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Gays In Military May Now Admit Sexual Preference

September 21, 2011 by  

Gays In Military May Now Admit Sexual Preference

Tuesday marked an official end to the U.S. military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, opening a new era in which gays are allowed to openly serve in the military.

“Today, the discriminatory law known as ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ is finally and formally repealed. As of today, patriotic Americans in uniform will no longer have to lie about who they are in order to serve the country they love,” said President Barack Obama in a speech. “As of today, our armed forces will no longer lose the extraordinary skills and combat experience of so many gay and lesbian service members. And today, as Commander in Chief, I want those who were discharged under this law to know that your country deeply values your service.”

The President said he was proud to sign the Repeal Act into law last December because he believes that it will enhance national security and increase military readiness.

“Today’s achievement is a tribute to all the patriots who fought and marched for change; to Members of Congress, from both parties, who voted for repeal; to our civilian and military leaders who ensured a smooth transition; and to the professionalism of our men and women in uniform who showed that they were ready to move forward together, as one team, to meet the missions we ask of them,” said Obama.

Former service members separated from the military under “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” based solely on their sexual orientation will be eligible to reapply to return to military service. Gen. Gary S. Patton, chief of staff for the Pentagon’s repeal implementation team, said their applications will be evaluated using the same standards as all other candidates, and decisions will be based on needs of the service.

The Department of Defense (DOD) maintains that nothing will change now that the policy has been officially repealed except that homosexuals may now freely admit sexual preference without fear of discharge.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • FreedomFighter

    I predict the above will turn out to have high negative impact on the armed services of the United States.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Angel Wannabe

      Freedom fighter, Yeah I can see it all now, they’re on the battlefield, and one boyfriend, will cover the ass of the other and forget about the rest,__sayin’, “I’ll save you my love!”___This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!

      My Dad a WWII vet is turning over in his grave!!!!!

      • Karolyn

        YOU are absolutely ridiculous for saying that Angel! Just because someone is gay, he can’t be a brave soldier and back up his unit? Stupid remark as will be most of the responses to this story. A lot of people need to jut grow up and quit acting like kindergartners!

        • kilrntex

          A brave soldier ‘backing up his unit’? That’s exactly what would bother me and the rest of the troops. Don’t bend over boys, you might get driven! Now that we know who they are, I think they should be put on ‘point’ at all times so we can keep their minds off the booty.

          • DaveH

            lol. You really think, kilrntex, that the soldiers who are brave enough to risk their lives on the battlefield are going to worry about being rear-ended?
            No, I think the opposite is more likely. The gays who openly admit their orientation are very much putting their lives on the line.
            Personally, I don’t know why gays would want to divulge their sexual orientation in the military, and I don’t understand why they would want to get legally entangled with a marriage contract. But it’s none of my business what they freely choose to do with their own bodies or property. Nor is it anybody else’s business in a Free society.

          • Karolyn

            Gays have been serving in wars forever and doing a good job. Dave, the reason they wanted to “come out of the closet” is so they could be authentic. They could never talk about their personal lives with anybody, nor could they bring a significant other to any events where other soldiers brought their families, girlfriends and friends. They always had to be looking over their shoulders and watching what they said for fear of being discovered and kicked out of the service. They also could not report sexual assaults. I heard several of them in interviews since yesterday, and these were their main problems. Just because someone is gay does not mean he’s after everything in pants and can’t be a good soldier.

          • DaveH

            “they could not report sexual assaults”?
            You’re going to need to explain that one to me, Karolyn.
            More to the point, I’m talking about something far more important than that, Karolyn. I’m talking about their lives. All the laws in the world don’t prevent determined killers from executing their dirty deeds, especially in war times.
            Surely you’ve heard the story of Pat Tillman?
            http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html

          • Jay

            The phrase, “I got your back”, will from now on have a whole different meaning!

          • http://naver samurai

            Ha, ha, ha, ha! Very funny Jay! I guess there will be more soldiers enlisting into the 69 rump rangers! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Will

            Liberty means you don’t interfere with other people’s happiness if they are not harming you or others… How how is the love/sex of consenting adults harming any of you?

            If its actually your religion that you believe is harmed by gay people, you should look at that religion more closely.

            Liberty is the opposite of theocracy.

            Ron Paul 2012!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Because it is unnatural and against what God has ordained. Is this clear enough for you Will? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • rafael

          ONLY A PERVERT said he was proud to sign the Repeal Act into law last December because he believes that it will enhance national security and increase military readiness.
          YOU GOT TO BE A MUSLIM IDIOT PERVERT TO SAY SO.THIS MUSLIM IDIOT PERVERT IS AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. LORD HAVE MERCY.

          • eddie47d

            Let Freedom ring for all Americans and support the Life,Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness for each and every one of us. If we are truly created as equals then treat your fellow American as an equal. Men,Women,gays,straights and the many colors of the human pigment. We are all different as individuals but equal in law.

          • USAF VET

            The one thing that has driven me nuts for many years is that people don’t even remember what the word Gay actually means. These homosexuals have taken a work and bastardized it into something corrupt. The meaning of the word gay is to be happy-go-lucky, full of fun, to be happy. Homosexuals to the word Gui, which is German for Queer, changed the prounounciation, and said they were gay because they were too ashamed to admit they were homosexual.

          • http://naver samurai

            It is obvious that edduh must have been dropped on his head when he was born. They may have equal protection under the law, but show me anywhere in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or the Articles of Confederation I or II that mentions anything about behavior. Bzzzzz it isn’t there anywhere in these documents. Need to stop shoveling the crap edduh. Their immoral lifestyle is not acceptible in this country. I remember when I went to basic training in March of 1985. There was a gay soldier in the rotation before mine. His fellow soldiers found out he was gay, threw him down 3 flights of stairs, brought him back up, threw him down again, which the soldier dies of massive head injuries. Now, killing the person was not necessary, but the person shouldn’t have been allowed in. Especially since he had to lie to get in, since this was before DADT. Eduuh, why do you always sound so moronic? If you approve of this, then you are asking for more things like this to happen. Many of them will be discharged for being court martialed for violating the UCMJ’s laws against sodomy. I remember once you said you were a Christian. You don’t sound like much of one to me. 하나님과 국가 대 한! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – Many people have evolved in the last 26 years.

          • Kinetic1

            USAF VET,
            I guess you must have been harboring this anger from birth. In fact it might have been passed down to you from your ancestors! The term “gay” has had a varied sexual connotation since the 14th century. By the late 19th century “gay house” was another term for brothel. Writers of the 16th century, song writers in the 19th, gays in the 1920s and even average folk began the common and consistent use of gay when referring to homosexuals goes back to the 1940′s. I understand that our puritanical parents might have protected us from such slang, but that doesn’t change the facts.

          • http://naver samurai

            Don’t reall think so Karolyn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Elaine

            AMEN TO THAT, Rafael. Obama wishes to destroy America in any way he can. Weaken the military, destroy the economy, walk away from a victory in the war, support Muslims and hate Israel. The list goes on. The most EVIL president ever. I pray that God removes him before
            his term is over.

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – And you are proud of that? (that people haven’t evolved) Better to evolve, change and grow than to stay the same and be just like a rock that never changes. What a stagnant way to be.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well gee whiz Karolyn. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that the person that stands by their convictions and not going with the flow (libs) is the stronger person? Things may have changed since our founding, but there are some things that shouldn’t change for the good of this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            You are despicable Samurai. What did you do to stop those “good soldiers” from killing that gay soldier? They should have been the ones kicked out of the service and apparently yourself also. You are the one who is sinful and moronic with that lynch mob mentality .

          • eddie47d

            Yes Samurai the Individual is in the Constitution and gays are Individuals. Another thing I am not your Edduh as I have told you before so stop acting like a child in cheap name calling.

          • Angel Wannabe

            samurai_If its any consulation, I always said its good thing, my Father WWII Vet.(now deceased) never got into a foxhole with a fag, as he called them, because if they would’ve gone after him in sexual manner, he would have shot them!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Yeah, Yeah, Yeah eddie, Mr. Perfect!__Your not dead yet, you will answer for all your wrong doing too, when ya go to meet your maker___we all will!

          • http://naver samurai

            Geeze ol’ pete! Didn’t you read where I said it was in the rotation before mine? This means that I came 2 weeks after they were finished? I guess ed’s reading comprehension score is “0″. BTW I call you edduh because you sometimes sound like Obama bin Laden when he is talking (duh, duh, duh). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. I don’t have a lynch mob mentality. If I were the NCO there, I would not have let that happen. I would of had to get the MP’s, put him somewhere safe, send him to courts-martial, and may have even had to drive him to the airport to send him home. Is this a good enough explination for you?

          • Robert Smith

            samurai claims: “Their immoral lifestyle is not acceptible in this country.”

            Actually gays are much more accepted than before. They can marry in many states, they are now accepted into the military…

            So, why are you lying about their “acceptability?”

            BTW!

            Science can land a man on the moon and return him. Religion lands man in a highrise as a flaming ball of hell.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong answer rob! We both know their perverted lifestyle was forced onto the military. Why do you lie about things you have no knowledge about? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Kepka

          Karolyn, Whether we believe creation was the act of some supreme intelligence or the result of swamp scum chemical reaction, that creator produced a male and female in every species. Primarily for the perpetuation of the species.The problem with the homosexuals, they seem to equate love as being sex. There is nothing wrong with loving someone of the same gender. There is something wrong with having sex with the same gender.There is no justification for homosexuality either from a religious point of view or a secular point of view. It’s wrong!

          • DaveH

            There does not need to be “justification” for their actions as long as they don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others.
            This is why we’re currently in the mess we’re in. People on both sides of the issues want to ram their own pet agendas down everybody else’s throats. And the Big Government Leaders love that fact. They just keep growing their power while the rest of us fight over whose agenda gets top billing.
            The Leaders are making fools out of the rest of us, or at least taking advantage of our foolishness. We need to end that, and get back to real Freedom. If we don’t wake up soon, we will someday longingly wish for those times past when the worst that we could imagine was man on man.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Robert!

            You say: “we believe creation was”

            Why should we subscribe to YOUR beliefs? Why don’t you respect ours?

            Rob

          • DaveH

            What goes around, comes around, Robert Smith. What do you expect from people whose Freedoms you don’t respect?

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Dave H, but Rob has no respect for anyone. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob Smith, that is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Quit lying samurai. I’ve often suggested to folks that there are different kinds of christians. Those who worship the brutal god you do and those, like Bishop Spong, who worship a loving christian god.

            Those I respect, and they respect me.

            Is your brutal god so weak you have to make stuff up about those who aren’t goose stepping with you?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bishop Spong is NO CHRISTIAN! He is what we call a CINO. A Christian in name only. Why is it if a Christian is anti-gay lifestyle, as we are to be, they are bad people to you and the ones that support this perverted lifestyle are OK? What’s the use in telling you the truth about anything? You are unable to comprehend what is true. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: ” A Christian in name only.”

            Really… And just what gives YOU the right to define christanity for another?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, are you that lost? If he believe the way you say he does, fine. Fine! But you can’t believe the way he does and call yourself a Christian. It is inconceiveable to call yourself a Christian, but live in rebellion to the Bible. MOF who are you to say who is a good Christian and who is not? Need to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • USAF VET

            Aparently Kinetic1, you havent’ done much research or you would have checked. Using the term Gay for homosexuality is a fairly modern term and does NOT date back to the 13th or 14th centuries. If it did the term Gay 90′s, describing an era of our country, would never have been used, calling a young man a “Gay young blade” would nenver have been used, and how about in the song Deck The Halls that is sung at Christmas, the verse that says “Don we now our Gay apperal” would never have been written if the term gay was for homosexuality. It states in the dictionary that the word gay means light hearted, happy-go-lucky, pretty bright colors, fun loving, and also “a bastardized version of the German word GUI, (pronounced goo-i) meaning queer.
            And by the way, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. It is a mental disorder and “homosexual love” is not love, it’s unnaturl, disgusting lust.

        • JeffH

          Having spent my whole life in N. California and 30 mi. NE of SF…I’ve seen, been around and worked with gays. Fortunately, they weren’t flaming about it and most seemed no different than the straight people I was around. It is what it is and as long as they don’t try to force their gayness on me or others, It really doesn’t matter to me.

          As for the military, as long as they are soldiers and act like soldiers…I have no problems with it. As far as the battlefield goes, anyone that is more concerned about whether someone is checkin’ out their arse over survival doesn’t belong in the military as far as I’m concerned. These guys and gals have to prove themselves before they become regular soldiers anyway.

          Should DADT been repealed? I didn’t think so, but it has been and it’s time to move on to the next chapter…and I don’t think a chapter with a new line of chorus girls dressed in pink camo or flaming baby oil wrestling matches in the barracks…it’ll be business as usual.

          • Karolyn

            Thanks for being rational, Jeff. Too many people go by stereotypes an have knee-jerk reactions.

          • JeffH

            K, you’re welcome.

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Vieteravet

            Your statement is correct, keep your private life to yourself and keep it off the base, that’s why DADT should not have been repealed. I worked in the USAF with gays nad back then it was totally illegal, but if a guy did his job and kept hi slife private no one really cared. There were about 50 guys in my flight in Minot and we all knew who these guys were.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Karolyn

          Tell Angel

          Alexander the Great was acknowledged as a military genius and he was also gay.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again! He had a wife, remember? That arguement is about as old as your breath coal dungger! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey samurai! How’s it going?

            You asked how is it known? Check out: “http://www.gayheroes.com/alex.htm

            Rob

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – Where have you been hiding? It’s a well-known fact that many gays marry in an attempt to fit in, but the marriages usually fail because they need to be who they really are! As a matter of fact I have known a couple who married and then divorced after having a child.

          • DaveH

            Who cares?
            The only thing I care about is Liberals spreading unsupported facts:
            http://www.bible-history.com/alexander-the-great/

          • Kinetic1

            DaveH,
            Interesting site, but even here the historian of note, Dr. Reames-Zimmerman actually supports the conclusion that at some point in his life Alexander was involved in homosexual relations. Sure, it’s buried at the end, but it clearly states;
            *I want to make it clear that Dr. Reames-Zimmerman does conclude on the basis of cumulative “circumstantial evidence” that Alexander and Hephestian were lovers in youth.

