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George W. Bush Admits He Approved Torture Of Suspected Terrorists

November 11, 2010 by  

George W. Bush admits he approved torture of suspected terroristsGeorge W. Bush has revealed several new tidbits about his presidency in his memoirs Decision Points, which was released on Nov. 9. Among other things, Bush admits that he considered dumping Dick Cheney in 2004 as his Vice President and that he was deeply affected by Kanye West's accusations following Hurricane Katrina that the President was a racist.

In addition, Bush affirms that he told CIA officials that they could torture a suspected 9/11 mastermind. According to media reports, Khalid Sheik Mohammed supposedly had knowledge of terrorist plots against the United States, and Bush had little reservation about using waterboarding — the act of simulated drowning to extract information from a detainee.

President Barack Obama and the current Justice Deparment have condemned waterboarding, saying that it is prohibited by international law. The Obama administration has, however, shown little willingness to pursue action against Bush and his administration for approving the interrogation tactic.

John Hayward, of HumanEvents.com, defended the former President's statements and said there has been a "fundamental childishness" associated with the battle over enhanced interrogation techniques.

"If Americans were ever to learn that a large-scale plot had succeeded because captured terrorists had been treated with the full array of rights reserved to lawful combatants, they would howl for the blood of those responsible," Hayward wrote. "Very few critics of waterboarding would hesitate to use it to save their loved ones."

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  • Dan az

    Dosent anyone know that this type of so called torture is used on our own soldiers as training?No one has ever died from it but it is scary!With the knowledge of how it affects ones well being is the point without getting the info that is needed what are you going to do? ask them to comply with your wishes or just give them the right to be silent and plead the fifth.War is hell people and that is not what they did to us nor did japan or veit nam or any one else so for the sake of all you libs and progs I say try it before you condone it.Its not that bad. Bush did what he needed to do and I give him my respect for that.At least he didnt try to release them so they would train others how to defeat us just days later.Can you say treason?

    • Kinetic1

      No, Dan, the Japanese did not treat us with kid gloves. No, they water boarded Americans which lead to their being tried for war crimes. WE, the U.S.A. demanded they be tried for war crimes. But now it us, and when we choose to torture someone over 80 times, well that’s ok. Sure, we signed the Geneva conventions and sure, our law states that any time we sign such a treaty it becomes part of our own law, but we’re America, so even our own laws don’t matter.

      The more important question is, was it worth it?
      “According to Ali Soufan, an FBI interrogator, waterboarding and other “enhanced interrogation” procedures caused a key Al Qaeda operative to clam up, not provide actionable intelligence as former Vice President Dick Cheney and others have claimed.”
      Hmmm, doesn’t sound like it.
      “In my first interrogation of the terrorist Abu Zubaydah, who had strong links to al Qaeda’s leaders and who knew the details of the 9/11 plot before it happened, I asked him his name. He replied with his alias. I then asked him, “how about if I call you Hani?” That was the name his mother nicknamed him as a child. He looked at me in shock, said “ok,” and we started talking.”
      Oooh, that sounds brutal!
      “Soufan told the (Senate) subcommittee that after Abu Zubaydah was cooperating, a CIA team led by a contractor began to use increasingly abusive interrogation techniques – over Soufan’s objections – and Abu Zubaydah stopped talking.”
      Well, that’s just what we hoped for! Now we can really get down to the work of torture.
      “To capture Saddam, Eric Maddox “broke” nine key detainees – some within a matter of minutes – by earning their trust and understanding what motivated them.
      “You have to understand the psychology,” Maddox, who has conducted more than 2000 interrogations, explained. “When you waterboard someone he fears for his life, but there are more powerful motivators.”

      So, was it legal? Bush’s team said it was, but not too many legal experts agree. Was it necessary? Sounds to me like the Cowboys just wanted to feel like men instead of letting the experts do their job. Just one more case where the administration wasted money bringing in “contractors” to do the work of our well trained military / intelligence agencies and ended up causing more trouble than good.

      • Michael J.

        Kinetic1,
        More powerful motivators than the threat of death? I doubt it.

        Also, the Japanese used salt water when water boarding which can and did cause death unlike the technique used against the terrorist.

        • Angel Wannabe

          MichaelJ, the Japs also used bamboo shoots on our soldiers, under the fingernails, left them there, and when they wanted more info, pushed them in a little farther under!!!_-Water boarding a war criminal??__If I were a prisoner of war, and made it through water boarding, I’d be glad I didn’t drown!!

          • Michael J.

            Thank you Angel, I am aware of that, as a matter of fact bamboo under the fingernail torture was more widely discussed than waterboarding at the time.

        • Dogma-Free

          Michael J. – You sound like you know all about the Japanese water-boarding torture techniques…were you there? Did you have to endure the water-boarding torture at the hands of the Japanese? Or are you just guessing, or going by what some far-right website (aside from this one…or maybe even this one) has told you? Just curious.

          As well, did you also know that, under Baby Bush’s watch, there were American soldiers tortured…by other American soldiers…?

          But, please…don’t take my word for it. Look into it yourself. Apparently, over 25,000 cases of this have occurred since 2001, after the 9/11 incident. I’m sure, *as a true patriot*, this would probably infuriate you as much as it does me, regardless of political leanings.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Dogma, do yourself a favor and read some history___I’ll bet you think that the war under Bush was the only war, where stuff went horribly wrong__or They’re was friendly fire___ORmen just snapped on the battlefield___ What you Progressives are looking for is someone to blame__Bush has been and easy target and quite frankly you Progressives are worse now, since ya lost 680 seats in last weeks election_-I’m gonna tell you the same thing you shoved in our Conservative face___GET OVER IT__WE WON!!

          • Michael J.

            Dogma-Free,
            You, of course had no way of knowing but will soon find out that you have bitten off a little more dog biscuit than you can probably chew.

            First off, I wasn’t standing next to Neil Armstrong in the Sea of Tranquility when he stepped off the Lunar Lander either, but I’m pretty sure it happened.

            Just so we get this straight, are you saying that the Japanese did not use salt water waterboarding on American POW’s?

            As far as American soldiers being tortured by other American soldiers goes and if I’m correctly sifting through the progressive spin machine, I beleive you are referring to SERE, Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape used to train American service personel to among other things resist the interogation technique of waterboarding.
            The only thing that infuriates me about the estimated 40,000 servicemen and woman who have endured this test of mind and body fortitude for god and country, is that they seem to be overshadowed by the three waterboarded terrorist whose intent was to kill us.

            For your information, SERE was initiated long before the two terms that George W. Bush proudly served, without even one subsequent sucessful terrorist attack I might add.

