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Gingrich: U.S. At War With Libya

September 17, 2012 by  

Gingrich: U.S. At War With Libya
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Terrorists attacked the United States consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

In a scathing rebuke of President Barack Obama’s foreign policy, former House Speaker and failed Republican Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich described the events in Benghazi, Libya, and other U.S. consulates throughout the Arab world last week as acts of war.

Responding to Obama’s speech following the news of the murder of the U.S. ambassador to Libya in which he described the deadly Libya protest as a “senseless act of violence,” Gingrich writes in a recent op-ed:

These are not acts of senseless violence.

These are acts of war.

Our ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were not killed by a senseless mob. They were killed by a purposeful group of men armed with sophisticated weapons. These killers had tracked Ambassador Chris Stevens down to the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, where he was much more vulnerable to attack and had less protection. They waged a coordinated, military-style assault.

Our four dead are combat casualties as much as anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan.

While American involvement in the overthrow of the Libyan government took place without much fanfare, the United States is definitely at war with Libya. Experts agree that it is the same type of endless military conflict in which the Nation has been entangled for the past decade in Afghanistan.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • FreedomFighter

    “Gingrich described the events in Benghazi, Libya, and other U.S. consulates throughout the Arab world last week as acts of war.”

    Of course they are, arnt these the same Islamic fanatics that get down on a rug an pray to thier demon god and call for death to America, the west, and death to Isreal? The same guys that swear to kill all Americans and wipe Isreal off the map? The same people burning Christians in there churches, the same ones over and over killing and bombing?

    We have been at war since b4 911. It would seem to take politicians longer to – get it than normal people.

    The only question is how big will it continue to get?

    Maybe one dark night soon, one of the aircraft carriers sent over there will find itself overwhelmed with a missle attack or some other type attack, they are the prime targets? Best be on high alert these scum bags have the will and the means, and aircraft carriers are big targets hard to miss.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Robert Smith

      “We have been at war since b4 911. It would seem to take politicians longer to – get it than normal people.”

      George Orwell’s “Forever War.”

      Started by George W. Bush.

      Rob

      • Patriot1776

        I believe the first act of war was against the U.S. on September 11, 2001. I guess in some people’s opinion, the U.S. is to be blamed for World War II because we defended ourselves against the Japanese attack.

        The Middle East has been fighting for centuries. They do not understand nor respect the passive, apologetic policies of this administration and they see it as weakness, just as they did when Carter was president.

      • Americanjoe

        Robert had myopic vision, it’s all Bush’s fault. Try looking as far back as Korea, a Democratic President ran with his tail between his legs, or more recently Jimmy Carter, still as anti-American as when he was in office. With the legacy of these two losers, the American decline started, Obama the Keynan (oh blessed be his name) is just the ugly face of liberalism that permeates the Democratic party and is now fully exposed. Yet Robert is correct about the police and drones, our police act as military and our military act as police. “We are our own enemy”

      • boyscout

        I would place the start of this forever war at the feet of LBJ; but I get your point and agree with the reasoning. And it would seem that our Middle East efforts have had the same effect as our Wars On: poverty and drugs. I am awfully glad we didn’t declare a war on ignorance – perhaps because we didn’t see that one as worth fighting.

      • jug

        Try Clinton, not Bush!

      • Jefferson Thomas

        Hah….ever heard of a liar named Mohammed the fake “prophet”? Ever heard of Jihad? Ever heard of the conquests of the Arabs, Persians, Turks, Indians, Iraqis, Afghans, Indonesians, etc. etc. The jihad continues to this day. They existed long before Georgey Porgy Puddin’ Pie.
        http://www.islam-watch.org

      • JeffH

        RS says “Started by George W. Bush.” Ah yes, the simple mind at work!

      • Gordon

        The Japanese as a culture laugh at the United States. When a problem arises, Japanese seek to solve the problem. The US makes a “game” out of placing blame…. and the problem never gets solved. Another sign of the liberal sociology.

      • Gary L

        George Bush again??? Damn he sure was busy.

      • TML

        Patriot says, “I believe the first act of war was against the U.S. on September 11, 2001. I guess in some people’s opinion, the U.S. is to be blamed for World War II because we defended ourselves against the Japanese attack.”

        If you think the first act of war was against the U.S. on September 11th, then you remain willfully ignorant of U.S. actions, bombing countries in the Middle East during the decades leading up to 9/11.

        Patriot says, “The Middle East has been fighting for centuries. They do not understand nor respect the passive, apologetic policies of this administration and they see it as weakness, just as they did when Carter was president.”

        I’m sure there are many Muslims which think like you enough to believe that rationale is a weakness, or passive, but they would be wrong, same as you. I would come closer to believing that most Muslims believe contrary your broad-brush sentiment. The application of logic and reason is not a appologetic, not passive.

      • eddie47d

        Actually the wars were started by Eisenhower (Iran) an then Reagan (Iraq). Then G Bush. Start thinking for a change Jeff H. instead of acting stupid!

      • nnicko

        But presidente obozo said, Change, we will be better in 4 years, trust me! o-bite-me says , chains, don’t let them put you in “CHAINS’. We should be okay, because that what they told us. Did they lie to us?

      • bob

        Just remember, Robert Smith’s mother did not have any childern that lived.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rpdalton1 Robert Patrick Dalton

        “Started by George Bush” you stated. Really !? I thought it was pretty clear that Muslim youths, under the aegis of Al Queida terrorist leadership flew those airliners into the WTC towers.

      • James J, Murphy

        I suppose Bush flew the planes ?

      • Gordon

        Didn’t you see the videos? Those weren’t planes, those were spherical weapons developed by our government, and ALL the videos were doctored to include wings. No kidding, people believe that schtuff too.

    • Tom T

      Actually, if you review history, this all started when the CIA overthrew a democratically elected president of Iran in the 50′s & installed the Shah into power. That is when the US began sticking its nose into other countries business and trying to unconstitutionally become the policeman of the planet. Our founders had made it clear that we were to be “friends to all and allied to none”. Until we awake to this and stop trying to impose our culture and values on others who have no concept and place no real value human life, they will continue to hate us.

      • Gordon

        So, during the Spanish-American War (1898) the US was not sticking its nose into other people’s business?

      • eddie47d

        That war too!

      • Tom Ramsay

        At last~some light in the wilderness! You have looked for the cause, not just the effect. The war with Iraq was a senseless war, ther were no WMD’s but Bush wanted to keep the money rolling in for his pals in the military complex, supplying obscenely expensive weapons paid for by American citizens. Also, the CIA had good intel about the 9/11 disaster in August which was delivered to Bush, but the White House chose to ignore it. American Intel is of high quality and should be taken seriously.

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        Tom T,
        Agreed. Most will keep stating prejudiced remarks blaming another’s religious beliefs as reasons for “first strike” while willfully ignoring the fact that they have rights as sovereign nations to take up arms against us and our occupations. We attack so many countries, remove their heads of states, bomb them into submission then scream “Islamic Extremists” when they kill our troops/diplomats/agents. How so many Americans show so much hate towards these Arab nations while WE are the occupiers and murderers is truly astounding to me. When will we learn that these willful acts of violence towards these nations will only bring more death and destruction. Not peace.

      • Toy

        Remember the “Maine”!

      • eddie47d

        The Maine- More false flag sabotage to expand our sphere.

      • Robert

        The wars started centuries ago but you are on the right track. More to the point in Libya, it was the United States that declared war on them by using the CIA to create insurgency and paying mercenaries to start an internal war. Libya was a prosperous, peaceful country before international controllers demanded Libyan leaders submit to their demands of control, which was refused. As a follow on – see Syria.

    • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

      …ahh isn’t IGNORANCE BLISS !!! Have you forgotten, or like so many in Western countries, just plain ignorant of the FACT that the U.S.,in particular started these “wars” by, stealing land from Palestinians,after WW2 to give to EUROPEAN Jews, inspite of the fact GERMANY, reponsible for the “Holocaust”, should have given land, and then SUPPORTING barbarians to run MUSLIM countries causing MILLIONS of deaths, to date and great poverty,in order to further STEAL RESOURCES ( oil) and support the U.S. dollar and ISRAEL????

      I guess you are happy in your fantasy.

  • http://none davey

    …newt and his ilk just love to escalate escalate escalate…they love banging those war drums…couch warriors….

    • Michael J.

      davey,
      The ones doing the escalating were the ones chanting, “Obama… We are all Osama’s”, as they breached the walls of U.S. sovereign teritory.

    • eddie47d

      Gingrich still smells like a outhouse in trying to play Gen Sherman in his march through Atlanta. I sincerely hope that man never gets close to the Presidency of the United States of America. There are neo cons and then there are dangerous neo cons who will do anything to further their wishes for war. The two major players in starting this latest anger in the Middle East are Nakoula Basseley and Steve Klein. Gingrich is a warmongering loser no different than those two clowns. Were not buying into their newest setup (false flag) in demanding another war.

      • Excop293

        hey Eddie it’s idiots like you that are destroying this Country!! I guess us warmongering patriots will have to continue protecting your freedoms, lord know you evidently don’t have enough sense to protect yourself!! You damn liberals make me sick once you loose your freedom you’ll be scratching your head wondering what happened!!!!!!

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Migdalia

        Eddie you are a bum

      • eddie47d

        The Bums and Idiots are the ones laying these new wars at our feet and expecting us to march for their causes Migdalia and Ex-Cop. They have been doing this to us for over 100 years or more and you still bite into their poison pill. Those who encourage these false flag wars are not defending my freedom but shaming America into becoming the stormtroopers of the world. The NWO has a ring in your nose and you are being led away into their follies. These Middle East wars are hardly making us a beacon of freedom or integrity.

      • JeffH

        Simple minds have simple boundaries.

        They hated the US before 9/11 and they’ll continued to hate us…some people, like eddie, need excuses to justify the attacks on the US and their alies.

