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Gays In Military Seek More Reform

October 28, 2011 by  

Gays In Military Seek More Reform

It has been just five weeks since the military effectively ended its ban on gay and lesbian service members. Now a group of homosexual service members and veterans are filing suit to challenge the Constitutionality of the Federal ban on gay marriage.

On Thursday, the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN) filed suit at a Boston district court challenging the Constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), as well as laws precluding the military from providing same-sex married couples with the same benefits and family support as their straight, married peers.

“This case is about one thing, plain and simple. It’s about justice for gay and lesbian service members and their families in our armed forces rendering the same military service, making the same sacrifices, and taking the same risks to keep our nation secure at home and abroad,” said Army Veteran and SLDN Executive Director Aubrey Sarvis. “These couples are in long term, committed, and legally recognized marriages and the military should not be forced to turn its back on them because the federal government refuses to recognize their families.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Jay

    I suppose that technically, they have a case. If, same-sex marriage is legally recognized, should then the benefits be withheld? It makes no sense issuing someone licence to drive, only to deny them the privileges, and the rights that are afforded with said licence! Some may argue, and point out the issue of morality with same-sex union, but that is a separate issue. The issue here, is the fact that they are legally recognized, therefore, they should be entitled to the benefits!

    • DanB

      Are they legalized recognized? Did I read a different article than you?

      The relationship is recognized in the military. I did not see anywhere where it said that the gay marriages were recognized. Now I know some states do recognize such arrangements and allow for it. Some have legalized it, then withdrew. Others withdrew and then legalized it. Some states are still waffling with courts, ballots, and so forth in on ongoing circus act over the issue. However, no where do I recall that has yet been mandated on a federal level except that we have a defense of marriage act that actually stands against gay marriage on the federal level, a law that our current administration has told us that they will no longer defend–selectively upholding and defending the law (not that I am surprised that they are doing so).

      So when I read this, I see this as what I knew was going to happen when DADT was repealed. They were going to use at as leverage to force the issue of gay marriage. Since they are struggling to win in many states, they will take this argument to the federal level to usurp the autonomy of the states on the matter. They will sacrifice our balance of power (not that it isn’t already skewed towards the federal government) to satisfy their goals. And I don’t think they’ll stop there. I happen to believe that since marriage is quite a religious institution that they will seek to force gay marriage into the churches as well, dictating that government mandate the churches on the matter–and thus sacrificing the supposed separation of church and state upon the alter of “equality”. Of course, that is already started with the government moving towards this end. How long until government starts telling churches what to preach over their pulpits? How long until government decides that government can decide what “god” wants the people to learn? That government acts as if it is “god”?

      As for myself, I believe in God. And as we move to replace God’s law with the laws of men, I believe we will destroy ourselves and our nation. There were men of wisdom and learning in years long forgotten that may have not believed in the same God I believe in, yet they were able to reason that there was Natural Law to the world, which coincidentally is the basic foundation of the Ten Commandments as well as Christ’s Law as given in His sermons. And they reasoned that many of the nations of the past (for there were nations that rose and fell before their time) rose and fell according to their compliance with this Natural Law.

      • ValDM

        If you think the feds aren’t already knee-deep in trying to control church, think again. Chaplains in the armed forces have been reprimanded, demoted & outright threatened if they don’t stop praying in the name of Jesus. My husband (a minister of the Gospel) has been told that if he preaches publicly against homosexuality that it is a “hate-crime”, and he can be prosecuted. It isn’t so widely known NOW, but this interference in worship is gaining steam.

        • Greg

          I read where that was coming.

        • Honestly

          Gods laws are not made to be broken. The problem is not the person. We always love the person, but not the sin. That we turn over to God.

          • rick outler

            gods word says in the last days it would be like sodom and gomorrah. welcome to the end times.

        • http://naver samurai

          Read my post farther down where I state that a group of 2000 chaplains have said they will not perform same sex marriages. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H

            samurai,
            remember the story of the camels nose?? Sound familiar here??

      • Bruce Eyster

        That’s ” God’s laws ” as you choose to interpret it ! Which may be a faulty interrpretation . A beleief system , is different than actually knowing .

        • Ronald R. Johnson

          Little Brucie proves that the hurt dog barks first!

    • Robert Smith

      If you have two boys and two girls it’s OK if the boys marry the girls. You have two couples. Benefits and all occur.

      But if the boy is to marry the boy and the girl is to marry the girl it is STILL TWO COUPLES.

      What’s the problem?

      Rob

      • Lost in Paradise

        You don’t get it do you? WEll, the girls don’t have pecker, and the boys have too many between them, and no place to put it. If I had to fight next to a queer, he or she would not be returning home in one piece. Accidents happen. Oh well.

        • James in NY

          I wondered how far I would have to scroll down to see the “kill the gays” comment. It was not very far.

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Little Jamie, hopefully not very far! Does your ma ma know about you yet?

        • eddie47d

          That’s mild compared to some of the things LOST says. I do believe lost is the one who needs to “check in” before this person check’s someone out,(dispose of).

          • Lost in Paradise

            OH my! Eddie are you gettin nervous? You want to come out of the closet but are afraid.

          • eddie47d

            Why would I be in the closet. I’ve been open about Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness all my life.

          • DC/Tex

            The homosexual agenda is the absolute worst disease on the morals of the USA and the world! Homosexuals WERE NOT BORN THAT WAY, so homosexuality does not qualify as a civil rights discrimination issue! ALL SINS ARE CHOSEN! God loves the person but hates the sin!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Careful Eddie47d, your slip is showing and it’s a DEAD give away. Maybe the closet is safer for you!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Homosexuals have been fighting for our country since the beginning.

          • http://naver samurai

            Care to cite a source about that? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Though the U.S. military explicitly prohibited homosexuality in the Articles of War of 1916, a ban wasn’t enforced until World War II.

