Florida Cops Shoot Man Looking For Cigarette In Car… In His Own Driveway

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Everyone knows that smoking is bad for you, but Florida resident Roy Middleton will likely take the advice to heart more than most embattled smokers next time he reaches for a cigarette. As Middleton rummaged through his mother’s car, which was parked in his own driveway, last weekend, police officers mistook him for a burglar and proceeded to unleash a barrage of bullets.

At around 2:45 Saturday morning, Middleton, a 60-year-old black man, had a nic fit and headed out to retrieve a loose cigarette that he had left in his mother’s car, which was parked in the driveway of their shared home. As he was bent over in the vehicle searching for the smoke, Middleton said he heard a voice order him to “Get your hands where I can see them.”

Unfortunately for Middleton, a concerned neighbor saw him in the vehicle and dialed 911 to report a burglary in progress. Evidently, the responding officers snuck up on Middleton; because upon hearing the command to stick ’em up, the nicotine-deprived resident believed that a neighbor was playing a dirty trick.

When Middleton turned his head and realized that two Escambia County sheriff’s deputies were standing in his driveway, he said he backed out of the vehicle with his hands raised in the air. At that point, the deputies allegedly mistook a metal flashlight attached to the car keys in Middleton’s hand for some sort of weapon and opened fire.

“It was like a firing squad,” he said. “Bullets were flying everywhere.”

Middleton, who was nearly executed by firing squad without even being afforded the comfort of a final smoke, suffered shattered bones in his left thigh that will require the insertion of a metal rod and a lengthy recovery process. His mother’s car is also littered with bullet holes.

“I’m just glad they didn’t hit me here or here,” Middleton said, talking about his head and chest. “My mother’s car is full of bullet holes though. My wife had to go and get a rental.”

Unsurprisingly, the Sheriff’s Department blamed Middleton for the near-fatal encounter.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said that Middleton ignored multiple commands from the deputies and, according to a statement given to local media, “eventually lunged out of the car and spun toward them, causing them to fear for their safety.”

Morgan did, however, offer a surprisingly truthful anecdote, “As much as we are trained and as much as officers — which (sic) have Type A personalities — like to say we are in control, we are not.”

A teenage girl who told local reporters that she witnessed a portion of the incident said Middleton didn’t appear to do anything that should have caused the officers alarm, saying simply, “He wasn’t belligerent or anything.”

Middleton is one of the luckier Americans to have encountered jittery cops on private property.

Auburn, Wash., resident Dustin Theoharris was sleeping on the night of Feb. 11, 2012, when cops arrived at his home to arrest someone else. Police woke him from a dead sleep by bursting through his bedroom door. Disoriented from the intrusion, Theoharris reached for a small flashlight. Cops opened fire, hitting him 20 times in the face, arms, legs and torso. His jaw and shoulder were shattered, and he suffered organ damage and a fractured spine. Theoharris survived, but his life will never be the same.

Andrew Messina, a 16-year-old Georgia boy, had a bad day at school on May 1, 2012.  After receiving a failing grade to cap off his day, he went home, dug a .357 magnum from a drawer and threatened to kill himself. His mother, Lisa Messina, turned to police for help, telling the dispatcher, “I think he’s going to shoot himself.” Andrew’s mother did not fear for her safety but was concerned for her son’s. Police responded with a SWAT team, an army of deputies, an armored vehicle and a sniper. Within an hour, the police sniper killed Andrew with a shot to the head because he felt officer lives were in danger.

A Florida man was shot dead by deputies of the Lake County Sherriff’s Department at 1:30 on a Saturday morning last July when they failed to identify themselves as police officers and banged on the door of his apartment. Andrew Scott, who was unrelated to the incident the police were investigating, answered the door wielding a handgun, presumably fearing that an armed and dangerous person had arrived to do him harm. As it turned out, he was right.

And there’s more bad news. Personal Liberty Digest™, for years, has been informing readers of the increasingly violent and increasingly militarized nature of local law enforcement agencies. But these days it is getting so extreme, that even mainstream media outlets like USA Today, The Wall Street Journal and The Associated Press are beginning to take note.  

You can be sure that the Nation is teaming with officers who aren’t exactly certain to whom their duty to “serve and protect” applies. But if you assume that you are included, you can also be sure that you’re risking your life.

Sam Rolley

Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After covering community news and politics, Rolley took a position at Personal Liberty Media Group where could better hone his focus on his true passions: national politics and liberty issues. In his daily columns and reports, Rolley works to help readers understand which lies are perpetuated by the mainstream media and to stay on top of issues ignored by more conventional media outlets.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Is this the new standard operating procedure for cops now? Shoot first and ask questions later. The cops involved should be charged with felonies and lose their badges. Thugs with badges is what cops are these days. Law enforcement officers? No way!

  • tns

    “Making them fear for their safety”
    Why do LEOs have no spines anymore?
    Or is it just that they know that they can get away with crap like this because there is no accountability towards authority anymore?

    • dan

      when you have a hammer …everything begins to look like a nail
      ….I always make sure not to give a REAL hammer to a toddler
      with insufficient judgement to be trusted

  • Combat Veteran Seabee

    After reading of all the different incidents stated in the article, 3 questions come to mind. 1) where is the accountability, 2) What ever happened to “Negotiators,” and last nut not least, 3) WHO LOOSED THE HOUNDS?

    • Seeker1212

      We Did..!!
      The amazing fact, the forces that we pay to control our lives are really less than ten percent of the population that they control, and this is possible because we live by the laws that the ten percent establishes to protect themselves from the other ninety percent.
      As long as we the American public allow our elected officials to pass laws that strip us of our liberties, this emboldens them to further strip us of our constitutional rights as well.
      It would be no problem at all for the ninety percent of the population to correct this situation if they really wanted to.

      • sootsme

        Americans are notoriously slow to anger and prone to grant the benefit of the doubt right up to and sometimes beyond the breaking point. However, when enough is enough, Katie bar the door… I work in folks’ homes every day, and my sense is that Americans of all stripes and persuasions are getting wound pretty darn tight these days…

  • enufnow

    Give a guy a badge and a gun and he becomes God!

  • sisgp

    Next thing is they will charge him for resisting arrest and or threatening a “peace officer” its usually how it goes if you have the audacity to survive such an encounter.

  • Jeffrey T

    [expletive deleted] I was taught to escalate to get someone to comply with my orders with the minimum force to cpmpel to comply. Like if au dude is UNARMED! You just cant shoot them because you ” felt for your life” thats BS unless the dude is as big as a house & even then an unarmed guy thats 6″ & weighs 250 lbs would be able to wipe the floor with anyone you should go through your belt instead of using your gun first!! Like using verbal commands 1st etc then use pepper spray then taser etc I mean WTF! Shooting people like this is BS! Cops just showing up at ur house & not identifying themselves is a recipe for disaster! Hell I would pull my gun on someone busting into my house at 2 am while I was sleeping! WTF did they expect any home owner 2 do in that instance!

    • Jeff

      If the cops come to your house and see a gun, particularly in your hand, your chance of being killed increases exponentially. What, exactly, is the gun protecting you from? I’ve lived nearly 60 years, have never had a gun in the house, and not one time has anyone broken into my house at 2 A.M. I’ve had burglaries during the day when no one was home, but there has never been an incident where I thought maybe a gun would have helped.

      • tim

        you may change your mind if it happens when your home jeff

        • Jeff

          Explain it to me. You’re sitting with your family watching TV or looking for internet porn or whatever and 3 armed thugs break in your front door. If you’re a drug dealer, maybe you have your gun on you at all times in which case maybe you’ll get one of the guys before they kill everyone. If it’s cops breaking in, your gun will guarantee you get killed.

          What your gun will allow you to do is go grab it when you hear a noise like a clumsy teenage burglar or perhaps a drunk family member coming home late. Those are the people you’ll be able to shoot.

          So, is your gun always at your side just in case? Dinner conversations at your house must be a hoot. My guess is you don’t meet too many of your daughter’s boyfriends.

      • Jeffrey T

        Oh I couldnt agree more if someone has a gun in their hands that the likely hood of being shot by them goes up. Thats why they are supposed to identify themselves etc this story makes the cops seem like they just shoot people and not use the levels of force, kinda hard to explain why they shot an elderly gentleman etc. Using a gun is a last resort, im sorry you suffered a break in and can see your point if no ones home a gun wouldnt be needed but if your married & have your grand kids over if u have any just ask yourself ( what would you do to protect them?) Because Ive NEVER seen nor heard about a nice criminal. U should go and read about home invasions etc because alot of the time the homeowner holds the criminal at gunpoint till police arrive. You not owning a gun is your personal decision also most break ins do happen at night because the homeowners are usualy asleep or if they watch a house they get to know a persons schedule so they can break in during the day( I live in the sticks so daytime break – in would be ok) plus cops are thirty- fortyfive min away if our one part time town cop isnt on duty so me having a gun/ multiple guns works in my favor. Although shooting someone is no video game so I would only shoot as a last resort if I felt threatened etc or if im fired on first than Thats a no brainer but I can definitly say im not into killing anyone nor anything ( thats why no longer hunt but am an avid target shooter. ( their is NO RESET IN REAL LIFE ! but I believe in the @nd ammendment & being able to defend myself & family with force if necissary

        • Jeff

          The break-ins were many years ago and the burglars didn’t get anything too valuable – certainly nothing worth shooting anyone over.

          The common law definition of “burglary” required that it occur at night so in that sense burglars work at night, but in modern times, I think most break-ins occur during the day when most people are out of the house. Few if any burglars are armed and the last thing they want is to encounter a person. They want to get something they can steal, pawn for a few bucks, and get their next fix.

          If you’re willing to shoot some kid to keep him from getting your laptop, I guess you’ve got some really valuable porno movies on there.

