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Food For Food And Food For Barter!

October 18, 2010 by  

Food For Food And Food For Barter!

If you can’t imagine being hungry in the midst of chaos then you will probably ignore this suggestion, but you won’t forget it. And it will haunt you if you fail to take action. But if you take action, just eat your stored food in the difficult years ahead.
And if the system collapses, as many predict, use your stored food for food and for barter.

I will share with you the following list of items that I have in my food storage: Salt, water in gallon jugs, Clorox and Lugols iodine for disinfecting and purifying water (six drops per gallon of water), brown and white sugar, dry beans and pastas of all kinds, chili (Bryan brand is in cans that are white inside), mayonnaise, coffee, sardines, tea, olive oil, rice, baked beans and pork and beans, cereal, canned soups, kraut, salmon, canned white tuna in water, food bars, a few frozen dinners, olives, pickles and treats (chose those you like), minimum amount of cake mix, flour, cornmeal, seasonings for cooking, dried and canned milk, all paper products, cleaning products, basic patent medicines such as cough medicine, cough drops, Tylenol®, eye drops  (remember to store any that you use on a regular basis).

One of the best foods to store is vacuum sealed dry foods of all kinds as recommended by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons). These will last for years and years. The variety was limited when we bought from them last, mainly because they focus on basics. Most Mormons can tell you where to find it, and you don’t have to be a member of their church to buy from them.

For inspiration, think of Scarlett O’Hara living on turnips after Tara had been overrun and pillaged at the end of the Civil War.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • dan az

    Most importantly is that you know your neighbors well, they all need to be on the same page as you. If not you will have problems with your survival unless you can refuse to help them out, which I know that I would help. They need to do the same as you and prepare for the worst.If you live in the city you need to be on our guard for home invasions. Food and water is your only main stay and ammunition to guard it. the more neighbors that are aware of whats coming the more protection for your neighborhood you’ll have.Communications by radio or walkie talkie is critical and when you dont have gas for that barbecue then go back to briquettes.Batteries for the flash lights if you dont produce your own electricity.Water storage in 500 gal tanks last about a week so increase your storage capacity for the long run its cheaper than you think.poly tanks that hold 2500 gal. only cost about 800 bucks which will last you about a month.Your gutters can be directed to your tanks and filtered.there wont be any water available at your sink or toilets so get a sureflow pump and and use your bath water to fill the toilet to flush.your all conservatives so conserve!Ill leave a site where you can get cheaper solar panels and supplies they also have books on how to use them.
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    • FreedomFighter

      Preparation for what may come is so important yet ignored even laughed at by most people I have spoken with about the subject. Few accept that America could ever be in a situation were being hungry because of chaos is possible, they all think “Can’t happen to me (us)”, or “The US Military/government will save us”.

      Fools all…

      These people will be the first to pillage, first to steal from each other, first to feel the effects of starvation, illness and death. A single international incident could escalate into worldwide chaos, sending economies into the toilet; fuel prices into the 20-50 dollar a gallon price range (if even available) and cause food, medical supplies and common everyday commodities to disappear.
      These same people will scream for help, beg for help and sell their very souls to Satan’s government, take the mark of the beast so they may eat a loaf of bread. Farfetched, I hope so, but maybe not. Most people cannot make a rational choice when they and their children are starving to death, wasting away from lack of medical attention and/or medication, people will do whatever it takes to save themselves and those they love.

      If the system we live under collapses even temporarily, the thin rule of law will be gone, chaos will ensue and those not prepared will suffer and cause much of the chaos because of their own lack of preparedness.

      For inspiration, think of the bible writings on the starving, they will eventually try to eat your children.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Granny Mae

        Freedom Fighter,

        I sure hope they don’t try to eat my children because they will spend the rest of their life just chewing ! LOL ! Ceriously though, you are so right. I have seen this coming for years and have tried to tell people but they turn a deaf ear ! That is OK because I know when the Lord is speaking to me and I do what he says. I have been preparing for a long time and believe it or not I am still not complete. We use from our storage to rotate it and so some of it gets used down and then I have to replace. Also have spent a lot of time honing just what to keep and what not to replace. That wasn’t as easy as I thought. I have kept some things that I discovered we don’t use that often and infact don’t seem to use unless I make a point of using it up. So I just don’t store that stuff anymore. It makes room for other things that we do use on a more regular basis. I hope people don’t do what a friend of mine did and that was to put her storage in the garage ! It is way to hot out there. She lost most of her storage except her wheat and a few things like that. It must be kept as cool as possible. Here in Florida we don’t have basements so that is out. I did see a great idea in a magazine though that I thought was a great idea. This person had a small covered trailer that he put a small window unit air conditioner in and pulled it next to his garage. In the summer he used the air and in the winter he didn’t need to in his area. It was travel ready on a moments notice ! Smart idea. I have all the main things but not all the fill in things yet. Also people need to practice with using their storage. If you don’t know how to use it , it won’t do you much good. Practice now while you can. It’s fun. I home can most everything from butter to meatballs and everything in between. I would not part with my presure canner , my dehydrator or my seal-a-meal. I use them all the time so I have even stored some bags for the seal-a-meal too! I pray that others will take heed and stock up too! Don’t forget clothing for the kids. My granddaughter is going to have twins in a few months and we have talked about the cost of disposable diapers and she has decided to use the good old fashioned cloth diapers. They are real expensive to buy at first but will save them money in the long run, plus I showed her how to make some of those diapers for herself. I guess you could say she is going GREEN ! LOL ! Good thing there are still some of us left that know how to do some of those things ! I discovered that the only kind of coffee I want to store is instant. I prefer the ground but it doesn’t store as well. In fact most of what we buy now has already been stored to it’s limit and I just don’t like the smell of it brewing. I would give my right arm for some good fresh coffee with that great coffee aroma ! My biggest problem is trying to figure out how to manage my perscription meds. You just can’t store insulin and that stuff is very expensive ! I would appreciate hearing some ideas from the rest of Ya’ll out there.

        • Granny Mae

          that is suppose to be seriously ! Sorry, but my fingers don’t follow dirrections very good !

          • independant thinker

            Granny, try Community coffee. If it is not available where you live you can get it online just look up Community Coffee.

          • Granny Mae

            Independant Thinker,

            I am going to try your suggestion. I sure do miss my good ole, coffee ! Thanks.

          • Granny Mae

            Independant Thinker,

            I put my order in a while ago. Thanks for the info. Can’t wait for that first cup of good fresh coffee ! Thanks again!

          • Granny Mae

            Independant,

            Got my coffee today and will get the cup in the morning ! Thanks !

          • Granny Mae

            Just wanted to let you all know that I sent for a book called Self-reliance Recession-proof your pantry. I got it from Backwoods Home Magazine on the internet and it is written by a woman named Jackie Clay. She is great !!!! This book is jam packed with all kinds of information and it is only $12.95. I love this book. I have highlighted several things in it and it is full of canning recipes too. I think it is well worth the money. I’m going to get a couple more for my kids and grandkids ! Get it you won’t be sorry !

        • Christin

          Granny Mae,
          Sounds like you are off to a great start.

          We have been storing food, water, paper products and medical supplies for a while now and you are right you have to try to cook what you buy so you can see how to best prepare it, otherwise, you will have a lot of “I’d rather starve” faces!

          What is a pressure canner? Is it a pressure cooker?

          What is a seal-a-meal? Is it a meal you have put in a vacuumed seal bag?

          I have canned fruit, but how do you can meat?
          I still have so much to learn.

          Wish we had basements here, too, like where I grew up or even a small fruit cellar, but no such luck. Bet if people worked together they could help each other out doing this for that neighbor and that for the other neighbor using each others skills and talents until all were pretty ready for the impending dangers.

          We must remember to stay with God and pray without ceasing. He is still in control.

