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Franks Get Frank: Impeach Obama Over DOMA

March 9, 2011 by  

Franks get frank: Impeach Obama over DOMAPresident Barack Obama's refusal to support the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) has led one Republican lawmaker to consider an impeachment of the nation's commander-in-chief.

In an interview with ThinkProgress, Representative Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) said that he would "absolutely" favor impeaching Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder if he could "gain collective support" from other lawmakers. Franks' statement was in response to the President's decision not to defend Section 3 of DOMA, which prohibits the legal recognition of same-sex marriages. The White House advised the Department of Justice to no longer defend the Constitutionality of the law.

Franks condemned the Obama administration for speaking out against the law of the land, which he believes is an impeachable offense. According to the news provider, this isn't the first time Obama has been accused of legal misconduct while in office. Last year, Representative Lamar Smith (R-Texas) hinted at impeaching the President over his immigration laws, while Representative Tim Walberg (R-Mich.) challenged Obama for not providing a birth certificate that proves his legal status.

The American Legion, the largest group of United States war veterans, recently sent a letter to Congressional leaders recommending that lawmakers enforce and defend DOMA. In the letter, Legion National Commander Jimmie L. Foster said that "we oppose all efforts to undermine, alter or otherwise corrupt the institution of marriage." 

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  • http://rorels@sbcglobal.net Lita Z. Biejo

    Obama’s impeachment proceedings should have been started a long time ago and Obama should have been impeached already for all his misconducts and disregarding our constitution. He should not be just impeached but put in prison.

    • Sven

      Why? Because he has different ideals? When did our nation become so petty as to call a different view-point grounds for impeachment? Also, Obama has broken no laws, which makes imprisonment impossible, unless you want our nation to go down the path of tyrants and dictators.Do not be so quick to judge another. You probably do not carry any of the same qualifications Obama does when it comes to political office, which makes your absurd statements even more absurd. Nor can you presume to know the complexities, and pressure, of being president.You can get rid of him in about 1.6 years, so save the hot air for then. One of the faults of our political system is that, by having only 2 polarized parties, no one will ever be happy with our “progress,” if you can call it that, and will always find some stupid,irresponsible, and religiously biased reason for refuting it. All that sec.3 of DOMA does is stigmatize our citizens who happen to be different, this is reminiscent of Jim Crow laws. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” This says that no matter what we are the same and should be treated as such. DOMA can be called unconstitutional because it infringes on liberty and can halt these individuals pursuit of Happiness. By that logic alone DOMA should be struck down by the supreme court. It’s like racism, but the Gay folk are the ones being oppressed now. Our nation has far more to gain by recognizing civil unions than by ignoring them, chiefly, we create a bigger tax base and can increase revenues by taxing Life Partners as couples. Besides, a lot of the anti-gay rhetoric and legislature out there comes from people who bring their religion into the picture, which is just wrong, because these are the same people who complain of being forced to go out of step with their beliefs, which is a major Hypocrisy, because they turn around and create religiously motivated legislation.

      • Tim L.

        BRAVO!

        • grannymae

          I could care less about the marriage thing, let them do what they want but he should certainly be empeached for going against the US Constitution so very many times and he is getting ready to do it again by signing the international green act. I don’t think you people have a clue as to what is going to happen when he does that so let me fill you in. We will no longer be a sovereign country. We will be under the thumb of the United Nations and they will tell us what we can and cannot do in this country. They will control the air we breath, the land we stand on and the ocean we fish and swim in. Any violation of UN or international law concerning those things can get you inprisoned and tried by a international court and you will not have the protection of our constitution like you have right now. You people better get your head out of you butt and stop argueing about Republicans and Democrats (they are one in the same now days) and start finding out where the rich and powerful are leading you. Once we become a part of the new world order you will then be a part of the communist government (socialist). The reason there is nothing getting done about the Mexican boarder is in the new world order there will be no boarders on the entire north American continent. The fastest way to force this country into the new world order is to bankrupt this country and put us so far in debt that we have no chance of ever getting out of debt. When you are cold from a lack of heating oil and hungry because there is no food in the grocery stores, because truckers can’t afford the fuel for their trucks, then maybe you will wake up and cry foul ! If I were you I would check out http://www.CoalitionConservatives.com and financially support them as much as possible. I know all you liberals are screaming bloody you know what but these people may just be the only hope to save your stupid a$$. You are about to loose your country and your freedom. If it happens it will serve you right. I can hardly wait to hear you all complaining when it happens. This stuff has been in the works since the 20′s and it has been helped along by both the democrats and the republicans. We as a people have been duped by both parties and that my friends is disgusting. Al Gore wasn’t pushing global warming just to get rich ( but that was going to be a great side perk for him) he was pushing you into the new world order! Isn’t he a great guy? Already the UN is pushing Obama into making the U.S. the police force in the middle east. Get ready people for your part in the war of armegedon, or the third world war if that is what you prefere to call it. The near future is not going to be nice so just get use to it. If you have had any brains at all you will have stored up some provisions to help you and your families in the near future, if you haven’t, too bad , so sad ! You can say what you want about this post, I really don’t care, I am ready and I will give you this last warning to get yourself ready, but understand this do not come my way if you let yourself get shut out in the cold, like I said I am ready ! Hope you get ready too!

          • Robert Smith

            From granny: “I don’t think you people have a clue as to what is going to happen”

            I want a clue but I just don’t believe you.

            Do you have any real informational sites we can see what you are claiming? You know, something like a copy of the treaty…

            I find it sad that you just don’t have enough credibility as far as I’m concerned. Please don’t take it personally. I don’t think anyone on the extreme right has any credibility.

            Why you might ask! The rich are getting richer. Our medical care is on par with Cuba. The price of gas at the pump isn’t going up because of a shortage. It’s going up because the very rich are trading oil futures knowing that someone will always pony up more because eventually they know we’ll pay the pain at the pump.

            Rob

            Rob

      • spitfire

        Sven Please eat Poop and die.

        • karolyn

          Wow! That’s really intelligent!

          • James in NY

            It shows the wingnuts have nothing of substance to say

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            i asked you a question awhile back and you never answered me so I’ll try again. Name what rights I have that the gays don’t? I can name a right they have that I don’t. The biggest one is equal protection under the law. How? If I beat the hell out of one of them and mention the word homo while doing it, I get years added on my sentence for a hate crime. If one or more of them beat the hell out of me and mention the word hetero, they won’t get any added time for a hate crime! That in NOT equal protection under the law and it is supposedly guaranteed!

          • Robert Smith

            Awww joe, you’re playing your game again. Repeat your alleged “question.” The fact that you vaguely refer to a question without supplying information about it is at best disingenous and more likley in my humble opinion a deliberate effort to discredit from others who actually have a valid point. Why do you rely on tactics rather than facts?

            Now I’ll answer your often repeated question AGAIN. Here we go. You ask: “Name what rights I have that the gays don’t?”

            The ability to file a joint federal tax return.

            The ability to to visit any of your family without anyone denying that. Gays can be banned from the hospital room if the “family” denies their presence.

            Gays can’t join the local swim club, golf course, or any other group that offers a “family” rate. They each have to pay full price. Your fqamily gets it, why can’t theirs?

            Gays can’t get social security or military benefits. Your family gets it. Why can’t theirs?

            You’re big in your inquisitions, aren’t you joe?

            And finally I’l answer the one where you feel “hate” crimes should be…

            It’s like lynchings, joe. If someone is harmed because they are hated for being who they are it guarantees that there are other hateful things being done to folks. Hate is NOT a family value and it should be discouraged. Sadly not all families teach their kids that all Americans ARE equal and should be treated equally under law. Hate crime laws drive that point home in an environment where the attackers are slow learners.

            When blacks, gays, jews, or any other minority is attacked simply because of who they are it IS a second crime. That’s why we have hate crimes. If people aren’t put away because of hate for infractions against minorities then the odds go up that they will eventually set off a bomb or some other such evil. So, it’s better to keep them off the streets for a longer period of time.

            It’s not like those dumb laws about harming a fetus come in. You cliam it’s a “baby” but it isn’t a baby anymore than an acorn is a tree. Yet I’ll bet you approve of extra penalties for injuring a fetus. Such hypocracy.

            Rob

            Rob

        • marmoolaki

          See spitfire,
          You guys dont have “rational basis” so what remains is insulting.
          Do you really think you will win in court.

          That would be a great defense strategy. when they ask you to present facts and express your logic, you can say “GO EAT POOP” :))))))))))

          And you really call yourself religious?? Which GOD you worship?

          • Robert Smith

            I’ll bet they worship the same god that Fred Phlps and his “god hates fags” troup of monkies follow.

            After all, they all claim to be christian. AND! They deny folks like Bishop Spong and deny that he is a christian.

            Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        If we did recognize them, then they would be able to get benefits from the government. That is one of the reasons for the Defense of Marriage Act. You say that the gays are being supressed? They’re the ones trying to force their immoral and unnatural lifestyle on us. Why is it when our soldiers come home and have a parade, but have a darn gay pride parade afterwards it is OK, but if you have a group of Christians that go to a gay pride parade and sit about 50 meters off to the side praying getting arrested, this shows who is really the group being suppressed here. Remember also, behavior is not mentioned anywhere in our Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. If you want to know what the majority of Americans think about gays, just read Leviticus 20 verse 13 and Romans 1 verses 26 – 28. Stop riding the bandwagon for these immoral fools that just seek to help bring down this country. “As goes the family, so goes the Empire.” Augustus Ceasar. Destroy the traditional family, you destroy the nation. All these things that you and Tim have stated are just rhetoric with no facts or sources to back them up. Typical lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist nonsense. Go home and don’t come back till you two grow up and get lives. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • eddie47d

          Good post Sven, equality for all Americans not just a select few. Heterosexuals have nothing to fear but fear itself.

        • Liberty

          Gays are destroying families and the moral values between a man and a woman.. now there will be no men to marry women.. if gays get married.. marriage will be destroyed.. because now gays will climb into the beds of the heterosexuals and sleep in between them so they can not reproduce.. and then the heterosexuals will be turned into homosexuals.

          • karolyn

            WHAT????????

          • eddie47d

            I think Liberty has been sniffing the real fairy dust!

          • Liberty

            you see this was absolutely absurd, what i just said.. I was trying to see what their argument would be against same sex marriage. lol

          • eddie47d

            Liberty; Gotcha.

          • http://naver sook young

            I think liberty has forgotten to take his meds today. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • liberty4me

          samurai:

          “They’re the ones trying to force their immoral and unnatural lifestyle on us.”

          When … where? I’m nearing 70, have traveled the world, lived in several countries, and have never been approached in any manner by a gay person even suggesting, let alone forcing, any alternative life style on me or anyone else. But I could not count the number of times I have been verbally accosted by born-again Christians who believe everyone is a sinner and demanding I change. I survived combat in South East Asia, fighting for freedom and the ideal of personal liberty for all. I firmly believe those who would deny liberty for anyone (excepting criminals) has no right to liberty himself… There seem to be many opinions expressed here that would deny liberty for many who think and behave differently. The hatred among us (Democrats/Republicans, Right/Left, Christians/others, Gays/ Straits, Liberals/Conservatives, etc.) will destroy us from within. These distractions enable and empower our enemies.

          Let’s focus on the real problem THEFT of OUR FREEDOM and DISMANTELING of OUR CONSTITUTION by a government out of our control. The retaking of OUR Government (BY THE PEOPLE) will require the cooperation and mutual, organized effort of ALL AMERICANS.

          Put an end to the petty decent.

          • marmoolaki

            Liberty4me,

            Who is forcing you their moral ???
            IF YOU DON’T LIKE SAME SEX MARRIAGE DON’T MARRY A PERSON WITH THE SAME SEX.

            and if from the bottom of your heart you wanna marry a person with the same sex quit blaming it on US and try to embrace yourself, there is nothing wrong with you, relax life is beautiful.

          • Robert Smith

            They are scared that they can’t teach their kids not to be gay. After all Chaney’s daughter turned out to be a lesbian. How can Dick Chaney blame himself (nature or nurture) for an outcome like that? It must be the gay people who make more gays. Dick just won’t take responsibility for his daughter being gay.

            Rob

        • grannymae

          samurai,

          It won’t be long and they will find out what it is going to be like to spout off about gays and such , when we get forced into the new world order ! I wonder what the stance on gays will be then? I wonder just how much freedom they think they are going to have then? Me thinks they are in for a big surprise ! I saw a show the other night called the new world government and it was almost like a documentary and what an eye opener. The guy that made it was a retired news reporter and an older man and he had been in a lot of press conferences and has put together all the things that have gone on in his life time up to now and compared them to the bible and it was unreal ! He has news clips of people and in their own words the things said that are now coming to be! I’m going to order the DVD so I can let my family see it. I think you can look it up on the internet under the new world government or you can call 1-800-endtimes. It is quite impresive. Seeing that and knowing what has been going on in the news of late, all I can say is get ready for all heck to break loose ! I don’t know if it is even possible to pull our country back now. Obama has really done a number on us and either all Washington is in on it our we have some very stupid people in office ! In your words, FOR GOD AND COUNTRY !

          • http://naver samurai

            Good post Granny Mae! If the NWO will be like people say, then they’ll practice totalitarian tactics. This will mean imprisoning or killing anyone who is different from the way they believe. These morons should understand that all regimes like these have had gays shot for being gay, so what have they earned? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From Granny: ” I wonder what the stance on gays will be then?”

            Gays will follow the example of that republican “conservative.”

            Their stance will be very wide and hypocritical.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: ” They’re the ones trying to force their immoral and unnatural lifestyle on us.”

          When you say “us” I presume you are following the same hateful god that Fred Phelps is following.

          BTW, don’t include me in your “us.”

          Why don’t you just go off to your little church and worship your hateful god and leave the rest of America alone?

          Rob

      • James

        Sven, The purpose for the Executive Branch of the national government, is to execute the laws enacted by the Legislative Branch. Presidents take an oath to do that. If a president is allowed to ignore the laws he disagrees with, or thinks they are unconstitutional, he has replaced the functions of the Legislative and the Judicial Branches. That’s empiricalism.

        • karolyn

          He’s not not-executing the law.

          • James

            Karolyn, If he’s not not-executing it, doesn’t two negatives make a positive? Doesn’t that mean he IS executing it, when he said he wouldn’t?

        • JUKEBOX

          No, that is Obama Chicago style dictatorship, agree with it or pay the consequences. Got a dead fish lately?

          • smilee

            WTF Are you as stupid as you write??

        • smilee

          James says:
          March 9, 2011 at 8:51 am

          WRONG!!! “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It says nothing about the laws made by Congress and as the Constitution trumps the laws made by Congress and if in his opinion he believes the law is not Constituional he must then defend it and not the law and in this case that is so and he is doing what is required of him and your not agreeing with his decision means nothing as it is not your call and if in the end the SC agrees with him he will have been proven to have made the right decision. My observation here is that not many on this site do understand the Constitution and it is clear you do not.

          • Robert Smith

            Further: Bush didn’t enforce the laws that could have saved America from his depression. Why weren’t they screeching to get George back out on the street?

            Rob

          • James

            Smilee, That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever read. The U.S. Constitution created the federal government, it has no laws in it. It empowered Congress to make laws by delegating certain powers to it in Article I, Sectiion 8. The Executive Branch is supposed to execute the laws that Congress enacts pursuant to the Constitution. And the sole authority to declare such laws unconstitutional rests in the Judicial Branch, that is, in federal courts and ultimately in the U.S. Supreme Court.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest AZ-Ike

            Sorry Smiley,
            You are the one who does not understand the Constitution. The 3 branches of government, Executive, Legislative and Judicial are separate, but interdependent. If Obama does not believe DOMA is constitutional, it is his responsibility to submit a lawsuit to the Supreme Court for their decision. It is NOT Obama’s right to decide the constitutionality of a law written by the (significantly bi-partisan-in this case) Legislative branch and signed by the Executive branch during the administration of a previous President. He is, in fact, breaking the law if he does not support an executed law of the country.

            This is only one of many Constitutional responsibilities and laws Obama has broken. The first and most egregious is campaigning for and occupying the Office of President as a Constitutionally ineligible candidate/president. The enormous fraud he has perpetrated on We the People is enormous and frightening. Obama’s stated goal has been to change America from a federal republic to a socialist state. His goal has always been to destroy the Constitution and bring the great nation of America to its knees.

            One of the above replies stated it was tyranny for homosexuals)to have DOMA in place. Tyranny is a man acting as President and subsituting the rule of man (Obama’s rule) for the rule of law (Constitution.) The first act of the new Republican Congress should have been to demand eligibility proof from Obama. Barring their cowardly inaction, Impeachment is long over due.

      • Liberty

        This hits right on the nose. DOMA is unconstitutional. This is impedes on the rights of others. Civil uniions!! You ever heard of “separate but equal?” This was struck down because it is not EQUAL. Equal rights are guaranteed under the constitution for ever citizen of America. Who are you to tell someone they can not get married? the only way this will work is if you make being gay against the law. Let me tell you.. that aiint gonna happen.
        It says in the bible that homosexuality is wrong.. but that would say that the state is allowing the church to dictate how to live.. but who’s church? The Christians, The Jewish, The hindu, The catholic, The protestant, the Muslim etc.. Which one should the government follow.. This is why church is separated from the state.
        The institution of marriage.. Cheating spouses, women beaters, High divorce rates.. and the gays are the ones disrupting the institution of marriage?? Get over yourselves this is a movement that is gonna happen..

        • Vincent

          We should let Islam rule our country since they are the religion of Peace and they are already starting to change our laws. Watch out because Islam doesn’t consider homosexuality a way of life to them it is a sin punishible by hanging. Up until 1979 most people thought homosexuality was a mental disorder. This was true until the homosexual lobby started infiltrating the field of Phsychology so they can remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. Now the lobby has moved into every facet of State and Federal Government so the can force acceptance of their choice of sex parnters. Hey if I said that I am a dog living in a mans body everyone would think I am crazy but when a guy says he is a girl living in a mans body we are supposed to accept that as a sane person. I am not saying that gay people are not capable of maintaining a normal life quite the opposite they are very powerful and smart. That is the only reason for the striking down of DADT and the decision not to defend DOMA. I would like to see the war between the homosexuals and the Radical Islam because they are both fighting to take over the USA.

          • marmoolaki

            Thats a great compliment Vincent.

            It shows we worked hard to remove it from mental disorder by funding research and hard work. THANKS A LOTTTTT

            Lets see if you can put it back as dis-order? :)))

            I again want to appreciate your compliments :)

          • Mike in MI

            Vincent -
            Someone may not be mentally disordered when he decides to start that behavior. But, after a while with fair frequency of entanglements one’s mind becomes broken down by the selective death of brain cells.
            The cause is the actions in a man’s body (not a woman’s, her system is set up for it) of certain chemicals designed to facilitate conception after normal relations. But in male-to-male (I refuse to say man-to-man) some results are immune destruction and a spectrum of madness from neurological damage and cell death.
            I can’t fathom why medicine doesn’t cknowledge what they know – except that they make a lot of mney treating th problems that arise.

          • marmoolaki

            Mike,
            it should be hard that you need to come up to such a laughable finding.

            Honey Psychologist, sociologists, doctors history experts dont agree with you.

            If you are right pls share your research with American mental institution and ASA so they can put homosexuality back as a mental dis-order until then pls shut up and respect the experts.

            By the way, I believe you mental condition need therapy.
            The comment and disease you just explained just shows how delusional you are!

            PLS ask for help. gay marriage will come sooner or later but that’s a fact. You should start to cop with it. for your own good not anybode else’s.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            marmalooki,
            show me proof that the “gay gene” exhists, that isn’t disproven by other research!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Marmoolaki, there is NO GAY GENE so get over telling those lies. Just by saying something over and over again doesn’t make it the truth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “there is NO GAY GENE so get over telling those lies. Just by saying something over and over again doesn’t make it the truth.”

            How do you know samurai? Why don’t YOU get over spreading lies?

            Remember, there was a day when christians believed that a whole babies were sent down the urethia into the woman to gestate. Now we know that only half of the DNA comes down the pipe. They were wrong then. BTW, they had no clues about DNA whatsoever. Yet it is real.

            BTW, if it isn’t a gene then how did Dick Chaney’s lesbian daughter come from? I’m sure Dick Chaney didn’t encourage their daughter. Oooooo, I get it… They are gonna blame her misadventure on others.

            My my, a right winger not taking responsibility for things in their lives. Yup, looks kinda hipocritical to me.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Liberty asks a right winger: “Who are you to tell someone they can not get married?”

          They think they have the authority to force their beliefs about their brand of christian “god” upon other Americans.

          THAT is un-constitutional too.

