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Former Administration Official Criticizes New Marijuana Policy

November 4, 2009 by  

Former administration official criticizes new marijuana policyIn October, the Obama administration eased the long-standing marijuana policy which made its use subject to prosecution even in states where it was legal for medicinal purposes. Although the move was praised by many, there have also been critical voices, some of them coming from former administration officials.

One of them is Bob Weiner, a former drug policy spokesman who left the White House in 2001. He recently stated that the new law—which instructs federal prosecutors to stop prosecuting those who use marijuana for medical purposes in the 13 states where it is legal—may lead the administration to get "more than they bargained for."

"Prescription marijuana use may explode for healthy people," he said, adding that as many as 90 percent of purchases at clinical distribution centers are based on false pretenses, according to some law enforcement statistics.

He also questioned the effectiveness of smoking marijuana for conditions such as pain and nausea.

The new approach to marijuana is expected to attenuate the consequences of the 2005 Supreme Court ruling stating that the federal government could continue to enforce U.S. law barring the cultivation, possession and use of marijuana, even in states that had legalized it.

However, Attorney General Eric Holder stressed that law enforcement will still go after traffickers who are hiding behind claims of compliance.
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  • DaveH

    It’s high time that the Federal Government butts out of the Drug issue. Finally, I have found something I agree with Obama about.
    Government has no business protecting people from themselves. All that has been accomplished by the drug laws is to enrich some of the most evil people in society (the drug lords). And everybody knows that money is power.
    The Prohibition in the 20s gave birth to the Mafia and other crime syndicates. I think consumption of alcohol even increased after prohibition. That is probably because people don’t like being told what to do with their own lives.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mafia_during_Prohibition
    We can see that the drug laws don’t work. Look at the mess that has been created in Mexico. And the drug laws have been used to justify deterioration in our civil rights. Many innocent people have lost their lives from one side or the other in the drug wars. I feel really bad for those of us who don’t even do drugs but whose lives have been ruined by either the drug lords or the drug enforcement officials.
    We need to let the citizens make their own mistakes (and pay for their own mistakes).

    • CindyL

      I can honestly say that I have never heard of a person who had smoked going into a store with a gun and holding them up for the chips and dips. Studies show that those who have smoked drive slower than normal and are involved in very few accidents. Most who partake do not fall down with lack of cordination or become aggressive. They have proven that it is not physically addictive, that kids get hooked on cigarettes which are addictive. History shows that the laws governing weed go back to when the FBN was conceived and was a political and profit issue involving Hearst. Dave, I agree that the government needs to allow us to make our own decisions regarding weed usage. One issue at a time, and we can get them to reduce the intrusion in our lives.

      • DaveH

        I was attacked by a gang of kids once that were doped up. The dope – alcohol. I agree; marijuana makes people more docile.

        Most of the crimes committed in relation to drugs are a result of their high prices, which are a result of their illegality.

    • Disgusted

      I would much rather have the person in the car on the road with me stoned off a joint than drunk. Why alcohol has been legal all these years and MJ not is beyond me. I think they have had it backwards all along.
      If a person wants to waste their lives using drugs…let them. If a person wants to walk to the edge of a building roof and jump off…let them. Why intrude and stop them from doing what they want. Free will is everyones right. You see it all the time on TV where 25+ cops, 10 news channel trucks have one person surrounded that is threatening to jump or do some other harm to themselves – I say let them do it.
      If a junkie wants to push enough dope into his/her veins to end their life I think that is their choice, why do I need to foot the bill for their recovery. If I make the choice to go bunjie jumping and get hurt will my recovery be paid for? No difference….both are specific individual choices.
      Addiction is not a disease!! It is a choice!!

      • Joe H.

        Unfortunately yes your injuries will be taken care of..in the ER and if you don’t have ins. we all will pay for it. If that guy jumps and isn’t killed, not only do we pay for his psycho treatment, we then have to pay for his injuries also. If the guy shoves what he thinks is enough into his arm to kill a horse but not him and he becomes a vegetable with a brain wave and a heart beat we pay for him for the next 30,40, 50, 60, years. Use your head! you know what it costs to keep one of those people in a hospital or nursing home? God, you people want free will, you just want us to pay for it if you screw up!!! Take care of yourselves and pay your own keep!

    • denniso

      DaveH..Finally, I have found something I can agree w/ DaveH on!!!

    • thebeardman

      Tell it Dave. I agree totally. The government is all screwed up on this, except , like you, I also agree with Obama. I do not like anything else he has done, but this is good. Alcohol has done more harm than pot in todays’ society.

    • MartinM

      What no one seems to know about marijuana and why it is illegal is:

      Because of the leap in metallurgical technology resulting from the USA’s participation in WWI war effort, machinery for processing hemp into high quality fiber for use in paper, fabrics, rope, and many other products that have a use for extremely strong fiber became available. And because hemp will grow almost anywhere with or without water, with or with out fertile soil and fertilizers, and it is resistant to bug infestation, many industries were threatened with stiff competition and shrinking markets for their products.

      The industries who were threatened include but are not limited to the cotton growers, the paper pulp growers, the clothing and fabric industries, the paper manufactures, synthetic rope manufactures, chemical fertilizer and bug poison manufactures and many others.

      Is it any wonder that the paper and cotton industries, who stood to loose the most, gave millions of dollars to congressional efforts to include hemp (marijuana) in the new drug bills that were being hatched in the early thirties.

      Any one who has been around people who have used marijuana know that the propaganda movie “Reffer Madness” (produced by Harry Anslinger: The Original Drug Warrior and head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics for 31 years) was a complete lie. His biggest contribution to the so-called “reefer madness” propaganda movement was the 1937 Marijuana Transfer Tax Act, which imposed strictures on the growing and use of the plant which rendered hemp effectively worthless by taxing it out of existence. (http://www.reefermadness.org/propaganda/essay2.html)

      Compared to the negative side effects of any narcotic, alcohol, tobacco and most prescription medications, marijuana is quite benign. There is, however a down side to marijuana use. It makes people thing about what is going on around them. To stop this thinking in the late 60′s the muscle relaxer Quaalude (Methaqualone, or sopors, a nasty barbiturate) large quantities of this new drug were made available to the drug dealers in northern Mexico, who then sold it in the US as the newest recreational drug. It just knocked people out so that they would stop thinking about Vietnam and the draft and all the other unconstitutional things the Nixon administration was doing.