  • Seeker1212

    The police have no legal responsibility to “Serve and protect” you. The Supreme Court had previously ruled that “the duty of the police is to investigate crime and bring the criminal to justice.” (period !)
    As long as they are protected by bad judges, crooked unions and the criminal affiliation due to the “Thin Blue Line”, there are no Good Cops.
    Unfortunately, because of overreaching prosecutors, bad judges and irresponsible police officials, the innocent citizen will always be found at fault, this can be changed:, considering that the police and judges make up less than ten percent of the population that they are to control, when the citizen’s which make up the other ninety percent raise up to take control this behavior will change.

  • hippybiker

    ‘I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Corporation of America, and to the Police State for which it stands. One nation no longer under God, divided with no liberty, and no justice for anyone at all.” copyright 1998 by the hippybiker

    • dan

      ‘….with liberty and justice for some’…Buffey st Marie circa 1968
      or it might have been Russel Means

  • SandraJ

    There’s a reason most of these out-of-control, control freaks go into law enforcement!

  • Old Wolf

    There is no legal right to police protection.. but sadly, some of those officers have the mindset that it’s perfectly all right to ‘protect’ themselves from unresisting persons with lethal force, beatings, or multiple taser blasts. Some of them act like the police force is their license to act like the playground bully, or worse.
    Not too much longer, we may have another Battle of Athens if this keeps up. People are getting tired of the people that were supposed to protect their rights and property, and pursue criminals and lawbreakers becoming the thugs they need protection from.

    • dan

      …but we have an ABSOLUTE right to defend ourselves from them….
      and then trust in the grand jury and the jury of twelve

      • Old Wolf

        Indeed. John Bad Elk v. US, among others. Lot of things said about it in Justice Story’s commentaries on the constitution and laws of the United States (1858 edition) page 276.

        “§ 395. But in the next place, (and it is that, which would furnish a case of most difficulty and danger, though it may fairly be presumed to be of rare occurrence,) if the legislative, executive, and judicial departments should concur in a gross usurpation, there is still a peaceable remedy provided by the constitution. It is by the power of amendment, which may always be applied at the will of three fourths of the states. It‘, therefore, there should be a corrupt cooperation of three fourths of the states for permanent usurpation, (a case not to be supposed, or if supposed, it differs not at all in principle or redress from the case of a majority of a state or nation having the same intent,) the case is certainly irremediable under any known forms of the constitution. The states may now by a constitutional amendment, with few limitations, change the whole structure and powers of the government, and thus legalize any present excess of power. And the general right of a society in other cases to change the government at the will of a majority of the whole people, in any manner, that may suit its pleasure, is undisputed, and seems indisputable. If there be any remedy at all for the minority in such cases, it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions. It is by a resort to .the ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.”

        • dan

          interesting…but I was actually thinking of Jefferson and Jury Nullification.You may enjoy this: http://prorev.com/juries.htm

          • Vis Fac

            Very Interesting as I tent to question everything I find it interesting to be able to question how laws are applied. As no two cases (or situations) are identical the law being as it is is not applicable in each case the same way. Judges are supposed to interpret law but are inconsistent at best. Juries have no idea they can interpret (or challenge) the law as well. I learned a little more today Thank you.
            Semper-Fi

          • vicki

            http://www.fija.org for a LOT more info on our duty to judge the LAW as well as the facts of any case we are called in to hear.

            In fact it is one of the 4 boxes given to us by our founders to defend liberty

            Soapbox
            Ballot box
            Jury box
            Ammo box.

            The above includes the necessary and proper order of use.

  • FreedomFighter

    And there’s more bad news. Personal Liberty Digest™, for years, has been informing readers of the increasingly violent and increasingly militarized nature of local law enforcement agencies. But these days it is getting so extreme, that even mainstream media outlets like USA Today, The Wall Street Journal and The Associated Press are beginning to take note.

    Militarization of police forces is the culprit here, police are NOT military, whom should shoot first and ask questions later. Police trained to respond as military will do so…police trained to be peace officers will not respond with military type actions.
    Militarization of police forces is a crime against the public
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Vis Fac

      FF As you are aware military operations always have “Rules of Engagement” limiting the scope force and often change the dynamic of battle. Rules of Engagement as far as local LEO’S who are (thanks to liberal dogma) increasingly militarized are concerned; do not account for any collateral damage inflicted on the populace. Rather like a license to destroy without fear of consequence.
      Semper-Fi

      • FreedomFighter

        “”Rules of Engagement”
        Although just as dangerous to personnel and just as expensive to the public coffers, limiting the scope force and dynamic of battle is not real war, it is a police action to force political will. In real war the only rule is:
        Win or Die
        Laus DeoSemper FI

    • CommonSense4America

      I just posted to Force Recon,,,new book out ” A Government of Wolves”. It’s about this subject.

  • Rom50

    Yes, they are confiscating and surrounding our everyday freedoms. I went to a local park to enjoy a beautiful summer day to sit and recite a rosary. Within a ten minute time span two bicycle cops rode by trying to stare me down, a squad car with two cops drove by; what looked like a ‘drone’ flew over head, then a helicopter flew by after that. Then, a Community Service Cop drove to the point where I was sitting; stopped for a few seconds, then turned his vehicle around to drive in the opposite direction. Little did these ‘spy’s’ realize, was that they too were mentioned as ones I was praying for in that rosary. The rosary is a “weapon of mass destruction” by the power it has over Devil’s, so perhaps that was their fear.

    • rickey brown

      Well as a catholic and not a Christian your rosary probably did nothin at all. I would hope for you to ditch that pagan religion and worship outside of it on sabbath not sungod day. The only thing Christian about catholic religion is the Christian terms used for pagan religion. Worshipping statues praying to them etc. is against God. Not being a party pooper but if they saw rosary they and the devils in them probably decided oh she’s on our team anyways.

      • Rom50

        You have it soooooo screwed up. One rosary said for you. Wow….you are a MESS!

        • TombstoneLizard

          Rom50: I’m not even Catholic, but I have to say AMEN for your reply! Psalm 23 and peace be with you!

          • Rom50

            God love you friend!

        • AMERICAN PATRIOT

          Shooting a Nazi cop for killing a family member, or PRAYING to god they act like ‘christians’…The gun always wins. God is NEVER ‘listening’….The PROOF is all around us with every citizen MURDERED BY NAZI POLICE!

          • Rom50

            I’m not sure if what you say is weird or if in fact YOU are weird….I’ll be praying for you. “We wrestle not against ‘flesh and blood’ but of spirits and powers and principalities’….that’s ok, you wouldn’t get it either….

        • aclay777

          :-)

        • rickey brown

          Well I’m didn’t say God cannot communicate through any medium. I simply stated the facts.
          Look it up all the facts are out there. That particular religion did the great inquisition the killing of Jews in nazis time was a continue of that. These are facts out there for people to see. The pope uses names only reserved for the king God. That’s blasphemy according to Gods word. The holy vicar father he’s not my father possibly your fooled but a good person I’m not saying your not but if suggest a read for you that an ex Jesuit priest wrote. Try Alberto Rivera look him up and then when your done I will tell you of more ex priests who found the truth of a pagan religion and quit. That’s what it is pagan praying to Mary is also wrong those are ceremonies that aren’t scriptural. Mary was Jesusom and a great woman Catholics day she cries I’m positive she does. She cries because she herself had to go through Jesus to get to the father even the great Virgin Mary. That’s the scriptural facts all must go through the son to get to the father the real father God. Here’s the kicker Jesus is the same one who taught the Torah to Moses he said so I don’t exspect you to understand. Sabbath is Saturday the royal laws still stand. Ten Commandments. Jesus said of you love me you’ll follow my commandments he didn’t come to change the law but to fullfill it.

      • aclay777

        And this is English?

  • GrizzMann

    It’s on the pack. smoking may cause death.

    • dan

      …just beat me,lol’s

  • dan

    Terrorists ? Never seen one…..I see cops everywhere and I KNOW THAT THEY’RE A THREAT TO MY LIFE,LIBERTY and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

  • Jimmy the Greek

    This should be like england the regular police should not be armed !

    • Tony Martin

      That is why England has a higher violence rate then America. The good people of England hide in fear of the bad. The cops are useless to protect anyone. Next time a thug is robbing you with a tire Iron, knife, etc. call the unarmed cops? Ha Ha.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        I step on my own snakes Thank you . Calling police beings trouble . I am not easy to rob I am the type that would chase down someone that tried , shoot them in the ass once or twice just to make sure they died in a lot of pain , before i killed them and leave them for someone to find when the sun come up . I guess it’s from my up bringing in goverment housing back in central jersey lol , I never sead the people should not be armed , just goverment , other than military

    • WilliamHarrington

      You need an update. The police in England are now and have been armed for several years because the gun laws were so restrictive even the police did not have guns. The only ones with guns are the criminals.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        They have armed responce units , however the bobbies still get a stick and a wissel , and a riado .

    • Retired LEO in Florida

      That would work if the regular bad guy was not armed and I am a firm believer in the second amendment and I took an oath to protect and defend the constitution and that oath had no expiration date.

  • Joe C

    “Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, let it begin HERE.” Capt. John Parker, Mass. Militia, April 19, 1775, at Lexington, Mass.

  • Alan

    And the gallows!

  • WilliamHarrington

    I grant that the police overreacted, however, people should realize that if they see a group of heavily armed men aiming at them they should IMMEDIATELY drop anything they are carrying and remain still unless told to do otherwise. How many of these instances do we read about where a flashlight, ring of keys or something else causes the police to say ‘I thought it was a gun in his hand’ and I opened fire.

    • Vis Fac

      Here we have a goon squad given legal right to terrorize the community. I remember when the police actually went up and spoke with people rather than drawing down and intimidating them like the Gestapo.
      Our apathetic society by remaining silent has given tacit approval that these actions are acceptable. The “it’ll never happen to me” or “I’m not a criminal belief” will get you killed.
      All it takes (and sometimes not even) is a word from a disgruntled neighbor or someone who “thinks” you did them wrong to have horded of cops swarm over you.

      If we as a community DEMAND that our city and county officials be accountable we might affect change but if no one complains and the media doesn’t care because “if it bleeds it leads”
      Semper-Fi

      • CommonSense4America

        Off subject,,,New book out: “A Government of Wolves”. It is about the militarization of our LEOs. I just ordered it.

