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Food Storage 101: Where Do I Begin?

October 25, 2010 by  

Food Storage 101: Where Do I Begin?

In my last article, Prepare Your Own Personal Home Grocery Store And Pharmacy, I introduced you to the need to store food.

Now we’re going to begin with step one in the six-step process to help you make sure you have an adequate supply of food should a crisis occur.

First Priority
Select and clean out a room to make space for your grocery store and pharmacy. It should be the coolest place (temperature wise) in the house: Usually in a basement, but preferably away from a furnace room or other heat source. If you can seal the room off so the heater vents don’t heat the room, it will stay cooler. Other good locations are root cellars or insulated and heated garages where the temperature stays constant between 40-60 degrees Fahrenheit. But remember, the room you choose should stay dry at all times.

Closets, under stairways, spare bedrooms, an unfinished part of the house, crawl space or under beds will work as well. North walls are cooler because they are away from the sun exposure.

If your room has dirt floors or cement, use wooden pallets to elevate the food up off the floor. The containers should never come in contact with the ground. The cans will rust and moisture can get into the buckets.

Bricks with wood across them will work to elevate the food up off the floor. Shelves should be designed so that a simple rotation system can effectively allow the oldest food to be used first and the newest food to be held within the shelf life period. The air must be able to circulate around the food to keep it dry. Keep the powdered milk, dairy products and oils closer to the floor level to keep them cooler.

We included some pictures of food storage rooms in my last article that I feel are well planned out and organized. These should give you some help on shelving ideas.

To insure proper rotation, always date the cans and put the newest cans to the back and use the oldest dated cans first. If you elevate the bottom shelf you can store camping equipment, coolers, propane stoves, sleeping blankets, etc., under them.

The shelving units pictured have a piece of wood across the front. This keeps the bottles from falling out and breaking. You can custom design your home grocery store and pharmacy to exactly what you need for your family.

Shelves can be built to accommodate No. 10 gallon-sized cans and still have plenty of space for 5-gallon buckets of beans, wheat, rice or pasta on the floor. The floor is a good place for coolers, Dutch ovens, propane stoves and camping equipment. A helpful hint is to keep all like equipment together so you can find it. If you can’t find it, you haven’t got it. This includes canning equipment, tools for the garden, garden seeds, camping and recreational equipment, medical supplies, batteries, flashlights, candles and all other emergency supplies. Remember, organization is the key.

Storage of wheat and other grains and beans is all right in the garage because the freezing temperatures will kill bug infestation. The garage should be vented to let out the heat in the summer. All non-grain or bean items should be kept inside a room that stays between 40-60 degrees F.

Do not store food in an attic because it will get too hot and the food could perish quickly. If the washer and dryer are located in your food storage room they must be ventilated properly to prevent moisture on the food. Freezers, refrigerators, furnaces and water heaters should not be located in your storage room because they all give off heat, increasing the temperature.

Seal all cracks and crevices where mice or insects might get in. Keep mouse or rat poison hidden in the room. Mice will ruin any unsealed buckets or cardboard containers. I have personally thrown away a lot of food because the mice have gotten into it, especially the wrapped items like yeast and Meals Ready-to-Eat (MREs) or military meals.

The mice can eat right through the Mylar® foil. Keep all of these items in buckets with good sealing lids.

I have also had moth infestation. The little worm larvae eat right through the Mylar® also.

Heavy plastic containers, jars or metal cans with tight-fitting lids will keep mice and insects out. Also stick a bay leaf in with grains, flour, beans, legumes and similar items to keep them from getting bug infested.

Do not leave any food items that have not been sealed properly on the shelves for any length of time. The most common insects are ants, roaches, earwigs, moths, silverfish and flour infestation insects such as beetles or weevils.

If you spill any food, clean it up immediately. If your room becomes bug-infested, clean out all infested food items. Throw them away. Clean all shelves with an insecticide such as Malathion or Diazinon; and spray all cracks and crevices. Do not spray it directly on food or equipment.

Never store chemicals in the same room as the food.

Organize the equipment that you have on hand and decide what equipment you need to purchase, according to the chart in my book, Food Storage 101: Where Do I Begin?, and the needs of your family.

Some of this equipment could include a Dutch oven, propane cook stove, electric grain mill, hand grain mill, juicer, canning equipment, vacuum sealer and a pressure cooker.

Other things to remember: Gather a 3-month supply of any prescription medications you can’t do without, plus any over-the-counter medications you use regularly; store one gallon of water per person per day (minimum three month’s supply); and if you plan to garden, gather any seeds you will need. Some good choices are sweet corn, garden peas, summer squash, banana squash, cucumbers, beets, carrots, cabbage, celery, onions, potatoes, tomatoes and spinach.

And a good book on how to cook with what you’ve stored can also come in handy. I have several available on my website, www.peggylayton.com.

Peggy Layton

a home economist and licensed nutritionist, holds a B.S. in Home Economics Education with a minor in Food Science and Nutrition from Brigham Young University. Peggy lives in Manti, Utah with her husband Scott. Together they have raised seven children. Peggy owns and operates two businesses: One called "The Therapy Center", where she is a licensed massage therapist and hypnotherapist, and the other an online cookbook and preparedness products business. She is nationally known for publishing a series of seven books on the subject of food storage and also lectures and teaches seminars about preparedness and using food storage products. Peggy practices what she preaches, has no debt, grows a huge garden, lives off the land, raises chickens, bottles and dehydrates food and has time left over to operate her businesses. To check out Peggy's cookbooks and self sufficiency products go to her website www.peggylayton.com. To get a free sample of three different storable meals that have a 15-year shelf life go here.

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  • s c

    Progressives, do not waste your time on this article. You are omniscient, and it would be an insult for you to stoop to think about stocking up on anything. You know what is best for everyone, and you are quite right to have no use for gold or silver or food. The government will take care of all your needs.
    The rest of us will take our chances and live with not being omniscient. We reserve the right to make mistakes.
    Thanks for the article, Peggy.

    • Claire

      I am stocked up to the ceiling in the “old farmhouse” and here at home. I just rotate stock and make sure dates are kept current. I honestly cannot add another item. I am ready come what may.

      • Granny Mae

        Clair,

        Hooray ! Good for you. I am almost there myself ! Good work !

    • M.Rose

      I see that there are many people here buying into propaganda that socialists are trying to take over. If that is true then they must be undercover as Capitalists right now. After all, who has had the big bucks and power to buy politicians for years on end? Corporate Capitalists. Who has been spending a massive amount of money from corporations and foreigners to make you forget the massive fraud by investment bankers? Republicans. Who perpetrated that fraud that cost our nation trillions in lost jobs and pensions? Bankster Capitalists. They are getting away with a hostile takeover of our Nation because you believe their lies and vote for their Republican puppets. Think about it and wake up people.

      The need for government spending to help people is proportionate to the amount of financial abuses you allow Corporate owned Republicans to get away with. When you get rid of progressives you will still have the financial abuse and no more help at all. Don’t blame the cost of spending for the bandage, blame the ones who wound us. They exist on both sdes but especially corporate owned republicans. They speak of God and Constitution, but it is all a cover for their crimes. If you don’t believe it you should study what the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and the International Monetary fund have done to other countries for years. They have them trapped in poverty, and that is what is happening to us, and people are going slong with it like sheep to the slasughter.

      • Granny Mae

        M.Rose

        My answer to your rant is George Soros ! He is a communist, but worse he is so rich that all he finds pleasure in anymore is toying with people’s lives. He finds it fun, in his words. This is a sick powerful and dangerous man. Sounds like you are on his side ! Either quite drinking the kool-aid or wake up from your dream, cause you are about to walk into a real night mare ! By the way George is not a republican !

      • bhscpa

        “Who perpetrated that fraud that cost our nation trillions in lost jobs and pensions? Bankster Capitalists.”?
        Wrong! The real perps are Democrat/Progressives Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. They allowed Fannie & Freddie to go over the cliff while saying that there was no serious problems with them.
        You probably missed O’Reiley’s “interview” with Barney on Fox. He would not admit that he had any role in keeping this disaster quiet until the bitter end.

      • Dave

        I don’t understand your political rant. All I know for sure is that I don’t know much. I also happen to know that my community has 4-6 days worth of supplies available on the store shelves. Be it some kind of natural disaster, technological failure, political unrest, economic failure, terrorist attack, war, or any number of unimaginable situations, it does not take a genius to figure out that having a plan for storing some food and basic necessities is prudent. My grandparents did this because it made sense and it was necessary. It doesn’t guarantee anything, because something could just as easily happen to the storage. But at least there is peace of mind knowing that I have not put all my eggs in the grocery store. If the proverbial turd hits the fan, maybe I can do something to help my neighbor instead of adding to the panic.

      • Kyle Butler

        Everybody can argue about whose fault it is that the country is in such a declining state; but the bottom line is its everyones fault. The average american person, educated or not, is ignorant and apathetic. “WE THE PEOPLE” allowed are country to fall into a dismal irrepairable mess. Its our grandparents fault for being deceived by the social security scam, the united nations scam and for losing our 2nd amendment rights. (Yes we did lose them but the american people cant seem to understand what they read. The phrase, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”, means no restrictions and no regulations.) Its our parents fault that the moral, ethical, and educational standards of our society have sunk to an embarrassing level., It is our fault for electing people of such little experience and low character who overregulate, overtax and overspend; then rationalize their mistakes by pointing out the mistakes of the past to the american people. Our children are sent overseas to die fighting wars, with their hands tied by bureaucratic oversight, for other nations with no visible benefit for our country. “WE THE PEOPLE” have lost not just our rights but our power given to us by the constitution by allowing elected officials and corporate conglomerates to marginalize and discard that very same document which secured our liberties that are now being threatened and exstinguished. It is very commendable for people to share their knowledge about preparedness; but it is foolish to point the finger when all you need to do to find the person(s) responsible is look in the mirror.

  • Dan Az

    These are things that are most important for all of our survival and not to be taken lightly. If you like oriental food its also something to store its cheap and good and its mostly vegies that can be grown.Rice is very high in protean which we all need and the rice noodles store for yrs great soups that are a meal in them selves.Lucky for me that my wife is a good cook shes Italian Irish and German so I get a variety shes also thinks she chinese she not but can out cook them any day.

    • Pete Koch (AZ)

      My research shows that rice has 39 grams total carbs, zero grams dietary fiber, 39 grams net carbs (naturally), and only 3 grams of protein, and weighs in at a whopping 180 calories. All beans, peas, and lentils have from two to four times the protein, from 7 to 14 grams of dietary fiber, fewer carbs, and all of them have fewer calories. Quinoa, though it is more expensive, is very good and healthful. We eat it almost every day. We have a little rice for variety, not nutrition.

    • Granny Mae

      Dan Az

      When eating rice for protein it is wise to add either beans or corn with it to make a complete protein, or what is considered a complete protein. Beans are the same way. They are not considered a complete protein untill either rice or corn are added. You can make bean soup and serve cornbread with it and you are good to go. Check into food combining and find out how to get the most from you stored foods !

  • Soldier

    I heard insects are a good source of protein, like grasshoppers. I imagine they would taste fairly bad, but you could surivive in a pitch off it. Anyone ever eat raw / live insects just to see what they taste like?

    • timmym

      Hey you gave me a great idea ! I think we should gather as many grasshoppers as possible seal them in as many big glass jars you can find and when the Democratic socialists come knocking on your door begging for food after the country goes to financial hell in a hand basket you could give them one of your jars of grasshoppers !.It makes me feel good to share.

      • 45caliber

        And according to the Japanese, dried grasshoppers are yummy.

