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Federal Sting Operation May Have Led To Patrol Agent’s Death

March 23, 2011 by  

Federal sting operation may have led to patrol agent's deathSeveral lawmakers have called for a thorough investigation of Project Gunrunner, a sting operation led by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) that may have led to an American agent's death.

According to CBS News, the goal of Project Gunrunner was to track down leaders of Mexican drug cartels by allowing illegal gun trafficking across the border. Officials hoped that by following the sale of military weapons, they would identify some of the high-level members of these criminal organizations.

The news provider discovered that one of those guns may have been responsible for the death of United States Border Control Agent Brian Terry, who was shot by illegal immigrants in December 2010. The serial numbers on the two assault rifles at the scene matched two rifles that the ATF had watched a straw buyer purchase the year before.

Although the Justice Department, which oversees ATF, claims that it has never knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to suspected gunrunners, several Congressmen are searching for more answers. Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) wants to know the specifics behind Project Gunrunner, and who in the Federal government was behind it.

"I'm still asking questions and we're getting the runaround from the Justice Department," Grassley told the news provider. "They're stonewalling. And the longer the wait, the more they fight, the more egg that they're going to have on their face."

Alan Gottlieb, the chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said that President Barack Obama's op-ed about gun control in the March 13 edition of the Arizona Daily Star was an effort to deflect attention away from the growing controversy surrounding Project Gunrunner.

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  • Mikey V.

    This was no “sting” operation. This was an attempt to paint a nice frame and hang it around the neck of legitimate domestic legal gun sales by showing all these smuggled guns going south. Why, we’ll just have to have more gun control, don’t-ya-know. Don’t fall for the deception. Put nothing past the Marxist in chief and his minions. This was a plot to advance further infringement on the Second Amendment.

    • Sprock

      Of course, immediately this tragedy translates into THE BIG GOVERNMENT is after all my guns. Quick, run out to Walmart and buy all the ammo on the shelf. Then tonight you can sneak out in the dark and bury it in your “Secret Place”. Sheesh!!!!

      As I recall it was you gun loving conservative types that were complaining very loudly about the Hordes of Illegals that were taking over Arizona and Texas and the Federal Gov. better do something. This was an attempt to do just that.

      I wish the good Senator was that interested in Answers before 4,000 + soldiers were killed.

      “I’m still asking questions and we’re getting the runaround from the Justice Department,” Grassley told the news provider. “They’re stonewalling. And the longer the wait, the more they fight, the more egg that they’re going to have on their face.”

      • Eric

        Hey Sprock,How exactly again does letting drug cartels buy and illegally transport weapons into old mexico help curb our huge illegal alien problem ? By the way,some of those were automatic weapons which average citizens cannot purchase legally.

        • Sprock

          I said it was an attempt, I didn’t say it was a good one. How would you suggest they try to track the movement of guns? While I would rather they didn’t send full Auto, I’m sure that was what they were requesting.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Sprock,
            Now HOW does the running of automatic or ANY guns across the southern border translate into trying to stem the tide of illegals we have coming into this country???? I think you are trying to read between three different lines at the same time….IN GREEK!!! this was nothing but an attempt to prove what the idiot mex pres says about arms coming from gun sales here when they can’t even be sold here!! Quit trying to see thorobreds where there is nothing but NAGGS!!!

          • JC

            They don’t need to track the movement of guns. They need to lock down the border. The whole thing is a ruse and a poorly constructed one at that.

      • Bear

        Micky V is correct in his assesment of the situation. The Feds started yelling over a year ago about how too many guns were going into Mexico from the U.S.A. and getting into the hands of drug dealers. They were reporting statistics that could have only come from someone standing at the border counting them as they went across. We, with a brain in our heads, smelled the rat long before we saw him. Now, we find out that the story was true. There were huge amounts of guns going into Mexico……over 3,000 in fact, but, they were being sent there through the direction of our own B.A.T.F.. Now, how can you not see what is going on here? This is what the government does. They create a problem in order to get more control over our lives. This operation was purely designed to confirm the problem that they wanted to push down our throats. There was never a “sting” operation here. You don’t send 3,000 guns into a country like Mexico and then be able to track them. You send them to create a huge problem that you can later blame on the good, honest law abiding citizens of America in an attempt to get fools to believe it. That’s exactly where you come in, Sprock, and you bought it. You’ve got to be smart enough and have studied enough history of third world countries to know that in every case where some petty dictator wanted to control the people, the first thing he did was dis arm them. Any time a people have submitted to tyranny, it began with giving up the ABILITY to resist. Start thinking for yourself and try using a bit of deductive reasoning when you do.