            Now that I’ve cleaned your clock you will pause, lick your wounds, google a few stats in a desperate attempt at a rebuttal. Once you come to the realization that your position is indefensible, you will simply come back with the progressive default mantra about how I’m just an uneducated rightwinger typing away with one finger in a trailer some place in the deep south.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said MichaelJ!!!

      • Teresa

        The President has nothing but my respect for doing what was right in war times to save American lives. Bush put OUR country first, while you and our current President sit and judge him for his actions he will not even say the words terrorist or denounce jihad as the terrorist that they are. How dare you sit there and put down these actions when our soldiers have had their heads chopped off, and our President will not even stand and say jihad is a terrorist form of Muslims and Bush waterboarded 3 known terrorist that brought down top known terrorist and their plots!
        Incredible! Who do you stand for???????

        • DavidL

          Teresa,
          I recognize and applaud (and support) your passion for the defense of our country. But as a fellow citizen and US combat veteran, I have to tell you that the issue is more complicated that just accepting general patriotism.

          1. International law, and by Article 6 of our Constitution (Supremacy clause), our domestic law forbids the use of torture. Water boarding IS torture. All Presidents up to Clinton followed the law. They recognized it as torture, and they did not authorize it. President Bush did (He just admitted it again while trying to sell his book.) President Obama also recognizes it as torture and, once again, has prohibited its use. The fact that President Bush asked a lawyer for a legal OPINION is irrelevant. Why? Because the lawyer’s opinion was wrong. If a lawyer tells you it’s okay to rob a bank, is it okay? Of course not.

          2. Torture does not work! There is nothing more unreliable than a forced confession. I was trained by our military how to resist and lie my way out of torture if possible. I can get you to admit to the killing of JFK and M.L. King in five minutes. (It doesn’t matter whether you were old enough.) I’ll get you to say it. People will say anything to stop the torture.

          3. Through Bush Administration torture policy, no valuable intelligence was gotten and no lives were saved. The valuable intelligence and lives saved were gotten through the legal and accepted practices of interrogation.

          4. If we torture, they torture. Do we want our soldiers, men and women, subjected to this? Let those who will break the international law rules of war do so at their peril. The US does not!

          5. If I am in a combat situation and my enemy knows that I torture, he is going to fight on longer and harder. I would. That ensures more American causalities and deaths. (When I was overseas and in combat, I vowed to myself that I would not be taken alive.)

          Again, I respect and accept the fact that you love our country. So do I. But we all have to love and support our country with intelligence and not blind partisan loyalty which ends up turning our country into something we don’t want.

          • Michael J.

            DavidL,
            I beleive you are an imposter. Your words do not have the aire of an individual who has faced the white hot lead of a fire fight.
            And what childish naivety to suggest that if we refrain from torture then so will our enemies.
            As for the effectiveness of waterboarding, read my post below to Jopa.

          • Teresa

            How many presidents prior to Bush were placed in the situation of us being attacked on our own soil for us to use this tactic?
            You may or may not be who you say you are but this much I will tell you. My father served on the USS Enterprise as well as my 10 uncles and I am the great, great niece of Sgt. York…so if I show passion it is because I do w/nothing but respect for the ones who put their lives at risk every day for US to lie down every night in a free nation. I find it funny that so many Americans can talk so much about how we should show tolerence for the terrorist rights while so many of OUR own have lost their lives…their heads cut off, their bodies tortured, their children left w/o partent, w/o children….but as long as we follow a law in war times not to water board….PLEASE! They attack us, if I were President..I would have done worse with no remorse!

          • a progressive nightmare

            T Teresa……Sgt. York? WOW! He is my Hero without a doubt!! I wonder what he would think about Americans today? Soft? Petty?Foolish? Childish? Self-absorbed? Plainly naive? Dependent?

            I also wonder what he would have done to the terrorists to get intel? Ouch! Boy would it be ugly! I personally would have NO PROBLEM stomping a mudhole in their arses big enough to parallel park an 18 wheeler in it.

          • Teresa

            Yes, it is sad indeed. We have the reunions couple times a yr. still over in Jamestown. You can visit the website of Jamestown and you will see why he loved it so much, beautiful country. I do find it sad that todays society is so worried about being politically correct or their tolerence, it makes me sick..instead of worried about OUR safety and OUR rights!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Teresa, you go girl!!!!!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DavidL,
            you want to talk of torture?? Just ask any POW from VietNam what they endured! Arms stretched out of their sockets made to kneel with a rod behind the knees, legs broken and alowed to mend out of place, lowered into pits of excrement that have leeches in it, and worse!! Some of those would have welcomed waterboarding as when it’s over, it’s over! Some of the effects of what they went through are still there!! THAT’S torture!! They were experts at it!!

          • Dan az

            DavidL
            You were not in nam where you?During that campaign the form of our interrogations where held in a helicopter high above the ground when they didnt answer the question they went for a walk with the last guy.But you would know that if you where there would’nt you?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Kinectic__I’m glad your not working to keep us safe, cuz with your wimpy methods of interogation, we’d be dead years ago.__treat a prisoner kindly, who just as soon, lop someones head off while wailing AALAH!!_-No wonder were in trouble.

        • a progressive nightmare

          Yep!

    • Vigilant

      Kinetic1,

      “Sure, we signed the Geneva conventions and sure, our law states that any time we sign such a treaty it becomes part of our own law, but we’re America, so even our own laws don’t matter.”

      As I understand it, the Geneva Convention had no applicability whatsoever to these criminals. It was written to cover uniformed forces of national armed forces.

  • RON LITTLE

    Lets see if we all turn into animals,and they do it to all our boys,and everyone can say ,I had to do it to protect you!Nice world were turning into!!! Now this is just what Jesus did to protect himself,WATER BOARD ANYONE WHO OPPOSES US OR MAY BE A DANGER TO ME OR MINE!!!

    • JeffH

      RON LITTLE, could you explain your thoughts a little more?

  • JeffH

    Wow, a whole 3 terrorists were waterboarded, now ain’t that a shame!
    Been very interesting listening to some of the interviews with Bush.
    Obama should take some time from his busy “I and Me” campaign schedule and spend some time learning about diplomacy with Bush. Where Bush has been a class act in his “retirement” O’man continues to be classless…”get in the back of the bus” classless.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JeffH,
      Those terrorists better watch out for Nobama or he will GOLF the info out of them!!! what a fearsom dude!!!

      • Vigilant

        …Or even worse torture: force them to listen to left wing propaganda for 24/7. Olbermann or Maddow would do the trick.

        • http://naver samurai

          How about setting them up on blind dates with Hillary, Nancy, ro Barney? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            wooo dam!!! Just the thought, I give up, what do you wanna know??? See torture DOES work!!!

          • Dan az

            samurai
            Please stop there needs to be a law against that one thats just plain cruel.