        • Angel Wannabe

          even at 11 years old, 45, the Chocolate covered Grasshoppers I ate while visting an Aunt in New Mexico, tasted like crap!!!__if I was staving though, I could probably imagine it being a porkchop!__lol

      • Christin

        timmym,
        Well, I can do my part for my country (gubberment)… we have had tons of grasshoppers in our clearing where my garden and orchard are at our farm house. And I just happen to have many jars and would love to share them… as for me, I’d skip them and become a vegetarian!
        However, I’m not so sure the Demo Socialists will beg, but rather steal and TAKE what they want… you know they are into Redistributive Wealth (Food)… ya know, I’m just saying guys.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Christin,
          so dry them and store them in boxes marked food and and mark your food work lists and they will steal your “food”!!!!

          • Christin

            Joe H,
            You sly guy! :)

            You know their were strange green, brown, yellow striped grasshoppers I’d never seen before and some simple green and brown ones. They especially liked my lettuce… bet they have green insides like squashed caterpillers do… okay gross. I have seen more insects around here than I care to!

            Fun idea Joe, but I barely have enough time to do the necessary things, let alone fool the foolish.

        • Granny Mae

          Christin,

          I like Joe’s idea ! LOL !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I thank you both ladies, I aim to please!!

      • Brian

        Tim, I have been in situations where the locals eat them and seem to enjoy them. They are welcome to them. When I need to eat them, I will come up with some of the best ways to cook and enjoy them. Until then, I enjoy other types of protein and willcontinue my stone age ways. I did giggle at the sharing jars of canned hoppers with those with whom we may not agree. Sharing is sharing!

    • 45caliber

      Not raw or live ones. But my stepbrother had several packages of dried grasshoppers dipped in chocolate before he found out what they were. He said they were very good. lol

    • shumana

      My son ate mealworms for extra credit in school. He ate both raw and cooked. According to him, they taste something like popcorn.

      • Robert S

        Something new to watch the boob tube with.

    • Granny Mae

      Soldier,

      My next to the oldest son, is now out of the service but when he was in he did a lot of that ! He says that moths are good ! He has bet his buddies that he would eat a moth and made quite a sum from it ! He is nuts !

      • independant thinker

        There was a show on History Channel called Man Woman Wild for a while. It was based on the primis of things like “you are hiking in a national forest and get lost” and other reasonable secenerioes (sp) and showed how to survive. The couple told how to find wild foods including inscets, worms, crawdads, etc. that you could eat to keep up your streignth until you either were found or you made it out.

  • Judy j

    I’d like to do this, but have a problem. The only place I have is the basement but it’s damp and there are mice (who never venture upstairs d/t my 3 cats).I used to keep a pantry down there but discovered the cans developed rust and everything mice could chew through, they did.
    Should an extreme emergent situation arise, mine will be the most logical house for my elderyly parents and son to come to and, thus, I need to think in terms of food supplies for everybody, including the animals. My only source of heat is a wood stove (which can also be cooked on) and I have well water. Save electric (and I have a generator), my house can operate independently from all utilities.
    I’d appreciate any recommendations re how to store food in a damp basement with mice (who I can’t get rid of, I am surrounded by woods and there will always be mice down there).

    • Christopher51

      Mice CAN be gotten rid of. I would start by sealing up the basement. I advise against silicone caulking. Silicone is a great lubricant but a cheap and terrible caulking. It’s usually good for adhering two flat surfaces: That’s it! Want a test? I’m sure that you’ve pulled the caulking out of something that you’ve caulked with silicone, 5 to 10 years prior. It usually comes off like a giant gummy worm; correct? You can’t do that with butyl or acrylic caulking.

      Seal up any cracks in the foundation walls with mortar or mortar caulking. Seal any gaps between the sill plate and foundation with a good, exterior grade, butyl caulking. Any exterior windows should be sealed with a good grade of vinyl weatherstripping and caulked around the exterior of the window. Any exterior doors should be sealed with a good grade of metallic backed vinyl weatherstripping and a high quality sealing threshold; and also caulked around the exterior frame. Seal any gaps around hose bibs or electrical conduit.

      Don’t use foam caulking on larger gaps. Mice and other rodents will eat right through it. Most pest people will tell you to stuff coarse steel wool into any large cracks, then caulk or foam: Good thought, bad advice. Unfortunately steel wool will react with copper and metal conduit leading to pinholes and the general degradation of both materials. It will also rust and disintegrate after a while. Instead, use bronze wool. This can be found in most marine stores and better home improvement stores. Rodents will, most likely, not try to chew through steel or bronze wool.

      Got high humidity? Get a good quality dehumidifier. If your basement isn’t totally below grade, mount the unit high so that it can drain directly to the exterior. Otherwise, a small pump-up station can be had for around $40.

      If your walls have an elevated moisture, 15 – 20 percent, you may want to consider sealing them with a high quality concrete sealer. Unless you’re a pro, stay away from epoxy. Drylok is not my first choice either. If the walls have condensation on them, again, a good dehumidifier should help. If the walls are weeping or efflorescing, time to call in the pros, you’ve got a problem! I also advise people that if they don’t have gutters, get them, and terminate the downspouts at least 6 ft. from the foundation.

      Keep your shelving away from outer walls. Moisture in the walls will cause steel to rust, aluminum to pit, due to galvanic action, and wood will wick-up moisture like a sponge.

      After all is said and done, put a few mouse traps around the perimeter of the basement; especially one on either side of the pantry unit along the wall. You might also want to think about letting kitty roam the basement periodically. A little Rats-A-Roni in the diet never hurt.

      Good luck. God bless.

      • independant thinker

        All good advice.

        “Any exterior windows should be sealed with a good grade of vinyl weatherstripping and caulked around the exterior of the window. ”

        I would say if the basement has exterior windows they should be up-graded to double or tripple pane and you should be able to open them for air circulation.

        • Christopher51

          Since basements are rarely heated, unless they are a living space, a good quality single pane window should suffice; and you don’t want to open it unless it’s a nice dry cool day outside. As I said, a good dehumidifier works wonders.

          Laus Deo

          • http://?? Joe H.

            C51,
            you may want to find a way to reinforce those windows in case something DOES happen!!! All the food you can fill the basement with isn’t worth a plugged nickel if it all gets stolen!!!

      • Granny Mae

        Christopher51,

        Boy, Thanks for all the good information. I am sending it to my son in N.C. He really needs this info. Some of it I can use myself. I have no basement but living in the woods I have mice and I have 5 outside cats ! Guess I will bring one or two in the house from time to time. This being fall they will start coming in. I live in a fairly new doublewide and they are always coming in somewhere around the kitchen, I just can’t find out where ! I will keep looking ! Thanks again for the info.

        • Dan Az

          Granny
          Use your cell phone and take a picture inside of the vents.They get in by way of the flexible vent tubes you can see them on your phone.

          • Granny Mae

            Will do ! Thanks !

        • independant thinker

          I live in a double wide also and have had a minor problem with them. Check around your water supply lines, drains, and any other similar spots that anything goes thru the floor or walls even your power supply entrance is a possible entry way for them. It is said that if they can push their head thru then it is easy for them to get their body thru so they can go thru some mighty small openings. If there is any gap at all plug it with steel wool or brass wool and a little of the foam insulation. Something I notices in my house is the openings in the bottom of the cabinate were sealed with foam sealent but the openings in the floor were not sealed. By the way I have both inside and in and out cats so do not have to worry about them running amok in the house if any found their way out from under the cabinate they would last about 30 seconds before it became a snack.

          • independant thinker

            I plan to have the flex ducting that joins the central between the two sides of the house replaced with insulated rigid ducting as soon as I can work it into the budget.

          • Granny Mae

            I can get that done too ! Thanks.

        • libertytrain

          Granny Mae – I have a problem with them in a little cabin on my property, try sprinkling Baby Powder and they walk in it and leave a path (if that’s feasible) – I’ve also been using Pine Sol – the regular old-fashioned kind with the pine scent – they supposedly hate that – I put it in containers around the cabin – little lids – but I like the feel clean smell of that strong stuff – and one more thing – sprinkle pepper around areas – they hate that – I’m using the red pepper pieces in the seasoning type jars. So far so good, I haven’t had a problem since I started doing this in July when I caught my last mouse in there – prior was finding them a few times a week.

          • Granny Mae

            libertrain,

            That is a good idea too and I will do it also. By the time I get done with all these suggestions I should be mouse free ! Thanks.

          • Dan az

            libertytrain and granny
            the very best way to catch the mice that I have found by far is a five gal bucket half full of water. they cant resist a drink I have a couple in the bucket every day.

          • libertytrain

            Thanks – will add that to my “must try” list!

          • Granny Mae

            Dan Az,

            I have heard of that and may try it. It brings to mind the time my father was feeding the chipmunks ! He called them Scoobys ! He had a bucket out on the back porch and put a couple peanuts in it and sure enough the chipmunks found a way in but they couldn’t get out! With two of them in that bucket they went round and round chasing each other till my father was sick from laughing so hard ! He finally tipped the bucket over and let them out ! It was so funny to watch !

    • Jennifer

      You don’t have to store downstairs. Are you sure that is the ONLY place you can store. Example, I cleaned out my closet. I don’t have a lot of clothes, but I did have some I was hanging on to for a special occasion and a few that were too small but I was trying to lose weight. I decided being prepared was more important than keeping these clothes. I sent them to Goodwill and have now taken one-third of my entire closet for food storage. You have to start somewhere. Maybe there is a space that you can make that you never thought of before.

    • 45caliber

      It will be expensive since your house is already built, but you can put drain lines around the outside of the basement. The easiest way is to put in gravel with pipe with holes. The pipe will collect and carry the water. Drain it to a sump with a pump if your land is level; drain it to a lower elevation if it isn’t. You will need a back hoe and a lot of gravel and septic pipe.

      • Christopher51

        The system you are referring to is called either a foundation drain system or French drain; which utilizes a perforated PVC or clay pipe.

        You forgot one very important ingredient, lots and lots of $$$$$$$$
        :-D

        • Caroline

          The French drains are well worth the effort and investment.

    • http://PLD TomD

      make sure all cracks and openings are sealed up and get the packaged poison pouches. You can tell when the mice eat it and they will die.
      If all else fails get a kitty kat

    • Pete Koch (AZ)

      Judy makes a very good point. We need to consider the possiblity of needing to provide for family members or friends who might have to flee the city, and, of course, pets and other animals. My wife and I live in a rural area, are in our seventies, and have just begun to store food. I can imagine having a dozen or more people here. We would rather have too much and not need it than to need it and not have it. There will always be someone who WILL need it. I just hope we have considerble more time.

    • Christin

      Judy j.
      Do you hear all these SMART guys n gals pitching in their skills and knowledge and giving you help to solve your dilema… WOW. You guys are great. We are blessed to have all these conservative people on this site who know so much. Thank you.

      • Granny Mae

        Judy,

        I can tell you what I have done as I don’t have a basement. I have placed palets on the floor under each bed in the house and placed boxes of food on the palets for storage. Acouple of the beds had to be raised a little to make room and then I put a bed skirt on the bed so the storage didn’t show . Next to each bed on either side I stacked several boxes and put a round piece of plywood on top and then topped that with a round cloth and it is now used as a bed stand with a lamp on it. I have done the same thing with some buckets in the livingroom and it is a coffee table. Behinf the couch I have stacked big buckets two high the full length of the couch and placed a long board across the top and again placed a long cloth over the top and it hangs down to the floor so as to hide what is behind it and then I have pictures of the family and a few what-nots on the top. I have placed dried storage in cans on a piece of plywood on the floor in my coat closet and both spare bedroom closets are filled with shelving and storage plus I have several cabinets in both bedrooms filled with food storage. All the cabinets have either doors on them or I have put curtains over them. I have a small closet with shelves in it in my utility room and it has a curtain over it and has storage in it ! I can still put some things at the head of the beds and cover them with sheets of paneling and I have room behind the love seat and the chair in the corner of the living room ! When I get those places filled I will have to come up with something new. I did see in a magazine that someone bought a small covered trailer and equiped it with a small window air conditioner. He parked it next to his garage in the shade and in the summer time when it was hot he just turned on the air conditioner and when it gt cold he turned it off. It was out of sight and handy to hook up to if he had to bug out ! So there are some ideas for you. Good luck.