          Rob

      • wandamurline

        When Mexico has invaded the US with illegal aliens, Obama and Holder are NOT enforcing the immigration laws…in fact one of the few responsibilities given the federal government (many have been overstepped already) is that they must defend America from invasion of a foreign country…when you have over 12 million illegal aliens in this country from Mexico, that my friend is an invasion. Not only have they aided and abetted the invaders, they even filed suit against the people of Arizona for attempting to do the job they are unwilling to do plus they allowed Mexico to file suit also. That is against Article IV, section IV of the constitution and an impeachment and treason action. Then they won’t enforce the law of DOMA, refuse to enforce civil rights laws because the victims were white, and refuse to stop Obama care after a federal judge has told them to do so. These people feel that they are above the law….no wait, they feel as if they are the law. Well, they are not. They both need to be under investigation for their crimes against America….and while we are at it, we need the real birth certificate and passports from the 80′s. All will come out eventually, as eleven states have passed laws that state the presidential candidates must file the proper paperwork or their name will not appear on that state’s ballot…so sooner or later, Obama is going to have to submit his papers, then we will all know. I know that there are going to be a lot of disappointed people when they can’t come up with the birth certificate…as his new governor friend in Hawaii in an attempt to help put this to rest for Obama, stated he couldn’t find it…but then the news medias stopped all interactions on his statement. Once we find him inelligible for office, all laws will be null and void that he has signed…he will go into history as the only president elected to office that was black and inelligible for same.

        • paul

          Well said.

        • Ellen1

          You’ve nailed it again, wandamurline! Well said.

        • Mike in MI

          “wandawoman” to the front of the class -
          Everyone, show appreciation, please.

        • marmoolaki

          and your point is??

          • Mike in MI

            Marm -
            point is probably unintelligible to someone in your mental state.

          • marmoolaki

            Sorry Mike,

            I didnt quite get you.
            It seems our friend Vince and you are not in stable mind.
            she seems that she is gonna pass out of anger. should I call 911??

            + seriously who is talking about passport and ….

            Discussion with you guys is not even interesting. There is no logic on your side that can challenge, it is just bible and hate!
            THIS IS HOW YOU GUYS KEEP FLUNKING IN COURT.

            and honestly it is not that you are doing a bad defense. you are defending something that is not defensible! Sorry if i went above your head.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            marmoolaki,
            Prove the long form exhists!!! The short form was issued to people to recognise that there was a live birth, we know he’s alive, we aren’t arguing that point!! Show me the long form birth certificate!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Joe H., if the governor can’t find it then it doesn’t exist. Just another lie by the traitor’s side and not the patriots. They can’t prove it and will never be able to prove it. They just haven’t taken their geritol yet. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            joe h. goes off again: ” Show me the long form birth certificate!!!!”

            Show us one from where YOU think he was born.

            After all there is paperwork, witnesses, and newspaper reports of his being born in Hawaii. As you discredit the facts with lies and bogus demands you have offered zero proof that he was born elsewhere.

            So, joe… Can YOU come up with any proof otherwise?

            Rob
            Rob

        • grannymae

          wandamurline,

          Yaaaaa! great post !

        • Robert Smith

          from wandamurline: “when you have over 12 million illegal aliens in this country from Mexico, that my friend is an invasion.”

          Why didn’t Bush do something about it?

          When did it come time to blame Obama? When it was 11,999,999?

          Reagan solved the problem with amnesty. Why shouldn’t Obama do the same thing?

          BTW, why do you punish kids who have been here all of their lives by denying them citizenship? Punishing the kids for the sin of the father? Some of them can’t even speak spanish.

          Rob

      • mrbill

        About that qualifications stuff. He has never held a private sector job. He was a community organizer (Wow) and two whole years in the Senate.

        • karolyn

          And???

        • smilee

          Community Organizer is a private sector non profit job it is not a government job as you infer!

          • http://naver samurai

            He was definately not working for free. He also was groomed by Jerimiah Wright, Saul Alinsky, and Bill Ayers. He’s also been on this path for a long time, at least 20 years, and Michelle probably also keeps him in check. So who was paying him, hmmm? It may not be an official government position, but he was getting paid. Remember, even Hitler and Stalin started off as organizers also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Edie

        Your comments revolve around whether the DOMA law is a just law, and are based on your personal views. The call for impeachment is based on the constitutional requirement for the POTUS to enforce the laws of the US. Whether you like it or not, DOMA was passed lawfully and is now the law of the land. Obama is required by the oath he took to uphold and enforce the law. Anything else is grounds for impeachment!
        If the POTUS is allowed to pick and choose which laws to enforce, we’re in a bigger MESS than I thought.

        • smilee

          Wrong!! See my post above that contains the oath and it says if he believes it Unconstitutional he must not defend it

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s the SCOTUS that determines something to be unconstitutional or not, moron. The president doesn’t have that ability. Its the job of the SCOTUS, not the president! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            There you go agian, with your special privelage from this website,
            calling people names again.

            Seems to me you have no facts and just want to insult (apparently from some of the remarks I’ve seen from the extreme right abound here maybe even physicaly harm people).

            Rob

      • Dan

        Obama should be impeached because he is supposed to enforce our laws and follow the constitution of the US

        He has not, repeatedly

        immigration
        DOM
        Healthcare Law (defined , by a Fed court as unconstitutional) and he’s still going with it vs stopping (as he is supposed to, by law)

        Next he’s a liar, and he’s racist

        read his books, listen to his statements

        Jeremia Wright, His pastor, 20 years, I didn’t know he was a radical bigot? right…

        He’s a radical, socialist who doesn’t have any intention of following our constitution, he wants social justice and group salvation

        • Robert Smith

          Dan says: “Next he’s a liar, and he’s racist”

          Do you mean like samurai? Whenever someone disagrees with him he goes on and on about how they are a “moron.” That is easily proven that samurai is a liar.

          Easily proven. Moron as defined is an IQ of 20-49. Actually the percentile varies depending upon which test you take. An excellent example is seen in the various tests and the scores required for a high enough IQ (top two%) to get into Mensa.

          That is at: http://www.us.mensa.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/Join/SubmitTestScores/QualifyingTestScores/QualifyingScores.htm

          And to prove him to be a liar: Those who he is responding to (including myself) have easily demonstrated facility with the English language, sufficient ability with a computer to actually post things, and making complete statements that are well documented.

          I’ll continue to point out the racist remarks from samurai and his alleged wife as I see them. I’m sure you can find some on your own if you look.

          Rob

      • http://charter howe

        The personal attacks against each other make no sense and are futile. We are all different and each of us expects to be individually treated with respect. As to the argument, if you think about it, its about having loyalty and respect for the Constitution and the laws of the land. That is how everyone gets to enjoy the freedoms we have in the greatest nation in the world. The Congress is elected by we the people to change and fix what we need them to legislate to make our lives safer, happier and more secure. The socialist democrats in the Whitehouse and the Congress have created a massive amount of unrest and devisiveness and many of us have swallowed the bait. That is the Salinsky method of divide and conquer when you want to kill the free market and create a big govt Marxist ideology. I am not paranoid, I spent almost 29 years in the military and I have been in dozens of countries that were plagued with bizzarre ideologies and most were worse than the sh_thole country of Mexico. So enough of the vitriol and show up to take your country back on 2 Nov 2012 so we don’t become embroiled in the crap Greece, Spain, Libya etc are going through.

        • Robert Smith

          From howe: “when you want to kill the free market and create a big govt Marxist ideology”

          As opposed to corporate greed that has moved more money out of the middle class and seen it go to corporate things like Enron…

          The choice you are proposing is:

          1. Give the money to greedy corporations who have very little accountability (Do you really believe Madof acted alone) and every interest in getting as much money as they can

          or

          2. Government where at least we get to change things through elections once in awhile…

          Rob

      • WALTER

        Talking about bringing your religion into it, you would be the type of person who thinks Sharia law would be acceptable. You have to give everyone equal representation after all.

      • Bloodhound

        Obamabi has broken no laws? LOL, where have you had your head buried? Allowing thousands of weapons to be sent to Mexican Cartels, under the pretense of busting American gun runners, is one thing. His slow, dumbass response to the oil spill, the refusal to prosecute the Black Panther Scum for Voter Intimidation, how many more you want? Get your nose out of Husseins butt long enough to see the truth.

        Allen West 2012!

      • Moogi

        When his disagreeing with the law of the land it isn’t a problem. When he takes action that is against the law of the land, it is a crime.
        He has enacted more laws and rules that are a violation of the Constitution than most of the other presidents combined. Only Clinton has committed a crime of treason higher than Obma.
        It is treason to not uphold the oath of office. It it treason to make laws or do unconstitutional acts. Obama has done all the above many times.
        Clinton also but not as many time but Clinton sold our ICBM guidance system to the Lippo group. TREASON ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT.
        Sure you liberals with mumbo jumbo BS around it.
        Liberals are known for lying and deceit. It’s just the kind of people who become Liberals so it’s no surprise that lying is OK with Liberals.
        Frankly I’ve begin to think lying so normal for Liberals they think everyone lies. Nope it ain’t that way.

      • Bill

        what qualifications did obama bring to the presidency? Can you name some??

      • Rick Watson

        Why Sven, because he was elected to uphold the laws of the United States, not to interpret them or only choose the ones he likes. I say put the Ba—-rd in jail where he belongs!

      • Ken

        Why? Not because of his Ideas, because he’s not enforceing the law of the land and Hes not a Natural Born Citizen. Which means Mother and Father must be United States citizens and have no alliance to another country. Impeach the son of a Kenya father Now

    • Tim L.

      On what grounds? Just because you didn’t vote for him doesn’t justify impeachment proceedings.

      • http://naver samurai

        Many of the legislation that he had passed is unconstitutional. Also, he cannot prove if he meets the eligibility to be president according to the Constitution. These 2 things are enough. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • James

          Samurai, Presidents don’t pass legislation, they either sign it into law or veto it. When he signs it into law, he is then obligated to enforce it, and if he fails to do that, it’s impeachable offense.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            James,

            Right on target.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            James,
            100% correct, and DOMA was passed, without veto, into law and he has stated he will not enforce nor defend it!! therefore he is non-compliant with the constitution!! Impeachable offense!!! The immigration laws have been passed without veto, and he refuses to enforce it and is non-compliant with the constitution, IMPEACHABLE!!!

          • smilee

            JOE

            “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It says nothing about the laws made by Congress and as the Constitution trumps the laws made by Congress and if in his opinion he believes the law is not Constituional he must then defend it and not the law and in this case that is so and he is doing what is required of him and your not agreeing with his decision means nothing as it is not your call and if in the end the SC agrees with him he will have been proven to have made the right decision. My observation here is that not many on this site do understand the Constitution and it is clear you do not.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey samurai!

          Why don’t you come up with a birth certificate from where ever you think Obama was born.

          Anything… You haven’t offered a scrap.

          You know, try finding something like a certificate of birth, maybe a bit in the paper of the town, or maybe some real live people who say he was born there.

          Rob

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest AZ-Ike

          Sorry Smiley,
          You are the one who does not understand the Constitution. The 3 branches of government, Executive, Legislative and Judicial are separate, but interdependent. If Obama does not believe DOMA is constitutional, it is his responsibility to submit a lawsuit to the Supreme Court for their decision. It is NOT Obama’s right to decide the constitutionality of a law written by the (significantly bi-partisan-in this case) Legislative branch and signed by the Executive branch during the administration of a previous President. He is, in fact, breaking the law if he does not support an executed law of the country.

          This is only one of many Constitutional responsibilities and laws Obama has broken. The first and most egregious is campaigning for and occupying the Office of President as a Constitutionally ineligible candidate/president. The enormous fraud he has perpetrated on We the People is enormous and frightening. Obama’s stated goal has been to change America from a federal republic to a socialist state. His goal has always been to destroy the Constitution and bring the great nation of America to its knees.

          One of the above replies stated it was tyranny for homosexuals)to have DOMA in place. Tyranny is a man acting as President and subsituting the rule of man (Obama’s rule) for the rule of law (Constitution.) The first act of the new Republican Congress should have been to demand eligibility proof from Obama. Barring their cowardly inaction, Impeachment is long over due.

          • smilee

            AZ

            Boy are you so full of BS and so confused I actually do think you think you understand the Constitution which you certainly do not. All laws that congress makes has to be covered under the constitutional or it is unconstitutional and until that is decided it should not be defended. You did say that there are three independent branches of government and the Congress cannot dictate to the president what he is to do nor visa versa but the courts can and sometime I believe they will ON THIS ISSUE and if the President is supported by them then he was right. WHAT IN THE CONSTITUTION HAS HE NOT COMPLIED WITH, FACT HE HAS COMPLIED. IF HE HAS NOT DONE AS YOU WOULD LIKE IT DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS NOT DEFENDED THE CONSTITUTION. YOU CONCLUDE IN YOUR SIMPLE THINKING PROCESS HE HAS NOT, BUT AS USUAL YOU ARE WRONG!!!

      • BLUEEYESOL

        DOMA just happens to be the law of the land right now and Obama and Holder are under oath to defend that law. Change the law if you don’t want it, by proper channels and authority, but until then, it is the law of the land and as such, the President and his Attorney General are obliged, under oath of office, to uphold, protect and defend that law. To not defend the law of the land is an impeachable offense and neglect of duty and breach of contract of their Oath of Office. Period! He is also breaking this same oath by not defending our borders, again which is the law of the land at present. So, until the law is changed, they are under oath to defend the law.

        • Liberty

          This is for those of you who just HATE that this man is OUR president!

          Take a look at this. It is rare but not uncommon that presidents have decided not to defend a law..

          NOTABLY YOUR RePUBLICAN MESSIAH REGAN!!!

          * Bob Jones University v. United States 461 U.S. 574 (1982)

          In this case, the IRS had denied Bob Jones University tax-exempt status based on its history of racial segregation and discrimination, which it claimed was religiously based. The Reagan Justice Department declined to defend the decision in Court and filed an amicus curiae brief on behalf of the University.

          http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history/

          • Doug

            If you are such a law abiding citizen then the NAACP should be brought before the court for being a rasict oranization. Do you mine if I have WET TV how about the NAAWP is that okay with you.

          • eddie47d

            Doug; I guess you can watch Wet TV if you are a degenerate and like pimps and prostitutes. Knock yourself out!

          • Liberty

            @doug you are an idiot.. if you actually believe it is a racist organization. Naacp is to uplift and cry out against racism and discrimination. The Naawp is aka KKK!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            You’ve repeated this many times moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • James

            Liberty, The issue in Bob Jones University v. U.S. (1982) was whether section 170 and 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, should exclude nonprofit private schools, that prescribe and enforce racial discrimination, from acquiring a tax-exempt status, when the law didn’t actually say that. The District Court held the IRS revocation of the University’s tax-exempt status, had exceeded the law’s scope and ruled for the University. The Appeals Court reversed, holding that racial discrimination is an understood disqualifier of that law.
            The Supreme Court agreed with the Appellate Court, and admonished Congress for not revising that law. There is nothing wrong with a president taking sides on such issues, when it’s in court.
            However, DOMA (1996) specificly excluded same-sex marriages from federal benefit rolls, there was no question what it meant. While I agree that federal courts would hold that part of the law (if challenged) unconstitutional, it is not the role of a president to do that. He must enforce the law as it is written.

        • smilee

          BLUEEYESOL

          “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It says nothing about the laws made by Congress and as the Constitution trumps the laws made by Congress and if in his opinion he believes the law is not Constitutional he must then defend it and not the law and in this case that is so and he is doing what is required of him and your not agreeing with his decision means nothing as it is not your call and if in the end the SC agrees with him he will have been proven to have made the right decision. My observation here is that not many on this site do understand the Constitution and it is clear you do not. Quit twisting the oath to read laws when it does not!!

          • Robert Smith

            Looks to me like you just don’t like the actual Constitution being on this forum.

            After all, it disproves any claim that Obama must fight for a law that he believes to be un-Constitutional.

            BTW, if the SCOTUS shoots down the DOMA will you accept it or claim that they are ligislating from the bench when they toss it out?

            BTW, how can it be called “legislating” when in fact what they are doing is removing un-Constitutional laws?

            Rob

          • smilee

            Robert Smith says:
            March 10, 2011 at 9:32 pm

            wow!! you make no sense at all!!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Tim L..
        There is still that little matter of the birth certificate….

        • Tim L.

          Robin,
          No, that little matter only exists in the minds of morons. Not knowing the truth about a matter is understandable, even forgivable. The Birthers, however, refuse to acknowledge the truth, and that is neither understandable nor forgivable: They are simply a bunch of demented, morons who don’t give a damn about this country. They only care about their hatred!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            If it is just that I am a moron, dumbazz, then show me the long form birth certificate!! Proven fact states that the short form had been issued in the past to non-residents to show a live birth!! SHOW ME THE LONG FORM!!!!

          • JUKEBOX

            I can do something that Obama can not: I can show my long form birth certificate in less than one minute. I still want to see his passport from where he returned to Hawaii from Indonesia.

          • http://naver samurai

            God and Obama bin Laden have no birth certificate, but God doesn’t think that he is Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe, let me remind you that this is America. Why do you violate the notion that one is guilty when proven guilty. NOBODY has offered any proof that Obama is guilty.

            Show US a birth certificate from somewhere else. Don’t have one?
            Then there is no proof.

            Show us a clipping from a local paper.

            Have someone say that they were born somewhere else.

            Oops, nothing presented so far.

            Rob

      • Moogi

        Nope I didn’t vote for the criminal. Didn’t vote for his health care law either.
        Oh neither did a full congress or senate vote on it. That’s unconstitutional and treason.

    • Bill

      I said this very thing, when that muslim got elected to office. He and his wife is so anti-American, and anti-White.

      • karolyn

        I have not heard an anti-American word come out of either of their mouths. You sound more anti-American to me!

        • eddie47d

          Yes Karolyn the sheets and hoods are coming out. Bill is a prime reason I won’t vote on the right.

          • Tim L.

            eddie47d,
            AMEN!!!

          • smilee

            DITTO

        • http://?? Joe H.

          how about ” For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country”? If you don’t think that’s anti-American, then you must be an illegal alien!!!

          • http://naver sook young

            Maybe Michelle is also from Kenya? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            Joe

            P;ease explain what is anti American about that statement, you must not believe in the freedom of speech, DOES THAT MAKE YOU ANTI AMERICAN???

          • http://naver samurai

            Let’s go over this again smilee and the rest of you lib morons, “An American shall have the right to speak out against their elected officials without anything happening to them. This freedom of speech shall not be taken from any American.” Verbatim from the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Now you tell me how what she said and you lib morons are saying that falls into that category. Remember, we weren’t founded on “if it feels good do it” policy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • JUKEBOX

          Actions speak louder than words. I do not remember Roosevelt bowing down to Hitler, Mussolini or Hirohito, and he was a liberal Democrat. I don’t remember Lyndon Johnson bowing down to Ho Chi Min either, but this so called Intelligencia has bowed to some of the worst world leaders since Genghis Khan. I am beginning to believe that he may be bowing down to check their package.

  • Doc Sarvis

    At the end of the article was the quote; Legion National Commander Jimmie L. Foster said that “we oppose all efforts to undermine, alter or otherwise corrupt the institution of marriage.”

    Seems like the divorce rate did that a LONG time ago.

  • Forrest

    The President’s and the Justice Department’s refusal to defend the DOMA is DERELICTION OF DUTY. Only the Supreme Court of the United States can decide the constitutionality of the law. The President’s decision is the result of implementation of “royal law”. Mr. Barak Hussein Obama has established himself as the new “KING” and he will make decisions as to what is legal or not.

    Yes, this is an impeachable offense.

    • James

      Forrest, Amen!

    • Liberty

      no it is not impeachable.. read this. even your messiah Regan did this same thing.

      Bob Jones University v. United States 461 U.S. 574 (1982)

      In this case, the IRS had denied Bob Jones University tax-exempt status based on its history of racial segregation and discrimination, which it claimed was religiously based. The Reagan Justice Department declined to defend the decision in Court and filed an amicus curiae brief on behalf of the University.

      http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history/
      Reply

      • Mike in MI

        Li-bitter-ty -
        Well now…I’d say you had your chance – then – to act against a president whose inaction you seem to think was improper. AND, it seems someone required them to file briefs defending their action. Subsequent to that no one had grounds or guts sufficient to take further action against his Administration.
        Well, today, in light of the seriousness and the on-going damage to the nation’s safety, peace and continuity due to Oblama-lama-ding-dong’s serial offenses, breaches of his oath of office and service to our enemies someone is finally going to move…hopefully.

