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Feds Shut Down Amish Milk Farm

February 15, 2012 by  

Feds Shut Down Amish Milk Farm

The Food and Drug Administration has won its two-year fight to shut down an Amish farmer who was selling fresh raw milk from his Pennsylvania farm to customers in the Washington, D.C., area.

According to The Washington Times, the FDA began investigating Rainbow Acres Farm, owned by Daniel Allgyer, in 2009. The Federal agency conducted a full investigation complete with a 5 a.m. surprise inspection and a straw-purchase sting operation to bust the farmer for selling natural milk across State lines.

Allgyer’s customers are furious about a recent decision by Judge Lawrence F. Stengel that said he could no longer sell his milk outside of Pennsylvania; doing so would subject him to hefty FDA fines. Allgyer has decided to shut down his farm altogether.

“I can’t believe in 2012 the federal government is raiding Amish farmers at gunpoint all over a basic human right to eat natural food,” said one of the farmer’s customers, who asked not to be named but received weekly shipments of eggs, milk, honey and butter from Rainbow Acres and feared FDA retaliation. “In Maryland, they force taxpayers to pay for abortions, but God forbid we want the same milk our grandparents drank.”

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  • former walmart person

    Amish my rear. What the heck is he afraid of? Death? LOL, and here I thought the Amish were the most righteous unafraid people on the planet who support Christ better than anyone. Turns out they are just cowards like anyone else. Have fun groveling to worldy authority. Guess they don’t beleive Thomas Jefferson “defiance of tyranny is obedience to God”

    • Patriot II

      Former; Your comments make absolutley no sense at all. They are from left Field, and have very little to do with the subject matter, and more to do with the opportunity to attack Christians than anything else.

      • former walmart person

        Sorry I only attack hypocrit christians. Real Christians face the lions for their beliefs so to speak.

        • former walmart person

          Or to put it another way from Christ Jesus “he who loses his life for my sake will find it”. Do not build up treasures of this world where moth and dust and blah blah blah may destroy, but instead, build for yourself treasures in heaven where the dust not toucheth, etc., etc.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, let you be the first to check that out former Walmart person.

            former dairy queen consumer

        • Patriot II

          former; So you like to attack All Christians who are (in your Court of Judgement) all Hypocrits?

        • Patriot II

          former, what is it abou this amish person that makes him un-Christian,
          again I fial to see you point at all. What was he supposed to do that he didn’t do???

          • former walmart person

            Simple: continue selling milk as his God given right even if it means death or impisonment. Perhaps when he is behind bars or incapacitated members of the community will rise up more.

          • former walmart person

            Anyways, the last person I would think would ever be afriad of death is the Amish. They are so committed to Christ, that they live without technology for Heaven’s sake. If anything, they should welcome death, especially if they die for Christ’s sake because they instantly go to Heaven to be with Him.

            I guess the bottom line, is a fundamental hard core Christian being afraid of death and groveling before human authority and not God’s authority makes about as much sense as a hard core radical Islamist permitting his teenage daughter to walk around showing her stomach.

          • cawmun cents

            The reality is not to die for CHRIST in the manner of forfeiting life itself,but to forfeit the temptations that the world brings to you in daily life.
            This is where you are confused.
            Perhaps many or all of us are confused when it comes to eisegesis of Biblical scripture.When you add your own meaning to words that mean something entirely different,you cannot help but be confused.
            The Amish,whether correctly or eisegesically,see the modren world as sinful.They have noted that there is more dependence on gubment when you have to use technologies.They would rather depend on Christ in the sense that they dont want to become dependent on gubment.Note that I use the term”gubment”.That is because I do not see the current fiasco that we enjoy in leadership as true government.I share in that way,the opinion of the Amish,in that I would rather depend on God in my reasoning and supplications than the spectre of gubment that is now extant here in America.
            The gubment has chosen to rule by tyrannical regulation,the way things are done within our borders.The Bible states that all governments are put in power by God,so that we should follow the rule of law to the extent that it is good to not be imprisoned for doing wrong in the face of the laws.
            But regarding tyrannical rule there is silence in the Biblical scripture about how to deal with tyrannical laws,with the notable exception of peoples reluctance to violate their view of Gods law,as in the Book of Daniel.When you are told to follow tyrannical laws which dictate that you must rely on gubment for your livelyhoods,it may be necessary to be persecuted to keep with your core beliefs.
            We all as Christians will suffer these persecutions to a degree.
            Some much worse than others,but the chance to suffer as a result of our beliefs is part of being who we are.
            Many see that as our weakness,thinking that meek makes weak.
            But we who know the Lord as our savior see it as the strength by which we can overcome the world.
            Yes I am a voice of concern when it comes to colorful rants,that I make in my posts,not always with Christ in mind when I make them.
            Perhaps I should avoid these tendencies in the light that others may interpret them in a bad way.But let me make perfectly clear that I have complete reliance upon Christ,and not by my own works,that I have salvation and the blessings that come as a result,whether that causes persecutuins by non-believers or not.I gladly accept whatever crtitcism and fault which I have,in the knowledge that ultimately God will decide my fate.
            All governments and men share in that condition.
            -CC.

    • O.P.

      While I agree with the last line of your post, I have to say that I disagree with your harshness. If it has gone unnoticed, let me bring it to your attention: We are no longer free in “America.” We are no longer allowed to raise our children the way were raised, and now, this poor gentleman is shutting down his livelihood just to get away from morons in the government. I cannot say that I blame him. I think it’s pretty sad that he’s giving up everything he’s known just to escape government oppression. Can ya blame him? I’m sorry, but America has gone downhill…sad.

      • former walmart person

        Freedom is a choice, not a state. The consequences, of course, may very depending on the nation you are in. Only the brave will keep and deserve their freedom. We are not much better than chimpanzees who rape and kill members of other tribes. Only way to keep liberty is to fight for it. I don’t mean picking up the machine gun and the mortar to attack, as I also beleive violence is only for self defense. What I do mean is showing some diamond hard balls like Ghandi and MLK JR and engaging in civil disobedience to force the state to bare its naked tyranny for all to see.

        • Karolyn

          This raw milk situation has been going on for a while. The farmer had not stopped selling his milk to the group in Virginia and was still operating in defiance of the government. At this point, what can he do? When the gov. come in and closes down a farm, they make it impossible to continue. I feel as you do as far as protesting. I have supported this farmer and signed petitions when they have become available. What is needed is for more people to wake up!!! Unfortunately, there are too many people who are afraid to drink raw milk and even afraid to eat eggs fresh from a farm (I’ve known a couple of these. They will only eat eggs bought at a store. Dumb, huh?) They just follow along with the FDA’s edicts.

          • O.P.

            Karolyn, I call folks who follow so closely behind the government’s tail–sheep. =0) I think it is ridiculous that he is not allowed to sell his milk and other products to out-of-staters. If he’s an honest man, and the Amish in my area are extremely honest (brutally, even), he will tell his customers when the milk was expressed and so on. The FDA are a bunch of babies who wanted their way; in my opinion, nothing but a bunch of bullies. Sure wish I had a cow; I love fresh milk! I haven’t had any since I was very little. I just think it is a travesty and truly feel for the fellow.

          • Ellen

            I think a huge part of the problem is that most people don’t realize how bad our food system is and that we should be looking for places to buy fresh, real food. Our society tries to portray these people as weirdos. We are sort of brainwashed into thinking they are until one day some of us have a revelation. If we attempt to spread the word to our friends, we look odd because of the stigma. People think you must have unshaven artpits and dreadlocks to want fresh food. This goes true for health care, too. I think the funniest part is that people living in rural areas (not congested slums) in 3rd world countries are healthier than we are and they have no access to medical care. They don’t have measles, chicken pox, polio, etc. that we are vaccinated for. They also aren’t obese and they don’t have any of our issues with heart disease, cancer and diabetes. We, foolishly, are trying to go around the world and vaccinate them. Why? India has been vaccinating against polio for years without success. Now they say they need a stronger vaccine; maybe the vaccine never worked. This is another issue to avoid telling friends if you want to keep your reputation as a normal person.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Karolyn,

            Way to go.I am with you.Lets shut down food and drug companies down.They put poisonous chemicals and preservatives in our foods that causes all kinds of human afflictions,such as cancer,type 2 diabetes, liver and kidney failure.There are too many maladies to count.Most of them are man made.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, those poor girls don’t know anything about no government, they got to be milked or sucked, any volunteers?

            A 5 am inspection for a dairy farmer and you are “late”. Bedtime is 7 pm and breakfast is at 3.

            I hope that they work this out.

        • O.P.