  • Rick S

    I have found that underground storage is the best. Warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Also fire proof.

    Note, A sea container needs to be beefed up BEFORE you bury it or the roof and walls will bend in. I found out the hard way. lol.
    Took a lot of work to do it right but worth it. You can get a lot of stuff in a 40 foot sea can.

    They thought I was nuts but they don’t now. lol.

    • s c

      Good for you, Rick S. And, it didn’t take a government bailout, a favor from a politician, a lengthy debate or a vote from our wannabe saviors in Congress or a nod from The Obummer’s favorite czar, and you’ll benefit from having that underground storage before you have to think about retirement.
      Who says individuals can’t make a difference in this country?

    • 45caliber

      If you live around Tornado Alley, you can get concrete storm shelters that can go into the ground. And you can get almost any size of them. Be sure to plan on locking it too.

      • independant thinker

        It would take a bit of work to seal it completely but I have seen photos of old school busses buried to the roof line for a storm shelter. This would probably work best if you lived on sloped land so water would drain away naturally.

      • Christin

        45,
        On one property site we saw a small underground shelter made of a kind of plastic. They dug out the size and space needed then just lowered in the tornado type shelter… it had seats on two sides and a person could stand up in the middle. Don’t know the expense, but probably costly. I was wondering if that could be a safe, cool, dry place to store food and other stuff?

        Rick S, a seal container?

        • independant thinker

          That sounds like a plastic or fiberglas storm shelter it should work just fine as an underground storage room as they are designed to be water tight. You might want to spray the walls with foam insulation to eliminate the possibility of sweating.

        • independant thinker

          I am sure he means the shipping containers that look similar to semi trailers without wheels. They are used for both oversea freight and local freight shipments. It is my understanding that the ones designed for overseas freight are a lirttle heavier than the ones designed for domestic use only.

          • Christin

            IT,
            Oh, a sea or shipping container… that sound’s cool.
            That woould be a large underground storage… 40 ft.
            Wonder how he gets down underground to get into it without letting water in? Wonder how he made the door seal tight?
            Seems like you’d have to insulate it too, huh, 45?

          • independant thinker

            Doesn’t really have anything to do with the topic but I have seen plans for turning them into houses. You take several and connect them side by side, on top of each other, end to end, or most practical a combination of the above. The plans showed how to put in doors and windows and so forth.

  • JIM

    I’m 67 on medications for heart and colesterol. How or where can I get a three month supply to stash away here in Tennessee?

    • Bev

      Jim, you could start by just buying canned food, only stuff that you would eat anyways and maybe make room in your kitchen cupboards–good way to eliminate clutter that we all have in our cupboards anyways. Age doesnt make a difference when it comes to storing necessary food! Also consider the “military supply food–the rations. Easy to store and they keep a LONG time! Also such things as powdered milk, flour, etc things you’d keep anyways in your kitchen. Do you have a pantry in your home? if the door is kept closed thesee places also can stay nice and cool! Also go through your home and it’ll surprise you on the items you probably already have, like flashlights, sleeping bags or extra blankets, jackets, coats, warm socks and if you live in a cold climate long winter thermals. Pick up extra batteries etc. Do you have an alternative heating source? Remember age should’nt make a difference in storing necessities!

    • 45caliber

      Jim:

      If you want a three months supply of medication, you should be able to get your doctor to give you such a prescription. Most will. And most insurance companies will allow you to buy with such a prescription.

      But if you can’t do that, then take a fast trip to Mexico. They have pharmacies just across the border that will sell you the same drugs you get here in the US without a prescription – and for a lot less as well. I have friends who go every three to six months. They tell me that they can easily pay for their trip with the money they save on the price of the drugs.

    • independant thinker

      JIM, If you are taking 67 different medications for anything you should do a re-assessment of what you are taking and what each does. Then go to your Dr. (or find a new one if yours won’t discuss it) and see about getting the numbers reduced.

      • Angie

        I think the person said that he is 67 years old and on different medications. Not on 67 different medications.

        • independant thinker

          Thanks Angie, you are probably correct. Sometimes my responce cells get ahead of my reading and comprehension cells.

    • shumana

      I’ve also been to Mexico and purchased meds. There good! I also have friends who have done the same year after year. They also have Costco, Wal-mart, and Sam’s club down there where you can pick them up maybe even cheaper than the corner pharmacist.

    • Granny Mae

      Jim,
      Check out Emergency Essentials at BePrepared.com If you don’t want to bother with all the work you can go through their site and just pick out what you need and order it and they will send it to you. They have every kind of fppd storage you can imagine. They have MREs in pkgs. for three days tp one year. They also have Freeze-Dried pouch foods that are the sort used by hikers and back packers. To buy this in this way is a little pricy but if it is too much for you to try to get around and you can afford it this might be what you need. Check them out and see what you think. You can also add to your supply with store bought products in the type of things that you normally eat. Do not store things you don’t eat normaly. If your heart is bad try to get things that are easy to prepare. MREs would fit that bill as you can just open them and heat them and eat. The freeze-dried are also easy as all you have to do is add hot water and eat ! I would suggest that you try a three day supply first to see if you like them . If you don’t you don’t have much into it, but if you do like them then you can add to it and you are good to go. Do you plan to hunker down where you are if things get bad or are you going to bug out and head to a relatives or a place in the out back ? If you stay put you should have some things available to you that you could use in case there was a power outage. A camp stove or a wood burning stove that you could heat with and cook on. Lights for use in the evening. Water supply etc. There is a lot to think of but if you sit down with a pad of paper and a pen you can think of things you would need in the case of an all out emergency. Then just go about them one at a time till you have them done. To stay put you will have to think of water use and how to store some and a pump to get it out of the container when you need it. I bought 8 or 9 fifty gal plastic drums that were used to hold fruit syrup for food service and I brought them home and hosed them out with soap and water and rinsed them real good then filled them and I store them on our carport. Keep a gal or two of plain bleach to use to purify your drinking water if need be or to sanitize things. Look around your house for all the things you probably already have and know where they are in case you need to get at them. By all means if you have a heart problem you need to make sure that you won’t get real cold in the winter time, especially if you live in the cold country. Make sure you have a good heating source and if you need to go outside you should have a good neck scarf to cover your nose and mouth. Breathing in cold air can cause you to have a heart attack so stay warm. Don’t forget to store toilet paper too. Some people forget that they need that. Just take it one step at a time and you will do fine. God Bless !

  • http://none OJD

    I may have a food storage problem.
    I am selling everything and will live with (all of our belongings) in
    a motor home.. Any sugestions other than moving to another country.

    • 45caliber

      One suggestion about your motor home. Insure that it doesn’t depend upon electronics to start and run. If an EMP wave hits it, you will find it a permanent home in whatever spot it happens to be in when the wave hits.

    • Sunshine Spanne

      OJD – I,too, am a “full-time-RV-er” having lived in my fifth-wheel now for 11 years, and my motor home prior to that. Here’s what I have done: #1, Check at your local RV Supply, such as Camping World, for a power inverter system for your motorhome, unless your motorhome is new, of course, in which case you already have a system. Make sure you have a good solar panel to keep your marine or deep cycle batteries charged up when you can’t utilize your engine to trickle charge, or can’t get fuel or gas to start your engine. Also, if you can, try to park under cover and build yourself a “Feldeman Cover” which you can make, fold up and store in your MH basement. This is simply cardboard covered with heavy foil, with preferably SILVER wiring (about 50′) attached with tape. Use this cardboard/foil cover to cover your engine, surrounding it as much as possible; run the silver wiring away from the MH, and attach to a grounding rod which has been hammered into the ground. This will take the EMP and run it into the ground like a lightening rod does to lightening, and should save your engine. I have made different sizes of boxes out of cardboard boxes covered with foil, to cover and protect my computer, cell phones, television, radios, and other electronic equipment I want to save.
      As far as food goes, the lighter the better, which means dehydrated or freeze-dried. Check your “Army/Navy Surplus Stores” as well as some of the “natural foods” stores. You will find meats, pastas, potatoes, and rice, as well as dried vegetables and fruits. I vacuum seal and store in containers on top of my unit as well as the Joey drawer underneath. Also there is usually a hydrolic lift set under the bed base beneath the mattress in your bedroom, which is excellent for storage.
      Hope this has helped you some.
      Sunshine

      • independant thinker

        You can also check Sportsmans Guide, Cheaper Than Dirt, and other sites on line for MREs and camping foods.

        • Granny Mae

          Independant thinker,

          There is hope !!!!!!!!!! A friend of mine that I have been trying to get into this was over this morning and we got to talking about things and I showed her my latest dehydrated and vacuum sealed projects and finally she took notice ! When she left she said she was going to town and get herself a seal-a-meal and start doing what I am doing ! She has had a dehydrator in her cupboard but just didn’t use it !! I showed her how to use it real simply and so now she is interrested ! It’s about time !

          • Christin

            Mae,
            I have a dehydrator, too, and used it a few times to dry banana slices to make banana chips and maybe make fruit roll-ups out of applesause for my boys and a couple other things long time ago.

            My boys would love it, if I got it out and started using it again.

            I don’t really know what to do with it anymore, except to dry herbs and save them for a longer duration.

            What’s to dehydrate, Mae?

          • Christin

            Oh, Mae, I want to buy a vaccuum sealer, too… been wanting one for awhile. It is a kitchen tool that you can use for long term storage, but also to keep food fresher longer right now. My boys and I looked at some last week. Saw one I’d like to buy, but it was $99 (at Wal-Mart… I know the land of Chinese goods.) Is there any particular feature that is good or better on some than on others that you would recommend? I think it is always good to talk to someone that has one and uses it so they can tell you their opinion on it.

          • libertytrain

            Granny what area of the country are you in – you have probably said but I don’t recall.

          • Christin

            LibertyTrain,
            I think I remember Mae saying she now lives in Florida, but was born elsewhere.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin and Liberty.