        Excuses are for losers.

        The bottom line is that “the chickens have come home to roost”! US intervention in foreign countries has come full circle…despite the Muslim’s hate for anything non-muslim, they’re fed up with the US poking their nose where they’re not wanted. Oh, I say the US only because we’re the fall guy for a more powerfull group of force…The Zionist Rothschilds, NWO, Illuminati, CFR, UN, Rothschild Banking Cabal, IMF, Bilderbergs, Federal Reserve…

        Obama was Rothschild’s choice…who’s next? Romney?

        A couple of weeks ago the cover of Newsweek featured an article by Niall Ferguson saying Obama’s Gotta Go. They neglected to mention that Ferguson is one of several men who represents the Rothschilds at the Bilderberg meetings. The Rothschilds have stepped back from attending the meetings as they do not like too much publicity. They still do set an agenda through the Steering committee which the participants discuss until a consensus is reached. The participants are less powerful than you would think given that they have included Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Barack Obama and Hillary. If the Rothschilds had insisted. Obama be reelected Ferguson could have worked for Romney as he did for McCain in 2008 but he would never have made the cover of Newsweek. Thankfully, Newsweek is going bankrupt. People have had enough of the lying controlled media.

        We Americans will never have control over the presidential choices until we take control of and reove our corrupt political system.

        A constitutional government is the only answer and our only chance to rebuild the “American Dream”, anything less will keep producing the same results prescribed by the PTB…War(eugenics) and poverty!

        “A nation…cannot survive treason from within…the traitor …wears the face of his victims,…and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly…he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared…….” Cicero, 42 B.C.E.

      • eddie47d

        Tha fit Gingrich to a T Jeff. He’s always full of excuses in getting us involved in another war and you follow with that ring in your nose.

      • Tom Ramsay

        I agree Eddie. Gingrich still believes that McCarthy was doing a great job exposing “commies” who were not there (except in his imagination). Americans are far too intelligent to let Gingrich near the White House. He is stupid, and his opinions are as ugly as he is!

      • Dale left coast

        Tom . . . the commies were there . . . when we got into the Russian records in 1990′s McCarthy was vindicated . . . he was right. Today there are more commies have taken over the dimmicrap party and you and your clueless ilk cannot even see it . . .

      • JeffH

        eddie, just quit with the stupidity would you! Name one war tha Newt Gingrich got us into, just one, and I’ll never ever make fun of your capacities, comments and never ever respond to you in a negative manner. As a matter of fact, I will offer my support for everything you say here. I will become your sole ally at PLD!
        That’s a promise!

        Now’s the time to put up. This is your opportunity vindicate yourself and start rebuilding some credibility.

        Alinsky said “An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth — truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing…. To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations….”

        That is eddie in a tea cup…no fixed truth…always changing the truth or making it up!

      • GALT

        So JeffH…….Do YOU have a ” fixed TRUTH”?

        If you do…….which is doubtful…….does everything else you claim to “believe” flow from this TRUTH with logical consistency?

        Since this IS an extremely high standard…….you should only accept this challenge
        if you are capable of meeting it………I also feel compelled to point out that, even if
        you think you might have a “solid foundation” upon which to build……we are not
        “omniscient” in any sense………and since “new information” and “actual knowledge”
        is being added…………one is constantly forced to adapt to “new input”……..which
        requires constant adjustment re:subsets……and if one has chosen the wrong “fixed truth”
        ?????????????????????????

        I will not duplicate your put up or shut up challenge…….and maybe in time you will come to understand why……….but you are certainly welcome to try…..

      • JeffH

        GALT, this doesn’t concern you nor is it any of your business.

        Take your little phycological babble game and try it on someone gullible or someone who actually cares what you have to say or offer. I don’t…that is my real truth!

      • GALT

        Just checking………JeffH…………I knew you didn’t……it’s really too bad that those ya’ll like to feed on………haven’t figured out just how intellectually WEAK you really are……

        But you are WRONG about one thing…….as an e.i. P.L.F……….everything that you w.i.A.L.F’s do IS MY BUSINESS………how could it possibly not be?

        Oh wait……I forgot……you have all the answers……you just won’t answer questions…..

        MY BAD! ( can you feel the love? )

      • eddie47d

        Okay Gingrich defender Jeff H. It’s not the wars he started but the wars he voted on,defended and now is encouraging. He’s a false flag warmonger just like you!

      • JeffH

        eddie, then why didn’t you say that in the first place!
        eddie, you just continue to run your chops and say things based on your emotional reaction rather than carefull thought.
        Half a truth is still half a lie!

        1. I have never supported Gingrich
        2. I hadn’t noticed that I was a warmonger…maybe you should be more specific…but you can’t can you!
        3. GALT…I really don’t give a hoot about your opinions…much the same way I don’t hold any value in your dialogue and the space you waste with it.

      • JeffH

        Ignorant eddie, please point out the pro-warmongering in the Gingrich statement referred to in this article? Fact is there was none!

        Did you bother to read the entire comment made by Gingrich the is linked to this article? No you didn’t! There was no warmongering by Gingrich…you’d know this had you understood and read the entire Gingrich commentary.

    • Patriot1776

      When American citizens are attacked on sovereign U.S. territory, the American flag is taken down and replaced on our soil, these are acts of war. The war drums are being beaten by the Libyans and the muslim extremists. Unfortunately we have a president too weak to stand for America and many citizens just like him.

      • eddie47d

        Americans are awash in weapons so what would YOU do if the situation arose where foreigners OCCUPIED YOUR lands and YOU had an opportunity to “defeat” those OCCUPIERS. You’d love to be the Red Dawn hero for your country just like those attackers in Libya wanted to be the local heros and “reclaim” their nation. In my opinion those insurgents where nothing more than pro Gaddafi hooligans attempting to take back what they lost. They stirred up trouble but they didn’t win so there is no act of war. If caught they will be charged as criminals not national heros and hopefully executed for those crimes.

      • Patriot1776

        How do you define “Occupy”. We do not have troups occupying Libya. We had an ambassador and his staff, who were present for diplomatic relations, just as foreign countries have amassadors at embassies here in the U.S. That is not occupation. Yes, obama has used his executive assasination powers in Libya, but since he is uberliberal I’m sure you don’t count that. In fact, while we have troups on the ground in several countries around the world, none of them are occupying those countries by normal definitions of occupation.

      • old hillbilly

        1776 is a winner.
        Apparently the embassies are progressive-liberal controlled, where no one has the mentality or desire to protect their “country’s sovereign” soil. That of course, is predicated on the mandate that we have a mutually binding right and agreement to be there – without which, no embassy should ever exist in a foreign country – including the USA!

        That said, anyone breaching the walls must fall back over the wall stone dead. (Pile them up on their side) A good mix of 45 knock-down power and armor piercing ammo says the body count will very high with very little use of ammo. It also means drone & whatever other back-up must be there & ready to take out the rpgs, mortars, etc. Make sure all know what to expect & make it happen instantly!

        Otherwise – stay HOME, let them rot in their waste. Destroy their war machine & leave!

      • TML

        Patriot, you seem to be wholly lost in cognitive dissonance, nearly to the point of hypocrisy. You admit the shameful acts of Obama using pseudo-powers of executive assassination, to cowardly bomb a country using drones, and which resulted in the death of many innocent people, yet feel that somehow Obama is weak, and that the actions of these minority extremists are acts of war, and that we should make war with the entire country.

        This was not an act of war by a country. This was the violent dissent of a minority fueled by the past actions of the United States.

      • Dale left coast

        Eddie . . . ? you spout nonsense . . . are the foreign missions in Washington “occupying the country” . . . . you are certifiable eddie ! ! ! !

      • eddie47d

        Put your phony heroics away Dale.

    • Gary L

      At least they are not apologizing, apologizing, apologizing, and love kissing middle eastern back sides.

  • Harold Olsen

    Not a Newt fan but he is right about this. The Arabs have declared war on us and we have an idiot in the White House who doesn’t give a damn. Even if they come after us here at home he’ll just sit there with his head up his ass and do nothing. That’s what happens when an America-hater gets elected to the White House, and this one happens to be a Muslim so it’s obvious who’s side he’s on and it ain’t ours!

    • GALT

      Is Newt on OUR side? Are you? Which side is our side?

      Poverty and hunger are interesting motivators……as is $2. gas…..or $10 gas,,,,,

      These are interesting times…….the question is what will YOU find MOTIVATING?

      • Warrior

        Repeat after me, “osama is dead and gm is alive”. Rather inspiring wouldn’t you say?

      • GALT

        Well then you should really be inspired by the rest of the decade……

      • Gordon

        red herring

      • GALT

        blue parrot

      • Gordon

        GALT. That’s clever. I’ll remember that one to use later……. as Grandpa often said, “Nobody is totally worthless,….. they can always serve as a bad example.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.sherman.589 Thomas Sherman

      I thought he already had his HEAD up his ASS!!!

    • Gordon

      Obama said he is a muslim and if there is a choice he will support muslims. perioid, on record. NEWT is probably the most qualified man in the world to be president. But not electable.

    • Robert DeFillipo

      You are right on the truth. Remember the statement, “Millions for defence but not one cent for tribute”? The Barbary Coast Pirates were attacking US merchant ships in the Mediterranean and wanted @ 20% of US GDP to not attack them. Thomas Jefferson told them “Millions for defence but not 1 cent for tribute.” Thus the start of the jihad against the USA.Yet jihad could go further back to the crusades, maybe back to Cain & Able!!!

      • TML

        Since you brought it up, you should be reminded that such incident ended with the Treaty of Tripoli.
        If Jefferson was alive today, I have no doubt the warmongers would call him passive, weak, and only appeasing the enemy. I think that speaks volumes in where America has gone down the wrong path to imperialism, and philosophies of ‘peace through strength’, rather than the principles and philosophies that made up the foundation of this country.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THIS IS A REASON WHY THE KENYAN WILL GET HIS EIGHT YEARS. REPUBLICANS ARE OBSESSED WITH FOREIGN POLICY AND WAR. FOREIGN POLICY AND WAR IN MEDIA COVERAGE TURNS AMERICANS “OFF.” PERIOD!

