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Florida Court Strikes Proposed Constitutional Amendment On Healthcare

September 7, 2010 by  

Florida court strikes proposed constitutional amendment on healthcare Florida Supreme Court has rejected the attempt to consult voters on the Federal healthcare overhaul by striking a ballot initiative that would ask residents to support or oppose the measure.

The justices ruled that the summary of Amendment 9 — which was proposed by the GOP-controlled state legislature and would have blocked the Federal requirement for individuals to purchase insurance — was improperly phrased, according to BusinessWeek.

The decision was condemned by The American Legislative Exchange Council, whose Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act was the basis for the amendment, as well as some lawmakers from across the country.

State Representative Nancy Barto (R-Ariz.) said that "unfortunately, this judge has taken a technicality and used it to throw out what was a fair and constitutional amendment."

She warned that "Floridians will not be able to protect their freedom of choice in healthcare."

The Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act has been proposed in more than 40 states, and has become a statute in Virginia, Idaho, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana and Missouri.

States that permitted ballot initiatives this November on constitutional amendments regarding the healthcare reform are Colorado, Oklahoma and Arizona.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19935841-ADNFCR

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  • s c

    Let me guess. Florida is infested with social engineers and progressives on its ‘Supreme Court.’ Some people are determined to bypass the will of the people (not unlike a certain jerk in California).
    Floridians, I sympathize with your predicament. Go to work on those low-lifes, and get them out of anything that relates to the practice of law. Otherwise, get used to living under the collective thumbs of those who enjoy whizzing and moaning about ‘protecting’ the peple and subjugating them (you) at the same time.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      God help them as no politician ever will unless we vote the progressives out of office!!!

      • Richard Pawley

        If this doesn’t happen the month after next then you can kiss the USA you once knew goodbye. Even kicking out all the Marxist/Communist Socialist/Progressives on November 2nd will not stop the tripling of food and fuel (and imported goods) that will be result of the declining value of the dollar caused by the spending and printing of trillions of dollars by the 111th Congress, the FED, and it’s Treasury. Inflation takes a few years to work it’s way through the system but it is coming. We can’t replace the FED but if this congress is not replaced than Pelosi-Reid (rhymes with loco-weed)and their cohorts will wreck far worse havoc on our country than merely having food triple in price in the not-to-distant future. I see where the Union leaders are planning to spend a total of over $90.000,000.00 on re-electing Progressives using the forced contributions of all those who must join the union if they want to work (something Obama and the Democrats want for the whole country). No wonder some want the slave labor of illegals who work under the table and not to make English the language of the United States (so such people will always be second class citizens, and at a disadvantage). I think Glenn Beck is on to something when he says words to the effect that it will take more than votes, but a return to the godly principles of the Constitution which the progressives have been trying to get rid of for a hundred years, to save and restore the United States. We wouldn’t even have income tax except for the Progressives. Well, you have been warned. Believers need to pray or we may well go the way of ancient Israel when they too ‘forgot’ that it was God who gave them all they had, and not their kings. May God bless the United States and if we have made that impossible, at least all who love Him.

        • EddieW

          You are so totally right!!! The really sad thing is we can only kick half the corrupt and evil bad guys out at one time!! Sorry to say McCain is continuing among them!!!RINO!! It’s really scary to see how close to the end of a free nation we are!! and only in one election, must we change it, or all is lost!!! I hope this wakes up the people on a permanent basis!!!

        • Christin

          Well said Richard.
          Vote Constitutional Conservative when you can:
          Senate Conservatives:
          Pat Toomy – PA and Pray to God.

          • Christin

            Computer hic-up… see complete post below.

        • Christin

          Well said Richard.

          Vote Constitutional Conservative when you can:
          Senate Conservatives:
          Pat Toomy – PA, Marco Rubio – FL, Ken Buck – CO, Rand Paul – Kentucky, Mike Lee – UT, Sharron Angle – Nevada, Ron Johnson – Wisconson, Dino Rossi – Washington, Joe Miller – Alaska

          And Pray to God:
          “… if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
          2 Chronicles 7:14.

          God tells US, not the lost and liberal progressives, but us, the Believers, who are called by his name to PRAY!

          I challenge each of you to whom this description fits to pray each day for forgiveness, for restoration of ourselves and our country and for new Godly leaders through Nov. and if it is His will; He will heal our land.

          Remember about a decade ago they were promoting to “Vote your Values” in the church? Well, now we are hearing to “Vote the Bible” in our country church! God’s Blessings all.

          • Meteorlady

            Sorry but Dino Rossi? He’s a career politician and some of what he says makes me wonder about him. He has great financial backing but has been recycled through the governors race, and lost, and now unto the Senate. He has a chance in Eastern Washington, but no chance at all on the liberal/left west side. They love their tennis shoe Patti – she brings home the bacon time and time again.

          • Kent

            I agree with Christin and others for Conservatives to rule. At least they still believe in our constitutional Law.

      • Kent

        That’s right Joe; Here is what I am instructing all people who oppose the Obama health care plan to do. If the Judge in Florida rules against the lawsuit for the people or your Constitutional right to choose. Then Boycott any and all payments to the IRS, Government and/or join forces with your Employer to boycott any and all payments and penalties under the new ruling.

    • Gezandor

      S C seems to have pretty good description of his own personality: “low-life”. Just because you disagree with someone elses opinion does it make you feel good to call them names and characterize them into something undesireable?

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Are you a Totalitarian?

      • Donna

        OH yes it does give us the right to call them names! The first Amendment still is in effect! The Dems are calling the Conservative candidates and Tea Party people many names and making all kinds of false claims against them! However, conservatives are not vicious mongrels like the DEMS; they are peaceful freedom fighters.

        WAKE UP and realize that
        the American People who value their Freedom are AWAKE!

        • Robert Smith

          From Donna,

          >>>The Dems are calling the Conservative candidates and Tea Party people many names and making all kinds of false claims against them! <<<

          Really. Please elaborate about any falsehoods. To they come up to Sara's lie about "Death Pannels?"

          Rob

          • s c

            Earth to RS. You are at best a semanticist. Just because your White House “God” hasn’t got the guts or the integrity to call a manure pile a manure pile (in this case a death panel), it does NOT mean there’s nothing to it. England has what amounts to a death panel, and your paranoid icons are determined to see to it that we get the same, damned thing.
            What planet are you from, dude? When did someone surgically remove your conscience? Don’t you get tired of apologizing for those who have NO excuses for doing what they do?
            I get the impression that you keep a Gestapo uniform in your closet, and that you admire the Hitlerian goals and tactics being used by this herd of fascists in Washington. Your Prozac and Kruel Ade cocktail isn’t working. Get help now!

          • Richard Pawley

            Obama’s appointee and the head of medicare/medicad has already said that such rationing must be done with “our eyes wide open”. Could this mean that only those deserving to live will get treatment? In England which he admires so much a 23 year old was turned down for a liver transplant because even though he had joined AA and stopped drinking he was unsuccessful in convincing “their panel” that he had changed. They denied him the operation and he died at age 23. It’s all about money! We already spend twice as much as anyone else on earth and I recently read that we have slipped for 24th place to 42nd place in longevity. Even Jordan was listed as a country where people live longer than in the USA. Of course our GMO foodstuffs, and the excessive pesticides and pollution in our food and air, while nowhere near as bad as China, is still a contributing cause. Artificial bovine hormones illegal just about everywhere are OK here, and vaccines banned in Australia and Finland are being sold in our grocery stores for $30. I could go on and on but it’s why I wrote a book on some of this. Carpe Diem!

          • independant thinker

            I read in an article by, I believe Thomas Sowell, that the death rates used in these comparisons use all deaths including traffic accidents, drownings, etc in their statistics. The US has a much higher rate of accidental deaths so when you eliminate those deaths from the numbers we are at the top of the list in longevity..

          • http://yahoo richard

            the death panels are still there called rationing

          • http://naver samurai

            OK, here goes. Ready?

            1. Obama bin Laden says that he’s a Christian.
            2. Pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq within the first 6 months he is in office.
            3. He was born in America (No official birth certificate produced, so how do we know?”
            4. He sais his father fought in WWII.
            5. Said he is an American citizen (Though he is known for holding Indonesian citizenship.).
            6. Says he graduated from college (OOOPS! His transcripts have just magically disappeared!).
            7. Attended Rev. Wright’s church, but sayd he doesn’t have the same political and personal beliefs as Wright does.

            These are just a few, but there are sooooooooooooo many, that it would take a lot of time and typing to post them all. I hope you get the point. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            you didn’t post one little thing about attending church with Rev. wright. He attended there for 20+ years. That long and he didn’t agree with his politics?? What did wright have on him?!?!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai There he goes again…

            ;1. Obama bin Laden says that he’s a Christian.2. Pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq within the first 6 months he is in office.3. He was born in America (No official birth certificate produced, so how do we know?Said he is an American citizen (Though he is known for holding Indonesian citizenship.).6. Says he graduated from college (OOOPS! His transcripts have just magically disappeared!).7. Attended Rev. Wright’s church, but sayd he doesn’t have the same political and personal beliefs as Wright does.These are just a few, but there are sooooooooooooo many,;

            Sooooooooo many lies.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            My post seems to have been corrupted for some technical reason.

            Please take a few moments to check out the garbage and outright falsehoods and name calling about Obama.

            For example: Obama was brought up by his GRANDFATHER from the age of ten. It is that man who fills the father image and who was in WWII.

            Rob

          • planoguy

            Robert Smith – go back to your Huff Post. We know who you are. We also know the truth about BHO and no amount of your calling the facts “lies” is going make the truth change. Lipstick on a pig? Are you one of the paid plants? Me thinks so! You just spew and never check facts. Sounds like a script to me! But we aren’t buying a seat in your theatre – show’s over. And the final curtain on this “performance” comes down in November. Don’t let the doorknob hit you in the ### on the way out!

          • Jana

            The biggest lie of all is, Obama said he was up for the job. He campaigned hard for this job, yet he just can’t seem to ever get a handle on it. He is soooooo inadequate for this job, I find myself embarrassed for him. I am embarrassed for our country having voted in such an inept person.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes he did change it from his father to his grandfather, that I agree with you. As you see what I, and others, have posted here, how can you call so many facts lies? Are the libs leading you by the nose, like they are Obama bin Laden?

          • GregS

            Robert Smith, YOU are the one who is creating “falsehoods.” Sarah Palin did NOT “lie” about death panels. She actually PROPHESIED about death panels: Obama appointed Mr. Death Panel, himself (Donald Berwick), as rationing czar for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Thus, Obama is the LIAR, since he repeatedly denied any implication of death panels. Robert, you really need to get your facts straight!

      • Craig

        Any politician that goes against the will of the people or stands up for shoving an unconstitutional health care bill down our throats is a “low-life”, that is fact. They gave us the right to label them exactly what they are by their doings.