          Keep up the good work, Mae.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            A pressure canner is a very large pressure cooker that is used to can foods that are not acid based, such as tomatoes and fruits. Those can be safely canned in a water bath canner. In order to can foods like vegetables and meats and fish you must use a presure canner as the internal heat does not get high enough in a waterbath canner. You can not use a regular presure cooker as the presure can not be relied on to be exact. My canner holds 7 quart jars at a time. It is advertised as having 21 qt capacity. That is liquid capacity not jar capacity. You can can in it and you can use it to cook large quantities of food fo big meal or dinners. Itr has a guage on the top that shows the pounds of presure inside the cooker as it is cooking. If you get one and I suggest you do, please read the book that comes with it. I gave my niece one for her birthday a few years ago and she tried to short cut steps and not read the book and her canned goods spoined. They didn’t seal right. She did not exaust the steam before she put the weight guage on and it went to presure to soon and did not really get to the proper heat ! She called me and I went over every step with her and we found out what she did wrong. Too bad. That is a lot of work to do for nothing ! Now she does it right and is loving listening to hear the ping of the lids when all is done. I can just about everything including bacon ! That was a fun one!
            The seala-meal is a sealing machine that you put foods in special bags and then place it in the sealer and it sucks all the air out of the bag and heat seals it. It is great for freezing meats and veggies . No more freezer burn ! Plus I use it to seal dehydrated foods. It vacuums the bags and they keep almost indefinately. I can put certain things in single serving sizes or in family serving sizes and vacuum seal them and put them in big buckets and store away. With both the canning and the sealing be sure to put the date it was done and what it is and even how to use it if necessary. You would be surprised at how different things can look to you about 8 to 10 months later ! I use my dehydrator a lot too. I have learned that you can take packages of frozen veggies and just dump them on the screens and set it at 125 degrees and dehydrate then put in seal-a-meal bags and date and label and you are good to go. I also learned that with some things that are pointed or have sharp edges you need to put them in a small plastic bag first and then in the sealing bag to keep from having puctures and leaks. I have bought 50 lb. bags of wheat and corn for very reasonable price and taken mylar bags and put them inside a big bucket with a lid and poured in the wheat or corn along with some oxygen absorbers and then fold over the top of the bag, place a board on the bucket and lay the top of the mylar bag on the board and with my trusty iron , I heat sealed it to a small opening that I inserted a plastic tube in and hooked it to my seal-a-meal machine and vacuumed the whole thing and then quickly pulled out the tube and run the iron over the area to finish sealing the bag. Put the lid on the bucket and you are good to go ! I got the buckets from Home Depot and you can also get them from Lowe’s. The corn and wheat I got at a farm store and my husband says we paid $8.50 a fifty pound bag. That was a good price. I have to say though I do not store dried beans in their dried form any more ! Beans don’t store that long until they get to where they won’t cook up soft anymore. You can cook them in a presure cooker or cook them for days and they get to the point where they just don’t get soft. The only thing I have found that you can do with these beans is to grind them in a wheat grinder and then use the bean flour to add to breads and soups. If you do that you won’t have to throw the beans away ! What I do now is take my fresh beans and soak them as for cooking and then use my canner to can them and then they are ready at a moments notice to use for anything. I store them in the jars for years that way ! I hope this has been helpful. If I can be of anymore help just let me know !

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            To explain the double bagging of dried foods in the vacuum sealer. I take quart size freezer bags and cut the zip tops off. I make them just big enough to hold one bag of veggies and then place it in the sealing bag so the top of the plastic bag is open, then I seal the whole thing as usual. The double bagging keeps the sharp and pointed food from poking through the bag when all is vacuumed down to a hard package. Also be sure to double check your bags a day or two later to make sure everything sealed properly, if it has not seald good just take it out and seal it again. I have even dehydrated speghetti sauce and then crushed it up and vacuum sealed it. I don’t know how long they will keep as it is still a work in progress. I do think that a home made sauce would be best as you could leave out the oil until you rehydrate it to use. We will see.

          • Christin

            You are a WEALTH of Knowledge!
            Thanks, Granny Mae.

  • s c

    People, you’ve seen what happens when Uncle Scam can’t or won’t come running [Katrina AND the BP fiasco]. If America’s power grid is attacked, if food producers can’t put food in stores, if our highways are damaged, if a natural disaster hits both coasts at the same time (or many other scenarios), Uncle Scam’s many “flaws” will finally be obvious to everyone.
    New Orleans is still recovering, and all of the details concerning the BP disaster will take more time to materialize. Reality is knocking on the door again people.

  • Mark Matis

    For those of you with shallow-well lawn sprinkler systems, water will be FAR less of a problem if you get one of these:
    http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_5844_5844
    (note that there are MANY similar items on the market elsewhere)

    One of those will easily supply a fairly large neighborhood with all their water needs. Do note that you will need some water to prime it before use.

  • Chuck Gilliam

    It was mentioned above about purchasing a few frozen dinners; however I do believe one of the first things we will experience is the ‘blackout’ where there is little or no electricity so buying anything that needs refrigeration should be given very little consideration if any at all. I have already started accumulating a smartly sum of canned and dried foods that literally have no expiration, and I might add that the sugars and flour, cornmeal, and cereals, I leave in their original containers, but I have those all sealed in a storage barrel, water tight and bug proof. These heavy duty poly drums can even be buried slightly underground if one chooses to be extra cautious.

    • Granny Mae

      Chuck Gilliam,
      You are right about the fridg. or freezer but I do this, I don’t fill my freezer too full. I have boxes of empty mason jars and if the freezer went out the first thing I will do is can up what is in there. I have a gas stove and a gas grill so I can use both of them when need be and I always keep my gas tank filled and have never used it all in a year so it will last us for a while and when that is gone I will use wood from my woods ! Please people learn how to can foods. It is cheaper and convient. I have 5 sons and they all know how to can and now so do their wives and my grandchildren. My 15 year old grandson is learning this year with his grandma and he is doing a good job ! He has learned to can squirels and deer and chicken and turkey and lots of things. Another hint. Place your flours and dry mixes in the freezer for 4 or 5 days befor storing. That kills any little bugs from the mills.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Granny Mae,
        I’m a 59 year old male and I can every year!! Beans, Tomatos, fruit, Grape juice, even sour kraut. I have a fifteen gal crock that I make the kraut in, my mother taught me that. Haven’t got into meats yet but I do have a book that explains it. I did try fish one year and it wasn’t bad.

        • Granny Mae

          Joe H,

          I am so glad to hear that you are canning. Wonderful ! Don’t be afraid to experiment and try new things. There will be some things you will like and some you won’t buy you will never know if you don’t try. Meats are very easy. I bought a couple big bags of chicken kegs and thighs on sale and brought them home and did them up in jars. I brought a big pot of water to boil and then placed the chicken in and cooked it for about 15 min. then I put them in jars and fill them with broth and a teasp. of salt and worked the bubbles out. Wiped the rim of the jar clean and placed a hot lid on the jar and tightened down the ring . Put them in my pressure canner that was ready with the right amount of water getting hot, placed on the lid and brought the heat up to exhaust the steam. When the pressure valve came up I counted 10 min. them put on the weight regulater and let the pressure to come up to 10 pounds and started timing from there. I don’t remember exactly how long it is, I would have to look again. I watch the pressure very carefully so it doesn’t very much past 10 pounds and never under or you have to bring it back up nd start counting all over again. Watch your pressure closely and adjust your heat accordingly. I have sometimes had to move the canner a little off the burner to keep it at the right spot. When the timer goes off turn the burner off and let the pressure come down all the way to 0. When it gets to 0 then take them out of the canner and let them cool over night. The next day check for a good seal and clean your jars and label what is in the jar and the date on the lid and put them on the shelf and you aRE GOOD TO GO ! I know a lot of men that had to teach their wives to can ! The gal that taught me was one of them. They both did so many things I couldn’t keep up ! Keep up the good work ! It’s great to hear from you !

          • Granny Mae

            please excuse the misspelled words but my fingers are not co-operating very well lately ! Sorry !

          • Granny Mae

            By the way the water I pre cook the chicken in is also broth and I can that up too for use later when I need chicken broth for something like chicken soup or chicken and dumplings ! I also can for my pets too. I use all the scraps and trimmings fom deer meat and butchering chickens etc. to can up for my cats and my son’s dog ! Hey you got to save where ever you can.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            granny Mae,
            not to worry. I have arthritis in my hands so I know what it’s like to have fingers that don’t do what you want them to do!!

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H

            It is a mother bear isn’t it?

          • Christin

            Mae & Joe H.,
            I have problems typing, too, but not from arthritis. I make so many mistakes… my fingers just don’t touch the right keys anymore.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin

            I have that trouble too! I get ahead of myself and hit keys I shouldn’t and just anything you can think of it happens with me ! Then I hit submit before I proof read so you get what you get ! LOL ! My son is always picking on me about that !

    • independant thinker

      Chuck, the key word is a few. Most any freezer will keep food for a minimum of a couple of days if it is not opened too often and a chest freezer can keep food frozen (with minimal opening) for a week or more. In two or three days you can use up T.V. dinners as long as you do not have too many and can can or otherwise preserve any frozen meats.

  • Tom

    KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!

  • Soldier

    Here is what may happen. Something collapses the system. Could be a terror attack. Could be China simply dumping the dollar en mass. The details of how a collapse might occur are trivial and pointless.

    After the collapse, people riot and do whatever they have to for food. Cities devolve into war zones. Saving lots of food will leave you better off than most until Lord Humongous and his gang find out you have quite a bit of food and decide to attack you. Having years and years of food could make you and your family quite the target… of course, I would rather have years and years of food and take the chance I could be killed for it than to not have it…

    Now this assumes total anarchy. A far more likely scenario is hard core imposition of martial law. In many ways, people could argue that martial law will become necessary unless we think its our “freedom” to let people tear each other’s throats out. Remember, our system is being collapsed by design. Anarchy is dangerous as there is a chance some communities could rediscover freedom and gain power after holding lord humongous and his biker gangs at bay. The present controllers don’t want to give up their control- temporary anarchy or not.

    Now it is important to remember that the fat waddling elitist pigs in power at the top are not going to personally opress us. Such folks as Al Bore, G.W. Bush, and Ruth VADER Ginsburg can’t be bothered from their cocktail parties to personally oppress us. No, the boot thugs will oppress us as is the case in all oppressive contries. As evil as Hitler was, Hitler didn’t personally kill 6 million Jews. He gave the orders which could have been ignored by some. No the Jews were mostly killed by young buck private nazis just following orders.

