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Fleabaggers, Fleas and Disease

November 12, 2011 by  

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    it is thier own fault that the flea baggers have disease with all of the filth and not taking baths i hope you all get sick.

    • Evermyrtle

      Sean, you are correct, soap and water on the body, especially on the hands, with a little scrubbing, several times a day will prevent many,many diseases. Clean dishes, bedding, clothes, living space adds to this protection.

      • Linda

        I think soap and water in the mouths of some of the “fleabaggers” would be a good thing too.

        • Palin16

          Time to call out the National Guard and tear gas these vermin. I’ve been to two Tea Party gatherings, and none of the killings, rapes, heroin dealings, and destruction of property like the occupiers have committed took place. And yet, Pigosi calls these slime true American heroes.

          • http://naver samurai

            Right on! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • MilitaryPatriot

      Scum of the earth, always from the left. Old hippie grandchildren coming back to haunt us. Yuuuuuuugh! Remember 60s & 70s.

      • JUKEBOX

        If you have ever been through downtown Atlanta on the interstate, you probably seen many of the fleabaggers with their tents and sleeping bags, living under the bridges. They have just moved into downtown for the chance of getting some food and money from Soros.

        • CJM

          Jukebox: In all fairness, not all are those nasty OWS fleabaggers, some are homeless and you can’t blame them for their plight. Unfortunately, because of those selfish fleas, many of the homeless will go without food because the fleas will overwhelm the charitable soup lines. I’d rather take care of the homeless than any flea and I’m sure you would too.

          • Karolyn

            Will you just listen to yourself? Is all this hatred coming from just listening to people like Ben Crystal? Why not try having a little more balance in your reading?

          • taliesin319

            Recently in NYC the elitest OWS trust fund babys and other assorted whiners instructed their pro-
            fessional chefs set up in a special tent to stop sharing food with the homeless. They are allowed to make weak hot cerial and give them that. Meanwhile Soros’s SS troops dine on organic veggies and free chicken.
            Sounds like everybody except the poor folk are Napoleons straight out of Orwell’s Animal farm.

          • granny mae

            Seems like we have so many opinions on the rights of protesters and who is protesting or what they are protesting and whether they have a right to protest I would like to say one thing. If each state and city would set a time length as to how long a group could demonstrate or protest and guidelines as to whether there could be camping out and who is going to be responsible for the cost of cleaning up that mess. There should be permits issued for protests and demonstrations with clear instructions as to what is permitted and what is not. For instance you cannot camp out over night, you cannot destroy public or private property etc. Who ever is responsible for the permit is responsible for the damages and clean up costs ! When you allow people to camp out where there is no sanitary facilities and in a weather climate condusive to desease you are asking for trouble. Then again if you are trying to overthrow a country you will allow all of this to happen and in fact encourage it to happen so as to bring unrest and instability to the country . The more desease there is the more people that stand to die from desease and the fewer people those causing the unrest will have to deal with opposition ! Sounds sick, and it is ! But that is the way people think that want to over throw countries ! First you convince people that they are discriminated against, whether it be in wage earnings, education, home ownership or what ever. You have to convince them that they have a right to anything better than they already have or they have a right to something they don’t have even if they don’t want it. Then you create unrest for government, because after all it is government’s fault. Then you encourage anyone and everyone to protest in their favorite way, voice and actions, destruction and violence ! Anything to get arrested and make a sceen , then one day when it is all over with and it will be over with one day, you can use the resulting trouble, which by that time should and must be a major confrontation of and by the people on the street; who are despencible, so all can be seen on the news as see we told you so. All the time those who are actually responcible for everything are still hiding in the shadows. They will never get their hands visably dirty, and the rest of us sit back and wonder what the heck just happened ! It is time to clean up all the protesters and clean the cities up and fumigate everything.

          • Dennis48e

            Never work Grannie your ideas make too much sense.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said Granny Mae and welcome back. I haven’t seen you for awhile. It’s always good to have a person whose posts make perfect sense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        Yeah, the 60s and 70s, best time of my life!

        • CJM

          Really? We thought the hippies were a filthy odd lot. Spouse used to say–”and to think, these will someday join the establishment and ruin our government.” Well—they did and they have.

          • Sirian

            CJM you hit the nail right square on the head. That’s what’s so disturbing about this fiasco of “useful idiots”.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well Sirian you got one point right about Karolyn, idiot, but not useful. Next thing you know, she’ll get up behind her podium and start Christian and God bashing for this problem. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – Just like you to jump in a lie. I never bash God, and I just call it like I see it about the ungodly ways of many Christians. I also just voice my spiritual views but do not bash Christianity. Just listen to yourself. I know you have never heard me call anyone a name. That is something I do not stoop to.

          • JC

            Well Karolyn I guees in all fairness you might want to balance out your comment by telling us what you know about all the good things that are done by Christian church organizations. You might start with bake sales to benefit the poor, or bottle drives to buy uniforms for scout troops , or passing the plate to help provide people in third word countries with potable water and medicines, or emergency relief for people caught in disasters…but you being an observer of Christian related activities can, I’m sure come up with many many more examples. :)

          • Karolyn

            JC – Of course churches do good work. What does that have to do with anything I’ve said?

          • Christin

            Karolyn, our 60′s girl… YOU LIE.

            I have been a victim of YOUR rude name calling AND You have bashed Christianity PLENTY of times.

          • JC

            You’re right Karolyn, re-reading it my comment doesn’t connect with anything you’ve said here. I have seen you go after the Christian community a time or two for their apparent deviations from their own faith. That just makes them human like everybody else.

          • http://naver samurai

            You don’t lie Karolyn? Ha, ha, ha, ha! That was funny. You mean the part about you saying that the Bible is just a bunch of myths and not true? That’s a big lie right there. Though I do agree with you about some “Christians”, but we know they are CINOs and nor real Christians. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

            George Washington

          • Karolyn

            Christin – I have NEVER called anyone a name on this site. Well, maybe once or twice I might have called someone a jerk because the said something offensive. As far as Christian bashing – nope! I may argue points but do not bash Christians. I only speak of their hypocrisy. I was one for a long time and do undeerstand. Most of the people I come into contact with on a daily basis are Christians – I live in the Bible Belt; and MOST of them are pretty good people. I just do not agree with the standard translation and interpretation of the Bible, especially some people’s interpretations, like woman should be subservient to man – That results in crimes against women in the long run.

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s the wife being submissive to her husband, so how does thia affect the crime rate? People who commit such crimes are not Christian, but anarchists. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – Did I not say certain interpretations of the Bible? It leads to the woman being subjugated and some men feeling that women are less than, leading to brutal treatment of women. And don’t bring the Muslims into this because we’re not talking about them. I am speaking of the general climate for women, which comes into being directly from the Bible, from it being a patriarchical society. Also from God being generally recognized as a man.

          • http://naver samurai

            Need to get off of the kool aid Karolyn. If you also looked at the KJV, you would also see that not only does it say what I’ve posted, but also says that the man should love his wife and cherish her. I assume you have no problem with that? Put down the feminazi banner and learn what it really says before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – When you talk about crimes against women, this is my territory; it’s what I do for a living. The reason we live in a “rape culture” is because of the subjugation of women and it being a patriarchical society, starting with God, who is generally recognized as being a man. That is the starting point! In societies who have an “earth mother” god, women are more respected. I am not a feminazi but someone looking for answers and trying to help those less fortunate than me.

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s kind of hard to believe, since women have equal protection under the law and the same rights as written in the Constitution. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Rapists and other dregs of society are anarchists and only care about themselves and no one else. Get off the women’s lib platform.

          • iowaheretic

            “I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that thier religious fights wouldn’t endanger the peace of society.” George Washington
            PS; George Washington, our first president, was a self proclaimed Deist, NOT a christian.

          • http://naver samurai

            You lie IH. First, care to cite a source to back up that lie? Second, if he was a diest, why would he say these:

            “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

            “It’s impossible to rightly govern without God and the Bible.”

            It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor.”

            “True religion affords to government it’s surest support.”

            Also, why would he say in a prayer,

            “Oh, eternernal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words, and work. Wash away my sind in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by Thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of Thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in Thy fear, and dying in Thy favor, I may in Thy appointed time botain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy son, Jesus Christ.”

            If he were a deist, he would not believe in the Holy Spirit nor Jesus as his son. He was an Episcipalian (sp) and not a deist. Another lie from some loser atheist (KANG). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Bruno Boccagalupe

          Karolyn,… 60s & 70s, best time of your life?? no wonder your earlier post complained about others posting their thoughts regarding flea baggers. What about all the disease, hurt, sorrow that came from those times? Now we have rapes, theft,molestings, spread of disease both by multi-legged, as well as two legged bearers. Oh heavens yes truly a glorious time both then and now. GET REAL GIRL! These are serious, horrific times.

          • Karolyn

            The times are whatever you focus on and see them to be. During the 60s and 70s, when I was in my teens and 20s, I was the most free ever in my whole life. We used to say “free, white and 21.” We enjoyed our lives and stood up for what we believed in. It was a time of getting “real,” honesty, and introspection. I can’t say that I would want to be 20 today. I am glad I was born when I was.

        • Tim

          Yeah, 1967, the summer of love. I was in Vietnam. Great memories. I still have nightmares.

          • Ed

            Roger that Tim. But Karolyn was “not looking” at that so it did not impact her psychy. Therefore it has no validity in her world. Long story short? Bad people do BAD things. As Scripture puts it…” By their fruits you shall know them…”. If you’re ignoring what’s going on in the world what does it say about the fruit you produce? Who does more for the abused…. the one who helps victims get over it? Or the ones who put their own lives on the line to STOP it? Someone is sadly lacking in perspective, courage, and common sense. I go.

          • http://naver samurai

            Very true Ed, very true. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Tim2

            Me too. Acquired mine at Leatherneck Square in a line Company @ Con Thien and Khe Sahn, while the commie agent WJ Clinton was organizing riots in foreign lands commiting High Treason.

    • Mike in MI

      sean -
      They are all sick. But it ain’t all physical diseases, and they can’t get healed with physical agents. Worst thing is they got infested with the stuff in our school system.
      The smartest things the Devil ever did was convince people he doesn’t exist and all mental disease can be fixed by psychiatrists’ prescription pads.

      • Christin

        You are right, Mike in MI.

        The Occupy ‘fleabaggers’ need a change of heart… washed by the blood of Jesus. Getting saved would make productive citizens out of the bunch, instead of the lawless (anarchist), useless (to constitutional America), sick, filth that they have become.

        Top Down… Bottom Up… Inside Out… isn’t it great…

        • Erik

          Yes, fairy tale messiahs are very important. Try praying to Batman or Darth Vader and see if the results aren’t the same.
          Silly children.

          • http://naver samurai

            What proof and evidence can you provide that shows atheism to be accurate and correct? We were founded a Christian nation, so get over the lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. You are 100% correct Christin, no matter what these children of satan tell you. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – What proof or evidence can you supply that proves that the Bible is accurate? Were you there? You go by faith. Well, I am not an atheist; however, my beliefs about God and spirituality are by faith also.

          • http://naver samurai

            If you are not an atheist Karolyn, you sure like to stick up for them. Remember this also:

            “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion (Christianity) and morality are indispensible.”

            George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

            Since Obama bin Laden, the OWS, and lib traitora and cowards don’t have these essencial elements, they will never lead this nation to prosperity. Only God and Jesus can do that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jimbo

            Eric, If religions are all fairy tales then why are you liberals not bashing Islam and trashing the Koran? No balls? What will you do when confronted by a Christian soldier that has a “human” failing of not turning the other cheek?

          • Marty S.

            Errorik, I think your mistaken. You can talk smack about Christianity but I would rather believe and live my life as if Christ is my Savior rather than not and find out on the other side what a grave bad call I made while living my human life. Listen to that little voice deep within your heart and may you find God’s blessing there.

          • Firefly

            Erik, your statement reminds me of when the communists were very active in Central American and supported by Cuba they had everyone in the early elementary grades take part in an experiment. They closed their eyes and prayed to God for candy. They were then told to open their eyes and they discovered there was no candy. Then they were told to close their eyes again and pray for candy but this time to pray to the glorious leader (whoever it was I have long forgotten). They again opened their eyes and found nothing. “This is because prayer doesn’t work” they were told and “You have to work to get anything you want in life” the communists told the children but because you did what we asked you to do in our little experiment our leader has generously allowed us to give each of you a little bag of candy to help you remember this lesson.

            Of course this “experiment” was from the pit of hell designed to crush the spirit of those whose faith was slight or non-existent. God most assuredly does answer pray but one has to believe in Him first and know Him and love Him and seek to do His will where possible. He doesn’t listen to unrepentant sinners (all are sinners and anyone who says he does not sin is a liar!). But Christians know if they slip up they can turn to God and ask for grace and forgiveness and He will forgive them. God always forgives sin to a truly repentant soul who wants to be forgiven but there is much to learn that you have no inkling about.

            I know God answers prayer and one of the biggest he answered for me was in 1993 when the IOC was deciding on whether the Olympics for Y2K should be in Australia or China. I was bothered about this and began to pray. I did not feel that China deserved this honor so soon after killing 3,500 of their own citizens, mostly students, who were protesting for freedom (they claim it was only 350 but Soviet records indicate it was closer to ten times that many). I am of course, talking about the Tian’anmen Square Massacre of 1989. I did not know what was best but I felt that China was not ready for such a privilege. Consequently each day for some time I prayed to Our Heavenly Father, asking in Jesus name, that He work out what was truly best in that situation. I cannot even tell you why it bothered me so much but what bothers God often bothers those who love Him too. I prayed for several weeks and then forgot about it. Several months passed and then it was announced that Australia had been selected for the Y2K Olympics. I was very pleased at that decision although I had not prayed for it specifically, only that God would work His will on the situation. Suddenly in my spirit I heard the Lord say, “Your prayers did that!” I was amazed! My prayers alone? How, I wondered. Surely there must have been someone else on the whole planet that was praying about this. It was then that it was announced that the committee was evenly split between China and Australia and just one member of the IOC had trouble making up his mind (I knew nothing about this at the time I prayed). Finally he decided and it was for Australia. Apparently I WAS the only one praying about this.

            Now I know it’s not a big deal and there are far more important things in the world than the Olympics but I was fascinated that a relatively insignificant person like myself could bring about something like this with my prayers.(In God’s eyes none of us are insignificant). I have on other occasions prayed prayers that God answered and they have always been amazing but as a non-believer you simply could not believe the things I could tell you I have experienced because you have not experienced them. You will have, however, a treat in store someday if you ever discover that God is real and the power of prayer. Our life here on earth is an insignificant span of time regardless of how many years it lasts and there is (apparently) much that we can only learn here. I hope you don’t squander your life like so many seeking useless toys that are so transitory. God loves you as much as He loves anyone but pride and arrogance build a wall that even He has a hard time bridging. Still, if you ever decide to seek out the answer to the questions, “Does God exist? Does He love me? How can I be assured of salvation? What does He want from me? What can He do for me? What can I do for Him?” you will discover that which will make all the difference in your life and your future. There is no friend you can have greater than God. I’m still discovering that but I’m so glad I’m on the path I know is best for me. May God bless you and all who read this.

          • http://naver samurai

            No reply from Erik? Just as I thought, a troll. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://www.hermanatorcainiacs.blogspot.com Mayor_Bodacious_999

            God does need to be allowed back into these United States of America. The devil is alive and well …. and we the people have allowed him to indoctrinate our youth. This is our problem. We have to pray them home.

          • Bruno Boccagalupe

            Erik,…There will be a time when you too will believe. I pray it wont be too late for you!

          • Karolyn

            Mayor – YOU CANNOT TAKE GOD OUT OF A COUNTRY! God or universal intelligence just IS! Just because the schools don’t teach the Bible, and other symbols and words have been removed doesn’t mean that God is not here! I’ve said this before: You cannot remove faith from a person. If you feel children are not as good because God is not referenced in schools, you are wrong. That responsibility is one the parents. I don’t care what is on TV, on the internet, taught in schools, etc. the parents are ultimately responsible for how their children turn out.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Karolyn, but if a nation’s people do not worship God, then he is not there. Like it says in the Bible, “If two or more gather together in my name, I’m there also.” Ergo, if no one worships, prays, reads the Bible, or believes in God, then his presence isn’t there either. He is not in the people. I think that is what mayor was trying to say. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • EltonJ

            “Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;”

            D&C 91:1.

            Erik, you are the one that believe in Fairy Tales.

        • Evermyrtle

          Christin, you are so right, if all the fleabaggers? were to get washed in the blood of JESUS CHRIST, that would end their lack of power to make sensible, good health, and Christian decisions.

          I HAVE A DREAM: that everybody WHO wants to blame Christians with all the evil that is going on today, would read the Bible, discover what it is that makes a person, a Christian before they blame every vile deed on Christian. To call yourself a Christian does not make you a Christian anymore that calling yourself a tree makes you a tree. There are good sound GOD made rules that one has to live by to become a Christian. A true Christian DOES NOT BREAK GOD’S COMMANDMENTS. If you do not have a clue what these commandments are, you can find them in Exodus and Leviticus in the BIBLE. Read Matt 22:35-40, also

          • http://www.hermanatorcainiacs.blogspot.com Mayor_Bodacious_999

            I respectfully disagree with you Evermyrtle. Not one amongst us is perfect, no not one. No matter how hard we try we all fail. If not for the blood of Jesus Christ we’d all be doomed to a pit of fire in hell. There but for the grace of God goeth I.
            Judge not lest ye be judged….
            We take God’s Grace…One Day at a Time and strive to do better. IMHO :)

          • usmadgirl

            Mayor_Bodacious_999

            You are so right! We live under Grace! If we were living under the Law, we’d all be in serious trouble. If we could live a perfect life, there would’ve been no reason for Christ to die on the cross for our sins.

        • Karolyn

          So you are ASSUMING none of them are Christians? I find that a little hard to believe, considering the cross-section of people who are involved, including veterans, who I thought all conservatives love without reservation. I guess I was wrong. You guys always throw everybody into one heap and cast your aspersions upon them all.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Including Veterans Karolyn????C’mon most Vets aren’t down with the OWS mindset, I’d wager a bet they’re OWS hippies, borrowing Vet fatigues/gear to give the impression they’re vets, do you always perceive every thing you see as truth?

          • http://naver samurai

            Which ones are veterans and Christians, Karolyn? They are the ones protesting in Washington and San Diego for his impeachment. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. No Christian in their right mind would support Obama bin Laden in the White House. The man even tried to impose a tax on Christmas Trees. Sheesh! What will the idiot do next? Ooops! I better not ask that question, due to possibly not liking the response from him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – Not too up on the news are you? I guess you hadn’t heard about the 2 vets who have been injured by police either.
            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02/veterans-to-march-with-occupy-wall-street-protesters/

          • Karolyn

            samurai – Nobody said ANY of the protestors are supporting Obama! Where have you been?
            http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/11/352299/veterans-occupy-wall-street/

          • Angel Wannabe

            and Karolyn, two Vets does not the entire Military make, C’mon!

          • talkinbout

            Re: Samurai, Maybe you’ve had different experiences but I’ve been around for quite a while and to tell you the truth I don’t see Christains as being any better or any worse than the average person in general.

            Also, Obama does not have the power to tax anything.

            There is a constant barrage of misinformation on this site. If you take the time to read this page from FactCheck .org (or go to the fact check site of your choice) you’ll find the truth about a lot of the things you may have heard or believe.

            http://www.factcheck.org/hot-topics/

          • Angel Wannabe

            Fact check and snopes, are both Liberal skewed and like polls, are easily manipulated by either side to control the debate__ not worth the time!__:)

          • talkinbout

            Re: Angelwannabe, Facts are facts. It may appear to you that they are “liberal skewed” because so much of what the right wing believes is not true. If you have evidence that the fact check sites are “easily manipulated”, I would appreciate you sending a link or whatever evidence you have.

            I agree with you that the polls can be easily manipulated. You might have seen the HBO documentary about how easy it is to hack into the voting computers. The thing is though, the manufacurers of those machines are Republicans. Exit polls have always been, and still are in other countries, quite accurate until we started using computer voting and the inconsistanties have always favored the Republicans.

            If you believe that you can’t trust the fact check sites, then where do you go to check your facts?

          • talkinbout

            Sorry about the typo = “inconsistancies”.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, come on, Angel! Don’t be ridiculous! I never said the military was involved in OWS. The obvious point I am TRYING to make is that there are people who even you would respect who are participating. Two vets have been injuured, one pretty badly, that’s all I said!

          • http://naver samurai

            First, I know about the protests in Washington, due to my wife Sook Young attending them for a couple of days. You also say the Christians are no better than anyone else? I guess you are not a Christian are you? Second Karolyn, thanks for the cites. I’ll look at them and give you a response. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Watch out Angel. The left wing extremists are out in force today.

          • Jimbo

            Karolyn, Christians feel that we are not in any way perfect or superior to anyone else… We only state that we are forgiven of our sins by our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

          • Bruno Boccagalupe

            Karolyn,…I can love you and all those out there, but I do not love their activities.

        • CJM

          They aren’t interested…the only thing they want is whatever YOU have worked hard to EARN (an alien word to them. Remember Krebbs’ aversion to work in the Dobie Gillis sitcom?). They want it all, but not the dignity of working for it.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            So cliche! The same mantra over and over whithout really having any facts.

          • talkinbout

            That may be true for some individuals but not for the huge majority of people. People need to be able to tell the difference between opinion and fact. I keep hearing that from the extreme right like yourself, but there is no evidence to back up the claim that Obama is taking away money from anybody to give to “people who don’t want to work for a living but want what you earned”. If you believe that please provide the evidence other than the fact the you have to pay your taxes. If you’re talking about wefare, don’t forget to include corporate welfare.

          • Alex Frazier

            I’m not known for speaking without the facts. Here is the fact that Obama wants to spread the wealth around …

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcEHLr4gBg

            That, my friends, is taking from one to give to another.

          • talkinbout

            Re: Alex Frazier, You have misinterpreted what he said and you haven’t shown any evidence of where that is actually happening today.

            What he was talking about is that since 1980 the economy has doubled in size, but adjusting for inflation, most people’s wages have barely increased dispite the fact that Americans are working harder, longer and more efficiently than ever before. Where did that money go? Almost all the gains have gone to the super rich. The top 1% used to take home about 10% of total income. Now, it takes home more than 20% and the super rich now have about 40% of the nations wealth. All that money at the top has given the super rich lots of political power, especially power to lower their tax rates. Most of their income is capital gains, subject to only a 15% tax. According to the IRS the richest 400 Americans pay only 17%. This means huge budget deficits. Tax revenues are down to less than 15% of the total economy, the lowest in 60 years. So, public services are being cut at all levels of government. Our kids are being crowded into classrooms with more and more other children. Roads, bridges, levies, health care, safety nets are all being sacrificed. Instead of joining together for better wages and jobs, many people are so scared that they’re competing with other working people for the scraps that are left behind. So, we get union verses non-union, public employee verses private, native born verses immigrants. The vast middle class, unable to borrow as before no longer has the purchasing power needed to get the economy growing again, which means continued high unemployment and an anemic recovery. The only way we can have a strong economy is with a strong middle class.

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn and talkingabout are full of crap. Who do you think set up the unconstitutional welfare programs that use tax dollars to support these people? It sure wasn’t the conservatives or GOP, now was it? If they can’t go by our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters, then they are nor good Americans. If they need help, they can get help from charities, churches, and their family. My mother-in-law in Korea has no job and they have no social security for her there, so Sook Young and I send her some money every month, give some to my mother every month, and give money to various charities to help the downtrodden. We even give clothes to our church to give to the poor, work at our local Faith Mission on Saturdays feeding the poor, and many other things. All these things are from the heart and not the government. This is the ways that God and Jesus told us to do, not having those that have money be forced to pay for them with tax dollars. You 2 neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • talkinbout

            Re: Sumuria, I try to treat everybody I talk to with respect. Name calling does not make you sound intelligent.

            I am not a fan of welfare and will not advocate for it. I do feel sorry for those who’ve tried to do everything right but still find themselves being needy and I am pissed about those who abuse and game the system. I pay taxes too.

            Who set up the “unconstitutional welfare programs” that use tax dollars to support the corporations? Do you support corporate welfare? You must be aware of the big corporations that make billions of dollars and yet pay no taxes and some even get refunds while paying nothing. If welfare is unconstitutional, as you say, why hasn’t that been brought before the Supreme Court? For most of the Bush II years the Repubs were in complete control of all three branches of government. Why didn’t they outlaw things like welfare or abortion then? But, you’re changing the subject. Welfare was around long before Obama came to the presidency so that can’t be his doing.

            It appears that either you are rich or they’ve got you advocating for them against yourself. The game is rigged and the middle class is losing. Class warfare has been going on for decades but it’s only called class wawfare when the middle class tries to defend itself. The middle class IS America and when that’s gone we will be a like a third world country – all rich and poor. Then we will surely be ripe for your socialist/communist fears.

            What makes you think that when the Repubs get rid of unions and government workers that anything will improve for you or me. It’s more likely that they will start making the argument that you are making too much money and they can get stuff done in poorer countries much cheaper. Do you think they will have any loyalty to you?

          • http://naver samurai

            Thinkinabout, sorry to bust your bubble, but Sook Young and I are a middle class family. We are rich in other areas than money. We are rich in friends, family, experiences, but not in money. Though both of us work, with 4 kids it is almost impossible to keep savings in the bank. Next, I do not advocate for the rich or corporate welfare. You are right that these things have been going on for longer than Obama bin Laden has been in office. It basically started under FDR, but it has outlived its usefulness and is, along with other social programs, is the bulk of our budget. Get rid of it and then we’ll have the money to pay towards our ever rising debt and be able to strengthen this country’s military, fight the problem of illegals, and many other things. Next, corporate welfare is not a good thing either, but I’ll bet that Obama bin Laden gave out more money on bailouts and loans than any other president in history. Next, my wife and I want this country to get back to the ways we were founded and to go by the Constitution, get rid of progressiveism, get rid of secular humanism, etc. I hope this answers your questions. As far as my tone, I tend to answer things straightly, directly, and bluntly so no one will not misunderstand where I stand on an issue. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Alex Frazier

            @talkinbout …

            I didn’t misinterpret what he said. Actually, you misinterpreted who I was answering. That’s my fault for not clarifying myself. The post was to you.

            CJM said “the only thing they want is whatever YOU have worked hard to EARN.”

            That is precisely the sentiment in the Occupy Wall Street movement. They are protesting for an equilibrium. They think the top earners of our country should pay more.

            But pay more to what, exactly?

            Well … there are some who think that they should get a free pass on the student loans they volutarily took out for their education. There are some who think that the wealth should be redistributed, which means taking it from one to give it to another (unless you have another definition for word “redistribute”).

            So it’s not inaccurate to say that they want what others have worked to earn. Nor is it inaccurate to say that “they want it all, but not the dignity of working for it.”

            In which case, I am in agreement with CJM.