  • wayneman

    In response to the former President’s torture tactics, Have we all forgotten 911??? Drastic times deserve drastic measures. Mr.Bush did what he had to do,for this country.Probably more should have been tortured to find PUBLIC EMEMY#1 OSAMA BIN LADEN…So to all of his critics that believe that torture was wrong,the families of the 911 disaster have been tortured in there minds wondering why they lost there loved ones. In times of war i back his decision 100% and so should ALL AMERICANS….GOD BLESS AMERICA….

    • Angel Wannabe

      wayneman__absolutely!__Bush like all the rest of us, wasn’t perfect__But damn it he wasted no time in going after terrorists, following 9/11!__Bush has class, he’s takin a beating in the media and by the Obama Administration, but does not retort!_-Call him what you will, I think he and the Demcratic congress did they’re best after 9/11!

    • Winnie

      wayneman. More should have been done to find Osama Bin Laden. But what did Bush do? He went after Saddem. So of course he had to use torture to try to get back on track. And hey, let’s get down and dirty like the enemy and start chopping heads off. At leqast he didn’t get that far. And Osama is still alive and waging war on Americans.

    • a progressive nightmare

      Same here….Bush did exactly what he had to do to protect us…Pretty darn straight forward stuff. Bush is a man of principle and honor and I can assure you that making those decisions took a very heavy toll on his heart. Personally, I would have unleashed the gates of hell on them and there would have been NO survivors.

      I find it interesting now, since the smoke has cleared, President Bush has been portrayed as a war criminal. Back during the crisis, he had a 90% approval rating and WE AMERICANS were behind him all the way. Heck, I had both male and females working for me at the time that were stating in our office, BUSH better get those rag heads and when he does he needs to chop THEIR heads off! Let’s blow a few of their women and children up! That group of people represented every part of the the political spectrum, from far left to far right. Even CONGRESS had the same reaction!

      Funny how things change when weak minded people get their security blanket back, now isn’t it.

      • Dan az

        Thats a Fact!

  • Michael J.

    Three terrorist tortured, three hundred million Americans saved! Sounds like an equitable trade to me, case closed.

    In retrospect however, waterboarding is a harsh measure and should be reserved as a last resort for those intent on doing catastrophic damage to our nation as a whole, such as Dirty Harry Reid and Nasty Nancy.

    *News Flash – Scuttlebutte has it that the unknown projectile launched off the coast of California was Nasty Nancy’s gavel as it was wrestled free from her posterior.

    • LeRoyZ

      Someone else to weigh in on this….just my humble opinion of course…I know waterboarding is a harsh measure, but I would not keep it as a last resort for these people and don’t believe I ever will. The reasons are many….The thuds of the bodies hitting the pavement around the trade center on 9/11, the sight of a woman climbing out of a window, glancing skyward, and launching herself into space. I can still remember how her skirt was stretched by the breeze and the ridiculous thought that if it had been more voluminous, it could have acted as a parachute. My god how that vision haunts me. Another vision…a man in a wheel chair being pushed off the deck of a ship. Jihadists hiding in places of worship or behind women and children.And the worst of all…the thought of someone being stoned to death. People who would do this kind of thing are animals and don’t deserve any consideration whatsoever. All this talk of laws, rules, regs means nothing as far as I’m concerned. I didn’t even mention anything about things like genital mutilation of young girls. We will never defeat these people as long as we have to consider their ‘rights’.

  • Angel Wannabe

    I think what the Military does to keep us safe is none of our civilian business. The CIA, The FBI and the like have a job to do, that is to gather info on the threats of the United States and intervene when they have to.__If you allow political correctness & interference on getting info, you undermine our very existence._-War and the things associated with it isn’t always pleasant._ My Dad and his three Brothers all served in WWII on different fronts__I’ve heard all the stories!_War, is survival of the fittest, quickest & the shrewd__ It is kill or be killed._-Some times innocents get caught in the crossfire, its a sad fact of life. But_ Asking for permission, guidlines & Pussy-footing around with a known terrorist, planning a another 9/11 is placing all of us directly in harms way.__Unless you are a military expert, then civilians__ keep your mouths shut and stay the hell out of it!

    • Angel Wannabe

      __and HAPPY VETRENS DAY TO ALL OF TROOPS!__GOD BLESS

      • Dan az

        Angel willbe
        thanks for your thoughts

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Angel Wannabe well said on BOTH posts and I thank you for your thoughts!!

  • jopa

    Jeffh: Bush was not in retirement trying to be a class act, he was actually laying low so as not to be an embarrassment to the retardican party before the elections.Don’t you read newspapers?They wanted the voters to forget the damage that he has done to this country for decades to come.Debt he has put upon our grandchildren by putting two wars on a credit card.

    • Angel Wannabe

      jopa, I didn’t see Obama’s sorry azz crawling up on and a heap of twisted metal that used to be called the Twin Towers, with his arm around a fire fighter and bull horn, telling New Yorkers “they were going to get the ones who did this to the United States!!_-All Obama does is bow to our enemies, regard simple American people as the bad guys, as takes the hell off on air force one, to get away from the embarassment and loss of 680 Democratic seats, scarffed up by the Conservatives and Repubs. Hows that HOPEY CHANGEY SH*T working out now there buddy boy???_–Have nice day!!!! :)

      • Vigilant

        TELL him, Angel!!!

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Angel Wannabe, He has his Head up his “Como Se Llama” and that means “pleasure torture.”

    • Michael J.

      jopa,
      I did not see eye to eye with many of George W. Bush’s policies, but when it came to terrorism, Bush called their actions what they were “Islamic Terrorism”, not “Man caused disasters”.
      Now if Barney Frank were to contract an incurable anal infection, that would be a true man caused disaster.

      • Dan az

        Michael J
        We could only hope!

    • JeffH

      jopa, aren’t you the well informed one…baaahhhh, baaahhh, baaahhh…time to eat!

      • coal miner

        JeffH,

        Stop those Satanic chants,you are scaring everybody.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Coal dung,
          I hope for youe sake Nobummer doesn’t make a quick stop! If he does, he’s gonna need surgery to remove your lips from his colon!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            JoeH, ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!OMG TOO FUNNY!

          • http://naver samurai

            OMG! Very funny, fellow patriot! I needed the good laugh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • JeffH

          Speaking of being scared, don’t you melt away when the sunlight shines on you after you crawl out of cave.

          • Angel Wannabe

            JEFFh, he probably doesn’t not melt, but I’ll bet the flies scatter!

          • JeffH

            AWB, they must be “shoo” flies then.