    The wild card in all this is the U.S. military. Will the military go all out and oppress the people for the Lords in power after collapse? Or will at least some factions or elements of the military stay their chain guns and fight with the people and not against the people, as they should? At best, I think this could lead to civil war as different factions of the military war with each other. Essentially one faction is military the would follow orders from the Pentagon no matter what, and another faction fights for the constitution and for the people.

    Now the bad news is that even if the factions(s) of the military that side with the people start gaining the upper hand, foreign armies could take advantage and invade us while we are weakened with civil war… Now any invasion by a foreign army ought to further unite us Americans against it, but who knows how any such scenarion would turn out…

    Buckle up because the ride is about to get rough. We are not in Kansas anymore, Todo….

    • Granny Mae

      No truer words were ever spoken !

    • independant thinker

      From what I have read from other posters and from what I know of military personal a large number would take their weapons and support the citizens against the gubment.

      • Granny Mae

        I sure hope so. If not we may be in big trouble ! Lord help us !

  • Grinch

    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

    Don’t be surprised, be prepared!

  • Joe R.

    In all of the replies there has been no mention of having some firearms and a good stock of ammo. These items along with the neede cleaning supplies should be on everybody’s list of what is needed to be prepared to survive if the well known stuff hits the fan. If you cannot defend yourself and your loved ones from the looters and other riff raff you deserve to go down with the rest of the sheep like fools who think that guns are evil and have no use in society. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

    • Cathy

      Well aware of this one Joe. I have two handguns, a .22 and a .380. Have ammo but purchasing even more, along with a shotgun.

      • CJ

        If you’re planning for self defense, I hope you get something stronger than .380. You don’t want to use the whole mag just to stop one intruder when they WILL travel in packs.

      • independant thinker

        “Well aware of this one Joe. I have two handguns, a .22 and a .380. Have ammo but purchasing even more, along with a shotgun.”

        Cathy……….the 22, if it is accurate and you can shoot it well, is a better weapon than the 380 in my opinion. Getting a shotgun is a good idea but the range is somewhat limited one for home defence should have a relatively short barrel and be 12 guage if you can handle it. In handguns a 45 ACP or 357 Magnum would be best and most people can shoot them accurately their recoil is not as bad as sometimes reported. I would also recomend you get a rifle. The SKS is a good rifle for medium range defence and is fairly inexpensive to purchase and the ammunition is also inexpensive, The 30-30 lever action rifle is another good choice as is the AR-15 rifles but both are more expensive to purchase and the 30-30 ammunition is relative expensive. For something more powerful there are some surplus Mauser bolt actions available and they are not prohibitivly expensive.

    • THIRD PARTY

      WEAPONS ARE TRULY THE ONLY THING NEEDED,ONE CAN HUNT FOR THEIR FOOD,PROTECT THEMSELVES,AND FAMILY.NONE OF THE FOODS LISTED ARE ANY GOOD FOR LONG TERM USE,THAT’S WHY FRESH FOOD BY HUNTING IS THE ONLY SURVIVAL TACTIC.

      • Soldier

        I see your point, but wouldn’t dehydrated food last awhile? I know that canned food is good for 2 years at the most…

        • Granny Mae

          Soldier’

          Yes dehydrated foods last a long time when properly stored and are inexpensive to do at home. The same is true with canned food. Commercial canned foods don’t usually last as long as home canned foods and again the canning process is easy to learn and when stored properly, cool and in the dark, they can last for 10 years or better. I have had some that I needed to use up after five years,(some fruits) because they were not kept in the dark and did show signs of aging. We are eating them up right now and they are good but just don’t look as pretty as they did when they were first done !

          • independant thinker

            Granny Mae you are correct when you say canning is easy to learn. My wife and I are self taught canners and we learned to can after we turned 60. It took us a few tries to get everything just right but the “mistakes” (failures to seal properly) just became part of that weeks menu so nothing was lost.

          • Granny Mae

            Independant Thinker,

            That is so great. I was fortunate enough to learn when I was a young newly married woman with a small income and 5 hungry little mouths to feed. A neighbor of mine helped me get started and I have been grateful to her ever since. I do large batches when I get them and I do small batches when I get them. I have taught my husband to cann too because he has to help me now that I have to do everything from a mobility chair. With his help we have done hundreds of jars just this year so far. He hates to peal pears though ! LOL ! I think it is fun to do it together and I think he enjoys it too as I really don’t get a fuss from him when I bring home something new to do up !
            I really enjoy your ideas and thoughts on things so keep them coming. Let me know how your experiments turn out as that is the way we develope new ways. Keep up the good work. By the way I’m also over 60 and my hubby is in to his 70′s so if we can do it I know some of these youngsters can !

          • libertytrain

            Granny Mae – a week or so ago I took on a youngish punk (early 20′s)who was using my property for his recreational vehicle pleasure – I blocked him and spent 20 minutes trying to get him off my land – He said he had the right, I said no, not without my permission according to NC State Statutes, and he didn’t have it and wouldn’t be getting it from me. Oh, I do want to learn how to handle weapons myself. I may have to do that soon. I stood my ground. And yes, it was a little scary.

          • independant thinker

            libertytrain, a couple of thoughts. One, almost anything you can pick up can be a weapon if you have the determination to defend yourself. Two, if you do not have a family member or close friend who can teach you firearm safty and shooting look for a gun club in your area. Many times either the club or a member will advise you on gun safty as well as help you with shooting accurately and even firearm selection.

          • libertytrain

            Independent – thanks – I was in fact armed with a long narrow paint brush – I don’t think that scared him, but I think I scared him with my determination.

      • Granny Mae

        Third Party,

        I live in an area with plenty of wildlife but if everyone had to start hunting they would be gone in no time and there would be trouble out here. People from town would be coming out to hunt and the next thing you know we would have a lot of unwanteds on the property. I have had that before. Even had them about 75feet from the house in my garden and when I told them to leave that they were on private property they just told me they had permission to hunt there! I said not from me you didn’t and I’m the only one that can give you that permission ! They had guns and I didn’t and they were strangers to me so it was a little scary at thew time. I did convince them to leave finally. I was young with 5 little ones and my hubby was 40 miles away at work at the time. I didn’t know how to handle a gun but when my husband got home it didn’t take me long to get scooled when he found out what had gone on ! That will never happen again but it may to some one else if they are not prepared.

      • M

        “THIRD PARTY says: WEAPONS ARE TRULY THE ONLY THING NEEDED”

        If you have no firearms at all, a couple of .22s would be the best place to start, IMO. The reason being, you can get them cheap, and can get over a thousand rounds of ammo for 50 bucks. Plus, they are easier to shoot accurately. A Ruger 10/22 rifle is an excellent choice, and you can get one for about $150. Target pistols like a Ruger Mark II or Mark III might cost twice that, but don’t waste your money on a tiny pocket .22, because you may not be able to hit anything with it.

        If you have more money to spend on firearms, a hunting rifle in .30-’06, .308, .270, or other caliber for which ammunition is readily available would be my next choice. A shotgun is a formidable self-defense weapon, but may not be the best choice for hunting (unless rifles are prohibited in your area).

        Whatever you get, make sure to have plenty ammunition. In 2009, many shelves were low on supplies, and I think Wal-Mart is still rationing.

        But, like Granny Mae says, the woods will soon be hunted clean if it ever came to survival by hunting. Many small communities are already prepared to turn back the masses who may exodus the cities.

        Planting an indoor garden in early spring is a good idea too. Learn to grow food before you need it.

        Canning is an excellent idea, and the canned bacon sounds like a great idea! However, if things get desperate, don’t let anyone smell it cooking.

    • Granny Mae

      Joe,

      Yep we got that too !

  • mrsvass

    For centuries, families used root cellars & spring houses, smoked, dried, and later canned their food to set by enough to get them thru winter, drought, early frost, insect infestation, flooding, ad infinitum. Depending on fickle weather conditions taught them that they needed to preserve from this year’s harvest because next year’s was NOT guaranteed. Our generation has completely lost sight of our vulnerability. We have been trained to be dependent on the system. We SHOULD have a reserve–6 months is good–at ALL times. That should be considered the NORM. If you feel comfortable with and have room for 1 or more years’ worth of food that you eat normally and rotate, that’s just plain common sense and is something to be proud of! You are “channeling” your early pioneer ancestor! We need to once again become a nation of resourceful, prudent people.

    • PrepMan

      I work for a multinational retailer which still makes most of its money from groceries. Last week i went into my local store to get 2 cases each of yams, green beans and corn to give to a local charity who had asked our church for help feeding people on Thanksgiving.
      Surprisingly in this metro area (8th largest in the nation), the store did not have half that on hand and had to order it from the warehouse, which took 2 days. I learned that our stores take multiple deliveries daily, and only have on hand what they believe they will sell right now, especially meat, dairy, pharmacy, and cold items.
      Any disruption in transportation will cause shortages within hours, not weeks or even days. Hunting will work until animals are depleted or move out of your area.
      For the long term, learn to grow food from seed. As a test, I’ve been using packets of cucumber seed given me 4 years ago which have lost some fertility, but still are mostly viable with no specific storage care. And Grannie Mae, I agree: canning and dehydrating are necessary skills.

