR government was founded on the ideals of religious faith. Connection to a higher power is not stepping backward. Also recognize, there is a difference between “praying at meetings” and “religion taking a roll”.

      • Bert Cundle

        From Government meetings & Public Schools NOT A TAKE OVER?

      • Bert Cundle

        OUR Connection to the power of choice — NOT FOR GOVERNMENT TO DIRRECT!!!

      • Bert Cundle

        OUR government was founded on the ideals of religious faith…..
        YOUR… GOVERNMENT; NOT MINE!!!

        • JC

          The government of the United States…period.
          Rant somewhere else would you Bert?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Bert Cundle… Are you crazy? God’s protective hand has been on the United States for a very long time. We are forcing him out of the educational process and every other institute. How much longer do you think He will protect us? If you think you can do it on your own, you are wrong.

      • bob wire

        God is really more of an “It” ~ AND “It” will never leave, in spite of ourselves. Now, where we might be found in good “favor” another matter.

        That depends on us and how solid our understanding and how true we honor such understanding of “God matters”

        Man seems to believe that “God” requires a public relations staff and requires defending.

        This is very comical if you bother to think about it very long.

        • karolyn

          Also, that God is jealous and punishes people. Why would the All Powerful have to be jealous and why punish people for doing the very things they were created with free will to do?

          • Kate8

            karolyn – You misunderstand the teachings, as do many Christians. Some has to do with wording in translations.

            God tells us to put no other Gods before Him, because He is the force of Love and Life itself. To place faith in any part of creation, in anything but God/LOVE, takes us out of the flow of His Perfect Will, and our lives don’t go as well.

            We are “punished” by the consequences of our own error. We can return to LOVE at any time we so choose.

          • bob wire

            “Also, that God is jealous and punishes people.”

            well true, that was found mostly in the old testament before Christ

            and the crowd was much harder to appeal too. LOL

            Spiritual leadership needed a much bigger stick and smaller carrot.

      • Bert Cundle

        The Real GOD… Is Much More than our Perception can be! ( CAN’T be a He / She / it…) Religions failure to Report… ( Except- In the Begining God Created…) ANY & ALL others are Bogus!!! Religions preaching any thing but, are LIERS!!! Your perseption of God as man is Ignorant, with no qualification for Government job!

        • JC

          Not exactly lucid today are you…

      • karolyn

        Do you really believe that “God” is the sole property of the US? It is not because of God that the US has been blessed but because of its people. The US has never been the holiest of holies but has always enjoyed pretty good conditions compared with a lot of the rest of the world. God, for want of a better word, judges not but loves all as extensions of “himself.”

        • Bert Cundle

          We became envied beacuse of our religious “FREEDOMS” of Choice! Not Government inspired or inforced!

        • Kate8

          karolyn – But as long as we believe and function in the illusion of duality, we can choose to align with God or with mammon.

          God has no opposite, because He is LIFE. All things are contained therein, including the duality of manifest existence. It’s not that God loves any one people more than others, because He is LOVE itself.
          It’s US who choose whether to be on HIS side. The more we seek Him and endeavor to follow His Ways (seek Divine Love), the more we are blessed, both individually and as a people.

          God is always there for us. It is up to US to choose HIM.

  • Bert Cundle

    We need to send G.W.Bush to Unite, North & South Africa…Calling him President of Africa… Beacuse He is White, (FIRST WHITE RULER.)

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Bert Cundle… Your comment makes no sense.

      • bob wire

        I think Bert was taking a shot at humor. ~ Needs work Bert! but don’t give up, humor is a good thing.

        • Bert Cundle

          Humor of a sort.

  • Raggs

    The big question is…. Will obama support Israel?… I have my doubts, but…

    • 45caliber

      He would offend too many people. And he isn’t into offending anyone except us.

    • Bert Cundle

      What’s in it for him????

      • Raggs

        Bert… go play with ernie :)

        • Carlucci

          Cute. I love Bert and Ernie – !

  • Bear

    Once again, many, many thoughts and opinions. I once had a problem with fire ants in my yard. I couldn’t believe how fast they spread out and soon I had aunt hills all over my yard. This happened in only one summer. How did I come to the realization that I had a problem? while mowing my lawn, I happened to run over one of their hills. On my next pass with the mower in that area, I was attacked by over 50 of the evil critters and the stings were unbearable. That’s when I realized I had a problem. Did I sell my house and relocate? Hell No! I took a stand and with a fair amount of Diazinon, I managed to take back my yard from these evil doers. So, what’s the difference in my yard and what’s going on in the world, you ask? I see no difference. What’s happening with the Muslim Brotherhood and in fact Islamist all over the world is the same. These people and their very real threat to the rest of the world and our way of life is no different. I personally feel they should be dealt with in the same manner as the fire ants. If we DON’T nuke them before they gain nuclear capability, you can rest assured they will nuke us. Our own F.B.I director has given us a 100% probability of WMD attack in our near future. His only question is how it will come to us. What are we waiting for? Only a stupid person waits for the adversary to throw the first punch. That punch could be the one that lays you out. Is anyone getting my drift?