          Former, I absolutely AGREE with that statement! I do believe it is time for the people to rise up out of this rubble of a nation and take back that which is ours. If you enjoy politics, old and new, then I am sure you have read where Abe Lincoln stated that it is the people who make the government and the people who have the right to overthrow it and create anew. That would be showing some serious diamond hard balls!! lol =0) I apologize for my crassness; I just tend to get really wound up when discussing the “government.” Since Obama took office, my life has been insane! He is no help; he only worsens the already-existing issues. It’s time for the people to actually think about who they are voting for, before they vote for the wrong one! Again. Civil disobedience? Oh, I’d say so. For example, look at the Occupy movement. People didn’t expect it to last as long as it has, yet there it is, forced into the faces of those who repeatedly screw us little people. Civil disobedience (Occupy Movement) is our way of setting things straight. I say to them, good job! I say to you, great post! =0)

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Karolyn

            Sorry about the extra (down)

        • Karolyn

          Sorry I misread the article. Now I see that he decided to shut down his operation. I understand your premise. I guess he just couldn’t take the pressure anymore. I know I wouldn’t quit. However, we must look at it from his viewpoint. We don’t know how much harrassment he was going through. The Amish do not like to be in the limelight and live simple, godly, unassuming lives. This type of controversy goes against their beliefs.

          • Rick

            First, of all ths is not about religon.It’s about a family man who gave up isincome making ability to keep a roof over his family’s head. and stay out of jasil wherehe cannot protect or help his family. We need to set up that congress is the day to day business manager for The day to Day operation of the country. But then WE THE PEOPLE vote and pass the laws.That would end the political coruption in government.

          • Vicki

            Rick writes:

            …. WE THE PEOPLE vote and pass the laws.That would end the political coruption in government.

            All we need to end political corruption in government is to elect people who have and will fully honor their oath to and actually understand the Constitution and its specific limits on government power. People like Ron Paul and Rand Paul.

            Having “We, The People” vote and pass laws directly will not solve the problem. If it could California, which has the people voting directly on laws, would be a Constitutional Paradise.

    • http://samrolley peggy morris

      his sounds like a power play to me. For 11 years I drank milk without any even being refrigeraed in Ky. I am healthy and I didn’t mature early like the girls nowadays. Maybe it was the lack of hormones and antibiotics in our milk. How stupid of our government; every time I think I can’t be shocked about USA , something like this occurs. sincerely, Peggy Morris

      • eddie47d

        These laws have been on the books for decades so the solution is to fight the laws and get them repealed. The same could be said about Marijuana or natural herbs. You are so correct about hormones in milk and beef. They are doing unnatural things to our bodies and sometimes I feel we are slowly embalming ourselves with these man made fixes.

        • Vicki

          eddie47d says:

          These laws have been on the books for decades so the solution is to fight the laws and get them repealed. The same could be said about Marijuana or natural herbs.

          One of the few times in which Eddie47d and I are in agreement.

          It does make you wonder why Eddie47d most often wants more and bigger government control over our lives though. Maybe there are more than one Eddie47d.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki You miss the point. There are issues we liberals agree with you on. There are issues liberals disagree with liberals on; and there are issues conservatives disagree with conservatives on. It’s an oversimplification to just put somebody in a box. Labels don’t necessarily fit. In my american government class, we had to discuss whether we thought labels were important in politicians. My view is why should anybopdy be confined to a label – dem, repub, left, right, etc. People, especially politicians, should be judged by their views, not their label.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn misses the point by writing:

            Vicki You miss the point. There are issues we liberals agree with you on.

            There are symptoms that we may agree on but the actual issues we most certainly do not. The issue that matters and the ONLY issue that matters is Freedom vs Slavery. Small government vs Big government. Are we free to own property or are we slaves of the state with the state influenced or controlled media keeping us busy arguing over symptoms as though they were the issue.

            Are we free to travel as we will or do we constantly have to “show our papers”? And get a strip search and/or a free grope too.

            Are we freer under the current administration than we were under the previous ones. The Patriot Act was bad. The NDAA 2012 is far worse. There are many more examples.

        • eddie47d

          I don’t hate government per say but don’t like laws that do more harm than good. There are several issues that the government should stand back on and not force upon anyone.

          • Vicki

            like private property ownership?

          • Deerinwater

            no Vicky, why knock the ball out of bounds just because you see an opportunity?

      • sunshineIQ

        Something’s going on when girls mature early. Plus why are so many sexually disordered? I read once about female hormones in soy milk. That wouldn’t be good for a male. I know a doctor who says humans shouldn’t even drink milk after childhood based on: what older animal continues to drink milk besides humans? The PTB don’t want us to drink any milk. Just eat fruits and veggies.

    • ArkansasRebel

      Former; You talk a great talk but do you live according to your own judgment? Do you pay income tax? Why? It’s no legal authority. How about carrying your guns? After all you should be able to walk down the street with your gun at your side, do You? When you examine your own self you will quickly find that you have no room to judge other people. Government has intruded in our personal lives in many, many ways & we have to know when to fight for our rights. In other words we have to know when & how to pick our battles. Was it worth it for this farmer to jeopardize the further welfare of his family by going to jail or at the least paying a hefty fine for the sake of your personal rights? You condemn yourself by you judgment of him.

      • Patriot II

        Arkansas; I was thinking of the reply I was going to give to “Former”
        and will say that you said it for me! My sentiiments exactly-thanks!

        We all wish we had not let it go this far, but now we need to choose our battles, or we go under with this present corrupt Government. Proverbs: 3, 5-6

        • Mom Henning

          He who fights and runs and runs away shall live to fight another day. Don’t underestimate the Amish. They have the courage of their convictions and are strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. It ain’t over till its over!

      • TheOtherWhiteMeat

        Hehehe-you da MAN, ArkReb!

      • former walmart person

        I am not the one parading around as being so righteous that I shun the technological world. In the same vane, its like a Navy SEAL yelling at a 10 year old for being a coward by not storming the beach head. You expect the Navy SEAL to charge without fear.

        I am just surprised that the amish man would give into tyranny when doing so would score browny points with the Lord.

        • former walmart person

          I mean not doing so.

          • NC

            How many brownie points will the farmer, any farmer, who sells tainted milk and eggs that kills some children gain with the lord? Especially when he failed to render unto Caesar the power to attempt to provide safe products for the children? Whether or not you are serving the lord is the lord’s decision not yours? How do ever know? Does he tell you? are you hearing voices? Where are FDA rules mentioned in the so you know exactly?Bible

        • Opal the Gem

          “I am not the one parading around as being so righteous that I shun the technological world.”

          And just what does this have to do with whether you defy the government as you say the farmer should do?

        • independent thinker

          “I am not the one parading around as being so righteous that I shun the technological world.”

          How do you know he shuns the technological world? All the Amish I know drive automobiles, have cell phones, use computerized cash registers in their retail stores, etc. A few even own and use computers.

        • libertytrain

          former walmart person is not too … oh never mind… not worth it on some folks, there is one thing that can’t be fixed, as Jeff H has pointed out.

    • PJG

      Former Walmart person, Maybe you need to actually READ the article before bashing someone from behind your anonymous little computer screen.
      The Amish farmer never said he was afraid of anything. He just said he would shut down his farm because he would be subject to hefty FDA fines.
      One of the farmers “customers” made the statement that looks like he is afraid of the government.
      You need to re-read, then think about it before slamming someone who can’t fight back.
      The good news is that at least the Amish farmer won’t ever see your weak, unfair, and hurtful comments.
      You seem to be able to quote scripture, how about living it?

    • James

      Former Walmart Person, The Amish said they would no longer sell their milk outside of Pennsylvania, which was interstate commerce and triggered the federal intervention. Selling within Pennsylvania locks out the feds.

      • Bill

        Me think-est that you should learn what the constitution says about interstate commerce. the high court made a bad decision on the interpretation of this. It was never meant to prohibit interstate commerce but to facilitate trade between the states. this article should be reviewed by a sane court.

      • James Harrold

        Bill, Article I, Section 8, clause 3 reads: “The Congress shall have power To regulate Commerce with Foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes.” Congress has power to regulate commerce “among the several States,” not within a State. This is usually eferred to as the “Interstate Commerce” clause. The feds have no power to regulate commerce within a state.

    • Quiet_Forest

      The Amish are pacifists. My guess is, when they finally get fed up enough with the trouble the Feds are causing, and/or just before the real fireworks begin sometime this year or the next, they will pick up and leave the United States en masse. They’ve done that sort of thing before.

    • Terri S

      I looked this case on the FDA website. They have had an ongoing problem with this man. This letter, from 2005, is very specific about what they found wrong on this farm.

      The latest actions are from sending unlabeled, raw, unpasteurized milk across state lines. This law has been in effect since 1987. And he has been warned that, if he does not follow the law, he will be taken to court. He failed to follow the law and an injunction was issued against him.

      This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with food safety. And he knew the rules, but he decided that he was exempt from them.