      • newspooner

        Governments create wars. If all the governments in the world were only 10% as large as they are now, just think how little chance there would be for any wars. The way to reduce the number of Americans killed in wars is simply to reduce the size of government. It is sad to see so many people who are truly against the horrors of war be advocates of more and more expansion of government. And domestically, the worst possible situation would be if only the government could have guns.

        • Bear

          Good points. The rest of the story is all about, how can a new world order come about if a nation or a group of nations don’t take the initiative to dictate who will be in power in these smaller countries. Right now, each of these “little” wars is more about the United Nations telling the populations of these countries that they will submit to the will of the U.N.. The people and the militaries of these smaller countries will ultimately be the ones coming after us once the U.N decides WE need to whipped into line and believe me, an army of Muslim soldiers will have no problem in killing, raping and pillaging us and our homes. Add to all that the fact that in an alrady bottomed out ecomomy, this administration believes we can afford another war. Time to clean the White House.

      • 45caliber

        Sprock:

        This was an attempt to get rid of the illegals? How? Even they admit that it was an attempt to locate some senior gang leaders – which has nothing to do with illegals. You need to get your facts straight.

        • Sprock

          45Caliber,
          No, this operation wasn’t specifically targeted at relieving the illegal alien population. My point was there was a constant stream of Lies coming out of the region that illegals were streaming across the border and committing atrocities. Killing, robbing, and raping US citizens, most of the time armed. The Gov. of Arizona went so far as to state that they were finding headless corpses in the Arizona dessert obviously murdered by Illegals. Funny thing was there wasn’t one police agency, one medical examiner, or hospital that verified the existence of a headless corpse being brought to them or their attention. The FBI statistics for the previous 3 – 5 years show violent crimes in the area have gone down. This story is being used the same as the others that I mentioned to gin up hysteria to increase the FEAR that the Government is to be feared. This hysteria is then used to promote the panic that the Black Helicopters are going to swoop in and take all your guns.

          • Dan az

            Hey sproket
            Do you ever research any thing you say or do you just run off at the mouth with every thing that has no proof?Here is a couple of sites for you to read.
            http://soitgoesintexas.blogspot.com/2010/10/headless-body-case-in-arizona.html
            http://www.kpho.com/news/25531660/detail.html

          • Cawmun Cents

            So Sprock…you dont know why there is a hush order on the border?It is because it would threaten the voting block that Balack Omamba needs to guarantee his re-election.You see,nobody in Washington cares about the illegals dying in the desert or the drug cartels murdering folks on our side of the line.In Washington,they only care about that which perpetuates their holding office.Unless of course it happens to be a question of interpretation of the Constitution.Then you have to come up with a situation that is out if control,in order to move the mountains,(necessarily),to expedite the new agenda.That which is to effectively mandate the disarming of the American citizenry.How can you create an environment of acceptence for Democratic Socialism,if the citizens are well armed?The short anwer is that you cannot.So the second amendment of the Constitution must therefore be re-assesed,re-interpreted,re-written to substantiate further politicization.And if by and through doing this,you can achieve clemency for the illegals who reside here currently,then you have now gotten yourself a 20 million person voting block.Nifty huh?You see the citizens of this other nation(who deserve amnesty,right?)never had the rights to own firearms so they wont miss it much.But they will obtain the right to vote for a Democrat,right?You all may think I am crazy for making such allegations,but if I do not say them publicly,who will?Not exactly what you would call pilitcally correct is it?

      • http://WeThePeople Jean

        Oh why don’t you just put on your t-shirt light your little candels then climb on your tricycle and do wheelies some where else.

        • Sprock

          Jean,
          How masculine of you.