            From http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1960257,00.html

            General George Washington approved the dishonorable discharge of Lieutenant Frederick Gotthold Enslin who had been found guilty of sodomy and perjury.

            From http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_mili3.htm

            Plus, as you know, homosexuals were not allowed to openly serve so there is little documentation. Nonetheless, they have been a part of our fighting forces in every conflict.

          • Greg

            Illegally.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Patriotically!

          • http://naver samurai

            Immorally, unethically, and unnaturally. Enough said. Case closed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            The case against hate is never closed Samurai and the bell of Liberty will ring for gays also.

          • http://naver samurai

            They may have the same rights as are stated in the Constitution ed-duh, but that does not make their lifestyle morally acceptable by this great nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            And they did it with out bragging about the fact that they were sick and with out trying to force their sickness on eveyone else or trying to force normal people to agree with them about thier sickness.
            Doc Sarvis it’s sad but it looks like all your assocating with them must have rubbed off on you and they were not even out of the closet and trying to force their sickness on everyone! Sorry for you and your family, and now you know why all your friends dropped you!

        • jyrine

          That’s the way it was in the war I fought in.

        • Bruce Eyster

          Remeber that the person you would be fighting next to , is armed , as well and may be supirior to you , in terms of self defense . What you are saying is that you are a traitor , a coward and afraid of your own latent homsexuality !

          • http://naver samurai

            Same old arguement! Can’t you libs do anything but lie, rhetoric, and innuendo? If you are a Christian, you know that accepting homosexuality is just as sinful as actually doing it. Read Romans 1 starting with verse 24 and be awakened. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            careful Brucie your sickness is showing!!!!

        • Karolyn

          Oh, yeah, big tough man! If a gay was fighting by your side, you would kills him. Right! They can wage war just as well as anyone else. After all, they are still men! YOU’RE the sicko in this scenario.

          • DC/Tex

            Karolyn=lickidy split

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Karolyn, did you escape from Dyke land or do they let you out once in a while!

        • Jay

          LIP, you rob yourself of credibility when while you condemn a homosexual, you reveal yourself to be a murderer. “As a man thinketh, so is he”.

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Jay, sad but sometimes you have to eradicate a illness for the good of mankind! But you would probably be safe in the closet! Maybe!!

          • Jay

            Eradicate? I’m sure you would have fit in well with Hitler and his gang!

          • http://naver samurai

            That was a different. That was genocide. Sometimes to eradicate something, you can have something change without the use of force or threaten the lives of those involved. If you could get them to change their ways voluntarily, then there would be not deaths or bloodshed. Sounds good to you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD eh Rob? They are not a couple, but an abomination, nothing else. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Bruce Eyster

          Samuri : Whose God and whose country are you reffering to ?

          • http://naver samurai

            First of all learn to spell. It is spelled samurai. Second, I’m referring to the United States, where the overwhelming majority does not support you queer lifestyle. Third, the God I am referring to is the God of our fathers and our nation’s forefathers. You know, the one talked about in church, the Bible, and by Christians? The rights He has given us under the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution say it all for this country. We were founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, Biblical Law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments, our laws founded on the 10 Commandments (If you don’t know that one, you know nothing of our founding.), and a deep, rich belief in nature and Nature’s God. Stop with the what country and what God nonsense. Anyone that would ask that question is nothing more than a coward, traitor, and should leave this country with a quickness. Enough said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DC/Tex

            Brucie=chapped lips

          • http://naver samurai

            Now that was messed up DC/TEX. Funny, but messed up. I guess Bruce is the butt of a few jokes. No butts about it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Everyones, but some of you sicko’s don’t understand that! But when the fire starts licking your bottoms you will get the message!

        • Jibbs

          I agree 100%

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Rayma Dorsa

        It’s plain to see you do not recognize MORALS that is the same thing that helped bring on the the destruction of Soduom & Gamorah and the Bible says will be in the last days,If your son or daughter went into the service and being “hasseled” and became a “gay” you would feel different,I let 2 sons go in, in “safe”times and they came out fine,but today,my son just retired after 32 years,says he would not go into it today,as it is out of hand.Besides,there would go any grand children you might have…

        • Robert Smith

          This is America Rayma. I don’t have to believe your bible babble.

          I see your religion like some see a gay’s body parts. If you show it off in public you should go to jail and if you try to shove your religion down my kid’s throat the full extent of the law should be brought to bare.

          Rob

          • Greg

            …and if you shove your uncivilized morality in our faces you should suffer the same.

          • http://naver samurai

            Ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights. I guess you don’t believe in what our 1st Amendment says about freedom of religion and speech? “…nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech…”, you don’t remember that? Sheesh, things don’t go your way, you threaten people with jail, personal attacks, and violence. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound very soon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            Samurai, I bet rob is cursing the day he used that line in his posts. :) it seems to be biting him back…. :)

          • eddie47d

            Personal attacks are everywhere and not just from Robert.

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s true Libertytrain. Ed, I must also agree that not all the personal attcks are coming from Rob. But he does his fair share of them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DC/Tex

            Well Robbie I guess you would rather have a homosexual shoved down your child’s throat, and that would be literal.

        • Bruce Eyster

          Rayma Dorsa : So YOU are the self appointed authority on “MORALS?”

          • http://naver samurai

            Knock off the nonsense. He is stating about the morals of this country as are handed down by God himself. You and your ilk neeeeed to take a powder somewhere and get lost. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Patriot II

        Robert; If you are not a Christian there is no Problem. Probably the same with many other Religions as well, Jews, Mormans, Muslums etc.

        If you are a Christian it is clearly stated that Homosexuality is sin.

        So from your point of View, there would be no Problem, I guess

        • Robert Smith

          Since America has no state religion keep your christanity to yourself.

          No problem.

          Rob

          • Patriot II

            Keep your Opinion to yourself you Hypocrit!