      • Granny Mae

        PrepMan,

        I know just what you are talking about with the grocries. I too help my church and have also bought canned goods for myself by the case and find the same thing about supply. I also think that as more people get concerned about the economy and what might be in store ahead, many of them are trying to stock up a little at a time and this will also cause delays in availability. At this point in time we need to think and plan very carefully. That is why I encourage some people to can and dehydrate foods even in small quantities. I had a bag of apples and knew we wouldn’t be getting to them right away so I did them into applesauce in my crock pot put it into a couple jars and stuck them in my small stock pot to waterbath them. They are now sitting on the shelf waiting for my grandson to take some to school in his lunch! I also do some things up in half pint jars for giving to elderly that have needs. That has been much appreciated too. Here’s to happy canning my friend !

  • http://truebluestar.efoodsglobal.com Jim B.

    Many Americans have lost their jobs and are having a hard time feeding themselves and their families today. How can they even think of putting extra food away for the probable collapse of the dollar and society as we know it? If you want the answer to this question, just check out what is getting started over at http://truebluestar.myefoodsglobal.com

    By helping each other we can survive and even thrive! It’s also a GREAT WAY MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS!

  • http://HelloHouston.com/Art/CarolDickinson.cfm Carol

    Hi Everyone,

    I would also suggest besides food and water items… alternative forms of energy.

    Buy now online…

    1) A Sun Oven (I have one they are GREAT… I cooked a chicken in it and the meat literally feel off the bone) No electricity or wood or charcoal needed… JUST the sun… and off course a Sun Oven. You can even cook bread or muffins! ONLY the sun for its source.

    2) Solar Panel with Battery

    3) Residential or larger Wind Turbine… for off the Grid… NOT plugged into your city electrical system… but runs totally on Battery Banks also.

    4) A place in the country… or know of somewhere safe you could go when it gets really tough.

    5) Camping gear

    6) RV if possible (have them hook it up with Solar and Wind Turbine power… Galileo RV company has a wonderful RV with Solar Panels that come with it already.

    7) Bible… after all of the preparation… our God.. the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob… the God of Israel is our only true protection… in the name of Jesus Christ. Read the Word daily … that you may learn to listen to His… very crucial in these last days. Pray to GOD in the name of Jesus. For when the disciples asked Jesus how to pray… Jesus said to pray like this…”OUR FATHER (meaning the creator of heaven and earth the ALMIGHTY GOD) which art in heaven hollow it be thy name. Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who have trespassed against us. Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil… for thine Almighty God is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever and ever. Amen!”

    • Christin

      Carol,
      Thanks… you’re really on the ball today.

      Like the “Sun Oven”… where can I look for one… expensive?

      So the GPS, On Star, or Satellite, and cell phone are a dead give-away (pun maybe intented)… if you turn them off will they then not give you away or do they still emit a signal?

      There are a few places to get seeds on line… where do you suggest?

      I’ve been pleading with my spouse to get a well dug, but he is stalling on this. I think it could also be a “trading” option for us with our neighbors.

      Thanks… Good info Claire and thanks to Bob for keeping this prepareness discussion up front.

  • Cathy

    I’m going to disagree with some of the food listed. White sugar? Cereal, full of sugar? Mayo? Canned soups? Milk? Why do we continue to drink milk long after we are weaned? Tuna, salmon, pork… packed with cholesterol or mercury.

    Well, we won’t starve but will probably get sick and/or die anyway with all the MSG, hydrogenated oils, sugars, cholesterol, mercury, and whatever chemicals and additives are in some of these products.

    For some intriguing, awesome information, check out http://www.ravelifestyle.info You can watch samples of the DVDs. Incredible stuff “they” don’t want you to know.

    • CJ

      These suggestions are for EMERGENCY situations. The trivial points you mention won’t matter. If you’re concerned about surviving the next few months, I doubt the “fattening” effects of sugar will be on your mind. In fact, you’ll probably appreciate the “little pleasures” of sweetener or milk. Cholesterol will be the LAST thing I’m worried about, too.

      • Granny Mae

        Most survival hand books suggest keeping sugar and hard candy for energy in times of real need. It is a quick giver of energy and can be kept when nothing else can. A friend of mine was tearing down a building in a town we use to live in and there had been a war shelter in ther. What did he find but several large tins of hard candy. The brain needs carbohydrate to function and the thing that can provide that and still be stored very long term is sugar and hard candy ! That building was being torn down in the late 70′s so that candy had been stored for 30 years and it was still good. Sugar is not good for a lasting and sustained sorce of energy you need fat and energy for that but it will keep your brain functioning when need be !

        • Granny Mae

          Sorry again . For sustained energy that should read fats and protein. Protein takes longer to digest and fats slow the digestion even more so it becomes a sustained form of energy.

      • Christin

        CJ,
        Agreed.
        And I don’t think powdered milk is quite like liquid whole milk and if one is desperate it will do in a pinch.
        Bob did not specify what type of white (and brown) sugar to buy. One can buy “sugar-in-the-raw”, “organic sugar”, “evaporated sugar cane juice” (which all have the trace elements still intack) to store up as we have done. We do not use White Granulated Sugar as it has been altered and bad for our bodies… teeth, diabetics and hyperactive kids.

        The point is to stock up on food to prepare.
        He shared his list, you can take what you like from it and add your own to it.

        • texastwin827

          The powdered milk is as much for cooking as it is drinking. For additional “richness” you can use canned evaporated condensed milk. My mother never made gravy with regular milk…the condensed milk was always diluted with 1/2 water to 1/2 milk. One has to remember that we may be forced to go back to the basics…which means cooking “from scratch” not some pre-prepared mix in a box. Same goes for sugar, flour & salt.

    • Granny Mae

      Cathy,

      To answer your question why? Because we like them and want them. My ancestors were pesant people and they ate all these foods but they were home grown and home made, and they all lived into their 90′s so I’m not going to worry. If you think you can buy mayo and have it keep in long term storage think again. It goes rancid after a while . Been there , done that ! It is better to store the ingrediants to make it and learn to make your own.

      • Christin

        Granny Mae,

        Wish I had family like you around to learn from.
        :)

        • Granny Mae

          Christin,

          If you like catch me at heyyou63plus2 @gmail.com and we can go from there ! I’d love to hear from you.

          • Christin

            Thanks Mae, I wrote your e-mail address down.
            I’m going to need help with all this… it is way over my head.

        • independant thinker

          Christin………….Mother Earth News has information on living “naturaly” as well as information on “living off the grid” both of which are applicable to survival. They also have links to living off the land and other things that would be useful in emergency situations. Another source of information is books like the Foxfire series that provide information on the old fashion ways.

          • Christin

            Thanks Independant Thinker,
            Mother Earth News is …. on the computer or a magazine?

            Ya know they should have had classes in ALL this in school so we’d know how to use what God gave us to live healthy lives…

          • Granny Mae

            Independant Thinker,

            Oh you are so smart. You are right and I never gave a thought about Mother Earth News. I have a subscription to that magazine and have had for over thirty years. Some good info in there and also in the Magazine Backwoods Home. I have a subscription to them also and enjoy both mags a lot. They both have a section for ordering books that can tell you how to do most everything. Another good Magazine is Countryside. I like the format of that magazine. It is easy to pick up and just start to read from cover to cover. In my opinion all are great magazines and worth the cost of the subscription.

          • independant thinker

            Christin, Mother Earth News is a magazine but they do have information available on their web site and a CD set of the last 40 years of their magazine is available as well.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            Yes this should be taught in school. It would be something useful for a change. We use to have homeck when I was in school and we did have some cooking, not much, and some sewing, again not much. I took a beginners sewing class when I was 12 and learned more in that class than I ever did in school. It is a shame !

          • Christin

            Mae,
            I am not so young to have missed Home-Ec in school. We had a little sewing, I made a dress and had to model it (I already knew how to sew at age 9); and we had a little cooking and had a luncheon for our mothers (my Mom even came which was a miracle)… I knocked over a drink with my arm and was embarrassed.. still remember all these decades later.
            My Mom sewed a lot back then and she taught me and my sister how to sew when I was nine years old. Had to sew many clothes when I was younger in high school as I was so thin and lived in a small town without a mall when we moved south and when I went to college as I was pretty much on my own and didn’t have much money.

            Makes me sick to hear these spoiled college kids today with nice cars and clothes, ipods, and cell phones wanting US to pay for their schooling. Get off your butt and work and put yourself through school if your parents have bailed on you. I have my own kids to save for and put through school.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            I have some of those same kinds of memories !!! My mom didn’t sew ! Her mother did and great grandma was a seamstress but mom always ran the other way !! LOL ! My dad did the sewing in my house when I was a kid , that is when grandma wasn’t living with us ! I can still remember my dad sitting at the old treddle sewing machine and patching a sheet ! He was complaining the whole time how he hated patched sheets because he always got his foot hung up on the seams and it hurt and made him mad ! My mother was laughing at him the whole time ! Couldn’t aford to buy new sheets ! Those were the days!!! I agree with you about the kids in college. If they spent more time doing school work they wouldn’t need to worry about I-pods and all that junk !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Granny Mae,
            My wife has one of the first singer treadle machines and it works! We have all the attachments like the hem maker and all of the others. Even have the papers on it and get this, the guarantee states “not affected by time!” you won’t find a guarantee like that on anything you buy today!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H

            Wow! How wonderful. I use to have my great grandmothers but when I got married and my husband was in the military, we were home to take our things and that is one of the things my mother got rid of ! She couldn’t understand why I would want that old thing????? You have a real treasure there and that guarentee is incredible ! Good for you ! Thanks for telling me about it !