          • Angel Wannabe

            JeffH, OMG__ats’ alotta sheep dip!!__as you say Baaaaaaa_baaaa!__LOL

  • Mick

    One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do !and Bush did what he had to do.
    I am sick and tired of people wanting to treat our enemies with kids gloves, Libs always refer to the Geneva convention but what they don’t seem to realize is that other countries are not as stupid as we are to divulge their methods of interrogation and you can be sure that worse torture has been and still is used for them finding out valuable informationsregardless of the geneva convention.
    This catering has led to the growth of terrorists over the years, if we and others countries had put their efforts together to eliminate terrorism by executing them it would be over today and the idea of treating those bastards as human being shows how stupid the population has become .
    To our service men and women HAPPY VETERAN”S DAY and to our marines HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY…

    • Angel Wannabe

      Danm right Mick!__Bush’s got class!__When Obama took over, the big deal speel was to smear the name of Bush, and try to take our attention off what the Dems agenda was___you can see how well thats worked out!_The Socailists can get bent!!

    • Proud to be a Christian

      One of the news columns I forget which now that all of these problems in Pakistan that the Taliban is causing, they just waited until Obummer took the oath of office, to start pulling their shinanigans because they were afraid of Bush because they knew that if they did, he would bring the forces in and they knew the Muslim worshiping Obummer wouldn’t do anything but apologize. Now which one do you want protecting your back. Thank you, I will take Bush and all the red necks that I can find that have a bible in one hand, beer and gun in the other!!!!!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Proud to be a Christian____Hear, Hear!!!

        • Eric Bischoff

          In God we trust, now pass the ammunition.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eric, The phrase goes “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition”!

      • Vigilant

        Proud,

        What Obama did was much worse than apologize. He telegraphed his intentions to pull out of Afghanistan, AND PROVIDED A TIME LINE FOR WITHDRAWAL!

        Karzai is now negotiating with the Taliban and Iran because he knows he can’t depend on the US as a steadfast ally, and when we withdraw (on schedule), he’s dog meat unless he can curry favor with these terrorist bastards.

        In the meantime, US forces are put into deep jeopardy, and more will die because of Obama’s “academic” mishandling of the war. Most tragic of all, you would have thought we’d learned something from the Viet Nam debacle (about trying to run a war from Washington, DC), but we didn’t.

  • Raggs

    I think torture is much more effective than denying the problem with muslims extremist even exist…

    DUHHHHH!!!!

  • jopa

    I might go along with waterboarding if it worked but all reports indicate there was not a single iota of useful information gathered when the technique was initiated. So why use it?Perhaps we should consider a qualification for the presidency a person who has some military experience, and I do not mean hiding out in th Air National Guard trying to learn how to fly an aircraft that is obsolete and would never be called to duty.

    • Mick

      Raggs says:
      November 11, 2010 at 12:33 pm
      I think torture is much more effective than denying the problem with muslims extremist even exist…

      DUHHHHH!!!*************************************
      ***********************
      Raggs ,,,,Liberals have more sympathy for criminals and terrorists and apathy for law abiding citizens, they have proven it over and over with their comments and policies…..

    • Michael J.
      • DavidL

        Michael (and Teresa),

        1. I am who I say I am. I don’t lie. I fought in Vietnam from 1967 – 1968. Don’t ever question my integrity again. I never questioned yours.

        2. You missed my point. I didn’t say we should not torture because it will guarantee other nations will not. I said we shouldn’t engage in it because under the international rules of war it is illegal. It is the law. You may not like that. I may not like that. But until the law is changed, we are obligated to follow it in good faith. Don’t you agree with this? If not, then you are an anarchist.

        3. I also said that if we torture, those fighting against us would be unwilling to surrender. THIS COSTS LIVES! Don’t you understand this?

        4. I don’t care whether a terrorist animal tortures. If they do, they should be hunted down and taken out. But we as Americans hold ourselves to a different and higher standard, don’t we? And the overwhelming nations of the world who have bound themselves to the conventions against torture DON’T TORTURE.What does it say to the rest of the world if the leader of the free world breaks the law and tortures? It says that everybody can torture. Is that in the interest of our country and the young men and women in uniform? Do you understand that?

        5. Your opinion on torture (Weekly Standard) is disputed by years and years of practice and international legal opinion. Torture does not work! It is illegal! It is immoral! Is that the best you have, the Weekly Standard? Talk about naive.

        5. Please tell me you are a US combat veteran so we can sit down and have a beer together. Are you a veteran? Did you put your life on the line for others?

        6. Teresa: God bless the veterans in your family. But ask them if they think torture is okay and if water boarding is torture. Unless I’m sadly mistaken, they will agree with me and the (UCMJ) Uniform Code of Military Justice which expressly defines and prohibits torture.

        7. If you think what President Bush faced was worse than what was faced during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, then I strongly suggest that you read our history over again. That rationalization you are offering doesn’t pass the smell test.

        • Michael J.

          DavidL,
          You are a phoney, if you had actually served, you would know that non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the Geneva Convention.

          • DavidL

            Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. You are a punk and a waste of time talking to. As the comedian says, “you can’t fix stupid.” And to think I paid my taxes to help educate you. I hope you don’t have children. Their are enough morons in the world.

            Enjoy your ignorance!

          • Michael J.

            DavidL,
            You are fooling no one.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree! The Geneva Convention does do that. Good job! We veterans know the DavidL couldn’t have served. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DavidL
            I have eighteen months of my own over there. I also know for FACT that the geneva convention only covers the signers of it with the countries that also signed. I also know that a combatant that wears no uniform is considered a spy and can be shot without trial! I saw the effects of victor charles’s practices with a couple of our troops and it ain’t a pretty sight! I also saw the aftereffects of them finding a candy wrapper in a hootch and what they did to a pregnant woman. wonderful people the VC! to this day, I’d still like to do away with all of the VC! don’t preach to anyone about your bonifides when your first concern isn’t for THIS country and THESE people! All else comes in second!!!

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Michael J. Yes he served, he was helping Jane Fonda.

          • eddie47d

            Samurai; So what’s new? You call everyone you don’t agree with a liar. You just can’t accept a liberal who has served. That is why you come across as a blind patriot. You are not for Country, but Self with your staged replies. Stand tall David L.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          DavidL, Did you serve alongside John Kerry?

    • LMW

      Well, that would disqualify the community organizing, professor that holds the office now wouldn’t it?

  • Mick

    Michael ,,trying to explain things that makes sense to a liberal is about as efficient as trying to talk to a nut or a drunk, neither are capable of using common sense and have the same unpenetrable mental block as the liberal mind.

    • Michael J.

      Mick,
      I agree, trying to talk sense into these liberals is about as effective as shooting a freight train with a BB gun, the logic just bounces off. Their indoctrination therapist (Olbermann types) have engrained the lies into their DNA.