            I agree with much of your post on justification, but I guess you must see this claim about Alexander as “trespass on the bodies and property of others”. Problem is I just can’t see where your proof does anything to support your claim of “Liberals spreading unsupported facts”.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Wrong samurai,
            You just stuck your foot in your mouth.
            2,300 years ago men in Greece had wives, mistresses, and lovers of either gender. Alexander’s father, Philip of Macedon, had male lovers and also many wives, a problem when half-brothers would fight to the death over the throne. Alexander refused to marry and beget an heir when he left Macedon to conquer the world.

            Alexander loved his boyhood friend, Hephaestion. Both brilliant boys, they were tutored by Aristotle, with whom Hephaestion kept up a lifelong correspondence. Alexander and Hephaestion felt like the two heroes Achilles and Patroclus, from The Iliad, which was Alexander’s favorite book.

            Hephaestion started off as a regular cavalry soldier – Alexander did not play favorites – and rose through the ranks on merit and carried out the most important military and administrative assignments. Later, Alexander also fell in love with a courtier from the conquered Persian court, scandalous not because the courtier was male, but because he was Persian — most Greeks thought that other people were barbarians. Alexander married a princess from a faraway mountain kingdom of Asia, but it’s unclear if he loved her because their only child was born much later. He also married the defeated Persian king’s daughter, a purely political marriage, and Hephaestion married her sister, since he and Alexander wanted their children to be cousins.

            After they conquered Asia, Hephaestion died suddenly of typhus. Alexander’s grief was monumental. He asked the oracles if Hephaestion was a god (back then people could become gods by achievement) and was told that Hephaestion was indeed a hero, a lesser type of god. Now Alexander, who had no doubt about his own divinity, knew that he would meet his beloved again in the Blessed Realm, where gods and heroes live. He got his first wife pregnant and died himself without waiting for the child to be born, all within eight months of Hephaestion’s death, just as Achilles had followed Patroclus in the Iliad. He was 32 years old.

            By Shdelan

          • Angel Wannabe

            coalminer, Quite Frankly Bubba, I could’nt give a tinkers damn who was gay then, or now… its wrong, its destroying what’s left of decency, and I’m tired of being tolerant of everything you bleeding hearts find to sympathize with. ..If You agree with gays, then march with them, cry for them, do whatever you have to do to feel good…but stop shoving it down my throat and the throats of the rest of God Fearing Folks who think its disgusting act, and telling us we’re the ones that are wrong!__I could care less if you or the other Liberal Ladies on here, like how I feel or not!…If ya wanna be a perv, do it!…But, Get out of my F-in face with it, and the faces of Americas kids!!!!

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            samurai
            Here another piece of history.

            By then he was known as Alexander the Great and … While the people of Macedonia don’t want to believe that their national hero was gay, they can take …

            http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/alexanderthegreat.htm

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Vieteravet

            Historically the greeks were bisexual. A boys first incounter with sex was an older man.

        • http://google yochanan heimeyer

          Hi Karolyn, I believe you mean well, but your remarks don’t consider the ramifications to the bigger picture. There are those(my self included) who disagee with this sexual orientation and is contrary to the values and tradition of the Judeao/christian faith, and will probably cause many otherwise patriots to change their decisions in entering the armed forces voluntarily. They will consider many of the various reasons listed in this response, even though you may not agree with those reasons. Every person’s opinion should be respected and not taken personally because it is what a person “does” that ultimately determines who that that person is and what a person “thinks” usually determines who that person is.

          The statements by Pres. Obama, if they reflect of what he “thinks”, does(by saying), this may vary well determine his eternal destiny. He states that he is a christian, he therefore should believe in what Jesus states in the Gospels. Consider when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees that were in the various cities that HE performed the “works” of MESSIAH when HE states, ” Woe unto you Chorazim, Bethsaida,and Capernaum…shall be brought down to Hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained unto this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be ‘more tolerable’ for the inhabitants of Sodom, in the Day of Judgement, than for thee”. These are solomn words from the only One who can secure our salvation, Messiah! All know the acts of the inhabitants of Sodom were abhorent to the Holy One of Israel, Creator of all, the word says it all.

          • Robert Smith

            Why should America be ruled by your mytholoy?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            He is right and you are wrong Rob, as always. The question should be why do we have to listen to your unfounded crap? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Why do we have to listen to your hatred Samurai? That is a more relevant question.

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie__eh, ahhh,__”why do you have to listen to us??????”__Your the resident idiot Progressive on a Conservative Site, or don’t you get that yet?__Wait a while it may come to ya____you really kill me___lol
            ya just don’t get anymore ridiculous than that!

          • http://naver samurai

            Really ed? I don’t hate them as people, just their immoral and perverted lifestyle. I also don’t like it when they keep throwing it in our faces. You know, hate the sin and not the sinner. Need to be making that popping sound! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai says: “I also don’t like it when they keep throwing it in our faces.”

            Do you mean like your?: “FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!”

            Who is throwing what in faces?

            Oh, I get it. Samurai get your brutal god out of my face.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Such a very moronic response, even for you. But then again, all of your responses are the same low level of intellect. You need the love of country and God to be a patriot! Just go home and stay there! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://deleted Shirley

          And so what is the first picture I see after this became law yesterday.. A high ranking officer running off in uniform to marry and then give a big smooch to his new husband/wife… there must be some protocol for PDA in our miliary or we will become a laughing stock…

          • libertytrain

            Shirley –There is no written rule – however there is an unwritten rule that romantic behavior is inappropriate/unbecoming of/for officers – with a couple exceptions. One, returning from deployment (or leaving for deployment)- where all the soldiers gather and meet their families upon return; and, it is acceptable to marry in your uniform, and that would be another reason a kiss would be “allowed” —

        • http://naver samurai

          Wrong answer Karolyn! Since you have never served, you can never know what you are talking about. You talk about growing up? What about the queers growing up, hmmm? Why don’t they stop pushing their perverted beliefs on the rest of us and just stay in the closet? A brave gay soldier? You show me a source that documents such things, but I know I’ll just hear crickets chirping in the background. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Here’s one Samurai. I’m sure there are more to be found.

            http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/gay.soldier.andrew.wilfahrt/index.html

          • http://naver samurai

            I’ve read your source Karolyn and it has a number of flaws and leans towards the left and gay agenda. He said that “Nobody cares if I’m gay?” Now we both know that is a lie. He died in Afghanistan being marked,”the first gay soldier”, but who cares about that? Why didn’t they say soldier? Does his perverted sex life have to be advertized? Why is CNN the only news source for this story? We both know that CNN is leftward leaning and doesn’t really give objective news reporting. I’ll bet he died alone. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – You don’t even have the decency to respect a dead gay soldier! That is very sad, considering how much you support the military – that you would even dispaarage ANY soldier’s death!

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Karolyn! If a soldier dies in battle, they have my respect. The thing I’m objecting to is they have to make a big deal about him being gay. Can’t they just say he died a soldier and not a gay one? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Why don’t they stop pushing their perverted beliefs on the rest of us and just stay in the closet?”

            I’ll say the exact same thing about your brutal version of christanity.

            Why can’t you stop pushing you rperverted beliefs on the rest of us?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer idiot! I just state how I believe or feel about the subject at hand. You, on the other hand, are always forcing this pro choice, pro queer, pro illegal drug, anti God crap on all of your postings. Sounds like you are the one pushing their beliefs on others. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Quite Frankly Karolyn, These Gays have to play the hand of cards they were dealt!__If they were born men, then be a Man!!!

        __Anything else is an excuse to be perverse.

        I’m a little tired of the likes of you and the rest of the world telling me to accept, what I find to be disgusting!

        • Doc Sarvis

          I really don’t know why people are so concerned with other people’s sex life. Perhaps their’s does not provide enough interst for them.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Doc Sarvis, First and foremost it a perversion, I didn’t say its wrong, God did! I trust him a h*ll-a-va lot more than I trust any mans opinion! Secondly I care about the kids seeing this repulsive shyte!__and ya wonder why our youth is so screwed up!__We are in an anything goes society, everything is to be tolerated___WELL BS ON THAT!

          • Doc Sarvis

            The Bible MAY have said it was wrong. The Bible has a lot of very strange stuff in it. The Bible was written by men not God.

            God is love and if two consenting adults love and care for each other then that is a very good thing.

          • USAF VET

            Homosexuality has nothing to do with love. It is perverted sexual lust which is a sin, besides being absolutly disgusting. Watching a man kiss another man, or a woman kiss another woman on the mouth is so very disgusting, and it makes me almost physically sick to see it.

          • Angel Wannabe

            USA Vet__My Husband an I as a hobby DJ/KJ one to two nights week, I’ve already walked off the stage, when two men starting kissing at the table in front of us.__Three lesbians who know us well, went and told them to stop or go in the car.The two guys were newbies, Our regulars know we don’t put up with that our shows,or from the heteros either, if your gonna screw around get a room!.__I don’t care what the Gays do, but stay outta my face and away from the kids!!!

          • USAF VET

            And by the way Doc, noone ever said the Bible was written by God. It is an acknowleged fact that it was written by men and that it is the inspired word of God. The Old Testement is the early history, the Law, and the Prophecy. The New Testement is the fulfillment of that prophecy, the story of the life of Christ, and the revelation of what is to come.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Jesus kissed Judas. I guess Jesus disgusts you as well.

          • Angel Wannabe

            DOh!__ C’mon Doc, Jesus kissed Judias in friendship, who the heck are you trying to kid?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Angel, and you know this how?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Doc Sarvis, and you know it this kiss was meant in another way__ C’mon you typong for something to say!!

          • Karolyn

            USAF VET – I have known ong-time gay couples who are just like old married hetero couples and don’t even have sex anymore. Gay couples do have love for each other. It is not all about sex. Your mind is in the gutter. A good friend of mine lost his partner of 15 years and has been in a depression and drinking heavily for 3 years over the loss. He deeply loved him. People are people, no matter what their sexual proclivities.

          • Angel Wannabe

            K quite frankly I could care less what they do, my main concern is the kids and older youth still in they’re confused stage.(incidently thats why this is so promoted, to the teens while they’re young)

            … but I’m tired of hearing homosexuality being promoted as, “its right”, we have an obligation to be “tolerant of it”..that’s BS Karolyn, and I’m tired of the shift from “wrong” being portrayed as “right” and vice versa, when the h*ll are you folks gonna start thinking for yourselves, your living in an utopia that was created for you by the Progressives, NOTHING says you have to like it, agree, or stay there!..Good God, some of act like its flower Power Generation all over again, with your heads in the clouds!

          • TML

            Why is the sexual preference of others even an issue? A sign of weak minds.

            And if you say, “because the bible tells me so”… then you’re an idiot

          • Angel Wannabe

            TML___Pioneers take the arrows my friend__Bring it! :)

          • TML

            “Pioneers take the arrows my friend”

            Perhaps, but who was it that said something about casting the first stone?

            “Bring it!”

            Are you sure?

          • Angel Wannabe

            TML,__ you can twist the language all you wish, say it however you like, God said its wrong… I’m with him….. Yeah I’ll bring it! :)

          • TML

            “you can twist the language all you wish, say it however you like,”

            “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone…” – John 8:7

            I don’t think I twisted anything. Or are you ignorant of God’s word, except for what you choose?

            “God said its wrong… I’m with him…..”

            I’m sure you like to think you are.

            “He” also refers to a woman’s menstration as a “sickness”…

            “If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.” Leviticus 20:18

            Are you with him on that?

          • Doc Sarvis

            right on TML!

          • TML

            Were are you my Angel… I’ve not even gotten to the good stuff yet! ;)

          • TML

            How about this one….

            “But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.” – Leviticus 11:10

            It’s talking about shellfish, like shrimp and lobster… and calls eating them an “abomination” the same as it refers to your favorite verse about homosexuality… shouldn’t we expect you picketing at Red Lobster, or showing the same disgust for that as you have for same-sex relations?

            No, I figure you only use the bible to serve your OWN prejudice.

            Have a nice day.

          • http://naver samurai

            Talking about yourself again doc? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            TML is trying to twist the words of the Bible for his own moronic gain and failing miserably. We should just ignore him, as he is nothing but some troll that comes to cause trouble and has not knowledge on how to debate. Don’t forget doc and tml, it also says this:

            If a man lieth with another man, as he would with a woman, let him die the death.

            Leviticus 20:13

            In those days, gays were stoned to death for their perverted behavior. These days, they die from suicides, AIDS, and being killed by a jealous lover. Yes, there are more murders of gays by other gays than there are by heterosexuals. In the army, though not a common practice, soldiers take matters into their own hands and kill or assult the person. I’ve never done that myself, but have known it to happen. It’s called soldier’s justice. I’ve personnaly turned in people for admitting they were queer. I’d do it again. Anyone who doesn’t go by the Bible is the one with the weak mind and soul. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://fossmsgt_1@midco.net Ernie

            Doc Sarvis, Please take a look at II Timothy 3:16, 17 and II Peter 1:20, 21.

      • http://naver samurai

        Angel and Freedom Fighter are both correct in their assumptions. This will become a big negative mark in the military. This will bring down morale, affect cohesion, and bring mistrust into the ranks. It just goes to show that Obama bin Laden knows nothing about the military and what it goes through on a daily basis. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          samurai,
          I wonder how many straight soldiers that would have been taken as prisoners will just be murdered by the muslims now that the service is “openly” gay?? I wonder if Jessica Lynch would have lived if the muslims thought there was a chance that she was homosexual??

          • http://naver samurai

            Good questions Joe H., but I’ll have to get back with you on this. I have no real answers at this time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Freedom says: “I predict the above will turn out to have high negative impact on the armed services of the United States.”

      Since gays have always been in the military why do you think honesty will change things?

      Besides the same thing was said when blacks were allowed to join.

      Our military is the best in the world and that ain’t gonna change simply because of your hate.

      Rob

      • Patriot II

        Robert;

        Are you talking about the Gay’s Hate for Straight People?

        • Robert Smith

          No Patriot, I’m not talking about gays hating straight folks. Most are loving and respectful of most people just as straights are.

          I’m talking about the “god hates fags” hate that there is so much of around here that so many christians embark upon in the name of their god.

          Are you a follower of the reich rev. Phelps?

