Girl Power: 10 Feminist Icons Who Probably Shouldn’t Be

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Am I really supposed to believe that Huma Abedin is a feminist icon? According to a number of lapdog media types, her decision to stand by the side of her cyber-creep husband, Anthony Weiner, at the most awkward press conference in New York since Eliot Spitzer admitted to being “Client 9” was “brave.” Pardon me for saying so; but if this is the current state of feminism, then you have not come a long way, baby.

But Abedin is hardly the first traveler on the path to gender equality who bailed on the sisterhood in order to hitch a ride on the proverbial “Weiner Express.” Take a gander at these ladies: 10 women who are feminist icons, but probably shouldn’t be.

Hillary Clinton

Abedin’s big buddy, Hillary Clinton, allowed her husband to treat her like a doormat in return for the privilege of participating in policy decisions and throwing things in the White House residence. The rich girl from Chicago married a pot-smoking fat kid who accepts the word “no” as well as a Kennedy. She then turned an activist liberal law career into the first ladyship of Arkansas, followed by a Senate seat in New York, followed by a failed Presidential campaign that included the original “birther” stories, followed by a turn in the Secretary of State’s office, followed by resignation in disgrace after shockingly callous and dishonest testimony in front of Congress regarding Benghazi, Libya. When Sarah Palin tried to push Senator John McCain into the White House, she endured misogynist attacks from Democrats who were more infuriated by her refusal to accept the liberal idea of “feminism” than a Taliban imam catching a woman reading an actual book. Palin didn’t cling to her husband’s trouser legs while he dropped them on women’s floors from Wasilla to Washington, D.C.; nor did she ever lie to Congress. Liberals decry the very idea of a Palin Presidency.  They’re too busy buying Hillary2016! T-shirts.

Nancy Pelosi

If you’re a young lady thinking about her future, I’ll grant you this: Be Nancy Pelosi. But don’t be like her. Make an impact on your world, but don’t let it be negative. Pursue your dreams, but not at the deliberate expense of others. Wield what authority you can, but not for authority’s sake. At least, try to cut back on the insider trading. Also, maybe don’t use Botox so much.

Oprah Winfrey

Hey, I get it. Oprah Winfrey gave away lots of free stuff on her show. But Winfrey is precisely the wrong person to present as a role model for girls. It’s not that I think Winfrey is all that bad a person. I just recognize that she’s a small-town girl who hit it big in an extremely unlikely fashion. If a little girl starts to work toward a career as an overpaid talk show host who’s essentially famous for being famous, she still won’t get farther than a guest hosting gig on “Good Morning, Tacoma.” Liberals like to whine about radio talk show hosts. At least radio talk show hosts can churn out multiple hours on a daily basis. Take away the commercial breaks, and Oprah couldn’t do more than 44 minutes per episode. Take away Drs. Phil and Oz and Tom Cruise’s couch-jumping performance, and she’s got just enough time left to call Hermes’ Paris store racist for closing on time.

Michelle Obama

I will say this: I have seen no evidence to suggest she’s not an excellent mother. Her children seem pleasant, bright and well-behaved. That is not something we could honestly say about some of the more recent inhabitants of the White House kids’ table. Raising children who don’t make their Secret Service detail cringe every time they pass a liquor store is a real accomplishment. But being first lady is decidedly not. Until Hillary Clinton Tammy Wynette-d her way to a “co-Presidency,” no one had ever turned the unelected position into more than a charity-focused and ceremonial role. Some would retort that Obama built a promising career as an attorney on a foundation of an outstanding education. I can’t argue with that. Nor can I resist pointing out that she gave it up to hitch a ride to stardom with a community organizer who conned his way onto Air Force One.

Margaret Sanger

This woman is the pro-abortion lobby’s Joan of Arc, Boudicca and Wonder Woman all wrapped up in one neat, compact, eugenics-spouting, racist, genocidal little package. Sanger is considered the mother of Planned Parenthood and spiritual godmother of the pro-abortion movement. Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin are generally considered the heavyweight champions of intentional genocide, combining to send more than 1 million people to the final gulag. If we split their total right down the middle (and I suspect each would claim the top spot), they come in around 50 million apiece. If you count only the abortions performed since 1973’s Roe v. Wade decision, then Sanger’s monstrous legacy has caused the deaths of somewhere around 55 million people. In fact, that number relies on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention records, which don’t include New York and California totals. Both States legalized abortion years before Roe v. Wade. Furthermore, the CDC readily acknowledges that it hasn’t received a count of abortions from California in years, meaning its total is likely short by a number close to the cost of an Obama family vacation. In addition to the fact that a woman who openly advocated for the extermination of people like her fellow feminist icon Michelle Obama doesn’t seem like a particularly positive role model for anyone, thanks to her parentage of Planned Parenthood, there are a whole lot fewer women around to consider her a role model at all.

Sandra Fluke

Real feminists stand proudly and demand the respect to which they are entitled. Fluke sat pathetically in front of a fake Congressional hearing organized by Pelosi and demanded free birth control — quite a lot of it, in fact. Since her staged appearance at Pelosi’s sideshow, Fluke has gone on to play to adoring crowds which, in some cases, comprised adoring fans numbering in the tens. Here’s something to share with the little faces of the future: Sandra Fluke is famous for demanding the American taxpayers subsidize her rather healthy sexual appetite. That’s right, girls; you, too, can be free from the shackles of the patriarchal phallocracy (or whatever) and have lots and lots of sex. For free! Yay, feminism!

Lady Diana Spencer

Yes, I’m aware that she’s dead. So is Baroness Margaret Thatcher, and “feminists” cheered her passing as if Thatcher had stolen the crown jewels. At least Thatcher actually did something for the British economy other than spend a hefty portion of it on designer threads. The only reason Lady Di came out of her marriage to Prince Charles looking like the victim was that she looked better in those designer threads. I’m not celebrating her death the way liberals did Thatcher’s demise; I am pointing out that Di’s death overshadowed that of Mother Teresa’s, which occurred just six days later. If only the Blessed Mother of Calcutta had tended to the least among us while wearing Armani.

Jane Fonda

She sat for propaganda photos with the enemy during a war. But she’s a really important actress and, therefore, should be granted more leeway. It was a different time in America; and, therefore, we should ignore her petulant outbursts. We were fighting ourselves as much as communism; and, therefore, we should be more understanding of the fact that she committed treason. Hey, sure. I’ll forgive her for openly fondling an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down American pilots. I’ll even forgive her for naming her kid after the guy who tried to murder U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and Senator Henry Cabot Lodge. I will not forgive her for her autobiography, My Life So Far, which rose above the din of the usual ghost-written celebrity memoir only through torturing the language. Here’s Hanoi Jane on her supposed rediscovery of Christianity:

It was more an experiencing of His presence, a psychic lucidity, that was allowing me access to something beyond consciousness. It wasn’t long, however, before I found myself bumping up against certain literal, patriarchal aspects of Christian orthodoxy that I found difficult to embrace.

So she recognizes God is a He, but she doesn’t want to accept Him as a He. I’m beginning to understand how she managed to both apologize for treason and not apologize for treason.

Madonna

I’ll be completely honest. I don’t know who that spider-limbed, leathery creature on stage these days is; but that’s not Madonna. Remember when she pretended to have a British accent? Remember how it didn’t really matter what she said; because the accent was so distracting, you couldn’t follow her actual words? Remember thinking that was the smartest she ever sounded? This new iteration says things like:

Y’all better vote for f–king Obama, OK? For better or for worse, all right? We have a black Muslim in the White House. Now that’s some amazing s—t…It means there is hope in this country. And Obama is fighting for gay rights, so support the man, goddamnit.

And the “feminists” think Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is crazy?

Lilith

According to mythology, Lilith was either a female demon or Adam’s first wife. And now, she’s the namesake of a failed traveling music festival founded on the idea that women were underrepresented in music. The first Lilith Fair took place in 1997, at which point women like Madonna had managed to sell a couple of records despite the patriarchy of the evil recording industry. Hell, by 1997, a woman had served as co-President for four years. And I’m struggling to see the value of encouraging girls to emulate someone who is either the worst ex-wife in history or a soul-crushing hellspawn. But then, that’s almost as redundant as “Crappy Lilith Fair lineup.”

I’m willing to acknowledge both my politics and my plumbing preclude me from membership in the sort of intellectual sorority that produces admiration for Abedin and animus for Palin. But that doesn’t preclude me from recognizing that some of these girls are just plain mean, man!

So by the definition of the kind of people who like to decide for everyone else how things should be defined, I guess I’m not a feminist. I actually already knew that. After all, I turned down free tickets to the Lilith Fair a ways back.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Nadzieja Batki

    She’ll stand by her Weiner since her handlers need a dupe.

    • Bob666

      Yo Nads,
      Let me ask you this question one more time, What made you such a miserable and unhappy person?

      I have yet to ever see you make a positive or uplifting comment.

      Just asking?

      • Dave

        She has anger issues over her religion forcing her to be subservient to a man. She never has anything positive to say.
        sad really…

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Dave holding on to Bob666 tail, what a smelly combination.
          Your defining words makes them to be lies, so why should you be listened to.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          One thing Dave is very experienced with — Forcing others to be Subservient.

          • Dave

            Of course DaveH has proof of his lies… Oh wait…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’ve made it very clear, numbnuts, that you support Big Government, and Government is Force.
            You have no cognitive abilities whatsoever, do you?

          • Dave

            And you are a liar… Again sfb

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Yo, Satanic Moron “of the 13 generation out of 14”,
        I have yet to ever see you make an intelligent or positive or uplifting comment.

        Let me ask you this question one more time: What made you such a miserable and unhappy person?

        Oh, I know. That is your depressed and dismal personal life, which made you so bitterly choleric and mad.

        Nothing personal, JUST observation

        • Bob666

          Yo Baby-Back,
          I’m not a miserable guy. In fact, I have never been happier. You have never seen me make a homophobic or raciest remark as I hold all people as equal.

          I have a good wife and my children are well adjusted happy and successful people and I even have grandchildren. I have my health, have set up a good retirement, travel and many good friends.

          I am also a lifetime member of an organization that helped build this country and holds more business, religious, military, civic leaders and artisans that any other organization in humanity.

          “depressed and dismal personal life, which made you so bitterly choleric and mad”? perhaps you are so wound up with hate, you lack the ability to see life objectively.

          With you pork-fest-it’s always personal, that is obvious.

          • S.C.Murf

            satanic lie’s. Your life is miserable why else would you be here demeaning everyone’s statements. You live a lie bobbie. TIME to make that POPPING sound.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yes S.C.Murf, “Yo bobby” is a CHRONIC LIAR.

