First Recall; Now Repeal: Colorado 2nd Amendment Groups Aim For Overturn Of Gun Laws

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Backers of the successful recall of two Colorado State Senators are pledging to continue fighting for the repeal of the same gun control laws that led to the two Senators’ ouster, following their support of the anti-2nd Amendment legislation earlier this year.

On Breitbart’s Sirius XM radio broadcast Sunday, Jennifer Kerns of Basic Freedom Defense Fund (BFDF) – a Colorado nonprofit established earlier this year in response to the State Legislature’s “appalling act of government overreach” – said the group is only halfway done with the task of remedying a Constitutional infringement perpetrated by elected officials.

“We won and now we want more,” she said, adding that the recall effort’s grassroots success will, hopefully, keep the pressure on the State legislature to overturn the pair of new laws, which have been on the books since July.

One of those laws restricts the size of ammunition magazines to 15 rounds; the other expands background checks to include private sales, as well as firearms sales done online. Sheriffs from 54 of the State’s 64 counties have filed a lawsuit, alleging that the laws are unConstitutional.

In a joint press release Friday, BFDF and Pueblo Freedom and Rights, a “grassroots issues committee,” announced the repeal movement “will not be going away silently into the night,” calling on all State legislators to respond to a survey sent by BFDF last week:

In an effort to understand where State legislators stand on Colorado’s new gun laws, we are writing to ask your position on key issues. As you are likely aware, we recently succeeded in the first successful recall of not one, but two, State officials in Colorado history.

As we consider our next endeavors, we wish to know where every legislator stands on a repeal of Colorado’s unlawful new gun restrictions.

Please take a moment to answer this simple, 2-question survey:

Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s new gun laws if given the opportunity in the 2014 legislative session? ___ YES or ___ NO

Would you support a Ballot Initiative that would repeal Colorado’s gun laws? ___ YES or ___ NO

“While we consider Tuesday’s election a significant victory, we realize that these egregious gun laws remain and we want to know where each and every Colorado State legislator stands on them,” said Kerns in the statement. “It is a new day in Colorado and constituents expect their legislators to represent the will of the people. No one is immune from the reach of the grassroots efforts which powered these two recall elections.”

In addition, the two groups sent the same survey to every announced candidate planning to run for a State office in 2014. The responses will be made public Oct. 1.

Colorado voters recalled two Democratic state Senators – Angela Giron and Senate President John Morse – last week in a special election that liberals outside the State claim was unfairly weighted in favor of 2nd Amendment advocates – because mail-in ballots were not allowed.

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Libertarian Soldier

    It’s the right thing to do! Restore the Constitution!

    • jon in san jose

      Any state legislature or state activist organization should have no trouble with repealing these stepwise bans, since the “C” 2d amendment says the right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed. Chipping away IS infringement. Those who think there ought to be some limitations on this right have the burden of proof. Lacking proof, court dismissal of the statists’ case should be straightforward.

      • machodog

        Yeah, but obama wants our guns and after we refuse to do it, he will be backed by the U.N. and since we signed an agreement with the U.N. to use foreign soldiers to quell civil unrest in our country we’ll be overrun and they will take our guns away. We would need our military to stop that insanity.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Our military ? RLMAO , they well be the ones picking up our guns ,

          • machodog

            I’ve considered what you said, however, I think our military would join the populace. There are stories of how upset they are with obama, and there’s a marine sight that encourages disobeying orders to go into Syria. So, that’s a start.
            The military would have to take into consideration that their families are amongst us and would be compelled to protect them too.

          • independent thinker

            The military would be split on the issue. Some would blindly and unthinkingly follow orders no matter what and some would refuse orders to confiscate arms or otherwise go against the Constitution. The question is how many and which ones would do each.

          • lraivala

            I disagree with you.. There would be so many defecting to the constitutional side it would not be funny. All I can say is trust me on that one.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            more would do what they were told to do, the brass is already purging the ones they think well not obay

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Ask the people in new Orleans what the military did there after they came in .