            However, I do not agree with you that “there is no evidence to back up the claim that Obama is taking away money from anybody to give to ‘people who don’t want to work for a living but want what you earned,’” when such people do, in fact, want what they have not earned.

            And to be clear, CJM didn’t say they didn’t want to work, but that they wanted what belongs to others without working for it.

            That being said, the video clip I posted showing Obama endorsing the socialist agenda of wealth redistribution is absolutely evidence that Obama intended to take away money from some to give to others. And he did just that as soon as he got in office.

            I’ll address the body of your response in another post.

          • http://deleted Claire

            The way I see it is: None of the politicians want to work together to accomplish one damn thing. For the 100th time, I will post that all they are thinking about is 2012. All of them. Stall tactics? Yes. They aren’t thinking about the problems of America or they would get off their dead a##es, stop thinking politics and work together to create jobs. They disgust me.

          • Bruno Boccagalupe

            Yes indeed, same as Karolyn wanted as she revolted in the 60s & 70s,
            trouble is, she’s still revolting. Still wants it all, for free!

          • http://deleted Claire

            I will not berate Karolyn or anyone else on this site. This is what freedom of speech is all about, whether what anyone posts is right (no pun) or wrong. We all have the option of speaking our minds and what we believe. I don’t always agree with everyone nor do they always agree with me. But I sure as hell won’t call them names just because they don’t agree with me. It is not always “my way or the highway.” People have been taught well, especially the name-calling-I hear it on the radio, thanks to the radio talk show hosts who think they are so almighty wonderful, when in reality they are nothing more than hatemongers, and because of the hate they spread, they are laughing all the way to the bank. I used to listen to them but no more. I have no room in my life for radicals. This is exactly why America is divided. This is exactly why there will be no end to the mess America is in. Constant turmoil and the lack of any common sense/rationality/fairness is the name of the game.

          • Alex Frazier

            @talkinbout …

            1. First of all, the 1% are the bankers. Don’t let media propaganda interfere with your intellect.

            2. Are the top earners now responsible for employers who refuse to pay higher wages?

            3. What business is it of yours or mine where the profits from business go? Or to whom they go? Did you earn it?

            4. The stupidity of the public at large is what gives the super rich political power, not their money. Your own argument is a product of their influence. Fighting for equilibrium and the redistribution of wealth is a socialist maxim.

            5. No one has more political power than a unified people at the polls. That’s a fact.

            6. Lower tax rates on top earners results in the expansion of business and the creation of jobs.

            7. Budget deficits are not caused by the wealthy being robbed of a mere 17% in taxes. They are caused by the government spending money they don’t have on programs that they can’t afford. That’s what a deficit is. It’s the balance between revenue and expenditures. Whatever is spent that is not covered by collected revenue is a deficit.

            8. Our deficit can be as readily fixed by cutting the spending as it can be by stealing from the wealthy.

            9. I don’t personally care if government services are being cut. The government was never tasked with the obligation to provide for our every want.

            10. I don’t want the government handling our children’s education.

            11. Roads, bridges, levies, and other infrastructure wouldn’t be in disrepair if the government weren’t spending all their revenue fighting wars, paying the indolent to put 24″ rims on their gas-guzzlers, giving free handouts to people won’t work, and paying to keep up mothers with six kids.

            12. It’s not the government’s job to provide safety nets through compulsory taxation. That is the duty of charity.

            13. Unions have their uses. But unions also foster violence and force people to pay for the privilege of earning a wage. You won’t find any sympathy for unions here.

            14. Competition in jobs is a good thing. Wages, just like prices, are too high. Perhaps if they ALL came down a bit, we might be in better shape.

            15. Immigrants who come here illegally shouldn’t be working at all. Government jobs pay too much. Unions suck.

            16. The middle class doesn’t need to borrow. Borrowing is wicked. They’d be better off if they saved and spent rather than borrowing. It’s the very mentality that people NEED to borrow that has led people like Ben Bernanke to make such ridiculous statements as the notion that our homes are our savings. And the country takes it literally as the middle class spends the equity in their homes to buy groceries.

            17. If you want to fix the money and spending problem in the middle class, the government needs to stop spending money they don’t have. That money has to come from somewhere. And it presently comes mostly from the middle class.

          • Alex Frazier

            Claire, the reason they can’t get anything done is that they suffer from a difference in methodology. The Republicans firmly believe that higher taxes and further deficit spending will not work, and that it will have a negative impact. Democrats believe that deficit spending is the solution to our problem, and that austerity is foolish.

            It’s no different than arguing about which way the light switch has to be flipped to turn on the light. One side says that you have to flip it up to the “on” position while the other says you have to flip it down to the position we can’t read, but that’ll we’ll just have to try to find out.

            This is not a stall tactic. They are in full blown disagreement about the method by which our recovery is to be affected, and they both believe that the other’s point of view is dead wrong.

            Therefore, coming to a decision is virtually impossible. They are completely deadlocked, and no compromise is possible when you completely, totally and utterly disagree.

      • MNIce

        This is not at all a new concern: “I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of youth.” Martin Luther, 1483-1546

        How long has it been since the public schools treated the Bible as anything but “outdated” or only “great literature with some historical significance”? In their efforts to expel Christianity under the guise of “separation of church and state, the public schools have become indoctrination centers for the godless religion of secular humanism (worship of Man), earth worship, or New Age pantheism and its various offshoots.

        The safest way to educate your children is to homeschool or send them to your church school. If you do the latter, you still have the responsibility to monitor their progress and compare what they are learning with the Scriptures.

        • Erik

          I keep a bible on hand in case I need something to blow my nose with, or wipe my backside.

          • CJM

            Ever hear of osmosis, Erik? Better watch out—some of those scriptures just may rub off on you; then you’ll be out of excuses and lame-brained posts like you write on this site.

          • gay AMERICAN DAN

            Erik, u are so wrong about the bible, thank GOD christians are beautiful wonderful people who pray for us all or GOD would have already destroyed AMERICA. Call cnn at 404_827_2600 and raise heck with them about their liberal radical bias, at least leave a comment raiseing hell before they destroy another convervative, tell them we’re gonna call their advertisers, I call CNN EVERYDAY IN ATLANTA AT 404-827-2600 raiseing hell, thank u GOD BLESS U ALL , P.S. ERIK GET A LIFE U FLEABAG, please support HERMAN CAIN

          • Angel Wannabe

            Careful there Eric, John Lennon Mocked God_ and was shot six times, if you don’t believe in God, I’d suggest then you just STHU!_ instead of throwing around your ignorance, nobody cares what you think!

          • Sgt Rock

            Eric: You must be a Mao worshiper, as this practice of using the Bible for Toilet paper is practiced all over Communist China, especialy in their Re-education Center’s! If Obama is successful at Communising our Country maybe he can give you a job, helping us Pitifull Christians, with your Profound bit’s of Secular Humanistic Logic, that is just before Our King Returns in Judgement and Glory and Seperates you from the Living, and allows you and your new found friends to be Eternally Seperate, with Satan and His Demons, in Hell!
            REPENT ERIC! Quit Wiping your Brain, with what You should be Reading!!
            May GOD Bless You with Eternal Truth before Your Dead and it’s TOO LATE!!!!!

          • Mike in MI

            Ok God. I guess you read his post…ERIK’s, that is. Show him that our five limitted, little senses don’t really register everything that happens in this world. Let him taste both sides of the “outside the senses” world around us.
            In the name of Jesus Christ.

          • Sirian

            Erik if you’re so overly intelligent – questionable in reality – why not pick up a copy of “The Naked Communist” by Skousen and read it. It may very well give you a good reflection of your lack of understanding and easily you are being used. Once used, your expendable. Uh oh, sorry, that may be a bit beyond your ability to comprehend.

          • http://naver samurai

            You are a waste of skin E. How can you say such drivil, when that is the book used for the founding of this great country? People like you are what is wrong with this country today. Why don’t you sit down, cross your legs, hold your breath, and fart? It’ll be a mind clearing experience for you. I’m glad there is God, Jesus, and Heaven. They are what is needed to help this country get back to the ways it was founded, a Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JC

            Erik says:
            November 12, 2011 at 2:42 pm
            I keep a bible on hand in case I need something to blow my nose with, or wipe my backside.

            What a completely scumbag thing to say.
            Typical “Classy Liberal”.
            And they want us to see things their way?
            Ok I can see things their way…through the crosshairs.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said JC. I’ve got him in my sites at 3750 meters with my TOW missile. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Bruno Boccagalupe

            Erik,…What a comical post. We all know that with your attitude you don’t blow your nose, or clean your butt. You’re such a mental midget, your nurse has to do it for you.

          • http://naver samurai

            Ha, ha, ha, ha! Very funny Bruno. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • skyraider6

    Lets blame Bush, obama can’t have fleas or can he?

    • MilitaryPatriot

      No, just bed bugs.

      • Mike in MI

        MilitaryPatriot -
        Obama’s bringing worse of everything – try biting cockroaches.

        Hell, he’s a blood sucker himself.

        MP, thanks for the great job you do, Defender.

        • http://naver samurai

          Yes, Obama bin Laden is the biggest blood sucking leach in the world. Many of the progressives, to count Michelle, are a close second. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Bill Lee

    Where are the parents of these juveniles? It would be interesting to do a study on the habits and behaviors of the parents of these baggers. Are they simply a product of our school system then, absent parents, no morals, wards of the state? Is this what the next generation is made up of? Give them all free tickets to go on a foreign exchange program and then don’t allow them back into the country. Hope that they end up in North Korea or Russia or Venezuela and get a real education of what Marxism ends up being.

    • Evermyrtle

      Likely the parents of the majority of these juveniles are juvenile parents. Such a disaster, but so many parents are too glad that children are somewhere besides “under their feet.”

    • Stanley

      GREAT IDEA…It has to be the parents FAULT. Any kids that had been brought up in a decent home with any kind of morals wouldn’t be stooping this low..Plus maybe the should arrest the parents of these flea baggers for child abuse…GREAT IDEA. That way at least the children could have the house to live in until the parents got out of prison for child abuse and then they would have a hard time evicting the children, could take months even years to evict them…Flea baggers have your parents arrested for child abuse..Move back in the house when they go to jail. Hopefully they taught you to take a bath once a year wheather you need it or not.

    • MilitaryPatriot

      The five years old (BOs’ brats) are the by-products of the old hippie generation Research the 60s & 70s and your will find a carbon copy of the same old mind set. Grew up in the 60s & 70s (mid-teens to early twenties) couldn’t stand them back than and can’t stand them now. They just keep living their lives in the past like a broken record.

      • ALL AMERICAN

        Very true… I remember growing up in the 70s. Where is direction? Where is punishment that would have brought these brain dead people up better. You see, they had no direction. They were never punished, only told it was okay.
        Myself??? I am blessed to have parents that beleived in moral direction and punishment for not following the right path. I received many a paddling when growing up, but I deserved it every time. I am a better person for it now.
        Some moral direction and punishment is on its way for the fleakeepers.

    • Karolyn

      OMG! Where have you been hiding? THEY ARE NOT ALL JUVENILES, and many of them are veterans and even older people!

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source showing many of them are veterans or are we to take your word for it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          I jut posted 2 samurai. Scroll up.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes you have. I’ll lokk at them and get back with you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Trish P

        Yes, old hippies from the 60s and 70s.

    • CJM

      Most of the parents raised them better and would be embarrassed to find out their child was at these ‘conferences’ instead of the college they paid for. Quit blaming the parents for their adult children’s poor decisions…as a parent, I can’t police my children once they leave home, whether it’s school or on their own entirely, and you can’t either.

    • kemp

      IF obozo gets another 4yrs we will ALL learn first hand what it’s all about.We will all be in the same boat.

    • Bruno Boccagalupe

      Parents gave up on them. After paying for college fleabaggers moved back home slept till noon wont workparents kicked them out. Fleabaggers want thee & me to take over where the folks left off. Truly a group of mooches. Filthy ones at that!

  • Erika

    Both of you sound like idiots with your heads in the sand! You will choose any chance to blame Obama for what’s going on in the world today. It’s the crybaby republicans who don’t want to work with him and help get this economy back where it belongs. There was a report done on this not too long ago, how rep’s. main goal is to not allow Obama to get re-elected. Damn the American people, they don’t want this man in office. And for those of you dumb enough to support a republican guess what? They don’t care about you, because they’re rich and have the finances to keep their families afloat in this time of crisis. Are they doing anything to help put you back to work, NO!! Get off your soap boxes and do something proactive that will benefit ALL Americans, not just one particular party!!!!!

    • Maureen

      Erika,
      Gee let’s see the republicans want to balance the budget and get rid of the deficit but every time they come up with a suggestion and O turns it down it’s them who are keeping him from succeeding. Can’t have it both ways you obviously believe everything that the lamestream media feeds you. Need to find a new group to pounce on it won’t work with readers like the two people you trashed.

      • Ronbo

        Maureen, we can’t get out of this Depression if the public has no money to spend. The top 1% have amassed half of all the wealth in this nation and they aren’t spending it. As a result, our economy is failing. The politicians, by restricting spending are throwing us deeper into the Depression. No one ever reversed a Depression by cutting spending – as reduced spending is what threw us into the depression in the first place. No business EVER hired a person because spending was down. Only demand for products triggers companys to hire. Reduced spending = reduced demand = reduced hiring = extending the Depression. Use your noggin’ and stop parroting TV nitwits.

        • chris

          Ronbo, Why would the rich want others to be poor? If the rich hold on to the wealth and let no-one else have any, then eventually they will make no more money, because no-one will be able to buy their products. So what you said makes no sense. The rich want others to have more money too, so that others will spend money on their businesses and products.

          • Karolyn

            The rich may not really want everybody to be poor, but what they do want is for everybody else to stay where they are, so they can remain firmly planted on their backs.

          • http://naver samurai

            Nice rhetoric, lies, and innuendo there Karolyn. Do you know this for a fact or is this just your opinion? If the rich people own industries that manufacture products for the consumers to buy, why would they not want the people to have money? If they have no money, they can’t buy anything. If the people can’t buy anything, they make no money. If they make no money, then they will become poor and penniless also. Ergo, everyone would be poor and depending on the government for daily support. Wait a minute! That’s what the libs want! To become a socialist state. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            samurai – I didn’t say they didn’t want anybody to have any money. I just said they want to keep us all in our place.

          • http://naver samurai

            Oh, I don’t know Karolyn. I’m sure ther are wealthy individuals out there that donate money for training the masses for work skills aren’t there? Many of them also donate to charities that help pay hospital bills that the average person cannot afford to pay. If this is keeping us in our place, I would hate to see the other side. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • John_LA

          You are correct that a reduction in spending hampers recovery from a recession, but this applies to the people’s spending not the government’s. Increaing spending (another “Stimulus” plan) was the Obama Jobs and Tax Plan. This “plan” is nothing more than yet another strategy in the larger attempt to drag this country back to the glory days of the socialist Democratic Party – The Great Depression. The Obama tax plan is simply legislation to redistribute wealth and accumulate power in the central government – socialism. With the economy teetering on the brink of a double dip of the Great Recession this is not what the American people want to hear much less experience. We’ve been there, done that, got the t-shirt in the 1930’s. Blow the dust off this nonsense and the yellow stains and odor of the whiz history took on similar legislation in 1932 comes back with a vengeance. Henry Morgenthau Jr., FDR’s treasury secretary wrote in his diary that, “we have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work… We have never made good on our promises… I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started… and an enormous debt to boot!” The top income tax bracket zoomed from 24% in 1932 to 90% by the end of 1933. In short the New Deal was not simply a dismal failure, but exacerbated a bad economic down-turn into The Great Depression and prevented recovery until WWII. The WPA was rife with corruption and inefficiency, destroyed half as many jobs in the private sector as it created in the public sector, and simply destroyed many private sector employers. These are the models of the Obama tax and job plans! If you have no original worthwhile ideas of your own, at least copy ideas of those who were successful, like Ronald Reagan. His tax plan was to cut taxes, reduce the size and burden of government. It was so successful a jobs plan wasn’t needed. Starting WWIII is not an option I hope you will consider, though it shows more promise than the Obama plans.

          • Marty S.

            Don’t worry about WWIII. Im sure they have a plan for that after all how else do they really make head way in the population reduction department?

        • Mike in MI

          Ronbo -
          Your post is all Keynsian sludge – which, incidently, he mostly repudiated (resulting in his fall to disfavor on the left) when he was older and wiser. But, lefties in academe’ still teach it because they like to wallow in sludge and want you to like it, too…and feel intellectual.
          The worst part is they never include the part about what happens to a dollar the government takes away for its great works. It works kinda like this (oversimplified): The government takes a dollar of somebody’s profit, or need in some cases – they don’t care. Anyway, they take the dollar and give back $.25 to the people who paid for their campaigns. Then they pass out $.40 to pay for entitlements and social programs which are mostly used on consumables with little payback. About $.20 goes to DoD and a nickel disappears somwhere in washington bars, alleys and pockets. Next they pass the left-overs through up to eight administraters which costs about $.01 per hand. That leaves about $.02 to return to the states for necessary programs.
          Knowing nobody is going to like so little being spent on needful projects they borrow about $.15 in order to be able to argue about how to spend it and look busy – $.05 of this too disappears in Washington bars, alleys and pockets. (Lately, The Fed has taken to just printing money while charging the government for printing. But, no one knows how much).
          So, there’s lots of money getting out to many different hands and ending up being spent – by somebody – somewhere. It isn’t a problem of money being in somebody’s hand in the “public shpere”. Is it???
          Or, is it? Where’d it all go? Bush with TARP? Obama with all his spending should have resulted in a huge economic jump…it didn’t.
          Why not? Bankers can’t have it all.
          kWhy weren’t there records kept about where it went? Who’s accountable for it?
          And YOU want more and BIGGER government? What a sucker.

        • Average Joe

          Earth to Ronbo…Earth to Ronbo….
          It’s time for your re-entry to earth. Please place your tray in the upright position, extinguish all “smoking” materials and pay close attention to your landing intructions provided in the link below.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8LKII_MNA

          We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem.
          Douglas Adams

        • Alex Frazier

          Ronbo, that’s the most intelligent argument I’ve seen in a long time, albeit not ENTIRELY correct.

          First and foremost, money isn’t wealth. Money is a medium of exchange, and hoarding it doesn’t make you wealthy.

          If you take the idea of three men, each with a product to offer, one with an apple, one with an orange, and one with a lemon, then we have the means for trade. The apple man visits the orange man and offers to barter. The orange man is happy to give his orange, but he doesn’t really want an apple, so the apple man gives him a token that represents the value of one apple. The orange man then takes the token given to him and visits the man with the lemon, and he uses the token with the value of one apple to trade for the lemon. The lemon man, in turn, takes the token and trades it to the apple man for the original apple, or apple value, traded for the orange.

          In the terms of a barter, money isn’t necessary. A negotiation could have been reached instead. The apple man could have said to the orange man, “well, if you would prefer a lemon, give me the orange now. I will trade my apple to the man with the lemon and return the lemon to you when I conclude that transaction.”
          What the money does, in reality, is facilitate a barter that is complicated by distance, time, incompatibility of wants, etc. But it isn’t NECESSARY. It’s just a convenience. And if you take away all the lemons, oranges, and apples, the token wouldn’t be worth anything at all. If the apple and orange guy were unwilling to accept the token, then to the lemon guy, the token isn’t worth anything at all. If the guy who got the token finds a way to reproduce the token multiple times over, their cumulative worth can never exceed that of the products available.

          The real wealth is the apple, the orange, and the lemon. Money is nothing. It just facilitates complicated barters.

          This, of course, is a very finite example to explain the principle. However, the principle remains unchanged even when you add in inflation, larger quantities of money, hundreds of products, loans, interest, etc. It’s just more difficult to follow the path the money takes.

          Second, it is a fact that the Great Depression was put to an end by a federal budget cut of 60% and a tax cut of 30%.

          Third, it is not the hoarding of money that is causing our recession. We do not have a depression as of yet. In a depression, the price of everything falls. Prices, in other words, are “depressed.” Businesses make less on what they sell, are forced to lay people off, and eventually close their doors when their revenue can’t meet their obligations. Depressions result from easy credit and suppressed interest rates. The bubble caused by these factors inflates everything beyond their reasonable scope, and when the bubble bursts, things like the depression are the result as prices, wages, etc. try to correct themselves.

          Our Great Depression was the result of loose monetary policy, much like the housing bubble in our own day. People were investing in the stock market. Loans were easy, so they used borrowed funds. They traded on margin, meaning that they didn’t buy stocks 100%, but put down a minimum amount, or percentage, of the stock’s value at the time they purchased it. This is the margin.
          When the Federal Reserve, for reasons that vary by opinion, raised interest rates, borrowing stopped. There was a dip in the market. The dip triggered a panic and the dip got worse. It stabilized for about a month or so while those heavily invested tried to straighten out the mess. Then the margin requirements were raised. Between the loss in value and the increased margin requirements, many investors were forced to sell their holdings in order to cover loses. The liquidation made the dip worse. Then the panic set in fully, there was a mass sell off as people tried to preserve SOMETHING in the midst of the downswing.

          The result of it all was the crash of ’29.

          With people in a situation where they had less money available, and with industry outshadowing agriculture (making money necessary to acquire products and services since they had only labor to trade, and not products), people saved what they could. They bought the best deals they could find. Businesses couldn’t sell their wares. Prices started to drop. People still weren’t spending, because they didn’t have much to spend in the first place. Prices dropped some more. Businesses couldn’t make payroll because they weren’t bringing in the revenue, so people lost their jobs. The spending, as a result, dropped still more. Prices were lowered again. Businesses started going out of business. And so on the story goes.

          So a depression isn’t caused by the investors hoarding their money or by a lack of government spending. Depressions are caused by a lack of consumer captial, caused by the low and middle class being robbed of the value and remuneration of their earnings through inflation, government intervention, and bad monetary policies.

          That’s why they keep up with the stimulus packages and quantitative easing. They are trying to keep the money machine alive. They are trying to put money into the hands of the people, since it would seem that a lack of consumer spending is the problem. But all it’s doing is causing sticky wages and sticky prices, and it’s doing it at the expense of the tax payers who have to fund these programs in the first place. Therefore, it is doing the exact opposite of what is needed. To fix this recession, it is unfortunately necessary that we first have a depression in order to allow the market to naturally correct the inflation and bring products, services, and capital back into near equilibrium.

          The average citizen needs more of his real earnings in his pocket to spend in his local economy at a fair, free, and market determined price. Instead, the government is printing money, which makes what little he has worth less. This translates into fewer products purchased at higher prices and more saving “for a rainy day,” since we can’t be careless with what little we have, and we know it will only go so far. The government is also trying like crazy to raise taxes to cover all the new programs, which is just a transfer of funds from one man to another. These taxes likewise reduce his earnings, resulting in lesser spending.

          In short, they are doing exactly what they did in the 30s and 40s, and it isn’t going to work now any more than it did then.

          So don’t blame the 1/10th of the 1% of the 1%. The problem is that we aren’t getting fair compensation for our labor relative to the cost of goods in the market place, which are inflated because of government monetary policy and interference. Our spending has been restricted by our own selves because we all see how dear things are beginning to cost, and because none of us is sure what’s coming next.

          Similarly, don’t blame the proposed measures by some members of congress to restrict government spending. Governments don’t have money. They only have what they borrow, or what they take from us. And their spending just exacerbates the problem.

          This topic is very complicated. Your answer isn’t far off, but there’s much more to it than what you’ve said. And government spending has nothing to do with the solution.

        • granny mae

          Ronbo,
          Rethink your ideas please. You can’t spend your way into prosparity the same way you can’t borrow your way out of debt. Obama is doing his best to borrow us into a hole we can never get out of. Having owned a business before I can tell you this, if you don’t make a profit, you cannot expand your business, which inturn creats jobs, which in turn brings in more money so you can expand your business so you can hire more employees. You must be able to sell your product or service, to make a profit, to expand to hire more and it just goes on from there. If in the meantime you make enough to put some money in the bank to save for what you want so be it. The business owner does not have to share everything he makes with all of his employees. He pays them for their work but when it comes to the business, it is the business owner that takes all the chances and all the risks, so if he gets rich over the years why should you or anyone else condem him? You go out and start a business and you take al the chances and you get rich over time and I will guarentee that you will see things differently. If you can’t find a job right now perhapes it is time for you to look to a different venue and get some training in something else, instead of blaming everything on the rich. Our situation in this country is a lot more complexed than that !

          • http://naver samurai

            Great answer, but I’m affraid he lacks the capacity to understand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        NeoCons are GREAT at talking the talk – on & on – when they had the trifecta they did exactly NOTHING – allowed war crimes and false pretexts for militancy to go unchecked

        “Let no one deceive you with MT words for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those that are disobedient” Eph 5:6

        • jerry sweet

          have you even studied the bible? i guess not!

          • Karolyn

            And?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Mark Dabney…. and what has your Liberal Pack of lying Wolves done to benefit the US, thus far while they had control___particularly?__Besides the further destruction of the US__I gotta lol on that one!!! :)

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually, it says: “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” Hasn’t the lib, gay loving, baby killing marxists and Obama bin Laden been talking to us with vain words? Couldn’t this country be getting punished by God due to the ways our country has been backsliding? Couldn’t Obama bin Laden be a curse on our country from God to get us to wake up and get back to the Christian values and founding we were based on? Couldn’t this also be a wake up call for us to get back to God and accept Jesus as our personal savior? Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            So true samurai, for years we’ve told God to get out of our schools, our public buildings, and out lives, maybe this time he listened….and you can see by the state of our affairs, JUST HOW WELL MAN RUNS THINGS, RIGHT INTO THE GROUND!!!!__I for one would welcome GOD back with open arms, we need HIM now more than ever!

          • http://naver samurai

            Very true! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • granny mae

            You are right on samurai ! I agree !

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you Granny Mae. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • JJR

        I think, therefore I vote Republican, even though I support a family on less than $22,000 a year, Hardly rich. Matter of fact, I have alot of Republican friends, none of whom are rich. Just smart.

        • granny mae

          JJR,
          As you well know you are not alone. I am far from rich but we get by.

          • usmadgirl

            JJR & Granny Mae,

            I don’t know ANY rich Republicans. Some of my relatives were “comfortable” because of their education & decent choices they made but most struggled like I do. I get sick of hearing about the rich Republicans in Congress when there are more wealthy Dumbocraps! Also, Republicans are more charitable than the Dumbocraps.

            Tinwarble (who used to post on this site but got tired of beating dead “donkeys”) & I have NEVER made TOGETHER as much as the average income for ONE PERSON & we work 12-20 hours per day at least 6 days per week. That’s because in my business, there is only so much we can do in one day & we are paid a specific amount per order regardless of how long it takes to complete & we have a 24-48 hour deadline to do our work for several large companies. Since our business depends on the real estate market, it has always been like a roller coaster…feast or famine & our field is so competitive that we can’t raise our fees. If we do, our customers will just find another sucker who’s trying to survive!