            I live in north Florida. I hope you all get this. I think whe it comes to a vacuum sealer, get something afordable until you know how much you are going to use it. I have an attachment where I can put a long tube on mine and I use it to vacuum seal large things like buckets and big bags that won’t fit in the sealer opening. I use the machine to vacuum and then my travel iron to heat seal the mylar bags. The vacuum sealer is great for sealing things for the freezer just remember when you want to seal things that have a lot of moisture, such as meat that leaks it is a good idea to partialy frees it first to set the liquid and then vacuum seal it in the bag. That way you don’t have a lot of water pulled out durring the process to interfere with the heat seal. Now if you want to dehydrate some veggies for your food storage and do it the easiest way I have found, you can buy several bags of frozen veggies of your choice. Do not defrost just place them on your trays as is and turn it on. If you have a tem.setting turn it to 125 to 127 degrees and let it go. I don’t remember off hand how long it takes but I usually put mine in at night and let it go till in the morning. If they are real dry then I take them out of the machine and and start vacuum sealing. Some of the veggies have real sharp points and will poke holes in the sealing bags so I saw on the internet where this man took small plastic bags and cut them down to where they were just big enough to hold the veggies . I place the veggies in the bags and put those bags inside the sealing bag and then vacuum seal. It works and no holes. Just make sure you keep the plastic bag small enough so as not to interfere with the vacuuming of the sealing bag ! I vacuum seal things like rice in portions sized for a meal for us, because we buy the rice in bulk. First I freeze the rice for several days to make sure that any microscopic critters that might be there have no chance of growing. Then I portion it out in 2 cup amounts for our family. Then I vacuum seal it and with a sharpie I write on it what it is and how much . The date sealed and how much water to use to make cooked rice. After it is sealed I put it in a big bucket with a lid and it is good to go. I also do that with powdered milk. I measure out enough to make a quart and then write how much water to add and the date and it is good to go also. Most people don’t like to drink powdered milk but when you are in a situation where you need to get milk into your kids bodys you can always cook with it or even make chocolate milk. Take some powdered milk. enough for a glass ful and put it in a sealing bag then add enough Nestles Quick and vacuum seal. Label it as to what it is and the date and place it in your bucket ! I have done this same thing with coffee, soup mix packaged meals like mac and cheese and rice-a-roni etc. and put them in the bucket too. The point is to remove as much air as is possible so it will keep longer. Once you start your imagination will go wild and it is so easy. Not as much work as canning, but still very helpful in making a emergency food storage. I have also done speghetti sauce but I think from now on I will make my own sauce so I can leave out the oil and then dehydrate it and crush it up and put it in a sealing bag and seal. Label and date and how much water to add for sauce. I wasn’t too hep on the canned sauce with the oil in it because botulisim can grow even in a vacuum so I really don’t think we should take a chance. However without the oil it should do just fine because it is a high acid food. I hope this is helpful. And do try it you will really like it. Makes food last a lot longer in the freezer. No freezer burn ! I have tried a lot of things and this is fun! I have even canned steril bandages !!! Just because I read somewhere that it could be done and had to try it for myself ! It can be done and will keep steril bandages steril forever if the jar isn’t opened !!!! Let me know if I can be of anymore help. Don’t go overboard with your first sealer. Once you have used it and know that you would use it a lot and feel you could do with a bigger and better one then look for the comercial kind that can fit on your countertop. As for me, I’m happy with my old $30.00 one and my newer $100.00 one ! I can get by with these and I don’t really need the commercial one but if someone was to give me one I sure wouldn’t turn it down !! LOL !

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            Look for a book called Dry it You’ll Like it ! Neat little book and not expensive. Tells you all kinds of things to dehydrate. Also type in Food Dehydrating or food storage and there is a wealth of info out there. Some hikers and back packers do a lot of dehydrating for their own use because buying dehydrated food getd expensive. There is also a woman on the net that does a lot of the same things I do and she shows you step by step how she does it. She is real good and of course I have no clue how to get to her except that I typed in something like dehydrating for home storage or something like that ! If I can find it I will let you know !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Granny Mae,
            what part of Michigan were you born and raised in?? I was born and raised in the Adrian/ Tecumseh area.

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H.

            I was born and raised in Flint and when I got married we move to Owosso and the moved out toward Lansing in between Perry and East Lansing. Lived in Michigan for over 30 years but saw the way the economy was going and decided to get out of Dodge ! I miss it but I’m not sorry we left ! My folks moved from Flint to Clare area and I still have a brother in Mio ! Lots of family still in Standish and Prescot area and probably other places I don’t know about ! I really do miss it !

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            I found it! Type in dehydrate to store and you will find a great websight. This gal really knows her stuff when it comes to dehydrating ! Check it out !

    • Granny Mae

      OJD,

      Consider the idea I told about earlier of the covered small trailer and put your food storage in it. Just make sure you have a way to keep it out of the heat.

  • Vance65

    When the Socialists come knocking on the door they can be a good source of protein for the dogs.

    • s c

      Vance65, some people might say your comment is much more than tilted, but I think your words do have merit. There are MANY people in America who can’t think their way out of a limp paper sack [mainly socialists, communists, fascists and progressives].
      They have complete faith in big government, and they are willing to trade freedom for anything that sounds or feels good. It lets them forget about the 1st and 2nd Amendments, too.
      When and if Americans have to defend themselves against other Americans or UN stooges or imported mercs, that’s what it might take for them to understand that freedom is more than just a word.
      People who are determined to force the issue can also serve as maggot food, in the event that being a meal for dogs doesn’t have enough appeal. Hopefully, it won’t make dogs or maggots ill.

  • MAC10

    FOR A QUICK AND INEXPENSIVE ROOT CELLAR, CHECK WITH YOU LOCAL SEPTIC SYSTEM CONTRACTOR. I PURCHASED A CUSTOM SEPTIC TANK 7′HIGH x 10′ DEEP x 8′ WIDE, O.D. WITH A 30″ X 82″ OPENING ON ONE END. I HAD A FRIEND THAT HAS A BACK HOE DIG A PIT 5′ DEEP AND SET THE TANK IN THE PIT. THEN COVERED THE TOP WITH 3′ OF FILL DIRT. I ADDED TWO 6″ VENTS IN THE LID. ONE WITH A TRUBINE VENT AND THE OTHER WITH A SCREENED RAINCAP FOR THE INTAKE. I BUILT AN ENTRY TO A METAL SEALED DOOR USING CINDER BLOCK. YOU CAN USE CROSS TIES OR ANY OTHE TREATED LUMBER. YOU CAN RUN ELECTRIC POWER IF YOU WANT OR USE A SOLAR OUTDOOR SYS. TOTAL COST RAN AROUND $2,500 +/-. CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL BUILSIND CODES FIRST FOR ANY PERMITS REQUIRED. GOOD LUCK.

  • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

    What happens when you have spent considerable time and money buying & storing all the needed food, water, supplies, etc., and your neighbors have done nothing? I think a discussion on this topic has been really overlooked. Do you share? When you are healthly and well fed and watered, and the neighbors are dying; what is going to happen then? If you don’t share it will be forceably taken from you. Am I right?

    • s c

      CALWEST, look at it from another angle. A good neighbor will look at the issue and find ways not to be a burden to other neighbors. If your neighbor has his or head buried in the sand, you shouldn’t be obligated to remind your neighbor that he/she had YEARS to get ready. Remember, there are good neighbors, and there are ‘neighbors.’

    • 45caliber

      If you don’t share, it will be taken away from you ONLY if you have no way to defend yourself. If you do, then you can at least argue about who gets to share it. The real question becomes: Do you like your neighbors well enough to share with them? If not, do you dislike them enough to shoot them?

      • Maltman

        45 is spot on…Food, Water, Ammo are your top 3 concerns, in that order. Bigger issue would be if other family members come a knocking. I am trying to educate them now too, but Im often referred to as a radical. NP defending against the neighbors, extended family is my dilemma.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Me too maltman, my kids think, I’ve flipped my lid, but they are slowly comin’ around,__How I know, they call every so often, to tell me, something on TV, the crazy progressives have done.

        • Granny Mae

          The same here !! You are certainly not alone! I have a sister that comes into money and gives it away to her kids or buys a new car. I have told her for years that this was coming and she laughed at me and so much as told me I was nuts ! She is going to be laughing out the other side of her face one day soon. She will come begging and I WILL TURN HER AWAY ! I don’t like her much anyway ! Long story but she is not the kind of person I would make friends with if she was just an aquaintence ! My kids are coming around and they too are seeing the things on the TV. So there is still hope !

          • Granny Mae

            By the way. My brother use to laugh at me and tell me I was crazy but he called a few months ago to tell me that he has stocked up and has made one closet into his storage room. He said Sis I don’t think your crazy anymore! There is hope !

          • Christin

            G. Mae,
            I have sent some of these “Prepare” e-mails to my family and friends… don’t hear much from my family (some of who think I am either crazy or not putting my faith in God), but I have encouraged two friends that know what is going on to get going on the storing up of food, water, meds & medicine, and paper, soap, and toiletry products…soon! I used the illustration of how the grocery stores look… bare… just prior to a hurricane coming to our area and tell them that when the rest of the people figure out what is going on and the currency inflates and collapses our ecomomy people will panic and buy whatever they can before they have nothing.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            Some people can’t seem to know when the Lord is talking to them ! I trust completely in the Lord for everything, however I also know when he is talking to me. I will prepare and he will take care of the rest. Some people seem to think they should just float along and God will take care of them and he does for the most part, but Our Lord is not just sitting around taking care of people that won’t take care of themselves. If we were to do nothing he would have created us without a mind of our own. Instead we would be like robots and he would control every aspect of our lives and we would have no need for intellegence ! That is not what he did. He gave us the finest brain in the universe and the ability to use it and free will to listen to him or not to listen. He wants out love and devotion but only if it is freely given by us. That is our gift to him. If it wasn’t freely given then there is no gift . He talks to all of us. Some of us listen and hear and others don’t. You just keep on listening and do what you know he wants you to do. You will not be able to convince those closest to you, even Jesus couldn’t. Remember he was rejected even in his own town and by people that knew him. So if he was rejected so will we be. You can only do what you can only do. Prepare and leave the rest to Him ! God Bless you

    • BLUEEYESOL

      I would recommend, to keep your food stores and preperations private and not to share the information with anyone except your immediate family or those you trust on a need to know basis. The only way they will be able to tell that you have food stores, is you will be doing fine while others are starving.

      Personally, for myself, I will share with those I choose to share with, and that can’t be everybody. Your most excellent neightbor whom you trusted up to this day, could turn into one who would take from you in desperate times, so I recommend, you be armed to defend you and your family from those who would choose to take from you, instead of asking.

      Again, keep this information a secret, the more people know what you have the more trouble you invite in hard times. I will share what I have, but it will be my choice, to whom and how much and even they won’t know what I have in stock. I would just let them assume that I have connections to get things instead of letting them know I have them stored already. Once they know that, they could become a threat.

      BE CAREFUL AND PRAY FOR GOD’S GUIDANCE AND PROTECTION!

      • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

        Another problem with food & water storage is “martial law”
        If martial law is declared, a house to house search is legal by gov’t representatives to conficate all food, water, weapons, etc., that is determined to be “hoarding.” If your neighbors don’t get your stuff, the government will. What about this problem?

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Damn good question…I say its a decision that will be left up to the individual. If they are doing door to door searches, raiding, confiscating…they will not leave without great harm inflicted upon them from a distance.
          Now if they simply declare Martial law due to rioting, street crime and simply demand you stay at home…I dont like that but can deal with it.

          • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

            I don’t think you realize if the gov’t/army/national guard/FEMA, etc., comes into your neighborhood to do a search, YOU WILL NOT be able to stop them. They will be fully armed for an unlimited amount of time. Think about this, they will make an example out of you for the rest of the watching citizens. So all the preparations you have made could be well be for nothing. Agree?

          • 45caliber

            They might try to make an example of me – but I believe I can take a couple of them with me at the same time. And if enough of us do that, there won’t be enough left to enforce their laws. Also, who will be doing it? Since most police and military people have sworn to NOT do that, I doubt if it will be our own military. And as someone pointed out the other day, blue helmets make good targets.

          • Dan az

            45
            Aint that the truth.Besides if you take the size of the US and compare it to eruope and looked at it like each state as a country of its own then how many armies would it take to concur that many nations let alone that every one in each country would be armed to the teeth.I feel that they to have figured out that one.

      • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

        We are not thinking with our “little gray cells” on this. God has given us a brain to plan for many different situations that will be of “life or death” importance when all hell breaks out.
        What I am trying to convey to prepared citizens is that OTHER people will want and get what WE have planned for. This is a fact that many people WILL NOT think about. If other readers of this think differently, please explain.

        • MN North

          Sorry to be joining the discussion this late but I just happened on the blog this am. My family and I are just getting into survival mode and we are really enjoying all the comments and tips. Thanks to all.