          Rob

          • Patriot II

            Robert,

            Where did you get the idea that God Hates Fags? By the Way why are you calling them Fags, isn’t that a “Hate Term”, do you hate Homosexuals?

          • Robert Smith

            Let’s see… Maybe: http://godhatesfags.com/

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Though I do not agree with the methods of Rev. Phelps, but Christians are to be anti-gay lifestyle. Not them in particaluar, but against the liefstyle. Do you have any hopes of understanding? God doesn’t hate gays as people, but hates their actions and their lifestyle. How many times do we have to tell you before it sinks into that thick moronic head of yours? Believe me, this will change a lot of things in the military. None of them for the better. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Dan az

        Apparently you haven’t been paying attention Roberta.Our soldiers or not reupping because of this law.They believe it will put them into danger and has stated so.Why not tell the truth it was in the news look it up.I’m sure there might be a few that will stick it out but the majority are giving it up.So how is this good for our military?Do we just start letting them hand out flowers instead of bullets?Yea right another good job by our lustrous by sexual leader.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Az and the onlky reason our dear leader passed and believes this crap hes gonna need all the friggin votes he can get incuding the gay vote__which is why it was done__and of course so he can play too….:)

          • Dan az

            Hey Angel
            The foot is in the door now and the next thing will be you are picking on me because I’m gay!That’s discrimination I’m going to sue!So sussy boy now gets to create problems among the ranks and can’t be touched because it would hurt her feelings.Ya this is going to work!NOT!!

          • Darryl

            I think Obama pushed for this. Somebody should ask him about his “personal trainer.” who some tabloids have groused about.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Darryl, I saw a few things pertaining to that!

        • Robert Smith

          From Dan: “Our soldiers or not reupping because of this law.”

          Prove that one, don’t just give me lies again.

          Rob

          • Karolyn

            You’ve got that right, Robert. When this originallly in the news, I heard many interviews with straight troops who served with gays and had no problem with it. I think the problem is more with conservatives who don’t like anybody who doesn’t fit into their mold. If a man wants to fight, let ‘em; and any man who wouldn’t join the service just because there are known gays doesn’t really want to serve his country. He’s more concerned with his own manhood. You know what they say about people who protest too much!

          • http://naver samurai

            Why do you and Karolyn have to lie about this? Tell the sources you looked at about these interviews Karolyn and don’t let me hear crickets either. I have friends still in the army and they are talking about soldiers E5-E7 not wanting to reup. These are their immediate supervisors and trainers. What will happen to the army when many of their NCO’s decide to get out? I wouldn’t want to be on the lines then. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – It is not lies. I heard the interviews on the radio and tv ove a year ago. Also, a REAL man would not allow something like this from deterring him from joining the service! If they are afraid of gays, what is that saying about them?

          • http://naver samurai

            They aren’t affraid of gays Karolyn. It is just human nature to want to stay away from something that is abnormal. What does it say when our leaders in Washington cater to this moronic way of life and go against the will of the people and against our founding? What does that say about them? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • ValDM

        And how many ‘friendly fire’ deaths could be the result of gays in the military?

        • Dan az

          ValDM
          Probably until they stop telling!Hence don’t ask and don’t tell!Think there might be some wisdom to that?

        • Robert Smith

          Again with the christian threats of violence for those they don’t like.

          Some “loving” perverted god you worship.

          Rob

          • ValDM

            Smith,
            First, you don’t deserve the Mr. in front of your name as you can’t give anyone else respect (only insults), so you don’t deserve respect from me, either. Second, where in my post do I mention God? I love my God & worship Him, but I didn’t bring Him up; you did. Third, you’re like a broken record…..always the same, same, same until someone “kicks” the arm of the record player into a new groove. Find a new groove—you’re getting tiresome.

          • Robert Smith

            Hate gays, do you Valdium?

            Do you know that there is a theory that homophobs are gay themselves?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            ValDM,
            Watch it, next thing you know he will be calling THEM acorns!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, shut up! Enough with the Christian bashing and hate speech against Christians and God. You really lose credibility, not that you ever had any, when you post. Why do you say so many bad things against God and Christians when you, yourself posted on August 22, 2010 “I was a protestant.” That was probably a lie also, wasn’t it? Maybe I ought to throw one of your overused lines back at you, “Ahhhhh, such wordplay to insult others and steal their rights.” Right now, you are infringing on other people’s rights, now knock it off, moron! ValDM and Dan are correct in what they are saying. Robert, take your lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist backside and go somewhere else. You and your ilk is what is wrong with this great nation. 하나님과 국가 대 한! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            More of samurai not addressing issues and attacking individuals. Thanks for such a fine example samurai.

            Shows exactly how frail your and your brutal god really are.

            BTW, quit trying to force your religion upon the rest of America. Get it out of my face.

            For Goddess and Country.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            It’s called freedom of speech and religion, o brainless one. How can you say you like freedom in America, but then try to deny it to someone else? Need to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://deleted Shirley

        Reply to Doc Sarvis…. Judas kiss Jesus and it was a betrayal… it was to identify Jesus so he could be seized and killed….

        • http://naver samurai

          You have to excuse doc, edduh, and robert. They were battle buddies in the same foxhole during their service with the San Francisco 69th Rump Rangers. They don’t really know the Bible or anything else for that matter. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          Good and accurate post Shirley. I hope you stick around for awhile.

    • Bob G

      Homosexuality is a sick and demented way of life. And has the UCMJ been rewritten?

      • Dan az

        It would have to be and probably have to be in a pink cover now instead of blue.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Dan Az.. or yellow! ;)

          • Karolyn

            Why would someone be a coward just because he or she is gay?

          • Dan az

            probably because when you go after them they run and scream like a little b-tch.

          • Karolyn

            Dan – You obviously don’t know any gays or lesbians. And why is it no one is saying anything about lesbians. It’s because women have beautiful bodies and many men get turned on by two women interacting sexually.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Okay, there are gays everywhere. I just don’t want to be bothered by them. The gay parades that I have seen on TV are disgusting. They can keep their sexual activity to themselves, it is a private matter. Two men together? Two women together? I just don’t see the normalcy in any of it. And I still believe it is a matter of choice. Barf and Gag.

          • Robert Smith

            From claire: “Okay, there are gays everywhere. I just don’t want to be bothered by them. The gay parades that I have seen on TV are disgusting. They can keep their sexual activity to themselves, it is a private matter. Two men together? Two women together? I just don’t see the normalcy in any of it. And I still believe it is a matter of choice. Barf and Gag.”

            OK, there are brutal christians everywhere. I just don’t want to be bothered by them. The christian demonstrations (westbourough baptist in particular) that I have seen on TV are disgusting. They can keep their brutal religious activity to themselves, it is a private matter. Two brutal christians together? Two more brutal christians together? I just don’t see the normalcy in any of it. And I still believe religion is a matter of choice. Barf and Gag.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sheesh! Shows no guts answering the way you did. Why would you post an answer to Claire, since she has moved on to other threads by now? You response is so ignorant that it is unworthy of a response.

            http://www.patriotupdate.com/videos/bristol-palin-responds-to-angry-homosexual

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Bob, the UCMJ also applies to heterosexuals too. I haven’t seen any activity in enforcement on that lately.

        Why should gays be treated differently?

        Rob

        • Angel Wannabe

          RS, I work around gays now, I also did art show with plenty of gays___ “Why should gays be treated differently?” Because they like being friggin’flamers thats why, THEY ARE DIFFERENT AND THEY LIKE IT!

          They love the Lime light and the more they Flame, the more they feel they are loved…Most of these folks are more intelligent and Talented than anyone knows, there lifestyle is a choice because they’ve met and concured most of the other challenges in life!….My experience has always been, if you intend to live OUTSIDE OF THE NORM, be prepared to take heat for it!..If they’re getting heat, its THEIR PROBLEM, not mine for giving it to them!

          • Karolyn

            Oh, so someone else’s bad behavior is their problem????? That’s a little ridiculous. I thought you espoused self responsibility. Wouldn’t that include responsibility for acting like a human being to other human beings and not like an irrational animal who hates animals that are different than him.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Angel Wannabe
            Have you ever herd of the ancient Greek soldiers?They never left their buddies behind.Great soldiers.Ha Ha Ha Ha

          • Robert Smith

            Well Angel if you say: “If they’re getting heat, its THEIR PROBLEM, not mine for giving it to them!”

            So if I’m giving you heat because of your brutal christian god it’s YOUR problem, not mine.

            Thanks for that insight.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Never mind them fellow patriot, as they are just showing their true colors. You know, people that are bleeding hearts and stand for anything that is unnatural, immoral, destroys family values, anti-Christian, and destroys America and our Christian founding from the inside out. They don’t care if this nation rots away and dies as long as they have each other and their freaky relationships with each other. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer coal dungger! Watch the movie Masada and see what the Roman soldiers did when far from home. They had a”sex camp”set up next to their camp. The camp was full of women and was for their sexual pleasure. Ergo, you’ve just lost again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Considering your quoting bible babble as if it’s fact it doesn’t surprise me you accept a movie as “fact.”

            “Watch the movie Masada…” I have. It is ENTERTAINMENT, not fact.

            Too bad you can’t tell the difference.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            It is in history rob. Don’t you know the difference? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Larry Owens

      As a vietnam veteran it makes me sick but with the gay lobby cramming/pushing their evil degenerate lifestyle down our throats and now they are trying to make the teachers teach the gay lifestyle is OK in our schools and get our children to think it is ok. I will never accept their Filthy,Evil Immoral,Sinful lifestyle nor should our children have to be exposed to their UnGodly behavior.

      But odombo/ovomit/oblammer is in bed with the gays & lobby and he needs to GO in 2012, but the damage has been done.

      • Robert Smith

        It’s less damage to America than the American Taliban. I’ll vote for Obama again.

        I really don’t think hate has a place in American freedoms.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          robert,
          I never entertained a thought that you would do any different, so that isn’t any suprise!!! We already know you are lacking in the area of the cranium!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Seesh, what a hypocrite! You say hate has no place in our freedoms, but then you turn around and vent your hate onto us. Why are you impeading our freedoms rob? Need to be making that popping sound here very soon. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Earl

      An interesting point of fact. If I’m not mistaken, the encouragement of of homosexuality generally in society in general,let alone in the military, is one of the planks of the communist manifesto. If so, it fits right in with Obama’s communist background…Not to mention his alleged membership in the gay
      ” Men’s Club” in Chicago…Need I say more?

      • Robert Smith

        Why do you base your “argument” on a lie?

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          prove it’s a lie!

        • http://naver samurai

          Here goes rob calling someone a liar when, in fact, he is the one lying. I’ve read the Communist Manifesto and back him up on this point, have you read it? Ooops! I keep forgetting that your ilk either can’t read or you cut and paste things from other works, making a whole new work, and claim them as your own. Haven’t made that popping sound yet, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • 2WarAbnVet

    It’s all a part of the long standing-struggle by our resident liberal/socialists to destroy the fabric of our military forces.

    • Patriot II

      2WarAbnVet;

      You are Correct sir!

      • Karolyn

        You guys are a riot! Paranoia at its finest.

        • Patriot II

          Karolyn,

          You said: “You guys are a riot! Paranoia at its finest”. I hope to God you are right and that’s all it is! What will you do, if we are right?

          • eddie47d

            There are allot of Christians who are living in hell and some of these unGodly comments won’t find you a place in Heaven.

          • http://naver samurai

            Neither will being gay ed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Vieteravet

            The only comment that will get you to Heaven is, ” I believe in Jesus Christ as my personal savior, and He is the Son of The Most High!”

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Vieteravet

          No we’re all patriots who fought for our country, most of us against commies and now we have one in OUR Whitehouse.

          • http://naver samurai

            Hooooorrrrraaaaahhhhh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        I second that motion. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James

    What great progress… $14 trillion debt and growing
    Health care that congress is “exempt” from.
    Downgrading of debt first time ever
    Firt time month with no new jobs since 1945
    etc etc

    and now wonderfully gays can serve openly in the services… what progress… things are great! ! !

    • Karolyn

      They sure are!

  • Karolyn

    I watched and listened to some of these military men in interviews and it was very emotional for them. They finally feel they can be themselves after years of hiding who they really are. It opens the door for them to live their lives authentically. How would anyone feel having to live a life of lies? They elected to serve their country and have done so with integrity and bravery, but now their integrity can be truly intact.

    • Tim

      It’s still social engineering. Change the definition of marriage. Change the military. Attack all traditional institutions. Change the Republic. All this stuff is just to demoralize and make the population apathetic. Marxist use all these tactics to erode the stability of the U.S. Then after they are in charge they line up all the useful idiots who helped bring down the society over several decades and shoot them. I mean you can’t have any social Utopians left to remember what they were promised.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Your right Tim, and Karolyn is one of many who fell for the Social Engineering, Hook, Line and Sinker!

      • Robert Smith

        From Tim: ” All this stuff is just to demoralize and make the population apathetic.”

        Actually much of the population of American, including myself, are happy that equality is winning out and folks can live honest lives.

        Most Americans don’t want to live under the brutal rules of that there christian god that hates fags. There are other gods and goddesses who are much better and stand for equality and love, not hate.

        Rob

        • Angel Wannabe

          RS__ if there is other gods and goddess’s to worship__there’s the door, don’t let it hit you in azz on the way out! :)

          • USAF VET

            To be a homosexual is dishonest because you are denying what you really are. If you were born a male, the manup and be one. If you were born a female, the be one, just don’t give me that crap that you were born a man but are a female inside, or the other way around. It just doesn’t work that way, get some help instead of trying to say that is is normal for you to feel that way because it just ISN’t normal.

          • Angel Wannabe

            USA Vet…At’s what I say! :)

        • Karolyn

          God does not hate homosexuals; Christians do!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn__ Gods word never said the word Homosexual, He said “if a Man lay with another Man, as he lay with a woman”__look it up!

          • Patriot II

            Karolyn,

            And apparently you hate Christians?

          • Karolyn

            Not in any way, Patriot. However, I do abhor their behavior towards others because “The Bible tells me so.” The Bible has so many ionterpretations it isn’t even funny. Of course, most religious people choose the interpretation that suits their own church and upbringing. I was raised Catholic and had bigoted parents; however, they accepted my cousin as she was, a lesbian and never talked bad about her. Although I was raised as a Christian, I was not taught to despise others. Some of my best friends have been homosexuals; and when I say “best”, I mean BEST!