      • Retired LEO in Florida

        You of all people should know how it works. Any Police Department or Sheriff’s office has command personell and foot soldiers (the street cops) Decisions are made at the top and passed down the chain. Like foot soldiers the street cop obeys orders (while they make no sense are not illegal). You also know what happens if the command chain is broken and orders are not carried out. Policies dictate how certain calls are handled and while I don’t agree with the use of taser a lot of times, they do have a place in the use of force continuem. As do the use of Pepper spray and batons. As does Lethal Force. You say you were in a safe part of the city and within 30 minutes you observed 3 arrests. Glad I was not assigned to your safe side of town. I treated everyone as a Human, even those I had to arrest (at least as long as they acted human) I was shot at twice during my career and neither time able to return fire because the back drops were occupied apartment buildings. I drew down on many and can recall to this day the day i knew i was going to kill someone if they did not obey my every order, which included exiting the vehicle and showing me their hands the entire time. I knew he had a hand gun. Notice the word knew, I was not assuming although every stop I made I assumed the person being stopped was armed. Made it much easier to talk to them knowing in my mind they could be. I drew down another time on a 9 year old boy that had just robbed a gas station at gun point and was still holding it when I stopped him (and yes it was loaded, .38 revolver) Was I suppose to greet him with a smile and play with him. Thank God he listened to me and dropped the gun because the cop on the street has only one goal every day and that is to go home to your family every day at the end of your shift.
        On the other end of the scale I remember we use to take drunks home when we stopped them and at Domestic calls we would separate the parties for the night, now the law dictates we will make an arrest and if we cannot determine the primary aggressor then they both go, not up to us.
        Try to find out why things are done the way they are before ranting about them. If we were to generalize about everything I am sure I could put you in with some pretty stupid jar heads.
        I have relatives in the Corp so I know you are not all numbnuts, but it only takes a few if I follow your thinking.

        • aclay777

          I committed above, I had a old friend was a cop, was shot twice, but these out of control cops are murdering people, really what was so valuable in that car that needed that type of aggression, a menthol, it’s just stuff , not worth either dying for, wisdom would have it, observe from afar to get an idea what’s going on first. I hate to think about me forgetting something, like charge my cell phone because I left it in the car turn around and be shot. Bragging about what a good cop is like, as yourself, don’t justify a killing of innocent people, I believe that’s your entire purpose and to go home to your family, it’s best that menthol be a casualty of this war on honest American citizens who didn’t give up their right to go out to their car in their yard. That’s the point.

        • sootsme

          “I was just following orders.” You might want to be careful with that- didn’t work out so well at Nuremburg…

        • Retired LEO in Florida

          What part of Following orders that were not illegal are you having trouble understanding? Read it again because we were allowed to ignore an order we knew to be illegal.

  • Vis Fac

    I am borrowing this from someone else I believe it is what we all think so with apologies to the author I think it apropos to repost here and now.

    The point of this isn’t to judge whether cops are justified in doing what they do. This article has nothing to do with police training. And this isn’t just about

    American cops. This is about the perception that we, the public, have of you
    when you perform the following actions. It doesn’t matter if you disagree with
    these perceptions, because right or wrong, they exist. The point of this posting
    is to simply let you know that we’re watching, and this is how we see things.

    1. When ten of you show up to make one arrest, it makes you look like cowards.

    On my way home from a bike ride, I saw three arrests being made in under an hour in a relatively safe part of the city. At one of the incidents, eight police cruisers responded to make one arrest. The guy who was arrested was ejected for being too drunk in a bar. Just one guy and he was drunk. He had a stupid moustache, hadn’t hurt anyone and was drunkenly walking home when he was tased and tackled by 3 cops before 6 police cruisers showed up in addition to the two that were there, for a total of 8 cruisers and 10 cops. The man was unarmed.

    How much backup do you need? It’s one guy. If you can’t handle one drunk guy by yourself, you shouldn’t be a cop. Training tells you otherwise? Well stop
    being trained by sissies.

    2. When you tase somebody who IS NOT trying to escape, it makes you look like lazy cowards. A taser IS NOT a remote-control for people. Want to talk to someone? Then walk over to them and talk. Don’t tase them and expect them to cooperate. Also, when someone is being tased and is writhing in cardiac arrest on the ground, they aren’t “resisting arrest” by not getting on their knees and neatly kowtowing to your demands. They’re incapacitated. You look like idiots barking orders at them when they can’t move.

    Being a cop has certain risks associated with it. If you aren’t comfortable
    with those risks, don’t take the job. Always trying to minimize your risk of
    injury at the expense of others by being a taser-happy lunatic makes you look
    like lazy sissies.

    Tasing everyone you see because they might pose a risk to you is like spraying everything with a fire extinguisher so it doesn’t catch fire. Part of
    the problem might be that many cops are overweight and out of shape. If you
    fatsos can’t chase someone down, then you shouldn’t be cops. Studies have shown that not being a lardo is just as effective as using a taser.

    3. When you set up speed traps, it makes you look like you don’t have anything better to do. I get happy every time I see a speed trap, because I assume it means all criminals have been locked up, you’ve caught the guys who broke into my car on three separate occasions and my stolen property will be returned shortly, right idiots? Good job guys, take a break and make some scratch for the city. Because why the hell else would you be sitting on your butt in a ditch if that wasn’t the case?

    People who speed are awesome. The last thing this world needs is more slow
    drivers. Traffic jams occur because of idiots braking prematurely. And when you pull people over, how about doing it in a place that doesn’t obstruct traffic? You know what’s just as “unsafe” as speeding? Having to swerve into another lane because your stupid car is blocking traffic. Every time I pass another cruiser parked in two lanes, backing up traffic for miles, it makes me literally punch myself in the jaw until I pass out.

    4. When you give out imbecilic tickets for rolling through stop-signs at 3 AM, or closing down lemonade stands, it makes us think you’re morons. We know that “the law is the law.” We also know that you’re not instruction-executing robotic
    automatons. When you harass us with nonsensical fees and fines, it makes us question your judgment. We know that this kind of trash is all about the money.

    Remember that case in Florida where a pair of LEOs closed down a lemonade stand operated by a 6 and 9 year old girl, because they didn’t have a permit? The legal age for entering into contract in the United States is 18. So that
    effort to charge them fees by making them apply for a permit? Illegal. Law is the law, right? Arrest yourselves. And speaking of nepotism…

    5. We know you guys use the buddy system to get out of speeding tickets. And it infuriates us to no end. Cops have a code that basically amounts to always letting fellow cops go. When a cop pulls over an off-duty officer, the officer who was pulled over discreetly flashes his badge to let him know that he’s on the force, and he’s simply let go. You think we don’t know what’s going on, jerk-wads? It’s a courtesy not extended to anyone else, lest the officer is having a particularly good day and isn’t PMS-ing all over the highway. Sometimes you write tickets for going 1 mile over the speed limit, sometimes it’s 10 miles. Then when you get called on doing something stupid like writing a ticket to
    someone for a law that shouldn’t be enforced and rarely is (like jay-walking in
    New York), you hide behind your tired mantra that it’s the law and that you
    have to be consistent. Except when you aren’t.

    6. When you flash your lights just to get through intersections, you look like scumbags. I’ve followed cops who’ve done this, only to see them park their cruisers for coffee or lunch. And speaking of lunch…

    7. When you park in a red zone to eat, it makes you look like lazy scumbags.
    The argument can be made that police officers need to be near their cruisers
    at all times in case of an emergency. Fine, but that doesn’t entitle you to eat
    at the most popular restaurants. If you want to eat at some trendy restaurant,
    park at a meter and pay, like everyone else. Can’t find a meter? Tough luck, go
    someplace else. Doctors, surgeons, rescue workers and security all have
    important jobs where people’s lives are at stake, and you don’t see their cars
    popped up on the curb, obstructing traffic and parked illegally so they can
    fill their fat faces with lunch. We know you’ll never get written a ticket (see #5),
    it infuriates us, and it makes us trust you less, and cooperate less.

    Now this is the part where I say “I know that police officers have a tough job,” but they don’t. Being a cop isn’t hard, it’s dangerous. There’s a difference. Being an engineer, teacher or airline pilot is hard. Being a logger, deep sea crab fisher, coal miner or firefighter is hard and dangerous. Being a cop is dangerous, but usually not hard. Driving around, issuing moronic tickets and filling out paperwork isn’t hard, it’s annoying.

    This is also the part where I say “now I know that most cops are good,” but I
    don’t. I only know two cops in real life, and they’re both awesome, but so is
    anyone I choose to call my friend. Most cops I see abuse their power every day by parking illegally, talking on their cell phones while driving, drifting in
    and out of lanes without turn signals, flashing their lights to get out of
    intersections and power tripping like crazy. If you’re a cop who’s reading
    this, rather than being butt-hurt by people’s perceptions of you, do something
    to change it. Write a fellow officer a ticket. Stick your neck out for us, rather than your colleague for a change. Do the right thing. We notice.

    And as for us: record cops. Record them all the time. Record them even if
    they’re not doing anything. Cops are cracking down on this and they’re trying
    to change the laws to make it illegal so they can’t be held accountable for
    breaking the law. They look up your plates every time they’re behind you at a
    stop, even if you haven’t done anything, just to check up on you. It’s time we
    started checking up on them. Who watches the watchers, if you will.

    • vicki

      Who watches the watchers? WE do. That is the point of the free press and freedom of speech. Photography is a natural part of those freedoms. It helps the police show that they did things right (Police car dash cams). It helps us show that the police did things right (cell phone cameras etc).
      http://www.photographyisntacrime.com/

      Both can show when the few police do things wrong.
      http://photographyisnotacrime.com/

      http://www.copblock.org/tag/photography-is-not-a-crime/

      The key difference is the dash cams are in the possession and control of the police. (See No. 5 in the statement above by Force Recon.)

