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God Forbid

November 1, 2012 by  

God Forbid
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Mormonism doesn’t work for me. I just wanted to get that straight, right off the bat. I have serious doubts about the timeline of events proffered by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I just can’t swallow the idea that the Son of Man rolled away the rock and then ascended into heaven, only to make a pit stop on the other side of the planet. It’s not that I doubt that Jesus could have dropped in on the loincloth-and-human-sacrifice set; but if He did, His lessons clearly didn’t take — until Hernán Cortés and his Spanish legions reinforced it at the end of a musket. I likewise find the details of golden plates and seer stones pretty dubious.

But here’s the really cool part: I don’t spend time thinking about LDS doctrine, nor do I have to. Mormons are welcome to believe whatever the heck they want; the last time I checked, that’s the American (not to mention Constitutional) way. And I would have guessed that the Democrats would move to the front of line to join me in dismissing attempts to criticize any candidate based on his religious beliefs. After all, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) shares the Mormon faith espoused by Governor Mitt Romney; and I have heard no howls of derision pouring forth from the left regarding Reid donning any “magic underwear,” promoting polygamy or otherwise planning to impose his faith on those of us who prefer the booze to contain actual alcohol.

To be completely honest, with Congressmen like Representative Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), a Muslim, keeping company with Islamofascist-linked hate groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations while the Democrats accuse his detractors of religious bigotry and intolerance, it ought to follow that the LDS church, which has no ties to suicide bombers or their financiers, is free of the fickle finger of fatuousness.

It ought to follow, but it doesn’t. As I perused media and social networking sites, I caught a recurring theme of liberals launching venom at Romney and his faith. From Daily Beast Brit and Obama cheerleader Andrew Sullivan’s statement that “Mitt Romney belonged to a white supremacist church for 31 years of his life” to “Doonesbury” (yes Virginia, it does still exist) cartoonist Garry Trudeau’s crude attacks in a series of comic strips, there was nary a shred of religious acceptance to be found.

That sort of mouth-breathing, ignorant hate represents the worst kind of mindless political assault. And it is hardly isolated. The same Democrats who find Ellison’s pals such fun at a party have no room in their hearts for a guy who thinks of Utah as the Promised Land. The same liberals who cheered the idea of a mosque within AK-47 range of Ground Zero can’t abide the idea of a teetotaler in the Oval Office. The same Obama backers who slander anyone who opposes Obama with the rhetorical brush of racism just can’t imagine a Mormon in the White House.

If the Democrats really do want Americans to look past those matters of faith that separate us, then perhaps Romney’s religion ought not be a sticking point in 2012. There is no shortage of reasons to object to Romney, and he’s eminently preferable to the abominable Obama. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints causes me no great consternation. It’s not as if the Mormon clergy espouse a doctrine of hatred, racism and “God damn America.” Now that would be wrong, wouldn’t it?

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Buster the Anatolian

    Sock it to em Ben.

    • don

      dam ben your He#$%^^& when your well

    • wog1

      Both of you should really do a little study before you spout. But then again some people have have studied their whole lives and can never find it. Much of it depends upon where you choose to look.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Ben Crystal,”

    MORMONISM DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU AND MOST AMERICANS. IF Governor Mitt Romney WAS CHRISTIAN, THE KENYAN COULD LOSE. STRANGE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES ARE NOT PART OF THE AMERICAN MINDSET.

    • George Pistotnik

      @CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTO:
      “STRANGE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES ARE NOT PART OF THE AMERICAN MINDSET” has been part of the American mindset since the beginning. Ask any Jew.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The same label of strange practices can be said of Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Roman Catholicism, the religions of India, and China, the Pacific Islands, Africa, etc.,etc..

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        George: To your list of strange religious practicioners, you can add Native Americans. Jehovah Witnesses, Roman Catholics, and Pentecostal Snake Handlers. The strangest religion practiced in this country is Islam, which is also the most dangerous, and is spreading like a cancer across the globe.

      • OLD MAN

        If all of you are having problems with Romney FOR WHAT EVER REASON just remember this………“IF you FAIL TO VOTE for the lesser evil you *ARE* voting for the Greater Evil!”

      • Kate8

        Forget Romney being Mormon.

        Obama’s MUSLIM.

        Which is scarier?

      • TML

        Kate…. Both, but it all depends on the individual. Generally people pull from the bible what is already within them, and present that interpretation as God’s (Allah’s) word, to justify their own morality (or lack thereof).

        Frankly I find Christian unconditional support of Israel, out mere blind faith, to be every bit as dangerous as the so-called ‘Islamofascist’.

        Christians were responsible for horrible atrocities throughout their history, all in the name of God. The only thing that keeps them in check is the seperation of church and state embedded into the structure of this country…. and even then, we have those who desire to remove such barrier to serve their interpretation of God’s will.

        Left unchecked by such barriers, all religions, or religious people can be just as dangerous as the next.

      • Kate8

        TML – That’s a tired argument, meant only to obfuscate the issue. I don’t care to even address it yet again.

        The facts are that the very idea of personal liberty comes from Judeo/Christianity. Our Constitution was founded on these principles, being mutual respect, honor and moral interaction. That men have distorted these ideas is no doubt, but there is no way better than following the Ten Commandments (Moses) and the Golden Rule (Yeshua). If we followed these ideas, we’d have no reason for war and, in fact, have the promise of a long, prosperous life.

        History suffers from much distortion by those with an agenda, so we don’t know what the full truth and context of events were, or even which events took place and which were fabrications. Aside form that, whenever you have men in charge who desire wealth and power, you get manipulation, killing, plundering and all manner of evil.

        The bottom line is, Islam commands it’s followers to lie, cheat, steal, plunder, enslave and murder the infidel. That means you and me. These mandates are directly opposed to what Christ teaches, which is that the greatest Commandment is to love God with all heart, mind and soul, and the second is to LOVE thy neighbor as thyself.

        And let’s not forget that we are to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

        The issue was Islam vs Christianity.

        Jus’ sayin’.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, FOR CAUCASIANS, ISLAM IS SCARY; BUT, CAUCASIAN CONSERVATIVES VALUE THE “WHOLESOMENESS” OF THE COMPLETE FAMILY-UNIT. HOW CAN CAUCASIAN CONSERVATIVES – OF SOUND JUDGMENT – SUPPORT A PERSON WHOSE VALUE SYSTEM IS MENTALLY-LINKED WITH POLYGAMY?

