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Personal Liberty

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    The DEATH PANEL already at work (if you did not notice yet)

    Case # 1
    The compassionate DEMONcrats do not care if CHILDREN WITH CANCER would die.

    CNN congressional correspondent Dana Bash asked disgraced reid: But if you can help one CHILD WHO HAS CANCER, why wouldn’t you do it?

    The snake REID’s reply was: WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. To have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lFyFJeZSY

    Of cause that was Dana Bash fault.

    Case # 2
    Another compassionate DEMONcratic “Samaritan” – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sibelius. When she was asked at the congressional hearing to waive a regulation that stands in the way of a 10-year-old girl, from receiving an adult lung that will save her life, she said: “Well, I would suggest sir, that this is an incredibly agonizing situation where SOMEONE LIVES and SOMEONE DIES.”

    Without the transplant, Sarah had an estimated three to five weeks to live. Sebelius has the power to waive the federal regulation and help the girl. But she did not help the girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChXWA4UbGJ4

    So, dear liberal friends, good luck with your so “amazing” O’care.

    P.S. Sarah got help from the privet donations.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Here are just a few articles about Obama bin Laden, Harry “Woody Allen” Reid, the government shutdown, and what and who is responsible. But alas! We know that Obama bin Laden is responsible, along with the 5th columners in Washington. I’m glad that the GOP are standing up to Obama bin Laden for a change. Courage is a good thing to have when facing some insane Indonesian citizen.
      http://www.redstate.com/2013/10/03/welcome-to-the-harry-and-barry-shutdown-show/
      http://www.redstate.com/dloesch/2013/10/03/democratss-shutdown-is-refusal-to-face-the-american-people/
      http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/02/Obama-I-Have-Bent-Over-Backwards-Working-With-the-GOP
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Whatever makes men good Christians makes them good citizens.”
      Daniel Webster
      American statesman
      “Defender of the Constitution”
      Devout Christian

      • Warrior

        My man Sam, you are relentless! Keep up your Patriotic work. Love it!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Same to you. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Relentless? I’ve never known an infantryman to be any different against the enemies of this country. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care and Haryy “Woody Allen” Reid.
          http://www.politichicks.tv/column/obamacare-section-2716-none-business/
          http://www.genfringe.com/2013/10/harry-reid-hates-kids-cancer/
          http://www.joeforamerica.com/2013/10/glitch-obama-exchanges-refusing-exchange-obama/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “The true Christian is the true citizen.”
          Theodore Roosevelt
          26th President of the U.S.

          • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

            He was very right about the true CHRISTIANS ARE THE TRUE CITIZNS.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • Karolyn

            So you are saying that millions of people are not “true” citizens because they are not Christians? Wow! What conceit!

          • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

            You know it is the truth and I’m not conceited . I hope you have a bless day.

          • Bob666

            Hello Irene,
            it is the truth as you see it, not universal truth.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            It is the universal truth but you refuse to see it.

          • Bob666

            Well,

            Our little Ray of Sunshine has risen again,

            “universal truth” is in the eye of the beholder. Could it be that you Assume that everyone should agree with every opinion that You have.

            There in lies the problem.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Karolyn, pull your claws and fangs in. samurai and Irene Elizabeth Grooms are affirming what Theodore Roosevelt said.

          • Karolyn

            So what? He was just another human being with his own opinion just like any one of us.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Not too many articles back you were expounding the wonders of O’s words in his books so why are O’s words more golden than those of Teddy Roosevelt considering that Teddy Roosevelt was of the same Dem/Prog/Leftist ideology as O and you.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Jews and Christians make the best citizens because if they are who they say they are they have the lowest crime rates and create the least amount of government because they believe God forbids doing things to harm people in any form.

          • Karolyn

            So you’re saying that atheists, deists, Buddhists, etc. have more crime? I don’t think so! People do not need God to tell them right from wrong. We are born with that knowing. It is in the truest part of our being – our spirit. Do you not consider slandering and denigrating people and calling them names ‘harming” them?

          • Karolyn

            I posted a response to this early today and it disappeared.
            So I guess that means you think that all other religions and atheists “harm” people because they believe differently than you? People only do no harm because God tells them not too? Only Christians have God? Wow!

      • smilee

        PROPAGANDA!! PROPAGANDA!! PROPAGANDA!! PROPAGANDA!! PROPAGANDA!! PROPAGANDA!!

        • Bill

          Smilee,
          More tantrums

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Smilee, are you shouting or whispering.

    • Bob666

      Oh Good,
      Facts and proof from You-Tube! That would be absolute proof.

    • smilee

      SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!!

      • Bill Henry

        ,!,, ,,!,

        • vicki

          They seem to be running a tad short of rational arguments.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        smile, you have been condemned to only repeating one word each comment and with a vengeance.

        • smilee

          SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!!

          SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!! SPIN!!

          • Vis Fac

            Smiley is in training as a gyroscope for an ICBM to be launched at North Korea. The significant part here is he is miserably defective and would cause a splash in the ocean that no one would notice.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

          • Vis Fac

            Providing you usual juvenile responses as above does nothing to give credibility to your position or argument; however your doing so gives a wealth of credence to
            mine.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

            BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

            BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly I see I finally got you to overload your one functional brain cell and off the deep end.

            Congratulations you have now illustrated the effects and depth of liberal one dimensional idiot-ology Thank you for the enlightenment.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            A conclusion from your simple mind, a wrong conclusion and it has no meaning of any consequence at all.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sleepee has finally lost his few remaining brain cells.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            As any good liberal he has only to brain cells, which in this moment just blocked one another. This kind of the blockage happens regularly with the liberals’ brain.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            As any good liberal he has only to brain cells, which in this moment just blocked one another. This kind of the blockage happens regularly with the liberals’ brain.

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            You need to move out of your parents basement and start supporting your self

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Smilee, what a rich vocabulary.

      • Bill

        Smilee,
        Is that a tantrum you are throwing?

        • smilee

          NO!!

      • Vis Fac

        Smelly You certainly know what spin is for you have spun several yarns on this forum not one of those yarns had the least bit of fact yet you are one of the resident liberal spin miesters we have to “tolerate” on a daily basis

        FYI this story is true you heard nothing of it because you watch the DUMBOCRITE Chanel BSDNC where all the news is liberal BS!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly there is no need to elaborate on what your preferred meals consist of. Rest assured We Know

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

            BS, BS, BS, BS, BS, BS,

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra
    • vicki

      Those were great. Not sure why anyone would down-vote them.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Thanks Vicki, but do not worry about the “Babysitters”. They weren’t voted “down”.

        That was my name voted “down”.

        Some poster(s) with the Psycho Mania just have allergy to my name. And it’s incurable.

        • Karolyn

          Gee! It’s the same with my name!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            There are NONE news.
            DERANGED Psychopathic Pervert yapping.

          • Bob666

            It’s the same with my name as well Karolyn,
            Bet I know who gives us most of them……

            And she gave me a downer in less than Ten Minutes and voter herself up!

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Another good one Ben. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. I smell libturd and progturd logs roasting on an open fire. I love that smell first thing in the morning. Gets the blood flowing. Better than caffene. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care.
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/03/sebelius-fails-in-her-own-state-no-one-from-kansas-signs-up-for-obamacare/
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/03/obamacare-tax-on-health-insurance-will-affect-most-plans-ration-health-care/
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/03/euthanasia-activists-say-obamacare-will-lead-to-more-assisted-suicides/
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/04/obamacare-rationing-man-with-leukemia-loses-his-health-insurance/
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
    Benjamin Franklin
    Founding father
    Devout Christian

  • organicroseski2

    All the problems being caused is due to Fed Gov has reached too far into people’s lives. The states should take back the parks and parking lots. As far as the fit of the Pres saying social security checks may not go out if he does not get his Fed ceiling raised, shows that the Fed is too big. Next time he wants his way, he could threaten doctors not being paid under Obamacare (once it actually is able to sign people up).

  • Alex

    Please write Governor Brown in Sacramento and urge him to sign into law AB 711 which will outlaw lead ammunition in the state of California.

    • hippybiker

      And, just what in the hell does that have to do with anything? Oh, I see. You must be a tree hugging, anti hunter and anti gunner.

      • Alex

        Lead poisons those animals unfortunate enough to eat the meat of animals shot with the metal.

        • craig

          what about the people who shot it ..they eat it no epidemic their ….bullets don’t fragment that much no worries..your talking about old data about shotgun shells..that have been outlawed years ago … the dems. in California have real concerns and issues they had better start dealing with..like jerry brown…you don’t need to create any false issues to deal with ..you have way too many legitimate ones now

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Alex doesn’t want hunting as a food source, the birds, the deer, the rabbits, etc. that are hunted and culled. The stupid Alex wants the predator animals to proliferate, the more access to food, the higher proliferation rate with no culling of the predators.

          • Alex

            Wrong, Nadzieja.
            I support hunting as long as the prey is used by the hunter and its family in ways other than as a trophy.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your comment is a lie. Because you have no large span access to ALL hunters and unless you see what ALL hunters and their families do your defending yourself is worthless.

          • Karolyn

            What??? Curiouser and curiouser…..

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,
            Our little ray of Sunshine.

          • Bill

            Alex,
            There you go again just making things up to make yourself sound good at the moment

          • Alex

            The hunters who eat the carcasses have the time and means to dress the killed animal and avoid the lead. Animals feeding on carrion often do so after the lead has had time to permeate much of the flesh

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Listen to that. An abortion-favoring Liberal Progressive who doesn’t give a hang about unborn children, yet worries about possible lead poisoning in predatory animals.
            Do Lead Bullets Continue to be a Hazard After They Land?:
            http://www.gunowners.org/op0450.htm
            “Lead occurs in the earth’s crust as the end-product of the radiometric decay of three naturally-occurring radioactive elements: uranium, thorium, and actinium (Sax, 1987). Lead, primarily in the form of lead-sulfide in galena ore, constitutes approximately 10 to 17 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg) or 0.001 to 0.002 percent of the earth’s crust (ARB, 1993f; Merck, 1989).
            A common natural means of releasing lead to the atmosphere is via windborne dusts created by the weathering of deposits. Other natural sources of lead emissions are: sea and salt lake aerosols, forest fires, and volcanic eruptions (HSDB, 1995)”.
            http://scorecard.goodguide.com/chemical-profiles/html/lead.html
            Ban Volcanoes!
            Ban Liberal Progressives (dangerous lead in their pants)!

          • Vis Fac

            Not to mention the Pb in their heads.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Bill

            Alex,
            And what about the fluorides your buddies are dumping in the water and the new law passed in Oregon that says local governments cannot regulate GMO’s

          • Jack

            Alex:

            You might find it interesting to go back and JeffH’s posts in response to my posts, particularly regarding huntfortruth.org

          • Jack

            Alex:

            In case you don’t know, Governor Brown signed AB711 in to law on 10-11-13.

            I guess it wasn’t a very good day for JeffH.

          • Jack

            Alex:

            In case you don’t know, Governor Brown signed AB711 in to law on 10-11-13.

            I guess it wasn’t a very good day for JeffH.

        • Bill

          Alex,
          So is that why we are all dying from lead poisoning

          • Vis Fac

            You are dying of lead poisoning because you prefer to buy Chinese manufactured goods (which China and a myriad of other countries refuses to regulate and you prefer the US to do) laced with Pb in lieu of DOMESTIC produced goods that are safe to the public.

            You are one messed up CLOWN.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Bill

            Force, you are off on a tangent again.
            I was replying to Alex. I today’s market of bullets being in short supply, and being very expensive, I am not going to check if the lead in my bullets comes from China or lower Slabovia.

          • Vis Fac

            My comment was supposedly Directed at Alex in La La Land I don’t know why I missed your sarcasm. Mia culpa!

            I am well aware of the current ammunition supply issues As I have been hand loading for nearly 40 years I have amassed a respectable stock pile of propellant, primers, and projectiles. I have nearly 500 Lbs of Pb ingot and projectile casting molds. So the point of lead content for me at least is moot.

            As always keep your powder dry and eye on target.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t like Chinese goods, Force? Then don’t buy them. It’s as simple as that.
            If you think regulations are passed to protect the consumers, then you need to take the time to read this book and learn the truth:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381004377&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

          • Bob666

            Actually Dave,
            If you don’t like Chinese goods, your choice in any retail store-Walmart in particular, would be very limited.

          • Bob666

            Actually Dave,
            If you don’t like Chinese goods, your choice in any retail store-Walmart in particular, would be very limited.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Walmart does an awesome job of providing low cost goods to poor people who otherwise would have to do without.

        • JeffH

          Are you really just plain stupid Alex?

          Educate yourself!

          The crux of anti-lead ammunition and anti-hunting activists’ arguments against traditional lead ammunition rests on the misplaced assertion that the use of lead ammunition in hunting causes lead poisoning in wildlife.

          Myths, Claims and Truths
          http://www.huntfortruth.org/myths/

          That’s just not true and has been scientifically proven wrong!
          http://www.huntfortruth.org/lead-ban-proponent-judd-hanna-uses-faulty-science-to-vilify-traditional-lead-ammunition-2/
          In truth, lead ammunition is an unlikely source for animal poisoning because the metallic lead used to make bullets and shot is quite insoluble in the digestive tract of scavenger birds and raptors. Scientific studies do show, and all of this data is available, that it is very difficult to poison scavengers and raptors by force feeding them lead shot over extended periods of time.

          On the other hand, lead compounds found in old paint, insecticides, legacy leaded gasoline or mine tailings are common in the environment, and are quite soluble in the digestive tract. These sources are likely responsible for many of the highly publicized lead poisonings wrongly attributed to lead ammunition.

          Reports/Articles:
          http://www.huntfortruth.org/science/scientific-opinions/reportsarticles/

        • Vis Fac

          Alex in La La Land: I have eaten game shot with lead projectiles for nearly 40 years. Aside from my third eye I haven’t experiences any adverse side effects.

          You want to rid the world of lead stop buying lead acid or AGM batteries for your auto. Gases emitted from constant discharge and recharge carry literally tons of lead into the atmosphere and you worry about a few grains form projectiles?

          I guess you have nothing better to occupy your time.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • Vis Fac

        Alex in La La Land Just like his lord and Savior is flailing like a drowning victim eager to grasp at anything to save his sorry and worthless A$$.

        Strangely familiar to the events now taking place in the D-umb

        C-enter of the US. Anything to divert attention on to something else.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • Barakolips

        He is just trying to stir the pot by bringing up the anti lead ammunition bill. In the end it wont matter what bullets are made of, copper, steel ect… All it takes is one to find him.

    • Fred

      Hell NO!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Why? What is wrong with lead, copper, or steel? Are you affraid of guns, hmmm? Must be because you never served. Here are 2 articles about Obama bin Laden and his administration.
      http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-debt-ceiling-social-security-boehner-deadline-default-government-shutdown-2013-10
      http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/after-shutdown-administration-gives-445000000-corporation-public
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
      Samurai

      • Alex

        Being a patriot is nothing to aspire to====the Einsatzgruppen SS with babies dangling from their bayonets were being patriotic, as were our mercenary soldiers in My Lai while shooting grandmothers in the head.

        Someday you may mature, non-samurai, and realize that one cannot simultaneously love God AND country. God is no respecter of man-carved lines across the Earth with which She has gifted us.

        It is hard to believe that you cannot comprehend the differences of the various metals.

        You continue to pimp the untrue meme that there “are no atheists in foxholes”—of course there are, as I have spoken to a number of them.

        Lastly, I am not an atheist.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          First, the people you mentioned did nothing for God and country. They did things for their own beliefs and thoughts, not God and country. None of them are patriots. No patriot would kill innocent people. She? God is no female. God may not respect lines on a map, but he does protect those that believe in Him. Mature? I think you need to look in the mirror on that one. I cannot comprehend the difference in the metals? If you knew anything about ammunition, you would know that ammunition has steel, copper, and lead casings. I’m used to brass myself. You are no atheist? Fine. So I’ll not call you one from this point on. Why are there no atheists in fox holes? I’ve known many of them, but when the bullets start flying, mortars start exploding, and blood begins flowing on the ground, they start invoking the name of God. From that point on, they cannot be atheists. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care.
          http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/americans-hate-obamacare-love-affordable-care-act/
          http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/obamacare-fail-one-person-signed-louisiana/
          http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/lawmaker-says-enrolling-obamacare-like-addiction-crack-cocaine/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
          Benjamin Franklin
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Actually God did draw the boundaries of nations. God is a Male.
          There is no goddess/queen of heaven unless you believe in Ishtar/mary.
          Atheists are just people with a vendetta and a grocery list of gripes against the God of the Bible. Take your pick. It is nothing more fancy than simply unbelief and wanting everything else to be god except God.
          You are a muddled pagan.

        • WTS/JAY

          Alex: Being a patriot is nothing to aspire to====the Einsatzgruppen SS with babies dangling from their bayonets were being patriotic…

          I guess that makes abortionists and all who advocate for abortion, patriots, huh Alex? The only difference between Hitler’s SS , and abortionists today, is that instead of using the end of bayonets, they use knives and forks to butcher the babies. You should be protesting in front of abortion-Kliniks, Alex…are you? No? Didn’t think so!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You’re not an atheist, Alex? Then how do you rationalize stealing from other people, and Forcing your ways on them (like a common rapist)?

          • Vis Fac

            Alex in La La Land has fully embraced one dimensional liberal DOGS**T er; DOGMA.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • Bill

          We know one thing for sure about you, Alex,
          You lie a lot and make up stories

        • Vis Fac

          Alex In La La Land — I see you like to refer to events that you know nothing of or have witnessed first hand. You seem to know a lot about these from reading lame stream media and biased reporting. Doing so demonstrates that you are 1) stupid 2) easily duped 3) a MORON and most importantly NEVER been in the armed forces let alone in combat. If you had you would attest to the fact that there are indeed “no atheists in foxholes” I’ve been there and can attest to this fact. Of course you prefer to listen to those who have ZERO experience and can only offer BIASED OPINION

          The only people you have spoken with are those in your head or the devil on your shoulder.