          • Christin

            Mae and Joe H.,
            I still have my mom’s little Black Singer Sewing Machine… made of metal and it still has the case and attachments as well. Used it until about five or six years ago. It was starting to not work properly and needs an oiling. I was sewing a lot for my two boys making baby and little boys blankets, long tab top curtains, and pillows for their bedrooms and Fall festival costumes. So it is in the closet now, but my mom says not to sell it and send it back to her if I don’t want it. I think I will take it to a place to get it oiled and looked at to get it working again.

            You are right about that guarantee… it is a good one you will not see today. Too bad companies don’t stand behind their products anymore… maybe most made in China!

          • independant thinker

            Just got my new Lehman’s cataloge and they have a book listed in it called “How To Live Without Electricity – And Like It” for $14.95.

          • Granny Mae

            independant,

            I have that book and just got it out the other day to see what it has to say. Trouble is I have been so busy that I haven’t been able to get past the first page before I fall asleep ! Got to make it a point to set down and read it though. Hey if the Amish can do it so can we !

  • libra

    FROM LIVING IN FLORIDA–I HAVE FOUND THAT DRY STAPLES–FLOUR, SUGAR, CORNMEAL, PASTAS ETC. CAN BE KEPT FOR YEARS IN GLASS JARS. NOT ONLY CAN YOU SEE WHAT IS IN THE CONTAINER BUT IF TIGHTLY SEALED KEEP, OUT MOISTURE AND OXYGEN WHICH IS WHAT WHEAT WEEVILS NEED TO GROW AND THRIVE. THE DEPT. OF AGRICULTURE PERMITS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THESE PESTS TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR RETAIL FOODS. I JUST SIMPLY SAVE GLASS JARS WHEN I HAVE USED THE CONTENTS AND USE THEM FOR THIS TYPE OF STORAGE–MATCHES SHOULD ALSO BE STORED IN TIGHTLY SEALED CONTAINERS. EMPTY CLOROX JUGS ARE GREAT FOR STORING DRINKING WATER. VINEGAR IN QUANTITY IS GOOD FOR SO MANY THINGS AND CAN ALSO HELP PRESERVE FOOD AS IT IS AN ANTI-BACTERIAL AND I OFTEN ADD SOME TO POTATO SALADS AND ANYTHING THAT MAY SET OUT WITHOUT REFRIGERATION SUCH AS PICNICS OR LARGE FAMILY GATHERINGS. IT IS ALSO A GREAT HOUSEHOLD DISINFECTANT AND CLEANING AID.

  • THIRD PARTY

    SOME PEOPLE LAUGH AT THE IDEA OF FOOD SHORTAGES,ECT… THE FACT REMAINS IN ALL LARGE MAJOR CITY’S THE FOOD SUPPLY IS FOR THE MAX OF THREE DAYS.WITHOUT NEW SHIPMENTS INTO THE CITY,SUCH AS NEW YORK,ALL FOOD WOULD BE CONSUMED IN 72 HOURS.

  • http://HelloHouston.com/Art/CarolDickinson.cfm Carol

    I forgot to add to my other blog… to definitely have a plan of where to go … WITH ALL THE DETAILS… already planned before hand. Get together with those you trust… and plan it NOW!!! You CAN NOT GO ON YOUR OWN! NO ONE IS AN ISLAND! WE NEED FAMILY AND FRIENDS MORE THAN EVER! GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS TOO!

    1) Where you will go (cause you will HAVE to get out of the city!!!)

    2) A place near water courses with fresh fish (buy a fishing pool at least) and boat if you can.

    3) By vegetable garden seeds on-line that are already sealed especially for storing until you need them. Once you receive them put them in the refrigerator until you have to get out of city… to your already designated place of living. (Please do not share a lot of where you are going and other details on the internet or facebook or email… ‘they’ can find you if you leave such an OBVIOUS trail. Be aware at the very end they can track through your newer license, newer passport, and cell phone… and some newer cars have tracking devices all ready on them too.. like On Star. On Star is great but you don’t want it to be used on you to find you… Just be aware… that is all.

    4) Tools of all kinds and some building and home supplies… like tape, string, paper towels, regular tools, cleaning solutions… just walk around a Home Depot or Lowes and you will know instinctively what you will need. Oh… and a shovel for sure… for planting the seeds for a small garden

    5) If you are not near a water course .. and you have your own property… or are staying with someone with their own property… PLEASE make sure you have your own water well! MOST IMPORTANT!!!

    • Granny Mae

      Carol,

      A good source of most everything needed besides Sporting goods places and Wal-Mart camping etc. is on the net = BePrepared.com. A lot of times you can pair up with someone else and order case lots from their specials and save a bit more.

      • independant thinker

        Check out Lehmans as well, they have many products for those who wish to live a simpler lifestyle and these products are applical to survival situations.

        • Granny Mae

          Independant Thinker,

          Are we related? LOL ! I think so. I also get their catalog and love it. It can be a little pricey but it is worth the cost when you can’t find something you need anywhere else ! I have ordered from them manytimes and I will tell you this they package their shipments with the utmost care. I was very impressed. Good thinking.

          • independant thinker

            Granny Mae, Something I have not seen mentioned anywhere is cookwear. What are your thoughts on it. I would recomend having some cast iron cookwear on hand because while it is relatively heavy it can be used over open fires, on wood stoves, and in the fireplace. I know I would be hesitant to use most of the modern cookwear that way especially on a regular basis.

          • Granny Mae

            Yes my friend,

            I do agree with you. My family has iron ware and we all love it. I need my husband to lift mine nowdays! LOL ! I have a bean pot type kettle and several frying pans, a scone pan and I hope to get a griddle for Christmas ! They are great especially for open fire cooking. I used mine a lot when my family was still young and we went camping a lot ! Good thoughts once again ! PS. I tried to get my dads griddle when he passed but my sister just wouldn’t part with it, even though I threatened great bodily harm upon her person ! drats!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Granny Mae,
            My mother in law bought me a cast iron griddle about twenty years ago. I use it at least once a week. Usually Saturday morning breakfast! Nothing like it for pancakes and eggs!!! They just have to season it properly!! Now I’m looking for a large dutch oven. nothing better for cooked cabbage!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H,
            Oh I know what you mean about the cooked cabbage in the iron dutch oven. I call mine a bean pot !!!!! We use our iron fry pan on the week-ends too. My husband cooks the pancakes and eggs for breakfast and my son and his son are here every Sat and Sun. for breakfast. They live right behind us !!! Tomorrow we will be trying some new coffee I bought and see if it smells like the good old coffee we use to get . I hope so. It has been a long time since we had good coffee ! I would like to get one of the old fashioned perk coffee pots that you can put on the open fire. However the last time we had a bad storm here and the power was off for days I discovered that I could heat my water on the camp stove and pour it through the coffee filter into the pot and it worked like a charm !

          • libertytrain

            Granny whenever we think we may lose power – like icestorms approaching etc. I pull down one of my peculator coffee pots that I use for decoration high in my kitchen, clean it and fill it ready to go for the morning – I made certain my gas stove could still be lit with a match before I bought it so that the burners can be used during outages. The only problem is the coffee isn’t quite as good as the old days – probably because the blends now are for drip coffee pots.

          • Granny Mae

            Libertytrain,
            I wish I had one. I have a gas stove too and I can lite it with a lighter thank goodness ! I have had to do that a few times ! I agree about the coffee. I think they are making it different and it is just too old now days. Coffee really doesn’t stay fresh after it is ground and now days you just don’t know how long a company has had it stocked ! Independent thinker gave me the address of a company that deals in coffee so I decided to try them out. The coffee came this afternoon so we will try it first thing in the morning. I hope it is good because I sure do miss good coffee ! I’ll let you know tomorrow how we liked it !

          • independant thinker

            Granny Mae, and any other interested parties, try to find some Community Coffee. It is produced by a company in Baton Rouge La. and in my opinion is the best coffee you can find. If you cannot find it in your local store it is available online from the company. Our personal favorite is the dark roast but other blends are available.

          • libertytrain

            Granny – I have several of those old-fashioned coffee pots complete with their innards (basket and the stem to put it on) – All mine came from thrift shops or flea markets – I even recall that you get it to boil – or when it begins percolating, turn the fire to lowest or simmer flame – let it go for ten minutes and then “voila” – I used to be the early riser as a kid and was charged with getting the coffee made. They called me “Mrs. Olson” – do you remember where this comes from?