      • TML

        Kate says, “The facts are that the very idea of personal liberty comes from Judeo/Christianity. Our Constitution was founded on these principles, being mutual respect, honor and moral interaction. That men have distorted these ideas is no doubt, but there is no way better than following the Ten Commandments (Moses) and the Golden Rule (Yeshua).”

        I disagree; the idea of personal liberty doesn’t come from dogmatic scripture of Christianity. The 10 Commandments, and even the Golden Rule, have nothing to do with the Constitution or Bill of Rights. That is a subjective interpretation, not facts.

        “In every country, in every age, the Priest has been hostile to liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson
        “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” – Thomas Jefferson

        “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” – Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli (Sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.)

        Kate says, “If we followed these ideas, we’d have no reason for war and, in fact, have the promise of a long, prosperous life.”

        Naturally, that’s how every ‘religion’ feels. If we were all Christian’s there would be no reason for war. If we were Jews we’d have no reason for war. And if we were all Muslim we’d likewise have no reason for war.

        Kate says, “The bottom line is, Islam commands it’s followers to lie, cheat, steal, plunder, enslave and murder the infidel. That means you and me. These mandates are directly opposed to what Christ teaches, which is that the greatest Commandment is to love God with all heart, mind and soul, and the second is to LOVE thy neighbor as thyself.”

        As I said, it depends on the person and what they pull out of their written doctrine and not so much the doctrine itself which one can rightfully judge another person in their faith. I can absolutely point out where the Bible commands its followers to lie, cheat, steal, plunder, enslave, and even murder the infidel… even your own wife, sons, and daughters if they entice you to serve other gods.

        I can agree with the two commandments of Christian philosophy that you point out, but you must remain confined to New Testament in order for your position to be valid, otherwise whatever is in the Old Testament can be applied to the Christian who uses it. It was the Old Testament used by Christians to justify the inquisitions, for example.

        I know Muslims who are more gracious than many Christians. Islam also has verses that command its followers to treat strangers well, and welcome them in their home, and other agreeable philosophies. But you won’t hear many Christians point those out, much less look for them.

        Thus, I say it is not the doctrine per say… it is the individual who seeks to use it. This applies also to Muslims. What scares people the most about them is that they often have no separation of church and state, and without it, one religious nut is as dangerous as another. That was my point on the issue between Christianity versus Islam. Ask which one is worse, and I will say, it depends on the person.

        Kate says, “And let’s not forget that we are to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.”

        That’s a good philosophy, and I agree with it, but even that philosophy is not part of the founding of this country. We are free to act like inconsiderate jerks if we want to.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – If you have read my recent posts, I have never been a Romney supporter. In fact, I have spoken out in great dismay about having him as, from the Right’s perspective, the “lesser of two evils”.

        For someone to get to the position of presidential nominee, it is obvious that that person is the pick of the elite. We saw what Romney did to Ron Paul and his delegates at the RNC convention.

        No, I do not support Romney. I do not support Obama. I do not support any part of this corrupt system we now have in control.

        Quite the dilemma, no?

      • Kate8

        Sorry, TML, but you are wrong on this. The principals for our governing system was taken directly from the Torah.

        This is why Moses is depicted on the Supreme Courthouse.

        I realize that there has been an agenda to rewrite history, and that is what to which you refer. But it’s bull.

        Go ahead. Read in the Torah where God lays out the system for proper governance. This is precisely the model used by our founders.

      • beacon007

        Religion is man made, Spirituality God given.

        Hi Brother.

        Gord.

      • TML

        Kate,

        I have no agenda to rewrite history; I made direct reference to a document signed by John Adams 1796 and unanimously approved by the Senate which specifically says what I’m claiming.

        I’m afraid a depiction of Moses on the Supreme Courthouse doesn’t prove that principles of our governing system were taken directly from Torah.

        Could you point out the scripture that you refer to? I’ve read the bible front to back five times, along with reference studies, and I’ve never read anything that resembled a Constitutional Republic based on personal liberty within the Torah. In fact, it seemed like a rather despotic monarchy.

        I’m reminded of the story about the man who was stoned to death for gather sticks on the Sabbath, in contrast to the story of Jesus specifically working on the Sabbath to denounce the Pharisees and what he called the traditions of men.

      • Kate8

        TML – This is something I studies many years ago. I assume you know how to do your own research, but hey, I’ll go ahead and get you started.

        http://www.lawandliberty.org/history1.htm

        And this one gives references, chapter and verse.

        http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, IT IS A DILEMMA, INDEED. MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN MY AREA ARE SENIORS; THEREFORE, I EXPECT THE LINES AT MY VOTING SITE [A CHURCH] TO BE LONG DURING MORNING HOURS. WHATEVER TIME I GO, IF THE LINE IS LONG I WILL PROBABLY TURN AROUND; GO HOME AND DRINK SCOTCH WHISKEY.

    • CarolTex

      Well, I guess that means Mitt Romney will win, since he is a Christian – as are all Mormons. Those persons who are ignorant of the beliefs of the LDS Church are the only ones who spread the misinformation about the church’s beliefs. It seems strange to me that those who seem to know the least are the ones who spread the most inaccuracy. I subscribe to the old adage that “It is better to keep your mouth shut, and just be thought Stupid, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

      • Karolyn

        Mormons want people to accept them as Christians, but they are not. And I did have a short period of time studying with Mormons, so I’m not speaking through my hat.

      • TML

        “Mormons want people to accept them as Christians, but they are not.”

        That would depend on ones definition of “Christian”. Mormons adhere to the doctrine of atonement – the forgiving or pardoning of sin through the death of Jesus Christ by crucifixion. I would say that anyone who claims Jesus Christ as their savior in this way, is in fact a ‘Christ’ian.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        Kudos, TML! Very perceptive of you. Yes, the atonement doctrine is a critical component of Christianity, and that is just, one, of the criteria one must adhere to, to be considered a Christian. However, where the Mormons and Christians part ways, is in the person of Jesus. Or more precisely, who is, Jesus? Christians believe that Jesus and God are one and the same; Mormons believe that Jesus is a separate entity/being from God, while Christians believe that God is three persons in 1! Further, they believe that Jesus and Satan were/are brothers; this is pure blasphemy. Sadly, this is just one of the doctrines (critical to Christianity) that disqualifies Mormons from the claim that they are Christians. They are not! I realize that there is much you may question, pertaining to this issue, and my statement, i realize, is somewhat slender and light on information, and much more could/should be added to clarify. But my time is short, and the space required necessary to clarify, voluminous. Cheers!