            CHRONIC LIARS are a human species who are lying routinely and regularly. They lie about EVERYTHING,

            The CHRONIC LIARS are suffering from a MENTAL DISORDER. They FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE in the company of TRUTH, but lying make them feel good.

            Absurdly they think that their lies make them look smart and important and that they are better than others. They think that by their lies they are controlling people. But in the reality they are fearful and insecure. They have fearful heart of rabbet. Therefore the CHRONIC LIARS like “Yo bobby” exhibit a defensive behavior.

            They always blame others for the destroyed relationships.

            They are suffering from the ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder). They lie to hide the truth both from themselves and others.

            The chronic liar always reacts aggressively,
            threateningly, intimidatingly and hostilely toward people who do not believe his lies. They think that attacking unbelievers will make them to feel doubtful
            and guilty.

            CHRONIC LIARS think that people will believe in their FALSE PERSONA they portray in public.

            What a SELF-DECEPTION!!!!!!!!

          • Karolyn

            Thank you Dr. Alondra! When did you get your Ph.D.?

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,
            She got it a the Soviet School of Propaganda and studied under professor Putin.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            PRESIDENT Vladimir Putin is a TRUE Leader and a TRUE Man – total contrast to the DEPRAVED and SLEAZY Illegal Kriminal RESIDENT O’homobama.
            I know you like YouTubs. Do not miss this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZEzzYK0dU

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I told you twice already, Mizz Karolyn.
            Karolyn, you have a mystic GIFT FOR STUPIDITY.

            I think you are immune to reasoning and logic in spite of
            being so long on this site.

            P.S. I already recommended you to seek help. But you still ignore it.

          • Bob666

            Yo Smurffy
            “Satanic lie’s. Your life is miserable why else would you be here demeaning everyone’s statements”.
            Why are you papa smurf? Is this the pot calling the kettle smurf blue?

            ” You live a lie bobbie. TIME to make that POPPING sound”.

            Well Smurfy, what have I lied about?

          • Bob666

            OK Fat Back,
            What have I lied about?

            Will you post a you tube link?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            No one needs YouTube to see how you are struggling to get out of your skin in desperation and frustration to sell yourself as “smart” and “important” personality. It’s enough to read your bitterly choleric and deranged nonsensical babble-mumble to see what dismal creature you are.

            Keep jumping like flea from comment to comment and spawn your poisoning satanic hate. Even Jeffry is not interested in you. Just BIG Mizz Karolyn.

            Veritas semper vincit – TRUTH ALWAYS CONQUERS

            P.S. Please do not repeat yourself and do not plagiarize me. TY

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork Belly,

            Pork Fest: “Please keep lying. Your master also lied in his “autobiography”.”

            Bob: “What have I lied about”?

            Pigs Feet: “No one needs YouTube to see how you are struggling to get out of your skin in desperation and frustration to sell yourself as “smart” and “important” personality. It’s enough to read your bitterly choleric and deranged nonsensical babble-mumble to see what dismal creature you are”.

            So, the real answer is; You got nothing, nota-Squat.

            Swinestein: “Keep jumping like flea from comment to comment and spawn your poisoning satanic hate”.

            So in Conclusion, Hate, Homophobia, Bigotry, Sexually Deniable and Propaganda-The essence of Alondra.

            Just like with Pravda and Izvestia, the is no truth or news with Baby-back.

            Start the smoker, get an apple for her mouth and break out the beer boys-it’s Bar-B-Q time!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Where in the world is there an order to be “positive” or “uplifting” on your definition?

  • Dave

    I am just so glad Ben is here to judge who is a good feminist… Afterall, men know best right ladies? They should be able to tell you what to do with your bodies, who you should love and how to live your life..
    if only you women would stop being so uppity…People like Ben would have a higher self-worth and esteem.

    • CSHJ

      He’s entitled to his opinion and mine is just about the same. I’m a woman and there isn’t a woman in that bunch that is worthy of being looked up to. The women that I admire are stay at home mom’s and especially the stay a home moms that take their kids out of public school to home school them. Those kids just might save this country. For sure the feminists won’t…….they kill their kids.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Dave are you not a man so why are you complaining about Ben being able to discern what is a woman or a feminist.

      • Dave

        No complaints NADS… Just curious what brought Huma Abedin into the ream of “feminist icons”… Or maybe Ben is pulling names from his hind quarters…

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “They should be able to tell you what to do with your bodies, who you should love and how to live your life”.
      Just exactly what choice do you and your fellow Liberal Progressives offer women, Dave, besides the Choice to Kill their unborn babies?
      Certainly not Healthcare Choice.
      Certainly not Energy Choice.
      Certainly not the Choice of their own Charity.
      Certainly not the Choice to spend all of their Own Money.

      Here’s a thoughtful article by a young lady from Missouri who would recognize Dave and his fellow Liberal Progressives for the hypocrites that they are:
      http://www.lstribune.net/opinion/democrats-not-pro-all-choices.htm

      • Dave

        DaveH,
        You are a liar once again. Nobody WANTS abortion… If only conservatives (religious based) could get their heads out of their butts and offer free contraception, sex ed (for both men and women) and teach both men and women how to be responsible for their actions… (the man is the first to run away and not deal with thefact that he could not have the self control to engage in the sex act and the responsibilities that come with pregnancy)
        Something conservatives rarely discuss. the man’s responsibility in all this… they are more concerned with keeping women down. Since most conservatives have no clue about the phyical and emotional toll it takes to have an abortion, they continue to talk out of their butts on the subject, like DaveH is doing now and he can’t even stay on the subject because his position is so week…

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          More Dave logic (or lack thereof) — “You are a liar once again. Nobody WANTS abortion”.
          I didn’t say they did, Dave. So how can I be lying about something I didn’t say?
          Also if your statement “Nobody WANTS abortion” was true, then Pro Choice would make no sense, would it?
          Good grief, Dave, you are incredibly ignorant, aren’t you? How did you manage to graduate High School?

          • Dave

            its obvious by your blind devotion to that theory of yours that you didn’t graduate middle school…
            The point went by… you missed it again.

    • Ron r

      You can go to the Illinois bar web site, and you can go to fact check, liberal (some say) politifact conservative. ( some say) the problem with this as well as other lies from bit sides is that you do not have to prove that a lie is the truth. That’s why you have birthers , and others.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    The Weiners can’t follow the “Clintons playbook”, because Willy successfully denied ALL his adulterous activities, and hillary was actively helping him. And hillary was First “lady” and a Secretary of state.

    But Tony Weiner does not deny, nor his “wife” Huma does. She “forgives” him, because the muslim brotherhood said her that Tony MUST stay in the race for the NY Mayor. They need Huma be a “Mayor”.

    P.S. The Clintons are furious at the MSM’s comparisons to Weiner’s sexual exposure and Huma’s “forgiveness” to the Clintons’ disgraceful White House scandal – that Huma is ‘standing by her man’ the way hillary did with Bill.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The Muslim Brotherhood cannot openly take over this country but it needs useful moles like O and the Clintons and Weiner, etc., to dig those tunnels for them to weaken the country and shape policy. Political offices in towns and cities are their entry points. What a coup it would be for Weiner/Huma to be Mayor of NY and then move on to Senator.

      • Ron r

        Yes and then president. Then we can get congress. Praise to the honorable Obama . Oh, and Snoop Dog of course.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Ron r, the “Worshipper” of O.

          • Ron r

            Yes , love brother O. Wish H Rap Brown was his vice.

    • Ron r

      Are you two just evil or evil idiots? Weiner has denounced the Palestinian ambassador as a terriost , said the Palestinians as occupiers of Israel land and have pretty much dehumanized them. I would say his wife is doing a pretty poor job for the brotherhood. But then you guys got that information from bat [EXPLETIVE DELETED] crazy M. Bachman.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Keep talking ron r. It’s very convincing.

        • Ron r

          You’ll love this one. Ronald Wilson Reagan had six letters in each of his names.666 he was the devil. Wow! Now I sound as craaazzzzz as a birther.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You sound “craaazzzzz” as any Liberal craaazzzzz.
            Please keep sound craaazzzzz.
            P.S. You can insult me craaazzzzz as a TRUHER as well.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            double post removed

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry Ron, but you passed that threshold a very long time ago.

  • Harold Olsen

    I thought standing by your man was supposed to be anti-feminist. Those nut jobs can’t seem to make up their minds what constitutes feminism and what doesn’t. If Huma were a Republican and married to a Republican, the feminists would be vilifying and ridiculing her. Hillary is treated like a feminist goddess. She’s only where she is because of who her husband is. If it weren’t for him, she’d be in Arkansas or someplace baking cookies. One of my favorite feminist moments was several years ago when the former president of NOW, Patricia what’s-her-name was giving a speech in which she spoke about how intelligent and smart women were. Then in the same speech she, basically, called women stupid. Here’s what she said. “All sex between men and women is rape. The reason why all sex between men and women is rape is because women only think they enjoy having sex with men.” In other words, she’s saying women are too stupid to know what they like. Another favorite moment was with the same woman. She was on MSNBC with Jerry Falwell and he kept referring to her as a lesbian. She finally got angry and pointed out to him that she had a husband. He responded that he knew that but she was living in another state with her lesbian lover. That shut her up. I’ve always wondered what shocked her more. That Falwell knew of her lesbian relationship or that she was outed on a cable news network. I heard later, though I don’t know for sure that it’s true, that this incident was why she lost the presidency of NOW. Feminists are supposed to embrace lesbianism and she was running from it.

    • Karolyn

      Who really cares?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You do because you read his comment and responded. Playing sour grapes or being coy today, Karolyn?

        • Karolyn

          What I am saying is who cares what this woman, whoever she was, had to say or did with her life. The problem with anti-feminists is that they use extremists to support their view, just like people use extremist Muslims or any other extremists to support their hatred of a certain group of people.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        People with the MORAL virtues. But you do not know what it is. Keep living with your lesbian partner. We really do NOT care. But do not push IMMORALITY on us.

        “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts…” (Matt. 15:19)

        “…you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.” (James 4:16)

        “Between GOOD and EVIL there is no reconciliation.”– Alexander
        Soljenitsen

  • villageidiot

    These so-called icons are the reason why there are so many men who have such a poor opinion of women in general. If these are role models for the female species of the world, then real women should feel grievously slighted! That is exactly the same as men seeing Obama as a role model for men. Ugh!

    • FreedomFighter

      The definition of “female icon” sure has changed, I liked it when “Men were Men and women liked it that way.” That list look like a who is who of evil and corruption and twisted values.
      Ronald Reagan might be a role model for a man in politics or George Washington, even Jefferson or Kennedy, Obama is a role model of what not to be as a president.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Richard Gibbard

    The Obama and Clinton women, despite their marriages to presidents, are no ladies.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But what the two “are married to” could not pass for men. Women do use men like O and Clinton as stepping stones to power.