      • http://naver sook young

        Why do the liberals always bash dead presidents, but don’t want to correct the one we have now? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Eddie47d

          Your side goes after Lincoln,Roosevelt,Johnson . I do believe they are dead. We say one word about Bush who is living and you all get a rash.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Eddie but you misread what I was saying to him. He said Reagan and not Bush. Also, Lincoln wasn’t a democrat. He was the first republican president. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Hey sook, haven’t seen you lately.

            You said: “He said Reagan and not Bush.”

            Yup, Reagan did exactly what was posted about that right wing Liberty college.

            Why don’t you address that and come to the same conclusion that Reagan should have been impeached?

            After all, if it’s good enough for Obama it’s good enough for Reagan.

            Rob

    • smilee

      “Are you as dumb as you write????”

      • http://naver samurai

        Are you, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          There goes samurai again…

          How does he get such privelage?

          Remember: “…or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling.”

          I consider being called a “moron” when I clearly am not to be slanderous.

          Rob

  • http://none norm

    We must get rid of this traitor before he continues on his distructive path of the disrembering of America.
    Why the hell do we have a Congress and Supreme Court and what is wrong with them?

    • Sven

      I like the way you Troll, sir

      • http://naver samurai

        Why? The man is right, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          There goes samurai again. No cogent argument, just name calling.

          So much for reason from the extreme religious right.

          For goddess and America.

          Rob

      • Mike in MI

        Sven -
        There is a “norm” who often comments here and has been strong for liberal theology. I don’t know if this is the same commentator or not. But if it is, his step over to this side of the line-in-the-sand is strong evidence of the grave danger and awful consequences Obamaism represents. More and more, people of reason and principle are realizing things must not continue in the present direction or chaos is in the offing.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Of all the issues that would seem to be impeachable issues, it seems like at least one of them would stick!

    • Tim L.

      And what issues are you refering to exactly?

    • smilee

      KEEP ON DREAMING!! CAUSE THAT IS ALL YOU ARE DOING

  • Dave Carr

    You’ve got to be kidding…with all the crap that’s going on in the country and the world right now…. This one politician is still focused squarely on the big gay peril. Give it a rest already and concentrate on the real issues, needing urgent and immediate attention. Inflation, the wars, job creation, government corruption. Everyone’s efforts would be better served.

    • James in NY

      Amazing isn’t it. And what’s the American legion doing sticking its nose in as well. What about the thousands of gay Americans who have served this country so that we can continue to have our freedoms. Is there no freedom for gay Americans. Hypocrisy at the extreme.

      • http://naver samurai

        They have the same rights as are given to us by God. Just have to marry someone of the opposite gender. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Mike in MI

        James in NY – Sure, the gays have all the rights any others of us have – within the laws.
        Liberty has never been defined as licence to encourage licentiousness; but laws are enacted to maintain order, promote the well-being of the greatest numbers possible and lubricate a decent smooth flow of life that keeps everybody off of everybody elses toes. If every little splinter group shows up demanding the right to do whatever their hyperactive imaginations can devise…then, wipe the laws off the books and let everybody do whatever, whenever , however to whomever they damned well please.

        • Mike in MI

          P.S. – Then we’ll go back to the law of the jungle. But then, isn’t that why a lot of libertarians and progressives are also anarchists (if you scratch the surface paint off)?

          • marmoolaki

            Mike,
            1) how marrying someone with the same sex, jeopardizes your marriage?
            2) Rule of jungle is who has power will rule. This is not America.
            3) Honesty what is in your life that you are soooo unhappy. Pls try to fix that instead of taking your frustration on others.

          • http://naver sook young

            Marmoolaki, we both know that gay marriage destroys morals, ethics, and the traditional family. The family was one of the Christian beliefs we were founded on, so how can you support a lifestyle that is this destructive to our nation and can cause our nation to fall apart like Rome, Greece, and so on? Please cite a source and state some facts and stop posting rhetoric and inuendo. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From sook: “Marmoolaki, we both know that gay marriage destroys morals, ethics, and the traditional family.”

            Really. “Morals” are most often a religious thing. We all know how corrupt your hateful god is. All those floods and destroying a couple of cities (I still wonder that “Gamority” is.)

            MY ethics are that people who love each other should be able to have the same conract that anyone else declaring themselves to be a couple in the CIVIL blessing of our government. Remember, even atheists can marry.

            “The family was one of the Christian beliefs we were founded on,”

            Is that why it was mentioned in our Constitution? Can you quote such a claim in our founding document? Otherwise please admit your lie.

            Sook you ask: “how can you support a lifestyle that is this destructive to our nation”

            How so? I haven’t seen ANY OTHER nation brought down by gays. The one that shines though is Hitler who simply killed them. Do you agree with Hitler sook?

            More from sook: “can cause our nation to fall apart like Rome,”

            Rome lasted 800 years and tolerated most religions until they started pushing religions upon those who didn’t want it.

            From sook: “Greece, and so on?”

            Ummm sook…. I’ll break this to you as gently as I can.

            GREECE is still around after a couple of thousand years. Maybe you missed it in your version of history.

            And then you ask: “Please cite a source and state some facts and stop posting rhetoric and inuendo”

            Really? You dare ask such when you post that Greece was destroyed by gays? Another lie from the right.

            BTW, look what followed Rome. The christian church grew and exerted control over populations through and assortment of tactics. Inquisitions anyone? How’s ’bout an good long Dark Age.

            Rob

  • Tim L.

    If your marriage needs the support of the president and congress in order to survive, guess what? Your marriage is already dead! Get over it!

    • Sven

      Hear, Hear!

    • http://naver samurai

      The same would count towards the gays also. You can’t have it both ways, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        samurai…
        Excellent come back! And oh so true!

        • http://naver samurai

          Thank you fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Actually gays as anyone can tell so far will divorce at similar or slightly lower rates than heterosexuals. There hasn’t been enough time to be conclusive yet, but that appears to be the trend.

            But even if ALL same sex couples were to searate how does that impact you samurai?

            MOF, best guess is that gays are 10% (all the Republicans aren’t out of the closet yet) of the population.

            The heterosexual population has a whole lot more divorce than gays ever will. So, are you going to tell Rush (3 wives), or any of the other hypotrical right wingers that they too are immoral?

            My guess is that they are forgiven and you accept their word like a bunch of “here here” at a church social.

            BTW, again because there are so many heterosexuals in America it is clear that they commit more “sodomy” than any other group. Why don’t you attack them and deny those Americans equality?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, you’re being a moron again. I never said that they had less rights then we did, now did I? You say that heterosexuals commit more sodomy than gays? Now we both know that isn’t true. If you have two “gay men” (for lack of a better term) and they love each other, how do you think they’ll do it, hmmm? They’ll sodomize each other. Usually, sodomy is a crime dealing with heterosexuals. Gays 100% chance of sodomy, heterosexuals would be criminals or mentally impared (like rob). How do you know that 10% of the people in this nation is gay? Put up some real facts and a source or shut up and get to steppin’. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY.

            Oh, I forgot to answer you on another lie about the gay gene. There still isn’t one, moron. Quit trying to make exuses for them and try to correct the direction this country is going. If you break down the family, then morals and ethics tend to fall apart afterwards.

          • Robert Smith

            So, samurai, if gays are allowed to marry you will divorce your wife?

            Please explain how two people you don’t know can impact your life.

            Rob

        • Moogi

          This isn’t reply to Robin so Robin don’t take this personnaly.
          In reading this blog for about five minutes I see why this country is on the brink of disaster. Going going and I belive gone.
          I don’t need any white sheets. I have moved away from the big cities where the death tole is going to be an expected 90% over the first year of a total colapse. Also it’s the target of dirty bombs etc.
          I’m way out in the country in deep woods. I have provisiong to exist for over 3 years of no supplies in the stores and yes in spite of the dooms day fall out radiation I’ll survice a bomb that puts fall out all over the area.
          If you believe the BS shown in movies like, “on the beach etc” then go ahead and set idlly by and burn in gama radiation the few days after a nuke or dirty bomb. As a matter fact I’ll have food and water for a long time, and then after the fall out has disipated to safe levels, “yes it does fade away with time,” I’ll have a garden, eggs and fresh meat.
          If any of you liberal morons show up attempting to raid, for goods to survice on I won’t have a white sheet, I won’t be a racist etc but you will be dead, dead, dead! If I see any GAY trappings, dead, dead, dead whether raiding or not. If I see UN markings, dead, dead, dead.
          I’m an engineer in several fields, Chemical, Electronics and mechanical.
          I have a complete solar referigration system. No moving parts, no delicate solar cells etc.
          Via solar I do have a large sterling engine driving a generator.
          I have parts to rebuild it about 20 times if necessary.
          I have defenses most liberals are incapable of conceving.
          Remeiber the chemical degree…………
          Remember the electronic……………..
          Remember the mechanical…………….
          Some of each of the above skills are involved in almost each of my defenses.
          As a last resort if I’m overwhelmed by numbers I will auto destruct and a rather large area, “my secret” will become completely leathal to life for a few hours. Nothing that breathes will survive, none of the goods will be left for idiots like liberals.
          It’s mine, I worked for it and I intend to keep it even in death.
          No sharing the wealth here you liberal jerks. Just plane old I made it, bought it with my hard work etc. It’s my money,supplies etc. If you are so stupid as to be forced into taking from others to survice due to your stupidity then come here, YOU WILL NOT SURVICE!

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, another death threat from the extreme right: “If I see any GAY trappings, dead, dead, dead whether raiding or not.”

            How christian of you Moogi.

            Rob

    • James

      Tim L., Marriages, in America, were and are performed in churches. There was, and is, no requirement to obtain a state marriage license. The Bible defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman “these two shall become one.”

      • Liberty

        yes the Bible says this.. however.. there is a separation between church and state.

        • http://naver sook young

          That is an outright lie. Please show me the paragraph in the Constitution that says anything about separation of church and state. It isn’t there. Are you sure you’re not some middle school student with a bad education? You sound like someone I used to know and he was so ignorant that he had a “god” complex about him. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            The Supreme court has defined the first amendment as separating church and state, what you say means nothing as your word does not trump theirs. Only simpletons like yourself would require your words to used before you can understand it.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry smilee, but you don’t need to call me names. I get you’re just an ignorant liberal that comes to this site. If you read the 1st Amendment, which I don’t think you have, you would see that the government can’t set up an official religion and cannot pass any laws prohibiting the free expression thereof. The Supreme Court has said this? Like you said, only an ignorant child would post such words without a source. Have you taken your medicine today? Are you still suffering from the prune and viagra diet your doctor perscribed for you? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Sook says: “Sorry smilee, but you don’t need to call me names.”

            No need for samurai to call people names either.

            Thanks for the clear demonstration of the double standard from the extreme right.

            Rob

        • James

          Liberty, I believe that’s what I said. The First Amendment states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” State constitutions contain similar restrictiions.

  • Ellen

    Whether or not you support gay marriage, Obama’s actions are wrong. He does not have the authority to make this decision and, by making it, has failed his presidential pledge to uphold the laws of the US. He should’ve been impeached when he sued Arizona for writing a state law to enforce our federal law. Imagine all the additional damage he can do by 2012 if we don’t impeach him first.

    • James

      Ellen, Amen!

    • Liberty

      This is for those of you who just HATE that this man is OUR president.

      Take a look at this. It is rare but not uncommon that presidents have decided not to defend a law..

      NOTABLY YOUR RePUBLICAN MESSIAH REGAN!!!

      * Bob Jones University v. United States 461 U.S. 574 (1982)
      In this case, the IRS had denied Bob Jones University tax-exempt status based on its history of racial segregation and discrimination, which it claimed was religiously based. The Reagan Justice Department declined to defend the decision in Court and filed an amicus curiae brief on behalf of the University.

      http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history/

      • Doug

        Yes I hate Muslims and communist which Obama is all of the above. I can find a bum on the street who could do a better job than this non working American hatting piece of crap!

        • Mike in MI

          Doug -
          At least the bum would be less likely to do things that are designed to ruin the economic base upon which we all depend, put out the fire of our energy sector, use the Department of Justice to obliterate the force of the legal system that assists in a smooth flow of the business of living or give aid and comfort to those who are our sworn enemies – unless, perchance, he were one himself.

      • tim_

        Liberty is this the only thing you can do is to refer to a case of
        Bob Jones University v. United States 461 U.S. 574 (1982) Something that took place 20 years ago? The current administration is degrading this country and driving the bus over it’s people.
        Mrs. Obama should stay out of the public’s business of what food is healthy for people to eat or not. Just like her husband she doesn’t have any credentials to be dictating what the people eat.
        He sure ttok an about face as soon as Nancy was taken out of the big picture…show us your credentials Mr. President or get out

        • Liberty

          @tim. I can refer to more that is why the this link is here!!!

          http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history/

          The referral to the Reagan decision was just to show that this is not a liberal thing. Also, that Obama was not the first to do it. So impeachable I don’t think so. I know it is not. So finally read the article (assuming that you can read) and see that he is doing his job and that is defending the constitution and the people that are covered by it.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          tim,
          He did a real quick about face on GITMO as well. WAIT, COULD IT BE? A LIE, TOLD BY THE NOBUMMER?!?!?!?!?

      • http://naver sook young

        Must you really repeat yourself? President Reagan is dead and Obama is the president now, so please try to come back to reality. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • smilee

          Being dead does not change what he did when he was alive. UNBELIEVABLE STATEMENT!!

          • http://naver sook young

            OK, then that means that LBJ is still responsible for illegaly taking money from social security. FDR is still guilty of making the Great Depression go on longer than needed. He also increased the size of government, which is unconstitutional, and tried to get us into World War 2. It’s even been proven that he made it so the Japanese would attack this great nation and kept our patrols at a low level so we would be attacked (The Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor.). That would also mean that former presidents that haven’t died are also still responsible? Clinton being impeached for lying and parading around Washington with many girlfriends? How about Clinton bombing an aspirin factory in Sudan and abandoned camps in Afghanistan? How about Clinton not doing anything to go after terrorists after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, the Kobar Toweres bombing, the U.S. Embassies being bombed in Kenys and Tanzania? How about Carter with his Fair Housing Act and Clinton with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? These acts lead to the downfall of our housing markets. How about another democrat named Andrew Jackson and his treatment of the Native Americans? How about Woodrow Wilson and the Federal Reserve Act? If your prepared to debate me, you have to be willing to look at both sides. Actually it is you that is the ignorant one here. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

    • smilee

      Ellen

      “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It says nothing about the laws made by Congress and as the Constitution trumps the laws made by Congress and if in his opinion he believes the law is not Constitutional he must then defend it and not the law and in this case that is so and he is doing what is required of him and your not agreeing with his decision means nothing as it is not your call and if in the end the SC agrees with him he will have been proven to have made the right decision. My observation here is that not many on this site do understand the Constitution and it is clear you do not. Quit twisting the oath to read laws when it does not!! Thank you!!

  • Michael R. Hopkins

    Where’s the Birth Certificate and School records of Obama, alis Barry Soto.
    Impeach this clown!

  • spitfire

    I have a better idea. At least a crowd of 2 million of us decend on the US capitol, drag that dirt bag out side and hang him from one of the trees on the lawn.

    • Liberty

      spitfire.. lol you are a laughable chump. you are hiding behind you computer with you potbelly stained wifebeater. frantically typing away in your trailer with your 30 cats stewing in your hate and wallowing in your ignorant filth to say such things like this. What i just said can not be as bad as what you said about a black man.. shows that you still have the intelligence of a toddler and a penis to match.

      • ValDM

        WOW! What a civil response. Without even a hesitation. I’m in awe of someone who can spew vitriol so effectively. I guess the O-man’s plea for civility wasn’t for the likes of you. Take a pill and get over yourself.

        • Liberty

          I am very civil. I have used my words effectively (they may have hit home because what I have said is true.) I have not been over there to whoop his ass yet. So I would say that I am very civil.

          • Marlene

            You certainly sound like Charlie Sheen who is certifiably insane – can you say “Winning”?

          • JUKEBOX

            Michelle has managed to keep Barry’s fondness for penises a secret with her intimidating threats. As for the hanging, I disagree, because we do not need another half black man to be sanctified.

          • http://naver sook young

            Childish. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Doug

        Stop hiding behind the color I find people who like to yell racist are usually the biggest racist! What we people don’t like about this idiot has nothing to do with skin color the fact the he is and illegal allien, Muslim and a communist!

      • http://naver sook young

        You sound like an immature little man named chris. Does your mother know that you’re playing with her computer? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • smilee

      PLEASE AIR OUT YOUR POINTED WHITE HAT AND WHITE SHEET BEFORE YOU DO SO IT DOES NOT SMELL OF MOTH BALLS!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Why don’t you take out your scarlet and black uniform, jack boots, and practice saying “seig heil” to Obama bin Laden in the mirror. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Donald Winters

    The foretold Beast of the antichrist is alive and well and completly on tract and is in the white house today, don’t believe it, within 12 months you will.

    • karolyn

      Unbelievable that people like you exist in this day and age! Open your mind a little. Let some sun shine in!

      • Mike in MI

        Karolyn -
        Don’t worry about what he penned up there. Obama can’t be the Beast or The Antichrist. When hedoes come he will put Obummer’s evil to shame. THAT dude will blow your mind for horrid.
        If you don’t die in prelims to his time you will worship him then.

        Of oourse, one of the things Jesus Christ believed to accomplish was to get you out of that dilemma. Decide to make him your Boss (Lord) and tell God with all the conviction can muster that you believe God raised Jesus from the dead. There wasn’t that easy?

  • tim

    He has broken many laws

    • Doc Sarvis

      And what recent President has not?

  • http://Walkermedia.org ARTHUR

    THE PATH NARROWS IN FAVOR OF US DESTRUCTION BY LEGAL MEANS, talk, talk, talk, by politicians, HELL, DO IT NOW, ELIMINATE THIS FRAUD, MUSLIM DICTATOR, DO IT NOW, NOT LATER. HE SEES THE NOOSE CLOSING, HE WILL GET WORSE.

    • eddie47d

      Arthur; Are you related to spitfire and represent the Republican Party or some far right fringe group? People like you are the reason the DOMA law should be repealed. You are nasty and hateful in your lynch mob remarks.You do not represent America in your diatribes and ugliness and I long for the day your venom disappears.

      • http://naver samurai

        No it shouldn’t be repealed. One man and one woman are required for a marriage, not a couple of immoral individuals. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Doug

        Eddie the chump what do you know about what America wants you need to come out of your moms basement and join the real American race not the progessive, socialist communist you seem to think are such a great bunch! It would be nice to take all of you idiots and put you in a time machine and let you live in these wonderful times or countries under such wonderful regimes!

        • eddie47d

          Doug; Since Obama is not a Muslim or a communist and so far his eligibility is still valid then you are the one who needs to crawl back into your basement. Okay Chump! You can let us know your opinion all you want but don’t label them as facts until you have the FACTS. Go back and join your lynch mob friends.

      • JUKEBOX

        I will accept the repeal when Adam & Steve can prove that they can produce a child by engaging in Sodomy.

        • smilee

          oh my god!! they never said they could

          • http://naver samurai

            Then it should NEVER be repealed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Liberty

      to imply that he is muslim discredits everything you say after is highlights your ignorance and showboats your hate.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Liberty… I think I understand you to say that you don’t think that Barry is Muslim? Really? He had a Muslim father. Doesn’t that make him Muslim?

        • Liberty

          you think religion is passed down like dna. It is not. you choose your faith or it chooses you. He was raised by his white family. Were they muslim no. They were Christians. He grew up in the Christian faith. You don’t dibble in it like witchcraft. Your in it or your not. Clearly he is Christian.

          • ValDM

            In the Muslim world that’s exactly how it is. Look it up and get yourself smartened up a bit. His Daddy was a muslim, his step-father was muslim. O-man attended muslim schools and lived as a muslim in Indonesia. How much more do you need??? Also, he brought a whole slew of muslims to the WH to have prayer with them (about 50K of them). How about that bowing thing in Saudi Arabia???

          • JUKEBOX

            He was not with his grandparents until he was almost a teenager. Until then he was educated in a Muslim school in his young, formative years.

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually, he was raised in Indonesia by his muslim step father, went to a muslim school, and attended mosque. How he is a Christian, I don’t know. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Eddie47d

            20 years of going to church in Chicago. Were your relatives in Korea always Christian or were there a couple of Buddhists thrown in? People do change and convert all the time.

          • smilee

            sook young says:
            March 10, 2011 at 6:52 am

            HE WENT TO A SECULAR SCHOOL IN INDONESIA, AND WAS ONLY THERE FOUR YEARS LESS THAT A FOURTH OF HIS BRINGING UP TIME SO TO SAY HE WAS RAISED THERE JUST SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE. HE WAS NEVER TAUGHT THE MUSLIM RELIGION. FOR A PROFESSED CHRISTIAN YOU SURE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF AGAINST LYING DO YOU, WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT TO US.