    IF REPUBLICANS WANT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER, THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC POLICY O-N-L-Y. NO ONE CARES ABOUT LIBYA.

    • Patriot1776

      If America wants to win, we had best focus on the failed policies of the current administration both domestically and abroad. The only bright spot for this administration is the success of their crony stimulus programs.

      • Robert

        If Romney/Ryan want to win they had better hit the RADIO waves with a message that will get down to where the lowest common voter can hear and understand – if they only speak to the top of the class and not those at the bottom they can pack it in and head home.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Robert,” YOU ARE ON POINT.

      • Gordon

        Question: How many of that “lower class”, who are unlearned and indifferent about foreign policy as well as economics and can’t even manage their own money, will change their vote from “free money for me” to “socio-economic collapse is imminent”? Facts are that everybody wants change just as long as it doesn’t affect them negatively.

    • cpa

      Exactly… but the opposite.

      We should be talking foreign policy between our choices for November. What just happened in Libya – this is Obama’s Libya, the ones in charge there are who Obama got involved with and helped to set up, the fact that they hate us and want to declare war on us… Obama’s foreign policy is not helping but hurting the situation. Obama is the one sending us into new wars and failing to successfully end /get out of the old ones. Obama is the one leaving our nation and our diplomats vulnerable and failing to address the situation appropriately when they are attacked.

      These are in fact acts of war being done against the United States. Of course people don’t like war. But we need to respond and defend what is ours or is soon will no longer be ours to defend.

      • Robert

        Islam long a go declared war on the United States. Islam is a Government, religious in nature but still a foreign enemy government! Its Constitution is the Koran. Its Judicial system is Sharia Law. Islam has its on Banking system. Islam has all the elements that it takes to be a Government. This foreign enemy has infiltrated all three branches of the Federal Government, as well as many State Governments. Even Governor Christie of New Jersey placed a citizen of Isalm, a Muslim, to the highest Court in New Jersey. Even Secretary of State Clinton has as her top advisor a Citizen of this foreign enemy government. Islam has covered every State with its Centers of Government Operations called Mosques with the sole intent to infiltrate and take over from within the United States. The Speaker of the House spoke out against Representative Bachman and put her position on the Intelligence Committee at risk when she called for an investigation of the Muslim Brotherhood’s influence in Washington DC. The President of the US invites this terriorst Government into the White House. This goes along with his announcement in an interview “my Muslim faith”. Our UN ambassador goes along with a UN resolution to make it a crime to speak ill of Islam, an in effect nullifies the First Admendment to the US Constitution that guarantees our freedom of speech whether one likes it or not. We need to elect a President and Members of Congress that will protect and defend the Constitution of the Republic and take what ever action is necessary to protect our freedoms even to the eviction of members of all enemy foreign governments from American soil. Owners of Guns makes one a Citizen and no ownership of Guns makes one a Subject!!!!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Thank ou Rob, you speak truth and have outlined the plan they the Ilamo-facist are implementing as we sleep

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • GALT

        To judge Islam by the actions of a few…..is like judging christian’s by the same standard?

        Do “christian’s” who support killing doctor’s who perform abortions represent “christianity”?

        Do christian’s who believe “god wants you to be rich” represent christianity?

        Why is it possible to be a “christian hindu” but not a “hindu christian”?

        Why is it that the “one true god” has SO MANY variants?

        Why is it that people who claim a belief in the ONE TRUE GOD as the FINAL JUDGE
        of our ACTIONS ON EARTH………will not let GOD do the JUDGING?

        Are you a P.L.F.?

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!!!!” ( and the HANG, separately !!!! )

      • Gordon

        GALT: Judging Christians by what Christ taught and lived, and judging muslims by what mohammed taught and lived, explains the fundamental difference in overall philosophy. islam is religious-governmental organization directed to destroy the infidels, and lacks only a unified “state” to exist.

      • Gordon

        GALT: Answering your other questions: The #1 premise of Christianity (large C) is that Jesus Christ IS GOD. All who do NOT believe that cannot actually call themselves Christians….. such as mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and several main stream “christian deonominations”. Therefore according to the Bible, all gods other than Christ are false gods.

    • Gordon

      Chris, it is not about Lybia, it is about sovereign US soil and murder of US citizens and diplomats. Chris, thinking like yours is the reason that Obama was elected and will destroy the United States of America. God help us all.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Gordon,”

        I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR COMMENTS, BUT, POOR AMERICANS ARE WORRIED ABOUT MONEY – NOT, AMERICA’S ROLE AS A “SUPER-POWER.”

      • Gordon

        CAH, exactly. When the USA homeland gets the effects of the crop failure, the runaway inflation, and the socio-economic decline, the jihad will expand to our homeland and that might make an impression on poor.

  • cawmun cents

    The affordability of viewing the world through rose hued spectacles,instead of the binoculars of future events.
    Cant see through the fog of faulty reasoning,so there is no need to see the future.That is where the folks are right now.But very soon the raw deal will be made clear to them.
    Are You Ready?
    -CC.

  • michael

    The American people make causes out of every injustice. How can we let the people of Israel be slaughtered?

    • eddie47d

      The attack on our embassy is an injustice but why are some of you allowing Gingrich to make it his cause for war. Who says Israeli’s will be slaughtered because of this embassy incident? That’s far fetched to assume that. We need less involvement in the Middle East not more so will you follow Gingrich who is also stoking the fires?

      • Patriot1776

        You ask “why are some of you allowing Gingrich to make it his cause for war.” Because this is America and at this point in time American citizens have the right to voice their opinions. It’s what we call “Freedom of Speech”.

      • Curt

        Yo, Eduh,

        Why do you and your kind insist on turning your backs on Israel, when they have been our ONLY allies in the Middle East? But you sure jump to defend those poor Muzzie bastards. Take your whinny, hippy crap elsewhere.

      • eddie47d

        Michael is wrong for we are not turning our backs on Israel Curt. If ISRAEL is attacked we will go to her defense so don’t make false assumptions. We will not allow ISRAEL dictate when and where the next war will happen. We will not automatically go to war against Iran because they say so. They do not fully run our government yet as some of you believe. So take your whinny warmongering some place else.

      • Kinetic1

        Patriot1776,
        “Because this is America and at this point in time American citizens have the right to voice their opinions. It’s what we call “Freedom of Speech”.”
        That explains your right to speak in support of Gingrich (a right no one here is questioning) but says nothing about WHY you speak out in support of him.

      • Gordon

        Some experts have reported that Iran has 60 nukes, and are working on a good way to launch them farther. Jacob and Esau have been fighting for millenia and soon we will be unable to ignore them.

  • Warrior

    There’s other ways around the “sequestration”. I hear they’re adding shifts at the “drone” factory. US set a record recently for the most drone sales in a year. Wonder who the buyers are?

    • Robert Smith

      Warrior asks about drones: “Wonder who the buyers are?”

      Check your local police department.

      Rob

  • necee

    Does anyone remember what happened in Beruit, Lebanon in 1969…What is happening now is definitely more of the same hate…We need to become independent of the Oil Countries…let them stew in the juice of their own making…rebuild our own country..or countries..

    • Robert Smith

      necee says: “We need to become independent of the Oil Countries”

      Solar power, wind power, nuclear power…

      Rob

      • Patriot1776

        American coal, oil, natural gas…

      • Doc Sarvis

        Robert Smith lists sustainable long term solutions (I would add higher efficiencies in our energy use).
        Patriot1776 lists short term (last century), polluting, stop gaps.

      • Patriot1776

        I listed realistic sollutions to our real problems of unemployment, national security and domestic independence. Rob lists potential sollutions that have yet to prove their ability to affordably supply the power needed for today.

      • Gordon

        Did you ever see the picture of the world at night? Turn OFF the lights. The entire world has become massive energy consumers. Sure, we NEED the lights on all over town at night because the minorities are theives, etc. Massive consumption and WASTE of natural resources, food, everything, etc. is the real crime against nature and society. We as a society are handing our lives over to the muslims who control 70% of the known oil reserves. When they get together and turn off the fawcets, we won’t even be able to feed ourselves. period.

    • cpa

      Rebuild their own country… definitely!

      And please cut our funding to these war groups who wage war against us. All that does is fund the groups at war with us and our friends. Exactly what is the good of all the money we ship over there every year? (While we run deficits here at home).

      Let these countries raise their own money to buy their military equipment and wage war and use our money to be better spent at home building America instead of the middle east (any any other nation that it does no direct good for USA).

      CUT THEM OFF!!!!!

  • michael

    The Muslims didn’t burn Obama in effigy. They didn’t raise hell in America. Does Obama have a pact with them? Is he one of them?

    • Sirian

      Oh but they did burn an effigy of Obummer in SUDAN. Right next to the stars & stripes that went up in flames. Sudan won’t allow additional Marines in to protect our embassy. Isn’t that what you could call, OUT OF THE NORM? Yes, obviously so.

    • Gordon

      Well DUH.

    • nnicko

      All could be said in a name.. BARRACK HEUSSIN OBAMA. Why would there be any doubt that obozo is a muslim with islam thoughts. Why did muhammed ali change to this name? He did it for islam. Why would there be any doubt on who obozo is? And for you Bush-bashers….our american intel had 3 days notice before the embassy takeover….now we can bash obummer!

  • roger gunderson

    All politicians who want to go to war please sign up at your local recruiting office.

    • nnicko

      no need to get recruited Roger….if your an american and want to defend your country, we will all be fighting in our own country…of coarse like some chicken-americans, they fled to Oh, Canada……….our politicians would not last boot camp so most likely they will be useless like they are now!