      I drink unpasteurized goat milk. I get it locally, and have been to see the farm and the equipment. I, also, have looked at their approval certificates. Between those certificates and seeing how they handle the milk, I have confidence that the milk that I get from them is not likely to cause an illness. But the thing is – THEY follow the rules. This man chose not to. There are quite a few Amish dairy farms in PA, and they have ALL chosen to follow the law. What leads this man to believe that he shouldn’t have to?

    • 2¢ worth…

      The Amish don’t fear death W.P. thy fear the system, but not for themselves but for their fellow brothers when they protest (man’s) law and follow their beliefs.. Just as you would fear the feds if they broke into your home, told you to cease and desist any and all (place your freedom here).. Would you rebel against their might knowing full well that if you did, they would storm back.. Subdue you then threaten your entire family if you fail to comply? Would you stand up to what you knew was the right thing ALSO knowing that you would be responsible for others’ fates if you do so? Number one: The Amish wants nothing to do with what we call reality, they do things for the benefit of others if they step over the line.. Others can argue, become enraged and even write their congressman but nothing can save the Amish if the feds decide to go ‘ David Koresh’ on them so, keep your attitude until they come breaking down your door in the name of safety and ignore their gestapo tactics for your loved one’s sake. Obviously you know nothing about the Amish or the fourth Reich..

  • tim

    Obama has to show his power on the little guy. He’s just a little twerp that won an election from illegal votes and stupid people who believed all his BS and transparency. Yeah transparency, that’s why everything is done behind closed doors. Hopefully he will lose the 2012 election and some of the things he did can be overturned!

    • O.P.

      Tim, I could not agree with you more! Beautifully said. I tried to sway my family away from his side of the election ballot, but they fell for his lies hook, line, and sucker! Well, I did not, and will not ever vote for Barack Obama. I knew he was false from the start, and my opinion of him now is much, much worse than when he first campaigned! I think he is a stain on America’s list of presidents. Past presidents were able to straighten out at least one issue before the end of their first term; what has he done? Hmmm, still have no jobs, housing is in the dumps, welfare system is taking over the parenting role; what NEXT?? I’m with you; I’m voting for the other guy!! =)

    • Karolyn

      Obama has nothing to do with it. It is just the progression of the power of the FDA and the other departments that we have allowed to go on unchecked. It started a long time ago. Have you signed petitions, written your congresspeople or marched in protest?

      • kkflash

        Obama has everything to do with it. He is the current head of the government power-grab machine, and the most power-grabbing person to hold the office that we’ve ever had. Have you read anything about his proposed budget? Did you listen to the bald-faced lies his budget director and other minions told to the nation in their post-proposal statements and press conference? Did you listen to Senator Jefferies of Alabama give the straight-forward Republican response that easily exposed the obvious Obama lies? He says his budget reduces spending by $2.50 for every $1.00 of tax increases, but his new budget spends $100 billion MORE than last year’s unfunded spending. A 2nd grader can do the math and see there is no cut in spending, only large tax increases. Obama is a cancer, destroying the country by out-of-control government growth. He must be defeated. His democratic colleagues in Congress must be defeated. The RINO Republicans must be defeated. Government must shrink. The Constitution must be defended. RON PAUL should be our presidential choice in 2012, either on the Republican ticket, or as an independent.

        • fiscalsoundbiteme

          Glad to see that you get it at least…the majority are so ignorant of this illegal potus it’s scarey!!!

      • eddie47d

        Karolyn is right and change comes from Congress who has control over the FDA and other government agencies. Know where your Congressperson stands on raw milk or any other issue then vote your beliefs. Blaming this rule on raw milk on Obama shows a shallowness with the anti-Obama crowd. Now if you write to the White House and Obama says he supports the actions of the FDA on raw milk then you will have proof of where he stands. Until then you are blowing smoke.

        • Vicki

          eddie47d says:

          Karolyn is right and change comes from Congress who has control over the FDA and other government agencies.

          IF Congress actually wrote the laws instead of letting the administrations beuracrats write them we would have fewer problems. Write your congressman and demand they support the Write the Laws act.
          https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/write-the-laws/

      • Mom Henning

        How about just not buying junk food and maybe growing some of your own using sustainable methods? Bypass the evil government edicts and the medical mess. Long ago my family and I opt out of the system and never regreted it. So what if the uninformed think you have horns and eat hay? Don’t support your own destruction financially. You still have a choice. Vote with your billfold, that is a voice they all pay attention to. Honor the truth, and it will honor you.

  • John H

    Walmart person, Have You ever tryed taking on the F.D.A. or any other Federal Goverment branch. The have unlimited funds, people and time. This is another step in the direction there taking for total control. We the people let the Amish farmer down.There should have been a up riasing over this. We all need to band togather now before we become a military state and we all end up in a civial war.

    • former walmart person

      No, I haven’t. However, have you considered the consequences if we don’t eventually take on the federal government (using peaceful but forecful civil disobedience)? The Jews gave in to Nazi authority and look where that got them. At least if they stood up and said no more it would have been quick… I have gone 24 hours before without food. I can’t imagine weeks without food. I would be ready to eat my own feet…

      • James

        I would have said the Germans gave into the Jews and that’s what brought on Hitler.

        • former walmart person

          What are you talking about? People who bash Isreal and the Jewish people in general for all the ills of the world are saddling the sins of the few on the many. Our real enemy has always been elitists. Elitists in power and control of a country. With precious few exceptions throughout human history, the elitists in control of societies tend to be tyrants. Yes, there are many tyranical bankers pulling the strings who happen to be Jewish. Just as there are evil, corrupt Chinease, evil and corrupt Japanese, evil and corrupt, Americans, Hindus, Muslums, “Christians” (in quotes because true christians would never aspire to abuse power), etc., etc. etc.

          The enemy is elitist controllers. Be they Jew or not. You can’t blame some raggy, old 80 year old Jewish woman starving in Isreal for being guilty of crimes against humanity.

          • eddie47d

            Thanks for saying that walmart.

          • Karolyn

            Starving? In Israel?

    • http://www.motorcars Brad

      Amish Farmer or Gibson Guitars…

      We the tax payers now own 23% of a car company that spent 1 billion dollars building a car no one wants. each sold cost us 500k and sold for 46k. huge loss and now they want to give you a 10k insentive to buy the piece of —–. Claim they have sold 5700 of the 7000 built but GE another Obama supporter bought 750 or so for company fleet vehicles at no one really knows the price paid for each and we probably will nevcer know.

      The truth is when they are spending your money and not theirs they can provide you with some fantastic shell games at your cost.

  • Karolyn

    I’m glad we can buy raw milk in South Carolina. Unfortunately, the sellers are few and far between. Now, if you’re talking goat milk, there are goats everywhere. There are states where you cannot purchase raw milk. That is why he was transporting it to a group in Virginia where they cannot buy it.

    • Karolyn

      Sorry, not Virginia, Maryland.

  • Dens

    This is just another example of our government pulling out all the stops to nail another small, politically incorrect, individual who (they) consider worthy of a full blown DOJ, FDA sting operation and for what? Selling raw milk to willing customer’s who know what their getting?

    Why doesn’t the DOJ and every other “department” in this corrupt government put that kind of effort into stopping illegals and truly dangerous drugs and drug dealers at the border? No they would rather pick on a little farmer, especially a little capitalist farmer. The fact that he is a little religious, capitalist farmer just adds an extra bit of sweetness to our Gestapo’s enjoyment.

    I’ll bet the government toady who bought the milk in the sting is really proud. Big promotion perhaps? Obersturmfueher? That would be fitting.

    • kkflash

      You’re right about the FDA needing to back off their over-regulating policies that put people like the Amish farmer out of business. But, you’re wrong about them diverting their attention to the war on illegal drugs. The DOJ’s and FDA’s war on drugs has been a collosal failure. It spends hundreds of billions. It gets people killed. It fills up our prisons with mostly non-violent “drug-offenders”. It does not, and has not, reduced the use of dangerous drugs. In spite of their efforts, the US has some of the highest rates of dangerous drug use in the world, higher than nations where those drugs have been legalized. Education is where that money should be spent, to teach people and especially kids the facts about using mood-altering substances. Allowing government to use force to legislate moral choices is unconstitutional and just as wrong as Obama forcing religious organizations to pay for abortifacients. The underground economy of the illicit drug trade is worth billions in tax revenue if those drugs are legalized, instead of billions in expenses to try and legislate and regulate morality, which history has shown, simply does not work.

  • http://mozilla tom

    looks like big government is at it again, bringing their will on people
    maybe they want every one to tow their crazy laws, which is only for rich bureaucrats to make, no freedom here.

  • Elaine

    why does the Fed care what we eat or drink? thats not their BUSINESS! I want ORGANIC NON PESTICIDE NON HORMONAL GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS! DOWN WITH WHAT THE FEDS WANT! BACK OFF!