      • Vis Fac

        We may be watching but that’s about it just watching. News outlets report and do nothing because they’re being subsidized by government and in the government’s pocket.
        Most people are too comfortable standing in the shadows and don’t want to be scrutinized by those in authority. Whenever I see an injustice I am at the city council making noise I am often alone in doing so but I still make noise. I always hope that if others see what I am doing they too will make some noise too then possibly something might happen but until they do it’s status quo.
        Semper-Fi

        • TombstoneLizard

          Gunny, I have never in my life understood a number of the abuses cops get away with, but one that stands out is when the cops complain about radar detectors. They bombard us with x, y, k band frequencies and unknown amounts of laser radiation to “determine” our speed, but we don’t get a say about what they are doing to our bodies, our health, while they use such devices? I’d rather go out of my way, at the legal speed limit, to avoid such exposure(s), but the cops see it as putting a dent in their quotas; thus, they complain to city hall and get passive detectors (similar in technology to Geiger-counters) banned as illegal? I just wanted to point this unconscionable peculiarity out; and you certainly hit on quite a few others. Thank you!
          ~Former Air Force Security Police, K-9~ or “Kae Aboji”

          • Vis Fac

            Mr. Lizard Thanks for the kind words but I must inform you that not all Marines attain the rank of Gunnery Sergent (E-7) I a one of those individuals that happened to be in the wrong place at the right time. As a Buck Sergeant (E-5) I received a battlefield commission to 1st LT after a command SNAFU by a fabulous 90 day wonder (butter bar 2nd Lt) Long story short — I led the remnants of a once TO Battalion on an escape and evasion excursion for three days. and received a commission as a 1st LT. I separated the service as a Captain because I knew I would never make field grade given the fact I refuse to play politics with people’s lives.
            I thank you for your service and providing security to OUR country and many of its ungrateful citizens.
            Semper-Fi

          • TombstoneLizard

            My apologies, Cap’n. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve kicked myself in the ass for not joining the Corps. But, such is life, and the thanks go right back at you as well. The Marines don’t give battlefield promotions to the wrong people!

          • Vis Fac

            No Apologizes necessary. There were several instances we Marines were saved by USAF Fly boys and Navy Aviators. Our armed forces are second to none and the country could not survive without these heroic people. So here’s a huge salute to ALL Military personnel past and present.
            Semper-Fi

    • CommonSense4America

      Sissies?? Is that you gunny? LOL

      • Vis Fac

        No not a Gunnery Sgt just a lowly Captain that relies on my Seargents!

    • Retired LEO in Florida

      Have you ever had to fight a drunk? Do you really think it is the officer on the street that decides when and where to set up speed traps? Do you think it wise that Officers on the street call ahead for reservations to eat and then take the time they are allotted and ignore their radio should it call them for an emergency. As for flashing a badge to get out of a ticket, our Sheriff would have us on the carpet and suspended without pay if we were ever caught doing that. Does it happen, I have no doubt. To generalize makes you seem like a speeder that has been caught more than once. To flash our lights or hit the 360’s to clear an intersection quietly, again you are generalizing as this was something I have done many times and usually was in response to a holdup alarm. Banks,stores , etc…and you don’t use sirens when you are close and warn the bad guys you are almost there. It is also part of training. I have also had these calls and then get a discontinue as it is/was a false alarm.
      Basically you have no idea what is going on and that is your real problem. Try going to your local Police dept. or Sheriff’s Office and ask about a ride along. Find out what is really happening on your streets and why the Officers do what they do.
      Are there officers that meet your 7 step rant, probably, are there very many? Not likely!
      Inform yourself so you don’t sound so much like a whiner that got a
      ticket or scolded for something you did.

      • Vis Fac

        For the record this was an analogy on how the public perceives police, If you are offended then I suggest you look into yourself to find solace as obviously some of it rings true. I have met and spoken with quite a few LEO’s and they ALL have the same attitude. These were the guys in high school who always wanted to fight to show how tough they were. They didn’t mind being arrogant and being “macho” and let everyone know that one day they would be a cop. Coincidentally there are three cops (county Deputy Sheriff City cop and a state trooper) in our family and they constantly brag about seemingly being above the law can speed and not get a ticket by flashing shields and badges . They also enjoy free meals when at lunch because the burger joints “feel safer” having a cop around. I have heard and seen all the stories depicted in the article and despise the epidemic cowardly abasement perpetrated by militaristic police on the public and because I am active in my community (such as it is) YES I DO know what is going on among police. You want it kept secret but can’t. FYI the last speeding ticket I received was January 28 1985 A state trooper tried to say I was speeding in a 45MPH zone that was until I showed him the 45MPG speed limit sign Yes and COPS lie in court. Being a whiteness for the defense I’ve seen it as it happens FYI If I have done something wrong or unlawful I own up to it so I don’t carp on being unjustly accused. You might also like to know that I have dealt with drunks on many occasion I find them to be quite uncoordinated and easy to handle. I would be more fearful of someone who fully aware of their surroundings and blind with rage. You can pontificate all you wish but if what I said wasn’t true rest assured it wouldn’t be said. I do know there are good cops out there but they are in the minority
        Semper-Fi

        • Retired LEO in Florida

          Was your dad a cop and he abused you? Your hard on for cops goes way beyond a normal .concern.I would again say, you have no clue what goes on with police. Your 3 relatives probably try to laugh it off when you question them about badging and get out of jail free remarks. I have heard the remarks my entire career and normally laughed it off rather than tell a relative to STFU until they know what they are talking about instead of repeating the story told by their girl friends, fathers, uncles, barbers, brother in law that once knew a guy that knew someones grandfather that was a cop and did this.
          As I also stated on here else where, does it happen? I have no doubt. Is it the majority of officers that do it (abuse their authority) NO it is not. We take care of our own, because there is no one else that will, we also Police our own because there is no one else that can. Do we get them all, obviously not. Are there a lot that slip thru? No where near what you think.
          So until you have more than an analogy of how the public sees the Police go back to telling your war stories Capt.or Lance Cpl or what ever you were cause I know a lot of Marines, real Marines and not a one of them whines the way you do.

      • sootsme

        Maybe it’s time for the non 7 step rant types to come down on the ones that the shoe fits. This alone would up the cops’ credibility in my eyes as well as many of my fellow citizens. Sketchy and/or inept behavior by the very people charged with upholding the peace and safety of our society is about as criminal and even sinful as it gets. Not so long ago, peace officers (yes, peace officers, not “law enforcement” officers) were mostly seen as role models and as examples for the youngsters to look up to. It’s just like the good Muslims should clean their house of the bad ones. After all, who knows better than you who and what needs fixing in your own club? I have yet to hear a good excuse for this not happening, and meanwhile it’s “business as usual” and until this changes, you will rightly or wrongly be known by the company you keep…your choice…

  • Tony Martin

    We need the critics to remind us of what is proper. But in response to those with great anger and malice of the heart, I point out.
    We have millions of good cops who do a remarkable job every day. Then we have the critics who have never walked down a dark ally, confronted an unknown person on a dark night, reported to be breaking into a car. The critic who has never been shot at or wounded. The critic who has never held a dying child in his arm, felt the life leaving. The critic who has a first hand knowledge of police work by watching T.V. shows. This past week, in Hialeah, Florida a gun man, who had killed a number of innocent people was killed, after a long gun fight in a crowded apartment building. I’m sure that many of the critics would have gone home wearing shorts with brown stains. Overall in live it is a shame that in life bad things will happen to good people. I hope Mr Middleton will recover and get proper compensation for his ordeal. The officers involved will never get over this incident, not to the final breath of life they take.

    • vicki

      In the rules of war our soldiers are often not allowed to fire till fired upon. Our police should have at least this rule.

      • Tony Martin

        And if someone was shooting at you? What if someone had just killed a person you love, Should the officer let that person make an escape to kill others as they had not shot at the officer? In the Florida incident 6 were killed and the evil person had not shoot at the police only at others in the apartment complex. In your theory they should not have shot him until he shot at the officers or killed how many? The officer has the charge of law to make an arrest of the evil doer. People who are not in law enforcement are not charged with the duty to make an arrest and to restore order.
        War is simple, the person in front of you is the enemy trying very hard to kill you. (Been there, done that) Police duties are to arrest one bad person among the innocents. Lastly. that is not in any rule of war. We sometime attack places in war. Try 06/06/1944 D-Day Normandy. I think perhaps you are thinking of orders issued in cercumstances of deployment such as deployed within civilian populations?

        • vicki

          Tony Martin writes:

          And if someone was shooting at
          you?

          You, a soldier, and a cop would be justified in returning fire.

          What if someone had just killed a person you love, Should the
          officer let that person make an escape to kill others as they had not
          shot at the officer?

          Illogical strawman argument. Obviously the police will order them to surrender. Or were you suggesting the police shoot people in the back now?

          In the Florida incident 6 were killed and the evil
          person had not shoot at the police only at others in the apartment
          complex. In your theory they should not have shot him until he shot at
          the officers or killed how many?

          If you are going to create scenarios based on a theory you really ought to find out what that theory encompasses. I will give you a hint. 2nd Amendment. I will bet that you and EVERY liberal reading this will get the hint wrong.

          The officer has the charge of law to
          make an arrest of the evil doer.

          Which is so much easier when the suspect is dead.

          People who are not in law enforcement
          are not charged with the duty to make an arrest and to restore order. War
          is simple, the person in front of you is the enemy trying very hard to
          kill you. (Been there, done that)

          That’s rather the point is it not? The police are NOT at war and should be under stricter rules of engagement then soldiers.

      • Vis Fac

        Pipe dreams at best
        Semper-Fi

    • AMERICAN PATRIOT

      As a citizen, and business owner, WE THE PEOPLE face the same type of people cops face, but WE do NOT start shooting over any minor issue, unlike cops, who’s FIRST response is to OPEN FIRE and KILL the people, so NOBODY can TESTIFY AGAINST THE NAZI REGIME!
      This is what it REALLY comes down to….US against THEM, over and over!