          CALWEST: I just heard an interesting discussion on the radio last Sat. concerning Mr O’s plan to make it possible for the military to turn against the american people. This is a quote from the discussion: “Through the infiltration of the gay agenda and occult practices into the military, the govt of the U.S. is attempting to re-align our military so that they can be used against the American people should there be civil disobedience, chemical or biological attacks, or any reason for the Pres. to declare martial law.” Information has come to light from currently serving military officers who are ready to resign their commissions (even though they wanted to make a career of it) because of the problems that are surfacing in their commands. Officers are reaching out to various conservative groups asking for this info to be desceminated. Want more info? Go to http://www.olivetreeviews.org and I think the rebroadcast of Sat’s 2 hour program with John McTernan is on the website or will be by tomorrow.

          • texastwin827

            Don’t sell our military men & women short. While the gov’t might try, there is also a group named Oathkeepers which consists of military & police officers who abide by their oath more than they do the politico’s.

    • Granny Mae

      CALWEST,

      I have given this a lot of thought and came to the conclusion that it really is not in my nature to turn away anyone, so what I have done is this. I have a dehydrator and a seal-a-meal vacuum sealer so I have simply taken some inexpensive things like rice and lentils etc. and I have taken and measured 2 cups of rice into a seal bag and sealed it up with the instructions of how much it is and how much water to add to cook it. I have put up some boxes of mac and cheese the same way. The mac and cheese is very inexpensive if you buy the off brands, and I will tell who ever comes to the door that I don’t have anything but I will check around with different people I know and see what I can come up with and if they come back in a couple hours I will see what I could do ! Hopefully this will work. But like I said I have done this with several different things including Rice-a-Roni and many box meals. These I have put in a separate bucket and this is what I will give out. I have also done this same thing with powdered milk. I measure out enough to make a quart and then vacuum seal it and write on the package what it is and how much water to add. Some people have little children and babies and I could never turn them away. I also can up small amounts of foods in 1/2 pint jars to make into baby food etc. I talk a hard line at times but I could never let someone starve when I could do something about it ! I even send food to a young priest in the Sudan because he goes hungry a lot of the time. When I heard about it I shipped him a big box ! He was very thankful! So when you read that I’m saying how hard I’m going to be, it is just my wishful imagination ! Any way that is what I have come up with for me to do. You could probably think of something different and better !

      • Christin

        You have a good heart Mae!

        • Granny Mae

          Thanks Christin,

          I want to have but sometimes it is hard to maintain with certain people in my family. I have a sister that is nothing like the rest of the family. She cannot be trusted from one minute to the next and is hateful at heart. I took care of her and her children for years and have done my best to over look her ways and still be a family but it doesn’t get better with her it just gets worse. I have finally moved a long way away from her to make it easier to cope with her but at times it still isn’t easy. I guess it never will be so I will just keep trying ! When it comes to her and my heart I have a lot to atone for ! I always pray Lord don’t grant me what I truly desirve but give me you forgivness instead !

  • 45caliber

    A good way to store seeds is to place them in the freezer. It prevents all sorts of problems and the seeds are still good.

  • 45caliber

    All I can say is – when you stock pile food, make sure your mate agrees. Mine tends to use whatever I stock without replacing (to ‘save’ money) unless it is something she doesn’t like to eat.

    • Granny Mae

      45caliber,

      Sounds like you need to stock everything she doesn’t like ! LOL ! To tell you the trueth I had to do that for a while! My son was here and he kept getting into all the things he liked ! I quit buying the things he liked ! The Turkey !!!

  • Bitter Libertarian

    For your vehicles….Cars/trucks are not grounded to the earth at all or very well. In the event of solar flares or EMP, you need to have a ground rod (rebar works for a few years) driven at least 6′ into the ground. Take a jumper cable and hook to your frame or neg cable and the other end to your ground rod. All energy will be dissapated preventing circuits, relays, computer from frying.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Oh and I forgot to suggest buying pool water chlorine…you can use it for flushing water, laundry, dishes, etc. Its cheap & comes pre sealed!

    • independant thinker

      Those that can afford to can also purchase an older vehicle (one that the only electronics is the radio) and restore it to the point of reliability. Of course you could restore it completely if you wanted but the most important thing is to make it mechanicaly sound making it pretty would be an extra.

      • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

        Where you get the gas to run it after going through your stored amount of petro?

        • independant thinker

          That would be a problem with any vehicle new or old. You just have to drive the vehicle only when absolutely necessary to make your fuel last as long as possible. I have not looked into it but you are supposed to be able to convert older vehicles to run on “charcoal or wood”. I believe it does this with a gas generator that uses one or the other.

        • 45caliber

          Build a still. A lot of various plants can be used to make alcohol. It burns hot in a car so you wouldn’t want to go far at a time or fast but it will work.

          • Dan az

            45
            What they did in the depression was mix there gas with kerosene they would use a seperate tank for it and only start the car with gas.the compression was low maybe 7 to 1 but it would run.Today you can make moonshine thats better than the gas you buy today you only need to rejet the carb to about 4 steps richer to make it run right.Also if you buy a honda 90 bike you would get 100 miles to the gal.I have atv’s that are getting about 50 mpgs and can haul anything you want in the trailer behind it.

          • Christin

            Dan az,
            We have a Kubota ATV… are you saying they can run on pure moonshine or is that a mixture gas/moonshine? Do you make your own moonshine? Do you drink it or just drive with it?! Seems like a complicated process, but quite handy in hard times.

          • Dan az

            christin
            I never heard of a kubota atv just tractors that where all diesel are you sure its not a tractor? if it is then then you can make diesel from just about anything check out mother earth for all the diffrent ways to do it.they are on line.and no I dont drink but one of my boys have made a still and its pretty easy he got all the info off the net also.

          • Christin

            Dan AZ,
            Yes, we have a four seater Kubota ATV to drive around the property & County Roads and do work (it has a hydrolic bed) and a Kubota Rider Lawn Mower to mow all the grass.

            One takes diesel (ATV I think) and one takes regular gas.

            We don’t have a tractor as we have a lot of scattered trees in our cleared area and almost half we left forested… plus they are expensive.

            I’ll have to check out Mother Earth. Having all the “pieces” to make a still if need be seems like good planning. Thanks for the info.

          • independant thinker

            Christen, If you shop around you can pick up a good used tractor for very few bucks compared to a new one. Mother Earth ran an article on this I believe it was a couple of issues ago. Two keys to getting one for a bargin price, try to purchase from an individual instead of a a used tractor dealer and look for a very basic tractor with just the features you know you need.

          • Granny Mae

            One of the tings my husband is finding and everyone should be aware of is that there are certain materials that disintigrate with alcohol.One thing is the permatex used in sealing gaskets on the care motor and also some small hoses used in things like the vacuume hose of the car. So if you start having problems be sure to check them. Since all of these fuels contain alcohol please be aware. My husband has been working with cars and motors all of his life. It is his hoby so he has learned a few things. This alcohol thing has really gotten his attention since they started putting ethenol in the gasoline. We have found it is not only effecting our cars but also our other equipment that we use that run on gasoline !

          • independant thinker

            Granny Mae, It depends on the age of the vehicle (which you probably know just forgot to mention). Newer vehicles are designed to run on a gas-alcohol mix but older ones like your 57 definately will have problems if care is not used in selecting gasket material, hoses, etc.

      • Granny Mae

        Independant thinker,

        We have done just that. My husband has restored a 57 Chevy. However we also have a garage that is all metal and anything inside should be protected from an EMP burst as it will act as a feraday cage ! People can also put their cell phones and radios and small things in a large metal garbage can as long as what is inside is up off the bottom on a non metal object and the rest doesn’t touch the sides. We have somethings of importance stored that way already. As for gas for the car, we don’t plan to do much traveling , only in cases of emergency! Other wise we will have to go on horseback or horse and wagon ! We will have to go into survival mode and eat different. More on a rationed bases and measured amounts. There will be no running to the Wal-Mart store for next to nothing ! We will not be living as we do now, things will be a lot different ! When you have to start rationing out your meals the first thing that is going to happen is you will feel hungry all the time. Even if you really aren’t you will think you are because it will be a psycologicle thing in your head ! It is going to take some time to adjust to it ! If you keep eating as you are use to your food storage won’t last as long and you will be running out ! We have a lot of things to keep in mind !

      • independant thinker

        An old tractor especialy a disel one could make emergency transportation as well. I have one and the only thing even close to electronic on it is the low fuel light and headlights. It is slow as hell and not very comfortable but would get me where I wanted to go. A person could build some kind of box or other container to hold anything you needed to carry especialy if you have a carry platform that fits your three point hitch as I do.

  • guyb

    WOW!!!! Maybe we can spray bug killer on those white house roaches???? Remember,a white house roach is very hard to get rid of,they make excuses,blame BUSH,lie right to your face after making big promises and worst of all, they become big spending bugs after less than one term in office… Nov is coming….

    • Granny Mae

      guyb

      Oh if it were only that easy. It’s not just the White House we have to be concerned with it is the guy behind the White House ! George Soros ! We need some powerful spray for that roach !

  • CJM

    All well and good, Peggy Layton, but what do you suggest to those among us who do not have food to store, let alone maintain a daily supply to keep the body going? Believe it or not, there is starvation in the US and many of those do not “qualify” for “public assistance.”

    • independant thinker

      Do like I did. Start small. Purchase two cans of tuna instead of one then you replace the one you use keeping the other in reserve. over a period of time you can build up at least a small supply this way. I know it is difficult because I have “been there done that” but by taking small steps you can make headway. Another thing you can do is learn to preserve food so that if/when you get a chance to get something for free or at a really good price you can preserve the excess.

      • Dan az

        independant thinker
        the food banks are a good source all you need to do is show up every week to collect it.It also supplies dog and cat food.

        • independant thinker

          Very true Dan. I do not use them personally because I can afford to buy what I need by careful shopping. I leave the food pantreys for those who truely need them. If I were in the position to truly need them I would not hesitate to go there though. As I have stated elsewhere I have access to a salvage goods store run by a Mennonite/Amish family and the prices are half or less what you would pay in the regular store many and times it is name brand items. There is also a Con-Agra outlet store in the area we go to. They have some canned and dry foods plus lots of frozen dinners. We stock up on both when we go there but are careful to not keep too many frozen meals on hand at any one time since you need to be able to use them up in a few days if the electricity is out for an extended time. A generator is probably the next item on our major purchase list for that reason.

    • libertytrain

      I think Independent Thinker may have valid points as to what one can do.

    • Granny Mae

      CJM,

      I had that in my own family. In fact it was my son and he was so embarassed that he wouldn’t come to us and tell us. He got layed off and I thought he was drawing unemployment but come to find out he was cheated out of it! He didn’t want to tell us. It wasn’t untill I saw my son and grandson had been loosing weight that I asked my grandson what was up and he told me that they were going without except for eating a bowl of cereal over here or getting a sandwich or a cup of coffee. He was refused any help from welfare and the only thing I can think of is that this state was over burdened with requests for help. That is when I told him we don’t go for help except to our family. We had to tke care of him for a little over a year before he could find a job. He is working now but at minimum wage so things still aren’t back to normal but we are working together to get him back on his feet and he is helping us with the gardening and taking care of the animals etc. We don’t need welfare ! All we need is God almighty !