      • DavidL

        More ignorance!

        • Michael J.

          Face it David, you are a liberal hack.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          DavidL, Speak for yourself.

  • Mick

    Michael J. says:
    November 11, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    Mick,
    I agree, trying to talk sense into these liberals is about as effective as shooting a freight train with a BB gun, the logic just bounces off. Their indoctrination therapist (Olbermann types) have engrained the lies into their DNA.

    ****************************************

    HEY GOOD ONE Michael…….I TRY TO KEEP AWAY FROM THOSE LOONS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND DEFINITELY WILL NOT LIFT A FINGERS TO HELP THEM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, I DON’T CATER OR COMPROMISE WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE OUT TO RUIN OUR COUNTRY,,,I GOTTA GO FOR TODAY,,,SEE YA,,,,,

  • Teresa

    Here is a note to all: Today is veterans day..a day to celebrate OUR heros..OUR soldiers…OUR brave ones…You may not have liked all of Bush’s decissions while in office but you have to give him respect for one thing, in time of our terrorist attack he did what he thought was best for this country and for American people and HE WENT THERE, HE PRAYED THERE, HE TOLD THEM HE WOULD GO AFTER THEM, AND HE DID WHAT THIS PRESIDENT HAS NOT AND WILL NOT DO….HE CONFRONTED, AND SAID WHAT IT IS….TERRORIST, AND HE DID IT WITH CONVICTION! So say what you will about our former President, he has kept quite about his personal views of others, and he earned more respect than the current President EVER will! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ALL THE VETS EVERYWHERE, WITHOUT YOU WE ARE NOTHING!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Bless ya little lady!!

  • J.M.R.

    you don’t win a war by being mister chicken little, if it means smacking the enemy around then do it,

  • kumar

    Mr,Bush did a wonderful Job,

    • coal miner

      kumar

      Bull Honey! Bush sucks!look at the mess he got us in.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Wrap it up coal miner, The Bush smear is dead horse__try another tactic!

        • coal miner

          Angel,

          Here is what 61 percent of historians said about George Scab Bush JR.

          Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the Bush presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.This no smear,but the sober truth.

          • Angel Wannabe

            coal miner, Thanks but, Frankly, I’m not swayed by polls, percentages of people that say “no”, and I could care less what other folks think about G. Bush__ I’m a 54 year Conservative m’friend, beent through alot of stuff myself__ and to my way of thinking, when your in office of that magnatude, I’d imagine theres some pretty tough decisions to make!__Now with all due respect, the POTUS is a figure head, he’s the one out in front, taking all the glory and the Bullsh*t,!__While the Congress and upper echelon tell him what they’re gonna do, NO ONE PERSON RUNS THIS COUNTRY!!!__If he did he’d be King!__-C’MON!!!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coal dung,
            those are opinions and opinions are like azzholes, everybody has one!! Then there’s you who ARE one!!!

        • coal miner
          • Angel Wannabe

            coal miner thanks for the link, but Progressive links don’t have any affect on me, I have tunnel vision when it comes to The Country I call America__and to my way of thinking it goes something like this__We Have the “GOD” given rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, wether you accept it or not is your choice_____Be respectful and pledge allegiance to the flag___At least once a day, Humble yourself & Bow your head in prayer__Adhere to the Constitution we were given by the Founders___If Ya wanna live, eat and have shelter here__then work for it,__ If family and friends need help, help them the best you can__Be charitable & Tithe__Realize that bad weather falls on the just and the unjust, theres such a thing a s hand up, welfare is not meant to be a way of life!___ Honor our Military___ Call a spade a spade whether it hurts or not, tell the truth, none of this PC crap!!!___Trust, but verify!!!__To thine own self be true!!___We are individuals first, together we form a union, which is ONE NATION UNDER GOD!___

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            Watch coal dungers links as some of them make your computer light up like a red light district warning of a possible virus!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thanks JoeH, I only click on links from people I regularly talk to here, like you jeffh, raggs, 45___Progressive links won’t change my mind, so I don’t bother clicking on them.

  • Warrior

    I think the Lauer question was such a loaded lame bs liberal hack setup. Bush’s answer was weak about because the lawyers said he could. My response to lauer would have been ” ya know matt, I’m going to answer you this way – I have this continuing picture in my head of seeing people jumping 95 stories to their death. I think about the people that were burned to death, crushed to death, smashed into small pieces at the hands of these thugs” On to the next question matt!

  • 45caliber

    As far as I’m concerned, waterboarding is not torture. Every soldier we have has had to endure it. Do we torture our own people? No.

    But I will say this. If one of those terrorists has knowledge that will save the lives of our people, soldiers or civilians, then I will be happy to show them what torture really is! And until you libs can not only prove but demonstate that you can get answers by being nice faster than I can by not being nice, keep your mouths shut.

    • JLC

      45Caliber — My personal opinion is that waterboarding is a bit on the tame side. My Apache ancestors would have staked them out over an anthill — or wrapped them up in wet rawhide and set them out in the sun to dry.

      • 45caliber

        It takes too much wet rawhide to wrap someone up. Just use a thong about their throats. A lot of Indians used that to good purpose.

        • JLC

          45Caliber — The hide is reusable and the thong might not be. It ain’t easy getting a knot OUT of rawhide.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          45caliber, Plains Indians and Southwest Indians had our own way of Water-Boarding, take an animal stomach, make it into a water bag , stake the bastards “spread eagle” on the ground “faceup” and let a drop hit the nose or below the chin and watch the bastards slowly die or spill the beans. Or even better bury the bastards in the ground near Red Fire ant hills they either talk or die. Terrorist and traitors to our Republic deserve no less.

      • 45caliber

        Oh, some of my ancestors were Cherokee and Iraquoi. The Iraquoi were quite good at it and the Cherokee wasn’t bad.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Lenape here_45

      • Craig

        Staking is kiddie play. Take a loser, such as any liberal, cut them several thousand times with a razor blade. Dunk them in a vat of vinegar. Then proceed to roll them in salt. Then take a baseball bat and break every bone in their body. Then stick them in a huge microwave. If they do not talk, no biggie, it was just a loser liberal.

        • eddie47d

          Gotta love ya Craig. The voice of Conservatism and ya do a damn good job!!

        • Michael J.

          Craig,
          Vinegar? Salt? Sounds like a recipe for how to pickle a liberal.
          Something tells me that “Picalosi’s” wouldn’t be a top seller even at Walmart.

  • Raggs

    Hey how many of you have heard communist obama saying that this country can handle more terrorist attacks?

    Kinnda sounds to me like obama is in bed with the muslims. I guess that would explain his whirlwind trip of worshipping Allah?

    • 45caliber

      I think he’s right for once. We could handle more terrorist attacks. But who in his right mind would INVITE them as he has done???