          • vicki

            No need to ask. We can show people what the military did.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

          • lraivala

            You will be surprised then.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            We need the draft back you cant trust any one that wants to be there , the people in there now well do what they are told ! when is the last time a grunt fragged a officer ? today the military is full of wet backs, blacks, and now queers . and well do what ever there Zionist masters say .

      • Jimmy the Greek

        The gun control act of 1968 is a infrinment as is the law passed in the early 30’s banning short shot guns and full auto guns !

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=606348246 Jason Weishaupt

          They are banned? I own some. Check out the sawed off shotgun in my sig pic. It’s a Serbu Super Shorty 12ga. Love shooting skeet with it.

          • vicki

            Requiring a payment of tribute to the king (government) to exercise a God given right IS infringement.

          • jon in san jose

            I agree, vicki. Thanks for the added insight.

            In the case of “requiring permit for public demonstration (speech)” I saw that, but did not take the next righteous step.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            you know what I mean , you have to kiss the feds backside to get one in 1930 you got a BAR at the hardware store

      • Libertarian Soldier

        Colorado has been, traditionally, a “red state”, constitutional in nature. It’s a flip-flop state since it has a heavy hispanic contingent and is becoming so urban. Cities draw the leftists like flies on crap.

        You live in a blue state, as do I, less than 40 miles away. The problem is activist organizations and no line between the left activists and the left, activists in the state legislature that clearly, or very unclearly see the world through bad crap crazy goggles and see the Constitution as a pesky thing that gets in the way of their toddler mentality: “mine, mine mine, not yours” but at the same time, “no fair, no fair no fair”.

        The illusion of fairness is their end game, their mantra, all in one. It’s their focus, their sentiment, their goal. They have not concept of conflicting rights. They have no concept of Constitution. They don’t believe in the Constitution. To them, it’s not the law of the land. It’s not even a rule, not even a guideline or framework. It’s an irrelevant suggestion, an inapplicable idea that no longer translates and has outlived its usefulness.

        Look at how many “gun free zones” there are right in your neighborhood, at SJSU, on Market St., the whole downtown area, from 280 past Santa Clara, 24th to 880 and parts of the east side. If “Campus Police” pull you over and you have a gun, that’s an extra charge.

        You won’t repeal gun laws in California or even local ordinances.

  • Si Vis Pacem ParaBellum

    We the PEOPLE have stood up and stood together to show the so-called upper crust of our society that unbeknownst to them, THEY DON’T RULE, WE THE PEOPLE DO! This is just the kind of thing that needs to happen more. The elected officials WE put there are supposed to work for US, not their own personal gain or the gain of the special interest groups that feed millions of dollars into their slush funds and personal bank accounts. The more this type of thing happens, the more responsible the elected officials will be, and the more they will actually listen to WE THE PEOPLE. Molon Labe, Semper FI and God Bless.

    • mark

      “We the PEOPLE have stood up and stood together to show the so-called upper crust of our society that unbeknownst to them, THEY DON’T RULE, WE THE PEOPLE DO! ” You are absolutely right! This is exactly how I felt on November 6, 2012 when I voted for Barak Obama, then returned to my home to watch him win a second national election on television over that Wall Street stooge, Mitt Romney. The people do rule and never forget it!

      • antiliberal00

        That election was rigged and stolen.
        1) he is not a natural born citizen.
        2) many polls showed many more votes than registered voters.
        Moochers, we are coming after your “freebies”.

      • momo

        Clarification for Mark. Both Obama and Romney are Wall Street stooges.

      • Bill

        Mark,
        By your comments above, you are showing us that you are part of the problem and not the solution

        • Robbie

          No Bill: What Mark said in his comment was that the people spoke when they elected President Obama to 2 terms in office. They also sent a clear message to the GOP by defeating soundly the mega rich spokesperson Mitt Romney.

          • Bill

            I guess ignorance is bliss, Robbie

          • Robbie

            I don’t think so. My experience over several decades indicates that ignorant people are far from blissful. Mostly they are confused and frustrated. Actually you can see my contention at work right on this site. The folks who lash out at the President and at the media and at government demonstrate so much anger and frustration and even helplessness. You see it in their rude and insulting comments and you see it when all they can muster in an argument is a string of swear words. It’s actually rather heart rendering and sad.