      And finally, the cost of the interdiction programs and other law enforcement efforts, prosecution costs, incarceration costs, and the thousands of ruined lives because of the war on marijuana, there can be no reasonable justification for continuing the ruse that marijuana is some evil drug that makes people crazy.

      Enough is enough. Obama has finally gotten something right.

  • don-g

    —may lead the administration to get “more than they bargained for.”

    Do you mean as in; more personal liberty for Americans than they bargained for?

    Well, that would be quite a shame in America, land of the free, wouldn’t it Mr. Weiner.

  • Bruce

    I agree with DaveH, this is something “GOD” made for us Humans to use as a medical healing plant. Just look at, Run from the CURE. I am living proof it works. But lets be real the Government as in our congress and senate makes a good living off the Pharm co’s that sell real DRUGS that are legal, but only due to $500 Million per year in pay off’s are they legal.
    So lets look at this GOD’S Herbs for health, or Man kinds DRUGS to kill you.
    Not a lot to think about on this one folks. How many of you have a friend or family member who has had Cancer, I bet your mad as hell that nothing worked and they paid a lot of money as well suffered the last few months of thier lifes to make a congressman & senate members richer.
    Get mad at the right people folks and stop with this stupid banter of Hemp is bad for you, its all rhetoric has been nothing less than rhetoric and will always be nothing more than rhetoric!
    If you can grow something to not only heal you, but CURE your ills who gets hurt? Thanks B

    • Joe H.

      Bruce,
      Again, don’t lie. Don’t make it look like ALL who get cancer die from it. I have a foster mother that had breast cancer over twenty years ago and she has been cancer free after her chemo and radium treatments. This is not to say they don’t die just that all don’t. I have a sister in law that just got done with her chemo and is celebrating this weekend. There are a lot of cancer survivors in the U.S.. Matter of fact, we have the highest survivor rate in the world!!!

      • American Citizen

        There are many who have been cured and many, like me, who are living with cancer. Once you have it, it has a chance to return, even if pronounced cured. I began treatment for breast cancer 12 years ago and still am trying to be cured. I don’t worry about it as my doctor says I am a remarkable case. The pill he just switched me to apparently is working to reduce my markers. I am grateful and thankful for every year I get.
        As for marijuana, I have always heard it has more of a chance of the person getting lung cancer than those who smoke regular cigs. Lung cancer is one of the deadliest. I have a good friend who died of it last year and she never smoked a day in her life. It wasn’t a pretty death. I miss her every day.
        We already have enough drunks on the road to worry about, then we also would have to worry about stoned drivers? They also cause accidents.

        • Melvin E. Holliday

          One of the few things that Obama has allowed that I believe in. Decriminalizing Marijuana will keep a lot of innocent people out of prison, possibly me included. Bad laws don’t stop people from breaking them, they just make criminals out of good people. I doubt if you will see a big jusp in usage if it is legal cause most people that are interested in it are already smoking it illegally. Legalization will increase quality, increase government revenue and destroy illegal operations. This is something that has been too long in coming cause now, I am too old to take advantage of it and I have been smoking my entire life. I still smoke but it is really bad stuff cause I can’t get anything decent where I live.

  • geoffrey ellis aronson

    There is no medical evidence that points to marijuana usage as any more dangerous than liquor, and for that matter, we don´t see statistics for people in deathly automobile accidents who were ¨high¨on marijuana alone, so it is highly likely that with the entire substitution of marijuana use for that of liquor, we would actually see a diminished highway death rate.
    Study after study has shown the relative low adverse affects the cannabis weed has on the human corporeal system. People die from lung cancer every day from the inhalation of tobacco. You will not see any deaths as a result of long term marijuana intake.
    As for the claim that marijuana use leads to habit forming harder drug usage….that is misleading in that it does not necessarily invoke hard drug usage. Again, we could use the same argument for tobacco and alcohol. Or should we wish to be very inane about the matter, so does being born. As such the statement should be construed only that marijuana usage precedes the ingestion of cocaine, barbituates or heroin. But then do so many other things.
    Most people who smoke marijuana never go on to harder drugs and the very few who do, don´t necessarily use harder drugs to the point of becoming habitual users.

    • DaveH

      When I was in college (40 years ago) one of my teachers had a group of heroin addicts come to address our class. One student asked what they started using before they graduated to heroin. The answer – alcohol.

      • American Citizen

        That professor could have scoured the city for those particular users. There are plenty out there who graduated from marijuana to the harder drugs. The professor could have been an MJ user himself, thus had a biased reason for bring those particular addicts in.

    • Joe H.

      Geoff,
      Try reading the site posted by Dave below.

  • DaveH
  • Jimbo

    from a great word of GOD;”… it’s not what goes into man that defiles him , it’s what comes out !!!
    We had a president that had sex in the white house [not with his wife!] should we out law the office !
    just because some people act bad when using grass doesn’t mean all will act bad.Those who think they do see no sun!!!

    • American Citizen

      It;s true what Jesus said, but we are also supposed to take care of our bodies as they are suppose to be temples of the Holy Spirit.

  • Michael

    let the truth be heard that the pepole that keep Pot illeagal is the alchol companies. They spend thousands maybe millions each year to keep it illeagal so pepole will be forced to drink a very Harmful alturnitive to smoking a little weed that happens to be helpful and harmless if smoked correctly.
    The trilions that the Goverment could make in taxation is endless and harmless. Its not a gate way like the refer madness in the 30′s led to br it was made illeagal in the state of teaxas to dever the illegals back accross the boarder and did that help? NOPE it made the illegalness a thriving business for them Leagal lize it and this can change the deficit alone needs it if nothing else let it bail out america..

    • Joe H.

      Mike,
      I thought it was the textile and paper industries!!

  • TYC

    Bob Weiner, a former drug policy spokesman who left the White House in 2001 stated that he believes every word of the government position on cannabis. Weiner indicated that he also believed every word in the movie Reefer Madness. He also stated that smoking two puffs of marijuana would make you a heroin addict. Weiner expressed concerned that reefer addicts would start carrying around hatchets in order to kill their victims more readily than just using one’s own hands. Weiner’s eyes rolled back in his head as he channeled Anslinger and started quoting his favorite sayings:

    Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.