        • Paul

          Best to go to the source of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Morrmons) at:
          http://www.mormon.org ( – :

      • TML

        Jayson says “Christians believe that Jesus and God are one and the same; Mormons believe that Jesus is a separate entity/being from God, while Christians believe that God is three persons in 1!”

        You’re referring to the doctrine of the Trinity established by the Catholic Church in 451AD. You’re dividing the issue into a question of Christian denominations… specifically a comparison to Mormon and Catholic.

        Jayson says “Further, they believe that Jesus and Satan were/are brothers; this is pure blasphemy.”

        Why should that be blasphemy? Acknowledging “Christ” as a separate entity of God, yet equal to him through ‘His’ grace, isn’t unheard because, as a starting point, the word Christ literally means “anointed”. And in the book of Enoch Jesus is referred to as the Elect one. It also concerns a conflict in the belief that God is one… not three in one, which to some, resembles polytheism. Thus if one accepts those ideas, Jesus, Satan, and even all the other angels, including men are all brothers…. Sons of the same father. Right?

        The commonality, regardless of denominations, has always proven to be atonement. But if we want to apply actual philosophies of Jesus, as requirement for being Christian; can you really say what ‘disqualifies’ one worthy of the label , without forfeiting it yourself?

        “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you… …For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Luke 6:37/38

        Jayson says “But my time is short, and the space required necessary to clarify, voluminous. Cheers!”

        Take your time

      • Gordon

        CarolTex, the number one principle of Christianity is that Jesus Chris IS GOD. Mormons don’t belive that as do some of the other main stream religions. period

    • Fred

      Christopher, with all due respect to you, your statements about The Church of Jesus
      Christ of Latter Day Saint are totally reckless. I am a Mormon and my Church honors
      the name of Jesus Christ by including it in our official name. What is the name of the church you attend? The main message we offer to the world is That God (our heavenly Father) extends his love to all people with a complete Restoration of the Principles and Ordinances of Jesus’ early Church which He established (see Eph. 4 11-14) in the meridian of time. That early Church, which was founded upon Apostles and Prophets
      including the early offices mentioned in Ephesians, was completely lost due to the
      killing of The Apostles over time. Soon the authority which Christ gave to His Apostles
      was lost, ushering in The Great Apostacy otherwise known as The Dark Ages.

      All that was required at that point in history was The Restitution of all things including the
      authority to act in God’s name (The Aaronic and The Melchezedic Priesthood) which
      existed during Christ’s ministry here on the Earth.
      The message that we offer is unique in that it includes the secular and spiritual history
      of the peoples who inhabited the American continents, which is all described in
      The Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ.

      There are many out there unwilling to listen to our message simply because they
      have believed what someone else has told them about STRANGE MORMON DOCTRINE,
      never bothering or having the courage to pray and seek for themselves The Restored Gospel..I suggest that before you leave this frail existence that we call earthlife
      you take a giant leap of faith and at least inquire of a Morman friend or acquaintance
      what we really teach and then if you have further interest, contact one of our Missionararies for further enlightenment.

      P;ease know what you are accepting or rejecting as God has warned us that none of us will be saved in ignorance.

      • Gordon

        Mormons came to the door not long ago, and they admitted that they do NOT believe that Jesus Christ IS GOD.

        • CarolTex

          It begs credulity to say that “Mormons came to the door and admitted that Mormons do not believe Christ is God”. While it is true that Mormons regard God the Father (Elohim) and God the Son (Jesus Christ – the creator of this earth) as two separate beings (but one in purpose, and members of the “Godhead”), they very much accept the divinity of Jesus Christ as the savior of the world. It would be interesting to know (in context) what was actually said by those “two Mormons”. I don’t know whether to believe you are a liar, just have a very low IQ, or whether those “two Mormons” were actually Mormons.

  • http://none Claire

    The hate and bigotry spewed from both parties disgust me. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious. “Vote for my party” is exactly what has created the mess America is in.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So adults having hissy fits will solve the evils of the Two Party System that is happening now. We have reached the ultimate “too little too late” scenario in US history and the Leftists are bold as brass. I am not worried about the Mormon but concerned about the blatent Moslem Marxist O. By the way Islam can accommodate Marxism or Fascism very well.

      • Bill

        Hi Nadzija
        I like your comments. A lot of these comments sound like little children in the school yard. What we have here is a line drawn in the sand, we either move forward towards tyrannical socialism or we go back to our roots of free market capitalism. Romney is not the total answer but at least he is a turn in the right direction.

  • Ter Star

    I am not a Mormon…or Latter Day Saint but I lived in the Salt Lake City area of Utah for over 25 years as my husband was employed there. Though the Mormon church was definitely predominent, I was never uncomfortable with my surroundings nor the people. For the most part, Mormons are the finest I have ever lived amongst when it comes to having all the qualities one would hope for in neighbors. There is not room here to expand upon this statement. A man’s spiritual beliefs should not be open for public dissection, IMO.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Ter star, I whole heartedly agree. I have a younger brother who lives and works in the Salt Lake City Valley. I have been out to see him several times and have found the people there are extremely friendly. They also have a very low crime rate there and people can be found walking down town at any time of the day and night. I also forgot to mention that it is one of the cleanest places i have ever seen.

      • Jerry

        Excellent points…The LDS people attempt to do their very best to “do unto others”…

      • Karolyn

        Jerry – “Don unto others…” as long as their Mormons. I’ve heard too many stories of Mormons not wanting to help non-Mormons, just like Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      • Karolyn

        I want to point out that I don’t care what religion someone is; however, I like to point out inaccuracies when I see them.

      • Jerry

        If you Google the word humanatarian you will see LDS Charities come up on page number one. Because the LDS faith is BIG into helping/assisting others-both member & non members of their faith. This is Governor Romney faith we’re speaking about.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I actually have to agree with you on this to a degree.

        Mormons do not have the same concept of God and Christ that traditional Christianity has. They believe that God is a man who attained deity in his previous life, and that any man who is a Mormon in good standing can attain godship over his own planet after this one.

        Women are not considered to be sovereign, or have souls, and must be married to a Mormon in good standing in order to go into afterlife, and only if her husband chooses to “call her forth”. Unmarried women are married to men “in spirit” so they have a better chance of afterlife.

        They also do not believe in God’s omnipresence, and do not believe He sees all. So if they sin and no one sees them, there is no sin committed at all.