            EVERYTHING except our fees is increasing. Everything we buy, all of our office supplies, business services & expenses, land line for our fax, our food, gas, utilities etc. has doubled since O’Dumbo took office; so we’re spending twice as much on less income because our business has decreased. Some of our customers have closed & some idiots have outsourced their business to India & Pakistan! Don’t even get me started on that can of worms…thank you, Bank of America! So JJR, we’re right there with you!

            God Bless You & God Bless This Country!

    • R

      Fool.

      • jerry sweet

        be more specific on the word fool,fleas or tea’s

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Dems, we know your thoughts time after time. It’s a broken record, like a gnat in your ear or a biting flea. Of all places, you’re trying to disturb good people in a Conservative site. Just like fleas, to jump into a place where they are not welcome and start biting, just like all the Communis-Pinko-Islamo-Fascist B.S. GO PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND ELSEWHERE.

    • Tompro97

      Boy, you really got into the Kool-Aide, didn’t you girl??!!! Your tirade is just a reflection of all that is wrong with you and your peeps today. Gimme, Gimme, Gimme is all you and your ilk know how to say. We are dealing with the most corrupt regime in the history of this country, and you want us to make nice while we are trying to save the country from the Osama Marxist onslaught. Forget it!!!

      • Ronbo

        Alex it is YOU who drink the kool-aid. We need jobs. Who hires because of reduced spending? No one. Reducing government spending throws us deeper into this Depression. History and knowledge are important.

        The Republicans ARE actively stalling the economy. Who is it that opposed the bill providing tax breaks for hiring veterans? A: the Republicans in the House. That is heartless. Those veterans risked their lives and health for our nation; they deserve jobs, not political stunts.

        • s c

          r [aka 'Einstein'], I’d LOVE to get you on a lie detector for 5 minutes. I’d have you pissing all over yourself and puking in less than 3 of those 5 minutes, bubba.
          The ONE way you have really characterized yourself on this website so far is your utter LACK of HISTORY and KNOWLEDGE. If ANYONE on this website specializes in squawking like a retarded parrot, IT”S YOU! If you’ve ever had an independent, researched opinion in your utopian life, you never brought it with you to this website, comrade. Whiz off, schmuck. Did you ever get your sorry arse out of the 8th grade?

          • Ronbo

            I’d love to see you try to operate a lie detector. You can’t even get your tinker toys to connect!

            And do lie detectors cause people to cry? You need to think more and spew less.

          • eddie47d

            All SC does is Slash and Burn without binging anything to the table.It must make her feel good to wear that Mickey Mouse paid troll pin everyday.She thinks it gives her leadership quality and a Captain of her own army. Too bad she never brings up any facts or figures to back up her slop from the animal farm as she comes to work here everyday. She’s always claiming that her opinion walks on water and that she is the second coming. We hate to break her delusional button for I wouldn’t want her to sink and drown on her ego. Sometimes we just have to put up with her wanting this continuous 15 minutes of fame!

          • http://naver samurai

            First, Ronbo I suggest you take some of you own advice, butthead. Second, sheesh ed-duh, who are you to claim someone posts no facts or sources when you, yourself, fail to do the same thing? Aren’t we being hypocritical? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Elizabeth

          Ronbo, I’m just a poor old Grandma but I understand what is meant by decreased spending. That would be decreased GOVERNMENT spending. We have far too many agencies creating far too many restrictions on people who make jobs! Do you know a little girl had to give up her lemonaide stand because she didn’t have a permit? Do you know people can’t sell vegetables from their garden unless they pay the government for inspection and permits? I could go on and on. Freedom used to mean that I was free to buy lemonaide from the neighbor kid and vegetables from my neighbor—I choose to take the chance that they might poison me or whatever. Half of the departments in D.C. could disappear and look out—-PEOPLE could invest their money, create jobs and pay people to work.

          • granny mae

            Elizabeth,
            You are so right. We have restricted and limited licensed ourselves right out of business ! And still you will hear someone always say, they ought to make a law against that !!! You have hit the nail right on the head ! from one grandma to another !

        • JC

          Ronbo says:
          November 12, 2011 at 8:32 am
          Alex it is YOU who drink the kool-aid. We need jobs. Who hires because of reduced spending? No one. Reducing government spending throws us deeper into this Depression. History and knowledge are important.

          History and Knowlege? You mean like the way the Soviet Union and it’s Government driven command economy collapsed? Obviously you don’t get that Government spending is the source of our problems…not the cure.
          Government doesn’t have anything to spend that it didn’t STEAL in the first place. Here again we have an ideologically driven…moron.

          • Mike in MI

            Right, JC -
            Russia and its Eastern Bloc empire imploded even though we were pouring $Millions and Millions (back when a million was worth a $BILLION) into the whole blood sucking enterprise. One of the most powerful things President Reagan did was just turn off our charity spigot. Then the socialist system swallowed its own tongue and choked on itself – just like Obama is choking this economy.
            Of course, isn’t it interesting how quickly their system came to life when the freeloading, fleabagging Communist utopian paradise ate itself up from within. But, Rambeaux never was allowed to learn any of that in the intellectual desert where he was taught.

          • JC

            Mike these guys are driven by emotion and an ideology that they are just plain too stupid to accurately explain and have no concept of the consequences of their own stupidity. A pathetic and sad group of morons really.

          • Mike in MI

            Hey JC -
            Thanks for the toot back. I’ve been thinkng about your response here. You talked about hem not being able to explain their ideology very well.
            I have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible to explain or elucidate a lie. You can use facts to refer to what you’e talking about and they seem to bolster one’s position, often. But, in fact most of their liberal “thinking” is like Eric Holder’s answers to Congress’ hearings last week re “Fast and Furious”.
            There was a central lie which he attempted to cover over with half truths and some facts.
            Ronbo is like that and other libs on this site. Their central thesis is a lie. But they construct a scaffold of facts and a facade of hopes, illegitimate social paradigms and assumptions around it thinking to conceal what’s at the heart. Principles, hard living-lessons and the wisdom of the ages they’ll have no truck with.
            Well, I guess one can get away with that in academe’, working for government or doing anything where real accountability, meeting goals, resourcefulness and experimental successes are not tracked.

            Have a good week.

          • JC

            That’s a pretty good analogy Mike.
            Be Well

        • rollin

          Ronbo…..may I recommend Economics in One Lesson to correct some of your big government thinking?

        • jerry sweet

          hey iam a vet and i agree we owe them something.but you cant give what you dont got REAL MONEY.get a life

        • JJR

          “Those veterans risked their lives and health for our nation; they deserve jobs, not political stunts”. That, my dear, is why we want better than the temporary do-Nothing-except-rhetoric stuntS.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Rondo you twit, “Republicans aren’t actively stalling anything” you simple Liberal B*stards still have the main control and in like history before are making matters worse..Socialism doesn’t work!!!!!__Like everyone says on here__time to make that popping sound!___POP!!! :)

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said, fellow patriot! I’m glad someone else here thinks their heads are firmly planted up their backsides. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://deleted Claire

          I agree, there is stalling and it is all for political gain. How much does anyone want to bet–if a Republican is elected POTUS–see how fast the tables will turn and they will pass almost the same identical legislation on jobs that is trying to get accomplished now. I am fed up with the entire lot of these miserable self-gratifying monsters that are in office. It is a disgusting situation.

      • Karolyn

        Tom said “We are dealing with the most corrupt regime in the history of this country,” Uh, read a little history, dude. It’s always been corrupt in some way.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sheesh Karolyn. Why don’t you show us where Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc were all corrupt? Care to cite a source on this or are we just talking out our arse again, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Dennis48e

          I believe that is why he said MOST corrupt.

        • granny mae

          Karolyn,

          Anytime you get politicians out of Chicago, you got corruption! It’s been that way for years and doesn’t look like it will change anytime soon. Can you say mofia ! I laugh because the majority of the country knows this, but some just close their eyes !

    • Alex

      You are correct for the most part, Erika, but it was more than a “report” in which the Rethuglicans pledged that, rather than help suffering American families, they would allow things to so deteriorate that President Barack Hussein Obama would be booted after a single term.

      Senate leader and Geriatric Mutant Ninja Turtle Mitch McConnell was perhaps most vociferous of the Fright Wingers in stating his sole goal was to limit Obama to one term, the public be damned. Eric Cantor, John Boner, Michelle Bachman, prominent amongst the crowd have all made clear that they would rather watch the country collapse so that they could appeal to the hurting voters in 2012.

      HAA!! Talk about egg on your face! After three years of absolute non-cooperation—something NO OTHER President has EVER faced—the dumb GOP is back-peddling frantically. They allowed things to gett TOO BAD, and now Obama, as poor of a first term as he has turned in, has his numbers heading up, while the Klown Kar that is the GOP roster continues to make their own people cringe while providing the rest of us, the intelligent and the reasonable, with belly laughs!

      • Realist

        Alex! You are partially correct about the Republicans letting things go too far. Do you recall when President took office, he has a super-majority in both the house and the senate. During those TWO YEARS
        his administration and the democratically controlled congress and Senate did nothing to fulfill his campaign promises. So far, gays in the military and a small token scale-down in Iraq. That, along with a recklessly laid out universal health care plan really sucks for a record of a president who claims to care for the country. Your defense of this Illegally elected tyrant did nothing to improve conditions that the Zionists continue to do to kill our sovereignty and our liberty. Money Bomb time! If you want to improve conditions in this country, get behind the money bomb! ‘Nuff said!

      • lcpossum

        Have y’all ever noticed that conservatives try to discuss issues and liberals simply resort to name-calling?

        • eddie47d

          SC proves you wrong every day! LOL

        • Ashley

          Really?Only the Democrats name call?I’ve seen no discussions here, only name calling and arguing….These people are saying horrible things to each other for NO reason, its a difference in Opinion but for some unless it’s theirs they become very hateful…Not very Christian-like if you ask me…..

          • http://naver samurai

            It is true that both sides are name calling, but it is the conservatives and Tea Party that want us to get back to our Christian founding. The libs want us to be something like from The Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. Remember also, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ashley

            We were not founded on Christianity Samauri…If we were there would be no Amendment that said freedom of Religion..And just so I have this straight, since the “Libs” don’t think like the Conservatives or the Tea Party it’s ok that they’re saying these horrible things?Religion has NO business in Government.PERIOD.END OF STORY.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Ashley. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, Biblical law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments, our laws based on the 10 Commandments (If you don’t know that one, then you know nothing about our founding.), and a deep, rich belief in nature and nature’s God.

            “It is impossible to rightly govern without God and the Bible.”

            George Washington.

            “In the presence of the most Holy undivided Trinity…”

            Treaty of Paris 1783

            There are so many others, but so little time to tell a disbeliever or false believer, so look at these site and have your mind awakened:

            http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/a-christian-nation/
            http://www.wallbuilders.com

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            You can also look at:

            http://www.keepgodinamerica.com

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Ashley are you going to answer me? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ashley

            Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
            -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
            Although Jefferson believed in a Creator,his concept was more of the God of Deism,Nature’s God.He rejected the superstitions and mysticisms of Christianity and even edited the Gospels leaving only what he believed was the correct moral philosphy of Jesus.Christians see God on things as if this was some proof of their Christianity but its not.They seem to completely forget that God can have many definitions ranging from nature to supernatural.As a matter of fact the quote on his memorial in DC that has God in it is actually aimed at attacking the tyranny of the Christian Clergy of Philadelphia.

          • Ashley

            BTW I don’t know why you keep quoting me the same thing…I haven’t judged anyone….If you’ve read the few comments I’ve posted I haven’t judged, name called, brought anyone down nothing….I’ve just stated my observations….which in my opinion, is how you should behave as an adult.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Ashly_ and you liberals come here and start with the Wah, Wah, Wahs about name calling, more Political Correct BS___your only trying to hijack the true nature of the debate with it, and we regulars here don’t buy it!!!! If you don’t like name calling or can’t handle heated PASSIONATE debating, then feel free NOT to participate in a Conservative Blog, if your have Liberal tendancies, WHAT YOU SEE, IS WHAT YOU GET!!! ;)

          • Ashley

            You guys arent being passionate your being rude!Everyone, including the Liberals on the blog are doing exactly what you’re not supposed to do according to the blog rules stated above in regards to commenting…I’m assuming the filtering doesn’t work…..And you can’t tell me to get off a blog, I, unlike most read and gather information from BOTH sides so I’m fully prepared for any voting, discussions, etc….I have no interest in following only the party people perceive me to be in.You know nothing about me and cannot assume im a liberal b/c i don’t think its morally right to behave as some of you are.I would never attack someone for what they believe in, i haven’t done it here, or anywhere for that matter.I would never say my way of thinking is correct and thats that….That’d make me a Bigot…And unfortunately, there’s alot of that going on in here…

          • Ashley

            And as far as whining about name calling, my original comment was in regards to a lady that posted something about having a discussion and all the liberals do is name call…And all i said was in a nutshell that’s a bunch of BS b/c I’ve read every comment on here and everyone’s doing it….

          • Angel Wannabe

            Ashley, Darlin, A Revolution created this fine Republic of ours, blood was shed by our Ancestors & Patriots to have it, Ben Franklin said, “Its a Republic if you can keep it”__I would expect that a Revolution was a hell-of-a-lot worse, than a little bit of name calling on a blog, in a free speech society!_ We are trying to keep our Republic and debating helps!_ Because, You can bet your azz that ALOT of our leaders in DC, have staff that comb these blogs, both right and left, getting a feel of the American people’s sentiments about where the country is headed.__and your worried about a little name calling, puh-leese…..just sayin…Have good night! :)

          • http://naver samurai

            Ashley, you are still wrong! Show me anywhere in the Constitution that says separation of church and state. It isn’t there. Bzzzzz you lose on that one. Second, don’t forget this one:

            “In the presence of the most Holy, undivided Trinity…”

            Treaty of Paris 1783

            This shows that our country believes in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Or how about this one:

            “The United States in Congress assembled…recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States…a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

            United States Congress 1782

            Or how about this one:

            “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

            John Adams

            Or how about this last one:

            “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation.”

            U.S. Supreme Court decision of the Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States, 1892.

            How about on the Washington Monument?

            “Holiness to the Lord.”
            Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zachariah 14:20

            “Search the Scriptures.”
            John 5:39

            “The memory of the just is blessed.”
            Proverbs 10:7

            “May Heaven to this Union continue its beneficence.”

            “In God We Trust.”

            “Praise be to God.” (Engraved on the monument’s capstone in Latin as “Laus Deo.”)

            All of these are on the Washington Monument. I guess your arguement falls flat on its face. You say freedom of religion. What they wanted was a nation that you can freely worship God in any way the people saw fit. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Ashley

            In God We Trust wasn’t put on anything until 1954…In the Constitution it says:Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
            Are you saying that the above amendment is not saying there should be no seperation?
            When the Constitution was submitted to the American public, “many pious people” complained that the document had slighted God, for it contained “no recognition of his mercies to us . . . or even of his existence.” The Constitution was reticent about religion for two reasons: first, many delegates were committed federalists, who believed that the power to legislate on religion, if it existed at all, lay within the domain of the state, not the national, governments; second, the delegates believed that it would be a tactical mistake to introduce such a politically controversial issue as religion into the Constitution. The only “religious clause” in the document–the proscription of religious tests as qualifications for federal office in Article Six–was intended to defuse controversy by disarming potential critics who might claim religious discrimination in eligibility for public office.
            “As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
            – John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

          • Angel Wannabe

            Ashley your words”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”

            Do you actually understand what that phrase means?__What it means that America doesn’t SUPPORT OR have a STATE CHURCH SUCH AS ENGLAND DOES. That’s what wrong with this Country today, perception!!! and the ability to read and to interpet the Constitution properly.

            And just for the record there is NO LAW SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE CONSTITUTION

            http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=100766#Church and State

          • http://naver samurai

            Good post and good site, Angel. I look at that site very often. Ashley, it may not have been added to our paper money till 1954, but it was put on our coins during the Civil War. They took so many requests for it in 1861 that by 1864 “In God We Trust” was seen on many of our coins. Here is the site to look for it:

            http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/a-christian-nation

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Aunt Jane

        WHO is crashing the economy so that he can “fundamentally transform America?” There is some new kind of mental illness that causes some kind of delusional thinking among progressives!!! Good Grief!

        • msbets

          you are correct aunt jane…………and this is the kind of scum this *%^$^%% so and so in our oval office is behind!!!nothing but drug induced, rapist mindless pithetic devious cretins.

    • Evermyrtle

      We don’t have to look for reasons to blame Obam, there are hundreds of reasons just staring us in the face. We sincerely wish there was nothing to blame him with. We only only want a Christian, America loving president, that is all we ask for.The rest would follow naturally.

      • Alex

        Christians are as horrible as the next…..
        They’re nothing special just buy being Christian.
        Christians, like every other group, are made up of saints and sinners, wonderful doctors and deplorable murderers, bankers, drug addicts, pedophiles, and nurses. Well, if you count catholics in with Christians the pedophile count goes up, huh?
        God holds no special place for Christians, but loves truly anyone of any faith or of no faith at all.

        • jerry sweet

          so called christians have blown off they’re own feet,but a true follower and deciple of JESUS CHRIST does not act the way so-called christians do.as for God just loves everybody no matter what faith,if i remember my bible CHRIST hung on that cross so filthy people like me and you could be saved from a fiery eternal damnation.but it seems by your own words thats the place you will reside in.oh by the way all the pedophiles,murderers.rapists,lying presidents will be sent there.you will not be alone.repent Jesus is coming back and YOU will bow before him!!

        • Mike in MI

          Alex – You’re right!
          God does love every one, no matter what faith or what they believe and live. You can look around you and see how well everybody believing and doing whatever they want works out. It is predictable that sooner or later man’s selfish nature and most of them doing ??.. whatever..??? would get pretty ugly – especially with a few billion all vying for the same things. Unless they do things His way it is impossible for it to not become a mess.
          So, He gave us a set of instructions which says, “Here, if you want to do things right and workably with my help do these things.” Most people say, “No way. Those stupid rules don’t fit my style; I don’t see why I should be subject to what you – or anybody else – wants. So, shove it. You have no right to boss me or judge me… even if you are God.”
          So, God figured, “OK. I’ll just keep records. When it all gets to world-wide chaos and they’re going to ruin MY world I’ll just hold court on everybody who has ever lived. Those who have proved they want to do it MY Way I’ll let stay around forever. Those who don’t… well, I gave ‘em a chance. They don’t want to do things the way it has to be for everything to go well for everybody. So, they’re outa’ here. Either they believe MY Word by doing it to the level My son did or at LEAST believe I raised him from the dead and let him be their supervisor/boss. If not, forget them.”
          He loves them enough to give them a chance – even though they maybe don’t deserve it. But, this mess can’t continue forever.

          • granny mae

            Mike in MI.

            Amen !

        • Evermyrtle

          alex, as is the norm, Real Christians are getting the blame for every dirty deed that is done by people who call themselves Christian, those who really do not know what it take to make Christian. People who believe that CHRIST was a real person calls themselves Christian. But maybe you did not know that Satan could call himself Christian, too if that was the only requirement. Satan knows very well who CHRIST IS. Therefore we may relate Christians who are doing evil things with Satan, not CHRIST. True Christians will never deliberately do anything to dishonor JESUS CHRIST, such as in lying, stealing, harming anybody else in any way, we would never do anything to harm our country. We believe in first of all, proclaiming JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND STRIVE TO LIVE AS WE KNOW HE WOULD HAVE US TO LIVE.

        • http://naver samurai

          He does love them and Jesus loves them, but a non-Christian wil be told we love you, but then you will be thrown into the firey furnace. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Jurgy

      THANK GOD the Republicans ARE resisting anything Obama and that it is their main mission to defeat Obama at any cost! This is the best thing they can do for America and the economy. Obama is inexperienced and incompetent. He used any means possible to get elected – the Republicans will use any means possible to force him out.

      • eddie47d

        The Republicans don’t have much of a reputation anymore to gloat about. With a sickening low approval rating in Congress (yes lower than Democrats). Are you sure you want to use “any means” to further erode the mess you got us into? How about a novel idea of doing what is right to get America back on it’s feet instead of this continuous dog and pony show? If you can’t take responsibility for your share of the problems how can the public differentiate between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party?

        • Mike in MI

          eddie47d – “…how can they differentiate between…”
          For the most part they can’t differentiate. Most of the Repubs and Dems went to the same brain rotting university systems as the members of the other party. So, one skull is all stuffed with the same sort of sludge as the other. They live in an environment advertizing hundreds of sludge signals per hour which few of them ever recieved any sort of countervailing, interlocking, coherent standards to countermand.
          Ergo, their minds are constantly filled with the sort of low ideals and philosophies which are ultimately represented by the demands and behaviors evident in the “Occupy …” low-lifes.
          If you agree with those demands, etc. there isn’t much separating you from the “Occupiers” and all they reveal about what the left looks like in its “human” products.
          Obama’s present haunts would be the same, except servants sanitize what he defiles.

    • Harry S.

      Erika, you;ve been brainwashed by Obama, the Dems, and the liberal/commie press. Wake up before it’s too late.

    • JC

      Erika says:
      November 12, 2011 at 7:56 am
      Both of you sound like idiots with your heads in the sand! You will choose any chance to blame Obama for what’s going on in the world today. It’s the crybaby republicans who don’t want to work with him and help get this economy back where it belongs.

      Back where it belongs? What?
      You mean back to communism? Because that’s where the Kenyan Imposter is trying to take us.
      Little history lesson for you…this country has shed a lot of blood to fight communism and it looks like we may have to do it again…soon.

    • MilitaryPatriot

      Erika, spoken like a true Marxist, cool-aid drinking Obama momma, brained washed dumb masses. I am 62 year old female, Vietnam Vet, who has seen Communism, and Marxist verbal flap up close for years; from the Bushes down to the current Anti-Christ in the white wood shed. My suggestion to you, my dear. Grow up, pack your bags & pick one of the following commie countries: Russia, China, Cuba, N.Korea, any one of the Middle Eastern countries (Muslim men would like you, because they like to control their woman’s thinking, just like BO.)Call me and I will drive you to the airport and be sure to leave your U.S citizenship at the boarding gate. Be sure to write home, and let us know how your rose colored, hippie life is coming along. And no you can’t take your cell phone or mommies credit card to live on.

      • eddie47d

        You’re all too negative to deserve Ronald Reagan’s shining city on the hill. Remember that Communism hasn’t been accepted in America for several generations. Only a few even toy with the idea and they are difficult to find. We have some on this site who make a false attempt to accuse 80 members of Congress of being Red. That in its self makes those folks who say so delusional and desperate in a search for enemies. So why do some of you keep pulling that unproven slander out of your bag of tricks? You all sound like a bunch of old John Birchers looking for a second coming of fear mongering.Communism was indeed a serious issue back in the 50′s and now it is barely on life support. Instead of fixing what is wrong with Capitalism and making it stronger(your doing a lousy job of it). You parade the commie card around like it has relevancy and somehow that will fix our present problems. You use this duck and cover routine because if you really had solutions they would be at the forefront. You wouldn’t be using all these false flag attacks(excuses)if that wasn’t true.

        • JC

          You’re not a very good propogandist eddie…back to Alinsky school for you.

        • eddie47d

          At least I exposed your “duck and cover” routine and you play it well on occasion along with a few others. Bring forth your positive ideas or the commie name calling will get you no where and you will come across as the kooks.

          • JC

            More Alinsky crap and still not very good at it.

          • eddie47d

            I forgot you are the one and only.

          • JC

            Child

        • http://naver samurai

          Oh you mean like you libtars calling someone a racist because they didn’t vote for Obama bin Laden? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Rick

        You forgot to tell her to be careful about what she writes in those letters because the censors will read them first. Thanks for youyr servicer in “Nam” I was there too. ’70-71, 72-73 1st ID then 4th ID.

        • Rick

          Oops got typing to fast should have been “your” and “service.”

      • Karolyn

        Your being a vet does not justify telling people to leave THEIR country just because they don’t agree with YOU!

        • Angel Wannabe

          and your rolling over Karolyn, and assuming the the submissive position while choosing to look through the world in rose colored glasses, don’t make you any more American either!

          • JeffH

            :)

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn’s convoy just took a direct hit. She has smoke coming out her backside. Ha, ha, ha, ha! Good job, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jeffh and Samurai___ROFLMAO!!!! ;)

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry about my unprofessional language, but I had to say it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • cheryl lynn

      Government doesn’t produce any thing they only take from those of us who work and give to those who do not. Private businesses and corporation are the one who produce job. They are being strangled by over regulation and government interference. More spending by the government will never move this country out of this depression, only less government. Our children and grandchildren will be saddled with this Government debt. Sorry you were brain washed by the dumb down of our educational system and the liberal press.

      • eddie47d

        I fail to see where the Conservative press is doing much good either Cheryl. They only say what Republicans want to hear and leave out the whole truth. That also have a dizzy array of spin masters telling you what is right (at least accordingly to them).

        • Lee

          Hey eddie and everyone else, news flash, the main stream media lies to everybody, you included. Almost all politicians are professional deceivers, they have violated their Constitutional oath and deserve to die a traitors death, they are unworthy of the urine expended if they were on fire, that goes double for the Kenyan pretender in chief!!!

          The problem is government in general, not this side or that side but the whole rotten decaying thing. Untill everyone gets over this party driven, conservative or progessive, Dem or Repub, commie traitor BS, my side is better lunacy, there will never be an end, you are all puppets and are being played for a fool and by allowing yourself to be labeled, even clinging to and identifying with said label, you are participating in your own foolishness and ignorance therby assisting in the destruction of this once great nation.

          As for the political crowd, there are only two sides to that coin, either you are an inside the beltway, District of Criminals traitor or you are a Constitution respecting true American. There is no longer room for in between party driven BS. It’s all or nothin, life or death for the USA.

          • Mike in MI

            Lee – Hit IT fast. Hit IT quick! Left in the solar plexus! Then, right hook to the ear. PHHLUMPHTH_ _ _ _

    • JUKEBOX

      Erika, if you look under the bridges in Atlanta on any day of the week, you will see thousands of these miscreants living there, and this has been going on for over ten years. They are just being a larger group of mooches today in a different location.

    • mike wilson

      ERIKA, ERIKA OF COURSE YOU CAN SEE NO FAULT WITH THE CHOOSEN ONE. HE IS THE MESSIAH. I LOVE HIM ALSO. I WOULD RE-ELECT HIM OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BUT THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THIS IS ELECT HIM FOR LIVE. LIKE BROTHER FIDEL.
      BUT HE IS TO GOOD FOR AMERICA!!!1 ONCE THE ONE WORLD REGIME IS ESTABLISHED WE WILL ELECT HIM AS DICTATOR OF THE WORLD.
      THEN THE MAHDI WILL COME AND EXTERMINATE ALL THE COCK ROACHES.

    • chris

      Erika, Why don’t you learn from them how to become rich yourself, instead of expecting the government to re-distribute MY money to people like you, who want to complain about how rich other people are! Waaaa, Waaa, Waaa! that’s all I hear from you!

    • Aunt Jane

      You are right about not wanting this man in office! And if you think Obama, the Democrats and the Flea Party care about you then you are seriously delusional!