  • Robert Lebischak

    We wouldn’t have these problems if we would let the Military go in and do the job they are trained to do, but our elected ones hold them to police action, don’t have your weapon loaded, don’t do this, don’t do that. The job of the Military is to go in wipe the enemy out and push on, and the last time that happened was WWII, since then our Military has been limited by others. If we must fight to protect freedom and liberty, then we fight nothing held back, or we do nothing.

    • eddie47d

      Everyone wants to play Napoleon and expand their territories. It called OCCUPATION . We are in their lands killing their people and yet you still expect flowers and roses. Napoleon was sent to Elba and Saint Helena’s Island and either would be a nice place for Gingrich too. If he wants to be a NWO leader then lets send him on a nice trip. Enough of this power hungry megalomaniac attempting to control our lives. If the shoe fits for Obama and Romney that can also be arranged.

      • Patriot1776

        So our ambassador was in Libya killing their people? I hadn’t heard that. I also wasn’t aware that we were fighting in Egypt or Sudan. We have had embassies in foreign countries since we became a country ourselves and foreign countries have embassies here, how is that occupation? Time to quit blaming America and stand up against the bullies.

      • eddie47d

        We have bombed Sudan so they are not fond of us although Bashir is a bastard anyways. Egypt has received massive amounts of military equipment from us and billions of revenue. That was little more than protection money or bribery so we have always been in the thick of the hornets nest and a willing partner. We have been and are still are stoking the call to war or at least the acts that lead to war. We armed Saddam under Reagan and they used those weapons to attack Iran yet we want Iran to love us. It’s kind of like a circular firing squad to keep these nations in turmoil. It may be too late to turn back the clock but the old policies of conquer and divide aren’t working very well.

      • Gordon

        Grandpa often said, “Never argue with an idiot, someone watching might not know the difference.”

    • ArkansasRebel

      So true. But we have to remember that the excuse given for these attacks was the film that embarrassed them and exposed their prophet. I would not have been surprised if our President had volunteered to turn the film makers & writer over to them to be slaughtered. Instead he apologized, again. What he should have done, in my estimation, is to stand up & proclaim that, “yes, the writer has freedom to express himself in America. We can apologize for them feeling offended but we will defend his or her right to say what he or she thinks”. To apologize to the muslims for his actions or thoughts is viewed by the muslims as a sign of weakness & does nothing to quell the violence, as we have already seen. If we continue on this path the same violence will soon be coming to America.

      • eddie47d

        Wrong! Nakoula and Klein knew exactly what they were doing and even admitted they got what they wanted. Which was more riots and killings in the Middle East. That wasn’t free speech but an act of aggression to fuel the flames of more wars. They are traitors and enemies of the state and should be treated as such. You need to grasp the severity of what those film makers INTENTIONS were and what they were trying to achieve. Not much different than the 9/11 hijackers who used planes instead of their poison pen. It’s hard to put limits on free speech but Nakoula and Klein did yell fire in a crowded theater.

      • cpa

        Agree.

        And on the film, I see things that I don’t like from time to time that I may find offensive. However, that is NEVER a reason to go kill somebody.

        When we apologize for offending the sensibilities of Muslims it is like we are making it OK that they then go out and declare war on the United States by burning down our embassy and by sodomizing and murdering our diplomat.

        Regardless of the movie (which yes has every right to be put on U Tube regardless of being stupid). What needs to be said is that is all irrelevant in light of declaring war and murdering ambassadors. The attack and murder are the crimes here not the movie. That is the stance I want to see the leader of our nation take.

      • Daveh234

        The Administration did just what you described.

        What he should have done, in my estimation, is to stand up & proclaim that, “yes, the writer has freedom to express himself in America. We can apologize for them feeling offended but we will defend his or her right to say what he or she thinks”

        Some hear it differently but were wrong.

      • Gordon

        AMEN Arky. I got your back.

      • Gordon

        Eddie, don’t you realize, the entire Twin Towers thing is a hoax/ conspiracy and did not happen. It was a David Copperfield hologram.

    • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

      Robert it also happened in Korea. I was there. It was a full sized war, not a “police action”. General MacArthur got relieved because he pushed our attack to the Chinese border and that was not was wanted.

      Viet Nam was a full scale war but was controlled from Washington who overruled the type of action that could have won it. I was there, too.

      • Gordon

        Amen NOrman. Thank you for your service to our Nation. God Bless.

  • Breeze

    I do agree with newt on this. They will be pushing to see what they can get away with, it will escalate, and obama will continue to apologize. There is one thing this fanatics understand, and that is force. Or, leave them alone. They will turn on each other. Pull all of our people, military, and money from them. In a few months they will be hungry, too effing bad.

    • eddie47d

      Where and when did that Obama apology take place? It’s been a week now and I haven’t seen it. How has “force” solved the problem in the Middle East so far. Seems like there is more killing going on not less since our initial involvement years ago. Who exactly are you going to use force against in the new Libya. The head of state is on our side so who will you be bombing or assassinating? I agree we shouldn’t be buying these nations off with military hardware for that only entrenches the dictators and gives them an iron fist against their own people.

    • Gordon

      Many people will not comprehend until the jihad escalates in our 48. Here it comes.

  • TML

    I’m amazed at the number of Americans I hear who are so ready to continue waging war with Libya and the rest of the Arab world. Apparently people, blinded by their own false sense of patriotic pride (or by their self-righteous views of religion), will never learn the concept that such actions render unintended consequences.

    Last year we supported the rebels in bringing Gaddafi to his knees, and today those same rebels killed Americans. It wasn’t even the government itself that did these killings but we are expected to view this as an act of war.

    Meanwhile, most have the audacity to ignore the acts of war that the United States has engaged in with bombing, or invading, virtually every Middle Eastern country for decades… and itching to do the same to Syria and Iran. Yet, we are shocked when they rise up against us.

    The acts of war were committed by the United States all across the Arab World for decades….so don’t act shocked that they started rising up against us. And don’t be so arrogant a fool as to beat the war drums because they do rise up. It’s like the bully constantly picking on you in school, and then saying you started it after you turned around and clocked the poor bastard (America is the bully)

    This is just one more example of why we should not intervene in the foreign internal affairs of other countries, due to the blow back that it creates for ourselves. Stay out of their country and leave them alone.

    • Robert

      The Lord GOD said that “there would we wars and rumors of wars till the end of time”. It all started when Adam listened to Eve and ate of “the forbidden fruit” in the mist of the Garden of Eden and got us kicked out of the Garden into the thorn and brier bushes.

      Adam relinquished dominion of the Earth over to Satan and there has been Hell to pay ever since. The moment Adam took a bite of the “forbidden fruit” he and Eve’s eyes were opened and SIN entered into the World and the Devil took over. War and Death!!!!!!

      Christ the Son of GOD came into the world to redeem GOD’s creation and he did so when on the Cross he said “it is finished” and released his spirit to go preach to those in Hell and rose from the Dead three days after he died for your and my sins. The Lord Jesus Christ purchased his Creation with the shedding of his innocent blood and for everyone whom believes the record that God gave of his Son and repents and ask God in Jesus name to forgive their sin. Your and my name is written in Heaven when we do what GOD requires to get into his Heaven. Christ sent the third person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, to indwell everyone who repents of sin and receives Christ as Lord and Savior. God said that there is an appointed time for each person born of woman once to die and after that the Judgement. Now here is what we have when one dies: (1) Rejectors of the free gift of Salvation purchased by Christ will be judged for Sin according to the Ten Commandments and will go to where each one has prepared themselves to go – eternal separation from GOD. (2) Receivers of the free gift of Salvation purchased by Christ indwelt by the Holy Spirit will go directly into the presence of God and will be judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ – not for Sin, Christ blood has washed that away; but for works performed after receiving the Holy Spirit. Let me ask you a question. How shall you escape damnation of your soul if you reject so great Salvation? What will you give in exchange for your soul?

      The United States was created for good in the world; but we have lost our way. We call evil good and good evil. When evil people rule the people mourn. When the righteous rule the people rejoice – thus saith the Lord God. The United States must be viligent and continue on a war footing to repell the evil that is in the world and to remain a free people. We cannot give place to the Devil. When attacked we must respond – to win and defeat the enemy. All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing. We have always gotten what we voted for and that will not change! We go from “hope and change” to “no hope and chains” unless we vote for serious change in all three branches of Government.

      • TML

        That is a fine example of that self-righteous view to which I was referring, and the age old Crusader mentality which drives one to be the worst sort of hypocrite that condemns evils, while promoting evil (war).

        It seems clear to me, as even you agree the United States has lost its way, that through the constant invasions, bombing, and attacking virtually every country in the Middle East, for decades… even prior to 9/11… it is the United States which has made evil, and war, and attacked innocent people. It is they who have responded to our evil, not the other way around.

        The United States must be vigilant in using logic and reason, and repel ignorance and actions of hypocrisy.

    • Gordon

      It is NOT the Arab world. It is the world controlled by muslims. Just because you don’t see much about the muslims in Indonesia, doesn’t mean they aren’t bombing schtuff there. When they gain full control over the oil resources they will unite against the infidels and turn off the oil flow. It IS all about the oil. Get a clue.

      • Gordon

        People used to bitcc about Bush and say it is all about the oil and his oil cronies. Of course it is all about the OIL. What was WW1 and 2 about? When the muslim influence in all the oil countries becomes strong enough, the muslims will turn off the flow to the infidels. Countries like Venezuela etc. will have systems bombed to stop the flow. etc. Try to picture the USA with HALF the oil supply we have now. Think the gas is too high $ ? We won’t even be able to feed ourselves. WTSHTF it will be too late to get prepared.