    • Vis Fac

      I am a critic I have been shot at and wounded and lost a son to a drugged up felon so don’t think you know what you want to think you know. My profession made it necessary to access less than ideal real estate I also have police in the family and on several occasions experienced a ride along so I know how police act. Your argument holds water like a sieve PERSONAL experience has taught me that the police are not there “to protect and serve” In fact they are never around when needed. when they finally arrive they are only able to file report.

      FYI there are NOT Millions of police in the US. In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million persons on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers. Fifteen of the 50 largest local police departments employed fewer full-time sworn personnel in 2008 than in 2004. The largest declines were in Detroit (36%), Memphis (23%), New Orleans (13%), and San Francisco (10%) Hardly the Million you say there are.
      Semper-Fi

  • JLouisK

    If you notice, responsible gun owners don’t brandish their weapons or shoot indiscriminately. Unfortunately, this means that the police are not responsible. They need to go back to school and learn how to handle situations without force.

    • vicki

      Proof of the assertion by JLuisK is in the statistics of gun ownership vs FBI Crime statistics. There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of responsible gun owners. There are only a few thousands of gun owners that mis-use their God given and Constitutionally protected RIGHT to keep and bear arms.

      • Jeff

        How many does it take to create a huge mess?

        • sootsme

          How many improper LEO shootings are there vs. improper citizen shootings? I would agree that the odds are tougher in law enforcement scenarios, but not so much as the disparity in the results…When you play with hammers all day most days, all sorts of things can start looking like nails…

        • Vis Fac

          ODUMBO HOLDER & CLINTON isn’t that enough?
          Semper-Fi

  • vicki

    Much (but not all) of this militarized police abuse started with the “war on (some) drugs”. Prior to that the police had to knock, announce themselves and wait politely for the homeowner to come to the door.

    Then came the “fear” that the “guilty until the government says not” might destroy the evidence of a non-crime (possession of something) and the no-knock or knock with a sledge hammer method of serving a search warrant became popular.

    http://www.cato.org/raidmap

    In a TRULY free society it can not be possible for it to be illegal to possess ANYTHING that you have made, grown, purchased without force or fraud.

    • TombstoneLizard

      I agree, but sadly, there is far too much money to be made when everything is declared “illegal.” Apparently, all the tax money our governments receive just isn’t enough to support their wonderful pensions and life-time benefits.

    • sootsme

      Indeed I cannot find anything in the Constitution specifying what we the people are allowed or not allowed to ingest. This being the case, that decision is reserved to we the people. The only exception was Prohibition, which has since been repealed. I don’t do drugs, but that is not because it is (wrongly) illegal, but because there are better ways I can spend my time and energy. As for others, this is for them alone to decide, not the government. The sole function of the “laws” against (some) drugs is to raise revenue for the government, the lawyers, the correctional system, and the “rehabilitation” circus. Basically, they make more with (some) drugs being illegal than they could if (some) drugs were legal. Big pharma notwithstanding, of course, who by the way produces way more of the popular black market pills than are ever prescribed, without any flack from the “drug warriors”. The amount of money involved here is enough that kicking in some doors and wasting the folks inside are below “significant digits”. As always, follow the money. I’m no genius, but this is pretty flippin’ obvious to me, and probably to most folks whose intellectual life is more rational than a steady diet of “America’s Next Top Model”…

      • Vis Fac

        It’s a people control issue nothing more! If someone wants to harm themselves so be it. You cannot legislate common sense. However the government can (and does) dumb people down so they can be programmed and more easily controlled.
        Semper-Fi

  • Neal2568

    Middleton can thank his lucky stars it was the Sheriff’s deputies. They only hit him once out of 17 rounds. In another local incident, they hit a guy’s pickup over 90 times, but missed the perp, who ended up shooting himself, since it looked like they weren’t ever going to hit him. Since they tend to shoot until their guns quit, cops need to go back to 6 shot revolvers. Or maybe fliintlocks.

    • AMERICAN PATRIOT

      Single shot pistols, one shot, one miss!

  • ONTIME

    It’s beginning to sound like the cops are the problem and with all that tax money to train these people we call peace officers, we are not getting the professionals which is what we pay for, instead we are getting a bunch of dangerous mall cops… we have to stop giving these people more dangerous toys to harm us with…

    • Vis Fac

      The sad truth is our founding fathers intended for the citizens to have parity with the government to thwart tyranny. Government wants us disarmed and their domestic military branch (Police and Sheriff) be better armed for CONTROL purposes. DO NOT think for one minute this is by accident. Police do not face tanks or artillery yet they are equipped with all the toys the armed forces have including drone technology. Does that make anyone think a little?
      Semper-Fi

  • TIME

    My Dear People,
    This topic is the crux of many topics that span the globe at this point in TIME.
    What we are witness to is nothing short of the open portal to Lucifer’s power over Humans. This is all explained with the Bible, and quite clearly too.
    It address’s this very TIME, lets review.
    People all over the world feel depressed by events beyond their control, Aggressive Police, Military, and lets not forget the cause and effect of the Political Criminals.
    As well the earth is going through massive changes, each day the magnetic North is drifting 1′ off its base, thus over the last ten years alone we have drifted countless miles out of the normal round,
    Now if you will just think about how odd human behavior is during a full moon, then compound that with the “Psychotropic drugs” governments all over the globe want their citizens on, by the way Children’s rates of suicide are way up even from just 10 years ago when this criminal act became law nearly world wide, as parents sat back and said nothing.
    So to are returning Military vets who have become so depressed at what they have witnessed from their criminal Governments, many of them on the same cocktail of drugs.
    Then add in that many of these returning Vets go into Police units, now think MP’s not the average Army personal.
    Also ~ Keep in mind the Army Training manual’s that the MP’s use, where they are trained to believe that the American citizen is a threat to US safety.
    What that’s brewing is what we are all being witness to by way of Militarized Police units / SWAT ~ who are in fact as I have noted many times now, not here to Protect and Serve YOU,
    They are employed to serve the International Bankers property – aka all of America all of Europe by the way ~ these special NWO’s people also want Russia, and China, that’s why we now also have a currency war.
    You have to stand back far enough to view all of this as a BIG picture, if you look at the small picture it will never be in focus ~ all that will do is divide and divide and over and over it goes. Note how people present the Mass Media’s crazy spin cycles as if some how its true. Just like any one can prove that we don’t have a 7.8% unemployment number, What any one who can do basic math will find is that the TRUE unemployment numbers are really in the mid 20% range.
    But, this is a long story and if any one really wants the answers well I told you where they can be found, all you need do is augment the daily headlines with what’s in the BOOK.
    Peace and Love,
    Open your ears and eye’s and you will hear GOD speaking as well see the truths in front of you.

  • ERB

    I would like to know how many citizens are shot by law enforcement officers (cough cough) versus how many officers are shot by citizens. I think maybe the citizens need the hazard pay.

    • CitizenVet

      Statistically you have more chance of being killed on the job working on a farm, ranch, or fishing boat (among other jobs) than as a cop.

  • Quester55

    If this keeps coming up, Soon the POLICE will need,” Police Protection,” to be Safe on their Jobs, ( The Killing or maiming of Peaceful, Law-abiding, Citizens) !
    Well, OBAMA Wanted to CHANGE AMERICA, Guess turning us into a Third-World Country is working after all.

  • http://priscillaking.blogspot.com/ Priscilla King

    Years ago, my husband saw police cars up the street and called me to the window. He said, “People need to stand witness to prevent police brutality.” It may be easier for officers to resist panic when they know that people are watching what happens.

    • Retired LEO in Florida

      I assumed a couple things every stop I made!
      First, I assumed the subject I stopped was armed.
      Second, I assumed someone had a camera on me.
      Worked well for me, as I was never shot and never charged with abuse.

      • sootsme

        A rational approach, for sure. Your fellows would do well to emulate… Balance is the key to most aspects of life…

      • WTS/JAY

        I’m sure you would agree that times have changed, and that the new-breed entering the police-force are somewhat unstable?

        • Retired LEO in Florida

          I would agree that there is a new breed entering the Academies. Men and women that have seen their county slowly turning into a cess pool under the direction of Mr Obama and cohorts.
          Do you even know what unstable is? Unstable is when People elect a know nothing, do nothing person into the White House and then after he has done nothing for four years they elect him to another four years. That is an unstable mind at work. These are the people that police deal with every day. All these shootings, mass shootings in Texas, Connecticut Colorado, and else where were carried out by either someone that claimed the Democrat party as their party, or Someone that voted Democrat and voted for Obama or someone whose parents vote Democrat and they themselves were not of age to vote.
          Do you see a pattern here? The only one that I can think of that was not a Democrat Was the Fort Hood Shooter where the POS that was suppose to be treating returning US Soldiers was a Muslim.
          Open your eyes to the real threat to society, you will find it is not the Police but those that control the voters.with tax dollars as welfare.

      • http://priscillaking.blogspot.com/ Priscilla King

        Thanks for your comment and your service. I think most police officers still make these assumptions. The others should, too…

  • Jeff

    Yes, cops can be idiots. It’s certainly a good thing the Messina family had that gun in the house, though. It protected them from . . . .?

    • securityman

      jeff, you can be an idiot and blame the gun, can’t you???????

      • Jeff

        You can blame anything you like, but the question remains: How did the gun protect that family?

        • WTS/JAY

          No, the questions that remain are: How did gun-laws protect that family, and how did “gun-laws” protect that family from the very ones who have been commissioned to enforce them?

          • Jeff

            How are gun laws even remotely relevant when the family had a gun? And the gun laws we have are clearly ineffective as virtually anyone can obtain virtually any gun. Your question might make sense if the situation involved a family in NYC deprived of a gun in a situation where one might come in handy. But in this situation, they had a gun. So, the question about gun laws is like asking how the zoning laws protected them.

          • vicki

            Since gun possession laws are null and void from inception it matters not that they are also ineffective.

            Gun mis-use laws, on the other hand, work just fine.