      • Ron r

        And who did you step on ??????

    • Doc Sarvis

      Richard Gibbard, why would you say that?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why do you even ask such a question?

  • gomurr

    Michelle’s promising law career became less promising when she “voluntarily” surrendered her law license. This is done to avoid prosecution or going in front of the Bar for wrong doing.

    I’m certainly no fan of Jane’s (or any of the others), but when she says, “It wasn’t long, however, before I found myself bumping up against certain literal, patriarchal aspects of Christian orthodoxy that I found difficult to embrace,” I believe she is referring to the patriarchal restraints that are dominant in many Christian denominations; the structure of organized religion. I’ve personally always felt organized religion, in most cases, has very little to do with personal knowledge of God. I’m sure I’ll get hung for saying that, but oh, well.
    Anger and a true dislike of men seems to be what passes for feminism today, along with the right to kill that parasitic entity, regardless of whether or not it’s already taken it’s first steps, that is causing a dangerous medical condition, and smothering her social life.

    • Ron r

      Please tell us what wrong doing M. Obama did. Be specific. In fact tell us what the two of them.

      • Nadzieja Barki

        You already know your “goddesses” and their failures and the damage they do but you will still bow down and worship them. Having shrines put in to them?

        • Ron r

          So you don’t know why the two of them turned in their licenses and what charges the reich claim they were facing? Instead you would rather write insults in a feeble attempt to avoid the question. I await your next hateful response .

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You admitted MO did wrong and had to give up her license. But her case was rather egregious even to the DEMS/PROGS/LEFTISTS who are majority on the Bar Associations.
            No, she was no poor little darling being picked on by those nasty Republicans.

          • Ron r

            What did she do? And don’t give me the samurai response because that has been debunked long ago.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Wrong, wrong, wrong! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Dave

            And DaveH samurai… He is a atheist. Poor DaveH gets kicked out of the patriot club for not being religious…
            Don’t conservatives love to talk about liberty and freedom? Their record is just crappy when it comes to letting those who disagree have their liberty and freedom.

          • flashy

            Ad…why don’t you check online with the Illinois Bar records? The withdrawal of bar membership by both Obamas is clearly detailed. I know you’ll be depressed discovering the truth and both were in good standing and no sanctions, investigation, or complaints on record. BTW …The withdrawal of membership is not unusual. N

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why don’t you link to that information, Flashman, so the average reader, who knows that your credibility is as low as the number of your personalities is high, can see your source?

          • Ron r

            You guys would not know the truth if god sit you down and told you. You would god fact checked by breibart, beck , or Bachman.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So are your words of the day “hateful response”?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Here is a list of everything he is against.
          http://www.aclj.org/in-god-we-trust/complete-idiots-guide-religious-heritage
          http://www.keepgodinamerica.com/firstprayer.asp
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter…the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence.”
          Daniel Webster
          American statesman
          “Defender of the Constitution”
          Devout Christian

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        She was being investigted for defrauding her clients, but decided to give up her license. This kept her from facing possible criminal charges by the Illinois State Bar. Not a good example of a woman or an American. Here is something else about Michelle bin Laden.
        http://www.wtpotus.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/michelle-obama-uses-bogus-social-security-numbers/#more-14819
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a facist dictatorship, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”
        Herman Goering
        Reich Marshal
        Nuremberg Trials

        • Ron r

          And you need to fact check you Internet viral trash before calling it the truth. This junk has been debunked over two years ago. But a good Christian samurai like yourself never let’s the truth get in the way of a lie. You need to start loving yourself while you are loving god country and the lies and hatred you sprew here in the name of Christianity .

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Care to cite a source on this? Nice try at duck and cover, but you failed miserably. Here is something about a woman that had God change her life. Too bad Michelle bin Laden doesn’t believe.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/worlds-hottest-porn-star-gives-life-to-god/
            Here is an article from a better woman than Michelle bin Laden.
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/27/Palin-Blasts-Cowardly-Obama-for-Calling-Admin-s-Scandals-Phony
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “You this day have received a public education, the purpose thereof hath been to qualify you the better to serve your Creator and your country.”
            William Samuel Johnson

          • Ron r

            I’m going to refer to you as Bachman # 2 because that lady is an idiot also. Site your source , oh you did, breibart, oh snap , I’m LMAO here. Breibart, isn’t that poor bastard rooting in hell?? And you site them as a source. My god you could not ding one independent source? Of course not , they would tell you the truth and you are not looking got that. God and country my a// you use the moniker of samurai U.S. forces set the raising sun and crushed the phony hype of the samurai. Or murders Inc.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Ron, for adding yet another example of a Liberal Progressive for the readers to learn from. Are there any of you guys at all who have a modicum of common sense or cognitive ability?

          • Ron r

            Well I’m sure smart guys like you hang around Internet blogs to educate I always wondered who guys like Beck, Limbuagh and Hannity learned from. Who would have thunk it. Academia and I landed right in the middle of it. Well golly!!

          • Ron r

            Well I’m sure smart guys like you hang around Internet blogs to educate I always wondered who guys like Beck, Limbuagh and Hannity learned from. Who would have thunk it. Academia and I landed right in the middle of it. Well golly!!

          • Ron r

            You’re funny.

          • JeffH

            Ron r, Dave H asked you to provide the proof that you claim debunked samurai’s accusations.
            Your opinions and conjecture don’t count!

          • Ron r

            Neither does hers or briebarts!! I answered Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You did? Where?

          • Jeff

            Let me get this straight. Faque Samurai makes a crazy accusation, Ron r says “b.s.” and the burden of proof is on him? Only in Right Wing Kookville.

          • JeffH

            Speaking of kooks, how ya doing today unhinged Jeff?

            I thought you’d appreciatesome pictures of my newest addition to my family
            http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/Hattles1/library/#/user/Hattles1/library/A%20day%20at%20thr%20Range?sort=3&page=1&_suid=1375307939202048217255815388943

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ron said — “This junk has been debunked over two years ago”.
            We’re simply asking for proof of that claim. Is that too difficult for you to understand, Jeff?

          • Jeff

            You’re claiming she was disbarred due to a criminal act. Shouldn’t the burden be on you to produce actual evidence? And by evidence I don’t mean some video of a right winger inferring there must be something there. That wouldn’t be evidence – even in Florida.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Has it been debunked? I surely don’t know. Could you post some evidence for that claim, Ron?
            Note that I’m not proclaiming you to be wrong. I’m just curious.

    • Ron r

      M. Obama turned in her license because she was leaving the state and this is a customary practice . Now site your reich wing source . And fact check your statement.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What your snarling means is that you don’t the answer yourself but by snarling you believe you can intimidate.

        • Ron r

          You stated she was under investigation , I ask for what and specifics. You have failed to provide either. Now you say I’m trying to intimidate ? Just show me the money’s s why you are at it. Please tell me your source for wieners wife’s Muslim brotherhood connection? I don’t want to be intimidating , but please be specific, PLEASE.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron r,

            You write: “You stated she (Obama) was under investigation , I ask for what and specifics… Please tell me your source for wieners wife’s Muslim brotherhood connection?” The information for both of these is readily available for anyone who wants the truth. I know you don’t and are either too lazy or too ignorant to seek it if you did, so here it is, not so much for your sake, but for the sake of others who truly want to know.

            Regarding the Obama’s law licenses: Gary North explains it well here. http://www.lewrockwell.co/2012/09/gary-north/lost-law-licenses-presidents-obama-clinton-and-nixon/

            Regarding Huma Abedin’s connections to the Muslim
            Brotherhood: The now-deposed former Egyptian president Mohammed Mors is defacto head of the Muslim Brotherhood and who the Egyptian opposition Muslim Brotherhood is clamoring for because he was arrested by the Egyptian military. Morsi’s wife served in the women’s division of the Muslim Brotherhood with Saleha Mahmood Abedin. Abedin’s daughter is Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and the wife of disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner.

            And to show you how little difference there is between Dems and Repubs, especially regarding Islamsists, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was also on very friendly terms with women’s division and invited them into the White House.

            http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/02/removing-the-scales/

            You previously stated “M. Obama turned in her license because she was leaving the state and this is a customary practice.” It is not customary practice and serves no purpose unless one is seeking to avoid penalty or censure.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Bob Livingston, Ron r is not interested in the answers you gave him or my answers. Ron r believes he can trap people in their words. Let him wear himself out.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Nadzieja Batki,

            You write: “Ron r is not interested in the answers you gave him or my answers.” You are correct and I understand that. The answers were not for his benefit because I knew he would not benefit from them. They were for those who haven’t been corrupted by the false paradigm, or are looking for a way out of it, and are seeking truth.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Jeff

            What false paradigm? The need for evidence?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff, surely you kid? When have you provided evidence for any of your regular conjecture?

          • Dave

            But your conjecture that you supply is somehow valid?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel free to ask for proof of any assertion that I make, Dave.

          • Dave

            http://mises.org/daily/1677
            Here is one of your “sources” huge amounts of conjecture that you accuse everyone else of providing. Personally, I don’t believe you read any of the stuff you link to.

          • Ron r

            Dear Bob,thanks for your response . Funny you would send me to another ultra right/Reich wing source to verify a lie. If you are a birther you have 0 credibility in the real world. Now either you are ignorent or too lazy to attempt an escape from you right wing bubble and join the rest of America in reality. If you disagree with the presidents politics then fine. Express your disagreements. But to , oh , never mind you are a birther.

            Best wishes ,

            Ron r

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron r,

            You write: ” Funny you would send me to another ultra right/Reich wing source to verify a lie.” Funny you cannot refute the facts contained therein, not that I expected you to be able to.

            You write: ” If you are a birther you have 0 credibility in the real world.” More facts you are unable to refute: the photoshopped birth certificate, the forged selective service registration document, the multiple SS numbers and the multiple aliases.

            You write: “Express your disagreements. But to , oh , never mind you are a birther.” Argument to ridicule is not a cogent response.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Ron r

            Stop it Bob I’m at a VA clinic and a few other vets and me are laughing so hard we may get put out tell you what post the many SSNumbers you have and send them to Russ Limbaugh , maybe he will beleive you now.

            Best wishes,

            Ron

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron r,

            Argument to ridicule. Another logical fallacy. It’s a non-response. Come to think of it, considering all of your responses and comments, you should change your name to Ron logical fallacy. You can find it in the dictionary under “L”.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • WTS/JAY

            Ron logical fallacy? I think that’s a keeper, Mr. Livingston. (-:

          • Ron r

            Jay have any more news from the euro union times. That skinhead paper you cherish.