          You have one thing down pat Alex In La LA Land the penchant for being foolish and inane. Lord have pity on your soul for I am not as forgiving as God so I surely don’t. You have chosen your own destiny I hope you are happy with your decision.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You are stupid to start off with, notice that I did not say uneducated because you spend a lot of time in the classrooms. Contrary to the teaching that you can learn even from a fool how not to be one, being stupid is not one of our desires to learn.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Go ahead. Waste more of the California taxpayers’ money. It will just be declared Unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Proposed Gun Law Would Ban Lead Bullets:
      http://fox40.com/2013/10/05/proposed-gun-law-would-ban-lead-bullets/
      The real reason for banning lead bullets:
      “The federal government has banned non lead ammunition. State government bans lead ammunition. The net effect is you ban hunting in the state of California,” Paredes said.
      “The ATF says they have made an exception for some non-lead bullets for shot guns which are mainly used to kill birds. But there are no exceptions for rifles used for hunting large game, meaning hunters would be without a legal bullet to use”.

      Why are the Liberal Progressives working so hard to control guns? Imagine, with the callous way they help themselves to our money now, how brazen they will be when we are disarmed.

    • Bill

      No Alex,
      We would be better off to send lots of donations to the NRA and other gun rights organizations

    • Vis Fac

      Why Alex in La La Land are you needing more Pb to fill your empty cranial cavity? You are a PUTZ twice as dense as Pb and three times more dangerous!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • JeffH

      Not even a good try Alex, but that one, AB 711, is “DEAD ON ARRIVAL”…it just ain’t gonna happen.

      Law Enforcement’s Opposition to AB 711 Continues to Grow – twenty-one elected officials sent a letter to the Governor of California regarding Assembly Bill (AB) 711 – Sen. McCain from Arizona along with Sheriffs for Sacramento County, Riverside County and for Fresno County as well as the California Fish & Game Wardens’ Association (the “Game Wardens”) have publically voiced their positions against AB 711 in letters sent to Governor Jerry Brown.
      http://www.huntfortruth.org/law-enforcements-opposition-to-ab-711-continues-to-grow/

      The Not-So-Secret Agenda Behind AB 711
      http://www.huntfortruth.org/the-not-so-secret-agenda-behind-ab-711/

    • vicki

      Why would we ask the Governor to violate the 2nd Amendment?

  • dan

    I couldn’t pick a best today,Ben….they were all geat !
    Does anybody else think that the inmates are in charge of the asylum ?
    We should errect a Barrycade around Washington to stop the spreading of insanity.

    • Warrior

      Now I’m beginning to understand!

      AMA Insight, no matter which side you are on.
      The American Medical Association has weighed in on Obama’s new health care package.
      The Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.
      The Gastroenterologist had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the
      Administration had a lot of nerve.
      Meanwhile, Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception, while the
      Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.
      Pathologists yelled, “Over my dead body!” while the Pediatricians said, “Oh, grow up!”
      The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.
      Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and the Internists claimed it would indeed be a bitter pill to swallow.
      The Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would “put a whole new face on the matter”.
      The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.
      Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.

      In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the a$$holes in Washington

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Clever.

      • Bill

        The last sentence says it all

    • Bill

      Great idea Dan
      Keep the thieves and parasites in one place so they cannot infect the rest of the host

      • Vis Fac

        I know of an island just a mere ninety miles south of Florida we could send them!! They’d feel right at home.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Bill

          Good idea, Force

      • dan

        thieves , liars and poltroons…
        and i’m glad to cancel the downclick of whatever drooling moonbat moron felt the need to prove their need to be a
        nattering naybob of negativity !

  • FreedomFighter

    Great 8 as per usual Ben.
    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Warrior

    I wonder if that piece of paper “plugs” was holding was his “stimulus” scorecard? Probably not, “plugs” would use his “beans” to keep track.

    I understand that so far during the “shutdown”, little “barry” has played “golf”, made a couple of “campaign” speeches and last but not least had his “portrait” painted. This shutdown “stuff” is really serious bidness!

  • WTS/JAY

    ‘Cut the Crap!': Hannity Battles NJ Dem Over Congress’ ObamaCare Perks…

    We won’t call this the most intense exchange we’ve ever seen between Sean Hannity and a Democrat, but it’s definitely in contention.

    See Why O’Reilly Labeled Harry Reid ‘a Cold-Hearted Fanatic’

    In a discussion on ObamaCare between Hannity, Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ) and Rep. Matt Salmon (R-AZ), Sean went after Pascrell over the ObamaCare subsidies that members of Congress and businesses are receiving, but individual Americans are not.

    Salmon vowed that he will not accept the exemption, saying he wants only what the average American will get.

    Pascrell said he doesn’t have a federal health insurance plan, so he’s not taking any subsidy, telling Sean “you don’t know what you’re talking about.”

    Then, things got pretty heated.

    “You’re getting special perks and special breaks for yourself, absolutely. So cut the crap and stop lying to the audience,” yelled Hannity.

    Watch the rest of the face-off above, and remember that next week, Hannity will move to 10p ET in the new primetime lineup!

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/10/04/cut-crap-hannity-takes-democrat-bill-pascrell-over-obamacare-perks-congress

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Here is an article where Obama bin Laden quotes about Christianity and Islam. Guess which one he supports in these quotes? I guess he would, being a citizen of Indonesia.
      http://www.youngcons.com/40-mind-blowing-quotes-from-barack-obama-about-islam-and-christianity/
      The pretender in office is against everything American. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “”A man who refuses to learn has a stagnant mind.”
      Sir Fancis Bacon
      *This sounds like the libturds and progturds.

      • Palin16

        Great link, samurai! Bookmarking it! Don’t forget Hussein’s first contact with Christianity was with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    • Alex

      Trolling for Fox–the least respected information organ since Der Sturmer….

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Really, you must watch Fox an awful lot.

        • Vis Fac

          He (Alex in La La Land) watches FOX because they report on everything as opposed to BSDNC who only reports on what they want. That way he can make things up to further BSDNC’s agenda. Al be they lies he(Alex in La La Land) tries anyway.

          I have watched both FOX reports on what BSDNC does and allows counter point argument, while BSDNC OMITS stories that have a negative effect on their agenda BSDNC does not offer counter point interviews. Only die hard liberal believe BSDNC and there are more of those than I care to imagine running around the country.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • nc

            Force, here is part of the “everything’ that Fox reports that makes them so special to you! They reported as a “NEWS” item that Obama had said he would pay out of his own pocket to keep the Muslim churches open!
            Later they had to admit that he had said no such thing!
            When do you know when Fox is giving you news or lies?? Must you wait 24 hours to give them time to get it right?

          • Vis Fac

            Since when have I ever quoted FOX news? whenever I comment on FOX I do so to compare what the DUMBOCRITE channel BSDNC puts out as news which is less then Half of what Fox does. at least FOX gives the left time to refute any story or relate on their side. BSDNC does not. BSDNC won’t report the entire story as the selectively report this is not reporting news it’s spreading propaganda.

            This however is moot for I don’t quote the news media I dig around and do my own research I call people in places that are close to events or know of people highly connected so I NEVER rely on media of any kind. Humint is much more reliable than someone pushing an agenda!!!
            If you had been at all active like myself instead of sitting on your duff you might have other resources to draw on as I have.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Which left wing website provided this little GEM? FYI I don’t pay heed to ANY media. I have my OWN contacts and resources that are far more reliable than what media reports. I question everything and if I haven’t data to support my postings I don’t post and make a fool out of myself as you seem all to eager to do!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Alex, what makes you think that Freedom-Lovers care who you, or your fellow Thieving Controlling Liberal Progressives, respect?

        • Bill

          Dave,
          We know who their mentors are: Carl Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao

          • JeffH

            …don’t forget the biggest mentor of them all…Saul Alinsky!

      • independent thinker

        If they are the least respected then explain why they are the most popular.

        http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/302647-most-popular-tv-news-network-usa.html

        • John

          They are not. Ovomit did not win the election! George Soros owns all, that is every single one of the electronic vote counting machines in the US. They have been programmed to always come out with the demodork as the winner. The only places Romney won were where there was hand counting. Ovomit won all the electronic machine counted votes and they found thousands of those machines and of course the democrats had a controlling interest in the those machines. Cheating is what the democrats have always done. The party of the KKK and murder, lies and communism is purely evil.

      • Vis Fac

        Alex in La La Land farts again!!! I use La La Land because you are in your own little world oblivious to the truth and averse to conducting your own research.

        Since you don’t have the capacity for lucid dialog you resort to your usual liberal one dimensional pejorative abasement. A sign of vapid ignorance at best or stupidity at worst.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • JeffH

        Alex, one big problem all of you ignorant liberal/progressives share is that you all blindly support your immoral ideology despite the video/audio evidence that clearly proves the lies you all speak and just how un-compassionate you and your cohorts can be.

        • Jack

          JeffH:

          Look at the love, kindness and respect that your posts demonstrate towards the people who have different ideas than you do.

          Aren’t you the one who complains about the hatred displayed by progressives? It seems to me that you attacked me in a post on this very thread when you complained about my “hate filled progressive cohorts”.

          What a hypocrite you are. .

          • JeffH

            Hardly ya dumb ass, it was you who drew first blood ya hypocrit and now you’re whining! I only return what I recieve.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            I will finally say it – you are such a liar. You are the one who brought up hatred first. All I have done is point out your own words back to you.

            You can sure dish it out but you can’t take it – a classic whiner. If you dish it out your going to get it back in return so stop acting like a little cry baby

            Look at your responsive posts. They almost always do two things (1) you whine about what someone said and (2) you attack them with denigrating words.

          • JeffH

            Read my response above yours ya dumb ass…nuff said!

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Once again I see you’re spreading more of your love and joy.

            Like a true CONservative, you deny the truth when it is staring you in the face.

            Now. lets see if by chance you can post something that is not another – whats that word you so frequently use – oh yeah – “dumb ass” reply.

            Tag, you’re it.

          • JeffH

            LMAO!

    • JeffH

      Jay, I happened to catch Hannity and watch that exchange and Hannity was 100% right in Calling the NJ Congressman Pascrell a liar! Salmon confirmed that fact and I loved every minute of it.

      Answering a question with a question is not, and never has been, acceptable…but how many times to the ignorant Libs/progressives on this board do it? Just about every time or…they’ll come back with the standard piece of conjecture and putting words in ones mouth starting with “So what you are saying is…”.

      It is apparent that the liberal/progressive morons just will not give a straight answer when questioned and do everything they can to tap dance and decieve around an answer.

      Ya can’t fix stupid because stupid is forever!

      • Bill

        Good comment, Jeff
        John Wayne said “Life is tough and it is even tougher if you are stupid”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      I loved that. Sean owned that creepy Dem when he offered a bet and Pascrell went off on a tangent. It’s just like the creepy Liberal Progressives that we deal with everyday on this board.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. We seem to have the libturds and progturds on the run. No quarter! No quarter! Keep up the pressure and they will fall apart just like a house of cards. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care and the shutdown.
    http://www.eaglerising.com/2075/need-healthcare-dial-1-800-fyo/
    http://www.eaglerising.com/2054/obamacare-forcing-pay-abortions/
    http://www.eaglerising.com/2050/whos-worried-shutdown-congress/
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior.”
    John Quincy Adams – 1837
    6th President of the U.S.
    Devout Christian

    • smilee

      None of them are running they are cheering the GOP stupidity!! This time it the Democrats that are 100% united and the GOP is crippled by all their infighting and divided. United you stand divided you fall. The GOP has already lost this fight and are to arrogant to admit it yet. Pressure from the public is mounting on them over twenty of them already have said they will fold this is over if Bohnner lets them vote as the votes are there now to end the shutdown. They have no pressure to exert and people like you in denial about it and seek out feel good propaganda to support your denial. You lose this time sammie just as you did in Nov 12

      • Vis Fac

        Smelly strikes again with his usual inane liberal one dimensional rhetoric.

        The ONLY things DUMBOCRITES are 100% united are the elimination of God – elimination of OUR Constitution – Murdering 1.2 Million babies each year – pushing their agenda – dumbing down of America – taxing people who work – and living on the dole. Have I missed anything? Oh yeah disarming LAW ABIDING Citizens – Placing blame for your failures on others – raising the national debt and others to numerous to mention. NOT one thing constructive or progressive (in the traditional meaning of progressiveness) and you have all the answers!

        OK SMELLY please tell me why Chicago Detroit and DC are such hell holes with so much unabated crime. Tell me why Detroit after 60+years of 100% DUMBOCRITIC RULE is bankrupt and why ODUMBO sees Detroit as model for the US?

        Please provide a lucid response rather than your usual diatribe we all look forward to read what you have to say in response.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          No, every democrat will vote for a clean bill to start up the government and now enough republicans will join them so it will pass, Bohnner will not put it up for a vote because a majority of his people will not vote for a clean bill. Proof that the GOP wants the shutdown and it was this same divide in their caucus that caused the shutdown in the first place stupidity abounds in the GOP today and your support of their stupidity makes you equally as stupid. The rest of your post is irrelevant to this issue so will ignore your game playing.

          • Vis Fac

            IN YOUR DREAMS Smelly. Now how’s about rising to my challenge of what I accused you and your party of? As usual you offer nothing of substance only CONJECTURE

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            You will be forced to agree with me in the end as this is how it will play out. Obamacare will be here and funded wait and see.

          • Vis Fac

            FORCED? Reality Check I still live in the United States of America. I have my God given right (and firearms) to resist being FORCED by a liberal dogma. SMELLY you are INSANE and should be institutionalized!!!

            Finally the true objective of your agenda has been revealed you admitted so in your post you liberals FORCE your agenda. Hardly the “tolerable” quality you preach. If this is what liberalism is to you FORCING your agenda on everyone then you and your ilk are the problem and should be ELIMINATED. Should you care to contest my position on this matter I will be more than willing and glad to oblige!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Barakolips

            I second that motion and concur.

          • smilee

            Your loosing it, best make an appointment with your shrink!! You will have to learn to adjust to the fact Obamacare is here to stay and the GOP lost this battle big time.

          • Vis Fac

            You’ve Lost it You’re (the proper spelling by the way) falling into the abyss of liberalism where facts and reality are trapped for all time never to re emerge.

            Fantasy land is in Florida and CA You aren’t a resident of either state are you?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Do yourself a favor and make an appointment with your shrink!! You will have to learn to adjust to the fact Obamacare is here to stay and the GOP lost this battle big time.

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly I see you get off on repeating yourself I suppose you get off just repeating liberal one dimensional garbage It’s almost orgasmic isn’t it?

            You’re like a broken record destined to repeat until no one notices How sad for you how sad indeed!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            It does not seem to be working but will try again, I feel for you buddy! Do yourself a favor and make an appointment with your shrink!! You will have to learn to adjust to the fact Obamacare is here to stay and the GOP lost this battle big time.

          • Vis Fac

            Again the repetition surely a sign of psychosis. Perhaps you should follow you own advise

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            DITTO!! There is no fool more foolish than you!!

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            Now you sound like a child in the school yard. Are you a teenager?

          • smilee

            I guess I am to old and wise for you to comprehend.

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            That is really funny that you think so highly of yourself. Your comments show you to be like the village idiot.

          • smilee

            Simple minds always come up with simple and inaccurate conclusions, maybe when you grow that will improve some for you

          • independent thinker

            Smelly is in his third childhood and this time he regressed al the way back to kindergarten.

          • JeffH

            LMAO and ROF!

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly I refuse to have a battle of wits with an UNARMED person. Especially with a LOSER like YOU

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            You are nuts!!

          • JeffH

            Force says “Smelly I refuse to have a battle of wits with an UNARMED person.”

            Don’t you mean…Smelly I refuse to have a battle of wits with half-wits and an UNARMED person?

          • Vis Fac

            Moot point nit wits dim wits and half wits make up the bulk of the DUMBOCRITIC party as far as I am concerned none have ever directly responded to any question posed on any topic All I see is laying blame passing the buck labeling character assassination and ignoring the question completely . Then again when these clowns respond with a myriad of BS BS BS BS or LOL LOL LOL and Ha Ha Ha etc. at that point I know I OWN them so the battle of wits was over before it began.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • JeffH

            Looking in the mirror I see!

            Out of curiosity, what brand of adult diaper do you wear?
            Tranquility?
            Depends?
            Attends?
            Prevail?
            ???
            Just curious in case I ever feel the need if I get so full of sh!t, old and senile like you. God forbid!

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            I went to the store to get some for Force Recon but they told me that you had been there and bought every one of them all for yourself.

          • Bill

            Obamacare will fail on it’s own. It is flawed and will cave in on itself

          • smilee

            You hope!!

          • JeffH

            Obamacare FACEBOOK Page Erupts With Citizens Shocked At Cost Of Premiums…
            https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov

            Hmmmm, now I know for a fact that my maximum out of pocket amount on my Aetna plan for 2014 increases by +$3300 over 2013 and that many of the medical facilities are already announcing that they will no longer accept Medi-Caid or new Medicare patients.

          • smilee

            Has nothing to do with Obamacare as Medicaid is under state regulations and medicare did not change so their decision was not based on Obamacare. Sounds like you are on a company offered plan and if that is case then the increase was because your company decided to make that change as Obamacare did not raise it. Company’s are blaming Obamacare so they do not have to admit it is them and not Obamacare as the real reason. You see you just do not understand Obamacare, iti’s your whipping boy. News reports show a big slow down in increases in premiums.

          • JeffH

            smilee, as smart as you think you are you’re not even close. Now you’ve gone and proved that you are, in fact, a liar…something that most of us have known for several years now.

            You’ve laid claim time and again that you’ve “read the bill”…you are either lying(my thoughts) or you just weren’t able to comprehend the language in the ACA which is nothing to be ashamed of…unless you keep trying to mis-represent the fact that you never really read it(ACA) or understood what was in it(ACA).