          • http://naver samurai

            Smilee and edduh, you two morons have to prove my wife wrong. Just like a lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist to call someone a liar and have no facts or sources to back up what they are saying (smilee). There are many sites on youtube and others that support what my wife says. We sure the h*** aren’t going to do your homework for you. How about when Obama bin Laden went to Afghanistan? He went directly from Kenya. He was a young man at that time, so were do you morons get he came back around 10 years old? Secular school? Are you injecting yourself with interveinous drugs or what? Indonesia is a muslim, not secular, nation. This being so, how the h*** do you get a secular school? Cite your sources and state some real facts or don’t answer my post. People like you two give a bad example of this country. You understand the words comming from my mouth smilee (chris)? You’re not really too smart now are you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            samurai says:
            March 10, 2011 at 10:06 pm

            YOU ARE NOT GIVING FACTS JUST REPEATING THE FAR RIGHT PROPAGANDA RHETORIC THAT IS NEITHER FACT AND CERTAINLY NOT TRUE, BUT THEN FACTS ANT THE TRUTH HAVE NEVER BEEN IMPORTANT TO YOU!!

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Bull crap!

        • smilee

          NO, HE WAS RAISED CHRISTIAN AND ONLY SEEN HIS DAD ONCE AFTER AGE TWO, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT FOLLOW THEIR PARENTS RELIGION, MANY DO IN HIS CASE HE FOLLOWED HIS MOTHERS RELIGION AND YOU SAYING OTHERWISE CHANGES NOTHING!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually he followed his step fathers religion (islam). Stop repeating the same lies. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            SAMMY

            HIS MOTHER WAS NOT MUSLIM AND SHE AND GRANDMA RAISED HIM CHRISTIAN. YOU ARE THE LIAR, SELDOM ON HERE TO YOU TELL THE TRUTH, I GUESS IT IS NOT A PART OF YOUR CHARACTER, ON SECOND THOUGHT YOU HAVE NO CHARACTER!!

      • Doug

        Really here is a man who went to a church for 20 years that spewed nothing but hate for America. Denied that he is good friends with a domestic terrorist who by the way wrote most of his books for him. Go ahead show me something a piece of paper anything showing us where he was born what his grades were, how he got into Indonisa when no American were allowed to travel there. Anyone who knew him in College, high school anything come show it to us! You really need to learn what goes on in the world before you show your ignorance for all to see!

  • spitfire

    Liberals, the dung of humanity!

    • karolyn

      Wow! You’re getting more intelligent with every remark! :-)

      • smilee

        OH COME ON!! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A MAN WITH ROCKS FOR BRAINS!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Stop describing yourself! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Joyce from Loris

    All presidents are sworn into office with the pledge to uphold the laws of our nation. I saw Obama do that. Now, he wants to decide which laws to uphold and which to not? Whether you agree with DOMA or not, it is the law. It is a scary thing when the current president thinks he can decide which laws are “good” and which ones are “bad”, or unconstitutional. He does not have that power, but he THINKS he does! That’s the scary part. What law will he decide next that the doesn’t like? Maybe the right to bare arms? The right to vote? Who knows? And as taxpaying American citizens, we want to know. Our nation is not a dictatorship, YET! But it will be if we do not halt practices like this. We need a president, a Senate and Representatives that will uphold our laws, period.

    • Liberty

      This is for those of you who just HATE that this man is OUR president.

      Take a look at this. It is rare but not uncommon that presidents have decided not to defend a law..

      NOTABLY YOUR RePUBLICAN MESSIAH REGAN!!!

      * Bob Jones University v. United States 461 U.S. 574 (1982)

      In this case, the IRS had denied Bob Jones University tax-exempt status based on its history of racial segregation and discrimination, which it claimed was religiously based. The Reagan Justice Department declined to defend the decision in Court and filed an amicus curiae brief on behalf of the University.

      http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history/

      • mrbill

        Are you saying two wrongs make a right.

        • Liberty

          I’m not saying it is wrong. There were numerous presidents that did it.

          If his job is to serving the people how can any president do that if The law that was passed is not equal. There for how can anyone uphold it under the constitution. If the constitution was a person it would not have allowed Doma under its umbrella!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Liberty,
            I find it funny, no hilarious that people here have given you many examples of how he has broken his pledge to up hold the laws of the land, yet you keep comming up with that same little LAME argument time and time and time and time ad nauseum!!!

          • Joyce from Loris

            You are so stupid.

          • http://naver samurai

            What’s your mental malfunction? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Joyce from Loris

        Liberty, you are stupid too. Did I say that Regan was my “messiah”? I don’t care who does it, it’s wrong. Period. You are an idiot.

      • http://naver sook young

        Do you have to say this childish rant again? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • smilee

          sookie

          COMING FROM THE MOUTH OF A CHILD WE UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT IN THAT CONTEXT

    • smilee

      jOYCE

      “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It says nothing about the laws made by Congress and as the Constitution trumps the laws made by Congress and if in his opinion he believes the law is not Constitutional he must then defend it and not the law and in this case that is so and he is doing what is required of him and your not agreeing with his decision means nothing as it is not your call and if in the end the SC agrees with him he will have been proven to have made the right decision. My observation here is that not many on this site do understand the Constitution and it is clear you do not. Quit twisting the oath to read laws when it does not!! Thank you!!

  • LaVerne

    Obama should never have been able to run for president without proving he is a naturalized citizen.. Yet everything he does and says is ignored by the media and it seems he is protected from any controversy. And I know he is not protected by my God.. so I can only assume he is protected by Satan. Because he is tearing down this country and has already told the world that the US is not a Christian nation.. This country was founded on Christian principals and it shows on every building in Washington, DC.. and every one of our governing documents. He is trying to change those documents and has already removed prayer from our schools. What is next?? He is associating and praising the Muslems in this country.. So next we will be a Muslem nation and he will be the supreme ruler.. Wake up America..

    • Liberty

      To you to imply that Obama is a muslim or not a citizen discredits everything you say after.

    • karolyn

      Your God?

      • smilee

        IT DOES APPEAR SHE IS IN NEED OF HAVING HER OWN GOD!!

        • http://naver samurai

          There is only one true God, the Judeo-Christian God. None other rules supremem over him. Smilee, Karolyn, and Liberty sound like they need to go to church and meet him before they get it in the end. Literally. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • B. Holmes

    It is so humerous that Obummer taught Constitutional Law in the University????? It is obvious that he did something else with the students and took a paycheck illegally. There is evidence that the FBI needs to investigate college and university presidents all over the country. They either do not do their job or they are subversive, themselves. If math and science teachers were as retarded in their subject as the Political Science, History, Education, and Journalism departments, the nation would produce even weaker graduates than they do now.

  • Liberty

    This is for those of you who just HATE that this man is OUR president.

    Take a look at this. It is rare but not uncommon that presidents have decided not to defend a law..

    NOTABLY YOUR RePUBLICAN MESSIAH REGAN!!!

    * Bob Jones University v. United States 461 U.S. 574 (1982)

    In this case, the IRS had denied Bob Jones University tax-exempt status based on its history of racial segregation and discrimination, which it claimed was religiously based. The Reagan Justice Department declined to defend the decision in Court and filed an amicus curiae brief on behalf of the University.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history/

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Liberty… Obama or Barry, whichever, is not disliked because he is a Mulatto, he is ruining our country. Any one with eyes can see this.

      • Liberty

        Said nothing about him being mulatto.. What exactly, what is being ruined?

        • Ellen

          Are you kidding? Let’s begin with the budget of every state (all 50)that can’t handle the additional Medicaid requirements in Obamacare. It, along with the unconstitutionality if the individual mandate, is the reason 26 states sued. How about circumventing Congress everytime he can’t get another bad idea past the Senate? The better question is, Has he done anything of value for the US?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Liberty,
          and ad nauseum!!!

    • http://naver sook young

      Be quiet crazy one. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

      • Eddie47d

        That’s really polite!

        • http://naver sook young

          You’re right Eddie. I shouldn’t have called him crazy. But what else can I think about someone who constantly repeats themselves? If they at least brought more facts then this one incident, that would bring more credibility as far as I’m concerned. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • newspooner

    Marriage has been defined by society in general for centuries. Government has no right to redefine it. If we let government get away with redefining marriage, it can redefine anything, and all liberty is lost because we would then have unlimited government. DOMA is only wrong because it is not government’s business, and no law is needed for the legitimacy of marriage.

    • Liberty

      couldn’t have said it any better than this.. Newspooner.. for those who do or don’t agree with same sex marriage, you should at least agree with this.

      • eddie47d

        Marriage is not being hijacked and men and women will still take their vows until the end of times. Maybe gays need to stop using the word marriage(singular). Find their own version such as civil unions or marriage II and then live happily ever after. You know;Demand the same rights as a married heterosexual and call it a Commitment Certificate. That way you will be legal in the eyes of the law and avoid the constant persecution from the opposition.

        • Ellen

          They don’t want civil unions; they want marriage.

          • karolyn

            So, if they changed the word, it would make a difference?

          • Ellen

            They want the right to marry, not have a civil union. They think that still makes them unequal.

          • smilee

            THEY WOULD BE OK WITH CALLING IT CIVIL UNIONS IF MARRIAGE WAS CHANGED TO CIVIL UNIONS AS WELL, AFTER ALL IT IS COVERED UNDER CIVIL LAW, MARRIAGE IS A RELIGIOUS TERM!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eddie,
          you have finally said something with a pinch of intelligence!!! you must have missed your turn on the koolaid bottle!!!

  • Alarmed

    I also believe two million should march upon Washington.With though a different outcome than Spitfire’s. We need to organize and make our opinions heard! Does it require Glen Beck ….seems so. So until We organize and plan showings of strength the political machine will just keep on running, doing what they think America wants or needs. We need to tell them what we want. We can’t rely on the media to do this for us. We should find another medium. We need a leader.

  • Gary

    Impeach this President? He has more teflon than Ronald Reagan. The pipedream of the century.

  • http://com i41

    Since when is Onumnutts become a dictator to decide what laws to enforce,damn we forget Holder wouldn’t go after the niggardly Black Panthers on voter intimdation charges, attempted assault charges,and failure to appear charges. But we shouldn’t for get they are black racist who always get the free pass card. The muslim marxist moron is showing his personal presudice since he was and always has been a peter puffer just like Rambutt and their Chitcago bathhouse gangs. Since everyone want research facts, blacks when in prison become queers as easy as using drugs in slum land in Harlem. By Onumnutts own words he fits the MO and should have been in the crowbar hotel even now! Liberty must be his good buddy and a soros socialist democrat that voted for the marxist muslim moron.

  • Jay

    Impeach Obama? Good luck! Although a comforting thought, to assume that it would be a fair trial, much less successful, would be comparable to that of the mafia crime syndicate presiding over its own trial, as judge, jury and executioner. I’m willing to bet, they would be found not guilty! Impeach Obama, who will be the presiding judge, will it be of the same stripe as the ones that upheld obama care, as being constitutional? I think this is nothing more then a carrot on a stick!

  • jopa

    Never heard of this Trent Frank guy but I probably will hear about him everyday now.Just another mouthpiece trying to get his face and name on television.I would venture to bet five to one he is another Larry Craig with a wide stance or are they just bowlegged from riding up and down on Brokeback Mountain?

  • karolyn

    “Since everyone want research facts, blacks when in prison become queers as easy as using drugs in slum land in Harlem.”

    MEN, white included, do not “become queers” in prison. They sexually assault other men for power and sexual release. It has absolutely nothing to do with being gay. And I am wondering where are the “research facts” you refer to.

    • karolyn

      The above was a response to i41 and appeared in the wrong place somehow.

      • eddie47d

        i41 hasn’t made sense since the dinosaurs roamed the earth.You nailed it Karolyn on the prison situation.

  • George

    Marriage should be a personal issue, not a state or government issue. Making people get a license to do anything is nothing more than financial creation and a tax.
    As for an Obama impeachment, that’s meaningless. He is a worker bee, puppet, bought and paid for corrupted criminal. He has no power or say so. Those powers are all in the hands of Rockefeller, Goldman, JP Morgan and their gang. History has not changed at all. Same family names and same banking financial terrorism that has always existed.

    Think I’m wrong? Then do some research and follow the trail of dead bodies of those who have ever attempted to stop their terrorism.

  • TRUTH BE TOLD

    OH the irony: a desire to limit SOME people’s personal liberties on a blog called “personalliberty”.

  • momplayer

    What’s next are we going to cencus takers go door to door asking what people do or don’t do in the privacy of their own bedroom? I guess that would at least put some people back to work.Instead of the goverment sticking their nose in on personal choices such as sexual preference and what we eat they need to address problems such as unemployment,gas prices,out-of-control banks,food prices ect. I might be selfish,but if I can’t find a job,afford gas to look for a job,can’t afford food or pay my mortgage cause I have no job I really don’t care about my neighbors sex life.

  • mike

    You were probably in support of blacks not being able to marry whites, your christian radicals views are extreem, main stream america thinks your all crazy and they ae right.

    Go to your crazy church and pray that the gays will not ovetake the world and you will be saved.

    God help you freaks

    • http://?? Joe H.

      mike
      As long as the MARRIAGE is between a man and a woman, I don’t care WHAT color they are!!! I don’t care if they are purple and blue!!

    • JUKEBOX

      I’ll bet that you are in love with some of your livestock, or want to marry your Boa Constrictor so you can get health insurance for it.

    • http://naver sook young

      I’ll pray that Jesus will walk up behind you and slap you. Then you may be back with us on this earth and not circling the moon. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

  • Termite

    I go along with Lita Z. Biejo all the way. Gays can’t be Cristian’s because the lord did not intend that way. They will have there sins taken care of at the end!!!!!!!!
    I hope the rest of the USA will learn from Sheriff Arpaio on how the take care of the problems of prisoners. Hurray for Sheriff Arpaio and Jan Brewer. Way to go! Maybe the rest of the USA can do the same.

  • jeanelane

    The point is that the President of the U.S.A. is not upholding the Constitution. It is not he who determines what is constitutional and what isn’t. He has gone beyond his responsibility if he is telling the Supreme Court what to do and what not to do. They should be ignoring him. The point is that if someone doesn’t like a law, work to change it. Until it is changed, it is the law, and must be upheld by all in government service. Anything else is anarchy.

    Just because YOU think something is okay, just because YOU think something is right and just and fair, doesn’t mean that is what GOD thinks. And what GOD thinks is all that really matters. GOD has let us know what he thinks. If you don’t agree with him, you are putting yourself as greater than the creator of all. How dumb does that make you?

    • karolyn

      It’s not about the Supreme Court. And he didn’t say not to uphold the law. And why do you people always have to bring God into this. Your God is not the same God I believe in. MY God does not judge, and there is no such place as hell.

      • marmoolaki

        BRAVO Karolyn. Well said!

      • 45caliber

        I’m glad you are happy with your god. However, I am also happy with my God – who says that a man having another man as a lover is a sin. So why should you be trying to limit mine if I’m not supposed to limit yours?

        (Incidently, I’m still praying that you will realize your error and worship the one true God.)

        • karolyn

          I’m happy for you too 45, but why should your beliefs be used to make laws for everybody when everybody is not of the same mind. Why can’t we each just worry about what’s in our own house?

        • marmoolaki

          45,

          1) there are many many religions. all of them think their GOD is the only GOD. Which one is right you think?
          2) for the same exact reason state and religion are separate, else it would become like middle east or killing were done in the name of GOD in history.
          3) SO let’s respect each others GOD.

          and FINALLY because of the above 3 reasons,
          THERE IS ONLY “FACT” and “LOGIC” that can be basis of law and any conversation.

          So honey if you dont have anything except bible to support you, pls do not even bother to get in the field of law. keep it to yourself at your own home. I wish your only GOD rewards you for the hate you shared!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            marmoolaki,
            you talk of all the different religeons in the world. Well, how many of those religeons recognize homosexuality as “normal”?

          • http://naver sook young

            If I remember right, our founding fathers also called God “The Supreme Judge of the World.” You are also wrong by saying that God doesn’t judge. It is him that will judge and not us. Please state some facts and cite some sources to support what you are saying. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            JOE

            WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT RELIGION SEES AS NORMAL OR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SEES AS NORMAL. “…NOR DENY WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS.” OUR CONSTITUTION AND IT IS THE CIVIL LAW WE LIVE UNDER. LIBERTY AND FREEDOM IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT AND NOT HOW ANY RELIGION DEFINES ANYTHING. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO YOU?? IF EQUALITY MEANS EQUAL MEANING THE SAME HOW CAN THE LAW LOOK AT GAYS ANY DIFFERENT THAN IT LOOKS AT YOU.

          • smilee

            sook young says:
            March 10, 2011 at 7:07 am

            If I remember right, our founding fathers also called God “The Supreme Judge of the World.” You are also wrong by saying that God doesn’t judge.

            It is him that will judge and not us.

            WOW!! YOU NEVER COULD CONCLUDE THIS FROM ALL YOUR JUDGMENTAL POSTS ON HERE!!!

            Please state some facts and cite some sources to support what you are saying. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • jeanelane

    And speaking of sins, we all commit them. Evidently most people responding to these blogs believe they are pure and without sin. HA! Gays are no worse that the person who steals paper clips or pens from work. Do you speed? Sin. There is only one cure and it is not putting gays on the chopping block. Take the log out of your eye before trying to take the speck out of someone else’s.

    • smilee

      jeanelane says:
      March 9, 2011 at 12:51 pm

      WOW!! SOMEONE WHO TRULY UNDERSTANDS WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT, REFRESHING FOR A CHANGE ON HERE. THANKS

  • Marlene

    Obama’s stance on DOMA and his newest declaration prompts me think he’s paving his way to dump Michelle. I continue to picture this scenario:

    “Michelle, dear, I have to thank you for giving me two daughters and validating my manliness in the eyes of my detractors. The fact remains that, by passing a law negating DOMA, I have to admit – I love Eric Holder and plan to marry him. Therefore, it’s been nice knowing you and I hope we can continue to be friends. That said, HIT THE ROAD!”

    With that, Barry trips off to the Chicago Gentlemen’s Club to meet Eric.

    • marmoolaki

      Hey Marlene,
      Is that what your husband told you :))))))))))
      Honey you cant force someone to love you. Next time pay more attention and dont blame it on your husband.

      • 45caliber

        Not all of us change lovers every two or three days.

        • karolyn

          45 -So are you implying gays change lovers every two or three days? That is a way too sweeping generalization. When will people get over stereotypes?

        • marmoolaki

          45,

          Based on what research? just because you came up with it and thought it is nice to make up an statement ?? DO you really wanna win in court like this :)))))))))) AGAIN I APPRECIATE YOUR LACK OF LOGIC, NOTHING AND NOBODY COULD HELP US LIKE YOUR WAY OF THINKING IN THE COURT OF LAW.

          + Last time i checked Britney spears and other heterosexual fellows started 8-hour marriage trend. I suggest you to consul them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            thanks Marm,
            you just helped our case quite a bit! you are comparing gays to Brittney Spears who is anything BUT normal!!! So I guess you are saying Gays are anything but NORMAL!!!

          • http://naver sook young

            Are you seeing a doctor for your obvious mental problem? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            CAREFUL!! MANY ON HERE DO NOT THINK YOU ARE NORMAL EITHER!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Neither are you smilee. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Marlene

        Where did I say I was blaming it on my husband, may he rest in peace. At least he was straight and that’s more than I can say about your prez. As for changing mates every few days – never happened and you wrongly jump to conclusions. There’s sure a lot of you defending the gay/lesbian lifestyle.

        • marmoolaki

          Hey Marlene,

          thanks for the response.
          Thats exactly what i meant.
          you dont like someone to tell you that, but you allow yourself to say the same thing to the president of the united states?????

          You owe president of united states an apology (and im sorry if i said that to your husband i just wanted you to see it is hurtful)
          and pls look at straight people they have a campaign to marry for 8-hour to duplicate what Britney spears did!wrong or right has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

          I am waiting to hear that you are sorry that you said that to president. (IF YOU DONT, JUST THINK AGAIN ABOUT THE GOD YOU WORSHIP)

          • Marlene

            I’m not in the least sorry. The president is what he is and that’s how I call him. My sympathies to Michelle. Maybe the next one she marries will be straight. My sympathies to you, too, until you see the errors of your way. They’re perverted.

          • http://naver sook young

            “An American shall have the right to speak out against their elected officials without anything happening to them. This freedom of speech shall not be taken from any American.” U.S. Constitution 1st Amendment. Since this is true, then people speaking out against the president are using their God given right. You, on the other hand, are spewing hate towards people who are anti-gay and anti-Obama. Gee, that doesn’t sound like political speech to me. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Eddie47d

            Since Marlene was implying that Obama is gay apparently you think the same way.