      • Raggs

        Prehaps he needs the credit of an attack on the US to show the world he is incapable.. Or maybe an attack on our soil is just what he is looking for.. I think the latter is on target.. He needs it and wants it.

        • Vigilant

          Raggs,

          We’ve already been attacked, at Fort Hood, and it was political correctness that caused it. Do you remember Obama’s first words? “Let’s not jump to conclusions.” Good God!

  • Nancy Kosling

    Inlisted military interagators know how to do their job. They get the important information and always have. The Geneva Convention has a real purpose. Waterboard was only the tip of the iceburg. Suspects did and continue to die because suspects even a year after capture when any knowledge is ineffective information. You may say who cares, but that divides a God fearing man from a sociopath if one does not follow accepted law.

    Some of the readers expressed that the ends justify the means. If the economy collapes and you’r hungry do you break into widowlady’s homes for food and money and torture her to give up her silver?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Nancy__
      Military affairs in the hands of bureaucrats & civilians, is like, sending a Ballerina to shoe horses for a Blacksmith. Military affairs belong to the Professionals in the Military, no on else. We can argue all day long about how we hate war, but the harsh reality is, STILL, If your a soldier, your there to do a job and win the war__it’s kill or be killed._Like it or not.

    • 45caliber

      Nancy:

      Check the Geneva Convention sometime. Anyone who is NOT WEARING A UNIFORM OF HIS COUNTRY is not a soldier and does NOT fall under any Geneva Convention code! So every “insurgent” or “terrorist” captured is not covered under the Geneva Convention. And any and all methods needed to stop such people are allowed in that case.

      That’s why most rebel groups in the world try to have some sort of uniform, even if it is only a red bandana. So your try at insisting that we need to treat them with kid gloves is wrong.

      I’m not saying that we should torture all of them – but I am saying that if it is necessary to save the lives of some of our people I have no problem with it.

      • Vigilant

        “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

        Barry Goldwater, 1964, a true patriot!

  • http://aol.com Frank

    Weather you like George Bush or not ,the man was trying to protect this country, As for Kenya What ever his name is who cares what this Monkey thinks.George should not even mention this clown.How come the Blacks call all White people Racist but we can’t call them that??? Barry don’t want Holder to go after the Panthers. but he is checking on Gov. Christie. WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.

    • Warrior

      Good one isn’t it?

      Ya know, all this discussion about waterboarding, wtf it’s just better to send a drone with a missile down their throats. What a totally dumb discussion. Instead of just killing one, we caught one. What do we do with him? I don’t know but we better not waterboard him or we’re just going to get in trouble. Let’s just set em free, he’ll go back to his camp than we’ll send a cruise missile up his ass. Ok good plan, then we can’t get in trouble.

  • coal miner

    What Donald Trump Said:

    Trump: Bush should have been impeached
    Agence France-Presse
    First Posted 08:50:00 10/16/2008

    Filed Under: Impeachment, People

    WASHINGTON — Property mogul and diehard Republican Donald Trump told CNN on Wednesday that President George W. Bush misled the US into the Iraq War and should have been impeached when the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.

    “I was surprised that she didn’t do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush,” Trump said in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, referring to Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    “It … just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which personally I think would have been a wonderful thing.”

    Trump, 62, said Bush misled the United States into waging war on Iraq, a much worse offense than a dalliance with a White House intern his predecessor Bill Clinton was impeached for in 1999.

    “He lied. He got us into the war with lies,” Trump said about Bush. “And I mean — look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense.

    “And yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true,” he added.

    On the race for the White House, Trump said he was rooting for John McCain to win the November 4 election, and felt sure he could overtake his Democrat rival Barack Obama, whom he trails in opinion polls, in the next three weeks.

    “He’s a very smart guy, he’s a tough guy,” he said. “I think he’d be a great president. But, he has to be John McCain and he could still probably pull it out.

    “But, it’s going to be tough.”

    McCain and Obama face off in their third and final televised debate late Wednesday in New York state.

    Trump inherited a real estate empire and added an airline, casino, resorts, hotels, skyscrapers in New York, around the world and named them after himself, turning his name into a sort of brand.

    He also owns a television show, “The Apprentice,” in which

    • 45caliber

      And you listen to this character?? I haven’t stopped laughing at him since he married his first wife!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Who the lilly livered hell cares what donald trump thinks anyway?? If he thinks he can do a better job than President Bush did, then let him run for the office and do it!!! Oh, good luck on HIM getting elected!!! Although even HE would be an improvement over Nobama!!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        JoeH, Trump has a good mind for business, but the way he goes through women, if he were President, he’d end up like clinto did, caught with his pants down__literally!!!__lol

        • Michael J.

          Angel,
          You’re right about Trump. He goes through woman like prune juice.
          But seriously though, he’d be better than what we got now. Come to think of it, Barney Fife would be better than what we got now.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Michael J,__ Yepper, even with his buggy eyes!__LOL

      • eddie47d

        There you go again. Worrying who has their pants down and loving it.Instead of worrying about the insane wars we get ourselves into. Sex or dead American soldiers?? To you that is an easy one! Hang Clinton on sex and turn it into a tabloid story / Ignore the false reasons for war and help cover it up with false patriotism.

        • Michael J.

          Eddie47d,
          It’s not the wars we get ourselves into that is a problem. It’s the fact that the progressive liberals with their political correctness rantings won’t allow us to prosecute them WW11 style. The limp wristed lefties demand a kinder, gentler fighting fashion with designer rules of engagement whose tactics are laughable and enable our enemies who consider us a soft target because of them.

          And then there’s the media and politicians who never miss a chance to denograte the president or our troops while they are trying to defeat the enemy.

          The blood of all war dead on both sides of the conflict in Iraq and Afganistan is not only on the the hands of Saddam Hussein and the terrorist, but also on the hands of the indigenous left wing zealots in this country who by their actions prolong the conflict and cause more casualties on both sides.

          And why do you still protect Clinton so much? Is there a stained blue dress in your closet as well?

    • Vigilant

      coal miner,

      “Trump: Bush should have been impeached
      Agence France-Presse
      First Posted 08:50:00 10/16/2008″

      The first thing that hit me was “Agence France-Presse.” Should have read “Agence France-Pussies.” Getting your expert US news from the French these days? More to he point, do you expect us to be impressed by that fact?

      Very compelling interview, especially coming from that well known Constitutional scholar, D. Trump. That seems to be the crux of the problem: liberals will take guidance and direction from those absolutely LEAST qualified to give it, e.g., Barack Obama.

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      coal dung miner, And you should be Deported. Now be polite and go F%$# yourself.

