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Get Out Of The Zone

December 6, 2012 by  

Get Out Of The Zone
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Devin McLean is 22 years old. A veteran of the Air Force, McLean served his country and countrymen with pride and honor. After departing the Air Force, McLean went to work at AutoZone. Were you to drop by the Yorktown, Va., AutoZone location where McLean was employed, you likely wouldn’t have noticed him except to ask for directions to the spark plugs. Like hundreds of thousands — if not millions — of his fellow veterans, McLean had almost seamlessly reintegrated into civilian life. Indeed, his concern for his fellow servicemen and servicewomen had been replaced by concern for family; McLean is due to be a first-time father soon.

Last month, as McLean and his manager faced an armed robbery attempt by a man believed to have carried out nearly three dozen similar crimes throughout the region, McLean put his training to good use. He ran to his truck, retrieved his firearm and pointed it at the would-be robber, who then fled the scene. Given the criminal’s alleged history, McLean likely saved a number of lives.

But AutoZone isn’t promoting McLean. It isn’t throwing a party in his honor. He will receive no certificate of appreciation for his valiant efforts. Indeed, instead of accolades for bravery, he received a pink slip for violating corporate policy.

As it turns out, AutoZone has a strict corporate policy forbidding firearms on company property. When McLean moved to defend himself, his coworkers and his customers, he violated that policy. When AutoZone management learned of his heroism, they terminated him. And Devin McLean the hero became Devin McLean the unemployed hero.

The sorry saga of Devin McLean spread across the Web like gonorrhea rocketed through Zuccotti Park during the height of the so-called “Occupy” movement. While most interested parties shared their outrage over AutoZone’s silly stringency, some pointed out that the AutoZone policy was likely motivated by fear of collateral damage arising from an exchange of gunfire in one of the shops. I expect random shootouts are as common at AutoZone as they are at most auto parts supercenters — meaning a no-gun policy is more a result of a corporate fear of lawyers than a corporate fear of warfare breaking out in the brake pad aisle.

If an employee squeezes off a couple of rounds in the parking lot to show off for the transmission guy, then showing him the street is not only reasonable, but required. If an employee saves the transmission guy with a gun he would otherwise have left in his glove box, then firing him is not only silly, but sad. Sure, he violated policy; but had he not done so, the Yorktown store manager might have changed his last fuel filter. Corporate policy is one thing; human life is another. In favoring the former at the potential expense of the latter, AutoZone isn’t acting beyond the realm of corporate reason. After all, it has the right to maintain any policies it wishes, within the bounds of the law. Leave it to the hero himself to offer his former bosses some perspective: “If I can save somebody’s life, I put that way above a store policy.”

AutoZone ought to consider that while it is quite free to enforce a no-gun policy beyond the borders of rigidity, I am likewise free to buy everything from wiper blades to tail lamp bulbs at NAPA.

–Ben Crystal

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Update: This article was corrected to reflect Devin McLean’s correct age and to remove language that indicated he served in Afghanistan (he did not) and that there were employees or customers in the store (there were not), as well as to properly describe the events as McLean said they occurred.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Vicki

    AutoZone has been removed from my list of approved vendors.

    • Jack

      Yes if the robber had killed everyone their I guess that would be okay with Auto Zone polices. I see Auto Zone loseing bussiness. The last time I was at Auto Zone the guy there did not know about the car part I needed. So I went too Nappa and they had the part I needed!

      • Richard Babin

        The policy-makers at AutoZone hardly spend any time at their stores; so, they aren’t worried about their butts being on the “firing-line” and they certainly aren’t concerned with the safety and well-being of its customers.

        To me, McLean is a hero. Unfortunately, hero’s are not longer welcomed in the USA – our leaders and the elites want us all to be robots following their orders without questions or objections. Welcome to the “New America” — don’t you just love this “hope and change”?

        I just figured out what “hope and change” really means in America — I “hope” the “change” doesn’t kill me!”

      • Kate8

        This kind of idiocy has been going on for a long time. This is not a singular incident.

        I recall, a few years back, a guy in NY shot an armed intruder and was arrested for possessing a firearm in NY. He went to trial, as I recall, and was convicted. Didn’t matter that it was self-defense. Guns are illegal in NY.

        So, now we are required to allow crime to run amok, even to the point of people being murdered, and we are not allowed to defend ourselves. We cannot even pull a gun if our families are being attacked. If we do, we are penalized. It’s accept being killed (or watching someone else die) or lose everything. Some choice.

        It seems that possession of a firearm is a crime that trumps all others. Even though it’s a guaranteed right for all Americans.

        Have we had enough yet? No…we’ll just yawn and go about our business…yet again.

      • Ed

        @Kate,
        This is exactly why there is “jury nullification”- so that we the people can free anyone who is in the right, regardless of what the lawyers and judges try to tell us… look it up in your favorite search engine and remember, for future reference…

      • Vicki

        Courts go out of the way to prevent jurors from finding out their DUTY to judge the law as well as the facts of the case. Until jurors KNOW their Duty the problem will persist.

        http://www.fija.org

        • Joe America

          Hey! Juries don’t rob and kill people. Us professional criminals do. Just make sure that everyone is unarmed, so as to make our jobs a little easier. Criminals have families too and we want all our robbers and killers to get home to them, safely and unharmed, especially now that the holidays are upon us. Merry Christmas.

        • Wumingren

          And do not, under any circumstances, admit that you are even aware of the concept of jury nullification. I have never been called to jury duty, though I have voted in every election that I was eligible to vote in (some have suggested that if you don’t vote, you’re not on the roll of prospective jurors). I do believe that if ever called to jury duty, I will seek advice from an attorney conversant in jury nullification, so I can make it past the hurdles that prevent an informed citizen from serving on a jury.

      • Old Henry

        Richard, I thought it was Hope and Chains…

      • Old Henry

        Ed, You are absolutely correct. And that applies to both Grand and Petit Juries.

        Juries are known as the Fourth Branch of Government. That is something the lawyers and judges try desperately to keep hidden.

      • http://www.facebook.com/nonafortune.lightner Nona Fortune Lightner

        you are so right! over the years, my cars had parts from NAPA–a place of choice with my mechanics.

    • Robert Smith

      Once again the corporate suits work for the 1% to disarm us.

      Rob

      • JUKEBOX

        I have worked for Advance Auto Parts, and they have the same policy as AutoZone, and I believe most of the major auto parts retailers have a similar policy. I know for a fact that they also have a policy of not resisting an armed robber in any way, at the risk of being fired. I guess they had rather take a chance of paying out a death claim by an employee.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Does anyone know if there is a fund established to contribute money to McLean and his starting family? I don’t want to see McLean join the parasite class and go on government dole.

      • Corsica

        I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there’s a website or something. I would definitely contribute.

      • larry ryan

        I would contibute. And, of course, AutoZone is free to have any corporate policy it likes. Just as I agree with Crystal that I and my family are free not to shop there. Bet the PR guys and ad guys would like to slap the crap out of the lawyers and corporate zombies who fired him.

    • Randy131

      How truly sad! I too will never step foot in an Auto Zone again. How ironic that the Obama administration took all the credit for killing Osama bin Laden, yet did nothing to protect the lives of those in an 8 hour fire-fight in Benghazi, where 4 Americans were killed, 2 heros, who saved many lives there, were killed in the last hour of the fire-fight, and Obama, his administration, and our military, are rightfully being castrated for their non-actions during those 8 hours of that fire-fight. Then this brave former Airforce military personell, did take actions to save other Americans right here at home in that Auto Zone, and he too is castrated by losing his job for doing so. Is this really still the ‘Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave’, or is this the ‘CHANGE’ Obama promised when first campaigning for the Presidency? It seems Auto Zone would have done the same as Obama did during that 8 hour fire-fight in Benghazi, ‘NOTHING’. Oh sorry, Obama did do something, he went to bed at the beginning of the fire-fight in Benghazi, so he could get up early the next morning and take a trip to Las Vegas for a campaign fundraiser, while the 4 Americans in Benghazi died, pleading for help in their communications with the White House, and they did have good communications with the White House, as we have found out through reports by the conservative media, with the knowledge that the entire fire-fight was recorded both on video and voice recordings through those communications.

      • NoGOPjustLIBERTY

        There is no Benghazi story, let it go. The intelligence community failed just like it did for 9/11. This President is TEN times the man Rmoney would have ever been.

        • Joe America

          OK, you need to qualify that statement, the one about Obama being ten times the man Romney is. I’ve got to hear this. Proceed.

      • Old Henry

        NGJL, go re-fill your crack pipe.

        Soetor should be swinging from a tree in front of OUR WH for his treasonous actions.

      • nickkin

        Randy….the problem with this pussy-foot Administration is that they hide behind skirts like Mooshell and Dizzely-Hillary, Rice-Ice and botox-pelosi. The milk toast s0-called “wannabe-pres.” has his little female minions making decisions on life and death, of which they interpret as getting pregnant and surviving giving birth without dying.

    • Nathaniel Bragg

      I will no longer shop at Auto Zone!!!

      • eddie47d

        …or NAPA or Advanced Auto! Good Luck!