    • NC

      Elaine, what are the safety standards of the countries we import food products from! Got any fear at all of what they may send here if we do not monitor it? Who monitors it? You? Yo momma? The FDA? Why monitor that food and let uncaring Americans sell dirty product? Have you noticed how much and how fast tainted food gets into our stores?
      Find what foods you want ot MUST have but the rest of us appreciate the government’s concern for our health> I don’t mind their authority because I can still vote, own a gun, travel where I want to when I want to! What part of that ‘oppression” bothers you?

  • Sheldon

    I think it is obvious that the Feds are fed up with consumers and producers that want raw fresh milk. Good natural products are better for a human. Look at the opposite, pasteurized milk contains dead bacteria and probably better to maintain an unhealthy life style. I challenged The Doctors on the TV to put caution tape on the shelves of grocery stores that they believe is not as healthy as it could be. Will they do it? They tout whole grains, less sugar, and fresh fruits and vegetables. By the way I grew up on raw milk, Dad milked cows twice a day.

    • Terri S

      Your Dad, also, more than likely had clean hands and equipment when he did so. And he wasn’t selling it across state lines.

  • Retired Govt Worker

    “In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature.” –James Madison, Federalist No. 52, 1788

    • Ted Crawford

      Good post Retired!
      Thomas Jefferson addressed this exact issue himself. “If the people let Government decied what foods they eat and what medicine they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tryanny”

      • 45caliber

        But if the government CAN list what foods you eat, then they can insist that you buy only from their supporters – and can insure that if you don’t support those in office, you can’t get anything to eat.

        • Terri S

          Where, exactly, have you gotten the idea that our Government has lists of what we can, and cannot, eat? A like to that would help.

  • fiscalsoundbiteme

    TYPICAL GUBMINT!!! From cow’s milk directly to bull’s hit! The FDA is too corupt to believe as is the rest of gubmint agencies….get a pitch fork at the ready!!! Here come da potus

  • Sirian

    This is simply another subversive move by our “all knowing” government – which isn’t anything as it was initially designed to be by our Constitution. There are plenty of examples of this type of intrusion be it the FDA, EPA etc. etc. etc. What’s troubling is that we are continuously allowing it to happen. Even more so, from the looks of things, the number of intrusions will escalate in the not so distant future. Are we happy yet?

  • ajax

    The customers should as we did years ago before wine could be shipped to consumers across state lines. Form a car pool and take turns going to the farm.A little bootlegging is good for people who resent the boot of Tierney on their neck. A liberating feeling.

    • Mom Henning

      Attaboy! Start your own underground black market for natural, unrefined unprocessed foods! What is being sold in so-called health food stores is about as bad as goods in the conventional supermarket. Let the buyer beware. Keep under the radar though. Big Brother is still watching you. You just might get busted for consuming raw milk, God forbid.

    • Terri S

      Bootlegging? What are you talking about? This man was told that he could not sell this milk across state lines because he was not following the law, which has been in place since 1987. He decided that he did not have to follow the law if he didn’t want to. He was wrong.

      There is absolutely nothing to stop people from going to his farm to buy the milk.

  • Norm

    Milk and milk products provide a wealth of nutrition benefits. But raw milk can harbor dangerous microorganisms that can pose serious health risks to you and your family. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 800 people in the United States have gotten sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk since 1998.

    Raw milk is milk from cows, sheep, or goats that has not been pasteurized to kill harmful bacteria. This raw, unpasteurized milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria, which are responsible for causing numerous foodborne illnesses.

    These harmful bacteria can seriously affect the health of anyone who drinks raw milk, or eats foods made from raw milk. However, the bacteria in raw milk can be especially dangerous to pregnant women, children, the elderly, and people with weakened immune systems.

    • Ted Crawford

      Come on Norm Did you even read what you posted? 800 people, over 14 years, became sick? More people have died from the hiccups in that same time frame!

      • Norm

        The reason it’s only 800 people is that it is illegal to buy unpasteurized milk!
        How many people have died from polio?

        • Norm

          leagal = not legal

          • ChristyK

            What you have left out is how many people have died from drinking pasteurized milk. If pasteurized milk gets contaminated after pasteurization, it grows the bad bacteria much faster than unpasteurized milk does. What is important is that the milk is from healthy animals and it is handled carefully to prevent contamination. Unpasteurized milk is easier to digest and has more readily absorbed vitamins and minerals.

            I have friends living overseas in 3rd world countries. Several thought they were allergic to milk because they couldn’t tolerate American pasteurized milk. When they went overseas, they were able to drink as much unpasteurized milk as they wanted without any health issues. The FDA would have treated that milk as inedible, but it is actually healthier.

        • Karolyn

          It is not illegal. And if you would do some research, you would find that those stats are skewed. Sorry I don’t have the citation, but I did a while back. check out the Weston A. Price Org. They are a champion of good whole foods. You sound like the typical sheep on the street. I bet you even get a flu vaccination.
          http://www.westonaprice.org

        • independent thinker

          I know of nowhere it is illegal to BUY raw milk. Depending on where you live it can be illegal to sell it. Where I live you can sell raw milk as long as it is marked “not for human consumption”.

          • Karolyn

            I had heard that in some states it could be sold for animal consumption. I can get it here, but I would have to drive 75 miles, and it is only available at that site one day per week. If I wasn’t working, I would do it once a week. There are no dairy farms around here, more’s the pity. If I liked goat milk, I’d be in 7th heaven. This is like “Goat City” around here.

    • former walmart person

      Your point? Far more than 800 people have died in their vehicles since 1998, but for some reason there is defeaning silence on your part on talking about the death machines on our highway…Could it just be, that living free involves a certain amount of risk? do you think all powerful and historically corrupt government can eliminate all risk to produce the perfect and safe society?

      • 45caliber

        I noticed years ago that the government is always willing to “protect” you by attacking some minor thing like raw milk usage or preventing you from using red hair dye (which was recinded finally).

        But they never attack the problems where it is THEIR actions. I work for Dow Chemical – which has an excellent safety program. Several years ago after several deaths at a government manufacturing site (nukes) they asked some of Dow’s safety people to make a site visit and recommend ways to increase safety. The first thing they discovered was that the workers there were NOT being told any of the hazards of the materials they were working with, which is an OSHA requirement. When they pointed out to the officials in charge that they needed to teach the workers what the hazards were, the person running the place said, “But I could never get anything done around here if the workers knew what was dangerous!”

        • Les

          TSA Agents standing around the radiating scanners comes to mind on the safety of government low level employees. With this economy and the high unemployment, thinning the herd of bottom dwellers is probably a good thing. ROTFLMAO

          They don’t care about the workers. Look how they use up our troops as nonelectric popup targets all over the planet. All of their equipment comes from the lowest bidders. Hell they still use a weapon designed and fielded by a civilian that never saw combat or ever wore the uniform. It just proves what they think of people at the lower levels.

      • eddie47d

        “If they knew what they were working with they wouldn’t get anything done”. Well Caliber that only proves the dangers of all the chemicals these companies put out on the market. You may have had a good safety record but how many people have been affected outside of the plant. We know how well Agent Orange worked on folks.

        • Buster the Anatolian

          eddie you missed the whole point of 45′s post. That point is that the government ignores rules the rest of the country has to follow.

        • eddie47d

          Some businesses ignore the rules that the government set up or put products on the market that aren’t safe such as those chemicals. Chemicals effect everyone and raw milk is a personal choice and I do see the difference.

        • 45caliber

          eddie:

          It depends upon the political affiliation of the person as to whether Agent Orange (actually dioxin) is a danger or not.

          I worked for a company that destroyed dioxin in contaminated items such as soil. We had to go through a month long training session on it as well as some other items such as PCBs.

          Actually, dioxin is dangerous to plants, some insects, and some fish. It is basically harmless to humans. It was proved at one time but the government already had it listed as a toxic substance. When it was requested to be taken off the list, the government insisted that if they did, they would get sued by all the companies (like the one I worked for) that had big government contracts to destroy it.

          If you look at the RCRA regulations, which identify toxins, it states that a toxin is anything that can cause injury “or anything the government states can cause injury”. That statement is in there simply because of dioxin.

      • Steven

        My only question on this, Statistics on automobile related deaths vs miles driven- deaths from raw milk vs gallons consumed… Not pro or con, just wondering….

    • kkflash

      “according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention…” which is another agency of over-reaching government.

      They should do their studies, publish and disseminate the information, and leave people to make their own choices.