      • s c

        S, I’m being polite when I say you are utterly clueless. You’re comparing apples and oranges and you’re doing a miserable job in the process. Stop the hordes, yes. However, the idea that those hordes are ‘bringing in weapons’ or they’re taking weapons ‘back to Mexico’ (or wherever) is a separate issue.
        Go back to school. Take remedial reading (again). Pass the course. Grow up, and learn to think on your own. S, your comments are predictable and are straight out of the progressive’s playbook. At least you didn’t dare say that GB is to blame for everything in the world since 1900, but you were probably thinking about saying it. Typical dystopian C R A P.

        • Sprock

          SC,
          Ok , so you believe all the BS stories coming out of the last Arizona Gov. race about all the crimes perpetrated by Illegals but you think they did them unarmed? As long as we’re in this “Make Believe” world I guess anything is possible. I’ll bet you still think Sadam had Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Oil is going to pay for the War in Iraq.

          • JC

            ICE, the Border patrol and local law enforcement have been rendered toothless and inneffective by Federal Policy. And now we find them running guns to drug cartels…but we should believe Sprock, not Jan Brewer who is genuinely concerned for the sovereignty and safety of her State…I don’t think so.
            And yes, Americans have been raped, robbed and murdered on American soil by illegal aliens who got in while we were deliberately looking the other way.

      • Cawmun Cents

        No it translates into idiots defending idiocy.By which a clear example just came bursting from you Sprock.Let me get this straight…the gubment is going to do the very thing by which they intend to threaten the rights of every American,so that they can prove its happening?If that doesnt ring a bell in your head then your brain is missing.

    • Eddie47d

      Mikey; “legal domestic gun sales”? That can sometimes be an oxymoron with some weapons dealers! The ATF goofed on this one and could be just as guilty as the few rouge gun shops and gun shows that are out there. Both sides need to stop their stupids from messing things up.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        eddie,
        how do you make the leap from illegal, fully automatic, not permitted to own let alone sell, to the legal sale of arms??? you must have been on the track team in high school as that was one hell of a broad jump!!!

      • Cawmun Cents

        too late…you already elected Balack Omamba.This pertains to the “both sides need to keep their stupids from messing up”,remark.

      • Dan az

        Eddiee
        Who do you think the atf works for yep big sis her self.can you say she might be trying to do what she couldnt do as gov.that would be disarm us before they open the rest of the border.

      • JC

        Eddie47d says:
        March 23, 2011 at 11:44 am
        Mikey; “legal domestic gun sales”? That can sometimes be an oxymoron with some weapons dealers! The ATF goofed on this one and could be just as guilty as the few rouge gun shops and gun shows that are out there. Both sides need to stop their stupids from messing things up.

        ————————————————————-

        The ATF “goofed”?
        Actually they were engaged in subversive and criminal activity,
        with direction from the Feds…time to clean house.

    • 45caliber

      Mikey:

      And they got their hand caught in their own trap.

    • Sprock

      Joe H’
      The first 5 or 6 articles that were written before mine ( check the post times) were all slanted towards this being a plot to enforce rigid gun laws. Every time I’ve been on this board ANY discussion of guns immediately descends into yet another diatribe on how Pres. Obama is out to take our guns. It is so predictable and so lame. I know people who do exactly what I described in the first part of my response. These are ardent NRA member, spew the same racist claptrap about Pres. Obama I’ve seen on these discussions, and couldn’t tell you if their life depended on it who their Congressman or Senators are. The propaganda is working and it is so sad.

      By the Way : Apparently 45 Cal believes the weapons aren’t what the article claims. If he is right, you guys fell for it again.

      45caliber says:
      March 23, 2011 at 1:09 pm

      ASSAULT RIFLES??????

      Take a good look at the two in the picture. The top one is a .22 caliber rifle – and the military, to my knowledge, has NEVER used a .22 rifle for anything! At most it is a look-alike. The other, unless I’m very mistaken is a semi-automatic rifle – which is ALSO NOT an assault rifle!