      • Gordon

        or Wal Mart,
        or the Post Office,
        or Lowes,
        or Home Depot,
        or Menards
        or McDonalds
        or Burger King
        or etc.
        etc
        etc

        NO coporate entity that I am aware of (educate me) allows employees to carry guns while on duty in their stores. Simple Lawyereeze because they don’t want to be sued. period

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003624642108 Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

      All Auto Zone employees need to keep that in mind. When their is a robbery, they need to file a law suite against the company for trauma and anything else that is just as stupid as their stupid policy. So long you bunch of none employees creeps. Now the robbers know they have a better chance of a successful robbery..

    • Peter Sagi

      Far worse in the long run and far worse for most people is not this stupid gun policy at AutoZone, but another stupid policy of theirs … refusal to hire anyone without a socialist slavestate number. According to the slave enumeration bureau, “having and using a Social Security Number is 100% voluntary and not required to live OR WORK in the United States nor is it required to have just for the sake of having” and you can write them and ask, they will respond in kind, email or snail mail, their web is at ssa dot gov. Also, once korporate Amerika forces you into use of a socialist slavestate number, since no LAW required its use, the govt. deems that you have provided it VOLUNTARILY. Oh, and BTW, you have invited the federal govt. into what would otherwise have been a 2 party contract, and converted your hire into the taxble privilege of EMPLOYMENT, thereby incurring liability not only for FICA, payroll tax and Medicare tax, but federal income tax, state income tax, local income tax, and Obamacare as well. So for most of us most of the time, the AutoZone SSN policy is costing far more than their gun policy.

      Of course, we let them off the hook on that one, because “EVERYBODY KNOWS” that an SSN is required, even when it is not. And we let them off the hook because every other corporate entity does the same thing, or virtually so. And we let them off the hook because folks who profess to be pro Constitution like Bob Livingston never raise this issue. Well, Bob, tell me how it is you think we can all get our liberties back while, at the same time, welcoming the govt. to stick its hands in our pockets with SSN use and the income tax? Or perhaps it hasn’t occurred to you that the govt. sticking its hands in our pants (TSA) stems from the fact that we allowed those b’tards to stick their hands in our pockets? Perhaps we should have drawn the line a long time ago?

      I wouldn’t be suprised if AutoZone backs off and this kid gets his job back, because someone up in their corporate structure is probably smart enough to figure out that a boycott isn’t in their best interests. And the kid? He is likely to get lots of job offers elsewhere just over the outrage of his firing for using a gun to defend life and property. But what if this kid said that he wanted to get hired without a socialist slavestate number? Lots of luck, he would be out of a job until he created one for himself. And the worst part … to counter this, you would need to boycott all of korporate Amerika, not just one outlet like Autozone.

      Pete

      • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

        Peter,
        You deserve as big an “attaboy” as Mr. McLean, and then some. there’s more truth in your post than I’ve seen in an internet post in quite some time. I guess not not everyone’s ignorant/asleep after all.
        Best regards,
        Ed

      • eddie47d

        Boycotts seldom work anymore (some do). You probably wouldn’t be anymore successful than the one against Chik Fil A.

      • Wumingren

        You may have filled out government forms on which is the caveat that you may withhold your Social Security number, but it goes on to say that failure to provide it may have a negative impact on your application. Thus, it’s voluntary only if you want something done on your behalf. It’s kind of like, you have the right to hold your breath if you don’t like it.

    • Old Henry

      Yep Vicki, me too. And I am going to forward this article to friends. We have NAPA in the area along with O’Reilly Auto Parts.

      They both have good service and good prices.

    • LTCB

      Used to like shopping at my neighborhood Auto-Zone. I’ll make sure and drop in one more time to tell them why I’ll be shopping for all of my auto needs at Pep-Boys or NAPA in the future. They’re NOT the only store in town and there’s lots of others here in Oklahoma that would allow you to defend yourself and your customers. God bless the kid with a MUCH BETTER job BEFORE Christmas.

  • Warrior

    Ya see, in our new military, there will no need for weapons. Personel will be taught to display the “peace sign” and “talk the other side down”. Of course, with their “leaders” frollicking around under the sheets who’s got time for “army training sir”?

    • Michael

      No, they will all be armed with sternly worded letters from the UN. That will certainly do the trick…….

    • Gordon

      Military officers have ALWAYS had the secret key swap clubs and always will. As far as Patreaus is concerned, …… the Administration is weeding out all military personell who might be a threat to the upcoming take-over. It is exactly the same thing that happened with Hitler and Abe Lincoln, etc. Eliminate all those who oppose your viewpoint before they can initiate any action against your ideas.

      History repeats itself. Are you people to dumb to realize it?

  • Craig

    Never liked Auto Zone. Now I have a reason to never shop there again!!

    • Gordon

      Craig, open up your mind but don’t let your brains fall out.

      ALL that is ALL major corporations have that anti- defense policy. period.
      They cannot afford to be sued into virtual bankruptcy by the lazy ass worthless public that likes to sue as a way of life. As I have often said, lawyers and judges are the problem.

  • rick

    Oh, it would be better for Corporate Public Relations at Auto Zone, if the robber had
    shot down the entire staff.

    I am sure that Devin Mclean will get another job very fast and at a better company.

    HMMMM??? Did Auto Zone support Obama at the election???? Do you support Auto
    Zone with YOUR BUSINESS???? If you support one, you support all.

    • Robert Smith

      It wasn’t Obama who set policy. It was the corporate suits serving their masters.

      Rob

      • Kate8

        Robert Smith – The corporate suits serving their masters? Just who do you think Obama works for?

        THE CORPORATE BANKSTERS. HE WORKS FOR THE 1%, bozo. In fact, at the rate his coffers are being filled, he’ll soon be one of them. Or so he will imagine himself.

      • independent thinker

        Robert put your comrehension cap on. He did not say obama set the policy he questioned whether those who did set the policy were followers/supporters of obama.

        • Robert Mason

          Mark!! You obviously live in a fantasy world or are so high that you don’t understand what being an American is all about. You sound like you are about 12 years old and have not reached puberty yet. For a little insight on being an American why don’t you have a conversation with a Veteran of this Great Country. As far as moving to Cuba, been there. got the tee shirt. Oh!! One more thing, stop listening to the person who is yanking your chain and using you for entertainment and learn what the Constitution is about along with the Bill of Rights.

      • Richard Babin

        Obama is rich, at least when you consider he’s in the top 1%. – he’s net worth is 11.8 million dollars – pretty good considering the positions he’s had. And, I’ll never be convinced that his financial gains came from “legitimate” books sales. I’ve read various parts of his book “The Dreams of my Father” and finally gave up because it was boring, boring, boring!!!

  • Paul Wells

    I’ll never buy anything an Autozone, and I intend to tell them that!

    • Gordon

      and no other corporate owned business in the USA.
      Good luck BS’r.

  • http://rog rog@woh.rr.com

    DID AUTO-ZONE GIVE THE ROBBER A PINK SLIP AS WELL. HE WENT IN TO A NO GUN AREA WITH A GUN. ( IF YOU BAN THE GUN, ONLY THE CRIMINAL WILL HAVE THE GUNS. IF YOU NOW WAY TO DEFEND YOURSELF, THE CRIMINAL WILL BE FREE TO DO WHAT EVER.

    • gman

      Where I worked they had a no gun policy and they had the sign prohibiting guns and an CHL person to carry on the premises. So even though I handled money at night and I had my CHL I could not defend myself in the event of a robbery. Because of the sign I could face 10 years in jail for just having a gun on me at work.
      I really think the reason behind these corporate policies is their fear of a law suit from perps or bystanders being hurt or even not hurt. Of course the perps family will claim their child was just an innocent little turd who just went down the wrong pipe, so he did not deserve being shot. OOPS! Lawsuit time as employee was not a law enforcement officer. The company looks out for itself not the employee.
      Even though I have a license to carry and constitutional right to protect myself, that means nothing. I wonder if I was shot and maybe killed on the job would workers comp pay my family anything? Could my family sue the company for not protecting me or even allowing me to protect myself?
      The Constitution only goes as far as it is adhered to. Which we can see the glue it seems has been removed. It is to the point that we are only led to believe we have any rights.
      Some companies have their ways around personal rights such as not being allowed to ask health questions for employment there. On employment forms it asks what body scars do you have and explain them. Well they did not ask any health question now did they?

      • Joe America

        Everybody’s become politically correct and that means “Guns Bad”. Not to worry Bradyites, the UN will have all of our guns, very soon.

    • Old Henry

      Ya know rog, they should have simply informed the robber that the store was a No Gun / Gun-Free Zone. I am sure he would have left quickly.

  • Elevenarrows

    I hope some patriot will hire that young man before that baby arrives. A follow up story to let us know how he is doing would be most appreciated.

    • Gordon

      Unfortunately my decades of experience has taught me that a person of real integrity, honesty, morality, and honor will be unemployed pretty darn quickly. The last 25 years EVERY business that I know of, private or government, the employee must falsify records or lose their job. Sadly, IT IS the American Way. period. The great social experiment of the ’60s has finally come to fruition.