          • Granny Mae

            Independant,
            I had my coffee this morning and it was goo. Didn’t have that stinky smell to it like the others. I think the next time I will also try thr dark roast. This was the breakfast blend , not quite as strong as I would like it but will add a little extra coffee tomorrow if there is any left. My son and his son-in-law are always here and they are drinking it like crazy. They like ice coffee! You know it must be good for them to go through it like they are.
            Liberty train, I’m going to look for one of those coffee pots too at the second hand shop. In my area those are rare. The only one around here that I know of is called the boys ranch, so I will look there and see what I come up with ! I can put things up high in my kitchen too. On top of my cupboards ! Mine is filled with chickens of all kinds! My kids know I love chickens so every year for Christmas they give me chickens! I have platers, candy dishes, candle holders and statues of all kinds sizes and shapes !!! They keep them comming and I keep putting them on top of the cupboards ! My husband says the cupboards are going to come right off the walls one of these days !!! My youngest son gave me a chicken for Christmas two years ago that as soon as I reached in to take it out of the bag it went off, just a screeching and a cluckin ! Lord I thought I was going to have a heart attack ! I hit him with it and then let the kids take it outside to play with! He laughed about that all day !

          • Granny Mae

            Libertytrain,

            I don’t recall Mrs. Olson ! Remind me .

          • libertytrain

            Mrs. Olson or perhaps it was Olsen was the sweet old-fashioned woman with perhaps a slight accent that Folger’s used in the 60′s and perhaps 70′s to sell its coffee — so they called me Mrs. Olson, cause I made the coffee.

            Another thought re coffee pot is eBay – ask your kids to pass on the chickens this year and go for a coffee pot – look some up and show them what you’re talking about – ranged from $5 to $12.95 when I just did a quick look on eBay for percolator -

          • Granny Mae

            Libertytrain,

            Thanks for the info. I still can’t bring her to mind but that doesn’t mean anything there is a lot that I can’t bring to mind now days !!!!
            I am going to try your suggestion about the coffee pot ! That is a good idea. My husband and I were talking about that just this morning. He was saying they are real expensive in the sports catalogs ! Never gave E-bay a thought ! You might want to chrck out the book I just got from Backwoods Home on the net. Called Self-reliance Recession-proof your pantry by Jackie Clay. It is only $12.95 and is packed with all kinds of information and ideas. I think it is a great little book ! Check it out !

          • libertytrain

            Granny Mae – here – you’ll remember if you see her once – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrGgg6r9YyI
            and I copied the info re the book and will look into it.

          • Granny Mae

            Libertytrain,

            OH YES ! Now I remember ! I don’t know how in the world I forgot her ! Thanks for the memory !!

          • independant thinker

            Granny, Some of the true Cajuns drink their coffee so strong that is almost a syrup.

          • independant thinker

            By the way, anyone who purchases cast iron cook wear shouold look for American made. It has been my experience that imported cast cookwear is crap plus if it comes from China there is no telling what kind of contaminates are in it. There is at least one company still making it in the US (Lodge) and you can usually find Lodge, Wagner, and other USA marked cast iron at estate sales, flea markets, and yard sales.

          • independant thinker

            On the subject of coffee pots, If there is an old fashioned hardware store in your ares (one that if they don’t have it you don’t need it) they should have both the old granet ware coffee pots as well as newer stove top coffee pots. There is one close to where I live and they have a good selection of the granet ware as well as American made cast iron. Some of the mail order places such as Lehmans,
            Vermont Country Store, mail order hunting-fishing sites, and others list them as well

  • http://HelloHouston.com/Art/CarolDickinson.cfm Carol

    Oh.. they can also probably find you by using your trusted GPS to find you too or wireless lap top with Wi Fi… or anything that has ANY possible connection with satillite or cell phone towers. We have to REALLY get back to Basics.

    Be like the Pioneers. Trust in God and He will direct your path.

    The Lord is our light and our salvation!

    Our faith will be growing much more in these last days! Hang on tight to our AWESOME GOD! God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, God of Israel… in Jesus Christ name! Amen!

    • Harold

      Carol, Our nation has left God, but, God has not left us, He still loves each of us, we need to cling to Him NOW and not wait for an emergency.

      • THIRD PARTY

        CLINGING TO A SO CALLED GOD IS NICE,BUT NOT REALITY.REMEMBER ROMANS 13,BE SUBSERVIENT TO YOUR GOVERNMENT,RELIGIONS IN THE LAST THOUSANDS OF YEARS IS JUST TO SUBDUE THE MASSES.

        • Granny Mae

          Third Party,

          Please don’t take sayings from the Bible out of context. In this scripture, Paul is writing to the Gentiles in Rome and giving them instruction on how to survive till he could come there. Rome was a very dangerous place at that time for anyone being a Christian. He was reminding them to lay low so to speak and not draw undue attention to themselves. Yes everything created is from God but we are not expected to follow anything corrupt or evil or against God ! In Rome at that time people were expected and even commanded to pay homage to Roman Gods which is against the teachings of God almighty. You shall have no other Gods before me ! So even though the law was for everyone to profess their homage to these pagen gods Our Lord did not expect us to do the same. It was because of this that so many Christians lost their lives. So this is not an instruction for us to follow our government if it is evil it was Pauls way of trying to keep his followers alive !

          • Christin

            Very Well said!

      • Granny Mae

        God will prevail ! Yes he will !

        • Christin

          Amen!

  • Harold

    II Chron 7:14

  • Harold

    14 If my people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    • Christin

      Harold,
      Thank you for the Bible verse.

      God is calling His “Believers” to get on their knees and to pray for forgiveness and return to Him with all their hearts.

      Are their enough of us out there to turn things around?

      Have we successfully fulfulled the Great Commission… to go into all nations and teach the Good News of the Gospels that Jesus Christ is Lord…

      Have we given God cause to heal our land…?
      In Christ

  • Bonnie

    A lot of good suggestions. Take the best of each.

  • Soldier

    Being in the military, if the crap the hits the fan, I will do my best to convince my chain of command to help re-establish a form of local constitutional government with a gold backed system and prepare to fight any other local community who choose to engae in warfare against us or whatever “Lord Humongous’” might emerge. I will be sucessful in helping to re-establish liberty or prepare to die a quick and violent death trying.

    I prefer a quick and violent death to starving slowly like a Jew in a concentration camp. #@%#% that. Maybe that makes me a wimp, but being slightly plump and on the edge of obesity (I still look better than over half the people out there IMO), I have had to go a day or two starving myself to make weight in the military on regular weigh ins, and I can tell you that I do not want to slowly starve over weeks.

  • AMJ

    We heat our house in the winter using a wood burning stove. i also cook with it. I am fortunate that my step-son is in the tree removal business, so he gives us the wood to burn. We have been robbed of the wood several times and this is only a recession. I can’t even begin to imagine what will happen when full scale poverty hits. People will want to warm themselves and cook their food. I can imagine our family standing guard with shot guns outside the wood pile just to keep it from disappearing. When you think of food storage and barter, remember to prepare for a way to cook it.

    • Granny Mae

      AMJ,

      It is great that you have a source for wood. May I suggest a way to slow the stealing of your wood? Put the main source in a well secured area. Perhaps in the back of the house with a fence around it and then put small amounts on ocasion in the front of the house with a sign on it free wood. Sometimes people steal because they feel others wouldn’t understand their need and they think you have so much you wouldn’t miss it anyway. You may even put up a sign that if anyone has a need for wood to please inquire at the door !

      • independant thinker

        Granny, I would suggest putting Pine or similar wood out for the free wood and keeping the hardwood for personal use.

        • Granny Mae

          Once again you have excellant thinking. With all these resourcful people around I think we will do alright. We may not be as comfortable as we have been but we will be alright ! God Bless !

  • CJ

    I would hope everybody who stocks up will also have the smarts to keep inventory and rotate the stock occasionally. Nothing like a disaster hitting, and find your food spoiled 6 months prior.

    • Granny Mae

      CJ,

      That is very important to do. I do it automaticly but some will not. In fact some will be like I was at first and just squirel it away thinking they are doing good. Lessons learned that way are hard lessons but not soon forgotten. Now days I use from my storage at least once a week and keep a list of what I use so I can replace it as soon as possible. For instance I sent a box of tooth brushes and toothpaste and deodorant and some other things to a young man that is a priest in the Sudan. He and a few of his fellow priests were in dire need of somethings. I boxed up a few things from my storage and sent them to him and then when I went to the dollar store a few days later I replaced what I had sent. It is a good way sometimes to rotate things that you don’t use up that quickly and by shopping at the dollar stores it is a inexpensive way to replace things.
      Great suggestion and reminder you have given to all. Thanks.

      • Granny Mae

        Another good thing to remember is to store what you use and use what you store. Stock up on the things you use first and then on some things to use for barter ! You and your family come first always.

        • libertytrain

          Another thought I had recently as to why I should toss out all the little soaps is because my family may really need it -so, especially now, every time I go to a hotel, I take all the soap and shampoo, lotion, etc — I mean it was put out there for me – (no I don’t take the toilet paper and Kleenex :)) and am saving it for that same reason – as well all the extra goodies I get from the Dentist with each visit -

          • Granny Mae

            Good thinking ! You paid for it !