        They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, and they honor Lucifer in their rites. They have many close associations with Freemasons.

        Over the years my late husband and I had many dealings with Mormons, and they never warm up to non-Mormons. We did a lot of business in Idaho, land of Mormons, and you do have to watch them if you are not one of them. We had a close friend who came from a family of high-up Mormons, himself having been an elder in the church. He somehow began to think for himself and could no longer accept their doctrines, so he left, even enduring death threats from his own family for leaving.

        They are not dissimilar to Islam in many ways. In the old days of widespread polygamy, if a woman tried to leave her husband she was hunted down and killed. They have many beliefs and traditions that seem odd to most Christians.

        Here is an interesting video of a secret Mormon ritual. In todays climate of hidden cameras, it’s hard to keep anything a complete secret, even under penalty of death.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM&feature=youtu.be

        • CarolTex

          I don’t know what you’ve been smoking, but it certainly must be powerful. The majority of what you said is patently untrue. Did you have a bad dream, or something?

      • Kate8

        CarolTex – Most of what I’ve learned has come directly from Mormons, or my studies of Mormonism.

        I grew up with Mormons, and I have known many of them. The one I referred to above, who had been an Elder, told us lots of things, too.

        Do you know that many Mormons, like those of other religions, don’t even really know what their church doctrine says?

        The study of religions and philosphies has been a lifelong pursuit. Do your own research. I speak the truth as I understand it.

        • CarolTex

          Kate8…….I don’t happen to buy into your understanding of Mormon beliefs. While there certainly are “Mormons” who don’t really know all about their church’s teachings (as is true with all denominations), it clearly is not because they weren’t provided with the opportunity to learn. Members are taught in Sunday School, Sacrament Meeting, young people’s classes, and numerous other venues, about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If members don’t avail themselves of the opportunity to learn, then the fault doesn’t lie with the Mormon Church. Rather it lies with either laziness or indifference to learning. There certainly are what is known as “Jack-Mormons”,(which are Mormons in name only), but that doesn’t make them representative of the Church or its teachings. It would be interesting to know where you got your so-called “knowledge or understanding” of the Mormon Church’s beliefs. I would venture a guess that it wasn’t from reliable or unbaised sources.

    • al k

      Apparently most people are not aware that all of our presidents are one of the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati, the muslim they installed to occupy the oval office is scary too, since the muslims are taking over the world, the mormons are not our salvation, but to put an illegal muslim in to run our country is almost unthinkable, our only hope is prayer, but not to allay or the mormon god who was born a man and exalted himself into godhood, like satin said he would do, while I can’t vote for either party, I did vote for one of the others, and suggest you all lay aside your party and pray and vote your conscience, at least you will do something instead of just complaining.

      • Chris Kendell

        You open you mouth and remove all doubt. Where do you get this Mormon God crap? The LDS God is the same one of the KJV Bible, Jesus Christ and his father Jehovah.

        • RichE

          Chris,
          LDS and Muslims don’t believe in the KJV Trinity so how can the Gods be the same?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        Good question, RichE! Well done…

      • Fred

        I am a Mormon and my God is our Heavenly Father who was exalted to His station long
        before either of us were born.Heavenly Father appointed Jesus Christ to create the Earth
        and offered the people an opportunity to learn of Him and then follow Him. Christ himself
        told the people BE YE THEREFORE PERFECT EVEN AS Your Father in Heaven leading
        a thinking praying person to the conclusion that when He says ALL I HAVE I WILL GIVE
        UNTO YOU, IS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
        There is nothing spooky about that only a statement that great success and joy are in
        store for those who learn his complete Word and then follow it by Living His Commandments.
        On the other hand we know that since Satan rejected The Plan of Salvation in The pre existence, he rebelled and was expelled from the presence of God. We consider him
        the enemy of freedom whose main purpose is to prevent God’s children from finding their
        way back to God (Heavenly Father) LDS have no use for him only to be aware of his
        potential influence through cunning a nd deceit.
        Pleaseget your facts straight. LDS are proud of Jesus Christ. Our Church is named after Him. Is yours? By saying that I am not a Christian makes you look ignorant and unwilling to face
        facts. Suppose Mormons follow more teachings of Jesus Christ than other Christian sects.
        Do you think that God will be happy with you if you poision someone else’s mind
        with false statements. Get a grip, contact a Mormon friend and make arrangement to find out what we believe and teach and how it supports The Holy Bible.

        Then decide who a Christian.

        To others out there whose minds are more flexible and open you can tell that I get
        real peeved with people who claim to know the truth about my Church,
        and so I must admit that I must sound off.. I am The Ward Mission Leader in my
        Ward (local congregation) and I have a duty to correct false statements.

        Thanks for bearing with me and may God bless all of us.

  • http://none Michael Westrich

    It is a sad day that our choices are plutocrat Romney and socialist Obama. Both profiting from corrupt campaign donors and continuing to push the federal Govt. over the financial brink. I cannot in good conscience vote for either, but I secretly hope that Obama wins, because he will push us off the brink much faster.

    • Warrior

      Now there’s some “sound” thinking? Are you out “occupying” this week?

      • http://none Michael Westrich

        I am storing food and buying precious metals for when the dollar and our fascist Govt. collapses. Voting for either of the “bought and paid for” puppets is a waste of time.

    • Bill

      You probably should not be voting anyway, because you just failed the intelligence test

    • OLD MAN

      USEFUL IDIOT……….You just voted for Obama by your abstenance……..Think about this before you refuse to vote for either one………“IF you FAIL TO VOTE for the lesser evil you *ARE* voting for the Greater Evil!”

      • roger

        please name for us the last president you think voters elected. it’s sad so many people are still fooled by such notions as voting making a difference.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        roger, who told you that your vote doesn’t matter? If you believe this then don’t vote.
        So you believe anything that the Dems/Progs/Leftists tell you?
        Notice how the Democrats have no problems voting and getting their people elected, all they have to do is tell the simple minded and the gullible that their vote doesn’t count. Why would they expand all the money and time if votes didn’t count?
        Have you ever questioned what the people who tell you that your vote doesn’t count have to gain by telling you this?

      • Kate8

        Nadzieja – Sadly, shockingly, it appears that our vote does NOT count. In fact, the results are scripted well ahead of time, just like many other things.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/10/2012-presidential-race-results-mistakenly-leaked-on-cbs-2488166.html

        Now that we know this, what can we do about it?