    You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.

    Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing.

    and finally, Wiener channeling Anslinger reasoning as to why cannabis is illegal…

    …the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.

    Who could argue with that line of reasoning?

    • DaveH

      And Obama is also making a lot of people psychotic. Ask Nancy Pelosi, or Janet Napolitano. I think Obama should be outlawed.

      • denniso

        DaveH..use some reason..you want the gov’t to butt out of the marijuana issue,right? So vote for people who will move us in that direction..liberal Dems!! libertarians can almost never get elected and NO conservative Repub will ever vote to decriminalize drugs,even pot, because they’re owned by the hypocrital, phoney ‘family values’ wing of the party.

        • DaveH

          I want more for them to get out of my wallet, and out of my personal choices. I will keep voting for the principled party (Libertarian), Thank You. It would be a cold day in hell before I’d vote for a Democrat.

        • Joe H.

          yeah Dave but they’ll tax you right into the poor house!!! Then you won’t be able to buy the pot you want!!!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Gary W

    Bob Weiner should keep his mouth shut when doesn’t know what he is talking about. He should have been thrown out of office a long ago he is wrong about most things he talks about.

    • Earlw

      Of course, Mr Wiener ( sort of rhymes with Whiner)has NEVER actually had the experience himself, he’s just a simple control freak! The Gov’t. is FULL of them. I can speak from long experience in the S.W. US in the 60′s and 70′s ( well, maybe a little of the 80′s too)that it just isn’t quite the demon they crack it up to be. Can it make you stupid? Assuredly! Giddy with laughter? absolutely! Not really like a drunk, but it can lessen you concentration. Should it be legal? sure, booze is and we know the reputation of it. the use tax angle is brilliant, and no more organized crime, if it’s priced right…Just my 65 Y/O opinion

  • Debby

    My daugther has SEVERE Tourettes syndrome and through her young (25) life we have had to do trials with many drugs prescribed by the doctor, hoping the side effects would not harm her too much, and that they would be of some use in controlling the many large and small tics that makes her life difficult, and often painful. We have experienced emergency room trips for: allergic reactions, heart palpatations, breathing difficulties.. just to mention a few more serious side effects. We heard about marijuana possibly being helpful… it is not just helpful… it’s a MIRICLE! She is off all drugs!! For the first time in years! And just a little marijuana stops the ticcing for a few days. And, stops her multiple migranes too! Her muscles no longer constantly ache from constant movement. She is astounded that this is what “normal” feels like. By the way, she is a science major and is doing extremely well in all her classes. What a difference in her life.. she finally has a life. Many studies have been done abroad regarding the benifits of marijuana. Check it out for yourself. Weiner and others need to be less of a government robot and more like a compassionate human being, with common sense and a little bit of a questioning, working brain.

    • s c

      Thanks for the info, Debby. I wasn’t aware that marijuana can help with severe Tourette’s. It does help with glaucoma and the nasty side-effects of chemotherapy.
      As I recall, some local governments have over-reacted to marijuana use. In the ’60s, didn’t Texas impose a life sentence on those convicted of using marijuana?
      Perhaps comrade obama will be able to leave the white house without being a complete failure. If legalizing medical marijuana for certain situations doesn’t create negative consequences, I can live with it.

    • denniso

      I’m glad for you and your daughter..Bush spent 8 yrs fighting and resisting med marijuana and keeping people inpain and agony..To the Obama haters,give him some credit for reversing the Bush policy.

      • John

        I do give Obama credit for this. Though I don’t dislike Obama personally, I dislike his policies, including massive spending, embrace of islam, too many CZARS (including the jackazz CZAR who want’s to allow animals to sue people and control the Internet, Cass Sunstein, another Harvard piece of cr@p-Whatever happened to harvard? It’s a joke now). Other than the MJ issues, Obama would make a good Joe Stalin.

        • DaveH

          Maybe Obama does have a little sympathy for the citizens. With marijuana we can suppress the supreme nausea that he is causing those of us who know where his economic policies will lead.

          • American Citizen

            I wonder if he’s still a user himself. Didn’t he say he did in college?

      • Joe H.

        denniso
        I think I’ll wait on the credit till I see how much he taxes it on these people that are already sick and some dying.

    • American Citizen

      I’ve always wondered why they can’t isolate what it is in MJ that is beneficial and extract it and put it into pill form. It would lessen greatly a person’s chance of ending up with lung cancer from smoking it.

      • CindyL

        American Citizen, they have and they do have a pill. Also a paste and a liquid that can be used in a vaporizer.

  • Jack

    I smoked marijuana when I was a teenager but when the police started raiding and putting in jail all the marijuana vendors, I grew paranoid for my own concern.

    Subsequently, I turned to smoking tobacco cigarettes, first Marlboros, then Winston.

    I wonder how many kids will get used to smoking marijuana which will then become the gateway drug to smoking tobacco.

    It’s the way it happened for me though and have been smoking ever since, for 45 long years.

    • Tricia, Arizona

      Smoking cigarettes, including marijuana is bad for your health, however the government has no place deciding for me what I should or shouldn’t do.

  • Bruce

    Hi Debby,

    Are you using the oil / patse, or a vaporizer? I have found that both work really well.
    I would like to add that being around hemp when I was younger not a single person I have ever known went on to any other drugs of any kind.
    Nor are there any serial killer’s, as a matter of fact no one even commiitted a criminal act of any kind. Most are Doctors and Lawyers today, some running business that make many many millions of dollars per year, so please note, they didn’t loose any brain cells.
    Strange the only folks I know that have been in car accidents, were on “legal Prescription drugs,” these are noted on the label’s as you can drive while taking them. Strange how that works out.

    I have spoken with a number of people who have cured themselfs with GOD’S herb, so its not just some crazy gang of old folks running around getting high. I thank God every day that I found Mr. Rick Simpson. Please folks if you have cancer look Mr. Simpson up on line.

    God Bless America Please contact your Congress and Senate person, tell them to Legalize it. The CRIME is: its not Legal.

    • Tricia, Arizona

      Marijuana is a drug and it’s as destructive as any other drug… Legalize it, tax it…the government sees $$$$$. We have more to concern us than making pot legal. I believe that a great number of people who smoke pot abuse it. It makes one lethargic and slow with a lack of ambition and a drive to make sure there’s more for the next time.