            You say: “Has nothing to do with Obamacare as Medicaid is under state regulations and medicare did not change so their decision was not based on Obamacare. ”

            Fact: ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion is one of the biggest milestones in the health care bill. Medicaid is a joint federal and state funded program that provides health care for over 60 million low income Americans, mostly children, pregnant women, people with disabilities and elderly people who need help or live in nursing homes.
            http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacares-medicaid-expansion.php

            Obamacare has already made significant changes to Medicare, namely through provider reimbursement reductions and the creation of an unelected board of bureaucrats, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Obamacare will reduce Medicare reimbursements by $716 billion over 10 years.

            This will absolutely impact seniors’ ability to access medical care. As the trustees explain: “Providers could not sustain continuing negative margins and would have to withdraw from serving Medicare beneficiaries or (if total facility margins remained positive) shift substantial portions of Medicare costs to their non-Medicare, non-Medicaid payers.”

            Obamacare’s Medicare “savings” and increased Medicare payroll tax are often touted as increasing the solvency of the Part A trust fund, but that simply is not true. The money is counted as paying for new entitlement spending in Obamacare.

            As CBO plainly states, “CBO has been asked whether the reductions in projected Part A outlays and increases in projected [hospital insurance] revenues under the legislation can provide additional resources to pay future Medicare benefits while simultaneously providing resources to pay for new programs outside of Medicare. Our answer is basically no.”

            The ominous and looming power of IPAB. The board will consist of 15 unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats, charged with meeting a newly created budget target in Medicare. When Medicare spending surpasses the target, IPAB will have to make recommendations to lower Medicare spending.

            You say: “Sounds like you are on a company offered plan and if that is case then the increase was because your company decided to make that change as Obamacare did not raise it.”

            Fact: My plan is a MediCare plan – Aetna Medicare HMO

            You say: “News reports show a big slow down in increases in premiums.”

            Fact: A slowdown(doublespeak) does not negate the fact that insurance premiums are increasing around the country because of the ACA…especially for young people.

            Insurance Analysts: Obamacare to Increase Out-of-Pocket Premium Costs, Despite Lavish Subsidies
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/01/12/insurance-analysts-obamacare-to-increase-out-of-pocket-premium-costs-despite-lavish-subsidies/

          • smilee

            Prove me wrong, fact is you did not try because you know that is not possible as I have the truth on my side and your just full of chitt

          • WTS/JAY

            A rather childish rebuttal, smilee.

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            Now you are a comedian. “You want the truth, you can’t handle the truth”

          • JeffH

            Dummy, your distain for actual truth and facts is overshadowed by your total lack of intellectual honesty.

            In other words, ” It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”
            – MT

          • smilee

            Why don’t you refute what I say on its merits rather than just ranting. The truth is you cannot as it is the truth. which cannot be refuted so you just skirt it and rant.

          • Jack

            Smilee:

            He can’t and that’s why he attacks you with bull.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Medicaid expansion has been rejected by 26 states, all of whom I believe have Republican Governors and legislators. Thus, millions of people who were believed would be covered by Obamacare Medicaid expansion will not be covered.

            The vast majority of the $700 billion reduction in Medicare expenses come from two things. First, the elimination of subsides for private insurance companies who were paid more than $1,500.00 per Medicare Plus policy they issued above what it cost the government to provide a regular Medicare policy – thus the elimination of a government subsidy to private companies to get them to do what the Government did for less. Second the reduction in the percentage hospitals were paid (their reimbursements for care provided). A reduction the hospitals agreed to.

            BENEFITS FOR PEOPLE COVERED BY MEDICARE ACTUALLY INCREASED – such as the reduction and eventual elimination of the Doughnut Hole in drug coverage. The reduction in Medicare expenditures does extend the financial life of Medicare.

            Do you support subsidizing private business? If you don’t then why don’t you support this change?

            IPAB board members all have to be approved and confirmed by the Senate. The targets are not predicted to met for at least 10 years. What the Board can recommend is limited by the law and Congress must approve the recommendations (make the recommendation(s) law) before they can take effect.

            Be honest, Insurance policy premiums have been increasing for years – mine almost tripled between 2005 and 2009. Overall premiums have gone up less the past couple of years than for the past decade. .

          • Bob666

            Hello Jack,

            I know that much of what you have stated is factual. Over the last twenty-seven years, heath-care cost in this country have increased at more than twice the rate of inflation just about every year.

            Every year, I have had to sit down with our insurance providers and figure out a way to mitigate the cost increases for our employees and the firm as we consistently covered 300 or more employees and their family’s. While 2012 had a pretty steep increase, 2013 was a much lower increase and the scope of coverage was actually broader.

            I get a chuckle when I hear people complain about how much their rates went up this year as they probably would have seen an increased if we had never heard the term-“Obama Care”. The question is, how much of that increase is directly related to “Obama Care”?

            While there are many details that I don’t like about “Obama” care, it actually takes some burdens out of providing employee heath care and I would also say as an employer, it has always been a pain administrate medical insurance!

            Personally, I would prefer to write a check for a uniform set amount directly to the employees chosen provider and refund the difference to the employee if they work out a better deal..

            That would make running a business much easier!

          • Jack

            Bob666:

            Thanks for your comments.

            There is nothing that cannot be improved. Maybe some day we can get past all the misinformation and concentrate on improving/fixing Obamacare.

            If I had my choice we wouldn’t have Obamacare. Instead we would have expanded Medicare to cover anyone who wanted it and those who didn’t could have done what ever they wanted regarding health insurance.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jack,
            No problem. I am trying to become a “retired” Civil Engineer and the projects that my firm and I have successfully produced are standing and serving their purpose because we provided a service using proven and documented scientific facts, not opinion. Dealing with facts is how my thinking process works and while I do get it wrong from time to time, I tend to make the right call most of the time.

            I see a great deal of opinion posted on this site peppered with facts when the facts serve a political agenda. There are some very knowledgeable people on this site, but the majority tend to make very weak arguments and resort to name calling when they are pressed with facts and reality.

            While I’m not a big fan of “Obama” care,I realize that it did not occur because our healthcare system and life expectancy is in the top ten on the planet. It has taken root because our health care industry is the least cost effective in the industrialized world. Unfortunately, the medical industry also has the largest lobby group in Washington and has exercised a great deal of effort in implementing policy and law that serves the provider’s best interest more than that the the health care consumer.

            Rather than attacking the problem, most people have been programmed to attack the solution (regardless of who provides that solution). It is really sad to sit back and watch and most of these people would accuse you and I of being sheep.

            If “Obama” care is really that bad, let it be implemented and let it fail. The market will correct itself, that I can assure you.

          • Jack

            Bob666:

            I hope that when you finally get retired all goes well for you and your family.

            No one can be right all the time. All you can do is to try to find out the truth and then act on what you believe to be the truth. If you find out you were wrong, then change.

            I agree with your assessment regarding the posters on PLD. While people like TheOriginaDaveH come across as being intelligent, they also come across as being very ignorant because they blind themselves to anything that calls into question their preconceived ideas.

            The problem as I see it on with most of the right wing posters on PLD is they (1) just blindly accept what any right wing source says, (2) they don’t ever seem to really think about something before they accept or reject its truthfulness, (3) they make either no or a very limited effort to find out what the truth is, and (4) they automatically reject anything that contradicts their opinion as to how things should be.

            I would say that my biggest shortcoming is that my posts are to long. Usually because I get wrapped up in relaying what the facts are. I also fail to measure up sometimes in keeping a civil tongue. Occasionally I just have to say something back to people who are not saying nice things to me. I guess I am also rough on Force Con. I just can’t help it. He exaggerates his life story so much and his posts show he usually doesn’t know what he is ranting about.

            I agree with your comments about Obamacare and the current healthcare system.

            Take care of yourself.

          • Bob666

            Thanks Jack,

            You can spend a lot of time on this site debating trivial details with people who would not accept a fact if it hit them in the face and never will.

            When I was a kid growing up, one of the best pieces of advice my father ever gave we was; you can argue with an A$$hole all you want, but never win because no matter how correct you might be, since an A$$hole is never wrong.

            Sound Familiar ?

            Engage in a good and just debate, but don’t lower yourself to name calling. It can be hard and I have done it myself, but it will diminish yourself with those who have credibility.

          • JeffH

            Unhappy Jack, your whole post is non sequitur!

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            The facts must of tied your tongue. All you could do is respond with a dumb statement.

          • Vis Fac

            Jeff I have no interest in enrolling or signing up to Facebook or any other petty ego page hosting sight just to view partisan information. I don’t need Facebook to tell me how people feel about ODUMBOCARE.

            I know people who have faced the sticker shock of ODUMBOCARE and most will pay the tax and receive county benefits because it is cheaper to do so.

            I get a real kick on how liberals want us to believe government knows how to administer health care.

            If Government is all that at running a business then why is there a need for private mail and package delivery services like DHL FedEx and UPS etc?

            Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. – Ronald Reagan

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • JeffH

            Force, I hear ya. I don’t do Facebook either but I was merly pointing out how others were using the Facebook/HealthCare.gov page to lodge their complaints.

          • Vis Fac

            The youth of today are so willing to provide intimate details of themselves on these petty ego pages. unaware that prospective employers peruse them to “weed out” undesirable candidates, while the police use them to get evidence for an arrest people like to brag and the first place Police and the government look at are these petty ego pages. and it’s legal because they willingly provided this information Just plain stupid in my book!!

            The less people know of me the safer I am.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Of course you believe what is being posted that is critical of Obamacare. Do you believe any of the positive stuff? Of course not.

            Anyone who believes anything posted on the HealthCare blog is an idiot whether the post is positive or negative. towards Obamacare.

            To many people lie just like “Will Sheehan’s” post on Tuesday or Wednesday about his $4,000.00 fines, the lien on his home, and losing his driver’s license all because he supposedly declined to sign up for a policy under Obamacare.. All bald face lies.

            In case you can’t comprehend how obvious the lie was – a person has until 3-31-14 to get health insurance coverage and if you have it by then, whether employer based, Obamacare or other private insurance there is no penalty. Thus, he could not be penalized now because he still has 6 months to get coverage.

            Additionally, for an individual the maximum penalty for 2014 is $95.00 or 1% of your income after the first $10,000.00 (Sheehan’s income was supposed to be close to $50,000.00 thus his penalty could not exceed $400.00); the law forbids liens on homes or other property, driver’s licenses are state issued and not subject to Obamacare and the law forbids the IRS from doing anything to collect the penalty other than sending letters is to offset the penalty against any refund you might have coming. Thus if you had a fine of $300.00 and a tax refund due you of $200.00, the IRS could keep the $200.00.

            Why do you people spout off about something when you don’t know even the elementary facts about it?.
            .

          • JeffH

            Unhappy and Ignorant Jack…are you really as stupid as you come off or is it that you just can’t comprehend what someone is saying?

            Anything I’ve posted here has been verified!

            Now I’m challenging you to point out where I’ve blindly believed what someone else “blogged” or said?

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            You may fool most of your fellow righties by claiming that “anything I have posted has been verified” but you and I both know that is simply not true.

            You can fool your fellow righties because (1) most of them would never question what you say or another rightie says, (2) many have problems remembering things they have, and (3) most of them don’t know and will not learn what the actual facts are on any given issue.

            When you posted:

            “Obamacare FACEBOOK Page Erupts With Citizens Shocked At Cost Of Premiums…
            https://www.facebook.com/Healt

            Hmmmm, now I know for a fact that my maximum out of pocket amount on my Aetna plan for 2014 increases by +$3300 over 2013 and that many of the medical facilities are already announcing that they will no longer accept Medi-Caid or new Medicare patients”

            wasn’t it your intention to have people believe that there was a problem with Obamacare. Was that being honest?

            Surely even you knew from what you read that the site had been overrun by righties who were posting things that were lies. Nonetheless you post it, you take a quote from it. You certainly didn’t verify the truth of what was being posted on that site. The “no longer taking Medi-Caid or new Medicare patients” is a dead give away that that post was a lie.

            I’ll re-post part of my earlier post to you.
            ___________________________________________
            .

            Moving on to your request about your posts, I don’t have ready access to your posts other that what is on this thread so I will point one out to you.- your posts in which you quote huntfortruth.org. You make several quotes from the site as being the truth. What other conclusion can a person come to than you believed what this site had to say.

            Whenever I read something I refuse to accept it as being the truth until I verify the information for myself. This applies whether the information is from a right wing or a left wing source.

            Before I get into things, I have been a hunter since I was 8 years old. I have hunted in several states and
            Canadian Provinces. I have hunted things from waterfowl, game birds, small game, varmints, deer, elk turkey, javelina, antelope, black bear, mountain lions, wolfs, moose, caribou and grizzly bear. I was also very active in wildlife issues on both a state and national level from 1981 through 2008 after which I have slacked off.

            I also need to state that I became a life member in the NRA in the late 1970’s or early 1980’s. I used to
            donate to their Institute for Legislative Action. I stopped donating in early 1990’s because the NRA kept not only endorsing candidates (they were always
            Republicans) in my state that had voted for anti-gun owner bills like the 1994 assault weapons ban and the firearms free school zones but it kept lying about
            what those politicians had done. The final straw was when the NRA not only endorsed a Republican candidate for governor but gave him an award at their
            annual convention. From Jan to April of that same year, I spend a number of days and hours at my state’s legislature fighting to kill a number of his
            “crime bills”. Among his bills was one that it would make it illegal for a minor to be in a vehicle in which there was a firearm; one that would make it a felony to allow any minor to pick up a in firearm or ammunition without the written permission of the child’s parents; one that would make it a felony to possess a weapon (firearms or knives) within 1,000 feet surrounding a
            school, a place where a school activity was taking place or around a bus or other means of transportation (moving or stopped) for students – many students used the city buses for transportation; and one that would make it a felony to have a firearm in a motor vehicle unless it was locked in the trunk or glove
            box – this was a big problem because most hunters in my state use a pickup truck to travel to where they will be hunting and pickups do not have trunks and glove boxes are too small to put a rifle or shotgun in. This Republican was did not own a firearm, was not a hunter, was not a sportsman. The Democratic candidate was a hunter in his younger years, his boys were all hunters, his business always supported sportsmen’s groups with money and merchandise to help them and he had a gun collection that any gun nut would die for. ,

            Now to your huntfortruth.org posts. I read your posts and went to the huntfortruth.org website to see what information was there. I read a number of things on the site because I didn’t know anything about AB711, the proposed ban to prohibit the use of lead ammunition for hunting, so I wanted to find out what was going on.

            The first thing that I noticed was that the huntfortruth site was very much a professionally done website and not an inexpensive site put up by someone or a group that didn’t have money behind them. It was obvious that someone with big bucks was behind this website.

            The next thing I noticed was that the site did not ask for donations, financial assistance or for people to join.
            From these two things I began to think that the website could be a front for a group that had a financial interest in the lead ammunition issue. If that was the case, it would cause me to be skeptical of anything that was said on the site.

            I read a lot of the information on the site, I noticed that it listed a number of scientific papers and noticed that a large portion had to do with domestic livestock and not wildlife and a lot of the wildlife related studies really
            didn’t deal with lead poisoning from ammunition. This made me wonder even more who was behind this website because it was beginning to look like the site
            might not be presenting an accurate picture of what was going on.

            I went to the section on waterfowl and read that section and that was a pants on fire section. I dealt with the lead ban for waterfowl issue back in the late
            1980’s. All of the professional wildlife people I worked with, most of whom were fellow hunters, supported banning lead ammunition for waterfowl hunting
            because so many ducks were dying from lead poisoning. This section was very misleading which made me began to wonder if this was a tobacco company like disinformation campaign. It should be noted that the NRA opposed and fought against the ban on lead ammunition for waterfowl hunting..

            I continued searching the site trying to find out who was behind it. Finally I looked at the pages under the Support section and found that the huntfortruth was created by the NRA. The website said that the NRA and the California Rifle and Pistol Association hired a law firm and scientists, experts, and consultants to defend lead ammunition and the traditional hunting heritage.

            Strangely, the site went on to talk about how these experts had been working on this issue since 2003. This seemed strange to me because there was no further issue about banning lead ammunition until 2007 when its effect on California’s condors came to the forefront.

            The site talked about a Dr Don Saba (he’s a NRA Board of Directors Member) giving testimony that was a game changer – proving the science was wrong about lead poisoning. I listened to a clip of his testimony and checked a couple of the papers the
            article mentioned. I found the claim about one paper to incorrect and the testimony wasn’t a game changer.

            It would take many hours of detailed research for anyone to be able to honestly say who is telling the
            truth about this lead poisoning issue. I know you didn’t spend hours checking this issue out and I’m pretty sure you spent far less time than I did in reading and checking things out

            By my standards I would never promote what this website is saying as being the truth. You on the other did accept the information as being fact because
            you repeated it as being fact.

            Admit it, you did nothing to actually verify the information on the huntfortruth.org website
            before you quoted it in your posts.

          • JeffH

            You really are stupid aren’t you!

            Like I said before, your opinion and conjecture don’t equate to proving my info otherwise…you’re grasping at straws.

            You cannot prove me wrong so you’ll just keep saying it hoping its true…admit it, you’re really pathetic.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Your hatred is showing again.

            Its only in your mind that you haven’t been proven wrong.

            .

          • JeffH

            Re-read my response above ya dumb ass… your opinion and conjecture don’t equate to proving my info otherwise…you’re grasping at straws.

            You cannot prove me wrong so you’ll just keep saying it hoping its true…admit it, you’re a really ignorant and pathetic progressive.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Just like a CONservative you just keep repeating the same old things. When are you guys going to learn that repeating something that is not true will never make it true?

            Good luck with your hunting. You’ll survive and so will hunting whether or not Governor Brown signs AB711.

          • JeffH

            Unhappy Jack says bah, bah, bah!

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Well now that Gov. Brown has signed AB711 into law, I guess you will have until 2019 to switch to non-lead ammunition when you hunt in California.

          • JeffH

            Are you boasting Unhappy Jack or are you just “stalking” me…and no, I won’t be forced to switch to non-lead by this law when I hunt in California…ever…nor will I be breaking any laws.

            FYI, it’s not a “done deal” yet, anyway. Brown has authorized the Director of Fish & Game to suspend the ban if the feds prohibit non-lead ammo and rest assured there will be a lawsuit filed against AB 711.

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            Once again you expose your ignorance for all to bask in.