    • Zack

      Erika you are a poster child for the current crop of “gimme, gimmie, gimmie” fleabagging throwback’s of the 60′s and 70′s Marxist hippies. You have no respect for the U.S., it’s laws, nor yourself. A pox upon you and your kind. God bless the United States of America and the principles upon which she was founded.

    • Frank Suszka

      Let’s make that three idiots. I don’t want Obama in office either. He has done nothing with his failed economic plans and the fact that Michelle has spent our tax dollars of trips and such is outrageous. We are told to stay home. Don’t go on vacation. Eat our peas and buy a new car which we can’t afford all the while these two spend that money. I’m sorry. I support the office of the president but I don’t support the person occupying that office. He is doing everything he can to destroy this country. He made a statement that this was the greatest country in the world and wanted the American people to help him change it. I’m sorry, what is the old saying? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it? He promised the American people change but never said what that change would be and the blind leading the blind voted him into office. This is the change you support? We suffer with higher prices and an economy that puts most people on the brink of poverty. It doesn’t matter what political party you belong to or support. We are all in the same boat. Sinking.

      My suggestion to you would be remove the blinders and see exactly what is going on. Set aside your political views and see what our country has become. The laughing stock of the world. How can we be proud of a president that apologizes, bows and destroys? We can’t. Wake up. Like my Father used to say, It’s latter than you think.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Erika . . . living proof you Can’t Fix Stooopid!!!

    • Erik

      I agree. We must be pro-active. Let’s start by removing the incompetent Obummer from office. That dimwit will destroy this country through his communist policies.

    • CJM

      Yes, I do blame your messiah, after all, HE said he would “change” America. That do-nothing lout in the Oval Office has NO BUSINESS BEING THERE. And yes we do realize that not all republicans are the best of the lot, but at least they have been trying ever since that piece of garbage was put into the WH. His accomplishments? Nothing, period. He needs to be IMPEACHED and the sooner the better.

    • Sirian

      Erika,
      LOL!! You are the true epitome of ignorance with a total lack of common sense. And we want people like you to tell us what is best. . . LOL!!!

    • Duffy1949

      Erika,
      How dare you damn all Americans.You are in the same court as prez Obummer when he courted Pastor (?) Wright. If you are not happy here,please move to another country where you don’t have free will.
      You, Erik (the atheist) and all the other Dummers should get on with your lives perhaps in Venezuela Or with the Cartels in Mexico.
      God Bless America and for those who believe in our Great Country.

      • Evermyrtle

        Goodadvice,Duffy!

      • http://naver samurai

        Hooooorrrrraaaaahhhhh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Evermyrtle

      erica, if you look closely, he is only being blamed for what he has done and I do not remember him actually doing anything to benefit America. He has ruined us economically and tried to blame Bush for what everything that he himself has done. He has ruined us morally by supporting and many times forcing un-GODLY laws……………..

      • http://naver samurai

        He is also a liar, marxist, muslim, bilderberg, and is so far up Soros’ backside that for him to lead and be rational is a vertual impossibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Tom

    If you wanted to ever exhibit ignorance, what better way than to be an OWS’ster.

    • Ronbo

      Yes, Tom wants us to work against our own best interests. Tom, send your money to the top 1% who deserve it more than you. Afterall, you only work for it; THEY OWN THE STOCK and deserve every penny you earn. Stop your greed and send it back to the Wealthy Corporate Class.

      Tom, do those bankers and financial investors deserve everything? If your answer is “yes”, then it is you who are the fool. We’ve bailed them out once already. Send your own money next time, but nothing from the public.

      • Thomas

        It is crazy all these libirals can talk about is the corp greed being so bad and they want a bigger pice of the pie. Do any of them have a retiment plan or 401? The biggest part of all big corp.s belongs to the small stock holders so if they make big pofits its not just the (fat cats) that benifit but every one that owns stock in the corp. If the governmnt would stop taking so much hese big “evil” corps could grow and when big “evil corps grow they have to hire more people and surprize there are more pies to go around. Government spending only drains the economey becase the government cannot creat wealth

      • Dale on the left coast

        Earth to Ranbo . . . what caused the Global Meltdown? Mortgages, worthless mortgages packaged in derivitives by Fannie/Freddia and fenced all over the world by Wall Street. So the OWS loons blame the Messenger (Wall Street) and give the Govt that conceived of the Mortgage Scam a pass??? This all started in the mid-nineties, when the Klinton Regeme adjusted the Comm Reinvestment Act or Mortgages for ALL . . . trillions in worthless mortgages created the housing bubble . . . it BURST and even you know the rest.
        The is a GOVT CREATED DEPRESSION . . . and you can not Spend or Print you way out of it, FDR proved that in the 30′s.

        • Duffy1949

          Could not have said it better myself, Dale.

      • http://naver samurai

        Didn’t Obama bin Laden already do that with our tax dollars? Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • ken

    that was great,gotta send it to my friends

  • Alex

    Well, Mr Crystal, there you go again….

    You so achingly wish to see the Occupy Wall Street Movement suffer a decline as quick its meteoric ascendancy, but take it from me—you need the OWS folks to last awhile, as they have provided you with the only even moderately funny material you’ve had for weeks on the laugh track-saddled spoofs you tape in your mother’s basement. Seriously, some of your Fleabag stuff is worth at least quiet chuckle.

    The entire Wall Street environment is so different from th eSixties in that the hard-working union laborers have rallied in support of the demonstrators. Four decades ago the ‘union thugs’ you Reich Wingers rail against were pounding anti-war protesters, beating even Vietnam Veterans themselves—the ‘Free Market’ gluttons sure didn’t have a problem with union workers then, did they?

    As for Attorney General Eric Holder apologizing for a murder occurring as a result of the ‘Fast and Furious’ fiasco—you have a valid point—what a mess!— but wihy are you not equally adamant that the Bush Crime Family apologize to the 4400+ American families whose loved ones they murdered when they gave up on finding bin Laden and instead wove a war of whole cloth?

    Word of advice? Lose the laugh track. Maybe work an audience, if you dare. Laugh tracks are like hanging a photoshopped Sports Illustrated cover with you smiling out in your Davidson cheerleader sweater—it’s just not genuine.

    You seem like you could maybe be a nice guy, if you read some books.

    • AJ

      Alex, you’re right, Pappa George’s crime family including his drug partner in crime Billy slick willie and our ulustrious Eric Holder would make great tree decorations hanging from one for their treasonious acts.

    • eddie47d

      Excellent reply Alex. Even an once of reality would help edge them closer to a balanced mind.

      • Alex

        Thank you, Eddie, and I DO enjoy your many posts.

    • http://naver samurai

      Same old lies, innuendo, and rhetoric. I can just here you saying baaaaa, baaaaa, baaaaa, after every sentence you typed out. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • dan

    Shelby for president…anything would be an improvement…squirrel ! :)

    • JC

      Randomly select any name in any American phone book and it would be an improvement.

  • Ronbo

    #OWS is a fantastic outpouring of reality from the 99%. Why is this site degrading us? Why must we accept control from the Wealthy Corporate Class?

    • carlos

      Ronbo, First: We don’t want to be controlled by the banker class! But neither do we want to be controlled by the welfare class! And….some of us got good educations from the public schools, and were taught to recognize Communist propaganda. And of course know about “Neighborhood Organizers” Che` was one! And the term Progressive has long been used by the communists. They have a habit of using those like you, then at the last minute taking over your revolution! They call you “Useful Idiots” after they have consolidated power….useful idiots are “liquidated” (that doesn’t mean wealthy retirement). Read up on Communism and learn!

      • Ronbo

        The welfare class has zero power. Don’t lie and deceive. Communism?!? Dude, your education was poor – at best. Learn the difference between the “isms” before you misuse them. No one is talking about centralized production; just shows how uneducated you truly are.

        Now go google “Obama, CIA and Business International Corporation”. It will show you how you are being misled about Obama; he is a member of the 1% and is working to turn Social Security over to the 1%. We agree that Obama must go. Obama is a trojan-horse republican. Just google and read.

        • s c

          r, you did it again! Do you get PAID to spout this pig sty crap? You expect us to believe that we should support that W H poser, and in the same breath you DARE to say that Obummer must “go.” That’s a new way to prove that you’re double-minded
          shill. Someone needs to notify your parents that you escaped from the asylum.

          • Ronbo

            The truth is important. No abount of insults and ignorance from you will change that. But, it does show how poorly you are educated. The more you post, the more people question your intelligence.

          • Ronbo

            Obama is a trojan-horse Republican. Google “Obama, CIA and Business Intelligence Corporation”. He is working for the 1%. Look at what he has actually done (not “said”, words are cheap) – extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich, passed mandatory payments from all Americans to Health Insurance Companies, extended republican-started wars, exported torture to overseas countries, expanded drone killing, assassinated Americans without habeus corpus, stopped all investigation of: bankers, financial investors, etc…. He may talk socialism; but, Obama signs Republican legislation.

          • JC

            Ronbo, you wouldn’t know truth or logic if slapped you in the head.
            You and your kind are all ideologically driven emotional wrecks who want to be taken care of by some Mommy figure.

          • eddie47d

            Each week several posters say there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Even the founder of this site has said so so why would you continually dispute anyone who sees this light. Instead of remaining in one sided darkness you need to explore other possibilities in search for the truth.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Ranbo . . . 99% is laughable . . . maybe 9%, these folks are mostly the hand-out crowd. The more they talk the more they demonstrate they don’t have a clue . . . incidently, just like the clown in the WH.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

        • CJM

          Strange how you misuse the internet…we already know odummer is a COMMUNIST and we already know the difference between communism and freedom. You have the right to say what you want because folks like by dad, brother, uncles, cousins put their lives on the line, but it’s a safe bet you haven’t. You also contradict yourself saying that your messiah is one of you, yet he must go–well, which is it? He’s out-lived your usefulness so now you want to dump him???? A republican trojan horse? Let’s see, I think that phrase came up a short time ago by one of those yellow journalists who was spouting off in favor or the liberals because they fear the next election may put someone else in the Oval Office. And by the way, Ronbo, the term trojan horse was used in a derogatory manner to describe your messiah; a little unkind of the liberal media wouldn’t you say.

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually, the welfare class has a lot of power at the ballot box. Since libs, like Obama bin Laden, don’t believe in taking away there welfare checks and getting them to work, they’ll vote lib every time. Remember, voting is a powerful weapon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • death to non believers

      how many of the citizens of the USA can, just NOT go to work for a few weeks, camp out in zucckini park in nyc and in various other cities accross our country, rob, rape, murder, stay unwashed, spread disease among themselves (share and share alike), and be loved by the mayors of theses various cities and still have a job to return to ? the answere is ZERO. these occupy slime are being supported by our tax money through some local/state/federal “be good to the poor” programs and some soros organizations. this is a revolution against the USA. jail or kill all of them, they do not serve any useful purpose, except to waste our oxygen. then arrest every mayor who supported them for sedition.

      you can use all the class distinctions you want, we are all Americans here. its this slime who contiually bring up this class distintion. why arent they protesting in dc, where the laws have been passed to put our country 14 trillion in debt ? why arent they protesting the giant corporation GE, who paid zero federal income taxes ? oil and bank are easy targets for this slime, and they know it. dont be duped, whoever took out a student loan, which, by the way was from fannie or freddie mac, did not have a gun pointed at their head to force them to do it. thats a great slogan “we dont want to pay back our student loans”, I dont want to pay my rent, but i made a commitment to do it, so did these slimeballs. they are all disgusting. if they dont like our country, move out, nothing is forcing them to stay here. there shd be a telethon, to raise cash to buy all of them 1 way tickets, to a country of their choice, and on the condition of penalty of death, never to return to the USA. we do not need any of these slime here, no matter what universities they graduated from. they are western civilization disrupters and chaos causing revolutionaries.

      • MilitaryPatriot

        Bless you. Can I get a Amen.

        • JC

          Amen!

        • Duffy1949

          Amen,Amen,Amen!!!!!

      • http://personalliberty.com Tracie

        WELL SAID!!! MY question is, WHERE ARE THE WATER CANNONS? Why aren’t they arresting these people? The First Amendment CLEARLY STATES–Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        These people are NOT ‘PEACEABLY’ assembling…they are destroying property, urinating in public, and OTHER things, there is rape, drug use, robbery, CHILD ENDANGERMENT for those ‘parents’ who allow their small, minor children to be there, they are vandalizing neighborhood businesses…WHERE ARE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?!!! If THEY won’t do their jobs…SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARDSMEN!!! I’m TELLING you, these OWS people are BULLIES…I’ve always been told, that when YOU stand up TO the bullies, they always back down, because THEY are a big chicken. Maybe WE THE PEOPLE should run them OUT of these cities, if the Mayors and law enforcement aren’t going to do their jobs…JUST SAYIN’.

        • eddie47d

          No the bullies are on Wall Street but I don’t see YOU protesting their actions or lack of accountability on the financial downgrade of America. OWS is also protesting all corporations who have gotten a free ride off our easily manipulated system including GE.So don’t be so naive because the problems are multi faceted including Washington itself.

          • s c

            e, those OWSer retards don’t get it. IF they DID, they’d be camped out in front of the W H! FYI – since you CAN’T get it into that concrete head of yours, the head of GE IS IN BED WITH YOUR WHITE HOUSE ‘GOD.” HOW is it possible that GE can GET AWAY with paying ZERO TAXES?
            e, you came to this website clueless, and you’re still CLUELESS. Don’t dare to preach or bitch and moan when you violate your own “standards,” bubba.
            Losers back in the ’60s didn’t get it, and their mutated sons and daughters don’t get it NOW.
            By the way, no more semi-compliments for you. You’re oxygen deprived, and you need to move to a lower altitude so your head can get some functional air, comrade. Oh, the look on your face when the mask comes off Obummer. You might consider wearing a diaper when it happens.

          • eddie47d

            Your so cute SC when you are mad. Dang it, you are always mad !! I don’t control GE anymore than you do so stop with the phony bluster.It could also be said that Walmart has cheapened America (I don’t shop there). Not everyone thinks they are good and not everyone things they are bad. For now that is the way things are. We can challange companies to do right and it’s a slow up hill battle. Sometimes we win and sometimes we lose.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sook Young went to Washington for a couple of days to protest the current administration and call for his impeachment, so does this count for your “protesting” remark? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Mike in MI

            eddledy-addledy – Gee, remember what I wrote the other day about you coming down on the side of the “Occupiers”?
            And you so glibly responded that I, ME, MIKE was the fugitive from a mental institution? Like you’d have nothing, never, ever-at-all to do with the sentiments of the OWS loonier-than-thou crowd, no crud.

            HAVE YOU NO SHAME? (Did you clean your bedroom yet?)

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said, fellow patriot! Let’s see how these lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists respond to that one. Maybe the same classic lib strategies of name calling, using the race card, or changing the subject due to having no intelligence on the subject at hand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • JC

      Ronbo says:
      November 12, 2011 at 8:09 am
      #OWS is a fantastic outpouring of reality from the 99%. Why is this site degrading us? Why must we accept control from the Wealthy Corporate Class?

      Actually its an outpouring of “anger” from a bunch of people who don’t know what they’re protesting, don’t know what they want, don’t know where the source of the problems really are, who claim to despise greed yet want The Government to make it alright by giving them something for nothing…which is greed combined with laziness.
      They are a sad bunch indeed. Too bad they’re just too stupid to ever get focused.

      Give what’s left of your head a shake…

      • http://personalliberty.com Tracie

        AND…they chose a DOG to be their leader. HMMMM!!! REALLY?!!! Shows you how stupid they REALLY are.

        • Average Joe

          That dog just happens to be the most intelliget spokesperson they could find…..and he only had three demands:
          1. Feed and water me
          2. Pet me occasionally
          3. Give me a place to relieve myself

          • http://naver samurai

            :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      I concur that the phony NeoConservative Machiavellians are too often delusional at best – hypocritical and self-righteous at worst – as to what goes on inside another person’s skull I will not venture to guess. they blindly dismiss corruption in their own camp while obsessing how evil Soetoro is – yet went out of their way to give that scumbag McWar the nod while marginalizing Ron Paul just as they do now.

      The self-righteous and hypocritical NeoCons take worst case incidents and portray them as normative. The HUGE problem is that lumping people together is called collectivism – collectivism includes racism, communism socialism among other “isms”.

      My personal experience – and I can only speak for myself is that the Occupy Atlanta people were easy to dialog with – treat them with respect which means talk WITH them not TO them – hear their concerns and they will hear yours in turn.

      I disagree with the view of “gay” rights as yet another collectivist tact – INDIVIDUALS HAVE RIGHTS – not because of their race, gender or sexual proclivities – I have found the INDIVIDUALS @ Occupy Atlanta to find this reasonable premise acceptable.

      • CJM

        So, Mark, you think it is perfectly alright for these “peaceful” members of OWS to rape, murder, and otherwise harm those who do not want to be involved but find they have to cut through the OWS filthy muck in order to get to work? And it’s perfectly alright for these mobsters to defecate in public on police cars or wherever they wish so they can spread more disease? And it’s perfectly alright for these mobsters to use filth laden language that is socially UNACCEPTABLE under any circumstance? My, what a kind citizen you are. Quite frankly, you are as psychologically unfit as they are.

        • Karolyn

          You can’t judge the whole by the behavior of a few. Just like in Oakland where the true protesters came back the day after the riots and cleaned up grafitti and garbage. There will always be the few, possibly even people from the opposition, who will strive to disrupt. It would not be surprising if it was righties (paid Koch employees) who did the damage just to put the demonstrators in a bad light. Conservatives always say that when the shoe is on the other foot.

          • http://naver samurai

            It only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole barrel Karolyn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Care to cite a source showing that the Kock Brothers are in anyway involved in this?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Rondo, then don’t accept it, do what the rest of us do_ make your own way through life, who the hell died and left you off at the welfare office and said “GO be a nice boy, and go collect some of that FREE MONEY!???”__leeches! :)

  • tootsie

    Now Erika, put on your thinking cap and analyze what you just said. As far as Obama’s plan, it supports teachers and government employees. Obama tried that last time round and it failed to create jobs.

    It failed because the powerful teachers union has no intention of cooperating with the the masses of ordinary people like you and me. They have proven this in NY.

    And guess what the powerful rich Dems like Soros, Pelosi, the media moguls are using you like bait on a hook.

    When you serve your purpose you will be the first against the firing wall.

    But you are to be forgiven because you are obviously young and have no life’s experiences yet.

    If you are a college graduate and have no job blame the EPA for over regulations, the teachers unions for not counseling you properly and yourself for not doing your own research.

    • Evermyrtle

      Tootsie, you hit it right on the head. The only thing Obam is interested in is overcoming America,or may I say “selling America out” and glorifing Obam.

    • Ronbo

      It did halt an economy in freefall. But “big brains” like tootsie (HA) don’t consider that a benefit.

      Tootsie – replace your “thinking cap” it is too tight and cutting off your circulation. Your brain needs oxygen to function properly.

      • s c

        Ye gods, r. You’re making me appreciate little e from Colorado. He RARELY makes sense, but he makes more sense than YOU, comrade. You should keep a diary, and find a way to have easy access to every dumbed-down, borderline remark you ever posted to this website. Do you go through life wearing a mask so no one will recognize you? Get help, sock puppet.

        • eddie47d

          Thanks for the half hearted compliment SC but I seriously doubt if I’ll be hanging it on the wall or be using it as a reference. You are definitely one strange bird!

      • CJM

        Last time I looked, Ronbo, we are still in that economic freefall…when did it stop????

      • Angel Wannabe

        rondo Oh yeah, the economy’s doing great!__ and all is well in the land of OZ!__Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,… my God you Libs are wacked!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Are you smoking lib crack? Come up here to Elkhart, Indiana and say that nonsense. We’ve been at 10% – 11% unemployment and hasn’t changed one iota. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • carlos

    Erica,Unlike you, most us understand the pitfalls of Marxism and it’s many disguises! And we like our system, if we wanted Obama’s goals we would have moved to Cuba, or North Korea! Can you really tell us you would prefer America to change to those systems? Except in the MSM, enough of Obama’s crimes have been exposed.

    • Ronbo

      Study your “isms” dude before you further reveal your ignorance.
      Capitalism,
      Marxism,
      Socialism,
      Communism,
      etc….

      • Mike in MI

        You too! And get a book that does it in pre-1940′s terms, informtion and definitions. Rum Beaux.

      • CJM

        “Dude” you keep telling everyone to study the ‘isms’ before writing about them…well, enlighten us because you haven’t defined them according to ronbo and we all await with bated breath to hear your pearls of wisdom. Come on, dude, give us the joke of the day, we can’t wait.

      • http://naver samurai

        You forgot some others that are hurting our country:

        secularism
        atheism
        progressiveism

        These are just a few, but you get my drift. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Sirian

        Ronbooboo, LOL, you are almost as laughable as Erika. You obviously depend on Huffpost & MSNBC as your two most vital sources of information. LOL!!! If you are so well versed in the various “isms” that you listed would you please tell use something we don’t already know so we can get another good belly laugh. . LOL!!

  • William James Ward

    Nuke the fleas, just a tiny nuke, so tiney Amaddinnerjacket
    can kill of his head lice with it but maybe no his fleas.
    William

    • Ronbo

      That sounds like what a terrorist would say. Are you a terrorist?

      • Angel Wannabe

        rondo, no on is a terrorist here, with the exception of you, your kind aids and albeits them, example..Fast and Furious —anyone?!

      • http://naver samurai

        Since you have never met one or dealt with one, I’ll let your stupidity slide this one time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • FreedomFighter

    Eric Holder is a traitor to the constitution.

    Tax Christmas tree? What a heel, Obama socialist BS

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Evermyrtle

      Holder, if we could get rid of him and about three dozen of his cohorts our country would be in a much better condition. They have united to see us go down the drain. Oh, I know there are many more but if we could replace the top 37, Holder and three dozen more, with true Christians we would be doing great.

      • Ronbo

        It would be better to get rid of all paid-political persons. Repubs and Dems BOTH depend on money from the wealthy – so they do what the wealthy want.

        Democracy is paralyzed by money.

        • s c

          So, r, WHY do you have to be REMINDED that America is supposed to be a REPUBLIC – not a frickin’ democracy? You should go to the head of the line for Obummer’s half-assed healthcare. That first brain transplant you got didn’t work. Now you have something in common with one of your political ‘gods’ – Al “duh” Gore.
          Give it a rest, comrade. Or, take more Prozac.

          • eddie47d

            I thought SC bought out the nations Prozac supply? That ought to bring down the debt a bit.

          • JeffH

            sc, it appears you have picked up that parasitic cling-on again.

          • http://naver samurai

            And ed-duh has bought up all the viagra, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Angel Wannabe

      FF, Obama, retracted that tax.

  • Bobby B

    Hey Erika
    You need to learn the truth. I don’t vote along party linesI usualy vote for who willdo the best job. The Dem party use to be called the socialist party, then the progresive party. The vote along the lines of socialism.
    If you wnat a socialistic kind of country move to N. Korea, Russha, China they will welcome you. Also check there are more rich Democaratic congressmen than Republicans. The whole Idea of the New society that was set up by the Johnson administration was to control the people with money from government programs and guarantee their votes. The Independants and Republicans just want the chance to live the American dream. That is why people from all over the world try to come to this country for freedom and a chance to thrive. With too high of taxes and too much gov. control neither thing can hapen.

  • Alex

    Hope you all had a Happy Armistice Day.

    Don’t worry about praying for any of our dead bombers, though. Like Islamofascist suicide bombers, our own gutless wonders, the ones who dropped bombs on Hiroshima, and Hanoi, and Baghdad, and Panama City, etc, are all burning in Hell, right alongside Hitler, Ronald Reagan, and John Wayne Gacy. Yep, Paul Tibbitts, the Enola Gay commander who never apologized, is being seared as we speak, just like Heinrich Himmler and Josef Stalin.

    When you really get down to it, the suicide bombers in the Middle-East are, actually, marginally less evil than our Air Force bombers, right? ‘Cause when the idiot suicide bomber makes his Evil point, he knows that HE is going to die, AS WELL, while are military bombers, can incinerate sleeping babies and still make home for dinner!! HAA! Such pigs we are!!

    • JC

      Hitting the “crazy” extra hard today?

      • Alex

        So weird that none of you ever have any cogent rejoinders to what I write.

        • Ronbo

          If you are going to brag about your “cogent” points, please make them. At least you recognize that Ronald Reagan did our nation a disservice. Obama IS the black Reagan – enabling the rich to take from the poor.

          • JC

            Actually, it’s : Enabling the Government to take from EVERYBODY that is the real problem.

        • JC

          Because what you write so all over the board senseless it isn’t concievable to try and address it. Might as well try talking to a monkey.

          • Sharon

            NOT everybody– What is the ‘fair share’ the leeches are paying?

          • JC

            Sharon says:
            November 12, 2011 at 10:22 am
            NOT everybody– What is the ‘fair share’ the leeches are paying

            The “leeches” don’t seem to be paying much. They’re all down at Wall Street, or sitting in Congress.

          • eddie47d

            …or in fat Wall Street offices!

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            November 12, 2011 at 11:40 am

            …or in fat Wall Street offices!

            Right, sitting there with their bought and paid for Congressman…
            Get the Government OUT of business and the Federal Reserve OUT of the money printing business…then maybe we’ll have a level playing field.

          • eddie47d

            Since the majority of our corporations and some businesses are part and parcel of crony capitalism then you have one heck of an up hill battle. You have to be willing to take on your friends in high places(Wall Street) also in order to achieve that goal of yours.

          • JC

            My goal posts don’t include communism or crony capitalism.
            They are part of the same disease.
            I’m an American Constitutionalist…look it up.

        • MilitaryPatriot

          No one will respond to you, other then you are fool. You apparently have not been taught the true history of our wars. You sound like a young snot nose kid.

      • Angel Wannabe

        JC, I think the resident Liberals on PLD needs a good healthy, STHU today!

        • JC

          Maybe, but some days they are pretty amusing, don’t ya think? ;) lol

          • Angel Wannabe

            JC, Man they are out in force on this vid, Ben really must have p*ssed them off with it!!!! ;P

          • http://naver samurai

            If they are angry, it is because they know we know them as nothing but trash. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • LES

      Unless you lived through WW II you do not know what you are talking about the bombing on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those bombs saved millions of lives both American and Japanese.
      The Japanese would have never surrender, they would have fought every inch of their home land. When the first bomb was dropped and they saw the devastation they did not surrender even then, they could have saved the second city by surrendering but they chose to fight on shows how determined they were.

      If we had to invade, like we did in Europe, the war would have gone on another year. Every city in Japan would lie in ruins, and millions would have died. Those two bombs saved lives and much of Japan.

      • Sirian

        What you say is so true yet these young fools have not been taught anything near that truth. In reality they haven’t the slightest idea as to what prompted WWII as well as what the end results may have been if “Fat Man” and “Little Boy” had not been used. If only they could – by some remote chance – even comprehend how terrible invading Japan would’ve been over using two nukes. Again, you are right.