        • Jana

          Craig,
          You are so right. All he has only been interested in is pushing through his agendas. His main agenda is to change this country into one that has no power or value or standing. Now that his ratings are down he says oh, maybe we better work on the jobs. AARGH!!! He is so pathetic. And, he still has a few die hard followers and they are even more pathetic, as they believe his lies. He is in bed with selfish EVIL people, ie: Van Jones, Bill Ayers (Underground Weather Movement) and surrounds himself with Communists and Marxists and Socialists.
          The ones who are his die hard followers are one of the above, a Socialist or a Communist or a Marxist, there is no other excuse.

      • Big Ugly

        “Judges” are not GOD.
        Judges are bound by the LAW. They may (must) not legislate from the bench, it is one action they are forbidden. Too many “judges” have taken it upon themselves to make up their own laws as THEY see fit, and they MUST be held accountable. I am really surprised that some of these “judges” have not been dragged out by their heels, and been tarred & feathered by now.
        The “government” does not own you ….. you own the government. When the “government” becomes too powerful and no longer serves the will of the people, it is your RIGHT and your DUTY to undo that government, by force, if necessary.
        We are, currently, living under an UNLAWFUL government shepherded by the Usurper Obama. Until he PROVES his identity, we have no president, no Commander-in-Chief, no government with any legitimacy.

        • slickporsche

          I really think a lot of these judges believe they are God like and not of this earth. They have totally lost touch and should be forcefully removed.

          • 45caliber

            I agree.

        • kate8

          Big Ug – Amen! You hit the nail square on the head.

          I live in California and, it seems, our legislature and Governator are all on board with this monstrosity. I haven’t heard any rumblings here about blocking it.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Ack..! Sorry to hear your in Cali…the state has some serious issues as it sides with Obummer against Arizona.

            Here’s a link that I found that you’ll find interesting. I use to really like Arnold until I learned who he really is. Let me know your thoughts, Kate8…perhaps you know sumtin I don’t.

            http://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm

            Wish that info above was wrong but my cross reference brings the same information out…damnit…I used to really respect that guy when I was a kid & loved Conan. (Step father use to call him, Conebrain. lol)

          • kate8

            BrotherPatriot, Nothing would surprise me. Even during the special election, some of this came out, but people were so desperate to be rid of Gray Davis that it didn’t get much traction. He had much more name recognition than Tom McClintock, who was the better choice, so he was pretty much a shoo-in.

            Now we see that Arnold is another pick of the world elite, going along with everything Obama and this Congress can ram through. He said he’d be tough on illegal immigration, but he does nothing but pander to illegals.

            There was a time when I’d say he can’t run for POTUS, but after Obama, we see that is no longer the case.

            I’ve lived here all my life, since back when it was truly the Golden State. Democrats/socialists have destroyed it.

        • Christin

          If the Judges were appointed by (Former!) Gov. Crist and not elected… I THINK YOU FLORIDIANS KNOW WHAT you have to do in Nov… ELECT A NEW GOVERNOR. Try Constitutional Conservative Marco Rubio. Can Newly elected Rubio then make new conservative judge appointments?? Let’s hope so. Case solved until BO takes away States Sovereignty and allows the UN/ NWO to dictate laws, like he is trying in the AZ Case.

        • al

          Big Ugly it is our right and our duty. When do we start.

      • Mick

        Gezandor says:
        September 7, 2010 at 9:26 am
        S C seems to have pretty good description of his own personality: “low-life”. Just because you disagree with someone elses opinion does it make you feel good to call them names and characterize them into something undesireable?
        ********************************
        Gezandor…..Your ideology is fine and dandy as long as it doesn’t affect the rest of the country.
        It comes a time when calling a spade a spade becomes necessary to counter the political correctness crap you progressives have been shoving down our throats for decades leading to the weakening of our strength and moral values to the point of the near destruction of our America.
        Liberals don’t like to be called names,oh freaking well, it’s pass time to let the public know how their so called opinions are decimated the country we should all hold dear and if words like morons , imbeciles, crooks and many more are needed to expose their sickness, so be it, we certainly will not regain our once wonderful status by kissing all of you azzes……………..

        • s c

          Mick, people like G haven’t lived long enough to be able to sort theory from fact. They have too much faith in organized crime (politicians). They wear rose-colored glasses that keep them from seeing what they need to see. They gladly sacrifice reason for whatever “feels good.” They have no use for standards.
          They couldn’t define hypocrisy if they had a complete Oxford English Dictionary. They adopt Hitlerian methods to do what they do, and then they get outraged when they are forced to think about what they’ve done.
          They are a sad lot, and it takes years to get some of them to see the error of their ways. Some never learn. The rest might as well be put in front of a firing squad. A typical closet progressive like G would benefit from ‘volunteering’ to go and fight in Afghanistan, where they could see for themselves how their false White House “God” is screwing America and their kids and their grandkids.

          • Mick

            s c says:
            September 7, 2010 at 11:11 am
            Mick, people like G haven’t lived long enough to be able to sort theory from fact. They have too much faith in organized crime (politicians). They wear rose-colored glasses that keep them from seeing what they need to see. They gladly sacrifice reason for whatever “feels good.” They have no use for standards.
            They couldn’t define hypocrisy if they had a complete Oxford English Dictionary. They adopt Hitlerian methods to do what they do, and then they get outraged when they are forced to think about what they’ve done.
            They are a sad lot, and it takes years to get some of them to see the error of their ways. Some never learn. The rest might as well be put in front of a firing squad. A typical closet progressive like G would benefit from ‘volunteering’ to go and fight in Afghanistan, where they could see for themselves how their false White House “God” is screwing America and their kids and their grandkids
            **********************************
            s c,,,There are way too many thinking on he same lines as G, our educational system has seen to that. Pretty pitiful to see all of that money spent on a so called higher education to produce such an idiotic society,,,,,

          • kate8

            sc – Being attacked by a progressive is a badge of honor. And you are among those of the highest honor.

            I know you already know this. I just wanted to say it.

            Godspeed, fellow patriot.

      • marvin

        Gezandor for your pea brain sc was refering to a homosexual judge in cal blocking prop 8 we the people have that right to vote on what we think is best for all not just the small minded minority if you find voting so bad by the majority on any subject,don,t vote in this country anytime over 50% say yes to something it is not for the feds to say no,the feds won,t enforce laws on the book and don,t want the states to but want to tell we the people what we can and can not vote on

        • Robert Smith

          From marvin: >>> sc was refering to a homosexual judge in cal blocking prop 8 we the people have that right to vote on what we think is best for all not just the small minded minority<<<

          Really… And opposing unequal treatment under law is a bad thing.

          Judges TOSS OUT bad laws. If the majority in a vote said that slavery should come back would you agree?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Can we please quit bringing back slavery? It’s dead and buried, except for a few muslim countries. The judge in this case only used his personal feelings and beliefs, not the law or the Constitution. You are right about people’s rights being protected, but you can’t favor the minority so much that if adversely affects the majority. I seem to remember a term for this called “reverse discrimination.” This is where you discriminate against the majority. Like Clintons affirmative action programs and U of Michigan’s ways of holding seats for minorities, though they are not qualified to be in college. Please, let’s quit beating the dead horse. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai posted: >>>Can we please quit bringing back slavery?<<<

            Nope. It's an excellent example of something that in fact the South did VOTE on. In America slavery was pretty much outlawed because it didn't treat all men equally.

            Do you have a problem with blacks being called "men" or "women?"

            The fact is that legislation that denies rights is BAD legislation and the SCOTUS is supposed to strike down those laws.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Yes Rob,
            and you are voting FOR it again. You and yours are putting our children into slavery.

          • kate8

            Well, gee, Robert, slavery is exactly what Obama and his cronies are inflicting on us. Overtaxation, over-regulation of every aspect of our lives, forcing us to buy and do things we oppose, subjecting our children to indoctrination against our will, mandating youth corps, telling us what to do and how concerning everything…

            This is nothing less than slavery.

          • http://naver samurai

            Soory rob, but I have nothing against African Americans (black is a racial term, moron!). I’ve known many good people who are African Americans. You keep talking about gay rights and I hate to tell you, they don’t get any more special treatment then the rest of us. Defense of Marriage Act. It’s the law of the land, so get over it. One man and one woman. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Practice what you preach, boy!

      • American Citizen

        What’s wrong with calling a spade a spade? Or a jerk a jerk?

      • Meteorlady

        Lets see….. I live in Texas. I have a master’s degree. I am not stupid and my community has many churches and a lot of really good people. We believe in hard work, taking care of those in our community that need our “TEMPORARY’ help to get going again. We work hard to make our community a decent place to live and we do not support illegals.

        Names for me? “Redneck” seems to be the favorite, then comes “right wing wacko”, “bible thumping nutcase”, ‘whitey’, ‘bigot’, ‘racist”, etc.

        I take those with a grain of salt because they come from petulant children who can’t think of anything really constructive to say and have no facts to enhance their positions.

    • FlaJim

      This is outrageous. I thought we’d cleaned house of these tin gods but apparently, there are still too many of them.

      We Floridians need to research these ‘guardians’ and make sure they get bounced next time there’s a retention vote for any of them.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi s c,

      >>>Some people are determined to bypass the will of the people <<<

      If the "people" support slvery (as they once did in the South) it is still WRONG.

      If the "people" support bigotry and hatred as they did against blacks with "separate but equal" garbage, they are still WRONG.

      It is the JOB of the SCOTUS, as set out by the Founders, to toss out bad laws.

      Rob

      • kate8

        Robert Smith, if ANY law was ever unconstitutional, it is this healthcare debacle.

        It is the job of judges to uphold the Constitution, not legislate. It is not their job to change the meaning of the Constitution, nor to simply toss out laws that don’t suit their political agenda.

        Culture has meaning, and laws are made to follow the mores and traditions of the culture. It is our culture that you progressives have worked so long and hard to dissolve, and your aim is “anything goes”, except for decency, tradition and morality and those who still adhere to those things.

        You progressive androids can’t even see down the road to where this is leading. Same place it has always led: bondage. You think you are building an Utopia where you can be free of pesky things like “conscience”, “responsibility”, and “accountability”. Instead, you walking headlong into your worst nightmare.

        • Christin

          Agree, kate8.

          The Road Not Taken By Robert Frost

          “Two roads diverged in a wood and I–
          I took the one less traveled by,
          And that has made ALL the difference.”

          Matthew 7: 13-14
          “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter it are many. But the gate is narrow and the road hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”

          • http://naver samurai

            Christin and Kate8, I agree with you both. Though the states can enact the 10th Amendment of the Constitution to do this. This means that the states can, if a law is unconstitutional, nullify it and send it packing back to Washington. Some people call it the “state’s rights” amendment. This was set up to ensure that government doesn’t get too big and force it’s will and control upon the states. I hope Indiana gets the message and does this. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Hi kate8,

          >>>Robert Smith, if ANY law was ever unconstitutional, it is this healthcare debacle.<<<

          Nope. In our health care system where so many are dying I'll use the Decleration of Independance. Remember that "LIFE" that so many like to use when they talk about baaaaaabeeees being abored? Well, why quit when they are born?

          Anyone who claims to be "pro-life" should be supporting universal health care in America's abusive pay or die system.