            People who are on Medicare can’t get on Obamacare so it doesn’t apply to you.

            Government isn’t administering health care under Obamacare. Government sets the floor for what private health insurance policies must cover if they are sold on the exchanges.

            Actually federal law prevents the Post Office from doing many things that would compete with UPS. FedEx, DHL, etc. Also UPS, FedEx etc actually turn their mail/packages over to the Post Office for delivery. in many rural areas.

          • Vis Fac

            Jack A$$–Well since I am well over sixteen and apparently you aren’t it doesn’t surprise me that you label me ignorant. We all know teenagers know everything.

            Now let’s for a minute forget the fact that my youngest Daughter is a physician and lets forget I’ve been advised of all the fine points of ODUMBOCARE And certainly lets forget that I was once a Government employee assigned to lets just say an organization few are qualified to work for.

            OK now lets talk of USPS shall we. Their charter allows for sending parcels both domestically and internationally So do UPS DHL and Fedex Now you say that DHL UPS and FedEx turn their packages over to the USPS right?

            So let me ask you this why do FedEx UPS and DHL have and maintain a fleet of aircraft just to have USPS do their delivery? I live in an ultra rural area and the USPS NEVER comes to my place FedEx DHL and UPS have .

            For once I would like tho have a liberal tell the truth instead on making things up to support THEIR agenda. Just Once!! I know I’m dreaming but I still have hope.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You aren’t informed about the large parts of Obamacare, let alone the fine points. If you were you would have known that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are one and the same law.

            Since you went from high school to the Marines, from the marines to college, from college to your 100 employee engineering firm, and from your engineering firm to retirement – when could you have this secret government job?

            I said that for delivery to SOME small rural areas, UPS, Fedex, etc turn the items over to the USPS for actual delivery. They do this because it is to expensive for them to send a truck out to a place in the middle of no where. Only the USPS is forced to delivery things to small rural areas.

            You are constantly told the truth but you refuse to believe it.

          • Vis Fac

            Well JACK A$$ you obviously don’t know that one can be in the service on active duty and also be assigned to other departments within the government. I’m sorry you only have a small capacity for thinking out of the box to even consider such a scenario And while in business I don’t suppose it would be possible to continue what I was doing while a government employee.

            Now you start back peddling about the Postal Service. AGAIN I OWN YOU !!

            Now you ASSUME that I don’t know the difference between the AHA and ODUMBOCARE Just because you recently became aware that doesn’t mean no one else has. Even though in many of my postings on this subject I know a lot more than the average person. I use the term ODUMBOCARE because it is a pile of dog crap infested with maggots.

            You continue to prove how stupid you are when you try and make a point of which your knowledge of leaves you severely lacking I shouldn’t be surprised because -The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so. – Ronald Reagan

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            I didn’t back pedal on anything. You were misstating what I said about UPS and Fedex, etc. so I tried to focus you in on what you should have been talking about.

            I am well award of attached duty. Your record of exaggerations and the fact that you never put this in your “histroy” makes your recent claim highly suspect.

            I don’t assume anything about you not knowing the difference between AHA and Obamacare. I don’t know what AHA is, we were talking about ACA so maybe you just had a typographical error.

            In any case you are the one that said ACA and Obamacare are different laws when they are just different names for the same law.

            You can keep displaying you ignorance by claiming to know all about healthcare and Obamacare but each time you post something you prove that you don’t know squat about either.

            You can keep denying what you said but its in writing.
            You are just like many republican/conservative politicians and commentators they say something and then when confronted with what they say they deny that they said it – only there is a recording proving that they said it.

            I used to get a kick of a segment that Sen. Al Franken used to have on his radio show It would play clips of Rush saying something and then another clip where he would deny having said it.

            No matter how much you deny it you can’t change the fact that you said it. ..

          • Vis Fac

            Jack A$$ Did you not say “Actually federal law prevents the Post Office from doing many things that would compete with UPS. FedEx, DHL, etc. Also UPS, FedEx etc actually turn their mail/packages over to the Post Office for delivery. in many rural areas.” Or did I mis read what you wrote?

            You I and everyone else knows this is a falsehood so yes you did in fact back peddle and were CAUGHT This means you have ZERO credibility!!!!

            AND I STILL OWN YOU!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You appear to be trying to turn two statements into one.

            They were two different statements. The law prevents the Post Office from doing things that would be competing with private business. UPS, Fedex, etc do in fact turn over some of their items to the USPS for actual delivery.

            Both statements are true. They don’t become false just because in your fantasy world you don’t want them to be true

            I am attaching a link you can go to look at the “Report on Measuring the Benefit of Rural Postal Service for the Postal Regulatory Commission”.

            http://www.prc.gov/(S(lyz520elz3r3zl552ud0fa45))/prc-docs/library/archived/Rural_Service_Report.pdf.

            If you go to pages 8-9 you will find a discussion of the matter of UPS, Fedex, etc using the Post Office to deliver their items:

            “Benefits of Parcel Consolidation

            As discussed above, the use of the Postal Service’s lower cost delivery network allows parcel consolidators to deliver large volumes to the Postal Service for final delivery. Major consolidators include FedEx SmartPost, DHL Global Mail, UPS Mail Innovations,
            UPS Basic, Blue Package, Newgistics and Streamlite (formerly Mail Express). Of these companies, only two can utilize its own delivery network in place of workshare with the Postal Service: UPS for its Basic service and FedEx for its SmartPost service

            For UPS Basic, shipments tendered to the Postal Service are limited to certain rural ZIP Codes due to restriction in their union contracts, with the remainder traveling through UPS’ network. FedEx Ground and Home Delivery Service have a network in place to
            delivery to rural areas but not utilized for the parcels handled in FedEx SmartPost network due to customer preference for a lower cost service. The other consolidators are built around using the Postal Service’s delivery network for 100 percent of their
            shipments.

            “Without such service, the businesses located in rural areas will be paying about $3.00 more per parcel and the people residing in such rural areas will be paying about $5.45 ($3.00 for Ext. DAS and $2.45 for ground residential) more per parcel, or both businesses
            and consumers will be limited in ordering for direct delivery to their address”.

            If you go to the Summary Section on pages 12 and 13, you will find more discussion of the use of the Post Office for last mile delivery (THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE POST OFFICE ONLY TRANSPORTS THE ITEM FOR THE LAST MILE). Last mile delivery means the last segment of the delivery process.

            Give it up Force, once again you don’t know what you are talking about.

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$ I am not disputing the fact that UPS DHL and FedEx uses USPS delivery I do however have issues with your false information regarding the laws prohibiting the USPS to interfere with These companied I direct you to your own statement of falsehood,

            “Actually federal law prevents the Post Office from doing many things that would compete with UPS. FedEx, DHL, etc. Or did I misread what you wrote? I know for a fact the USPS does the very same things that UPS DHL and FedEx does only less efficiently.

            Go blow smoke up someone else’s A$$ I’m not buying anything you say.

            I STILL OWN YOU!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            Glad to see that you are finally agreeing that UPS etc. do use the USPS for delivery services.

            The law does limit the things that USPS can do.

            Your problem is you are the one that blows smoke by repeating nonsense that you hear or read without verifying it truth. Checking a couple of right wing sources is not verifying anything.

            .

          • Vis Fac

            I never said they didn’t . it was you who said and I quote Actually federal law prevents the Post Office from doing many things that would compete with UPS. FedEx, DHL, etc. Also UPS, FedEx etc actually turn their mail/packages over to the Post Office for delivery. in many rural areas.
            Now tell me I’m wrong those were YOU words. SO again you know nothing and therefore have ZERO credibility!!!!

            I just FLUSHED you; AGAIN!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Jack A$$

            “Government isn’t administering health care under Obamacare. Government sets the floor for what private health insurance policies must cover if they are sold on the exchanges.”
            ODUMBOCARE IS ADMINISTERED BY THE IRS. I DON’T KNOW WHEN THE IRS BECAME SEPARATED FROM THE GOVERNMENT. SO YOUR ARGUMENT HERE IS 100% BOGUS

            “Actually federal law prevents the Post Office from doing many things that would compete with UPS. FedEx, DHL, etc. Also UPS, FedEx etc actually turn their mail/packages over to the Post Office for delivery. in many rural areas.”
            ACTUALLY YOU ARE 100% WRONG HERE AS WELL. THE USPS HAS HANDLES ALL MAIL SERVICES THAT FedEx DHL AND UPS DOES FROM ITS (SUPS) INCEPTION. THEY PROVIDE PARCEL AIR MAIL OVERNIGHT TWO DAY SEVEN DAY DELIVERIES JUST AS THE “PRIVATE CARRIERS” DO. ONLY LESS EFFICIENTLY
            So why don’t you try and tell someone as dumb as you that you know what’s going on for intelligent people know better.
            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force: Recon:

            I am concerned for you. Have you been to your doctor and checked for signs of dementia or alzheimers? You are factually wrong on almost everything you post

            The IRS only handles the reporting of health insurance on income tax returns, the assessment of any penalties for not having insurance and the subsidies for lower income people. The IRS does’t have any role in medical care.

            You are also wrong regarding the USPS and UPS< Fedex, etc

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$
            If I were you I’d be more concerned about yourself rather than me.
            The trouble with you is not that you’re ignorant; it’s
            just that you know so much that isn’t so. You keep making an issue out of something you know nothing about I am getting overly concerned with our educational system judging by you and your comments I feel I need to get a refund for under performance of our public schools.

            It’s either that or you are a glutton for punishment I keep landing hay makers on your noggin and you come back for more oblivious that you are down for the count!!.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • JeffH

            Sleepee says “You will be forced to agree with me…”
            Force is a word that you and your progressive friends understand very well.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sleepee, I think you’ve been hanging out too much with that other dwarf — Dopey.

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly Just what do you consider to be a “clean bill” I suppose ODUMBOCARE that is loaded with PORK you find to be a “clean bill”

            Yeah Smelly you’ve got your ducks in a row alright.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            What is your problem???????? Your simple mind is no longer functioning at all is itl????? No stings attached for now continue all current appropriations. Obamcare would not be removed or funding revoked. Blackmail will not work for the GOP, you will see!!.

          • Vis Fac

            So now it’s Obamcare not chock full of PORK care. You can’t differentiate no strings and chock full of PORK and you call it a “clean bill”?

            I’m afraid you are the one with no mind let alone a “simple mind”

            I suggest you quit before I bury you with facts that will overload your pea brain.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            I never said that dummy, you have clearly demonstrated many times you have no idea what a fact is as all you tell are lies.

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly you have never said much of anything that was even close to fact but you did sat that alright. And now you are back peddling as expertly as ODUMBO and Holder have done. You merely sling accusations and provide nothing but conjecture and lies and you want to be taken seriously. You are a PUTZ with ZERO credibility.

            Now if I want any more from you I’ll just flush twice!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            LOL What a JOKE!!

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly — You most certainly are The joke that is you keep me (and a lot of others) amused with your empty headed inane comments.

            Your incessant inane ramblings serves to illustrate the value of liberal one dimensional idiot-ology indoctrination camps AKA public schools.

            I am certainly glad I received a “quality” education prior to the DUMBOCRITE take over of the public school system.

            Smelly keep those jokes coming.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Another post totally devoid of anything relevant just mean spirited which is defining you

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly all your posts are completely devoid of substance and relevancy. You accuse me of being mean spirited but first you must look to yourself for you are the one who fired the first salvo. and now because I own you you come up with this tripe.

            I wish I could say you made a valiant effort but alas I cannot for you are merely just another idiot in a sea of idiots trying to convince yourself you are in the right when in fact you know better.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Bill

        Smilee’s comments are a good example of what we are up against. Keep up the fight, no quarter

        • Vis Fac

          Smelly’s comments are a prime example of the result of liberal one dimensional idiot-ology programmed by their indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools.

          This should give everyone pause to consider where to school their children. Liberal indoctrination produces functionally illiterate automatons dependent on government and lame stream media!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If the Democrats have already won the fight why are you on this site prattling. So it simply means Democrats didn’t win anything.

        • smilee

          Why do you care? Nobody won anything the democrats did, however, are stopping the lunacy of the GOP from happening.

          • Vis Fac

            With more LUNACY and IMMORALITY of their OWN

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            It will end up that way, you will see!!

          • Vis Fac

            I know Liberalism equals LUNACY and IMMORALITY we are more than half way there and you fail to see reality yet still promote we adopt your agenda.

            You suffer from a terminal case of cerebral necrosis which you want all Americans to embrace.

            NOT GONNA HAPPEN on MY WATCH I’ll keep you distracted (which won’t take mush to accomplish) until you are defeated and locked away in a nut house.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Your loosing it, best make an appointment with your shrink!!

      • John

        So another fully brainwashed liberal dork. You are spouting a full blown lie. That comes from the brainwashing process and the reprogramming of your mind. This all started in 1991 when the iron curtain came down and the leftist news media started hiring the former Soviet block propagandist and psychologist to complete the process. They had 70 years of experience to fall back on. So you are the result of that process. Just a tool, nothing more. You have 0 understanding of what has been done to you and why you react the way you do to the programmed stimuli.

        • smilee

          In the end you will be forced to agree with me as it will play out as I said!!

          • Vis Fac

            Again IN YOUR DREAMS. They say ignorance is bliss if this is true you are one of the most blissful people on earth!! truth be known more like one of the most stupid persons on earth!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Nadzieja Batki

            How will we be forced to agree with you? What is this proclivity to using coercion on people.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Wanna bet, traitor? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

    • Bill

      You are right, Sam,
      We have to keep up the fight and give no quarter. The progressives goal is the destruction of capitalism and our freedoms. There is no compromise or any middle ground

      • Vis Fac

        Here-Here!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Cashu

      Regarding the second link you’ve provided, where Obamacare requires the taxpayer to pay for abortions…

      This,
      stated so beautifully, is exactly why I hold liberal progressives in
      such rich and utter contempt. They stupidly and blindly believe in the
      collective, which forces individuals to participate in, and fund
      state-mandated activities that they absolutely detest on moral and
      ethical grounds. That is precisely what the founders tried to protect
      us against with a bottom-up republic of the people, etc., focused on
      individual rights always placed ABOVE the “rights” of the collective,
      the state. They wanted to provide a system that forces a small, weak
      government to assist the individual the enjoyment of his life, his full
      liberty, and allows him to pursue his particular idea of happiness.
      That idea, when honored by politicians, would necessarily preclude any
      collective mandates from a federal government.

      What is so
      maddening, for those of us who want to remain free today, is the
      progressives’ fixation on creating a system in America that has
      invariably been proven an abject failure for the average citizen in
      every country it has ever taken over. When the liberals continually
      push for uncontrolled leviathan, it looks to be a variation on
      Einstein’s stated definition of insanity. But, because those fools
      can’t learn from any other country’s experience, we’ll all be forced to
      repeat a historical failure again – in defiance of the Constitution
      which, if interpreted strictly, as the founders intended, would limit
      the federal scope to delineated activities, prohibiting it from any
      activities or responsibilities reserved to the individual and the
      states.

      They can stick a fork in us, we’re about done. Lord help us…

      Cashu

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  • WTS/JAY

    Senior Obama official: “We’re winning. It doesn’t matter how long the shutdown lasts.”

    Yep. If you wait long enough, the Democrats will tell you exactly what they mean. Today, a senior Obama administration official admitted that they don’t care how long the shutdown lasts.

    from Wall Street Journal:

    House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) left the White House and said Mr. Obama “reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate.”

    Terry Holt, a longtime Republican strategist, said Mr. Obama’s strategy rests on a cold-eyed calculation that Republicans are the ones with the most to lose. “As long as the president thinks his poll numbers are going to be good, I don’t expect the government to reopen,” he said.

    Said a senior administration official: “We are winning…It doesn’t really matter to us” how long the shutdown lasts “because what matters is the end result.”

    Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s the Republicans who are causing this shutdown. Democrats, by admission, don’t care how long the shutdown lasts.

    Republicans have offered up CR after CR, and the Democrats are so bound to their ideology that they’re content to grind the gears of government to a halt in order to punish the other side.

    http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/63092434479/senior-obama-official-were-winning-it-doesnt

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The longer the shutdown exists, the more the American people are going to wake up to the reality that the Federal Government is for the most part an unnecessary intrusion into our lives.
      If the Federal Government can’t run Yellowstone or the others in a cost-effective manner, then they ought to be contracted out to Private Companies who would do the job more cost effectively, and more politely. The only trouble I’ve ever encountered in my many trips to Yellowstone came from the Park Rangers — NOT from the thousands of visitors who are typically very well-behaved people. The Rangers are Propagandists and unreasonably pushy.
      For instance on one of my trips, my wife and I were sleeping in our station wagon, and in the middle of the night I was awakened by two men brushing by my car. I scrambled out in my long-johns and asked what they were doing. They identified themselves as Rangers and told me that they were confiscating my stove, which was clean, but they claimed that the smell of grease would attract bears. I told them we were sleeping in the car so where did they expect us to put it? This was before bear boxes. They said I should store it in the restroom then. Sure. Even as a young man, I was smart enough to know the danger in that because the most common bear attacks come when somebody surprises the bear. Imagine walking into a camp restroom, bleary-eyed in the middle of the night with a bear inside.
      So we took our chances (bears have been known to rip off car doors) and stored the stove where we were sleeping. The next day, some neighbors told us a story about a bear that had climbed through a restroom window, but fortunately scrambled back out before somebody had encountered it.
      And on another trip, I endured listening to a Ranger giving a campfire talk and complaining about the smog that was created by the Winter snowmobilers (which supports many surrounding towns). The Rangers wanted to shut Yellowstone down during the winter, depriving tens of thousands of visitors from a wonderful vacation, so that they could live in their beautiful smog-free winter resort unbothered by us peon visitors.
      Ideally, the Federal Government should turn those National Parks back to their rightful owners — The States.

      • Bill

        Hi Dave,

        As a young man of 21, I moved to the mountains and lived in the forest. This was 1970. The forest rangers were just common sense guys that were a world of information and taught me a lot.