          • smilee

            FOR CERTAIN, MARLENE ANS SOOK KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS WIFE’S SEX LIFE, TO ME IT JUST REVEALS THEY ARE FILLED WITH A LOT OF HATE AND THIS IS ONE WAY THEY EXPRESS IT!!

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry smilee, but I don’t hate the president or the position, just what this one is doing. There is nothing that says I have to like someone is there? You liberals voted for him and now he’s everyones problem. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • patrick

    I simply do not understand what the problem is that no one has started either impeschment or treason trials agains Obammy boy and Holder? What is wrong folks? I know that I’m not alone in wondering why nothing is being done. Am I stupid or did I miss something? Oh and I like the person that suggested a hanging on the whitehouse lawn, just think of how much money we taxpayers would save and also, the time saving where we wouldn’t have to list en to hour upon hour of their bullshit.

    • smilee

      WOW!! YOU CERTAINLY COME OFF AS BEING VERY STUPID AND MISSING QUITE A LOT!!

  • Ronald

    One simple question for all you liberal or progressive supporters of Obama: If George Bush said that he would not defend Roe vs Wade any longer because he didn’t think it was fair to the unborn, Would you go along with him too?

    • marmoolaki

      and Ronal,

      Reagan, Clinton, and both Bushes all didn’t defend some laws, and actively joined in cases against other laws.

      So are you going to change your mind and apologize after giving you this fact? True religious people take responsibility for their actions and after stating facts will apologize if they were wrong.

      Lets see how religious you are …

      • http://naver sook young

        You should do the same thing and let’s see how religious you are. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        P.S. He didn’t say anything he has to apologize for.

  • lee perrell

    i do not under stand how two men can think having pop all over there bed and call that romance. how nasty can you get? and then to let them adopt a little goy and suject him to that is crim – anel

    • F4Bfighter

      You see Sir, If I have the Gender right, if not I am sorry, you are trying to fight with someone who is not the enemy, very brave though. It is clear to me, many from reading the silly statements above and your question asking “how combat veterns are changing the world” that there are many people who do not understand or just do not care about those who fight for their Country, including you, and what it means to all of us. I would like be with you as you ask a veteren who has part of his body missing, your question. Venting happens when one has gas or is trying to camouflage fear. For someone to say “should we just charge in” again shows lack of experience and understanding. To formulate a plan, requires brains and guts. Notice Sir, I did no name calling. Good luck formulating your plan!

      • http://naver sook young

        What does this have to do with the subject? I respect all of our veterans for their service, but the gays are an enemy of this country. They not just seek recognition for their immoral lifestyle, they wish to destroy the traditional marriage, which is part of the basis of our country’s founding. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Eddie47d

          Gays aren’t any one’s enemies.Apparently you have many.

  • marmoolaki

    Lee,
    When you dont like something doesnt mean it is wrong.
    I get disgusted by straight sex but doesnt mean it is wrong.

    American society of mental health and ASA, have no issue with homosexuality and adoption based on science and research.

    Where did you get your psychology or sociology degree??

    you would have flunk at school like you are flunking in court since these people write those books.

    • Jay

      If you are disgusted by straight sex, what sort of sex do you fancy, then? You sound like a plug for same sex marriage!

      • marmoolaki

        Let me break it down for you. Sorry that it went above your head.

        I meant if you are disgusted by something doesn’t give you “RATIONAL BASIS” for discrimination. here we are want to rationally discuss and action, not express our feelings and say it is right because i said so!

        if you dont like something so you wont do it and it is respectable.
        once again:
        IF YOU DONT LIKE SAME SEX MARRIAGE PLSSSS DONT MARRY A PERSON WITH THE SAME SEX.

        • Karolyn

          YES! YES! So basic and logical! Too logical for many, I think.

          • smilee

            DITTO!!! DITTO!!! DITTO!!

        • Jay

          If something disgusts me, of course it gives me the right to discriminate against it, because I’m disgusts me! You silly little but plug.

          • marmoolaki

            Hey jay,

            if your blood pressure has gone up call 911.
            No comment on your statement since it doesn’t even deserve one.

            But by calling me .. plug, you think it makes you right. you think it is a good argument in court to win ?

            Honey you need THERAPY.
            You guys have done nothing but saying GOD/BIBLE/ and insult! Hope it works out for you. I hope you are not raising a kid!

          • http://naver sook young

            Marmoolaki, I’ve had 4 children and none of them like the lifestyle. Once at I.U. Bloomington a “gay” tried making a “pass” at our oldest son (he’s 22), needless to say, that was the last time. My son is still there and the “gay” person left the campus. My son did 2 things: 1) He said, if you do that again, your mother won’t recognize you after I’m done. 2) He went to the student advisor’s office and the chancellor’s office and the person was gone the same week. I’m proud that my son sttod up for himself. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            sookie

            CAN YOU BE TOTALLY CERTAIN IT WAS NOT YOUR SON WHO MADE THE PASS. I SINCERELY DOUBT IF YOU SON WAS GAY HE WOULD TELL YOU AND I AM SURE HE WOULD KNOW WHAT HELL REALLY IS IF HE DID, I DOUBT YOU COULD HANDLE IT AND I’M SURE HE HAS FIGURED THAT OUT!!

  • Ronald

    marmoolaki

    First answer my question, and then prove to me what each president that you described (Only conservatives), because obviously you have different standards for liberals, broke the constitution on, without the help of congress!

  • marmoolaki

    to answer your question:

    1) Yes, as George bush didn’t defend a law in court. I didn’t like it at all, but he had the right by law to choose to defend it or not, so I would ask for his impeachment.
    2) I give you two examples of presidents:

    The George W. Bush administration refused to defend a federal law that denied mass-transit funds to any transportation system that displayed ads advocating the legalization of marijuana. And in the George H.W. Bush administration, the Justice Department refused to defend a federal law providing affirmative action in the awarding of broadcasting licenses — a law subsequently upheld by the Supreme Court by a narrow 5–4 vote.

    Clinton admin. refused to defend in court law kicking HIV+ out of military

    You know just opening someones mouth and say whatever you want is easy but you need to do a bit of homework before that.

    My religious friend time to prove how religious you are?
    waiting for your apology.

  • 45caliber

    This is just one reason of many to impeach Oblama. Let’s get them all at the same time so he’d have less ability to get by.

  • JUKEBOX

    There is no need to waste money trying to impeach Obama, we just need to start a movement like they had in Egypt, and demand his immediate resignation for not defending DOMA, Hiding $105 billion in appropriations in Obamacare, and double counting the $500 billion in Medicare cuts. He makes Nixon look like a saint by comparison.

    • marmoolaki

      JUKEBOX,

      This conversation is about DOMA not health care :))))))))
      WRONG ROOM HONEY :)

      By the way why you republicans when can not answer logic, through in bible then it wont work then jump from one thing to the other and to the other and to the other.

      Thats why you guys can not concentrate on one case and keep flunking in court :) But keep up, people like you make the day in court come sooner and make the decision making for the judges much easier :)

      Thanks for being YOU. NO ONE can and ever helped us more than your way of thinking.

      • JUKEBOX

        I was just citing some more of the frauds he is guilty of that contribute to the need for him to resign. He is a feckless fraud, and I don’t care if he is purple or any combination of colors. When you myrmidons finally find out all the things he has done to this country, I guess you will believe in him to your financial ruin. LOL.

  • http://none jerry e. Tekell

    Did our government not impeach old Bill(Clinton)just for having his way with one of the office staff workers? OH NO!it was jsut because he lied to Congress about the incident…Good old Bill now looks like a church mouse up beside Obama…impeach..should have been done within the first month he was in office without an American birth cetiificant. Just my opinion..JET

    • marmoolaki

      Thanks for comment but:

      1) Bill Clinton was impeached on charges of Perjury and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998, but acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999
      2) This is DOMA conversation and has nothing to do with anything else.

      Thanks for sharing your opinion but it is totally irrelevant.
      OH GOD I wish you guys were more challenging.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        marm,
        I see how you work now. It’s ok for progs and gays to bring up other conservative presidents who did the same thing as nobummer, but it’s a mortal sin if we bring up one Prog pres that did go to a hearing for impeachment!! go try that with your little boyfriend!!!

      • http://naver sook young

        You mention God a lot, but you sure don’t sound Christian to me and I’m a deacon in my church. Just another wolf in sheeps cloting maybe? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • smilee

      JERRY

      HE WAS NEVER QUESTIONED BY CONGRESS, SO HOW COULD HE HAVE LIED TO THEM. IF YOU CANNOT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT YOU WOULD BE WELL ADVISED TO NOT OPEN MOUTH AND INSERT FOOT

  • Ronald

    First of all, your name is a dead giveaway, unless you don’t even know what it means in italian. But, it certainly describes you perfectly.

    So, if George Bush did it you would ask for impeachment, as you stated in your reply…Well, then why are you not asking for Obama’s impeachment?

    Liberals like you with your two standards are part of the problem.

    And, by the way what does religion have to do with this in the first place?

    • marmoolaki

      NOOOOOO,
      1) I answered your question with “yes” meaning i was sad that Bush did that but i had no grounds for impeachment. I like it or if i dont like it. president has the right to do that no matter he is republican or democrat or what the merit is.

      2) I am not Italian and have no clue what it means in Italian!

      So I am waiting for your apology.
      Religious people apologize when they are wrong.

    • Karolyn

      Ronald – You obviously do not know how to spell the word you’re thinking of in Italian. I believe it is mamaluke (that’s how it’s pronounced anyway.) you’re thinking of. It is a term that I believe is used to describe someone who is stupid? They used it all the time in the Sopranos.

      • marmoolaki

        Thanks Karolyn.

        Here is the problem:
        1) His logic of me being wrong is my nickname is similar to a word in Italian :))))))))))))) but i dont know should i laghy or should i cry for him.
        2) Thanks he certainly doesnt know italian neither!

        You know I think people here just dont have logic. they just hate and call each other name.

        It is not challenging at all! Its boring

        • http://?? Joe H.

          then why don’t you LEAVE?????

        • http://naver sook young

          This sounds like someone I know from before… Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          P.S. You are the one that is boring here. Go home to your mother now, little girl. Run home.

          • Eddie47d

            Darn it Sook you have learned well at becoming bitter and nasty.Welcome to America. How is that Deacon job working out?

          • http://naver sook young

            This may be America, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to lie. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • F4Bfighter

    As one reads above, we notice in the replys all say “he should be” “should have been” even in the statements above we notice people are arguing. A good example of why America has failed! The only American Citizens doing anything about changing the world are combat Veterns, all others who hide behind a computer key board as those above, well, keep complaining, writing your silly little statements and powder your nose, at least we know where you are hiding and you certainly you are not hurting anything. Lead follow or Please, stay in your room. America needs Hero’s not someone who puff’s their chest behind a key board. Call yourself Americans ?? What a disappointment!

    • Jay

      Who’s we, by the way? Are there more then one of you? Are you trying to tell us you hide behind a computer keyboard, complaining, writing your silly little statements and occasionally powdering your nose? That way your sure your hurting no one? You know, you should either lead or follow or just stay in your room. We need heros, not little dweebs like you, puffing your chest behind a keyboard. You call yourself American? You are a disappointment! And by the way, how exactly are combat veterans changing the world? How are you changing the world, big talker?

      Yes, its true, there are times when we vent, but we are also trying to understand so as to make sense of it all. How else can you formulate a plan of action? Just charge with full guns blazing, like a maniac?

      • F4Bfighter

        JAY,
        You see Sir, If I have the Gender right, if not I am sorry, you are trying to fight with someone who is not the enemy, very brave though. It is clear to me, many from reading the silly statements above and your question asking “how combat veterns are changing the world” that there are many people who do not understand or just do not care about those who fight for their Country, including you, and what it means to all of us. I would like be with you as you ask a veteren who has part of his body missing, your question. Venting happens when one has gas or is trying to camouflage fear. For someone to say “should we just charge in” again shows lack of experience and understanding. To formulate a plan, requires brains and guts. Notice Sir, I did no name calling. Good luck formulating your plan!

        • Jay

          What do you mean fighting for our country? Are you so deluded, that you actually believe they are fighting for our country? I honestly think they believe they are fighting for our country. But don’t give me the crap that the piss asses in Washington that sent them there, sent them there for the good of our country. Give your head a shake, and spare me the john wayne bullshit.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jay sounds like a true Canadian/American!!

        • http://naver sook young

          Gee, another person repeating themselves. Don’t these liberals have anything better to do then waste our time? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

    • marmoolaki

      Cool,

      So you are suggesting killing people who don’t agree with you
      Great. but one suggestion before you bring your gun and end up in jail for hate crime, really understand if the thing that you will fight for it “logical” or based on hate/bible.

      Even gun and power can not overcome human equality. LOOK AT MEDDLE EAST!

    • Karolyn

      And , may I ask, are you doing?

      • Karolyn

        I meant “What, may I ask, are you doing?”

  • Fox

    Well I got out of reading through all these comments is: God, God, God, I don’t like this president impeach him, God, God, God, Gays are immoral, God, God, God, Gays doom nations, God, God, God, Gays doom marriage. How am I not surprised with the quality of the far right posting blatant nonsense on another DOMA blog.

  • http://com i41

    Jay are you a dumb bastard or what. Over a 110,000 combat service people are buried all over the world and probly 3 times that many went to the bottom of the sea durning WW2. All to make the world a better place to live, several of them are my realitives. Between the dmbocraps and their queer buddies, they keep giving these scumbag faggot more rights than the deserve. If they want to live as perverts, be happy and knock themselves out. But being a pervert, doesn’t give them the rights of a marraige. Right now all you feel good dorks keep thinking the goat abusing muslims are just peaceful misunderstood perverts. Our military personal are the only thing that stands from rgese 3rd world stone age dung bugs and your head coming disconnected with your body. Of course NY, Denver, and San Franwill become slaughter houses, for queers and lezzies and Onumnutts since his written words he said he was a queer, don’t know if he was Frank or if he was Able but Shirely.

    • Fox

      LOL Nice try at making a creditable argument. You lost me when you started up tantrum and said “scumbag fagots”. Nice try though! :)

    • Jay

      He said, changing the world, present tense. I simply asked him how, they are changing the world, now? How the hell do you read disrespect for the veterans in that question? Read more carefully next time.

  • F4Bfighter

    Hello Jay. Are you out there? How’s the plan working out?

  • Jay

    As good as yours, F4Bfighter!

    • marmoolaki

      Jay for two reasons we have a good plan and you need a plan:

      1) American mental institute and ASA removed homosexuality from mental dis-order and now they defend gay people in court.
      2) We keep winning in courts. at least up to now :)

      You good luck

      • Jay

        marmoolaki, you duck arse! Don’t you have spellcheck on you computer?

        1) American mental institute and ASA removed homosexuality from mental dis-order and now they defend gay people in court.
        2) We keep winning in courts. at least up to now

        As for statement 1) What else could you except from an institution that calls itself mental?
        As for statement 2) Just to keep you from going mental.

        Good luck to you!

        • marmoolaki

          Jay,

          Honey, it is “EXPECT” not “EXCEPT” ! dont you have a spell check on your computer? (spell check wouldn’t catch it you need mental check of your sentences)

          1) Sorry, usually people who loose, call each other names. First get your diploma then call scientists mental :))
          2) It is hard loosing on “rational basis” haa :))

          Honey as long as you think you can be irrational Im sorry to say but you will make a fool of yourself ;)
          Good day

          • Jay

            Loose what, exactly? And what have you supposedly won? But its clear that you desperately need affirmation, otherwise you wouldn’t be making such a fuss. Someone who’s at peace with his/her sexuality doesn’t go running to the law, or a mental institution, to force others to accept their depravity! One doesn’t require a diploma, or a degree, to recognize mental instability! Its as plain as the shit on your face, darling sweetie pie.

          • marmoolaki

            Jay,

            and now “shit on my face”!
            No you dont need diploma to see what is rude and what is rational.

            and no one is running to law, we try to change it :)

            Honestly Jay, just INSULTING and more INSULTING is your BEST SHOT?

            Honey you need to get HELP. insulting other people and bullying is a mental condition. you like it or not. They do therapy to find out what is the root cause and try to teach you how to deal with it.

            NO MORE COMMENT FROM ME FOR YOU. I’M BETTER THAN TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS NOTHING BUT CALLING PEOPLE NAMES AND THINKS HE IS A MACHO MAN !!
            I hope you find peace one day or at least stop overcompensating your weakness by bullying.

          • Jay

            What’s irrational, marmoolaki, is someone with your sexual preference, posting statements on a conservative blog. What are you looking for, affirmation, are you proselytizing? What did you expect? If our religious disposition, offends thee, then by all means leave. If you feel we should’t be offended by your lifestyle, why are you offended by our religious convictions? Don’t you think that to be a double standard? We are not saying you don’t a the right to choose your sexual preference, were just saying that the marriage institution belongs to us. Go ahead and start your own, just don’t call it marriage. That would be hypocritical, don’t you think so?

          • Verga

            Jay,

            I read few of the post between you and marnoolaki.

            What he is doing is challenging your statement that “Marriage is yours” logically not emotionally. That’s what people do in blogs.

            All you have done in response to his statements is calling him names.

            So you have not or can not rationally justified why you think so.

            “ Because I say so or because bible says so are not reasons. “

            and the worst: You think swearing makes you right! I don’t even think intelligent conservatives are like you neither.

          • Verga

            Jay,
            First im republican.

            But being conservative doesnt mean you should be illogical.
            In any case, I you think what you are supporting in not reasonable and can not be justified you might think twice about what you are standing up for.

            The conversation is DOMA, it is not a personal thing it is a federal issue.
            So you should be able to pass rational basis test by courts.

            Im just trying to help you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Verga,
            I’m gonna try to help you a little!! First being a republican definately does NOT mean you are a conservative!!! Second, bush was a republican, but he in no way was a conservative!!! Third, one of the biggest give aways to your not being a conservative is your insistance on PC crap!!!

          • Jay

            Verga, do you have any idea as to what you just said? When you figure it out, could you let me know? But I must commend you for coming to mamaluke’s rescue. That’s very Republican of you!

          • Verga

            Jay,
            Let me explain in a simpler way.
            Being conservative = You not accepting reasoning. The response you have given up to now is nothing but bible and rude and harsh words.

            Do you really think being conservative means being irrational and coming across as someone who says stuff just for the sake of saying and does not think he/she needs to have proof and state facts.

            In simpler word you are trying to act like conservative = delusional

          • Eddie47d

            Joe H. If all Liberals and Democrats are commies (your words) Then why can’t all Republicans be Conservatives within the same jest.

  • Ben

    They should not just impeach him just because of DOMA, but in addition to violating Amendment 2, Amendment 4, Amendment 10 and more. He should be defending the U.S. Constitution, not tearing it down.

    He is a Socialist in Democrat’s clothing, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and a Muslim in Christian’s clothing.

    Impeach him already, and those in Congress (both parties) for letting him get away with it, including those that were voted out of office last November. Red Wave rules!

    • marmoolaki

      Ben,

      Pls ready my comment for RONALD.
      IT starts with:

      Reagan, Clinton, and both Bushes all didn’t defend some laws, and actively joined in cases against other laws.

      PLS read and study (LAW is a science) and if you had further logical question i would be more than glad to help.

      And if you just wanna come back and say GOD, BIBLE and call me names as a proof of you being right, pls save it for yourself wince i wont respond :)

      Good Day

      • http://?? Joe H.

        marm,
        I can see you are NOT a lawyer, so I will not even try to give creedence to anything you say about law! Second I agree with the guy above that says you need SPELL CHECK!! It is starting to get hard to understand what you are trying to say!!

        • Verga

          Joe!
          You dont need to be lawyer. Google those cases he mentioned on google and self educate yourself.

          These are facts. you cant fight fact! sorry.

          sorry im coming to conclusion that im wasting my time like marm too.
          You have closed your ear, and opened your mouth, no fact comes out of you but rude statements. Hope it helps you out to compensate for lack of personality. Only a weak person acts like this.

          You think you are rigth because you say so not because you have a reason.
          I think you had a harsh life growing up.

      • Ben

        Hello Marmoolaki,

        Sounds like you were attempting to incite me to call you names. As for Regan, Clinton and Bush, I was not well in tune with politics of the day. I am quite aware of Bush’s violation.

        If ‘Law is a science’ as you say, then why didn’t the public school system teach us ‘Law’ class in K-12 or even in College/Universities?

        I do not believe the public schools did very well teaching us the 10 Commandments, err I mean the U.S. Constitution. If they did, I’d raise hell starting with Lincoln.