          Rob

          • planoguy

            Robert Smith – you have drank too much kool-aid. If our health care system is so bad – why are people from other countries coming here for help? WHy do Canadians come to the US – and pay for treatment – when they can have it for “free” at home? Because it is inferior. Socialized medicine sucks – plain and simple. It is equally mediocre. Why don’t you move to Canada or England? Oh, by the way, England is reconsidering it’s “socialized medicine” program now. Seems they too know agree it sucks. If you don’t like the prices, do something about the ambulance chasing attorneys. Support torte reform and stop frivolous lawsuits. Don’t make malpractice insurance for OB/GYN cost $1M per year. Who pays for that? WE DO. Thank the crooked lawyers and stupid court decisions for promoting it all.

          • kate8

            Robert, obviously you didn’t read my whole post. My points still stand.

            Are you saying that we are all responsible to pay for the care of all the babies everyone has? Should you not only bring children into the world if you are able to care for them?

            Like I said, keep your healthcare. I want no part of it, and Congress has no right to force me. I am a sovereign person. If Congress can force me to do what I choose not to do, then I am a slave.

          • http://naver samurai

            The pro life choice means being anti abortion, moron! Please state some real facts and cite your sources! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jana

          Hmmm, sounds to me like Obummer is trying to bring back slavery. He is enslaving our children with almost every bill he passes.

    • old white guy

      too many old f–ks in florida. i am an old fart and go to fl every year. but no one other than me should have to pay for anything for me.

  • TIME

    Can you hear that sound?

    Thats The sound of Federal Judges hitting the Unemployed ranks?

    The sound of congress persons being tossed out of office.

    Can you hear the senate persons shoes hit the pavement?

    I got into removing unwanted scum years ago, now its your turn and united we can ~ can YES WE CAN. CHANGE is in the AIR.

    You all have your tasks ahead vote ~ Vote strong, Vote hard, Vote often, JUST VOTE the SCUM bags out.
    Then stay on the new one like Glue to make sure they do what you put them there to do!

    DEFUND all of it, take away all money congress has to spend, and watch the crap fly.

    Lets take Barry Soetoro’s teeth away one at a time until he opens his mouth when we the people speak, not when he wants.

    • Al Sieber

      I’m ready, can’t wait to vote them out.

      • Robert Smith

        Fro Al Sieber: >>>I’m ready, can’t wait to vote them out.<<<

        And hand the keys back to the folks who drove the economy into a ditch and got us into two wars?

        Do you really support our current "pay or die" health care and continue to claim you might be pro-life?

        Rob

        • Christin

          I think most conservatives want out of the war and out of Afghanistan. It may have been good to put forth an assult after 9/11, but now we need to bring our men and women in uniform home to protect our borders from drugs, violence, people smuggling, randoms,illegal aliens, drug cartels, and organized crime flowing from the south and far south and protect us from an unconstitutional government& Unions spending us into an economic crash and the Fall of America.

          • Jana

            Christin,
            I do agree with you on this, but they keep saying the military would not be allowed to do this. I don’t know why, I guess it would just make too much sense. We are after all being invaded by another country.

          • Robert Smith

            From Christin: >>>protect our borders from drugs, violence, people smuggling,…<<<

            Hey Christin, if you support freedom the solution to much of what you are complaining about is simple: End Prohibition!

            The laws against alcohol only got us organized crime. The drugs continue to support it.

            Take the money out of it, let recreational drugs be taxed (and be cheaper at the same time) and there won't be anything to fight over.

            But, I guess the nanny state of the right just won't allow something they consider to be immoral. Oh well. May I point out your double standards are showing?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, just where do you get prohibition? That was overturned during the days of FDR. I think you need to get out more and get some fresh air. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Christin

            You are right Jana, they will not let our military protect us on our own land from invasion from foreigners and crime.

            Robert, NO to legalizing “illegal (recreational) drugs.” Do you NOT have any morals? Our children don’t need to be wasting their (parent’s) money and life on “illegal drug” use. Drugs are wrong and toxic to our bodies. One will not find a life filled with love, hope, truth and life addicted to illegal drug use. Only stupid lefties, greens, hippies, illegals, criminal drug dealers and the lost are pushing this issue to break down the family and moral values of America.

            And the Nanny State is complements of the Liberal democrats who are pandering to their voting class by paying their way so they will be complacent and vote those politicians back in so they can get more money. Nanny State is NOT a Conservative ideal.

            You Rob, are the double talker and frankly your talk’s cheap.

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob sounds like he was an abused child!

        • kate8

          Robert S – Better to have “pay or die” healthcare than “pay more and still die”.

          Many of us do not use conventional medicine, but you would have government force us to buy it, anyway, and control what we do with our own bodies. They will mandate physicals, vaccinations and “treatments”. And they will deprive us of our choices.

          You cheer freedom of choice when it comes to abortion, but you would force us to hand over our health choices?

          Your side rightly deserves it’s label as the “culture of death”. In so many ways.

          Your side demands everything be “your way or….” well, there is no ‘or’.

          You people are sickening. In fact, you are why our nation IS sick.

          • Robert Smith

            From kate8: >>> They will mandate physicals, vaccinations and “treatments”. And they will deprive us of our choices.<<>>You cheer freedom of choice when it comes to abortion<<>> but you would force us to hand over our health choices?<<>>Your side rightly deserves it’s label as the “culture of death”. In so many ways.<<>>Your side demands everything be “your way or….” well, there is no ‘or’. <<<

            You can either have an abortion or not. That's the American way.

            Oregon voted TWICE for the choice of assisted suicide. Who are you to take such a choice from an adult?

            Rob

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            You are so right.

          • kate8

            Robert, once again, my point was lost on you.

            I see that you have a closed mind.

          • kate8

            I just heard that George Soros pays liberal bloggers six figures to spew their propaganda on conservative sites.

            Nice work. Too bad they have to sell their souls to get it.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but both are wrong in the eye’s of God.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but having an abortion or not isn’t the American way. The American way is to have the child, raise the child, take care of the child, and try to let him/her have a good life. Killing the child isn’t an option! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Average Joe

          ?And hand the keys back to the folks who drove the economy into a ditch and got us into two wars?”
          You mean the demacratic controlled congress and senate?or have you forgoteen that the Dems took contol in 2006? Short term memory loss?
          What amazes me is that Obama and the demacrats have shoved all of this crap (Healthcare, Cap and Tax …er Trade…yes it has been passed [ALERT: It looks like the climate bill debate has already been decided by Washington and voters didn't even have a chance to say "NO!" A staggering $65 billion dollars has been transferred from the private sector to fund the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI.) RGGI is government created entity that is choking companies in the northeast with huge tax increases in the name of the environment. Our tax dollars are funding this secret climate initiative. Soon RGGI will expand to every state and stick you with astronomical energy prices.] down our throats (will of the people be damned) since taking office. Now that the Dems are falling like lead in the polls, Obama introduces a jobs bill (over the weekend)…Why wasn’t this implemented first? Could it be political posturing?…some of us ain’t buying it.
          So , I guess in your opinion, the last administration put the car in the ditch and rather than pulling the car out…we should just push it over the cliff…I mean why do the smart thing?
          As I stated earlier, I won’t comply….put me in jail and you better get another kob or two…so that you can support me and all like minded American Patriots who will be there with me…we will have free healthcare, three hots and a cot….all at your expense.

          • Christin

            Great analogy. Joe, with the car in the ditch and pushed over the cliff!

          • Robert Smith

            From Average Joe: You mean the demacratic controlled congress and senate?or have you forgoteen that the Dems took contol in 2006?;Healthcare;, Cap and Tax …er Trade…yes it has been passed RGGI is government created entity that is choking companies in the northeast with huge tax increases in the name of the environment. Our tax dollars are funding this secret climate initiative.; Soon RGGI will expand to every state and stick you with astronomical energy prices.; Obama introduces a jobs bill (over the weekend)…Why wasn’t this implemented first?;we should just push it over the cliff…I mean why do the smart thing?I won’t comply….put me in jail ;

            Awwww Joe, are you gonna quit paying taxes? Can I quit because I dont like the wars? Can I quit because I dont like the pay or die health care in palce? Can I quit when folks in the Bush administration outed spies and got people killed?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Never mind rob. His role model was Josef Gobbels!

          • Average Joe

            Robert Smith says:
            September 7, 2010 at 10:03 pm

            “Awwww Joe, are you gonna quit paying taxes? Can I quit because I dont like the wars? Can I quit because I dont like the pay or die health care in palce? Can I quit when folks in the Bush administration outed spies and got people killed?”

            Gee, I don’t know…can you? Sorry, I can’t give you permission to do one single thing in life…I believe that is your dicision…or are you unable to make dicisions for yourself and need the nanny state to hold your hand and tell you what to think, eat, feel and everything else in life…Stand up and make your own dicisions in life….you are not my responsibility….I have…regardless of the consequences. Some of us actually stand on our convitions…Some of you just roll with the punches. You deal with your dicisions and I’ll deal with mine.

          • Average Joe

            samurai says:
            September 8, 2010 at 4:24 am
            Never mind rob. His role model was Josef Gobbels!

            Actually I think it was one too many episodes of “Barney” the purple dinosaur…I don’t think he ever grew out of that stage…..The world always looks rosey through rose colored glasses….and veiw is always the same when you always look out of the same window….

            To be matter-of-fact about the world is to blunder into fantasy – and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • http://naver samurai

            You described rob very well. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          Robert Smith-

          Are you David Axelrod? Robert Gibbs? Nancy Pelosi? You sound just like them.

          • Robert Smith

            Allan thinks I’m some popular figures. I am simply a concerned American who doesn’t want our great country corrupted by selfish nasties who just don’t care about others.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, you just described this current administration to a “T”! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • American Citizen

          I believe it’s the Democrats that drove us into the ditch, vis a vis, Rangel and his cohorts who were supposed to oversee the mortgage companies. Democrats have been in power for 4 years now and look where we are.

          • Christin

            Actually, the mortgage mess started under Clinton and the demo Congress… no big surprise there!
            Bush 2 warned Congress several times about the problem, but the liberal congessional sound bites from B. Frank, M. Waters and many others…blah,blah,blah stating that all was sound, are history. Can’t believe people still vote for Frank, the lier.

          • planoguy

            Christin and American Citizen – you are 100% Correct! But Rob will continue to spin and spin, lie, blame, play race card, accuse Conservatives of being Terrorists, and blame some more. He is not interested in meaningful dialogue – he just wants to be an “irritant”. Probably one of the paid libs trying to make a buck in the wonderful BHO promoted “jobs explosion”.

          • Jana

            American Citizen,
            Even when the Deomocrats weren’t in the majority, they acted like they were, and so did the weak kneed RINO’S. They still got what they wanted most of the time. We need people in Congress that will stand up to the corruption and the Dems. The Democratic Party has become the Socialist Party and should be called that now.
            If we can rescue the Republican Party and bring it back to what it should be, we will be very fortunate.