          • Bill

            Then why do you spend so much time here, oh wise one

          • Robbie

            I think small gains can be made here and there in the quest to make others more aware. Also I am here because I’m learning a great deal about how right wing nut cases think and what their so-called argumentation amounts to.

            Why might you be here?

          • Don 2

            Hey Robbie, is Warren Buffet and Richard Trumpka are both coming down against Obamacare. Are they right wing nut cases?

          • 5live5

            to counter progressive liberal socialists like YOU Robbie!

          • Robbie

            Oh good, but I have to tell you you’re doing a rather poor job of it.

          • Don 2

            Hey Robbie, glad you are here. Warren Buffet now totally disagrees with your expertise and undying support of Obamacare, Warren now says Obamacare is untenable over time and is like a tapeworm eating our economic body, and under Obamacare, the average citizen will suffer.

            Tell me ole wise one from the north country, is Warren now confused and frustrated for lashing out at Obama’s Obamacare?

          • Robbie

            I’d have to read what he had to say. Buffet doesn’t strike me as the sort who “lashes” out at anything. Perhaps he is moderating his views – that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and, by the way, Buffet I’m sure is capable of being wrong on occasion.

          • 5live5

            him n Mark ought to know blissful ignorance, Bill!!!

      • vicki

        Actually the people ruled many years ago to live in a Republic where the Rule of Law takes precedence over the rule of people (democracy) or rule of “special” people (oligarchy).

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

        That your elected president fails to abide by his oath of office to u[hold the Law should be of great concern to you.

      • lraivala

        Yeah and now under this wall street stooge we can safely claim 8 of the top ten richest people in the World, with B. Gates reclaiming his mantle as the richest person in the world ($72 billion) and W. Buffet a distant 2nd with $48 billion. To round out the top ten for you, 5 Walton family members (Wal-Mart), and the Koch Brothers as well moved back into the top 10. While America’s poorest has grown 3 fold. Toi simplify that for you, it means we now have more people on food stamps and living in poverty than we did during the great depression.
        Those evil 1% er’s sure do love that Obama guy to.

  • dan

    well done ,Coloradans….
    every victory for liberty contributes to the momentum.
    WE SHALL BE FREE !

  • Robert Peterson

    Colorado will set things right in 2014 bye bye Johnny

    • lraivala

      They need to get Dickenlooper out….

  • Vis Fac

    As I have said many times you don’t effect change in DC they are a lost cause with their own egotistical power grabbing credo. The ONLY way to effect change is at the LOCAL level. When enough change like in Colorado occurs the rest of the nation will follow Only than can we reclaim our nation. Any law contrary to our constitution is unlawful and cannot legally be enforced.

    “Der beste Weg, um die Kontrolle über ein Volk zu nehmen und zu steuern, ist ganz und gar ein wenig von ihrer Freiheit zu einer Zeit zu nehmen, um Rechte von tausend kleinen und kaum wahrnehmbaren Verringerungen erodieren. Auf diese Weise werden die Menschen nicht sehen, diese Rechte und Freiheiten wird, bis über den Punkt hinaus, an dem diese Änderungen nicht rückgängig gemacht werden kann entfernt werden. “- Adolf Hitler

    “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” – Adolf Hitler

    Libertas inaestimabilis res est
    Semper-Fi

  • ZO666

    Something I have noticed is a common denominator and that is the victims are all defenseless….either gun free zones or schools! I’m little baffled how the Navy shooting guy got PTSD sitting at his desk at home? If I think about the effects of violent video games on withdrawn neglected children even some adults I could see how the game becomes the norm….

    • independent thinker

      I think he supposedly got it helping after 9/11 in the Big Rotten Apple (NY). I have seen no proof of that but have seen a claim to that effect.

  • wandamurline

    GO COLORADO….I don’t live in your state, but if I can help, let me know.

    • ZO666

      I think they could use a good bilge pump right about now!