          • http://naver samurai

            There may not be a state religion, but by the way God is mentioned in every state Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and how Jesus and references back to the Declaration of Independence are embedded in our Constitution, it is hard for you to keep a lie like that going, isn’t it you wacko?

            “The United States in Congress assembled…recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States…a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

            “Congress passed this resolution” “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”

            Both are U.S. Congress 1782

            “By Law the United States Congress adds to U.S. coinage: In God We Trust.”

            U.S. Congress 1864

            Sheesh, stop with the lies.

            http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/a-christian-nation

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • FWO21

            There is no national language so one day there will be a babble of tongues and no one will understand what anybody is saying.

            I have heard enough about this homo c**p. Just let them have there way on everything because that is where it is going to end up anyway and when Jesus returns,they/we will then know if we lived the right kind of life. Either we will get taken or left behind. Can’t be both ways.

          • http://naver samurai

            I understand what you say FWO21, but I’m not ready to give up the good fight yet. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Joe H

        Gee bobbie, you won’t get acorns that way!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Ha, ha, ha, ha! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        It’s a sick thought against nature and if the whole world believed that and did that, people who think like you would soon be gone and that is the only good thought about that! That sick Union puts children in danger since they will be taught that men with men is normal and women with women is normal and men with women and women with men is abnormal. And it’s even worst to let those same sex couples get a baby because a babies mind is a blank slate when born and they learn what they are taught! These sick people want to force everyone to have to believe and agree that their sick thoughts are right and normal even though they are not. If they were willing to keep their sickness just among themselves and in private instead of parading it around in public trying to force their sickness on everyone else! We have more than enough S T D’s in this world from normal couples and don’t need the same sex added to the mix!

    • Bus

      Ex Post Facto works both ways.

  • rannan3

    Here we go — the old ” camel nose under the tent ” effect .
    Did anyone actually believe repealing DADT would be the end of what the Gay community wanted ? I sure didn’t !
    What’s next — reparation for past infringements of their rights ?

    And why not ? We’re paying black Southern farmers, even those who never farmed.

    This will never end, it will be one issue after another. IF I were a veteran I would be waiting for a lawsuit to be filed against me , for slights or ‘perceived’ grievances from 30 years ago, because it’s coming !

    • Martha Benton

      What I want to know is why the minorities of our country have the say-so? I don’t care what cause they are…they tell the majority what, when, and how the country is going to be run. I am sick of it. When is the MAJORITY going to ban together, start bringing lawsuits for injustice, and TAKE BACK America?

      • Doc Sarvis

        So you say the majority should have rights and privilages that minorities are not allowed to have?

        • Joyce from Loris

          Doc, don’t know how you came to that conclusion. There are laws in our nation that are NOT for everyone. There are laws (Civil Right Laws) for certain groups that do not cover everyone. There are hate crime laws that cover everyone except white people (Eric Holder has said that white people have not suffered enough yet to claim discrimination). As long as we have laws for this group, laws for that group, we will have a mess. Our laws should be for EVERYONE, period.

          • eddie47d

            Then you will agree that “laws are for everyone” and gays should be allowed to marry and be equal. That would be very simple to allow and the inequality that exists now would be corrected.

          • James in NY

            “Our laws should be for EVERYONE, period”. I agree 100% Joyce. And as such Congress finally repealed DADT. On the grounds that laws should be for everyone, DOMA should be challenged as well.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer ed-duh! They may have the same rights under the Constitution, but they have more protection under the law. If they attack someone because of religious beliefs or being heterosexual, they are not given an extra hate crime charge. If a heterosexual attacks someone for being gay, they get the hate crime charge added onto their sentence. Why should the gays serve 5 – 10 years less? Marry and be equal? Something that is immoral and unnatural can never be equal with how things were created by God. Marriage is one man and one woman, period. No exceptions. You being a Christian should know this. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • ChristyK

            The laws on marraige are equal. Any unmarried man may marry any unmarried woman. Marraige has been between a man and a woman since the beginning of time. A man and a man is not marraige. A woman and a woman is not marraige. If a man and man gets special priveledges then living together couples will have to be given special privledges. Any other type of sexual combination will have to be given special privledges. If you compromise marraige in anyway, changing it’s definition, then consistency requires every sexual relationshiop to be acknowledges. We definitely don’t want to go there.

          • Karolyn

            Christy says: “Marraige has been between a man and a woman since the beginning of time.” The beginning of time? And exactly when was that? You know this how?

          • http://naver samurai

            Stop being ignorant Karolyn. The beginning of time for humans was Adam and Eve, one man and one woman. Neeeeed to get off of the kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Good posts Joyce and Christy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            The beginning of time for Christians is 6,000 years ago and that is fine. The beginning of time for the earth and the world is many millions of years. Is there someone more powerful than me out there that created it all? Absolutely and the Bible can be an excellent road map to everything in life.

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – Adam & Eve is a myth, but I can accept your believing it.

          • Joe H

            karolyn,
            and so is your spaceship!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            It’s not a myth if it comes from the Bible. Neeeeed to get off of that white powdery substance you have been doing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Joe – You doubt there is other intelligent life in this Universe?

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – It must be nice to have a book written by fallible men to refer to without having to give actual proof of any of your assertions. “Hey, the Bible says so!”

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            I. AM. YOUR. SPACESHIP. COMMANDER. YOU. WILL. ARGUE. CHRISTIANS. ALSO. PACK. YOUR. BAGS. WE. WILL. PICK. YOU. UP. WEDNESDAY…

          • http://naver samurai

            Come on Karolyn. I know you can respond better then that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Patriot II

          Doc:

          Right! Majorty Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!

          You finally get it!!

      • Lost in Paradise

        WHen we get all the civil rights laws repealed for good. These laws have brought this country to its knees.