        • http://naver samurai

          Don’t forget, your girlfriend Hillary voted to go to war also. You should also know that we are winning victories against this unconstitutional Osamacare program. We’re winning in Missouri and Virginia. Florida, along with other states, have injuctions agaisnt it. We can also use the 10th Amendment of the Constitution to nullify it. Why do you always say: “…And you are pro life?” Pro life, moron, is what people who are anti abortion and believe the life of the unborn child, not the mother’s lifestyle, is what’s important. Please get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: >>>Don’t forget, your girlfriend Hillary voted to go to war also.<<<

            Many voted for the war. They were lied to.

            BTW, anyone ever find any weapons of mass destruction?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes, rob, so were Clinton, Tony Blair, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. Gee, you would have to be a pretty good liar to fool all these people, wouldn’t you? If really believe these things you say, then stand in front of the families of the people that died on 9/11 and tell them that. I guarantee you’ll get a response. It may even be violent. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            rob,
            what about the yellow cake uranium that was found and sent to, I believe Canada? There were also found shells with traces of weapons grade chemicals on them buried in the sand near Baghdad!

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, what about the 6 mobile chem labs that we found? What about the parts for nukes we found buried in the desert? What about the tons of chem weapons sent to Syria a week before the invasion? What about members of Al Queda that were caught with them in Jordan to kill Jordanians? Where did they get it? They originated (20 tons of the stuff.) coming from storage facilities in Iraq! Please check up on your facts before you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Al Sieber

          Hey Robert Smith, I don’t like anything forced on me, including Health Care. so you have no right talking about what the founding father’s wanted. I don’t need your president telling me what to do or anyone else for that matter. you want a argument with me? bring it on, you’ll lose.

          • Al Sieber

            Also, Robert, the economy is in the ditch because of the Federal Reserve who were put in power in 1913, not the previous administration.

          • Robert Smith

            Al Siber declares: >>> I don’t need your president telling me what to do or anyone else for that matter. <<<

            Well… I don't want to be told not to have an abortion.

            I don't want to be told I can't have pot to relieve pain.

            I don't want to be told I can exit this life with dignity.

            Yet some many from the right want to run my life, and I didn't have to make any lies up like those who are opposed to universal health care do.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, if you believe these piles of crap you are trying to sell us, then go ahead and do it. Off yourself, have your girlfriend/wife get an abortion, or smoke enough weed and get busted by the police. Just another lib with this stupid “if it feels good do it” mentality. What a waste of skin! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Christin

            I think Robert’s pregnant and is going through a crisis.
            We should let him leave this site with dignity.
            He’s got a J waiting… bye Rob guy.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            you know rob,
            I don’t think anybody here would try to stop YOU from leaving this life with what little dignity you have left, and believe me it isn’t much!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Al says: >>>I don’t like anything forced on me, including Health Care.<<<

            OK, don't take advantage of it and pay for it yourself. Nobody will complain. Don't take advantage by hiring anyone who got a public education. Don't take advantage of anyone who was traind for skills and leadership in the U.S. Military.

            Live your life as you want, Al.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob is just ranting and makes no sense whatsoever!

        • planoguy

          Let’s see – DEMOCRAT LIB POTUS, DEMOCRAT LIB controlled Congress that won’t even give Republicans the time of day. DEMOCRAT LIB controlled Congress during end of BUSH tenure that did it all. Note: CONGRESS SPENDS THE MONEY – not the POTUS. So get off the “blame Bush” thing! It’s really passe, and no one believes it anymore. Next you’ll try the race card! LOL

    • IRA

      Hello TIME and everyone, You’re preaching to the choir here. That seems to be what goes on in this forum and elsewhere. I hate to tell you and everyone else that you are delusional, if you think things are going to change in November,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,unless, we who think like we do here can CONVINCE the liberal voters, who are the real problem by the way, and not O and his cronies, to change how THEY vote. After all THEY are the ones who put O and his cronies in power. Find the time, seek out a liberal or two, and try to convince them to vote differently. I’ve personally tried it with two people that I know are liberals, and it’s like talking to a brick wall, into falling down on it’s own. Ira.

      • kate8

        IRA, From the way things appear, it is tempting to believe that you are right, that there is no hope of reclaiming our country…

        But, a defeatist attitude is a trap, and in INSURES that we will fail. This is why the progressives work hard to make us believe that we have no chance.

        It is IMPERATIVE that we keep focused on the goal, and refuse to see any possiblity of failure. FAILURE IS SIMPLY NOT AN OPTION.

        If we believe in Truth and keep ourselves aligned with Truth, we align with Universal Forces that open doors and pave the Way.

        WE MUST KEEP FAITH. It is our only hope.

        • http://naver samurai

          Well said, fellow patriot!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          kate8,
          most polls only show a 56% presidential approval rating among dems as it stands right now down from 72% so there is a very good chance there are enough dems disillusioned that we WILL change things in Nov!!!

        • planoguy

          Well said! We MUST stay focused! The libs are sending more and more attack dogs to try to stir things up. Soros and his ilk are even starting a group to track the Tea Party and try to screw it up! Really pathetic! Knows he’s going to lose based on platform and performance, so stooping even lower to try to smear. Real piece of work, as are the minions that follow him. Seems to me that there is a really hot place that is getting ready to receive some more minions…
          God help us to focus and achieve the objective!

        • Robert Smith

          From kate8 who is tryint to paint others: >>>This is why the progressives work hard to make us believe that we have no chance.<<<

          No, actually believing that the world is a better place when it isn't in the hands of religious nuts is what drives many progressives.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Don’t even begin going down that road. Your atheism won’t get you anywhere here, moron! The subject is Obamacare and not these little sidetracks you are trying to create. You say that being a christian is wrong? I’ll tell you something a pastor of mine once told me: “If believing in God and Jesus is wrong, I don’t ever want to be right.” Take the hint and go peddle your load of crap somewhere else. Take your drugs and pass on to the here after. Kill yourself. Have your she/he wife get an abortion and you sit there and watch the entire process, so you know what these woman go through. Why so many of them suffer depression afterwards? You’ll have a front row seat into the works of satan and not the whims of men. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samuri says: >>> Your atheism won’t get you anywhere… <<<

            Why do you make stuff up, samuri? I'm not an atheist. Never said I was. MOF, I haven't said I'm anything, and I don't.

            Why not?

            Because I believe that if someone follows a path because I'm on it it may not be right for them. I also believe that if someone doesn't follow a path because I'm on it again it might not be the correct path for them. EACH person must decide for themselves IMO.

            And, your wasted effort of trying to assign things to others is a real diaper load. Who are you playing to? Let me guess Maybe some fellow ditto heads who are too weak to have opinions of their own?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            If you have an opinion to post, fine. That’s not the problem. The problem is that you state things with no real facts or factual sources to back them up with. Always baby killing, illegal drugs, suicide (which is a sin in the eyes of God.), and not really anything else. You try to defend this unconstitutional Osamacare, but in reality it won’t get off of the ground next year. It’ll cost too much and many states are ready to evoke their right under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. The one that grants power to the states to nullify any and all laws that are unconstitutional. The president cannot override this action, though I’m sure he’ll try. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • 45caliber

        The liberals only make up about 25% of the voters. The independents are the ones we need to talk to and wake up. And I believe many are. If we can just keep them that way ….

        • Christin

          There are also a lot of American citizens that don’t even bother to vote, but could and should put forth the effort now that our country and our very existence is at stake.

    • old white guy

      you will only do it at the barrel of a gun as one of o hussien’s has stated.

  • Michael J.

    Florida Supreme Court Justices Charles Canady and Ricky Polston cast the dissenting vote blocking Floridians from being able to choose Obamacare or not in the upcoming midterm elections. No surprise, both were appointed by Gov. Charlie Crist, who recently left the Republican Party to run as an independent for U.S. Senator.
    Crist continues to make a SPECTERacle of himself in his bid to be nominated RINO of the year by the phony potus.

    • J.M.R.

      crist is just another lying liberal, everyone you all said it realwell except for the one liberal joker

      • wavesofgrain

        Jmr…I agree.

      • slickporsche

        Yes, do not trust that sucker, “no way” never. He will stab you in the back first chance he gets.Crist is even worse than Obama.

    • Bob

      Judges rule as they are told just like politicians do as they arew told. If they don’t play ball they get no contributions in the next election.

      • old white guy

        for all you aholes who don’t read, there is the second amendment. unfortunately this will actually require action and not words. the internet is not freedom.

  • http://www.thehullteam.com Richard Hull

    How can the American people, who still live by the constitution and the values upon which this great nation was founded, win when the courts are filled with liberal “do-gooder” judges. Judges who do not uphold the Constitution of the United States of America should be, at the very least, stripped of their robes and at the most jailed for treason. For that matter Obama should be jailed for treason.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. But I’m not sure you can try Oblama for treason. To commit treason, he’d have to be an American citizen.

    • old white guy

      problem is nobody lives by it. your current situation proves that. duh.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Once again we see the will of the people ignored.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Robin,

      You state: >>>Once again we see the will of the people ignored.<<<

      What do you think of the vote in Oregon that TWICE said that assisted suicide was OK?

      What do you think about more than a dozen states VOTING in favor of medical pot?

      BTW, thus far I don't play with either, but both are an option I wouldn't deny another.

      Rob

      • kate8

        Rober Smith, some things simply do not warrant the government’s interference. Having government get involved with certain matters of such a personal nature can only lead down a slippery slope of more government power over our individual lives.

        People commit suicide without government’s involvement. They smoke pot without government’s blessing.

        There are just some areas where government should not tread. Period. It is far too dangerous to have BigBro involved in our every intake of breath.

        We need LESS government, not more. LESS is liberty. MORE is tyranny. I don’t see why that is so difficult for you progressives to understand.

        • 45caliber

          I agree with you, kate8.

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, rob, rob, why the daily infusion of kool aid before coming on site? Remember: The vision to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters. This is one of our founding principles told by our christian founding fathers. The others are self reliance and personal responsibility. You are responsible for getting your own insurance and paying it, not the government. The first founding principle I told you means to keep the government limited to do certain things and everything else is to be left up to the states. Why don’t you understand our Constitution? LESS is MORE! Limited government serves the people, bigger government the people become slaves to their leaders. Stay on subject and off of the weed, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          From kate8: >>>We need LESS government, not more. LESS is liberty. MORE is tyranny. <<<

          Really… Is that why the Bush administration pushed to find out who was checking out what from Libraries?

          Is that why all the illegal wire-taps?

          Is that why spending went up so much during the Bush years, and government employees multiplied?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I think you have been reading toooooooooooo many spy novels!

          • http://naver samurai

            It seems you haven’t read the Patriot Act I and II. Wire tapping is only authorized in cases of a person, or group, being investigated for acts of terrorism or criminal activity. Get your facts straight before you post, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Average Joe

            “Really… Is that why the Bush administration pushed to find out who was checking out what from Libraries?

            Is that why all the illegal wire-taps?

            Is that why spending went up so much during the Bush years, and government employees multiplied?”

            Just because it was done, does not mean we condone it….many of us were just as upset with the previous administration as we are with this one. You seem to forget, we did not do these things…politians did. Most true conservatives ( not republicans or democrats) Don’t want the government involved in our personal lives…we believe they should be limited to Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…17 enumerated powers ….and nothing more. Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives as we see fit… We don;t care what you do, so long as you don’t infringe upon another person’s rights…smaller government?..yes….less restrictions on our freedoms?….yes…statesmen over polititians?…yes
            …More people with common sense?…yes.

            Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
            Robert A. Heinlein

            I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
            Robert A. Heinlein

      • http://naver samurai

        Stay on the subject and quit diverting our attention, rob! If you can’t stay on subject, them go home. Your mother is calling you.

        • Al Sieber

          It’s time for Rob’s hot chocolate and bed time story.

        • Robert Smith

          samurai doesn’t have any real answers so he goes into intimidation mode. Let’s watch: >>>Stay on the subject and quit diverting our attention<<<

          The subject appears to be that some are disappointed with bad laws being tossed out, although sometimes it's difficult to tell because there are so many lies about Obama here.

          BTW, anybody see the part where the man who brought him up, his grandfather, was mistakenly called his father by Obama? They guy was in fact a WWII vet.

          Imagine that, the guy who brought Obama up was a WWII vet, just like MY dad, and millions of others.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            That would be kind of difficult to do, since he was living in Indonesia till he was in high school. Wouldn’t you know it, his records there are missing too. What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • planoguy

        Nice try lib (Robert) – the redirect won’t work. Go back home to the Huff Post. You have no interest in solving the mess BHO and our lib Congress have created.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Planoguy,
          I think we need to start ignoring anybody that dosn’t stay on the subject of the thread!! Myself included!

      • http://naver samurai

        If all you are going to talk about is abortion, illegal drugs, and suicide, then just go home. Your sounding like a broken record. Constantly repeating yourself, but no one is listening to you. Give it up, because you can’t win against the forces of good on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • bbstacker

    I still am amazed that a few “judges”, and I use the term loosely, can sit on their ivory posts and make decisions regarding the lives of tens of millions of people. As if those “judges” decided amongst themselves that they alone hold the power and omnipotence to determine the fate of those who pay them, elected them and should hopefully be getting very sick and tired of them.

    Those who give up Liberty for security shall have neither.

    • 45caliber

      The Constitutional limits on federal judges were set because at the time of the Revolution, the English judges had unlimited power. They used it for such things as seizing property to give to themselves or their friends, releasing their friends or family from criminal law and punishing those who tried to get justice, etc. There is even talk of returning to that type of justice in England today on the grounds that people are causing too much trouble.

      All our federal judges are doing is trying to achieve that power again.

      • kate8

        45, That’s already been done in Colorado. Judge seized property from a citizen and gave it to one of his friends – who was also another judge, I think.

        Remember that case from a few years ago?

        • 45caliber

          It’s been done here in Texas too about ten years ago. The judge was ruling in favor of his law partnership when they would loan about 10 grand to a rancher and then seize his entire ranch (worth millions) for repayment. Some people reminded that ranchers that if the government (including the judge) seizes property work more than the loan, they can sue the judge for compensation for the remainder of the property. They did.

      • Robert Smith

        45caliber says: >>>All our federal judges are doing is trying to achieve that power again.<<<

        Actually it was the church and those who went along with it who took lots of property from "witches" they didn't like. Instead of simply taking their stuff they had to go through a "trial" and burn them. Anyone else around here heard of the Malleus Mallificarum? It was a better seller than the christian bible for several years.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Stay on subject and you better cite your sources.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey samurai! Haven’t you ever heard of witches being burned?

            Check it out. It’s in all the history books.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes rob, but it all started when some kids told some lies about someone they didn’t like. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://ADLCourtRuling Charles

    I think that the courts now days has to much authority when it comes to the private lives of the people.i don’t think that a judge should have the right to strike down any ordinance like that.i think that it should be up to the people whether they want it or not.

    • Likely_Suspect

      Ordinances are usually Municipal & passed by City Councils; statutes by legislatures; and State Constitutional Amendments by voter initiative or legislative fiat. Here, my reading of the article indicates that the initiative didn’t meet “constitutional muster” and therefore wasn’t fit to even be placed on the ballot. There’s a rule of construction that mandates that a Judge try to construe a proposed statute or Amendment in a way which it IS Constitutional. Here, this Judge deemed the language to be technically deficient, although it WAS approved in many other States. That’s what appeals are for I guess.

      • planoguy

        And I trust the good folks of Florida will “encourage” their legislature to try, try, again. It is of monumental importance.

  • Tom from Dade City

    IMPEACHMENT!!! IMPEACHMENT!!! Thats want needs to be done to the Judges that go against the will of the people and our founding documents. This includes the politicians as well VOTE THEM OUT!!!

    • 45caliber

      The problem with impeachment of federal judges is that Congress fears to start a process for doing it. After all, if the GOP (for instance) can impeach liberal judges for not following what the Constitution says, the liberals feel that they have the right to impeach fed. judges who do follow the Constitution. And the people shouldn’t argue about it.

      • kate8

        45, Congress also knows that once the process of weeding out the traitors is started, none of them is safe.

        • 45caliber

          That is exactly right.

    • Claire

      Impeachment–heck if it were up to me, I would have impeached the last 30-40 years of politicians.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Claire,
        If we had, I could guarantee they would now be following the constitution word for word, line by line!!!!!

        • Claire

          JoeH–Yes, we should have raised hell way back when. But hey, look at it this way, we can make up for lost time!

      • Al Sieber

        Claire, I agree, but you’re being too kind.

        • Claire

          Al Sieber–I have a better idea–but I dare not speak it!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            claire,
            careful there, cutting off equipment is against the law!!! I guess we Could win on appeal!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Ha, ha, ha! I like that answer! We can always drop him on the Mexican side of the border and arrest him coming across illegally. One of the punishments allowed by the Patriot Act is castration. Just a thought! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Donna

    The dictator in chief working on judges….look at the judge who voted against Jan Brewer and Arizona immigration. Once again the pack of monsters of corruption in DC are working on judges to make sure WE the PEOPLE loose! The socialist party of the USA in DC hard at work to destroy the freedom and liberty of the citizens…Who pays off these judges…old Soros?

    The old Repubs just give in to keep their jobs. They will never care of what the American People want!

    No longer will I sit idle and watch the old fools collecting their paycheck and retirement benefits get a free ride in DC!
    Time to WAKE Up AMERICA…..or we loose

    CORRUPTION continues…..destroying the Constitution

    • kate8

      I’ll say it again – Congress and the rest of them are doing this on purpose! Going against the People, causing us to feel completely disenfranchised by our government, completely without voice, hope or options.

      They’ve been all they can to provoke us to the breaking point from all sides (immigration, taxes, welfare, jobs, healthcare…). Their goal is for mass pandemonium to erupt, attacks on us by militant foreign nationals, people rioting in the streets, criminals wreaking havoc, people pushed over the line.

      We can’t look to those causing the problems to fix them. It’s got to be up to us, and we must be united in our cause.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        kate8,
        Very well said and we need to unite first and foremost at the voting booth!!! We must not play into their hands!!!

        • planoguy

          You are so right! I feel that BHO will make sure “some calamity” happens just before the elections so he can declare Martial Law and suspend elections. Wouldn’t put it past the crook to stage it, just like they have tried on other occasions. We MUST NOT BE tempted to act out our frustrations – except in our vote and our support of candidates. We must be vigilant watching for the “event” that is likely to come in less than 60 days. Watch the “new Black Panthers”, BHO’s private police force, Unions, Illegals, etc for signs.

      • Tino

        Kate8,
        See the movie, “V for Victory”. When life becomes unbearable due to a Marxist
        life, it seems time to send them to hell!

  • alpha-lemming

    Bubba taught ‘em well!!

    “I guess it depends on what your meaning of (required?? purchase?? freedom?? constitutionality??) is”.

  • Average Joe

    I live in Florida. I will be going to jail because I will not comply with Obamacare, regardless of the consequences to me.

    • Al Sieber

      Average Joe, move to Ariz., we have more rights here.

      • Average Joe

        Al, I am seriously considering it.

  • James

    Congress isn’t run by the “will of the people,” they only have the power that was delegated to them by Article I, Section 8 (eight) in the U.S. Constitution. The power of the federal government does not overlap the powers of state governments. Either the federal government has the power to require Americans to purchase health insurance, or it doesn’t. If it has the power, no State can decide whether to obey it or not. If it does not have the power, that fact must proven in a federal court, then that court will declare the Healthcare Act (or portions of it) unconstitutional. Floridians were simply getting ahead of themselves. We suffer from a near total lack of knowledge about the separation of powers.
    More than one authority has stated that the compulsory insurance requirement of the Healthcare Act has violated Art. I. Sec. 8, Cl. 3: “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes.” Regulating commerce doesn’t mean deciding what may, may not, or must be included in commerce.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, we don’t suffer from a lack of knowledge of the break in seperation of federal and state powers. It is plainly spelled out in the Constitution. But it is ignored by the very people who take oaths to support it. For that alone they should be tried, convicted, and sent to prison for the rest of their lives. (And not the country club prison they set up for themselves in Missouri.)

      • James

        I agree that the federal government has overstepped its constitutional authority, but the average citizen doesn’t know that. Most people believe what they think is right, or good, is thus constitutional. Their ignorance of the separation of powers is aptly demonstrated by never citing or even mentioning their own state’s constitution. Ask the average American what the U.S. Constitution prohibits the federal government from doing, and you get a blank stare.

  • Judson

    Oh yeah socialists all over Florida, Alan Greyson Charlie Christ not to mention the Judges…Honestly I could care less what these liberals do, I refuse to support any bill or policy that funds abortion (I WILL NOT KNOWINGLY PARTICIPATE IN THE MURDER OF BABIES). If finalized I will be creating my own legal document opting out of any health care mandate. I have a higher authority to answer to..so if I get sick let me die!!!This way the Government doesn’t feel so kind to help me to be healthy lol…

    • Robert Smith

      Judson screams: >>>I refuse to support any bill or policy that funds abortion (I WILL NOT KNOWINGLY PARTICIPATE IN THE MURDER OF BABIES). <<<

      Don't worry. The Hyde ammendment is still in place.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        And the Hyde Amendment will be ignored just as they do payment of their own taxes, etc.

        • American Citizen

          I believe Obama already ignored it and issued an executive order saying Obamacare would not fund it in order to get a vote. But the guy voted for it anyway. Short term memory, I don’t recall his name.

          • planoguy

            And the Executive Order was worthless. Smoke and mirrors from a snake oil salesman to twist another arm. What a fool.

          • Jana

            And also look who is exempt from the Healthcare bill, Unions and Muslims.
            I might have to change my name to Shakim

      • http://naver samurai

        It may be in place, but do you think that will stop this administration from going around it?

      • http://naver samurai

        True, but doesn’t the government fund them indirectly by giving money to NARAL and Planned Parenthood? Wouldn’t this be going around the Hyde Amendment? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Judso,
      not to correct you but his name is spelled Crist not to be confused with the name of our savior Christ. sorry but I can’t stand to see Christ’s name used in conjunction with a slimy, cold, worm of a politician!!!