  • Keith H

    I think Obama realizes, marijuana Does have health benefits, I don’t know if it’s because he use to smoke it himself when he was in college.
    If you take a close look at why they banned all forms of the hemp plant, even the ones that doesn’t contain the THC chemical, and look at which drug causes more deaths a year, marijuana or alcohol,It’s clear to me that it doesn’t have anything to do with the lack of safety, It’s more of a political,oxymoronic reason.
    They brainwashed us into thinking that marijuana turns us into amoks or insane people.

  • Claire

    I have never smoked marijuana. But I would like to try it! Just once! Maybe twice! Maybe three times! Maybe more!
    Seriously, since it has helped Debby’s daughter and numerous other people, it should be legalized.
    It appears that a lot of other medicines do not help much, and the side effects are hideous. I certainly do not have a problem with the legalization of marijuana.

    • denniso

      the drug war,especially on marijuana, will be looked back upon as one of the greatest tragedies and most foolish policies ever pursued in this country. The only big deal about the plant is the huge deal that some administrations have made of it..one of the worst and first iwas the Reagan term. He cowtowed to the moralist right wing who want to tell others how to live.

      • DaveH

        Both of the major parties want to dictate our life choices. Their agendas are just different.
        If you want a party that truly respects freedom of choice and expects individual responsibility in return, then read this platform:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • denniso

          DaveH..you’re wrong..the majority of liberals will let you do what you like if it doesn’t harm other people. On the other hand, virtually all Repubs want to tell you exactly how to live to fit their version of morality,whether it harms anyone else or not..usually not!

          • libertytrain

            denniso – have to disagree, the majority of liberals I know will not let you do what you like even if it doesn’t harm other people — however, will happily let you do what THEY like…until they decide to stop liking it, of course. Then they will come up with something new that they like, and that you best like too -

          • DaveH

            So true Liberty. I might add that maybe the Dems would allow us to do what we want, but we will no longer have money to do what we want after they have robbed us blind.

      • Joe H.

        denniso
        I take it you have changed your mind about the government TELLING people that they have to get insurance?

        • Joe H.

          Denniso,
          Going to answer?

          • DaveH

            He’s busy fiddling with his blinders.

        • s c

          JoeH and Libertytrain, the day that denniso knows what he/she is talking about is the day hell will freeze over and become a ski resort. Liberals of all persuasions will never be able to live with the FACT that their philosophy is all about TOTAL CONTROL.
          By definition, liberalism is anal retention on steroids. Liberalism hates freedom, and it will never tolerate freedom or independent thought.
          I am not trying to imply that conservatism is perfect, but conservatives do NOT worship control. Above all, we love freedom. In a stable society, no one can have complete freedom, but conservatism will always be a freedom-loving philosophy. Liberalism combines ignorance, pc, a blind faith in anything that sounds or feels good, and has TOTAL CONTROL at its base. Only now are Americans starting to see liberalism for what it really is. Liberalism’s latest icon is in the white house, and TOTAL CONTROL is his god. You know that. I know that. Every conservative knows that. If you want a challenge, try and get a liberal to be a responsible adult and ADMIT it. I wish you luck.

  • John

    “He also questioned the effectiveness of smoking marijuana for conditions such as pain and nausea”

    But did Whiner ever smoke it himself? Obviously not. So where does he come off stating a fact that he himself has never even applied his reasoning to? Does he have pain or nausea and did he try MJ for it? No? Then he should shut(Word removed for offensive content). Because, like most modern bureaucrats and CZARS full of themselves, they don’t know what the (word removed for offensive content) they are talking about. This (Word removed for offensive content) needs to talk to my Vietnam Veteran (like me) buddy who goes through Chemo constantly to see how MJ benefits his nausea and increases his appetite. Sorry (Word removed for offensive content), you are a (finished) bureaucrat who is lucky that the American Public doesn’t tar and feather this self-pompous, fool.

  • David Hall

    Come on people, we live in America, XXX rated internet is legal, whiskey, gay marriage in some states, prostitution in some states are
    legal, passing out birth-control pills and condoms in our public schools, taken prayer and discipline (paddle) out of our public schools
    is legal, teaching our children, we came to be, by a damn monkey, the
    mass murder of millions of little unborn babies is legal, corruption
    in the white house is legal or (might as well be), pharmaceutical drugs
    that is killing and destroying millions is legal and I could go on.
    Then, here we go again, with the wise men & women, debating pot. I put it as simple as I can, so that an earth-worm can understand it. I WOULD
    RATHER HAVE SOMEBODY SMOKING A JOINT, DRIVING TOWARD ME, THAN SOMEBODY
    DRANKING A BOTTLE OF JACK DANIELS DRIVING TOWARD ME. By the way, I don’t smoke pot or drink.

    • Joe H.

      Dave,
      I’d rather not have either driving at me or away or over a hill or what ever. There is enough risk in driving from drinking, cell phones, make-up and half a hundred other things without adding other things. you add PotThen NORMAL wants speed, then the next group wants crack the next wants ALL drugs and thats where it all starts. no sir I don’t want the wholesale use of it.

  • Joe H.

    I’m not against medical use of MJ at all, but the wholesale use of it I’m still against. I don’t agree with your statement that there are less accidents from its use. Show me some unbiased sources to verify. Just the statement that they drive slower is a problem in some cases. Try driving 40 miles an hour on the limited access highways. Here you are going 60 which is the speed limit and you come over a hill and here’s some pothead going 40…… could take quite a few lives, depending on traffic. Oh, and before you start dennisob I’m also against driving while intoxicated in any way, drugs, alcohol, any form!! I quit drinking, smoking(both forms) so I’m not a hypocrite!

    • MSSouth

      If driving slow is your excuse to people smoking MJ then how about making it illegal for seniors and farmers to be on the roads. Just because the speed limit is 60 doesn’t mean that you must go 60 mph. I am sure that if you looked at stats you would find that more accidents are caused by speeding than going under the limit.

      • Joe H.