        • sootsme

          Check out John Lott. He is a former liberal academic who began researching firearm statistics hoping to show how bad guns are. What he found is that firearms are used far more frequently to prevent or stop violence than to commit it. Fortunately, Mr. Lott is honest enough to follow the facts, and has now become one of the foremost spokespersons for the citizenry being armed. One of his better known books is “More Guns, Less Crime”. If you are willing to deal in facts, check it out for yourself…

          • Vis Fac

            Liberals are allergic to facts their one dimensional idiot-ology messes with their immune system causing disorientation, distortion, and a dependence on lame stream media.
            Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          My 1911 protected MY family once and my person many times. If you need to travel to unsavory areas to conduct business it is wise to pack a little heat. A 1911 is a very effective attitude adjustment tool. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it!
          Semper-Fi

          • Retired LEO in Florida

            That is good advice, we agree on one thing.

        • vicki

          A gun does NOT protect you. It is an inanimate object. YOU protect you. The gun is just a very effective tool for that job.

    • WTS/JAY

      I agree, it should have been on his person. It’s certainly a good thing we have those gun-laws, though. They protect us from what again…? Gun-laws can’t even protect us from the very ones who are commissioned to enforce them. Gun-laws, what are they good for…huh, absolutely nothing. Say it again…gun-laws, huh, what are they good for…..

      • Jeff

        Do you guys all live in dangerous trailer parks or what? I live in a fairly average, maybe slightly above average, suburban neighborhood and I’d no more think of buying a gun than of posting a lion by the front door. I believe the gun thing is a sickness and your gun is far more likely to be used against you by a burglar or a pissed off spouse or be found by a kid and used to shoot another kid than it is to “save” you from some dire circumstance. I know in your case you need it for protection against cats, but most normal people can scare them away with their feet.

        But you’re right. Gun laws right now wouldn’t help much. We have 300 million guns in the U.S. and some % of them are owned by lunatics. Had we put gun laws in place 50 years ago, we’d have much less gun violence now than we do.

        • Christopher Koda

          So how do you explain the FACT that violent crimes and firearm homicides are DOWN and not UP?

          • WTS/JAY

            He can’t. All he knows is that he’s afraid of guns, and apparently, cats scare him even more so. A rather peculiar fellow…this Jeff.

          • Christopher Koda

            They are what we used to call ostriches in the army.

          • WTS/JAY

            ostrich |ˈästri ch |noun

            1 a flightless swift-running African bird with a long neck, long legs, and two toes on each foot. It is the largest living bird, with males reaching an average height of 8 feet (2.5 m). ostrich•Struthio camelus, the only member of the family Struthionidae.

            2 a person who refuses to face reality or accept facts. [ORIGIN: from the popular belief that ostriches bury their heads in the sand if pursued.]

          • Jeff

            Are you still in the Army or did you get out when the Kaiser surrendered? Be careful you don’t drop that gun on your toe, Gramps!

          • Christopher Koda

            No, Jeff I got out when my draft term ended in 1970. Spent my year getting shot at in Vietnam and putting up with Jodis like you who supported the likes of Hanoi Jane.

          • eddyjames

            Jeff doesn’t have a gun so that proves the law keeps guns out of the hands of some idiots at least. I suspect drug use as the reason Jeff can’t own one. You’d have to be stoned to believe a liberal.

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          • Jeff

            But I’ve never been afraid of mindless parrots, you moron.

          • Vis Fac

            Because you are one of those mindless parrots and are comfortable with your own species.

          • WTS/JAY

            BOO! I have a gun! Lol!

          • Jeff

            You with a gun might be scary . . . . unless you’re aiming at me!

          • vicki

            ad hominem

          • Jeff

            Demographics. And if they’re down, what’s fueling all the gun sales?

          • Vis Fac

            You must live in a cave or under a rock the reason is DUMBOCRITE GUN control plans are intensifying and fueling ammunition and firearm sales.
            Semper-Fi

          • vicki

            Jeff asks:
            “what’s fueling all the gun sales?”

            Wisdom.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Oboma !

          • Christopher Koda

            Jeff it is statements by the SCOTUS that the police are not responsible for the citizens safety, and the police who have very poor accuracy and do not know how to react with a steady hand and head while under fire. But Jodis like you would not understand. And for you information my chances of surviving and coming out on top is a lot better than yours. My 1911 will do the trick every time.

          • Jeff

            I’m sorry, but I’m not fluent in your native tongue. I try to avoid people who refer to their guns as if they were their girlfriends. I must assume “Jodi” is some sort of primitive attempt at an insult? I can’t tell because Miss Vicki didn’t label it an ad hominem I don’t put much stock in anyone who has more guns than books in his house.

          • vicki

            Jeff admits:

            I’m sorry, but I’m not fluent in your native tongue.

            That rather explains a lot.

          • Jeff

            Argument to ridicule by a most ridiculous person.

          • vicki

            Why yes Jeff. We had noticed that your comment to Christopher was indeed an argument to ridicule by a most ridiculous person.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            1911 is a model Colt .45 cal semi-auto Jeff it’s a little on the large side for my liking but a fine wepon , me i like somthing i can carry in my boot .

          • eddyjames

            That’s easy. You now have a pResident and Attorney General that has been going out of their way to stoke a race war. Picking and choosing what laws to enforce or not. Calling for an end to self defense and stand your ground laws knowing full well that it will only embolden the Black street gangs into attacking more Whites. And will cause the liberal wieners and sissy boys into calling for more government intervention, Those who refuse to take what ever steps are required to protect them selves by giving up their liberty in the name of security deserve neither. Ben Franklin said it first and best.

        • securityman

          jeff, you still don’t have a clue about what is going on in this world. do yourself a favor and shut the hell up

          • Jeff

            Few of us can be as knowledgeable as you apparently, so I choose to not follow your advice. I guess you’ll shoot me now, Mr. Blart?

          • securityman

            jeffI don’t shoot idiots ! it is much,much worse just to leave them alone with their dismal lives

        • Vis Fac

          Jeff If it weren’t for this “sickness” YOU would be a British Subject rather than a US Citizen we would still be a group of colonies.

          FYI there is no such thing as “gun violence” violence is violence. You are a typical one dimensional liberal who swallows what the lame stream media feeds you.

          There are more than 300 Million guns so what? Can ANY ONE of them load themselves aim themselves or shoot anyone without assistance of a human?

          Now consider this according to the FBI Total Murders in the US for 2012 =12,664 Total amount of firearms used =8,583 Knives=1,694 other weapons=1,659 So that
          equates to 0.677% of all murders attributed to firearms and when we look at all the available firearms we’ll use 300 Million as a guesstimate because there are more than that so if we were to account for all the firearms the percentage caused by firearms is 0.000042213% (which is somewhat representative of your IQ). Add to that the killings that police contribute (but are not reported as homicide) that number slightly increases.

          Doctors and Big Pharma contribute more death than any firearm there are 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery (oops almost as many as homicides) 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals 20,000 deaths per year due to
          other errors in hospitals 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals and 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs According to the U.S. Department of Health Services there are about 780,000 licensed physicians in the United States using the
          above information 2,250,000 medical deaths or 3.467% per physician. Compared to firearms you are 8,2123% more likely to die from your doctor than a firearm. Keep
          in mind that there are 40 Million people who don’t have access to medical care so If I were you I would be more concerned with doctors. I won’t bother getting into automobile and illegal drug deaths.
          Semper-Fi

          • Jeff

            If you want to compare 21st Century America with Revolutionary War times, go right ahead. BTW: I notice there are a few other former colonies of Britain like Canada and India. You go right on target shooting pretending you’re John Wayne making the world safe for democracy. Just don’t cry crocodile tears in my direction when your son disobeys your explicit instructions, takes that gun, and shoots up the school with it.

          • Vis Fac

            People are people REGARDLESS of the Century or place. The reason they are no longer colonies of Britain is for the fact that it costs too much to govern and all viable resources that once were have been removed. I have contacts in India and let me tell you that India is no Garden of Eden There is virtually no news emanating from that area. and the majority of Canadians on note live here in the US.

            Firearms have been in my house as long as I remember EVERY member (even the grandchildren) has trained and fired most all of the weapons we have. Safety and responsibility have ALWAYS been at the forefront of our credo so I have no qualms about having any member of the family

            You are a cold, callous and a moron. You spout off as though you were the world’s authority on everything.

            One of my sons was murdered by a crack head wanting another fix outside the public library which was around the corner from the police station. His girlfriend was critically injured while the cops (6 to 8) were enjoying a foray harassing and beating a migrant at a burger joint down the street instead of being where they were supposed to be

            A lot of good police are when they’re doing whatever they do best (not their job) when they are needed.

            Thanks for being so considerate about schools and no my son is unable to take my gun and shoot up a school. You are contemptible as well as stupid!

            Cops have the ability to stop many of these incidents but are too busy harassing other to be concerned or follow up on tips. Cops are not pro-active but merely
            re-active

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from Jeff. If it weren’t for the gun grabbers like Jeff, many of those children would still be alive. In my book, gun grabbers like Jeff are Accessories to Murder:
            http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/school-shootings-thwarted-2526514.html
            http://defendthenest.com/armed-resource-officer-disarmed-teen-shooter-in-atlanta-school-shooting/
            http://gunowners.org/op0814.htm

          • vicki

            Why would you want to make the world safe for democracy? Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Democracy is the Tyranny of the Majority. This video explains.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Thats Right !

          • Jimmy the Greek

            My son had his own gun when he was 12 that was the early a semi auto Ruger 10-22 that was the early 80s and we lived in the city limits of houston , his son got a singel shot .22 when he was 10 .

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Or swimming pool accdents , Close down all the pools the kiddys are drowing !

          • Vis Fac

            ???? My only take on that statement is that liberals are afraid of their own shadows and need laws to protect themselves from themselves.

        • eddyjames

          Most of the gun laws were put in place in 1968. So much for your theory. It was the unrelenting wave of immigration from every third world cesspool in the name of diversity that doomed us to all the violence.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Thats right Before the Gun Control Act of 1968 you could buy a pistol mail order .