      • Kate8

        Don’t look at the program. Look at the election results box at the bottom. It’s dated Nov. 6, 2012.

        This clip was released in October.

      • http://none Michael Westrich

        Yup. Heard all of that before. Look where the lesser of two evils has gotten us? Nuff said.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Are you serious?

      • Kate8

        karolyn – Did you see the video?

        The news media has newsfeeds of many events written and recorded well ahead of time.

        It’s all planned in advance. We already figured that. In today’s world of virtual reality, we can be fed anything at all and will believe it to be true. Like Murdoch says, “The news is what we say it is”.

        You bet I’m serious. Now, let’s see if they get away with it… yet again.

    • alpha-lemming

      True…. stated another way, “the right is taking us to hell on a freight-train and the left is taking us there on an SST”. The only advantage to the “right” vote is that it offers more time to correct the ship of state before we sail over the falls.

      • http://none Michael Westrich

        So very true. I only wish there was more time to change course. Ron Paul was likely the last best hope.

  • http://www.chandostransportsolutions.com GraemeB

    The problem with Mormons is you never get a straight answer.Ever try to get them to tell you what they really believe when they come to your door? Ask them for some of Joseph’s prophesies and they will always ask you, “which one”, yet they will not give you one but you are told to believe that he was a prophet.
    Mittens has been well trained hence nobody knows what he stands for and are told to wait till after the election. His weathervane answers to questions has led people to not know who is the real Mittens.

    • Fred

      I am a member and I give straight answers. If you really cared to find out what Joseph Smith prophesied a whole book has been published. It is your for the asking if you
      will ask the right LDS. I would suggest that you make it your purpose to do this because the true meesage can be life changing for you.

      • Toy

        Sorry, but i can’t find the right underwear, in my size!

      • Elda

        Toy…..they don’t go on your head!

    • don

      so i guess you truely know obama. the world is listening .

    • Paul

      I’m in awe. If you have a problem, ask unequivocally almost any member of the LDS faith-about almost anything. They ALWAYS have had straightforward answers for me —

    • YetAnotherBob

      Here are two.

      First, in 1832, In the Book of Commandments, the first published record of Joseph Smith’s revelations after the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith predicted the Civil War, stating that it would begin in South Carolina, but would swiftly spread to other states, with the southern States rising against the Northern States, and would terminate in the death and misery of a great many people. Note that the Civil War began with the firing on Fort Sumpter in South Carolina.

      Second, Joseph Smith was traveling in Illionis in 1842 when he stopped for the night with some friend’s at a Justice of the Peace’s house. Joseph told the JP, as recorded in his companions diary, You will find your political star acending, you will obtain a very great office, and will aspire to the Presicency of the United States. It will be within your grasp, but, if you evern turn against the Latter Day Saints, it will slip from your grasp, and you will die a broken man. That man was Steven A, Dougless, who was famous for the Lincoln Dougless debates. In the election of 1860, Dougless was the Democratic candidate for President. He gave a speach as part of the early camppaign that attacked the ‘Mormons’ as unamerican, to take some of the thunder away from the Republicans. Within a month, the Democratic Party split into three parts, and Lincoln won with only around 40% of the vote. True history.

      There are many more examples. If you would like to find out more, go to Mormon.org, and just ask. He also predicted his own death, and the subsequent migration to the “Midst of the Rocky Mountains”.

      • Paul

        I’ve read a lot about similar happenings/revelations. Makes one really “think”…
        Thanks YetAnotherBob!

    • Harold Childs

      That is so idiotic. How many “straight answers” has anyone gotten from our great saviour, Obama, in the last 4 years? He is a great politician and accomplished liar, but certainly proven by his own actions not qualified to be the President of the USA. It’s past time for him to go. Our nation cannot survive another four under his watch. We will all wind up like Begazi.

  • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

    Bob: Obama has taken a bad economy and made it much worse. He has no experience at running a business. He doesn’t even have any experience WORKING FOR a business. His political success is the result of a great smile and a talent for oratory. He is the worst president in U.S. history. Romney, on the other hand, is responsible for saving many companies from failure: Staples, Brookstone, Domino’s Pizza, Sealy, Sports Authority, and many others. Who is more like to have the talents necessary to save us from economic collapse – the guy with the smile, or the guy with the brain? Romney has the support of Franklin and Billy Graham. That’s good enough for me.

    • OLD MAN

      MikeR…..You are being logical……..We don’t seem to have a logical society anymore….. It seems to be populated with an abundance of “useful idiots” who just want to rattle their gums about trivial things.

      • alpha-lemming

        The “gene pool” could definitely use a little more chlorine…….

    • rb

      Just a little FYI on the endorsement from Billy and Franklin Graham. I fail to take stock in much either Mr. Graham has to say since the June 2005 crusade in New York where Billy Graham brought Bill and Hillary Clinton onto his stage and said….”Mrs. Clinton might make a good President.” He also said that Bill Clinton and his wife are “Wonderful friends” and “Great couple”. He then said that Bill Clinton “should become an evangelist and allow his wife to run the country.” Appalling to say the least.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you are letting Billy Graham have control over your life and now you are paralyzed so you cannot make any decision and stand by it. So idiots like Billy Graham and the Clintons have won.

      • phideaux

        rb, what is your source for those claims? Where was it reported?

    • Juanita

      Just because Rommney save private companies with his monies. that dosen’t mean that congress will approve anything for him, as Obama

    • http://yetanotherbob.wordpress.com yetanotherbob

      Sorry, but, Obama is not the worst President in US History, just the worst in the last 20 years. Carter was worse, so was Johnson, but the real winner was James Buchannan. He actually got Congress to declare war on the US (actually a territory, that a friend of his told him was in revolt. When the mess was all sorted out, there was no revolt, his friend had stolen the money in the territorial treasury, and spent the rest of his life in Europe. US money in those days was in real silver and gold.).

      Obama has done nothing to top that, nor has he called out the Army to forcibly evict people from thier homes in order to support a friend’s company, as Warren G Harding did.

      Woodrow Wilson used the sinking of a ‘passenger liner’ that was carrying munitions as the reason to enter World War I, after he knew who was going to win.

      FDR recieved a message from the Japanese Ambassador the day befor the Pearl Harbor attack, but told no one.

      Andrew Jackson chased his political enemies completly out of the United States, that’s why Davy Crocket was at the Alamo. Jackson also used the Army to evict the Cherokees, even though the Supreme Court had already ruled that the Cherokees owned the land.