      • Patriot II

        Martha; Right! As far as I know the Majority in State after State has rejected Same Sex Marriages. So why is the Majority denied.. Time we told the Minories to Shut Up!. It is time we speak out like you and I are doing right now!!

        We don’t elect people from the minority Vote do we? What is good for the goose is good for the Gander right?

      • Bruce Eyster

        A Martha Benton : How do you know who the majority is and what they are doing in thier bedrooms ?

        • http://naver samurai

          What kind of ignorant drivil is this? If you don’t know the majority in this nation being heterosexuals and Christians, then you are lost is space somewhere. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H

            samurai,
            did you see where a muslim group is trying to force a Catholic, private college to remove their crucifixes from their hallways?? the school accomidated the muslim students by letting them attend and the way they thank them is to sue them. By federal laws, being a Catholic private school, they don’t even have to let the muslim students attend as they recieve no federal funding what so ever!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes I did and it pissed me off. If they don’t like living in a Christian founded nation, then they can go back to where they came from. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Bruce Eyster

        Martha : This country is made up of and by minorities !

        • DC/Tex

          Brucie, go get a chapstick and go back and pull another suction

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        Answer, when we vote all the trash in office now and replace them with normal thinking people who know the difference between right and wrong and normal and abnormal and we start with that closet Muslim in the White House,next in line that crazy Racist Attorney General Eric Holder, all the Obama Czars, everyone he has appointed to anything [ that can be removed]and get rid of all those Ba*l Less Joints Chiefs of Staff.

  • Patriot II

    All of our Militray Enemies are Laughing at us. Homsexuality is against Gods Will Period! One side of the line in the sand is where I am. They are on the other side.

    • Doc Sarvis

      If they are laughing at us it is because we make such a big deal out of a non-issue. God’s will is for people to love and care for each other.

      • Monte

        “God’s will is for people to love and care for each other” Each other, yes. Evil, no. God says homosexuality is an abomination. It is evil. It is the work of Satan, the enemy of God. We are NOT to love or accept evil.

        • Robert Smith

          Monty says: “God says homosexuality is an abomination.”

          So is eating a cheeseburger. Why aren’t you picketing McDonald’s?

          Rob

          • Lost in Paradise

            No! Dumbass, GOD says it is an abomination. And how does eating a Mcdonalds hamburger compare to having a pecker stuck up your butt? I guess you would prefer the latter. LMAO

          • Mel

            Where in the Bible did you see “Cheeseburger”?

          • eddie47d

            Robert was trying to make a point about cheeseburgers being fattening,greasy and unhealthy which would make them an abomination although I think he could have chosen a much better example.

          • http://naver samurai

            SSDD eh Rob? Instead of always saying the over used cheeseburger, why don’t you talk about Leviticus 20:13 or Romans Chapter 1 vs 24 – 32? The cheeseburger is getting to be old, OK? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Greg

            I looked this one up. Rob, where did you see cheeseburger in the Bible?

        • Lost in Paradise

          There ya go! The truth be told. I can handle it, but I bet many cannot.

        • http://naver samurai

          If someone encourages another to sin or we accept their sin (like saying they are gay, but that’s OK), the person is just as guilty of the sin as the person actually doing it. Both will be in danger of fire and brimstone. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            I just don’t get it. Why does it bother you so much what somebody else does? It is their life, and they’re not hurting you.

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn, you just don’t get it do you? If something is attacking the morals, ethics, and beliefs this country was founded on, it does affect me as a patriot and Christian. It affects me when the state of Mexifornia says students must take classes in gay history, though it may be against their beliefs (Violation of the 1st Amendment). I affects me when these fairy nice people always throw their perverse lifestyle in my face, my wife’s face, and when they send hate mails to our pastor for preaching against them. These are just some simple examples for you obviously simple mind to comprehend. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            I don’t believe I will go to hell for accepting a gay co -worker or someone who’s in the military. God loves everyone even the gays and I will not hate them or slander them or do them harm. If God chooses to send gays to hell then the gays will have to carry that burden. While on earth they are as equal as the next man in the trench or work room.

          • http://naver samurai

            Read Romans 1 starting with verse 24 ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lost in Paradise

        Doc Sarvass, if they are laughing at us, it is because we are giving into demands of a bunch of poop packers, and Pie lickers.

      • Patriot II

        Doc, it is NOT an Non-Issue in the view of the Majority

        • Doc Sarvis

          Sure it is. Most people don’t have a problem with homosexuals in the military.

          • Greg

            WRONG AGAIN DOC!!! The majority do have a problem with homosexuals in the military.

          • Patriot II

            Doc: Most people are afraid to speak up, they are being nice and “tolerant” therefore you just think they are on your side, Not True!……That is exactly why “Tolerance” is Bad, because when they are tolerant, you think they agree with you because they are not speaking up.

            States have Voted over and over again against Gay Marrianges where have you been? That is true, you can’t ignore the facts!

            Hate the “Sin” Not the sinner. To explain, that means The gay person is not to be hated but informed of the sin that is in him. Of course if he is not a Christian. Muslum, Mormon, Muslim, etc. then he does not beleive it is sin, but nevertheless the Majority in this country ARE against Homosexuality, beleive it is wrong in several ways, Religion AND Nature both, makes no sense, and if tolerated it grows and ,in my opinion,is a cancer on a decent moral Society.

          • Karolyn

            Care to back up that assertion? Got any stats?

          • http://naver samurai

            Since niether you nor Karolyn had the nads to serve, you both have no idea of what you are talking about. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        Doc, you might want to rethink that! No where does it say we have to love or honor their sickness or their sick acts! Sorry if that steps on your toes, but ifall of you went back in the closet you would be exempt from having to be pointed out as sick and abnormal and a danger to children and adults alike and having to put in your place!