  • ZO666

    Counties are no different than people…If you spend money like a drunkin sailor pretty soon you end up in the gutter…..

  • CWA

    This is unimaginable. People expecting their state’s elected elite to honor a constitution and the citizens. What’s next? A similar movement regarding the Federal government? Be careful. Who’s going to run your life if not the government. Some people believe that they can make decisions that affect their own lives better than some remote bureaucrat can. Haven’t you been paying attention? BO is so brilliant that he can micro-manage the lives of more than 300 million people, and not even work up a sweat. Surely, his minions around the country are just as capable. Why should you accept responsibility for your own lives, when they are doing such and excellent job? Who needs freedom?

  • MaxEffectUSA

    I would add one more sentence to the questionnaire. “Failure to return this questionnaire will be considered as a negative response.”

  • Timothy Thompson

    Let’s have a national vote on Obamacare as well, since most Americans are now more concerned about government intrusion in our lives, we are all arming ourselves to protect our families, the 2nd amendment language is so simple yet the libs just want to trample on our rights. It’s about time we took these steps as Americans to stop what’s going onn. Obamacare will be a shock to most low information voters they think they think they get a free pass, wait until they find out they owe the government for not being insured. Can’t wait.

    • Don 2

      Warren Buffet, former Obamacare supporter, has now come out against Obamacare, saying that it will hurt the little people. How come these supposedly ‘smartest people in the room’ are always having to play catch-up to the average joe?

      • Robert Messmer

        Maybe because in the rush to get the thing passed no one was given time to actually read all the fine print. Remember–we’ll find out what it says AFTER we pass it.

    • 5live5

      Hey Ohbummer care is working great, FOR HIM! For people working for a living it isn’t so good. Some of the employers are cutting hours worked to part time so they don’t have to pay the “donation” to it!!

  • Don 2

    Those who want to outlaw guns have not explained why it would be any more effective than outlawing drugs, alcohol, robbery, rape, and murder. All the crimes for which guns are used are already illegal, and they keep on occurring, just as they did before guns existed.

    So what is the real agenda? Why do gun control advocates want to override the Second Amendment? Why do they not acknowledge that if the Second Amendment can be overridden, so can every other protection of civil liberty? ~ Paul Craig Roberts

    • vicki

      They don’t want to explain themselves. They just want to punish the

      ~300 MILLION Americans who have never shot anyone. Even by accident.

      Tell them every chance you get to

      STOP punishing the innocent for the acts of a very few

      Yay Colorado voters for being part of the movement to

      Stop it
      Stop it NOW.

    • Robbie

      We have highway speed laws and yet some folks still speed. Ought we eliminate speed laws and let drivers do what ever they want?

      • Don 2

        And your point would be? Oh, that’s right, you don’t actually have one.

        • Ayatollyahso

          You want to”end Gun violence”?Next time you see a gun comit a violent act. have it arrested tried and convicted!.

          • Don 2

            Ayatollyahso,
            What are you talking about?

          • vicki

            Ayatollyahso is just pointing out the illogic of the gun grabber who blames the gun instead of the person.

          • Robbie

            We blame the person using a gun to commit mass murder of American patriots.

          • vicki

            We blame the person using a gun to commit mass murder of American patriots.

            Demonstrably false. If you truly blamed the person you would not be trying to strip the God given RIGHTS of the

            ~300 MILLION Americans who didn’t shoot anyone. EVER.

            STOP Punishing the innocent for the acts of a VERY few

            Stop it

            Stop it NOW

          • Robbie

            Is gun ownership actually and really a right given by God? For some reason I don’t think so. If it was why didn’t God give that right to people in Europe or New Zealand or Canada etc.?

        • Robbie

          Try to comprehend a series of postings and make a couple of intellectual connections (if you can).

          • Don 2

            I will when I see them, but your ‘speed law’ comment was irrelevant to anything here.

          • Robbie

            You don’t want any gun laws because you say that some people will break the law regardless. I was just wondering if you feel the same way about laws in general like, say, traffic laws. Do you think traffic laws should be scrapped because some people break them? Should current illegal drugs be made legal because some people are always going to use drugs?