          • Dan az

            Please karolyn don’t go into detail for us.I’m having lunch!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az,
            she means they were real “kissin” cousins!!! REAL close friends!!! ‘Ats probably why she’s alone NOW!!!

          • DC/Tex

            Karolyn’s best friends are homosexuals and the other day they were Muslims, strange bedfellows.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again, o mindless one. Remember, God doesn’t tell us to hate them, but to abhor evil. Homosexuality is a perversion of what God had ordained, ergo it is a sin. To sin against God is an evil act. Need to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Joe – You’re just showing your mind is in the gutter as usual.

          • Angel Wannabe

            samurai, Right on!___We aren’t to hate the people, we are to despise the behavior!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks Angel. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          Sounds like you have used up your stash of weed already. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Free Mind

      They haven’t elected to serve their country…they’ve elected to serve themselves with free education and other VA benefits.

      At least when the military is ordered to attack americans, it will be easier to shoot them.

      • Robert Smith

        More violence advocated from the extreme reich.

        Sheesh, than goodness most Americans like equality and respect for others better.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Not as much as there is from the extreme left. Sorry son, but this is not 1933-1945 Germany and Hitler has been dead for years, so quit saying reich. I don’t see any NAZIS on this site, at least none from the right. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Are you kidding me? You sure sound like a Naxi to me!

          • http://naver samurai

            Are you nuts Karolyn? How can you compare someone not liking a perverted lifestyle because it is their belief to NAZI ideology? I just want them to shut up and get out of my face, but if I was a NAZI I would want to wipe them off of the face of the earth. I’ve never posted anything like that, now have I? You really sound like you have your head buried in the sand. Are you an ostrich? Look around you woman! This great country is beginning to fall apart because of nonsense like this and all you want to do is moan, groan, bitch, and complain about queers being treated unfairly. What’s more important to you, your country or the gays? You can only chose one. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            I be to differ Samurai for your kind of hate filled talk does indeed spur Nazism and the acceptance of their homosexual killings.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong answer ed! I’ve never done any physical harm to anyone that admitted to be queer, I just told them to shut up and get moving. Your kind of moronic lies, rhetoric, and innuendo is what helped Obama bin Laden be voted into office. You said before that you were a Christian, then you are to be anti-gay lifestyle and pro-life, no matter what. This is what God tells us to do. Need to be making that popping sound! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Earl

      Spoken like a true bleeding heart liberal leftie!!

      • Karolyn

        I’d sure rather be a bleeding heart liberal than a heartless, fearful, paranoid consrvative! Fear is the motivating factor behind your views!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          And rose colored glasses & doobies are yours!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Your side has nothing to talk about when it comes to fear. Socialists and communists (left of center) have been doing that since 1918, so what’s your point? Your side has such people as Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Mihn, Castro, Chavez, and others that I don’t have time to post. Come to think of it, death was one of the scare tactics they used on people. Too bad it took between 50 – 70 million dead before they were all stopped or toppled from power. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Oh, come on, samurai. You fear God, liberals, Obama, homosexuals, Muslims, democrats, judgment, the government, latinos, African-Americans, life, people not like you….. Please, the list goes on and on. What a way to live!

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again, o misguided one. I do fear God and his judgement, but I don’t fear any of the other things on the list. Some things I don’t like, but I don’t fear anything human. Unlike you I have had to tow the line in combat. Have you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Hitler was a right winger and hated gays along with liberals and a wide variety of people. Stalin was a left winger and there are disgusting people on all sides. You have a screw loose Samurai so go goose step along with the other wanna a be Nazi’s.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear eddie47d,

            Hitler was a right winger? Your proclamations get more outlandish by the day.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://naver samurai

            That would be impossible ed, since the NAZI’s were socialists. We both know that socialism is to the very left of center. Need to get your facts straight before you post. Compare Nazism to the conservatives in America. You’ll find a vast number of differences, but many similarities to those on the left. Have you made that popping sound yet? I guess the reason you are attacking me so hard is either because I hit a nerve or I;m correct in what I’ve posted. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Karolyn, your right, fear and the bible is behind our bashing gays. They were better off in the closet… I know gay people too,K…some are not flamers, but most are!…They wallow and flaunt in they’re choices openly, and expect everyone to except they’re over the top lifstyle….I’ve seen it plenty, and the youth flocks to them because they have the balls to be openly different. The youth today…Obam is so dang hungry for heros, they cling to anything, including that of which is wrong, and our stupid azzed leaders go right along with it!

          • Angel Wannabe

            karolyn, “obam” is a typo.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Bob Livingston

            A list of evil right wing dictators. Here is a list of those evil people, I made this iste as someone wrote the idea on a search engine.

            http://www.lonympics.co.uk/listofdictators.htm

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear coal miner,

            They are dictators. Not sure what you think makes them “right wing.” Not sure they have a “wing” unless it’s an evil wing.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://naver samurai

            How about the left wing ones like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Mihn, Hitler, Lenin, Castro, Chavez, Saddam, etc? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Larry Owens

      go crawl under your gay rock and leave us christian people alone, we do not need your gay baloney period. We will NOT accept you so save your breath for some thing else..

    • http://naver samurai

      Their lives are lies, but you just don’t understand this do you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • J

    I am a U.S. Navy Veteran. I served during the height of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell on a fast attack submarine for five years. During that time, there was another crewmember who was gay. It was the worst kept secret on board. He had managed to keep the higher ups off his back by “marrying” a woman. She had medical issues and availed herself of the military dependent’s healthcare plus got the BAQ/VHA stipend for housing and he got a cover story. His boyfriend “rented a room” at their house.

    I know that when I needed to use the head to shower, and he was there, I’d find something else to do for however long it took for him to leave. I felt uncomfortable. I would imagine it was kind of like how a woman would feel if a strange man watched her shower. I know I can’t have been the only one to feel this way.

    What I am saying is this: this will have repercussions. I know that they have touted how in training they’ve had no problems. Just wait until they come under enemy fire.

    • Robert Smith

      Big brave J says: ” I felt uncomfortable.”

      Awwww he saw your pee pee. That seems to be YOUR problem, not his.

      BTW if you have watched Heinline’s movie “Starship Troopers” there was a part where boys and girls were showering together and it wasn’t an orgy. Men and women accepting each other as people instead of sexual objects is a sign of civilization. Aren’t human beings supposed to be better than animals? Seems you have demonstrated otherwise.

      Why is so much of your life tied up in sex? Too bad you can’t even take a shower without sexual thoughts.

      Rob

      • Jeep

        Geeze Robert, your “compassionate” response to the feelings of a heterosexual is amazing. I thought all you libs respected everyone’s feelings? From your “enlightened” response you are clearly only compassionate to those who believe as you do. Very hypocritical of you…good job! Pointing out liberal hypocritical thinking and double-speak is like shooting fish in a barrel. And, just like the fish you never see it coming in your small, dark and watered down world.

        • Robert Smith

          From Jeep who is trying to twist things around: “your “compassionate” response to the feelings of a heterosexual is amazing.”

          I have no sympathy for hate generated by fear or religion. Get used to it.

          They tough guy… Are you worried about a gay seeing your pee pee?

          Rob

          • ValDM

            But we’re supposed to tolerate the hate you spew????? Try liking yourself first, then you might be on the road to becoming human. Anyone who spits out as much venom as you surely has a hatred of self. Get some help.

          • Jeep

            Rob, such venom and hate…please, keep pouring it on! It just proves the point that you are a reflection of the deep hate filled center of liberalism. I feel sorry for you, Rob, to live with such a black heart must be terrible. And, for such an intolerant individual you must have such a small selection of friends to lean on in tough times. I wonder, how do you go about your daily life with such a weight of distruction on your shoulders? It must be awful…

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Jeep, you ask: ” I wonder, how do you go about your daily life with such a weight of distruction on your shoulders? It must be awful…”

            Equality in America is NOT distruction. It is what the founding fathers wanted.

            Besides, I don’t figure a way to hate. Why should I make myself myserable? Love is so much more fun.

            I find it so sad that so many would rather shoot bullets than sperm. Quite frankly I thin that might be an abomination from a religion that says “go forth and multiply.” I really really enjoy that multiply part.

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jeep,
            you don’t understand, robbie WANTS them to see his peepee!! He wants to see theirs!! HE’S GAY!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            This coming from a “man” that coerced his ex-wif to having an abortion and calling unborn babies acorns and not human beings? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jeep

            Robert, such a twisted mind you have. Forced equality is not equal for anybody. It is a simple truth that everyone has talents and they are not equal. Period. If you don’t think so, then step onto a pro football field for five minutes. Go to a board room at a large corporation. Or, stand all day in an assembly line at GM. If life were equal we would all play football, be a CEO or a union lineman. In your chaotic world there would be noone to watch a game, we would all be playing. There would be no direction to a company, we would all be in charge. And, heck we would have plenty of cars to get to work, but noone to sell them to.

            Reality check, life is not fair. Get over it. I would, however, prefer to live in a country were I am free to pursue my life goals without govt assistance or intervention. You know, like it says in the Constitution. And, if that is not your cup of tea, please feel free to imbibe elsewhere.

      • Karolyn

        Rob – Absolutely right! Ths country is so uptight about sex and the human body; and that is why there is so much sexual violence here. Rape rates are much lower in counties where sexuality is more freely accepted; and the human body is admired and respected rather than lusted after like here. In those countries that have nude beaches the rape rate is low. We are taught that the human body is something to be covered up and be ashamed of. That is where we go wrong. Repression is not a good thing.

        • Jeep

          Karolyn, I thought you were tolerant of burqa wearing peoples? Which one is it? Or, is it that, “Repression is not a good thing” only in America?

          • Karolyn

            Jeep, I’m not only tolerant of all others, but I love everyone – even you and the other midslingers here. :-)

          • Karolyn

            I meant mudslingers!

        • http://naver samurai

          Why don’t you go to Saudi Arabia and preach that nonsense? Guaranteed you won’t get too far into that conversation before being thrown in jail for being crazy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          P.S. Actually, being open about sexuality and have openly sexual relationships hurts the body more than helps it. Look at your Bible and then look at the diseases, rapes, and suicides that go on in an openly sexual society. Your way off base here lady.

          • Karolyn

            You’re out of your element here samurai. The Bible has nothing to do with statistics. This is my area of expertise, and I know of what I speak!

          • Angel Wannabe

            karaolyn, I know a lot of people with a degree, it doesn’t make you an expert! It means ya had some college education!

            I always have to laugh at the college crowd including some in myown family, they always act as if they’re the wisdom of the world….lol

          • Jeep

            So karolyn, are you saying that unrestricted sex is going to lower STD’s? That the ability to have sex any time, or to view porn every day will actually help your psyche? And, that statistics will bear this out? Ummm…really? On what planet? In what universe (or, should I say university) does this exist?

          • http://naver samurai

            The Bible may not have stats written in it, except the Book of Numbers, but if you did read it, you would see what happens when it comes to a sexual behavior. King David had Bathseba’s husband killed so he could have her, which the Lord punished David. Sodom and Gomorrah and all of its inhabitants were destroyed for their sexual perverted lives. It even says in the Book of Exidous that a man and a woman were commiting adultery and they were run through with a spear. So far, that is 1 king, 1 wife, 1 husband, and thousands of others. I could be wrong, but that sound like stats to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – You misinterpret my remark. I work in the domestic violence/sexual assault field. My job is trying to do away with these horrendous crimes through education and also to support the victims of those crimes. I spend much time researching statistics and facts to use in my work. I do not have a college degree; however, I am currently in school trying to better myself.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Ok Karolyn, so you work with trying to prevent violent crime__Let me ask some questions, Don’t you think some of this crime could be averted, if Government would stay out of family affairs, like taking the place of a “Daddy” and let be families?__How about disipline in children and really calling it disipline instead of abuse ???….Don’t you think if Homosexuality was played down(because its disgusting) instead of up(making it look kewl to be a queer) some of this crime might be averted???..Don’t you think some of think crime might be averted if you spent more time on families as a whole rather than trying to chamge our opinions, to “accept the Gay lifestyle” and other perversions, when we know damned well its WRONG!
            Forget what you learned in college, because if your trying to help a “homo” figure out, whether he wants to be a “boy” or a “girl” you just as bad as they are!!!___ Sounds like your a product of Columbia or Irvine University, frankly mostly all colleges(except those labeled christian) teach commie marxism, and what we could do for our government, instead of what we can do to better ourselves!

          • Karolyn

            Angel, I thought you were aware that I am 64 years old and in community college in the Bible Belt.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, Ok _Sooooo_the only thing you took away from what questions I asked, was the fact I wrongly assumed you were a product of Columbia or Irvine College???___Geesh old man, we are in trouble!!!!!!!!

        • Jeep

          You call it mudslinging, I call it questioning your comment. Sorry if your own words hurt so much, or you don’t like it. With great freedom comes great responsibility. I can’t help it if the liberal mantra collides with reality and there is a destructive explosion. But, that’s okay. Karma is a good thing. Advocate all the “free love” and sex you want. Disease and mental anguish will take care of that problem. It’s called Darwinism…survival of the fittest. I am a big fan. So, let’s allow everyone to “make love” as often as possible. After all, doesn’t obamacare cover AIDs?

  • Tim

    Well now the UN can recruit a certain portion of our military that won’t have any cumpunctions about pointing guns at Christian Americans in the near future. (Yes, this is a conspiracy theory of mine)

    • Robert Smith

      Maybe if you prey a bunch the bullets won’t go through your “god hates fags” signs into you. Try it. See if that works for you.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        You have listened to your satanic masters well, now just go home and leave us alone. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. God does not hate gays, just their lifestyle and actions.

        • eddie47d

          Then you need to reign in your GOD Hates Fags signs that are displayed in public by Christian groups. Your comments say exactly where you stand.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer ed! First, I’ve never petitioned or picketted anything in my life. Second, why would you, being a Christian, lie about me like that? I already said I don’t like their lifestyle and hate having it thrown in my face all the time. I just want them to take their perverted lifestyle and get lost. Getting lost is a far cry from hate or killing, now isn’t it? You are also starting to sound like rob smith. Maybe you 2 have a “special friendship” we don’t know about? Are you 2 coming out of the closet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Vieteravet

            The idiots who hold those sign are the same ones who protest at military funerals! They are not Christians. God hates sin not people.