  • Monte

    Queers should NEVER have been allowed out of the closet. What they do in their privacy is between God and them. They flew in the face of popular opinion and adopted a perverted lifestyle in full knowlege of the repercussions. And now they want to force their decision on everyone else, as though others had someting to do with their perverted decison. Their entire perverted agenda is wrong, immoral, evil and pathetic. They want acceptance of something that is a flagrant mockery of nature itself. Shameful and disgraceful!

    • Lost in Paradise

      Also a mockery of every normal person on the planet.

      • James in NY

        Monte and Lost in Paradise – 2 ABNORMAL and hateful people if there were any.

        • http://naver samurai

          Why is it that if someone doesn’t agree with your perceptions of the gays you automatically call them a bigot or hateful? Neeeeed to look in the mirror before calling someone else hateful. I don’t like terrorists either, but does that make me hateful? I don’t like thieves and other dregs of society, but does that make me hateful? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Patriot II

            Samurai: Good reply to him, could not have said it better!

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – You do the same thing.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Karolyn. The only thing is I don’t like the lifestyle, their agenda, and it being an abomination in the eyes of God. I suggest you look in the mirror and do a quick self evaluation. You may be surprised at the nonsense you find out about yourself. My path is straight, narrow and clear of anything (Counting mines), so what is your point? You sound like a bleeding heart. They are nothing but cowards and traitors, especially one of your ilk named Jane Fonda. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            You are over the top on that one Samurai and yes you do get carried away. I do too on occasion.

          • http://naver samurai

            Maybe, maybe. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H

            samurai,
            you have to understand, that answer doesn’t fit in karolyns spaceship theory!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Ha, ha, ha, ha! You’re cracking me up today, fellow patriot! Keep up the good fight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • DC/Tex

          James in NY will suck until your head caves in

          • joe H.

            DC/Tex,
            come on! that comment was a bit of a low blow!!!

  • http://naver samurai

    I have friends that are still serving who say that a group of about 2000 chaplains have banded together and said they will not perform same sex unions or marriages, no matter what Obama bin Laden tells them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Doc Sarvis

      I’d like to see the facts on that allegation.

      • Lost in Paradise

        What would you do,go to the aclu, and start 2000 law suits?

      • Patriot II

        Oh, you are interesated in Facts now? If you want facts start watching Fox News and Ignoring the Communist/marxist/liberal Media.

        You will get the facts with out the Lying Spin.

      • http://naver samurai

        Doc, didn’t anyone ever tell you that allegation is usually used when a person or group is either accused of or may have committed a crime? What crime did they commit? Anything for the destruction of this country and our Christian founding. Bunch of moronic left wing extremists on this site. Remember also that Herman Gerhing was agy also. So wasn’t he one of or associated with one of the biggest killers in world history? I guess gays have been killing heterosexuals. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Doc Sarvis

          From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegation

          1: the act of alleging
          2: a positive assertion; specifically : a statement by a party to a legal action of what the party undertakes to prove
          3: an assertion unsupported and by implication regarded as unsupportable

          #2 fits your position, #s 1 AND 3 fit mine.

          Think before you type.

    • James in NY

      Chaplains cannot be forced to marry anyone. Catholic chaplains do not have to marry Jewish soldiers, etc. This will not change once DOMA id repealed.

      • Patriot II

        James, That attitude is how we got here. 40 years ago we wouldn’t have though we’d even be talking about this either. You just keep fooling your self.

      • http://naver samurai

        DOMA will not be repealled. Why do you fairy nice fellows always want to get rid of things that are moral and support things that way God intended it? You are a disgrace to this nation and have no honor at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Joe H

          samurai,
          I think I can answer that as far as james. He wants to marry his GOOD BUDDY!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            You mean Barney Franks? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Joyce from Loris

      I read an article on the internet about that. Good for them.

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you for this post, but I can’t remember what site I saw it. If I find it, I’ll post it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Doc Sarvis

          “Forgot”; how convienient.

          • http://naver samurai

            Still looking Doc. Unlike you that never bothers to look up anything at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H

            HOW TRUE!!

  • Horva

    Whats next…My dog is hot. I want to marry the bitch.

    • Robert Smith

      How old is your dog?

      Can it give consent legally?

      Otherwise it’s rape.

      Rob

      • Lost in Paradise

        Horva and Rob shut up! You will give them more ideas. LMAO

        • Patriot II

          I am Laughing Out Loud!!

          • http://naver samurai

            They both must be smoking weed. Well, looks like these 2 are going to be the butts of some jokes. Really. No butts about it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Joe H

            No, that’s the problem there ARE butts about it!!

  • http://cox mark fleming

    its a shame that America has to honor this type of life style since its against what GOD says in his word, he says it the finial decay of human life style, this will never stop because Satan will not let it until Jesus comes back and send them all to where they belong.

    • Patriot II

      mark:

      Right!

    • http://naver samurai

      Well said, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Karolyn

      God has nothing to do with it except that we were all created by Him/Her/It, and He/She/It loves us no matter what we do otherwise we would not have been created imperfect. God is love, and if there were more love in this world rather than judgment and hate, it would be a much better place.

      • http://naver samurai

        You are part right Karolyn, but you forget that God hates sin. Since being gay is a sin, God hates the lifestyle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • s c

    We’re witnessing a cultural implosion. What happened to ancient Greece and Old Rome is happening here. Gays in the military are discovering that they have no chance to get what they want without appealing to politicians. In effect, gays represent a special interest group that is dependent on SOBs whose sole ability makes life worse.
    I’m not offering any potential solutions, folks. I am, however, saying that this does make a case for the idea that politicians are more trouble than they’re worth. Politicians are akin to relatives that you can’t stand to be around.
    You can pick and choose your friends, but you’re screwed when it comes to ‘those relatives who drive you crazy.’ I think it’s almost time for societies to collapse so we can start all over again. Gays, “welcome to the club.” O, for a system that makes it impossible for a politician to exist. What a world.

    • James in NY

      I guess you yearn for the gold old days of the Dark Ages.