  • Mick

    Richard Hull says:
    September 7, 2010 at 9:12 am
    How can the American people, who still live by the constitution and the values upon which this great nation was founded, win when the courts are filled with liberal “do-gooder” judges. Judges who do not uphold the Constitution of the United States of America should be, at the very least, stripped of their robes and at the most jailed for treason. For that matter Obama should be jailed for treason.
    ***************************************
    Richard Hull,,,You are totally right but let’s not forget to strip their exorbitant pay checks as well and no retirement benefit for the people breaking the constitution.

    • wavesofgrain

      Good posts!!! I agree!!!

    • 45caliber

      I agree with Richard. I also don’t believe any judge or Congressman should get a retirement after serving one term in office as they do now. In fact, I believe they should only draw Social Security – as they are trying to force the rest of us to do.

      • Christin

        Agreed, 45!

        A Teacher has to work for atleast ten years to receive (TRS)Teacher Retirement System benefits. All Teachers that received their degree in 1984 (I think) was put on the forced medi-care tax withdrawl from their paycheck to help subsidize the crowd retiring. And the retirement age in our state was raised to 65 to receive full teacher retirement benefits in the early 1990′s. PS: We have had to pay for some of our health care ins, unlike some states in the news lately who want it all… even at the expense of their state and country failing or succeeding… shame of you guys.

        Congress has passed many pay up-grades to benefit themselves without the people they are to represent having a say so… even in these difficult economic times where 17 – 20% or 22% of We the People are out of work. (Can’t believe they are still reporting 9.7% or 9.6% unemployment…the real unemployment numbers would wake everyone up!)

        • 45caliber

          Christin:
          They only report the ones still drawing unemployment. They consider all those who drew until it ran out as working or voluntarily retired. The longer that they are unemployed the less the unemployment group shows.

          • Christin

            That is a shame. If the Republicans were smart they would find a way to get both numbers out to the public to show the truth that a large total number of unemployed in America is a reality under this administration.

  • Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    It sounds like they need to quickly do a re-write of that referendum to get it past those judicial activists rendering rulings based on alleged social justice albeit definitely their personal prejudice. Their black robes are no match for their arrogance when it comes to ruling against the will of the people, or, in this case, even finding out what that will is. The aggressive civil way to remedy yourselves of such oppression is vigilance in building and pursuing the case for impeachment. That would definitely be after the November elections, but would remain civil.

    One of the points I learned during my secondary education in World Cultures comes from a quote by Chairman Mao who basically said, “All power comes from the barrel of a gun”, which brings me to the far messier alternative. While this definitely is a quicker method to redress your grievances there are consequences (undesirable) for those who choose this route regardless of failure or success. As an analyst I would have to relate that the ignition point where the change from political activism to revolution appears to be rapidly approaching at multiple points across this nation. The key points of contention seem to be relatively identical as they relate to going against the will of the people, absolute lack of ethics, excessive government spending, back room shady deals made to get unworthy bills passed and constantly calling policies or bills one thing when in fact they mean almost the exact opposite [which means they usually take away more of our personal liberties and individual freedoms] and a total lack of respect for the Constitution of the United States as they do virtually everything possible to ruin our economy and our national sovereignty. It is an absolute challenge to abide by the very laws we expect them to uphold when they obviously act as if those very same laws do not apply to them.

    • 45caliber

      They not only act as if the laws don’t apply, they believe the laws don’t apply. It was only recently that Congress was required to live by the laws they pass. And even then that is only half-heartedly done.

      When they ignore the tax laws they write for the rest of us, they need to be not only replaced, but also forced to face judgement for not obeying the laws. A law is useless if the government doesn’t enforce it evenly.

  • atlas reborn

    you have all fell for their tricks. you let them define allowed and not allowed and then when you see something that is wrong and take an action that is allowed under the constitution you are shot down by progressives on a court and you are called names by those progressives who hate this country. intimidation to close debate. end of issue. now do you believe the country is lost.

  • http://none sean moor

    God cant do shit,to help this planet or “his creations. If he hasnt done it in the begining,”he’s” not going to do it at all. Hell,he has even hurt people in the past.by using natural disasters and so called holy men.because god felt they were to wicked.or should i say, Didnt obey gods commandments.read the old testament.theres verses loaded with that kinda of sick stuff. Those are my feelings,based on observation.and they are bitter

    • http://naver samurai

      I don’t know what planet you came from, but I think its time for you to return.

      • slickporsche

        Yes and I will personally walk him to the launch vehicle. Don’t tell him there is a nuke on board that will detonate a safe distance from earth.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        samurai,
        Send him to the moon! He’s suffering from lunacy!!

        • http://naver samurai

          100% agree! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • marvin

      sean moor you need to learn something god gave man a free will to choose right and wrong, god has the right to make you do right,but you can not serve two masters,you need read why god done what he has done and will do,if you think sex was why adam and eve were kicked out of the garden you would be wrong but i won,t tell why because you like adam want to blame god for your mistakes,and when that fork hits you in the as- do like the liberals blame bush

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Sean Moor.. You are so very bitter. Your life must be awful.

      • http://naver samurai

        Another lib and very little person.

        • http://naver samurai

          I’m talking about sean!

    • 45caliber

      What happened, sean? God didn’t help you win the lottery or something? God never said that he was going to make life easy for anyone. He just offers to save you when you realize you need it. And I’ve seen enough miracles to prove to me that God not only does exist, he acts to help people. The fact that he didn’t do whatever it was you wanted him to do doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist. It means his answer was “no”.

    • Claire

      sean moor–In this life, a person has to make their own happiness. They have a choice to lead a good life or a rotten life. There are some people that have many crosses to bear and they struggle with the unfairness of it all. But if a person is strong enough and has the willpower to overcome the obstacles, they can still survive and lead a good life. A person sometimes has a terrible childhood, but they have a choice to not live that kind of life. I have a friend that had a horrible childhood but she made up her mind she would never live like that when she grew up and guess what? She is leading a happy life now. She was a strong person and she made a good choice. A person has to roll with the “punches” pick themselves up and go on. Never give up. Do not blame God. God put each and every one of us on this earth for a reason. Moses gave us the Ten Commandments. It is up to each individual as to whether or not they abide by these commandments. The old saying “you reap what you sow” comes to mind. Sometimes a person gets what they “deserve” and sometimes a person has hard times through no fault of their own. This is life. We have to deal with it. It is up to us to pull ourselves up out of the darkness. It is up to us to try our best to do what is right, and have the courage to deal with what life has given us. I am not trying to give a lecture, on a lighter note, if you want to blame someone, blame Eve, she is that one that took a bite out of that damn apple!

      • Claire

        Dang!!! I love apples.

      • Christin

        Claire,
        I think Blame lies with the evil devil who was masquerading as a snake/serpent, tricking young, innocent Eve and ruining God’s plan in the beautiful Garden of Eden.
        Shame on you satan… God’s got a plan for you, too, and you won’t like your punishment either.

        • Claire

          Christin–Yes, the actual blame is the devil, however, it is up to the individual to fight back against evil.

          • Christin

            Claire, I know Eve disobeyed God by eating the fruit from the Tree of Life and Adam did not protect her and joined in… I just wanted the devil to be responsible for his part. He is a tricky evil one. But “greater is HE who is in me, than he who is in the world.”

            God’s speed, Claire

      • libertytrain

        Claire an excellent post and I sure agree with you on all you said.

        • Claire

          libertytrain–Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have been through hard times too many years ago. A person has to weather the storm and hope for a better day.

          • libertytrain

            Hey kiddo, it’s the hard times that make us who we are – and how we handle those times makes us either weak or strong. And I know you are one strong lady.

      • James

        All due respect Claire, but the word “apple” doesn’t occur anywhere in the Book of Genesis.

        • Claire

          James–I realize that but I always heard about the “apple” when I was a little kid. So I used the terminology.

  • marvin

    i say when the gop said no to crist and he went ind [dem]just look at the ind in the sen and who they vote with over 90% dem, if it looks walks and quacks like a duck,there an,t no independent reps only ind voter,if you vote for a ind like christ you put a dem in office,if you vote for crist that is a vote aginst rubio, as for judges was not rep hasting from fla a judge was kick out of office for wrong doing and his people voted to send him to congress to crooked for a judge but not congress

    • http://?? Joe H.

      marvin,
      I truly believe there is one exception to your rule. that man would be Ron Paul!!! He only went repub to try to get a true independant in as president!

      • Al Sieber

        Joe H, I’m with you.

      • Average Joe

        I hear he is getting geared up for 2012….I have been backing him for the last 6 years…can’t see any reason to stop now…Ron Paul 2012…Get the word out!

        • Claire

          Average Joe– I agree, but what if Palin runs?

          • Robert Smith

            Question: >>>but what if Palin runs?<<<

            Answer: Everyone laughs at the thought, cries at the possibility she might win, and then votes for anyone but her.

            Rob

          • Average Joe

            We need to get behind the best candidate for the job and that is Ron Paul…we need to convince the rest of this fact…and that requires a big commitment on our part. We need to do the legwork and convince them of the right choice…based on Ron Paul’s beliefs and past record. The man managed to raise over $12 million in a 24 hour period back in 2007 from individual donations (no corporate sponsors at all). If he can accomplish a feat like that by word of mouth (with less that one month’s notice)..imagine what we can do in two years…just a thought.

  • 45caliber

    The whole point of Oblamacare is NOT freedom of choice. And allowing voters to actually vote on parts of it would also be wrong. After all, HE is right and no one should question that. Right?

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Average Joe:

    I live in Florida as well but I would not worry about going to jail because when it comes down to enforcing whether or not you abide by their rules, they won’t take action. They have already said this and the reason I believe is the court system would be flooded with cases of people either refusing or incapable of paying for insurance.

    The argument put forth that we are required to have insurance if you have a lien on your house is understandable. If you own and drive a car, you must have insurance but that is a choice or privilege and not mandated if you do not own a car. I believe the same would hold true with health insurance in that it is a choice and the Supreme Court will rule mandatory health care insurance to be unconstitutional.

    • http://mootsagootsa.com Michael Micelli

      I also believe the healthcare bill is unconstitutional. It must be stopped in Federal Court.

      • Craig

        You believe it is unconstitutional? There is no doubt it is. No where in the US constitution does it give the government that kind of authority.

        • http://naver samurai

          Have your state use the 10th Amendment, instead of going to court.

  • c

    I stand with Floridians and all that are seeking Constitutional Law of the land. In my opinion, we have alot of treason and evil doing going on. I would prefer impeachment,but will be trying to vote them out! We can vote, stand with God’s armour, and we will all be judged, even these judges. I will denounce the Fed’s imposing a fee upon me, too. I will be the criminal for living by the law of the land I was born into. There’s a book out that that has told us this will be happening. Another conformation that God does exist. I wouldn’t want to be in this Big Gov./Big Corp.’s shoes. Fight the good fight and right will prevail. It is just so difficult to trust that when, We The People are being assaulted and it rubbed in our face. We must stay smart, unite, and beat this evil! May God Bless the USA

  • RobertK

    how sad that judges think they can rule over the people. they are there for the people. floridians need to kick some butt down there and let them know who is in charge – i seem to recall it starting like this, “we the people…”

    • 45caliber

      Some judges really do think they are there to rule. We had a judge like that here in this area some time back. Luckily, we vote for judges. He’s no longer in office. It seems that he thought speaking up about your Constitutional rights was a violation of his court that brought you 6 months in jail for contempt of court. According to him, HE ran the court and no one could tell him how to do it. In fact, even state laws didn’t phase him.