      • newspooner

        It seeems that you actually fail to understand that Obama, for whatever reason, truly wants to have unlimited government. He focuses all moral jugdgements on the basis of what he feels is moral and correct for various classes, not individuals. This shows either a complete lack of understanding of liberty and moral compass, or downright evilness. Take your pick. The quickest proof to this is simply the aspect of Obamacare that would force individuals to purchase something (health insurance) whether they want it or not. That is totally contrary to the fundamental basis of freedom.

      • JC

        racist…NRA…
        YOU are the racist bigot sir.
        You obviously don’t like white people or gun owners.
        The NRA is an excellent organization who’s agenda is to protect our second amendment rights.
        Which is a lot more American than the Kenyan or the Globalist Hillary with her UN Gun Grabbing policies that she has NO Authority to implement against the people of the USA.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Sprock you have tripped over your apparent lack of knowledge again.The two weapons shown are of German design. Both used by special forces and regualr army all over the world.Including our military.These weapons which you have clearly failed to identify were obvious to me nearly instantaneously.The top weapon in the photo is an Heckelr and Koch MP5 submachinegun,9mm,withh the selector switch on the chamber side(not shown).The next down is the brother of the first the H and K 91,7.62 x .51 NATO.,also having a fully automatic selector switch on the chamber side not shown.You are no student of firearms or you would have recognized these assault weapons immediately.So what is your commentary worth?Little if any,as you seem to be able to invent non-truths and establish them as fact in your own mind.Let me say this…there are many individuals on this thread which portray themselves as who they are not.This is mis-leading to those who ascertain that they are getting worthwhile knowledge and/or opine from those with the intention of falsifying what they clearly have no idea of.Yeah….a .22 and a .223….what a maroon.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Incidentally,you are as wrong as 45.caliber was about the weapons in question if you doubt that the enemy is your own Goverment(at least the one that holds power now) when it pertains to re-interpreting the Constitution in a way that will disarm the American public.Our new commander in chief wants to make international law,American law,in hopes that we will all lay down our arms and capitulate like good little worldly citizens.Good luck with that….you liberal pukes.

        • JeffH

          Cawmun Cents, you nailed it. The top gun is the HK MP5 9mm and the bottom gun is the HK-91 chambered in 7.62×51 (.308 NATO). Both rifles are classified by the Feds as “assault” rifles.

          Sprock’s comments on them remind me of Diane Feinstein holding up an SKS and calling it an AK-47 during her assault on the SKS.

      • Bear

        Cawmun cents is correct. The top is a MP5 9mm and the bottom is a HK91 7.62×51. Both are capable of dealing death. The HK91 is hard to find today and if you find one that is not a knock off, it will cost you over two grand. I know, I have one. These types of guns are NOT typical to the every day cartel gang members. They will use AK’s or SKS types and occasionally AR’s. Most all of them will have some kind of handgun and it will NOT be something like a Colt Gold Cup Match. It will be something much less expensive unless the member is a higher up in the cartel chain of command.

        Anyhow, Sprock, this isn’t the first time you’ve submitted information that is less than accurate. You need to know what it is you are talking about in order to be credible. At this point, your posts have little credibility. Try to redeem yourself.

        • Cawmun Cents

          I must make an correction on Sprocks behalf gentlemen,It was originally(45.Caliber)who asserted that the firearms in question were knock-offs,and not Sprock.But Sprock asserts that the Government agencies in question,are not to be feared.Partially true,if you are a well groomed tactician,but if you are involved with the sale and trade of weaponry,then to a certain extent,you must be wary of them.The impetus of the whole forgotten irony is that someone…er uh(Janet Napolitano)but you didnt hear that from me,(why is it that the name Janet rings a bell in my mind?)feels that to obtain a writ explaining the evils of assault type weapons,you must first connect them to evil cartels and evil gun-runners.This of course resulted in the death of one of her own.A mistake I might add that will necessitate a scapegoat.The scapegoat in question is you and me,the law abiding American firearm owner.That is what Sprock fails to comprehend.That is where he is woefully under-estimating the tyranny involved.

      • James

        Time to clear the air. The military dose use 22 cal rifles (mostly in training) the second weapon is a MP5 Only the full auto has the short barrel (even if it was semi auto it is illegal to own a rifle with a barrel shorter than 18in. the third weapon is clearly a German G3 and is used by many Countries around the world as their main battle rifle.