      • Granny Mae

        CJM
        I can tell you that the only thing I can think of is to really look for the sales. No matter what it is if it is on sale that is where you buy. I set a certain price that I refuse to go over when I’m buying meat. I won’t buy any kind of meat that is over $2.50 a pound ! I don’t need to tell you we eat a lot of hamburg. I have found after raising 5 hungry boys, that I can stretch the meat farther by making casserols or speghetti or beanie weinies. A package of hotdogs sliced to about 1/4 inch and mixed with the beans and a simple salad goes a long way ! I also had to try to pay off some bills and that wasn’t easy either. I took the smallest and paid it off first and then put that money with what I paid on the next bill and got it paid off. When it came to the third bill I put all the money from the previous two bills with the money for the third bill and got it paid off sooner. That was hard and we did suffer through that but once it was done we were a lot better off. When it comes to my family I have no shame and I will ask for what ever I can get except welfare ! Those people own you when you get their help and all of a sudden they are telling you what to do. Not for me ! I have gone to a food bank a couple times and got a helping hand but that was it. That was through a Church, which is what I think it should be anyway. I never refuse food of anykind when it is offered to me even today. In fact I have a friend that just came back from a apple festival in the north and she got some apples for me bless her heart. They will go to make apple sauce and apple butter. I had to laugh though today, the young man that delivers our gas came to fill the tank and while he was here I offered him some eggs free ! He turned them down saying I don’t eat breakfast ! I guess he thinks you can only eat eggs for breakfast. Whats wrong with boiled eggs, and deviled eggs and creamed eggs on toast for supper ? Or even fried eggs for supper? My new chickens are going nuts right now laying and I’m getting over a dozen a day ! I have 9 dozen in the fridg. and can’t give them away! CJM if you lived by me I could fill you up on eggs and show you how to use them for a lot of things. I could even show you how to stretch everything from potatoes to meat. I have had a lot of practice ! I never throw anything out. All the left overs, even if it is a little dab no more than a teaspoon full is saved either in the fridg. or in the freezer till the end of the week and then it goes into soup, stew or a casserol. I grew up poor and my mom could come up with ideas for everything so I learned from her. I wish you lived close by I could show you a lot of things that would help. Hang in there.

        • Granny Mae

          by the way, home made pizza is good with sliced hotdogs on it too ! I make my crust out of bisquick and it is real good. A cheap meal for sure.

          • Dan az

            Granny
            chineese food is really cheap its about $2 a meal

          • Granny Mae

            Dan,

            Yes it is and it is good. Some people that aren’t use to it though have a hard time feeling full on it though. As for me I love it ! I make it at least once a week. I especially like egg drop soup and hot and sour soup ! YUM, YUM ! Oh and those little dumplings too !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Granny Mae,
            Take your hotdogs or even smokeys(coctail sausages) and mix them into the mac n cheese! My kids have loved that forever!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H

            I have too. In fact I even put a little chopped up green pepper in with it all and my son and grandson loved it ! I like hotdoge most any way you fix them !

    • independant thinker

      One other suggestion, if you have a back yard sacrafice part or all of it to plant a garden for vegatables to eat and can. If you live where you do not have a yard try to find a public gardening space near you. I know some places have them on empty lots or other undeveloped space. You could possibly use a front yard for growing at least a few veggies as well.

      • Granny Mae

        independant,
        I have done that for years. When we lived in the city half of my backyard went into a garden and I also included vegetables into my front yard landscape! I had cabbage growing in the front yard and up close to the house between two windows I planted some corn and then flanked it with some bush beans and in front of that I had radishes. My brother-in-law had come from Mississippi to visit and when he went back home he left a pair of old boots. I called him and offered to send them too him but he said not to bother because they were old and he needed to get a new pair anyway so I filled them with potting soil and planted hot pepperes in them and set them beside the front steps ! They were quite a conversation piece. I gave my brother-in-law a hot foot ! I have planted tomatoes in big buckets and beets in some old long planters I found and i even planted okre in a big flower pot. I had a lot of okra ! My husband built a rabbit hutch with a place for a male and female rabbit in the back yard and I raised rabbits too and at one time I even had three chickens in some big cages in the back yard and the chicken poo was composted and went on the garden ! All this and we were right in the heart of town ! One block from the main drag ! Where there is a will there is a way! Believe it or not I have even picked the store dumpsters but I don’t suggest that because you have to be real careful and know what you are doing or you can get sick and die . We happened to live across the street from the store and could see when they brought the stuff out and then we only picked from the middle and only what could be washed off with soap and water, like apples and squash and cucumbers and such. But I don’t recomend it !

        • independant thinker

          Good points Granny, My post was for CJM but you have done a much better job of showing how to accomplish it. When I lived in town I was fortunate enough to have a large back yard so putting in a garden was no problem. Before he passed away we went to church with a man who worked with one of the local food pantries and he would occasionaly bring things that for whatever reason the pantry could not use. Since it was free I got to try many new things that I otherwise might not have tried.

          Another thing people can do is look for food salvage stores. We are fortunate enough to have one run by a Mennonite/Amish family just down the road from us that we shop at regularly and we get some real deals there.

          One other thing, Honey is supposed to be one of the best foods to store for emergencies. Not only is it a good source of energy and a good sweetner it is supposed to keep practicaly forever without spoiling. If it tries to go “sugery” just heat it up and it is good as new.

          • libertytrain

            Independent – thanks to posts like yours about honey, I was able to warm up some to use instead of sugar (I suddenly found I had none) when baking bread and rolls last week. Put it in the microwave for a bit to get it softened to take enough out – worked just fine.

          • Granny Mae

            Independant,
            I think what happens is when a person gets thrown suddenly into a situation where they have lost their job or have had a long illness or what ever the crisis may be and there is not enough money to pay bills and buy groceries and this has never been a way of life for them before, they get shocked and depressed and can’t see the road to travel or how to go down that road. Having been in that situation since I was born I can tell you that people finally get up one morning and get their feet under them and start figureing out what they have to do to start climbing out of the hole they were thrown into. I cannot stress enough to get pad and paper and figure how much you have to spend on groceries. That usually isn’t very much so you will have to start eating foods that aren’t normally on your menue. This is usually a shock to the mind. Don’t waste time thinking about it this is the time to get over it and do what you have to do and not what you wish you could do. Look for things that you can feed the intire family on. For instance, I got up one morning and I had no money and no food to feed myself and five hungry little boys. My husband was across the state working in a new job looking for a place for us to rent and I was left home to care for the kids. He couldn’t get home on the weekend as usual so there was no money for groceries and I had a week to go to feed the kids. I was in a panic. It was my 13 year old that gave me the solution. He and his brother walked around the streets and picked up pop bottles and turned them in and brought the money home to me so I could go buy some food ! I had just enough at that time to get three boxes of mac and cheese and a half gal. of milk ! That fed us that night and I called my mom and asked her if she could send me $20.00 to take care of us till Jim got home. She wired me some money and it took care of us till my husband made it home the next week-end. He had found us a home to move into and we packed up and moved that night. Things were ruff for about two years and that is when I decided it would never happen again and it never has ! It has still been tuff but we have not gone hungry since. I have learned to eat what I can get and it is usually the cheapest I can find. I put away every thing I can. I shop and every chance I get I buy two of something and stash one and eat the other. I have learned to make something out of nothing at times. I have even made soup out of catsup ! I start with some water and then add some catsup. Then I start looking for what ever I can find. A little dried onion left in the bottle in the cupboard, a left over hotdog gets sliced length wise in half and those halves get halfed and then sliced and added to the soup. If there is a dab of vegetable in a little container that goes in. a little salt and garlic powder a wilted stalk of celery shopped up and in the soup.. I throw in a hand full of rice the left over gravy in the fridg. What ever I can find goes in and then I set it to simmer. In the mean time I mix up some flour , baking powder , a little margarine and some water or milk if I have it and make a stiff dough and drop it by spoonfuls on to the bubbling broth and cook for 10 minutes then I put the lid on the pot and continue to cook for another 10 min. Then we have some soup and dumplings. When you are real hungry it is like a feast. Don’t ever throw out any little dab of anything. Put it in a container in the fridge or freezer and keep it for just such an occasion. You can add a left over spoonful of pork and beans and a spoon of mac and cheese, left over spaghetti what ever you have. To many people do see the purpose of saving that dab and they throw it out. All those little dabs together can feed your family a meal. I have taken 5 eggs that were left and a can of canned milk and made creamed eggs and served it over homemade biscuits and filled a hungry belly. I have taken three left over cooked potatoes and chopped them up in a pan with some onion and a couple left over bread heels, I never throw them away either, I dampen the bread a little and break it up in the pan with the potatoes add salt and pepper and a little onion and you have what my great grandma use to call company potatoes. If you save your bacon grease in a container in the fridge you can fry those potatoes in the bacon grease and it gives them a wonderful flavor. A little onion added in it is good too ! Just You have got to think out of the box and people will do just fine. It isn’t hard to start a food storage it just takes patients and determination. Some people may have to let a bill go so they can do this but prioritys are water, food and shelter, and medicine. Those things come first and then the bills. If your shelter is too expensive then you have no choice but to look for something less expensive and walk away. It isn’t your fault it is the times and you do what you have to do to get by and take care of your family and yourself ! Hard decissions but most of us have to make them or have had to make them at some time. It is what it is !!!

          • libertytrain

            Granny Mae you are a treat to read. I recall a time in our life when I felt at the bottom and declared to myself right then and there I was going to help us up and out and we have never seen bottom again since, but IF I do, I know I won’t fret much, just begin again.

          • Granny Mae

            I’m not speaking to anyone inparticular just to anyone interrested.
            Libertytrain, I have hone stored too. I have used it for years even for medicinal purposes. My problem is I can’t keep my husband out of it!!! He eats oatmeal most mornings and puts honey in it along with peanutbutter, if you can imagine ! He loves it, I have never felt the urge to try it !!! LOL !

          • Granny Mae

            Independant, and libertrain,

            For those out there that may stumble across this blog , I think the ideas and experiences we have had and shared here could be of some help and encouragment to them. Independant, I know where there is a salvage food store too but darn it, it is too far away for me to go too. I hardly ever go that way or that distance so I can’t take advantage of it, but a friend of mine does. She lives close by it and shops there all the time ! I will tell you this though, I have done a lot of dumpster diving in my day. A friend of mine and I use to go everyday and got some real bargins. I even got her in the dumpster one night and drove off as though I was going to leave her . She never batted a eye, she just kept serching !! LOL ! Another time she was leaning over into a dumpster trying to get a box out and she fell in head first with her feet sticking out and just a kicking ! I was laughing so hard I couldn’t pull her out and along came a policeman ! He said “is there a problem here?” She yelled out “OH hell no I just do this for my health. Get me out of here !” That policeman started laughing about as hard as I was and it took the two of us to finally get her out. It was a sight ! We talked for a few minutes and the cop told her he would suggest that she bring a step stool with her in her car when she was going to look FOR BOXES ! He knew what we were doing but at that time she really was looking for a box !

    • Candy

      Oh dear! I can’t stand for someone to go hungry. My suggestion: get rid of this expensive Internet which will give u at least $600 a year to buy food. That will go a long way to help. As u are proficient with computers, try finding a JOB using your Internet time & your computer skills to bring home some extra money. No one wants to give their hard earned money to those who can always find excuses for why they don’t work as hard as the rest of us. It seems that a lot of Americans don’t want to take care of themselves. They want the rest of us, who do work, to do it. People are tired of these freeloaders and are going to do something about it.

      • Granny Mae

        Candy,

        Thanks for the post. You have said it all !

  • Carol

    45Caliber: Will vehicles work ? And what is this about waves ? I’ve heard of HAARP and all, is this part of it ? How can we protect ourselves from hearing that ?

    • 45caliber

      Carol:

      The EMP wave is electro-magnetic particle wave. It is basically an energy blast front from a nuke or solar sunspots. (EMP from the sun is usually low enough to not cause problems – but it can and has in the past.) Most electronics take power in the micro-watt stage so the energy in this overloads any electronics even if they are turned off. So if your car requires a computer to run as all newer ones do, your car won’t work until you replace the parts. And all stored parts will be fried too. If you have an antique car, it will work fine. There is some fear of ariel nuclear blasts since the wave would spread further than from a ground blast. That is what the major fear of Iran’s nukes would be. Without electronics, you would have no electricity either.