    • http://naver samurai

      They did with proposition 8 in California!

  • sylviam

    There are a few STATES that are exempt by the “President” by the way that does NOT have to comply with the health bill. So can any one tell me why the rest of the NATION HAS to do a thing that they DO NOT want to do?
    I live in VIRGINIA we voted in a new GOV. & our JUSTICE department which thank GOD went to bat for our state the moment Obama signed into law the HEALTH BILL, They turned in our objections to it & as far as I know we do NOT have to follow Obama’s “LAW”.
    Several other states did the same thing,but I don’t know if they filed the same suit or not. Having said that, if ONE state can do it surely ALL Stated can This is why I say do not elect any LAWYER to public office because they have a way of “wording” a sentance to mean just the opposite of what you think it is. Reminds me of OBAMA he says something & 100 people tells YOU what he meant by what he just said. confusing yet? Thats the whole point with this admistration confuse & win you over to his way of thinking. Please educate your selves & vote responsibly GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • libra

    OBAMA–BUYING VOTES FROM THE LIBERALS WHO HAVE THEIR HAND OUT… THE WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM IS CRIMINAL IN INTENT.. IT WILL BE DOING THE JOB ACORN ONCE DID.. THEY ARE INSTALLING NEW WINDOWS, REFRIGERATORS, FURNACES AND AIR CONDITIONERS IN 40 PLUS, YEAR OLD TRAILERS. THE INSTALLATIONS HAVE MORE VALUE THAN THE TRASHY TRAILERS… TENANTS CAN GET ALL OF THESE GOODIES FREE ALSO… MOST OF THIS IS GOING TO THE ONES WHO DO NOT PAY TAXES AND IN SOME CASES HAVE NEVER HELD A REAL JOB LIKE OUR SORRY A$$ PRESIDENT. WHEN THE BILL COMES DUE AND THE CHINESE START CASHING IN ALL OF THE TREASURIES –IT WILL BE THE TAXPAYING PUBLIC THAT REPAYS THE INT. BEARING DEBT OBAMA RAN UP TO BUY VOTES FROM THE DRONES OF THE COUNTRY. THEIR MOTTO IS NOT “WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY?” IT IS “WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME?” THIS HAS TO BE THE SORRIEST, MOST CRIME AND GRAFT LADEN BILL EVER PASSED BY CONGRESS AS PART OF A STIMULATION BILL THAT WE NOW KNOW— WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WENT AND WHO STOLE IT.

    • Robert Smith

      libra posted: >>> WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WENT AND WHO STOLE IT.<<<

      You mean like the BILLIONS that have been "misplaced" in Iraq and Iran by those working for the Bush administration?

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        You mean like the billions that have been misplaced by Obama bin Laden with bailouts? You mean the trillions of dollars supposedly set aside for Osamacare? You mean the billions that are given to various muslim groups by Obama bin Laden? You mean the land in Arizona that was misplaced by Obama bin Laden and wound up in the hands of the Mexicans? Bush, baaaaa! Iraq, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can we stop playing the same broken record and put the blame at the feet of Obama bin Laden, where it belongs? Give it a rest! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Christin

      The money went to the Democratic/ progressive “slush fund” to use as they please.

  • RAY ALLEN of florida

    I for one will not bow down to this and I will be in a long line of people resisting . The same goes with gun restrictions, GOD restrictions.The main reason is the funding of abortions it is totally against GODS law and mine they will not get my money on this health care and if they want to jail over half of AMERICA let they try. DON’T TREAD ON ME.

    • Robert Smith

      From RAU ALLEN of florida: >>>The main reason is the funding of abortions it is totally against GODS law and mine they will not get my money on this health care and if they want to jail over half of AMERICA let they try. <<<

      Your "GODS law" isn't a factor. America ain't a theocracy like Iran. If you want to live in one, like there where they don't have abortion, no boze, no adultry (that will get you stoned, but not with Marry Jane the pot, unless it was Marry Jane someone's wife you got laid with).

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Our country was founded on good christian principles and our laws on the 10 Commandments, atheist fool! I suggest you read about our founding fathers and their faith. Some good books to read are Christianity in the United States, Christianity and the Constitution, and The Christian Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States. These will greatly open that little pea sized lib mind of yours. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          samuri says: >>> Your atheism won’t get you anywhere… <<<

          Why do you make stuff up, samuri? I'm not an atheist. Never said I was. MOF, I haven't said I'm anything, and I don't.

          Why not?

          I believe that if someone follows a path because I'm on it it may not be right for them. I also believe that if someone doesn't follow a path because I'm on it again it might not be the correct path for them. EACH person must decide for themselves IMO.

          And, your wasted effort of trying to assign things to others is a real diaper load. Who are you playing to? Let me guess Maybe some fellow ditto heads who are too weak to have opinions of their own?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You must like posting things twice!

  • American Citizen

    Every time I hear the Fed down our medical care system, I become enraged. I am 76 years old and have yet to meet a doctor or nurse who did not do his or her utmost to help with kindness and concern. A lot of us older people would not be alive today if it were not for doctors, tests, and pharma drugs. Natural herbs, etc., will only work for certain thing like colds, but not for major diseases and injuries, etc. The Federal Government’s attack on our health care system has got to stop. Sarah Palin was right when she said there was a death panel included in the Obamacare bill. When it comes down to rationing health care, as it will under that bill, who do you think will be the first ones denied health care?

    • Tonto’s Pony

      Hate to tell you this old man, old people do not usually vote for liberal ideas. The main reason is their lack of earning ability limiting their income. Now don’t get your rocks in a lock. You may have big income from some investment etc. Most do not. Limited incomes are destroyed by inflation that normally follows liberal policy and of course war spending. War is cheap on most commodity items now which is different than past wars. Only exception being fuel. So, as far as the Liberals and Democrats are concerned, you old breakers can go drop dead and be buried with your Republican or Independent votes.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        tonto’s donkey,
        I’m gonna laugh all the way to the bank tomorrow and prove you wrong!! the 60+ crowd are the ones that have their houses paid for. They are the ones that have investments AND retirement income!! And who do you think owns all of those medium size businesses??

    • Christin

      I feel you are right American Citizen, but keep a positive outlook and keep healthy with supplements and stock up on meds and food when you can. I have parents in the 70′s and 80′s and I think they know about most of this, but are trying to just live their lives to the fullest while they can and when the time comes they will meet Jesus and be in His Holy presence if they have believed in Him.

      Paul said, “to live is gain, and to die is Christ.”
      God’s speed, friend.

  • ONTIME

    Here again we see the results of a activist court taking away another of the peoples right to decide, the courts is not the final answer and those who sit on the bench must realize that anyone who knows their rights is not going to take this sitting down. There is going to be an appeal and it may move to a higher court other than the state, there is the legislature which by removal of advocates can be influenced to introduce new legislation to simply revoke the court and it’s intrusion. When I say loudly, RE-PARE AMERICA’S GOVERNMENTS, this is just exactly the type of issue I want to see addressed with a full measure of the voting publics input.

  • NormP

    Mere technicalities, they KNOW the polls are right. 70% of us want the abomination repealed and the abominators out of office.

    • Tonto’s Pony

      Let the choas roll! Keep them in and buy yen. Inflation is far worse than the deflation that has us now. A real challenge for a true communist is where to get the money. That was Russia’s (excuse me USSR’s) problem. They did not understand how to market and make a buck world wide. We can have communism and make a buck. First, we destroy wealth of all kinds by making assets nonproductive of profits. Then, we overvalue the assets and seize them for tax payment either directly or indirectly by forced sales. Once everything is whittled down to minor ownerships, Kulac Kingdom, we come in and take what little is left based on means based testing for prepaid services, Medicare etc. Wow, how easy this is to do.

      All the while, we have an attack media that goes after the centers of marginal income on massive investment, corporations, and belittles all our institutions and traditions. White guys are the new stupid and show up in media as dumb and just able to learn what few tid bits the new elite shower on them such as Capital One credit cards.

      If you look under these male judges robes you will not find a 45. Instead, the ole boy will be wearing some pink danties from the women’s section of JC Penny. The female judges if you can call them that between their hot flashes will be sporting some unusual hardware that gives them power to rule. The liberals can sure party. Then, we all have to pay for their HIV, AIDS, clap, and unwanted psychotic offspring.
      Do they have sunscreen enough for us all in New Zealand?

  • Howard Roark

    concerning the Fed. health care bill,I have got good news for the majority of the above respondents and bad news for the respondents that are members of the “FOLLOWERS OF OBAMA LEAGUE” more commonly known as FOOL’s. a number of the States have now changed their State Constitution or brought law suit against the Fed. Govt. on the basis that it is Unconstitutional to order any citizen to purchase anything.(has never been attempted in the history of the country)of course this concept of liberty is absolutely true, and I have gleaned out another fact of law that supports this position.(I have not heard anyone else mention it. I have called the National Republican Party and brought it to their attention) the fact of law that I speak of is this: CONTRACT LAW! The US Constitution, Article one section ten states,”No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contract. The Fed Courts and the lower courts have ruled many times that the right to contract (or not to contract) is one of our inaliable rights. under the basic rules of law concerning contracts, is the premise; that any contract signed under threat is automatically null and void. HERE IS THE KICKER: to purchase health insurance from a private company, a contract must be signed.Under Obama care anyone that does not purchase health insurance will be punished finantually.(The left can call it a penalty or a tax or anything they want to call it, it is still a threat of finantial injury)(in law more commonly known as extortion)This being the case,under contract law, any contract that is forced by threat to be signed is automatically null and void.in short those people that sign a health care contract because they fear Federal Govt. punishment are signing an instrument which is immediately null and void of law. … Another fact of law that applies is this: when ever a complex bill is passed the party responsible usually includes a statement in the bill that says that if any part of the bill is struck down as unconstitutional the rest of the bill stands. It appears that the Dems.in their haste to ram the bill through did not include this provision. That means that when the obviously unconstitutional portion of the bill mandating that private citizens purchase health insurance is declared to be unconstitutional the ENTIRE BILL GOES DOWN IN FLAMES.

  • SusieQ2Tut

    Robert Smith is ignorant and a sampling of why we are in this mess.