    • http://naver samurai

      What a rant! So full of lib kool aid that his brain must have beem switched off while responding. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. This shows how much you hate veterans by this ignorant posting.

  • JC

    Peter Schiff at Occupy Wall Street.
    Amazing how incredibly ignorant the fleabaggers really are.
    They have absolutely no concept of truth/logic/economics or even
    what it is they are angry at. What a bunch of complete flakes.
    Watch how they become hysterical in the face of reason…

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/11/peter-schiff-at-occupy-wall-street-ows-u

  • jopa

    There appears to be more confusion among the Teabaggers than any other group in America.They have been taken over by the likes of the Koch brothers and Karl Roves regime and don’t even know what the issues are that these groups are promoting.All they say is I’m a Teabagger and don’t even know why.A lot of the Teabaggers are elderly and confused individuals packed on to buses for trips to DC and fed a lot of baloney sandwiches.Some have never been out of the backwood burroughs and villages throughout America and for the Kochs and Rove to give them a free bus ride and food is their idea of going to Disney World.I have heard stories of the stench filth and disease many of these backwood folks carry on their journeys but many don’t know proper hygiene or are becoming senile.One of my neighbors is a Teabagger and I just place care packages of soap and other sanitary items on their porch for them to pass around among their group.

    • Zack

      jopa you are misguided. You aren’t talking about the Teapartiers, you are describing the Fleabaggers. Try to get your head out of the sand and get a little education.

    • Dale on the left coast

      jopa . . . the San Fran teabagger . . .

      • http://naver samurai

        Actually he served with the 69th Rump Rangers, San Francisco Batallion. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jay

    Control the Money, Control the World

    The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole…

    Their secret is that they have annexed from governments, monarchies, and republics the power to create the world’s money.

    International Bankers have Stolen the Power from the Worlds’ Sovereign Nations to Create Money

    The system of privately owned banks beginning in England in 1694 and now dominating the United States and every developed nation have financed most of the world’s wars in the last three hundred years, greatly enabled and extended them by financing both sides, and driven these countries into massive debt, essentially enslaving governments and populations to international banking institutions.

    We cannot even begin to understand how great concentrations of economic and political power have developed in our country, why our farmers are being driven out of the agricultural industry in droves, how the advocates of world government are aiming to subjugate the NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY TO THE MUCH MORE CONCENTRATED PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, or why we are approaching a massive financial crisis that threatens to vaporize the average person’s wealth while enriching only the very tip-top figures in the banking industry, unless we understand what real money is and what kind of an unthinkable crime and complete conspiracy the formation of our central bank has been.

    The Rise of the Bankers
    http://www.conspiracywatch.net/2011/02/how-international-bankers-gained.html

    • JC

      Further to that:

      “By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and
      unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no
      subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to
      debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law
      on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a
      million is able to diagnose.”
      – John Maynard Keynes
      (1883-1946) British economist
      Source: “The Economic Consequences Of The Peace”

      “The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money and control credit, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it all back again. However, take this great power away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control credit.” ~ Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England in the 1920s, reputed to be the second wealthiest man in England at that time

      And there are just so many more like these.

      • Sirian

        Yes, it’s called the FEDERAL RESERVE. Ever read up on the Fed? Try it, you’ll enjoy.

        • JC

          I traced it all back to Meyer Rotschilds (nee Bauer) to a pawn shop on Juden Street in Frankfurt during the reign of Prince William of Hanau in the mid-late 1700′s.
          Meyer Bauer stole a fortune from the Prince and absconded to London and changed his name…
          Believe me, I know the whole story.

  • JayO

    Folks,
    It has nothing to do with an “R” or a “D”. Our system as a whole is run by corrupt men and women who are only interested in maintaining their power to rule. There are a small group of genuine men and women in our government who truly want to do what is right for our country, but they need our help as “Americans” not democrats or republicans or independants. It’s not about party, it’s about country, and the lnoger they can keep us arguing about which party is the best; the longer they can work in the background to take our freedoms away.
    The economics are simple, if government gets it’s funding from taxpayers and continues to give away more than they take in, they eventually run out of funding. We’re there right now people! Borrowing in excess of .40 cents on the dollar to do what? Don’t just listen to the media, look at the actual bills these crooks pass. You can see the crony spending all over the place, and this is our money they are buying votes with. We need good people in office who will truly represent what is in our best interests, not just theirs.

    • Morduin00

      Finally, someone who makes sense. Hear! Hear!

      During the time of Reagan, when I became eligible to vote, the Repubs matched my beliefs more closely. Now they have strayed from the conservative farm and have become almost as bad as the Dems.

      Face it folks. The Robin Hood theory of governing doesn’t work. Neither does the Prince John theory.

      The only theory that has been proven to work is the federal republic as constituted by our founding fathers. But, even they knew that if the populace started receiving hand-outs and became dependent on the federal government, the republic would end.

      This has come to pass as the majority of people now believe that we are to live in a democracy and we are suffering the same pains as any democracy 200+ years old suffers from.

      We need to take back our government from those who serve no purpose but to fulfill their own power-hungry needs and restore our federal republic as it was intended.

      The majority of federal programs should be abolished and, if a particular state wants those programs, they can pay for them. Restore state’s rights!

  • Ronbo

    Jopa we need you here more often. Intelligence is the best way to scare away the proudly ignorant.

    • s c

      That’s a good one, r. NEWS FLASH! If you get what j proposes, that means you’ll NEVER infest this website again. ‘Proudly arrogant’ is a fairly good way to describe what’s going on between your widely-spaced ears, comrade. OK, back to your parrot’s cage.

      • eddie47d

        Are you still trying to walk on water SC? Don’t get a chill when you sink!

    • http://naver samurai

      I guess this means it’ll scare you away also, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • JayO

    Alex,
    You seem to me to not believe in god, so how can you believe in hell?

    I imagine you believe we should’ve left hitler alone and not got involved?

    But I shouldn’t say things like that, I don’t know you and I’m sure you have lived a perfect life and never done anything wrong to anyone. Hey, maybe we should make YOU president!

  • Benjamin

    @Ben Crystal – Damn man…seems you’ve struck a nerve with the Useful Idiots. ROFLMAO@them. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Bem, yepper the Libby’s got they’re panties in a bunch today!!!___and I love it! :)

      • Karolyn

        As I sit here smiling and chuckling as I type! :-)

  • cheryl lynn

    Occupy Wall street is no laughing matter. It is a very dangerous movement. I saw what this type of leftist progressive movement did in the 60′ and early 70′. The Clinton’s were protestors during this time. This is the way the left pushes there liberal agenda and move this country further into socialism. Hermon Cain is being trampled from the left with Axelrod as its chief destroyer. The left is really worried that we could actually turn this country back to the Constitutional values of Free Speech, Gun Rights, Religion, protection from search and seizure.freedom of the press. etc The left only uses the Constitution when it fits there agenda. Occupy Wall street is a movement to take away freedom. The Tea Party is a movement to give us back our freedoms.

    • Morduin00

      I am in line with your thinking Cheryl Lynn. Nothing like a smart woman to make this old guy smile :-)

    • Christin

      Cheryl,

      Amen!

      Occupy was said to be “the fringe of the fringe of the fringe” by a news reporter… wow, that is WAY “anarchist” left… super dangerous to Freedom, useful idiots by the NWO folks.

    • Karolyn

      Is there still a Tea Party? I have seen or heard nothing from or about them in quite some time.

      • Angel Wannabe

        K__ oh beg to differ__ the Tea Party is still alive and well, they’re just overshadowed right now in the Lebby news because of the OWS-ers reports on, burning cars, shooting and raping women, and getting fleas and tuberculosis!

      • Christin

        Karolyn,

        The ‘Tea Party’ folks are at Home responsibly raising their children, Working for a living to provide for themselves and their family and donating when they can to the more unfortunate, going to church to pray for God’s divine will, and Paying Taxes to pay for the Entitlement crowd including OWS and the greedy govt officials who are lining their pockets while putting debt on America.

        • http://naver samurai

          Well said Angel and Christin. If you see my name on this site, then you have a member of the Tea Party on site also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Christin

            Samurai, :)

          • Angel Wannabe

            samurai, Hear Hear!_ ;)

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks to the both of you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James Bishop

    The parents of these juveniles were probably not as bad as they are, they just never taught their kids the reality in the age old proverb, that there is “No Free Lunch,” because someone, somewhere has to pay for it. However, the government has taught them the lie that there is indeed “a free lunch.” Naturally, they swallowed that lie hook line and sinker. If we did a study of these parents, we would probably find that they allowed their off-spring to do as they pleased, and gave them little or no discipline. If they got any, these peoples actions reveal that they never accepted any training or teaching of respect for private property. Add to this, our educational system being an aide to this kind of philosophy. Public education has taught them there is no God, you evolved from animals and lower life forms, survival is based on the “wolf pack mentality,” so, they have started to act out their belief system, which is animalistic. Chances are that when these people grew up their parents weren’t there, they received no teaching of morals, and many no doubt became wards of the state. Their offspring will be worse than these. It will boil down to a civil war between the Socialist/Marxist Ideology and the US Constitution. Socialist are thugs who think they have the right to take what you and I worked for and give it to lazy bums/punks/liars, and thieves, who won’t work. Civil War will come unless this is stopped. America as much as I love it, has committed some grave sins and still does today. God always judges sin, whether we like that or not, that is the way it is. God still has the answer for all people, and it’s found in the Holy Bible. Anarchy is not the answer, and God is not the author of confusion, and OWS is mass confusion. They can’t even say with one accord what they are protesting. That is the stupid part. However, Christ died for these people even though they represent anarchy, looting, every kind of violence. These OWS people are consumed with anger, bitterness, and darkness of soul. They couldn’t see the truth if it stood in front of them. For a real taste of Socialism and Marxism they need to go to North Korea/Cuba/ Russia or Venezuela. There they can get a real education of what Socialism and Marxism really is.

    • Karolyn

      Once again: Where have you been? THEY ARE NOT ALL JUVENILES! And many are veterans who have joined, especially since that vet was seriously injured by the police. At least whoever they are aren’t just sitting on their butts at keyboards bitching and complaining.

      • Angel Wannabe

        AND karolyn, I’ll tell ya another reason for OWS encampment, especially in the cities,… what better way is there to aid in the collapse of an capitalist economic system than to, camp out among business’s and thwart more business because they don’t want to be around OWS, the business’s have already suffered from a down turned economy!!__It’s not rocket science!

        • Angel Wannabe

          K, should’ve read “because customers don’t want to be around OWS”!

      • http://naver samurai

        You mean like you do? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Harry S.

    Those OW Protestors are nothing more than human parasites who feed off of the blood money of honest taxpayers. Sure there may be a few crooked wall street people, but only the simple-minded believe that they are in the majority.

    Hey , OW Fleabaggers, if tou really wanr to launch a LEGITIMATE PROTEST, just move your flea bags to the lawn outside pf the White House. Good Luck!

  • James Bishop

    I watched this protest song on youtube and it is nothing more than a 1960 free love and do your thing hippie in 2011. He’s figured out how to make a $$$$ off of the crowd. He’ll make a million dollars by selling his “take/rape/kill /murder/burn song while the dope heads applaud him. This crowd in full of stupid! Their sayings and beliefs come across as dumb and dumber. Another sign I saw said that, “Obama wasn’t a brown skinned socialist. Your thinking of Jesus.” The girl that held the sign up was laughing and waving her hands, and I couldn’t help but think how utterly stupid she is. Jesus was nothing compared to a socialist, not in any stretch of the imagination. I have been in Socialistic countries and Jesus has nothing to do with that mess. This girl couldn’t see the truth if it stood in front of her. For a real taste of Socialism and Marxism she needs to go to North Korea/Cuba/ Russia or Venezuela. There she can get a real education of what Socialism and Marxism really is. She needs to do that before she makes such a stupid statement.

  • http://What'swiththewebsite?? Richard Stanley

    I’d like to throw my two cents in or maybe it’s my $32,000! Let me remind you that Obama has asked for over six billion dollars, and got it, the last three times (or is that four) he asked for it. With all that money floating around the economy you would think there would be a few jobs. Well folks, guess what! The government does not create jobs, the private sector does. It should be pretty obvious with the recent Solundra scandal that this money is going to fellow democrats who supported this new change and the socialistic agenda. I for one believe our President is a devout muslim, intent on ruining this country. It does not take much to believe that. Just look at his track record and all the things he seems to hold dear. From apologizing to world leaders to ignoring the Boy Scouts and installing a national muslim day is very insulting to every red blooded american!!! THIS President, after leaving office, should be tried, and then convicted of treason ! It may come to impeachment first however, after the Supreme Court settles the birth issue. For my money it can’t happen soon enough. I voted for the man and recognized my mistake early. I promise you that I will never vote for him again. Given all the false information coming thru the news media it’s really difficult to know the real situation. That however will never change my mind on re-election. The changing laws are too damning!

    • JC

      And guess what else…
      (from a newsletter)
      Obama is the most SPINELESS and VINDICTIVE president in the history of the United States. Obama didn’t just go against the will of the American people.He went BEHIND THE BACKS of the American people.

      Obama is has passed over $1 TRILLION dollars in tax hikes starting this year. Guess when most of them take effect?

      You promised not to raise taxes on the middle class. Then, when we weren’t looking you stabbed us in the back. Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) said it best: “YOU LIE!”

      The People’s Healthcare Individual Mandate Tax is just one example of Obama’s many revenue grabbing schemes that will hit us hard in a few years According to the group Americans for Tax Reform: “Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” [i.e. government healthcare] must pay an income surtax…”

      In 2014, if you have a family of three, you will pay an additional $285 in taxes. You may be thinking, “Well that’s not that bad.” Think again, because it gets much worse. A family of three in 2015 will pay an extra $975 taxes.

      Here’s the kicker: In 2016, that same family of three will pay $2,085 THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE IN TAXES FOR OBAMACARE!

      Imagine how many tanks of gas $2,085 could buy.
      Imagine how many grocery store bills $2,085 could buy.
      Imagine how many heating and cooling bills $2,085 could buy.
      Imagine how much it would help if we let folks who were unemployed or underemployed keep that $2,085 dollars.

      And imagine how much it would help ALL Americans.

      Citizens have urged Obama to stop his runaway spending train since 2008. It’s 2011
      and nothing much has changed.

      The American people are still BEGGING for him to stop the ENDLESS spending and stop the ENDLESS tax increases.

      (This Kenyan is on a mission to destroy us. It’s High Treason)

      Two years…three years…four years…five years…six years from now. You get the picture. It’s unbelievable – some of Obama’s tax increases take effect TEN years from now.

      You see, underneath his arrogant façade and fancy suits, there is a SHIVERING COWARD. Come on Obama, it’s time to man up and tell the American people what you’re doing with our money!

      • CJM

        As I understand it, JC, that scum in the WH made sure the WORST of the “payments” would occur well after he left office (he planned, and still does, a second term)…by then, the people will focus on the new incumbent and blame him according to the libs. How’s that for a sneak attack on an unsuspecting public? Of course, he will most likely return to Indonesia where his last citizenship was actually recorded—the Brits won’t take him back!

        • JC

          Sneak attack is exactly what it is…from a Treasonous Subversive.
          Where’s the so called “Homeland Security” when this crap is going down…Oh yeah! hassling Americans.

    • Warrior

      Agreed Richard however the most serious problem in this country are the “progressives”. As many as possible need to be ousted in 2012.

  • JayO

    Welcome back Richard, one thing you can always say about us racist, homophobe, islamaphobes clinging to our God, guns, and country – we will always be here for you. We’ve all made our mistakes.

  • Mark Are

    Please, if I am going to waste my time, don’t send any more of THESE types of links! This was pitiful. Ben, you need to get a real job.

    • jerry sweet

      you might consider a job yourself,then maybe you would have less time for the rants from brats campaign you libs are always doing.

    • http://naver samurai

      Troll alert! Troll alert! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Frank Lopez

    Liberals need a month of vacation in Cuba and then and only then they will appreciate the benefit of living in a country like this. They will see that the welfare system or the nanny state does not work at all.
    Good to live among rich people because we all make money. In Cuba where all people are “the same”, they live like the cave men: hungry, poor, houses falling apart, etc. The Cuban government? The communists? Oh, they are fine, they have everything. They even are visited by all the STUPID LIBERAL AMERICANS that love to have a good time hanging out with Fidel Castro and his brother. America is changing for the worse unfortunately but even though I will love the last one who thinks that liberty and free market is all you need,
    frank

  • http://personalliberty.com Tracie

    About the OWA mobs…while they are ranting about the ’1%’ not paying enough taxes, and demanding that they ‘pay their fair share’…why aren’t these SAME people ranting about the 49% of Americans that DON’T pay ANY taxes at all?!!! If they’re wanting someone to ‘pay their fair share’, they should be demanding it from the 49%. If is WEREN’T for the 1%, NO ONE would have jobs. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS, OWS!!! I have ONE question…have you EVER been hired by a poor person?!!

    • http://personalliberty.com Tracie

      Sorry…I meant the OWS mobs. Typo!!

    • http://naver samurai

      Well said, but I don’t think the libs have a chance of understanding common sense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • JOMECL

    You are all brainwashed. It is the representatives and senators from both parties who have flushed this country down the toilet. Democraps and Repubuiclats alike. They sell out to the organization that contributes the most to thier reelection campaign while promising a lucrative job to them once they are out of office. They exempt themslves from social secirity, healthcare and other laws. They stack thier retirements while making it illegal for the military and civil service to do so. The Dems have run the country ~66% of the time since WWII via the house and senate with the Repubs holding the edge in the White House. They will not let us pump our own oil for production, they spend billions on foreign aid and the UN, they give your social security away to illegal immigrants. And for you youngsters, it was Lyndon Johnson and the Democraps in the 60′s who moved social security money to the general fund for general and not just social security use. That means the money I paid in is gone and the money I get comes from you. And let us not even mention the life term federal judiciary where a few men can overturn the vote of a whole state. I could go on forever but term limits for all of these people, no more elite retirement system (all of thier retirement fund goes into social security and they retire off of it like the rest of us), they come under the same health plan as us and all must obey all other laws we are held too. No more free pass for thousands of $$$$$$ of parking and other traffic tickets. The whole triumverate of this government is so corrupt it is sickening. Nuff said.

    • John_LA

      JOMECL correctly assumes that our economy doesn’t stand a chance of improvement if the neo-Keynesian interventionist politicians (Democrats and RINO’s) keep succeeding in passing wild fiscally irresponsible spending measures. To the extent that we, the public, keep reelecting these people we are equally responsible. We find ourselves in this uncomfortable position today because we, the public, have been negligent in our duty to be informed, vigilant and engaged. This is not a new phenomena for us, and certainly not new historically. Americans have been taking their form of government for granted for years. Decrease in knowledge of the principals, operation, and structure of the government due to lack of education and its priority have led to lack of appreciation. Voter apathy, disengagement, has been increasing over the years. The founding fathers were well aware of this tendency and warned of the consequences.
      Enter Peter Tucci, “Our political system would function better if politicians weren’t constantly positioning themselves for re-election,” he writes. “This permanent campaigning prevents politicians – especially House members, who are always within two years of an election – from reaching compromises or embracing unpopular but necessary measures.” The two-year re-election cycle is precisely to keep the House members in check and the public tied into their decisions and actions. Unfortunately, the apathetic public hasn’t been paying attention and holding politicians accountable. The House 2-year term and its purpose were debated long and hard at the Constitutional Convention as well as the public arena surrounding the convention – The Federalist and Antifederalist Papers.
      The 2-year term of campaigning didn’t seem to bother our current crop of politicians from embracing what “they felt” was a necessary and certainly unpopular measure like Obamacare without compromise. This is with the public having suddenly come out of their stupor and nearly melting down the phone lines trying unsuccessfully to stop this insanity. It did cost the Democrats control of the House and nearly the Senate in the 2010 election. It’s not over; the Democrats will suffer further losses in 2012 and most likely the presidency. The Republicans will eliminate a few more RINO’s. This is our system and the public regaining control. This is the system working. We would not be this frantic and desperate had we, the public, been doing our job all along. But this isn’t good enough; our system isn’t good enough for Mr. Tucci. He thinks we need a gimmick, TERM LIMITS, to help us do our job. Over 200 years of a system that is the envy of the world, crafted by a group of individuals with the right education experience and temperament, whose only failing is the apathy of the people (because it worked so well), but Mr. Tucci can fix everything with one gimmick. Fortunately, for the nation we already have a lab rat, California, we can look at for how well TERM LIMITS work.
      TERM LIMITS put forward as a general solution to voter frustration is itself a real problem. TERM LIMITS with respect to Federal offices and elections (other than the presidency) have already been ruled unconstitutional. That aside, we in California feeling similarly frustrated in 1987 voted for TERM LIMITS in state government. This was the “solution” to overcome the seemingly insurmountable obstacle of overcoming incumbency by voters. It has not proven to be the panacea Californians hoped for. Quite the contrary, voter apathy is still prevalent; the state is still gerrymandered to the point that voters have very little effect over election outcomes; and our state government is now not merely unresponsive but completely and totally incompetent and dysfunctional. This isn’t surprising considering who is running for office now – now that qualified politicians no longer see a career in public service. So, who is running? Short terms of office attract; the rich, the power hungry, the single issue fanatic, the corrupt for sale, the party rubber stamp, the future lobbyist, etc. Actually, with gerrymandering at the level in California, candidates like agendas are selected by the party, since California is effectively under one-party (Democratic Party) rule. The Republican Party in California has accepted as their role that of the “other” party in order to keep their gerrymandered minority level from going even lower. All that said – the real problems in California are gerrymandering and voter apathy. Gerrymandering is corrected by proper redistricting, already voted for but still not yet implemented. Voter apathy, while greatly aggravated by gerrymandering, is in fact the root problem. TERM LIMITS are actually an outgrowth and expansion of voter apathy, and not simply a reaction to voter frustration. With TERM LIMITS voters don’t have to vote to get the bastards out – they are gone after two terms, whether we vote or not. The good get mindlessly flushed with the bad. TERM LIMITS do not foster voter participation or empower voters. In 1987 many thought they had solved not only the problem of incumbency but also the need for further voting. TERM LIMITS were envisioned and used as some sort of governmental auto-pilot. TERM LIMITS simply provide the excuse for already apathetic voters to be even more apathetic. In California as anywhere else, the power of citizen voter participation if abdicated will be replaced, and in California it has been replaced by the political parties.
      One-party rule is on the agenda of the Democratic Party and the Obama administration on a national scale. TERM LIMITS and voter apathy aid that agenda. Amnesty for illegal immigrants will create Democratic Party loyalty amongst these new citizens, who will not have the required education concerning their role and the way our constitutional government works. The “Card Check” unionization legislation will do nationally what the unionized government workers have done for California with respect to Democratic Party government control. Add to that the continued (never ending?) control of GM and Chrysler by the government. Government control of banking and health care combined with government control through regulation and taxation of industry at all levels with the “Energy/Carbon” tax bills are all aimed at nationalization and one-party, Democratic Party, rule.
      It is now more than ever we need active and informed participation of the citizens in their government. Hopefully, the great awakening has begun with the realization not only of the treasure we have in this nation but how easily it could be lost and what is required to keep it. “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”, said Thomas Jefferson. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing,” said Edmund Burke. “All we have to do is vote once for TERM LIMITS and everything will take care of itself from now on”, was said by a nameless moron too lazy to participate or care about his government, freedom or future. We cannot afford to simply throw out, mindlessly, everybody – though it is tempting at times. However, there are plenty we don’t need and clearly don’t deserve to be there anymore.
      California, the national TERM LIMITS lab rat, is dying. TERM LIMITS in the California Constitution is a dismal failure and hastening California’s demise. Between California’s Constitution and current government dysfunctionality, I wonder if California even still qualifies for statehood. A gimmick like TERM LIMITS can never be a successful substitute for citizen voter responsibility, engagement and participation. Elevating a gimmick to an amendment to The Constitution would be criminal.
      In short, practice TERM LIMITS the old fashioned way – VOTE (using enlightened self-interest) THE BASTARDS OUT!

  • John Hardman

    Fleabaggers have been a un-realized benefit to all decent respectable and productive people just by comparing our differences.

    • bob wire

      Yea! “Look at Me!” too rich. ☺

    • http://naver samurai

      Yes they are law breakers, dirty, rude, crude, and obnoxius. We patriots, on the other hand, are just the opposite. So yes, we are very different. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • dixiesuzan

    The so-called Occupiers living places look like a 3rd world refuge site. Go look up what happens at those places. Poor hygiene, poor food, people with contageous diseases, close packing, poor or no toilet facilities and eventually contaminated water. First outbreak is usually cholera, though not guaranteed as #1. The cities hacve a duty to NOT allow this to happen in public parks. That is where, evemn if the campers are driven out, the ground becomes contaminated. To allow some contageous diseases to start in the center of a city is frankly a form of germ warfare. It can be prevented, city government officials know what happens, they acquiesce for political expedience, and who is to blame when some plague breaks out? Radical extremists not them. This is exactly what city health and safety codes are there for. No body gives a hoot how many get sick and die, all to gain political points and maybe get more power and money during martial law.

    • Mike in MI

      Congratulations, Dixiesue!!! -
      Right…on…the…money, girl.
      But those people don’t worry about such things. After all, Obama has convinced them he is going to provide them with medical care FREE FOREVER. And everybody knows it’ll be the very best medicine has to offer everytime, everywhere. Best of all everybody knows medicine can cure EVERYTHING.
      The only thing they can’t cure is “liberal cerebritis”. I’m serious. The screwed up liberal chaotic mental functions produce high levels of stress which defeats the operations of the immune system and other organs. A weak immune system promotes diseaseS and which lead to early death.
      That’s why you “can’t cure STEUPEID” – Mr. Ron White.

    • http://deleted Claire

      Hmmmm, city codes, city regulations, etc.? I thought everyone wanted rid of all programs, no more regulations of any kind?

      • http://naver samurai

        How are your dogs these days, Claire? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Lasse

    Bill Lee hit a good point. I’ve travelled in some third world countries, good part of Europe, Scandanavia and Russia. One of my conclusions was that, those who whine about conditions and lack of opportunity, etc, in the US of A should visit almost any other country in the world and I would guarantee them a new perspective on what “poor and suppression” is.
    As citizens we have a responsibility to keep our representives feet to the fire but there’s a fine line between constitutionality and anarchy. These “squatters” represent a microcosm of the results when there’s no leadership, disapline or personnel responibility.

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniel

    I have been listening to the stupid ones saying we must cut back on spending. keep on spending to bring us out of resession.lets just stay on a spending spree that has been going on and we all will come out rich… I’m enlightened.. if all you fleebagger supporters are ever fortunate enough to open a checking account at one of these horrible banks , i am sure there will be a day of reconing take place when you finaly learn you have to have money in the bank to keep writing checks. your great guru obummer hasnt learned that yet.. or better said he could care less as long as he can completely take us down .. only an idiot would support that plan…

  • jopa

    Benjamin: Ben sure didn’t strike a nerve with me, I didn’t even watch his tape this time.I didn’t mind when Sarah Palin winked at me but for him to always be winking at me is uncomfortable.Whats with the fuzzy face he has, the eye problem was bad enough!!