        I lived there for many years and watched the changes happen. They went from common sense guys that showed you how to live compatible with the land to overeducated idiots, that knew nothing about living in the forest and acted like Nazi stormtroopers.

        I eventually got out of the forest and moved to a rural area of private property

        • Vis Fac

          Bill. I have my own little piece of heaven. Nearly 88 Hectares of private forest and grassland I bought in the early 70’s I have since retired and now live in my paradise with plenty of room for my four remaining children and their families. My nearest neighbor is a little more than a mile away and a village at about 10 miles away. I am in very good health and rather self sufficient.

          Being rural seems to produce sanity living in a cage (city) tends to make people crazy.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How cool. I’m jealous, lol.

          • Vis Fac

            Please don’t be Jealous find the motivation that allows you to acquire what you want. This is still (for now) the land of opportunity. If you want something bad enough you’ll find a way to earn it (unless you are a DUMBOCRITE then you’ll out and out steal it)

            I had to make sacrifices liberals think they’re above sacrifice

            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
            dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

            The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
            too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • WTS/JAY

        I whole-heartedly agree with you, DaveH. People seem to be under the impression that the federal-government actually runs things, when in essence, the federal-government doesn’t run anything, but rather, (controls)…big difference!!!

        • Vis Fac

          Not to mention generally mucks up everything it comes in contact with!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • WTS/JAY

            Personally, I would use the word “destroys”, Force.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Here is an article that may support what you are posting. It talks about dictatorship here in America, to count the various steps taken in this direction. If America does become this way, I’ll have no problem forming a resistance unti and fighting for our God-given rights.
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/dictatorship-101-crisis-america/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “I call on the State of Connecticut to pray that God would graciously pour out His Spirit upon us and make the blessed Gospel and His hand effectual to a thorough reformation and general revival of the holy and peaceful religion of Jesus Christ.”
        Jonathan Trumball

  • WTS/JAY

    Bill Cosby “I’m 83 and Tired” I’ve worked hard since I was 17. Except for when I was doing my National Service, I put in 50-hour weeks, and didn’t call in sick in nearly 40 years. I made a reasonable salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and I’m tired. Very tired.

    I’m tired of being told that I have to “spread the wealth” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.

    I’m tired of being told that Islam is a “Religion of Peace,” when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family “honor”; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers”; Muslims burning schools for girls; Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for “adultery”; Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to. I’m tired of being told that out of “tolerance for other cultures” we must let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries use our oil money to fund mosques and Madrasa Islamic schools to preach hate in Australia , New Zealand , UK, America and Canada , while no one from these countries are allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country to teach love and tolerance.. I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate. I’m tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses or stick a needle in their arm while they tried to fight it off?

    I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of all parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor. I’m really tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems. I’m also tired and fed up with seeing young men and women in their teens and early 20’s be-deck themselves in tattoos and face studs, thereby making themselves unemployable and claiming money from the Government.

    Yes, I’m damn tired. But I’m also glad to be 83.. Because, mostly, I’m not going to have to see the world these people are making. I’m just sorry for my granddaughter and their children. Thank God I’m on the way out and not on the way in. There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference. “I’m 83 and I’m tired. If you don’t agree you are part of the problem!

    • craig

      I hate to comment this but ..that is a great quote !! and one Bill Cosby vehemently denies quoting.

      • Karolyn

        I’ve wondered about that. I know he is outspoken; however, it gives people the opportunity to use his name to further their agenda.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Sneaky Karolyn and craig, are you saying that WTS/JAY has an agenda for posting Bill Cosby’s speech.
          I wonder why would Bill Cosby deny he ever wrote or spoke these words, unless he quickly figured out how fast his career would fizzle out if he identified with the wrong ideology. The Dems/Progs/Leftists don’t like these particular words of Cosby.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No agenda, Nad, but Jay was mistaken about the author.
            http://billcosby.com/2011/09/if-you-got-the-bogus-email-its-time-to-hit-delete/

          • Nadzieja Batki

            TODH, reread Karolyn’s comment.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why?

          • Bill Henry

            Well whoever said it, got it just right. It is the words that count not the author. It is a cogent document, so kudo to the author whoever it may be.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It counts very much who the author is. To attribute those words to somebody who didn’t say them is slander. Do you want to behave like the Liberal Progressives behave?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            There is no harm in getting an author wrong and attributing these words to Bill Cosby and Cosby himself may not have given credit because he may have internalized these words and they may have meant something to him. Were these words considered intellectual property?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What are you talking about, Nad?

          • Bill

            Hi Dave, Jay, Nad,
            No matter who said it, it is a great statement and I am sure many of us feel the same way

          • Karolyn

            I would have no problem if these words were indeed said by Cosby. I am not as thin-skinned as you are, Nadzieja. It just boggles my mind how quick you are to jump before even knowing what you are talking about. I agree with some of the quote but not all of it. I am not in a box like you are, with no wiggle room for dissension from strict ideology. BTW – Cosby has no career but is just enjoying the fruit of his labors.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Karolyn,
            When you wrote your first comment, you also had no evidence that those weren’t Cosby’s words, yet you commented anyway — the Pot calling the Kettle Black.
            Give that magic mirror to GoodWill, Karolyn. It is lying to you.

          • Karolyn

            I believed what Craig said; and you are right. I should have checked myself. I do believe, though, that I had heard before that they were not Cosby’s words.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It’s a shame, Karolyn, that you’ve somehow gotten yourself in a position of distrust where people give you thumbs down for relatively innocent remarks.
          Although the “further their agenda” phrase was certainly not necessary, and it also doesn’t lend much credence to your claim to be nearly Libertarian, as Jay is a staunch supporter of Freedom.

          • Karolyn

            The point, Dave, is that so many false statements are spread without the person spreading them checking their veracity. I have a conservative friend who sends me lots of emails with false statements.
            As far as my down arrows goes, yes, it istoo bad that people have to be that way. I really could care less. It’s the same on Facebook, with people “liking” posts. Who’s keeping count?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yet, you made a statement without checking, Karolyn.

          • smilee

            Distrust?? Karolyn is one of the most trustworthy persons on this site,

        • WTS/JAY

          What agenda would that be, Karolyn?

          • Karolyn

            Dissemination of information/opinions that support your beliefs for the purpose of bolstering those beliefs.

          • WTS/JAY

            And what beliefs would that be, Karolyn?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This could be Karolyn, but we know that Jay and the Original Dave H. are not like that. If fact, here is an article that is not just opinion or warping of the facts.
            http://www.freebeacon.com/boehner-to-white-house-this-isnt-some-damn-game/
            He is right as Obama bin Laden thinks it is a game. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The examples of holy men teach us that we should seek Him with fasting and prayer, with pentinent confession of our sins, and hope in His mercy through Jesus Christ the Great Redeemer.”
            Jonathan Trumball
            Judge
            Legislator
            Governor of Conneticut
            Called “Brother Jonathan” by George Washington
            Devout Christian

        • WTS/JAY

          Speaking of agenda(s)…

          Obama has ordered the Grand Canyon to stay closed, even after the state of Arizona and local businesses have offered to cover the costs necessary to keep it open. In other words, the shutdown isn’t about the money — it’s about hurting the American people just because he can.

          Remember, Obama walled off the WWII memorial,threatened elderly veterans with arrest, and has shut down hundreds of privately funded parks. The man isn’t trying to fix anything — it’s all going according to plan.

          Remember, politicians are motivated by power. Obama is no exception. Everything he does has a simple agenda: maximize control of citizens, increase spending, and consolidate power…

          http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/obama-grand-canyon/

      • WTS/JAY

        Yes, you are correct, craig; and i thank you as i’ve thanked DaveH for the correction!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You’ve been scammed, Jay. Bill Cosby did not write that piece. It was written by Robert D. Hall, a Marine veteran who was 63 at the time (2009) on his blogsite “The Old Jarhead”:
      http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2009/02/robert.html
      Bill Cosby has been a flaming Liberal Progressive ever since I can remember. That was my first clue. It wasn’t hard to find websites refuting his saying that.
      Here’s one:
      http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/billcosby/a/I-Am-76-And-I-Am-Tired-By-Bill-Cosby.htm

      • Vis Fac

        We all know that Cosby didn’t write this. However this is something we must acknowledge and try to change otherwise we are finished as a nation. Apathy sloth and vanity are just three of the deadly sins.

        I remember when men sported tattoos and women were pierced (ears) and the only place to see a woman with a tattoo was at a circus side show. Today we are living in a side show where liberal one dimensional idiot-ology preaches “tolerance” .

        Now when I go to a big box store (or any other for that matter) I have to tolerate looking at what once might have been an attractive woman sporting inked up arms neck legs or ??? and a face full of studs rings and other miscellaneous hardware.

        As for men(?) I don’t consider these freaks men noses lips eyebrows sporting various projections that often resemble pieces of shrapnel protruding for their faces as well as stretched out ear lobes one could drive a bus through. And I have to tolerate looking at these freaks without losing my lunch or saying something?

        Most of these “freaks” are “slothful” indolent lazy” and just want to not have to work they know they will be fed housed clothed etc. all on someone else’s dime

        Recognizing things are wrong and not saying or doing anything about it is apathetic and makes one just as culpable as those who are wrong.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Force,
          Let’s stick to the things that really are important, like what people do to other people.
          I feel sorry for those who get all the tattoos, or piercings, or whatever else they do to their own bodies, but that is their business — Not ours. And I can understand their desperate attempts to retain some kind of individuality in this increasingly Collective world.
          We need to respect other people’s Freedom no matter how visually or mentally disgusting it might be to us. If we don’t, how do you possibly hope to appeal to them rationally to respect our Freedom?
          Our main battle here is to convert millions of people who have been brainwashed into believing that Theft is okay if Government performs it, and millions more who have been brainwashed into believing that Killing is okay if Government performs it. Our hands are full.
          We are not going to win this battle unless we gather a large coalition of moral Freedom-Lovers.

          • Vis Fac

            Please review my response to Karolyn

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • Karolyn

          So you are the arbiter of what everyone considers acceptable? I certainly would not do any of that to my body; however, those people have the absolute right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else. In their corner of society, it is acceptable. Just don’t look. It’s none of your business. How do you know they’re ” ‘slothful indolent lazy’ (sic) and just want to not have to work…..”?

          • Vis Fac

            As Always I voice MY own opinions and reference my own experiences Unlike our liberal friends I never tell people what they should and shouldn’t do. They are free to make any choice they want just don’t force me to do likewise or be accepting of that choice.
            What I described is true in some respects regarding side show freaks and the like. I fondly remember looking at women who took pride in their appearance.
            Today it seems the more easy a girl projects herself to be the more acceptable she is. I guess I’m too old fashioned and appreciate natural beauty as opposed to being inked up.

            One last opinion. When I ran my engineering firm every employee was an emissary of sort they projected an image of what our firm was and what we had to offer.

            I did not want potential clients to think we were some fly by night operation and that we could perform as advertised. In the professional world you are evaluated and considered because of the people you employ. You are more likely to be successful if you project a professional appearance as opposed to one who hires transients as their workforce. Like it or not in the business world tattoos provide a stigma of the transient and have a negative effect on employment just a fact!

            I personally find all this defacing one does to their bodies as repulsive and sick. Most who do these things are seeking validation and or recognition and attention.

            As for being indolent or slothful. Since you asked I’ll let you know how I feel. Today it seems as though everyone wants a career instead of a job. People refuse t work they think is beneath them. hey would rather live on welfare and food stamps than hold down three jobs (as I have done) Work for a meal (as I have done) or accept employment (as I have done) outside their preferred vocational goals.

            I know of many positions that go unfilled because someone is not willing to exert the effort to acquire the proper education or skill set, or willing to take less compensation (because they think they are worth more than the salary offered) or willing to do anything to get ahead. Yes I say indolence sloth and lethargy. I am no better than anyone else and conversely no one is better than me. If I can do and have done all I could to ensure my survival so can everyone else. No excuses!

            It’s your live how you chose to live is your business however when your choices or lifestyle (or agenda) interferes with my ability to provide for me and mine then we have a problem!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • WTS/JAY

        Perhaps, but it makes the content of the article no less poignant.

      • WTS/JAY

        Actually, i went on Bill Cosby’s website where Bill denies ever having written the above article. You were right, DaveH. Thanks for the correction!

    • Frank

      You got it Bill I worked two jobs most of my life . Plus officiated Football 28 Yrs. Basketball 26 Yrs. Track and Field 15 yrs . So I would not have to go on welfare and collect food stamps .

    • guest

      Excellent!
      Could not have said it better.
      I am near your age and am as tired as you are.
      AND, funnily enough have used the same expression many times, “I am so glad I am on the way out and not on the way in”
      Luckily, I have no children to worry about but am so sorry for the children of all my friends.
      I just hope that God will see to it in his good time so that these despots and tyrants will also suffer for their misdeeds.
      Pray that this will be so, and soon.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. Remember Camp Bastion, Afghanistan? This was another event on Obama bin Laden’s watch, who is responsible for 75% of all deaths in Afghanistan. Here is an article that tells about a mother of one military personnel and here mission. Written by another patriot Michelle Malkin.
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/10/04/a-camp-bastions-moms-call-of-duty-n1716560/page/full
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Better to fight for something than die for nothing.”
    General George S. Patton, Jr.

    • Vis Fac

      Having been an officer in the Marine Corps this article really enrages me. Junior officers take their jobs quite seriously while senior staff seem to be addled in administrative concerns. The delegation of authority is no excuse for shirking ones duty or obligation. Something Liberals like to do.

      I need only mention Clinton and ODUMBO and you should know why. Before you liberal clowns start on Reagan and our Marine Barracks in Lebanon let me tell you this The Marines were on a “peace keeping mission” in an unstable environment whose people didn’t want peace.

      The suicide bombing of the Marine Barracks made it crystal clear we were not wanted. So rather than waste resources and especially our troops for a nation that didn’t want us there. Reagan decided to do what others that followed didn’t remove our troops from harms way.

      Reagan was not averse to using force when necessary Panama and Grenada come to mind where our troops rescued Americans. Reagan made mistakes just as any mortal would he did give arms to our enemy but only once ODUMBO continues to arm our enemies and is not ashamed to do so.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Jack

        Force Recon:

        When did you get the promotion?

        Your previous posts were that you joined the Marines after high school; you did three consecutive tours in Vietnam in a reconnaissance battalion without being wounded. and then you got out of the Marines and went to college, after which you started your 100 person engineering company that did business on six continents.

        Nice of you to try to protect old Reagee boy. No matter what you say he cut and ran. Grenada and Panama are hardly things that I would mention if I was trying to prove how brave and strong someone was. Those things are like having Ali in his prime fighting a 110 lb woman.

  • TIME

    My Dear People,
    It saddens my heart to have to post this but, what I am about to say needs to be said.
    We have been witness to the ruthless aggressive behavior of the DC Police – Capital Police, DC Park Police, as well all other District of Columbia Police on Thursday afternoon.
    What we have been told about this young upcoming beautiful woman Miriam Carey ~~~~ “a Tourist” ~~~~
    on holiday in DC, BTW ~ of what DC is one of the most absurd places to get around in, – its like being in a maze of stupid.
    All that aside, we have witnessed { Congress give a STANDING OVATION} to the out right “”MURDER”” of this beautiful young woman by the above noted police.
    That should make you all sick just by the very act that Congress preformed, thus displaying their distain for all Americans no matter what Color, Race, or Religion you may be.
    And again I make note that the Mass Media has posted the same worthless Bovine waste – as in all of them no matter what mindless station you may feel is better.
    Again they are all in on deceiving YOU.
    Again all that aside, can anyone of you really say that a young woman with a child in the car presents a threat to “National Security” – with a straight face?
    Can you really?
    Yet, the Criminals in Congress can not only give a Standing Ovation to outright MURDER, they also then think we are all so dam stupid that we would agree with such mindless Bovine Waste provided by the Rothschild’s media empire.
    My good people,
    I keep telling you day after day, that these people are Criminal Zionist Monsters, as well as pernicious and rapacious SOB’S and yet still many of you can’t seem to grasp that.
    That begs the question ___ why is that again?
    What do you need to see these monsters for what they are?
    My good people, this is just the start, how many more “”alleged”” CRAZY people will have to DIE, before you get it?
    Again: Bill Clinton in his speech to the Chinese Communist said the following about BARRak O’Bama’s alleged – Affordable health care act.
    “The American people will get used to “COMMUNISM.”
    Do you get it?
    The American people need to stand up now and speak with no uncertain words,
    WE REGECT everything that is Corrupt and criminal –
    Everything that is Lucifer’s ~ we will have no part of.
    These alleged congress people Love and embrace Lucifer, what will it take to open your eyes to this fact?
    How much more BLOOD must be spilled, How many more people around the globe must die at the hands of “””PURE EVIL””” for you to open your eyes?
    Keep in mind BARRak, O’Bama’s words: I have two words for you:
    “Predator Drones!” “You’ll never see them coming.”
    This twisted Monster then laughed about that statment as if it were funny, what’s really sad is that the media people there were laughing even harder!
    Peace and Love to all who get it,
    To you that are just opening your eye’s to all this evil, Please get straight with Jesus Christ, “NOW.”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Keep up the good fight, Time. Your comment certainly will fall on many purposely deaf ears, but your efforts to wake up clueless people are greatly appreciated by those of us who understand what we’re up against.

      • Bill

        Good comment Dave,
        We are fighting for our way of life. It is very easy to get mad when we hear comments from the collectivists who are promoting tyranny and oppression.

        • Vis Fac

          Not to mention stupidity, sloth, and one dimensional liberalism.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • FreedomFighter

      Amen brother.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • Bill Henry

    conventionofstates.com Look, Read, Join if you want our country back. Remember our forefathers and their struggle, and the legacy they left us. Remember the War of 1812. Remember the words of Nathan Hale. Remember all those who lay buried in National Cemeteries, in foreign lands, on lonely islands in the Pacific. Remember their legacies to us. We must protect that legacy and leave it for our progeny. Remember the WWII Memorial being closed to those it memorializes.It is the entire political system not just one party or the other who should bear the brunt of our disdain. The entire system is sleezy and corrupt. A clean sweep is needed, and the ideas of the folks at this link are a Constitutional way of doing it. It is doable with enough participation and persuasion.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      I like it, Bill. Keep up the good work.