      Lindon Johnson used the ‘Tonkin Bay’ incident to get the US involved in Viet Nam. The destroyer that had been fired on was later found to have been over 600 miles away from Tonkin Bay at the time.

      Obama is bad, but to truely be the worst, you have a very low bar to meet.

    • Karolyn

      It is just amazing what one man can do all by himself! Obama single-handedly ruined the economy! Wow!

  • Curtis

    Re: C. A. Horton’s comment-”if Romney was Cristian”- Mr. Romney and I belong to “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”. What does the name tell you about what we members believe in? “Christ” is part of the name, which is also part of the word “Christian”, and is a fundamental part of our church. We believe in Christ, we pray to God in His name, we believe he is the Savior of this world and our personal Savior. It is through him that we can enter Heaven. We study his life and works and try to follow his teachings. As far as “strange religious practices” are concerned, every church has certain teachings, clothing, and practices that might seem strange to those of other faiths. We believe ours are proscribed as part of our salvation, and we adhere to what we believe. We believe that all have the same rights.

    • Elda

      Curtis…I am telling people this all the time and they are always surprised. How can this be a surprise when you belong to a church with Jesus at the head of it? We read the same passages out of the same Holy Bible. We say the same prayers. It is all about attitude.

    • Kat

      The problem with what you say is, Jesus said man can add nothing to what He did on the cross. Adding anything, such as the need for special clothing, baptism or anything else, diminishes what He did on the cross. Many religions try to add to what Christ did. This puts a heavy burden on people and they never know if they have done it right or done enough to be saved. Sorry to be repeating myself but this an important point: When He said, “It is finished” He meant there is nothing man can add to what He did. True salvation is based on the belief that Christ did it all on the cross. Special underwear or ritual is not needed for salvation. Rules are not needed for salvation. Christ said that His yoke is easy and His burden is light. A person simply has to believe that they are a sinner, confess their sin, believe that Christ died for their sin and that He rose again on the third day. At that point, the Holy Spirit takes over in that persons life and helps them change their heart and behavior. So many religions are law (rule) based, which is man’s way of controlling behavior. Those religions are not grace based. God’s way of controlling behavior is through the Holy Spirit. He changes the heart and leads through His Spirit. That is grace based.

      I am telling you what I believe to be true. I suggest you explore the Bible to find what is true. I have Mormon friends and have read the writings of their leaders. I have their books in my library. Many place their written word above that of the Bible. They believe the Bible has errors but that Mormon writings are error free. I believe they are wrong about that.

      Most Mormons are wonderful people: fair and honest; hardworking and trustworthy. I believe some understand what Christ said when He said “It is finished.” When you say that special underwear is part of the salvation requirement, it makes me think that perhaps you don’t understand the difference between grace and law and that you are relying on something in addition to Christ for salvation. I don’t believe that Christ died so we could rely on something other than Him.

      • Rob

        “When He said, “It is finished” He meant there is nothing man can add to what He did.” If that was the case, then there would be no need for Acts through Revelation, of which Paul wrote 13, Peter wrote two, John wrote four, Luke, Jude, and James each wrote one. What was finished was the fulfillment of the old law along with the old covenant because all men were guilty of the whole law if they failed in any one aspect. Christ was the only one who could follow the law without guilt, thereby fulfilling it.

        On another note, pay attention to what Brad Pitt’s mom said not to terribly long ago. She doesn’t believe the same way as Mitt, but his religious beliefs at least lead him to some moral values.

  • burt

    “strangely”, that type of questions is never asked about Islam

  • jopa

    I thought those Mormons were the followers of some guy by the name of Smith or was it Jones.I keep thinking his name was George Smith but that’s the guy that will tow your car away in Philadelphia.Never had much exposure to this Mormon cult other than what I saw on the show Big Love on HBO.They can be very spooky with their many wives communes, and prearranged marriages.Basically the women and children were the slaves of the dominating males that practiced some sick and deviate practices sexually and slave labor for the good of the commune.Basically Romneys father went to Mexico to practice Communism and polygamy so that means Mitt was born and raised as a Communist.Not my choice for President.

    • Z

      What? Don’t speak about what you don’t know.

    • OLD MAN

      So you think Obama “is the man”? I won’t waste time and space with more.. “usefull idiot”. GOD help us all if you are right…………..

    • Elda

      Every time, without exception, people with this much hate end up being someone that simply has a heart full of hate and a brain empty of truth. How sad for you.

    • Stedmon

      Jopa-Do you remember the tv ad about drug abuse, the egg frying in the pan? Your idiotic comment reminded me of this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub_a2t0ZfTs

      • jopa

        Stedmon;Did a little research and yup I was right.All you have to do is google Warren Jeffs and you wil see another side of this cult that Romneys father practiced.This jeffs guy is now in prison.

        • Paul

          jopa; get a life. Jeffs is NOT affiliated with Romney’s faith.
          Romney’s OFFICIAL church website is: http://www.mormon.org
          YOU may believe in a different Christ then he, but he believes in Jesus the Christ as his personal Saviour—and so do I.

    • Liberterian

      Right on the head of the nail Jopa, these pagan worshipers come now, want to be Christian worshipers. Thou comes from Founding Father Smith’s alien planet of Kolab.

    • Bill

      You need to reset the adjustments on your tinfoil hat

    • don

      what conner wall did you crap this off of

  • Doc Sarvis

    I believe Romney is a man of faith, whatever that means. I look at the person’s life which may, or may not, reflect their professed faith (if any). While Romney has given to charity (he has plenty to give) and helped a few individuals out over the years, his primary vocation has weakend America. Bain Capital has made a practice of shipping jobs overseas and putting Americans out of work. A few companies they dealt with may have survived or even thrived. He hides his money in overseas accounts to benefit himself and other countries as opposed to the U.S. where he lives and “works”. His policies are focused to benefit the wealthy and pay lip service to the masses.

    President Obama, on the other hand, has worked to improve the circumstances of the masses, AND the wealthy, AND America. Sure he has gotten wealthy in the process (nowhere near as wealthy as Romney). President Obama understands how wealth is being redistributed and concentrated in the top 1% and how that pinches the middle and lower classes and he acts on that knowledge to improve the lives of all citizens of the U.S. making America stronger.

    • momo

      Doc Sarvis says: “President Obama, on the other hand, has worked to improve the circumstances of the masses, AND the wealthy, AND America. Sure he has gotten wealthy in the process (nowhere near as wealthy as Romney). President Obama understands how wealth is being redistributed and concentrated in the top 1% and how that pinches the middle and lower classes and he acts on that knowledge to improve the lives of all citizens of the U.S. making America stronger.”