    • http://naver samurai

      Still get tingles down your leg when Obama bin Laden speaks, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Zack

    Tracie you are, at best, delusional.

  • Zack

    My apologies to Tracie. My comment was meant for Ericka.

  • Zack

    Tracie I believe the current Marxist now occupying the W/H wants to use water cannons on the OWS anarchists so that he may then deploy the National Guard, declare martial law, and make himself dictator for life, ala Fidel, Stalin, Chavez, etc. He knows he doesn’t stand a chance of being re-elected in 2012 but, sees his opportunity in taking over the Country via martial law.

    • JC

      He doesn’t have a chance under martial law either.
      The English tried that a long time ago…
      it didn’t work for them either.

    • Karolyn

      BS!

      • http://naver samurai

        OMG! We agree on something. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Stephen

    I find it interesting how evetyone is attacking the fleabaggers, yet everyone seems to have forgotten the S.O.B.’s who put the worlds economy into the next great depression. Am I for the fleabaggera, no, but I think we should concentrate on the politicians and wall street scum who put us in this financial mess. Scum like Ronald Reagan ( who got rid of the Glass/Stiegal act) both Bushes, Clinton and Obama. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the fleabaggers were paid to lead others to go to wall street to keep the media attention on them and not the political and wall street scum.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Glass/Stegal like the Comm Reinvestment Act were changed under the Klinton years. While Wall Street did sell derivitives all over the planet . . . it was what was in those derivitives that caused the collapse. So, what was that? Worthless mortgages, because the Comm Reinvestment Act encouraged giving mortgages to ALL . . . promise to get a job . . . sign here!!! Trillions of worthless paper were packaged by Fannie/Freddie. Who oversaw this process? Why none other than Bawney Fwank, in charge of FF and Dodd, in charge of the SEC. They should both be locked up with Bernie . . . but instead they wrote the new regs. that are killing business in the US.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

      OWS is a diversion by the extreme left to create a smokescreen for the incompetent O’bammy during the 2012 campaign. 4 more years of O’bammy will make everyone “Equal” . . . just like the folks in Kuba!!!

  • Jay

    Creating A Free America

    For many years people have attempted to change the system by aiming their grievances and suggestions at politicians in power. I believe such efforts should continue – once in a while, people in power do make beneficial changes. But I also believe that a nation is made up of individuals.

    America will be free, healthy, and prosperous when its individuals are free, healthy, and prosperous. By increasing our freedom, health, and prosperity as individuals, we can eventually create a free, healthy, prosperous America. So we start with ourselves, individual by individual.

    There is a principle of action and reaction, force and counter-force – first formulated by Isaac Newton. This also applies to political systems. If you push against a system to change it, that system may very well push back at you. Paradoxically, the state usually gets stronger when people push against it. It says, “All these evil people are trying to destroy the state, therefore we need more police, more soldiers, more money.”

    So we use a different strategy. We withdraw from the state. We build our individual defenses, so the government raiders can’t loot our wealth. We create our own free and private institutions. And should the politicians, bureaucrats, and their handmaiden-lawyers attack us, we shall beat them back more often than not. We shall use their energy and effort to strengthen ourselves and to persuade many more people to join our ranks. This way, I believe, we will create a free, healthy, wealthy America.

    “It is therefore the inhabitants themselves who permit, or, rather, bring about, their own subjection, since by ceasing to submit they would put an end to their servitude. A people enslaves itself, cuts its own throat, when, having a choice between being vassals and being free men, it deserts its liberties and takes on the yoke, gives consent to its own misery, or, rather, apparently welcomes it…

    Everyone knows that the fire from a little spark will increase and blaze ever higher as long as it finds wood to burn; yet without being quenched by water, but merely by finding no more fuel to feed on, it consumes itself, dies down, and is no longer a flame.

    Similarly, the more tyrants pillage, the more they crave, the more they ruin and destroy; the more one yields to them, and obeys them, by that much do they become mightier and more formidable, the readier to annihilate and destroy. But if not one thing is yielded to them, if, without any violence they are simply not obeyed, they become naked and undone and as nothing, just as, when the root receives no nourishment, the branch withers and dies…

    I do not know how it happens that nature fails to place within the hearts of men a burning desire for liberty, a blessing so great and so desirable that when it is lost all evils follow thereafter, and even the blessings that remain lose taste and savor because of their corruption by servitude. Liberty is the only joy upon which men do not seem to insist; for surely if they really wanted it they would claim it. Apparently they refuse this wonderful privilege because it is so easily acquired…

    He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you.

    Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you? What could he do to you if you yourselves did not connive with the thief who plunders you, if you were not accomplices of the murderer who kills you, if you were not traitors to yourselves?

    You sow your crops in order that he may ravage them, you install and furnish your homes to give him goods to pillage; you rear your daughters that he may gratify his lust; you bring up your children in order that he may confer upon them the greatest privilege he knows – to be led into his battles, to be delivered to butchery, to be made the servants of his greed and the instruments of his vengeance; you yield your bodies unto hard labor in order that he may indulge in his delights and wallow in his filthy pleasures; you weaken yourselves in order to make him the stronger and the mightier to hold you in check.

    From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces.

    http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/rape12.shtml

    • Karolyn

      Very powerful words, Jay, but how do we put it into practical action? How can we be free while toppling the upper echelon. What can we do to “serve no more.”

      • Jay

        It all begins with you, it all begins with me, with all of us united. Rather than, united we strike or united we fight, united we refuse! No guns, no violence, and no demonstrations, just refuse, or nullify.

        Every member of a jury has the right and the duty to judge both the facts and the law. A jury member may find an accused not guilty for reasons of conscience or because he or she regards the law as bad.

        This is called jury nullification. It is one of the checks and balances in the American system of government. Thomas Jefferson called it the most important check.

        The American judicial system has been subverted and corrupted by judges who don’t inform juries of their right of jury nullification. However, in some parts of the country people know they have this right and duty. I have been told that the IRS has hardly won a case against a tax protestor in Montana in 20 years, because of jury nullification.

        In my opinion, our best hope for “changing the system” is through jury nullification. Imagine what would happen if a significant percentage of the population knew they had the right and duty of jury nullification.

        The bad laws would be effectively nullified. And, heaven forbid, should you ever end up in court, it would help a great deal if at least one of the jury members knew about jury nullification. It just takes one jury member out of twelve to prevent you from being convicted when you have been accused of contravening a bad or unconstitutional law, or if the judge refuses to let you use the Constitution in your defense.

        So it may be worth your while to spread the jury nullification message. Contact the Fully Informed Jury Association, PO Box 59, Helmville, MT 59843 – 1-800-TEL-JURY.

        http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html

        • Jay

          Over the past few years, but especially during the past several months, there has been an extraordinary revival of interest in Thomas Jefferson’s idea of state nullification of unconstitutional federal laws.

          According to Jefferson, if the federal government were to monopolize constitutional interpretation, it would of course interpret the Constitution in its own favor and consistently uncover previously unknown reservoirs of additional federal power. Only a fool would consent to such a system, thought Jefferson, and the peoples of the states were not fools.

          Needless to say, nullification is nowhere to be found on the three-by-five card on which our betters have written out the range of allowable opinion, so it has been greeted with the usual hysteria from predictable quarters.

          The latest, and to my mind most laughable, example comes from Sean Wilentz, a history professor at Princeton, writing in The New Republic. The subtitle of Professor Wilentz’s article “The Essence of Anarchy” is “America’s long, sordid affair with nullification.”

          What Professor Wilentz omits in his alleged history of that “long, sordid affair” could fill an entire book. and indeed just weeks ago I announced the impending release of my own book on precisely this subject. (Nullification will cover the origins and theory of nullification, its forgotten nineteenth-century history, modern applications of the idea, and much else.) For now I’ll note the New England states that appealed to nullification (or interposition) against President Jefferson’s embargo, against what they considered the unconstitutional calling up of the New England militia during the war of 1812, against the use of military conscription, and against a law providing for the enlistment of minors.

          Pretty “sordid,” huh?

          In addition to other examples, we might also refer to the legislature of Wisconsin, which as late as 1859 was quoting from Jefferson’s Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 in opposition to unconstitutional aspects of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Sordid, I tell you. Here’s the text of a handbill that circulated in Milwaukee in the 1850s:

          All the People of this State, who are opposed to being made SLAVES or SLAVE-CATCHERS, and to having the Free Soil of Wisconsin made the hunting-ground for Human Kidnappers, and all who are willing to unite in a STATE LEAGUE, to defend our State Sovereignty, our State Courts, and our State and National Constitutions, against the flagrant usurpations of U.S. Judges, Commissioners, and Marshals, and their Attorneys; and to maintain inviolate those great Constitutional Safeguards of Freedom — the WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS and the RIGHT OF TRIAL BY JURY — as old and sacred as Constitutional Liberty itself; and all who are willing to sustain the cause of those who are prosecuted, and to be prosecuted in Wisconsin, by the agents and executors of the Kidnapping Act of 1850, for the alleged crime of rescuing a human being from the hands of kidnappers, and restoring him to himself and to Freedom, are invited to meet at YOUNGS’ HALL, IN THIS CITY, THURSDAY, APRIL 13TH, at 11 o’clock A.M., to counsel together, and take such action as the exigencies of the times, and the cause of imperiled Liberty demand.

          What’s that? A “state league” to defend “state sovereignty” on behalf of human freedom against the “flagrant usurpations” of the federal government? How sordid!

          Do you suppose Professor Wilentz teaches that at Princeton? Does he even know about it?

          What Professor Wilentz also omits, and perhaps doesn’t know, is that abolitionists who opposed the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 expressly endorsed nullification and even referred to John C. Calhoun by name in support of their ideas. A shame Professor Wilentz wasn’t around to tell them that only a “racist” would refer to the wicked Calhoun, and that mature adults should never be allowed simply to consider his ideas on their merits.

          Wilentz spends some of his time giving us a 60-year-old interpretation of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, where nullification and interposition were first expressly advanced, as if no scholarship had appeared since then. He tells us that Jefferson was “in a panic” when he drafted the Kentucky Resolutions. In other words, Jefferson wasn’t really in his right mind, so we can excuse him for dreaming up crazy constitutional ideas that irritate Princeton professors.

          Whether he realizes it or not, Wilentz is here repeating the thesis of Adrienne Koch and Harry Ammon, from their 1948 William and Mary Quarterly article “The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions: An Episode in Jefferson’s and Madison’s Defense of Civil Liberties.” Koch and Ammon suggest that nullification was really just an ad hoc response to an emergency situation rather than an enduring constitutional doctrine in its own right.

          Unfortunately for Wilentz, the subject has been explored a teensy bit further in the six decades since then. As Kevin Gutzman shows in his book Virginia’s American Revolution: From Dominion to Republic, 1776—1840, Jefferson did not invent nullification in a moment of haste. The germ of nullification is directly traceable to the Virginia ratifying convention of 1788 (and indeed even into the colonial period).

          There, supporters of the Constitution insisted that the federal government would possess only the powers “expressly delegated” to it, and that Virginia would be “exonerated” should the federal government ever reach for a power beyond those delegated. Edmund Randolph and George Nicholas assured Virginians of these principles in so many words. Both men served on the five-man committee that was to draft Virginia’s ratification instrument. Randolph went on to serve as U.S. attorney general, and Nicholas as attorney general of Kentucky.

          Continued: http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods131.html

      • Firefly

        When you have experienced God in your life and discover the power of prayer you will be able to change laws and help elect men and women to office by it’s power alone. That is something that mature Christians know but to many never go beyond just having their sins forgiven. They are justified (in God’s eyes) by their faith but there is much more and it takes forever to learn it all. Fortunately those who accept God’s forgiveness and love God have forever to learn it. “Ask and you shall receive” but you must know how and when to ask and that must be learned. I read that some are criticizing you for criticizing the lives of some who call themselves Christian. I cannot comment on that directly but I can say that all will have to answer for their actions, forgiven or unforgiven, when they leave this temporary earth. No one, Christian or otherwise gets away with anything. It’s a foundational principle of the Universe. What you sow you will reap, next month, next year or in a thoussand years. That is why Jesus said you should not even hate your enemies, not even those who want to destroy this country. Fight them for all you are worth but do not hate them. You have a wonderful experience in store if you ever learn the power of prayer and then you will know what to do.

  • Zack

    Bravo Jay! Well stated.

  • Karolyn

    Here’s a really good and OBJECTIVE report on the OWS protesters from behind the lines.
    http://theelevationgroup.net/occupy-wall-street/occupy-wall-street-behind-the-barricades-in-search-of-the-truth/

    I believe it was after this blog was written that the vet was injured by police, resulting in even more vets joining in on the protests.

  • Average Joe

    As usual Ben, Great stuff. BTW, I have to say that I like the new look. Keep up the great work and commentary!

  • Karolyn

    The amount of ego displayed here never fails to amaze me! *(especially from Ben Crystal who gets unfunnier every week). So many holier-than-thou, judgmental conservatives (mostly Christians) denigrating their fellow Americans who don’t see things the way they do. The amount of bile that is spewed is truly hateful and not worthy of anyone, let alone people calling themselves Christians. I am so glad I do not have to associate with anyone with so much animosity toward their fellow human beings.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Karolyn, for not wanting to associate yourself with people like us, you sure spend alot time on PLD ridiculing those of us who don’t think like you__Can anyone say Hypocrit???? :P

      • Karolyn

        Angel – I do not generally discuss politics with people I associate with. This is my only outlet.

        • JC

          Really? Heck I talk to perfect strangers about it face to face.
          I love it when I’m in an elevator and they put the Kenyan on the little screen…As I leave the elevator I say “God Damned Communist” and keep walking. End of discussion. ;) lol

          • http://deleted Claire

            I remember a lot of comments: “Keep your powder dry” “Lock and Load”–”A revolution is coming.” Now that people are rebelling against the establishment, some people have changed their tune. Now they are against the rebelling that is going on. Sure, the Occupy crowd should conduct themselves in a more civil manner, they need an organizer, someone in charge, a leader. Perhaps this is the “revolution” people predicted? I do not participate in the tea party, nor the Occupy Wall Street crowd, and I won’t until such time they get their heads on straight. Republicans as well as Democrats participate in these groups. I am all for demonstrations, marches, etc. providing they are held in a civil manner. Which is the applicable old adage: “Fight fire with fire” or “You get more with honey than you do vinegar.” Seems to me, neither will apply to this chaotic situation. However, this is just the beginning and who knows how it will end.
            Now a policeman has been injured. What will be the outcome of this? Who knows. Some posts have mentioned “martial law.” Well, this could happen.

          • bob wire

            LOL! Good points Claire.

            They have changed their tone haven’t they?

            How would like to hitch your revolution to their horse?

            It’s as I always thought, ~ 90% hot air. It’s not uncommon to see good ideas get hyjacked by hjackers and offer bad results. This goes for everyone.

      • http://naver samurai

        Can we say Karolyn just got put back into her place? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • bob wire

          If you mean Karolyn’s posting having been addressed and discredited, I would be left to say , No, not at all.

          If you think otherwise, it might be explained as something, some bias that you yourself introduced as you read and not included in any part of the text posting samurai.

          I seriously doubt if any of you walk through you day to day lives, speaking in hash tones and behaving like a rabid dog. Such contemptible behavior would get you killed or imprisoned. At the very least, men in white suits and butterfly nets would be hot on your trail and your shirt tail a flopping as you ran.

          No, I think most here are just windbag braggarts that enjoy the ambiguity of cyberspace to spout their contempt for a society that has long rejected them for their civil clumsiness, sociopath behavior and the center of the universe mentality.

          • http://naver samurai

            Nice rant there Bob, but this is only your opinion. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            I think you have also described yourself pretty well. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • bob wire

            Thank you. I’m gracious for your consideration. I learned to rant with the best, having several good teachers along the way, reinforced with ranting Church Services four times a week for many,many years.

            But we never refereed to it as ranting but just “shucking down the corn”

            I crafted it with you in mind. You’d enjoy a good “come to Jesus meeting” I can tell.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yeah, I probably would go to one of them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Christin

      Karolyn,

      UT OH, I just heard you BASH Christians AGAIN…

      Again, I say, girlfriend… You Lie.

      • http://naver samurai

        I feel sorry for Karolyn. She believes what her communist professors and some left wing books tell her and she always discredits the Bible. She must be a very small and lonely person. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Christin

          Samurai,

          She is a disgruntled former Catholic… frankly, I can understand. There are several like this who post on this site who can not stand Christianity and have either dismissed it altogether, becoming atheist, or made up a religion and a god they can accept, as is her case.

          The Catholic religion keeps them in BONDAGE to their laws that are NOT Biblical… ie.:
          * memorizing the ‘Catholic Creed’ written by man, which keeps them away from the Word of God which is God Spirit filled Holy Bible;
          * keep them ‘group chanting’ in church and not being and individual thinking on their own connecting to God’s Word;
          * they confess their sins to a man behind a wall and say a few ‘hail Mary’s’, instead of going straight to Jesus for forgiveness;
          * break the 1st Commandment by praying to Mary, mother of Jesus… she is NOT deity;
          * go to mass on Saturday night and allowed to live like hell the rest of the week… we worship on Sunday when Jesus rose from the dead;
          * do NOT allow their monseigneurs (pastors) or bishops to marry, this is NOT Biblical, thus their is much homosexuality (sin);
          * only acknowledge and allow Catholics to partake the ‘Lord’s Supper / Communion’, not ALL Christians… this is NOT Biblical…. “Jesus says, come ALL who are tired and wary laden”, he did not say only those who profess the Catholicism religion;
          * the head of Catholicism is the Pope in the Vatican (Spiritual machine for the NWO), but Jesus is the Bride Groom (Head) of Christianity.

          I say find a ‘Bible Believing’ and ‘Bible Practicing’ church that sticks to the Bible and does NOT add to OR delete anything… then you will find the true living God.

          • Karolyn

            Christin – Why are you Catholic bashing? I am not a disgruntled Catholic. I haven’t practiced Catholicism in probably 20 years, and for about 15 I was a Bible-thumping Christian. I have no problem with it other than the pushiness and hypocrisy. I just no longer believe in it.

          • http://naver samurai

            If you were a Bible thumping Christian, as you say, then why did you stop believing and turn into the way you are now? She was talking about how the Catholic Church operates. I don’t know, because I’m not Catholic and never have been. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Then why do you bash Christianity for its so called treatment of women? We are created equal in the eyes of God, right?

          • libertytrain

            frankly I find it unChristian to bash other Christians… very judgmental and very unChrist-like.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said Libertytrain. Karolyn does need to grow up. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            my comment was not at all aimed at Karolyn.

          • http://naver samurai

            Then I apollogize to Karolyn and to you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Helen2

    There were a lot of posts by the time I got on this site. And I had a lot of things I wanted to say, so this post is separated into paragraphs, each one addressing a different issue I wanted to speak about. Each paragraph starts out with the person’s name who did the original post so you would know what I was talking about.

    SC you made a comment to R AKA Einstein about him squawking like a retarded parrot. My brother was retarded and he would never have said some of the things that are being touted by the liberals on this website. He may have been retarded and he knew he was, but one thing about it, he wasn’t stupid. He knew evil when he saw it and he called it for what it was – evil. He loved basketball, but when the Trailblazers (we’re from Oregon) started having problems with their guys doing drugs and getting into trouble, he started calling them Jailblazers. So in my estimation, R was not squawking like a retarded parrot, he was squawking like one who doesn’t know right from wrong. I cared for my brother after our parents died and was protective of him and still get a little upset over the inappropriate use of the word retarded.

    Mike in MI – you’re right we need to turn off the charity spigot. We can start by cutting all foreign aid to any of the countries that vote against us in the UN. Why should we pay money each year to our enemies? It doesn’t make them like us any better and we could certainly use the money here at home.

    Alex, you’re wrong, God does hold a special spot for Christians. We are the ones that accepted what His son did for us – dieing on the cross for our sins. And if you think God loves everyone even ones of no faith, then you are sadly mistaken. Yes, He loved everyone enough to send His son to die for us, but if people won’t accept what Jesus did for us, you can count on God not being happy with you. By not accepting Jesus as your Savior, you are saying to God that it made no difference to you that He sent His son to die for everyone. At the final judgement, if you are one that has no faith at all, you will be unpleasantly surprised to find out that God does care that you choose to ignore what Christ did for you on the cross.

    Jopa – I have seen a lot of videos of teabaggers doing what they do. I have never seen one that had a bunch of old senile dirty looking seniors. Seniors know how to keep themselves clean, just like the young do and everyone I have witnessed has been clean and none of them were urinating on the sidewalks or defecating on police cars. They were all very respectful of people’s property rights.

    Cheryl Lynn – very good post. Thank you for it.

    Tracie – I couldn’t agree more. I have never been hired by a poor person. In addition, I had my own business for a while. And though I did not have hundreds of employees, I did have a staff of 5 full time and 3 part time people. And two of my employees were veterans, one fresh back from his tour in Iraq. I wasn’t rich, by a long shot and actually went into the hole because according to my accountant, I paid my employees too well. Then along came Obummer and my business went belly up in a matter of six weeks. I did my best to create jobs, and the government did their best to take them away. They obviously did a better job than I did, because my business is gone. And I am still in touch with the people I worked for and the government has not created any jobs to help them. Could be because no one in the government is equipped to write maintenance manuals for aircraft?? I’m not exactly sure why it was necessary to tax me out of business, but I guess they had their reasons.

    I certainly hope we can regain control of our Republic. I don’t like the idea of having another civil war pitting Americans against Americans. It would be great if they would just impeach Obummer. But, I’m not holding my breath. His eligibility has nothing to do with his birth certificate being forged, though it was. It has everything to do with his father not being an American, Obummer having gone to school on the public’s dime by claiming to be a foreign student and the fact his Social Security card is from Connecticut, where he has never lived. All those are reasons enough to impeach him.

    Like I’ve said about congress before, “Do your job fools!”

    • Alex

      Thank you for the personal message.
      I am not a person without faith.
      I just do not believe that any human can tell us what God wants, and I believe that those who profess to know whatGod wants are really after your money and/or your influence.

      • bob wire

        Well, your heart and mind is in the general area Alex.

        God or the Divine is not a person, so there is no “he” or “she”

        Nor is there any issues of “want” or “wanting” of the Divine.

        It is only man that “wants”.

        I understand such notions and thoughts will be rejected by most as this fails to fit nicely inside their context of GOD. Oh well? let it be as it shall be.

        We seem to be at a place where man is forming notions of his God and creating a god of his own choosing. A god like himself, a “man” that is subject to the weakness of man. To want , to feel pain, to lust and desire, to anger, to be jealous, vengeful and “LOVE”

        These views are taught from the pulpit and have been for centuries. So it’s little wonder people hold these notions of God today. It’s all they know.

        Ben Crystal’s Thread and (most) of the following posting are a “celebration in hate” by people that claim that they know God and what God wants is most comical ~ and so very sad.

        Man did not create the Divine. The Divine has created a garden with all the “things” in it and left it to man with “free will” and his “thoughts”.

        That this “free will” is being somewhat abused is the misfortunes of man as he can’t seem to control his thoughts or his tongue and baths in matters of the flesh, being off target and out of bounds at every opportunity.

        What is it about hate that offers us some much satisfaction and pleasure?

        • Karolyn

          Thanks, bob, for a good post!

        • http://naver samurai

          You mean the doctrine of free will and freedom to choose? This means do you believe in God and serve him yes or no. That is the doctrine of free will. The free will you describe is the one made by human beings this “I can do anything I want” nonsense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • bob wire

            As a “faithful” Christian, the choice is to serve the Divine seeing no other. Your notions of God and God’s will, another matter entirely. If your free will was in Gods hands today, you would not hate and speak of hate as you do samurai.

            Hate clouds the mind and diminishes the spirit,fostering uncertainty and insecurity, the reasons for Cain killing his mothers second son Able.

          • http://naver samurai

            Are you sure Able wasn’t born first? Cain killed Able out of jealousy, because God did not accept his offering. Why? It could be that Cain purposely held back on the sacrifice, by being stingy on the amount offered. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Ashley

    You guys are mean people…..This is the problem with our Country, we are fighting so much between ourselves based on what party we’re in, bringing each other down bc people dont have the same opinions as you and its sad :( What’s worse, alot of you are proclaiming to be Christians and we need God, and blah blah blah….I’d consider listening when some of you start acting how Christians should….Shame on all of you!

    • JC

      Hug? :)

    • http://naver samurai

      Judge not lest ye be judged. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • JC

      It isn’t about “opinions” or “party affiliations” Ashley.
      It’s about the culmination of years of of communist policies subverting American values. BOTH party’s are guilty and that’s an observation, not an opinion. So yes, it’s getting ugly as the the American’s and the commies square off. So either get a mitt and get in the game, or get out of the way.
      There won’t be any warm fuzzy hugs until this country is either once again American, or it is lost…and lost is not an option.

      • Ashley

        Are you sure its not?b/c in an earlier reply i had above from someone they kept referring to me as you liberal and us conservatives….And I’ve seen it in other comments….Although im not doubting that this country isnt a crap shoot at the moment…I just happen to believe that some of the reasons people are giving for it are exaggerated or just plain not true…And please before I have any hateful comments notice i said some…

        • JC

          Ashley there are two forces at play here, and the animosity has a historical trail that is culminating in what may end up a civil war.
          One side is programmed to believe that “evil capitalists” are the source of all their problems. The other side are more Constitutionally based and also se problems with the system. Crony capitalism and fiat currency being the source.
          Both are angry…but only one is pro-American. The other (whether it knows it or not) is communist in nature.

          I stand with the Americans, firmly and to the death against communism.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said and couldn’t have said it better myself. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Ashley__ ANOTHER post about how mean we are?_-There was one up farther on the thread…are ya really getting anywhere with the wah wahs or are you trying to hijack the conversation?__this isn’t PC territory love! :)

  • Thinking About

    Let’s see, start controlling the time and who can protest (modify the First Amendment) and then we can go to the Second Admendment, control the size and number of guns we can have and then go on to deciding what religions can be practiced. The would be a great start in reforming the US.

  • aldon

    hey ben the beard has to go!

  • jopa

    Helen2; You are right about the seniors being clean and respectful in the Teabagger marches however some of the younger ones that were spitting on the black representatives were a total disgrace to America.The OWS movement is much larger and there will tend to be a few more radical actions that do not represent the majority.I believe many of the sights on stations like Fox news are fabricated and not even associated with OWS events.Fox has a record of such misrepresentations such as the palm trees in Wisconsin video.Never rely on one source for your information being that everyone has their own agenda it seems.