      • TML

        I have no doubt that oil has been a big factor for some in their support of the actions by the West, and particularly the actions of the western governments, but for many others it is not. For some, obviously (as we see from Robert) it’s more about religious intolerance for Muslims based on fear. But then, I would say ever your assessment is merely based on fear…. Fear of losing oil reserves in one way or another. Your presupposition that Muslims, collectively have this plan to gain control of all the oil and then cut off the western world, seems over-reaching the limits of reason based only on a fear that they will do such a thing. Simply because it is ‘your’ plan to gain control of the world’s oil reserves, at the expense of the sovereignty and lives of Muslims and Mid East countries.

      • TML

        In short, your presupposition is putting the cart before the horse, by crediting Muslims with aspirations which the west has been trying to achieve since before Muslims even knew they sat on such oil reserves.

  • sesame

    These are not Acts of War. They are riots in a country with a weak government unable to control its streets. Gingrich is a perpetual war monger with loose lips and a big mouth. We don’t need anymore needless wars. We’ve had enough of that nonsense in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have more important work to do here at home

    • Patriot1776

      So you are okay with unarmed American citizens being murdered, sovereign American territory being attacked with automatic weapons and RPGs and the American flag being decimated and replace with a foreign flag? I guess just because the crowd got a little out of control we should just look the other way? Boys will be boys?

      You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Sesame is okay with our people getting killed overseas as long as he is not touched in any way.

      • TML

        I think it’s a strawman to think that someone is ‘okay’ with those things (especially since his comment did not even remotely imply such) merely because they might believe there is a far more reasonable answer to the problem, than more acts of war which sparked the incident in the first place. Indeed, the answer to these problems is not more of the same policies that created the problem.

        Small minds which see violence and war as the only answer (more of the same policies that created the problem) tend to believe that anything less than war is merely appeasement. And this is incorrect. Certainly those rioters (who make up less than 1% of the population) should be brought to justice, and we should work with the government of Libya to do that as best we can… but to make war with the entire foreign country, for the actions of a few, is in no way justifiable.

      • Gordon

        Come on. Get real. It is just those muslims exercising their freedom of speech and freedom to assemble together to protest. tsk tsk tsk

      • eddie47d

        In our many skirmishes with the British in 1776 we won territory and lost territory and then we prevailed. We actually took land that belonged to the British and made it our own. Libya has a very young government and there will be territory lost but we will prevail,the embassy will be rebuilt and the Libyan government could be a very important ally. Why are you so eager to destroy this alliance over one incident. Our flag will once again be raised over a new embassy and those who caused the damaged will not win.

      • Gordon

        I actually have a really good friend who quit watching TV several years ago, doesn’t participate or listen to any pollitical comments,,etc. just lives as isolated as he can while he runs his business in town. He says that regardless of what he does or thinks, nothing will change, so he just avoids controversy. So far he’s done pretty well….. hard to disagree. Yes he votes Republican.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So long as we appease we will have peace, is that what you mean, sesame.
      Why do you Leftists all sound like termites?

    • eddie47d

      Nadzieja is okay with thousands of American soldiers being killed without any valid reason for being there. As long as it doesn’t effect her “moral” senses.

  • jopa

    It was a small group of Al Qaida terrorists that killed the Americans at the Consulate not the Libyan army.The Libyan public is grateful to America for their freedom from Qaddafi.That is why Gingrich is such a loser like Romney by going off half cocked without knowing the facts or just trying to mislead the public for political gain.Talk like this is very dangerous and gets our troops killed for no reason and these punks(Gingrich and Romney) should be held accountable.

    • Patriot1776

      Thank goodness we have people like you that have all of the facts and can remain calm in the face of danger. To maintain composure and keep your facilities while American’s are being murdered by terrorists is amazing.

    • Gordon

      So, in principle, you are saying that since they cannot “police themselves” that it is OK for some of them to KILL our citizens on Embassy soil and that the USA should ignore it? Apologize for it?

    • eddie47d

      Apparently these American hotheads love to see Americans killed Jopa and are encouraging these videos and slander from Gingrich and Romney. What is THEIR secret plan in world conquest and all to the benefit of the NWO.

    • Gordon

      Thank God that there actually are “every day Americans” that know more about foreign policy and behind the scenes intelligence than Newt and Romney and their cronies.

  • http://aol smith

    The next time I hear or read of someone saying Obama is weak , I think I’ll puke! Obama ,these past four years, has always been America’s number one enemy (look a his record) as he has successfuly in every way brought us to the brink of total impotence. Now, with Islam blazing , we dare not refer to Obama as an enemy until he gives the Muslim Brotherhood more money or refuses to support Israel when attacked….and, what do we do then with the cowards and enemies in congress? We had better rightfully assume Obama really is a Muslim(all of his behavior etc.shows it)….then why should he have not known of these latest MUSLIM plans and attacks on our embassies and the murder of our people.After all, he has invited the Muslim Brotherhood to his/our Whitehouse as their BROTHER? If he is reelected, Obama will have succeeded again in creating internal chaos between ourselves to the point of impotent inability to truly recognise who our true enemy is.Then if marshal law is ordered , who will our miliary support?We had better start thinking of these possibilities becoming probabilities now ! If Romney loses , better break-out something to defend ourselves with. Lastly, don’t you think it’s ironically laughable that Obama now is pulling ahead in the Polls thanks to true idiocy in America, of all places? Obama, indeed is not weak or stupid. Most psychopaths, especially narcississtic types, the so-called SOCIALIZED SOCIOPATHS, are intelligent and OBAMAISH , not the stupid stereotypical idiots in prison! Don’t get me wrong, I really would like to see Obama in jail!Nothing would make me more than happy!

    • FreedomFighter

      No bullets for the Marines at the American Embarasement>embassy? Hmm..guess they were told to use harsh language?

      IMHO when they or leadership take the bullets away, they are deliberate in the blood sacrifice of all involved and have a hidden agenda and wanted the incident.

      Can you say….FALSH FLAG

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Gordon

        “Your tone is quasi-facetious”……. “Approach maniac. Repeat command with even more assertiveness, and add the words, or else.”

      • FreedomFighter

        Sorry Gordy they didnt issue any bullets and I have nothing to fire back at you but harsh language….

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Proud American

      well said, Smith
      Obama is the enemy of America, if he wins, America is doom and we will lose our country to a commie dicator.

    • Gordon

      Treason = execution.

      • eddie47d

        Romney has no foreign leadership credentials except being a long time friend of Netanyahu. That was strictly the business of making money for both of them. Before you start any wars first follow the money and what is to be gained from those deals. If Romney is elected we will automatically be at war and that would be treasonous =execution. The New Word Order is about making money and manipulating the world’s markets and thus warmongering. Can you connect the dots?

  • http://N/A Marvin Sakin

    This is a reply to all these war mongers. I am retired military from the United States Army 101st Airborne Division. I enlisted in the United States Army in September 1948 after I graduated from Baltimore City College(HIGH SCHOOL). In September 1949 after basic training and combat leadership school I volunteered for 101st Airborne Division. After I finished jump school in November 1949 we trained for combat. On June 24, 1950 United States and NATO went to war to prevent North Korea and China from absorbing South East Asia. We were successful and it only took three and one half years. I stayed in the United States Army. The United States had some serious situations with “RUSSIA” in the early 60″s but no war.

    “THE START OF THE VIET NAM WAR AUGUST 1964″.
    In response to the “INCIDENTS INVOLVING U.S NAVALVESSELS” THE U.S. CONGRESS OVERWHELMINGLY PASSES “THE GULF TONKIN RESOLUTION”. The war ended IN 1974 when the UNITED STATES MILITARY WAS *FORCED* TO LEAVE VIET NAM. THE VIET NAM WAR WAS ONE OF THE WORST *MISTAKES THIS GREAT COUNTRY HAS MADE IN ITS HISTORY.

    Except for “SUPPORTING ISRAEL” and “THE FIRST GULF WAR” OUR MILITARY ACTIONS IN THE “MIDDLE EAST HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE MISTAKES”.

    I served in Viet Nam. In my military career there were two times that were the most horrible experiences of my life. “THE RETREAT FROM THE *FROZEN CHOZEN IN KOREA*, AND THE *13 MONTHS I SERVED IN VIET NAM*.

    I will be 83 years young December 1. In those 83 years I have seen and experienced many very negative and very positive situations and happenings. The VIET NAM, AND THE TWO WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE “RESPONSIBLE” FOR MOST OF THE MANY PROBLEMS IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

    * IF THE UNITED STATES GOES TO WAR AGAIN WITHOUT USING VERY POSSIBLE WAY AND MEANS TO AVOID WAR, AND RETAINING OUR *HONOR*, THE WORLD AS WE ALL KNOW IT WILL NOT BE A LIVEABLE WORLD*.

    I AM AN INTELLIGENT, WELL INFORMED, MATURE, VERY LOYAL AMERICAN. “I LOVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND WOULD SERVE AGAIN TO *HONOR, *PROTECT, *GIVE MY LIFE IF NECESSARY.

    “WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN’T LET THE SO CALLED ELECTED AND NON ELECTED MEN AND WOMEN PERSUADE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO GO TO WAR.

    *IF GINRICH AND THE REST OF THESE WAR MONGERS WANT TO GO TO WAR WHY DON’T THEY “VOLUNTEER FOR THE MILITARY”?

    AS FAR AS EVERYBODY KNOWS *GINRICH, *CHANEY. AND *ROMNEY ARE NOT VIET NAM VETERANS, OR HAVE ANY MILITARY SERVICE.

    ANY INFORM, INTELLIGENT , EXPERIENCED AMERICAN WHO WANTS TO DEBATE WITH ME ABOUT THIS GREAT COUNTRY CONTACT ME.

    • 45caliber

      I am also a Vietnam vet with both the 173rd and 82nd Airborne groups. The problem I had with Vietnam was NOT the enemy but with our own Congress who refused to allow us to do anything to win the war. And then, when it was won, they gave back all we had done. Korea was almost as bad that way. All other wars since then are also run by Congress – not the President or the military. We were basically targets there – not allowed to shoot (even if in places like D-Zone that was all VC or North Vietnamese) because we “might miss and hit some innocent person”. We weren’t allowed to destroy or take any equipment we found they could use. We weren’t allowed to do anything that MIGHT harm their ability to wage war.