          • WTS/JAY

            The only one who seems to read the “euro union times”…? is you, Logical Fallacy Ron. I wasn’t aware that such a paper even existed, until you mentioned it, 4 times! Something you would like to share with us skinhead…er, i mean, Logical Fallacy Ron?

          • Ron r

            Did not intend to ridicule Bob, we just don’t take birthers serious.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron Logical Fallacy,

            You write: “Did not intend to ridicule Bob, we just don’t take birthers serious.” I notice that you don’t take any information “serious” that is contrary to conventional wisdom and your preconceived and false paradigm. That’s the definition of a sheeple. I have written about you. http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • WTS/JAY

            Ron r: Did not intend to ridicule Bob, we just don’t take thinking-people seriously.

          • WTS/JAY

            Sometimes its difficult to discern if people are laughing with you, or at you, Ron logical fallacy…pay closer attention, you may be surprised. (-:

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Since we have no way of proving that you are at the VA clinic and we did not ask where you were located, you are simply lying.

          • Ron r

            Since you have no way of proving most of what you post you are simply a lying idiot.

          • Jeff

            Lots of suspicion, lots of conspiracy theories, zero evidence. Typical right wing nonsense. You guys are convinced Michelle is a criminal but you have not one shred of evidence she’s been accused of anything, let alone charged. Where is an accuser? A co-conspirator? A newspaper article? You’re going to rely on Lew Rockwell, the guy who edited and likely wrote many of the racist garbage in Ron Paul’s newsletters?
            What a joke! If you tried to write this kind of garbage at a newspaper, the editor would send you back to an 8th grade journalism class.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            She hasn’t been charged because it’s all relative and we live in a Society of Criminals, like you, Jeff:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “You’re going to rely on Lew Rockwell, the guy who edited and likely wrote many of the racist garbage in Ron Paul’s newsletters?”.
            Can you substantiate any of your claims, Slanderous Jeff?

          • Dave

            Any real evidence Bob? See your move is to refernce other conspiracy theorists as if that validates what you say. Sorry Bob, you’d make a crappy lawyer but you could be the next Billy Mays…
            Just give the willing some more red meat… They like being all angry all the time. You don’t do anything for the country or society but then do you really care?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What are Conspiracy Theorists? Anybody who exposes Liberal Progressives for the manipulative, thieving, controlling, and dishonest people that they are.

          • Dave

            Proof by Bald Assertion… Name calling… Typical from a conservative

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Just the facts, Dave. And you Liberal Progressives prove me correct every day.

          • Dave

            Where is your “facts” DaveH in your assertion

            “Liberal Progressives… the manipulative, thieving, controlling, and dishonest people that they are.”
            You presented two things to back your BS up… Jack and squat.
            You are a BS artist and a propagandist. I hope Bob pays you well to sell his BS.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Name calling is a form of manipulation, Dave. So is ridicule and many other things you Liberal Progressives practice on a daily basis. Therefore, you are manipulative.
            Taking money from unwilling donors is theft, Dave, no matter how many people you enlist to do the taking for you. Therefore, you are a thief.
            You assert control over other peoples’ lives on a daily basis, telling them what Healthcare to choose, what energy to choose, what cars to choose, etc. etc. etc.
            Therefore, you are controlling.
            You lied and called me a “propagandist” in this post, and your lies are not uncommon, Dave. Therefore, you are dishonest.

          • Dave

            If you have HC already, you keep your own and everything continues as before, only that the insurance companies can’t make ridiculous profits of the sick. Also if you have a pre-existing condition, you can’t be denied coverage.
            The ACA stipulates that if you can afford HC insurance, you get it… its called being part of a society as if you know what that means…. its NO different than the Gov telling you to get auto insurance if you drive a car.
            You are a propagandist… mises is not law, fact or anything else but an opinion based on a bygone era before industrialization and globalization. But buy into it as your boss BobL does. You are dishonest and a liar. I do not call you a fascist just because you are not liberal. Those kinds of tactics are reserved for ultra-right wing conservative/corporatists like yourself

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: Where is your “facts” DaveH in your assertion”Liberal Progressives… the manipulative, thieving, controlling, and dishonest people that they are.”
            You presented two things to back your BS up… Jack and squat.

            How about, Detroit?

          • WTS/JAY

            I think you are suffering from a severe case of “Obamanites of the brain”, Dave! This condition causes you to see everyone as Obama. I suppose you think i’m Obama also, don’t you?

            So you see, you’re comment to Mr. Livingston is actually a comment to Obama. Here, let me assist you.

            What you really meant to say, but your condition “Obamanites of the brain” prevented you;

            Any real evidence Obama? See your move is to refernce other conspiracy theorists as if that validates what you say. Sorry Obama, you’d make a crappy lawyer but you could be the next Billy Mays…

            Just give the willing some more red meat… They like being all angry all the time. You don’t do anything for the country or society but then do you really care?

            First session is free, Dave. Cheers!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            One big ad hominem attack.
            What evidence can you provide to the contrary, Dave?

          • Dave

            I know a court of law is beyond you but its not up to me to disprove BobL’s BS accusations…
            This is America, not the country you are typing from…

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Huma’s Family:
            Huma Abedin’s brother — Hassan Abedin — is a fellow at the Oxford Center for Islamic Studies, or the OCIS. Its Chairman of the Board, get this, is clearly documented as none other than the infamous Al-Qaeda Godfather: Abdullah Omar Naseef!

            Huma Abedin’s mother — Saleha Abedin — is one of 63 leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot, the Muslim Sisterhood, and is a close colleague of Egypt’s new First Lady — Najla Mahmoud. Mahmoud is one of the 63 Sisterhood leaders as well as the wife of Mohamed Morsi, who is a leader in the Muslim Brotherhood and newly elected president of Egypt!

            Moreover, both of Huma’s parents — Saleha and Zyed Abedin, now deceased, founded the Institute for Muslim Minority Affairs (IMMA) with the help of none other than al-Qaeda Godfather Abdullah Omar Naseef! This means, conclusively, that Huma Abedin’s FATHER, MOTHER, and BROTHER all have or have had very CLOSE connections to both the Muslim Brotherhood AND Al-Qaeda financiers!

          • Ron r

            One of my 7 children I put out of my house when they were 15 years old because they thought selling drugs was hip. 3of the 7 have college degrees two have masters. 1 is in nursing school and another is going back to college . So are you saying because some Muslims are bad they all are?? Well are you.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            We are not talking about ALL muslims. We are talking about Huma Abedin and her and her family connection to the MBH in general and to the Egyptian MBH in particular.

            When you’ll STOP to change the topic?
            Changing the topic you can’t change the TRUTH.

          • Ron r

            No, you stop . Are you saying that because people in her family may have been Muslim brotherhood , that makes her an automatic member ? BTW you have not displayed any other side of yourself than the side that dislikes all Muslims . But islamaphobia Is popular in reich wing circles.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron Logical fallacy,

            Two in one response: non sequitur and straw man.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Nadzieja, copy and file the information I posted above for Ron r. I hope it will be useful in the future.

          • Ron r

            We will agree to disagree.

      • WTS/JAY

        No! She turned in her licence because she didn’t want to practice any longer…that’s the only reason!

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Ron r says: “M. Obama turned in her license because she was leaving the state and this is a customary practice.”

        That is a Left-wing facsists/kommunist LIE.
        Now I am going to give you a FACT check FACT:

        From the ARDC (Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois)
        http://jdlong.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/obama-michelle-law-license.jpg

        Full Licensed Name: michelle obama
        Full Former name: michelle lavaughn robinson
        Date of Admission as Lawyer by Illinois Supreme Court: May 12, 1989
        Illinois Registration Status: Voluntary inactive and NOT AUTHORIZED to practice law – Last Registered Year: 1993
        Malpractice Insurance: No malpractice report required as ATTORNEY IS ON COURT ORDERED inactive status

        She “VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED” her license in 1993.

        Let me explain what that means. A “Voluntary Surrender” is not something where you decide you do not need your license any more or you just forget to renew your license. No, a
        “VOLUNTARILY SURRENDER” is something you DO WHEN YOU’VE BEEN ACCUSED OF SOMETHING, and you ‘voluntarily surrender” your license about five seconds before the state suspends (or DISBARS) you. And she SURRENDERED her license by a Supreme Court ORDER!!!

        P.S. Now you can deny or twist and distort the FACTS as you please.

        Best wishes, ALONDRA

        • Ron r

          First off right wingers are fascist. There is no record that either Obama was facing any charges . So here is the truth. You hate them on a personal level so much that a simple jay walk is a death penalty case for you. No amount. Of TRUTH could change your mind . Hell I could show you my proof along with briebart and the Internet e- mail guy who started this lie that it was Obama and not OJ. With that I’ll put your lie to rest. You’ve been hoodwinked, bamboozled , lead astray.

    • WTS/JAY

      gomurr: Michelle’s promising law career became less promising when she “voluntarily” surrendered her law license. This is done to avoid prosecution or going in front of the Bar for wrong doing.

      Hmm, i don’t think that’s correct, gommur.

      According to my research:

      Records listed at the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois list her status as “voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law.”

      It further states that Michelle’s license is “on court ordered inactive status.”

      James Grogan, deputy administrator and chief counsel for the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, or ARDC, has been with the commission for 30 years. He told WND that on July 1, 1994, the Illinois Supreme Court entered an order allowing Michelle to be transferred to inactive status pursuant to Illinois Supreme Court rule 770.

      The ARDC website explains, “Prior to November 1, 1999, former Supreme Court Rule 770 provided for a proceeding in the Court for any voluntary transfer to inactive status, whether because of some incapacitating condition or solely as a matter of the lawyer’s preference because the lawyer would not be practicing law.”

      Grogan explained, “At the time, the only way to go on inactive status was to do what she did – which was to file a petition in the Illinois Supreme Court.”

      He said attorneys often filed a petition for 770 when they wanted to pursue other careers, retire or begin raising a family.

      “At the time, this happened all the time,” he said. “Our office would have to file what’s known as a consent.”

      Grogan said his office would have immediately alerted the court in a public filing if there had been reason to believe she should face disciplinary action.

      “We filed a consent in Michelle Obama’s case in which we had no objection to her transferring to inactive status,” he said. “In the event that she did go on inactive status and she engaged in any disbarrable offenses, there would be a disciplinary case of public record.”

      He continued, “Just because someone goes on inactive it doesn’t deprive us of the jurisdiction to prosecute.”

      Inundated by numerous 770 filings that each required a separate court ruling, the Illinois Supreme Court later simplified the inactivation process. In 2005, after Barack Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, he changed his status to inactive as well…

      source:http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/105998/#3dLJrmCqIUmUD7iC.99

  • Al Chemist

    I would have left Lady Di out of this top 10. She did, after all, put some ‘genes’ into that family that were sorely needed. Also, how can you ignore that genius Maxine Waters when she’s done so much for feminism?