    • http://naver samurai

      They are no worse then the other msm stations and networks. Just like a lib to always say, fox news, baaaaa! Tea Party, baaaaa! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

    Ben
    You got it wrong again the TB was confirmed in two individuals who live in the homeless shelter no in the Occupy Atlanta encampment. Veterans(something your not)have started to join the Occupy Movement at many locations
    Times they are a Changing

    • bob wire

      Sarg, being on the wrong side of history seems to be something they excel at. I would not expect any of them to change this late in the game. Not until we hear a apology for the years of supporting 43′s foreign policy might I expect any change. They are right! and have got God on their side. End of story. They are asking, demanding change from everyone but themselves as they defend their position at the feed trough and the bigger pig that allows them eat.

      I don’t know where all these protest are going or what might be the final outcome. The all encompassing will not be written for review, discussed and any one consensus made for years. But one thing is certain, changes needs to be made in places the Tea Party dare not go and our elected officials too faint of heart or shy the conviction to try.

      Only under the pressure of a massive uprising might such matters as fraud and serious conflicts of interest in the highest of places ever be addressed.

    • Jay

      (October 7, 2011) Ron Paul says that the Wall Street protests are legitimate, and that they are really protesting against the Federal Reserve.

      One of the protest organizers tells me that a large proportion of the protesters are Ron Paul supporters. Most of them believe that ending the Federal Reserve is the most important step to restore our country’s prosperity.

      Remember, even the Wall Street Journal has called for the Fed to be broken up.

      As I have extensively documented, the Fed is largely responsible for the economic crisis, and has failed to meet a single one of its stated mandates (let alone its implied ones).

      The Fed has been enabler-in-chief for the corruption rampant on Wall Street.

      And as I noted Tuesday:

      Some very well-known economists also support ending the Fed.

      For example, Milton Friedman said:

      “This evidence persuades me that at least a third of the price rise during and just after World War I is attributable to the establishment of the Federal Reserve System… and that the severity of each of the major contractions — 1920-1, 1929-33 and 1937-8 is directly attributable to acts of commission and omission by the Reserve authorities.

  • Jay

    The final account on this revelation of Talmudic Law which cannot be ignored is that of the Noahide (or ‘Noachide’) Laws. Even though the Noahide Laws proceed solely from the Talmud — not the Old Testament — they do not pertain to the Jews. They are laws constructed by the Pharisees and made part of their ‘holy book’, intended to be the foundation of world law for all Gentiles. Gentiles will become Hasidic Gentiles (grafted into, yet not part of, the tribe) or, it is promised, they — together with their women and children — will be exterminated

    Being solely a product of the Pharisees — a figment of their warped imaginations — one could easily dismiss the Noahide Laws as nonessential, unimportant, and especially not worthy of our concern. To do that, though, would be as ignorant (and dangerous) as my remark about the former Israeli Supreme Court Justice, Menachem Elon, and his quotation from Maimonides’ pronouncement that:

    “Every town and country must follow all the customs, give effect to the decrees, and carry out the enactments of the Talmudic Sages. . . “.

    When I quipped “who cares?”, little did I know that the U.S. Supreme Court is receiving briefs based solely on the Talmud!!! . . . and that law colleges today are establishing Talmudic Law departments for aspiring young Jew — as well as non-Jew — lawyers.

    If that doesn’t shatter your mind, you aren’t getting it! The U.S. Supreme Court was established under the Constitution for the United States of America, and was ostensibly established solely to hear matters of Constitutionality on the laws promulgated by state and federal legislation!

    The ostensible purpose of the Constitution and the U.S. Supreme Court is questionable and worthy of mention here, since we are discovering how far-reaching the long arm of the law has become, incorporating Talmudic tenets into the very lowest to the highest courts in this land. . . stretching around the globe to complete its serpentine stranglehold over our very lives.

    In fact, the question has been answered, according to Ralph Boryszewski’s research – with full documentation in his book, The Constitution That Never Was.

    THE JUDICIAL SECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION WAS NOT COMPLETED BY THE ‘FOUNDERS’, LEAVING THE ESTABLISHMENT AND RULES OF THE COURTS TOTALLY UP TO THE THEN-SITTING U.S. CONGRESS, MOST OF THEM LAWYERS. In Article III, Section 1, the Constitution states that:

    The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

    The Constitution was drafted in 1787 behind closed doors with windows nailed shut against any who might wish to hear the historical debates. From May to October — the hottest months of the year in sultry Philadelphia — the fifty-five delegates sweated it out in an unventilated room about 40′ x 40′. Secrecy was the method by which they framed the Constitution and the American people.

    James Madison was the front man in bringing the Con-Con about. When the delegates arrived from their various states they were given instructions to only amend the Articles of Confederation. Madison had the main draft of the intended new constitution ready and awaiting its opportunity to be presented. After some arguing and heated debate, the delegates agreed to form a committee-of-the-whole.

    Therein a motion was offered, seconded, and passed. Washington (the cannot-tell-a-lie guy) rapped the gavel and announced that “the Articles of Confederation are hereby dissolved” (or words to that effect).

    The question now is: Who was working behind the scenes with Madison to draft the treasonous constitution?

    IT IS CLEAR THAT WITHOUT THE FIRST TEN ARTICLES OF AMENDMENT ADDED TO THAT “CONSTITUTION” WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SQUASHED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

    The attempted fraud was foiled with the addition of those Articles of Amendment; usurpation of power at the federal level could NEVER have occurred without the acquiescence of state legislatures, and the damage could be undone today if those state lawmakers (for God’s sake!) knew, understood and actually cared about what they and their predecessors have done. Ralph Boryszewski explains how the betrayal was pulled off, pp 138-139:

    “When many of the people in the ratifying conventions balked because of the great potential powers of the federal judiciary and because the document did not contain a Bill of Rights, George Washington and other leaders told the people to first approve the constitution and then to submit proposed amendments to the First Congress.

    “The First congress accepted Bill of Rights proposals because there was such a persistent organized clamor for them, but they ignored all of the many changes to the Judicial Article proposed by the people from the various ratifying conventions. There was a sinister reason for this — the Senate was operating behind locked doors just as the Constitutional Convention had previously operated in secrecy.

    “Almost two years later on April 7, 1789 Oliver Ellsworth, William Paterson, Caleb Strong, William Few, William Maclay, Paine Wingate and Richard Henry Lee were appointed to a Senate committee to bring in a bill for organizing the judiciary of the United States.

    “Of the seven members, the first four were lawyers who had served in the so-called Constitutional Convention. Those four lawyers along with Paine Wingate, an ardent Federalist, dominated the Committee. The bill passed by the Committee and submitted to the Senate and House consisted of thirty-five Sections containing about 8,500 words, which nearly doubled the 4,543 words contained in the Constitution. This wasn’t really a bill that could be signed into law; it was really an amendment to the Constitution, which created the Supreme and inferior courts.

    “The Act also created the office of Attorney General as well as a U.S. Attorney in each judicial district. The creation of the last two offices was for the purpose of establishing adversarial proceedings in the federal courts. Such proceedings were incapable of being implemented under the existing Constitution because when it was ratified in 1788, the Constitution only provided hearing Courts incapable of conducting adversarial proceedings.

    “Why should the American people have to submit to adversarial proceedings under which they would be forced to hire lawyers for their own defense? The adversarial system was terribly abused in the colonies under english rule. . .

    “Nineteen Congressmen and Senators, who had previously been members of the Constitutional Convention were serving in the First Congress. Under the leadership of Ellsworth in the Senate and Madison in the House, those former members had agreed many of the constitutional changes made in their plan to create the federal courts would never be approved by the people or the states.

    As a diversionary tactic, the Bill of Rights were introduced at about the same time. The Bill of Rights quickly consumed the interest of the people. This gave President Washington the opportunity to quietly sign the First Judiciary Act into law. That Act in reality was a multitude of amendments to the Constitution, as you will be shown.”

    The First Judiciary Act of 1789 could be said, then, to have become part and parcel to the Constitution — like an unconstitutional amendment – for that act did indeed establish the court system to their satisfaction and for their own nefarious purposes. Today the court system does not bring “justice”, and as we can plainly see, the myriad laws, rules, regulations, statutes, and the infamous “case-law” is modeled after the Talmud.

    We might ask before we leave off here, just why America was founded in the first place, and by whom? It has been asserted that America was founded to bring in the New World Order; when the plan is far enough along, Americans will be brought to their knees and America will be destroyed.

    “Destroyed” doesn’t necessarily mean the land itself will be devastated, because it appears this beautiful land is being readied as a playground for the elite. They are simply, slowly and surely, destroying the very fabric of our nation — morals, integrity, honor, love, compassion, along with the economy — while killing off the young, healthy, white males and females through their neverendingwar on terror.

    If this continues, within a generation only the old, infirm and mind-controlled youth will be alive. They will then send the old and infirm ‘elsewhere’, saving the mind-controlled youth to serve the ‘masters’. As a matter of fact — regarding the mind-controlled youth — that has been decided and explicitly stated in Protocol No. 15:

    “We must introduce into their education all those principles which have so brilliantly broken up their order.

    “But when we are in power we shall remove every kind of disturbing subject from the course of education and shall make out of the youth obedient children of authority, loving him who rules as the support and hope of peace and quiet.”

    Their ‘playground’ is being prepared by way of environmental and ecological regulations; the Wildlands Project:

    Rewilding America – re-introducing wild animals, poisonous snakes, etc. into areas heretofore abandoned by those species. In rural Pennsylvania the Game Commission has introduced mountain lions and timber wolves, denying their culpability whenever questioned, allegedly even lying to our state rep, Matt Baker, who claims he’s asked and they’ve denied;

    Rural Cleansing – removing people from the rural areas into the cities by destroying the farmers under insidious and unconstitutional ‘trade agreements’ (NAFTA/GATT/WTO);

    Creation of Watersheds – a back-door approach to regionalization;

    Habitat areas – where man may not tread, and so forth.

    That is not to say Weapons of Mass Destruction — including nuclear detonations — would be out of the question if enough Americans awakened and became actively involved to a point where it appeared the plan was going to falter.

    As we know though, the best laid plans of mice and men very often go astray.

    Why?

    Continued:http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution12.htm

  • Jay

    This method of execution for the faithful saints during this time is mentioned in the book of Revelation: “…and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;” (Rev 20:4)

    The deaths of which, will be seen as doing their “god” a favour according to this: “A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God.” (Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth)

    During this darkest time in human history, according to the Bible, beheading appears to be the universal method of slaying.

    The reason for this seemingly messy and impractical mode of execution has puzzled me for years, until I recently came across the little known “Noahide Laws.”

    These seven laws, to be implemented under the NWO, allows BEHEADING as THE form of capital punishment, principally for what the TALMUD regards as “Idolaters” and “Blasphemers,” or in reality – “Christ honouring” Christians.

    “For theological reasons, mostly rooted in ignorance, Christianity as a religion is classed by rabbinical teaching as idolatry. This is based on a crude interpretation of the Christian doctrines on the Trinity and Incarnation. All the Christian emblems and pictorial representations are regarded as ‘idols’ – even by those Jews who literally worship scrolls, stones or personal belongings of ‘Holy Men’.”

    – ‘Jewish History, Jewish Religion’ by Professor Israel Shahak

    “All this, and much more like it, proves beyond a doubt that when the Rabbis speak of the idols of the Gentiles among whom they lived at that time, when no idols were worshipped, they clearly meant the Christian “idol,” namely, the image of Christ on the crucifix and the Holy Communion.”

    – “The Talmud Judaism’s holiest book Unmasked” The Secret Jewish Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians By Rev. I. B. Pranaitis

    WHAT ARE THESE LAWS?

    The “Encyclopedia Americana” gives its explanation of the Noahide Laws, “Throughout the ages, scholars have viewed the Noahide Laws as a link between Judaism and Christianity, as universal norms of ethical conduct, as a basic concept of international law, or as a guarantee of fundamental human rights for all.”

    This explanation leads one to believe that everyone on earth will be bound by these seven laws.

    However, reliable reports from Jewish sources are that the Jew who lives according to the “Torah,” (certainly not the written Torah given to Moses, but rather the occult/Pharisaic traditions adopted from the mystery religions of ancient Babylon) is exempt.

    In other words, these seven Laws were only meant for non-Jews and are to be a direct substitute for the Biblical Ten Commandments.

    “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.” Talmud: Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

    Now does that sound like their “Torah” is the same as our Biblical Old Testament – I think not!

    So let’s briefly list these seven NOAHIDE LAWS :

    1. Thou shalt not engage in idol worship.
    2. Thou shalt not blaspheme God.
    3. Thou shalt not shed innocent blood of a human nor foetus nor ailing person who has a limited time to live.
    4. Thou shalt not engage in bestial, incestuous, adulterous, or homosexual relations nor commit…rape.
    5. Thou shalt not steal.
    6. Thou shalt establish laws and courts of law to administer these laws
    7. Thou shalt not be cruel to animals.

    The Jews wish to commence with the U.S. to be ruled by the Noahide Laws, (which at first glance seem to be something harmless and even moral) together with whatever is intrinsically implied in them.

    Seeing that “the devil is always in the details,” looking a little closer we can see that the real goal is to have the non-Jewish population of the United States totally subjected and ruled by judicial enactments that are exclusively managed, interpreted and manipulated by orthodox rabbis.

    The penalty for violation is clearly spelled out on page 1192 of the “Encyclopedia Judaica,”: ” violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by DECAPITATION.” Rather severe wouldn’t you think?

    So, if only one person steps forward to merely accuse any non-Jew of violating any one of these seven laws, that testimony alone – irrespective of the proven truth of the allegation, this would be enough for the sentence of death.

    Notice how Deuteronomy 17:6, clearly requires the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses before one who deserves death can be executed. In fact, the last sentence of verse 6 specifically states: “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall NOT be put to death.”

    WHO JUDGES THE JUDGES?

    These evil, satanic ghouls masquerading as the “chosen people,” will be represented by pompous, pious looking, bearded Rebbe – “sages,” and will possibly be the judges who cast the ultimat caesarean thumbs down vote for the sacrificial deaths of all tried and true believers that will have been Sealed as righteous by the Most High.

    “Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless, (non-Jews) is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.” (Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772)

    It will be simply ancient ritualistic murder that has existed down though the centuries that may culminate in our day, in rivers of blood.

    The Sacrament of Christian Communion will be transformed from wine, the symbolic blood of Jesus, to the real blood Of true believers, that will be freely shed under this new, Luciferic Theocracy!

    The Jews have always been idolaters whose principal god, Moloch, constantly demanded blood sacrifices, a FACT of which has been proven time and time again throughout history.

    Always remember as Biblical fact, that the Jewish establishment succeeded in the illegal trial and subsequent killing and blood-letting of Jesus Christ on the primary basis that He blasphemed God, which is Noahide Law number 2 – “Thou shalt not blaspheme God.” “Extermination of a Christian is a necessary sacrifice to God.” Zohar (II, 43a)

    Make no mistake, these remarkable and sickening quotes from the Talmud (Soncino Edition) here and elsewhere, are quite genuine and gleaned from a large variety of reliable sources, (mostly Jewish) at the time of compilation.

    These are but a few of the hundreds of Talmudic passages that deal with the recommended treatment of Christians.

    The non-Jewish world has suffered unbelievably and endured Zionist world terror for nearly a century, beginning with Jewish Bolshevism and Stalinism. Zionism and the World Jewish Congress have initiated two devastating World Wars, leaving 54 million people killed, with countless millions wounded in spirit soul and body.

    THIS is the reality of the Jewish Talmudic “legacy,” and there is much more to come.

    INTERNATIONAL LAW

    The Congress of the United States of America has declared that the seven universal laws commanded to Noah (the Noahide laws) are “the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization”. U.S. Congress, H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14, 1991.

    This sets the Noahide Laws as the primary basis for International Law, (read “New World Order”) to which all American law MUST conform.

    This unique public law remarkably singles out one particular Jewish group for special honour, saying that they embody the principles of these Noahide Laws.

    This group is the ultra-orthodox Lubavitch Movement, of the loony Habad Hasids Jews.

    AL GORE Letter 10 01-Nov-2000 Education Day USA: “Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform… Full support will be given to Israeli forces to reinvade PLO-controlled areas, with military assistance offered where necessary. Jewish courts will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha…And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law.”

    A nation governed by wisdom and moral law sounds reasonable, but it is the identical goal as expressed by the Orders of Freemasonry.

    In “The History of Freemasonry,” High Adept and Prince of Masonry – Albert Mackey, provides the sequel to the Egyptian/Cabbalist accounts of Noah. “After Noah’s emergence from the Ark, he is said to have promulgated seven precepts for the government of the new race of men of whom he was to be the progenitor… [1] To do justice [2] Worship God [3] Abstain from idolatry [4] Preserve chastity [5] Do not commit murder [6] Do not steal [7] Do not eat blood.”

    Mackey further identifies Noah as the originator of a “mystery religion’ known as the “Arkite Worship.”

    “The influence of Noah on Masonic doctrine is to be traced to the almost universal belief of men in the events of the deluge, and a consequent establishment in many nations of a system of religion known to ethnologists as the ‘Arkite Worship’…

    Hence arose that system known to modern scholars as the ‘Arkite Worship’ in whose rites and mysteries, which were eventually communicated to the other ancient religions. There were always some allusions to the events of the Noahic flood – to the Ark, as the WOMB OF NATURE, to the eight persons saved in it, as the Ogdoad or sacred number – and to the renovation of the world, as symbolizing the passage from death to immortal life.”

    THE REAL GOALS

    Here, hidden behind a facade of phoney, moral statutes and deliberately sympathetic phrases, are the real goals of the Noahide Laws:

    1. The replacement of the entire Old Testament and the total rejection of the NT
    2. The rejection of the atonement of Christ upon the Cross
    3. The rejection of the plan of salvation according to Acts 2:38
    4. The spying on one another to supply the one eyewitness needed to execute the death penalty
    5. The necessity of keeping the other 66 “lesser known laws”
    6. Circumcision of all males
    7. Eating only kosher foods
    8. Forbidding holding religious services of any type in a place that is not an approved assembly place for Noahides
    9. The death penalty for anyone, (Christians being the main target) that claims that God has spoken through them by way of teaching, preaching or writing, that is in any way contradictory to the establishment “worship system.”

    “The Christians are always singing about the blood. Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood! I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the guts of the last preacher.” (Chairman of the American Communist Party, Gus Hall).

    Continued: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=98&contentid=625&page=2

  • Jay

    Guillotines on American soil? What are they up to?

    Some of us may recall the video that was “some how” released to the general public of a man being electrocuted in Georgia. For those of us that saw the movie, “The Green Mile,” we know that if you do not place water on the sponge upon the mans head that is to die by electrocution, his death will be not only prolonged and extremely violent, his head will actually ignite during the process. Not a very pleasant death I might add. Fact is, many are aware, state executions are NEVER video taped! However, the tape of a man being electrocuted in Georgia did in fact somehow surface some years back. We also know that they did NOT place “water” as a necessary conductor in the sponge. Because the video did in fact show the man’s head igniting after he bounced around for quite some time in that chair.

    Question: Why do you suppose a video would surface of an execution, when video’s are NEVER made? And why do you suppose that “somehow” they forgot to place water on that sponge?

    Answer: The video was released so the American public can see it and complain of the “inhumane” methods used, thereby giving the government officials a springboard to start the lobbying for guillotines.

    This video is no mistake, and neither were the statements made afterwards regarding the graphic video. The prophecy declares that some WILL be killed by guillotine, and that is what must occur. So, the enemy will eventually figure out ways to get this done. NOT because they believe the prophecy, and want to do as the Almighty declares in the prophecy. Not at all! The fact is, the Almighty SAW this end result from the beginning and told us in advance in His prophetic Word. The wicked are merely doing what the Almighty already reported on. In other words, They WILL do it! Because our Lord SAW them do it!

    Not long after that video surfaced, many state officials including the governor started a massive campaign to stop executions by electrocution. What was their decided choice for execution you ask?A no brainer eh?

    THE GUILLOTINE!

    Some of you may be asking, why in this modern age we would have government officials lobbying for laws that would require guillotines as a way to kill those they deem evil? With all our technology, with all our civilized ways, with all our “humane” laws, what would drive men to kill with such a thing as a guillotine? MONEY! That’s right folks! It’s the exact same thing that moves the beast in Rome to do the things he does. The almighty dollar bill is what they worship and the almighty dollar bill is what directs their paths.

    We are living in an age when we see commercials on TV telling everyone in the USA to sign the backs of their drivers licences so they can harvest our organs for profit. Doctors all over the land lurk about like Egor in a Frankenstien flic waiting for their patients to show signs of fading. The doctors jump at the chance to harvest your dead loved ones before they even have a chance to get cold on the operating table. Think of it, you can get $40,000 for one kidney, imagine what an entire human body is worth with TWO kidney’s, two eyeballs, a heart, a liver, lungs, skin, gall bladders, bone marrow, blood, etc etc etc.

    The hospitals of the world have become literal body snatchers! Keep in mind as well, the governing officials of the world also see a cash cow in the executioners cage because they know what the doctors will pay them for those “fresh” organs. And the Almighty Creator knew of this long before ANY of our transplant surgeons were born. Isn’t that awesome how His prophecy works out? He doesn’t have to give us the morbid details as to WHY they will be using guillotines, he does tells us they will!

    So… let’s cut to the chase!

    Why would guillotines represent the better option? I am sure most of you have figured it out already eh?

    Why don’t they choose “lethal injection” as an alternative? That is a VERY humane way to break the sixth commandment isn’t it? Or what about cyanide gas? The same gas used on the Jews that was manufactured by the family business of John Paul II’s parents? I never heard of anyone igniting or screaming or writhing for 2 or 3 minutes in a gas chamber or on a lethal injection table. Have you?

    So why don’t they use those “so called” humane methods to kill the Christians they will eventually have in their jails? BECAUSE THE ORGANS WOULD BE POISONED AND NOT WORTHY OF HARVESTING!
    You can’t make money!

    Below is an excerpt from Bill #1274 in the Georgia House of Representatives. You can view the ENTIRE bill here… http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/sum/hb1274.htm I highlighted for obvious reasons… Notice how the bill lets the cat out of the bag as to WHY they want guillotines

    Georgia House of Representatives – 1995/1996 Sessions
    HB 1274 – Death penalty; guillotine provisions
    Code Sections – 17-10-38/ 17-10-44
    A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT

    1- 1 To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title 17 of the Official
    1- 2 Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the death penalty
    1- 3 generally, so as to provide a statement of legislative
    1- 4 policy; to provide for death by guillotine; to provide for
    1- 5 applicability; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other
    1- 6 purposes.

    SECTION 1.

    1- 8 The General Assembly finds that while prisoners condemned to
    1- 9 death may wish to donate one or more of their organs for
    1-10 transplant, any such desire is thwarted by the fact that
    1-11 electrocution makes all such organs unsuitable for
    1-12 transplant. The intent of the General Assembly in enacting
    1-13 this legislation is to provide for a method of execution
    1-14 which is compatible with the donation of organs by a
    1-15 condemned prisoner.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Ty for your efforts, Jay.

      God Bless.

      • http://naver samurai

        I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • BrotherPatriot

    I already posted this but thought it would good to do so here as well…

    As a former Navy SEAL myself, here is what Jesse Ventura is saying right now and it’s tragic that such a man feels this way as I know where is he coming from.

    http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1393

    Though I still have great hope in America, I also am getting dissillusioned by what the puppets (our so called leaders) have been & are doing to this once great nation.

    I believe it’s coming, ladies & gentlemen. I really, really hate to say it…but the tree of Liberty must at times be watered by the blood of Patriots & Tyrants.

    If it were up to me I would remove the criminals in Washington today and replace them with Patriots of the military & those who have a proven record of obeying the Constitution of the United States as they serve We the People.

    You must attest all this to the control that is exerted by the banking elites & owners of our news media and the entertainment industry of Hollywood, etc. We will not be able to shake them free I think with just words.

    I fear that it will come down to more than that since they are illegally barring us judicial relief as they also control our Courts.

    God Bless America and those who still believe in what she is supposed to be.

    • Karolyn

      OMG! If the military were in control, they would have us in even more wars!

      • BrotherPatriot

        Ignorant statement…

        If the military served the people instead of the military industrial complex which is controlled by the Illuminati/Masonic influence…we would have a much different world. Hopefuly one that honor, loyalty, chivalry and compassion actually were the traits that people stood up for…instead of power, money, corruption, sex and control as it is today.

        God Bless those that fight the good fight. Keep educating your fellow brothers & sisters of this world to the truth of what is actually going on in this world and who is running things behind the curtain of Oz…

        • Karolyn

          Brother – “power, money, corruption, sex and control as it is today.” As it has been for a very long time! As an example, have you heard anything about J. Edgar Hoover lately? There have been several shows about him since the movie is coming out. He started out in the 20s, and everything you stated above can be said of him, although a lot was covered up.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Yep…it’s Hollywoods spin on things at it’s best (worst) as they try & rewrite history and “educate” our youth.

            I mean not to belittle ya, Karolyn but some of your posts in the past have been…well, just horrible. However, I must admit the few at the bottom of this topic have been pretty good.

            Anyway…

            God Bless.

          • Karolyn

            Actually, it is the writers’ spin who did the research and wrote the books on Hoover. Did you know that he may very well have been secretly gay? His best “friend”, Tolson, spent much time with him (including vacations) and Hoover left his estate to him. Tolson also bought a burial plot as near to Hoover as he could get. They were quite an item, although Hoover being as untouchable as he was, was able to keep a lid on it.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Yep…seen & read the same information regarding him, Karolyn.

            All that matters is the truth. Bring it out into the light of God & let it burn the impure away.

            This should be done w/the History of America including those who are behind the scenes navigating it all for their personal benefits.

            No more secrets and special deals…it all has to end.

            You know what I’m speaking of.

            God Bless.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said, Brother Patriot. Karplyn, I think I can agree with you on this also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • BrotherPatriot

    Here is what the Vatican is saying if you doubt what I posted above & why things are really starting to pick up speed towards the NWO’s Agenda.

    http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1263#more-1263

    It’s all a true tragedy that we have allowed these A-holes so much control over our life. Look at what they have done w/that power if you continue to doubt their intentions.

    God Bless.

    • Jay

      Brother Patriot, based on my research, the investments and holdings, or the money machine of the vatican, is under the control, and administration of the Rothschild family. Of course, the Rothschilds are one of the 13 illuminati bloodlines that control, and operate in Europe, and were instrumental in setting up the Rockefeller family, who are now a force to reckon with, and operate, dominantly, in the US! I wish that people who continue to claim that the Roman Catholic organization is Christian, would open their eyes, and realize, that the church/vatican, is owned, and operated, by at least, one of the Luciferian blood-lines, the Rothschilds!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – Try telling any Roman Catholic that he is not a Christian. The people are far removed from the Vatican.

        • Jay

          You make a good point Karolyn, and i agree. Nevertheless, shouldn’t the people be told that they are unknowingly, aiding and abetting, what is in essence, a religious cult, (luciferian), controlled by the very bankers that have caused untold suffering, and horrific societal upheavals, and who continue doing so today. Who, are responsible, for untold millions of lives, slaughtered, for their own personal gain!