      This would mean it would be hard to travel (on foot, bicycle, or horse), water would run out as soon as your storage tank did, and food would run out since no more could be brought in. Since most families have only about a week’s worth of food and stores stock no more than one week’s worth, it means that any area to receive this would run out of food and possibly water rather quickly, leaving everyone to starve.

      However anyone outside the EMP wave area could still use their own electronics, so anyone who had a car could drive by to see how well you are getting along without food without any problems. And I can just see the news media doing just that.

      • shumana

        How about ’60′s vintage cars with alternators, well they fry??

        • Granny Mae

          I have heard not ! but I don’t know for sure.

        • 45caliber

          They shouldn’t be harmed at all. It is basically the diodes and transistors that fry.

  • Carol

    I can’t get very prepared, as I have little money. I live off social security. I’m worried sick for my adult single kids and my grandchildren who are 13 and up, I am burdened to provide for them but we are all poor. Are we simply to die, because we can’t prepare all this stuff that you all are stating we need ? I barely survive as it is.
    I went to the Dr.’s today and I’ve lost 8 lbs in a month and I’m not trying, though I’m glad I lost it. Then I have heard about the Russians which have already landed since May in San Diego California, they are also in Nashville TN, Miami, Fl to quell citizen uprising. They will most likely be herding us all to the FEMA camps for extermination, so what good is it to do us to store all this up if they are coming for us and dragging us our of our homes at night ? We can’t possibly run and pack all our food and things to try to escape. So my question is what is the answer ?

    • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

      Keep a low profile…if things begin to get crazy, stay in the house and don’t get involved with any group demonstration. Buy a police scanner at Radio Shack and you will be forwarned when they are in your neighorhood. You may just have to pack up the car and leave with your family, forgetting your supplies. Sad but true.
      I can’t believe we are at this point in our country. Do you?

    • 45caliber

      If you are elderly, you probably won’t be able to do much. Storing some dried beans and rice is probably within your budget if you do it a little at a time. It would be best to store things in a good container if you can find such to keep out mice, etc. If you remember Revelations in the Bible, it comments about everyone trying to run to the mountains for shelter and woe to the woman who is pregnant. This is why. You can also store water in milk jugs if they aren’t in the sun. The moment something like this does occur, fill your bathtub with water to drink (keep it clean of soap!) before others drain it all. Once it happens, I doubt if any radio will work so you will be without information too. Stay in your house and keep it locked. Don’t let others see you. If you can work outside, you might consider a garden or simply plant some vegetables in pots in a window area for long term. If you can afford a cheap gun and some bullets that will give you a little protection if someone breaks in. You can sometimes find one at a pawn shop.

      I know what you mean about worry for your children. I worry about mine too. The only real thing you can do is try to stockpile some stuff and teach your children how to take care of themselves and why.

    • Granny Mae

      Carol,

      There is no need to panic! The Russians have not landed and they are not here to round us up. Someone gave you false information. Do you get food stamps? If you do then you can do a little to put away for the tuff times. The tuff times I speak of are not a war or people coming after you it is the possible collapse of our economy ! So now is the time to prepare, not panic. What you can do is this. Go to a dollar store and pick up a 2 lb. package of beans. If they don’t have a 2 lb. package then you will get 2 one pound bags and look for a large bottle of dried onions on the spice shelf, next look for some Raman noodles and two cans of spam. Take these home and put them aside in a safe place where no-one will get into them. This is the beginning of your storage. The next time you go to the grocery store you will pick up 2 cans of tuna fish and a large pkg. of egg noodles and 2 cans of cream of mushroom soup or cream of celery soup. This goes in your stash too. You now have the makings for three meals. One bag of beans made into soup with added dried onion and a can of span cut up in it at the last couple minutes. Next you have the fixings for tuna noodle casserol and then with the Ramen noodles you can make them up for individual servings and take a slice of spam and dice it up with the noodles. Once you start thinking in terms of making meals with canned foods and dried foods you will be surprised what you can put away even though you didn’t think you could afford it. Also learn to make your bread and biskits from scratch and corn bread too. It takes very careful planning and shopping to pull this off. You have to plan everydays meal and go to the store with a shopping list and do not stray from the list. Don’t take children shopping with you when you shop. They can spend you out of house and home ! You must shop the specials and be sure they are a special and not a gimmic.I don’t know if they have a SAVE-A-LOT where you live but they have one where I live. I shop there all the time. They have a lot of prices that are better than the regular stores. I have shopped there long enough that I know what I like of their brands and what I don’t. I feed my son and my grandson and we are on Social Security and I have a very small pension. $150.00 a month . It doesn’t amount to much but it is better than nothing at all. I do get the news paper so I can see the adds of all the stores. I shop those adds. I make a list for each store and I get only what is on the list except when I come across a in store special that isn’t advertised in the paper. I don’t use coupons because I don’t usually buy the main brands. A coupon for .10 cents off the price of the major brand is usually not as much as what I save buying an off brand. Let me tell you another way I save. I buy good plastic bags when I buy them and then I wash them and reuse them. I do the same with aluminum foil. I buy only heavy duty foils and when I use it to cover something and I don’t need it for that again I smooth it out on the cupboard and wash it off and fold it carefully and put it in a drawer. The next time I need a piece of foil I get it out of the drawer and use it again ! I also don’t use paper napkins. I use cloth and wash them when I’m done and reuse them over and over again.
      There are many ways to save when you just sit down and think about it. Some people scoff at the things I do but I don’t care, they don’t have to pay my bills I do. So keep your chin up and just take it a step at a time and you will succeed ! Most of all don’t panic. God bless !

      • independant thinker

        As usual you have many good points Granny Mae. I would suggest people not automaticly discard shopping with coupons though, just be aware of whether the savings is greater using the coupon or purchasing the generic/store brand and purchase accordingly. I do agree the name brand with coupon is usualy still more expensive but occasionaly it will be cheaper especialy if the name brand happens to be on sale.

        • Granny Mae

          That is true. I went into one of our local stores one day and there in one of the end coolers they had a special. You could get four different things for the price of one ! One time it was pizza . You could buy the pizza and get some chicken fingers and a quart of icecream and a two liter bottle of Coke and one other thing all for the price of the pizza ! Another time they had cereal and milk and two other things for the price of the large box of cereal ! I did take advantage of that !

        • Granny Mae

          independant,

          I just happened to remember being at the store no so very long ago and a young woman was ahead of me and she was doing the coupon thing and she had it down to a tea. She bout over a $100.00 WORTH OF GROCERIES AND ONLY PAID SOMETHING LIKE $10.00. I was fascinated. I have never been able to do that ! Coupons are good if you know how to use them. The way she did it was to shop only the specials and she had coupons for everything she bought, but she also was not shopping out of a need but with a list and only the specials. She had her groceries already stored at home and then could take advantage of the specials with her coupons. By doing that she could save a lot of money.

  • http://none sean moor

    I am afraid that i and my family are in trouble.I dont know a damm thing about how to survive on my own,in these conditions.My family memebers ARE idiots.I tried talking to them.sharing the information with them.some are not having it.one of them thinks he knows it all.BUT DOESNT!!! im lazy.lack motivaton. I am thinking of seeing if i can make some room in my bedroom.The garage is out of the question.but like one person wrote here.what is the point? if the devils,send their lap dogs(police and military)after us.put us in fema camps.whats the points?? GOD DOES NOT CAREABOUT US!!!

    • 45caliber

      God does care. But things like this are caused by man, not God, and man has free will. So continue to pray. If they do come, fight back if you can. I know some liberals will disagree but it is better to fight for the freedom of others, knowing you will die, than it is to try to live as a slave. Particularly when they will exterminate everyone they don’t feel to be useful, the same way Hitler did in WWII. If you can take a few with you, sooner or later, they will run out of people to send to others. That’s why many of us have stated we will NOT give up our guns!

      “There are worse things than dying while fighting for freedom. And if you don’t fight, you will find out what every one of those things are!” Hemmingway

    • Vicki

      God DOES care. But free will is a promise that God WILL NOT break. To those who use their free will to pray and prepare, God will show ways to survive.

    • shumana

      God Cares!! You have been given warning and time to prepare. Be sure to take advantage of it.

    • Christin

      sean and others who say “what’s the point”,

      Well, If they come to do house searches and/or take us away during Martial law, it probably won’t be right away. So you will need to take care of yourself for awhile or you will starve. It could be weeks or months until they do house searches and get to yours. That is why you need to prepare and store food.
      Stay strong.
      Stay alert.
      Strength in numbers.
      Stay with God.

    • Granny Mae

      sean moor,

      You have a good idea about making room in your bedroom for a little food storage. A pkg. of beans a bag of rice and som Ramen noodles could be a start. Some pkgs of dry soup and a couple cans of Spam, or corned beet and tuna and ham etc. Would be good to have on hand. If you use canned goods by al means make sure that you have a can opener. You can also get some small bottles of bottled water to store in your closet. Don’t argue with your family just quietly put away you foods. You might also buy some cans of insure, to put away and they will contain a lot of vitamins and amino acids you will need for good health. Insure is a meal in a can and very good for us elderly. Put away what you can and pray daily and ask for Gods protection and give thanks that you are able to do what you can.

  • http://none sean moor

    We have been created for the slaughter,by an “ALL LOVING,CARING GOD” this shit was planned from the begining of time.

    • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

      Only because man/woman ate the apple against God’s instructions.
      Blame on SATAN. When will people realize that man is evil, it says so many times in the Bible…

      • asmithington

        Cal, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9)

    • Vicki

      You have been gifted with free will. You choose to be here for slaughter. Or not.

    • spike

      This is untrue Sean Moor. Before we are “slaughtered” God has promised to snatch us up to himself in a “twinkling of an eye” the only ones who will have to worry about being slaughtered are the ones who don’t accept Jesus as their saviour and believe. Keep watch. He’s coming. God is FAITHFUL. when he promises; HE DELIVERS.

      • Christin

        spike,
        AMEN!

    • spike

      Did you not read the New Testament, sean moor? Why did Jesus come?
      because our God is all loving and caring. It’s your choice to believe what he did or not.

      • asmithington

        Spike, AMEN! Thank you for being a faithful Christian and getting out the truth, every way we can, to the multitude of lost all around us. We must all speak His truth of Salvation through faith in Christ ALONE and not get distracted by the cares and worries of this world, that will soon pass. Time is short. Let us shout from the rooftops, God’s free gift of Salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

  • asmithington

    Before things get REALLY bad, Jesus Christ will have come to take away all those who have sincerely trusted in Him ALONE (not religion) for their salvation. If you really want to be prepared, think about your eternal destiny…TODAY, while there is still time. Stock up on this.

    • http://personalliberty.com CALWEST

      Remember the story of the 6 bridemaids and oil lamps…
      I repeat, the Lord has given us a brain to try and outsmart this one-world-government that is fast approaching. Don’t throw your hands up and say God will take care of everything WITHOUT me having to plan for the future. God will always be our COMPASS; but it doesn’t hurt to have a map too…
      “Chance favors the prepared mine” Luke 5:16

      “In that day, it will be as if a man is running away from a lion
      only to come face to face with a bear” Amos 5:19

      • asmithington

        I agree. We should be as prepared as possible, but not to the point of paranoia. God has His timing in ALL things and we should learn to trust Him FIRST. I do not believe it is too late for honest citizens to try and correct the blatantly corrupt situation our dying country is in. We should not give up without a fight. If more of our leaders TRULY sought God’s wisdom in making decisions, we MAY be able to climb out of this mess. As too your scripture reference, I am confused by your Luke 5:16 quote. The lesson in the parable of the 10 virgins is to be prepared by having the indwelling Holy Spirit of God in our hearts (oil in scripture is symbolic of the Holy Spirit), not material things. 5 were wise and were TRULY saved. (Matthew 25:1-13) My point is that we should make sure we are TRULY saved, FIRST, THEN go out and try to correct the world’s ills and stock up on food. Do not put the cart before the horse.