    • Carlos

      Bill, It’s time. If we don’t make a move now we can kiss this country goodbye and it will be nothing more than a third world ghetto.
      For myself, I don’t want anymore of the Democratic party and it’s Marxist agenda, I’m disgusted with the weakness the Republicans have shown ,
      The tea party has the right idea, however they have allowed the media to diminish their power through ridicule and poor choice of candidates in some areas
      Talk is cheap, we need to step up to the plate and save our country, The politicians have allowed the country to be over run by illegal aliens and not only them, they are allowing an insidious cult called Islam to flood into the country st the tax payers expense.all this in the name of votes for power.

      Take a look at the Democratic State of California. need I say more, We have millions of illegal aliens from Mexico, they have drained the States resources and no one lifted a finger to deport these people.The Governor, Moonbeam Brown, is a bleeding heart liberal/Marxist and does nothing except find more ways to tax the people.and under the guise of environmental concern has slowly eroded the freedom we had.

      We have a large mass of people who care nothing about the laws of the land nor do they appreciate the freedom, their concern is what can I get for free.You connect that to the Government employees, State and civil employes, unionist, there is no way we are going to vote these people out of power, There is no way the Republicans are
      going to be successful in stopping Obamacare, This ACA is the deciding power control over this nation.

      So what do the remaining minority of freedom loving people do? We have lost the country, so now we either fight or succumb, political solutions will gain nothing, We either secede from the Union or be enslaved by the Bolsheviks and domineered by the Wizard of Oz.

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  • Palin16
    • Cashu

      Birds of a feather… as they say. O’Bummer may be somewhat more circumspect and polished, but if you look at their lives objectively and honestly, it’s apparent that both these boys still share the same attitudes and beliefs. As I read somewhere else, this low-life thug victimizes people one at a time, but slick O’Bummer has refined his approach to victimizing folks; he victimizes innocent (albeit the majority are low information) people by the millions at the same time…

      Cashu

      =====================

      • Palin16

        Just add it to the long list of liberal lunatics he has surrounded himself with….Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Rod Blagojevich, Tony Rezko to name just a few.

        • Vigilant

          Cass Sunstein, Van Jones, Anita Dunn, et. al,

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      What else is new? He and his ilk are all the same. Inflamed boils on the buttocks of this nation. Here are some interesting articles about Obama bin Laden and Harry “Woody Allen” Reid.
      http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/reid-kids-cancer-articulate/2013/10/03/id/529236#ixzz2gkzX2YHv
      http://www.minutemannews.com/2013/10/obamacare-let-spell/
      http://www.thedailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#ixzz2glMmLCNz
      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. I’ve sent e-mails to my representative and senators about voting to defund Obama bin Laden Care. They all support our wishes on this issue. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “A man who lives only for revenge keeps his own wounds green.”
      Sir Francis Bacon
      *Sounds like Obama bin Laden and the 5th columners in Washington.

  • WTS/JAY

    OBAMACARE- It Won’t Cost You Hardly Anything…………

    I was in my neighborhood restaurant this morning and was seated behind a group of jubilant individuals celebrating the coming implementation of the health care bill. I could not finish my breakfast. This is what ensued:

    They were a diverse group of several races and both sexes. I heard a young man exclaim, “Isn’t Obama like Jesus Christ? I mean, after all, he is healing the sick.”

    A young woman enthusiastically proclaimed, “Yeah, and he does it for free. I cannot believe anyone would think that a free market wouldn’t work for health care.”

    Another said, “The stupid Republicans want us all to starve to death so they can inherit all of the power. Obama should be made a Saint for what he did for those of us less fortunate.”

    At this, I had more than enough. I arose from my seat, mustering all the restraint I could find, and approached their table. “Please excuse me; may I impose upon you for one moment?”

    They smiled and welcomed me to the conversation. I stood at the end of their table, smiled as best I could and began an experiment.

    “I would like to give one of you my house. It will cost you no money and I will pay all of the expenses and taxes for as long as you live there. Anyone interested?”

    They looked at each other in astonishment. “Why would you do something like that?” asked a young man, “There isn’t anything for free in this world.”

    They began to laugh at me, as they did not realize this man had just made my point.

    “I am serious, I will give you my house for free, no money whatsoever. Anyone interested?”

    In unison, a resounding “Yeah” fills the room.

    “Since there are too many of you, I will have to make a choice as to who receives this money-free bargain.”

    I noticed an elderly couple was paying attention to the spectacle unfolding before their eyes, the old man shaking his head in apparent disgust.

    “I tell you what; I will give it to the one of you most willing to obey my rules.”

    Again, they looked at one another, an expression of bewilderment on their faces.

    The perky young woman asked, “What are the rules?”

    I smiled and said, “I don’t know. I have not yet defined them. However, it is a free home that I offer you.”

    They giggled amongst themselves, the youngest of which said, “What an old coot. He must be crazy to give away his home. Go take your meds, old man.”

    I smiled and leaned into the table a bit further. “I am serious, this is a legitimate offer.”

    They gaped at me for a moment.

    “I’ll take it you old fool. Where are the keys?” boasted the youngest among them.

    “Then I presume you accept ALL of my terms then?” I asked.

    The elderly couple seemed amused and entertained as they watched from the privacy of their table. “Oh yeah! Where do I sign up?”

    I took a napkin and wrote, “I give this man my home, without the burden of financial obligation, so long as he accepts and abides by the terms that I shall set forth upon consummation of this transaction.”

    I signed it and handed it to the young man who eagerly scratched out his signature.

    “Where are the keys to my new house?” he asked in a mocking tone of voice.

    All eyes were upon us as I stepped back from the table, pulling the keys from pocket and dangling them before the excited new homeowner.

    “Now that we have entered into this binding contract, witnessed by all of your friends, I have decided upon the conditions you are obligated to adhere to from this point forward. You may only live in the house for one hour a day. You will not use anything inside of the home. You will obey me without question or resistance. I expect complete loyalty and admiration for this gift I bestow upon you. You will accept my commands and wishes with enthusiasm, no matter the nature. Your morals and principles shall be as mine. You will vote as I do, think as I do and do it with blind faith. These are my terms. Here are your keys.”

    I reached the keys forward and the young man looked at me dumbfounded.

    “Are you out of your mind? Who would ever agree to those ridiculous terms?” the young man appeared irritated.

    “You did when you signed this contract before reading it, understanding it and with the full knowledge that I would provide my conditions only after you committed to the agreement.”

    The elderly man chuckled as his wife tried to restrain him. I was looking at a now silenced and bewildered group of people.

    “You can shove that stupid deal up your a** old man. I want no part of it!” exclaimed the now infuriated young man.

    ‘You have committed to the contract, as witnessed by all of your friends. You cannot get out of the deal unless I agree to it. I do not intend to let you free now that I have you ensnared. I am the power you agreed to. I am the one you blindly and without thought chose to enslave yourself to. In short, I am your Master.”

    At this, the table of celebrating individuals became a unified group against the unfairness of the deal.

    After a few moments of unrepeatable comments and slurs, I revealed my true intent.

    “What I did to you is what this administration and congress did to you with the health care legislation. I easily suckered you in and then revealed the real cost of the bargain. Your folly was in the belief that you can have something you did not earn, and for that which you did not earn, you willingly allowed someone else to think for you. Your failure to research, study and inform yourself permitted reason to escape you. You have entered into a trap from which you cannot flee. Your only chance of freedom is if your new Master gives it to you. A freedom that is given can also be taken away. Therefore, it is not freedom at all.”

    With that, I tore up the napkin and placed it before the astonished young man. “This is the nature of your new health care legislation.”

    I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation — and was surprised by applause. -C Brewer

    http://cb75948.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/obamacare-it-wont-cost-you-hardly-anything/

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight and very well said. I can just imagine the look on their faces. This is what happens when people do not think, show no personal responsibility, and have no self reliance. Thank the Lord my kids are different. They have all of the described and more. Here is an article from the Washington Times about a case before the SCOTUS. It seems some idiot brought up a case about whether prayer violates the Constitution. Some real nut cases out there.
      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/small-town-big-impact-supreme-court-case-could-def/#ixzz2gkvE29gH
      I guess they continue to violate and misinterpret the Constitution. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “It is the duty of all to acknowledge that Divine Law which requires us to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves, on pain of eternal damnation, is Holy, just, and good. The revealed law of God is the rule of our duty.”
      Roger Sherman
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence
      Signer of the Constitution
      “Master Builder of the Constitution”
      Judge
      Framer of the Bill of Rights
      U.S. Senator
      Devout Christian

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Duck Commander founder spoke with Sports Spectrum about a few “editorial issues” such as “FAKE BEEPS” inserted where editors assumed there might be swearing. The editorial team also CUT OUT “in Jesus’ name” at the end of dad Phil’s prayers around the family dinner table.

    “The other thing was, when we prayed we said ‘in Jesus’ name, amen’…they would have me say ‘and thank-you Lord for the food, thank-you for loving us, amen,’ So I said ‘Why would you cut out in Jesus’ name?’ They said ‘Well, those editors are probably doing that and they just think, you know, you don’t want to offend some of the Muslims or something.’“

    Every Wednesday night millions of Americans (including me!) tune in to watch Duck Dynasty and laugh at the antics of the Robertson family. It’s one show on TV that viewers know without a doubt is funny AND clean enough for family viewing.

    Duck Dynasty makes us laugh and upholds the VALUES OF FAITH and FAMILY. The Robertson clan resonates with hunters, outdoorsmen, and grandmas and grandpas trying to influence their grandkids with the work ethic and gratitude to God.

    Phil Robertson does not apologize for his love of Jesus.

    P.S. Liberals just can’t live without FAKES: The first “witch” 72% FAKE Twitter followers; 19.5 MILLION (more than 50%) online funs of the Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal are FAKE; The KKK’s multitude scandals are PHONY/FAKE; The auto-biography of the Illegal pRESIDENT is FAKE ……………..

    UK’s Mail Online labeled Charlatan as a POLITICAL KING of the fake Twitter followers.

    The Kenyan FRAUD is “his majesty FAKE”.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    b. hussein loves his ObamaCare so much, so he should to enroll his family into the same insurance coverage which he is FORCING on the American People. There is a Petition “ObamaCare For Obamas”. Who is not afraid go and sign it:
    http://theblacksphere.net/obamacare-for-obama-petition/

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      No One from the Sebelius State Kansas signs up for Obamacare

      As you may remember HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius was and is a main organizer and cheerleader for the Obamacare.

      • Palin16

        A couple of weeks ago, I got a 300 page document in the mail from medicare. On page 3 was a picture of Sebelius and a quote from her “thanks to the Affordable care Act, blah blah blah…”
        That’s all i read before tossing the document in the trash.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Chelsea Clinton lamented earlier this year that her grandmother did not have access to the Planned Parenthood ABORTION BUSINESS. Now, blind to her own HYPOCRISY, the ABORTION ADVOCATE says she has named 2014,“THE YEAR OF THE BABY.” http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/02/abortion-activist-chelsea-clinton-calls-2014-year-of-the-baby/

    Isn’t touching?
    Doesn’t she look like Arafat?

  • William James Ward

    Obama-snare will cost me double my health care expenses
    and will climb higher continually. When I can no longer pay
    will the Government confiscate my home and send me to
    the pound, more than likely. With a President like Obama,
    America needs no enemies, Dr. Destruction has one and
    only one RX for us…………….euthanize……………….William

  • WTS/JAY

    Judge Napolitano: Why Taxation is Theft, Abortion is Murder, & Gov’t is Dangerous

  • WTS/JAY

    Reflections on the Loss of Liberty | Andrew P. Napolitano…

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Obamacare can be defunded without Senate approval

    When the House passed legislation to defund ObamaCare but would keep the government running through mid-December, the Senate, led by Senate Majority Leader, Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) stated that they would not budge on Obamacare and the legislation was defeated.

    On Monday, Dr. Harold Pease, an expert on the United States Constitution, stated that the authority in dealing with Obamacare funding belongs to the U.S. House, not the U.S. Senate and that the House is doing this all wrong.

    Pease said, “Everything hinged upon funding which was given EXCLUSIVELY to the House of Representatives, the only power that they alone had.”

    Pease went on to say, “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. To fund anything, in this case Obamacare, first approval is required by the House of Representatives.”

    “If that does not happen taxpayer money cannot be spent. The people, through their representatives to Congress, have determined, after a three-year closer scrutiny of The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), that it does not protect the patient, is not affordable and is not even workable; hence in the interests of the vast majority of the people needs to be defunded.” http://www.examiner.com/article/obamacare-can-be-defunded-without-senate-approval

    • smilee

      That is the biggest lie I have seen on here and that is saying a lot as there is a lot of it here.. Ask yourself this, the house has passed it 45 times and could not revoke the funding. Don’t be sucked in by this crap.
      You copied this

      “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

      Both houses have to pass It and the president has to sign it before it shall become law, that applies to each and every law so that is why the house has failed to revoke the funding as the senate refused to agree with them.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        My dear Liberal Friend,
        Between your Liberal “truth” and the Constitutionalist “lie” I am choosing the Constitutionalist “lie”.

        You failed this time, Smilee. But do not despair. Try again. Maybe next time you’ll succeed.

        Good luck, Smilee

        • smilee

          I guess you do believe that lie. If you were intelligent you would read the Constitution and then you would know it is a lie. It also has never been done, don’t you wonder why? I did not fail here you did, I really thought you ware smarter than this but i guess I was wrong on that.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            1) “I guess you do believe that lie.”

            Your guess is correct, Smilee. I believe Constitutional scholar.

            2) “If you were intelligent you would read the Constitution and then you would know it is a lie.”

            Smilee, It’s lovely to be unintelligent in the eyes of Leftists. And I read Constitution THREE times. I received my Constitution from the Heritage Foundation.

            Of cause I do not know it as the Constitutional scholars do; therefore I trust them – the scholars.

            3) “I did not fail here you did”

            Well, everyone is free to choose where to fail: here or there.

            4) “I really thought you ware smarter than this but i guess I was wrong on that.”

            Thank you, Smilee. I greatly appreciate your kind and truthful thoughts.

            It was nice to chat with you.

            Oh, I have to warn you. For talking with me you will receive an extra “downs”. So think about.

          • smilee

            1) “I guess you do believe that lie.”

            Your guess is correct,Smilee. I believe Constitutional scholar.

            CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR, THEREIN IS THE LIE, THIS IS PROPAGANDA AS HE IS NOT A SCHOLAR IF HE EVEN EXISTS WHICH I DOUBT

            .2) “If you were intelligent you would read the Constitution and then you would know it is a
            lie.”
            Smilee, It’s lovely to be unintelligent in the eyes of Leftists. And I read Constitution THREE times.
            I received my Constitution from the Heritage
            Foundation.

            I HAVE ONE OF THEIR COPIES TOO, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, THAT
            IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THREE TIMES AND YOU
            STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT? TRY A FOURTH
            AND FIFTH TIMES AND REVIEW THE HISTORY OF LAWMAKING SINCE THE BEGINNING YOU
            WILL NOT FIND ONE TIME IT HAS BEEN DONE THIS WAY, IT SIMPLY IS NOT THE CASE

            Of cause I do not know it as the Constitutional scholars do; therefore I trust them – the scholars.b

            THIS GUY IS NOT SCHOLAR HE IS A LIAR!

            3) “I did not fail here you did” Well, everyone is free
            to choose where to fail: here or there.

            4) “I really thought you ware smarter than this but i guess I was wrong on that.”

            Thank you, Smilee. I greatly appreciate your kind and truthful thoughts.

            MAYBE THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, NAIVE WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE AS THEY ARE FOOLING YOU, SORRY ABOUT THAT

            It was nice to chat with you.

            Oh, I have to warn you. For talking with me you will receive an extra “downs”. So think about.

            DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Smilee, I guess you did not shout at me by using capitals. You underlined/separate your comments. So let’s see:

            1) “CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR, THEREIN IS THE LIE, THIS IS PROPAGANDA AS HE IS NOT A SCHOLAR IF HE EVEN EXISTS WHICH I DOUBT”

            It’s totally incoherent statement. You just are throwing the liberal labels “LIE” & “PROPAGANDA” without exposing his “LIE” & “PROPAGANDA”.

            And without any effort to research you are laying your “doubt” that “HE EVEN EXISTS”

            I do not think that Examiner will mention a FAKE “Dr. Harold Pease, an expert on the United States Constitution”

            This is my research: Dr. Harold Pease is Political
            Science and History Professor at TAFT College, CA

            You can read his What Government Shutdown? Stop the hysteria! http://taftindependent.com/index115.htm

            And also HAROLD PEASE: Take down the bird feeder http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/tomball/opinion/harold-pease-take-down-the-bird-feeder/article_5dac25fc-ef55-11e2-8edd-0019bb2963f4.html

            “I am disturbed by a NEWS REPORT … shows one out of every three persons in the United States is fed by the other two. This means that in the grocery line before I get to the checkout I pick up the bill of either the person in front of me or the one behind.” – Dr. Harold Pease

            Prove he is LYING.

            2) TRY TO READ FOURTH AND FIFTH TIMES.

            It’s not enough simply to read. It’s need to be study along with History.

            3) THIS GUY IS NOT SCHOLAR HE IS A LIAR!

            Again, you are accusing “THIS GUY” without any effort to investigate “THIS GUY”

            4) DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN?

            Usually you are receiving “downs” from the ideological opposition.

            But any, who talks, replies my comments or gives me “Ups”, are receiving “Downs” from the PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC, who is harassing me because he just cannot accept my rejection and my ignoring of him.

            CONCLUSSION: You did not convince me, Smilee.

            Next time please come with the FACTS and not with the rants. I am sure you are intresred in the TRUTH as I am.