        • JeffH

          James, there’s only two weapons in the picture! Cawmun cents pegged both of them, HK-MP5 and MP91.

    • FRANK ZAPPA

      Finally someone gets it, this is BIG GOVERNMENT AT WORK, this is not a sting, it is a way or an excuse to grab your guns, this is about the Worthless UNITED NATIONS, and Chairman Hillary Clintong. As we all know we have a gutless, no count, slime ball, Human Excrement for a President, not my President but someones I am sure. Anyone who follows the news Knows full well that the Gubament is making any and all efforts to hang anything concerning what happening in Arizona on the law abiding American citizens making us look like we are complicit in the “Murder Of Innocent Mexicans.” That Ain’t all, there are women in Burka’s in Fresno purchasing Pre-Paid cell phones including the central valley sending them to Canada and from there to Afghanistan / Middle East addresses. When the FBI was notified they were only “Mildly Interested.” That’s right folks all of America has been sold out. IF I WERE YOU I WOULD NOT BE GIVING UP YOUR GUNS TOO SOON. YOU MAY HAVE TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY AND OR LOVED ONES.

  • JoMama

    WHY do have these low-life, power abusing, finger pointing, money grubbing, job killing, murdering, twisted, insane, anti-American, un-patriotic, Islamic worshiping, illegal alien, crazy & lawbreaking (Islamic worshiping, illegal alien, crazy & lawbreaking criminal is for Obama – ah, hell, it all fits him to a tee!) criminals in our government to “protect us”????????

    What were some of these people thinking when they voted Barack Hussain Obama into the Oval office to be our president of the United States?????

    If I said it once – I’ve said it amillion times – we’re screwed!!

    • 45caliber

      Agreed.

  • Glenn

    Well said Mikey !

  • Glenn

    Wow , just missed yours JoMama ……I couldn’t agree more …..I think it’s time the “Real Americans ” stand up and say No more ! It is amazing to me to watch our Gov. at work doing everything but what their real Job is ….to protect our liberty and freedom and to keep foreign despots and their followers in their place…and in my opinion Barrack is no American !

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Glenn… You, JoMama, and Mikey all have made excellent points! Our government is not doing the job they are taking our tax dollars for. Maybe we should ask for a ban on government jaunts here, there, and everywhere they have a whim to go. If we could keep our president and his family in Washington, maybe some work could be done!

      • s c

        Robin, read Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution. Then, compare what it says with what’s being done by Uncle Scam (and what’s NOT being done).
        A child can understand what is so wrong with Washington and our non-leaders. Anybody who believes that Herr Obummer is a leader or that his prosty administration has a chance to be ‘good’ for America is someone who belongs in a rubber room guzzling prozac cocktails.

      • Cawmun Cents

        He is an union organizer,perhaps he needs to make a membership drive wherever there is a golf course.

  • momplayer

    I use to believe that this country was being invaded and being taken over without a shot being fired. Never in my wildest dream did I ever consider that our government would get tired of waiting for the illegals to take over and furnish them guns to help speed up the process.Whatever happened behind the scenes Az seems to have backed-off the illegal immigration issues. You hear nothing about it anymore,not even Sheriff Joe has been in the news.Now their finding illegals dressed in Marine uniforms coming across the border. What did big government threaten to do make these states surrender?

  • tim

    The whole point of this story is that this operation did lead to agent terry’s death, because the serial number on the gun that killed him was one of the guns that the BATF let thru. This whole thing was a gov’t setup to show american guns in mexico. Obama and eric holder tried before saying that serial numbers showed american guns in mexica. When the truth was it was less than a percent of the guns found. The report was bogus, so this time thier sending guns down there to plant them and raise the numbers.. Thank god for honest agents who blew the whistle on these guys!!!!!!!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      tim,
      they had realreason to be honest. the next one killed by a screw-up like this could very well be THEM!!!

  • Crashaxe

    It’s my understanding that agents told there superiors that this was a bad idea and they let this deal go down anyway. The person or persons that made this decision need to be held responsible and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    • 45caliber

      Further, several of the dealers were against this idea too. Now that the story is coming out, who wants to bet on when the ATF group starts blaming the dealers for selling the guns?