      So tell us Doc, how is wealth being redistributed to the top 1% and what is Obama doing about it?

  • Earl Saxon

    I can’t believe this is surprising? When has the Party of Utopia ever been accepting of any religious or for that matter lifestyle other than the defined Liberal way.

    Hate, racism, bigotry, political conformity, and the most common Liberal Democrat trait,the absolute Hypocrite.

    Complete with the prime example DEBBIE WASSERMAN-SHULTZ the absolute Hypocrite and commander and lie for the Democrat Party.

    I recently watched another Liberal Anderson Cooper holding a New York Times article totally miss-quoted,rewritten would be more accurate by the Liberal Debbie.

    She would not even begin to get off her hate filled message,a message more important than any stupid thing like the truth,or facts or the fact she was a total lying Liberal Bitch.

    So welcome all who are blind,watch this bitch a see the true future of America under the Leadership of people who believe lying for the message is most important.

    Welcome to the Hypocrite world of the Liberal Democrat.

    • Doc Sarvis

      All that name calling – you really must lay off watching Jersey Shore! Just sayin’.

  • tncdel

    Far better a Mormon than a Muslim. Know of any Mormon suicide-bombers or Mormons hijacking airplanes? I don’t even think they’ve taken over any U.S. consulates.

  • dan

    After Marxists,Muslims,Masons, Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove Satanists….
    I’m supposed to draw a line in the sand for MORMAN’s……
    bwahahahaa

    • http://speedle speedle

      Dan, where exactly DO you draw the line?

  • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

    “That sort of mouth-breathing, ignorant hate represents the worst kind of mindless political assault.”

    I agree, and I’m thankful that it is not the majority of voters who do this.

    The ones that do this should be openly challenged, by all sides. This is what is dividing our country.

  • TML

    Sounds like you are saying its ok for Republicans, or religious conservatives, to practice religious intolerance (depending on the religion of course), but if a Democrat does it, they are hypocrites.
    Well, indeed they would be, and indeed you are Ben.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Ben, Have you read the Book of Mormon? i have, It is harmless to any other Christian beliefs. I studied it with elders from the LDS every Saturday afternoon for thirteen weeks. It did not harm me, or change my Christian belief system. I would prefer a Mormon to the Muslim who is now in office, any day of the week. If you believe Obama is a Christian i have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

  • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    The BEST statement EVER made about RELIGION was made by a communist, unfortunatley, and that was “Religion is the OPIATE of the masses”. …..It dumbs them down even more than the Zionist media, education and politics. I guess it had to be a communist since Westerners were already too dumbed down to think of it themselves.

    • http://yetanotherbob.wordpress.com yetanotherbob

      When Karl Marx made the comment you quoted from the ‘Communist Manifesto’, Opium was used medicinally as a pain killer. Marx meant that Religion was the only thing that made the lives of the people bearable.

      For the lower classes in the early part of the Industrial Revolution, this was prbably true. Wages were very low, hours were very long, and with no education, there was almost no chance of a person bettering himself. Improvement came later, and were the results of continuing industrialization, not from Communism. Marx was a philosopher, not an economist. Perhaps that’s why Communist economies perform so poorly.

      Use of Opium and it’s derivitives Morphine and Heroin came later.

      • Karolyn

        I disagree. I believe he meant that religion dulled the senses, much as opium does.

      • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

        ……AND I agree with Karolytn BUT we will never truely know and ,anyway, i prefer my interpretation and I am “sticking” with it :-)

  • RichE

    In their fundamental beliefs Mormonism is closer to Islam than Christianity.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Then you should have no problem voting for Romney the businessman instead of O the questionable scholar..

    • Paul

      RichE, your intellect is highly in question with your above frivolous remark. Do you ever read? http://www.mormon.org

      • RichE

        Paul,
        It’s my understanding that Mormons and Muslims agree on the Trinity and Salvation which is in disagreement with Christians. These two are the fundamentals of Christianity, Jesus is the only way to salvation and God is three beings.

      • Paul

        RichE,
        So sorry. You are wrong. Go here to see: http://www.mormon.org (The Mormon church’s official web site) Then, you, and all others who sincerely do want truth can actually SEE it.

        • RichE

          Paul,
          I was informed that by two Mormons, they are the ones that ride bicycles?

          • Paul

            Comedy hour-eh?

            As previously worded, those who are “actually” wanting to know truth vs. heresay-please go to: http://www.mormon.org and DON’T listen to heresay people like RichE here.

            A footnote: RichE, why don’t you just go vote dude?

          • RichE

            Paul,
            Do Mormons believe in the Christian Trinity? Do Mormons believe the Christ is the only way to salvation?

          • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

            The LDS Church (Mormon’s) no longer have anything to do with those who practice polygamy, especially with young girls. Jeff’s has been an outcast for a long time.

            The young men on the bicycles are on 2 year missions. The missions are not forced. They are all volunteer’s. The ones that I’ve met are very nice young men. My sister has a step-son who is a member of the LDS Church. He is now married, expecting a baby and is a marine. :-)

            The time that Romney spent in France we on a 2 year mission. It is not dishonorable as some people who have others believe.

            The best we can do is do the best that we can with what life throws us, and then account for it to G-d.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        RichE is correct, Paul. Are there similarities between Islam and Mormonism? Too many to overlook!

        http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6474

  • http://NotAvailable Philip A. Sandi

    Ben you are nothing but a racist and that is simply. Obama is not abominable and understand that the very Bible you profess to know mandates you to not only love your leaders but to pray for them. Stop this racist thing and get some good attitude or prepare to live somewhere else.

    • Karolyn

      This is how writers/”journalists” on both sides of the fence make their living, by widening the divide amongst the people.

  • RichE

    It seems funny to me that the major religions are in a power struggle over salvation and who is God.

  • RichE

    Paul,
    I’m interested in your theology not a web site’s. In the end it’s what you believe not what a web site says.

    • Fred

      Rich E. the site Paul is referring you to IS the official site where people such as you
      can view OFFICIAL CHURCH DOCTRINE. It will help you to understand our teachings
      so that you will be clear. What a member does with the doctrine is an individual choice
      with individual consequences.
      Please have an open mind and visit the site with a prayerful attitude should you decide
      to explore. Remember also that many lies were told about Jesus Christ during His
      ministry so people had to comes to their own decisions about what He taught.
      Whatever you decide my prayers go out to you and your family for happiness and prosperity.