  • Alex

    Rather than continue exhibiting the “Right” Wing’s ignorance of and contempt for women and the role models they chose by throwing mud at your favorite targets, why not let your readers know about the women you DO admire, Ben?

    Are there any women you look up to besides Eva Braun, Brenda Lee Spencer, Aileen Wournos, and Ann Coldturd? Oh yeah, and your mother who lets you tape your inane Saturday Morning Funhouse in her basement?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I am curious why you have such contempt for your father and men in general that you have to replace them and their functions with women.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Eva Braun was a Socialist, Alex, like you.

      Ever hear of these women, Alex?
      Tonie Nathan, Nancy Lord, Jo Jorgensen?
      Of course you haven’t because they were all vice presidential candidates for the Libertarian Party (1972, 1988, and 1992). Neither the Democrat Leaders nor the Republican Leaders want a Free Market candidate to get elected because it would upset their Crony Capitalists.

      • nc

        Aboriginal Dave H. I can’t speak for Alex but I am a Social Security Socialist, a Medicare socialist, and a Medicade socialist!
        I can also say what I want to, write what I want to, and travel where I want to. I have no fear of being arrested for my beliefs nor my possessions being confiscated! These rights make me proud of my membership in a party that got us to this point! It was not automatic! I can name the members of my party that got us here!
        Can you name the members of your party that have contributed to our position as number one in the world or have created a society elsewhere where you would rather reside??

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          NC says — “I can name the members of my party that got us here!”.
          Yay. NC can name the people in his party who got us to our current economic malaise and lack of Freedom.
          Do you mean your Freedom to help yourself to other people’s money using Government as your Proxy Thieves, NC?
          Do you mean your Freedom to dictate other peoples’ Healthcare choices, NC?
          Do you mean your Freedom to dictate other peoples’ Energy choices, NC?
          Freedom isn’t defined, NC, by what you like or don’t like. So I could care less if your choices are still Free.

          • NC

            Aboriginal Dave, did you miss the question at the end of my last post! You can be critical of the leadership that got us here but you can’t name a SINGLE true conservative leader connected to whatever success this country has achieved!
            That this country is bound to fail is your guess! It may even be your desire! But those of us who have some knowledge of how others in the world live are very grateful for the bounty that is ours , the sacrifices that got us here and the contributions and names of OUR LEADERS who lead the way!
            The fact that you equate the belief that taxes have lessened the jingle of coins in your purse to a “failure of our country” is a personal problem not shared by every one
            People with paranoia lessen their freedoms by the false fears of their own minds like those who would not sail the oceans because of the false fear of a flat earth! Remember??? That is, until the progressive thinkers, proved them wrong!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, I did not miss your inane question, NutCase. I just saw no purpose in wasting my time to answer it.

            NutCase says — “You can be critical of the leadership that got us here but you can’t name a SINGLE true conservative leader connected to whatever success this country has achieved!”.
            That is because Leaders can only inhibit our success. They can not create it. Leaders are here to feather their own nests, and anything else they do is strictly for show to mislead ignorant people like yourself, NutCase, so they can get your vote.
            If Leaders were conducive to success, then the countries with the most Leadership would also be the most Prosperous, but anybody with half-a-brain can see from this ranking of countries that it is just the opposite:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • KG

            Who do you follow?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nobody who isn’t pointing a gun at me.

          • Dave

            Bob Livingston is pointing a gun at you? because you fall all over yourself when it comes to Bob and just as I thought. DaveH is all about DaveH. He could care or less about the United States of America or society. As long as Bob L and DaveH and their additional followers get left alone as the use all the infrastructure of this country that those dreaded taxes pay for.
            DaveH if taxes are theft and you hate government….then leave… leave and live in Somalia. If you insist in living in the United States of America (if you actually leave here) then you have a responsibility to our society and those who have come before and those who come after.

          • Dave

            Bob Livingston is pointing a gun at you? because you fall all over yourself when it comes to Bob and just as I thought. DaveH is all about DaveH. He could care or less about the United States of America or society. As long as Bob L and DaveH and their additional followers get left alone as the use all the infrastructure of this country that those dreaded taxes pay for.
            DaveH if taxes are theft and you hate government….then leave… leave and live in Somalia. If you insist in living in the United States of America (if you actually leave here) then you have a responsibility to our society and those who have come before and those who come after.

          • KG

            I was taught in English class that a sentence with a double negative actually cancels out each other. Its an obscurification technique used by people who want to hide ones true meaning. So, if i were to apply this same rule to your statement, what would it say?

            Somebody who is pointing a gun at me.

            Well, I would as well. Just ask any of those survivors of the Battan Death march.

            But I want to know, who is pointing a gun at you now?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NutCase says — “That this country is bound to fail is your guess! It may even be your desire! But those of us who have some knowledge of how others in the world live are very grateful for the bounty that is ours , the sacrifices that got us here and the contributions and names of OUR LEADERS who lead the way!”.
            No NutCase, I don’t desire that our country fails, but I predict that it will because there are too many ignoramuses like yourself who haven’t taken the time to learn economics and do the tough critical thinking that it takes to change that condition.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          NC says — “Aboriginal Dave H”.
          Funny how the people like NC, who will take us back to the days of Serfdom, will refer to us Freedom Lovers as Primitive.
          What else could we expect from the upside-down world of Liberal Progressives?

          • Jeff

            I fail to see any connection between nc’s posts and serfdom, but I do see a connection between your ideas and a Dickensian nightmare. Explain to us how, for the vast majority in the 19th Century, their condition was appreciably better than those of serfs. The ordinary working man didn’t see any appreciable improvement in his standard of living or in his economic power until the 20th Century. Why do you guys define freedom only in terms of the amount of “freedom” enjoyed by those who would appear to need it least – the highly talented, the lucky, and the dishonest who all find a way to rise to the top? What “freedom” is left to everyone else? The freedom to work for Robber Barons who can exploit them at will? The freedom to starve?
            It’s very simplistic to talk about freedom of contract and assume everyone can make his own agreements and how the exchange of labor for pay is no different from any other business agreement between two equals. It’s very simple and straightforward, but it doesn’t reflect reality. All that stands between your ideas and a majority is what people perceive as reality (i.e. that the powerful can and will take advantage of the weak unless impeded in some way by society). Saying the market will take care of it is like “assuming all other factors to be equal.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Explain to us how, for the vast majority in the 19th Century, their condition was appreciably better than those of serfs. The ordinary working man didn’t see any appreciable improvement in his standard of living or in his economic power until the 20th Century”.
            Your comment makes no sense, Jeff. First you say their condition was appreciably better, than you say there was no appreciable improvement in their standard of living. Do you have any evidence to back up your conjecture that “The ordinary working man didn’t see any appreciable improvement in his standard of living or in his economic power until the 20th Century”, Jeff?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “The freedom to work for Robber Barons who can exploit them at will?”.
            Typical Propaganda from Jeff. Some reality:
            http://mises.org/daily/2317

            Jeff says — “Why do you guys define freedom only in terms of the amount of “freedom” enjoyed by those who would appear to need it least – the highly talented, the lucky, and the dishonest who all find a way to rise to the top?”.
            We don’t define Freedom to be anything more than the Freedom to control your own body and property, Jeff. What you do with that Freedom is your own problem.

            Jeff says — “It’s very simplistic to talk about freedom of contract and assume everyone can make his own agreements and how the exchange of labor for pay is no different from any other business agreement between two equals. It’s very simple and straightforward, but it doesn’t reflect reality”.
            Whose reality, Jeff? Yours? You are simplistic. If we truly had Freedom, it is that simple. People would decide for themselves who to purchase from, who to work for, and what kind of work they wanted to do. If you didn’t want to make the effort to evaluate products before buying, you could join a club, or subscribe to a magazine or some other kind of service which would do that work for you. Certainly that would be cheaper and at least as reliable as trusting a Government official, who has a secure job and no need to please you, to do that for you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “All that stands between your ideas and a majority is what people perceive as reality”.
            Wow, Jeff says something factual. Indeed, the problem with Freedom is educating those who have been brainwashed with decades of public school education and the captured Media.
            That’s what we’re here for, but the Propagandists like Jeff are here to prevent us from accomplishing that.

          • WTS/JAY

            TOD: That’s what we’re here for, but the Propagandists like Jeff are here to prevent us from accomplishing that.

            So the question then, is why; why would propagandists like Jeff try to prevent us from accomplishing that? I know i know, rhetorical question…!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Is that you life’s Mantra “I WANT” “I TAKE”? How is it possible that you are a child, shouldn’t you have grown up and have been taught that you must work for what you have otherwise you become a THIEF.

      • Jeff

        They could run Alfred E. Newman, Eva Braun, or you for V.P. because the party is irrelevant.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You’re irrelevant, Jeff. I’ve proved that time after time.

          • Jeff

            Well, it’s true I have the same likelihood of being President as someone carrying the banner of the Libertarian Party, so if that’s the measure of relevance, we’re in the same boat. As for what you’ve “proven,” I guess you’ve proven a lot to yourself and your deeply disturbed flock. Give my regards to Alondra and the Ridge Rat.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah Jeff, and you have about the same chance of testing in the 90th percentile. But since you are the majority, we will probably be stuck with sliding down into the black hole with you.

          • WTS/JAY

            I think that would make Jeff very happy. You know, misery loves company?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He’s also very blissful.

    • TML

      Apparently he admires Margaret Thatcher; a Brit – go figure – who did nothing to advance women’s rights and even seen as an enemy of feminists.
      Strange no one has mentioned Susan B Anthony who practically wrote the 19th Amendment.

  • Alex

    Jane Fonda had the guts to call our Air Force bombers exactly what they were: Terrorists

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I would rather have those Air Force bombers than that disease bearing and passing hedonist Jane Fonda.

      • Karolyn

        “disease bearing?” What is that supposed to mean?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          There are texts on microbiology that even an idiot can understand. Go to them, Karolyn.

          • Karolyn

            You still haven’t answered my question. Exactly what disease(s) did she bear?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Showing yourself to be a thug, Karolyn. Demanding an answer. Go find the answer for yourself, Karolyn. You are quite capable of slogging through piles and piles of what was written.

          • Karolyn

            You have no answer because the only “disease” I have found in my research connected to her is bulimia.

          • WTS/JAY

            Bulimia is the “symptom”; Narcissism is the “cause” of Bulimia!

          • Karolyn

            If you say so, Dr. Jay.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Mental illness (INSANITY) and STD.

        • William McClure

          Sick- duhhhhhhhhhh!

        • Steve E

          Stupidity is a disease. I’ve seen it spread through humanity for the last 30 years.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Jane Fonda is a profit-seeking Free-Market-hating hypocrite. But what else would we expect from a Liberal Progressive?