        MSSouth, Do you really think that is all I meant? check out the potheads stepping on the brakes half a block from a light. Ever seen one of them trying to roll a dube while driving? I have. At least cigarrettes are pre-rolled. I guess you’ve never seen a pothead nod out after a few tokes either huh? Try that on the road. If they could insure they wouldn’t drive I wouldn’t have as much of a problem with it. I also know if someone had smoked it around my kids, I’d have broke both sets of fingers used to hold it. A kid isn’t like an adult as far as making an informed decision. With the 21 year olds here that buy liquor for the teens, I have no doubt they’d but that too. Too many possibles for me to support legalizing it. medical use ok. anything else,take your chances!!!

    • David Hall

      Oh boy! there’s always one in every crowd. I wrote, DRIVING TOWARD ME,
      NOT DRIVING AWAY OR DRIVING OVER A HILL AND OPS! I JUST RAN OVER A TURTLE. I never wrote, that I was for legalizing pot. MY POINT BEING,
      MY ABOVE STATEMENTS, THAT ARE LEGAL IS AND HAS DONE FAR GREATER HARM, TO U.S. CITIZENS AND COSTING US TAX PAYERS MILLIONS TO KEEP NON-VOILENT
      POT SMOKERS AND SELLERS (LOCKED-UP). THAT’S WHAT’S IS HYPOCRITICAL AS HELL! THEY LET A CHILD RAPIST GO FREE AND LOCK-UP A POT SMOKER. When,
      you read a comment, say focusted on the whole story, not just one sentence.

  • Bruce

    Dear Joe H.

    You have some very outdated ideas on this subject matter as do many folks. Let me explain so you have a more clear view of this Herb. Note first off I called it an “HERB,” note not a DRUG, why?
    Its not a drug, it is in fact an HERB.
    The THC in this HERB has many positive points, one is it has cannabinoids, these also can be found in Mothers Milk, note thats not a DRUG, Thank God we don’t let law makers have a go at that.
    Your body also makes these cannabinoids these aid your immmune system in the case of cancer they kill the cancer cells, as well as others very positive benefits.

    Now as far as “a Pot Head” driving, the effects of the THC on the brains abilitys to prossess is so minimal that reaction time is the same as the reaction time of a person with 20/20 eye sight and an IQ of 140.
    Where as say 6 oz’s of Alcohol the reaction time as well as all ones overall ability’s are effected to the extent of having 20/60 eye sight, and an IQ of 100.
    So the overall effects of THC are null and voided where as other forms of legal items diminish your overall abilities.

    I don’t condone driving after smoking, but the use of CELL PHONES, and TEXTING, both of these are far more a threat to folks on the roads than THC will ever be or ever has been. This is a fact.

    Just a thought for Rebublicans, if you want to win back every seat in Congress and the Senate, plus the White House, “LEGALIZE THC.” You will have so many people voting for you that it will be a massive land slide.

    By the way its also called HOLY OIL, Jesus Christ went around healing folks with it, look it up its a fact it was called, K nobus, you don’t need a degree in Rocket science on this one.
    If it was good enough for Jesus Christ its good enough for me.
    Again God Created it as well as all NATURAL things for MANS use.

    We have turned our backs on “GODS” gifts, now we look to MAN for our gifts. Thats just wrong.

    Thanks

    • Joe H.

      bruce,
      your body produces cholesterol also but I don’t think any thinking person would purposely raise the level of it in their body. Your body also produces endorphins but too mush in your body can cause all kinds of problems. Growth hormones, insulin, all sorts of things are produced by the body but they are produced in low amounts that the body can use without problems.

      • Joe H.

        Bruce,
        Going to answer that about the body?

        • Bruce

          Dear JoeH,

          Please forgive me for taking so long to get back with you.
          You are 100% correct, your body in fact makes all kinds of products, all of what keep your body running in the way it was intended to run. But just as with all things when we introduce “man made products” we get effects that break down YOUR “”natural defences.”"

          Again we have to look at positive outcomes for what they are. As far as the science I have stage 3 cancer, thats a fact, I started with THC / hemp oil and in just a few weeks the cancer was stopped. I am not over it yet, I am still working the system it should be two more months for a 100% cure.
          Side Effects – I sleep a lot, I feel better every day, now how many folks with cancer do you hear that from. So do I see effects that are positive, yes indeed. The Doc when I saw him two weeks ago was with out words over my test results.
          Lets be real the other way of working it was to have the “C poison,” lets look at the odds, 90%+ of Doc’s who work with it say they would rather pass on that treatment for themselfs. Why is that? It KILLS everything, not just the cancer cells.
          Thus your in fact {killing yourself} as your alledged to be treated. With the THC / Hemp oil I am only killing the cancer cells, {now if thats bad} I must be missing something. Lets see, I still all have my long gray hair, I am not sick to the point of not being unable to hold down food to rebuild whats being destroyed in my body. Yes; I do pray to God daily, I know he has a plan for me, I feel this was my wake up call from him. Thus I will spend the rest of my life helping others, so I have taken a bad thing, and turned it to a good thing. For the record, I am a Republican, I vote for a person based on what skills they have not what party they are in nor the hair color or how good they look in a $3500.00 suit.

          I also agree that there are many pressing issues that the world faces daily that are infringing our freedoms again these are GOD given freedoms, that MAN wishs taken away from you and I. We must all work to stop the maddness that politicians make for all of us to live under.
          Don’t you all wish you had a Summer home, a winter home, a fall home, a spring home, twenty cars, Medical Ins paid for for the rest of our life, let alone a take home pay of $300K, plus inflation cost built in for the rest of your life. All that can be yours if you serve just one term in congress, of the senate. And keep in mind that the laws they make don’t effect them like they do you.
          Anyone who is not in favor of THC your not compelled to injest it, no more than I don’t eat junk food.

          Again thanks for the great comments folks, God Bless all of you.

          • Joe H.

            bruce,
            You obviously don’t smoke it with cancer, end stage or not, you would have to be out of your mind. Pot causes cancer just like cigarettes. As the one poster said above if they could get the “healing properties’ out of it as in paste, pill vaporizer, what ever to keep down the effects of smoking it, then medically it ‘s alright. Or smoke it for glaucoma and other problems not associated with the lungs. Medically I agree 100%, especially if it cures cancer. I’m surprised with the rate of cancer in this country that I’ve never heard about it before. Like I said, my sister-in-law just had her chemo and radium treatments. I’m sure she would have liked to hear about it BEFORE the treatments. I will ask my Dr. about it the next time I see her!!

          • Joe H.