        Thank you for your reply, but I really have no intention of name calling. You seem to think everyone is the same. Don’t ass-u-me. D-ooh!

        I just read your statement to Ronald. I stand corrected on what I said.
        I also believe we need to hold the Congressmen responsible for allowing Obama to tear down the Constitution (of course, it would include other Presidents, but Status of Limitation (whatever the correct term is) may be up). Let us focus on the current President.

        I also took Joe H’s suggestion and looked up your name, yikes is all I can say, thinking unpleasant thoughts, but at least I am not saying them.
        Good day, as long as you don’t spout Allah and Koran. No need to reply.

        • karolyn

          Ben – You said “Sounds like you were attempting to incite me to call you names.” Because someone is very polite and doesn’t resert to name-calling means he is trying to incite someone to call him names?

          • Ben

            Hello karolyn,
            Thanks for your reply.

            My point was he did not need to bring that up. :)

      • http://naver sook young

        If you can’t use God and the Bible as sources, then you aren’t a Christian and in fact, in my honest opinion, you are an enemy of this great nation. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        P.S. You haven’t won anything, but actually have lost badly due to your lack of intelligence and be being an antagonist.

        • karolyn

          So Sook, you are saying that anyone who is not a Christian in this country is anti-American?????

  • http://?? Joe H.

    I suggest everyone here put marmoolaki into their search engine and see what it is connected to!!!! how long have you been muslim MARM??? did you come here so you could get away with your life style??

    • Verga

      Joe,

      Marm muslim or … does it really matter?
      so being conservative means in discussion instead of being logical:
      1) call the other party name!
      2) make fun of their ID
      3) Background check is a must

      and you really think by this strategy you will win DOMA in court!
      thanks now i understand what conservative means = an illogical prejudice person who thinks is above all law and no need to be reasonable!

    • karolyn

      I think Marmoolaki was the most polite poster in this discussion. Think about it!

      • Jay

        Karolyn, you say that because you are obviously of the same stripe. Polite and offensive, are relative terms, always applied at the discretion of personal bias! Quite frankly, I found many of your statements, offensive!

        • karolyn

          You have got to be kidding!

        • Eddie47d

          Which ones Jay??

  • GotSense

    The fact is Obama is the president of The “Corporation” of The United States of America, and not the Republic. You don’t have to be a citizen of this country to become a president of a “Corporation”, but you do have to be a citizen of this great country to become president of the “Republic of the United States of America”

  • Pete

    DOMA ? I don’t know the law very well, I’m not a lawyer. I’ve read alot of comments here and I hear the same cliches, propaganda and illogic from both sides.

    This is where I disagree with you all. The US Constitution doesn’t allow a government preference on practice of religion. But here is where most of your logic is wrong. Some of you equate that this means an atheist/agnostic government. This rationality is wrong. The government of the USA is an THEISTIC government. The founding document of the Declaration of Independence gives the philosophical argument of a Creator who exists …

    So here is the great debate, who is the Creator that has given us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness …

    Reasons’s daughter Philosophy has gone far enough – God exist (the Creator) who has given us rights … If Philosophy says a Creator exists this opens up a whole new logical calculus ..

    Now we have to consult with Reason’s other daughter – Theology..
    Their is a separation between an establishment of religion, but their is no wall of separation when it come to Reason, Philosophy, and Theology. How ? Because this is a Republic where freemen (and freewomen) rule . The individual rules and has been given the sanction to rule by God..

    So this is where the ethical consideration of DOMA stands. You are going to have to Reason it out according to Philosophy and Theology.

    Hey, we got our TV privileges back a few days ago at the funny farm ! I’m going to go watch Star Trek …

    • Verga

      Oh thanks GOD finally someone makes some sense.
      Very glad to see at least one person here.

      but here is the thing. Religion can not be basis for discrimination.
      Yes we are a nation under GOD, BUT we have lots of religions going on under this GOD. so one ends up wondering which one to listen to which GOD.

      That’s why religion and state are separate.
      and when it comes to LAW, you need to have “Rational Basis” for your argument. courts DO NOT accept religious basis for arguments.

      Thats how both DOMA and prop 8 has failed in federal court and called unconstitutional by this administration.

      I dont say you can not have your own idea. you can even hate gays and it is respected by me BUT NO LAW CAN BE BASED ON THIS.
      your personal belief is respectable on DOMA & Pro 8 BUT WHEN IT COME TO LOGICAL DEBATE IT CAN NOT STAND SINCE IT CANT PASS “RATIONAL BASIS”

      I didnt come up to this structure, but if people could just discriminate based on their personal believes and religion, it WILL BECOME VERY VERY DANGEROUS.

      Imagine the day Muslim say,they are the nation under GOD and can discriminate against whoever is not muslim. They can kill any non-muslim just because they say so and QUARAN says so. That’s why religious was separated from state.

      • http://naver sook young

        Separation of chruch and state aren’t mentioned anywhere in our Constitution. I think you liberals on this site are viewing the same blog site. So many of your answers sound the same. Why? Lack of knowledge on your parts? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Eddie47d

          Thomas Jefferson said in his report to the Danbury Baptists in 1802 that “there should be a wall of separation between church and state”. The First Amendment also states “that the Congress should make no laws respecting an establishment of religion” . Maybe the term “separation of church” isn’t in the Constitution but it certainly is implied.

          • http://naver sook young

            You forgot “…or the free exercise thereof.” So there is no wall at all. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • marmoolaki

          Sook,
          The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law “respecting an establishment of religion”, impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

          you know, not knowing something and then finding it out is ok. but attacking people and commenting like you know it all when the fact is 180 degree different, is LAME.

          you would come across as a teenager who acts like i know it all.

          • http://naver samurai

            Been looking in the mirror lately, hmmm? I suggest that you take some of your own advise. I haven’t seen you post a fact yet, just a bunch of left wing propaganda and no sources to back up what you are saying. You are another one who has earned the name “moron” from me. You’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn, but believe me, you have earned this name. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • marmoolaki

            Sumarai,
            Sorry i didnt see your comment.
            I dont have proof what first amendment says :))))))))))
            Honey Google first amendment of US constitution and READ…

            You are such an uneducated person. I suggest you before signing your comments with “GOD and Country” read your countries constitution :))
            Im sure your understanding of GOD is as shallow as your country!

            Either you are super uneducated or an idiot!

  • Ned Flaherty

    Joe H wrote, “Name what rights I have that the gays don’t?” because he doesn’t know even the basic facts in the 9 federal cases (so far) challenging the constitutionality of DOMA. There are over 1,100 federal benefits which opposite-sex couples could receive solely because there genders are different, but which same-sex couples can not receive, solely because their genders are the same. The withholding of those 1,100 benefits was the intent — and is the effect — of DOMA.

    • Verga

      Ned,

      Pls dont waste your time.
      These so called conservatives, believe they are right because they say so, not because they can prove.

      In response to the facts, they keep saying GOD, Bible and as the last resort they call others “But Plug”, “Ass hole”,”Duck”, “Pervert”, “PC Crap” and … .

      and funny, one of them says american mental institute is mental since they removed homosexuality as a mental dis-order! Thinking it makes him right! the otehr one was saying when two male sleep together it cause their brain to get damaged beyond repair!!!!!!

      There is no logic, brain, fact, research presented here and so glad these people will never run this country.

      • Jay

        Verga, you sound so frustrated. You use the word religion with notable disdain. Could you offer me your definition of the word? I’m willing to bet that its the same generic, offensive, and juvenile definition that all enemies of Christianity posses. Would it shock you, if I were to tell you, that you, Verga, are religious, and quite the zealot, to boot. In fact, the atheist is religious, as well the homosexual, and so on. The true definition of religion, is conviction expressed through your thinking, word, and behaviour. Therefore, all are religious! If you wish to point out moral superiority, or moral inferiority, that, is a different issue all together. As for name calling, you have done a pretty good job yourself. Lastly, you seem to apply a great deal more emotion, then you do in intellect!

        • karolyn

          Jay, I am currently studying Religion in college, and there are many wordy and complex definitions of religion. I have not come across the one you stated.

          • Jay

            You should change College!

          • karolyn

            Jay – Try reading “Understanding Religion in a Global Society.” It’s a standard college textbook. Religious or religiosity can be used to signify a certain amount of diligence in a given area. If you read the book it might enlighten you to a lot of things! It is not slanted in any way, but is an academic study.

          • marmoolaki

            JAY,
            My uneducated friend, read:

            A religion has two components which must both be present. It is a
            formalized system of ritual and belief. It is focussed on a supernatural being or beings.

            saying is “if atheism is a religion then not playing baseball is a sport”

            and they think for people who believe it is a religion:
            Maybe it is because these people are so caught up in their own religious beliefs that they cannot imagine any person living without religion of some sort.

            Are you going to apologize ? are you going to thank me to spend my time to correct what you believed in Atheism ??

        • Ben

          Verga and karolyn,

          Jay is actually right. Atheism is a religious. It is an action of disbelief of God. A continuing effort of not believing in God. Has to do with God, therefore, a religious.

          As for homosexuality, Gay men think about the ‘cock’. Cock-worshiping is a form of idolatry. For example, sucking it, getting screwed by it, size-queen, pictures of different ones, and more. You get the idea.

          As for heterosexual, same thing, unless you are married.

          Anyone has a right to disagree, but does not mean we have to back off.
          Seems like the fight continues.

          • karolyn

            NO! Atheism is not a religion. It does not fit the parameters of the definitions of religion. As for your inference that homosexuals are idolators, that is totally ridiculous and hilarious!

        • Jay

          Jay – Try reading “Understanding Religion in a Global Society.” It’s a standard college textbook. Religious or religiosity can be used to signify a certain amount of diligence in a given area. If you read the book it might enlighten you to a lot of things! It is not slanted in any way, but is an academic study.

          First of all, I don’t try reading, I can read. As for the textbook you recommended, you failed to include the author(s). Its not slanted in any way, because you are in agreement. If religious or religiosity, and I presume you are quoting from the textbook, can be used to signify a certain amount of diligence in a given area, then what is the stimulus of said diligence? Seems to me, diligence that is stimulated by conviction? What conviction? That’s individually determined of course. But the line we just explored, should have enlightened you to the fact, that the area where one exercises diligence, is the same area through where one applies his/her conviction. If you apply due diligence to area, where you attempt to persuade someone to your conviction, that a particular lifestyle is commendable, then what are you found to be doing? Practising your religion!!!!!!!

    • Jay

      The federal benefits that are presently denied to them is not because their genders are different, but because they are trying to qualify for said benefits through the union of marriage. Ned, you may be right, it has more to do with these benefits, undoubtedly , then anything else. Thanks for the clarification!

      • Jay

        In case you misunderstood, they use the pretence to legitimate same- sex marriage, so as to disguise their true intent. BENEFITS!!!!

        The President’s decision not to defend Section 3 of DOMA, which prohibits the legal recognition of same-sex marriages, is in essence, a violation! Until its revised, it must be defended.

        The White House advised the Department of Justice to no longer defend the Constitutionality of the law.

        Thats convenient, refuse to defend the Constitutionality of the law. How could this man possibly qualify to be President?

        Why not shred the Constitution, and be done with it? Make no mistake, that’s the prize he covets the most!

        • karolyn

          NO, it’s not just benefits. It’s LOVE. It’s having a say in a partner’s healthcare, especially end-of life. It’s being considered family when a loved one is in the hospital. It’s wanting to celebrate a relationship. I’m sure if I talked to my gay friend, he would have a lot more to say.

          • Jay

            NO, it’s not just benefits. It’s LOVE. It’s having a say in a partner’s healthcare, especially end-of life. It’s being considered family when a loved one is in the hospital. It’s wanting to celebrate a relationship. I’m sure if I talked to my gay friend, he would have a lot more to say.

            Are you saying that the only way you can experience love, celebrate a relationship, being considered family, can only be made possible, through legislation? What kind of culture, is this homosexual culture, that doesn’t already provide such necessities. You truly are lost, aren’t you? Now I understand why you go, hat in hand, to Daddy Government. Rather then our rude comments, we should extend to you, our pity.

      • marmoolaki

        Jay,

        you are soooooooooooo shallow.
        NO THE ONLY WAY TO CELEBRATE YOUR LOVE IS NOT THROUGH LEGISLATION.
        SO WHY YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY THROUGH LEGISLATION??

        Did you even read Ned comment.
        again, bla bla, religion, bla bla, cock and ….

        Honey being homosexual is not a disease nor disorder.
        First prove it is, tryst me i will listen to you. but until you can scientifically prove plsssssssssssssss shut up.

        • http://naver samurai

          It’s true that they have allowed satan to fill their hearts and are a perversion of what God has ordained. Actually they do worship someone and it sure isn’t God. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Ned Flaherty

    Most commenters here are largely ignorant in 4 areas:

    Q1. the natures of the pending federal cases;
    Q2. the prerequisites for defending a law’s constitutionality.
    Q3. the actions taken by the White House and Department of Justice;
    Q4. the fundamental legal differences between “defend” and “enforce” and “uphold;” and

    These brief summaries will start to fill in some of the gaps for commenters Wandamurline, Edie, Dan, Joe H., BlueEyeSol, Forrest, Ellen, James, Joyce from Loris, Jeanelane, Ben, and others.

    A1. NATURES OF THE CASES. Most commenters here don’t know what the DOMA cases are about, and don’t know what standards of evidence are required. But knowing both is necessary before one can have an intelligent discussion. In challenges to DOMA’s constitutionality in New York (about inheritance) and in Connecticut (about pensions and medical leave), federal courts now require Heightened Scrutiny to determine the constitutionality of DOMA. The courts require Heightened Scrutiny for 4 reasons: (1) because of the long history of discrimination against sexual orientation minorities, (2) because orientation has nothing to do with government purposes, (3) because orientation is irrelevant to anyone’s contribution to society, and (4) because of the clear animus toward fellow Americans shown by members of Congress in arguments that became scientifically false and legally unjustifiable after DOMA was passed.

    A2. PREREQUISITES TO DEFENDING A LAW’S CONSTITUTIONALITY. Despite the courts’ requirement that Heightened Scrutiny be applied to DOMA to determine its constitutionality, the only defenses that anyone in Congress offered over the last 15 years were all based on hatred, fear, junk science, religion, untruths, and on the false assumption that sexual orientation can render someone a morally inferior criminal. Using their own 1996 arguments, DOMA’s drafters proved that their sole purpose was to unfairly discriminate. After DOMA was passed, those arguments became scientifically false and legally unjustifiable. Any member of Congress who dares to appear in a federal courtroom trying to defend DOMA now will be forced to adhere to the courts’ high standard of proof, a standard that DOMA’s Congressional supporters were never able to meet. The bigotry and religious belief on which they based DOMA are not admissible as courtroom evidence, reading from religious texts proves nothing, and calling people names wins no legal argument.

    A3. ACTIONS TAKEN. Many commenters wrote — incorrectly — that President Obama and the U.S. Department of Justice are no longer defending DOMA. That’s untrue. Obama and DoJ ceased defending DOMA because under the strict criteria laid down by the courts, DOMA is no longer defensible. DOMA failed to meet the courts’ strict criteria for constitutional defenses from the outset, not only in its text, but also in the arguments made by the Congressmen who voted for it. In particular, DOMA lost its eligibility for constitutional defenses because of two separate sets of developments — the legal decisions and the latest science — that came into being over the last 15 years since DOMA was passed in 1996.

    A4. DEFEND vs. ENFORCE vs. UPHOLD. Many commenters wrote — again, incorrectly — that President Obama and the DoJ are not enforcing DOMA. That is untrue. Obama and DoJ both confirmed in writing last month that they jointly agreed to continue temporarily enforcing DOMA, until Congress repeals it or until the courts overturn it in the 9 cases pending so far.

    Many commenters here want federal law to enforce their own religion’s definitions of sanctity, holiness, and saintliness upon all other Americans. But America was founded on both freedom of religion, and on freedom FROM religion, which leaves everyone free to adopt whatever religious beliefs they wish, and which gives no one the power to impose religious beliefs upon anyone else. Consequently, federal law may not make the receipt of over 1,100 government benefits depend upon the recipient’s sanctity, holiness, or saintliness as defined by someone else’s religion.

    Commenters here would never let another sect’s religious beliefs be forced upon them, so they should play fair and stop trying to impose their beliefs upon others. To impose their religion upon others, they would first need to move to a theocratic nation where their religions are mandated by federal law, and where those outside of their religions are criminals. America is not such a nation.

    Commenters here could have avoided all 4 of these mistakes if they had just read the complete DoJ announcement (“Statement of the Attorney General on Litigation Involving the Defense of Marriage Act,” Department of Justice Public Affairs Office, 23 February 2011).

    • karolyn

      THANK YOU!

    • Ben

      Ned,
      Thanks for the clarification of Obama not defending DOMA.
      Thanks for even mentioning me after only one comment at that time.

      Obama made an effort to look for a reason to not defend DOMA. Interesting.

    • smilee

      THANKS,

      SELDOM DO WE SEE THIS LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE ON THIS SITE AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION!

  • Ridge Runner

    Marmoolaki From your comments you sound like you could be most any thing if you just got down on your knees and growled Idon’t realy know what you are but you sound like your creater gave you a dirty deal Do you have a bag with one tit or four tits or no bag with three tits or four legs and no hands. You said straight sex disgusted you what turns you do you hop around like a kanaroo,or frog. stand on your head or do flip flops while having sox.I feel sorry for any one that is born as a homosexualbecause it is not normalThere is defently some thing gone wrong inthe genetic make up of their body.I know that you and others may not think so but to me it is aginst the laws of nature.I am sorry that it happened to you but i am glad that it didn’t happen to me, I will have to go with the senator from louisiana ain”t no man supposed to stick his di** in another man a**

    • karolyn

      I eel sorry for you having to live with such a small mind.

    • marmoolaki

      Ridge,
      Thanks for calling me more names :)) surely it makes you be right.

      here for the tenth time:
      1) Scientists, psychologists and sociologists say homosexuality is not a disease nor disorder.
      American psychology institute and ASA (Surely you dont even know what it stands for, have already proved it 40 years ago.

      So until you publish your research and prove them wrong, pls spend your time in the lab.

      Just swearing doesnt make you right honey :) and certainly will not work in court and DOMA’s case :)

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Trinbty College,

    Myth and Realty:
    For many people, much of what they think they know about GLBT people is based on the myths they’ve heard about them, not the realities. Sorting out the myths and realities can lead to greater self-awareness which motivates us to learn more and become accepting of those whose sexual orientation may be different from our own.
    • People who are lesbian, gay, and transgender can usually be identified by certain mannerisms or physical characteristics.

    GLBT people come in as many different shapes, colors, and sizes as do heterosexuals. Only a very small percentage has stereotypic mannerisms and characteristics. In fact, many heterosexuals portray a variety of the so-called gay stereotypic characteristics. Some members of different subcultures may tend to mimic or imitate specific behaviors in an effort to “fit in.”

    • In a GLBT relationship, one partner usually plays the “husband” or “butch” role and the other plays the “wife” or “femme” role.

    This is an old pattern that was evident in some gay or lesbian relationships when gay and lesbian people had only the traditional heterosexual relationships as a model. Today, most gay and lesbian people work to develop relationships based on principles of equality and mutuality where there are loved for who they are and not for the roles they play. There is no right or wrong way that prescribes how to divide roles between partners.

    • We do not know what causes homosexuality.

    This is by far one of the most controversial issues. Perhaps a better question would be: “What determines our sexual orientation?” To date, no research has conclusively established the causes of either homosexuality, bisexuality, or heterosexuality. Some believe that orientation is predetermined genetically or hormonally. Others maintain that all humans are predisposed to all variations of sexual/affectionate behavior and learn their orientation.

    • Most people who are lesbian or gay could be cured by having really good sex with a member of the other sex.

    There are no cures. Many gay and lesbian people have had satisfying heterosexual experiences in their lifetime. Most people who identify as gay or lesbian would never choose to be sexually active with members of the other sex and would resent and challenge the inference that heterosexuals have a corner on the market of “good sex.”

    • The majority of child molesters are gay or lesbian.

    Statistics regarding child molestation prepared by the Boston Advocates for Human Rights reveal that, “the vast majority of child molestation – over 90% – is performed by heterosexual males. The man who is sexually interested in children is rarely homosexual.”

    • Most people who are lesbian or gay regard themselves as members of the other sex.

    Most, if not all, gay and lesbian people are very happy with their gender. In many ways, their identity is seen as a celebration and affirmation of their gender, not a rejection of it. Many times people confuse homosexuality with transsexuality or transvestism. Transsexual people feel as if they were born into the wrong body and should be the other sex. Transvestites are people who often dress in the traditional clothing of the other sex. Most transvestites are heterosexual.