      • eddie47d

        Will SC be burning Christians,Jews or gays at the stake.LOST will provide the matches.

      • Patriot II

        James, we yearn for the good old days you are right, but not the Dark Ages, Just the years of the days of the founding Fathers of this country who would be turning over in their graves to see how we have turned into Sodom and Gomorra!

        • http://naver samurai

          I agree with you, fellow patriot. Here James and ed-duh say they are Christian, but go against what is said in the Bible. I still remember reading in a very old book, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” I guess they must have skipped that part. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • James in NY

            I read “Love one another as I have loved you” as well as the 2nd greatest commandment which is “Love your neighbor as yourself”. And let’s not forget for all of those on this site who love to play God, “Judge not lest you be judged”. I also know the Constitution of the US and as such don’t force my religious views on others.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sticks and stones, James. Sticks and stones. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. If you know the Constitution so well, show me an amendment that covers behavior. I won’t hold my breath as it is not there.

          • eddie47d

            So now were back to the ed duh crap? Right Samurai? Take 2 aspirins and go to bed.

          • http://naver samurai

            No sleeping on my watch. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lost in Paradise

        Actually James I believe we have already returned to the dark ages in modern times.

  • Doc Sarvis
    • Lost in Paradise

      How about it DOC do you want help?

    • eddie47d

      Is LOST the schoolmarm in the video. One thing for sure there is no one here who could come close to playing Jesus. I don’t believe hate was part of His creed.

    • http://naver samurai

      “There is no gay gene.”

      American Psychological Association 2008

      The commercial you have shown was really moronic and below the level of intelligent people to watch. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Greg

      How old are you Doc? Anybody puts anything on “Youtube.”

      • Karolyn

        Oh, but if it supports view it’s gospel.

        • http://naver samurai

          Since you are so much into the gays, would you support Herman Ghering? Hitler’s commander of the Luftwaffe? He was gay and responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, maybe millions. If you support all gays, you have to support them all. No exceptions! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Sheldon

            Samurai? Learn how to spell, it’s Hermann Goering. There is documentation that Herr Goering was married twice, how do you know differently? (Did you guys date?)

            Your comment “If you support all gays, you have to support them all. No exceptions!” is an interesting supposition. Therefore, the statement, if you support the Bible, you have to support every passage. NO EXCEPTIONS.
            So I have to ask you, would you eat at Red Lobster? The reason I ask is that you are forbidden by Leviticus 11:10 from eating shellfish. Would you risk eating a steak cooked at Red Lobster, knowing it may have brushed against an unholy shrimp or do you just avoid that restaurant altogether? I’m curious, do you send your wife away for seven days or do you just avoid touching her during the daytime as instructed by Leviticus 15:19? I’m also curious if your wife has a preference regarding Leviticus 15:28? What is it, turtles or pigeons? That must get expensive after a while! Samurai, how long is your hair and your beard? You sound like an older gentleman and since Leviticus 19:27 FORBIDS you from trimming your hair and your beard, you must be pretty shaggy by now.
            Therefore Samurai, you better be a long haired man, with a long, long beard who shuns his wife for seven days a month… or you are a raving hypocrite. Like you said, if you support one passage of the Bible, you have to support them all.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sheldon, first you are wrong about Goering. Neeeeed to read more books about him instead of lying. Second, way to post your drivil after everyone has gone. Lack of cajones. Third, let’s look at the misinterpretations of the Bible that you have posted. Leviticus 15:19 states that when a woman is on her monthly, she shall not have sex with anyone. If someone does have sex with her, then he too is unclean in body and spirit. If a man does do these things with her during said time, he is to wash his clothes and bathe and will be considered unclean till her time passes. Leviticus 19:27 states about a man shaving and cutting his hair. To mar the corners of your beard would mean to have some faddish style, same with the hair cutting. Also, it is either two doves or two turles. One for a sin offering and one as a burned offering to God. Sorry dude, but since Jesus was born, we no longer have to have a sacrifice for Jesus sacrificed himself for all our sins. Remember also that the Old Testiment dealt with the Jewish diet, dress, and grooming, but we Christians are not subject to such matters. BTW, it never specifically said shellfish. I couldn’t find the word shellfish anywhere in Leviticus. Neeeeed to take your less intelligent atheist backside and go home till you grow up and learn before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • eddie47d

          Your immagination is running wild tonight. Hitler hated gays and rounded them up just like the Jews.

          • http://naver samurai

            Then why didn’t he get Ghering and other members of his staff? Is there a double standard here or did he just round up gays that weren’t Germans? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            I don’t know and Hitler also had Jews in his cabinet whom he used.

        • Karolyn

          Samurai – Sounds like you’re getting desperate. If I ever heard a ridiculous remark, it was that one. People are people. Have there never beed evil Christians? I think soooooo.

          • Joe H.

            Just no evil space aliens, right karolyn?

          • http://naver samurai

            If they do evil acts, then they are not Christians or maybe just a CINO (Christian in name only). However, you are a human being in name only. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – Now you’re starting to sound like an 8-year-old.

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually, I’m a man that was wounded in action twice protecting your sorry backside. I just have to go down to your level in order to answer you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Lost in Paradise

    So Doc Sarvassss sees a video and believe it is the way it should be. That video was made as a propaganda tool like many things in this country, and also in our education system. Most of us call it blowing sunshine up your butt. Nice try DOC but a queer is still a queer, and has a mental disease that makes him or her that way. That has been proven, and some have been returning to normal, after getting help. However they must first want to be helped.

    • James in NY

      A majority of the people who psot here have a mental disease – it is called hatred.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Amen to that James.

      • http://naver samurai

        Just because someone doesn’t like the gay agenda or their actions does not mean they are hateful. Here is an interesting article about how gays can change back to being normal.

        http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=36412

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lost in Paradise

        THing is dimwit, I do not like having things like this shoved down my throat,no more than a monster of a health bill that in reality is a Trojan Horse. Essentially that is what the minorities are doing in this country, because of some silly civil rights laws. Now we have some goon in the White House who thinks he can do the same, because he is a minority.