  • Dan821

    I will NEVER shop at Autozone again..EVER!
    And not any of my family members or friends.
    Very sad indeed!

    • Robert Smith

      I find that kinda sad. When I went to Auto Zone for a battery they installed it for me. The terminals got cleaned and they checked the cables.

      Auto Zone hires good people for the stores (as was demonstrated). They shouldn’t be punished for a policy they have no control over.

      Rob

      • Wumingren

        On the other hand, it has been my experience that because I am a guy, I am expected to do all that sort of thing by myself. Even when I’ve asked for assistance (I didn’t know how to access my wife’s Mazda headlights), they have just shrugged me off. This is why I find it much easier to send my wife to Auto Zone for windshield wipers, headlights, and such, as they respond quickly to provide her full service. Somehow, women aren’t supposed to know how to do simple maintenance.

        When I first came to realize this, I had my wife go in to buy wiper blades, and I walked across the street to do some shopping at another store. When I returned to the AutoZone store, I found my wife waiting for me with the new blades in her hands. I asked, “How come they didn’t install those for you?” She said, “They saw you go across the street and told me to wait for you to come back and put the blades on.” Yikes! So much for all the advertising on prompt and courteous service. Or maybe this store didn’t get the memo.

  • hipshotpercusion

    I carry a gun and i say…”Screw Autozone!”
    hipshot packing 24/7/365 in sunny swc FL.

  • Wumingren

    Only one question: What is NAPA’s gun policy?

    • Steve E

      The NAPA I go to in VA, you can carry a firearm. Mine is always concealed, but there is no sign that restricts firearms on their property. In VA you can carry anywhere, concealed or not on private property unless there is a sign. Even then, they can only ask you to leave, and if you don’t, they can charge you for trespassing. I went to the Auto Zone website and told them I was no longer their customer.

      • Gordon

        NO corporate allows their employees to carry. period.

        At my local wallyworld the employees know their are enough CCW in the store at any one time to be of some value ITSHTF. (course, we ain’t on the coasts, weez somewhere in the middle that likes guns)

  • Bigron

    i would not waste my time going to auto zone they are a bunch of selfish bigots

  • JungleCogs

    I appreciate that Autozone may have a ‘no-firearms’ policy; and that’s their right. I presume they don’t allow comcealed carry firearms in their store either (which is their right too). In my state, they would have to post a 3″x5″ minimum size sign at every entry. I call those, “Please come rob me and my customers” signs.

    In this case, good judgment should trump stupid corporate policy (remember, all this dumb ‘policy’ stuff is made by a fat, bald guy who works in the basement of the corporate H.Q. behind a cheap metal desk and sits his big butt on a ripped vinyl chair that squeeks).

    It’s perfectly fair game to stop giving them your business; but you must go the extra step to tell them why. They need to hear about their stupidity from their customers. On the good side, the guy involved was a hero and will likely be offered a bunch of better jobs within days.

    • Richard Babin

      The Aurora movie theater was a “no gun zone” area but it didn’t stop the creep from going in and shooting up the place but it did stop the honest folks who had a concealed handgun permit from carrying a weapon into the theater. Maybe if the suits had not made this a “no gun zone,” fewer people would have been killed and maybe that’s why this creep picked this particular theater.

      For now on, if I see a sigh stating “no gun zone” I’m getting the hell out of there!

      • Kate8

        Richard – That incident was a government-staged false flag. They choose gun-free zones so they can make sure the requisite number of deaths occur and some armed citizen doesn’t step in and save the day. That would not look good for getting their message across…that they need to confiscate all guns.

        I think any show of heroism on the part of an armed citizen is being attacked for that very reason. They cannot allow people to see that, without people who carry guns, we are all sitting ducks when these things occur. They have to keep us focused on the perp only, so the mindless masses will agree that guns are bad.

        Our government has demonstrated that it is perfectly willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes to accomplish their ends.

      • t.e.smith

        or everyone could of started shooting in the dark at who ever they thought was the killer, someone would of eventually hit the right guy, i am sure LOL

      • Kate8

        Can you site any instances were anything like that has happened? I think not. Responsible people don’t just start shooting in the dark.

        Besides, if it wasn’t too dark for the shooter to hit his targets, other people could see, too. Once your eyes adjust in a theater, you can see just fine.

      • Old Henry

        I wonder what Bob Costas would have to say about this…

      • Gordon

        Paranoia, that’s the ticket!!!!

        Smith you are correct….. nobody should have gun but ME.
        I am the only one I trust.

      • Gordon

        KATE, it has happened, sorry I can’t pull it up right now. Old stuff never hits the mass news to the extent it does in 2012.

        It almost happened for the lady Congressman in AZ shooting. The guy stated he almost shot the wrong man, but caught himself…… that is good judgement at work, IMO.

        The biggest problem we ALL have is that 99.9% of the people have watched way too many movies…… and movies are NOT reality.

        Until you’ve actually had someone stick a gun in your face and pull the trigger, or you’ve heard a POP and felt your leg stinging….. you still think like like the movies.

  • http://personalliberty.com Lion

    I ll never buy again Auto Zone, thanks for your information

  • DG

    NAPA yes! AUTOZONE no!

    • eddie47d

      NAPA Auto has the same policy so why do some of you say the things you do. Pretty soon you won’t be shopping anywhere. Number two are you saying a business doesn’t have a right to set policy for its employees and has no right to enforce those policies. Its wonderful to go to the defense of Devin McLean and I don’t believe he should have been fired. Yet it can also be said that any employee who fires a weapon while on the job jeopardizes other customers and fellow employees or in this case someone else in the parking lot. IF he had fired and hit someone else then he would be in prison for years to come and then where would his wife and child be?

      • t.e.smith

        i agree with you, robbers simply want money. when people start shooting, people die; i would ask all of the folks here would you give your life or your sons life in a fire fight at auto zone just for a few dollars that are in the cashregister??

        • Ed

          If any robbers reading this recognize you, I guess they now know who to rob next, eh? Geez…

          • Joe America

            Come on, now, Tee Hee is just protecting his union brothers, you know, robbers and killers. He knows all about them. How they think and what they’re really desiring to do. He learned by watching TV.

      • Kate8

        t.e.smith – Are you a new troll, or just another alter ego of the three we already have.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        December 6, 2012 at 9:54 am

        NAPA Auto has the same policy so why do some of you say the things you do. Pretty soon you won’t be shopping anywhere. Number two are you saying a business doesn’t have a right to set policy for its employees and has no right to enforce those policies
        ________________________________________________________________________

        I agree Eddie…to a point. No spitting on the floor, no tossing garbage around…and things like that. But a policy that is openly un-Constitutional and inneffective, not to mention insane…has no place in this country.

      • eddie47d

        Kate 8 are you the alter ego of Jeffery Dahmer? You’re both crazy!

      • Alan

        T.E Smith states that robbers simply want money. Not always true. I was gunned down myself many years ago for the “want of money”. Many a robbery victim has been slain in the process.

      • Old Henry

        I think the young man did what he had been trained to do, and did it automatically without even thinking about it.

        Other stores may have the same, or similar, policies, but I have not heard of them firing an employee for defending their employees and customers.

        Commons sence should have come into play on the part of corporate mgt.

      • larry ryan

        It’s about odds. The odds are that the robber isn’t a drugged up nut case who will shoot you in the head ’cause you sneezed. He PROBABLY just wants the money and be gone. The odds of that are so good that I’d bet money on them all day. Bet my and my family’s lives? Not a chance. Attack me or my family or even a random stranger (and robbery is an attack) and the option of what I do about it belongs to me. Not some corporate suit, not the law and certainly not the attacker. And these days of idiot juries and judges who side with the attacker the attacker is more likely to wind up dead. Less likely to be sued by a dead man. Gonna be in for lots of legal hassles? Yes. Easy answer to that. Let yourself be killed. No legal hassles if your dead. He’ll be in legal trouble for killing you and/or your family. That’ll show him.

      • Gordon

        SMITH, robbers usually want money. Money has little value compared to life.

        The corporate “give them the money and let them leave peaceably” is a good policy IMO…….
        Until the tard crosses that invisible line where direct threats to life are expressed…. Then you really don’t know if he will pull the trigger or not.
        (at which point the employees should shoot to kill)

  • Chris Frederick

    Auto Zone just opened the flood gates for the crooks, by stating they would do nothing to stop a robber, just turn over the money!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Auto Zone business will fall off and hopefully better companies will pick up the slack.

      • Kate8

        I would imagine that AutoZone, like all of the big box stores, are owned by the same major corporate entities. They have most everything locked up now.

      • Gordon

        AZ is NOT a gun free zone (here). Only employees cannot CCW.
        Customers can carry according to our local laws.

    • JC

      All gun free zones are “criminal safe zones”.

      • Old Henry

        JC, ya got a good tee shirt there!

  • boyscout

    Auto Zone is simply one (albeit a prime) example of the fear laden mind set in corporate management. Many hold positions that they are neither qualified for nor deserve and therefore often follow the letter and not the spirit of a rule – near perfect examples of the Peter principle at work in education as well as promotion. They are the new Pharasees in the new religion of corporatism.