    • Homosexuality is not “natural,” that is, it does not exist in nature; therefore this proves it is dysfunctional.

    Each culture defines what is “natural” to fit its own context. Historians tell us that homosexuality has existed since the earliest of human societies. Anthropologists report that lesbians and gay men have been part of every culture. In one study of non-Western cultures, 64% of the respondents considered homosexuality as “normal and socially acceptable.” It is also a well known fact that same sex behavior is “natural” between animals.

    • People who are GLBT should not be teachers because they will try to convert their students to their lifestyle.

    It is impossible to convert heterosexuals to being homosexuals, just as it is impossible to convert homosexuals to being heterosexuals. Based on what is known about sexual attraction, this is simply not possible.

    • People who are GLBT have made a conscious decision to be that way.

    While researchers continue to disagree on the causes of sexual orientation, most agree that there is a predisposition or genetic relationship involved. The only place where choice seems to come into play is when GLBT people decide how they will acknowledge the identity that they are. “Coming Out,” or acknowledging one’s sexual orientation, to oneself or others, can be a lifelong process. GLBT people are often in a continual state of deciding whom to come out to, and with whom to “stay in the closet.”

    • There are very few “bisexuals;” most people are either completely homosexual or heterosexual.

    The pioneering studies of Dr. Alfred Kinsey and his associates are most frequently cited on this question. This data suggested that, in fact, few people are predominantly heterosexual or homosexual. Most people fall somewhere along the continuum between these two end of the scale, and thus, have the capacity to experience both affection and sexual feelings for members of both sexes.

    • There are some significant differences among the lifestyles of GLBT people.

    This tends to be a true statement in that all people tend to develop their own individual lifestyle. Just like there are differences between the lifestyles between men and women, there are differences between the lifestyles of gay men and lesbians. It is also important to note that there are significant distinctions between the communities. For example, just as there are a variety of different women, so are there a variety of different lesbians.

    • Homosexuality is a type of mental illness and can be cured by appropriate psychotherapy.

    In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of official mental illnesses. In 1974 the American Psychological Association did the same. The APA went further to state that: “Homosexuality, per se, implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capacities.”

    • One homosexual experience as an adolescent will play a large part in determining whether a person will be homosexually oriented as an adult.

    Many, and perhaps most, gay and lesbian people have had early heterosexual experiences, and continue to identify themselves as gay or lesbian. Similarly, there are many heterosexual people who have had sexual contact with a person of the same sex, and continue to define themselves as heterosexual. Sexual orientation for most people goes well beyond just sexual acts, including both a culture and lifestyle.

  • Ben

    Everyone,

    Today, the White House is hosting an ‘Anti-bullying’ summit.

    Isn’t it ironic?

    Obama administration is bullying Americans to purchase Health insurance or go to jail, pay fines (school yard bully takes our lunch money, or get punched in the face).

    Obama administration bullying Americans to give up guns, soon we will get punish if we use it against rapist with a knife, unless the rapist has a gun, then we can use it. Seriously!

    Obama administration is bullying Americans living in Arizona with a lawsuit that the State passed illegal immigration (notice I said illegal, not immigrants, but I-L-L-E-G-A-L)laws.

    To top it off, Obama administration is bullying Americans into accepting gay marriage by not defending the DOGMA, err, I mean DOMA.

    What is a big bullying doing hosting the Anti-bullying summit at the White House? American’s own house.

    This has made me sick. I need an enema.

    • karolyn

      You need more than that! Kids are killing themselves over bullying. It needs more attention!

      • Jay

        This is true. Kids are committing suicide on an unprecedented scale. Its an absolute tragedy! This is not a joke!!!

      • Ben

        karolyn,

        I was not talking about suicide. I was talking about the irony of the White House hosting a summit on bully when in fact they are bullying rest of America.

        As for suicide, I am quite aware that bully victims lead to suicide. Just a week before Thanksgiving last November, this girl, 18 years, not even a victim of bully, hung herself right below my apt., under my bedroom.

        Jay, you are right. It is not even a joke.
        Jut to clarify, the Irony of the White House hosting bully summit, when they do that themselves through politics makes me sick, needing an enema is no joke either.

        Enjoy your day everyone.

        • marmoolaki

          Ben,

          did you read what NED explained??
          did you study the cases i presented to you in the past??

          pls study a bit more then talk. keep repeating yourself with no scientific or history proof and even knowledge of the law just makes you look like a joke (Not in the right way though)

          • Jay

            Marmoolaki, have you ever considered improving your grammar?

          • Ben

            marmoolaki,
            Yes, I read what Ned F. wrote. I mentioned that in my other comment elsewhere. Just acknowledging to you I did read it.

        • Jay

          I had no problem understanding what you meant. The irony is obvious just the same. No one should be bullied into to paying for this health care. Good observation!

          • marmoolaki

            Wrong room,

            this is DOMA room.
            if i was the author of this article I would think twice on my belief if I saw the attitude and distraction of the people who are defending me.

            READ BEN’s comment. time for you to prove how brave/religious you are :)

          • Ben

            Jay, OK, just making sure.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Bloodhound

    It is way past time for Impeachment, but, better late than never! I served under President Nixon thru Reagan, and have loved and respected each and every President I served under, actually, since I was old enough to understand what a President was, the Shining Light of our Government and our Great Nation. Even Carter had my respect, didn’t do much as a President, but I thought he was a good man. Never voted for Bush either, didn’t waste my time during the Gore/Bush campaign, didn’t think either were worth spitting on. Voted for Kerry the last time, and didn’t want McCain, but I sure wasn’t gong to vote for the Community Racist Organizer! Obama, I can honestly say, I have no Respect for and I think he is the Most UnAmerican, AntiChristian, Corrupt Ba$tards that has ever Lied his way into the Oval Office and it will be a Great Day for American when this Idiot is gone! Impeachment and Imprisonment would make most of America very happy!

    • marmoolaki

      Bloodhound,

      Reagen really?? You know he didnt defend some laws in court neither right?? or did i break the news for you??

      Study, educate yourself then talk. this way people respect you.
      else some other bullies in this blog might appraise you but you will not be accepted in society as a respected citizen.

  • Jay

    What does society say about homosexuality? Well in 1881 there was a born a man who left an immense impact on human history, his name was Sigmund Freud. Among many human behaviors which were curiosities to him was the behavior of sodomy. He became very interested in dealing with sodomites and in understanding them. He determined after some supposed research that sodomy was a psychological disorder and that it was directly related to a domineering mother. By the way, that viewpoint still hangs around today and you hear people articulate it. He said basically, “It’s just a disorder that comes because you were dominated by your mother and you grow up hating the one who dominated you. And since the one who dominated you was a woman, you hate women and so you attach your sexual fantasy to men.” That’s been a very popular viewpoint.

    In the 1930′s there came a man by the name of Havelock Ellis. Havelock Ellis published a manual, a sex book and in that sex book he brought sodomy into the open. This is the 1930′s. And he pointed out, supposedly, some famous sodomites. He concluded that there were great men among the sodomites and that they accomplished what they did because there was an unusual genius associated with sodomy.

    He said, “Frankly, Freud is wrong. It is not a psychological disorder generated by a domineering mother, it is hereditary, it is genetic and it is a higher level of genius than just normal folks possess.” He wrote about Erasmus, the Dutch humanist sixteenth century, and said he was homosexual. He said Christopher Marlowe, the English poet, was homosexual. Michael Angelo, the Italian genius, painter, architect was a homosexual, Lord Byron, Francis Bacon, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, some of them were, by the way, history does indicate that. I’ll never forget reading the autobiography of Oscar Wilde who said at the end of his life to his horror and shame that what he was in secret all his life he had to finally shout from the housetop. But he said, “Look at all these geniuses,” and he picked the selective list of people out of the run-of-the-mill sodomites and made it appear as if it was a higher level of genius to which some people were born.

    So since Freud and Ellis and others who have embellished both viewpoints, you can take your pick. Did your mother do it to you because she was nasty and domineering? Or did your mother and father do it to you genetically? And there’s still debate. The reason there is still debate is because no one can prove it’s hereditary. Furthermore, no one can prove that homosexuals have in common a domineering mother.

    Then along came a real fraud by the name of Albert Kinsey with a famous Kinsey Report. In the 1940′s and the 1950′s he published the famous Kinsey Reports on Sexuality. He was a sexual pervert himself and so was trying to prove a point before he even did his research. He wanted to justify adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and any other kind of deviant sex so he fabricated his figures, fabricated his research. The book, Kinsey Sex and Fraud, that debunks the famous Kinsey report, is a must read . It debunks the entire Kinsey report and shows how fraudulent the figures were. It was he, you remember, who said that in the result of his research, that one out of ten people were sodomites. And this normalized it. One out of ten were sodomites. That is not true, has never been true, may some day in the future be true, if their media campaign is continuously successful. He tilted and twisted and fabricated the statistics to make it look like everyone was an adulterer, everyone was a fornicator, everyone was having affairs illicitly out of their marriage, and one out of ten people were sodomites.

    This was followed up by the American Psychiatric Association which declassified sodomy as a mental sickness, and removed it from its lists of standard diagnostic diseases and illnesses. And the American Psychiatric Association decided to buy into Havelock Ellis and say it was hereditary. And once Kinsey kicked in the door with his false figures, and everybody thought homosexuality was just normal, and one out of ten people were homosexuals…And that, by the way, is why in the L.A. public school system, the homosexual awareness and the homosexual advocacy lobby, is called Project Ten. That comes from the Kinsey Report, the one out of ten that has led to the epidemic of today. And if you were to consider, all the talk-show hosts from Phil Donahue on through, you will note, that they create a platform which further normalizes this kind of deviant behavior. There is no evidence…there is no evidence that homosexuality is a result of a domineering mother. There is no evidence that homosexuality is a result of genetics. There is plenty of evidence that homosexuality is a choice. You may have certain susceptibility to it. There may be some people who are more tempted in that area. But it primarily has to do with choice.

    • karolyn

      Here I go with the old response: Why would somebody CHOOSE to lead a life filled with hate and bigotry? How do 5 year olds even know what they’re choosing? And, yes, I have known people and seen people on TV who have said they knew they were different in early childhood. Is it possible that there would be more homosexuals if parents allowed their children to be who they were instead of molding them into what the parents want them to be? I also reiterate what I posted a couple of days ago on another blog: I wonder how many people, if they were GUT honest, would admit to the possiblity that they just might be interested in members of the same sex? We all have it in us. And I’m talking GUT HONEST here. Especially women!

      • Jay

        You have great conviction in your religion! That’s very commendable!

        • marmoolaki

          JAY,

          1) Scientists, psychologists and sociologists say it is not a choice.
          American psychology institute and ASA (Surely you dont even know what it stands for, have already proved it 40 years ago.

          Why you dont publish your research and present to them so they can review ??? Then you dont need to get frustrated.

          2) As far as society goes. Forty-three percent gave that response to Gallup in 1977; 55% did in 2008. Should homosexuality be considered an acceptable alternative life style? Again from Gallup, 34% agreed in 1982, 57% do today. THIS IS BASED ON forbes study.
          so even now you are in minority. and do you see how it is changing??

          Im so sorry, Im sure you dont have logic. call me but plug again :) hope it makes you feel better.

          • Jay

            Proved it how? Where is your data? Please provide the data that supports one is born gay!

          • marmoolaki

            Jay,

            American mental association and American society of psychology & American Psychiatric Association,
            removed homosexuality from a disorder and disease in 1973.
            and explained it is a NORMAL variation in a human beings sexual orientation (Like we dont all have same height)
            and that’s all began, domestic partnership right, adoption right and now marriage.

            I want to know how can you prove them that they were wrong? they proved they are right and thats what they did.

          • Jay

            Marmoolaki, I asked for data, not opinion!

            Data: Facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.

          • marmoolaki

            Jay,

            these are not my opinion these organizations are ultimate knowledge based on their research.

            Jay go get your psychology degree, it is in their books and thats how they are teaching it. THATS how it was removes AS MENTA DISEASE.
            to be short read: Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
            and go to: http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
            here APA explains his research.

            Call them they provide the best books for you to read.

            Bottom line when they conclude based on scientific data, if you dont agree is fine just bring your data.

          • Jay

            Marmoolaki, I went on the site you provided, and, as to data to support the assertion below, none was provided. Again, speculation, assertion and opinion.

            According to the site: Do people choose to be gay?

            No, human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.

            Again, where is the data??? I supplied you with the definition.

          • marmoolaki

            I told you JAY,

            APA is the ultimate organization on psychology. they comment is based on years of research. This is taught in schools now.

            I gave you a book to study also.

            Jay, these are the same people who were saying homosexuality is a disorder before 1973. You understand that right?

            go here: http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientation.pdf
            call them, their phone number is there they can guide you.

            But best thing for you is reading books, they include all the experiments they performed and result of their researchs.

          • marmoolaki

            Since i know you are lazier than opening a book here is some summary:

            The APA’s Nomenclature Committee met in February of 1973. Among those present at the meeting, Dr. Seymour Halleck stressed that there was no scientific evidence supporting the theory that homosexuality was a developmental disorder. He stated that homosexuality should be considered a “common behavior[al] variant.” He stated that “deletion
            of the diagnosis of homosexuality is not only a humanistic step, it is dictated by the best scientific information available.” Dr. Wardell Pomeroy, a collaborator with Kinsey, presented sections of the 1948 study that had been sharply critical of psychiatric orthodoxy.
            He suggested that psychiatry should have accepted those
            conclusion 25 years earlier and said “I have high hopes that even psychiatry can profit by its mistakes and can proudly enter the last quarter of the twentieth century.” Dr. Alan Bell or the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University presented his own work and that of Evelyn Hooker. He stated that well-adjusted homosexuals and heterosexuals have more in common than disturbed and
            well-adjusted persons of either sexual orientation. Charles Silverstein presented the work of many scientists showing that the DSM classification was not consistent with a scientific perspective. His presentation included the work of Freud, Evelyn
            Hooker, Alfred Kinsey, Ford and Beach, Marmor, Green, and Hoffman. In
            conclusion, Silverstein stated “I suppose what we’re saying is that you must choose between the undocumented theories that have unjustly harmed a great number of people and continue to harm them and … controlled scientific studies..

            It is no sin to have made an error in the past, but surely you will mock the principles
            of scientific research upon which the diagnostic system is based if you turn your backs on the only objective evidence we have.” (Bayer, pp. 118-121)

            LOOK THESE RESEARCHES AND PRESENTATIONS UP. I CANT DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU. YOU NEED TO HELP YOURSELF TOO.

          • Karolyn

            Jay, you know damn well that there is no way to prove or disprove that people are born gay! Quit beating a dead horse. Until some variant is discovered, it is what it is. How can you tell someone who has been gay their whole life, since recognizing differences in childhood, that they were not born that way? They are the best judges of that. Why can you not believe them? I saw a shoe recently with a boy who, at nine years old, felt that he was really a girl in a boy’s body. His enlightened parents are allowing him to be who he is. How can you judge or condemn anyone for what they feel in the core of their being is right???

          • smilee

            IF A SOCIETY TRULY BELIEVES IN FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, AS WE CLAIM IN THIS COUNTRY WHY DOES IT MATTER WEATHER IT IS BY CHOICE OR BY GENETICS, TO ME IT IS IRRELEVANT. AS MOST GAYS SEEM TO THINK IT IS WHO THEY ARE AND NOT A CHOICE FOR THEM WHO AM I AS A HETEROSEXUAL TO QUESTION THEM OR ANYONE. THEIR ORIENTATION HAS NO EFFECT ON MY LIFE, THEREFORE I SAY LIVE AND LET LIVE IN PEACE!!

      • Ben

        karolyn,

        I was gay, but I denied myself to follow Jesus (1997). That is my choice that I have. I did not choose to be gay unlike some people believes. I just choose to deny it, meaning, not actively pant-chasing if you will. LOL

        It does not mean I am straight either. One main reason why gay people who denied themselves to follow Jesus, gave up after a few years, and went back to gay is because they thought they would become straight as a Christian. I could write a book about this, so this will do for now.

        I empathized with Gays and Lesbian who want to marry. My beef was that Obama did not defend the DOMA, until Ned F. clarified.

        I want to add that my parents did not mold me into who they want me to be. I remained a closet until 1992, remember Amendment 2 of 1992 in Colorado (not gun rights). Google it, type Amendment 2 Colorado 1992.

        When I came out, I thought my mom suspect it and my dad did not know, but it was the other way around. No argument, no fights, harsh words exchanged. I could have come out sooner. Well, enough for now. Thanks for reading this.

        Just sayin.

        • marmoolaki

          Ben,

          whatever you choose to do with y our life. is your choice go for it.
          but you can not impose your life style on others and say whoever doesnt do this is WRONG!

          I am gay, i am a very happy person and have a support of my family what else I could ask GOD. I didnt choose to be gay.
          and I am not trying to force my lifestyle to you and say YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME EXACT THING.

          No all she is trying to tell you is, why instead of focusing on your life you are focusing on others and try to deny their right?
          what would even change in YOUR life if two men get married!

          You might not like it and it is totally fine but when it comes to society and developing laws, this hate can be the base for that.
          Constitution protects people from imposing their feelings.

          in the court of law it is only logic that can stand.
          once again:
          IF YOU DONT LIKE GAY MARRIAGE SO DONT MARRY A PERSON WITH THE SAME SEX.

          and Ben, deep in your heart, seeing other happy gay couples make you jealous? seeing their family has accepted them make you feel jealous?
          is it the root cause you deny their right of marriage?

          • Ben

            marmoolaki,
            Yikes, seems like I have fallen behind on this post. I think these comments are interesting regardless of anyone’s views. It will have to end soon, on to the next post.

            For Christians, we need to tell others what the bible says regardless of non-Christian’s background, sexual orientation, sin preference, it is the responsibility of Christians to witness to others about what the bible says. First, we are to witness and teach others about Christians, not knowing who is interest in Christianity, then we proceed to explain the bible. This is to help you make a decision for Christ. Should a person suddenly want to accept Christ; only to find out that they can’t do this or do that.

            Those that listen, receive Christ, and want to change, will need to know more of God’s word. They can also choose to cherry pick the bible. The latter would be a fake Christian. True Christian follow the bible.
            For those that did not choose to change, the messages from the bible is not for them. When a Christian tells dirty joke, I do have a right to correct that person that it is wrong to tell dirty jokes. As for Non-Christian, I can’t tell them that, but I can tell them I do not like to hear it, that is not imposing my beliefs on them.

            I am not forcing other gays to deny themselves to follow Jesus, but I can share my testimony to them in the hopes that they too can do the same. That is not imposing my beliefs on them. They can say, ‘no thanks’.

            I know what karolyn was telling me. I just wanted to reply to her.

            Focusing on my life, and telling others to join me. Democrats do that all the time. They say, ‘hey, I am a Democrat, you should vote for Obama’, is focusing on others. The way I look at it. Republicans do that too. ‘Hey, I am Republican, vote for McCain. Register to be a Republican.’

            Christans do that with testimony, not focusing on others, but to share with others in the hopes they will do the same. Nothing wrong with that.

            Good point. Nothing would change my life if two men got married, not even if a single person remain single would change my life either, if I may add. From what I remember, opponents of Gay marriage oppose it because benefits will increase and other things like that. They have their reason.

            Interesting, you say that ‘Constitution protects people from imposing their feelings’. I do not recall that statement in the Constitution. It probably did not even say that, but no where else did it say it does, huh? Interesting.

            You said, “once again:IF YOU DONT LIKE GAY MARRIAGE SO DONT MARRY A PERSON WITH THE SAME SEX”. I say, well people can always VOTE against it, if not marry the person with the same sex.

            You said,”…and Ben, deep in your heart, seeing other happy gay couples make you jealous? seeing their family has accepted them make you feel jealous?”

            Yes and no. Yes, because it makes me want to backslide, which I do not want to. When I see Gay people dating, sleeping, kissing on TV, sometimes it hurts as it makes me feel more lonelier, than if I don’t see them do that, but I realize that opposite sex marriage kissing one another makes me feel that way. I was in Love Dare bible study, and these couples talk about their experience and realize they love each other and so on, I feel I am missing a life-mate. However, I stand firm in God, and the Holy Spirit takes away my loneliness. As long as I read the bible daily, pray to God, and stand firm, Holy Spirit comforts me. :)

            No, because I have empathy for them, and understand their needs. They want to be happy. Worldly happy. I want Joy in the Lord.