            “[Y]ou shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you FREE.” – Jesus Christ (John 8:32)

          • smilee

            I did do research before I called him a liar and that research was the Constitution itself and it says one
            thing and he says the contrary both cannot be true and I conclude what the Constitution actually is the truth as it is binding his words are not. Why this site tells this when it is a lie a cannot know for sure but sites that deliberately print false information are propaganda sites and as that is what his site is doing
            they then are involved in propaganda sites.
            Here is the actual part of the constitution that cover how laws are to be made and it is the only way the constitution says it can be done so anyone
            telling you different is lying, this so called scholar is telling you there is a different way so he is lying. Does this make it more clear for you?? See below.

            Section 7 – Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

            All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
            Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be
            sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the
            President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the
            United States; and before the Same shall take Effect,
            shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Smilee, WHY aren’t you in bed yet?
            Your pillow is calling you.
            Or you are working overtime (double payment)?
            Smilee, good night and have a SWEET dream.

          • smilee

            I’m retired and working for no one, I assume you meant bed and no I’m not as you are not there yet. You going answer my last post?? I am headed for bed now, sweet dreams to you to!!

          • Jack

            Smilee:

            If God himself appeared before Alondra, Samurai and most of the other righties who post on PLD and told them they were wrong, they would refuse to accept it

            They are ignorant (not necessarily stupid) people. They think they know everything and refuse to look at or consider anything that is contrary to their beliefs. You argue facts and the truth but they don’t deal in facts or the truth. They only deal with their emotions and their beliefs and they refuse to consider anything that under minds those things..

            Keep up your efforts to educate the uneducated.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Neeeeed to get off the kool aid for it is rotting your brain. You claim smelly tells facts, but then he gets spanked by people who post real facts, sources, and stand up for our Constitution and Christian founding? You are jus as lost as he is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • smilee

            LOL what people with real facts?? Certainly not you!! LIE LIE LIE, that is all you do!

          • Vigilant

            Very Christian-like, Pharisee.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Judge not, lest ye be judged. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고나라를위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • Jack

            samurai:

            The only place that smilee gets spanked are in empty places like your and your fellow righties heads.

            Smilee kept posting the exact wording of the Constitution and you and Alondra kept ignoring what the Constitution actually says and instead you guys kept spouting your rants that were factually wrong. Vigilant piled on by
            saying that smilee was no Constitutional scholar.

            I have read many of Vigilant’s posts where he discusses the Constitution. All I can say is that Vigilant is as good of a Constitutional scholar as you are a teacher. In short, not very good.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            God doesn’t do personal appearances now, so you already started with a prevarication.
            You put value to what comes out of the brain of Dems/Progs/Leftist experts and politicians and “visionaries” so without verifying you accept their rubbish.

          • Jack

            Nadzieja Batki:

            I only put value on the truth/facts where it is found. Even though you righties don’t value the truth/facts – you might try it sometime..

          • JeffH

            Unhappy Jack, seems you’re putting value on progressive immorality above truth/fact.

          • smilee

            Just because he obviously has not made one to you does not prove he does not to others!

          • smilee

            I totally agree and Thanks

          • Vigilant

            “You argue facts and the truth but they don’t deal in facts or the truth.”

            Pray tell, what parallel universe do you live in?

          • JeffH

            The same universe that smellie lives in …the universe of mass confusion.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            Yes I am proud to live in the same universe – FACT BASED REALITY that smilee, Dave and the few others who try to correct the lies that your fellow righties are constantly posting.

            Unlike you we base our beliefs on verified facts. We don’t blindly accept something as true just because some lefty says it, nor do we blindly reject something just because some rightie says it. We look into the facts and base our decision on what we find out. That decision may not be the same for each of us on every issue.

            Why don’t you try it sometime. Make decisions based upon the actual facts not on what you want the facts to be.

            I don’t care if you hate Obama or Obamacare. What I hate is the ignorance and outright LIES. If you want to hate something shouldn’t that hatred be based upon real things, facts – not the lies that are constantly posted on PLD, right wing sites or right wing media?

          • JeffH

            Jack, perhaps you’d like to point out where I posted anything that you claim to be “unverified” rather than your spouting the same old rhetoric and delusions as the rest of your pathetic and ignorant hate filled progressive cohorts.

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaakkkkkk!

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            I posted a reply last night and today when I came back to see if you had a response to it my post was gone. Since I didn’t call you names and I didn’t
            make any threats I don’t know why my post was disappeared.

            You said ” your spouting the same old rhetoric and delusions as the rest of your pathetic and ignorant hate filled progressive cohorts”. I guess you don’t read the stuff that your fellow righties post? When the hate
            displayed by my “progressive cohorts” is compared to that of your fellow righties you guys have us beat so badly that there is no contest.

            Moving on to your request about your posts, I don’t have ready access to your posts other that what is on this thread so I will point one out to you.- your posts in which you quote huntfortruth.org. You make several quotes from the site as being the truth. What other conclusion can a person come to than you believed what this site had to say.

            Whenever I read something I refuse to accept it as being the truth until I verify the information for myself. This applies whether the information is from a right wing or a left wing source.

            Before I get into things, I have been a hunter since I was 8 years old. I have hunted in several states and
            Canadian Provinces. I have hunted things from waterfowl, game birds, small game, varmints, deer, elk turkey, javelina, antelope, black bear, mountain lions, wolfs, moose, caribou and grizzly bear. I was also very active in wildlife issues on both a state and national level from 1981 through 2008 after which I have slacked off.

            I also need to state that I became a life member in the NRA in the late 1970’s or early 1980’s. I used to
            donate to their Institute for Legislative Action. I stopped donating in early 1990’s because the NRA kept not only endorsing candidates (they were always
            Republicans) in my state that had voted for anti-gun owner bills like the 1994 assault weapons ban and the firearms free school zones but it kept lying about
            what those politicians had done. The final straw was when the NRA not only endorsed a Republican candidate for governor but gave him an award at their
            annual convention. From Jan to April of that same year, I spend a number of days and hours at my state’s legislature fighting to kill a number of his
            “crime bills”. Among his bills was one that it would make it illegal for a minor to be in a vehicle in which there was a firearm; one that would make it a felony to allow any minor to pick up a in firearm or ammunition without the written permission of the child’s parents; one that would make it a felony to possess a weapon (firearms or knives) within 1,000 feet surrounding a
            school, a place where a school activity was taking place or around a bus or other means of transportation (moving or stopped) for students – many students used the city buses for transportation; and one that would make it a felony to have a firearm in a motor vehicle unless it was locked in the trunk or glove
            box – this was a big problem because most hunters in my state use a pickup truck to travel to where they will be hunting and pickups do not have trunks and glove boxes are too small to put a rifle or shotgun in. This Republican was did not own a firearm, was not a hunter, was not a sportsman. The Democratic candidate was a hunter in his younger years, his boys were all hunters, his business always supported sportsmen’s groups with money and merchandise to help them and he had a gun collection that any gun nut would die for. ,

            Now to your huntfortruth.org posts. I read your posts and went to the huntfortruth.org website to see what information was there. I read a number of things on the site because I didn’t know anything about AB711, the proposed ban to prohibit the use of lead ammunition for hunting, so I wanted to find out what was going on.

            The first thing that I noticed was that the huntfortruth site was very much a professionally done website and not an inexpensive site put up by someone or a group that didn’t have money behind them. It was obvious that someone with big bucks was behind this website.

            The next thing I noticed was that the site did not ask for donations, financial assistance or for people to join.
            From these two things I began to think that the website could be a front for a group that had a financial interest in the lead ammunition issue. If that was the case, it would cause me to be skeptical of anything that was said on the site.

            I read a lot of the information on the site, I noticed that it listed a number of scientific papers and noticed that a large portion had to do with domestic livestock and not wildlife and a lot of the wildlife related studies really
            didn’t deal with lead poisoning from ammunition. This made me wonder even more who was behind this website because it was beginning to look like the site
            might not be presenting an accurate picture of what was going on.

            I went to the section on waterfowl and read that section and that was a pants on fire section. I dealt with the lead ban for waterfowl issue back in the late
            1980’s. All of the professional wildlife people I worked with, most of whom were fellow hunters, supported banning lead ammunition for waterfowl hunting
            because so many ducks were dying from lead poisoning. This section was very misleading which made me began to wonder if this was a tobacco company like disinformation campaign. It should be noted that the NRA opposed and fought against the ban on lead ammunition for waterfowl hunting..

            I continued searching the site trying to find out who was behind it. Finally I looked at the pages under the Support section and found that the huntfortruth was created by the NRA. The website said that the NRA and the California Rifle and Pistol Association hired a law firm and scientists, experts, and consultants to defend lead ammunition and the traditional hunting heritage.

            Strangely, the site went on to talk about how these experts had been working on this issue since 2003. This seemed strange to me because there was no further issue about banning lead ammunition until 2007 when its effect on California’s condors came to the forefront.

            The site talked about a Dr Don Saba (he’s a NRA Board of Directors Member) giving testimony that was a game changer – proving the science was wrong about lead poisoning. I listened to a clip of his testimony and checked a couple of the papers the
            article mentioned. I found the claim about one paper to incorrect and the testimony wasn’t a game changer.

            It would take many hours of detailed research for anyone to be able to honestly say who is telling the
            truth about this lead poisoning issue. I know you didn’t spend hours checking this issue out and I’m pretty sure you spent far less time than I did in reading and checking things out

            By my standards I would never promote what this website is saying as being the truth. You on the other did accept the information as being fact because
            you repeated it as being fact.

            Admit it, you did nothing to actually verify the information on the huntfortruth.org website
            before you quoted it in your posts.

            J

          • JeffH

            Unhappy Jack, you’ve accused me of lying and being a hater…and you’ve not been able to prove either one with anything more than conjecture. That’s typical of you ignorant progressive types.

            Put up or shut up!

            You say “I know you didn’t spend hours checking this issue out and I’m pretty sure you spent far less time than I did in reading and checking things out .”

            Pure conjecture on your part and a stupid statement because you know nothing of the sort. Your opinion does not equate to facts!

            Au contraire Unhappy Jack. I’m a 64 year native Californian and a hunter and gun owner for 52+ years so issues like AB711are near and dear to my heart and I’ve spent hours and hours researching the truth vs the fiction and spend quite a bit of time sending letters and emails to Gov. Brown and my representatives.

            Yes, I quoted and cited Huntfortruth because they do provide the facts regarding AB 711 and the attempts by the “envirowackos” to ban lead ammo all together and whether the NRA and the CRPA are affiliates to the website or not makes no difference to me, although I am a member and have great trust in both organizations to represent the issue with honesty and integrity…something I cannot say about those behind the push to ban lead ammo.

            huntfortruth.org is a clearing house on the lead ammunition debate and a pro bono website created by Michel & Assoc.

            FYI, by the way, MICHEL & ASSOCIATES, P.C. is a mid-sized law firm specializing in handling adversarial proceedings and civil and criminal litigation. The firm employs 15 attorneys in Long Beach, California. Michel & Associates, P.C. has earned the highest available rating for legal service providers, an AV rating from renowned legal services evaluator, Martindale-Hubbell.
            http://www.michellawyers.com

            Chuck Michel has been litigating civil and criminal firearm cases since 1991. His clients include the National Rifle Association of America, the California Rifle and Pistol Association, FFLGuard, gun manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers, and individual gun owners. He has represented thousands of individuals and companies charged with violating California’s confusing firearms laws. Since 2002, Mr. Michel and Michel & Associates have donated over 1.5 million dollars worth of pro bono free legal work to the NRA and the CRPA Foundation.

            Without all of them there would be no guns, sport shooting or hunting in California at all.

            They’ve provided all of the evidence and information as to why lead ammunition poses no threat to the wildlife of California. They have also exposed the actual agenda of the pro-lead ammo ban being pushed by the Humane Society. That AB 711 is being pushed most heavily by the Humane Society of the United States, the conflict comes into clearer focus, as that group is led by a man who has expressly and unapologetically stated that his goal is to eliminate hunting.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            You seem to have a disconnect. You accused me and people you refer to as progressives. I merely pointed out the hatred displayed by your fellow righties posting on PLD.

            As far as establishing your hatred. my gosh man, read your out posts they are filed with it.

            You talk a lot about Mr. Michel and his law firm. What has that got to do with anything? The “about us” section of the huntfortruth says nothing about Michel or his firm creating huntfortruth.org. What is said about the origins is that the NRA and CRPA engaged the firm and other “experts” in 2007 and then huntfortruth.org was started in 2011. Engaged does not mean pro bono it means hired – i.e. paying for it.

            Its nice that you are a member of the NRA and trust it. That does not alter the fact that the NRA does not always tell the truth. That also does not alter the fact that the NRA gets a good chunk of change from firearms and ammunition industries which just might sway NRA’s position on an issue.

            I told you a lot about what I did to check out huntfortruth and its claims.all you come back with is your unsupported statement that you spent hours researching the truth and you trust them Why didn’t you tell us what some of these hours entailed? What studies and/or scientific papers.you read, etc.? Could it be that you only read what huntfortruth told you proved their case?

            If you had done the research on lead ammunition poisoning you claim you would not be repeating a patently false statement “They’ve provided all of the evidence and information as to why lead ammunition poses no threat to the wildlife of California”. The last I heard, waterfowl were considered to be wildlife and there was a lot of them living in California There is no question that lead ammunition killed so many ducks that its use had to be banded in all fifty states. The statement is therefore a lie.

            If you and huntfortruth had said that lead ammunition poses no threat to California’s non waterfowl wildlife that might be an arguable claim.. As for me I would need a lot more information before I could say I believed that the claim was true or that it was false.

            I dealt with these kind of things many, many times over the past 30 years. If I was a betting man I would put my money on the only research you did was to listen and read the information coming from the huntfortruth side of the lead ammunition issue and that you never did anything to verify whether that information was true or not. I would also bet that you did not independently check out the validity of the claims made by the supporters of the ban.

            Despite our political differences and your name calling I hope you are still able to get out and enjoy hunting and the great outdoors. I still love it but don’t get to do nearly as much of it as I would like. Most of it now days is taking my grand kids and my niece’s boy.

          • JeffH

            You’re a delusional moron Unhappy Jack…just admit it and quit embarrassing yourself.
            I have better things to do than to keep arguing with a sack of hammers.

          • Jack

            JeffH:

            I see truth has tied your tongue again.

            You really need to get a handle on your emotions. Its not good for your health.

          • smilee

            It is 100% unverified is that pointed out clear enough for you

          • JeffH

            POLLY WANT ANOTHER CRACKER? baaarrraaakkkkkkkk!

            Like anyone would believe a word out of your foul mouth in the first place…that’s how clear it is.
            smilee, you have no credibility around here.

          • smilee

            You can never refute the merits of what I say so you become frustrated and attack the person, Shows you have no knowledge, character and are prone to lying to to compensate for your inadequacies.

          • JeffH

            Hello desperate Pot! Mirror, mirror…LMAO!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I don’t think you need to drink any more kool aid, for you seem to be pretty drunk on it now. If you think the PLD is full of lies, then go somewhere else. I’ll even open the door for you on your way out. Dave, smelly, etc., posting facts? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Is this why they are always getting smacked down, no thumbs up, and resport to attacking people when they are caught telling lies? You must be a good troll. Here is an article about Harry “Woody Allen” Reid.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/harry-reid-d-ritz-carleton-washington-dc-demented-moron/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “To the free and universal reading of the Bible … men are much indebted for right views of civil liberty.”
            Daniel Webster

          • smilee

            Ignore the merits of his post and attack his character, typical sammie.

          • smilee

            WOW!! Straight talk on here, how refreshing

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Too bad he doesn’t live in reality. Both you and Jack ought to be very chummy with eath other. The facts are that no one wants Obama bin Laden Care and we do not need it. Only a lazy person would want it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            You wish that was true but it is not, this is a fight you and your cronie friends have lost so grow up and get over it!! Your lies will become known in time to all.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Actually, I go by the Constitution and our God-given rights written in it, but Obama bin Laden has made it possible for his cronies to make big money through Obama bin Laden Care. Here is an article telling what America must do.

            http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-message-to-america/

            Looks like you lose again, traitor. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

            “A godly life is the strongest argument you can offer the skeptic.”

            Hosea Ballou

          • smilee

            You do not even know what either means, I’ve cut and pasted parts of the Constitution in posts to you and you turn right around and re-interpret it to fit your bias and that is why you are such liar and a loser.

          • Jack

            Vigilant:

            I live in the world of fact and reality.

            You and your fellow righties live in a world of make believe (fantasy) where facts are ignored if they contradict your preconceived notions, where anything that comes from a right wing source is unquestionably accepted as the truth, and where lies are readily made up and unthinkingly spread by the masses of fellow right wing lemmings. .

          • Vigilant

            That’s a broad brush stroke without saying anything specific.

            I for one will take you on with facts, figures, source document references, clear logic and proper English expression. So will most other posters here.

            The perennial problem has been to get any progressive to listen to facts, figures, source document references, or clear logic. In defending smilee, you have chosen the absolute worst of the worst.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. If you think he is that intelligent, a person with no credibility, then I have some nice swampland to sell you. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/case-impeaching-barack-obama-part-2/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/microscope-obama-birth-certificate/
            It seems your pretender in Washington could be leaving soon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Respect your country always. Respect your government, when they earn it.”
            Samuel Clemons

          • Bob666

            “WHY aren’t you in bad”?

            Pokenager, WHY aren’t you in good?

          • Vigilant

            “I did do research before I called him a liar and that research was the Constitution itself and it says one
            thing and he says the contrary…”

            Smilee fancies himself a Constitutional scholar. He has no credentials, can’t even write a paragraph without multiple errors of English, but unilaterally decides he can just read that document and magically divine what scholars can’t. Scholars who are legal experts, know the history and context of the Constitution.

            He is famous on this site for maintaining that the original Constitution did not condone slavery. That alone is evidence of his stupidity.

          • smilee

            I guess my post is just to deep for you to understand, you also ignore the history since day 1 that no law has been made without both houses in agreement, your attempt to spin it away from the subject with nonsensical and irrelevant BS because of your ignorance.