      The main reason was not because of who we fought. It was done that way to prevent any general from getting a good reputation for winning a war and running for President as Eisenhower did. That wasn’t fair (to the politicians) since they had worked all their lives for that position and here some general stepped in and took it from them. They have to insure no general gets that chance again.

      • Gordon

        The US fought the British twice. Fought the spanish twice. Fought the Germans twice. Fought the Commie Chinese twice, and lost both times: and they said that they would “take over the USA without firing a shot”. Now the perpetual jihad. mmmmmm.

      • Gordon

        45 CAL. Thank you for your service to our Country.

      • eddie47d

        Thank You Sakin in being wise about all these false flag wars. Some think more of their service and pride rather than what these wars have done to our history and how we set ourselves up.

    • Ye Olde Town Crier

      Dear brother Sakin, I am grateful for men like you who have been wiling to serve and who are now willing to speak out.

      Police action “wars” are too easy to declare and do not have enough monitoring by the congress. I have long thought that was what was wrong with Viet Nam. I suspect President Kennedy’s reluctance to commit troops to Viet Nam had some influence with his assassination.

      It was Eisenhower who wisely warned us to be cautious of those who stood to make profit by war.

      Korea had a lesson for us. The Chinese had a direct interest in preventing ANY democratic form of government on its borders. That is why the Chinese so quickly lent aid and even troops to the North.

      A friend from work was there when the Chinese came pouring across the bridges of the Yalu. He said they ran out of bullets and were facing a horde of the enemy. Only a sergeant was left in charge, officers all dead, He ordered to retreat and reform at the last line of defense where there was ammunition. He ordered the men to discard all unnecessary equipment and RUN as fast as possible in order to save as many of them as he could. My friend said he picked up several GI’s who fell in holes or over obstacles. The Chinese had so much equipment on them they couldn’t keep up. When the GI’s got to the line of defense, they loaded up with ammo. When the Chinese and North Koreans arrived they were ready. It is not some made up sick nonsense that the GI’s used the bodies as sandbags.

      It has been reported by many sources that MacArthur wanted the bridges of the Yalu blown so the Chinese could not use them. But Truman was afraid that would enrage the Chinese and bring them INTO the war. Poor judgment there if you ask me, they were in the war from the start.

      Somewhat the same thing occurred in Viet Nam. The Chinese like having a communist North on their border so they supported the north from the beginning. The US played that war foolishly. Allowing neighboring countries to be immune for assisting or allowing the communist north to maneuver there was a mistake. The US should have retaliated against any aid to the north and it would have halted. I’m thinking now of Laos. There was a lot of Chinese supplied equipment in Viet Nam so they were assisting from the start. AK-47′s with Chinese markings were numerous. I saw several.

      The US leaders should have taken the example from Korea seriously and known the Chinese would lend support.

      The US never lost a battle in Viet Nam, it was congress that lost the war by ending the funding of the military.

      I don’t claim to have all the answers for the “wars” we are in now, but it seems to me we should bring all the troops home, close the embassies, and keep our money at home. Let them find out how nice life is without US “interference”.

      • Gordon

        Ye Olde Town Crier.Thak you for your service, and thank you to all who did and are. War is hell, and there is not a simple answer. After the muslims unite and control the oil, …….

    • Gordon

      Marvin, thank you for your service to our Country. You make a lot of sense.

  • jopa

    Patriot Every year tens of thousands of Americans are murdered by Americans on our city streets.Now is the time to bring the troops home from Afghanistan and fix our own problems and let the Afghans, Iraqi’s,Egyptians and the rest of them to fix their own on there own dollar.USA first.What was an Al Qaeda attack in Libya to be politicized in any other way for Romney trying to get some political credibility is just sickening.Let’s just face the fact he and his advisers are clueless.Romney is bad for America.

    • BigGeezer

      jopa it’s you that’s bad for America. Where did Romney enter this discussion?

    • Gordon

      Bringing troops home will not cure the crime rampage in the USA. Are you advocating marshall law dispensed by the US military? Crime originates in a persons mind/integrity/values, and criminals don’t CARE about the victims. Our Nation is in imminent danger of socio-economic collapse which will bring hard times to all citizens. I pity the 20% who are prepared because the 80% denying the situation will be seeking our resources with great zeal.

    • Gordon

      Idealism is great. There is only one of two electable choices. Of the many issues facing our Nation, throwing ficticious money at those problems is unsustainable. Grandpa often said, “The next depression will make the 30s seem like a church picnic.”

    • eddie47d

      Problems of crime should be left to city police not the military. I don’t want them in my town. That being said we should stop with all this war bluster and indeed bring our troops home to defend our nation. Our troops shouldn’t be pawns for any President or past and present challengers. We’re tired of this continual chess game.

  • FreedomFighter

    * IF THE UNITED STATES GOES TO WAR AGAIN WITHOUT USING VERY POSSIBLE WAY AND MEANS TO AVOID WAR, AND RETAINING OUR *HONOR*, THE WORLD AS WE ALL KNOW IT WILL NOT BE A LIVEABLE WORLD*.

    I agree, but the “powers” that run the world governments seem to want the war, and even if we as Americans exhauste every means of avoidance, the final prod will be delivered.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • jopa

    Marvin Sakin;Thank you very much for your service and your post.You still have one of the sharpest minds I have seen around here in a long time.Very well said.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You just openly admitted that your mind is not too sharp.

      • Gordon

        tacky

  • jopa

    FF;Sounds like the best way to avoid a war is to get rid of people like Romney, Ryan, and Gingrich with their senseless sabre rattling.The US Consulate was attacked by Al Qaida and not Libya.Romney wants to start a war with Iran, Syria Lybia and even tries to rattle the Russians.What a sad joke that guy is.Romney needs an adviser like Marvin Sakin that makes more sense than anyone that has posted here in a while.

    • 45caliber

      I might agree with you if you included all the Demos who also want to go to war. That includes Oblama. It is the easiest way in the world to get the voters’ attention off the economy – put their children in danger. The Demos did that for many years. Check out WWI, WWII, etc. Clinton tried it too to get people’s attention off his women. But if the Demos do it (as Oblama did in Libya) it is okay with you and others like you.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Who wants war? Try the Republicrats. And we threw Ron Paul to the wolves.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Magicians always get people to look at one hand while they perform their wiles in the other. We’re looking outside while the cancer is running rampant on the inside. Better yet, the cancer is running wild on the inside and outside

      • Gordon

        Christian American: The only thing we are voting on in this election is WHO WILL APPOINT THE NEXT 1>5 Supreme Court Justices.

        Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder, Rahn Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, etc?

      • eddie47d

        The “only thing” Gordon? You all have been harping on dozens of issues. Mentioning Barney and Bill as having any desire in being on the Supreme court is laughable. You are way out of touch or just plain touched!

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      If nothing else, the CIA is known for gumbling. They installed Pahlavi in Iran and the Iranians hated him and thru him out and have been our enemy ever since. They set up Osama bin Laden to go war with Russia. He did and found out America was using him and I shouldn’t have to tell you what our relatioship with Afghanistan is. They used Gadhafi’s enemies, an ally of America, and look what they’re doing to us. They’re using Al queda in Syria and you hear what Al Queda thinks of us. Assad could be an ally but America has to protect the Zionist state.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Of course America is at war with Libya. It was at war with Gadhafi when he proposed a gold Dinar for Libya and other Mid East and African countries in competition with the dollar. Same went for Saddam. They arranged the murder of Gadhafi and thought the people they backed would be one their puppets. Instead, they’re following in Gadhafi’s shoes. Same goes for Iraq. Gingrich is full of pride, Satan’s sin. He still thinks of America as a budding empire and anyone who stands in the way is an enemy. Like Ron Paul said: Because we’re over there, they’re over here. The people in charge in Libya treated our Ambassador the same way that we set up Gadhafi for. Pride always takes a fall, as it will for Satan.

    • BigGeezer

      wow… are you delusional… oh wait… you’re a ron paul cultist.

      • Ye Olde Town Crier

        do you actually think it is a good idea for the US to have its nose in other countries business?

      • mike

        So, you think Ron Paul is a fool for wanting to stop wasting money and lives on wars that are next to impossible. You LIKE the idea of the US sending its sons and daughters to these weird foreign countries where the people already hate us.

    • Gordon

      So Christian, are you and Ron Paul saying that if the USA gets out of the middle east, that all muslims will leave the USA? If only……

  • Ye Olde Town Crier

    Perhaps it is time to “end the war” in Arab countries.

    Bring home all the ambassadors, all the troops, and cut off all aid.

    Let them learn what life is like without US “interference”.
    When they go to the UN crying for aid, the US rep can simply say, you didn’t want us there so we left. You don’t want our evil influence there so certainly you don’t want our evil food, clothing, or money.

    Arabs do not attack the Swiss embassies. WHY?

    Cease the wasteful spending of dollars and lives with all those overseas operations.

    That would be better spent on a true defense. With all our troops home and causing no one “harm”, there would be no excuse for attacking any one or any thing US. Then make it so horribly costly to attack that it would be counter productive.

    • 45caliber

      We should not only do that, but we should also put ships and planes all around their part of the world, allowing no one in or out. Isolate them completely. And then see what they think.

      • THE HAMMER

        NUKE’EM ALL , LET GOD SORT THEM OUT.

      • Gordon

        Bring home all the troops and then military blockade their countries? Did I miss something in the translation?

    • Gordon

      Sure, then they will let us experience “life without their oil”.