          • Robert Messmer

            No, we don’t want any gun laws (or any other laws for that matter) that violates our Constitution. As long as the law is Constitutional we are more than happy to comply. There already are gun laws on the books and until/unless they are repealed they should be enforced. Trying to compare traffic laws to gun laws is similar to comparing apples to oranges. Yes, they are both tree grown, roundish fruits but that is about where the comparison stops. Based on Portugal, which decriminalized but didn’t actually legalize all drugs, it would decrease the amount of problems that we have with “illegal” drugs.

          • Robbie

            The main question was should we do away with traffic laws simply because some folks will always break them?

      • 5live5

        Yeah, well driving is considered a PRIVELEDGE and owning and bearing guns Is a God given right backed up by the constitution!

        • Robbie

          And that God given right was used again by the shooter in Washington just yesterday. Yea, let freedom ring!

          • Robert Messmer

            So what is the great solution? Washington DC has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and the Navy Yard is a “gun-free zone”. The shooter past the Background Check when he purchased the shotgun, which only held 7 shells. According to a news report he acquired the handgun by taking it away from a cop after he was in the yard. Nothing was said, at that time, as to how he acquired the rifle. Strict laws, gun free zone, Background check, limited ammo—none of that worked. Now, since you are in Canada you probably don’t give a rat’s ass about shredding our Constitution, but we do.

          • Robbie

            No, I love your Constitution but I do think some of you go overboard in maintaining the most minute detail of it long after its original purpose has long passed. But never mind that. You mention that Washington has strict gun laws. I believe that the gun was bought in Virginia. But even that does not matter much. The overriding problem is that some states are strict and some are permissive. One state can outlaw all guns all the time but what good is that if the next state over allows any loonie to buy a gun with no background checks or whatever? Gun laws have to be national and consistent in scope otherwise it truly is a waste of time.

          • Don 2

            Another Democrat shooter with mental issues goes off the rail.

        • vicki

          Driving is an action. We HAVE laws controlling mis-USE of firearms just as we have laws controlling the mis-use of cars.

          The right to possess cars AND firearms are protected by the Constitution (see amendments 9 and 2)

          Don’t let the gun grabbers distract you with mis-use of the tool. The right to possess the tool is protected both explicitly and implicitly (possession of private property. Also “effects” in the 4th amendment).

          “For a TRULY free people the possession of ANYTHING created, grown, obtained without fraud or theft, can not be illegal.”

          • Robbie

            Interesting use of the word “tool”. It’s as if guns are no different than leaf blowers. Guns are created and used to kill.

          • vicki

            Guns are created and used to propel a rock (Usually a single element) on a ballistic trajectory. The PERSON chooses the use.

          • Robbie

            Actually you are correct. And what a violent society like the U.S. must somehow do is to limit the availability of guns to those who would use them to blow away innocent Americans such as classrooms full of grade school children.

          • vicki

            Limiting the availability of a tool is not the solution. Returning the RIGHT of the people to possess and carry the BEST tool for self defense is the solution.

            ELIMINATE GUN FREE ZONES. It’s really that simple.

          • Robbie

            So you are against even simple background checks meant to prevent crazy people and folks with criminal records from getting guns? Do I have that right? I think what you actually would like to see is plenty of shoot outs between gun lovers and bad actors – kind of like going back to the wild west days. Yea, lots of shootin’ in malls and parking lots, wherever with lots of folks gettin’ blown away. An interesting vision for the future.

          • Robbie

            So you are against even simple background checks meant to prevent crazy people and folks with criminal records from getting guns? Do I have that right? I think what you actually would like to see is plenty of shoot outs between gun lovers and bad actors – kind of like going back to the wild west days. Yea, lots of shootin’ in malls and parking lots, wherever with lots of folks gettin’ blown away. An interesting vision for the future.

        • Robbie

          I actually don’t think that God knows much about guns.

      • vicki

        Are we discussing possession or use?