            You said, “is it the root cause you deny their right of marriage?”
            It is not the root cause that I deny their right of marriage.
            I actually do not know the root cause at this time. If every State in the Union allows gay marriage, I am not going to fret and scream and spew. I will continue to witness, share my testimony, and if they do not want to hear it, I expect them to politely decline.

            What else can I say? Thanks for your time.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said Ben! Well said and true! Marmoolaki need to go back to church and soon! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • marmoolaki

            Samurai,

            All he is saying is “No one can force his opinion to the other one”
            which I totally agree. and you tell me “TO GO TO CHURCH FOR GOD!!”
            Do you have comprehension issue?

            Anyone can have their opinion. the problem comes from the time you want to develop LAWs.
            base on first amendment of the constitution RELIGION and STATE are separate and no law can be made based on religion.

            DOMA is a religion based Law and hence unconstitutional.

        • Jay

          Welcome to the family, Ben!

          • marmoolaki

            Jay:

            BEN says: “My belief was that Obama did not defend the DOMA, until Ned F. clarified. ” and he thanked Ned.

            You read that right? so you will confess that you were wrong too right?

            not knowing something is totally fine but if it gets explained to you and again you emphasize, is wrong.

            Ben is a brave and honest man. TIME FOR YOU TO PROVE …

          • Jay

            Marmoolaki, were you never told? You shouldn’t come to a gun fight unarmed.

          • marmoolaki

            Ok lets try again:
            Jay:

            BEN says: “My belief was that Obama did not defend the DOMA, until Ned F. clarified. ” and he thanked Ned.

            You read that right? so you will confess that you were wrong too right?

            not knowing something is totally fine but if it gets explained to you and again you emphasize, is wrong.

            Ben is a brave and honest man. TIME FOR YOU TO PROVE …

          • Ben

            Jay,
            Thank you. I take it, you are a Christian too.

            Just wanted to clarify my second line. “I did not choose to be gay like some people believe”

            That line, some people believe Gays are born, and others choose to be Gay. I know most Christians believe that Gays chose to be Gay.

            However, based on my experience, I like guys since I was young, 5 or so, I remember it. I could not have chosen liking guys. I did not know I had a choice.

            I think that argument of whether one was born or chose to be Gay is irrelevant. Will one go to hell if they believe they were born? Will the other go to hell if they believe it was a choice? This is a pointless argument regarding Salvation. We know what is required of Salvation.

            Since marmoolaki seem to like science, whether a person was born gay or not, may be scientific. It may make for an interesting research. DNA? Genetic? Influence? Let the Scientist have their fun. LOL

            I think that kind of argument is to belittle Gays. Put them down.
            Jay, just speaking from my view, my life.

            Take care.

        • karolyn

          Thanks for your honesty Ben. Each person has to live his life the best way he sees fit. It must not be easy living a life that is not true to who one really is. I could not do it. We are who we are, and there is no religion, government, human being who would ever make me deny who I am. I am not gay; however, there were times in my life when I was attracted to certain women. That’s what I mean about people being gut honest, which you have been with us.

          • Ben

            karolyn, You’re welcome. I just wanted to add that ‘denying oneself to follow Jesus’ includes straight people too. Sex before marriage, is a no-no. Biblical speaking, and that if straight person deny themselves, in fornication, and live for Jesus, and marry then have sex. I mean it extends to denying yourself as a thief, liar, hate, murder, etc.

            I understand your point though. Just wanted to add.

        • Jay

          Ben, would you mind sharing, what it was, that ultimately lead you into the lifestyle. You seem the only one that may actually qualify to speak on the subject, if for no other reason, education. Thanks!

          • marmoolaki

            Jay,

            1) second line he says. “I did not choose to be gay unlike some people believes. ” you can read English rgiht?
            2) What happened to the information I gave you about APA and university curriculum on this matter?

            What happened are you like him understood NED’s explanation on DOMA?

            Do not jump from one thing to the other.

          • Jay

            The second line, “I did not choose to be gay like some people believe”, he may have said it, i’m only assuming, so as to avoid insulting you. That is why I asked for clarification. But I trust, none will be given, as this may not be the best place for such a personal testimony.

            As to the info you supposedly gave me, sadly, it is not info or data, its simply a fortress that holds an opinion!

            Marmoolaki, you are blind and angry zealot, and this is my last exchange with you!

          • marmoolaki

            Sorry Jay,

            1) they are multiple cases and presentation referenced there just look each research up. You do not agree with scientists and psychologists.
            2) you do not agree 1st amendment of US constitution says “Religion AND STATE ARE SEPARATE” it is in plain English but you dont agree,

            I dont wanna rub my psychology information on you but i believe you are suffering from USI (Unwarranted self-Importance.)
            You think you are right because you are superior not needing to have any proof and easily dis-regard science and law!

            I would be very glad not hearing any comment back from you on anyone unless like BEN like a man confess you were wrong.

            as Silverstein says in conclusion on behalf of multiple psychologists:
            “It is no sin to have made an error in the past, but surely you will mock the principles of scientific research upon which the diagnostic system is based if you turn your backs on the only objective evidence we have.”

          • marmoolaki

            Jay,

            I read the pamphlet. It has multiple data. “%” is presented in multiple area. it is called Data.
            and I read Marm comment. he has referenced multiple researches and doctors name presenting them to APA which made APA to decide removing SO as mental disease.

            R u really reading what you are saying? I think Marm is nice to say you have “USI”. I believe you are just stupid and it is not mental disease it is called “LOW IQ”.

          • Ben

            Jay,
            Sure. You asked, “…what it was, that ultimately lead you into the lifestyle”. Not sure about lifestyle. Lead into the lifestyle. Well, well, well. I did not consider it lifestyle.

            Just a pant-chaser, as I had found men more to my likings. Naturally, I want to explore them, sex and all. You like hamburger, you eat it, dislike pickles, don’t eat it. Exploration, basically was it. I never had a boyfriend, or lover. Just mambam, good night man, kinda thing.
            I did not consider it a lifestyle. Just the way I was.

            Although, I had a biblical foundation as a kid, left the church at 16.
            Kept my man-interest to myself. College, I found others like me. Just explore there. Had girls interest in me, did not explore sex, just a kiss and she bit my tongue. Did not like that. Girls do that? Anyways, it was her thing. Left college and just did my thing.

            What exactly is a lifestyle? Sin-of-all-kind lifestyle, LOL.

            I am not sure I am educating on this matter. HA.

            Oh well.
            Ben

          • Jay

            Thanks Ben! I do appreciate your honesty.

          • marmoolaki

            Jay,

            what happens to your honesty now? Time to prove.
            oh I forgot you dont care you will again start repeating yourself like a broken record :D How many times you want to embarrass yourself.

            Ben u r a brave man.

          • marmoolaki

            Como,

            Are you really waiting for this guy to confess he made a mistake :)))
            he is not that strong.
            Watch out he will get back and call you “But-Plug” or … .

            I didnt know but this is the logic of conservatives.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    This isn`t the only reason Obama should be impeached. Shouldn`t he
    be impeached for trying to destroy this country?

    • Karolyn

      Why obn earth would he want to destroy this country? I see no evidence of that, and i am certainly not alone.

      • marmoolaki

        Karolyn,

        Are you really waiting for a reason??
        These so called “Conservatives” told me in the face that
        “they do not need proof because they are right”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        They are above reasoning. Not because they are better only because they know they are NOT deep in their heart.

        This is a mental dis-order (called USI).

        Surely, prejudice and calling people name will not bring someone victory in court. Thats why DOMA was announced unconstitutional by federal court and now is in repeal process.

        But I am very glad to see their logic. The way they are defending and presumably present themselves in court WILL bring another victory in repeal process.

        • http://naver samurai

          Being gay isn’t a mental disorder, moron! If it is, then you read Leviticus 20 verse 13 and Romans 1 verses 26 – 28 and then you tell ne if it is a disorder. If it is, then why do people who participate in this action go to hades when they die? Don’t you think God, who is all knowing, would know the difference between a disorder and a choice to sin? Get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          By the way, I’m not letting you be a “bootie burner” affect what I tell you.

          • marmoolaki

            Samurai!

            ok let me break it down for you.
            disorder: homosexuality is not a disorder base don scientific proof.
            Choice: homosexuality is not a choice again based on scientific proof.
            Sin: Sorry I am not practicing your religion. based on first amendment of US constitution religion of any kind should be separate from state. so what you believe in is good for you, no law can be made based on that.

            All these were addressed on the comments above, pls read and save everyone time.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Karloyn,
    You only have to look at his friends and advisors.Here are some of their names. Check them out and see what each one stands for. Im not going to tell you, because you wouldn`t beleive me anyway. You do your own homework,I did, and by the way Im a Independent.This is just a few, I don`t want to load you down to much.>> Cass Sestien ,Bill
    Ayers, Valerie Jarett, Anita Dun, Rev. Wright, Andy Stern,Jeff Jones,
    Van Jones, Richard Trumka, and George Soros.Just a few things Obama
    has done. Forced Obama care on us, that the majority of Americans, didn`t want and our country can`t afford. Has done little or nothing
    in closing our borders.Put this country so far in debt the last two
    years, we will never get out. Obama, Reid, Pelosi hid in his health
    care bill 105 billion dollars that not even his own Democrat
    congressmen knew about. What do you think he meant when he said,Im
    going to transform America and spread the wealth I could go on and on,
    if I thought it would do any good. I will say, there isn`t a Democrat
    party anymore, it was hijacked by the Progressives and now is the
    Progressive party.Hillary Clinton even said on national TV, don`t
    call me a Liberal anymore, call me a Progressive. I think the names
    I gave you, you will find some of them Socialists,Marxist,and even
    Communist.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Karoyn,
    Just one more thing. If you think Obama cares anything about you,
    you got a nother thing coming. He only cares about himself.He even threw his own Democrat congressmen under the bus.That was proved in the election of 2010. If he does get elected again, you can kiss
    America goodby.

    • marmoolaki

      Charles,

      Here topic is DOMA not healthcare.
      you cant even figure out the room!

  • http://cox kim

    Can’t believe these stupid liberals on here don’t care about the kids they bring into these dirty gay relationships.Don’t care about kids at all. Just care about hiding the weiner. I guess that is more fun than trying to bring up good kids.Homo’s spread diseases. I can’t believe any of you would admit it. GROSS…….Disgusting……Unnatural……ungodly…….Pukey……
    OMG help this loser!

    • marmoolaki

      Kim,

      Sorry to say, because you think so it is not right.
      once again, rad all the studies done by APA and the links were given to jay.

      I am sorry for the kids that will be brought up in a family like yours full of prejudice, judgment and Hate.

      these kids have been proven to become bullies at school.

      Good luck. (Only talk when you have scientific proof, because you think so doesnt make it right)

  • down with Odumbo

    Obama has defied federal law by not inforcing immigration policy and now DOMA he turns a blind eye to the law of the land he swore to defend impeach the dictator who habitually violates federal law!

    • marmoolaki

      Mr Down,

      scroll up and read “NED” comment which has explained to people like you that what is the difference between “Enforcing”, “Defending” and “Upholding” a law.

      Honey study before you open your mouth! It is embarrassing to be u.

  • marmoolaki

    To the author of this article.
    your article starts with a wrong statement:

    “President Barack Obama’s refusal to support the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) has led one Republican lawmaker to consider an impeachment of the nation’s commander-in-chief.”

    If I were your manager i would fire you for mis-representation.
    or you really want to play with people who are not really aware of law terms.

    Abusing people’s lack of knowledge and misleading them is a serious offense. I hope your GOD would be approval of that.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Marmollaki,
    You are screwollahi, every this god and king of yours does goes back to what he did with obama care.

    • marmoolaki

      Sorry, wrong room.
      topic is DOMA. not Obama’s health care.
      + calling me name doesnt make you right. just shows how desperate you are!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    marmoolaki,
    Your right about the room,however, every thing Obama does because
    of his health care crap makes it worse on him. DOMA is just one more nail he has driven through the heart of the majority of the American
    people. AS for calling you a name, I`m sorry for that.

    • marmoolaki

      hey,
      Apology accepted. at least you the first one in this group doing that, which shows you are more reasonable.

      On health care part, honestly I am not very educated on that so I can not really comment. as far as I know based on this law no insurance company can deny you because of your pre-existing condition. do you like that or not? on the other hand no one forces you to get the insurance. so when they wont force you why you are worried? if you dont like it done get it. it is like medicare or medical. not everyone can qualify but you can at least get basic care.

      as far as DOMA goes. what he did was within a president power as at least both president bushes had done the same exact thing. on the other hand DOMA is a religious based law. I respect your religion but based on first amendment of US constitution Religion n sate should be apart and no law can be based on religion. (It means any religion,passing laws based on religion becomes very dangerous)
      so this law is un-constitutional regardless of you liking gays or not. (which even in that case you should based on your hate on logic not just feeling you should listen to see what studies have shown, what experts think and … not just closing your ears and just repeating what you were thought in church)

      anyhow, again i appreciate your retract of words:)

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    marmoolaki,
    There are a few good things in the bill.There should be in almost
    3,000 pages. I think the things that you mentioned are good,however,
    they could have been put into medicade or some other goverment
    program and done a lot cheaper. This was all about Obama being a
    person of color and doing what no white President could do. It was also a push toward socialized medicine. We can not afford the trilions
    of dollars thats going to be added to the deficit It was also the way he had it passed, by forcing it down the majority of the American
    peoples throat, who did not want it in the first place. The bill was given to the congress two days before it was voted on and no one had a chance to read it. Nancy Poloci said,you have to pass it before
    you know whats in it. Guess what, Congress just found 105 billion
    dollars neatley tucked away between its many pages done by Obama,
    Harry Reid and none other than ,Nancy Poloci. There own Democrats
    in Congress didn`t even know about it. They claim it was to
    implement the bill. Ya, right, all this was to have been taken care
    of by cuting Medicare and clamping down on fraud in the Medicare system. Remember what Obama said, “Transform America and Spread
    the Wealth” My answer is >>> NO THANKS >>>

    • marmoolaki

      Charles:
      You called Obama a person of color since no white president would do that.
      1) your remark is very sarcastic. You might not like black people like gay people but you cant blame reality on color or sexual orientaion.
      to give you more information OBAMA is not the first president who suggested this plan:

      Richard Nixon proposed the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act in 1974, and this effort continued under Jimmy Carter, although it ultimately failed to materialize due to opposition by liberal Congressman like Ted Kennedy because it did not go far enough. Bill Clinton unsuccessfully attempted a modest overhaul of the system after in 1993 which was viciously attacked by right wing politicians and talk radio.

      2) and also your statement of it begin given to congress 2 day before the vote is wrong:

      HR 4872, the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010 is essentially the same as the bill passed by the US Senate, and was posted online on Tuesday as part of a new ritual of making bills freely available to the public 3 days before a vote.

      3) Republicans always had the right to filibuster. meaning preventing is from coming to the floor. they used it to prevent passage of DADT. I am sorry you should ask your conservative leaders that Healthcare was more important or DADT!

      4) and finally you might not like a president’s decisions but president impeachment requires certain requirements to be met. you just can not impeach every single president because you dont like a decision. It would be a chaos.

      Once again you can not base your decision on wrong information. calling president black is wrong, many white president before him tried to do the same thing. on the other hand going off the wrong timetable is wrong also, both senate and congress has enough time and most importantly conservatives didnt block the vote. They could but they didnt. and finally you can not just ask for impeachment because someone is doing his job! you might disagree with it but it is very amateurish to exaggerate.

    • smilee

      By middlemn on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 – 5:34 pm:

      It was known or could have been known by all in congress if they wanted to know. Pelosi and Reed did know, your lies will not change these facts. It has been proven that Bachmann even knew before it was voted into law and it was her that came up with this lie a year after the fact hoping no one would remember but it is not working that great for her given all the fact checks by tv stations and newspapers calling her just that,

      • marmoolaki

        Hi Smilee,

        The excuse that “We didnt know” is the lamest statement I ever heard.
        All the information is public and you can even go online on congress and senate website and see their previous schedules.

        I have no clue how these people can have such a closed mind and accept what they are told! when the truth is just few clicks away!!!!!!

  • shelli

    the one thing i will get that a homosexual wont get is admission to heaven.

    • marmoolaki

      Hi Shelli,
      HOW YOU KNOW THAT?? DID YOU GO THERE AND COME BACK??

      By the way maybe in your religion and your way of interpreting it they won’t go to heaven.

      BUT WE DONT BELIEVE IN YOUR RELIGION. WE BELIEVE IN OUR RELIGION!

      DO I FORCE YOU TO BELIEVE IN OUR RELIGION. NO!
      SO PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ….. AND KEEP YOUR RELIGION FOR YOURSELF.

      HOW YOU DARE ANNOUNCING YOUR BELIEF THE ONE FINAL WAY OF REACHING GOD!!!!!!!!

      IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE IN BIN LADEN’S BELIEF, KILLING YOU IS A TICKET TO HEAVEN, IF I KILL YOU I WILL BE REWARDED WITH 72 VIRGINS.

      SEE HOW DANGEROUS IT GETS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SHOVE HIS RELIGION IN EVERYBODY ELSE’S !!!!

      DO YOU REALLY SEE IT???????????????? YOU SHOULD BE MENTALLY ILL IF YOU CANT SEE THE SIMILARITY!

      • Nightfighter

        marmoolaki, You have an ax to grind. Being gay is not natural.

  • aaron fleszar

    Osama Obama Biden Bin Laden
    One coincidence? Two coincidences?
    NO COINCIDENCE

    NEW WORLD ORDER PLAYBOOK EXPOSED

    Scam artists (Al-Qaeda) have cornered the market on affiliate marketing education. Their sites use aliases, bogus whois info, and registrations in different states and countries. What are they hiding?

    Many get rich quick scams serve as product placement for new cutting edge internet technologies, and logos, some sold through Clickbank. The people appearing in testimonials are part of the expansion of this organization and are often pitching other high priced products and services. They all link to one another through their marketing strategies and ability to optimize in search rankings.

    Between the aliases the use, and the way in which they speak about things, everything they do has double meaning. Their faces in Google image search is similar to the picture book of symbols mentioned in The Da Vinci Code movie. Here is a code of look a likes pitching all sorts of stuff who are interconnected;

    Selling a program on making millions online is Professor James Bradley who looks like the Pentagon bomber Bill Ayers.

    Jay Conrad Levinson is behind a number of “guerilla” marketing and advertising books. He looks like George Soros, who’s last name is a (palin)drome. Soros has been credited for collapsing a number of nation’s currencies. George Soros has been quoted several times regarding his views on a New World Order.

    The Super Affiliate Handbook is sold by someone who looks like Jill Biden, her name is Rosalind Gardner. Some appear to represent people, more in how they pose, rather then a direct look alike. Stephen Pierce appears to represent radical Van Jones, Brett McFall-Austan Goolsbee, John Childers-Andy Stern, and Jay Abraham as Ayman al-Zawahri, just to name a few.

    Problem with your Google Adwords PPC ads and can’t get a straight answer? You could try Yanik Silver who looks a lot like Sergei Brin, but he probably won’t know. He sells 33 Days to Online Profits (prophets.) Why not try Perry Marshall, who looks like Obama’s priest Reverend Pfleger? He sells The Definitive Guide To Google Adwords, infringing upon Google’s trademark.

    Many more can be found at Lorrie Morgan Ferrero’s Red-Hot-Copy blog such as; 72 Virgin Records Richard Branson, & White House Party Crashers the Salahi’s with Valerie Jarrett’s daughter.

    The Rich Jerk sent out emails promoting Stompernet in Atlanta Georgia. The staff included Brad Fallon, an airline pilot, and Eben Pagan selling a seminar “Get Altitude”. 3 days after reporting this code to the FBI, Delta in Atlanta canceled a large number of flights due to “safety reasons.” In the Youtube videos related to the Rich Jerk, it appears that Mark Cuban is the Rich Jerk. He’s the billionaire who owns the Dallas Maverick’s basketball team. Think O’bomber or Barrac-uda Palin would play for him? Another guy seen on Youtube claiming to be Robert Johnson Rich Jerk, is Tony Rezko.

    Obama announced his run for office on Oprah Winfrey’s show. Have you ever noticed that Oprah’s friend Gayle King looks like Whitney Houston? Think that her name could be a code, Whit_ney White-Hous_ton House?

    It appears the internet marketing experts controlled the comments, the headlines, and the finance of the last election online with the highest ranking site in Google search, Youtube.

    In my strongest opinion this is the last piece of the puzzle, Osama Bin Laden is also a spokesperson, and a look-a-like. Osama represents Obama/Biden (Bi)n La(den.)

    Here are wanted terrorists and their online aliases. Some are wanted for U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya & Indonesia. Do these two places ring any bells?
    http://illuminaticonspiracy.blogspot.com

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