    • libertytrain

      How many people get sick on the food that is supposedly checked by the FDA each and every year – and those that die? Yet they spend their time worrying about an Amish Farmer rather than handling mass outbreaks they could have prevented but didn’t due to their own foolish incompetence.
      http://www.topix.com/forum/us/fda/TJCUDIN4EA9G8RVDV

      • 45caliber

        liberty:

        A couple of years ago the FDA was charged with not inspecting all shipments of food into the country. Their arguement was that they needed a lot more people willing to go out of the country to do the inspections and no one wanted to go. So, to justify the employment of the people they have now, they hunt ways in the US to attempt to “prove” they need the people. That’s why they pull things like this. It is also the reason they always come up with new things to bann like red hair dye just before appropriation time in the fall.

        Just a way to “prove” the number of people they employ are required to “protect” you.

        • Les

          When you can’t do the job you are assign you do something I call busy work. It has nothing to do with your actual job but you don’t look like you’re just sitting around. This is happening in every Federal and State Government Agency and Department.

          • 45caliber

            Correct.

        • libertytrain

          I sure as heck don’t feel protected by this agency. Sure, I’m sure they may get some things correct. However for such a huge agency they sure don’t get the right things correct.

          • 45caliber

            liberty:

            When the FDA was first set up, they were badly needed since nothing had been checked. After five years or so, they had identified about 95% of all harmful things. But they had all these employees they didn’t want to lay off, particularly since the bosses would have to go back to work at a lower level. So they create busy work to keep them on the payroll.

          • libertytrain

            Perhaps we could send them to China to watch the pet food, toothpaste, baby formula, seafood…. That would give them some real work -

    • kkflash

      Raw milk also contains pro-biotic bacteria, that populate the intestines and aid in digestion. As a long-time drinker of kefir, I can personally attest to how these helpful bacteria solved digestive problems I had for years before discovering this truth. Pasteurization is not selective in its bacteria killing. The good is destroyed with the bad. Based on my personal experience, I’ll put my money on milk being good for you without industrial modification.

      • 45caliber

        kk:

        Despite what they say, pasteurization is meant to make milk last longer in stores – not make it safer to drink.

        When I grew up, I lived on a farm. We had our own cow and drank raw milk all the time. I had no trouble with it and love milk to this day. But after I moved away, all I could get was pasteurized milk – and I immediately developed alergy problems I never had as a child. Luckily they aren’t really bad as I refuse to give up milk products. But I’m convinced that this is the reason for the problems.

  • 45caliber

    If I remember correctly, this farmer was NOT selling out of state as charged. He was selling to those who showed up at his farm.

    The FDA had a straw buyer drive to his farm in PA from NJ and bought some milk. Because the buyer was from out of state and crossed the state line, they charged the farmer with selling out of state.

    As far as I’m concerned, if someone is selling at his residence/work site, then he’s selling in state. Once he sells, what the buyer does is not his fault.

    • eddie47d

      Excellent point Caliber I didn’t think of that aspect.

    • Vicki

      That is more than enough reason for the farmer to demand a day in court. It is expensive however and this is probably the problem.

  • 45caliber

    I’ll tell you what! Let’s let the government and the FDA go after a REALLY dangerous thing!

    Football! Let’s have them protect all the prospective football players by banning football! There are more killed and injured per year (particularly injured) at this sport than any raw milk problem!

    One thing about this, if some politician or official started pushing this I could bet that he wouldn’t be in office very long! And I can hear those in favor of it (mostly politicians) now: “The players know the dangers and chose to do this!”

    The same argument goes for those buying and using raw milk.

    Let’s hear it from all of you! Ban football for safety reasons!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      45, and Soccer, Hocky, Skateboarding, Snowboarding, Skiing, Skydiving, Walking, Tennis, Horseback riding and on and on….oh wait, there is no payoffs in these, are there?

  • Disgusted

    This is just plain wrong. The pasteurization of milk kills everything good in the product. Pasteurized milk is a dead product and there is no benefit from drinking it. Raw milk is so healthy that you could actually survive drinking just it, if you had to: http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html

    I think it is terrible that we are regulated like this. I should be able to buy what I want and consume what I want. The government should concentrate on more important issues, like balancing our budget. Instead they are wasting tax payers money raiding these small farms that are providing a wanted product/service. How much did it cost the taxpayer to raid this one farm? No matter how much it was it is too much.

    Our government should be concentrating on regulating wallstreet and the out of control waste!

    • independent thinker

      There was a very good article in Mother Earth News 4 or 5 issues ago on this subject. They discussed raw milk, modern pasteurization, and the pasteurization methods of 50-60 years ago.

      • independent thinker

        The article was in Nov. 2011 not as long ago as I thought.

  • http://yahoo Bernard Martin

    When we get rid of whats in power (obama) I hope we can get back to normal and let people do their thing , the worst goverment agencys are
    F D A AND I R S Martin

    • Angel Wannabe

      B. Martin__… and the EPA!

      • 45caliber

        Dept. of Education and Dept. of Energy too.

  • sb36695

    First they came for you, and I said nothing…

  • grew up on fresh raw milk

    I can’t believe the FDA would do this. I grew up on fresh raw milk as millions of others in this country. I’m still here, living and breathing. It amazes me how the government has taken control of our freedoms and foolishly spends our tax dollars. Daniel Allgyer should fight this disgrace. The media should be helping him to reverse this outrage from the FDA. He has my support as I’m sure other citizens will step up.

    • 45caliber

      grew:

      A couple of weeks ago I saw an article on a research project that they had just finished.

      They paid teens to wear the same jeans every day for six months to prove that the jeans had no more smell after six months than they did after one day.

      Now tell me … what exactly is the point of this “research”? How many millions was spent on it? Why would it matter what jeans smell like after wearing them for six months?

      Why don’t they spend the research money and time on something usefull like curing a disease or something?

      • Deerinwater

        well, hmm? if I’d worn them, they would smell pretty strong by the third day and stood up on their own by the 5th.

        • libertytrain

          deerbob – I agree.

  • Concerned citizen

    It is all about JOB SECURITY, pure and simple. Oops, forgot to mention CONTROL! It took the feds TWO years to close down the Amish farmer….so that was a lot of pay checks for a lot of fed people who like to beat their chests like they are saving the world! Bull…that’s what they want the dumbed down masses to believe! Plus, they don’t like anything that is God like. The feds want to control our every move because control = power and money! They need to take a hike and get a REAL job that involves figuring out a way to earn a living the old fashioned way!

  • Marie

    More of Obama’s Totalitarian System.

    • eddie47d

      Why don’t you try and be more rational like MD Farmer below and some of the others instead of being frivolous.

    • Terri S

      This law has been in place, and has been enforced, since 1987.

  • George2

    This has nothing to do with being Amish…This has happened all over the US. I love clabbered milk, but fresh raw milk makes the best…I cannot buy FRESH milk ANYWHERE. It is against a federal law to sell such. If a body is CAUGHT selling it, it WILL COST him a great fine.The feds are (change that to HAS become) becoming a real pain in the “underside”.

    • Karolyn

      In many states it is not against the law. Check your state laws. I believe there are links at http://www.westonaprice.org. Of course, there are many other sites for raw milk too.

  • MD Farmer

    Milk must be pasteurized, before it can be sold by a farmer. Which is a heating process to kill any bacteria that may be in the milk. It in no way adds or takes away from fresh milk from the cow. It is simply for the protection of consuming the milk. It is a very simple process and a pasteurizer can be purchased for around $30. All dairy farmers and dairy companies know this up front. If the farmer had followed the FDA guidelines of pasturizing the milk, there would have been no problem. I know this, because I was a dairy farmer and I know the dairy cattle today are checked daily for any disease before each milking. However, it is possible for bacteria to be present and not detected. Pasteurizing kills the bacteria, which saves babies and small childrens lives. This is not tyranny or a whim of the government.

    • Karolyn

      You have no clue what’s going on here. The point is the people he was selling to wanted RAW milk! There is a huge market for milk that is actually good for us – RAW MILK – rather than the dead stuff sold in stores. People should be able to eat REAL food without the interference of the government! Do a little research. Go to the Weston R. Price website.

      • Karolyn

        Sorry. It ‘s Weston A. Price. http://www.westonaprice.org/

      • Angel Wannabe

        Agreed K, Raw Milk makes damned good butter too!

        • Deerinwater

          well , that’s what we used, as a boy child following grandmother(s) (I had 5) around, I churned a lots of butter. I was important and special and grandmother was a magician at many things (and I helped!) LOL!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Deerinwater__I still make my own butter, it only takes 10 minutes in a Kicthen Aid Mixer on high speed, heavy cream, a towel, 1 1/2 tsps Salt or to taste, squeeze the whey off and wa-la__BUTTER!

    • Angel Wannabe

      MD, Maybe too some, but I and my Family lived on Raw Milk off my Grandmothers Farm until I was oh about 13__ and I lived?!!