      • Gordon

        Pause and think about it. Contemplate your existence that has 1/4 the gasoline. Almost no new plastics. Little if any utilities, lights, heating gas, etc. Extreme food shortages, rampant monetary inflation, bartering for bread, rampant crime, etc. Pause and think about it. It’s coming sooner than you think to a home near you.

      • 45caliber

        Gordon:

        You should check your figures about our oil sources. We get some oil from Saudi and some from Iran. The rest of that oil goes to Japan or Europe. Germany and France in particular get their oil for there. We get none from Iraq or Afghanistan. Most of our foreign oil comes from Canada, Venezualia, and Mexico in addition to the two Mid_East countries I mentioned. I would be willing to do without mid_east oil. In fact, one of the last reports I’ve seen shows the Mid-East to be down to about 12% of the original oil they had when it was discovered so I don’t expect us to continue getting it from them more than about another 10 years or so if we can keep getting it at the same rate everyone is getting it now. The US, on the other hand, has more undeveloped oil than all other known reserves in the world. That’s why many of us want to force the government to allow drilling here. Of course, to the oil companies, there isn’t as much profit in American oil, but I personally don’t care about their profits. The oil companies would prefer to ship American oil overseas and import the oil we use since they get far more profit that way.

    • Gordon

      “horribly costly to attack’? You mean, send them a bill, or nuke there asses?

      • 45caliber

        You should check the prices of some of our weapons. The last I heard, a cruise missile without a nuke head cost more than a million dollars. A nuke without any means of delivery is another million+. Depending upon the specialty, a soldier can cost between $100,000 and $500,000 to train. You can’t afford many of those to be killed so you have train replacements. And so on. It is only when you have cannon fodder you can equip with a simple rifle and little training that you can afford war. And those don’t last long when they go up against a good army. Dictators, however, love that type of army because it allows them to enslave their own people.

  • 45caliber

    For once, he is correct. A consulate property is considered by international law to be part of the country it belongs to. Therefore an American embassy is part of America and any invasion of that site is considered an invasion of America and an attack on it. However the Demos have never accepted that since Jimmy Carter failed to do anything about the embassy in Iran that was invaded. After all, if they did accept that, then Carter was badly wrong in what he did and did not do then. And no Demo President can be wrong in their eyes.

    The country where the embassy exists is supposed to protect that place from any attacks by their own citizens. If they fail to do that, then it is an act of war.

    Perhaps we should invade the Iranian, Libyaian, etc. embassies in NYC and see what happens …

    • Gordon

      After a year and a half of captivity, it didn’t take Reagan long to get our people back here, did it? They knew that Reagan didn’t worry about collateral damage.

    • TML

      45 says, “However the Demos have never accepted that since Jimmy Carter failed to do anything about the embassy in Iran that was invaded.”

      Considering it students who held Americans hostage in that embassy, I shudder to think what you expected to be done differently. The interesting thing I find about your comment is your failure to acknowledge that the hostage crisis was a direct result of American meddling in Iranian affairs to overthrow their democratically elected prime minister, and put the pro-U.S. Shaw back in power. They invaded the embassy because that was where the CIA engineered the coup 1953 and feared another attempt (which we did send a NATO general to try) to undermine the Iranian revolution of 1979.

      These invasions of the embassy in Libya, and other countries, are direct results of the same kind of meddling in their internal affairs of those countries through imperialist principles of the United States. This does not excuse the violence, but points to the simplicity that our actions have unintended consequences, and to learn from those mistakes, rather than continue to bully every nation on earth, and whine like babies when they stand up for themselves.

      45 says, “The country where the embassy exists is supposed to protect that place from any attacks by their own citizens. If they fail to do that, then it is an act of war.”

      So while we just helped the rebels overthrow the Libyan government, you expect them to be able to protect our embassy, and if they don’t then it is an act of war by the country? Kind of hypocritical don’t you think? Nay, it is our responsibility to protect what is ours, and the safety of those within.

      On the contrary, Gingrich is once again wrong. This was not an act of war by a country. It was violent dissent by a minority. Would you bomb L.A. to quell the rioters in 1992? Use your head before your heart, please.

      We should work with the Libyan government to bring those who conducted this violence to justice without war, and revise our failed foreign interventionist policies.

      • 45caliber

        TML”

        If you checked, the local police in several mid-eastern countries DID protect our embassies there in their country. The fact that it was a local group of their own citizens didn’t stop them. Try to invade one of their embassies here and see what happens. You’ll be lucky to even see the daylight in our prison after you are arrested by our own police.

      • TML

        Point well taken, but again, as I pointed out, this is, for all intensive purposes, a ‘new’ government recently replacing the old, and in the turmoil of the aftermath I don’t see how we can reasonably expect them to protect ‘us’ from remnants loyal to the prior regime, or the principles for which they stood.

        I would agree wholeheartedly in an instance of a long standing government, but we are talking about a region, a country, that is totally unstable. A condition we helped create, or at the very least, supported. It would not be honorable to declare this an act of war holding this new government (if you can even call it that at this stage) responsible.

        Still, even in regions where the government have been long standing; should we immediately declare such failure to protect our embassy… an act of war by the country as a whole?

        If an embassy is truly viewed as sovereign ownership, then the circumstances should have called for the national guard, secret service, or other security, within the fences… IF we are going to hold to such interventionist policies. However, I tend to think that when such danger is obvious, you remove those inhabiting the embassy, as we did recently in Syria.

        Frankly, I sat here a year ago watching the U.S. support the rebels of Libya, and thought…. “this isn’t going to be good. We will pay for our intervention.”

      • TML

        “And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

        Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government.

        America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

        She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

        She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

        She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

        She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

        Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

        But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

        She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

        She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

        The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force…. She might become the dictatress of the world.

        She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….

        [Her] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace.

        This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.

        - John Quincy Adams 1821

  • Marc

    NO MORE WARS PERIOD! Peace will never be achieved by fighting and killing. America has become the most hated country in the world. America is also considered to be the bullies on the block and we have the idiots to make that all possible. How many innocent nonmilitary Iraqis and Afghans that have been killed in this senseless war that isn’t even winnable. America just can’t seem to get a belly full of the fighting and killing,all they want is more of it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I notice you are not mourning for the American dead but are all boohoohoo sobsister over the predators of the world.

      • THE HAMMER

        Marc’s point is a simple one.

        Every time US action harms an innocent, the rest of the family remember and are more likely to lend support to the force the US is fighting.

        GOT THAT?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Better not pick a fight with your wife, her relatives will remember and pay you back. So does this simplification work better for your simple mind?

      • Gordon

        Innocents? Hey, I think that the family of murder, rape, and molestation victims in the USA should see the perpetrators executed on live TV.

      • eddie47d

        Now Gordon is talking like a good Muslim. Go figure!

  • old geezer

    Guess Newt made it back from the moon outpost?

  • chuckb

    we should never commit our troops to action when they put restraint on their action, if we invade a country for any reason then we should use every source of power we have in order to gain victory, otherwise stay out. we have lost countless thousands since ww2 for what? to occupy and pour our resources into and all we gain is more tax burden on this country, the liberal and bolshevik way is what we have seen since korea. .if barry is re-elected, you can rest assured our next venture will be in africa, there are several hot spots and most of it is stirred up by muslims, this religion is a breeding ground for the poor and ignorant, just look at our president,

  • Sam

    There is plenty of oil in the US & Canada. Stop depending on foreign oil. Get Obama out of the office.

    • http://N/A Marvin Sakin

      GOOD AFTERNOON SAM, I AGREE 100% WE DO HAVE MORE THEN ENOUGH ENERGY PRODUCTS IN THE UNITED STATES TO RUN THIS GREAT COUNTRY. WHY DOESN’T HAPPEN? IT HASN’T HAPPEN SINCE OUR FIRST OIL SITUATION WHEN RICHARD NIXON WAS PRESIDENT. OUR SO CALL PEOPLE’S REPRESENTATIVES IN WASHINGTON, AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURERS, AND THE OIL COMPANIES ARE IN THE POCKETS OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES. WE HAVE ENOUGH “NATURAL GAS” AVAILABLE IN THE UNITED STATES TO SUPPLY OUR ENERGY NEEDS ESPECIALLY FOR AUTOS, TRUCKS, AND BUSES. IN FACT THE PUBLIC TRANSIT IN BALTIMORE ALREADY HAVE THEM ON OUR STREETS.
      I AM RETIRED MILITARY UNITED STATES ARMY 101ST AIRBORNE 38 YEARS. I AM 83 YEARS YOUNG. IF THE PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WANT OUR LIVES TO BE BETTER WE MUST APPLY THE HARDEST PRESSURE TO THE REPRESENTATIVES IN WASHINGTON.

      HAVE A GREAT DAY.

  • THE HAMMER

    Develop our own system of fueling the country by using bio fuels, solar, and wind. Then let them eat their oil while we keep our troops home and listen to them cry and moan that the US isn’t there helping anymore.

    THEY HATE US THE WHOLE TIME THEY ARE USING US.

    So stop feeding them and give them a real reason to hate us. at least that way there will be fewer of them to worry about. They breed like rats because it is their “duty” to populate and overcome the entire world.

    They are going to hate us no matter what, so we might as well save our resources for our own people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128550113 Dean Allen

      Bio-fuels, solar and wind don’t work and never will. That’s like saying just put the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy in charge of energy production.

      Fortunately, oil, gas, coal and nuclear energy sources work just fine and we have a thousand year supply of these right here in the good old USA. Get the idiots at the EPA out of the way. Put two million Americans to work producing our own oil. Build about 25 new, hi-tech clean refineries here in the USA. Soon we will have gasoline under a dollar a gallon. Foreign ships will line up outside our ports to purchase our surplus oil.

      And the camel molesters can go back to killing each other as they have been doing for thousands of years.