        We HAVE laws forbidding the mis-USE of firearms just as we have laws forbidding the mis-USE of cars. There are NO laws forbidding the possession of cars and there are NO valid laws forbidding the possession of firearms.

        • Robbie

          We’re discussing if we should or should not try to make it just a tad more difficult for any criminal or mental defective to be able to too easily get a gun so that he can blow away 20 or 30 first graders whenever he feels like it. That’s what we’re discussing. Kapish?

          • vicki

            That is what WE are discussing. You seem to be discussing punishing the

            ~300 MILLION Americans who haven’t shot ANYONE. EVER.

            Stop punishing the innocent for the acts of a very very very few.

            Stop it
            Stop it NOW.

            —————————————————————-
            Arming the people as intended by the founders would make it REALLY hard (not just a tad more difficult) for any criminal or mental defective to be able to blow away 20 or 30 or X first graders whenever he feels like it.

          • Robbie

            Would background checks made to weed out insane people and folks with a history of gun violence be punishing the innocent? How so?

          • mnkysnkle

            Folks with a history of “gun Violence”, or any other kind of violence already cannot own a firearm. You need to drop the “gun violence” tag as violence is violence, no matter what tool you use when committing the “violence”.

          • Robbie

            True. You can attack a group of people with a rock or with a knife or try to hang them with a rope. Those things are also tools as you say. But the really neat thing about a gun is that it is a tool like no other when it comes to blowing people away. In case you didn’t realize it a gun is so much quicker when it comes to killing. Why you can mow down 20 or 30 people in just a few seconds! If you had to hit each one of them over the head with a rock it could take 20 minutes and by them some of them would have run off or whatever. So guns are really much more efficient and a lot less messy for the perpetrator. And, also remember, the actual purpose of guns is to kill and for that they have been perfected to a fine art. So “violence is violence” as you say but gun violence is fast and effective. I hope that helps you see the difference between “tools”.

  • lraivala

    My suggestion is any and all major legislation like ObamaCare should go to the People in a National Ballot and not have a bunch of numb-skulls sell you out for a little pork project to better themselves in a future election.

    Same should apply to the states, if you want something drastically changed put it on a ballot and let the People decide on it.

    Colorado, finally woke up, Wisconsin did the same thing a year ago. And the people responded and spoke.

  • 5live5

    I have SO MUCH respect for Colorado right now!!!

  • Yvonne R. Mcginnis

    Listen folks, we all have well intentions but that day has finally arrived. We have waken up, and guess what? The moment of truth is upon us. The Reality of the United States Constitution being an outdated document is upon us. And because it is outdated in many respects, it is causing division and animosity amongst God fearing Christians, political parties, religious associations, the intellectual community, states, and even governmental agencies. Realistically, we want our cake and eat it too. I too love America; I too respect the greatest document ever known to mankind. But the truth of the matter is, the problem won’t go away until we’re willing to address the problematic and underlying issues associated with unlimited gun rights and our attempt to exploit an 18th century document in the 21st century, and make it work. And, it has not been resolved to the satisfaction of many Americans as to whether Americans as individuals, truly have the right to bear arms. No one is attacking or disrespecting the U.S Constitution; no one wants to take guns away from law-abiding citizens. We just want to keep America safe. And we have to accomplish this task through compromise. We are cognizant of the fact that there are problems with the law of the land that can’t be overlooked; that can’t be fixed because like everything else on this planet, America has changed. We are not the same country that we were in the 1800’s. And, when evolution coerces change, we as a society are forced to make necessary modifications, reformations; we are forced to innovate even when it makes us feel a bit uncomfortable. However, most problematic is when folks refuse to sit to the table like responsible folks do, and discuss how we can fit the Second Amendment into the 21st century without shouting, or compromising our national security efforts; without sacrificing our children, our dignity; our self-respect, and our communities. We must absolutely stop promoting the mis-guided concept that the way to handle your problems is with a gun because that is not the way the civilized world handles problems. We must rise above the petty things of the world, and instead of recalling, we must celebrate the courageously strong Senators and community leaders who take a stand every day on gun-control, because to stand up against the Second Amendment and the right to bear unlimited ams, in order to keep America safe requires more than just guts, it requires ‘heroism’.