  • Boycott Autozone
  • http://bellsouth.net unique

    Auto Zone is just as stupid as Papa John’s.
    This veteran should be given his job back and
    given a promotion. I need windshield wipers
    for my car but like everyone else I will go to
    NAPPA.

  • Robert Mason

    What has to be understood here is, this is America! The corporate execs. have the right to make company policy in a manner they see fit. And like big corps, in America, they are not for their employees. They are for themselves, they would not care if anyone was hurt or killed during this robbery attempt. One must understand that the gun is for their protection not the common masses. You can bet your bottom dollar their personal protection people carry guns. I will also choose to never shop Auto Zone again and tell all my Veteran-Gun toting-law abiding-self defense beliving friends about this Un-American company.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But corporate headquarters does fear bad publicity and the aftermath of such incidents cause people to stop shopping at the stores for fear.

      • Kate8

        Not really. They know that this will blow over and be forgotten.

        Americans have demonstrated, over and over, that the bottom line for them is the best deal.

        If this had happened at WalMart, people would still shop there, I guarantee you.

        Besides, the major corporations have monopolized all of these outlets. If one goes down, the other outlets pick up the slack. It’s win/win for them.

      • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

        @Kate8,
        Actually, WalMart abides by local laws regarding firearms on their property. I don’t know if they allow employees to be packing while at work, but their customers are allowed to carry lawfully while on their property.

      • Kate8

        sootsme – My point was not WalMart’s gun policy (I don’t know what that is). My point was that people will shop for the bottom line price, no matter what the store does. That is why all of the small, privately owned business are failing.

        • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

          Hi Kate8,
          Actually, I have a very small business and we can barely keep up. Business has never been better. (Likely because we help folks to be more self reliant, especially in tough times- this seems to be a popular theme these days.) I think the key to economic prosperity for ordinary folks is to find a niche that adds real value for other ordinary folks, and do your best to be the best at what you do, while charging a fair price for your work. Works for me anyway. Works for WalMart, too- they just figured out how to do retail better. Mom & Pop are free to expand online, and to start selling more specialized items to their niche that aren’t viable for mass merchants. In the internet marketing world, this is called “the long tail” and it’s absolutely where the money is. There isn’t and never has been any rule saying that things would stay the same in the marketplace. Success is the reward for being on top of your game, in real time. When things changed, the quality buggy whip and fountain pen makers lost their market share just as fast as the average ones. The smart ones started handling key chains and ballpoint pens. There is still/always a frontier, just not necessarily defined the same way as before…

      • Old Henry

        50 years ago Wal-Mart was a mom and pop store.

      • larry ryan

        Kate8 is correct to an extent. But the bad PR is going to cost them. At least in the short term. Corporate suits and bean counters are frequently at odds with PR and ads.Two examples of many: Burger King spent millions on an ad campaign centered around “where’s Waldo” Spot Waldo in one of their stores and win $50,000.(I think that was the amount) He got spotted. Problem was kid who spotted him was 3 months short of 16th birthday. Fine print stated spotter had to be 16 or older. Sensible solution would have been to put money in a college scholarsip fun for the kid. Good publicty. Bean counter solution was to cancel promotion and no one gets anything. Saved themselves $50,000 and pissed away millions in advertising plus fallout from bad PR. 2nd example. To this day, when all responsible are likely dead or in a home, I will still never buy a Ford product. The Pinto. When it was found that the rear mounted gas tank had a habit of exploding in a rear end collision, the bean counters crunched the numbers and decided it would be cheaper to pay the wrongful death and injury lawsuits than retool to a safer product. Memos even surfaced showing how many dead (by category, men women and children) were likely, acceptabe and cost effective. BTW, in the fine old tradition of government and corporate sleeping together, even though names were known and deaths could be directly attributed to decisions by those names, no one was ever charged with a crime. Lots of fines and lawsuit setttlements, but no more, I think, than bean counters found acceptable. May they rot in hell.

      • Gordon

        LARRY= regarding the Pinto= you are laboring under a delusion. You are flat wrong.
        Ford did a fix for the problem that satisfied the NTSB. What you are probably worried about is the tank placement.
        Ever see a Chevy and a Ford side by side on elevated racks..?????? So identical on the bottom that you can almost swap the parts. So don’t blame Ford,etc.

        Ever see the Chevy pickup blow up on camera because of the “igniters” placed in the tanks? Media will do anything to make a point.

        Some police agencies sued Ford for CrownVic police cars blowing up (look it up, LOL). Ford said, no problem….. none of those states suing Ford will EVER receive even one more Ford built vehicle, period. They hated chevy cars so much that they dropped the law suit.

    • mark

      No Robert, you are wrong. AutoZone is a 100% American company. There the bosses rule and the workers are scum. Your boss pays you. If you don’t obey his orders, he has an absolute right to fire you under the capitalist system. What are you a socialist? A union supporter? A traitor to American capitalism.? How dare you criticize this system that has made us the greatest society on earth – One Nation under the Dollar with Liberty and Justice for all – rich people. Go move to Cuba! AutoZone is 100% American, 100% non-union, and 100% capitalist. Who could ask for more?

      • Steve E

        And 100% anti firearm.

      • JC

        You really are a miserable little jerk aren’t you mark?
        In just that one hate filled little rant there are more character flaws
        than I can count on both hands.

      • Gordon

        And dishonest. I worked for them part time in 98. ALL Managers etc have scams to steal from the company. Mine was scamming $200 week. Policy required that you rat on them. FACT= if you ratted on them YOU got fired within 2 days bucause you couldn’t be trusted with company secure information. If you didn’t rat on them, you had to falsify records or you got fired by your manager. Most businesses operate this way. It is the unspoken underground policy. A lot like the BlueWall of LEOs.

      • Gordon

        One 15 yr manager told me that stealing is part of the perks. It helps make up for the low wages they pay the employees (meaning himself),

  • Hedgehog

    Since when does “corporate policy” trump the 2nd amendment?

    • mark

      Corporate policy trumps the entire Constitution, what planet have you been been living on? According to the 1st Amendment you have a right to free speech. Well, when you go to work tomorrow tell everyone in the office that you think your boss is an absolute jerk. By the end of the day you will be fired. You have a right to free speech but your boss also has an absolute right to fire you as he pleases, especially in a non-union shop. This is the American capitalist paradise. How dare you criticize it? Why don’t you go live in Cuba?

      • Hedgehog

        Sorry Mark! You’ve posted here many times and so have I. I thought you were aware I am a Canadian, living in Canada. I was asking how you Americans reconcile having corporate policy override your constitution. I thought that your oath of citizenship laid a duty on you to defend the constitution. As for moving to Cuba, only if your government throws me in Gitmo.

        Felice Navidad

      • Wumingren

        Hedgehog, it is obvious that Mark is just pushing buttons here. He is not seriously making an argument, but is being facetious. He is attempting to lambast capitalism, not support it.

      • mark

        Hedgehog, Capitalism has always trumped the U.S. Constitution in America, and always will. In God We Trust, all other pay cash!

      • eddie47d

        Wumingren and Hedgehog are always “pushing buttons” too so what’s the different Corporates do own and control America so is Mark that far off ?

        • Wumingren

          Mark is just ranting against all who are not Leftists. And, if I have pushed any Leftists’ buttons, well okay then.

    • Steve E

      Any person with private property can restrict guns on their property just like they can alcohol and other things. But the 2nd Amendment prevents the government from restricting firearms.

      • Joe America

        Steve, You’re right, people can restrict guns on private property, but then, we don’t have to patronize them, either.

      • http://n/a DaleH

        To hedgehog,

        Therr is no oath that a natural born American citizen has to take about defending the Constitution , unless he/she serves in the Military or is elected to office–a person born in the USA is automatically an American citizen—-

      • Joe America

        Steve, just throwing this infor out for the common good. Bob Costas, a sports Reporter recently called for more gun control. Then you have the following statements:
        “If it was up to me you’d ban all handguns, everyone of them. Burn ‘em. Get rid of them.”
        – Bob Beckel, host of Fox News’ The Five, Dec. 3, 2012

        “I believe the NRA is the new KKK.”
        – Jason Whitlock, FoxSports columnist, during an interview with CNN’s Roland Martin

        These guys are NWO shills, pushing ever harder for gun control.

      • larry ryan

        To Dale. Polititians have demonstrated over and over that their oath of office means nothing to them. Most, if challenged, have no idea what that oath says. It was just more blah, blah formality that they weren’t even listening to as they said it. For a polititian of either party, the word integrity, for those who even know what it means, is an obscenity. The consitution is just something to be circumvented and gotten around when it’s in their way.
        Obama is supposed to get congressional approval in order to raise the debt ceiling. That damn obstructionist constitution. Congress can either give him the power to raise it as he sees fit or he’ll just give it to himself by E.O. Obey the constitutution? Not on his watch.

      • Gordon

        LARRY= kind of reminds ya of marriage vows, huh?

    • Gordon

      The same way you can’t carry any weapon on MY property if I tell you that you cannot. It is called MY FREEDOM.