  • FreedomFighter

    Gerald Celente: Criminal Banksters Launching New World War

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/gerald-celente-criminal-banksters-launching-new-world-war.html

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • chuckb

      ff, i listened to the video by celente, i do not wish to argue with you, however, this is nothing but, pure gibberish, not once did this guy produce a solution only accusation and even with all that most of it didn’t make sense. to not vote is a stupid statement, both romney and barry are the same, i’m sorry, i don’t buy that for a minute. if anything barry is the puppet controlled by the people he speaks of, i see no sign where you can connect romney other than the republican party heirarchy and i don’t think they are smart enough to fall in the category of world rulers. money is the root of all evil, and i believe part of what this man says is right, yet, this world problem is too big for anyone to control, we have on one hand a cultish religion that wants to rule the world with sharia law on the other you have people celente speaks of, on the other you have the communist/marxist who want to rule the world i think marxism is a religion to many, our education system has for the last sixty years implanted these politics into the students. all in all we have a person in the white house that is detrimental to the health of this country and to say not vote against him makes me think the speaker is sympathetic to the status quo. ron paul is not running and a vote for gary johnson is a vote for barry.

      • FreedomFighter

        Not his job to provide a solution, its our leaderships responsibility, its what we elected them to do.

        You can fact check all you want, you more than likely wont find any errors.

        Easy to spout off, now prove what you say.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • got my licence

    The radical Muslims will always find a reason. There is nothing we can do to make them happy. They hate us because we exist. The Muslim belief is that their God will not return untill the whole world is Muslim and even if this was to come to pass they would still find a reason to kill.

  • http://centurylink.com EllenM Smith

    Republicans are WAR MONGALS. NEWT IIS NUTS.

    • gunner689AI

      If al queda could vote in our upcoming presidential election, who do you think they’d support?

    • firefight

      Ellen Smith,
      For your information, every war we’ve ever been in began with a Democrat in the White House. The Viet Nam war began while Kennedy was in office and was escalated by Lyndon Jounson. You need to seriously do some homework before you start pointing your illiterate finger at Republicans and starting lies. We, the educated, are particularly annoyed by those of you who are not.

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    War and killings should not be politicized. Thousands of Americans are being sent to their deaths along with millions of innocents across the Middle East. For some of you to use this platform to say that it’s Rep/Dem’s fault is shameful. If you continue to politicize these wars then you are willfully turning a blind eye to the real causes of these wars and you make your favorite pundits proud of you. Please. Stop listening to these intentional distractions and the speeches meant to detour you and make you numb to the fact that these wars are unjust and NOT bringing about ANY kinds of peace and are furthering death and destruction across the globe.
    http://thegic.org/video/the-truth-about-democracy-breaking-reality-2013?xg_source=activity

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128550113 Dean Allen

      If folks had thought like you in WW II you and I would be sprechen sie Deutsch now and Hitler’s picture would be on the $100 bill instead of Franklin!

  • chuckb

    ff, spouting off is not what i’m doing. what i say is, this problem in the world is not fixable by man alone, throughout the ages man has fought with each other in an attempt to control the world. what celente is saying is “it’s the bankers”, there’s no one powerful enough to rule this world, bankers or kings, any attempt only leads to more wars.
    it is time to control our country and rid it of the social parasites that live in washington. the best way to defeat the bankers is clean up our own country and stay in our boundaries, we are not the world police. i do believe we should help israel, however, i do blame the communist jews for a lot of our trouble along with the muslims. so my solution: remove barry and the communist behind him and at the same time give the muslims a one way ticket back to sand land.

    • old hillbilly

      you’re right – not much left to say…..

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        This is not a reply, more a call for help!

        A week ago Friday, I was watching a video relating to the 911 event, linked by, I think, Galt. It was a broadcaster from a small staion, wearing a red shirt or pullover, sitting alongside two or three video monitors, discussing the ‘facts’. disputing them and then showing video to prove his alternative view.

        Half way through the video my computer was infected by the File Recovery virus and switched off. When I got it back up and running I had lost all but three of my programs, but still had access to e mail. I got back onto the site, but had lost the thread and cannot find it again.

        Although I am not much of a conspiracy theorist, I would very much like to see the remainder of the video, it was so intruiging. So if anyone recognises my description of the video and has the link or title, I would very much appreciate having the details.

  • old hillbilly

    The Arab mess unveils the most corrupt and perverse political environment in history! The Libyan embassy was attacked and demolished because there was no protection and the terrorists obviously knew that fact. Bad as that was, the immediate abomination of Obama administration lies and cover-up fanned those flames to create a mayhem of wild fire across the mid east! Truth including the existence of a dumb movie you don’t have to watch or believe never hurt anyone! Obama, Rice, Carney and others who were fomenting wild lies of the “movies”, enraged millions of idiot Muslims who never saw a movie, let alone that one! The most dangerous thing around is pathological liars ruling psychotic followers who like to turn up the volume, turn out the lights, and play war in the mental ward!

    Can anyone see a reason to not run these liars out of town on a rail & make their names synonymous with scorn? Let them be known for what they are and we’ll not be deceived again!

  • LC

    Great! So how are we going to end the wars? Both candidates want more war so our choices are what again? Thats right! NO CHOICE at all…the way they like it.
    “Now where did I put that SCOPE, I need to get this awful taste out of my mouth.”

  • gunner689AI

    If Bo had been our Pres in the 1940′s the Japs would have been bombing St. Louis before he decided what to do.
    PC is Bs

  • chuckb

    barry is using the video to cover his tracks, this uprising has nothing to do with the movie, of course the terrorist are using it now since the media opened the door for them. we no longer have free press in this country, they are a propaganda machine for this administration. how people continue to support this loser is beyond me. and don’t give me both candidates are the same, the bolsheviks would love for you to think that, barry has no equal, just replace him. .

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Tattoomama

    Take our service members-and ALL OUR MONEY–and leave that God-forsaken armpit of he world! They will end up killing themselves off and the world will be better off for it.

    • GALT

      Interesting…….but not very realistic……

      1.) a military ( mercenary ) career now pays upwards of the median income in the U.S.
      2.) regardless of your personal choices, you will always have 3 hots and a cot. (or mre’s)
      3.) what would exxon mobil do?
      4.) any serious combat exp can be parleyed into straight mercenary service.
      6.) extermination is about to become big business.
      7.) no experience necessary, just the willingness to OBEY!

      • Realist

        GALT says:
        September 18, 2012 at 12:29 am

        Interesting…….but not very realistic……
        ____________________________________________________________
        Interesting and very realistic

        1.) a military ( mercenary ) career now pays upwards of the median income in the U.S.
        As it should: A combat medic is hardly mercenary in nature nor 360 other skills
        —————————————————————————————————————
        2.) regardless of your personal choices, you will always have 3 hots and a cot. (or mre’s)
        true but most enlist for career enhancement or skill training and prefer meals besides MREs.
        ______________________________________________________________________
        3.) what would exxon mobil do?
        Move to Alaska where it is safer?
        ______________________________________________________________________
        4.) any serious combat exp can be parleyed into straight mercenary service.
        Possibly but not necessarily. Your response shows you lack of knowledge of what military careers can do for a young man or woman. If anything, we need troop deployment on the southern border for security
        ______________________________________________________________________
        6.) extermination is about to become big business.
        You mean genocide? That’s a scary thought. You must be afraid of bringing the troops out of theater in the middle east to become productive citizens or serve in garrison.
        ______________________________________________________________________
        7.) no experience necessary, just the willingness to OBEY!
        To support and Defend the constitution for the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic. And obey all orders of those appointed over me. (legal orders that is)
        8.) A service person would much rather be home with the family than to be in the desert engaging in a campaign of war for corporate interests or political abuse.

  • gunner689AI

    Would someone please logically answer this question? If Bo was born, raised, and educated as a Muslim and then converted to Christianity; why is there not a fatwa on his head? That conversion is supposed to be a mortal sin and an abomination to islam.
    I felt that Clinton was the Manchurian candidate for the Red Chinese; Maybe Bo’s the same for the muslims. He’s shown time and again not to have America’s best interests at heart on the world stage. PC is BS

    • Realist

      Wait until he finishes his term (s) there will be an all muslim secret service detail assigned to him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128550113 Dean Allen

      Bo was born in the British East African Protectorate (became Kenya three years later) to two biological parents who were each athiests and communists. His step-father, Sotero, in Indonesia was a Moslem and tried to raise Barry to be one as well.

      Obama’s number one religion is Marxism and wealth redistribution. He can feign Christianity or Islam when it suits his political needs or furthers his wealth redistribution goals.

  • firefight

    What if we decided to play Cowboys and Muslims?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128550113 Dean Allen

      Damn great idea as far as I am concerned. I have the boots, hat & guns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128550113 Dean Allen

    As usual, Gingrich is right on the money and the man from Kenya is spouting lies. As for who started this war? It was a mad Arab named Mohammed, piss be upon him, in around 622 A.D. and they have been slitting the throats of infidels ever since. These evil monsters intend to impose the terrible “Day of Islam” when they dominate the smoking embers of the world and usher in the world wide Moslem Caliphate and the reign of the 12th Imam.

    Anyone who thinks any of this either started, or has been made worse by any US action since the time of Thomas Jefferson, is woefully and completely ignorant of world history.

  • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    My message was for FREEDOMFIGHTER, but somehow got misplaced by your system

  • firefight

    Back to Newt…….He’s right. This attack on our people and the murder of our Ambassador was an act of war. Now, we need to point out that the war is with AlQueida. Not Libya. We should declare all out war on these Muslim extremists and kill everyone of them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128550113 Dean Allen

      Firefight is partially right. Our war should not be with any specific nation state. Our war is not however only with al Qaeda. They are merely one facet of the greater enemy which is Islam. It would have been a mistake to say we were at war in WW II with only the Gestapo, or only the Waffen SS, instead of the whole of Nazism.

      Islam is fundamentally evil. There is no moderate form of Islam. Trying to coexist with any form of Islam is sort of like looking for a tasty nutritious recipe for turds.

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