            Bruce,
            The site DaveH posted supports what I say about the health affects of smoking pot. It says three joints are equal to twenty cigarettes. So like I said, I hope you aren’t smoking it.

          • Joe H.

            Bruce,
            According to the article it also has a bad side effect listed.. It interferes with body function! I’m not saying you with end stage cancer should stop using, I’m saying it’s not for wholesale use!

          • David Hall

            Bruce, my wife has cancer in her liver, speen and a small stop on her lung. She was in remission for over 6 years, when she had ovarian cancer. She stopped the cemo treatments, they wasn’t working, and man,
            it was killing her. She and I are depending on our Faith and alternative treatments. For the past 2 months, she seems to be getting alot better. She has NEVER smoked a joint in her life. Is there a site on the net that I could go to, to research about what you wrote? How much to take, ect? She quit eating and drinking ALL SUGAR PRODUCTS. Some people may not know, but SUGAR is fertilizer to cancer cells. She
            drinks NONI JUICE and ALKALINE WATER. When, your fighting for your life, people will try almost anything. DON’T LET PEOPLE, THAT DON’T HAVE A GLUE, DISCOURAGE YOU. KEEP UP, YOUR GOOD FIGHT! MY WIFE AND I, WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU. We’ll be very Thankful, for any information, you can offer. Sincerely, David Hall

    • DaveH

      They have passed about every safety law that they can imagine and still our automobile death rate is pretty much the same (40000/yr) as it was before all the safety laws.
      What ever happened to individual responsibility? They can’t legislate that.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        you are so right. Where is the personal responsibility? Where is the little guy on the shoulder that says don’t smoke this and drive, or don’t drink this and drive? Just look at this thread and take stock of how many say it’s ok to smoke it and drive. No sense of responsibility. So when your daughter or son or wife gets killed because someone was a split second slow on the brake they say it wasn’t my fault I wasn’t doing anything!! That information given above by bruce is the AVERAGE not the norm. Just like you may take two Soma and not be adversely affected and I take one and have trouble walking. No two people are the same. Test some of your buddies and see how many tokes they take before they are effected.
        You may want to bet your life on it but I don’t want to bet my wife and kids on it!!

  • Debby

    Everyone: I appreciate all your words of support! Please, I implore all of you… pass the word…marijuana must be federally legalized. My large extended family, including the elderly members in their 90′s (some very conservative ones too) are totally behind legalization. They are astounded by my daughter’s “recovery” and her new found joy in living each day. It is sad that, since this is an inherited syndrome and illegal federally and in many states, we cannot give it to the younger family members who are also experiencing the debilitating effects of severe Tourettes. My granddaugher is no longer able to attend school and I am now her teacher. (The school district provides a teacher 5 hrs a week = Home Hospital) She is repeating what my daughter went through. I feel so helpless…knowing there is a herb that will allow her to return to “normal”,but if you give it to her she would be taken by the government!. Imagine what it feels like to not be able to play with other kids, go to the store, to the movies or many other “kidstuff”. At times she needs to be restrained, physically, so as not to harm herself or others. Any outside excursion must be planned in detail. When you do go out, suffer the stares, whispers, and often ridicule of the public. It is not a joke, it is not funny… it often hurts. My research has revealed there are many other conditions this herb helps with too!
    I implore all of you, please write, call, visit your representatives, sign petitions and SUPPORT Legalization FEDERALLY! Because, even though it is legal in some states, the feds can come and arrest us any time they chose… Pass the word…don’t be afraid, don’t be appathetic!
    By the way, I am a moderate Republican… I do volunteer, I do donate, I have all my life… this isn’t about Dems vs Reps.. this is about people.

    • denniso

      Debby, I’m sorry, but it is precisely about politics and Repubs/Dems. Nixon started the drug crackdown..Carter backed off on it..Regan revved it up to it’s most absurd heights(life for possesion of a pound of pot)…Bush sr didn’t change much..Clinton slowed the ‘war’ a little..Bush the kid started jailing people for med use.
      Given a chance and support, liberals and Dems would end the drug war as we know it and allow med use entirely.

      • Debby

        This explains why the dems I contacted won’t return inquiries or calls? I am disgusted with both parties… the past is the past… there is plenty of blame for everyone… we need to go forward from here… person to person. Of course, a supportive, well known and respected politician would be most helpful… know one?

  • Joel

    I think it was yesterday, if not, sometime within the past week or so, there was an item in YAHOO NEWS, that THE NETHERLANDS, ( where pot and other drugs are legal and freely available) has one of the lowest addicition (and usage rates) (I BELIEVE I WAS PER-CAPITA) in the world.

    Might also consider IRAN. It has one of the world’s HIGHEST HEROIN addiction rates. I beleive that their penalty (what trial) for usage and dealing is death. Incidentally, Obama wanted (Iranians did not) Hilalry Clinton to meet with Iranian leaders TO DISCUSS DRUG ADDICTION, and how to fight it.

    I, also, don’t like (and did not vote for) Obama, but do agree that he is right on this.

    And, I agree- all drugs should eb decriminalized.

    • DaveH

      I’m inclined to believe that Joel, as it’s been my life experience that telling people they can’t do something is the surest way to prompt them to do it. People don’t like being told what to do with their own lives.
      For instance, I had a friend who was quite the drinker when under 21 (he looked a lot older than he was). Once he reached legal age, he hardly drank at all any more. The thrill of getting away with something was gone.

  • Lord Enki

    There are far more Tobacco and Alcohol deaths than Pot deaths and yes anything you put in your body can harm you but smoking pot is less of a problem than the other two products. Now ask yourself what is the real reason pot is outlawed, could it be the drug companies the alcohol companies and the tobacco companies want it that way because they can’t control it like they do their poisons.

    • Joe H.

      Are you now trying to tell me that pot doesn’t contain tar or other by products harmful to the lungs? This is why you people never get anywhere with your war to legalize, you lie just as much if not more than the government!!

      • DaveH

        Joe,
        This seems to be an unbiased article about Marijuana:
        http://www.rehabtoday.com/articles/the-facts-about-marijuana.html

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          Did you read the whole introduction on the first page? It says what I’ve been saying short term memory loss, problems concentrating, possible halucinations, and three joints a day are equal to twenty cigarettes a day in tar content. Also due to the fact that people hold it in for longer times, it can be even worse!