  • Raggs

    I couldn’t believe how fast they spread out and soon I had aunt hills all over my yard.

    I have a few aunt hills myself… :)
    No but really… How many muslim brotherhoods do you have in your back yard?…. I’m willing to bet that they are all around your aunt hills.

    • Bear

      Raggs,
      Start looking around your back yard, Bro. This implies your city, county and state. They don’t typically advertise that they’re moving in. Like the fire ants, they just do it. I don’t think we should wait until we’re getting stung like the citizens of the U.K. and France as well as other European countries to start taking action to get rid of them. Do you see any Muslims in China or Japan? Ever wonder why? I definitely don’t want to see what’s going on in Egypt, Syria and Tunisia start up here but the Ft. Hood thing is only a warning sign that these people are in our yard and like the fire ants, they WILL be causing us serious problems. Perhaps I should compare them to termites instead of fire ants?

      • Raggs

        Bear.. No the message is there and I see it… I had to make fun of the aunt hill thing.

        All BS aside this country is skrewed…

        • Al Sieber

          Aunt hills? never heard of them, we have ant hills out here in Ariz., fire ants, scorpions don’t bother me, but those damn fire aunts…

  • Raggs

    Germany to buy the NYSE?
    China prehaps?…. The USA has sold out!

    The muslims know that the usa is nothing but a number.

    Knock knock…

  • Raggs

    How many of you know that obama is selling this country out?
    He is selling our country to communist and muslims.

    Why the hell do you think that “his” budget is well over 3 trillion dollars…. He knows damm well that he never had a clue or any intention on how to pay for anything!!!!

    I want one of you to tell me that I’m wrong… Not going to happen…

    • eddie47d

      You’re wrong!

    • Karolyn

      You’re wrong!

      • Kate8

        Raggs – Surely you didn’t expect the Obama cheering section to agree with you.

        However, I do know that you are right.

        • Carlucci

          Raggs is right. I just listened to the Peter Schiff report:

          http://www.europac.net/media/video_blog

          Unless things take a dramatic turn, we are totally screwed…..

          • eddie47d

            ” Wall Street has been screwed because of government regulations”. That is a mighty big pile of poop. It was the lack of regulations which gave Wall Street the bravado to screw the rest of the nation and several foreign countries.They got rich and the economy got shafted. This Schiff guy is a little too shifty for me. That makes Raggs even more on the wrong side.

    • Bert Cundle

      I THINK… That Obumer, and his followers (Supporters) Tried to use O’Bomber as the Black Man that Fixed the Messed up world of the White Man! Only to find that they couldn’t, with simple solutions. Not smart enough or strong enough to do it. With all there power to put a Black Family in the White House, was febal, to Fix the Countries Problems! NOT EVEN THE SON OF GOD… CAN!!!

      • Bert Cundle

        Maby the C.E.O. Of O.P.E.C. Should Dole out $1,000,000.00 to each & Every Citizen over 21 years of age… But We are suppose to be, the Wealthiest Citizens in the world all ready! Distrubation Ballance seams a miss… but That is debateable!

    • Al Sieber

      Raggs you’re right, and China is gonna stop buying our debt.

  • chuckb

    it’s time to start the protest in this country, demand the jack ass in washington and his string pullers step down. this country is headed for a worst disaster than the 1930′s. unemployment over 10% probably higher.
    a president that is destroying our energy supply, gas in our area rising five cents pg per day over $3.50pg at some stations, food prices rising by the hour and barry is flying around the country, costing the tax payers millions to make campaign speech’s. we need to bring our troops home and protect this countries borders. we definitely need to close all our bases in foreign countries and fortify this country.

    we watch as egypt is turning into another islamic state along with all the middle east and this religion is on a world wide spree. so what’s the difference between islam and communism, if we don’t clean up this country now we are going to find out.

    • Bert Cundle

      CLEAN UP THIS COUNTRY… THAT IS A VASTLY OPINIONATED TOPIC!

    • Karolyn

      Start the cleanup with hatemongers and rabble rousers.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Karolyn,

        Don’t foeget the religious nuts.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          I meant forget.

  • bob wire

    Hmm” well I’d start in the kitchen.

  • http://joepallugna.com Property relations in Philippines

    These The Young Turks are sometimes spot on their political comments. They endure as a interesting view. I pray The Young Turks will continue be corageous enough to tell it like it is and oppose the GOP funded Fox Network propaganda.

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