      • 45caliber

        Angel:

        Pasteurization is meant to help keep milk from spoiling for a longer time. It is NOT meant to make it safer.

        I drank raw milk until I was 18. Then I went into the Army where they wouldn’t serve it. The only problem I had with raw milk was that you had to stir up the cream in it before you could drink it since the cream would rise to the top.

    • Terri S

      He, also, was not labeling the milk, like he was supposed to.

  • Karolyn

    Just posting to get posts back. They’re still having problems.

    • libertytrain

      There’s a comment on the end of each article…you can expect more for a day or two while upgrades are made.

  • Rick

    Another case of the federal government telling the consumer what they can and can not eat or drink. The FDA can’t or won’t protect the public from big companies putting god knows what into our food chain. Another worthless overzelous federal agency with no direct supervision or control. Wasting tax dollars on personal and private wars against private citizens. Fire the whole agency along with the EPA. And, a few other money wasting agencies.

  • Buck

    Welcome to the UNITED SOCIALIST STATES of AMERICA . Meet you new ” SS ” now broken into departments such FDA , EPA , ATF&E , and the United States Justice Department . PS: There are many more names to catch citizens off guard , but it is the same old ” SS ” just the same.

    • 45caliber

      One thing: I agree with you, though. But … why is it that every agency must have armed police? Why should a FDA employee need to carry a gun to arrest someone? Why should they even be making an arrest? That’s what the police are for! Yet every agency MUST have their own armed forces. Even the Dept. of Education does!

  • jopa

    Hate to spoil the Obama bashers party on this particular matter however the above mentioned judge was appointed to the bench by George w Bush .Some more rights taken away from Americans because of Dick Chaney and Tator Bush.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      The judge may or may not have been appointed by Bush (I have not checked) but the FDA that brought the case before him is under the control of obama.

    • Angel Wannabe

      jopa, still diggin in the past to blame Bushy for everything, eh, jopa?

  • Karolyn
  • Karolyn

    Find where to get REAL milk here
    http://www.realmilk.com/

  • George2

    In early times (old testament times) God did, not only have a say so about governors (KINGS etc), but DID, personally place (KINGS) over HIS PEOPLE,but He no longer does. He said GOVERNMENTS, are…to be FOR THE GOOD of the people, for PUNISHING those which are evil. 1 Pet 2:13-15, “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him ‘for the PUNISHMENT of evildoers’, and for the PRAISE of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the IGNORANCE of FOOLISHNESS men” BUT…God DID NOT set up A king…BEFORE the people approved that person. THEREFORE…WE, the PEOPLE…ARE to choose…by VOTING.. and hopefully we choose those who will govern RIGHTLY. If we didn’t have governments, ALL would be chaos. We need to choose WISELY. We didn’t last time, BUT WE MUST…this time.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    Boy,, it looks like some more libs just crawled out from under a rock and forgot what year this might be. Bushe’s fault again . The commie infested govt. has for many years controled the food market. And are getting more so daily. As they gain another foot hold ,Food, drugs,contrceptives , and much more. pretty soon the Obummer will tell you what color clothes you can wear and what color of a bycycle you can ride.

  • Janet Wocicki

    The former writers comment is grossly unfair to the farmer. I’m sure that he was afraid of the Feds. Doesn’t surprise me in the least. The Feds can be very frightening. I feel sorry for the farmer. I believe that people should be allowed to buy fresh milk, eggs, vegetables, meat, what ever the farmer is willing to sell. Has this farmer been sited for having unclean or unsanitary or unsafe practices is any manner? If not, then what business is it of the Feds? I thought we still lived in a country that believes in free enterprise including other freedoms also. If in fact, he does not practice cleanliness and does not use sanitary methods of handling his product, then that is another matter intirely. I thought we lived in a country that still abides by the freedoms of the Constitution of the United States. I’m beginning to think that those freedoms are really in trouble unless we get rid of those who think that they are God and can run this country any way they want.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Janet, “I thought we still lived in a country that believes in free enterprise including other freedoms also.

      ANSWER__WE USED TOO!

  • R J C

    Wow what would we ever do with the food police omg 200 years ago all food was organic and natural leave it to the government to say we know more then mother nature and the people mmmm and i thought God make the heavens and earth now we got man who was made by God thinking they know more about nature then God wow how far have we fallen.

  • Bill

    welcome to the United Police States of America. The fascists are here.

  • Bevy

    Jesus would shut down his farm too before the FDA took every dime he had. Mr. Allgyer could not risk more raids without FEAR of the FDA/FTC. The health police could care less if they took every dime you. You could go to court forever the way the system works and Mr. Allyger’s family would be in the poor house. That’s what he was afraid of: losing everything he had because those idots that control our food would make sure he never had a dime left to ever start another business. You forgot that the Amish are not fighter’s they are lovers. Get over yourself Former Walmart person, you’re no different than the other “righties” out there. You missed the whole point.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Bevy__ I’m a so called “righty”, what does that have to do with the selling of Raw Milk?

  • Bob Bateman

    Correct me if I am wrong, they have stopped him for transporting over state lines, not from selling and manufacturing his goods. I agree with his and your anger, but whats wrong with selling it in Pa., why is he shutting down the entire operation?? He is just letting them win..Something doesn’t smell right here.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Bob, I live near the Amish, they are a quiet God fearing people who keep strictly to themselves and they’re kind, unless they work for food stores or retail.
      They don’t like notoriety of any kind, rarely have mirrors and hate the camera, they feel they are vain. I lay ya two to one, he stopped selling the milk completely to keep the GUV completely out of there lives.
      …they are a people who are absolutely self sufficient, and that right there p*sses Big Brother off!

      • independent thinker

        “….who keep strictly to themselves and they’re kind, unless they work for food stores or retail.”

        Angel you might want to rephrase that.

        • Angel Wannabe

          independant, I’ve lived in the same area for more than 30 years, 10 minutes from Amish country. I’ve bought produce and items from them over the years and traveled to there homes. If they know ya, its all right. We never had a problem with them and they’re nothing but cordial, If you’ve had bad experience (other than they don’t like out of Staters), I don’t know what to tell ya, we never did.

          • independent thinker

            ” ……and they’re kind, unless they work for food stores or retail.”

            Angel I did not say the Amish were not kind I said you might want to re-phrase your statement which can easily be read as “they are kind unless they work for food stores or retail”.

    • 45caliber

      Bob:

      As I stated above, he wasn’t transporting the milk over state lines to sell. He was selling to those who showed up at his farm. One of his customers was an FDA man who lived in NJ or Maryland. They charged the farmer with selling across state lines because the FDA man drove across one.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Well the GUV has already infiltrated our
    : bedrooms (with contraception and free abortions via taxpayers)
    : Our Food (Monsanto, genetically modified foods, YUM!)
    : We need license & Paid permits to
    : Fish,
    : Hunt,
    : Drive,
    : Burn trash
    : have livestock
    : build homes and add additons
    Mandatory hookup to public sewers wether the homeowner can afford to or not!
    I must laugh when people ask do you own your home, I always answer yes until I don’t pay the taxes!
    INCONCLUSION, why is it a surprise that the Feds would go after farmers who sell raw milk?
    Just one more aspect, of BIg brother coming down to save us stoopid peons who are so incapable of making our own choices..I’ll revise Toby Keths song ReD Sole Cup….”The GUV can kiss my Azz!

  • Bevy

    I would aay that he closed down the farm because he was not going to be able to sell any of his raw, organic products anywhere in PA. That would be the next step. Mr. Allyger is not the only farmer to have his farm ransacked and threatened with court and severe penalties. No this was a warning for more to come and he did what was best for his family. Big Pharma does not want any healthy people, they need SICK people to make money and they cause alot of the sickness. You can’t treat an acid condition with more acid and ALL drugs are acid!

    • Karolyn

      Actually, he could have continued to sell his raw milk in PA. they got him on crossing the state line into Maryland.

      • independent thinker

        Karolyn, while the article is not specific about it I like 45 get the impression the customers came to him instead of him going to the customer. All the sales seem to have been taking place on his farm some to local people and some to out of state people who came to him. The article also does not say if he is a “horse and buggy” Amish or one of the (for want of a better word) progressive Amish who own moter vehicles.

        • 45caliber

          The govenment FDA ruling was that because he sold to someone from out of state he was guilty of selling across state lines. He didn’t carry it across himself to sell. He never left his farm.

  • Vicki

    I am amused by some of the liberals posting here against the FDA. They don’t seem to have any trouble with the government meddling in many other areas of our lives.

    Now as the the FDA, they should be and should always have been an information gathering organization (like consumer reports magazine). They can tell us what they find and WE decide to drink raw or pasteurized milk.

    The fact that the government, thru the FDA controls our food is to be expected since they think they own us and slave masters always control the food the slaves are allowed to eat.

    • Terri S

      Slaves? What have you been smoking?