  • newspooner

    The bad part of the whole issue is the continuing push for insisting that tolerance must be accompanied with approval. That is unAmerican. You can tell who the real bigots are by observing who claims that someone must approve of something that they find offensive. Such an attitude often cancels out the tolerance that was already freely there.

    • Robert Smith

      from newspooner: “You can tell who the real bigots are by observing who claims that someone must approve of something that they find offensive.”

      I find your version of brutal christanity offensive. Are you going to disapprove of that and insist that I accept your nasty god?

      Rob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You have made up your own god to follow. Why are you concerned with other peoples’ God?

        • Robert Smith

          Because some people use their brutal god as an excuse to reach out and harm others.

          Rob

          • Angel Wannabe

            RS,__ Alinski-ite!

          • Dan az

            roberta
            If you find that our military so offensive why are you backing the girly boys to join up.Did they not let you in when it was your turn in the barrel.When you group christian’s in with the vatican’s push for one world order you seem to show your ignorance in religion.What say you brother BOBBY?Oh and when I say look it up,that means look it up for your self and skip the abc networks try the computer just type in what you want and bingo there its.I venture to guess that you don’t read the military news being sect.8 and all but hey its something to think about.Go trolling on huff and puff if your looking for someone that thinks like you.I can assure you that your not going to change anybody here,they have this thing about morals unlike you and koralyn.And if your going to attack me by calling me a lier then I say prove me wrong!!!Then I’ll give you ten sites to go to that says different.By By

          • Robert Smith

            Dan lies that: “If you find that our military so offensive…”

            I don’t find the American military offensive. Why are you lying about that?

            I think we have the greatest military in the world. I doubt that the recent improvement will comprimise it in any way.

            Why are you opposed to equality in America?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron, but race, religion, gender, and national origin can be considered equal and all are equal under the law, but you show me where behavior is listed in the Constitution. It isn’t there. Ergo, they can’t claim their behavior to be equal with normal behavior. Such moronic thinking but someone who coerced his ex to have an abortion, just because he didn’t want to pay child support. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Rob – It’s not God that’s brutal; it’s his followers who misinterpret His (and I use the term loosely) word.

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually, it is fools like you and rob that are the haters here. You two will stop at nothing when it comes to destroying what this country was founded on. You two are the real haters. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Hey Bubby Smith, I remember something about This.. Lil’ thing called Freedom of Speech, that means we can STILL voice all of our opinions, no matter whether you think its “EQUAL” or not! :)

          • http://naver samurai

            You how it is with rob and his ilk Angel. They always cry about freedom of speech till someone speaks out against them or what they stand for. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Dan az

        Robert your words
        “You can tell who the real bigots are by observing who claims that someone must approve of something that they find offensive.”
        Explain to me how you don’t fit that!!!!You see booby you said it and you probably don’t get it.How sad!

        • eddie47d

          Samurai certainly doesn’t get it and has displayed hate in most of his comments.If he can’t admit it he will surely bully others.

          • http://naver samurai

            I’m not saying it again ed. Are we on the same understanding here? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • AlleninReality

    This is a slam on the military’s integrity and honor. For many, it will be a breach of their security. Now that the radical muslims know that the infadel has confirmed gays in their ranks, they will be given more incentive to attack our troops just to use that as an excuse.
    Homosexuality is not looked favorably upon by muslims and they may take a harder look at our troops as a way to retaliate because of this.

    The military is not place to be a social experiment and this will have a very negative impact on the voluntary status of the very institution that secures our sovereignty.

    The future of TRICARE and other clinical care for the military will be without a doubt, compromised and HIV awareness will be necessary more than ever! Just wait and see, with the reduction of military benefits and retirement modification, a draft will be very necessary.

    How’s hope and change working for you now? Happy day for a few, sad day for the rest. Now our country truly has gone the way of Sodom.
    Truly obscene and repulsive!

  • Doc Sarvis

    Gays have been in our military as long as we have had our fighting forces. Fellow soldiers have known about it as well. This just validates or acknowledges that fact. No biggie unless you fear you might have feelings for someone of your own gender.

    • Angel Wannabe

      C’mon Doc, don’t paint us as the bad guys, just because some of us STILL find homosexuality disgusting. I won’t accept that!_

      • Doc Sarvis

        I know; and some people still find mariage between people of different races disgusting – it IS an old fashioned type of prejudice.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          And you are so,so modern. You are a Fool, plain and simple.

        • Angel Wannabe

          DS, Just Another Sympathizer with excuses!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Nadzieja and Angel,

          So easy to call people names. So hard to argue a point.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Doc, For me there is no argument, its wrong, plain and simple!__God said it, I believe him!__

          • Nadzieja Batki

            I called you a Fool, but that is what you are since your own words give you away.
            You are trying to normalize for humans what is predatious behavior among animals. We are classified as humans. When the behavior, you find admirable,appears too often among humans it indicates that humans are no longer behaving as humans but are animalistic.

          • Doc Sarvis

            The Bible also says:

            “One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 23:2)

            “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. ” (1 Peter 2:18)

            and many other strange things.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you have learned to twist the Bible verses like pretzels. Would you like applause for that.

          • Robert Smith

            But Doc, that there brutal christian god loves his sheep!

            Of course, sheep get sheered or eaten but who’s counting?

            Rob

          • Doc Sarvis

            Nadzieja,
            Again, no proof that I am wrong.

          • Angel Wannabe

            NB__Soro’s Media Sheep must get paid today, they’re out in force! :)

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Sheep are prey animals that are put upon by Predators. So you are alluding that most posters on this forum are sheep loved by God and you are the Predatory Animals loved by ?.

          • Robert Smith

            Angel says: “Doc, For me there is no argument, its wrong, plain and simple!__God said it, I believe him!__”

            Let’s hear it for the American Taliban ruled by that there brutal christian god (as opposed to the loving Christian god.)

            Rob

          • Angel Wannabe

            RS,…Do you hear laughter Pharaoh??? :)

          • http://naver samurai

            By how much you and rob smith rant and attack someone’s Christian beliefs shows me you two are the fools here. By doing these things you lose credibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://justin.peoples@att.net justinpeoples

    It is a sad day in america when leaders (or so called) do not reconize perversion.GOD detroyed nations in the past for allowing such bebased open corruption to go on.it is not natural for humans of the same gender to co exist as partners. read (ISA CH 3 )-woe unto them ….they have rewarded evil unto their own souls(quote).PS 9:17
    THE WICKED SHALL BE TURNED INTO HELL AND ALL THE NATIONS THAT FORGET GOD. America is no exception….GOD have mercy on our nation .

    • skippy

      Well said justin. It’s good to know that I am not the ONLY one that has any sense of God’s word. Thank you!!! :)

  • portnoy

    descrimination in all it’s dirty nasty ways should be frounded upon…glad this ulgy part of america’s history is over..

    • Angel Wannabe

      portnoy _ I’m nor sure which is worse, the act of homosexuality itself or the sympathizers….

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The Symphatizers who are the enablers.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Nadzieja Batki, Absoulutely!

          • http://naver samurai

            I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Monte

    The goal of the leftist/Marxist is to destroy the very foundation of our culture, so that they can rebuild it into whatever they think it should be. It is a leftist, utopian scheme like communism. And like communism it denies both freedom and human nature. Therefore, changes must be imposed, forcefully – giving rise to the totalitarian state. In France, Bridget Bardot stated that the Muslims were destroying the country and she was fined for saying so. The hate crime legislation in this country seeks to make it criminal for a preacher to speak out against the wickedness and evil of sodomy. Since Christianity stands in the way of total control, it must be destroyed as well. The cultural revolution that is to take place is the equivalent of driving square pegs into round holes. Never forget that in the Soviet Union 20 million square pegs could not be driven and were exterminated. In China it was 30 million. America has come to represent the egalitarian, multicultural empire, where even queers are normal. And liberty, the original principle, has been discarded as an impediment to this future, godless paradise.

    • Robert Smith

      Yet it is those from the extreme right who shoot doctors, brutalize gays, bomb churches, and generally act nasty to other Americans in the name of their god.

      The American Taliban is the way I see it and I will resist in all socially acceptable ways. It’s my DUTY as an American to assure we don’t submit to religious control.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        RS, yeah, were B*stards that way! :)

      • Monte

        It is your freedom to speak and believe what you will, no matter how perverted, evil, or stupid. Death is eternal and you will answer. I, too, have the freedom to make my own opinons and voice them. To be denied that freedom, which is the goal of the left, is totalitarian, unjust, and as evil as everything else they represent – just like the Taliban. Leftist dreams of untopia are merely a replacement for religion, driven by a fanatical faith in secular humanism. Satan is very clever. I trust to a higher authority than man, one that says homosexuality is an abomiantion. It has been condemned as wickedness. Therefore, I abhor it and will never consent, agree, or accept it. You are free to speak, but I am just as free to not listen or be filled with disgust. Your choices are yours alone and don’t requre my acceptance. But, like a thief, your choices are brought to judgement, whether in this life or the next.

        • Robert Smith

          Good one Monte, but why don’t you leave the judgement to that brutal god you worship so much? Who are you to judge?

          Rob

          • Angel Wannabe

            RS, In that case, who are you to judge us, you do the same?…I hear laughter Pharaoh!:)

          • Monte

            You talk nonsense. But then, atheists are the product of nonsense.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Monte, I’m not so sure these idiot Progressives on here today are really that demented or they’re paid to act that way for the day, me thinks the pay does it!…

          • Karolyn

            It seems that as time passes, your remarks get more and more ridiculous Angel. Like we would NEED ti be paid to assert our point of view. Why is it that someone always has to bring up that stupid allegation?

          • http://naver samurai

            Who are you talking to? You’ve been doing that to any patriot or Christian on this site since day 1. You’re the biggest hypocrite on this site. Need to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, C’mon K, we get this!___ why do you, an obvious Liberal Leaner, come on a well known Conservative site and bash our way of thinking, when you know damned well, the kind of reaction your going to get before hand. You can’t tell me your THAT STOOPID OR NAIEVE…I ain’t buying it! The only reason your doing is (1) Ya get paid and its your job to rile the sheep or (2) Ya got nothing better to do!

            Personally_I think Your a Praticing Alinski-ite, who plays the air headed, but “I love everybody” kinda sometimes-sorta hald assed Liberal, but when challenged your true Liberalism/Progressivism shows! Tellig us we’re the haters, because we don’t happen to think its right that two men or two women should be together sexually!__I’m gonna say it, YOUR THE ONLY FRICKIN NUT CASE HERE! NUFF SAID!

          • Karolyn

            You are way off base, Angel. Just because I disagree with you, I have to be something I’m not? I’m not the one making jokes at others’ expense and otherwise acting like a 5 year old, Angel. Maybe you haven’t been around when we have actually had intelligent discussions here. I’ve said it before. I’ve learned a lot in my time here; however, there are many things I am passionate about; and it gives me the opportunity to voice my opinion. Why preach to the choir? You may enjoy doing that, but I enjoy debating. Unfortunately, there are very few people who can do that here without resorting to name-calling and denigration, especially when discussing certain topics. Much more is accomplished with civil discourse. It is what it is! I am who I say I am! :-)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel,
            karolyn thinks she’s popeye!! “I yam what I yam!!”

          • http://naver samurai

            Ain’t that the truth Joe H. Ain’t that the truth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Sirian

    Gays that are in our military best be aware that if they start now to flaunt their sexuality – as is very commonplace – they best be armed. There has always been an understanding as to this problem in all branches yet it was never spoken of and let go until recently. They may think they have felt closeted before, give it time. With what they proudly feel they have accomplished their fear factor will multiply. Lord I pray not but do not be astonished if an increase in beatings may start. Once more, this was understood and quietly ignored in all branches. But if this opens the doors to open objections as to how our military is run – benefits, pay, duty assignments etc. – stand back, their proud push will be met with an overwhelming shove!!

    • Robert Smith

      If one of our snipers has polish on his trigger finger that is of no concern to me. What I want him to do is hit his target.

      If you are watching his butt that’s YOUR problem.

      Rob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What are you babbling now?

      • Sirian

        Rob you’re making about as much sense as someone stepping in front of a freight train running at 80 mph. Wait a sec. . . this must be very, very cryptic in its true meaning and I don’t have the correct password to access it. Sorry, I don’t have SCI clearances. Does that sound about right??

      • Angel Wannabe

        RS.. Payday today?

      • http://naver samurai

        You still don’t understand, do you? Since you have never served it would be impossible for you to understand. Oh wait. You said you served, but was it in 1946 or during Vietnam in the navy. I can’t keep your lies straight in my head, due to there being so many. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • eddie47d

        That is another cheap shot Samurai. Doesn’t make any difference where and when he served for his service still counts. Disapproving of his opinion has nothing to do with your insult.

        • http://naver samurai

          How do we know this? If a person keeps giving different dates of when they served, they are not too believeable are they? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • David Rudow

    It wouldn’t matter if these twisted individuals convinced every last person on earth that their “lifestyle” is exeptable, GOD DOES NOT CHANGE, and HE CONDEMS it and EVERYONE WILL answer to HIM!

    • Robert Smith

      Another outburst for Dave’s sponsor, the American christian Taliban.

      Rob

      • Dan az

        Roberta
        I think you may want to find another word to use then taliban because they would just cut yours off for suggesting that they were gay!Even they understand how perverted and destructive it is.How would you like to be in a fox whole underfire with someone that is screaming stop it,time out,this isn’t fair you brutes?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Dan Az, LMAO!!!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Dan asks: “How would you like to be in a fox whole underfire with someone that is screaming stop it,time out,this isn’t fair you brutes?”

          No more than I’d want to be in a foxhole with some nut clutching a book and praying for the bullets to stop. “Oh god, make them stop!” I’m amazed how how often that doesn’t work [not].

          I want someone there who is going to shoot back at the bad guys, gay or christian in the foxhole next to me.