    • Cawmun Cents

      Ha ha ha,yeah well a scapegoat anyways right?The real deal has already been swept under the carpet.

  • 45caliber

    ASSAULT RIFLES??????

    Take a good look at the two in the picture. The top one is a .22 caliber rifle – and the military, to my knowledge, has NEVER used a .22 rifle for anything! At most it is a look-alike. The other, unless I’m very mistaken is a semi-automatic rifle – which is ALSO NOT an assault rifle!

    I think whoever wrote this article needs to research before writing. Further, it is very easy to tell the difference in the bullets of these two weapons even if mashed up. The size of the bullets are different (even though they are about the same diameter) and the shape is different. Further, the .223 rifle bullets generally have a heavy metal jacket where the .22 bullet seldom has a good jacket.

    Any forensics expert can tell the difference with very little trouble at all!

    • Cawmun Cents

      Both are HK PRODUCTS…mP5 HK 91…..TO THE GUN ENTHUSIAST NAMED 45.CALIBER

      • Cawmun Cents

        The f top is 9mm,the next is 7.62 nato

    • Cawmun Cents

      45.caliber…..do your homework,I recognized these weapons immediately.Let me be more specific,the H and K rifles you are looking at in the photos are optionally full auto.One (top) is the H and K MP5,which is a 9mm.The bottom rifle is the H and K 91,which is 7.62 x .51 mm.Both of these weapons are capable of firing full auto.Notice that the chamber side of these weapons are not shown,probably to keep the wrong eyes from seeing the location of the selector switch.These are fine weapons of a superior design,not 22. or.223,but real assault weapons.Made by the Germans,these weapons would be a great additon to anyones collection.-thank you

  • http://com i41

    What in the hell is any one worring about guns going to Mexico? It is the guns coming into the USA from Mexico, I arrested a wet back male for threating to kill his teenage girl friend and family. He had on him a gun that had been brought in from Hungry by a ship less thana month before in Venzula. His arrest was less than 200 miles from the Canadian border, he also had 5 “families” from Tex. up north to Mt. All on welfare and assistance and his 13 yr old son said their were 2 families were still in Mexico, and this was in 1990. So this scam was just another fine beltway snafu by the educated dumb azzes of this country

  • s c

    There are TWO main sources at fault in this circus. First, there’s the Pretender-In-Chief. Second, there’s Eric Holder. They take pride in their codependent behavior, and we’re supposed to sit back, smile and hope that the mess will solve itslf.
    Let me guess. Both Herr Obummer and Holder have ‘no idea’ who in the federal circus could be at fault. Somehow, this happened by itself [no one said it was OK, there's no paper trail, and no one has stepped forward to admit blame]. Interesting, eh?
    Maybe they think this is “normal,” and it’s something akin to a no-fault traffic accident.
    HST, who could be said to have had some common sense, said ‘the buck stops here.’ With Herr Obummer, the new motto is ‘the buck starts here – and I’m NEVER at fault.’
    Forget Holder (he’s still trying to understand what was so wrong about freeing Puerto Rican terrorists for Bubba Clinton). Between the two of them, I doubt if they know enough to come in out of the rain. We’ll get more leadership from the captain of the Titanic and Daffy Duck than that duo, folks.

  • Dan az

    SC
    I feel that because home land is in charge it was big sis doing the dirty deed.I wouldnt put it passed her she has been trying to disarm us the whole time she was guv.Im sure butter butt had her plan it and she jumped at it like a sly on sh-t.

  • http://com i41

    Since all democraps bow to the UN dictators and the passed mandates and have their sticky fingers on this screw up. Hillary and Onumnutts want to abide by all of this UN crap, total gun control, banned private land ownership, total UN law enforcement control, and a total UN Sectary Dictator run leadership over the world. Nobody should be surprised with gender jumpimg crossbred and a Wellsly lesbo mother.

  • ONTIME

    You can bet the smug USAG Holder is going to be diverting evidence to obstruct justice on this one…his job is to stop the bullets from reaching his boss at any cost.

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