      If corporate doesn’t want their employees carrying it is their perrogative. If the employee doesn’t like it, go find another job.

      If they don’t want CCW customers either, that too is their freedom. They can’t make me enter their store.

  • mark

    This is called the American capitalist system in which corporations get to make all the rules. Are you suddenly against this, Ben? Are you a socialist? In the capitalist system, your boss hires you, he makes the rules, and if you violate the rules, he fires you. What don’t you understand about this? All of you who are criticizing this are just revealing yourselves for the absolute communist traitors that you all are! Support the capitalist system and the right of bosses to hire and fire as they choose. You think workers should have rights?! Well, then you are nothing but a filthy, traitorous communist! Go live in Cuba!

    Haven’t you been reading this blog the last several years? Workers are scum and capitalist bosses are absolute Gods. Everytime they fire a disobedient worker and throw him out in the street to starve, every real Libertarian and conservative American should stand up and cheer. Next this creep Devin McLean will start a union. Then, he should be executed on sight for the communist traitor that he is! Long live liberty and capitalism! Death to the socialists who will not obey their bosses who pay them!

    • John Woodbury

      Mark, ever hear a gun control freak is someone who has never had a friend or closer hurt by a thug with a gun. I think most here will say gun control is putting six rounds in a bulls eye.

      • Gordon

        yes JOHN. But real life is not the movies. keep repeating that.

        We as “responsible citizens of the 2nd Amendment” have a moral responsibility to avoid or diffuse confrontations and prevent the taking of any life IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

        It is far better to be humilitated or intimidated and diffuse the situation than to unnecessarily stand your ground and escalate the situation to the point of no return.

        A weapon does give us the power of life or death over another individual, but we should not exercise that power unless there is no other solution.

        This is not the movies. The dead guy does not get up and go to work again tomorrow.

      • Gordon

        I apologize John. I should have noted that your definition only applies if you are attacked by a paper target.

        When the adrenalin is off-the-charts and your brain has just realized that you are about to die for real, you will be darn lucky to hit an 8″ paper plate 7 feet away even once time.

        Trained police officers can’t do it, and neither can anyone else. It is SURPRISE. Bad thing about thugs surprising us with weapons, is that the first instant is PANIC, then flight response, then reaction.

        • tesmith47

          you are correct, in fact one can imagine a scenario where lots of folks have conceled wepons and robbers wont say “stick em up” because they know you have a wepon, they just shoot first , take your money AND your gun from your cold dead hand!!
          hell, that is what i would do if i were a street) robber(not a white collar ceo type robber LOL) and i thought someone might have a conceled wepon

      • Gordon

        Actually reality indicates that if a perp thinks anyone is carrying, he will avoid the situation.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Such verbosity and not sayiing anything. Do you believe that you will destroy this site by the hot air that comes out of you via the keyboard?

    • Wumingren

      I think you are missing the most important element here. It isn’t a question of whether workers have rights granted to them by their employers, but rather it is a question of citizens having rights granted to them by no man, i.e., unalienable rights established by our Creator. Which rights trump the other, legally and morally?

      The Creator also gave us free will, which is to say that we are independent agents, free to choose good or evil, right or wrong, blessings or curses, life or death. We have the unalienable right to self defense by any means necessary, and we have free will to choose how we will enact our self defense. We also have both moral and legal authority to do so.

      In recognition of both his moral and legal authority to enact self defense, the employee has not been charged with any offense against civil law. You will note that companies that put up “No Firearms Allowed” signs have neither the legal nor the moral authority to enforce their abuse of unalienable rights, while they do have the free will that allows them to fire anyone who does not follow company rules. As you must by now realize, in our post-modern humanist society, legality/illegality and morality/immorality are concepts that are no longer black and white, but are painted in shades of gray and relativistic nuance.

      Isaiah 5:20-21
      New King James Version
      20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
      Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
      Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
      21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
      And prudent in their own sight!

      And, we all have the free will to shop for goods and service from people that respect our unalienable rights.

      • Hedgehog

        Thank you Wumingren! You answered my question quite thoroughly.

      • eddie47d

        Everyone has a right to defend themselves yet why bring God into your equation. I don’t think HE absolutely supports the killing or injury of anyone. Whether individuals,gangs or governments encouraging those killings. Death can be crass and unimportant to even gun owners. I’ve heard plenty of them bragging about blowing someone away in their tough guy swagger. If life is so scared then why doesn’t their speech reflect that.

    • JC

      Nice try mark…but all you’ve done is demonstrate the lengths liberals will go to in order to twist common sense to suit their own twisted agenda’s.
      The guy ran off an armed criminal from company property…and was punished for it.
      Objecting to this lunacy gives you reason to call patriots “communists”?

      Yeah…right! Real intelligent.

  • Liz

    This is sad. For one, McLean is ex military, so he is highly trained in the use of weapons. Next, Auto Zone has a policy of not having firearms in the store. McLean didn’t keep the gun in the store; it was kept in his vehicle. I hope he finds a better job.

    • eddie47d

      That is also Auto Zone property. He used the weapon while on company time on company property. I really doubt if Auto Zone cared if he had a weapon in his vehicle yet the employee took a chance by taking it out thus violation their policy. The majority of big end businesses have the exact same policy.

      • ranger09

        Eddie, You are very right. Most companys in AMERICA HAVE THIS RULE. All based on a few Employee shootings. Also Most all Business in America do not allow CW inside, even in carry states. All this is based on LAWYERS, And the COURTS. What it amounts to if the bad guy shoots someone, Less Dollars are needed, If an Employee shoots the bad guy or some customer the Dollar amount is out of this world. So we need to blame the People responsible for this out of Line Justice system. And we need to START WITH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. To day the Bad Guy has more rights then the honest Man or Woman. Also when you get down to the REAL problem WE can only blame ourselves.

    • mark

      All who criticize any American capitalist company are communists and traitors who should move to Cuba! Capitalism is the greatest system, the greatest entity every created by Man. To cast even the slightest aspersion against it marks you as a traitor and a communist. Next you will be telling me that American workers have rights! That all people have a right to work in dignity, respect, and safety without fear of intimidation or retalitation. What an absolute crock of communist propaganda! Workers have zero rights! All workers should bow down and kiss the feet of their bosses everyday when they go to work. They should worship and pray everyday to their wonderful, job-creating capitalist bosses. Haven’t you been watching FOX News?

      • Kate8

        mark – The problem is not capitalism. THAT notion IS a communist propaganda stunt.

        There was a time when the system worked, when eithics were valued. But it was communism eating the heart and life out of America that has infiltrated every part of our society, and has reduced our once-great nation to being hoardes of mindless, selfish animals. Just look at WalMart on Black Friday.

        The commies said they’d do it, and it only took them half a century.

        Read what Russians think of Americans. I urge you to see what people who have lived through communism have to say about it, because we have become the USSR.

        http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/

      • JC

        mark says:

        December 6, 2012 at 10:18 am

        All who criticize any American capitalist company are communists and traitors who should move to Cuba! Capitalism is the greatest system, the greatest entity every created by Man. To cast even the slightest aspersion against it marks you as a traitor and a communist.
        _________________________________________________________________________

        And wee marky’s little rant of the day goes (obnoxiously) on….yawn….

    • Gordon

      Sorry LIZ, Assuming reasonable competence with a weapon because of former military service is complete nonsense and also is not the question here, it is the violation of private company policy.

  • 45caliber

    Autozone – like many companies – may get sued if one of their empoyees was to set off a shooting with a criminal. BUT … they will not get sued if the robber gets his money and then kills everyone in the store. Since the loss to the company would be far less if the people are killed, then obviously the lawyers must insure the company doesn’t risk getting sued.

    What needs to happen is that any customer (or employee for that matter) who is involved in a robbery at any Autozone should sue the company for failure to secure the premesis from such attempts. After they get sued a few times, they will take a new look at how to provide security.

    • Wumingren

      I do believe that in the event they choose to provide greater security, it will come in the form of metal detectors at the door (probably not with any armed guards) and greater expenses for the products and services provided, not by allowing citizens and employees to pack heat. No doubt, people will be upset with metal detectors, as frankly, concealed carry is just that: no one need know that I entered a “Gun Free Zone” with my firearm safely tucked into a shoulder harness, unless there are metal detectors at the door. Then, I would have to avoid such places, while there is no guarantee that criminals will avoid such places. In fact, criminals intent on using firearms to facilitate their robberies will blow right through such checkpoints with the reasonable expectation that there will not even be a sneaky person such as myself with a concealed weapon. In the end, people are probably less safe.

      • eddie47d

        Metal detectors are generally used to keep people from walking out with a product (theft) not someone going in.

      • JUKEBOX

        In the years I worked for Advance Auto Parts, I have waited on hundreds of customers that were carrying concealed weapons, and we never had any problems other than an occasional shoplifter. Oh, by the way, most of the employees had a gun in their car.

      • boyscout

        OK concept for some retailers but for an auto parts store? But, perhaps you have no experience with first eschelon vehicle maintenance. The in and out the door of metal tools and parts is a non stop essential for such a business.