          • independant thinker

            If you get over-run with the motel soaps and shampoos or just do not want to store them for your personal use give them to charities like Salvation Army or others that give out supplies to those down on their luck.

          • libertytrain

            Independent, in the early days of the Iraq War when my daughter was over there the first time, I sent boxes of this stuff to her and her unit – they didn’t have access at that time to these treasures; so now am slowly rebuilding my stock up again. But your point is well taken and makes good sense.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Granny mae,
          When I buy new canned goods I always put the new in the back of the shelf. that way I always have the oldest to the front. Just like the grocers are SUPPOSED to do. Always Check what you buy!!! We have gotten things that were very close to expired before so now I always check them!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H.

            I do too. however in my pantry there is always an escapee that we seem to come across later down the road! I may have to start putting the date bought on the cans with a sharpie ! My husband pulled some cans out of the cupboard the other day that were from 2001 ??? LOL ! My son’s dog loves that !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Granny,
            I’m a big dog lover. Just be careful as botulism can kill a dog as well. not as easy as a human, but it can!!

          • Granny Mae

            I am careful. I wouldn’t give her anything that I thought was bad. It is just that it was out of the use by date so we didn’t think we would care for it so Miss Sky gets it ! My son asks her every morning if she wants to go get coffee and he said she jumps around and heads for the door. As soon as he opens the door she is out and half way over here. This morning she was out by the garage with the men and I went outside and here she come and actually jumped in my lap as I was coming in my chair down the ramp. I’m a big woman and she is a big dog and the two of us gave this chair a real workout !!! I don’t remember what kind of dog she is except that she is part dingo! We love her and she knows it. She is spoiled rotten !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            G. Mae,
            I have never owned a dog that wasn’t spoiled rotten!!! That’s the way they’re supposed to be. Makes for a more loyal dog if they know they’re loved!!!

          • Granny Mae

            I do agree. I use to raise Cockers and I just loved them. All my dogs were real mild tempered and lovable. I only had trouble with one and she didn’t like her picture taken and would run from a camera! I now have five cats ! All of them outside cats and all of them fixed. They are something else. They all use to run from Sky but not anymore ! They just lay there and it frustratews the dog so she goes and lays down with a huff ! One Cat I swear to you, was sent to me from God above ! I suddenly had this dream that I wanted a Main Coon cat that looked like a cat I had as a child. I looked everywhere for this cat. I even called other states and this went on for months ! Then one day I had this overwhelming urge to call a pet store in a town 40 miles away from our town ! Don’t ask me why but I did. Well the woman told me that she had what I was looking for and if I came there the following Saturday I could get it. My husband and I went the following week-end and she didn’t have the cat but wouldn’t I consider one of these other ones? I said no at first but then thought I might take a cute little tuxedo cat. Just as I was about to fill out the papers my husband said wow look at the size of that cat! I turned around and there was my cat! I shouted THAT’S MY CAT and everyone turned to look. This woman had brought him in to see if someone would take him. She had a rescue shelter and it was getting over run. This cat was a year old and just exactly the cat, color and markings that I had been looking for! He went home with us right then and we named him Max ! He thinks he is human and even tries to talk with you. My husband hated cats until Max and now he sees them in a whole different light ! Max rides with him in the car and is always in his way when he is working on the truck or car. He is something else. We are big lovers of dogs and cats. I even had a ferrat once !

  • THIRD PARTY

    BE A FRIEND TO YOUR LOCAL FARMER,NOT YOUR CORP FARMER,BUY FROM HIM NOW,THEY WILL REMEMBER THOSE WHO SUPPORTED THEM.

    • Granny Mae

      Third Party,

      I couldn’t agree with you more. I don’t think people realize they can got to their local farmers and deal with them dirrect. They need our support today more so than at any other time. Some are just giving up because they are being driven out by the big conglomerates ! What a shame. We all loose from that one ! Good suggestion. Thanks

      • independant thinker

        There are some Mennonite/Amish in my area that I sometimes purchase items from. One family of them runs a produce stand in season in two nearby towns and another has fresh from the cow milk and fresh from the chicken eggs we purchase.

  • Thom

    In addidition to guns and ammo yu should have some silver and gold coins. Silver half dollars, pre 1964 would be good for bartering and purchasing goods. They are becoming harder to find lately due to everyone buying and hording them.

  • Charie

    I’ve never heard anyone here mention using a sump well for water. It filters through the ground before it flows into the well and a few drops of bleach will kill whatever nasties would be in the water.

    • independant thinker

      Where I live 300 gallon food grade plastic tanks have become available and could be used for collecting drinking water. I have two that I use for holding water for my garden in case of extended dry weather and I plan to purchase some more for possible use in emergencies.

      • Granny Mae

        Independant,

        We did that very same thing. I have 8 of them and we washed them out real good and filled them with water and store them under the carport. once a year we pump the water out and put it on the garden and for the animals and we refill them with fresh water just to keep the water as fresh as possible for now ! My son has three of them too. He keeps his beside his house on the side where the sun doesn’t shine much and he covered them with something and they are fine. He has had them there for about 5 or 6 years and they are just as good now as they were when he put them there.

  • Charie

    Whoops! Also wanted to mention that food in a jar, whether home canned or purchased is the best and a pressure cooker canner has to be on the “to buy” list if you haven’t one already. A necessity if you’re canning meat, fish or poultry.

    One year my daughter and I, one using the electric stove and the other a camp stove canned 150 quarts of tomatoes using a water bath and a pressure cooker. Don’t forget a large amount of rings and lids, too, and keep them in a cool place because after a few years the rubber in the lids will deteriorate if kept in a warm place.

    • Granny Mae

      Charie,

      I love it that you and your daughter can together. It is the making of some real quality time. I have not only used the old stand by blue granit water bath canner but at times have also used tall stock pots for a water bath canner. I have several in different sizes and one day when I was doing up a small amount of tomatoes and I didn’t want to get out the big bruiser, I decided to try my smaller stock pot . It worked like a charm. As long as your container is tall enough to allow an inch of water over the top of the jars and it has a good lid you can use it for canning too. I took several jar rings and tied them together to use as a riser to keep te jars up off the bottom of the pan, then set the jars on the rings and I was good to go. It worked out beautiful. Some of my friends wouldn’t bother with small amounts of fruit or tomatoes because they didn’t want to lug out the big canner, but I don’t like to waste anything and that little amount adds up over time, so I tried the stock pots and laughed all the way to the storage shelves!!!! Keep up the good work and build that closeness with you daughter.

  • http://com i41

    I suggest go to all the so called wilderness and parks areas, the people own the property and the government cann’t manage to take care of it now? The illegals hide out in the parks, I would raise some livestock. Pigs can be pasture raised along with cattle. They don’t eat the same plants and get along , chickens live off their wastes so 3 meat producers can coexist. Cattle can convert grasses to protein, pigs grub for roots and weeds and create a fast protein source, and arriate the soil, chickens can eat bugs and other pests. Also pigs keep the muslims at bay, be sure to put grease on all slugs and anything muslims might touch. A spray tank with a little hog grease and gas makes muslims go to hell unclean and up in smoke.

  • http://personalliberty.com Cal lWest

    Please get the following book: “One Second After” by William Forstchen, concerning how people cope in society after an EMP/solar flare attack. This book will get you motivated to PREPARE for what is coming.

    • Granny Mae

      will do that today ! Thanks.

      • Granny Mae

        I sent for the book. Got it from Amazon for $6.00 or a little more. I will read it as soon as it gets here !

  • Joyce from Loris

    We also need to educate ourselves on food sources that grow wild, such as cattails. They are edible, delicious and have many medicinal values. There are plenty of websites that you can purchase the heirloom seeds for wild foods, including rice! There are plenty of plants that you need for medicinal purposes. Medicine may not always be available, and there are plants for everything, including diabetes! I think people should do that anyway. I am a retired pharmaceutical chemist. I would NEVER take medications anymore, I always use herbs and plants.
    We live on a two hundred acre farm, and have a pond and a lake on our property. We also have an free flowing artesian well on our property. We can grow anything, and we have deer, turkeys, quail, ducks and squirrels. We are talking about getting some goats, easy to raise and good eating. We have a stock pile of food, ammo, guns, clothing and BLANKETS. Our house is on the main road, and know that we will have to go deep into the woods to protect ourselves from looters. We have sleeping bags and BLANKETS, get lots of blankets. Make sure you have a good first aid kit.
    If anyone is interested in finding some reasonably priced heirloom seeds, respond to me and I can help you out there. The internet site are selling these seeds at astronomical prices! We keep our heirloom seeds in a jar in the freezer, good for ten years.

    • Granny Mae

      Joyce from Loris,

      I am interrested in plants for diabetes and would love it if you could dirrect me in the right dirrection. It is great that you have this knowledge. I live on 10 acres and would like to plant some medicinal plants but I nothing about them. Any help you can give will be appreciated. Thanks, Granny

      • independant thinker

        Granny Mae, There are some books on Native American foods and medicines available that might have some useful information available. I think I have seen them advertised in Mother Earth and you can possible get them from “Brule” as well. I have even seen them in stores at Hot Springs, Arkansas as well as some other places. You could also check out Herb Companion publication for some information.