          • Karolyn

            Jay – Having been raised Catholic, I can tell you that they would not believe it. Catholicism is so ingrained after generations of faithful that they cannot even allow themselves to consider that the Church can be corrupt.

          • BrotherPatriot

            So very true, Jay…such very true statements & nice to see Karolyn isn’t completely brainwashed.

            God Bless.

  • Thinking About

    I wonder why Jay and his friends are not cheering on the Occupy movement. They are pushing the 99% of which most of are against the top 1%.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Then you really don’t understand the equation.

      OWS is a ploy. One to help divide & conquer us and it’s not a very good one at that. One in which the money trail leads into George Soros & similiar non true American’s.

      Need I explain more?

      God Bless.

      • http://naver samurai

        Very well said, fellow patriot. If you want to know more about the illuminati, here is a good video to watch.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3arVyf10MjQ

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          You can also watch this one:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cYVjA8Cztf4&NR=1

          This tells about how satanists are in control of our government. It is 3 parts long, but very informative. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Ty, Sir! Always enjoy reading yours & your intelligent wifes comments. She sure seems special and has gone through the hoops to be called a true American. God bless you both.

            I’m familiar w/the vid’s…

            Keep up with the good fight…it’s awesome having you both & others here on the site onboard.

            God Bless us all.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Hrmm…neither of the vids are working now, Samurai.

            Now that’s interesting…

            God Bless.

          • Angel Wannabe

            BP, its like that all over__vids not working or taken down, Internet Police???__Wonder if they ride those little scooters too! :)

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry about that. I’ll try to find some more. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Thinking About

        Or non true Americans like the Koch brothers or Rothchilds. If you do the simple math it will only divide the 1% who has wealth of the low 90% and somewhere between 90-99% has some wealth. Why should the top 1% be in charge when the numbers are on our side. Don’t delude yourself into thinking there are very many on this site who is in the 1%.

        • http://naver samurai

          Then you agree about Michael Moore and George Soros giving up their money and positions for the poor? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Thinking About

        The only apparent thought planted in the paranoia running wild is to add Soros name and the puppeteers Koch brothers and doing the planting. Think you are a part of the 1%, most are in the 99%, it is time the 99% takes this nation under control. Why do we want the 1% to rule us? I thought it is We the People not the rich puppeteers. If Soros helps the lower 99% you should be happy.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry dude, but my wife and I are a middle class family. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://perssonallibertydigest sejmon

    Karolyn @11-12-11 -3:01PM-YOUR DEFINITION APPLY TO DEMOCRAP PLANTATION….

  • Angel Wannabe

    Well I might as well add my two cents here, I’ve only been responding to a few comments over the weekend.__Fleas and Fleabaggers, I have to laugh when some of the OWS were interviewed, when a microphone comes near, ya see a glazed stare come over them, seems they’re trying to remember, what they wanted to say as to why they’re at OWS.

    __I’m sure some may think they stand for whats right in America in OWS, but, it’s fairly obvious, this is another well organized group, sponsored by none other than George Soros & company, complete with they’re own Newspaper and free food from the business, they’ve so conveniently camp out in front of. This well orchestrated protest, is the next step in furthering the campaign to crash the economy & capitalism once and for all. What better way to do it, than for the OWS to park themselves in and around business’s, who are already hurting in a downturn economy__ and create and environment, which will keep future customers from patronizing business_ I’m not sure
    if these rapes, tuberculosis outbreak are real or are a scare tactic, to keep people from patronizing and further hurting business’s?__its a crap shoot!

    • BrotherPatriot

      BINGO!

      You always seem to have a very good grasp on the truth…Angel.

      Ty for your work & efforts.

      God Bless.

      • Angel Wannabe

        BP, Thanks and God Bless You to Brother, we need God now more than ever! :)

        • BrotherPatriot

          Aye…that we do need God & always have.

          However, I think some serious investigation on the various cultures & societies of the past concerning religion and how it seems to be new spins on the same old stories should be undertaken. An investigation that is non-biased and without any secret dogma/ulterior motive involved.

          Just pure research.

          I think a great deal of manipulation has been involved regarding where we are at with religion today.

          Myself…and I’m not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, I believe that there is no wrong way to worship God if it’s done with a true heart, without manipulation or ulterior motives involved or subjugating another against their will. Just pure thankfullness to be alive and to do good for the benefit of all…not just for the self or the “chosen” few.

          I believe there is positive & negative energy. I know which I serve.

          That no matter what name you wish to call your God…if your worship is done w/positive good energy then that energy will go to Him. If worship is done in the reverse…then that energy supports the negative side.

          Seriously, who are we to say how things are? How can we possibly know? Because the Bible says so? Well…what about the fact that Constantine edited the documents that the various religious factions had at that time and compiled the chosen (manipulated?) material into one book? Bribing those spiritual leaders at the time with land, churches, money, scribes, paper & ink…etc…in order to help/force them come to an agreement?

          I know what I speak of here is incredibly controversial…and I mean not to cause anyone panties to get inna bunch, but of course this is inevitable. But seriously…what about the various cultures who far proceeded ours that have the same/similar stories…such as the Sumerians? They also record beings in UFO’s and such…but all this isn’t talked about.

          What about the ruins of some buildings and the remains of the inhabitants that are radioactive and the sand is turned to glass…similar to what we found after our nuclear tests in the desert and such.

          These are serious questions that right now are hinted at but not given the time of day outside us Conspiracy people who believe there is so much going on & possibly known but being kept under lock & key by the Government. For our own good!

          I have heard that “they” don’t think it’s time for us to know these things and that we as a society can’t handle it…I call BULL CRAP on that. Ya, it might cause some problems but humanity WILL adapt and be the better for the truth.

          I would much rather live in the light of God knowing the truth of things than live in the dark and be fed a bunch of lies for my own good.

          I’m sure some may take this as an opportunity to attack me but I’m very confortable w/my personal beliefs and to let others have theirs…so long as that belief doesn’t step on someone else or try & subjugate them…for their own good. (Much like how the Christians in the past “conformed” the indians and such. Now that was religious persecution!)

          God Bless us all as we try & navigate these difficult times.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Agreed, BP!__Most of us believe in the God of Abraham and Isaac. Personally, That is what I cling too and don’t allow myself to be swayed from that._My problem with society basically is that we’ve allowed to have God pushed out of everything, and replace him with atheists, to which I believe are too ego centric, to believe in a power larger than themselves. They cannot believe in something they cannot see, they need proof!
            Quite frankly BP, I’ve witnessed more miracles in 55 years than some folks have in a life time, prayer and faith works, believers are not alone. Neither are the atheists, God just hasn’t called to them, because they haven’t knocked and seek his face. I don’t believe in organized religion. I read the bible, when I need correction, God always reveals some new revelation….As for an attacks on my beliefs, I urge them to bring it on, I;ll just ignore__have a great night!___

          • bob wire

            Pushed God out? Who? How? from what? from where?

            Who can do that? Atheist? as I understand it, God is your “personal” savior through the Son. So how were you denied this personal relationship and the salvation offered?

            If God is all the things you say God is, how can this be?

          • bob wire

            “we do need God & always have.”

            Some, more so then others it seems.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bob, when a people bob individually believe in God, they used to come together to form a whole. Whole communities worked together, they believed the same things, the same God. Like samurai said above in the thread, God said “when two or more are gathered in my name I will be with you”.__ Problem is more and more people do not believe in God. The more that people don’t believe in God, the more distant he becomes as a whole.

            Billy Grahm’s Daughter, had a great answer to a question, when asked why did God allow 9/11 to happen?

            “According to the transcript of the broadcast, Clayson asked, “I’ve heard people say, those who are religious, those who are not, if God is good, how could God let this happen? To that, you say?”
            Lotz replied, “I say God is also angry when he sees something like this. I would say also for several years now Americans in a sense have shaken their fist at God and said, God, we want you out of our schools, our government, our business, we want you out of our marketplace. And God, who is a gentleman, has just quietly backed out of our national and political life, our public life. Removing his hand of blessing and protection. We need to turn to God first of all and say, God, we’re sorry we have treated you this way and we invite you now to come into our national life. We put our trust in you. We have our trust in God on our coins, we need to practice it.”

            The perversion today is worse than I’ve ever seen, I’m especially sick over The Penn State Scandal. I’d like to tell each one of those kids that were victimized, it’s not your fault and you’ll be ok… Family after family is destroyed through divorce, Mothers are out right killing they’re own children,_-Most elites with they’re HAAAvid Degrees & they’re Poll numbers, will past these record numbers of crime off as percentages, that as the population number rises. so do instances of criminal nature. I don’t think that’s what’s happened here, we’re going by the way of Rome, we are so much like Rome it’s scary. It’s the lack of God and our lack of morals. Those who don’t believe in God can’t see that Man’s rules aren’t working. I’m not saying EVERY Atheist has no morals, but most don’t. They think they have a better way. God said, whatever that is done has been done before”
            I believe It’s working against us as a whole.

            The average of the world’s great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:”

            From bondage to spiritual faith;

            from spiritual faith to great courage;

            from courage to liberty;

            from liberty to abundance;

            from abundance to selfishness;

            from selfishness to complacency;

            from complacency to apathy;

            from apathy to dependency;

            from dependency back again to bondage.

          • bob wire

            “Conspiracy people who believe there is so much going on & possibly known but being kept under lock & key by the Government. For our own good!”

            Hmm? ~ It has long been understood by people in position of knowledge and power that our technology has advanced well beyond our humanities many years ago. All these wild postings of God matters and early tribal laws present to a stone age nomadic people that have been dusted off and presented here today in some attempt to validate the Lords will and justify the “hate” is testimony to that fact.

            Is it The Truth that we want? Is it really that important to us?

            Well Sir, I’d like that as well, but I feel certain few of us might accept it if it were offered.

            Considering, we have documented targets that fly our skies at speeds in excess of Mach 23, stop on a dime, make a right angle and proceed at 15 mph like it was a school zone. I’m not convinced even I am ready for the truth.

            I am truly fascinated by all of this but I cannot make any sense of it. We do live in strange times, we live in marvelous times and we are experiencing growing pains across the board as everyone attempts to find some certainly, a zone offering comfort.

            Why we feel this pressing need to turn brother against brother is old as the bible itself and the primary reason it was written. Cain killed his brother Able out of jealousy and his own inner insecurities that he was not seen as favored in his fathers eye. Rather then applying himself, making some attempt to change, seeking out the errors of his ways, Cain snuffed out his competition, killing what he could not compete with.

            What is our excuse for our hatred and insecurities today?

          • http://naver samurai

            Great posts Angel! Keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Mike in MI

            Ahhh, bobwire – Come on now! You DON’T really want to know the TRUTH behind those mysterious things, DO YOU? YOU JUST WANT TO BE MYSTIFIED BY THEM AND FEEL intellectual when you talk about it.

            The answers to those things are only going to be found where ANSWERS have always been found – in the (s-h-h-h, whisperit, ((bible)). Oh-h, but you want answers from a “TRUSTWORTHY” SCIENTIFIC source. Now, get honest!
            NO! Get honest NOW!!! Get just a little meek. Put your foolish pride down and consider something different. How can science give you information about phenomena that defy our “scientific” precepts? If you play the game of life with a bag of regular size marbles and you meet somebody with a bag of “Immies”…guess WHAT, DUDE?
            You better get MEEK (which you AIN’T) or you’re gonna’ get blasted outa’ the circle.
            I don’t know you. So I can’t tell you everything you’ve got to dump. But from what I’ve read of your posts YOU…AREN’T…in a place GOD’s able to lay on you HIS goodies. Dump your silly prejudices and purposely,unreservedly divest yourself of all your “great LEARNING” until you can discipline yourself to the things of God. Accept that God knows what He has done and why…AND HE’ll help you understand what you want to know – but you aren’t getting there by taking man’s knowledge FIRST.
            MODEN “science” is screwed and rigged and dishonest.
            Talk to me after you’ve changed the thrust of yor life.

          • Karolyn

            Thank you for a good post, Brother!

          • bob wire

            “NO! Get honest NOW!!! Get just a little meek. Put your foolish pride down and consider something different. How can science give you information about phenomena that defy our “scientific” precepts? If you play the game of life with a bag of regular size marbles and you meet somebody with a bag of “Immies”…guess WHAT, DUDE?
            You better get MEEK (which you AIN’T) or you’re gonna’ get blasted outa’ the circle.”

            reply;

            When I don’t know something, I say, “I just don’t know”, I don’t have a problem with saying “I don’t know”. Accept me at my word as a “HONEST” reply.

            As far a “Meek” and your use of the word, It is clear that you are indeed very close but still fail to understand it’s meaning. To be “meek” requires great inner strength which is reflect in outer strength that only the brightest few seem to recognize. Everyone fights this battle and you are no exception judging from your self absorbed, “come to Jesus” posting in my behalf.

            The biblical accounts are many and address matters of the physical plane and of the spirit world, offing questions, suggest answers and commandments while requires the reader to engage and think but it rarely offers clear and concise answers. The answers are left for you to ‘work for”. The more you read and study , the more you find in an “unending road” to enlightenment not unlike many other early text that have endured the passage of recorded history. ~ They offer nothing new but something very old and only “new” to those that have done the hard work to unlock their secrets.

            I understand,~ you are telling me that “you” got it! and that “I” don’t. Well we might, ~ both be right and both be wrong. I don’t know what you know, other then you clearly have a false illusion of me it seems.

          • jerry sweet

            only a Christian guided by the Holy Spirit can even understand the scriptures.you appear to be just another so called intellectual trying to explain SPIRITUAL THINGS.God has set up a certain way of doing things and if you are one he has chosen to recieve His truths,he will reveal it to you.there is only one true God,in the form of three persons and things will be done His way regardless of anyone not liking it! you were created from DIRT.quit trying to tell the potter how he should have done this or that.repent of your rebellion and be saved.dont and be forever damned.

        • Angel Wannabe

          BoB Wire, I wouldn’t take what I said personally, what I gave is an opinion, my interpetation of what I believe is wrong in the country today. If your painting yourself as one “that doesn’t get it” That’s on you, your accountable for those feelings, I never got personal or singled “You” out!_-I can’t make you feel ANYTHING, UNLESS you LET ME!!!! REMEMBER THAT!

          • bob wire

            I never perceived it as an attack Angel and I wasn’t attacking you. I merely referred, added comment to your posting.

            You and I are good, always have been on some level.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bob Wire, Point Taken! :)

  • Angel Wannabe

    Sadly to my own Reply above, we are at the dependancy stage as a whole, but not dividually. We need to raise the individual numbers of believers to affect, the whole people.

    • bob wire

      “From bondage to spiritual faith;

      from spiritual faith to great courage;

      from courage to liberty;

      from liberty to abundance;

      from abundance to selfishness;

      from selfishness to complacency;

      from complacency to apathy;

      from apathy to dependency;

      from dependency back again to bondage.”

      Sound observation that ring clear as a bell Angel.

      If you would note, older civilizations fared much longer without without the “Book”

      I’m not suggest that book has failed as it is only a tool, I place the fault and failure on the users of the tool Angel.

      and yea, today things are a mess, but let us not sugarcoat the past. We make better use of virgins now then ever before. We don’t burn or cut them up like we use too. Christians are no longer used for Tiger Chow.
      You can make foul comments about the Kings latest squeeze without you head ending up on a platter. You can rip the tag off of a mattress without alarms going off. You have got handicap parking and a car that can do 70 mph for 325 miles. You don’t weave your own cloths, or grow the cotton. Inside our homes and churches, we can worship anyway that we wish, even if it means pass the snake basket please.

      We don’t force marriage on maidens or alter their genitalia in the USA.

      These events with Penn State are beyond acceptable of any excuse. ~ They will pay Angel as many of them as we can single out and pin down. They will pay for their transgressions.

      This is just another example of the corruption associated with “any moneys” connect with a “WAGER” and how it undermines the fabric of America and Christian values, while too popular to stop or control.

      To, ~ too many Americans Balls sports without the wager is like a party without women and booze.

    • jerry sweet

      my earlier reply was meant for bob not angel wanabe.throw God out and then whine because he doesnt protect us anymore.a true follower of Christ does’nt have much trouble reading and understanding Gods message to us.it will be His way or HELLS hiwy,whine on

      • jerry sweet

        a follow up to penn state.we live in a fallen world.full of sin.without the sacrifice Christ made at calvary,God would have incinerated us.but he does love us.we wont accept His only way to forgiveness thru His son and come up with thousands of religions,so people in their rebellion can do it their way.sorry they lose.Jesus states in that book you refer to bob that the way to everlasting life is a narrow one,but the way to hell is wide and most will take it.dont be of the latter.the fires of hell are real.

        • jerry sweet

          more for the masses to hate me for.Christ started His church,he named it Church,then after He was murdered and rose again,He went back to be with GOD and sits at his right hand being my lawyer.He sent back the Holy Spirit to guide us (His church) in all truth.men and woman have corrupted and perverted the Bible for over 5 centurys after the stanglehold the catholic religion had the world bound in,was ripped from them.nothing new Godless people still try and corrupt it,true followers of Jesus did not do any of the heinous crimes the satanic religions did and are still doing.go ahead and fight God,even satan and his demons quake in terror at the mention of JESUS CHRISTS name.someday every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord.even mao,stalin,hitler,bin laden,the atheists,muslims mormans hindus buddhists and on and on and on.Gods way or scream in terror in the fires of hell.your choice.i’ve already made mine

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said Jerry__I do like your “Gods way or the Highway!”__Man’s way has failed, but so many can’t see it!

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said and I couldn’t have said it better myself. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • bob wire

          Hmm? Jerry, you have done an Excellent Job in identify the problem and how certain notions and aspects of Christianity have been such a miserable failure in America and the world at large.

          A regular John The Baptist, that would willingly shove your Brand and you beliefs down anyone’s throat that might endured his presence long enough,~ mistaking common courtesy and civil behavior as all the permission he needed.

          There is nothing you could possibly say that I’ve not heard from the pulpit or by fellow believers and disbelievers alike.

          A dime a dozen charlatan, regurgitating ever thought you ever shared good or bad. An American Taliban malcontent finding refuge in the mist of brighter minds under the guise of champions of Personal Liberties.

          I guess you remember what happen to John in the most unceremonious fashion for allowing his mouth to overload his a$$? The victim of his sharp tongue was offered any wish by the king, anything that she wanted, she asked for John the Baptist head on a silver platter. Well that certainly bought him down a notch.

          God don’t care! ~ never did! IT’s for “US” to care. That is the nature of the Divine. Caring and ‘wanting” are human characteristic and not found in the Divine. A truth that you cannot accept, few willing, having be programed otherwise for seven century’s, all victims of Christian programing gone Wild.

          Accept such matters as personal and keep them safely to yourself, I have little need for your ideas of God, can’t use them as they fail to work or conform to the teaching of Jesus in practical application.

          Penn State a perfect current example Christian teaching and how they fail, Bernnie Maddoff, his son committing suicide, Weiner showing his wennier, Jared Lee Loughner, Godfey Dommer, I could go on forever ~ It is PEOPLE that are suppose to care Jerry ~ It’s not Gods job to do our work, to many simple are not doing it. Lost in biblical text and lala land instead. Finding their neighbors yard needing attention while ignoring their own.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong again Bob. Neeeeed to reread the Scriptures to understand what is being said before you say it. God doesn’t care about us? I’d like you to show me where it says that in the Bible. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • bob wire

    “ONLY a “Christian” guided by the Holy Spirit CAN even UNDERSTAND the scriptures.you appear to be just another so called intellectual trying to explain SPIRITUAL THINGS”

    My personal favorite line!

    suggesting there there might be some “understanding” in matters of faith. And that for you to ever become a christian Requiring someone to accept Christ first and only then read with understanding! So in essence you must “claim” be a Christan before you can read the book and understand what a Christain is. Judged from the results I’m looking at, that sounds about right Jerry.

    Horse $hit! ~ It’s all about faith Sir.~ not understanding but faith ~ You been told a hundred times and still you don’t get it while claiming that you do.

    It goes like this;

    Do you accept (not understand) the Lord Jesus Christ as the Holy Ghost and your(not mine but yours) “personal” Savior?

    It’s a yes or no question Jerry. Where you say yes or no, matters little! As a child cannot deny ones mother or father, so it all ceremonial horse manure, symbolizing a passage before a community.

    I’m glad we had this opportunity to talk.

    • http://naver samurai

      You can’t really of faith in something if you don’t understand what it is you have faith in. Ergo, if you don’t know what the Scriptures are telling you about God and Jesus, then you’ll never be able to understand what faith is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • jay Lindberg

    Flea baggers, Tea Baggers. What’s the difference?

    Teabaggers- corporate puppets

    Flea bagggers- Soros puppets

    Everyone else- Sheeple

    What’s my point?

    The tea baggers and flea baggers need to cut your puppet strings, look around and make up your own minds. The sheeple are the fence sitters, they are simply irrelevant.

    We are screwed.

    • http://naver samurai

      The Tea Party are not corporate puppets. We are just the average citizen that feels we are over taxed, over regulated, have too big of a government, and want this nation to get back to the ways of our Christian founding. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://JogYourMind beaureguard

    A POLICE STATE AGAIN??
    Must we be gunned down or hanged for trying to organize Unions as it was before F.D.R. Our young men and women must lay down their phones, blackberries and remotes and pick up history books. The truth again may set us free and break the influences that money buys.
    Let’s look back in time when the fascist rich controlled our Nation. So our youth can realize that the fascists are again in control. When our National Guard and Police were used by the fascist rich to stop union organizing into 1930s Again in Wisconsin Governor Walker is used Police to stop the peoples voice. (Now they call us Flea Baggers and the Fascist rule again)
    1835, In Paterson, New Jersey, a strike by the children in a sweat shop. Their demands ? An eleven-hour day and a six day work week.
    1877, Ten labor union activists were hung in Pennsylvania for trying to organize a union for the workers in a coal mine.
    1877, Again in Pennsylvania, Thirty rail workers were killed by federal troops for protesting wage cuts.
    1911, A sweat shop fire killed one-hundred forty seven women and young girls that were locked into the ten story building. The Triangle Shirtwaist Company owners were indicted for manslaughter.
    1911, Fannie Sellins organized the United Garment Workers of America and received a six month sentence in a West Virginia Prison for “inciting a riot,” She also organized the United Mine Workers of America.
    1914 John D. Rockefellers Colorado Fuel and Iron Company. (CF&I) in Ludlow Colorado along with other small companies made a stand against their workers. The workers had such audacity as to make demands on their employers. The workers wanted them to recognize their union as the voice of their majority members. The absurd demands were, an eight hour day, overtime pay, a pay increase and the enforcement of the Colorado Mining laws. The union was headed by James Fyler who organized the walk out. Tents were set up and the workers camped in front of the mines. The mine owners refused to even listen to their demands while the National Guard and mine owners overlooking the tent city opened fire with machine guns. Forty miners and their families died including wives and children. James Fyler was shot fifty four times for his efforts to voice the miners demands.
    1919 During a mine strike at the Allegheny mine Joseph Starzeleski was clubbed to death. When Fannie Sellins intervened she was clubbed and shot three times while crawling away.
    1919 & 1920 the U.S Bureau of Investigation targeted union labor leaders. 250 deportations and several prosecutions as anarchists.
    1932, Ford Motor Company in Dearborn Michigan. Five auto workers killed and dozens badly beaten by Police.
    1934, Known as the ,”Battle of Toledo”. Two workers killed and many dozens beaten striking the Electric Autolite Company.
    1934, Known as, “Bloody Thursday,” a California ship yard strike where strikers were beaten and gassed, six killed.
    Thirty years of the fascist rich controlling our government and keeping the American worker down ended when the Franklin D. Roosevelt turned against HIS CLASS. All of the regulations and protection of the American worker ended when Ronald Reagan stepped into the White House. Each administration since has continued our extinction of the middle class worker in our country. They simply let the American people do it for them, We The People, not paying attention to the TRUTH. We would rather believe the LIP SERVICE

  • CUZIN ERN

    Hey to u-uns with a Klinker for Brains,God doesn’t have any thing to do with your short comings in the LOGIC Department, you just missed to many classes on the subject!!!

    Don’t ever fall into a Rubber Mine!!!

    All God does is to supply the ingredients to bake a pie, it’s up to you to put it together…otherwise, you will wander about for 40 years or more before u might get a ketch on how this world really works; so get busy and hope for a stroke of genius as your wicked ways may propelle you staight to HELL where you will convulse till your last breath…

  • Ron

    Gloria Allred is Guilty for A second Time of Election Tampering (first time Got us Jerry Bown back).

  • dan

    People, People, all this personal bashing needs to stop.
    WE are THE PEOPLE who can get things fixed, but not if we can’t get on the same page. What about all the flea bags in the White house? What about cutting their exhorbinant(sp?) salaries and perdiums?
    What about taking your energies and illtempered comments and directing them at the real source of the problems?

  • Andrea D

    A country divided cannot stand. The posts here are all very sad commentaries on the poor state of our country. We need to get back to a smaller, not for sale government in line with the original Constitution, individual responsibility and compassion with a hand up not handouts for those in need. We also need to produce the things we, as a country and as individuals, need right here in this country. We cannot continue to import
    $374 billion dollars more than we export. I doesn’t make sense for a household or our country. We need to do it now, we need to get a government in place that is willing and able to help us help our country and our fellow man.

    • http://Comcast AL.

      Thank you Andrea, well said!

  • Zack

    Andrea D, I couldn’t agree with you more! Vaya con Dios!!

  • http://Comcast AL.

    The Occupiers are sending the wrong message, from the wrong locations. In fact they need to be in Washington DC. reminding our pre-Obama Elected Officials still in Office, that they are the true reason for the problems in the Country today!

  • Unite or fall

    I’m all for anyone’s right to peaceably assemble, and petition the gov for redress of grievances. The tea party was rightly offended when the media and inevitably others began distorting the name of their organization to intimate a perverse act. We should not stoop to divisiveness. Nor should we stereotype everyone involved in the OWS because of several bad examples in their midst.

    They do have the right idea for a protest: you don’t go home until change occurs. On the other hand they seemingly lack cohesiveness, focus, and the skills/supplies to maintain sanitation. What we need to do is put aside our differences, stop letting various media outlets turn us to ridiculing each other, and unite.

    The OWS people at least realize that the government is corrupt. They also have a good deal of resolve to still be sitting out there, in such conditions. That is a basis upon which we can build if we reach out to them. They could be guided in our direction folks.

    We need to take back our government. It is getting worse with each new piece of legislation, each piece of the puzzle fitting into a picture which is clearly not to any normal Citizens benefit. The puzzle is getting so close to completion, that the picture can now be seen, and it is not a picture of a free country.

    They keep us infighting, and bickering such that they never have to fear us, because we will never unite. Is that what we want? To make it easy for the control freaks to completely and irrevocably destroy the ideals of this country?

    We need to gather any group that understands the corruption and speak with them intelligently. We can sort out our differences when we win back our country…

    we must UNITE else we will surely fall!

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    I do agree with all of the ideas you’ve introduced in your post. They are really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are very brief for novices. May you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post.

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