        • Wumingren

          I didn’t say it was a workable solution to install metal detectors; I was suggesting that security could not depend upon the honor system. Criminals will not honor the “No Guns Allowed” signs, so how do you increase security without doing pat downs at the door? In other words, to sue a company for failing to provide security is not likely to produce a positive effect for all patrons.

      • Richard Babin

        Wumingren, I agree. Besides, if there was a metal detector at the door, it would be constantly going off and eventually the employees would start ignoring it; thus, virtually making the system worthless. I know this to be a fact because it seems that every time I go to a grocery store or the Sports Authority, someone is setting off the alarm and everyone ignores it. The same thing with car alarms.

      • Gordon

        JUKEBOX as a humorous anecdote I will comment: And a gun is just one minute away?

      • Gordon

        So logically we are inclined to adhere to the addage that multiple customers with CCW would be the safest situation. At least the criminal would not come in unless the store is empty…… oh ya, that was the time we were most concerned….. no customers, and here comes a wierdo. mmmmmm

    • t.e.smith

      robbery is almost always simply robbery, I dont know of any documented robberys where all of the customers are killed for no reason.
      robbers dont shoot unless they are shot at / resisted.
      the proper solution to economic crimes by blue collar folks (not white collar folks) is to reduce / eliminate the motivations i.e. poverty.
      i specified blue collar crime because white collar folks are not impoverished, uneducated , unemployed they are just simply greedy/ psychopath and incidentally, much more effective at robbing everyone all the time!!!

      • Ed

        The proper solution to economic crimes is to educate yourself in a lifestyle that features self determination, and the willingness and ability to protect your interests. Or, take what you get, and don’t whine about it. Liberty = Responsibility, folks. Mr. McLean deserves attaboys and a better job. Since AutoZone is no longer paying him, maybe they’ll not miss my business on their bottom line…oh well…

      • ranger09

        Mr Smith, Man you sure do have a lot to learn, Granted sometimes a poor person breaks the law to help himself or his Family. Then you have the others that do crime because its quick money and beats working for a Living. And these people will shoot or knife you with out remorse. Our system no longer says if you commit crimes you will be punished to the full extent of the law. We have become over protective of the young Lawbreakers, We no longer teach them its the wrong road to travel. SO they grow up having no respect for the law or people. Sounds like some of the things they are learning from our Politicians.

      • Alan

        To T.E. Smith….You really do need to do some research before making such fallacious claims. I was gunned down for no other reason than I had money in my hand. Plus, I’ve heard more than a few stories of employees being herded into a back room of their business where they were executed afterward. Don’t be so naive.

        • Joe America

          Dear Tee Hee Smith, Sounds to me like you might be a robber/criminal, or maybe you should be their union steward. LIke I’ve said, criminals don’t like resistance and they certainly don’t like their potential victims armed. After all, gun rights belong to criminals, don’t they! They are the real experts with guns. I guess us amatures need to step back, and know where our place is on the food chain.

          • tesmith47

            dear person, violence and more violence is not the answer, we americans need to solve the real problems and not put bandaids over them the real problem is the unfair system we have that is getting even worse impoverishing more people every day, and driving people to desperate measures just like in Victorian england, read your history!
            arming everyone is just a bandaid, lets solve the real problem, the impoverishment of our fellow americans by the greedy psychopaths 1% that take almost 50% of all american income!!!!!

          • Wumingren

            You undoubtedly voted for Obama. It is on your head that poverty will necessarily skyrocket. I suppose that when people are out of food and come knocking on my door, they will all say they didn’t vote for Obama when I say, “Obama voters need not apply!”

          • tesmith47

            your posting is full of strange ideas, why should there be a shortage of food or anything else? do you mean the !% who are sucking up all the money will suck up all the food too?
            there is plenty of everything and people are willing to do their fair share of work for a fair share of the wealth , the problem is that those in controll have taken more than their share .
            they are the REAL problem not some poor smuck , the poor smuck is just a symptom

        • tesmith47

          no way to verify your story but assuming it is true, it is not the norm for holdup / robbery just look at the police reports, there are man .many more robberys than robbery homicides

      • Richard Babin

        It doesn’t happen often (thank god); however, sometimes it happens for the simple reason that some of these “demented” people think they have a better chance of not being ID’ed. If my memory serves me correctly, about 15 years ago, 7 people were brutally murdered during a robbery at a Pizza Hut in Houston.

      • Gordon

        ALAN, most of the privately owned businesses I am familiar with, the employees either open carry or CCW at work. Open carry is not legal in this state, but it IS ok in a privately owned store. This is a pretty quiet part of the world, and anybody with an ounce of common sense should expect that a criminal will have a short career around here….. unless he’s a drug dealer or residential burglar.. those are tenured positions here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.butterbaugh Steve Butterbaugh

    The country is being increasingly cowed into stupidity for its own sake. Actually, it is for someone’s power for its own sake. A good book I’m reading on this sorry p.c. disease that has taken us over is Greg Gutfeld’s “The Joy of Hate.” Great read and funny too. Empowering.

  • Mike Turoff

    Texas law recently mandated that a CHL permit holder could have the weapon in the vehicle on company property parking lots but the company could restrict any weapon from being allowed into the workplace. The company that I work for had to amend its weapon policy accordingly and there have been no problems since then. Several of us (employees) do have our weapons in our vehicles and with a shooting range less than 0.5 miles from our workplace, we get to practice with them whenever we feel like it.

    • Richard Babin

      Mike, I understand that, if you leave a handgun in your car parked in a public parking lot, that may be OK. However, the companies I’m familiar with claim that “their” parking lot (as opposed to a “public” parking lot) is a part of the workplace. Therefore, if you have a weapon in your car parked in your employer’s parking lot and they find out, you’re fired.

      If this is not the case, can you tell me the where I can find this in the Texas Code? Thanks.

      • Wumingren

        In Minnesota, companies can limit the use of tobacco to include the entire property. Thus, some companies have made it illegal even for employees to go out and sit in their own cars to have a smoke. It is likely that companies that post “No Guns” signs might extend that zone to include entire parking lots. I’m trying to find out if that is the case here.

      • Gordon

        Company parking lots are PRIVATE property and the owner can restrict what comes onto his lot, guns, semi-trucks, overnight campers, etc.

  • wes

    I WILL NEVER SHOP AT AUTO ZONE AGAIN,,,THATS COMPLETELY STUPID THEY HAVE LOST MY BUSSINESS FOREVER

  • Eagleeye

    At the local Auto-Zone the employees are so lazy I walked out after standing at the checkout as the quasi-woman clerk sat and chatted on the phone to it’s friend. It seems this is where corporate is headed……..DOWN THE LIBERAL EVIL PROGRESSIVE COMMUNIST MARXIST [expletive deleted]! It is time WE ALL TAKE UP ARMS AND DENY ANYONE FROM HARMING ANOTHER WITHOUT ANY MEANS OF DEFENSE!!!! HITLER HAS COME TO AMERICA AND IT IS TIME “WE THE PEOPLE” REACT!!! No government can or will protect!!!! IT IS UP TO US!!!! LOCK AND LOAD AND BE READY TO DEFEND WITH YOUR LIFE AS IT IS EITHER US OR THEM………aka GOOD OR EVIL

    • Gordon

      I apologize if this sounds sarcastic…. it isnt

      The 1950s United States of America is GONE.
      Welcome to the great social experiment of the 60s come to fruition.

  • http://Personallibertydigest Robert Mo

    Think ill be shopping some other parts store as well.

  • Joe America

    Autozone has just lost my business. As well, they should lose the business of all Americans. What’s being taught, in schools, in our society, is to just roll over to criminal behavior. The criminals love this idea, as it makes their jobs so much easier. They (criminals) are also big supporters of gun control. I mean, afterall, what upstanding criminals want their victims armed? How crazy is that? Dictators also want their citizens unarmed. Why? Well, you can’t fight oppression if you don’t have any guns. It just makes it easier for the Neo-Nazis to march you into concentration camps. Armed citizens would just make that too difficult. The second ammendment? What were those founding fathers thinking?

  • Cramer

    Auto Zone needs to re-hire McLean, put him in a uniform with his firearm on his hip and stand guard. With a raise to boot!!

  • Wumingren

    Two different things. Anti-shoplifting systems use RFID tags in products. Their alarms don’t sound when metal passes through; they sound when an unneutralized tag goes through. A metal dectector, on the other hand, would sound an alarm when metal is detected, like at the airport and local courthouse. Metal detectors do not depend on RFID tags to function.

    • Wumingren

      My reply above was intended for eddie47d.

      • Gary L.

        Those metal detectors would be going off every time someone came in with a water pump, brake rotor or other part. It would not work. I guess TSA will be expanding their rolls and be setting up in stores soon.

  • Larry

    Auto Zone is history in my book. O’Reilly’s or Napa I guess from now on.

  • Brelan-Fayette:Knighten

    I think a smart store owner would be way ahead to have his employees come to work strapped, and ready for a robber. The sign should read, ” our customers are protected from thieves by our armed employees, shop here in absolute safety.” It might save on insurance, if you could find an insurance company with wisdom. That is not likely however.