          Rob

          • Angel Wannabe

            , Yer funny RS__You should probably go read some original American history…a lot of the pastors went from the Fire and Brimstone pulpit, and then slipped off his robe, donned a military jacket and went straight to the battle field with guns a blazing…I think in you utopic rhetoric today, its referred to Multi-tasking!! :)

          • Dan az

            I hear laughter roberta! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

            :) :) :) :)
            look there is a picture of where he gets thoughts or just having lunch. :)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az,
            It’s a picture of him looking for eddie!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Angel is right Rob. AMOF that many colonial chaplain joined the Continental Army to fight the British. They were known as the Black Robe Regiment. Look up your history and find them.

            http://www.wallbuilders.com

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said Samurai, Wallbuilders David Barton, the Best Original History on the net!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you, fellow patriot! BTW Sook Young says hello. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            samurai, Tell sook young I said hello too!__Good to see you folks on, I haven’t been on much all summer__too much going on_Have to make up for lost time! :)

          • eddie47d

            Joe and Dan aren’t the only sick ones making comments about soldiers diddling in the fox hole. That is probably as rare as a Martian mating with a Leprechaun.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert,
            hey dumbazz, show me where I said that was going on?? your alenskyite training won’t work here, boob!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            SCUZE ME!! I meant eddie! eddie rob, rob eddie same ole same ole!!

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s because they are brothers, Joe H. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry dude, but those opportunities are only available to muslims idiot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Patriot II

    Pretty soon the only peopele who will want to be in the Military will be Gays, and once again they will be on one side and the straights on the other. No this will not fly, unless we want a military made of up of all Homosexuals. Once our enemies find out, (today) it is all over but the (I can imagine) Yes this is yet another step for the OWG to use PC to destroy our Power, in order to exploit our Natural Resources.

    • Doc Sarvis

      The military has been a mixed population (hetero & homosexuals) the whole time we have had the military! We have the best fighting forces in the world and that has always included this mixed population.

      These are professional soldiers who have a high degree of discipline and moral character.

      • Patriot II

        Doc, you are talking out your PC Ideology, I don’t think you live in the REAL World, Nor does it sound like you have ever been in the Military, if you have you were in a Fog.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Patriot, I did my four years in the USN. I knew gays and simply didn’t care. I had other things to worry about.

          Rob

          • Dan az

            I’ll bet you dropped the soap quite often! Long days at sea some times months,We now understand where your coming from.ROBERTA

          • Doc Sarvis

            Robert Smith, it is obvious that Dan az is unable to make a valid argument.

          • Earl

            I also spent 6 years in the USN, and I can safely say that of all the services, The Navy is by far the most “gay talking and joking about” of the services. Dropping the soap is one of the oldest jokes in the Navy…I used to hear it constantly.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            doc,
            sounds pretty valid to me!!! robert probably played soap rope-a-dope quite a lot!!! That’s why he supports it so hard, he’s one of them!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Ha, ha, ha, ha! Dan and Joe are very funny. If Rob was in my platoon, I forsee him having company showers and blanket parties. Maybe even being the middle man of a circle jerk. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            How did you do 4 years with the navy, when you were drafted for 2 years? I don’t forsee you reupping. Are you saying it was different than 1946 or Vietnam? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            The main rope-a-dope I see here is you Joe H. Don’t worry Joe you aren’t alone.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            HEY KIDDIES!! YOUR GRANDPA eddie GOT TO THECOMPUTER AGAIN!!!BETTER WATCH HIM A LITTLE CLOSER!!!

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Vieteravet

            There’s your answer, Smitty was in the Navy, they were a little more tolerant,nod-nod wink-wink nudge-nudge (Monty Python)

      • Angel Wannabe

        Doc Sarvis, normalizing that of which_ isn’t normal??_-That’s what your promoting!__What’s next on the menu Doc, Beastiality?_Sex with anything that moves__Ever heard of the Minnows of Rome???

        Your selfisly speaking for yourself, and not for the innocents who in the future, have to be confused by this crap!

        You New Ager’s need an Utopian world all your own__then when God has had enough of you, he can blow you butts off The face of the earth, just like he Did when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

        • Doc Sarvis

          Being left handed, red headed, or color blind is not “normal” either. I do hope you don’t have something against people with those traits. In fact, when you look close we are all different. Each of us is different with unique traits. I think a move toward “normal” is what genocide tries to achieve.

          If you had read my other posts you would have observed that I advocate accepting the love between Consenting adults.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Doc, it makes no difference Doc HOW you mean it consenting or not__if the majority of the people think this lifestyle is to be tolerated, that opens the door to more and more perversions to be “Accepted” and “Tolerated”_ and will eventually corrupt our youth. Sorry but there has to be things left in life the you “WON’T” do!

          • Monte

            I believe YOU are different – your head is screwed on backwards. An atheist has no sense of right or wrong except what he makes up as he goes along and that can change form one moment to the next. 20 years ago queers were known as evil perverts. What has changed? I trust to a higher authority than that. The West was known as Christiandom with a long, long history. Those are the laws I set my life by. Secular humanism is a silly, evil and hopeless replacement.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “Sorry but there has to be things left in life the you “WON’T” do!”

            I won’t follow Phelps carrying a sign “God Hates Fags.”

            Rob

          • Angel Wannabe

            Who the H*ll is Phelps?

          • Dan az

            Angel
            Phelps is that nut job baptist that goes to the funerals of the soldiers that died and calls them fags,You know the one that Doc seems to group all of us in with.Mental midget!!! :)

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thanks Dan Az, I’ve heard of them plenty, but Wasn’t aware of what the guys name was, who ran the church!

  • http://n/a John Beach

    It does give new meaning to “There are no atheists in foxholes.”

    • Robert Smith

      Actually John, there are!

      Take a look at: http://www.militaryatheists.org/expaif.html

      While you are at it you may consider not posting anymore falsehoods. I hear some gods don’t like that.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer Rob! When the heavy fighting starts, everyone prays to get out alive. This counts the atheists also. Many people convert to Christianity during war time. I guess that you are too dense to understand that. I’m speaking from experience, as I have observed this in Afghanistan and Iraq. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Robert Smith

        Actually John, there are!

        While you are at it you may consider not posting anymore falsehoods. I hear some gods don’t like that.

        Rob
        Excellent post.Now if we can close that obnoxious mouth of samurai.He is without a doubt the rudest person on here.He never does back up any of his statements and when proven wrong he resorts to childish name calling.

        Karolyn; excellent post about the brave gay soldier.My hat is off to both of you.Keep up the good work.

        • http://naver samurai

          Not any more rude then you 3 bozos calling someone a liar or very ignorant if they disagree with you. Need to start looking in the mirror more, coal dungger. Also, the day I have to apollogize to you, rob, or any other left wing nut job on this site, satan will be having snowball fights in hades. It’s called freedom of speech, do you like it? You should. It’s a God given right, written in the Constitution by Christian founding fathers, many brave men fought and die for, and I served and protected your backside for 20 years providing you with these freedoms you hold so dear. I’ve never heard anyone on the left tell me thank you, but I have from fellow patriots on this site. So what’s up? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • My2cents

    This whole issue can become a pain in the butt

    • Raggs

      LOL a pain in the butt… I’m sure that the taxpayers will fund the military with all of the petroleum they need.

      • Dan az

        Raggs
        Just don’t share the lip baum!Now I’m grossing my self out!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Dan Az__ OMG, Your a sick pup!!!..LMAO!!!

          • Dan az

            :) :)

        • http://naver samurai

          I guess they’ll be the butt of many jokes. Yep, no butts about it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          P.S. Just be careful where you sit. You may feel a poke.

          • Angel Wannabe

            samurai_-ROFLMAO!!!! :)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            We really shouldn’t be picking on eddie so much. After all, he IS a fairy nice guy!!! OH, DID I DROP A LETTER? NOPE!!

          • Karolyn

            Joe – You illustrate perfectly the general male hetero attitude – infantile. You sound like a 12-year-old.

      • Robert Smith

        From Raggs: “I’m sure that the taxpayers will fund the military with all of the petroleum they need.”

        Can’t. There is a shortage of petroleum jelly because of what George Bush did to America.

        Rob

        • Angel Wannabe

          RS… well Bush musta handed Bam Bam the Jar then…..I’m still hearing laughter Pharaoh…

          • Dan az

            Sorry Angel that was just me :) :) :) :) :)
            I hate it when gays try and push this crap on everyone and call us hate mungers,you know like doc and roberta doe’s hey ya don’t think they, Nah I think there just by.I don’t give a damn what they do in there closet,Just don’t push it on our children to accept perversion as normal.You can do what ever you want to your pets I don’t care get it!!!

          • eddie47d

            They’ll leave the bestiality to you Dan. LOL

          • http://naver samurai

            Why do you defend gays so much ed? If you are a Christian, you must be anti-gay lifestyle. You know God calls it a sin. Coal dungger talks about being rude, but I’ve never suggested that a person on this site has sexual relationships with animals. I may name call, but this takes the cake ed. Do you still get tingles down your leg? Are you still being sexually aroused when Obama bin Laden speaks? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • ted meskers

    Putting gays in the same barracks as straight people is no different that putting a straight man in a barracks filled with women recruits. It doesn’t work. If you’re not gay, would you like to take a shower with gays leering at your “private” parts? If you think there’s no difference by having gays in your barracks, then you pick up the soap.

    • Robert Smith

      Ted goes for the old cleche’: “If you think there’s no difference by having gays in your barracks, then you pick up the soap.”

      Really… Can you document even ONE such attack?

      Common sense says that one gay guy ain’t gonna jump your butt with a bunch of straight guys around who will pound a rapist into the ground as a bloody pulp if that is the case.

      Why are you lying to support your bigotry?

      Rob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why are you making up lies against the posters who disagree with your behavior?

      • Dan az

        Apparently Roberta you have never seen the insides of a jail.To bad maybe then you would understand.Or not maybe you would like to be someones beauche!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Dan Az, more truth to that than fiction! A kid we know was in jail, four months, they took 30 second to shower, to keep the pervs off of them_

          • Karolyn

            And I would doubt that any of those “pervs” was gay. Surely You must know that rape in prison is used as a control and power thing, just like rape of women by men anywhere.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karaolyn, yeah, I kinda picked up on that….

          • http://naver samurai

            I have to agree with you on this one Karolyn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • ted meskers

        As far as I know, I made up that phrase of “picking up the soap” a while back – I didn’t know it was so wildly circulate. You seem to thind there is no different between the sexes. News Flash, Bob, if your father didn’t get exited about your mother, you wouldn’t be here. If any man (I’m sorry, Bob, I meant to say any asexual person who has male equip.)watches TV or a movie and is exposed to a woman who is attractive and sexy, men will like the feeling they get. That being the case, gay men also get a feeling too, but they are looking at other men. That’s the way it works. It’s not being biased, it’s being honest. Taking another tangent, if the service ever allows men to share the barracks of women recruits, sign me up! Now let’s say they put me in a barracks filled with gay women, I’ll still take the job. Most straight people understand this premise – I’m puzzled why you don’t.

        • Angel Wannabe

          TM, its referred to as “playing drop the soap” the action and term was played by couples taking a shower together…today it can be played with your dog….since anything goes….B/C we have to “accept it”(tongue in cheek)….buncha idiots

        • http://?? Joe H.

          ted,
          That phrase was around when I was a kid! I’m 60, so I doubt you made it up!!

      • ted meskers

        Honesly Bob, I thought I was the one who made up that phrase years ago. I’m flattered that it got such interest.

        I’m not worried about an “attack” – if they put me in a barracks filled with women recruits, I don’t believe they’d appreciate me checking out their bodies or raising more than my eyebrows.

        By the way, if they ever allow men to share living space with females, I think I’d sign up right away. Oh, so lets take it to a differnt level- suppose they allowed men into a barracks filled with gay women – do you think the women would like it? I don’t think so either.

        There isn’t any bias, Bob – it’s just the facts of life. Your position is wrong-headed but I don’t dislike you for it – as an aside, they’ve tried to do this in another country and it was deemed a failure. Why? Because there the sexes are differnt.

    • Doc Sarvis

      you also disrespect the professionalism and discipline of our fighting forces.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Prove all that you say.

        • Doc Sarvis

          So you also think little of the professionalism and discipline of our fighting forces?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you can twist words. Would you like a gold star for that?

          • Jeep

            Gosh Doc, I just can’t seem to keep up with you. Is today the day you like the military? Usually, you have nothing good to say about us…I suppose your “encouraging” remarks on professionalism just suits your purposes and agenda for this argument. Please, forward a memo of your attitude daily or at least put out a liberal guide so that those of us who are little bit behind your moral greatness will know which days you are supportive or disparaging of our armed forces.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Jeep, I seriously doubt I have said anything against the military. I do oppose certain policy choices our country has made but have the highest respect for our armed forces.

          • Jeep

            Doc, if that is the case, then fine…I am not about to argue your feelings. They are yours and you are certainly entitled to them. But, the military has a job and a function, that is to simply to protect our country. Period. Although it is arguable that some social engineering changes were for the better, it is never cut and dry. Take integration for example. I have seen plenty of prejudice and reverse racism in my years which is a direct result of integration. Was integration bad? Absolutely not, of course. There will be bad from this change. The question is, will the bad outweigh the good, or will the good outweigh the bad?

  • Jeep

    Libs are a silly and hypocritical breed…Having served my country for almost 30 years, and having earned four battle ribbons along with three Purple Hearts I think I have a valid opinion. So here it is, who cares about gays in the military? Not me. Not a whole lot of others who have served with me either. To us it comes down to two problems. First, straight up economics. The military is already paying a large amount of its budget to support family members. A huge portion actually. So, all you libs want to cut the budget, and yet you want to open the door to a whole new class of dependants that must be cared for. Who is going to pay for that? Of course, military dependants play a vital role in military preparedness, but now you would allow a whole new set of dependants that have need of housing, medical, dental, moving expenses and a host of other associated costs. But, that is not a consideration when it comes to the social agenda. Second, no one is afraid of being “attacked” in the shower. But, there is a prevailing “machismo” culture that, right or wrong, serves to give our military the edge is required when engaging our enemies. This act may very well reduce that edge. I’ve seen men (and women) turn tail and run when receiving incoming. But, most stick it out and perform admirably. No doubt this is because of the camaraderie developed over 200+ years of history. Personally I liked “don’t ask, don’t tell”. I don’t care if the guy next to me is gay or not…I just don’t care to discuss it. And, when the day is done, I really don’t want to see his husband’s picture hanging inside his wall locker. Call me what you want, but I am sure I have served with many gays and lesbians, just don’t shove it in my face and make me pay for it.