      • eddie47d

        Wow! Another disgusting patriotic Conservative American.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          no, coal dunger is a progressive liberal!!!

  • http://com i41

    Democats and the NMCDUP always defindes crimminals and crooks everytime, it is because that is the party leaders and advisors. Just look at how many tax cheats and crooks Onumnutts presented as appointees. Onumnutts and his faggot radical advisors, still are torturing, they are justing sending caputured sand crabs, only it goes on in some other country. Just like mob bosses having their boys do the wet work. Some of these pusified liberials must have forgot the gooks breaking legs or arms and shaking the limb to create pain, or slants putting cages on prisoners heads with rats in them. As for idoits that spout Geneva Convention rules, thet sand pedophiles are not a organized in uniformed combatants! Since they liberals cann’t understand the facts, I guess we need to send over a few big fire sticks, and make glass over in the muslim monkey zoos and settling the freaks down.

  • Eric Bischoff

    If you think it’s ever OK for our government to kidnap, rendition, assassinate and torture anyone then you and the people responsible for this are TRAITORS to what this country is supposed to stand for. No ifs ands or buts, no gray areas, no ends justifies the means BS. No waterboarding is not torture hypocrisy.

    • 45caliber

      I see. Then you are saying that we should handicap all our military and allow the enemy to kill them to maintain our purity? That it is better for some of our soldiers to die that it is to make sure they are safe?

      Perhaps you might change your mind if a terrorist sets off a bomb in your area that kills some of your friends and family members when he could have been stopped if someone scared one of his friends into telling what he planned to do.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yeah here we go again with that regurgitated worthless argument. Even the intelligence community tells us that no good information ever comes from torturing as they will admit to anything and everything they can think of. Aren’t we supposed to be better than that. I don’t want to live at your level.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Eric, get with the program, officials only tell you what you wanna hear!_-They’ll do what they want!

        • Michael J.

          Eric,
          Rising to the level of a patriotic American would require an immense effort on your part, not unlike landing on the moon.
          “One small step for a conservative… one giant leap for a liberal…”.

          • Dan az

            Michael J
            Not bad!

    • JeffH

      Eric, as a progressive blogger, aren’t your bosses holding any “indoctrination & progressive propaganda” seminars that you should be attending?

      Progressive Bloggers Are Money-Grubbing Corporatists

      Five years ago, the progressive political blogosphere was still predominately a gathering place for amateur (that is, unpaid or barely paid) journalists and activists unattached to existing media companies and advocacy organizations.

      Established media companies and advocacy organizations hiring bloggers to blog, full-time: The Washington Post, New York Times, Politico, Center for American Progress, Salon, CQ, Atlantic, Washington Monthly, the American Independent News Network, and more have all hired hired bloggers to blog, full-time. Many of these bloggers, such as fivethirtyeight, Unclaimed Territory, or the Carpetbagger Report, operated their blogs independently of any established organization, and were key hubs in the “amateur” or “independent” progressive blogosphere. Now, those bloggers do pretty much the same thing they did before, they just (quite understandably) do it for a much better salary from an established organization.

      The progressive political blogosphere is now both thoroughly professionalized and integrated into the progressive media an political ecosystem.

      • Dan az

        JeffH
        See I learn something every day here So its all true.

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      Eric Bischoff, Get off the BS-off vodka, What this Republic stands for is what your Terrorist Buddies are attacking, I sure as hell wouldn’t you covering my back, I’d make sure you were next to me so I could keep my eyes on you.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        WIA,
        I think I’d prefer him in between them and me!!!

      • Dan az

        WIA
        Please dont forget go —- yourself.I get a laugh each time dont stop know.

  • Hi Desert ED

    “George W. Bush Admits He Approved Torture Of Suspected Terrorists”

    GOOD!!!

    These are serious times and we face implacable enemies.
    That G.W. Bush openly states that he as POTUS takes responsibility for a serious decision speaks well of the basic character of this man. Contrast this with the community organizer with no resume and no verifiable past that currently squats at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    It’s time for all the hand wringing wimps to get the hell out of the way, sit down, shut up, and let the grownups get on with the business of running this country.
    H D E

    • 45caliber

      If you have noticed, every time some problem has come up that requires a decision, he basically tells the people involved to make the decision themselves. Then he can claim innocence if they make the wrong decision and claim the credit for it if they make the right one.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice are a disgrace to this country and they belong in jail. Unless of course you subscribe to the belief that they are above the law. Executive privilege and all. How does that reconcile with your constitutional beliefs?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Eric__ Is that your redition of how the west was won?__If it was it sucked!!!

    • a progressive nightmare

      Really now….Fact is, I wouldn’t have ANY PROBLEM water boarding you. It may shock your simple minded brain back into reality. MOVE BUDDY! SEE YA!

    • JeffH

      Eric want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • coal miner

        JeffH,

        There you go again,with that chant.

        • eddie47d

          It’s either that or Baa Baa Baa. Maybe he is a Tibetan monk.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            and maybe you are a muslim dung kisser!!!

    • JLC

      Eric Bischoff —— Have YOU ever fought a war? Try it sometime. You’ll grow up in a hurry!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JLC,
        I’d like to see him and Nobama serve two weeks on an active area of operation side-by-side!!! The squatter from whereever would be squatting to pee!!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          joeH, The first shot fired they’d probably sh*t they’re pants!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel,
            Yup, squat, crap, n run!!!

      • Craig

        Liberals do not have the brain matter required to “grow up”.

    • Vigilant

      Eric,

      “Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice are a disgrace to this country and they belong in jail. Unless of course you subscribe to the belief that they are above the law. Executive privilege and all. How does that reconcile with your constitutional beliefs?”

      It would only fail to reconcile with our beliefs if your hateful and gratuitous accusations were true. Of course, we’re confident you have no problem reconciling your accusations with your consummate sense of dishonesty and lack of integrity.

      • eddie47d

        I’m afraid he is ahead of you on this one Vigilante.

        • Vigilant

          The only reason you think you two are “ahead” is that I’ve lapped you twice on the track and I’m coming up behind you to pass agin.

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      Eric Smear-Off, Why the shades? You! buster are the disgrace to our country. President George W. Bush has balls, unlike you, when did you lose them? Was it with your under-wear exchange?

      • coal miner

        WIA,

        Do you mean like the courage that George Vomit Bush SR shown?His father!

        President George Vomit Bush’s visit to
        Japan. The commentators were explaining that a major component of the
        trade deficit was automobiles; imports from Japan are flooding the US market.He seal the deal,he puke on the Jap Prime Minster.That beats that draft dodging son of his,George Scab Bush JR.
        They then broke for a commercial – for Mitsubishi cars.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        WIA
        If he had any , he’d have to return them as they wouldn’t be his!!!