    • Gordon

      People around here are not suprised to see privately owned stores’ employees with pistols on their hip.

  • Linda

    Will no longer patronize their stores. I pray that some great employer comes along and gives the courageous young man a GOOD job.

  • Gary L.

    All of the “gun free zone” B.S is just plain stupid. What is it really accomplishing? Are they going to put up metal detectors to be sure of compliance? Are the criminals going to stop at the door and say “Damn!! No guns allowed” I better go rob someplace else. Stupidity.

  • An honest man

    Your policy of subjecting everyone in the store to the threats of a gunman without any means of protection is stupid. If every thug knew he may be confronted with a weapon in his attempt to rob or steal from a place of business he would think twice before he even tried. A gun free establishment is an open invitation for a gunman, he meets with no resistance in his encounter with his victims. Think very hard about changing your policy while I find another place to shop for my auto needs.

  • Terry

    Ill not buy from auto Zone any more !

  • chad McGovern

    Name:William C. Rhodes III
    Title:Chief Executive Officer, Management
    President, Administration
    Email:william.c.rhodesiii@autozone.com

    Name:Michael E. Longo
    Executive Vice President, Management
    Email:michael.e. longo@autozone.com

    Name:James A. Shea
    Title:Executive Vice President, Management
    Email:james.a. shea@autozone.com

    Name:Bradley W. Bacon
    Title:Executive Vice President, Operations
    Email:bradley.w. bacon@autozone.com

    Name:Donald Rawlins
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:donald.rawlins@autozone.com

    Name:Brett D. Easley
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:brett.d. easley@autozone.com

    Name:Bruce G Clark
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:bruce.g clark@autozone.com

    Name:Harry L. Goldsmith
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:harry.l. goldsmith@autozone.com

    Name:J.R. Hyde III
    Title:Member of Board of Directors, Management
    Email:j.r..hyde iii@autozone.com

    Name:Michael Archbold
    Title:Member of Board of Directors, Management
    Email:michael.archbold@autozone.com

    • Joe America

      Thanks, Chad, I’m writing, immediately.

      • Gordon

        that’s 1

  • ranger09

    Legal CW carry, Your worst fear is the Police. Also if i understand there is a differance between between a public parking lot and a Private parking, I would think that the auto zone lot would be public, Then what are the Rules layed down by the Property owners, or shopping center.

  • t.e.smith

    and what if the robber and this guy started shooting and customers got killed, who gets sued FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS? This guy AND THE COMPANY!!
    and what if YOU were one of the customers shot because of the ensuring gun fight, i bet you would be suing auto zone in a heart beat; or your family would be suing for your unlawfull death because a employee started a gun fight.

    • Richard Babin

      t.e – it doesn’t matter because either way the result will be the same — lawsuits.

      As we speak, the owner of the Colorado theater (Cinemark USA) is being sued by many of the injured victims, the relatives of some of the deceased, and even three filmmakers.

      • Gordon

        typical lawyer BS. Maybe they should be suing the city too.

        Lawyers finding an angle to put money in their pockets is the #1 problem in the USA.

  • Zypp

    “No Gun Zone” signs are extremely valuable. They have a near-100% success rate for keeping elephants away. (Check it out yourself!)

    • ranger09

      LAWYERS, Signs and warnings are only to help in Lawsuits, Nothing else. We have allowed the Lawyers to control what Rules we live by. Cant forget the Politicians are the Supreme Court Judges. People WE are The Power, OR we use to be.

  • TDW Segal

    There is reason here. I am quite certain that McLean knows about marksmanship, gun safety, and making good shoot-don’t-shoot decisions from his military service, but there are many other persons carrying guns who have no such training and may miss their targets in shootouts possibly injuring or killing innocent bystanders.

  • Christopher51

    It’s all about the money. Collateral damage is acceptable so long as does not interfere with the bottom line.
    Abraham Lincoln summed it up so succinctly when he said, “I would rather face the whole of the Confederacy, than to face my backers.”

  • ranger09

    Hard to think about living without Rules, We all have OUR rights, WE all lay down Rules to protect what is OURS. Its called if you dont like my Rules GO somewhere else. Most rules that hurt us are the Rules handed down from Politicians(The Powers to Be) If you took all the Rules, Laws these people have put into play, IT would circle the world 10 times or more. When we only need RIGHT and WRONG Thinking. It reminds me of a story about a six year old Girl who wrote something about her Papa that was in VietNam and was going to read it to an assemble at her school, The school People rejected her paper and refused her the right to read to the Assemble. This was rejected because the Girl used the word GOD.I understand ONE person filed a complaint. Now was this a Right or Wrong rule. The School People said that the Word GOD was not in keeping in the separation of State and Religion. I wonder if this School has a Library, If so they need to remove most all the Books they have. So much for Rules. Also Do they fly the AMERICAN FLAG., DO they use MONEY at the School. People we have let our basic Rules go to Hell. People when are WE going to Take Back what is RIGHT and WRONG.

  • Zypp

    If you wonder why the signs keep elephants away, it is because they are “pack”yderms. The signs are not 100% effective because there are a few rogue elephants around.

  • ranger09

    Nothing wrong with Basic Warnings or the Posting of Information., That you want People to be aware of Like an old Boy in Texas posted on his Property. Its not the Dog you have to worry about its MR COLT. Are the One down the road. If you come in Peace You are welcome, If not You are Dead. Simple and to the point. An old Sheriff in Texas i was proud to have known always said I will take a man for a Deputy that understands Right And Wrong over an Over educated one that does not understand. This you will have to do some thinking on.

  • Devin McLean

    Excuse me everyone! I just want to inform you that the information posted on this page IS NOT entirely true! I have never been to Afghanistan, and there were NO CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE just myself and my manager as we were closing nor did i send the would-be assailant scrambling for cover. Let me reiterate NO SHOOTS WERE FIRED!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So shouldn’t you go to more prominent sites to post your message that you are not the Devin McLean of the Auto Zone scenario?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Devin: Let me reiterate NO SHOOTS WERE FIRED!!!

      What are “shoots”? Is that another term for “illegals”?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay! Behave yourself! I managed to get almost all the way through this agglomeration of insanity and wasn’t going to comment or come back until I saw your comment and now see what you made me do. LOL

        Somewhere in the deep recesses of my brain I recall some of the boyz from the ‘hood at the only inner city school I worked at using the term “shoots”. I think it meant that someone was a huge BS-er and it was accompanied by a “finger gun shot” at them and a laugh. Is that an appropriate definition/usage for this case?

    • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

      Devin,
      I’m glad you did not need to fire. Nonetheless, if you prevented a robbery, especially with no one being hurt, you still deserve an “attaboy” rather than being fired. If the fired part is correct, you also deserve a better job where you get to work with folks who appreciate you. Best wishes to you and yours.

    • Richard Babin

      I’m not sure if you really are “the” Devin McLean but your two statements are correct. You were in the Air Force but never went to Afgan and the robber didn’t seek cover but ran away as a coward would when facing someone that also is “armed”.

  • TJ

    You Lose Corporate AutoZone…

  • http://Hotmail,Facebook Jerry Verdugo

    We do NOT know what the intentions of this robber was. More likely, to rob the store of their money. With this high probability, it makes sense, to me at least, to support the store’s policy not to bring your guns to the store’s property. If the robber had said he was going to kill someone, yes, shooting the robber would be self-defense. We don’t have this evidence before us. I actually had experienced an armed robber enter an auto parts store while I was buying some parts. He didn’t see me, because I was sitting next to entrance door and to the side. He wore a mask, and pulled out a gun on the cashier, and demanded all the money. I tip-toed behind him, and exited the door as quietly as possible. I made it outside and to a neighbor’s yard, just to escape their dog as I entered into their porch. The owner was furious, and said he’s going to call the police. To make a short story, he wouldn’t let me call the police without his mother’s permission, which she said no, because they don’t know me. After arguing for 15 minutes (!), they finally called the police, and, yes, the robber had plenty of time to escape. Idiots!

    • Joe America

      Jerry, Boy are you right. I’m the union steward for criminals and I damn well don’t want them getting shot. After all, criminals are just doing their jobs. And, we must keep guns out of their work place! Somebody might get hurt and it just might be one of my union brothers. So, you civilians, you amatures, keep your guns at home, in a safe and leave the robbing and killing to us professionals.

    • Wumingren

      If the robber had no intention of killing someone, he would not have brought a gun to the store. I was taught that you never point a gun at something you don’t intend to shoot or kill. Are you award that even if a robber were to keep his hand in his coat pocket and announce, “I have a gun! Give me all your money!” he will be charged with armed robbery, even if it’s just his finger he’s pointing? Are you aware that if anyone is killed, even by fright-induced heart atttack, the finger-pointer will be charged with murder? Wishful thinking is going to get you dead if you think you have to wait for the guy to say, “I’m going to kill you!”

    • Richard Babin

      Jerry, I believe you’re being too easy on this “would be” robber. His intentions were pretty obvious! What would anyone think about a man’s intentions when he walks into the store holding a handgun, that he’s merely going to ask for directions?