      • David Hall

        Joe H. Look Bubba, if folks want to smoke dope (LEGAL) that is, hell,
        let em smoke on. Man, consider all the legal drugs, prescribed by the
        doctors that’s harming and killing millions, that the drug companies are making BILLIONS. BESIDES THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, AIN’T NOBODY GETTING OUT OF HERE ALIVE! THEY CAN GO (GREEN) ALL THEY WANT TOO!

        • Joe H.

          David Hall,
          I agree. LEGAL drugs! As far as I know it is against the law to drive under the influence of those drugs as well. Just like alcohol!!! See, there’s more than one side to everything and I’m not going to change the way I feel. So I guess we must agree to disagree!!

          • David Hall

            Look Joe, I agree! I agree! NOBODY, NOBODY, should be driving, boating,
            4-wheeling, hunting with a gun, talking on a cell phone, reading a book, combing their hair, putting on make-up, or turning the knobs on
            their radio, WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ANY LEGAL OR ILLEGAL DRUG OR
            ALCOHOL. I wrote, if they were, I WOULD RATHER SOMEONE (DRIVING TOWARD ME) BE SMOKING A JOINT, THAT DRINKING WHISKEY. Just a simple little statement, that’s all it is too, it. Why, people want to split hairs about it, (MORE THAN, I KNOW).

    • David Hall

      Lord Enki, EXACTLY RIGHT. What happen during the day whiskey was illegal? Folks made and sold (MOON-SHINE) and many put in prison for
      years. Federal and State governments are making BIG BUCKS through the
      court systems, busting pot-smokers and dealers. Plus, it’s costing
      tax-payers millions of dollars to keep them locked-up. When the government makes it legal, (which they will some day) and try to regulated it and tax it. People, will just grow their on, like some are
      doing now.

  • Lord Enki

    Quit filling your prisons with the users and start filling the prisons with the real criminals like the sicko’s house where they keep finding female bodies, Or the nut jobs who blow themselves up to meet God.

    • Debby

      Lord Enki, I totally agree with your position, always have! I think another reason to keep it illegal is that these industries and the government uses the war on marijuana as fodder to feed the financial machine that is the government payroll. Think about it… about the jobs generated, the programs instituted, the incarceration facilities and materials needed… all to persecute and prosecute! Follow the money…

      Let’s treat marijuana like alcohol was treated after prohibition was repealed. Then lets take care of the REAL criminals!

      • DaveH

        That’s an important point Debby. The drug wars have enabled a huge growth of government.

      • Joe H.

        Debby,
        Are you against the health care bill as well? That enlarges the government as well. more so than ALL the drug police!!!

        • David Hall

          Joe, I’m against the gov. take-over of health-care, and guess what, IT
          JUST PASSED THE HOUSE! My wife and I have NO HEALTH-CARE and we’re AGAINST ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO OFFER. THE GOVERNMENT SCREWS-UP
          ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES AND PUTS ALL IT’S PEOPLE IN BONDAGE,
          (THE RICH AND THE POOR) IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. When the Government makes pot legal and they will someday. You can bet your a$$, US tax-payers will pay DEARLY FOR IT! Man just, kick back and wait on this,
          (SAVE THE DAMN EARTH) TO PASS THE SENATE. CAP & TAX! HELL, I AIN’T
          SMOKED POT IN YEARS, BUT BEFORE MESSIAH OBAMA AND HIS GOV. GETS DONE,
          I’M GOING FIND SOME AND ROLL ME UP A BIG HOG-LEG AND SMOKE IT AND SIT AND WALK AROUND, SAYIN, WOW! MAN! LOOK WHAT OBAMA, HAS DONE. WOW!

          • David Hall

            ON, SECOND THOUGHT, HELL, WE WILL ALL BE SMOKIN IT! AFTER OBAMAS’ DONE.
            WE’LL HAVE TO GROW OUR ON AND MAKE OUR ON SHINE! WE, DAMN SURE WANT BE
            ABLE TO BUY IT!

  • s c

    One final thought on this topic, folks. When – or if – the government gets around to wanting to subsidize marijuana growers for their ‘efforts,’ you’ll know that as is the case with tobacco, dairy products and Amtrak, Americans will have willingly
    placed themselves in an awkward position where uncle scam can tear us yet another new one. And, WE’LL get to PAY for the ‘privilege’ of having it AND keeping another generation of blood-sucking weasels in office to ‘protect us’ from ourselves.
    Something stinks, and it comes directly from Washington, D C (the white and congress) – AGAIN.

  • Joe H.

    There was a shoting at Ft Hood today. At least 7 dead and at least 20 to 30 wounded. They don’t know at this point who they are. one in captivity and at least one more on the run. They had M16 rifles.

    • CindyL

      Joe. H. The shooter had hand guns. He was the only shooter, they have released the other two who were arrested. However, they have another in custody. The shooter is still alive. There are 13 dead, 30 wounded. The police officer is also alive, she survived surgery.

      • Joe H.

        Cindy ,
        sorry about the mistake. when I posted it the announcer said M16s.

  • DaveH

    Funny marijuana story:
    Near my relatives’ farm, marijuana grows wild. It is a relatively mild form. A fellow had bought what he thought was a bale of marijuana for $10000. On the road he was pulled over by a policeman (apparently someone had ratted him out). Upon opening his trunk the policeman found a bale of alfalfa. The buyer had been swindled, but I’ll bet he was happy about it.

  • DaveH

    Note that in no way do I champion the use of drugs, or smoking, or drinking. I am a health food nut myself. I just think that the government has no business trying to protect people from themselves.

    • David Hall

      DaveH, I agree, Thank-you. Momma, may know best in some cases, but the
      damn government, don’t. It’s like putting the fox in charge of guarding
      my chicken house. IT JUST DON’T WORK, FOR SOME STRANGE REASON.

    • Joe H.

      DaveH,
      I agree the government has no business protecting us from ourself, but they have a duty to protect us from others. That includes the police. I still maintain there is a chance that people will be killed on the streets and highways.