      • Jeff

        She has more MONEY than you, Dave. I guess that means she’s more worthy than you are. Are you jealous?

        • WTS/JAY

          Are you?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Not at all. I have never envied anybody for their success. What I do disdain is those, like you, who will ride on other peoples’ unwilling backs.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      You would rather have a traitor than real Americans? Sheesh! I guess you would take Barabas over Jesus then, wouldn’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “Your first great duties, you are sensible, are those you owe to heaven, to your Creator, and Redeemer. Let these be ever present to your minds and exemplified in your lives and conduct.”
      William Samuel Johnson
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

    • WTS/JAY

      Yeah, but does she have the brains to realize she’s a twit?

  • CSHJ

    My, my, my, KG, you’re a real class act for a liberal.

  • ChuckS123

    I wonder if Huma, as a Muslim, tolerates her hubby shopping for wives # 2, 3, and 4?

    • JeffH

      She certainly tolerates(embraces) the Muslim Brotherhood.

    • WTS/JAY

      Polygamy is perfectly acceptable in the Muslim culture. So no, she wouldn’t mind it a bit.

  • Bill

    My My, what a filthy mouth you have there, KG. Is your photo of Carl Marx?

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    What motivates these women? Could it be this?
    http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

  • laura merrone

    What ten women, then, should we emulate as women? Just wondering about a positive perspective on the subject…

  • laura merrone

    What ten women, then, should we emulate as women? Just wondering about a positive perspective on the subject…

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I would say none. You have your own Individualism cultivate that. If you have a husband and children respond to them and their needs. You chose your husband, your created the children be responsive to both. Your character both of the good traits and the bad will be your Individualism. That Individualism makes dealing with people who cross our paths so much easier.

      • laura merrone

        You’re right, but human nature always wants to look at a few good examples too. There are many in the Bible, but not in our contemporary world. Of course, the contemporary world has tossed out the Bible and that’s why we don’t have any good examples today. The good examples are hidden from public view. I’ve been married 31 years and have two great children so I guess I am my own good example.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    KGB says — “However, his absolute antipathy for humanity still creeps out”.
    Unlike KGB who hasn’t met a person who he wouldn’t love. That is Love to Force his way on and Love to Ravage his/her wallet with his Communist agenda.

    • KG

      I’ve realized something about you, Dave. You tend to make statements of moralizing platitudes. Von Misies is right, not because hes technicaly right or has been shown to be right scientificaly, but hes right morally . At least in your moral world. You don’t call me a communist because your view is correct, you call me that because you think your view is morally superior. And as we all know, morality is nothing more than the ability to distinguish between good and bad – good and bad according to what YOU judge to be so.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Well, I am morally superior to you, KGB, but that doesn’t mean much. Charles Manson is probably morally superior to you.
        But morality aside, your communist agenda has been thoroughly refuted by historical evidence. What kind of people do the same thing over and over again, hoping for different results next time?

        • Dave

          How do you know this DaveH? Now you are an expert on how KG lives his life? More proof you are a fraud.

        • KG

          I agree with you. Just as Democracies as well as Republics. And let’s not forget the many failures of Capitalism. Capitalism has failed at least twice in the last 100 years. However, these shortcomings of man’s failure to govern himself doesn’t mean “government” is bad. Especially in this experiment of America. So far, America has adopted the best of what Democracy as well as Republics have to offer.

  • Doc Sarvis

    The Conservative War on Women continues.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The Progressive War on all people continues.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The Dems/Progs/Leftists War on Men continues. Why are you contributing to that war since you are supposedly a man?

    • Vigilant

      The leftist war on unborn children has taken and continues to take considerably more lives.

    • WTS/JAY

      The Progressive war on the Truth continues.

      • Ron r

        Jay, are you upset because the EUTs is a 21st century reich paper and you take them seriously? Because that is no laughing matter.

        • WTS/JAY

          Again with this paper? Are you trying to sell me a subscription?

        • WTS/JAY

          Again with this paper? Are you trying to sell me a subscription?

  • Nadzieja Batki@hotmail.com

    Lilith could have been one of the angels who was thrown out of heaven or she could have been an Nephilim offspring between a human mother and a “thrown out of heaven angel”. She couldn’t have been Adam’s wife by the wording in Genesis.

    Anyone pay attention in the 60’s and 70’s to what the Feminist Movement was breeding with their ideology. How those predatory cats hated women.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The Women’s Liberation movement was pushed by Government Leaders who were looking for a way to get women to work willingly, so as to mask the loss of family income that was occurring under the massive inflation that was created by the Federal Reserve’s profligate money creation and the Government’s wild Spending.
      Before the 70s, a one-worker family could easily make ends meet. After the 70s, most families needed both adults to work at the sacrifice of the well-being of the children. But then, why would the Progressives care about the children? If they did, they wouldn’t even dream of saddling those children with over $16 Trillion worth of debt that they didn’t even get to vote on.
      That made me curious about the number of employed between 1960 and 1980, so I went here:
      http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln
      selected “employment level – civilian labor force” and then entered the date range I was interested in (1960 to 1980), and got these results:
      In 1960 total civilian employment was 65,347,000.
      In 1970 total civilian employment was 78,780,000.
      In 1980 total civilian employment was 99,879,000.
      So the employment leaped over 50% in 20 years.
      That illustrates two points that I have made in the past, that are contrary to what so many ignorant people believe:
      1) There are as many jobs potentially available as people want, they just have to desire to work. Only Government meddling can inhibit that desire.
      2) Even with a 50% increase in employment (probably mostly new Women workers) the families were still having a very tough time making ends meet, because the Federal Government was Spending our money as fast as they could, and the Federal Reserve was decreasing our buying power with their profligate money creation.

      • WTS/JAY

        The “Sugar Daddies” Behind Feminism

        by Richard Evans

        The “Patriarchy” is the Plutocracy and it’s Funding Feminism!

        When big changes happen, follow the money. Feminist funding comes from big foundations. Google “Women’s Studies” and Rockefeller Foundation and you’ll get 132,000 links. Google “Women’s Studies” and Ford Foundation and you’ll get 217,000 links. Carnegie Foundation yields 197,000 links. They frequently acknowledge foundation funding and expose a massive social engineering program designed to reduce population, emasculate men and undermine the institutions of marriage & family.

        Yet, horror to tell, these foundations are dominated by men, not women…

        http://www.henrymakow.com/the_real_patriarchy_is_plutocr.html

  • Nadzieja Batki

    You mean you hate the fact that these people are smarter than you are. Malicious so and so like yourself won’t get any smarter by denigrating Ayn Rand or Ben Crystal or Ann Coulter.

  • Ynaed

    These are all women with positive aspects and negative ones, just like ANY human beings. No one should flat out admire a person without considering their negative aspects, but these negative aspects don’t mean that they have no positive ones! An article about which women SHOULD be icons would be much more useful…though I fear that it would reveal the writer’s misogynistic bias.
    That said, the bias is so strong here as to negate any useful comments made in the article. I suggest, for instance, that readers look into the real reasons for Ms. Fluke’s testimony, rather than summarizing Rush Limbaugh’s critique.

    • Nadzieja Battki

      We have here a rationalizing fence sitter. Lots of words, saying nothing.

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – What is it like to be rigid as a stick?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You didn’t read Ben Crystal’s article at all or your comprehension is so pitiful that you don’t realize you shouldn’t touch the keyboard.

          • Karolyn

            What does that have to do with the question I asked you?

        • WTS/JAY

          What, as opposed to a wet noodle? (-:

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Now, Karolyn, you’re making Jeff look bad.
          Jeff says — “you’ll find that however much you disagree with Karolyn, she tends to state her opinion with a minimum of name-calling”.

  • Karolyn

    A real feminist dances to the beat of her own drum, no matter what that is. There are so many inaccuracies in Crystal’s piece it’s ridiculous! For one thing, Hilary Clinton was not rich. For another Oprah is more than a lucky person who made it big and gives lots of stuff away. It would take far too much time to refute so much of what is in this article.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Where did you read that or hear that , Karolyn?

      • Karolyn

        I read her book. Her father owned a fabric store, but I don’t know about “rich”. I guess it depends on your view of “rich.” Her representation of her life did not come across as rich. She worked while in college and campaigned for Goldwater. She did start out as a Republican.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Your reading comprehension is nil.

          • Karolyn

            Right back at’cha

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No, Karolyn there is no back at me. You just showed yourself how childish and vicious you can become like a typical predator when it is cornered, all hiss and spit.

          • Karolyn

            Only the fact is that each time you respond to me I respond back with a smile on my face at your ridiculousness. Doesn’t sound like a vicious predator to me! :-)

          • WTS/JAY

            Said the smiling-Cobra…hisssssssss (-:

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That looks to me like the naive smile of an ignorant Liberal Progressive.

          • Jeff

            If you really want to be taken seriously as some sort of intellectual, might I suggest you refrain from engaging in such childish comments and agreements with the truly disturbed Nadzieja. (If she were a liberal, I’m sure many here would be making fun of her name and removing a few letters.) You may have to explain that to Jay and the Ridge Rat.

          • WTS/JAY

            If you really want to be taken seriously, Jeff, as some sort of intellectual, might I suggest you refrain from engaging in such childish comments and agreements with the truly disturbed Karolyn. (If she were a Conservative, I’m sure you and many of your disturbed-comrades would be making fun of her name and removing a few letters.) You may have to explain that to Ron and Alex. (-:

          • Jeff

            Polly want a cracker? For the record, if you examine the comments of Karolyn and that Nadzi person, you’ll find that however much you disagree with Karolyn, she tends to state her opinion with a minimum of name-calling. The same cannot be said for Nadzi.

          • Dave

            Jeff is telling the truth… Karolyn is about the most non-combative person here. Nads, Vicki, Jay, JeffH, DaveH. Ridge Runner, SC Murf, Samurai, FF… they immediately call names if you do not fall in line like a good little solider.
            But to them, their poop never stinks…

          • WTS/JAY

            Oh, you’re no angel, Dave. So get off your high-horse, you hypocrite!

          • Dave

            never said I was…. so get back in the corner with your dunce cap you sad little conservative wannabe

          • WTS/JAY

            Don’t you have innocent women and children to slaughter, infantry man…err i mean, Mindless-Puppet of the Imperialist-Regime!

          • Dave

            More slander and lies from another mindless conservative…how redudant…

          • WTS/JAY

            Ok, i’ll give you that one. But please don’t tell anyone…(-:

          • WTS/JAY

            Ok, i’ll give you that one. But please don’t tell anyone…(-:

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Listen to Jeff — a name-calling, non-credible Liberal Progressive giving me advice on how to be taken seriously. Pardon me, Jeff, while I ROFLMAO.