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You live in one of those upper-scale suburban neighborhoods which is populated with mostly Government employees, Jeff?

          Jeff says — “I believe the gun thing is a sickness and your gun is far more likely to be used against you by a burglar or a pissed off spouse or be found by a kid and used to shoot another kid than it is to “save” you from some dire circumstance”.
          That in spite of the fact that we have proved Jeff’s nonsense conjecture to be wrong repeatedly in the past. But no amount of proof can sway the mind of a Liberal Progressive Propagandist:
          https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

          • Jeff

            I don’t know Dave. I’m not one of those creepy nosy neighbors who knows everyone’s business. I’m sure you keep a list of everyone who’s taking your MONEY by working for the City. We do have neighbors who are with the Highway Patrol if you must know.
            As for what you’ve “proven,” it’s still zero. You quote me but offer nothing but your own creepiness in response. Name calling you’re very good at.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Back in the late 80s i trained the two dobermans not to leave the yard with a chinese semi auto vershion of a AK . I would leave the gates open when they would cross the line were the gats would be when they were closed i would fire 4 or five rounds around there feet into the dirt from the portch or the garage it took about a week , You could not drage one of them by a leg back to the open gates ! for the rest of there lifes . Hell Jeff i live on a good street it’s a little road about a 3/4 of a mile long crooket as a snake only ten houses ,i park my tractor and trailer on the side of the road about 200 foot from the house at the end of the street it’s enouf room to turn around to get the rig out loaded or empty the land is unrestricted we do as we please . the guy next to me had a hog 300lbs would run up and down the road like it was a dog I would come in ,in the middle of the night and the hog would run up to the truck to get any food i had, It’s a pice of heven 32 miles north of houston tx .

      • Vis Fac

        Gun laws are in place to make politicians resumes look good that way they can BS their constituents and say “look what I have done for the community” These laws rarely enforced because we have too may firearms in circulation and because they are USELESS. Not one life has been saved because of gun control legislation. The children at Sandyhook the people of Aurora Co. and the others killed in “Safe Gun Free” public zones were not saved by this inane legislation. “When guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns” I fear my government and the militarized police more than I would fear any criminal.
        Semper-Fi

    • Retired LEO in Florida

      Some cops just as some citizens, quit generalizing

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      “police officers on the whole accidentally shoot 11 times more innocent civilians than the rest of America’s gun-owners”.
      http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/05/protect-innocent-civilians-from-guns-outlaw-the-police/
      And that makes sense considering that the victims know who the perps are, while the police usually arrive on the scene without such knowledge and in a high state of alert.

      “2.5 MILLION times a year that a gun is used in self-defense”.
      http://www.actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

  • tim

    the cops are the problem, they get away with these shootings that never should of happened., Did you notice they never shoot criminals anymore, just civilians who can’t defend themselves!!!! Maybe its time we started defending ourselves!!!!!!

    • AMERICAN PATRIOT

      I WIL defend myself if crap like this starts to occur by me!
      I have the RIGHT of SELF DEFENSE, and this INCLUDES cops, EXPECIALLY if they MAKE ME FEAR for my safety, you can bet I will take an OFFENSIVE STAND and OPEN FIRE to KILL THE ATTACKER/S!!!

      • Jeff

        The cops are painting a big target on your house . . . right now!

        • Jimmy the Greek

          The last time one stoped me around here were i live as th waked up to my car ,he sead my last name and told me to go on home , that he pulled me over because i slid around the turn a little fast ,and did not use the turn signal , he never even asked for my licence or any thing, that was at 3:30 am , my broughter used to have the stock car track around here , i dont even know who the cop was .

      • Jimmy the Greek

        Easyer sead than done ,did you ever look at all the bodyarmor and crap they carry , You would stand a better chance if you pushed them in the pool or river , lol , hell with all the gear straped to there butts they would go right to the bottom like a rock !

        • WTS/JAY

          LOL!!!!!

        • Vis Fac

          Body armor does not stop heavy caliber bullets like .338 Lapua or .50 BMG. Body armor protects vital areas and helps deflect projectiles it is almost useless against a head shot. A well placed round to the armpit does a lot of damage a shot to the leg or foot is disabling. There are some people who are deadly accurate at long ranges while most cops aren’t that proficient just spray and pray in close in areas causing massive amounts of collateral damage.
          Semper-Fi

          • JLouisK

            Expert Sharpshooter!

          • Vis Fac

            I am
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            I am
            Semper-Fi

          • Jimmy the Greek

            In citys trian alot I was sitting in baker in rankin and the city cop school is on the other side of rankin , they had them a free goverment huey the all had on there black BDU’s and were riding the skids woth there gear and wepons . sthe ship would go up a 200 to 300 foot come in hot hover and the dummys would ride down on a rope . they were doing this over and over four on each skid .I would have give $ 100.00 to see something take out the tail rudder LOL

          • Vis Fac

            What you are seeing is called fast roping a tactic used to deplane in short order to get boots on the ground quickly.
            one must remain focused during this type of operation lest you loose grip and fall. Tail rotors can jam and I’ve seen two fly off and one become unbalanced and fly apart. Not a pretty site and quite noisy. Dangerous for those who have just exited the aircraft.
            Semper-Fi

  • securityman

    you can knock all of the cops, but , again, all you hear about are the bad things that are happening. where are the stories of the cops that save lives and help people out of jams? I guess that those stories are just not selling enough papers! I know that there are some good cops out there. I was one of them way back in my younger days. I wish the media would start reporting on the good news as well as the bad !!!!!!!!

    • vicki

      Just like the MANY stories of people using guns to SAVE lives there just isn’t enough sensationalism in it for the MSM.

    • aclay777

      wait a minute, we should sacrifice these people for what good, you have a machine here, what point you have missed in like Obama blaming Bush, they blame the “unarmed” person they shot. That’s what this is about, you generalize past the point being made, If you’re implying that the police agency is the only perfect thing in the world, These are bad cops that should be punished, the point being made here, is they are not, but the victim is to be further punished, your position is the reason they kill at will without atonement.

      • securityman

        aclay777, you are an idiot. you probably voted for obummer! what I am saying is that all cops are not bad ones. but the bad ones are all that you here about. I agree that bad cops should be punished. the “point” that I am making is that you only hear about the “bad” cops, never about the ones that put their own lives on the line to save someone.you probably still believe in the Easter Bunny too!!!!!!!!!!

        • Ibn Insha

          Cops are getting paid to put their lives on line. If they are too timid or feel they are dong somebody a favor they should look for another job. All jobs have some dangers associated with them. Being a police officer has its own. Would you like to work on an off shore oil drilling rig? Trust me, those people are more in danger of getting themselves killed than a cop and they serve a very useful purpose.

          • Retired LEO in Florida

            They are also paid a whole lot more than the Average police officer. AND you are wrong, police are not paid to put their life on the line, they are paid as a deterrent to crime, to investigate crime and bring criminals to justice.
            The fact that there are aprox. 150 Officers nationwide killed every year is because they were walking that thin line that separates Citizens and criminals. Not because they wanted to die or were paid to, but because they had Honor in the Oath they took and did their job. I know the military are the heros in this country but if you can’t stand behind your Police Officers feel free to stand in front of them. What Police Officers do and see on a daily basis would make most John Q. Public PUKE.
            I saw my share of the inhumanity that can be perpetrated by one human on another. I saw my share of Car accidents and the aftermath they cause. I have been called out of a meal to answer an emergency call and was happy I did not finish eating because I probably would have lost it anyway. Do you have any idea what happens when a person sticks a gun in their mouth and pulls the trigger? When the gun is of a large enough caliber the gas pressure released at the time of discharge and the bullet will remove the entire top of ones head sending brain matter everywhere. That is the sort of thing cops are paid to deal with, things that John Q. Public can’t or won’t.
            I am only telling you this so you see what it is that we were paid for. My real pay came in the form of seeing the good we did.
            I also saw my share of the good that comes from being a Law Officer. The smile on an old couple that had all but given up when a gang that terrorized their neighborhood was rounded up and taken to jail. I heard the applause as they were escorted to the waiting cars and van.
            The return of a lost child which I should add is a misnomer, the parents were the ones lost,not the child.
            Being in the right place at the right time to save a life of a person that was choking. This was my payment and it bothers me to be automatically characterized . as some sort of thug or criminal, There are some that may fit that characterization but they are vastly outnumbered by good officers that tried to do what was expected by the oath they took.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Police rarely get there in time to do any more than be a danger to the people they are charged with protecting. They get there in time to put you in a body bag, and investigate the incident hoping to later catch the perp.

            Only 150 officers killed each year? According to this article “police killed 330 innocent individuals in 1993″.
            http://www.actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

            And then there are the paramilitary style raids:
            http://www.cato.org/raidmap

            How many police shootings are there of innocent civilians each year? Who knows?
            http://www.commondreams.org/headlines.shtml?/headlines01/0429-02.htm

            Here are some that have been documented:
            http://www.innocentdown.org/

            An interesting point of view:
            http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/05/protect-innocent-civilians-from-guns-outlaw-the-police/

          • Retired LEO in Florida

            Your first statement is mostly true. When you need a cop right now they are only minutes away. Exercise your Second Amendment right and defend yourself.
            If it is a medical emergency learn first responder techniques ahead of time. Beause in most cases the Police will be the first to arrive and for the most part are only trained in first responder care.

            Since 1993 is the best you can offer I will not even respond to that but be advised I never said Cops were supermen or God, they are human and subject to the same human mistakes as anyone else. The training does make it a little less likely for those mistakes but again they are Human.

            Your snide remark to the 150 deaths avg. annually tell me you are a bit of an ass.

            If you have a problem with police don’t call them, ever. I am sure they would rather respond to someone that is not going to bad mouth them for the mistakes of a few. I know I would not have a problem driving right by you if you did not want me there.

            Militarized Raids or as you stated paramilitary style raids, conducted in the cities, usually larger cities. Most people in the US have never even seen a swat team other than TV or pictures on the news.