      The FDA does not control our food, it controls what is in our food. That is a very, very big difference. The things that have been limited, or forbidden, are because they have been proven to harm people. It’s that simple.

      • Vicki

        Terri S says:

        Slaves? What have you been smoking?

        Nothing as I do not have those vices.

        The FDA does not control our food, it controls what is in our food. That is a very, very big difference.

        A difference that makes no difference no matter how big you think it is matters not.

        The things that have been limited, or forbidden, are because they have been proven to harm people. It’s that simple.

        If raw milk actually harmed people there would be a LOT of harmed people. Alas you have not provided any documentation of all these harmed people. I did notice that quite a few people have commented that they have NOT been harmed by raw milk and history shows us that millions of people were NOT harmed by raw milk in all the centuries that came before the FDA so I must conclude that your assertion of proof is false.

        Now about the 800 lb elephant in the room. Just were does the FDA think we EVER gave it the power to be our mommy?

    • Deerinwater

      I wasn’t going to touch this! ~ no ? ~ I’ll let it pass Vicky.

      at least you said “some liberals”

      I like qualifying statements with boundaries and you provided them.

      Thank You.

      • Vicki

        Welcome ;)

    • Angel Wannabe

      Vicki,”They don’t seem to have any trouble with the government meddling in many other areas of our lives”

      No they don’t have a problem with it, thats because they’re on the GUV dole!

  • steven H

    HI There! …sounds like another U.S. imperial government “OBAMA” overstep or shall we call it STEP OVER! …the Middle Class…America is going BYE BYE because of unnecessary & harmful injury against free market enterprise and free trade capitalism right here at home…It would have been cheaper and easier to just tax the man for his goods & services, rather than force him out of business altogether!

    • Terri S

      He chose to go out of business, he was not forced out. Just like he chose to not follow the law. He was not forced to do that, either. He was shipping unlabeled, raw, unpasteurized milk across state lines. That is illegal and very dangerous for those who drank or used that milk.

  • Karolyn

    A while ago there was a case about a farm in either Oregon or Washington that sold wonderful cheeses. Apparently, the agriculture department or FDA found unwanted mold on one of their cheeses. They had to throw ALL of their cheese away. The cheese is made in a “cave,” and they closed down the whole farm just because one cave needed cleaning. The rest of the farm was excellent. I don’t know whatever became of them, but they had a lot of supporters. I wouldn’t even know where to start to look for info on them.

    • Terri S
      • Karolyn

        Thanks, Terri.

    • http://gravatar.com/lowlywise lowlywise

      This is the first I’ve heard of this, and it is rather outrageous. For years in Washington state I got milk from various farmers. I saved and hoarded 1-gallon pickle jars, took them each week to be refilled the next week. The best milk was from some Jersey cows, lovely and rich. You could warm this milk, inoculate it with yogurt culture and a day later have REAL yogurt. If you separated the milk and cream, then drained the cultured cream part through cheese cloth, you had the most sublime cream cheese this side of Heaven. At that particular farm, the cows were milked by hand, and as I recall it was shut down because of some contamination. Later, a group of us moms took turns going to a regular dairy and getting 10 or 12 gallons at a time for the group. These cows were milked by machine in a regular milking barn, the jars filled from there and carried to a refrigerator where they were kept until purchased and taken home. That transportation was done in coolers augmented with blue ice. Exposure to air may have been all of two minutes, exposure to human hands, zip. Yet the authorities eventually hassled that farmer so much he had to discontinue the practice. I might mention that some of us tried making cheese, but ordinary homes and kitchens are simply not set up for that.

      I now go out of my way to purchase whole milk at an “upscale” (jeez but I detest that term) grocery. This milk and cream has been pasteurized but not homogenized. The cream sits on the top of the bottle, but the milk tastes wonderful even if that is skimmed off. Sometimes it’s only a day or two before this milk starts to turn, but it’s worth it to have even this much of “real” dairy products.

      Homogenization, I hear, is the real culprit as far as our own health goes. Something to do with the fat particles penetrating through the lining of the intestines. Perhaps it could be an analogy to what happens when homogenization, literally making everything the same, is carried too far in living a life.

  • oldbill

    Jesus did not promote breaking the law.

    Raw milk across state lines is against the law. This does not stop the Amish from raising there own cows and drinking the milk. The law does not prevent the Amish from practicing there religion or lifestyle, which they have been given a lot of Federal, State, and Local exceptions, especially to tax laws.

    If we believe the law is unfair/unjust then we should vote the legislators out of office who came up with it and we should insist on Congress getting rid of the FDA.

  • jopa

    Buster: I did check and the judge was appointed by George w Bush.I am sure he was chosen for his decisions on such matters.You folks are the people that voted this ship of fools in and now everyone has to suffer.Right Angel?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Bushy is loonnnnggg goooone jopa__But I guess your like a burned out comic and just can’t come up with new material… wait a while it’ll come to ya…..

  • Deerinwater

    I’m all for small business and less regulation if it means signing a “release”

  • Antonio

    Well Well Well… Hows all that land of the free stuff working out for you?
    “decision by Judge Lawrence F. Stengel that said he could no longer sell his milk outside of Pennsylvania; doing so would subject him to hefty FDA fines”.
    We now have one more person Unemployed, a judge telling people that they cannot sell a NATURAL product and threatening a “hefty” fine. Isn’t that unconstitutional?? Amendment VIII states “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted”.
    Why is that judge threatening hefty fines in direct violation of the constitution??
    Oh that’s an easy one… Because there is no constitution anymore, that’s why.

    • Terri S

      He can no longer sell his milk outside the state because of the way he was selling it. Not because he WAS selling.

      He chose to sell his farm rather than follow the law. He had been warned of not following the law for quite some time. This didn’t happen overnight.

      You cannot ship unpasteurized milk over state lines in containers that are ready for consumers to drink from. Period.

      His containers contained raw, unpasteurized milk, and were not labeled as such. That is a major failure of following the law. This is the farmer’s fault, not the Governments fault. Go on the link I provided and see what actually took place, and why.

      • Researcher: Aspergers Syndrome

        There are millions and millions of little guys that have been hobbled, prosecuted for other crimes, or murdered, simply to shut out any competition whatsoever.

        Just like a mafia boss cannot be caught doing the crimes he does, but can be taken down for tax evasion, this farmer was set up and caught for something unrelated. The aim in both cases was to shut them down somehow, as long as they were shut down.

        The mafia boss may have been harming society and may have not been such a good guy, but the farmer sounds to me like a good guy being victimised and bullied by the big boys that don’t want competition.

        Joseph Mercola and Barry Marshall are a few in the medical field that have suffered, narrowly missing being shut down, but managed to get their message out effectively. Barry Marshall recently received a Nobel Peace Prize for his discovery of Helicobacter Pylori, the bacteria that keeps ulcers open. He very nearly got shut down. Dr Oz has taken Joseph Mercola seriously and hopefully he also gets the same recognition. The mans humble bravery and incredible mind appears to see medical problems in the form of multiple flowcharts which he then fits in together into an understandable form and then he develops a protocol to heal the worst afflictions without turning to medical solutions that cost a fortune and are not as effective, and many that are detrimental to life.

        Someone needs to get the corruption out of the FDA. Like Government and its politicians, they are corporate puppets. You cannot believe a word they say.

  • 2¢ worth…

    FDA needs to be abolished and then re-started with THINKING adults.. Those who can see the blatancy of corruption in underhanded businesses and leave the honest farmers alone to prosper or fail according to the likes and dislikes of their customer base.. If someone croaks from too healthy milk then let their heirs see to the punishment and not a group of mind numbing idiots who closes down legitimate businesses just in case something happens. Their the leaches who need to be eradicated.

  • John Lilleburn’s ghost

    Obviously this is BS anybody should be able to consume whatever they want whenever they want it as long as they take responsibility for the actions and accept that actions entail risk. The FDA has been forced become the enforcement arm of this crap because of the refusal of the american people to take responsibility of their actions or accept that risk is inherrent. People on this board and generally feel that they should be free to do anything but if it goes wrong someone else should pay, a nation of “it wasnt my fault” is to blame for this nothing else. Its not a political right or left wing its a cultural thing

  • ToeTagTunny

    I can agree with you John but the fact is, the Feds (FDA included) take their actions from the minority, never the majority.. Why? Because the majority are people like us who sees this as a take-over of OUR rights according to the few who wants someone to take their responsibilities from them. Someone is at fault, but their so elusive that we can’t pin point who they are and the g’ment views them as ‘The People’.. The feds aren’t devils in disguise (though their actions indicate it) what they are, are so brain dead that their willing to take any order from other brain dead idiots who over-hears a neighbor whine about something thus gives them the idea that we all need to be taken care of (controlled). Their idiots and we’re fools for continually electing them.