          • Dave

            So just so I am clear DaveH, you don’t name call correct? You never generalize anyone into a narrative that you try and forward? You never lie about anyone here?
            Is that about right?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “So just so I am clear DaveH, you don’t name call correct?”.
            I bring a gun to your gun-fights, Dave. Why should I treat somebody respectfully who doesn’t treat me that way?

            Dave says — “You never generalize anyone into a narrative that you try and forward?”.
            Huh?

            Dave says — “You never lie about anyone here?”.
            I don’t lie about anybody, here or anywhere else.
            Please feel free to provide evidence to the contrary, Dave.

          • Dave

            DaveH, when have you respected anyone for disagreeing with you?
            You will lie all day and tell any fool that will listen that I am a socialist, just becaise I call you on the theory, conjecture that is mises. That is the narrative that you try and put anyone who dares disagree with you and your boss.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I am respectful to those who are respectful to me, Dave. You would know that if you ever tried being respectful. Instead you make statements like “You will lie all day and tell any fool that will listen that I am a socialist”. It’s not a lie, Dave. It’s what we see from you almost daily. You stump for Big Government on a regular basis. Big Government is Socialistic by nature. Birds of a Feather Flock Together. You are a Socialist, Dave, so spare us your whining.

          • Dave

            And you are simply not telling the truth… anyone who dares question you… Its been proven time after time with new people… they get labeled as a liberal/progressive in your normal passive aggressive way.
            You call me a socialist. You are a liar. I have told you many times that the best gov found so far is a mix of capitalism and socialism. The United States since the industrial age is the example of that. But your limited experience cannot except there might be a medium somewhere.
            You are conservative/corporatist and anything besides absolutes is beyond your comprehension.

          • JeffH

            Carefull DaveH…remember to an ignorant progressive and liberal “opinions and conjecture” are their facts.

            Reality? NOT!

            FYI, I just finished my new AR and here’s a link to some pictures.
            http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/Hattles1/library/#/user/Hattles1/library/A%20day%20at%20thr%20Range?sort=3&page=1&_suid=1375307939202048217255815388943

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Very nice.

          • JeffH

            Thanks. I’m going to test it on Friday morning at the rifle range.

          • WTS/JAY

            Could we ask you, the same question, Dave?

          • Bob666

            So says Miss Congeniality.

          • WTS/JAY

            Now now, Bob. Please put the whip down. PLD is not that sort of place.

          • Bob666

            Sorry Jay,
            The old broad is as mean as a snake-I frankly can’t recall a comment from her that has every been positive or genuine.

          • WTS/JAY

            Her neural-processor doesn’t work like it use to.

        • ridge runner

          Did you read Onumnutts books written with a domestic murdering terrorist Bill Ayers? Apparently not, as did a lot of book trained college degreed morons. Hillary wants everyone to not get paid directly, but a panel of beltway pukes would decide how much you need to live. This is the type of perverts liberial want to model themselves after? Put a fence around the Democrat Parties gatherings, and in one generation, all will be hanging swinging by their tails, since they all arre screwing each other and anything that sits still.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Karolyn,

          You write: “Her father owned a fabric store, but I don’t know about “rich”. She may not have been rich, but her parents were. Hillary Diane Clinton was born Hillary Diane Rodham on October 26, 1947, in Chicago, Illinois. She was raised in Park Ridge, Illinois, a picturesque suburb located 15 miles northwest of downtown Chicago. Hillary Rodham was the eldest daughter of Hugh Rodham, a prosperous fabric store owner, and Dorothy Emma Howell Rodham. http://www.biography.com/people/hillary-clinton-9251306

          Her educational background denotes a child of privilege.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • WTS/JAY

            I’m shocked! Are you implying that most of Karolyn’s comments are less than accurate?

          • Jeff

            Thank goodness. Our parrot is back. For a minute there, I thought you had a ghost writer capable of the occasional original thought.

          • WTS/JAY

            Thank goodness, our hater is back. No wait, you’re always here! Hate hate hate….grrrrr

          • JeffH

            Jay, it’s funny how the original POLLY WANT A CRACKER parrots pick up stuff they hear then say it as if it was their own creation…all from their perch too!

          • WTS/JAY

            Makes you wonder why God gave parrots the ability to talk, but not to think…? Hmm, perhaps a discussion for some other time…(-:

          • JeffH

            Birds of a feather….. :)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It probably takes a team of them to come up with their nonsense.

    • d s

      Oprah gives a lot of stuff away but it isn’t hers,she just gets credit for the stuff she gives away. I remember when she gave several cars away, most people had to give up the cars because they couldn’t afford the huge taxes they put on the cars.

    • Jeff

      I’m shocked. Are you implying that Ben’s articles are less than accurate? Given their utter lack of humor, I just assumed they had to be truthful!!

    • WTS/JAY

      Karolyn: A real feminist dances to the beat of her own drum, no matter what that is.

      Hmm, i though a feminist(s) went about establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women; including, establishing equal opportunities for women in education and employment…? I had no idea they played their own drums…?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Karolyn says — “There are so many inaccuracies in Crystal’s piece it’s ridiculous! For one thing, Hilary Clinton was not rich”.
      Then in a later comment, she says — “Her father owned a fabric store, but I don’t know about “rich””.

      So, you emphatically call Ben’s article ridiculous, then give Hillary’s stated richness as an example, then you say you “don’t know about “rich””.
      So if you’re not really sure, why are you busting Ben’s chops over it?

    • Jeff

      You can’t employ metaphor with people who’ve only been walking upright for a couple of generations. Jay is looking for Sandra Fluke’s drum, and Ridge Rat thinks drums are a Communist Plot. Extra Crispy probably understands the concept of metaphor but can’t recognize it in practice. Either way, if you disagree with him, you’re obviously wrong.

  • Truthful

    Most definitely do not point to any of these names as people I want my daughters to be like. They are all just as evil as their male counterparts.

  • ridge runner

    Weiner’s hide shouldn’t have a problem with her master, it is veiwed as OK by the pedohile worshipping muslim rug scrubbers. Plus Billary was her door mat Wellsly trained hump. Since all these liberial split tailed freaks support anything that is abhorant to normal society, and as the Democrat Party does, and has since the socialist-fascist-communist and now the marxist muslim freaks only select anti American pervs for office of any grade. Thank God there still are real Americans in this country to off set the freaky fks the inhabit the Socialist Democrat Party.

    • Jeff

      Ridge Rat:
      You are a breath of fresh air. Most of the mentally disturbed are too busy collecting cans to bother with posting. Tell us how you really feel. I’m sure there are psychiatrists paying attention.

      • S.C.Murf

        Is that the best you got jeffie, Ridge Runner telling it like it truly is and all you can do is drool.

        up the hill
        airborne

        • Jeff

          Are you two cellmates or did you just have the same English teacher?

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        The personal attack and argument to ridicule. Classic 5th column strategy. Here is an article about another woman in the news, a left wing wacko.
        http://www.dailycaller.com/2013/07/29/sheila-jackson-lee-for-homeland-security-secretary/
        She is no where near worthy of that job. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “”Women of the working class, especially wage workers, should not have more than two children at most. The average working man can support no more and the average working woman can take care of no more in decent fashion.”
        Margaret Sanger
        The Need for Birth Control in America

  • d s

    What I don’t like is someone makes a list (that can use the media) and it is supposed to be definitive . I know you like the list but I’m sure most people don’t. You have to be far left even farther than me to agree with this list.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You mean that you don’t like the list Ben Crystal made because he shone the light on your heroines and they are not shiny at all but cheap and malicious and tawdry.

      • d s

        Right. I would like to make up my own list up though, if that’s all right with you. LOL

        • JeffH

          It’s still mosly a free country…what’s stopping you?

          • d s

            Thanks, I’m on it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Bite your tongue, JeffH.

          • JeffH

            My bad!

          • JeffH

            My bad!

  • ridge runner

    Of coutse the orginal democrat Weiner Girl was Kristen Powers. Weiner is just another pervert like his mentor Chuck U Schumer, another rich spoilt fk with no value to society.

  • Jeff

    And what advice would you give a young man just out of college who really thinks he’s funny but no one else agrees? Who really thinks he’s profound, but, again, no one agrees except this tiny sliver of the electorate on the far, far right? Would you tell him he can someday be Billy Crystal or just his half-wit cousin Ben?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      What advice would you give a Liberal Progressive who pulls statistics out of his b___, and thinks he speaks for everybody else?

      • WTS/JAY

        Get a job?

      • Dave

        What advice would you give a Conservative who pulls statistics out of his b___, and thinks he speaks for everybody else?
        Go work for Mises

        • d s

          I don’t know. Listening to you two I probably will never know.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You have never successfully refuted the stats that I’ve posted, Dave, so what do you base that claim on?

          • Dave

            Stats? LOL… Ok, if you think the heritage foundation, CATO isn’t extremely biased GOP/Corporatist front groups then ok.
            Then you have mises… stuck in the 1800’s, using outdated and outmoded thinking that has never worked in the modern industrial world. Those stats?
            But I will give kudos where is is due. There was a link to a mises article that confirms what I always knew… Conservatives are just as guilty and more of increasing the size of the Fed Gov and spending like drunken sailors.
            Funny DaveH never points to that article… Everything is blamed in DaveH’s world on liberals and progressives.

          • WTS/JAY

            Bullchit, Dave; and you know it! DaveH has stated on many many occasions that the “right” is as guilty as the “left” for the destruction of this country. You just don’t want to give him the credit for that; out of spite! I must say; that is not very mature of you.

          • Dave

            Bullchit, I have never heard DaveH bad mouth the conservative lord a savior Ronald Reagan. How many articles written by authors here blame the skyrocketing debt on the policies of Reaganomics? Look at when the US debt started to really escalate… It started under Reagan. But is your hero. And your hero like all conservatives are perfect.
            I on the other hand have spelled out screw ups from both parties (Obama, Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Kennedy) as well as (Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush1 and 2)
            But people here only want to hear what they want to hear and if I go against BobL, or any of the other writers here… I am either a socialist, communist, or Marxist and 99% of the conservatives here clearly have no clue about what those terms mean? Maturity? Look in the mirror pal…. You are no different.

          • WTS/JAY

            You couldn’t be more wrong, Dave! In fact, i would say; you are out and out LYING!!! Either that, or you are VERY selective as to what you choose to focus on, and what you choose to ignore, which, btw, impairs you from providing a balanced and credible observation as to the facts! I would recommend you research PLD’s archives, to show yourself a liar, or, at the very least, incorrect in your misunderstanding of the political and philosophical views of PLD; you SCOUNDREL!!!