    • Robert Smith

      From SusiQ2Tut: >>>Robert Smith is …<<<

      Actually Susy please quit making stuff up. Although, I do appreciate your example of Swift Boat logic that seems to say that if you don't have a point that relates to a fact that you embark upon name calling. It soooooooo appears to be from the far right.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        And this coming from someone who believes in doing illegal drugs, killing babies, killing people because they are depressed (Sounds like one of Hitler’s policies), forcing unconstitutional healthcare on people, attacking people personally, on real facts, and no sources, gee you really stand out rob. By the way, You asked me who do I represent? I represent getting this country out of the mess it is in now and getting back to the ways of our christian founding fathers. I also believe in going by our founding principles and not by some self destructive welfare state. You know, not getting something unless you earn it. You don’t sound too much like a patriot, just one of Obama bin Laden’s sheeple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Gene

    The liberals believe that they have an unaliable right to health care. to support this, they quote the opening of the Declaration of Independence, which tells us that one of our unaliable rights is the right to life. If you take the time to read the papers and speeches of the framers it becomes obvious that they ment that Govt. could not kill us without due process of law. it could not possibly mean that the Govt could force all citizens to give up the fruits of their labor to provide for others as this concept did not exist at the time. SCOTUS has in fact ruled on this several times. in US v. Butler SCOTUS ruled that the Constitution has never been understood to mean that Government can take money from one citizen and give it to another.(very clear)… There is a simple test that anyone can apply to determine if something can be a right. The test is this:” DOES GIVING ME A RIGHT, REQUIRE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE” if it does than it CAN NOT be a right as it then interferes with the rights of the other person or persons.this concept is known as a SELF EVIDENT TRUTH. look at the bill of rights. none of them require anything of anybody. they require the Fed. Govt. not to do certain things. under Obama care a hell of a lot is required of others. Doctors, nurses, health equipment providers etc. will all be ordered to provide services and equipment and be required to accept as payment what ever Govt says. in short: THERE IS NO WAY THAT SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE CAN BE A RIGHT!

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Gene,

      You’ve posted: >>>to support this, they quote the opening of the Declaration of Independence<<<

      Actually unless clearly stated nobody from the "left" has done such. I've quoted it and given proper credit that it isn't our Constitution as an example of just how ignorant the extreme right is.

      And if I had a dime for everytime someone says "Life…" and then goes into an anti-abortion screed I'd be very rich. At least I'd be able to afford a really nice American made Mustang.

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Gene: >>>it could not possibly mean that the Govt could force all citizens to give up the fruits of their labor to provide for others as this concept did not exist at the time. <<<

      Oh, and providing for the COMMON DEFENSE doesn't include attacks from disease?

      Does the attacker need to be some diaper headed goof ball to meet with your approval that we must defend against it?

      Please enlighten us, Gene.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Common defense refers to all ememies both internal and external. Diseases would fall under the general welfare and not common defense. Terrorists, spies, criminals, enemy armed forces, yes would be covered for the common defense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://toniknowles10@gmail.com Antoinette L. Knowles

    Another strike for the American people. To strike down a prosed protection act because of technical wording is more proof that the administration has a long reach. It is our own fault. Instead of really checking the candidates on the ballot we have follow our party line or the religion or the color of a candidate to decide our choices We are allowing corrupt officials to stay in office because of party or color or to spite others. We have a convicted felony, a tax cheater in this administration not to mention Congress. We have a President that can’t apologize enough to our known enemies. He is determined to destroy this Nation. This President so often expresses opinions on current while acknowledging that he doesn’t;t have all the facts. Such arrogance! Please note that the troops left in Iraq are only advisors but don’t let them forget their guns.

  • CJM

    If this is what we can expect in the lower Federal Courts, imagine what we are going to have once the US Supreme Court begins their new session with Obama’s “very important patrons” on board. However, like the President, they can be impeached as well, so let’s hope these two do not choose to defile our US Constitution. Sotomeyer has already begun to show her true colors and it’s rather scary. As for Obama’s garbage, if he is proved to be a non-citizen and removed from office, none of his “laws” are valid….Quite frankly, I think the evidence shows that he is a native Kenyan but his supporters have to much to lose if he is exposed to the public. Well, sometimes, exposure is good!

  • Average Joe

    “The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people”
    William Jefferson Clinton; during an interview on MTV in 1993 Note: Finally, we get a politician to admit it!

  • http://BOB Jack from florida

    The main reason why our voices are being silenced is because the ELECTIONS are 100% RIGGED, Period.
    The powers in control are laughing at you and I all the time. Go to Black box voting and see for yourself.
    Both Dem’s and Repub’s are doing it. We must get rid of all INCUMBENTS as soon as possible.

    I strongly believe that most of our Judges are SCARED to death of the powers that control this nation. And they are the BANKERS.

  • Gene

    For Robert Smith. the common defence refers to military defence. This provision is discussed extensively in the Federalist Papers. (you should read them sometime),,, and Samurai the american people have come to believe over the decades that the opening paragraph of article one section eight that mentions providing for the general welfare gives Congress some sort of power. nothing could be further from the truth. ,,,the Dems are big on precedence so here is a precedence they would rather you dont know about. … This indicated paragraph (Art. 1 Sec 8) came up during ratification of the Constitution. the Anti FRederalist said that, with this paragraph which contains the words to provide for the general welfare the new Constitution gives the Congress the power to do just about anything it wants to. James Madison (the father of the constitution) responded that this paragraph gives the gongress no power at all and the enumerated powers listed below the paragraph are the powers ginen to carry out the items listed in the opening paragraph. Here is one of the Quotes of James Madison concerning the General Welfare: (This is only one of his quotes as he talked extensively on the subject) “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money,and will promote the general welfare,the Government is no longer a limited one,possessing enumerated powers but an indefinite one,” … The only legal way to legally change the Constitution is with the amendment. here are two SCOTUS decisions that support this. S.C. v. US., 199 US 437,448 (1905)” The Constitution is a writted instrument. as such, its meaning does not alter.that which it meant when it was adopted, it means now,” and Mattox v. US., 156 US 237,243 “We are bound to interpret the constitution in the light of the law as it existed at the time it was adopted.” It was lying liberals that came up with the bull shit idea that the Constitution is living document and its meaning some how changes without a single word changing. They did this because they have known from the very beginning that they would never be able to get we the people to amend the Constitution to give them their Socialist, Marxist Communist agenda. …Have you been enlightened Robert. Also Robert I have noticed that when you reply to a post that you pick out a small part of a post and try to discredit it. is it because you are unable to dispute the main body of the post. This Nov. you and your parasite friends are going down hard.

  • Gene

    Thyat was Article 1 section 8. dont know how the smile face got in there.

    • http://naver samurai

      Thanks Gene and I have to agree with you. I was part of the common defense for 20 years. I also have been telling people that instead of going to court, their state can evoke their rights under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. The one that gives the states the right to nullify all unconstitutional laws. If you have any info you would like to share, I would be willing to listen and learn, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Gene

    And by the way Robert, I want to give credit where credit is due and I fully admit that you are correct in your assessment of people confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Constituition. sadly there are a large number of Americans (all political parties) that have never read either document… While the Declaration is not a legal document it is however the underpinning of the Constitution. … if one takes the time to compare the documents you can easily see how the Declaration carries over to the Constitution. Such as: in the Declaration it says, that AMOUNG these unaliable rights are… In the Constitution Bill of Rights the 9th amendment declares just because we have not mentioned all of our unailable rights it does not mean that we dont have them. … also the Declaration says that to protect our unalible rights Governments are created… When the new Constitution was created the whole purpose was to give to the Fed. Govt. the power to do only those things that the States should not be doing. they did this with the enumerated powers listed in Art 1 Sec. 8.(remember we were taught this in school) the States never gave up the police powers. (look it up in any law dictionary)It basically means that it is the responsibility of the states to look after the welfare of its citizens,(without interfering with their inaliable rights) build its own roads etc.

  • Gene

    Samurai. the liberals hate the 9th and 10th amendments. You are correct. it is these amendments that give the 50 States the Authority to controll their owm destanies. All that is needed, is for the States to take back their 9th and 10th amendment rights. The states have great power over the Fed Govt… Let me explain… Real wealth is created in three basic ways. 1. agriculture 2. Mining (includes oil) and 3. manufacturing. If you look at say Nevada for example, the state has all three of these activities and they generate enough real wealth to enable the citizens of Nevada to live, pay their City. County, and State taxes and still have enough money to pay Federal taxes….Now look at the Federal Govt. The feds have none of the three ways of producing wealth. The feds have ship yards. military bases. supply depots etc. All of these consume wealth…The Feds also have washington D.C. The main product of Washington D.C. is politicions and Govt workers. both of which consume wealth. They could charge admission to the monuments to raise money. (monuments that they would not have if we the States had not sent the money to build them. so you see Samurai the Fed Govt is totally st the mercy of the ststes for needed revenue. If the States were to stop sending money today the Feds would dry up and blow away… now the Feds would threaten to just print the money but the States could ignore them and create a currency backed by gold for just the 50 States. In short they are at our mercy. hope you enjoyed this post.

  • Gene

    Also Samurai you will now enjoy a lit of laughter in the future. How many times have you seen a Liberal Congressman get up and say that the Fed. Govt is going to help the people, or the States. My last post demonstaates that the Feds can not even help themselves. they are totally dependent on the 50 States for revenue. all they do is take money that they receive from the 50 States, take some of it for themselves, and then send some of it back to the States where it originated… every time I see a Liberal say that the Feds are going to help I bust up laughing.

    • http://naver samurai

      Thank you Gene. Your hobby and I being a historian go along well. You did a very good job with these posts, I’ll give you a big “salute” and say good job fellow patriot! Let’s keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Da Norseman

    This nation was founded on principles laid down by our Forefathers such as Jefferson, Franklin and Madison who wrote the Laws of the Land contained in the Constitution that protects individual freedom and rights and not by the subversive social ideologies of Marx, Lenin and Mao that bring in a form of human husbandry that promotes poverty, substandard living and government greed, promoted by the Woodrow Wilson administration that led to the Progressive Movement.

    President Ronald Reagan could not have stated this any better, “Government is not the solution. Government is the problem!” And he was right! There is too much greed and too much power in Washington as these career politicians are doing all they can to wrest power from the People. By taking away our freedom of choice and allowing government to decide our destinies whether we like it or not would bring in tyranny.

    A healthcare mandate just means another dose of socialism into our daily lives. The government will do all it can to inject more doses of socialism and inject a little more here and a little more there until one day, we find ourselves under the successor of socialism, which we know as communism. Since the Wilson administration, attempts of inducing socialism or communism by progressives into American society has been going on for roughly a century and has received very little support, especially in the early stages when it was learned that avowed American communists were subservient to and receiving orders from the now defunct Soviet Union.

    Labor unions on the other hand whose goal is to manipulate and take control of all industry are also another form of a progressive or socialist movement. The unions controlling public school education make it mandatory for teachers to instruct all related materials of socialism to their students as a form of brainwashing, especially in blue states like California, which currently has the worst public school system. Fortunately, a growing number of older students are beginning to reject the very idea of any progressive or socialist movement, realizing that the United States was not built on these subversive ideologies that would violate their individual freedoms. While the number is still small, there will be more young minds – and it will spread like wildfire – who will finally tell these educators, “We’re not that dumb, and we’re not falling for it!”

    It is made clear that Florida has made a mistake by abandoning freedom of choice by staying on the path to where Floridians would be forced to buy into a federally-mandated healthcare system. All I can say to Floridians who oppose this decision is to never give up the fight and never give in to demand. This is the United States of America – The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave!!!

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