  • Freedom Gary

    Hell Norm with your interpertation we need to outlaw the DR’s in this country. Their are 700,000 in the U.S. deaths from DR’s per year 120,000 or 0.171 deaths per DR . U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services 2009. I have not heard of a single death in any of the years since then contributed to RAW milk consumpsion. An other stastic 80,000,000 gun owners in the U.S. Accidental gun deaths 1,500 or .0000188 per gun owner FBI 2009. Not everyone has a gun but everyone has at least one sometimes more than one DR. So lets outlaw DR’s and save almost 1/4 million people / year. I didn’t show the statistics for Lawyers as a lot of people might have to go to their DR and they could take me to court for getting them killed. If you think the FDA has your best intrest at heart I have some water front prop in Arizona I need to sell you. We don’t need anymore intrusions by the government into our lives period, we need less. Ron Paul

  • http://www.ourbest/ineways.com Naddina

    People leave the ignorance of religion out of this it’s a personal Choice.
    This is about FDA Food Police and our Human Rights being violated in a Country that is fast becoming a Hypocritical we are a Free Nation,or at least I thought we were?
    This is wrong this is Big Agriculture,Big Chemical who must be paying the FDA some dirty money to keep their Hormonal, Antibiotic lased GMO lased Poison in Biz.

  • http://yahoo Luke

    Hi American folks, It seems to me from a foreign country looking in that you have lost your civil liberties. The whole raw milk issue is just one example of your rights as human beings to have the freedoms and laws to eat and drink what makes you fit and healthy which in my humble opinion is a basic human right, don’t worry Australia is quickly trying to catch up to America, our government is taking back our civil liberties as corporations tighten there grip on our countries financial system.
    seems that industrial agriculture and the pharmaceutics industry have created the perfect formula for maximum profits IE big agri makes you sick by selling you cheap processed toxic food for max price, then when you get sick big Pharma sells you the panaceas to try to make you better at max cost. So it is in the best interest of the gov to protect there bread winners, by shutting down the raw milk industry makes sense to the gov.
    What to do? write and keep writing to your local politicians and visit them regularly, let them know there are real people out there that want to live in a real country.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002240568975 Deacon John

    What a convoluted article to begin with. And this coming from a devout Christian and one who believes people have the free choice to consume what they wish. The original article has been bent and key items omitted so this reporter is in essence, a liar. The investigation was based on and the charge(s) brought was not about “raw” milk per/se. It is about an Amish farmer who felt he was privileged(?) enough to go to Maryland and subscribe consumers to purchase milk (raw or otherwise) and other dairy goods without permits to operate interstate commerce and the inspections that would result from such. Whatever people want to make of the FDA’s “real” intent is not an acceptable reason to slant things the way this article does. When this is done it only brings up questions of the character that does so. If we can’t support our causes without giving all the details and exaggerating ones we do have, we dishonor ourselves and our cause. Guns drawn??? I read none of this in the “real” news articles about the incidence. Even the news article referenced here states the agents were turned away by the farmer but not before they noticed the containers labeled for shipment to Maryland, Doesn’t sound anything like “I can’t believe in 2012 the federal government is raiding Amish farmers at gunpoint all over a basic human right to eat natural food”…Of course that report is made by a supposed person who doesn’t want to be identified??? Ya, right. Also the farmers reasons/defense don’t hold water. He like big corporations is trying to bend facts to fit his wants. He goes to Maryland, sells a product he manufactures in another state, then delivers it and tries to get the FDA to go along because he is “just the transporter” Ridiculous.

    Causes do not allow us to distort, omit, and exaggerate facts. This article like so many people do not believe in Prayer, Trust, and letting God hold the wheel. They fell it is OK to act Secular and do whatever it takes to make sure their agenda is heard and believed.

  • Then DO SOMETHING about it!!!

    How does it help anything to talk about the mistakes this farmer made by making the choice not to have the “diamond balls” it takes to “pull a Ghandi” or any other kind of civil rights movement? What are you doing to that gives you the credibility to make this assertion??? And even if you have the credibility to point fingers, THAT IS STILL NOT THE WAY TO CHANGE ANYTHING! He’s not the guy to do it. Are you??? Spreading awareness and truth about public health, nutrition and everything else our country has been brainwashed to believe is obviously the first step. But sitting on a high horse and pointing fingers is so unproductive you might as well just stand faceless behind a fence throwing mud at your opponent. YOU ARE HELPING NOTHING by talking trash about other people and their choices! Do something positive and productive about it and I’m sure you will inspire all kinds of apathetic people to get on board with you. Not everyone is built to be the leader we are all OBVIOUSLY waiting for, and tearing apart a farmer who crumbled under the heavy thumb of the mafia FDA is a terrible misdirection of focus and energy.

    I am currently going to lobby in my state to have a ballot added in the upcoming election to make it a requirement in CA to disclose GMO’s on all products in CA. Am I doing this so then I will have the right to tell other people how ignorant they are and what terrible humans and citizens they are? NO. Some people simply still do not know about a lot of these things. SO HELP A FELLOW MAN OUT! I am going to lobby for this ballot to HELP OUR PEOPLE OUT and because I am SICK OF READING THESE POSTS AND WATCHING NOTHING CHANGE!!! Listening to everyone bash eachother is just ridiculous and completely counterproductive. Get off your computer GO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

    • Hareh

      I ‘ve read all prior posts and found most all completely or nearly completely off base! (Do something about it excepted) I do find it very interesting there so few people that could be considered truly healthy. Never the less, even though in the minority, there are many who are and it is these people who are the most credible sources for truth when comes to proper nutrition! Yep, we need some big changes in our county for the health and happiness of our people. I much prefer optimism, so that makes it very tough in today’s USA. After careful study I am a raw milk advocate, it has transformeded my health and body since making the switch. My wife upon observing my success (she never liked or drank milk previously) has accomplishef her weight goal and has been able to reduce and or eliminate prior ailments and medicine intake believed necessary to control same! Now we have other family members and friends coming on board! It is pretty obvious a population finding super health though super food would mean doom and failure for the bulk of our current medical, food, and drug industry. Wow, considered the economic ramifications, very scary indeed! But the real question you should be concerned about for you own well being, your family, and your fellow man is this:. can super foods generate superior health, how can i find out, who should i believe? How can I help? Good luck my friend, we all need it.

  • Stan

    What a load of crap (see all above). People the FDA has a job to do to protect the public from it IDIOT self. Yes fresh milk is something that you should be able to get. SO get up go to the diary farm and pick it up.

  • Researcher: Aspergers Syndrome

    Speaking in layman terms, around age 8, humans stop producing the enzyme that breaks down milk into anything particularly useful to the human body. Even the calcium in milk cannot be processed and the body leaches its own calcium from bone in order to process calcium in the milk. There are no guarantees that more calcium is added to the bones, or even that leached is extracted. Milk is the biggest enhancer of mucus in the body and along with gluten & soy, casein, a protein in milk, is known to exacerbate brain fog (especially in those with Aspergers Syndrome). Basically, only young children should consume milk, preferably straight out of the cow. There are so many pus cells in processed milk nowadays that it is no longer beneficial to humans. However, if adults insist on consuming milk, let it rather be straight out of the cow. This is probably the least damaging milk, although humans should not actually be putting milk into our bodies. The moment it comes into contact with human processing, it becomes a toxic product. It heated to such an extent that it changes the makeup of the original milk. It becomes full of modified fats.

    • Researcher: Aspergers Syndrome

      Correction: There are no guarantees that more calcium is added to the bones, or even that leached is REPLACED.

  • Basil Salah

    It’s a fact that RAW Milk is so much better for you because Pasteurization (High heat) kills all the really good nutrients. that is why they add Vitamins A & D to the Pasteurized products. But, there is also a bigger chance that you may also ingest other live toxins that may harm you from raw milk.
    That is one reason why I am now drinking Soy Milk and more Vegetables. It is unnatural for us to drink cow’s milk, for the cows get most of the good nutrients directly from grazing on grasses. It would be better for us to get those same nutrients directly from vegetables than from cow’s milk!

  • buck rogers

    none of you know what the hell you are talking about. Although raw milk is overall healthy, it carries the risk of harboring disease. Pasteuriztion should be performed and a clean processing environment should be present. Those measures aside, everything else should be done organicaly. The cows should be eating non-gmo non-pesticide-laced vegetarian diets and no medications or vaccines of any kind should be used. Also, Ido afgree with state borders. If you want healthy organic local food. Buy it locally. If it’s not available locally, make it so.

  • Muzz

    http://www.educate-yourself.org is mandatory reading if you wish to know where your government is taking you. Hasten to it, be shocked,gather your countrymen and women
    and fight. How?, stop using the system. Provide for yourselves. Greetings from downunder.

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