  • chuckb

    bischoff

    it is easy to say you know little about torture and the results thereof.
    i have lived under the reign of barry soetoro for almost two years and i can’t take anymore. i give up, i surrender. now don’t tell me torture dosen’t work.

  • http://com i41

    Having to read socialist pusified comments are torture, typical wimps thinkng if you just pass out tea and candy, these pedophile goat wranglers will just get civilized, the only thing thae stone aged dorks understamd is a rock up sige their diapered heads or a slug between their eyes. I person think all the pervs should be tested like we do ever year on our bulls, get DNA markers. They can keep breathing and talking freely, since liberals think queers should tell and brag, Arabs would sing like birdies.

  • Raggs

    Well… the progressive mindset or the lack of… however you want to see it…

    I think obama needs an attack on the US soil… he is banking on it… He wants an attack either from within our border or from another source… A very evil man will always use any negative to his positive..

  • Claire

    Waterboarding?? So who give a rat’s rump? I don’t. This article just makes me think of what the enemy does to our soldiers when they capture them. To me, waterboarding is minor compared to what they do to our soldiers in some instances. I have no compassion for the enemies of America and for all those people that wish us harm. Rule Number One: Take care of our soldiers first. Take care of America first. If this sounds hardhearted, then so be it.

  • Norma

    Why are you writing for Personal Liberty News? I thought they were conservative but saying water boarding is torture is one of those liberal charges that makes me livid. The terrorists can fly planes into the Twin Towers and kill thousands of people, but they can’t have a little water in their face to get them to talk. Where is your common sense? And whose side are you on? Why not go live with them and write propaganda in their country? You are also being disingenuous at best and a liar at worst by saying that President Bush gave permission to “torture” since water boarding is NOT considered torture, except by you tortured liberals.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Norma,

      Opposing the mistreatment of human beings should not be relegated to a conservative or liberal issue but should be a human issue, and I’m afraid you have fallen victim to the “war on terror” propaganda. Many questions remain about what actually happened on 9/11, and I don’t buy the government line that terrorists living in caves and operating with minimal training were able to commandeer commercial airliners and fly them with enough precision to crash them into two skyscrapers and the Pentagon. I also believe that someone within the government/CIA/military-industrial complex apparatus had prior knowledge of the attacks and in fact may have facilitated them. By the way, did you know that Osama bin Laden is a product of the CIA? Are you aware that the terrorist du-jour, Anwar al-Awlaki, is also a product of the CIA and was invited to a dinner at the Pentagon in the days after 9/11? There are also questions about what actually transpired to bring down the buildings, including evidence of pre-set explosives. There is also a motive for bringing the Twin Towers and Building #7 down, should you care to explore the issue. Why would the government do something like this, you might ask? As grounds for a war, which now enters its 10th year with no end in sight. Perpetual war keeps the citizenry frightened, which is the goal of a totalitarian regime. It allows for the passage of increasingly restrictive laws and erodes Constitutional rights. Who benefits? The CIA, the military-industrial complex, many former government officials who own and operate corporations that produce and sell merchandise in the burgeoning security industry, and Big Government which has become increasingly oppressive.

      Dehumanizing a group of people by taking away their basic rights makes it easier for the government to justify taking away the rights of its own citizens, as demonstrated by the increasingly totalitarian TSA, the actions of which demonstrate contempt for basic 4th Amendment rights. In essence, if you choose to fly commercially, you are considered guilty of conspiring to commit a terrorist act by simply purchasing an airline ticket until you submit to a radiation scan or a sexual assault to prove your innocence. All this has come about because you and many other patsies have a mistaken and misplaced trust that your government only works in your best interests.

      Remember the Maine. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin. Remember the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Remember the underwear bomber. Remember the Times Square bomber.

      I’m sorry if you don’t see the connection.
      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • coal miner

        Mr Livingston,

        I agree with you a hundred percent.

      • Dan az

        Bob Livingston
        Now thats what Im talking about!The end game is NWO and it is approaching Faster day by day.I can only hope that all of this will come out in the wash but we know thats not going to happen,JFK is a prime example of that.That why this site is so important,to inform and educate and to spread the word.Thanks again and keep your powder dry!

  • L. Banks

    I believe everyone who critized Bush needs to walk a mile in his shoes. I also believe his job was to protect our troops and the American people. He did it!

    I don’t like war: I don’t like waterboarding; I don’t like young me to die, but this is the way of the world and it is not perfect. When mankind becomes perfected in spirit, mind and body then maybe we will not have to have these things in our lives, but the world is not perfect. There are people out there who hate and who kill and don’t care about the Geneva convention or anything else. History is full of these examples and it will continue until this earth passes away.

    Bush did what he had to do to protect his people, his troops, his country. So what you are saying is obey the Geneva Convention while our enemies do not and we may lose thousands of troops, citizens, maybe even our country, but we will have honored the Geneva Convention. When others stop their torture, attacks, suicide bombings, kidnapping and beheading, maybe we can all live in a peaceful world that abides by the Geneva Convention.

  • eddie47d

    It’s hard to argue with the essence of your comment and I can see you meant well….but. No leader protects a country by invading another (unless invaded). Iraq never had the capability to attack us and wasn’t a part of 9/11.Bush screwed up and created a bigger problem for our country. Also he put our troops in harms way by this unnecessary war so with that action he actually endangered our soldiers. That should never be taken so lightly.

    • Dan az

      Then eddie why is it that we are know fighting in yemen and helping them take down the terrorist that are only building bombs?They arent the ones that bring them here and use them other terrorist do.Right?The problem with all of you is that you cant see the whole picture,if we take the ones that are training them and use them to our benefit or should I say the CIA’s benefit to rid us of the constitution and bill of rights how can the NWO ever get started?A civil war is to chancy they might actually loose and have to start all over but if say terrorist be it home grown or international were to start something here and get away with it day after day and marshal law was to be invoked then who is it that would benefit from it?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Get off your high horse edwardo.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I like the guy even more now. While Obama buys them lawyers with our money and protects them, Bush sought to get information out of them to save lives. What Obama and liberals are doing, is costing us lives, and that is what is criminal. Wake up liberals, your killing us.

  • Charles Heckman

    George Bush pushed America further toward barbarism than any politician in recent memory. In my own view, his greatest crime was the murder of large number of war veterans who served during and after the Vietnam War. His agents in the Department of Labor, Office of Personnel Management, Department of Veterans’ Affairs, and all of the federal agencies and their contractors who have refused to hire veterans for any jobs and who fired the reservists because they were called to active duty were responsible for far more human rights violations than his torture experts. A weasel remains a weasel! As a young man, he refused to fight for his country out of cowardice, and as a president, he took reprisal against those of us who did bear the burden of defense.

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