          • Vigilant

            LOL!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. You are correct as smelly is a liar and a good one also. It is good that you are able to see through his crap and cling to the truth. Here are a few articles about Obama bin Laden and Obama bin Laden Care.
          http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/10/04/national-journal-independents-blaming-dividing-obama-more-than-gop-n1717055?utm_source=thedailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm
          http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/09/10/guess-who-was-right-about-obamacare-death-panels-n1696302
          http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2013/10/04/the-sadistic-strategy-of-obama–reid-n1716429/page/full
          http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2013/10/04/obama-showing-his-vindictive-streak-n1716424/page/full
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “”I call on the State of Massachusetts to pray that all nations may know and be obedient to that grace and truth which came by Jesus Christ.”
          Caleb Strong
          Delegate to the Constitutional Convention
          Framer of the Constitution
          Ratifier of the Constitution
          U.S. Senator
          Governor of Massachusetts
          Devout Christians

          • smilee

            Read it and weep dumb azzz.

            Section 7 – Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

            All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
            Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be
            sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the
            President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the
            United States; and before the Same shall take Effect,
            shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The personal attack. Classic 5th column strategy. When you are losing or have no facts, go on the personal attack in an attemp of misdirection. You have failed, just like you have done in everything else in your life. A failure. Why did you repeat yourself? If we didn’t believe you before, we sure won’t do it a second time. The only good thing you did on this post, like the one before, was cut and paste from the Constitution. Sheesh! What a joke! Here is an article about the White House breaking the rules, but are they getting away with it?
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/wh-breaking-rules-getting-away/
            Here is one about you and your traitorous ilk.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/religious-discrimination-unbalanced-scale-tolerance-america/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “All efforts of the abolitionists are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people.”
            James Buchanan (D)
            1856 Democratic Platform
            15th President of the U.S.
            *Just another fine example of how libturds and progturds believe in keeping minoities down.

          • smilee

            The facts are in my post so it is you who cannot read and comprehend, you are the failure and in denial. I did cut and paste from the Constitution so you could not say that it was my opinion when in fact it was the Constitution’s you are now saying it does not say what it actually says showing again how ignorant you really are.. Your the king of insults on this site so do not complain when you get some of the same treatment you daily throw out along with all stupid and irrelevant rhetoric.which you have become so known for.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            *BTW, I have a copy of the Constitution, do you?

        • smilee

          I did not fail I’m right and I guarantee you the house will never succeed in revoking the funding or the law and that will prove me right and thus I did not fail.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Well, we’ll talk later, after life proves you ‘right”.
            Go to sleep, Smilee. I am watching documentary and you are Disrupting me. Tomorrow I’ll pass you link.
            Good night dear Liberal.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            People, smilee is believing himself to be a prophet. He believes he is getting the words straight out of the mouth of god O.

          • smilee

            You do not have to be a prophet to figure out something so simple

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Dum, Dum, she’s talking about “funding” Obamacare. If the funding bill is not passed, Obamacare cannot be funded. It doesn’t matter which of the 3 (House, Senate, or President) stops the funding process.

        • smilee

          I knew you never really paid attention, Both houses of Congress have already passed the funding, and the president has signed it, the funding was provided for in the original bill. What she is talking about is passing a law that revokes that funding. Have not you seen that the implementation of it is going on as I write this, that would not be happening with the with shutdown if it had not already been funded. Most of the government is funded and operating. You really surprise me on this one..

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sorry dude, but the bill in the House not only defunded it, but goes for repealling it. I’m really surprized that youe less intelligent mind doesn’t know this. But alas! We know you are only here to spread your hate for anything dealing with out Constitution, Christian founding fathers, Christianity, conservativism, etc. You are a joke and need to go home before your mom notices that you are gone. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden, Obama bin Laden Care, and your insane ilk.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/case-impeaching-barack-hussein-obama/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/government-shutdowns-debt-ceilings-obamacare-political-football-season-washington-means/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/levin-obama-well-march-washington-lay-one-hand-wwii-vets/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/fox-friends-obama-sent-security-wwii-memorial-benghazi/
            Looks like the people want a real change in Washington. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “I verily believe that Christianity is necessary to support a civil society and shall ever attend to its institutions and acknowledge its precepts and the pure and natural sources of private and social happiness.”
            Joseph Story

          • smilee

            I never said the bill in the house did not say that what I said was they failed in making it a law. and they tried 45 times and failed 45 times. That’s a lot of failing and they still refuse to admit they are failures.The rest of your post is not words a good christian would utter, I doubt God approves of your big foul mouth.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Speaking of mouths, ever think about putting yours in check? And what would you know about God and Jesus, since you are not a Christian? Here are some more articles about Obama bin Laden Care.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/billoreilly/2013/10/05/trusting-the-folks-n1716406/page/full
            http://www.cowboybyte.com/25050/obamacare-poster-boy-hasnt-actually-enrolled-obamacare/
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/04/Obama-website-called-repairs
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.. This leaves you out traitor.
            “True religion is the foundation of society. When that is once shaken by comtempt the whole fabric cannot be stable or lasting.”
            Edmond Burke

          • smilee

            I am a Christian so again you lie, 90% of what you say is lies. That is anti christian behavior, careful about throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

          • Vigilant

            This from the little boy who said, “Read it and weep dumb azzz.”

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I suggest you remember, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” You are a Christian? A person who posts profanities on this site? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • Vigilant

            “The rest of your post is not words a good christian [sic] would utter, I doubt God approves of your big foul mouth.”

            This from the little boy who said, “Read it and weep dumb azzz.”

            Tut, tut, sonny, what was that about casting stones?

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        It seems that you do not understand that the House, not the Senate or the White House, holds the purse strings. If you think we are lying, then be a man and post sources. All words and no sources makes you a liar or a Joseph Goebbels. I’m betting on both. Just shut up and go home. How many spankings does it take before you be a man, admit defeat, and go home to take your psych drugs? Here is some good news about us Tea Party members.
        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12750/tea-party-terrifying-financial-elite-glorious-thing/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
        “One of the beautiful boasts of municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations.”
        Joseph Story
        U.S. Congressman
        “Father of American Jurisprudence”
        SCOTUS Justice appointed by President James Madison
        Devout Christian

        • smilee

          Here are the sources right from the horses mouth, The Constitution It is awful hard to believe you being a teacher could be so ignorant as you. Glad my children never had you. Your a liar Read it weep you big azzed liar There is good news ever about the tea party.

          Section 7 – Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

          All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
          Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be
          sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the
          President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the
          United States; and before the Same shall take Effect,
          shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I wasn’t talking about where a bill starts, goes, ot what the president can do. Sheesh! I guess you have lost your reading comprhension skills. I said that the Congress, not the President or the Senate, hold the purse strings. This means they allocate funds for what needs to be spent on, everyone knows that. It seems your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Now be a good little boy and go home. Its time for your meds. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden Care.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mitchmcconnell/2013/10/06/americans-dont-want-a-shutdown-and-they-dont-want-obamacare-n1717488/page/full
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • smilee

            You sure showed your ignorance here, the house starts appropriation bills but does not control the purse strings and can not have its way with the purse stings if the senate and president do not agree, Been that way since day 1 as that is the only way the Constitution allows. Your saying that is not true so you told another bold faced lie.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            If this is true, then how do you explain your many thumbs down and my many thums up? Like I said, the bill may have to be passed first, but the Congress controls the purse strings. Enough said. Looks like you are not that knowledgeable after all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            The thumbs up on this site indicates the idiots on here,

            Congress does yes, but you said the house alone did. First time I have ever seen you withdraw a lie, your guilt drive you to do that??

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            There is the Congress and the Senate, smelly. Now do you understand what I am saying or do I have to go into full detail to make your dense libturd mind understand? MOF, here is an article that proves Sarah Palin was correct about death panels in Obama bin Laden Care.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamacare-death-panels-illegally-withholding-treatment/
            Sarah Palin is correct and smelly is wrong. Tisk, tisk, tisk. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “The Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.”
            Daniel Webster
            U.S. Senator
            Secretary of State
            “Defender of the Constitution”
            Devout Christian

          • smilee

            Your loosing it, the congress is both the senate and the house of representatives. You really do not .know that??? The death panels are a lie when she first said that and still is. It is unbelievable you believe that. garbage. Propaganda sites sure keep you stupid.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies! Care to cite a source, no left wing wacko sites, to back up what you are saying? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            *How does it feel to be spanked for lying?

          • smilee

            Death panels, You cannot give a source for something that never existed.except in Palin’s empty head. The Constitution defines the function of the congress. Shows how ignorant you are of that document as you had to ask..

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies!
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/popular-fact-checker-misleads-public-on-obamacare/
            http://www.thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/316045-obamacare-cost-cutting-board-faces-growing-opposition-from-democrats
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2013/08/29/does-the-president-want-obamacare-death-panels-for-higher-education/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamacare-death-panels-illegally-withholding-treatment/
            These are just some, but it seems you have been caught in a lie once again. Don’t you ever get tired of having egg on your face, hmmm?
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai

          • smilee

            Your brains are really fried aren’t they?? Drugs over the years I’ll bet!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. When you have been whompped by the better person, by having no facts, always go on the personal attack. Sure sign of the less intelligent mind. You can’t bully me, coward behind a computer screen. Here is some good news from the Washington front.
            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/articles/susan-jones/boehner-we-are-not-going-pass-clean-debt-limit-increase
            Looks like your ilk is losing the battle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “Better to fight for something than to die for nothing.”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.

          • smilee

            LOL your imagination is in high gear and working overtime, Your a big azzed loser,, sammie,. the propaganda kid.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Once again, the loser and argument to ridicule. You wish you were telling the truth but you are not. Here is the proof of your lies.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12795/obama-negotiated-big-business-gop-obamacare/
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12803/slavery-law-just-accepted/
            Looks like you have been caught in a lie. I dare you to post something to try to discredit me. BTW, speaking of credibility, you have none. Like anything else in the world, it must be earned to be given. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.”
            James 1:4

          • smilee

            Sammie the propaganda kid spouting all lies and bs, that is why you are the real loser

          • Robert Messmer

            Actually it really is the House. All they have to do to prevent funding is not allow it to come to the floor for a vote. Just like Harry Reid in the Senate will not allow a vote on the CRs since he doesn’t consider them to be “clean”, ie a complete surrender to him and Obama.

          • smilee

            What is your point I never argued saying different. Obamacare has already been funded and is a law the GOP wants to pass a law revoking the funding but the Senate will not pass it so the GOP is SOL.

          • Robert Messmer

            You miss the point, no where does it say that either the Senate or the President can order the House to pass funding that it refused to pass. Nor by Constitution can the Senate or the President simply ignore the House and declare that the funding is present. So yes, the House and only the House controls the purse strings.

          • smilee

            I never said any of that, cannot you read. I said both houses need to pass the same bill and the president has to sign it before it be.comes law, That is what the Constitution says see article 1 section seven and educate yourself as you are now ignorant

          • Robert Messmer

            No, you are the one who claimed, falsely, that the House does not control the purse strings. We understand that both houses have to pass, and most of the time President has to sign for a bill to become law. What you don’t understand is that no one BUT the House can initiate a bill raising revenue. I would suggest you seek some education but you seem to be beyond help.

          • smilee

            WOW, I have never said that appropriation bills did not have to originate in the house, as they do, so quit putting words in my mouth that differ from what I said. How did you come up with that stupid conclusion???????

          • Robert Messmer

            I didn’t say that you said that appropriation bills did not have to originate in the house so do not understand your accusation that I put words in your mouth. What I said was, “No, you are the one who claimed, falsely, that the House does not control the purse strings”. Which you did say right here,”the house starts appropriation bills but does not control the purse strings,”. You government stooges really are poorly trained.

          • smilee

            HERE IS YOUR QUOTE, this is what you said.

            What you don’t understand is that no one BUT the House can initiate a bill raising revenue..

            I HAVE NEVER LED ANY ONE TO BELIEVE THIS SO YOU SEE YOU ARE LYING AND THIS !!PROVES IT

            The house has no more control over the purse strings than the senate other than they have to originate these bills after that it is fair game to both houses, this is what I have said all along, sure they can refuse to originate a bill but then nothing would get paid and if they do originate one that will not pass then they are up chitt creek as they are now.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies! The House controls the purse strings. Neeeeed to go back and study more. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            *How do you like being spanked for your lies?

          • smilee

            For a teacher you sure are ignorant and without knowledge. That is not what the Constitution says, but then you do not believe in it anyway.

          • Robert Messmer

            Spin, little troll, spin.

          • smilee

            The truth caught up with you didn’t it or you would have said something intelligent.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Manifestation of the Kenyan Fraud’s love for American People:
    “We’ll make life as difficult for people as we can. And YES, WE CAN !!!”

    An angry Park Service ranger indicated to Washington Times columnist Wesley Pruden that there is a political motive behind the closure of the open-air memorials.

    “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can,” he said. “It’s disgusting.” http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/disgusting-ranger-reveals-shutdown-orders/

    • Mole Johnson

      Whoever woulda thunk it?

  • Palin16

    Former lobbyist sentenced to 24 months for illegal campaign contributions to Harry Reid. Maybe he can share a cell with OJ.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/former-lobbyist-sentenced-24-months-illegal-campaign-contributions-reid

    • WTS/JAY

      Only one lobbyist? His contributions must not have met Reid’s standards…?

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      That’s it? 2 years? Sheesh! The lady in Ohio that voted multiple times for Obama bin Laden got 5 years. The person that did this must be a union man. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden Care and an article about the shutdown, un which the 2nd one deals with our Christian founding fathers also.
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/04/meet-the-guy-who-got-his-obamacare-on-day-one/
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/04/blame-james-madison-for-the-government-shutdown/
      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Shin all giddy, loose, and wicked company; they will corrupt and lead you into vice and bring you to ruin. Seek the company of sober, virtuous and good people which will lead you to solid happiness.”
      Thomas Stone
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence
      Selected as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention
      Devout Christian

      • smilee

        The propaganda kid is again spreading his propaganda!!

        • Palin16

          The dumbocrats are the kings of propaganda, all based on Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and Karl Marx’s “Das Kapital”.

          • smilee

            LOL! sammie has a side kick welcome aboard Tonto

          • Bob666

            Yo P16

            I have sat back and read many of your comments and this is one of the most interesting that you have made. Are you suggestion that everyone other than the ” dumbocrats” are completely clear and pure?

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Secrecy around the Kenyan Fraud’s personal history.
    barry’s Hidden Past http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opCfsJjPq_k

    • Bob666

      Another Youtube Post, Proof beyond a shadow of doubt.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If you think this Post on youtube is bad then it really must be a dilly. So obviously you went and looked at it and made your determination that it was bad otherwise you are simply lying.

        • Bob666

          Good morning Little Ray of Sunshine,

          Porkfest references youtube more than any other source. Most of what I have seen that she post tends to be extreme opinion verses fact.

          Let’s look at this little Gem on You-Tube, produced by William Alfred “Bill” Whittle,

          William Alfred “Bill” Whittle is an American conservative blogger, political commentator, director, screenwriter, editor, pilot, and author.

          He is an ultra conservative who uses You-Tube extensively to spread his opinion, seldom based on actual fact and that is why he is popular with the propaganda queen.

          Any other questions?

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. I know it is, for Breitbart, his gay lovers, and a missing birth certificate are just the tip of the iceberg. He has even attended meeting of the Bilderbergs with Hitlery Clinton. It seems that more and more people are waking up to the Indonesian citizen in the White House. We, Sook Young and I just found out that Obama bin Laden Care will tax you more if you are married. It will go up every 10 year age group (40+, 50+, 60+, etc.). Here is an article showing that many house democrats are coming to the GOP about the shutdown. They will fund the government, just not Obama bin Laden Care.
      http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/growing-number-of-democrats-voting-house-gop-fund-non-obamacare-parts
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
      Ronald Reagan
      40th President of the U.S.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Please check the link. I got this: The requested page could not be found.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Darn it! It was working when I posted it. Oh well, try, try again! Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden.
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-opens-muslim-museum/
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/team-arpaio-congressman-board-will-obama-id-fraud-action/
          Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “I now make it my earnest prayer that God would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of the mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion.”
          George Washington

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Ah, yes. I see that there are a few libturd/progturd logs roasting on the fire today. As you all know, our country was based on the Christian principle of freedom of religion. But it seems that the air force is forgetting that, by supporting gays, along with other groups, they are starting to persecute Christians within their ranks. So much for the Constitution under Obama bin Laden.
    http://www.eaglerising.com/2046/airforce-continues-attack-christians/
    Here is an article about Obama bin Laden trying to Islamify the U.S.
    http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/obama-trying-islamacize-america/
    So much for freedom of religion in this country. I guess that the enemies of God are uniting against us. They will lose in the end, along with feeling some unquenchable heat. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”
    Goerge Washington

    • smilee

      The gays are supported by the Constitution, a document you claim to support and then you turn right around and ignore those parts you do not like which is most of it.

  • Palin16

    Has Barack Hussein Obama completely lost his mind?? Now he says he supports changing the name of the Washington Redskins…to something “less offensive”. Decades of tradition mean nothing to this most-unamerican president of all time!

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      I did not know he had mind.
      How he can to lose something if he never had it?

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          It’s too late, my Friend. What are you doing here? You can’t find your bed?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Just waiting for the caffene to wear off. I should be in bed shortly. Thanks for asking. Had to drink some coffee due to smelly coming to the site. Old habits, coffee, are hard to break. Sleep tight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. I guess that it is because Obama bin Laden has hiw pink panties in knots over some name. Sheesh! He needs to get back to abollishing Obama bin Laden Care. Speaking of libturds/progturds, here is an article showing a city in Florida is telling people to take down signs in people’s yards that say GOD BLESS AMERICA! Why? This violates our God-given rights of freedom of speech and religion.
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/05/florida-city-orders-residents-to-remove-god-bless-america-signs/
      Next thing you know, they’ll be telling us not to recite the Pledge of Allegeance or the Star Spangled Banner, which both mention God’s name. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves Obama bin Laden out.
      “The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger. The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier, defending the dearest rights and liberties of this country.”
      George Washington

      • smilee

        You rant on like a little kid with a speech impediment!!

    • Palin16

      Maybe Obummer should change his middle name of Hussein to something less offensive.