    • Doc Sarvis

      So if doing the right thing costs a bit of money (that we never acknowledged before) we should continue to do the wrong thing?

      • Jeep

        You are usually on the “cut military the budget” bandwagon…just thought I would point that out. I have my own personal opinions on all military dependants that may seem too harsh for many. But, the last time I checked the military is supposed to defend our nation from enemies, foreign and domestic. It is NOT a social welfare program or a testbed for social programming. Go back to your books doc, you are picking a fight where none exists.

  • Gringo Infidel

    Blanket party has a new meaning under the usurper in the WH.

    PURGE THEM ALL.

  • hitthedeck

    The tube had the Marine lesbian with tears in her eyes who said she could now be openly Gay in the Marines. Now she has pride to be gay above proud to be a Marine. Psychologists have stated that some people who are mentally ill become gay to hid their mental illness and be accepted in the gay community. A marine could feel very insecure in a combat situation with a Marine whose mentality is protected by law. The other situation is Officers who are gay with the power of command over straight enlisted Marines. What will prevent the misuse that power in the Military?

    • Karolyn

      “Psychologists have stated that some people who are mentally ill become gay to hid their mental illness and be accepted in the gay community”

      Oh, really? Can you cite this please? Just another statement that someone will take as gospel that has not been shown to have fact to back it up.

  • nw

    Phedophila is their next agenda. They want it taught in school that it’s okay for a adult to have sex with a child. Like in the days of Lot, Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed. God said it is an abomination.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Where do you get this stuff???

      • Karolyn

        That’s how ridiculous rumors get started. They just want to keep stoking that fire of hate!

        • eddie47d

          nw; It just gets better with you reich wingers! What a dog and pony show you dream of.

  • David

    Getting away from the “pissing contest” going on above, let me add this . . .

    Now that these people can openly state that they are gay and act accordingly, this will open the door for a HUGE number of lawsuits against the military . . . Why ? ( keep reading )

    Some potential “reasons”:

    (1) A soldier claims that they were repeatedly, “unfairly” assigned to the same duty because of their sexual preference.

    (2) A soldier claims “sexual harassment” because of their sexual preference.

    (3) A soldier claims that they are “unable” to perform a certain duty and are “put on report”, yet their position is that their superior officer did not respect their “limitations” and punished them because of their sexual preference.

    (4) “Hazing”, likely during Boot Camp but possibly later on as well, claimed to be due to their sexual preference,

    (5) ETC, ETC, ETC ! ! !

    The repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is a “PANDORA’s BOX” . . . Time will tell !

    For the record, I am an Evangelical Southern Baptist and hold the position that homosexuality is a Sin in God’s eyes.

    God sent His Son, Jesus, to be born and live among humans as one of us, to suffer the things that we all go through, and then allowed us to crucify Him. He died on that Cross, was buried in a stone tomb, and rose from the dead on the third day. He did all of this to provide a way for sinful Man to have a means to be forgiven of Sin and to be worthy, in the eyes of God the Father, to have eternal life and to enter into Heaven.

    Jesus paid the price for your sins and for mine. To claim this gift of salvation, forgiveness, and eternal life, you must willingly and genuinely accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. This is a decision that only you can make.

    If you believe that you are a sinner, as is everyone, and you want the peace, love, and joy that comes from having a personal relationship with God, please open your heart and earnestly pray this prayer:

    Lord Jesus,

    I am a sinner and know that I deserve an eternity of punishment in Hell for my sins. I believe that You are the Son of God and that You came to Earth to pay the price for my Sins. I ask You to be my personal Lord and Savior and to come into my heart and completely fill me with your Holy Spirit. Forgive me my sins, cleanse me from all unrighteousness, and abide with me forever. Thank You , Lord Jesus for loving me and saving me !

    Amen

    If you sincerely prayed that prayer, you are now a Christian. The next thing you should do is to find a local Bible-believing, church to help you grow in your faith and to learn more about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The prayer you prayed above is the start and now you should seek to learn more and grow stronger in your faith.

  • Raggs

    Hasn’t barrackula painted himself into a corner?
    Meaning that Palestine is looking for a “statehood” and no doubt barrackula will support them ( throwing Israel under the bus yet again ) and if barrackula doesn’t support Palestine and he opts to favor Israel ( highly unlikley ) he will throw Palestine under the bus.
    I believe that barrackula will support the muslims over Israel.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Raggs_ I love it, Barrakula???__LMAO!!!

    • LEONARD

      He will support Palestine because he himself is a Muslim . He is just like Hitler . You see Hitler hated himself because he was part Jew, and part German. BHO hates himself because he is part White and part black. If you read : AUDACITY Of ANGER , there he tell you : I hate white men and Brown men that don’t think like me or have the same believes as I. yOU MUST KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHO IS OCCUPYING THE White House. Have you notice that all he has brought into the White House is nothing but trash.

  • Robert Kepka

    I think this discussion serves to show the different strong opinions that exist concerning Gays in the military. These opinions will not be changed by mandate. They exist here as well as in the military. This is destructive and will not make for a better military. Maybe a better solution would be to have separate gay and straight military units. They can both serve equally and it would eliminate the disharmony within the units.

    • Jeep

      Why don’t we ask the Brits how their policy of allowing gays to serve openly worked out for them…Well, I guess that’s a moot point considering they repealed that policy since it didn’t work out so well. Wait for it…I can already hear the resident libs saying, “but we’re better than that!” You know, the same ones that call the military mercenaries and baby killers.

      • Dan az

        Jeep
        Yep and who pray tell is killing 50 million babies?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Dan az,what are you trying to say? Your comment to Jeeps didn’t make sense.

        • Jeep

          Dan…uhhh…what?

          • Dan az

            Jeep
            “You know, the same ones that call the military mercenaries and baby killers.”
            The very same people that want abortions duh!Roe vs wade sense its inception there has been the genocide of 50 million babies.And they call us military baby killers!Pretzel logic!

          • Jeep

            Sorry Dan! Got it… I know that you and I are almost always on the same page, I just mis-interpreted your comment! I am with you my brother. BTW I was raised in Tucson, but have become a son of Virginia.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Take a bow. You will be noted in history among the other appeasers and compromisers. Or at best history will forget you.

  • hitthedeck

    Liberals make stupid laws because they don’t have the common sense to know what is correct unless it is politically correct which they invented to protect stupidity. The open gay law in the military is a stupid law. The law that should have been passed should have been the (None of Your Business Law)! It’s none of your business if it’s my religion, political views or sexuality unless it is a conflict of business. When homosexuals parade their views and actions in the military they are interfering with business and should be reprimanded. There is also the type of male homosexual that acts like a giddy little girl and a lesbian who acts like a man. The military doesn’t need those types of personalities that interfere with the business of military operations. A soldier must act like a soldier and maintain an honorable appearance while protecting our country.

  • Dennis

    This whole gay thing will eventually destroy the United States of America, just like it destroyed the Roman Empire. The family unit of marriage between one man and one woman is the backbone of our society and our backbone is being broken. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. He said so in His own words. I don’t really care if you don’t like what I just said. I filter everything through the “eyes” of the Bible. You can rip the Bible up, throw it away, even burn it if you like but you cannot and will not ever be able to change what it says. God’s Word will live on and survive forever.

    • hitthedeck

      Dennis —Gays did not bring down the Roman Empire! Overspending did along with emigrants living off Roman welfare. History is repeating its self in this country.
      As far as Gods word goes! Progressives will do everything to silence Gods word and replace it with the word of the government.

      • Dennis

        Depends on where you go to get your information.

        Roberto De Mattei, 63, the deputy head of the country’s (Italy) National Research Council, claimed that the empire was fatally weakened after conquering Carthage, which he described as “a paradise for homosexuals”.

        Prof Mattei claimed that it was as the capital of Rome’s North African provinces that Cartagena became a hotbed of sexual perversion, gradually influencing Rome itself, which eventually fell to barbarian tribes in 410 AD.

        The fall of the Roman Empire was a result of “the effeminacy of a few in Carthage, a paradise for homosexuals, who infected the many. The abhorrent presence of a few gays infected a good part of the (Roman) people.”

      • Dennis

        Oh, and you are correct on one thing. History is most certainly repeating itself and it is not good.

    • Karolyn

      I just don’t get it. Why would you think that the marriage between one man and one woman would be affected at all by anything homosexuals do? People will continue to marry and propagate. Why on earth do you feel so threatened?

      • http://naver samurai

        We are not threatened, we just get tired of their unnatural lifestyle being thrown in our faces. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          samurai – If it affects you, it’s YOUR fault. The power people have to affect us is something that we give them.

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn, the only thing I would give these people is the power of my size 10 steel toe combat boots going up their arse. Wait a minute! They might like that, being gay and all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Believe me Karolyn, I don’t give anything to the powers that be.

          • Jeep

            It sure is! Like the EPA, NEA, IRS, et al.

          • Karolyn

            So, samurai, you don’t understand what I was saying? I wasn’t talking about powers-that-be. I am saying that if you are upset by someone, it’s not their fault; it’s yours because you have given over your power to them. It’s YOUR reaction that counts, not their action.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn— c’mon that crap of handing angry power over to that of which you oppose, only works some instances. Your way of thinking can also be used to sub-out the real reason for the conflict in the first place…C’mon K we all of are smarter than that…its a tactic!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – If somebody makes you angry, it is NOT their fault. We have control of our own emotions. They are just doing it and have no control over someone else’s emotions. It’s a copout to say that “so and so MADE me angry” or “He hurt my feelings.” (Did he have a feeling-hurter?) I am responsible for my feelings and reactions to whatever I encounter.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Then why are you so upset if someone disparages gays? If it upsets them, it’s their fault!! don’t like what someone says to you here and it upsets you? YOUR FAULT!!! Don’t argue with me lady, it’s your train of thought!! I think it’s kinda derailed, but…………

          • Karolyn

            Joe – That’s why I laugh so much when reading responses here! If your responses to me hurt, it’s my fault. As far as standing up for gays; I do it for anyone who is the brunt of hatred. Did you hear about the latest kid who killed himself at 15 because he was gay and bullied? People like you perpetuate that attitude; and it just ain’t right!

          • Karolyn

            Joe – Do you serously believe that someone else is responsible for your feelings? Unbelievable!

          • http://naver samurai

            You are part right Karolyn. We are responsible for our own actions 100%, but the part you and they are forgetting is you must also accept the repercussions that come back on you because of your decisions. They may take responsibility for their actions, but gays never accept any repercussions that come back on them. If a gay came up to me and waved his lifestyle in my face, he should be prepared for the repercussions that are about to befall him. Understand? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Angel Wannabe

    We already know what this current mess of politicians are trying to do, they’re taking moral ism/religion out of the equation and replacing it with humanism___Our leaders, laws and lawyers should either stay the h*ll out of these matters, or do and say something to promote decency.
    We as parents/grandparents have gotten better at monitoring what our kids are exposed to as well. Whether we like it or not our youth watches TV & reads, they STILL look up to these Jackazz Leaders we have today, and whatever they seem to approve of, so goes the Nation of Youth.__Eventually its taught in schools. Next they’ll be teaching Lucy and Jimmy, if you don’t like being a boy or a girl, “don’t Worry”, you can always change your sex!__

    I get it_we are a Republic, who use to Govern ourselves, but we’ve allowed the Socializing of America to happen, by not being vigilant.
    We’ve allowed the true difference between “Right and Wrong” to be replaced by the word “tolerance”.(Humanist) As it stands now, wrong doing is being promoted as right, and we can’t even rely on our frickin’ leaders anymore to help us turn it around, because they’re part of the problem__Secular Humanism has never worked and DOES NOT WORK NOW!

  • Dale on the left coast

    An old Scot told me a story once of a hospital during WWII . . . seemed while he was a patient there was an orderly that was a little strange. During the nite he would fondle the patients, many who were seriously injured and were helpless. As the Scottish lad became more mobile and healthy, he lay awake one night waiting for the visitation. The orderly appeared, fondling under the sheets . . . when he got to the Scot . . . he grabbed the orderly and threw him down the stairs. Problem solved.
    I suspect in the brave new world of the military, unsolicited advances will occur, and will be dealth with in a similar fashion.
    Most of these folks think with their third leg . . . always planning their next conquest. I have seen this with my own eyes in my home town, during an exposition several years back, the heterophobes would gather where teenage male workers got off work . . . to proposition and harass them. Only threats of violence seemed to cool their aggression.
    Homosexuality is a dimented/learned lifestyle . . . subject to health issues and a much shorter lifespan. Why would any thinking person choose to live this way???

    • Karolyn

      Let’s face it Dale, most men in general are want to think with their “third leg.” :-)

      • Patriot II

        Karolyn; True, what does that third Leg have in it that God CREATED, to join with inSIDE a Woman resulting in a Human Child? Why did God Create that stuff inside a man to swim upstream and join with that tiny littel egg inside a female. Why did he create that?

      • http://naver samurai

        Talking about something that you miss or are deprived of? Our third leg is needed for the reproduction of children. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Robert

    the issue of “gay” is that it goes right to the creation of humans as told by our Creator in the book of Genesis in the Bible. God created us as male-and-female and the first command after that was to populate the earth. no other consideration was given for any other relationship. therefore, claiming any other relationship as equal to marriage is a direct assault on one’s Creator and this will not go unpunished by our Creator. no one shows up on this earth except through the only approved male-and-female relationship as created by our God. homosexuals cannot propagate their own species naturally although they are trying through science (good luck with that), which makes homosexuality unnatural and an act of rebellion against one’s Creator. God is not mocked, whatever we sow we shall reap. If we sow rebellion against our Creator, we will then reap eternal death as stated in the scriptures. consequently, we must not support homosexuality ever, because our Creator has not made us that way.

    • Karolyn

      The story of Adam and Eve is a myth like most of the Bible. That, and copying from older religions.

      • Patriot II

        Karolyn,

        Let’s just suppose there is even the slightest chance you are wrong. Are you OK with Burning in Hell for eternity?, are you willing to take that chance, God will allow you to Come to him anytime before your physical body dies, he Loves you unconditionally, but he allows you only so much time to Choose him over Satan.