      I also was robbed by a man holding a 38 caliber snub-nose revolver when I was working night shifts at a 7-11 while going to school. When the police caught him and I picked him out of a lineup, he yelled that he should have killed me!

      If I was in a store and saw a man come in holding a handgun, it wouldn’t take me more than a second to process his intentions. And, if I was carrying my handgun, I wouldn’t wait until he shot me first or the store clerk and only then say to myself, as I attempted to get a shoot off, “oh wow, this guy really intends to harm us!”

      Just my 2-cents worth…

    • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

      “Excuse me, Mr. Robber, now that I know that you’re *really* about to shoot someone, I need to run home and come right back with my gun so I can practice self defense…”
      When seconds count, liberal brains are only generations away… talk about slowing down the herd…

    • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

      And if you had been carrying during the robbery you witnessed, you could have snuck up behind him, put your gun to his head, causing him to pee his pants, then lie in it on the floor, until the cops arrived, who would then have been at leisure to ascertain his true intentions while the rest of you went about your lawful business. Geez… things to make you say “Arrrgh!…”
      (Sorry for multiple posts, I was in a state of reaction & had a brain freeze.)

  • ron

    you people think that robbers just want the money and they will leave just ask the family of a Hess gas station worker that was killed how that works

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.stevens.10236 James Stevens

    stop buying at Auto Zone until they change their policy.
    Almost 95% of their stock is from China anyway.
    Do the same to all the business you shop at. Let your
    dollars or the absence of them make the decisions for them. jws tx

  • http://gbvieto.wordpress.com deepizzaguy

    Auto Zone blew this call big time.

  • Peter

    O.K. none of us will patronize Auto zone anymore. Lets look at this from another perspective. He did not have the weapon in the store but in his vehicle. If VA is a concealed carry state and he had the proper permits my view is he should contact a good lawyer (sic) and sue the p out of autozone for violation of his rights. Autozone has very deep pockets and will try to avoid this type of negative publicity and would most likely settle to shut things up. I am certain it would be for an amount that would compensate greater than a lifetime of selling brake pads.
    Just find a lawyer that is willing to take this based on success or no payment and have fun.
    Bet there are a few ex Autozone lawyers looking for work.
    Have fun..God Bless America and stop f’ing with our Vets

  • Peter

    who would you rather be in an autoparts store with at closing time ?
    A veteran
    A veterinarian, or
    A vegetarian

    No brainer hey.

  • larry ryan

    to Eddie, Actually in the OLD Testament God ordered many deaths. And just a BTW to people who justify their no gun stance by quoting the 10 commandments. The commandment in English is a bad translation of a bad translation. Actually they all are but this the most egregious. The commandment does NOT say: “thou shalt not kill” If that were the case, you’d be breaking it every time you eat celery. The commandment is: “thou shalt not murder.” How one defines murder is sometimes sticky and certainly used and misused all the time. You’ll likely get a different answer state to state and from a prime rib eater and PETA crazy.

  • Stuart Conner

    Let the politically correct Auto Zone corporate executives what Auto Zone go down the tube. My family, my friends, and I vow to never again step foot inside an Auto Zone store. May the executivfes enjoy their empty and “gun free” stores!

  • Michael Saxman

    I’m glad this made national headlines. AutoZone SHOULD BE exposed as being “all about the money” over the safety and rights of their own employees. I’m a car guy, I have car guy friends and two good friends who are mechanics. We’ve talked this over, now guess where we will NOT be shopping for auto parts from now on?!

    NAPA, CarQuest and O’Reilly Auto Parts rock….get me AutoZone? (You ignorant pencil-pushers)

  • Michael Saxman

    Write to these buffoons who make policy at AutoZone, let them know you will NOT BE buying any parts from them because of their silly policy and the firing of this heroic veteran who probably saved his manager’s life if not his own.

    Name:William C. Rhodes III
    Title:Chief Executive Officer, Management
    President, Administration
    Email:william.c.rhodesiii@autozone.com

    Name:Michael E. Longo
    Executive Vice President, Management
    Email:michael.e. longo@autozone.com

    Name:James A. Shea
    Title:Executive Vice President, Management
    Email:james.a. shea@autozone.com

    Name:Bradley W. Bacon
    Title:Executive Vice President, Operations
    Email:bradley.w. bacon@autozone.com

    Name:Donald Rawlins
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:donald.rawlins@autozone.com

    Name:Brett D. Easley
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:brett.d. easley@autozone.com

    Name:Bruce G Clark
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:bruce.g clark@autozone.com

    Name:Harry L. Goldsmith
    Title:Vice President, Management
    Email:harry.l. goldsmith@autozone.com

    Name:J.R. Hyde III
    Title:Member of Board of Directors, Management
    Email:j.r..hyde iii@autozone.com

    Name:Michael Archbold
    Title:Member of Board of Directors, Management
    Email:michael.archbold@autozone.com

  • tim

    I have open carried several times in oriellys here in las vegas and nothing was ever said to me about it. I guess I will have to find an auto zone and see what they say or whether there is a sign on the door declaring it as a gun free zone!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.douds.58 Mike Douds

    I just got an ad from A.Z. in my email. I not only unsubscribed but I sent customer service a letter telling them that I’m ‘out of the zone’ for good because their corporate policy is to deny the #1 human right; that of self defense, to their employees. I also said that the guy that should have gotten fired was the guy that dreamed up that policy. I hope they lose a lot of business. They’re not that great anyway.

  • nickkin

    Let’s have corporate manage these stores personally and get some real life experience away from their ivory towers to see how the store front employees survive….you could call it, “corporate survival in the work-world”.

  • PK

    I am a firm believer in the fact that armed responsible citizens reduce crime. Unfortunately our litigious society prevents retailers and large employers from being able to follow common sense and constitutional values. Their insurance company sets the standard for what they allow. AutoZone also has a policy that you are not allow to set foot outside the store to pursue a shoplifter. Their insurance company has statistics that show they are at greater risk when this occurs so it becomes policy in the stores. What this guy did was heroic and he should be honored by society. He decided that his actions were of greater importance than his job. Nonetheless, AutoZone should have had the balls to go public and state that this incident transcended above and beyond their rules. not cowardly hide behind a “policy.” AutoZone missed a huge opportunity for their public image on this one.

  • SJJolly

    To the corporate cubical-rat, following corporate policies, rigidly, regardless of how stupid they might be, is the road to continued employment, promotion and (maybe) eventual retirement on the corporate dime. If the over-paid “producers” at the top of many corporate pyramids are happy with this, who’s to say the cubical-rats are wrong?
    (Dilbert lives!)

  • Danny

    No, I don’t consider this guy a ‘hero’. I consider him an idiot. He left the store, then came BACK in the store, to start a gunfight. I see he served in the armed forces for a few minutes, so I guess he’s a hero?! No, these are the actions of a person who’s a loose cannon, and no, I don’t want him working for me either if he’s gonna get me shot playing the ‘hero of the day’.

    I love how all conservatives have a perpetual tear in their eye for ‘armed forces’ people. “Oh, they fight for our freedoms, Oh how I love them so”! Yeah, until they’re missing a couple of limbs, then you’ll just call them disabled and not take care of them. You’ll still call them ‘hero’ though, and suggest public praise and commendations.

    Here’s a sad truth people. MOST of the people who join the armed forces are NOT doing it to ‘fight for YOUR freedom’. Most of the people who join, join because they don’t have enough experience/intelligence to get a job in the civilian world and they turn to the armed services because they have nowhere else to go. Simple truth.

  • Danny

    On a lighter note, I will continue shopping at Auto Zone, because I know I’m much less likely to run into an ego-tripping gun owner who’s so afraid of the world at large that he feels he has to carry a gun around with him everywhere he goes. I’ll also avoid those folks who fantasize about finding themselves in a situation where they will have to DRAW! You know the type, these are the guys who can’t EVER stop talking about their [comment has been edited] guns. They are always the first ones to start lipping off about how “hell, I won’t hesitate to shoot”! They also usually always have a story or two about how they ALMOST had to use their gun! Meanwhile, 99% of all other Americans, go about their day not having to worry or be afraid or fantasize about gun violence.

    Hey, how timely! The news JUST SHOWED a story about someone shooting a bunch of kids in an elementary school! See, if the liberals would let those kids carry guns to school, this kind of thing probably wouldn’t happen! No one would carry a gun into a school and start shooting everyone if all the kids had guns!

    • Joe America

      Danny, with all due respect, if things deteriorate, you may want that gun. I hope civility doesn’t come to an end in our country, but if we do have a depression, it’s not going to be like it was in my grandma’s day. Back then, nobody locked their doors. Although she and my grandpa were poor, they fed the other poor, who would beg for food. She’d fix them up a plate and give them a drink and they’d peacefully, gratefully and respectfully accept the offering. Even during the depts of the depression, overall crime was low. There is no depression, yet people want to kill and maim others. They aren’t satisfied if you “just give it up.” They want to do you serious harm, or even take your life. If we have another depression, it will be ten times worse than the great one. People will take what they want, by force, from you and everyone else. I’m not a big fan of guns, either, Danny, but the evil of our times will make them necessary.

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