  • Jeffrey A. Williams

    Too much reform in all branches of the military regarding Gay’s serving has been allowed IMHO. Our founding fathers NEVER allowed for such service and it should have never been allowed. That said, we are now facing a real problem given that the original intent of our founding documents has been thwarted to a very great degree in this area, we need to slowly correct those errors. This could be accomplished be having a moratorium on enlistment of gay’s into military service or civil service and to honor those that are or have previously served in accordance with that service. Eventually this weeding out of gays in the military will solve the current problems with that service while still honoring those that have served to the extent of such service. I am sure that many gay people will strongly disagree with this suggestion but it provides for a compromise that both solves the perceived existing problem and honors gays that have served adequately.

    • James in NY

      What is the “perceived existing problem”? The founding fathers never talked about gays in the military. The government wrongly stepped in to ban gay service members in violation of the founding fathers’ principles. DADT was then imposed as a compromise but was just a temporary solution. The flaws of DADT quickly were evident. The fact a 25 year service member could be discharged because it was learned he or she had a same sex partner art home was clearly wrong and in violation of what the founding fathers intended.

      • http://naver samurai

        Are you willing to back up that lie? Here is an excerpt from one of Washingtons many notes while commanding the American Armies:

        March 14, 1778 – “At a general courts martial whereof Colonel Tupper was president (10 March 1778) Lt. Enslin of Colonel Malcom’s regiment was tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, for perjury in swearing to false accounts. He was found guilty of the charges exhibited against him. Being breaches of the 5th. Article 18. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismissed from the service with infamy. His excellency, the Commander and Chief approves the sentence and with abhorrence and destestation of such infamous crimes orders Lt. Enslin to be drummed out of the camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the army never to return; the drummers and fifers are to attend on the Grand Parade at guard mounting for that purpose.”

        You seem to be wrong on this account as Washington was a founder. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post.

        “You can’t handle the truth.” A Few Good Men.

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        What? No response from James? I guess I’ll have to listen to those darn crickets again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • DC/Tex

          James is busy with his chapstick.

  • Sirian

    This is an issue that I knew would weasel its way out of the “penalty box”. Being it as it may, I unfortunately know that at one point or another, in the not so distant future, there is going to be a violent incident take place amongst the ranks and the proud flaunting gays will be on the receiving end. Anyone with at least a lick of sense should know this will occur. Even more so, this is exactly what they want to happen so they will then have more “legal ammo” to use in the courts. In the end it will become more of a cancer on our military than the idiots in Washington are willing to admit. They don’t know? Of course they know!! Do they care? Obviously not!! Stand back folks, the rough water is heading towards us faster than we see.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Our military has continued its stellar performance since the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. In fact, since the repeal they have even eliminated some very high terrorist targets. This policy seems to have had either no harm to their perfomance or even enhanced it.

    • http://naver samurai

      Just wait. Wait till they (gays) start leaving in droves. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Doc Sarvis

        That’s right… You just wait. oooooooo- they will run.

        Well they have not run in our history. Our military is the best in the world and heterosexual or homosexual soldiers are professional soldiers. You disgrace the military to imply that our soldiers don’t have the discipline to be an effective fighting force.

        • http://naver samurai

          Reading comprehension “0″, Doc. I don’t soubt our military’s fighting prowess, but the effectiveness and belief of gays in the military. Look at the post I gave to Karolyn above. They were very much against it in those days also. Are you also saying that Washington was a biggot or a traitor? Since you can’t back up anything by showing what gays have done for our military, I won’t hold my breath for a factual answer. If you want to talk about gays being in the military, look no farther than Herman Ghering. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            I’ll have to find that post again about the gay soldier who died in the mideast. You must have missed it the last time I posted it; or were you the one who denigrated him? I know someone did, even though he died for our country.

          • http://naver samurai

            As you were, Karolyn. I did read it and posted an answer to you. I said that if a soldier dies on the battlefield, they have my respect. However, they went and made a big deal about him being gay. That is what dishonored him and the message being sent home. They should have said a soldier died and not a gay one. Why does his unnatural perverted lifestyle have to move to center stage? Since they make such a big deal about his queer lifestyle, they dishonor him, his family, his unit, the country, the army as a whole, and every single person that died for this country before him. Think about that for awhile, if you can think at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Well, samurai, if it was not ever pointed out that gays die in the military, then people like you would say it isn’t true, and they are lousy soldiers. You just don’t get it. They are struggling for acceptance. You don’t have to do that, so you don’t understand.

          • http://naver samurai

            So are petifiles and bisexuals, but you don’t see them throwing their lifestyle in our faces all the time. If they want to be accepted, then have them all become heterosexual again. There is a post from the bp news I’ve posted. Maybe they can get help from them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Buck

    Pandoras box is a bottomless pit , much like hell . Wait a few years and see the health costs in the military soar due to aids and other sexually transmitted diseases . There will be very little money left for national defence , the real purpose of the military , not social experimentation . Lets face it . Anal sex is a lot more unsanitary than normal sex .

    • Doc Sarvis

      So you are another one who does not respect the professionalism and discipline of our fighting forces.

      As for anal sex, that is not an act restricted to the homosexual population.

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD eh Doc? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • FreedomFighter

    “Marry and be equal? Something that is immoral and unnatural can never be equal with how things were created by God. Marriage is one man and one woman, period. No exceptions. You being a Christian should know this. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!”

    I feel sorry for these people, rejected by God for what they do, society not letting them fake a marriage for so long, fake having a family, being in fake relationships.

    The problem is for them is that such unnatural relationships will never be accepted by God, only at best tolerated by Christians, never to be accepted by any real church.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • jim

    I think it’s time to ask all those gays to leave the military!