    • Don 2

      Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
      http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

    • Ayatollyahso

      It is NOT “outdated” the ideas behind it (Individual liberty and freedom from govt.tyranny) are timeless.End of discussion. Anything less is treasonous talk.

    • Oldmonkey

      ow about 1st a remote control for every voter so when 51% press a button, their elected officials die similar to the book Dune? For control over me, do I want something on her. Nothing’s free! Would you put Dianne Finestine’s No Cal staff in jail in jail for scaring the heck out of PTA members with an AK-47 in an elementary school? The POS’s staff did it 20 years ago just up the street from my house and she got them off. Are you good with it? SHE is the reason I want lots of guns. I’ve spent lots of beer money getting those like her voted out of office in other states. Got quite aI

    • taino21

      Your dear madam, are a MORON. Since when do God given rights have an expiration date? Do you really understand what the Constitution is? Obviously not. You need to go back to school and do some reading on how this country was founded. Many spilled their blood and died for those beliefs so idiots like you attempt to destroy them. Do you really think that those who founded this nation were thinking only for the moment? Thomas Jefferson said: “On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”12 June 1823 (The Complete Jefferson p. 32). You and others like you madam, are the reason why this country finds itself in the condition it is now!

    • vicki

      No one is attacking or disrespecting the U.S Constitution; no one wants to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.

      Of course they do. That is why the politicians try to make possession of guns illegal. (They can’t really since all such laws are obviously unconstitutional).

      We just want to keep America safe.

      As did the founders which is why they explicitly forbade the government from infringing on the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep(possess) and bear(carry) arms (not just firearms). They even bothered to explain WHY the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.

      “A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free State……” You see the founders were WAY smarter then people give them credit for.

      We must absolutely stop promoting the mis-guided concept that the way to handle your problems is with a gun because that is not the way the civilized world handles problems.

      Correct and we do that but gun-grabbers insist that despite the fact that the gun brings civilization to the table they want only the government and criminals to possess guns. http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/marko.htm

      ….we must celebrate the courageously strong Senators and community leaders who take a stand every day on gun-control, because to stand up against the Second Amendment and the right to bear unlimited ams, in order to keep America safe requires more than just guts, it requires ‘heroism’.

      So you really want Senators to violate their oath of office?

      Oh and you totally failed to substantiate your opening argument that the Constitution is outdated. It is ignored a lot but it is not outdated. In light of many of the recent revelations about the current government overreach I would be of the opinion that the Constitution is even MORE necessary today then in the 18th century.

      • lraivala

        ….we must celebrate the courageously strong Senators and community
        leaders who take a stand every day on gun-control, because to stand up
        against the Second Amendment and the right to bear unlimited arms, in
        order to keep America safe requires more than just guts, it requires
        ‘heroism’.

        To simplify this comment for the readers. Once we can eradicate the 2nd amendment, than all of the others are a mute point. They have already thousands of laws that INFRINGE on our right to carry passed by our spineless legislators, who want nothing more then to take the rest of that right away.

        I an only think of about 10 that are totally for the second amendment, while some are center right and are okay with more restrictions all while telling you they are for the 2nd amendment. Do not be fooled by these blind sheep as they to want nothing more than to take away your rights as well.

        Every mass shooting in the last 5 decades was done by someone that was mentally unstable and would have been prevented if they had used the laws already on the books. The 2 military installation shootings stand out above all the rest as if you have ever enter a military institution you would know it is simple impossible if all facets are followed. But, none of them were followed and thus this. And furthermore, Why is it we trust our soldiers with weapons in theater, but when they are state side we do not trust them to have a weapon? That alone makes no sense at all.
        Sort of like telling your police department, that we trust you with your hand gun, but when you go home at night or while you are just in the office doing routine paperwork it must be secured at the police armory.

    • Robert Messmer

      The anti-gun nuts talk about compromise but when was the last time you were able to enjoy a cigarette after a good meal at a restaurant while sitting in the Smoking Section?