          • Dave

            Balanced and credible… two adjectives that can never be used to describe you, DaveH, Bob Livingston, W.A.R, John Meyers, Ben Chrystal, Bullard, JeffH, you, Vicki, FF, Ridge Runner, FF, Samurai and on and on
            A Scoundrel is someone who tries to undermine the United States just so they can make money on their books, speaking engagements to the lunatic fringe and gold futures…

      • d s

        I don’t know

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Tell them to take a hike. Here is an article showing Obama bin Laden supporting terrorism.
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/barack-obama-ignores-congress-sends-500-million-of-taxpayer-money-to-hamas-palestinian-authority/#ixzz2alDu0l2
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
        Margaret Sanger
        Birth Control Review
        April 1932, pg. 108

  • Rousseau Welch

    What very odd and creepy couple.

  • WTS/JAY

    How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    Answer: 12.

    One to screw it in,

    one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,

    one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,

    one to suggest the whole “screwing” bit to be too “rape-like”,

    one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,

    one to blame men for not changing the bulb,

    one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,

    one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,

    one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,

    one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,

    one to alert the media that women are now “out-lightbulbing” men,

    and one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.

  • Ron r

    Thanks again Bob . And you are by my definition of a chairborne ranger. We talk about people like you through out the army.

    Best wishes,

    Ron

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “WISE men speak because they have something to say; FOOLS because they have to say something.” – ascribed to Plato, the world’s most influential Ancient Greek Philosopher

      • Dave

        That describes many of the authors here and many conservative posters here… Careful, you get alot of thumbs down for that kind of truth.

        • WTS/JAY

          You know all about thumbs-down, don’t you Dave? (-:

          • Dave

            From numbskull conservatives? I take it as a badge of honor. Can’t have independent thought in the group think conservativeland.

          • WTS/JAY

            How can you be certain that some of the thumbs-down weren’t from numbskull liberals?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sure you can. Talk your head off, just make sense and use intellectual materials when posting your thoughts. Ooops! You and your ilk are vastly lacking in those areas. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-phony-scandals/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/i-have-a-few-questions-mr-obama/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-the-narcissist-in-chief/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/chattanooga-paper-to-obama-take-your-jobs-plan-and-shove-it/
            Looks like your “messiah” isn’t doing so well, now is he? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Give dysgenic groups (people with bad genes) in our population their choice of segregation or (compulsory) sterilization.”
            Margaret Sanger
            America Needs a Code for Babies
            March 27, 1934

          • Dave

            Not a Democrat btw Samurai and when Obama is wrong, I say he is and when people falsely accuse or have an agenda to go along with the GOP’s talking points… I say that as well.
            You are an anti-American religious right winger who wants to turn this country into a Christian theocracy so I don’t hold what you say with any sort of esteem.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Independent thought? Is that what you call your poor excuse for logic, Dave?

          • Dave

            Logic? Is that what you call your theories?

          • Dave

            Logic? Is that what you call your theories?

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Careful, Dave, you get a lot of thumbs down for your buzz.

      • Ron r

        This also applies to women, and you to a tee.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          “If a man neglects EDUCATION, he walks lame to the end of his life” – Plato

          • WTS/JAY

            Yup, that’s Ron logical fallacy, alright!

          • Ron r

            Coming from someone who reads skinhead news papers , I’ll take that as a compliment .

          • WTS/JAY

            Does your comment make any sense to you? No? Me neither!

          • Ron r

            What!!!!!

          • WTS/JAY

            What????

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Can’t stop yourself from lying. You are what is euphemistically called a Leftist “manure” slinger but you keep forgetting the hands that sling it.

          • Ron r

            An idiot is an idiot who will never lead. U. S Army Infantry..

          • WTS/JAY

            Is that why you were an idiot…er, i mean, an Infantry man for 20 years? Btw, do your liberal-progressive-comrades know you were fighting for America’s Imperialistic objectives for 20 years? They do? And they still consider you one of their own? Gee, i wonder why?

          • Ron r

            And what Third Reich company are you presently serving with. And do you know the skinhead chick who runs the EUT news paper????????

          • WTS/JAY

            So now you want to play the “mine’s bigger than yours” game, Ron?

          • Ron r

            An idiot …. er. You should and could have spelled it out . You reacted like the typical nazi coward. Later for you Adolf.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hurry, Ron, your platoon just left. You don’t want to be late for the slaughter, do you?

          • Ron r

            WTS/JAY • 2 days ago −
            According to The European Union Times, the Russian Finance Minister Tatyana Nesterenko prepared a report about the Eurogroup meeting of the Informal Economic and Financial Affairs Council in Wroclaw, Poland. In it, she said that the EU Finance Minsters were stunned after Timothy Geithner appeared uninvited to the meeting and started yelling at the participants for their bad economic policies in handling the European debt. After asked whether this is the position of his President, Barack Obama, Geithner replied, “OBAMA IS NOT IN CHARGE.

            So jay, you never heard of this reich wing skin head paper ??????

          • WTS/JAY

            Ah, but i didn’t get that from the rag-paper you keep praising, Ron. That excerpt is indeed from your favourite rag-paper, but it was posted by a blogger named Brock Townsend, who lifted it from the Godfather-Politcs’ website.

            So you see, you’re wrong again, dumb dumb! (-:

          • Ron r

            And who you lifted it from. Surprised you would post/paste something like that and the one you pasted on Jessie Jackson without checking the source, Talk about being dumb. If it’s under your name , it’s yours. BTW, why would paste something from a rag tag source??? makes no sense.

          • WTS/JAY

            Are you serious? The one on Jesse Jackson was clearly “Satire”, you dumb-azz! As far as, “rag-tag” source…? that’s your opinion! And you know what is said about opinions, don’t you, a-hole?

          • Ron r

            The dumb azz is doing the name calling.

          • Ron r

            WTS/JAY • 2 days ago −
            According to The European Union Times, the Russian Finance Minister Tatyana Nesterenko prepared a report about the Eurogroup meeting of the Informal Economic and Financial Affairs Council in Wroclaw, Poland. In it, she said that the EU Finance Minsters were stunned after Timothy Geithner appeared uninvited to the meeting and started yelling at the participants for their bad economic policies in handling the European debt. After asked whether this is the position of his President, Barack Obama, Geithner replied, “OBAMA IS NOT IN CHARGE.

            So jay, you never heard of this reich wing skin head paper ??????

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You are desperate. What does that even mean?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            We never said that. Here is something I said to anyone who didn’t want to learn anything while serving:
            “A man who refuses to learn has a stagnant mind.”
            Sir Francis Bacon
            This sure does fit you to a “T”. Here are 2 articles dealing with women.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/weiners-a-problem-but-huma-abedin-is-a-bigger-problem/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/ms-mini-gun-america/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “”Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies…and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
            Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit.
            Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.”
            Margaret Sanger
            Plan for Peace
            Birth Control Review
            April 1932, pp. 107 – 108

          • Ringgo1

            I appreciate your posts, sumurai. I’m not sure of the spelling, but here goes: Domo arrigato. (Thank you.)

      • WTS/JAY

        Well placed, Alondra!!!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Yes, we sure did talk about people like you through the army. Except we used different names for you, like butthole. You have really disgraced that uniform you say you wore for 20 years. A real soldier wouldn’t be this way on this site. No muturity, professionalism, morals, or ethics at all. I guess that you would back up Margaret Sanger, the eugenist? Though many of her policies were the same as Nazi policies under Hitler, you still support her? You support Hitlery Clinton, who won’t take responsibility for what happened on her watch? Shows lack of maturity and no taking responsibility for somwthing she was responsible for. Just go home Ron, you are nothing but a troll and there are too many left wing wacko trolls on this site. Here is something that Hitlery would want to listen to:
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/report-lewinsky-sex-tape-to-clinton-surfaces/
      http://www.lastresistance.com/2894/hillary-clinton-really-angry-that-huma-is-so-much-like-her/
      Here is some good news from Alaska:
      http://www.hotair.com/archives/2013/07/30/ppp-poll-palin-leads-alaska-republican-senate-primary-by-10-points/
      Here is one about Pelosi wanting to spend tax payer funds on an unconstitutional program.
      http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/07/pelosi-pushes-universal-daycare/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “”We should a sterm and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”
      Margaret Sanger
      Women and the New Race
      Chapter 6

      • Ron r

        What do you know about the U. S. Army samurai that you could tell any soldier active duty or not about honor? Where or when did you serve.?? Do you or have you ever been affiliated with the military ??

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          If you remember right, that is asking a lot, I posted I served 20 years and told my highest awards. Honor is what is inside you, not your rank or job. I earned everything I have in this world, but can you say the same? In fact, why don’t you say where you have served and what combat experience do you have? I guess other fellow patriots are correct when they say this about your ilk, “You just can’t fix stupid.” Here is an article from a real patriotic woman.
          http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/07/31/vacationer-obamas-favorite-vinyard-vulture-n1652744/page/full
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”
          Benjamin Franklin
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

          • KG

            I was wondering if you found any of those verses in the Bible where Jesus says good things about religious people…..

          • Ron r

            You never told me because I until recently ignored you. Mostly because I thought you needed deprograming. Either way I don’t give a hoot what you did , because if you had the same attitude then that you have now, I’m glad I never served with you. You imply you served honorable I will not question that , however I will not stand by and allow you to slander my service. As for you political views I think you are full of it and that you use Christianity to disguise your hate for anyone who does not live like you or does not pray to the same god you do. I really think you are unstable but I will not disrespect your service as you have mine and anyone who disagrees with you. LET IT GO.

          • Bob666

            Yo Ron/Dave,
            Little Sammy is a genuine war hero-you don’t have to ask him-he will gladly tell you!

          • Dave

            Bob, you know that Samurai is the ultimate judge on who is a patriot and who isn’t. just like many of these so -called conservative “patriots”
            With atheist-theorists like DaveH around, does Samurai grade on a curve?

          • Fetch

            Little Saurai swings both ways in more ways than one.

          • WTS/JAY

            This from a military-puppet who slaughters innocent women and children for a living. How psychotic are you, Ron?

          • Ron R

            Good to know.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Look who is talking? Chameleon can’t change his color, so he changing the name.

  • Judicious

    The irony regarding Margaret Sanger is that she reportedly opposed abortion in favor of contraception. So what would she say about Planned Parenthood today?

  • Ron r

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    Volokh, Eugene. “Massive Problems with Anti-Obama Allegations That Have Been Making the Rounds Recently.” Volokh Conspiracy Blog. 5 Apr 2010.

    Find out what happened to the Obama’s licenses.

  • http://priscillaking.blogspot.com/ Priscilla King

    Well, I like Lilith (used her in conceptual fiction, which is probably the only place she’s ever existed) and I sort of like Oprah, but I’ll agree about the others.