    • James in NY

      And why is that – because you say so? I have several gay friends currently serving this country and protecting your freedoms there jimbo. You disrespect their sacrifice.

      • http://naver samurai

        You’re full of it James. I’ll bet I have way more friend currently serving and I’ll bet their opinions about queers in the military are vastly different then yours. At least they, as well as myself, have the honor to serve, what about you? Couldn’t get your pink polka dot panties approved by the military? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • eddie47d

        I had “friends” in the military that bad mouthed blacks and Mexican Americans too. I dumped those friends.

        • Joe H.

          eddie,
          and yet you will denegrate and cut AMERICANS without the hyphen that have served!

  • Bruce Eyster

    Pariotii : Your interrpretation of the Christian Bible is way off , No where does it state that homosexuality is a ” sin!”

    • Peter

      Sorry Bruce, the Christian Bible most definitely says that homosexuality is a sin, in both the old testament (Exodus) and the new (Romans). Are you blind or a fool…or both?

      • http://naver samurai

        Don’t forget Leviticus, 1st Corinthians, 1st Timothy, and Jude. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        I have seen different interpretations but don’t have time right now to get into it. Maybe tomorrow. And, anyway, the Bible is really just a book, written by man.

        • Joe H.

          karolyn,
          and your spaceship, if it exists was built by aliens!! karolyn you either believe in God in his ENTIRETY or not at all. In your case I would say not at all!!

          • Karolyn

            It’s really sad to see people with such narrow views.

          • http://naver samurai

            Such as yourself Karolyn? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          OMG her brains have been fried by kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Dee

    Homosexuality is a perverted life style and an abomination.
    Give those queers an inch and they want a mile.
    They should NEVER have undone the ban on queers in the militry.

  • Bruce Eyster

    Perhaps there is a TRUTH in all the religions and Bibles BUT unless you are are of the BaHai Faith ,there are no writings in any of these books by the central figure . You weren’t there and all of your interrpretations are really biased and built on heresay ! Belief does NOT mean that you know are even qualified to correctly interrpret these writings !

    • http://naver samurai

      Hey Bruce, check this out.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D529HBoHW1c&feature=related

      Watch and be awakened. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Also, watch this one.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qre8bfz4drA&feature=related

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • eddie47d

          There are no references to accepting homosexual lifestyles in the Bible because those who wrote it either didn’t know much about it or didn’t accept it them self. That is true about any book ever written by anybody. The author or authors gets their views and only their views printed. There are also a few Books of the Bible that were left out and never printed. .

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Hate to pop your balloon, but the Bible was written by men, yes, but with devine guidence.

          • Peter

            Eddie, if you would like to read the books that were ‘never printed’, they are called ‘The Apocrypha’ and are readily available in any good Christian bookstore. Or say hi to your nearest Catholic, they include all those books in their Bible.
            I’m not a Catholic, but I remember reading the extra books as a child because my father bought a set.
            Avail yourself of the facts before speaking blindly my friend.

          • http://naver samurai

            You talk that way about the Bible, but say you are a Christian? I don’t think so. I think you are a CINO at best. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY

            P.S. Read Colossians 3 verse 5 it mentions gays by calling it “inordinate affection”. Lose again there, bub.

  • Peter

    There are a couple of defining principles at play here.
    The first is that biologically it is impossible for any homosexual relationship to produce offspring, which is the total reason for human copulation. Every act of homosexuality whether between humans or in nature is biologically recognized as an aberration, and within nature animals who practice homosexuality simply die out because they cannot reproduce themselves. Natural selection, pure and simple.
    The second principle is more sinister. It is a sad fact that homosexual humans have indeed suffered repression historically, which I believe to be nothing more than the human representation of the practice of natural selection, (that does NOT mean I personally condone violence toward gays). The simple truth is that as homosexuals have gained prominence in their political and social rage against heterosexual people, they have in fact become far more militant, bigoted and derogatory toward all who dare to criticize them, such that nobody in public life will dare speak openly to challenge anything the homosexual lobby demand whether right or wrong, they simply bow to all demands so they can be seen to be doing the politically correct thing. It appears homosexuals can physically attack, harass, hinder and confront any person they think doesn’t agree with them, and the law defines it as ‘simply reacting to many years of oppression’, rather than recognizing it for what it is, acts of violence that are socially fueled. Many on these pages either oppose or defend the protesters of the OWS movement where a similar sort of social rage is evident, but these protesters are feeling the full force of the law in many cases. I put it to you all that if it was a homosexual protest this would simply not happen for fear of the police or the government being labelled ‘violent toward gays’.
    This open approval and indeed promotion of homosexuality as ‘normal’ is unfortunately where many of the ancient civilizations failed. It was not the only reason their empires failed, but sexual licentiousness was a major factor in their downfall.
    “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

    • http://naver samurai

      Well said! Well said! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jay

    To all the Christians posting on this thread; who claim to represent a loving God, who came in the flesh to offer himself as a sacrifice for us all, who commanded us to love our enemies, and who commanded us to treat everyone with respect, why are you doing the opposite of that which was commanded? If you do not approve of the lifestyle, then simply say so, and if it all possible, do so without menacingly swinging your machetes in the air, as such behaviour will make you appear as nothing more then raving lunatics, and not, children of God!

    • Karolyn

      Thank you once again Jay.

    • joe H.

      Part of what you say is true, a very little part. The Bible says to hate the sin and to inform the sinner of his sin. Therefore you are the cause of our ire by trying to make us accept your perverse lifestyle!

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said and true. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jay

        Jesus also said: How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

        You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

        • http://naver samurai

          Maybe you can take some of your own advice? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jay

            Not exactly advice Samurai, but a diagnoses that plagues us all! How about we let God be the judge, jury, and executioner, maybe even saviour and forgiver?

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