  • David Hall

    I’ll write this, I’ve smoked a little pot in my younger days (AND YES,
    DID INHALE), but drank mostly, hung out in every dive, honky-tonk,
    biker-bar, pool hall, in North Mississippi and Memphis, Tennessee. Been
    around drunks and dope-heads, on and off my whole life. I have never,
    ever, seen anybody smoking pot aggressive or violent. On the other hand, I’ve got in many fights with idiots, that couldn’t play well with
    others, dranking whiskey or beer. My head looks like a road map, two
    front teeth been knocked out with brase-knuckles, broke bones. So, nobody can tell me about the two evils of the world. Plus, I’ve never
    was in a car-wreck while someone was high on pot. I’ve had wrecks, dranking and been in wrecks while somebody else was dranking. TRUTH, BE
    KNOWN THEY SHOULD LEGALIZE POT AND OUTLAW WHISKEY AND BEER! IT WOULD BE
    A SAVER WORLD. And look, I’m not for making pot legal. I am just comparing the two evils of the world.

  • Richard Bowden

    I’ve smoked MJ every day for 40 years, been married for 25 years, have a high honors daughter in Junior year of a private college, and have operated a highly successful professional practice for 20 years. I’m very healthy and take no prescription drugs. Reefer madness!

    • David Hall

      THANK-YOU, RICHARD FOR MAKING MY POINT! MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE WHAT THE
      GOVERNMENT SAID ABOUT POT, BACK IN THE 60′S. THE GOVERNMENT CLASSIFIED IT WITH LSD, ORANGE SUN-SHINE AND WINDOW-PAINE ACID. PEOPLE WOULD BE
      TOTALLY SHOCKED IF THEY REALLY KNEW ALL THE PROFESSION BUSINESS AND
      CARE-TAKER PEOPLE AND POLITICIANS THAT SMOKE POT. THERE IS FAR GREATER
      CONCERNS FACING OUR NATION, OTHER THAN POT SMOKERS. I MEAN GIVE-EM, A
      DAMN BREAK, ALREADY, AND RELEASE THE NON-VOILENT POT SMOKERS AND DEALERS, FROM OUR STATE AND FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEMS AND SAVE THE TAX-
      PAYERS SOME MONEY FOR A CHANGE.

      • Joe H.

        Richard,
        What about all the pot on the streets that has been “treated”? and don’t tell me you don’t know what I’m talking about if you’ve been partaking for that long. I suppose you are going to tell me you have no problems what so ever from it. I know people that smoked it a lot less time than that and they have short term memory loss, no ambition, sex drive is lowered, all sorts of problems. not all problems in all of them but problems the same. I suppose you are superman and invulnerable to its affects. I hope your practice isn’t medical or dental as I sure wouldn’t want you working on me.

        • Joe H.

          Richard???

    • Joe H.

      Richard B
      I suggest you read the site given above!!!

  • Gustofero

    In addition to the site linked elsewhere in this discussion, I would like to refer anyone who wants to know the FACTS about marijuana to the following site: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/. Now, admittedly, this is a PRO-legalization group (The Drug Policy Alliance), so they MIGHT be biased. :-)

    On the other hand, the rehabtoday.com site is a drug rehab site with a possible ulterior motive of playing up the dangers of MJ. They also make various statements about the dangers of MJ without citing any supporting studies.

    The Drug Policy Alliance’s statements are backed up by citations of RECENT peer-reviewed studies in respected scientific journals, so you can actually verify them yourself, if you want to take the trouble.

    One of the myths they debunk is the one about pot being more damaging to the lungs than tobacco (quite the opposite is true). Other myths debunked include the one about it causing permanent short-term memory loss and the one about it causing “amotivational syndrome.”

    And if you’re REALLY for legalization, yourself, you might want to get on their mailing list, and maybe even donate.

  • Cathy

    Yet again another comment… Are these comments that I write doing any good or am I writing for nothing. I think probably nothing. They are not going to change anything. They have no bearing on anyone elses opinion except that I just want to vent. Smoking marijuana is my right as an American citizen. You know, the freedom part that all the pro-prohibitionists have forgotten. The prohibition of marijuana has taken my patriotism and destroyed it. I feel like a patriot without a country. This government dictates to me what vices they allow me to participate in, like killing myself with cigarettes or booze or having sex with someone that I don’t even know. They just won’t allow me to sit in my yard and watch the stars and smoke a joint. This government makes me sick.

  • Cathy

    I can never vote for a Republican and their views on keeping marijuana illigal. Wake up Republicans, and get Obama out of there. Vote for people to have the freedoms that they want, not the freedoms that you want us to have. That is not what this United States was founded upon. Wake up Republicans.

  • Joe H.

    Cathy,
    you talk of the repubs keeping pot illegal, Which is worse them keeping it illegal or the Dems taxing it so high you can’t afford it? Think they won’t? Look at their past record of taxing and spending!!! No bill passed by the dems or the government has ever come in on budget always over, WAY over budget!!! So where do you think the money for any dem sponsored program is going to come from? TAXES, MORE AND MORE TAXES!!!

    • CindyL

      JoeH if you believe in the Constitution, and don’t want government interference in our lives, then you must agree to legally being allowed to partake of weed. You can’t have it both ways. DaveH. can explain it better than me.

  • David Hall

    I’ve read many good comments on both sides of the fence. Point of all,
    of it, it’s not right or wrong concerning the Federal Government. It’s
    all about CONTROL OVER IT’S PEOPLE. It want be long, and it will be
    illegal to own a cow, unless you get rid of the cow paddies, as we all
    real educated folks know, the bad gases that are released into the earths’ atmosphere. YES, I AGREE, THIS IS TOTALLY STUPID, WHAT I JUST
    WROTE, BUT THAT’S WHAT WE U.S. TAXERS PAYERS ARE DEALING WITH IS (STUPID), WHEN IT COMES TO OUR HOUSE, SENATE, WHITE-HOUSE LAWMAKERS.Oh!
    by the PETA and GO GREEN FOLKS, I did my part, yesterday evening at 4:07 P.M. I killed a little 4-pt. buck, field dressed about 75 lbs. He
    want be releasing gases into the earth atmosphere anymore. But, he will
    be YUM! YUM! GOOD!

  • Keith The Coolest

    The war on drugs is a proven loser that is for the most part a extremely costly loser. Jails are over crowded, illegal sales are making tax evaders rich and innocent people are being murdered. If it where legalized and taxed the amount of resulting violence would be reduced, dealers would not be making large sums of money w/o reporting for taxing. I am not advocating the use or indulgence, however alcohol is legal and a far more dangerous drug.

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