            Raids conducted on Info received and planned accordingly to reduce threat to officers and innocent civilians alike. Plans are only as good as the info received. Faulty info (info is double checked and often triple checked) or last minute changes to the target area. Cops can be surprised as I stated they are Human. No matter how hard one tries, you cannot plan for every possibility.

            If you were truly concerned with the BS you spout off about, you can do something about it besides bitch on blogs. If in a city, talk with the Mayor ,city council, police chief. Ask to do a ride along to see what the officers are doing and maybe learn why they do things the way they do. If in the rural areas, contact your Sheriff, again ask to about a ride along.
            If you are really concerned do the ride along on different shifts because while Police work is Police work, Policing itself is different for different areas and different times of day.

            Last I would apologize to you for not being a superman or Above A Human Being. God knows we are paid plenty to be like him. (sarc)

          • PainesGHOST

            Your claim that before paramilitary raids info is checked and re-checked does not jibe with the facts that there are far too many “mistakes” (usually buried by the MSM) where the LEOs obviously went in half-cocked, on full auto, and without even verifying WHO was in the building.

            Civilians DIE during these raids, or are maimed or scarred emotionally for life because the Paramilitarized Police have NO COMPUNCTIONS about their actions. They are increasingly out of control and the number of raids on innocents (or situations where the raids are PURELY POLITICAL) are skyrocketing.

            In the State of Oregon, the State Police are certified to be corrupt at least to the point that they will whitewash investigations into evil acts on the part of officers of the Office of the State Fire Marshall. Virtually every pyrotechnician (fireworks professionals) in the Pacific Northwest KNOWS from first-hand experience of the ingrained corruption of both organizations.

            In the past year alone I have personally witnessed three different families whose lives were ruined by a neighbor making a single, un-substantiated phone call to the police. The police, eager for arrests and prosecutions (they own their own jail on which they make money) instantly leap into action and make arrests without doing any forensics or taking any evidence. Then they proceed to absolutely destroy any privacy as they tear through everything looking for SOMETHING to back up the unsubstantiated allegation. Weeks or Months later, court dates continuously postponed by the police and city prosecutor because, just like in the Trayvon Martin case, the police and prosecutor have NOTHING. Meanwhile, friends have lost jobs, been evicted, spent thousands on legal expenses and it just drags on.

            As for your suggestion that one offer to do ride-alongs or OBSERVE the local LEOs at work, you must live in a different world. Around here, the dashboard cams regularly BREAK because the officers do not want to be videotaped, as they know their evil doings will be brought to light. California just passed a law making it a crime to videotape a police officer committing a crime……. WHY? I see new video EVERY DAY of civilians OBEYING THE LAW and still being arrested or beaten or tased. Police gratuitously shooting family pets. One cop that has killed 7 people in 6 years while most on that force have NEVER FIRED THEIR WEAPONS IN ACTION and his bosses find all of them JUSTIFIED?

            The number of citizens ARRESTED and CHARGED or BEATEN by Police for simply videotaping the Police while they are in public is skyrocketing.

            It is likely that there actually are police departments that honestly still PROTECT AND SERVE the public. Not in the county in which I live. Increasingly, the Police are becoming a military fraternity that sees themselves as SPECIAL (note that there are tons of unsolved civilian homocides, but kill a COP and they turn into dragons and NOTHING stops them, even the law, until they “find and prosecute” the killer. The POLICE already see THEM and US as two opposing groups. (their rationale, that a cop killer is especially dangerous, is pure egotistical and elitist crap. Someone who will kill ANYONE is especially dangerous.)

            Our Sheriff is a POLITICIAN, not a Law Enforcement Officer. By the way, when did the police, who used to be our PROTECTORS, become ENFORCERS?

            As a Police Officer there is ONE litmus test for me. Is the Officer an OATHKEEPER? If not, I suspect a silent and embedded enemy of the people or a sociopath that has found an authorized place to act out.

            Maybe where you live, perhaps in Mayberry, the police are still friendly and approachable, but here virtually every individual I know, PARTICULARLY CONSERVATIVES, are leery of the Police who all locally have been weaponized and used by the local politicians to quell CONSERVATIVE voices (when they aren’t simply being TOOLS or filling QUOTAs or breaking their very expensive dashcams.

            As for your suggestion that we NEVER call the Police, would that that is possible! If I ever DO have to call the police, I suspect it will be to remove a corpse from my premises after which I will be arrested for defending myself. Anything less, I plan to deal with personally. My security system will absolutely identify any intruders, and scum are pretty easy to track down. After that,there are many ways to induce an individual to regret a past action and possibly reform.

            I’m not a hot-head, and I’m not a “gun nut” in fact don’t own a “gun”. Which is not to say I am defenseless or unarmed. Guns certainly have their place, but are really only a part of a healthy self/family defense plan.

            Assuming you are NOT one of the monsters in uniform that are so prevalent, thank you for your service.

          • PainesGHOST

            Would once have agreed with you but have seen too much of local LEO evil behaviors at all levels: The three cities I live near, the County Sheriff (ours is not a LAWMAN but a politician) the Prosecutors offices at city and county levels, Insane antics by police forces of all stripes as well as prosecutorial and judicial malfeasance that is virtually ALWAYS buried (like Obama’s crimes) by a quisling traitor press give the evil forces among our “law enforcement agencies” the cover they need to pursue evil agendas and to simply act the part of hooligans.

            When all it takes to RUIN SOMEONES LIFE or KILL SOMEONE is to simply call the local LEO and allege a crime on the part of a neighbor, or worse yet, SWAT a neighbor, the POLICE and COURTS at all levels become the enemy. Fifteen dollars on a burn phone and you can USE THE POLICE as a directed weapon against the person of your choice..

            We ALL need to ponder on the implications of that.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          There is a solution, securityman, if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
          There is no excuse for cops to become a danger to the very people they are supposedly protecting.

    • Ibn Insha

      You have admitted that there are SOME good cops. That means there are so many bad cops that they automatically make story.

      Police departments now a days are armed to teeth, just like military. They can do anything and they immune from prosecution because both police and prosecutors are government and government will not prosecute itself. It has become quite common that police kills an innocent person and then blames the victim for being shot dead. There is no excuse for using excess force by a police officer specially when there are too many of them against one person.

    • tinkerunique

      Guns and blood sell papers and front page pays better than page 6. MANY guns stop or prohibit crime daily but get buried, as do the good police doing good things. A white man helps a black girl gets “forgot, but a white man shoots a black thug gets a month of front page. POTUS and his “group” are setting the pace. With “FEAR” selling so good, it seems to be a shoot first and think about it later – THEN cover it up or white-wash it.

  • Retired LEO in Florida

    We are living in a very sad time in American History. We have a Great divider in the White House. We have a Criminal, a murderer in charge of the Department of InJustice. We have Congressmen passing laws they have not read and have no idea as to what damage these laws will do. We have a Lying, Phony, Muslim in the White House making up his own laws as he goes. Spending Money, this country does not have, On his Muslim friends in the Mid East, on Vacations every couple of months and has done nothing in 5 years to warrant even one vacation. The Public is pissed, the Cops are befuddled. It is way past time to get back to common sense, get rid of the garbage that is dragging us all down.
    Throw this Scandal of a president out on his rear. Prosecute him and his cohorts for Fraud, Theft in Office, Murder, any other crime committed and lock them up in Gitmo. A little water boarding would do them some good then we can turn them loose and play dodge drones with them.

  • aclay777

    They forgot the video of the homeless guy who carves wood items for money had his knife in the sheath on his hip, when he walked by the police asked him to halt and shot him dead, this, of course, is a justified shooting. “My ass”

  • WTS/JAY

    Cleveland Police Disciplining 75 Cops After An Unarmed Couple Was Shot At 137 Times…

    Cleveland Police Chief Michael McGrathCleveland police officials said Friday they’re disciplining 75 of officers for their involvement in a police chase that ended in the shooting deaths of an unarmed man and woman, The Plain Dealer reports.

    The pair were shot at 137 times while in their car, parked in a middle school parking lot. No officers were injured in what police called a “full blown-out” firefight.

    Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine told reporters in February that “there is nothing normal about this case. … This is a tragedy.”

    In November, about 60 police vehicles pursued the two suspects in a 25-minute chase spanning three cities. One suspect, 30-year-old Malissa Williams, was shot 24 times, and the other, 43-year-old Timothy Russell, was shot 23 times.

    At the time, police said the suspects fired shots at them near Cleveland’s downtown Justice Center, according to The Plain Dealer. And a police dispatcher said that shots were fired at officers during the chase.

    But after the chase ended in a gunfight near Heritage Middle School, police checked the car and realized neither Williams nor Russell was armed.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cleveland-police-disciplined-in-deadly-chase-2013-8#ixzz2awGsQLlM

  • native blood

    Our LEOs forgot the mantra of “Serve and Protect”
    Serve their community in every way and protect people, property and the peace.
    Unfortunately it is mostly

    Self servitude and protect your own a$$.

    If you cannot go with the original spirit of law enforcement then you should get out of the business and let unafraid men and women replace your cowardly self.

  • Chris

    Not that I am defending the police but in this day and age where SCUM would not think twice about shooting a cop, you really can’t blame cops for being trigger-happy……..sad, but if a cop was respected and not have to FEAR FOR HIS/HER LIFE that a tiny move on someone’s part could end it, then they would have NO REASON to be trigger-happy. SCUM made them this way, but no………people would prefer the SCUM of the earth to have free meals and board at club prison instead of being executed. How many times have criminals been released from prison only to wind up committing murder? Fry the scum so that the rest of us law-abiding citizens can live in peace. I don’t want to hear that executing doesn’t “work” re: crime deterrance……..I don’t CARE……if it doesn’t deter a criminal, then FRY THEM “TOO”!

  • Hap Harris

    Gestapo, Stasi, NKVD,….Cops-!!! It was bound to happen. The New World Order is now in YOUR neighborhood-!!