        • Christin

          asmithington,
          Well said.

        • Granny Mae

          asmithington,

          You have it right ! God gave us all the things we need to prepare for hard times. He gave us his salvation and the brains to prepare and take care of ourselves. There is no need for panic and I don’t believe that anyone is going to come to take us away. They may take what we have but they won’t take us away. Please trust in the Lord and he will direct our path.

          • asmithington

            “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. (Proverbs 3:5-6)

          • Granny Mae

            You got it !

            God bless us every one !

  • spike

    Calwest: I believe what you are referring to is the 8 wise virgins and the 8 foolish virgins. 8 wise virgins brought extra lamp oil, and trimmed their lamps waiting for the bridegroom. The other 8 did not. Be wise, and watch for the bridegroom, HE IS COMING!!!

  • http://YouTube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcut

    Peggy made a very good point when she wrote,”Gather a 3-month supply of any prescription medications you can’t do without, plus any over-the-counter medications you use regularly;”

    It might be a good idea to find out from you doctor, if he will tell you, what other drugs to use, if any, should the supply be cut off completely. or better still learn how to weed yourself off all the drugs you take now. And don’t start ever again if you do suceed and live through the experience of withdrawl. Druges, might just as well forget their habit because there woun’t be anyone to supply them with drugs like Cocane and mare-you-wanta.

    A very good and trusted Durgist friend once confided to me that he was told by his suppliers that a bottle of ASA or Vitimens or Lipitor or almost any drug that had a YEAR OLD EXPIRY date on it was still 95% effective and potent. And, that after 10 years it was still 50%. That means that it looses about 5% per year. Don’t throw it away until its 15 years old. Don’t go wide and clean out those old durgs in the medicne cabinet because they could save or extend someone live. Maybe yours or someone in your own family or a neighbour….

    Someone with a splitting headache might trade a potato or two for a old Tynol pill..

    Larry

    • Granny Mae

      Larry,
      This is very true. I have stocked some of my meds. that I know will keep. Also have a good supply of aspirin and such. Good advice !

  • Howie

    Hey Everybody, I’ve read about everything you all are preparing to do and all the things you are storing up and putting back for hard times. There is one thing that I haven’t seen mentioned which is a very real nessesity and that is “toilet paper.” So by all means don’t forget the TP.

    • Granny Mae

      Howie,

      Yes it is very important and usually forgotten by a lot of people, that and sanitary napkins for women and diapers for babies. Good thinking !

  • http://PersonalLibertyAlert Elizabeth

    I agree with Peggy and have begun the process of storing up. Where do I store my food when I live in a very hot and humid climate? Winter is the right temperature in my spare room but in Summer even the air conditioned rooms are not in the temperature range suggested and have high humidity. This leads to a lot of spoilage. Any suggestions? I have a bug out bag for hurricanes where I keep a 3 month supply of medicines, etc.

    • independant thinker

      Start small where it will be easy to rotate your food in storage and keep it fairly fresh. Do not open original packages until you are ready to use them and store more of the things you have the least trouble keeping. Even if you can only store only a couple of months supply you will be ahead of most folks.

  • Dan az

    People you are getting way ahead of your selves Yes there will be marshal law but you have to remember we way out number them there is 350 million armed civilians against about 30 million of them thats less than ten percent if you think about it there is noway they can cover that much ground with so little people and as for everyone of us that takes out a couple of them it will be over before it even gets started.The odds for them are really poor and they know it.So stop stressing and the odds that you will even fire a shot are small compared to them even makeing it through the first weeks alive.If you look at the size of our nation and compare it to europe you would see why hitler couldnt do it let alone a bunch of blue nato wantabees.Our military is not going to stand by a watch us be driven into camps let alone be exterminated.Each state has its own military bases with everything that is need to wipe out any foreign troops where ever they try to take over its just that simple ask your children if they would take up arms against foriegn troops or their families I think you get the picture.

    • HangmansKnot

      What is being done about the invasion from the south? Some 15 to 30 million troops have poured in over the last 15 years. If that is not an invasion what is? If that many US citizens moved into Canada in the same time, Canada would stop the flow before the new ones took over and made the Commune of the North back into a working society.

    • Granny Mae

      Dan az,

      I don’t know exactly what is going to happen but we will be prepared and do what is necessary to do when the time comes. I hate to think of what could be but I and my family are prepared to do what ever is necessary. I will pray that we never have to go so far as to kill anyone for our own well being, but people will do what people have to do when the S.H.F. Pray God it never goes that far !

  • Bobbi Says

    Okay. I just watched the November 5th “15 days till collapse” show. I’ve been watching Glen since he first got on Fox. I love him and trust all that he’s found, since I HAVE done my own homework too.
    Here’s the problem(s)–all advice taken!
    My husband and I live in North Central Florida. I have been disabled for six years (age 57) and he was just recently laid off from his long-time job. Not a good situation. Money is tight and we have no place that, if the air conditioning was not working, would ever go under 70 degrees, let alone 40-50 degrees. Our house is just over 1,000 square feet and is wood. Where and how do we start, with this set of circumstances? Any ideas, folks? We have NO living room closet, no den closet. We have only one bedroom walk-in closet, filled with our clothes. When I say it’s a tiny home that just holds our existing stuff (and I”m an organized neat-o type) where do we put supplies and where do we get the money? I have a personal line of credit with $2,500 left on if but THAT’S IT other than an roughly $1,900 coming in monthly for all our bills. HELP WITH IDEAS. Thank you everyone and God Bless.
    P.S. GLEN ROCKS!!!!
    Bobbi Casper

    • Granny Mae

      Bobbi,

      I live in north central Florida too ! Here is what to do. First you have to work with what you have. I live in a double wide and it isn’t a real big one either. First you can make space by raising the beds a couple inches with wood blocks! I did that and had my husband make little indentations in the middle of the block so the bed didn’t get a mind of it’s own and move off the blocks. Get a small dehydrator and seal-a-meal from the second hand store if you can or go to Wal-Mart! you can make a lot of your own dehydrated foods with that and seal them in the seal-a-meal label and date them and put them in a five gallon bucket with a snap on lid. You can get these from Lowe’s or Home Depot. Buy a large bag of rice and put it in your freezer for several days to a week. If you don’t have a big freezer then make room for it in the freezer of your fridg. Keep it there for several days to a week to make sure all the little unseen weevils are dead! Then take it out and measure out portions the size that you would use for a meal seal it in the seal-a-meal and label it rice and the measurement so you will know how much water you will have to add when ready to use it. Also put the date on it and put it in your bucket ! You could also add a couple bouillion cubes if you like. You can also store pasta and such in big cans or glass jars! Under your bed that you have just raised you should place a sheet of plywood. It doesn’t have to be thick just a barrier between your storage and the floor. Place boxes of canned goods and canned meats on the plywood and stash it under the bed. Make sure you have a bed skirt to cover the storage and no-one will know it is there. If you have a linen closet you can have your husband place a shelf on the wall over the door in the bathroom and place the bath towels and wash cloths on it and if you make it large enough or can put a second shelf over the top of the first shelf you can store bathroom tissue on it. Take the extra space in the linen closet and use it for food storage. Next you can stack buckets one on top of the other and place a round piece of plywood on top and cover it with a floor length cloth and use it for a bed side table with a lamp on top or you can use it for an end table in the living room or a coffee table with a floor length cloth to cover all. Pull the couch out a little and place buckets or boxes of stored goods behind it to the top of the back of the couch and top with a long board and again a long cloth to cover and use it to display family pictures or mementos ! You can add shelving over the doors of all the bedrooms to hold sheets or blankets and free up the space for more food storage. You can make cabinets over the top ov the toilet for storing extra soap and tooth paste etc. Empty a drawer in a dresser and put it in another place and use the drawer for storage. Look to raising the couch and chair like the bed and store canned goods under it ! Lots of things like bleach and laundry soap can be stored in a storage shed. I put mine in metal garbage cans first and then store them. Keep all food in the house or in a air conditioned storage shed but never in the heat! You can also store your water in the shed or on a covered car port. I have a base for my washing machine and dryer that I keep my stored plastic bags and foil etc. I purchased a couple extra cabinets and found a place to put them in my kitchen and I store dried onion and soup mix and syrup etc. in it. I put a small wire basket on the inside of my cabinet door to my pots and pans and that is where I store packets of chili mix and any flavor packets that we normally use. I know of some that have made raised floors in a room or put shelving in the walls or made bunk beds for the kids with storage under them. You are limited only by your imagination . If you are serious about your food supply and emergency storage you can make room by sometimes just changing the things you normally live with. I have bought a lot of second hand furniture of the type to use for storage and brought it home and cleaned it up and painted it or refinished it and then got rid of something I had that didn’t serve me as well. Some things I got rid of were things I really liked and it was hard but I had to make a choice to keep something not so useful or something real useful ! I chose useful ! To make a lot of your food storage go to Dehydrate2store ! That gal can tell you everything you need to know about dehydrating. You don’t need the real big machine that she has. A small round one with a temp control and timer will do fine. They are far less expensive and work just as good. This can get you started ! If you need more info. just contact me at heyyou 63plus2@ gmail.com and I will be glad to help you all I can. Good luck ! God Bless !

      • Granny Mae

        By the way. My husband is also retired and I too am disabled. I am confined to a mobility chair but not restrained ! I find all kinds of ways to do what I want to do !! Where there is a will there is a way ! I find that my disability only makes me more determined and doing this emergency stuff gives me plenty to think about and do and really keeps me busy. I dehydrate and can everything I can get my hands on. My husband does the major gardening and I do a lot of container gardening. I can all year long and also dehydrate all year long. The other day my husband brought in a small squash and today I peeled it sliced it and blanched it then put it in my dehydrator and tomorrow morning I will put it in a seal-a-meal bag and seal it up, put it in my bucket and it is good to go. I also had a woman give me a big bag of green peppers in trade for some eggs I gave her, so tomorrow I will be canning stuffed peppers ! A week ago a friend brought me a large bag of apples so I got out my crock pot and made some apple butter and canned it and it too is in my storage ! I try very hard not to waste anything. I don’t do a lot of freezing for my storage. Most of those things are either dehydrated or home canned. I don’t want a full freezer if the power goes out for a week ! With the amount I have in the freezer I can, can it if need be ! If you don’t know how to can I suggest that you learn if possible. It is a lot of fun and saves a lot of money!

        • labouton

          Mae;
          What do you suggest for the storage of water. If left untreated, I’m sure bacteria, mold, algae and etc. would become abundent. I’m thinking clorine added to it would help but I don’t know for how long. It was mentioned about putting away plastic bottles of water but I wonder how long they would stay drinkable.

  • http://www.remodel-smallbathroom.com remodel small bathroom

    One minor issue is the distance it can cover – but, when you think it is only used on the farm, it has not been pushed too far over distance.

  • Momof4

    how long will boxed items like mac&cheese, rice-a-roni, pasta-roni, etc last if you vacuum seal the boxes? I just bought several boxes that were on sale for .88 cents a box and had several coupons so averaged about .40 cents per box. what is the best way to keep long term…vacuum seal the whole box or empty contents into food saver bag and throw box away?

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