        • Karolyn

          Patriot – I used to feel that way – living in fear because of God’s wrath if I did anything wrong. I don’t anymore! :-) My belief is love, plain and simple; and reincarnation – that God is a Universal intelligence that we are all a part of. There is no hell! Energy never dies, only the human body; and our spirit is energy. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe; and we both are right! :-)

          • http://naver samurai

            What weed have you been smoking? Jamaican? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            samurai, what ever it is she’s been smoking, is definately tainted!

          • Karolyn

            No, you guys, I don’t smoke pot. I just have an open mind and like to explore all the possibilities that exist in the univere. Thinking outside the box is very freeing. Glad I’m not stuck in a little stifling cubicle of thought.

          • http://naver samurai

            There is nothing wrong with exploring the universe, Karolyn. You just have to be able to process what is good and bad information. What is right and what is wrong. Their lifestyle is wrong by what is moral, ethical, natural, and ordained by God. If you can’t see that, then you are just a blind person leading another blind person and you both fall into the ditch. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe & samurai,
            karolyns mind is so open it’s draining out her left ear!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        You lie Karolyn. We know that you are actually talking about the Quaran. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James

    I’m curious, Leviticus 20:13 says that homosexual acts are an “abominaation” and that God wants them put to death, wants them removed from His kingdom. How many, here, really believe that’s what God wants?

    • Patriot II

      James,
      you either believe everything the Bible says, none of it, or some of it. I’m not sure where in the Bible it talks about putting other types of sinners to Death. In any event, that is the OT, in the NT he has sent his One and Only Son as a Blood Sacrifice, so that who ever beleives in Him (His Son and His Son’s Sacrifice), can be forgiven. It is also a Choice to belive or not beleive that.

      I beleive this; God Hates all sin IN US, Not us. So in other words Chirstians say: “Hate the Sin not the Sinner” So Yes, we need to Hate Sin, All Sin, not just the Sin of Homosexuality, and Love the person who sins. The Bible does not say Okay if you want to change it you can decide if Homosexuality is Not a Sin. We are not able to make that decision, only God can, He writes the Rules not us.

      • James

        Patriot II, Where correctly translated, I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, the entire Bible. And Leviticus lists several of the over twenty capital offenses in the Bible. Concerning that law, Jesus said (Mt. 5:17-19): “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (A ‘jot’ is the smallest letter and a ‘tittle’ is the smallest part of a letter.)

      • James

        Patriot II, Concerning capital offense sins, John (1 John 5:16-17) wrote: “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death; I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin; and there is a sin not unto death.”
        John, the Disciple that Jesus loved, said capital offfense sins are not to be forgiven. If capital offense sins were to be forgiven, one could kill, be forgiven, kill again, be forgiven, etc. etc.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      I believe it. A pervert is a pervert.

  • Palin12

    G.A.Y.= Got AIDS Yet?

    BTW, why do they call themselves gay? All the ones I worked with were not happy people, they were chronic whiners and complainers. Always running to the supervisor to complain, while the rest of us were working short-handed to get the work out.

    • Palin12

      PS On an unrelated note, I can hardly wait till tomorrow for Maxine Waters to label cop-killer Troy Davis as a civil rights hero.

  • DC/Tex

    This is just another step in the fall of a once great nation. The homosexual agenda is the absolute worst disease on the morals of the USA and the world. Homosexuals ARE NOT BORN THAT WAY so homosexuality does not qualify as a civil rights discrimination issue.

    • Angel Wannabe

      DC/Tex…Hear, Hear!

    • Karolyn

      Oh, are you a genetecist, an anthropologist, a biologist, psychologist, what? You KNOW that gays are not born that way. How do you know that? They are the only ones who KNOW.

      • http://naver samurai

        We know there is no gay gene. Why do you moronic people always bring up that arguement, when it has already been refuted many times on this site? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          I would hope that you are aware that we all start out as female, right? Then, according to the chromosomes present, it is ascertained what sex the child will be. Well, when a woman does not have enough testosterone in her, and is carrying a male child, he is born gay. When she has too much testosterone and a female child, she is born lesbian. Have you never heard this theory? I read it in a book called “Why Men Don’t Listen and Women Can’t Read Maps,” about the differences in men and women.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            how many sites do you want that state that it is not genetic??? I bet I could put at least twenty up. Show me a site that says that AFTER UN-BIASED RESEARCH!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Theories don’t hold water, but facts do Karolyn. Stop with your progressive professor’s teachings and wake up. Also, if I remember right, Adam was created before Eve. Ergo, we all didn’t start off as female did we? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – Adam & Eve is a fairytale. There are myths in all religions about how it all began; and we all really do start out female. Read some biology.

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn, you woke up early just to post a bald faced lie on this site? Sheesh! When will the nonsense stop? Nothing in the Bible is a fairy tale. The only fairy tale around here is you trying to be human. Since you said you have read the Bible, I suggest that you read it again and learn what it says. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • simian pete

    So President Obama and the US military are now against God. Amazing !

    • Karolyn

      Oh, really? Where does God say that gays can’t be in the military? :-)

      • http://naver samurai

        Where does he say they can? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • James

        If God wants them put to death (Leviticus 20:13), He obviously doesn’t want them anywhere, at least in this life.

        • simian pete

          If God becomes our enemy – what hope is there ? None. Nada. Zip !!!

          You can’t fake reality. Obama is doing this because he can. Obama has the military on his side. Might makes Right ….

          They sure don’t like Christians in the US government.

  • LEONARD

    BHO told you we ” Are 3 day away from transforming America : Remember Bill Clinton and Hillary they tried and fail. He succeeded, Van Jones also told you . What we’re doing is not working because Glenn Back was exposing them . So , he said . We have to work from the inside out . take small steps. That is what they are doing .To break a country , you must ruin the economy, that is BHO’s job . Why; is there so many that don’t get it ? Next step is how can he justified to build is National police Force, Just as strong as our military , if not stronger . They must create the circumstances . What does that means , Riots .and they are coming. He wants to be Americas first Dictator . That’s why he snicked that law for the Gays, and to get their vote. Now he is playing to the Spanish people . He is not playing to the black community because he knows he has them in is pocket, because they think he is black, which he is not ,he is a Mulato Negro .In any Asian Country he is consider The lowest of a human race. They don’t have room in their Society for people such as he, and he knows that . I could go on and on on the subject.

    • Karolyn

      Glad you didn’t because it’s all a bunch of bull. I keep hearing about these imminent riots. So far crickets. The American people are too apathetic to riot or rebel. Used to be the youth protested, but their parents have spoiled them so much all they care about is getting their new Ipod. These are exciting times, and I can’t wait to see what happens so I can laugh at all the predictors when a new age of enlightenment comes.

  • DanB

    It is had for me to read all these. So much hate. Hate for gays. Hate for those that hate gays. So on and so forth.

    For me, I think my faith tries to teach to love the man and hate the sin. This is a very hard line to walk sometimes and I know I often violate this basic principle. And this topic is one such instance. And, yes, I believe homosexuality is sin. I also believe murder is a sin. The difference between these two sins? You can repent of both, but in the case of murder you cannot restore the life that was taken.

    If repeal of DADT was really to show respect for the men and women who serve America no matter what their sexual orientation, then I would probably be okay with it. Just because I believe homosexuality is sin before God and separates them from God little by little, that does not mean that I should force my beliefs on others. God does not force me to have certain beliefs. Nor did Christ suggest such a policy either that I recall. I seem to think Christ encouraged showing others the way to salvation through love and kindness, probably why the church I attend tries to teach us to love the man but hate the sin. Because if we love the men and women then we can be examples of Christ’s love, for even the Savior of the world dined with sinners and “publicans” during His ministry in the flesh.

    So if I don’t believe the repeal of DADT is about equality and justice, then what do I believe this is about? Well, read many of the comments above. I think this is about dividing America. I think this is about breaking down our military from within, to turn it into something more malleable, something that will actually follow eventual orders to oppress the America people (or at least to spiritually too weak to oppose tyranny from within America). To turn otherwise good men and women into murderers, which I happen to believe is the greater sin. So all you have to do is read the posts above, and read of the stories of men and women killed in the past (before DADT) because sexual orientation, and perhaps this repeal is not about equality and fair treatment, but rather a clever ploy to destroy another foundation of the morality that gives us strength. For the same code that many of us abide by that homosexuality is a sin also comes with the higher commandments; from the Ten Commandments: thou shalt not kill, and from the Law of Christ: love thy neighbor as thyself. So I happen to believe that this whole ploy is to make us violate our moral code and bring us down to a level that we no longer are followers of God but rather followers of men, and as followers of men then mankind becomes our god and we can be easily led by false christs.

    • DanB

      “It is [hard] for me to read all these.”

      I actually stopped reading after a bit when I realized that some of my fears might be well founded, that there was indeed a lot of hate, and then to read examples of murders carried out in the past because of the subject before DADT even was law…. Well, I decided to skip to the end and post that we are illustrating right here what I feared this repeal was really about. About dividing and conquering. Not about equality or freedom. About tearing down. Not about love or compassion.

    • Karolyn

      Thank you for your post, Dan. I do not agree with you, since I believe morality is not strictly the provence of the religious or of Christians. However, it is nice to hear from someone who does not use derogatory remarks or gay jokes to get his point across. I HAD a friend who knew the Bible inside out but talked of wishing she could stand on top of a building and pick gays off with a gun. This is the kind of mindset that is encouraged by so many. Granted, many of the posters here are not that bad; however, several do employ base methods to get a point across that really only gets the point across that they are ignorant.

      I don’t understand why so many believe that this is a grand scheme. Can it not be that a segment of the population is just getting their rights? Why should they have to hide who they are? That is just plain not fair and not the sign of a free country.

      • DanB

        If I trusted politicians, then I would believe this was just a group being given their rights….

        Note: I don’t trust politicians.

        So then I ask “what is in this for the politicians?” That is where I get to the divide and conquer. While many Tea Party followers are libertarian, a vast chunk of the movement is conservative more than libertarian (I myself fall more under conservative than libertarian), so when I consider how to set Americans against the Tea Party and keep their power base in Washington, DC–what better way then to vilify the Tea Party and accentuate the flaws, to bring out the hate–so we can be hated in kind. And to divide the Tea Party movement itself, because a house divided cannot stand. It does not matter that their own “house” is a coalition of “radicals” that will probably stab each in the end. All they need is to divide us, to vilify us, and conquer us first before they turn upon their own alliances. So it is a win-win for progressive politician to repeal DADT. Ironic that DADT was made law under a progressive president wasn’t it? It seems that the very law was also designed to divide and conquer. Pitting Americans against Americans over an issue. And then the repeal of the law does the same thing. This whole law was a gift to the political class from conception, implementation, and now even the repeal. Now they gain the allegiance of those given equal rights (despite the fact that they also ally with groups that believe it is lawful to kill homosexuals), they split the Tea Party from within over an issue about liberty and morals, and by bringing out the hate in the conservatives they can cement several of the alliances they have built against a common enemy…. The only winner in this conflict is the political class. The conservatives will be oppressed, and so they’ll be taught to hate the homosexual instead. The libertarian will be turned against the conservative. Where does the homosexual gain anything here?

        I read a book once that said a manager can discipline an employee and get two different results with only a minor change in the action. So if in both cases the employee is disciplined, what can the manager do to increase the odds that the employee will actually come out of the meeting empowered to do better instead of shattering workplace morale? The key according to the book wasn’t the words used but rather the value the employer gave the employee. If the employee was just a tool, then the outcome was more likely to be negative. If the employee is a human being with value, then there was a better chance of positive outcome. The discipline itself did not have to change. It was the attitude, the value given that changed.

        So when I suspect that politicians are seeing merely tools, a means to an end to maintain their power, I do not think this is going to make anything better in America. In fact, I suspect it will make things worse. And in this scenario, the politicians still win.

    • James

      DanB, “Love thy neighbor” doesn’t trump God’s law, see my Matthew 5 quote above. The Apostle John wrote (1 John 4:3): “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come: and even now already is it in the world.”

      • DanB

        I never said it did trump God’s law. For when Christ gave His Law, he never said that committing adultery was okay now, or murder was acceptable. He actually gave a higher law. To look upon another with lust even, and to not harbor hatred for thy brother. To love them that spitefully use you.

        And when we talk of Christ’s Grace to save us, I never recall Christ saying that it was now okay to commit sin. All I recall is Him asking for our faith and obedience, our hearts, and then He offers to pay the price that Justice demands, a price that we have no means to pay ourselves. He spans the gulf that divides us from God. Only a perfect being could return to God, and then only someone who could make the distance could turn around and give us the hand up we need to live with God. A complete contrast to how corruptible men try to force men to conform to some perceived standard of perfection. Christ lifts us up. Men push us around.

      • Karolyn

        So glad I don’t have to worry about all that! I used to.

        • http://naver samurai

          No, but you should start thinking about how hot it will be when you pass on to the here-after. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Angel Wannabe

    Hey Ya’ll DOW JONES DOWN OVER 500 POINTS!

    • http://naver samurai

      Yep! One point for every billion dollars of Obama bin Laden’s job stimulous bill. Maybe it is a sign from God? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • simian pete

    Remember everyone, the good guys always win in the end …

    Might for Right !

    Justice for ALL !

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Most of us combat vets know that homosexuality is a horrible idea for the military. We, as a society, have been told so long and so often that homosexuality is normal that many people have been brain-washed into accepting it as true; ie: tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Now the public school system is indoctrinating our children into this mind set. One more nail in America’s coffin. I am ashamed of the Joint Chiefs for going along with this acceptance of perversion. Yes I said perversion, Karolyn. Anyone whose identity as a person is centered around their desire to stick their manhood where another man defecates is a pervert in my book and in that of most normal human beings. What’s next libs, beastiality, pedophilia, or God knows what ? How will the military handle the clause in the UCMJ that makes sodomy a crime ? My suggestion is to put them in pink uniforms and make them walk point.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      I got my question about what’s next answered today. The transgenders want to be able to join the military and at some point probably will. The bottom line to this is that it’s an inside job to destroy our military by destroying their morality. Another nail in America’s coffin.

  • fester

    They will get beat down.

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