        • Granny Mae

          Thanks friend, I will do !

    • independant thinker

      Joyce, you might look into getting a couple of donkeys for packing since you anticipate having to into the woods. They are supposed to be easier to care for than goats and from what I have read a couple can thrive on 5-10 acres which would not be a problem for you.

    • Christin

      Joyce,
      Sounds like you have a plan and are doing great with it… Godspeed to you.
      I am intersted in Heirloom seeds… I have checked the internet, but they were expensive and I didn’t know who to order from or what to get that would do well in my hot area.

      Last year we bought an 11+ acre forested lot, cleared a few acres inside leaving scattered trees and built a small house on it with a great porch that was completed by Mar this year. We go there on weekends and holidays and also have family there. I have planted an orchard and made raised garden boxes to see what I could grow. My garden is still producing as I speak, but last weekend I could tell it was winding down. I will add another raised bed or two next spring and would like to get good seeds that I can save when the vegetable or fruit gets picked. I want to have a water well dug, but my spouse is stalling on it right now.

      Are seeds taken and saved from vegetables (such as squash) bought in the grocery store any good or are they altered… GMO? We washed and saved seeds from acorn squash and butternut squash and they grew and produced, but not a ton. May not have had enough water or bees to pollenate or been too hot.

      • independant thinker

        Check Mother Earth News for sources of heirloom seeds. Read the articles on heirloom planting for the best sources don’t just go with the advertisements. You can find a few heirloom seeds on the racks of commercial seeds just read the packages carefully. If you are interested enough in Mothers information you can get the first 40 years of Mother on DVD for around $40.

        As far as saving seeds from grocery store purchases, I would say the produce was suspect as regards GMO but things like squash would be less likely to be GMO than say tomatoes.

        • Christin

          Thanks, independant thinker.

      • independant thinker

        Christin, If you do not see many honey bees you can encourage bumble bees. I have seen articles on how to encourage them to stay around and multiply in magazines (probably Mother Earth News). While the Bumble Bees might not be as efficient as honey bees they can provide polinization for your crops.

    • Shelley Chamberlin

      I would love some heirloom seeds, as many differnt varieties as I can get.

  • Dawnta Twilight

    No one has mentioned the National Geographic Water issue earlier this year. It states fairly-clear water can be easily sterilized simply by leaving it out in the sun for 6 hours on a metal sheet in clear plastic containers (old soda bottles). It states some Impoverished coutries are using this incredibly easy way to greatly reduce water-born illness. Sounds good to me.

    • Christin

      Plastic bottles… in the sun… getting hot…

      I don’t think so.
      The chemicals from the plastic bottle will contaminate the water or food.

      • Granny Mae

        Might work OK if a person got some glass jugs like the kind that apple cider comes in at the grocery store. Save the glass jugs and use them instead of plastic ! It’s a thought !

        • Granny Mae

          could also use glass canning jars !

        • independant thinker

          You could also try contacting restrants. They might have glass jars or bottles that their condimints came in that they would save for you. I know I got a few gallon jugs (both glass and plastic) that way. We use most of them to store sugar in when we can get it on sale.

          • independant thinker

            Please excuse my spelling for I have had a couple two many whiskeys plus it is getting late.

            We prefer the plastic jugs for storing the sugar since they are lighter.

  • independant thinker

    Anyone who anticipates having to leave their home and go to the woods should check the websites of Cheaper than Dirt, Sportsmans Guide, and other sites that handle Government surplus. The assortments vary but you can get some good deals on new or excellent condition used surplus from them.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      thinker,
      I don’t know about the others, but the sportsmans guide also carries luurp rations and MREs!! those store for up to twenty years!!!

      • independant thinker

        I know Cheaper than Dirt has had MRE’s in the past as well as other freeze dried meals. Both of those companies as well as Natchez shooters supply are good sources of ammunition.

  • gene

    THE CAREER POLITICIANS HAVE NOT IMPRESSED ME OR THIS COUNTRY, SO THE SMART CHOICE IS TO PUT THE NEW GUY IN NO MATTER WHAT PARTY THERE RUNNING UNDER, and hopefully that may lead to less gov. control of our lives, less taxes, and freedoms that are our choices to make and not the government telling me what they should be.

  • Coach Jeff

    Mormons are encouraged to store one year’s worth of essentials. Most don’t reach that level. But I believe that a year’s worth is really needed to be, maybe, just weeks worth for the family, extended family and some neighbors. I can’t imagine that I would shut out my neighbors and live for a year while my neighbors starved. However, I would not be robbed. I have no children at home, so my firearms are stored in the same condition as my fire extinguishers: Fully loaded and regularly serviced. In tough times I foresee armed gangs of thugs looting food from where ever they can get it.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Coach jeff,
      That is the only way to have a gun. An unloaded gun is a liability! I have a finger print safe that recognises my prints and it only takes seconds. Has a key back-up if needed.

      • Christin

        Coach Jeff and Joe H.,
        There is a law is there not about loaded guns in households with minor children or is that a new law or a state law that they were trying to pass so that you were NOT loaded and ready to go. Did any of you hear about that?
        A finger print gun case, wow, nice… didn’t know there was such a thing. Can it hold two finger prints?

        • independant thinker

          “There is a law is there not about loaded guns in households with minor children”

          Christin, the laws on this vary from state to state and can even vary from one county or community to another within a state depending on state laws. In very broad terms what the laws say is a child may not have ready access to a firearm and its ammunition. Like I said the details vary so check your state and local laws for what applies in your location.

    • Granny Mae

      Coach Jeff,

      I have done the same thing. I have some staples and foods that I have put up in smaller pkgs that I can give out to people in need if they come around. My husband keep his gun loaded all the time and handy. The last thing you need is an empty gun when something happens. But then too all the men in this family are hunters so they always have their guns handy. They have them secured and safe from children and the older kids start learning to shoot when they reach teen age. They all take gun safety classes and go with their fathers and grandpa hunting for several years before they are allowed to handle a gun on their own. Our kids know that it is a huge responsibility to handle a gun. It is not a toy and must never be handled recklessly. Their guns are always lovked up and dad has the keys.

      • Granny Mae

        I might add that their guns are not kept in those fance gun cabinets! They don’t care to display their guns, instead they have them in gun safes that are bolted to the floor and wall and they are locked all the time !

        • independant thinker

          Good Idea. I do that also. Years ago I read in a gun magazine that you should lock up-0 your good guns and if you wanted to display some in a gun cabinet to put some non-shooters or parts guns in there for show.

          • Granny Mae

            That is a good idea ! My husband doesn’t like to talk about his guns because he doesn’t want to draw attention to them and have someone break in when we are gone . It’s funny but my mom and dad’s home was broken into and his gun that was in the gun cabinet was stolen but dad had his favorite gun sitting in the corner of the kitchen with his old jacket hung over it and they never saw it ! It was still there and my mom had a habit of taking her jewlery off and dropping it in some fancy little tea cups she had on display in the dinning room and that was the only jewlery that wasn’t missing ! Everything that was put away where it should be , they took but the things that were just plopped here and there, even though they were in plain sight were over looked. Something to keep in mind ! I have to laugh because that brings to mind something my sister did one Christmas. She had been after her teenage daughter to clean her room to no avail so as an experiment she hid her daughters christmas gifts in just about plain sight in her own bedroom ! Come Christmas morning when the daughter didn’t have her gifts under the tree she was very disapointed, then my sister told her she would have to clean her room to find her presents ! She said that room was a mess, but her daughter had it cleaned up in about 30 minutes ! Here she had been living with her gifts all right there for a couple weeks ! If she had moved a few things she would have seen them but she didn’t so there they stayed ! Incredable ! She is a grown woman now and keeps a very clean house ! Who’d a thunk it ?

  • independant thinker

    Granny Mae………..you might find this interesting. I was going thru some things I brought home from my mothers and found some old recipie books that were my grandmothers. The oldest was from 1916 and there were several from the 1920′s and 30′s. There were also many old recipies that were cut from magazines and also hand written ones. I plan to try some of them as time and availability allows.

  • Bonehead

    re: to Granny Mae says: October 18, 2010 at 8:43 pm about the beans drying out? I have read that the beans can be stored for up to 20-30 years? but in a Air tight 99.9% oxygen free cool area. This is not as hard to do as it sounds. Is your statement from beans stored in that manner or just beans in general? I kind of want to know because I have beans as a big part of my storage. They are cheap great in fiber and protein and iron. Glad I have the wheat grinder to make flower just in case.
    I am also interested in medical plants and herbs (diabeties) I just ordered 2 books out of this years farmers almanac 150 home remidies with Vinager and Almish healing secrets?( do not remember the exact name) I to feel this will be useful information in the near future.

    • independant thinker

      Check Mother Earth News and Herb Companion for additional ideas as well as other books that might prove useful. I know there are some books on American Indian foods, Medicines, and herbs out there that might be useful as well. the Brule web site might have something also try Southwest Indian Foundation.

      • http://windowsexplorer Beverly

        This is off subject, but does anyone have suggestions on where I might look for articles on sanitation? How and where to dig a latrine, etc. If water is not available for flushing toilets, what do you do? Also, what about bathing?

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