      Fred

  • Dale Smith

    I find it most amazing that people have so much time to write such drivel. No wonder our Country is in trouble. These people have nothing better to do than write like this? Get a job, go out and pick up the trash, sweep the streets, do whatever, but don’t waste your time with hate-filled nonsense. Karolyn seems to be one of the few that has it right. It makes me a tad bit ashamed to claim a lifetime of work in the electronic media, but they do make their living this way. What a sorry state Americans are in these days.

  • Susanna

    No, Mormons are not Christian. I believe in the Old Testament, more specifically, the Talmud, but I do not go around calling myself Jewish. Jews don’t believe in the New Testament. Christians don’t believe in the Book of Mormon. While Mormons may have the same heritage, they are a distinct religion. They should be proud enough to state what they are instead of trying to convince us of what they are not. And that’s not to say that they are bad people or their religion is horrible; it’s just different. I know many honorable, wonderful people who are Mormon. For some reason, there are those that think that if you call them what they are, you are insulting them. I don’t understand that. (And, yes, I’ve studied what they believe.)
    A person’s religion is relevant only to the extent of what the religion states and how the person interprets it. Since we aren’t electing a religious head, it’s usually irrelevant. However, that’s not always so. I would never vote for a Wahabi-ist, for example. It says something about a person that s/he would choose such a religion and world view.

    • Fred

      Susanna you are dead wrong about who Mormons are and what they believe.
      Perhaps you will have some humbling experience in your life occur like what happened
      in mine so that you will want to know what is true. Obviously your views are the product of
      what you have read or been told.
      It breaks my heart that you are currently unable to have the desire to explore the truth
      by going directly to the source.

  • Bimbam

    His religion won’t matter anyway. It is an offshoot of the Catholic church. Nearly every Chrisitan religion is an offshoot of the Catholic church, except Islam.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

    To put it succinctly, the fundamental difference between The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints and Christianity is that one is monotheistic and the other is polytheistic.

    Biblical Christianity is rooted in Ontological Monotheism which is the belief in one God by nature.

    LDS religion is rooted in Polytheism which is the belief in more than one God by nature.

    But don’t take my word for it. Listen to the Prophet Joseph Smith:

    LDS founder Joseph Smith in The King Follet Discourse, August 15, 1844 said:

    “I will preach on the plurality of Gods . . . I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. . . . Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods”(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 370; emphasis added).

    This teaching was elaborated upon by the Prophet Brigham Young:

    Brigham Young, second President and Prophet said:

    “There was never a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through” (Brigham Young, Discourses of Brigham Young, 22-23).

    This belief is fundamental to LDS theology:

    Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt declared:

    “In the Heaven where our spirits were born, there are many Gods, each one of whom has his own wife or wives which are given to him previous to his redemption; while yet in his
    mortal state” (Orson Pratt, The Seer, 37- 38; emphasis added).

    Not to split hair folks, but…mormonism is anything but, Christian. Sure, it may sound, look, and smell like Christianity…sadly, it is not. Mormonism attempts to imitate Christianity, much like a zircon, a substitute for “Diamond”, imitates diamond, so is mormonism a substitute, and imitates “Christianity”!

    http://shadowlander.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/the-fundamental-difference-between-christianity-and-mormonism/

    • Fred

      Jayson you are begging the question with your excellent analysis of single vs. plural
      Gods AND you have assumed that a Christian could not be one believing in multiple
      Gods as in one like a Mormon which I am. Believing in a Trinity of God The Father,
      God The Son (Christ) and God The Holy Ghost is exactly what the Bible teaches
      and what The Book of Mormon greatly clarifies
      .At Jesus Baptism when a voice from Heaven declared that Jesus is my beloved son
      in whom I am well pleased, Was God talking to himself? No, the answer is obvious,
      Heavenly Father ( a God and part of The Godhead) was talking about Jesus Christ,His Son
      the God of THIS EARTH. At the same time The Holy Spirit, the third person in The
      Godhead descended from heaven as A DOVE. There you have it–THREE GODS
      NOT ONE MATHHEW 3:16,17. Obviously Mormons are correct in teaching this doctrine, making them ABSOLUTE CHRISTIANS in understanding the nature of God/s

      Please be careful what you tell others before you get your facts straight because
      you could be leading someone astray and this could be the work of Satan.

      • Paul

        Great words of wisdom Fred !

  • beacon007

    Religion is man made, spirituality God given. We all learn from the outside in, rather from the inside out.

    We all err, sin, screw up and goof. Look up the word Christ, it says, I am the way, the truth and the life.

    Being honest with ourselves, we can get rid of spam, viruses, defragment, making room for more info. My problem is with popups, like cookies

    Cheers to all religions.

    Love Gord

  • Kolob

    Hey Kate8..which is scarier? Ignorant haters like you…that’s who.
    For you guys, Mormonism is OK as long as it is not Muslim. Now it is suddenly cool that Romney’s Dad & Grandad left the US (Mexico) to practice polygamy and found a way to get back into the country.
    Q: If Obama’s family did that, would you accept it? We all know the answer to that…hypocrits.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I agree with Mr. Crystal quite a bit on this one. People should not attack Mitt Romney or any Mormon for their faith. Whether its Christians, Jews, Muslims or any other religion a persons religion does not matter. Its their individual actions that should be judged. When we judge someone who is a member of a particular religion based on the actions of another member of that religion it is prejudice plain and simple. What matters is individual action and individual character.

    • Fred

      I absolutely agree with your comments. I am a Mormon but detest some of
      Mitt Romney’s big government views and actions. Yes, his moral compass appears
      brighter than does Obama’s but Ron Paul, who seemed to answer to no
      big interest, was my guy.. Too bad our country was not ready for him at least
      the big wigs running our two major parties and our major media.

  • http://TheRefounders.US Connie Dunham

    I do not think Mitt Romney’s faith should be the issue. I believe the most important thing is his character. He is one of the finest men to even be considered for this office since Geo. Washington and some of the other founding fathers who all had some flaws because they are human. Besides, we are not voting for a Pastor, but for a President. Right?

    • Paul

      So well worde Connie…!

  • ASIM ALI

    IT IS FUNNY HOW IN THE SAME BREATH YOU SPEAK OF FREEDOM OF RELIGION THEN CONDEMN ISLAM?

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